| 00:02:48 | * | LinusN forgot to log off irc when he left |
| 00:03:12 | amiconn | hi LinusN |
| 00:03:19 | LinusN | hi |
| 00:03:43 | [IDC]Dragon | Hi there |
| 00:03:53 | Tang | hi Linus |
| 00:04:54 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN, do you mind -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections for th iriver bootloader? |
| 00:07:01 | * | rasher updates ircstats |
| 00:07:06 | * | [IDC]Dragon is sleepy + says goodnight |
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| 00:17:09 | amiconn | LinusN: Did you read about my findings of unused functions? |
| 00:17:25 | LinusN | no |
| 00:17:58 | amiconn | I did a compile with splitting functions and data into separate sections, and then linked with garbage collection |
| 00:18:16 | amiconn | For recorder v1, there are 17 unused functions and 2 unused variables |
| 00:18:31 | amiconn | (and I found a bug while doing that) |
| 00:19:11 | LinusN | the ata_device variable? |
| 00:19:16 | amiconn | yup |
| 00:19:39 | amiconn | The garbage-collected version crashed on 'View HW info' because of that |
| 00:20:02 | amiconn | CPUAdrEr from trying to access the unaligned char as an int |
| 00:21:04 | odd | holy crap: http://gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=426&row=0 |
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| 00:31:50 | LinusN | nite all |
| 00:32:06 | MoosCamaro | good night |
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| 00:36:21 | Tang | bye all |
| 00:36:22 | Tang | :) |
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| 00:59:34 | odd | http://action.eff.org/site/Advocacy?id=115 |
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| 01:11:48 | * | HCl isn't from usa so can't help, unfortunately. |
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| 02:29:49 | * | Bagder does Makefile cleanups |
| 02:30:03 | HCl | any news XShocK ? |
| 02:30:10 | * | HCl should work on a gui for the searchengine |
| 02:30:17 | HCl | i'll prolly finish it tomorrow. |
| 02:46:21 | * | amiconn found more unused code... |
| 02:47:58 | * | Bagder scratches head |
| 02:49:39 | amiconn | There's an ugly clash as well - int debug_fm_detection gets defined twice |
| 02:49:46 | Bagder | ugha |
| 02:49:58 | amiconn | Only the linker garbage collector will find that |
| 02:50:32 | amiconn | There's a problem - one definition is in firmware/tuner_samsung.c, the other in apps/recorder/radio.c |
| 02:50:48 | amiconn | Best solution is to completely remove it, imho |
| 02:50:58 | Bagder | yes |
| 02:51:22 | Bagder | since the firmware one is in a lib, the apps one would override it on link, won't it? |
| 02:51:41 | amiconn | Hmm, then the debug menu option doesn't make much sense any more |
| 02:52:07 | amiconn | The problem is that this is an apps-firmware cross dependency |
| 02:52:30 | HCl | does anyone know how i can make vim autoindent code with 4 spaces rather than 8 ? |
| 02:52:37 | amiconn | if I remove it from radio.c, then compiling for a target with a philips tuner only would fail |
| 02:52:59 | amiconn | HCl: Sorry, no vim here |
| 02:53:06 | Bagder | no vim here either |
| 02:54:46 | amiconn | Bagder: I think you're right about the override on link, but when I link with −−gc-sections, linking fails |
| 02:54:51 | rasher | HCl: hang on.. |
| 02:55:09 | Bagder | amiconn: yes, and it is still not very nice |
| 02:55:18 | Bagder | unless intended |
| 02:55:36 | Bagder | but it it was intended, it should've been mentioned |
| 02:55:53 | amiconn | Yup. The question is whether the fm debug item should stay |
| 02:56:05 | amiconn | FM is not yet working on iriver... |
