#rockbox 2005-05-19

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#rockbox log for 2005-05-19

00:00:15	I-R-Addict	this is true they do, but if u want to write one app, and have it instantly available on multiple platforms, it's excellent
00:00:40	I-R-Addict	just nothing to resource heavy, like writing limewire in java was a terrible idea
00:00:49	I-R-Addict	writing it period was terrible
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00:00:56	I-R-Addict	but even more so, because it was in java
00:01:23	HCl	amiconn: java is fairly fast..... its just the gui thats slow...
00:01:30	HCl	the recompiling can take a while when starting up..
00:01:54	amiconn	I've seen running non-gui java tad slow as well
00:01:54	HCl	and yea, big advantage is it runs on all major platforms
00:02:02	HCl	anyways.
00:02:04	HCl	i'm gonna cuddle my cat
00:02:09	HCl	cause thats more important than irc :p
00:02:10	HCl	afk.
00:02:23	I-R-Addict	it'll always be slower than C, asm, or C++
00:02:57	I-R-Addict	but for its capabilities, it does a good job of implementing them fairly fast
00:03:47	HCl	it needn't be slower than C
00:03:55	HCl	if you have a good virtual machine implementation
00:04:13	I-R-Addict	and a well powered computer
00:04:21	I-R-Addict	you take both languages, and run them on a 486
00:04:25	I-R-Addict	now thats a speed test
00:04:27	HCl	i think there's a java compiler based on gcc that makes native binarys from bytecode..
00:04:41	HCl	I-R-Addict: sure, as long as you don't optimize the C for the 486
00:05:33	I-R-Addict	hmm.. dunno bout the gcc one, gentoo uses blackdown java by default for it's sdk
00:05:48	I-R-Addict	and its a binary package
00:05:56	I-R-Addict	usually if they can, they stick to src packages
00:06:33	I-R-Addict	but definitly, java is a good language
00:06:46	I-R-Addict	depending on the need, but that is the same with any language
00:07:45	I-R-Addict	actually, interesting fact.. java was originally designed to run applicances, microwaves were the main target
00:07:52	preglow	java is slow
00:07:55	preglow	no doubt about it
00:08:00	preglow	it's an ok enough language
00:08:10	preglow	deciding not to have operator overloading sure was braindead
00:08:28	I-R-Addict	yea
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00:09:33	preglow	now, time for ale
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00:29:25	HCl	java is designed to prevent people from making mistakes and prevent unreadable code as much as possible
00:29:33	preglow	perl > *
00:29:34	preglow	:-)
00:31:32	HCl	:P
00:31:40	HCl	brainfuck > *
00:31:52	preglow	ahahha
00:31:56	HCl	know brainfuck?
00:31:57	HCl	:)
00:31:59	preglow	yes, i do
00:32:01	HCl	:P
00:32:03	preglow	i wrote an interpreter for it
00:32:03	HCl	fun fun.
00:32:12	HCl	i remember writing a ansi colored hello world in it
00:32:24	HCl	i believe it was during the same days when i wrote that polymorphing hello world program..
00:32:25	preglow	i've never written anything _IN_ it, heh
00:32:46	HCl	wuss :P
00:32:50	preglow	i have however written a ansi viewer
00:32:54	HCl	nice :)
00:33:01	preglow	it's still work in progress
00:33:25	HCl	i swear
00:33:28	HCl	winamp is the worst
00:33:31	HCl	when it gets to shuffle
00:33:34	preglow	i never use it
00:33:47	HCl	i use it cause i don't like the way foobar looks
00:34:02	preglow	i don't much care what things look like
00:34:22	preglow	and foobar does gapless
00:34:22	preglow	heh
00:34:32	HCl	i don't want gapless :P
00:34:37	preglow	i depend on it
00:34:41	HCl	i actually tried to get a gap plugin for winamp
00:34:43	HCl	it was crap :P
00:34:50	preglow	50% of what i listen to have no gaps
00:35:03	HCl	at least xmms has an "pause # sec between songs" option
00:35:10	HCl	i always listen to a mix of things
00:35:17	HCl	and metal straight after a soft song
00:35:21	HCl	is not nice
00:35:24	preglow	haha
00:35:31	preglow	i almost always listen to entire albums or entire mixes
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00:35:43	crashd	ahh
00:35:44	crashd	my eyes bur
00:35:45	crashd	n
00:35:50	preglow	nice
00:35:56	preglow	time for some disassembly, then
00:36:03	crashd	hehe
00:36:05	crashd	O.o
00:36:09	crashd	ida 4.8 supports thumb
00:36:20	crashd	but it still requires the user to select the 'thumb' bit within the disassembler
00:36:24	crashd	so it knows whats thumb
00:36:27	preglow	well, sure
00:36:30	crashd	as the binary i have is just raw
00:36:31	preglow	but looks like most things are thumb
00:36:35	HCl	4.8...
