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01:44:55 | Adity1 | hello? |
01:45:00 | HCl | hi :3 |
01:45:10 | Adity1 | hey HCl |
01:45:29 | Adity1 | I cant get my damn mouse to work with linux |
01:45:35 | Adity1 | wireless.. *sigh* |
01:45:37 | HCl | ah o.o |
01:45:58 | Adity1 | how do you print incoming mouse data? |
01:46:05 | HCl | cat /dev/psaux? |
01:46:09 | Adity1 | I remember there is a command to do that |
01:46:13 | Adity1 | ah.. I think thats it.. thanks |
01:47:05 | Adity1 | noe |
01:47:12 | Adity1 | definitely not working |
01:47:13 | Adity1 | gah |
01:48:04 | HCl | linux can be such a beep to setup properly |
01:48:11 | HCl | and people tend to blame it on hw manufacturers |
01:55:20 | Adity1 | mmmmmm |
01:55:24 | Adity1 | think I foundmy problem |
01:55:30 | HCl | mm? |
01:55:31 | Adity1 | thing was looking at /dev/mouse |
01:55:40 | Adity1 | when it was really supposed to look at /dev/input/mice |
01:55:43 | preglow | well, it is a hw manufacturer problem if you look at it one way |
01:55:54 | Adity1 | its usually not |
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02:02:08 | HCl | meh |
02:02:14 | HCl | linux is just mostly oss software |
02:02:17 | Adity1 | hmm this should do it |
02:02:22 | HCl | and though oss people can generally code okish |
02:02:35 | HCl | they're terrible at user interface design and userfriendlyness. |
02:02:40 | HCl | like me :p |
02:02:44 | HCl | *points at databox* |
02:02:51 | Adity1 | hence.. the monstrosity that is GIMP |
02:02:51 | HCl | but at least i'm aware that its cruddy |
02:02:56 | HCl | well |
02:02:58 | HCl | yea. |
02:02:58 | preglow | that applies to most coders |
02:03:01 | HCl | the interface of gimp sucks |
02:03:02 | preglow | not just oss people |
02:03:03 | HCl | but honestly |
02:03:05 | HCl | gimp is great |
02:03:05 | HCl | o.o |
02:03:08 | Adity1 | Hcl, I can design interface and such if you want.. |
02:03:08 | HCl | aside from the interface. |
02:03:10 | ze | whats wrong with gimp's interface? |
02:03:13 | Adity1 | thats what I do most of the time anyways |
02:03:14 | preglow | the interface of gimp isn't that bad |
02:03:16 | Adity1 | ze: it sucks? |
02:03:24 | ze | Adity1: that doesn't say whats wrong with it |
02:03:37 | HCl | its not very practical with all the tiny windows |
02:03:44 | HCl | rather than using one big one and using docking windows in there. |
02:03:53 | Adity1 | I find it annoying how everything is hidden |
02:04:02 | Adity1 | photoshop is like the best one ever |
02:04:04 | HCl | and its tricky to even save a certainfile |
02:04:04 | ze | i hate one big window apps |
02:04:07 | Adity1 | you don't have to search for shit |
02:04:08 | ze | like the way photoshop is |
02:04:11 | HCl | cause you have to click it and select from a menu etc |
02:04:13 | ze | its just a bunch of wasted space |
02:04:23 | ze | blocking other apps that i'll want to use in conjuction |
02:04:32 | Adity1 | like what ze? |
02:04:46 | ze | like my irssi term where i can do math to calculate dimensions or whatever |
02:05:06 | ze | or a term where i can run other commandline image-processing apps |
02:05:07 | ze | or whatever |
02:05:16 | Adity1 | I have been using photoshop for about 4 years now.. never found it annoying.. its nice that I dont have to worry about 20 dialogs |
02:05:26 | ze | well thats you on windows |
02:05:33 | ze | you're used to that limited operating paradigm |
02:05:41 | Adity1 | sure.. w/e |
02:05:43 | ze | windows pisses me off every time i use it, cause everything gets in the way of everything else |
02:05:50 | HCl | O.o. |
02:06:01 | HCl | why can't we just agree that people have different needs? :P |
02:06:03 | Adity1 | w/e you say ze.. I am tired of arguing with one-sided people |
02:06:04 | ze | i'm used to sloppy focus and non-auto window raising |
02:06:13 | * | HCl shivers at sloppy focus |
02:06:13 | preglow | hazha |
02:06:14 | Adity1 | I use both linux and windows |
02:06:17 | ze | and i can do stuff so much faster like that |
02:06:19 | preglow | cmon |
02:06:24 | preglow | you're not very dual sided either here |
02:06:33 | preglow | i'm off before this evolves to a flame fest |
02:06:37 | Adity1 | and I am telling you.. windows is good for design.. linux is good for programming/servers etc.. |
02:06:38 | HCl | XD |
02:06:41 | HCl | i'm with ya preglow |
02:06:44 | HCl | i need to sleep anyways |
02:06:45 | ze | hehe |
02:06:55 | Adity1 | pfft |
02:06:58 | * | HCl goes to pet his kitty |
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02:07:10 | * | Adity1 hurls a bucket of napalm at HCl |
02:07:11 | * | HCl just goes afk though, not poof :p |
02:07:13 | ze | how about how hydrogen has it |
02:07:15 | * | HCl eats it. |
02:07:18 | Adity1 | hmm.. now where did tat match box go.. |
02:07:21 | HCl | afk :p |
02:07:24 | Adity1 | ah there it is. |
02:07:29 | ze | it can be one-window ala photoshop or multi-window ala gimp |
02:07:33 | ze | and you can switch it in the prefs |
02:08:09 | ze | that way you can use what you like |
02:08:11 | Adity1 | thats not the main problem ze.. there are just too many dialogs in GIMP.. that could have been organized much better |
02:08:30 | ze | but honestly i don't see any logical reason to have things in one window like that, since it just needs subwindows for everything anyway |
02:08:36 | ze | well there's no fewer dialogs in photoshop |
02:08:49 | ze | they're just subwindows of the main one |
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02:09:26 | ze | and at least gimp's can dock together as of >=2.0 or whatever |
02:09:46 | ze | the way i got mine i've got 4 windows when i've got 1 image open... |
02:09:47 | HCl | ze: the benefit is that you can raise them on top of other windows all at once |
02:09:50 | Adity1 | have you ever used Photoshop CS? |
02:10:04 | ze | a group of dialogs on the left, a group on the right, the toolbox, and the image window |
02:10:09 | Adity1 | you can move each part and organize them in palletes.. whichever way you want it |
02:10:17 | ze | HCl: so group them via your WM and you can too |
02:10:29 | Adity1 | ze.. |
02:10:30 | HCl | um. i'm not sure how to do that :p |