| 02:56:08 | Bagder | no opinion from me really |
| 02:56:58 | HCl | amiconn: australianperson was working on that recently. |
| 02:57:08 | rasher | set ts=4 |
| 02:57:09 | rasher | set expandtab |
| 02:57:12 | rasher | is what I have |
| 02:57:23 | amiconn | HCl: I know... austriancoder btw |
| 02:58:56 | HCl | yea |
| 02:59:04 | HCl | rasher: odd, i have that, i think... |
| 02:59:09 | amiconn | The point is that the debug menu item displays 2 things. (1) whether fm hardware was detected and (2) a value which is meant for debugging (1), but only has a meaning for the samsung tuner chip |
| 02:59:47 | HCl | ah well.. |
| 02:59:48 | amiconn | I will remove (2), but don't know whether I should leave (1) in place |
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| 03:00:10 | HCl | i think austriancoder had 1 working on iriver |
| 03:00:23 | amiconn | ..and (2) displayed as 0, yes |
| 03:00:51 | rasher | HCl: hrm, I also have (on another computer) sts=4 |
| 03:00:58 | rasher | not sure what that does :-\ |
| 03:01:03 | amiconn | (that's correct, as it has no meaning for the philips tuner) |
| 03:03:11 | HCl | maybe its short for set..? |
| 03:03:16 | HCl | i'll try to add that. |
| 03:03:51 | HCl | doesn't work.. |
| 03:03:53 | rasher | no, set sts=4 |
| 03:03:54 | HCl | something with tags |
| 03:03:59 | HCl | oh |
| 03:03:59 | HCl | ok |
| 03:04:18 | HCl | nope :/ still 8... |
| 03:04:23 | HCl | whenever i do a { and press enter |
| 03:04:26 | HCl | it'll add 8 spaces |
| 03:04:28 | HCl | rather than 4... |
| 03:04:46 | rasher | ah yes.. |
| 03:04:48 | rasher | bugger, that |
| 03:04:57 | rasher | I think that's mandated by the syntax file or something |
| 03:04:58 | * | HCl asks in vim |
| 03:05:04 | HCl | #vim |
| 03:05:04 | HCl | i mean |
| 03:07:03 | HCl | 03:02 < strull> HCl: :he 'sw |
| 03:07:13 | rasher | o.O |
| 03:07:29 | Bagder | and people say emacs is strange ;-) |
| 03:07:31 | rasher | ah |
| 03:07:57 | HCl | ah. |
| 03:08:02 | HCl | Bagder: my thoughts exactly |
| 03:08:03 | HCl | :P |
| 03:08:05 | HCl | apparently |
| 03:08:08 | HCl | its set sw=4 |
| 03:08:10 | * | HCl goes to try |
| 03:08:27 | rasher | he might as well have said ":help shiftwidth" |
| 03:08:33 | rasher | lazy bugger |
| 03:08:47 | HCl | 'shiftwidth' 'sw' number (default 8) |
| 03:08:47 | HCl | local to buffer |
| 03:08:47 | HCl | Number of spaces to use for each step of (auto)indent. Used for |
| 03:08:47 | HCl | |'cindent'|, |>>|, |<<|, etc. |
| 03:08:50 | HCl | yay, much better. |
| 03:09:12 | rasher | yes indeed |
| 03:09:26 | Bagder | weird... |
| 03:09:42 | Bagder | crt0.o is not found in librockbox.a |
| 03:09:51 | rasher | oh, I actually had shiftwidth in one of my .vimrcs |
| 03:09:55 | Bagder | it is simply picked from the file with that name |
| 03:10:18 | Bagder | even thought it _is_ in the lib |
| 03:11:13 | Bagder | I'm making the build put the objects in a dir hierarchy |
| 03:11:35 | rasher | HCl: "filetype indent on" is also nice |
| 03:13:51 | Bagder | ...and it even seems to work |
| 03:15:37 | XShocK | HCl: i am sorry. wasn't here |
| 03:15:47 | XShocK | i Actually didn't do anything at all |
| 03:16:08 | rasher | Bagder: digest is weirded out again btw :-\ |
| 03:16:21 | rasher | or rather, hasn't been built.. did you remove it from the automaticness? |
| 03:16:54 | Bagder | no... |
| 03:17:24 | rasher | uh.. |
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| 03:30:13 | HCl | fonts are drawn downwards from the xy you put in putsxy, right? |
| 03:34:27 | Bagder | yes, afair |
| 03:37:38 | HCl | yup, my word wrapping code works fine. |