00:36:45	HCl	i wonder if they fixed that bug that made 4.7 crash on this one program i had
00:36:52	crashd	hehe
00:37:03	HCl	i had to revert to an older version :/
00:37:08	crashd	shame :\
00:37:10	crashd	4.7 is sweet
00:37:11	HCl	mhm
00:37:13	HCl	yea
00:37:14	HCl	i know :/
00:37:17	crashd	4.8 is sweeter ;)
00:37:22	HCl	mhm
00:37:29	HCl	i'll have to get it someday
00:37:31	preglow	crashd: but yeah, it looks like only the intterupt table and the decrypter is 32 bit arm
00:37:39	preglow	interrupt, even
00:37:43	crashd	yeah
00:38:38	crashd	could see if setting the thumb bit on most of the code brings up something legibly sane
00:39:30	HCl	h10 work?
00:39:47	crashd	trying to make it, yeah ;p
00:40:27	preglow	ida can export dumps, yeah?
00:40:33	preglow	in text, that is, i've only got 4.7
00:40:33	crashd	aye
00:40:46	preglow	but then again, i don't know thumb
00:40:51	preglow	so i'll have to read up on a reference first
00:40:57	crashd	lol, nor i :]
00:42:08	preglow	god knows how they can fit this many instructions in 16 bits
00:42:22	HCl	sneezes
00:44:19	crashd	how much did you guy pay for your ida licenses?
00:44:35	HCl	i didn't. evaluation version.
00:44:47	preglow	i'll just refrain from answering :P
00:44:50	crashd	hehe
00:45:05	preglow	oh well, i never use it
00:45:15	crashd	hehe
00:45:36	CoCoLUS	i think someones using an offical evaluation license prolonger program ;)
00:45:46	preglow	lies and slander
00:45:55	crashd	hehe
00:45:58	crashd	the eval only does win32
00:46:00	crashd	what use is that ;)
00:46:02	preglow	yup
00:46:18	preglow	which is kind of useless, when i needed coldfire support, heh
00:46:33	crashd	hehe
00:47:29	preglow	but still, the coldfire port gets away cheap, thanks to having a load of datasheets for all we need
00:47:39	preglow	a h10 project will not have that luxury, that's for sure
00:47:46	crashd	bastards, i wish portalplayer were half as open :\
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00:47:54	preglow	the ipodlinux people haven't even figured out how to use the second arm core yet
00:48:04	HCl	yea
00:48:07	HCl	that seems odd to me.
00:48:12	HCl	seeing how long the project has existed
00:48:20	HCl	why can't they just disassemble the original firmware?
00:48:22	preglow	it's been dormant for a loooong tme
00:48:23	preglow	time
00:48:32	HCl	ah well.
00:48:35	CoCoLUS	hm... did iriver give an answer to their linux-in-their-pmps-but-no-sourcecode problem?
00:48:35	preglow	and it seems to pretty dormat right now as well
00:48:43	*	HCl gets reminded of how his dad always confuses his iriver with an ipod...
00:48:51	preglow	CoCoLUS: hah, they haven't released source, no?
00:49:05	CoCoLUS	thats what i'm asking, but last time i read about it, they haven't
00:49:18	preglow	well, sure seems like they've done their resource
00:49:19	preglow	ehh
00:49:23	preglow	research
00:49:42	CoCoLUS	http://gpl-violations.org/
00:49:49	preglow	"this linux thing is up for grabs, right? no problems with just stealing it?"
00:49:56	preglow	"why, yes, no problems at all"
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00:50:22	CoCoLUS	though i can't find anything about iriver... hm...
00:50:31	preglow	it's hard to figure out if they're just stupid or actually expect to get away with it
00:50:41	HCl	a lot of people simply don't have the money to sue them.