02:10:30 | ze | HCl: though personally that'd just annoy me, i like to raise a window only when i need to |
02:10:34 | Adity1 | I dont want to do extra shit |
02:10:39 | HCl | i like to have all the toolwindows |
02:10:39 | Adity1 | I want things to just work.. |
02:10:42 | HCl | of something i'm editing |
02:10:43 | HCl | heh. |
02:10:45 | Adity1 | and windows lets me do that |
02:10:46 | Adity1 | so eh |
02:10:59 | Adity1 | I should say photoshop |
02:11:07 | Adity1 | because I have nothing against linux |
02:11:08 | Adity1 | just gimp.. |
02:11:12 | ze | well see, i guess thats where we differ |
02:11:13 | HCl | lol. |
02:11:21 | HCl | i like gimp |
02:11:26 | austriancoder | dsoes anybody know, if linus started to write code to work with audiosettings? |
02:11:28 | HCl | i haven't used it in ages though |
02:11:30 | ze | i like things to just do what i tell it to and not make assumptions about what i want it to do |
02:11:32 | HCl | and the windows port is just crap |
02:11:45 | * | HCl doesn't even know whether his tablet is supported in linux |
02:11:54 | HCl | linux is useless to me while it can't do 802.1x |
02:11:59 | ze | HCl: i've heard the windows port of gimp is pretty decent in recent times |
02:12:02 | austriancoder | i got now a working i2c interface and tuner seems to work.. now i am hacking uda1380 code to enabel analog input |
02:12:14 | HCl | ze: maybe, last version i've used was 1.3, i think |
02:12:18 | HCl | austriancoder: nice |
02:12:24 | Adity1 | hmm |
02:12:27 | Adity1 | what in fucking hell.. |
02:12:30 | ze | HCl: and there's a patch for it that gives it photoshop's one-window style deal, so it doesn't flood the taskbar |
02:12:33 | HCl | austriancoder: any progress on making it possible to record from radio? |
02:12:39 | Adity1 | slack wont see my internet connection |
02:12:52 | HCl | "see" your internet connection? |
02:12:53 | HCl | O.o. |
02:13:08 | HCl | you mean network card? |
02:13:09 | Adity1 | as in .. its not connecting |
02:13:27 | austriancoder | HCl: no.. at the moment not.. i am playing a little bit with the uda1380 ... |
02:13:33 | HCl | okies |
02:13:36 | HCl | just wondering |
02:13:42 | HCl | in the end it should be possible, right/ |
02:13:47 | HCl | ? |
02:14:16 | austriancoder | yep it should be possible |
02:14:20 | HCl | :) |
02:14:32 | austriancoder | but first i want to hear radio :) |
02:14:36 | HCl | *nods* |
02:16:44 | austriancoder | coding can be very funny and interesting |
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02:16:59 | HCl | and very frustrating |
02:17:10 | austriancoder | this also |
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02:35:28 | * | austriancoder will go to sleep now |
02:35:31 | austriancoder | good night all |
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02:41:46 | HCl | night.. |
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04:17:06 | XShocK | i became a person who never gets near pc. |
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04:31:31 | Aditya_ | anyone even here |
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09:57:54 | bobTHC | mornin' all ! |
09:58:36 | * | preglow goes to hang himself |
09:59:30 | bobTHC | :( |
09:59:42 | bobTHC | keep the faith preglow !! |
09:59:43 | rasher | please don't, we need you :> |
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10:00:20 | LinusN | leave the suicide note in the wiki |
10:00:34 | odd | http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/quantum_computers.htm Quantum Computers May Be Easier to Build Than Predicted, NIST Work Suggests |
10:01:38 | preglow | i'm so tired of fighting against unix stuff in windows |
10:03:38 | rasher | how so? |
10:05:54 | preglow | like cygwin, msys and a ton of unixish libs i need to compile under windows |
10:05:57 | preglow | it breaks randomly |
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10:10:36 | preglow | and i need it ready in half an hour |
10:12:13 | bobTHC | preglow > if u were u, i'll take a remote shell, with that u build ure env dev once. |
10:15:11 | preglow | and i need the program to work on windows for demoing |
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10:18:06 | bobTHC | in a ssh session to ure shell , u can show it under every OS except if ure proggy using some OS specific graphics libs |
10:19:43 | Bagder | people should learn windows is for games only ;-) |
10:20:13 | preglow | i need sound |
10:20:15 | preglow | so can't use ssh |
10:20:19 | preglow | i also need midi input |
10:20:21 | preglow | so again, no dice |
10:20:24 | bobTHC | indeed ;) |
10:21:07 | preglow | i will kill and maim the authors of portmidi |
10:21:39 | Bagder | what that be before or after your suicide? ;-) |
10:21:42 | Bagder | would |
10:21:46 | bobTHC | :) |
10:21:49 | preglow | i will haunt them in the afterlife |
10:25:51 | t0mas | good morning |
10:26:10 | t0mas | brb... coffe time :) |
10:26:25 | t0mas | *coffee |
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11:07:47 | austriancoder | goood morning |
11:09:22 | t0mas | morning |
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11:46:26 | bobTHC | morning ;) |
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12:03:09 | MoosCamaro | Morning all |
12:03:18 | bobTHC | hi |
12:08:13 | HCl | hey |
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12:56:27 | AEnertia | Hey i've seen a huge hole in the codecs page... |
12:56:44 | LinusN | fill it, fast! |
12:56:48 | AEnertia | Because the ihp3xxx series supports video playback |
12:57:00 | AEnertia | It's an undocumented feature |
12:57:30 | * | rasher adds speex while we're at it |
12:57:49 | LinusN | we will support video playback, but with our own video format |
12:58:05 | AEnertia | There is info on mystic river for the various encoder setting you need to have for it to work. |
12:58:16 | AEnertia | Probably a good idea |
12:58:18 | AEnertia | =-) |
12:58:39 | AEnertia | But it might be prudent to add the video dec libraries around to the codecs page... |
12:58:58 | AEnertia | It might make some of the decisions for implementing the audio codecs clearer |