| 03:37:41 | HCl | gnight. |
| 03:37:57 | * | HCl will continue with it tomorrow to create a very crude search query editor |
| 03:38:32 | rasher | more word wrapping code o.O |
| 03:38:41 | rasher | HCl: did you look at the viewer plugin? |
| 03:38:45 | HCl | nope. |
| 03:38:46 | rasher | -patch |
| 03:38:56 | rasher | There's wrodwrapping as well |
| 03:39:06 | HCl | i need an implementation that can tell me exactly where a word is located on the screen |
| 03:39:17 | HCl | i sort of assumed there wouldn't be an implementation that allows that yet. |
| 03:39:28 | rasher | ah, probably correct |
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| 03:39:45 | HCl | gnight |
| 03:45:06 | amiconn | Meh, I see red :( |
| 03:45:56 | HCl | it wasn't meh |
| 03:46:02 | amiconn | The config variables are really a bit messy :( |
| 03:46:03 | * | HCl rolls over and falls asleep |
| 03:46:11 | amiconn | HCl: No, it was me :( |
| 03:46:46 | amiconn | Wth is HAVE_CHARGING undefined for the simulators? |
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| 04:05:08 | amiconn | The changelogs in the cvs compile status table are somewhat off... |
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| 05:00:53 | kaltek | i have a nforce board and my jukebox isnt reconized |
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| 12:40:55 | MoosCamaro | Hey all |
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| 13:26:15 | Chamois | austriancoder : news about fm radio and remote control ? |
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| 13:33:27 | ashridah | you scared him! |
| 13:34:37 | Chamois | i am sorry |
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| 14:32:42 | dwihno | Anyone know what's causing the "cooking" effect of mp3s? |
| 14:33:03 | dwihno | or whatever that decook utilities do |
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| 14:59:35 | Aditya | hello |
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| 15:00:59 | MoosCamaro | hi |
| 15:03:38 | Aditya | So I found this like 2 days ago.. now I am all crazy about learning about firmware :P |
| 15:07:58 | Aditya | any of ou guys know some good books for low level stuff? |
| 15:22:58 | ashridah | a good deal of rockbox isn't really all that low level. |
| 15:23:22 | ashridah | it's often just a matter of sticking to the minimal c library implementation rockbox provides |
| 15:24:09 | DMJC | heh pity there's no magical set workign to 1 |
| 15:24:19 | Slasheri | Hmm, I am still wondering why a sleep call in debug_menu.c (the part that plays the sample.wav in while loop) crashes rockbox kernel but yeild will not. |
| 15:24:42 | ashridah | DMJC: haha. a 'do_what_i_mean() function? :) |
| 15:24:56 | DMJC | think windows registry key |
| 15:25:13 | DMJC | crashes: value=0 |
| 15:25:43 | ashridah | DMJC: that would imply that rockbox was in any way finished, just disabled. |
| 15:25:46 | DMJC | or in rockbox's case... just playback my damn files = 1 |
| 15:25:56 | DMJC | heh |
| 15:26:36 | ashridah | of course, unless you'd like to take over from where Linus left off, learn coldfire assembly, and start working on the complicated task of buffer management and watermarking... |
| 15:26:46 | DMJC | heh |
| 15:27:00 | DMJC | I'm working on the trident dri 3d gfx driver for linux/X |
| 15:27:16 | DMJC | I think that'll keep me busy enough for a while |
| 15:28:57 | Aditya | whoa |
| 15:29:08 | Aditya | the 2 mins I am away, people start talking |
| 15:29:26 | Aditya | so rockbox has some sort of "api" already? |
| 15:29:32 | DMJC | if I work on rockbox, at best I get some features going |