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00:51:40	preglow	of course not
00:51:45	preglow	but still
00:51:55	preglow	it's being an asshole
00:52:00	CoCoLUS	bastards.
00:52:03	HCl	i guess
00:52:06	HCl	they should just release the source
00:53:11	CoCoLUS	is the pmp-x series familiar to the ihp-x?
00:53:27	CoCoLUS	(= would it -help- to have the sc?)
00:54:10	HCl	dunno
00:58:23	preglow	i believe the pmp's got a arm core and i ti dsp core
00:58:42	preglow	i = a, hyes
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01:13:22	HCl	could not connect to ultima online
01:13:25	HCl	hm
01:15:14	preglow	a good excuse to do some coding :V
01:17:19	*	amiconn tries to build cross-gcc 3.3.6 on his linux vm
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01:28:59	HCl	whats the :V smiley?
01:30:31	preglow	a guy i know dubbed it the duckbilled plattypus smiley
01:30:40	preglow	i just started using it because i think it looks neat, heh
01:30:54	HCl	um, okay :3
01:31:09	preglow	that looks like a guy with testicles for chins to me
01:31:18	preglow	in this particular font, at least
01:31:34	HCl	mk o.o
01:31:46	preglow	what's :3 meant to be?
01:31:54	HCl	something like :S
01:31:58	HCl	o.o
01:32:05	preglow	haha, now i'm more confused
01:32:13	crashd	>_<
01:32:15	HCl	:P never mind :p
01:32:20	preglow	aight, :>
01:33:24	ashridah	:\| makes more sense than :S
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01:33:40	preglow	:S looks like the elephant man, so yeah
01:33:47	HCl	lmao!
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01:35:17	HCl	running through the luff parade... o/'
01:35:18	I-R-Addict	any of you ever seen this: http://www.euronet.nl/users/frankvw/rants/microsoft/IhateMS.html (It's a really good paper)
01:35:24	HCl	i want music on iriver :/
01:36:07	crashd	i want linux on my iriver :/
01:36:15	HCl	i'm not keeping you
01:36:20	HCl	i'm just thinking its a fairly dumb idea :/
01:36:25	HCl	unless its an 3x0
01:36:29	crashd	well
01:36:43	crashd	there's numerous reasons, one of them is the pure 'why not' factor
01:36:49	crashd	which also seems to be somewhat driving behind rockbox ;)
01:36:51	HCl	i know plenty of answers to that
01:36:52	I-R-Addict	thats what i was saying
01:36:56	preglow	and i don't much care, if there's linux on it, there'll be rockbox on it as well
01:37:03	HCl	linux = slow on embedded systems
01:37:05	crashd	but, also, because i have a lot of music in chiptune format
01:37:08	HCl	slow as in not fast enough
01:37:12	crashd	and itd be nice to listen to that
01:37:14	HCl	it does not add any features whatsoever
01:37:18	preglow	crashd: why, we're planning on chiptune support
01:37:21	preglow	crashd: what format?
01:37:36	crashd	xi sid
01:37:41	preglow	xi =
01:37:41	preglow	?
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01:37:55	crashd	shrug. i think screamtracker could export it, or modtune
01:37:55	HCl	i'm curious though
01:37:55	crashd	hmm
01:38:02	HCl	what makes you think linux would help supporting that?
01:38:24	preglow	there are players for it already
01:38:30	crashd	quite a lot of the hardware platform already has drivers for linux
01:38:31	crashd	due to ipodlinux
01:38:36	preglow	though you'd need to make a lot of glue code
01:38:36	crashd	and porting a new app isnt particularly hard
01:38:44	HCl	preglow: but linux will be far too slow on embedded systems
01:38:49	preglow	no, it won't
01:38:51	crashd	hehe
01:38:53	crashd	uClinux
01:38:55	preglow	it'll be slower than rockbox, but not far too slow
01:39:01	HCl	well, okay.
01:39:02	HCl	too slow.
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01:39:15	crashd	seems to be doing ok on the ipod and mini..
01:39:18	HCl	too slow to run players on it for various formats realtime, at least.
01:39:23	HCl	crashd: no. it can't even manage mp3 on them.
01:39:31	HCl	only in console mode
01:39:32	preglow	it should manage realtime formats well
01:39:33	HCl	otherwise it stutters.