12:59:23 | LinusN | since you will have to reencode 99% of all vodeo you want to see, we will use our own format |
12:59:30 | LinusN | video |
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13:00:01 | AEnertia | BTW as a user of an old jbrv2 (which is now recylced in a usb externall hdd case after dieing beyond recovery)... and now the owner of a ihp3xx |
13:00:07 | LinusN | which will (probably, hopefully) have full speed frame rate |
13:00:25 | AEnertia | I am happy to be back into the fray.. =-) |
13:00:32 | LinusN | instead of the 10fps in the H3x0 iriver firmware |
13:00:45 | AEnertia | ;-) |
13:01:24 | AEnertia | I've used a lot of Portable devices and rockbox remains the BEST interface hands down |
13:01:41 | AEnertia | I was actually really disappointed with the irivers interface and firmware... |
13:01:44 | rasher | ooh, speex has a fixed-point port in-progress |
13:01:45 | LinusN | good to hear |
13:01:56 | AEnertia | Cheers for everything so far... |
13:02:09 | * | LinusN has an H320 |
13:02:50 | AEnertia | Oh and with the usb host... there isn't any discussion on the forums or wikifaq... any ideas about that? |
13:03:46 | LinusN | not yet |
13:04:55 | AEnertia | kk... |
13:05:06 | LinusN | we haven't started with the H300 port yet |
13:05:32 | AEnertia | Have iriver said anything/given any idication of cooperating ? |
13:05:53 | Bagder | we haven't asked them |
13:05:58 | Bagder | they haven't said anything |
13:06:24 | AEnertia | Do you think it's worth trying? |
13:06:28 | LinusN | one of their representatives have vaguely expressed a wish to make contact |
13:06:39 | LinusN | they know about us |
13:06:51 | LinusN | i don't think it's worth to make contact |
13:06:51 | AEnertia | Well that's somthing i guess. |
13:06:56 | Bagder | I don't think we have much to gain |
13:07:13 | LinusN | if they want anything, they know where to find us |
13:07:20 | AEnertia | =-) |
13:07:22 | rasher | I noticed someone found specs for the h320 display recently |
13:07:36 | AEnertia | yah I saw that... |
13:07:41 | rasher | h300, I guess |
13:07:42 | LinusN | it's most likely the wrong display |
13:07:51 | AEnertia | I saw that also ;-) |
13:07:53 | rasher | ah, bummer |
13:08:16 | rasher | Hm, lots of lang updates |
13:08:22 | rasher | I wonder if dansk is out of sync |
13:09:15 | Bagder | time to run that language stat script of yours! ;-) |
13:09:37 | rasher | Yes.. I seem to have done something to it though |
13:09:44 | rasher | its output has changed somehow |
13:11:18 | rasher | what's keeping pillo's proportional-font viewer patch out? |
13:14:23 | rasher | this can't be right.. islenska is reported as having 166 untranslated strings |
13:17:03 | LinusN | i don't think anything is keeping the prop-font viewer patch out |
13:17:16 | LinusN | someone has to test it on all platforms and then commit it |
13:17:49 | rasher | I can vouch for it on iRiver at least |
13:18:37 | rasher | applied it a good while ago and forgot that it wasn't "official" |
13:19:34 | LinusN | i have to run |
13:19:39 | LinusN | cu around |
13:19:59 | rasher | later |
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13:39:51 | Lynx_ | since when is the H3x0 in discussion? :) |
13:40:12 | Bagder | it always has been, only a bit in the background |
13:40:26 | Bagder | and now Linus has one... |
13:41:46 | Lynx_ | ah. is it much different? except the obvious colour screen. |
13:41:55 | Bagder | different keypad |
13:42:37 | Lynx_ | and hardware wise? |
13:42:39 | Bagder | I didn't try it much so I can't tell about other details |
13:42:45 | Bagder | hardware wise it is similar |
13:42:51 | Lynx_ | ok |
13:43:13 | Bagder | the lcd is the biggest thing keeping the first rockbox boot away still |
13:43:14 | Lynx_ | but it's also out of production i guess from it not being on amazon... |
13:43:41 | rasher | shops should still have them |
13:44:49 | Lynx_ | yes, they do... |
13:45:25 | Bagder | oh, and it doesn't come with the fancy remote |
13:45:59 | rasher | sometimes I'd like a simple remote |
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13:53:49 | Lynx_ | 340 eur for a h320...were the archos also so expensive? |
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13:58:18 | rasher | 309 in denmark :) |
13:59:07 | Lynx_ | hmm, i have to check what i would get for my recorder on ebay ;) |
13:59:46 | rasher | oh, that's from a French store it seems |
13:59:59 | rasher | pixmania.com |
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14:08:17 | Lynx_ | hmm, ebay germany has only two recorders for about 100, but with days to go |
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14:38:28 | preglow | rasher: in progress? i thought the fixed point version of speex works pretty well |
14:38:47 | rasher | Ah, just going by their webpage |
14:39:03 | rasher | "In-progress fixed-point port" |
14:39:07 | preglow | but yeah |
14:39:07 | rasher | quote |
14:39:30 | preglow | i've used speex before |
14:39:32 | preglow | it's a fine codec |
14:39:51 | rasher | someone came here asking about it |
14:40:18 | preglow | when? |
14:40:37 | rasher | a few days ago I think |
14:40:56 | preglow | i've been thinking about adding it, to see how well it performs without iram |
14:40:59 | preglow | but no time |
14:41:39 | rasher | ah |
14:42:26 | rasher | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20050508.txt <−− Speex request at 00:59:20 |
14:42:39 | rasher | linuxstb was also talking about speex for voicebox |
14:43:13 | rasher | I do wonder where he went |
14:43:15 | preglow | yes, that's what i'm thinking about using it for |
14:43:25 | preglow | yes, me too, would be nice to have another codec person around |
14:44:56 | rasher | his domain is not responding |
14:44:57 | rasher | o.O |
14:45:12 | preglow | yeah, i've noticed that as well |
14:52:38 | Bagder | http://www.itunes.se/ |
14:52:42 | Bagder | :-P |
14:53:16 | t0mas | ASP? |
14:53:28 | t0mas | apple using asp? lol |
14:53:45 | preglow | hahaha |
14:55:13 | rasher | is that registred to apple though? |
14:55:47 | rasher | looks like it is |
14:56:00 | Bagder | "Apple Computer Inc." |