| 15:29:41 | DMJC | if I get my laptop's videocard doing 3d.. |
| 15:29:47 | DMJC | well.. hehehe |
| 15:30:49 | Aditya | I am just waiting for my higher level engineering courses |
| 15:31:02 | Aditya | I am pretty good on the software side, just need to get my hardware side up to speed |
| 15:31:27 | | Part amiconn |
| 15:32:01 | DMJC | they made me learn java at uni |
| 15:32:10 | DMJC | no C |
| 15:32:18 | DMJC | of all the useless courses.. |
| 15:32:24 | ashridah | Aditya: yes. it's got a full api, including the ability to load modules at runtime. |
| 15:32:31 | DMJC | would've been better off enrolling in engineering |
| 15:32:45 | ashridah | it's fairly extensive, it just doesn't have much in the way of a cohesive playback system, since the original platforms did hardware decoding |
| 15:33:32 | Aditya | ah |
| 15:33:37 | ashridah | DMJC: engineering tends to focus on c++ and java, i find. computer science tends towards C (plus some other object oriented language, usually) |
| 15:33:50 | DMJC | computing science did java here |
| 15:34:00 | DMJC | and that's why UNISA sucks |
| 15:34:03 | Aditya | cause yeah.. I was reading some of the source files.. and the all had random calls to functions like backlit_display_do_something() |
| 15:34:05 | DMJC | same with adelaide |
| 15:34:08 | ashridah | it started off with java here, but adds C the next year. |
| 15:34:14 | Aditya | well.. |
| 15:34:18 | Aditya | CS is not about language |
| 15:34:58 | Aditya | CS at my school starts with JAVA to get total newbies used to programming.. then they go to C, then assembly, pascal and w/e else there is. Some courses actually use multiple languages |
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| 15:35:16 | DMJC | which school? |
| 15:35:20 | Aditya | but I am a Comp Engineering major.. so looking forward to the engineering part |
| 15:35:31 | Aditya | university of maryland,college park |
| 15:35:36 | DMJC | k |
| 15:35:46 | DMJC | friend of mine went to stanford... |
| 15:35:52 | DMJC | I mean berkeley |
| 15:35:54 | ashridah | good lord. places still teach pascal?! |
| 15:35:54 | Aditya | heh |
| 15:35:58 | DMJC | he's at stanford doing PHd |
| 15:36:01 | DMJC | heh |
| 15:36:09 | Aditya | you'd be surprised ash |
| 15:36:17 | DMJC | berkeley had such a large language choice I was shocked when I saw it |
| 15:36:29 | Aditya | but basically, its supposed to teach you how to think in different environments |
| 15:36:34 | DMJC | from pascal and cobol, to C/C++/C#/.net |
| 15:36:39 | DMJC | it's pretty crazy |
| 15:36:40 | ashridah | Aditya: i agree, that's a good idea. |
| 15:37:00 | Aditya | I dont think our school does C#.. but thats JAVA basically anyways.. |
| 15:37:16 | ashridah | i'm just surprised that anyone sees pascal as relevent, except as an exercise in either a) maintaing old code or b) reading old code for conversion. |
| 15:37:17 | Aditya | I am waiting for like digital logic design or microprocessors (!!!) |
| 15:37:21 | ashridah | i probably shouldn't be that surprised |
| 15:37:30 | DMJC | 1.01ghz ppc g4 |
| 15:37:35 | ashridah | i just used a paper on binary tree rebalancing which had code in pascal that i had to convert to C |
| 15:37:36 | DMJC | hmm.. how did that clock increase.. |
| 15:37:39 | Aditya | brb.. switching back to PC |
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| 15:51:52 | Aditya | wheeeeeee |
| 15:51:56 | Aditya | *ahem |
| 15:52:02 | Aditya | stupid mcafee and its port blocking |
| 15:52:32 | * | DMJC returns to stabbing osx tiger in the face |
| 15:52:45 | Aditya | hmm? |
| 15:52:48 | Aditya | problems? |
| 15:52:55 | DMJC | trying to run it in pearpc |