01:39:42	crashd	give them a chance HCl ;)
01:39:58	HCl	i do, i'm just saying, they don't have any usable playback on ipodlinux
01:40:02	HCl	the games added are nice though.
01:40:04	preglow	and them not managing realtime yet is because they haven't got a clue as to how to optimize
01:40:18	preglow	they've just straight ported c code
01:40:19	HCl	that, and not being able to use the second core
01:40:24	preglow	yup
01:40:38	crashd	so what your saying HCl , is that it could quit eeasily be optimised to run at realtime mp3?
01:40:41	crashd	;)
01:40:43	preglow	give them more info and time, and it'll probably run well
01:40:46	HCl	no O.o
01:40:54	crashd	hehe, <defeated>
01:40:58	HCl	optimizations are never easy..
01:41:03	HCl	frowns at crashd
01:41:04	HCl	anyways.
01:41:07	HCl	i got more important things to do
01:41:08	preglow	seconded
01:41:14	crashd	HCl: ultima ;)
01:41:16	HCl	than to jabber on about linux
01:41:16	preglow	they're boring as well
01:41:17	HCl	yup.
01:41:17	HCl	:)
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01:48:48	crashd	anywho, regardless of what I intend to run on my h10, the information gained in the process of getting something to run will be helpful to you guys if you ever decide to port to it ;)
01:49:02	preglow	of course
01:51:33	HCl	yup
01:52:02	preglow	debugging without printf() is so incredibly frustrating :///
01:52:12	crashd	heh
01:52:15	crashd	what u upto preglow ?
01:52:24	preglow	debugging a vst plugin i made for a pal
01:52:25	HCl	preglow
01:52:31	HCl	oh wait
01:52:33	HCl	not rockbox?
01:52:36	preglow	no
01:52:37	HCl	ok
01:52:38	HCl	nm then
01:52:39	HCl	:)
01:52:50	preglow	rockbox is pretty much on hold for me
01:53:01	HCl	try making your vst plugin write to a file?
01:53:19	HCl	is clueless
01:53:26	preglow	it's an incredibly subtle bug
01:53:31	HCl	i love those :P
01:53:33	HCl	not
01:53:33	preglow	things seems to work
01:53:38	preglow	but then crash after a while
01:53:40	preglow	but not always!
01:53:43	HCl	those have killed projects of mine before.
01:53:54	HCl	but those projects weren't oo, so hm.
01:54:05	preglow	n64?
01:54:08	HCl	mhm.
01:54:14	HCl	well
01:54:16	HCl	at least it ran pong
01:54:18	HCl	and mandelbrot
01:54:19	preglow	heh
01:54:21	HCl	and more demos.
01:54:27	HCl	even some 3d ones
01:54:37	crashd	urgh
01:54:40	crashd	im gonna go for a smoke then bed
01:54:44	crashd	see you guys on the moro :]
01:54:52	preglow	ait
01:54:55	preglow	gnite
01:54:55	HCl	night.
01:55:03	HCl	i should prolly head to bed too..
01:55:13	HCl	but i never want to ;x
01:55:17	crashd	hehe
01:55:21	crashd	it's such a chore to go to bed
01:55:29	preglow	haha
01:55:35	preglow	i rather enjoy it
01:55:41	preglow	but also put it off as much as possible
01:55:41	HCl	i don't like sleeping ;x
01:55:53	preglow	i love sleeping
01:55:59	preglow	best thing in the world
01:55:59	HCl	well
01:56:01	HCl	once i'm asleep
01:56:04	HCl	i don't want to get up
01:56:11	HCl	but i don't want to go to sleep, usually
01:56:11	HCl	:P
01:56:14	preglow	haha
01:56:33	preglow	i sure as hell don't want to get up
01:56:44	preglow	i'm near-suicidal when i have to get up before i want to
01:57:03	preglow	which is why i _really_ look forward to getting a job
01:58:12	preglow	hah, think i bloody got the bug
01:58:35	HCl	:P
01:58:37	amiconn	meh, building gcc takes ages :(
01:58:48	preglow	takes about fiften minutes here
01:58:52	HCl	i have a flatmate, who throws his alarmclock across his room while asleep
01:58:55	HCl	then wakes up 3 hours later
01:59:01	HCl	and finds his alarmclock at the other end of his room
01:59:08	HCl	and then tries to figure out what happened :P
01:59:28	preglow	haha
01:59:37	amiconn	preglow: Maybe 3.4.x is that fast. 3.3.x for SH takes quite some more time, because of the necessary workaround (adding newlib)
01:59:45	preglow	ahh
01:59:49	preglow	never did that
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02:00:02	amiconn	Understandable
02:00:41	preglow	god DAMN, this bug is elusive
02:00:42	preglow	arghhh
02:01:32	preglow	think i've found it, so comment in culprit code, but no, still works
02:05:29	HCl	hmmm
02:05:33	*	HCl found a loophole in uo
02:19:57	preglow	bah
02:20:03	preglow	suns on its way up again
02:20:12	preglow	time to prepare for bed
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02:32:14	HCl	mmmm
02:32:17	HCl	bed ish good.