14:56:13 | t0mas | http://www.itunes.nl/ |
14:56:16 | rasher | "1 Infinite Loop" >< |
14:56:17 | t0mas | looks good? :P |
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15:08:12 | rasher | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=668.0 the nerve |
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15:16:27 | t0mas | rasher: 8| |
15:16:40 | * | t0mas bangs his head against the wall... |
15:16:47 | t0mas | how stupid can you be... |
15:17:16 | rasher | Oh quite |
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15:24:50 | t0mas | hi |
15:25:03 | t0mas | preglow: good luck then |
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16:19:53 | t0mas | hm... |
16:20:03 | t0mas | in rockbox... the version number is the compile date... not the checkout date.. |
16:20:20 | t0mas | wouldn't it be better to use the CVS checkout date as a version? |
16:20:40 | preglow | how would you automate that? |
16:20:52 | t0mas | don't know, that's why I ask |
16:21:06 | preglow | better yes, but harder to implement |
16:21:13 | preglow | you'd need cvs to tag your source code |
16:21:19 | t0mas | yes.. |
16:21:21 | rasher | set a cronscript on the server to update a file :) |
16:21:54 | rasher | cronjob, I believe is the word I was looking for :-X |
16:22:13 | t0mas | :) |
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16:23:49 | t0mas | hm... how do I "add" strings in a define? |
16:24:01 | t0mas | possible to do #define BLA "Something: " VAR |
16:24:32 | rasher | :-/ |
16:24:56 | preglow | ## |
16:25:00 | t0mas | ok |
16:25:03 | preglow | i think |
16:25:05 | preglow | gimme a sec |
16:25:22 | t0mas | yes, I can test it myself :) |
16:25:40 | preglow | is VAR i #define as well? |
16:25:51 | t0mas | a macro... |
16:25:53 | t0mas | so yes... |
16:25:59 | preglow | try #define BLA "Something: " #VAR |
16:26:48 | rasher | googling gave me this |
16:26:52 | rasher | #define CONCATENATE(x,y) x##y |
16:26:58 | rasher | which seems to support ## |
16:27:00 | t0mas | ok, lets try that |
16:29:04 | t0mas | test.cpp:9:1: pasting ""something: "" and "TEST" does not give a valid preprocessing token |
16:29:19 | t0mas | #define TEST "bla" |
16:29:20 | t0mas | #define BLA "something: "##TEST |
16:29:22 | t0mas | :( |
16:30:12 | preglow | if TEST already IS a string |
16:30:15 | preglow | then you need nothing at all |
16:30:28 | t0mas | well... my other test isn't a string |
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16:32:02 | preglow | what is it? |
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16:32:12 | ismi | hi |
16:32:18 | t0mas | preglow: the __DATE__ macro |
16:32:30 | preglow | what does that evaluate to? |
16:32:35 | preglow | a string? |
16:32:41 | t0mas | I guess... |
16:32:46 | preglow | then you don't need anything there either |
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16:34:18 | t0mas | hm.. |
16:34:19 | t0mas | doesn't work |
16:35:34 | t0mas | wait... |
16:35:43 | t0mas | it does when the "Something: " is a normal string |
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16:40:16 | preglow | hmm |
16:40:25 | preglow | when i turn on my player with the remote several times |
16:40:31 | preglow | it sometimes boots the iriver firmware |
16:40:37 | t0mas | yes |
16:40:42 | t0mas | when you press the button very short... |
16:40:48 | t0mas | like just clicking it |
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16:47:49 | preglow | no, when i keep it pressed as well |
16:48:14 | t0mas | hm... weird |
16:51:14 | rasher | it should always boot the iRiver firmware, shouldn't it? |
16:52:04 | t0mas | yes |
16:52:32 | rasher | So what's preglow saying..? |
16:53:32 | t0mas | that it doesn't |
16:53:41 | t0mas | ph wait |
16:53:55 | t0mas | preglow: it should do that... |
16:54:04 | rasher | That's not a bug, but a feature! |
16:54:07 | t0mas | but when you press it to short, it somethimes doesn't work |
16:54:10 | t0mas | that's a bug... |
16:54:29 | rasher | Indeed, but hard to do anything about |
16:54:41 | t0mas | hmhm |
16:54:51 | rasher | I wonder how the iRiver firmware handles it |
16:55:07 | rasher | if you can turn that on using a locked remote |
16:55:14 | rasher | by tapping it |
16:55:24 | rasher | if not, they know something we don't |
16:55:31 | rasher | (if I understand the problem correctly) |
16:55:44 | rasher | let me test this |
16:56:04 | t0mas | no |
16:56:20 | t0mas | they check for the key lock after half the booting afaik? |
16:56:20 | rasher | no? |
16:56:32 | rasher | then it should be possible? |
16:56:34 | t0mas | oh wait... |
16:56:41 | t0mas | they can't do that for remote separate |
16:56:43 | preglow | waht, the remote SHOULD boot the iriver firmware? |
16:56:47 | rasher | Yes |
16:56:48 | preglow | why? |
16:56:49 | t0mas | yes preglow |
16:56:55 | rasher | because it's convenient |
16:56:59 | t0mas | feature? :) |
16:57:06 | rasher | won't stay that way though |
16:57:14 | preglow | i sure as hell hope not |
16:57:17 | rasher | Just as long as rockbox is not functional |
16:57:20 | preglow | doesn't exactly make sense |
16:57:29 | t0mas | rasher: you have the iriver version flashed? |
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16:57:59 | rasher | The argument goes something like this: "If you're using the remote to turn it on, you probably have the player in your pocket and just want to listen to music" |
16:58:03 | rasher | t0mas: not yet |
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16:59:42 | rasher | I just noticed the other day, the h120 is only slightly higher and a bit wider than my phone |
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17:00:38 | rasher | t0mas: I do now |
17:00:43 | t0mas | ok |
17:01:44 | rasher | now let's see.. unlocked main, locked remote, short tap on remote with iRiver 1.63-eu firmware: doesn't turn on |
17:02:00 | rasher | I wonder how they manage that |
17:02:12 | rasher | Linus: Any ideas? |
17:02:28 | preglow | linus is not here |
17:02:35 | rasher | I know this |
17:02:46 | rasher | Just in case he searches the logs :) |
17:02:59 | preglow | haha |
17:03:14 | preglow | i sure as hell don't assume people talk to me while i'm not here |