| 15:53:01 | Aditya | oh |
| 15:53:01 | Aditya | heh |
| 15:53:06 | DMJC | has some... issues |
| 15:53:07 | Aditya | I don't like OSX in general |
| 15:53:14 | Aditya | but I won't go there |
| 15:53:23 | DMJC | their CLI tools suck |
| 15:53:35 | DMJC | and their gui leaves some to be desired |
| 15:53:49 | Aditya | well if you ask me.. there are many things in OSX that are there just to be different.. which annoys me.. |
| 15:54:12 | DMJC | the apple menu is as old as apple itself |
| 15:54:23 | Aditya | people have this stupid idea that using other's interface ideas is somehow bad.. yet people always talk about open source or w/e.. |
| 15:54:59 | Aditya | xp's start menu is the best I have seen.. I find it easier to use that .. even more so than the desktop |
| 15:55:07 | DMJC | I dunno |
| 15:55:13 | DMJC | gnome 2.10 has a damn nice menu system |
| 15:55:32 | DMJC | the places menu has made nautilus a lot more appealing for me |
| 15:55:47 | DMJC | I'm starting to use it when I would normally use CLI for similar tasks |
| 15:56:18 | Aditya | eh |
| 15:56:32 | Aditya | adobe and macromedia need to make a linux version of photoshop and flash |
| 15:56:36 | Aditya | then I will move over to linux |
| 15:56:44 | Aditya | but right now.. I am missing those two |
| 15:56:50 | Aditya | on linux that is |
| 15:56:55 | DMJC | well... that's adobe now |
| 15:57:01 | DMJC | they bought out macromedia |
| 15:57:13 | DMJC | macromedia said that they were porting flash |
| 15:57:23 | DMJC | and adobe has updated reader 7 |
| 15:57:26 | ashridah | Aditya: whoever made XP's start menu goofed. it should never have had a way to cover itself with a submenu. |
| 15:57:31 | DMJC | it no longer sucks, has proper desktop |
| 15:58:11 | Bagder | adobe reader 7 on linux even uses libcurl! ;-) |
| 15:58:19 | Bagder | authored by yours truly |
| 15:58:35 | DMJC | heh cool |
| 15:59:14 | Aditya | ash, what do you mean by submenu? |
| 15:59:22 | Aditya | dont the submenus expand to the right? |
| 15:59:34 | Aditya | oh you mean the all programs thing? |
| 15:59:43 | DMJC | if you like winxp so much |
| 15:59:49 | DMJC | http://xpde.com/ |
| 16:00 |
| 16:00:06 | DMJC | http://xpde.com/shots.php kind of disturbing |
| 16:00:27 | Aditya | thats very cool |
| 16:00:35 | Aditya | its not disturbing.. |
| 16:00:42 | DMJC | still waiting for a proper gtk version of notepad |
| 16:00:51 | Aditya | because people can now easily convince family to use linux |
| 16:00:51 | DMJC | and a wordpad port damnit |
| 16:01:11 | Aditya | cause I know I wouldn't be able to do it for a thousand years if I used gnome and asked my bro or dad to start using linux |
| 16:01:30 | DMJC | you could skin gnome to look very close to winxp |
| 16:01:47 | Aditya | yeah. but I would have to fiddle with all the menus and such |
| 16:01:50 | Aditya | this is much easier :P |
| 16:01:55 | DMJC | yeah |
| 16:02:08 | DMJC | a full explorer.exe remake on linux would be kind of interesting |
| 16:02:33 | Aditya | I aminly like the alt-tabbing they managed to reproduce |
| 16:02:38 | DMJC | but that's what reactos is for |
| 16:02:39 | Aditya | mainly* |
| 16:03:05 | DMJC | what linux is to unix |
| 16:03:08 | DMJC | reactos is to windows |
| 16:04:10 | Aditya | hah cool |
| 16:04:15 | ashridah | except reactos is supposed to be binary-compatible. |
| 16:04:18 | ashridah | which linux is not |
| 16:04:18 | Aditya | I prob wouldn't use it yet though |
| 16:06:35 | DMJC | reactos is getting there but it's quite a long time off being useful |
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| 16:12:08 | DMJC | what the hell |