02:32:19	HCl	night
02:33:23	preglow	agreed
02:33:26	preglow	gniht
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06:36:56	Josh_Files	Can someone please help me, When I play video, The audio lags behind the video
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07:06:49	Josh_Files	:(, No-One Wants to help me :(
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07:18:39	Josh_Files	Can someone please help me, When I play video, the video lags behind the audio
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07:19:35	Josh_Files	Well, only the videos I make myself
07:22:57	LinusN	i haven't tried to play videos myself
07:23:23	LinusN	i think i tried it once, a long time ago
07:23:34	LinusN	never converted any myself though
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07:51:43	wacky_	LinusN - are you one of the guys who work on the music-playing features for the iRiver ?
07:52:08	LinusN	yes
07:52:57	wacky_	and are you guys working in a sandbox somewhere ? you haven,t committed anything yet huh?
07:53:04	wacky_	to the cvs I mean
07:53:25	wacky_	how's the development going ?
07:53:36	LinusN	my changes are not committed yet
07:53:58	LinusN	development is going slow atm, too busy with real life and paid work
07:54:25	wacky_	have you guys determined a final structure for the API and everything ?
07:54:46	wacky_	yeah.. I understand :)
07:55:09	wacky_	but even if it's slow.. I appreciate what you guys do.
07:55:26	LinusN	i'm pretty much working out the api as i go
07:55:28	wacky_	hey ! I at least have an on-the-fly playlist support :)
07:55:33	LinusN	hehe
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09:49:46	Bagder	btw, gcc 4.0 is really shaky on lots of platforms so the coldfire and sh platforms are not necessary special cases here
09:53:21	LinusN	hehe
09:53:58	Bagder	it generats bad code on i386 and PPC too occationally
09:54:26	LinusN	ouch
09:54:29	dwihno	It does? Hm. So it might be a good idea to stick to 3.x for a while
09:54:34	Bagder	yes
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09:54:43	Bagder	Mac OS X Tiger has gcc4 by default
09:54:58	Bagder	and it bites ;-)
09:54:58	LinusN	shrug
09:55:23	dwihno	Sheesh...
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10:04:26	amiconn	Bagder: I did some experimentation to track down the 'fresh build' vs. 'rebuild' problem
10:04:44	amiconn	A lot of files doesn't get rebuilt if config variable(s) are changed
10:04:50	Bagder	yeps
10:04:52	Bagder	I know why
10:04:59	amiconn	For some of them this is expected, e.g. the string functions
10:05:02	Bagder	hm
10:05:03	Bagder	no
10:05:19	amiconn	...but some other also don't get rebuilt, like e.g. tree.c
10:05:24	Bagder	well, the depfile is only regenerated if a C source is modified
10:05:30	amiconn	...which is clearly wrong
10:05:43	amiconn	I have a suspicion what causes this
10:05:51	amiconn	The depfiles are far from complete
10:07:13	Bagder	what's missing?
10:07:19	Bagder	perhaps we should use -M and not -MM
10:07:24	Bagder	in make.inc
10:12:00	dwihno	Are there any major differences between -M and -MM?
10:12:28	Bagder	"-MM Like -M but do not mention header files that are found in system header directories..."
10:12:42	LinusN	ah
10:12:48	Bagder	but
10:13:07	Bagder	I just tried using -M instead, and it didn't work as I thought it would
10:13:27	Bagder	the output then lacked dependencies
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10:20:15	amiconn	Bagder: The output also lacks dependencies with -MM as in cvs
10:20:29	Bagder	what's missing then?