17:03:24 | t0mas | yes, but Linus does ;) |
17:03:51 | rasher | now give me back my rockbox firmware.. |
17:04:06 | * | rasher waits for iriver to boot, go into usb mode |
17:05:26 | * | rasher waits for iriver to come out of usb mode |
17:05:31 | * | rasher sighs heavily |
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17:08:08 | * | t0mas pads rasher on the back... it will all be over soon ;) |
17:09:07 | rasher | certainly |
17:09:10 | * | rasher boots rockbox |
17:09:12 | rasher | \o/ |
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17:49:05 | * | t0mas is still wondering how iriver knows what button activated the player... |
17:50:48 | preglow | why shouldn't it? |
17:51:30 | rasher | well rockbox can't figure out in the case where the button is released immedeatly |
17:51:34 | preglow | it probably does it sooner |
17:51:37 | rasher | uh.. I sure butchered that spelling |
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18:04:34 | preglow | anyone know how to fix dead pixels? |
18:04:37 | preglow | linus mentioned it can be done |
18:05:12 | rasher | I think he just said "massaging" the screen gentlyu |
18:05:45 | preglow | do i need any fancy scented oils? |
18:06:09 | rasher | Haha, no idea |
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18:08:32 | rasher | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20050407.txt |
18:08:51 | rasher | Is this about your new Dell screen? |
18:12:06 | preglow | why, yes |
18:12:08 | preglow | it's due tomorrow |
18:12:13 | preglow | and i'll be having the full cpr kit ready |
18:15:28 | rasher | heh, can't you just ship it back? |
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18:21:22 | preglow | yes, i can |
18:21:27 | preglow | but it takes bloody ages |
18:21:34 | preglow | and i really want to relieve my eyes from this crt hell |
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18:22:38 | thegeek | I am in love with my 2005fpw |
18:22:42 | thegeek | it's supahnice |
18:23:07 | preglow | apart from the widescreen |
18:23:10 | preglow | i like 4:3 for monitors |
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18:26:00 | preglow | seems like it's more or less a wide screen version of the one i'm getting |
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18:48:47 | HCl | hello |
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18:59:09 | rasher | preglow: is www.dagbladet.no dead? |
18:59:30 | preglow | seems so |
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19:00:01 | rasher | alright |
19:00:08 | rasher | so be it |
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19:25:26 | Fred | Hi there ! |
19:25:31 | HCl | hello. |
19:26:26 | Fred | I have an FM Recorder 20, and I'd like to know if anyone managed to run Rombox with the latest CVS versions |
19:26:56 | Fred | Some time ago it would have fit into Rombox, but it seems like Rockbox's tree grew in size |
19:27:29 | Fred | Devs hinted to remove the debug menu, did anyone try this ? |
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19:29:17 | Fred | And another question : would it be possible to software hack an iPod Shuffle ? |
19:29:39 | HCl | you should ask that in #ipodlinux, they'd prolly know.. |
19:29:42 | Fred | The processor is a sigmatel stmp3550b, but there aren't much docs on it publicly |
19:29:49 | Fred | Good hint lol |
19:30:39 | Fred | But as the Rockbox team managed to hack older and newer Archos models, as well as iRiver H series ... |
19:30:46 | Fred | Maybe you should know better |
19:31:28 | Fred | iPod Suffle should have a much simplier layout than all these devices |
19:32:02 | amiconn | Fred: Rombox did never fit for the FM recorder, only if you down-flashed it to become a recorder V2 |
19:32:34 | Fred | That's what I did some time ago, my FM Recorder has a Recorder v2 rom in it |
19:32:44 | amiconn | However, now even this option is gone, because a number of features was added |
19:33:05 | Fred | Really ? Rombox booted really fast ... |
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19:33:59 | amiconn | The difference in boot time shouldn't be that big, the advantage of having more free RAM is imho the more important one |
19:35:07 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon is working on bootbox, which is a cut-down rockbox intended to replace the archos firmware in the flash images... |
19:35:47 | amiconn | ...as a backup firmware. Bootbox will only handle charging, USB, and RoLo |
19:36:07 | amiconn | If this is done, rombox should be possible on all archos models |
19:36:58 | Fred | Sounds great |
19:38:03 | Fred | And Bootbox would have the core libraries Rockbox needs, or will it only be a minimal boot manager ? |
19:38:12 | Fred | I mean, will it save ram for instance |
19:39:10 | amiconn | Bootbox itself will not change ram usage at all, because it's intended as a backup firmware only, the same way that the archos firmware is used in the current flash images |
19:40:07 | amiconn | That means, the future flash images won't contain archos firmware for "F1-boot", but bootbox instead |
19:40:11 | Fred | ok, but will forcomming Rockbox builds have the bootcode stripped off ? |
19:40:20 | Fred | ok |
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19:41:07 | amiconn | So a normal boot would work exactly like now, but the smaller size of bootbox compared to the archos firmware will leave more free space in the flash, allowing to put rombox there |
19:41:12 | Fred | But that means, we'll have some space left to store Rombox in the rom, as the original firmware will have gone away ? |
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19:41:26 | Fred | That's it ... |
19:42:30 | Fred | I llok forward for this :) |
19:43:29 | amiconn | Don't hold your breath though. It may take some time |
19:43:40 | Fred | lol ok |
19:44:09 | Fred | Did you had to reverse-engineer all the chips you ported Rockbox on ? |
19:44:26 | Fred | Or were these chips well documented ? |
19:45:07 | amiconn | The chips are documented more or less, but of course the hardware design still needed quite some reverse engineering |