| 16:12:17 | DMJC | wine outperforms windows in some areas? |
| 16:12:24 | DMJC | http://winehq.org/?issue=273 |
| 16:12:28 | DMJC | scroll to near bottom |
| 16:17:25 | Aditya | I am thinking because of page file stuff |
| 16:17:31 | Aditya | linux might have a better way to do that |
| 16:18:40 | DMJC | heh welcome to swap partitions |
| 16:18:55 | DMJC | more efficient caching of hdd |
| 16:21:55 | Aditya | yeah |
| 16:22:10 | Aditya | I am going to get a gig of ram over the summer |
| 16:22:15 | Aditya | which will put me at 1.7 gigs.. |
| 16:22:21 | Aditya | shouldn't need a pagefile then :P |
| 16:22:34 | Bagder | windows will swap anyway |
| 16:22:40 | Bagder | linux doesn't |
| 16:23:54 | Bagder | (at least not until you actually start using most of it) |
| 16:24:28 | DMJC | sic |
| 16:24:36 | DMJC | I'm saving for another 1gb of ddr 400 |
| 16:24:55 | Bagder | what ARE you doing with all that ram? |
| 16:24:55 | DMJC | battlefield 2 wants 1gb as recommended |
| 16:25:04 | Bagder | ah games... |
| 16:25:09 | DMJC | compiling code, games |
| 16:25:14 | Bagder | code? |
| 16:25:22 | DMJC | open office is 1.5gb |
| 16:25:22 | Bagder | I have 512KB, it is more than enough for code |
| 16:25:39 | DMJC | mainly games/media |
| 16:25:43 | Bagder | 1.5gb ram when compiling? |
| 16:25:51 | DMJC | oh yeah... I have apple shake 3 |
| 16:25:56 | DMJC | and maya 6.0 |
| 16:26:05 | DMJC | maya I can actually use.. |
| 16:29:13 | Aditya | erm |
| 16:29:18 | Aditya | I can run maya on 512 mb |
| 16:29:20 | Aditya | works just fine |
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| 16:29:35 | Aditya | and no.. you can turn off page files |
| 16:29:46 | Aditya | windows wont use them until you run out of most of ur memory anyways |
| 16:30:29 | DMJC | can run maya on 512 mb |
| 16:30:34 | DMJC | but you don't really want to |
| 16:30:46 | DMJC | hell the more ram maya gets the better |
| 16:31:23 | DMJC | ram, cpus, and gfx cards are all the same... you always want faster and larger capacities of all |
| 16:32:12 | Aditya | yeah I know |
| 16:32:19 | Aditya | I have 768 mb of ram right now |
| 16:32:24 | Aditya | and a 128 mb ATI AIW |
| 16:32:29 | Aditya | it runs fine |
| 16:33:34 | DMJC | that's roughly the same |
| 16:33:45 | DMJC | geforce 4 ti 4800se 128mb, and 1gb ram |
| 16:35:18 | Aditya | eh.. geforce ti.. |
| 16:35:44 | Aditya | I am obligated to fight you to the death as you are using nvidia |
| 16:35:45 | Aditya | :P |
| 16:35:49 | Aditya | RAWR |
| 16:36:04 | DMJC | my drivers work on bsd yours don't I = win |
| 16:36:54 | DMJC | nice and simple how it breaks down to platforms it runs on and performance |
| 16:38:00 | Aditya | oh |
| 16:38:03 | Aditya | I use slack |
| 16:38:06 | Aditya | and ATI works on there |
| 16:38:18 | DMJC | running gentoo atm, but i dabbled in bsd |
| 16:38:27 | DMJC | freebsd isn't too bad |
| 16:38:34 | Aditya | eh |
| 16:38:39 | Aditya | no real motivation for me to try it |
| 16:38:55 | DMJC | yeah if your existing setup works, don't change it |
| 16:39:30 | DMJC | I'm one of those crazy tweaker people who's always trying new platforms and crazy emulation schemes |
| 16:43:11 | Rick | Consider emulating the human brain |
| 16:44:12 | DMJC | heh too many registers.. |
| 16:44:36 | DMJC | human brain basically isn't possible to emulate on a pc |
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| 17:07:55 | ze | haha |
| 17:08:02 | ze | thats like emulating a supercomputer on a c64 |
| 17:09:19 | Aditya | damn rage against the machine has a bad ass guitarist |