19:45:09 | Fred | Sounds like you had hard time wondering how the boot process worked, but the processors were allready documented |
19:45:16 | Fred | ok |
19:45:51 | amiconn | I didn't do all that, I joined the project when rockbox was already running on the jukeboxes |
19:46:14 | amiconn | ...but I did the Ondio port together with [IDC]Dragon |
19:46:22 | Fred | ok |
19:47:45 | Fred | Is the Rockbox base still moving, or do you actually focus on the iRiver port ? |
19:47:46 | amiconn | I believe that if the chips weren't documented at all, rockbox wouldn't have been successful |
19:48:07 | Fred | Right |
19:49:55 | amiconn | We intend to keep supporting all platforms rockbox currently runs on |
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19:50:36 | amiconn | ...as long as it is possible/ makes sense |
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20:52:13 | amiconn | fun... |
20:52:57 | preglow | i, agree |
20:53:12 | preglow | how i hate all unix simulating windows environments |
20:53:27 | preglow | may their downfall be swift and sudden |
20:53:29 | * | amiconn is currently running firefox on his debian vm, forwarded through ssh to the host's cygwin x server... |
20:54:01 | t0mas | talking about wasted resources :P |
20:54:20 | amiconn | I merely want to see whether I get this working |
20:54:34 | t0mas | yes, I did almost the same yesterday... |
20:54:39 | t0mas | but with xeyes :) |
20:54:39 | amiconn | unix environments are cumbersome to configure... |
20:54:51 | t0mas | and a real pc... |
20:54:56 | t0mas | still have to install vmware some time |
20:55:03 | amiconn | First, I had to tell sshd on debian to do x11 redirection |
20:55:26 | amiconn | Then I tried the rockbox simulator through it... only to get a BadAccess error |
20:55:56 | amiconn | Some googling told me to enable ForwardX11Trusted in the client's ssh configuration |
20:56:44 | preglow | indeed |
20:56:48 | amiconn | Maybe I should try the other way round as well |
20:57:47 | t0mas | amiconn: ssh -X works too iirc |
20:58:01 | amiconn | nope |
20:58:05 | t0mas | not? |
20:58:16 | t0mas | hm... putty worked... w/o extra config |
20:58:25 | amiconn | This enabled x11 forwarding only, but not the trust |
20:58:44 | amiconn | Maybe putty is different, but I'm using the openssh client in cygwin |
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21:21:12 | * | HCl bites his game |
21:31:43 | t0mas | how did it taste? |
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21:46:02 | amiconn | hmmmmmm |
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22:03:29 | amiconn | ahahaha |
22:03:36 | amiconn | Bagder: r u there? |
22:03:58 | amiconn | I might have found the cause of RLD... |
22:04:18 | rasher | whoa |
22:04:31 | amiconn | When I'm not totally off, this is a mutex dealock... |
22:04:35 | amiconn | *deadlock |
22:04:58 | amiconn | ...which hits when the a retry is necessary |
22:05:27 | rasher | erp |
22:05:36 | rasher | deadlocks :< |
22:08:43 | amiconn | Does anyone feel like checking my thoughts? |
22:08:51 | preglow | amiconn: didn't you try the proportional viewer plugin and find some gripes with it? |
22:09:08 | amiconn | Didn't try it... |
22:09:46 | preglow | then my memory is glitching again |
22:14:23 | preglow | any reason why strncmp is not in the plugin api? |
22:14:40 | amiconn | No yet needed in a plugin |
22:14:47 | amiconn | *Not |
22:15:23 | preglow | then i assume someone's going to fix it when they need it, and i'll ignore the patch |
22:15:45 | amiconn | Yes, saw that patch too |
22:17:03 | preglow | HCl: any news on markun and the grayscale patch ?V: |
22:17:18 | amiconn | Meh. |
22:17:32 | amiconn | That reminds me I should start working on the new gfx api... |
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22:17:53 | amiconn | oopsss |
22:18:20 | amiconn | there he went... |
22:18:49 | amiconn | There are more incomplete patches of markun... like unicode support |
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22:20:26 | preglow | the unicode thing probably requires much work to be done throughout rockbox |
22:20:38 | preglow | grayscale patch is much less work, he should work on that :P |
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22:26:45 | amiconn | I wonder what type/ amount of change(s) would justify a major version bump, i.e. rockbox 3.0.... |
22:28:58 | austriancoder | fully iriver support? |
22:29:46 | Adity1 | well cygwin is finally working |
22:29:48 | preglow | myes |
22:29:55 | Adity1 | now to get this simulator thing running |
22:30:02 | preglow | full h1x0 support with a good codec base i think would merit rockbox 3.0 |
22:30:10 | preglow | the codecs being what i think merits the bump |
22:30:16 | austriancoder | agreed |
22:30:48 | Adity1 | and by v4.. h320!!! :P |
22:31:00 | preglow | hahah |
22:31:06 | preglow | nothing revolutionizing for that, i'm afraid! |
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22:32:36 | * | HCl yawns |
22:33:03 | HCl | preglow: i don't think he's been working on it. |
22:33:18 | amiconn | I don't know what justified the bump to 2.0, but then I did not yet participate when that happened |
22:33:19 | HCl | we made a nice compiler for this tiny language today |
22:33:20 | HCl | it was fun |
22:35:49 | Adity1 | compilaers are bitch when you get to write for all of the C language.. *shudders* |
22:36:02 | HCl | i dunno |
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22:36:07 | Adity1 | well all as in the most common stuff |
22:36:10 | HCl | C syntax isn't that hard |
22:36:15 | | Nick Adity1 is now known as Aditya_ (~Aditya@pcp09495878pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net) |
22:36:26 | Aditya_ | its not the syntax.. its just a pain |
22:36:32 | HCl | hm? |
22:36:51 | Aditya_ | hmm |
22:37:01 | Aditya_ | so thats why my batteries are dying so quickly |
22:38:01 | Aditya_ | this logitech software apparently puts ur keyboard+mouse on "idle" when you are not using them so ur batteries dont run out quickly.. |
22:38:13 | Aditya_ | I apparently didn't have this installed after I reinstalled XP |
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22:41:57 | amiconn | Good evening Hanover |
22:42:06 | XShocK | hello |
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22:42:41 | [IDC]Dragon | hi there |
22:43:11 | amiconn | Maybe I found the cause for rld... :) |
22:43:12 | [IDC]Dragon | just a quick one from my webpad |
22:43:20 | [IDC]Dragon | saw that |
22:43:24 | amiconn | Ah |
22:43:35 | [IDC]Dragon | brought me here... |
22:43:48 | amiconn | Now I only need a shaky environment to test with my player... |
22:44:09 | [IDC]Dragon | painful typing |
22:44:16 | amiconn | Look at ata.c, ata_read_sectors().... |
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22:45:32 | [IDC]Dragon | not now, i'm in bed already |
22:45:35 | amiconn | Take a look at Line 499, then lines 573/ 608/ 620, then line 628. Then take a look at ata_soft_reset() |
22:45:57 | [IDC]Dragon | just wanted to cheer |
22:46:15 | amiconn | What does that tell you? Eeek! mutex_lock(&ata_mtx) within mutex_lock(&ata_mtx) ! |
22:46:38 | [IDC]Dragon | no good, indeed |
22:47:20 | amiconn | Hmm, there's something I wanted to ask you.... but I don't remember atm |
22:47:33 | [IDC]Dragon | our mutexes should not lock if already owned by the same thread... |
22:47:50 | amiconn | Promoting sloppy coding? |
22:47:57 | [IDC]Dragon | in win32, they don't |
22:48:28 | [IDC]Dragon | or give a warning for debuging |
22:49:20 | amiconn | Same as above goes for ata_write_sectors() of course |
22:49:31 | [IDC]Dragon | btw, rockbox 2.0 was the plugin system |
22:49:53 | [IDC]Dragon | maybe 3.0 is no rld |
22:50:02 | amiconn | Hmm, maybe I don't remember correctly? |
22:50:02 | HCl | rld? |
22:50:38 | amiconn | Afair, rb 2.0 was the first version I had on my recorder. I'm quite sure this didn't have plugins, but some games in the main menu |
22:50:53 | amiconn | HCl: Red Led Death |
22:51:09 | [IDC]Dragon | red light death, a loong maintained bug |
22:51:13 | amiconn | Meaning a deadlock on harddisk access, with the red led constantly on |
22:51:22 | [IDC]Dragon | our classic |
22:51:45 | Bagder | plugins came in 2.1 |
22:51:53 | [IDC]Dragon | oh |
22:51:58 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/download/old.html |
22:52:21 | [IDC]Dragon | i thought flasing came in 2.1 |
22:52:32 | amiconn | Bagder: So my memory wasn't wrong :) |
22:52:38 | [IDC]Dragon | must have been 2.2 then |
22:52:59 | [IDC]Dragon | my first was 1.4 |
22:53:20 | [IDC]Dragon | that's how i started |
22:54:16 | amiconn | Bagder: So was there anything special that justified 2.0? |
22:54:25 | [IDC]Dragon | i still keep a 1.4 variant with infrared control capability |
22:54:38 | Bagder | amiconn: I don't remember what made us take the jump |
22:54:39 | amiconn | Infrared? |
22:54:41 | [IDC]Dragon | rc5 patcj |
22:54:56 | [IDC]Dragon | patch |
22:55:04 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Is there no way to port it to current rockbox? |
22:55:35 | [IDC]Dragon | sure there is, nobody demanded |
22:55:38 | amiconn | Bagder: Should it perhaps become rockbox standard that a <n>.4 version is followed by a <n+1>.0 ? |
22:55:49 | amiconn | ;) |
22:55:54 | Bagder | I'm game! ;-) |
22:56:03 | amiconn | 3.0 would be due then... |
22:56:07 | [IDC]Dragon | pental numbering? |
22:56:15 | amiconn | rofl |
22:56:45 | amiconn | 4.4 −−> 10.0 |
22:56:57 | * | Bagder giggles |
22:56:58 | [IDC]Dragon | go fix that rld first... |
22:57:34 | amiconn | I'll need a way to reliably reproduce hd retries |
22:58:09 | amiconn | Btw, I observed that this hitachi hd wants to retry quite often when running on usb from battery power only |
22:58:12 | [IDC]Dragon | or post a test version |
22:58:33 | amiconn | Windows always manages to recover after some seconds |
22:59:24 | amiconn | Perhaps I should power the unit from my lab supply, with lowest voltage and current limiter lowered too... |
22:59:29 | [IDC]Dragon | if you see the lock from the program flow, no fufther experinents required |
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23:00:06 | amiconn | I need experiments for seeing/ tuning the behaviour when I resolve the deadlock |
23:00:09 | [IDC]Dragon | my padding fing hurts from typing |
23:00:21 | [IDC]Dragon | finger |
23:00:42 | [IDC]Dragon | goodnight |
23:00:54 | amiconn | 'night |
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23:18:29 | t0mas | infrared? |
23:18:40 | HCl | ? |
23:18:47 | t0mas | <[IDC]Dragon> i still keep a 1.4 variant with infrared control capability |
23:19:01 | t0mas | archos as a device with infrared? |
23:19:17 | HCl | sounds like we need to port that feature to the current version |
23:19:30 | HCl | its pointless to remove features when they're possible and we already have the source to them o.o |
23:19:31 | t0mas | with wat infrared port? :P |
23:19:41 | t0mas | *what |
23:20:01 | HCl | i dunno |
23:21:48 | amiconn | t0mas: Probably hooked up to the SH1 serial port, dunno |
23:22:05 | amiconn | This was never part of mainline rockbox, but a patch (iiuc) |
23:22:41 | t0mas | hm.. |
23:22:46 | amiconn | ...needing a hardware mod of course |
23:22:51 | t0mas | yes |
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23:23:05 | t0mas | the iriver had a spare rx and tx pin on the main board right? |
23:23:20 | t0mas | someone read some numbers from it when iriver firmware was playing |
23:23:21 | HCl | yes. |
23:23:23 | amiconn | However, some features that also need a hardware mod are part of mainline rockbox code, enabled by extra #defines |
23:23:41 | amiconn | (8 MB ram, rtc alarm wakeup for the v1 recorder to name some) |
23:24:01 | HCl | heh, would it be possible to mod an rtc into iriver? :P |
23:24:17 | amiconn | I dunno, maybe it's even prepared on the pcb? |
23:25:03 | t0mas | hm... maybe linus knows |
23:25:13 | amiconn | This is sometimes frustrating; the Ondio pcb has pads & traces for a neat el backlight, but no Ondio was seen with these parts actually mounted |
23:25:43 | t0mas | can't you just mount some small type leds in? |
23:25:49 | amiconn | ...and still, archos re-did the layout for this part when the old el driver chip was no longer available (!!) |