| 17:09:33 | ze | though if you got everyone on the internet to cooperate with a distributed computing emulation |
| 17:09:44 | ze | then you might get somewhere |
| 17:09:47 | ze | maybe |
| 17:10:02 | Aditya | ze: the human brain has lots of relational stuff that really can't be programmed into a comp very well now |
| 17:10:12 | ze | Aditya: true |
| 17:10:30 | HCl | hello |
| 17:10:58 | Aditya | heylo |
| 17:12:20 | ze | really many elements... its analog, physically self-reorganizing, ... |
| 17:12:33 | ze | oh, and hi. |
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| 19:30:30 | rasher | ooh, lcd details for h300 |
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| 19:48:05 | thegeek | hm, I can't remember if this is where I found it, what is the url to that irc-topic-image-collector? |
| 19:51:18 | HCl | whats a good ftp client for windows.. |
| 19:52:20 | thegeek | flashfxp |
| 19:52:21 | thegeek | ;) |
| 19:52:54 | HCl | um. |
| 19:53:10 | HCl | mrf :/ |
| 19:53:19 | thegeek | I think it's very good;) |
| 19:53:32 | HCl | hmmm... |
| 19:53:40 | HCl | actually, my ftp server is rejecting my connection |
| 19:53:43 | thegeek | and not just because it has "leet" "warez" "scene" site-to-site transfer abilites |
| 19:53:44 | HCl | thats why lftp isn't working. |
| 19:53:51 | HCl | okay. |
| 19:53:52 | thegeek | ;) |
| 19:54:37 | HCl | odd. why is it refusing my connection o.o |
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| 20:01:17 | HCl | hmm. |
| 20:01:20 | HCl | >:/ |
| 20:01:25 | * | HCl bites the isp of his parents. |
| 20:01:35 | HCl | they blocked ftp for certain ranges, including my university. |
| 20:01:43 | HCl | it still works on port 2121 |
| 20:10:39 | courtc | heh, lftp is good :) filezilla is decent for winwin.. and oss |
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| 21:04:57 | HCl | there's a port of lftp for windows |
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| 23:11:51 | Bagder | anyone wanna try my upcoming build patch? |
| 23:14:45 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/ (for the log) |
| 23:28:42 | HCl | merf, my invert word doesn't work... |
| 23:28:45 | * | HCl goes to bed.. |
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| 23:33:57 | [IDC]Dragon | hi out there! |
| 23:34:05 | Bagder | good evening |
| 23:36:06 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn, do you read? |
| 23:36:37 | amiconn | Ah, hi |
| 23:36:43 | amiconn | evening |
| 23:36:52 | * | amiconn was busylooking at code... |
| 23:37:12 | [IDC]Dragon | I just tried yesterdays sectioned compilation, doesn't work |
| 23:37:23 | [IDC]Dragon | the vector table is all crap |
| 23:37:40 | amiconn | Huh? My sectioned builds of rockbox work just fine |
| 23:37:58 | [IDC]Dragon | I didn't try real rockbox, but bootbox |
| 23:38:08 | amiconn | I made a comprehensive table of unused functions in the various builds (SH platform only) |
| 23:38:26 | [IDC]Dragon | phew |
| 23:38:44 | [IDC]Dragon | do I need the .comment part in the lds file? |
| 23:38:44 | amiconn | I already found this time setting stuff, which saved almost 2 KB by disabling it |
| 23:38:57 | amiconn | I didn't need that |
| 23:39:02 | HCl | time setting stuff? |
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| 23:39:47 | amiconn | HCl: A screen for setting the current time, and a helper function to voice the time. That was dead code on platforms with no rtc (Ondio) |
| 23:40:03 | HCl | when i start implementing the runtime db, i'll need to add some code to rockbox to give some sense of passage of time |
| 23:40:08 | HCl | even on systems without rtc |
| 23:40:35 | amiconn | Yes |