23:26:21 | amiconn | t0mas: Not enough space. leds would need a diffusor plate or similar |
23:26:49 | t0mas | replace the screen? :) |
23:26:56 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon got hold of that el driver chip and a small el foil and does now have a working el backlight |
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23:27:05 | HCl | :p |
23:27:21 | amiconn | Turns out the archos firmware even drives the backlight control pin (!!) |
23:27:27 | t0mas | LOL |
23:27:33 | rasher | haha |
23:27:51 | rasher | good stuff |
23:28:29 | HCl | well, if it didn't, it would be odd that they redid the layout, wouldn't it :) |
23:28:52 | t0mas | hmz... checking the pcb scans... |
23:29:03 | t0mas | I don't see any place for it... |
23:29:10 | amiconn | Just found it on [IDC]Dragon's site. The infrared control doesn't even need an internal mod of the archos. Just some circuitry hooked up to the remote control input pin... |
23:29:14 | t0mas | but I guess linus whould have noticed it then |
23:29:38 | amiconn | http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/infrared/archos_ir.gif |
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23:30:32 | t0mas | hm.. those iriver serial lines.. |
23:30:44 | t0mas | are we able to read to and write from them in rockbox? |
23:30:59 | HCl | not sure |
23:31:06 | amiconn | A driver would be needed, but it shouldn't be hard |
23:32:06 | t0mas | ok, and the line out... that's hooked up to the audio chip? |
23:32:10 | t0mas | or the cpu? |
23:32:24 | amiconn | dac, I'd guess |
23:32:36 | t0mas | hm.. only optical is linked to the cpu? |
23:34:34 | t0mas | good night |
23:36:51 | XShocK | one thing that i think will be good to do is to make some kind of filesystem in 2MB flashin iriver, for example to store some games, or codecs, so that it does not require hard disk startup each time. |
23:37:02 | XShocK | ex: jffs |
23:37:40 | XShocK | i guess it is not very new idea, but i still though it worths saying. :) |
23:37:47 | t0mas | hm... the most used codecs would be a nice idea |
23:38:18 | amiconn | Iirc the most used codecs will be builtin anyway |
23:38:24 | t0mas | ok |
23:38:30 | XShocK | i think there are maaaany things that can be storred there.. 2MB is not small |
23:38:46 | HCl | heh.. |
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23:38:57 | amiconn | 2 MB minus the iriver firmware, and/or rockbox |
23:39:16 | t0mas | rockbox flashed? :) |
23:39:22 | t0mas | like the archos has now? |
23:39:48 | amiconn | Once it runs stable, that would be a good idea imho |
23:40:02 | t0mas | hm.. it would speed up the booting even more I guess |
23:40:02 | XShocK | amiconn: what rockbox is ready, why would iriver original be needed anyway, actually if someone wants, nobody stops a person from running it from hard disk anyway |
23:40:21 | XShocK | i mean original firmware |
23:40:28 | t0mas | XShocK: when rockbox doesn't boot (devving trouble) then it's nice to have iriver firmware |
23:40:31 | t0mas | for usb... |
23:40:40 | amiconn | Of course, ockbox would need to offer an option to flash firmware |
23:41:04 | t0mas | and some low lever recovery mode... |
23:41:12 | t0mas | for when rockbox itself can't boot |
23:41:18 | HCl | loading iriver firmware from disk? |
23:41:21 | HCl | would that be possible? |
23:41:22 | amiconn | t0mas: YOu don't necessarily need iriver firmware for that. |
23:41:50 | amiconn | Did you read the conversation about bootbox for archos earlier this evening? |
23:42:02 | XShocK | do you think that flash can include both rockbox+codecs+ original firmware? i doubt it |
23:42:03 | amiconn | I can imagine something similar for iriver |
23:42:05 | t0mas | no, but I heard something about bootbox |
23:42:12 | t0mas | that would be a good idea |
23:43:41 | amiconn | XShocK: The 258 KB flash on archos can hold archos firmware + rockbox... |
23:43:48 | amiconn | *256 KB |
23:44:10 | amiconn | ...made possible by compression |
23:45:09 | * | t0mas is now really away :) |
23:45:12 | t0mas | bye |
23:45:26 | XShocK | amiconn: yes, but current mp3 realization is itself 260kb. :) |
23:45:38 | amiconn | Huh? |
23:45:53 | amiconn | That's huuuge |
23:45:55 | XShocK | mpa2wav |
23:46:17 | XShocK | but you are right, compressed it may be around 100 |
23:46:18 | amiconn | My guess is that most of it is just bss space |
23:46:24 | amiconn | Do you have a .map file? |
23:46:59 | XShocK | no. i just look at mpa2wav.rock file |
23:47:14 | amiconn | Yes, and the .rock is code+data+bss |
23:47:34 | amiconn | The .bss is most likely some static buffer, which isn't part of the codec |
23:48:01 | amiconn | Can someone compile an iriver build, and post mpa2wav.map somewhere? |
23:48:31 | amiconn | preglow? |
23:49:48 | XShocK | amiconn: it will be around 60-80 kb anyway |
23:49:58 | XShocK | compressed version is 56kb. |
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23:52:54 | XShocK | HCl: i think it is possible. we just copy it straight to ram, and run. since all algorithms of how iriver copies everything is known, it would not be a problem i hink. |
23:53:33 | rasher | rasher.dyndns.org/~rasher/mpa2wav.map">http://rasher.dyndns.org/~rasher/mpa2wav.map |
23:53:59 | amiconn | XShocK: Yes, something like the archos bootloader does, uncompressing it into the correct memory region(s) |
23:54:16 | amiconn | The rockbox flash bootloader for archos, I mean |
23:54:39 | amiconn | rasher: Thanks |
23:54:44 | XShocK | 150 kb of buffers |
23:55:30 | amiconn | mpa2wav: ~31 KB code, ~145 KB buffers, ~40 KB constants |
23:56:10 | XShocK | amiconn: how much space do we have in flash with original firmware? |
23:56:10 | rasher | that's a lot of constants |
23:56:28 | amiconn | plus ~29 KB in iram |
23:56:53 | XShocK | 40kb constants?? :) |
23:57:41 | amiconn | XShocK: Dunno. How big is the final .hex (iriver fw + bootloader)? |
23:57:57 | amiconn | XShocK: Yes, 40 KB constants (the .rodata section) |
23:57:58 | XShocK | amiconn: the same.. |
23:58:18 | XShocK | i think |
23:58:42 | XShocK | amiconn: since i think data is not placed in addition, it is just replaced by useless space of functions |