| 23:40:44 | HCl | but yea, setting current time isn't relevant on units without rtc |
| 23:42:25 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: does your .lds contain any KEEP directive, other than KEEP(*(.vectors)) ? |
| 23:42:36 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Here's the table (openoffice format): http://amiconn.dyndns.org/Unused%20code.sxc |
| 23:42:50 | * | HCl is tired. yup. |
| 23:42:53 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm more interested in you mods |
| 23:42:55 | * | HCl read .exe at first :/ |
| 23:43:02 | [IDC]Dragon | to makefile and .lds |
| 23:43:10 | amiconn | No, there's only KEEP(*(.vectors)) |
| 23:43:33 | [IDC]Dragon | no other entry point? |
| 23:44:00 | amiconn | I did the sectioned compilation as a quick hack, adding the compiler flags to the configure-generated Makefile |
| 23:44:20 | amiconn | EXTRA_DEFINES=-ffunction-sections -fdata-sections |
| 23:44:27 | [IDC]Dragon | same here, but I changed the script, too |
| 23:44:41 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, got that |
| 23:44:50 | amiconn | Then I changed the .lds files for the section name wildcards |
| 23:45:02 | amiconn | (app.lds and rom.lds) |
| 23:45:16 | [IDC]Dragon | I only needed app.lds |
| 23:46:26 | amiconn | *(.text*), *(.rodata*), *(.data*), *(.bss*) |
| 23:46:40 | amiconn | ...and the KEEP(*(.vectors)) |
| 23:46:43 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, same here |
| 23:47:15 | [IDC]Dragon | the vector table I get is like a conter |
| 23:47:21 | [IDC]Dragon | counter |
| 23:47:34 | amiconn | Final thing was to add -Wl,−−gc-sections to the 2 places where -elfs are created in apps/Makefile |
| 23:48:24 | amiconn | This is not a complete transition; when I run the build up to the end I get 150-MB-plugins |
| 23:48:52 | amiconn | ...because plugin.lds and the corresponding Makefile would need similar treatment |
| 23:49:19 | [IDC]Dragon | I build no plugins |
| 23:49:44 | amiconn | That was all that was required to get this to work... |
| 23:49:54 | [IDC]Dragon | so one place for the linker was ok for me |
| 23:50:09 | [IDC]Dragon | looks all the same here |
| 23:50:23 | amiconn | I'm currently fiddling with another problem. I try to finally clean up the i2c driver |
| 23:50:43 | [IDC]Dragon | to do what? |
| 23:50:57 | amiconn | (you probably know, the PB5 handling that has nothing to do with i2c) |
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| 23:51:21 | * | [IDC]Dragon forgot, or never knew |
| 23:51:22 | amiconn | I moved the PB5 handling to mas_reset() for the player, as it is mas_enable there |
| 23:51:46 | amiconn | For the v1 recorder PB5 is charger control, so I added this to power_init() |
| 23:52:02 | amiconn | However, I'm not sure where to put it for fm/v2/Ondio |
| 23:52:17 | amiconn | PB5 is "hold power" there |
| 23:53:16 | amiconn | It might suffice to simply don't care, as either the archos firmware or the bootloader should already have initialised it |
| 23:53:51 | [IDC]Dragon | sound like the power code isa good place |
| 23:54:11 | [IDC]Dragon | sounds ... is a |
| 23:55:11 | [IDC]Dragon | I'd prefer not to rely on previous code |
| 23:55:47 | [IDC]Dragon | btw, I think we should enable charging by default |
| 23:56:00 | amiconn | I don't agree |
| 23:57:08 | [IDC]Dragon | for flat battery problems |
| 23:57:14 | amiconn | If we do, we have no way to get a usable battery state |
| 23:57:41 | [IDC]Dragon | I was about to ask that to Jerry |
| 23:58:07 | [IDC]Dragon | the boxes with hardware charging also are facing this |
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