10:20:57	amiconn	dep-apps is ~10 KB, dep-firmware is ~16 KB
10:21:16	amiconn	This is not a cygwin problem; it also happens under linux
10:21:29	Bagder	ls -l apps/dep-apps
10:21:29	Bagder	-rw-r−−r−− 1 daniel daniel 66376 May 19 10:21 apps/dep-apps
10:22:00	amiconn	Strange...
10:22:23	Bagder	so can you see any specific files/deps that are missing?
10:22:47	amiconn	-rw-r−−r−− 1 Administrator Kein 10038 May 19 00:19 build/ndiofm/apps/dep-apps
10:24:55	Bagder	hm
10:24:59	Bagder	now I see that too
10:25:06	Bagder	weird
10:25:11	Bagder	if I remove the dep file and run make
10:25:18	Bagder	it becomes big
10:25:30	Bagder	if I do make clean and make, it gets small
10:25:46	amiconn	It contains dependencies for debug_menu.o, main.o, status.o, recorder/bmp.o, /recorder/icons.o, recorder/keyboard.o, recorder/widgets.o
10:25:51	amiconn	All others are missing
10:26:24	Bagder	I have an idea...
10:28:49	amiconn	Same thing happens when doing 'make clean; make' here
10:31:52	Bagder	I know why!
10:32:45	Bagder	lang.h is generated
10:32:50	Bagder	and doesn't exist the first time
10:33:30	Bagder	so it fails
10:33:30	amiconn	Hmm, so everything that depends on lang.h is missed?
10:33:36	Bagder	yes
10:33:36	amiconn	That's clearly wrong
10:33:53	Bagder	-MG is needed
10:34:39	Bagder	but not alone...
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10:38:24	Bagder	hm, -MG is no fun option...
10:39:12	Bagder	time for shell script magic
10:45:38	Bagder	ok, I think I have a fix
10:46:45	rasher	http://www.kroah.com/log/2005/05/18/#cp210x-take2 .. the lengths some companies will go to be complete assholes is astounding
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10:50:18	*	Bagder adds a good chunk of comment to explain this extension
10:51:57	Bagder	commit
10:52:05	Bagder	please try
10:53:23	Bagder	rasher: that is hard-to-read code ;-)
10:53:43	Bagder	they even obfuscated the printk()-lines ;-)
10:54:02	Bagder	printk("%\144\040\165\163\142_c\157nt\162o\154_\155\163g\040re\164u\162\156e\144 \045d\012", __LINE__ ...
10:54:19	rasher	Haha, I only looked at the example
10:55:03	Bagder	and all variables are O1101010 or l1010010 style
10:55:34	rasher	cripes
10:57:01	Bagder	I bet they just ran some existing program on the code
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11:01:04	rasher	I'd hope so
11:01:42	LinusN	hmmm, does the gpl really disallow obfuscation?
11:02:12	Bagder	no
11:02:31	Bagder	"it its preferred form" is the wording
11:04:59	LinusN	"The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it. "
11:05:08	Bagder	right
11:05:16	LinusN	for making modifications to it is the key
11:05:47	LinusN	the obfuscated version is obviously not the preferred form for modifications
11:06:04	LinusN	si i'd say they are violating the gpl
11:16:25	ashridah	rofl. that's pathetic. one token per line
11:17:04	ashridah	half of the obfuscation would take only a few minutes to fix. then working out what the functions and variables do would take ages
11:20:29	ashridah	but if it's based on pre-existing GPL code, one could in theory use some pattern matching software to at least single out the stuff that's non-standard.
11:20:35	ashridah	s/non-standard/not pre-existing/
11:21:03	LinusN	i'd say that isn't the issue
11:21:18	LinusN	they should be sued for violating the gpl
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11:32:18	ashridah	i agree
11:32:52	ashridah	it's clearly a violation of the copyrights, depending on interpretation. if they've released someone else's code in obfuscated form along with their own they deserve a good burning
11:39:20	amiconn	Bagder: Seems like the build is rebuilding all necessary files now, thank
11:39:26	Bagder	goodie
11:39:30	amiconn	I'll check it out in more detail this evening
11:39:53	amiconn	i.e. actually try the build on the unit
11:40:39	amiconn	Did you have a look at the simulator dependencies?
11:40:56	Bagder	no
11:41:04	Bagder	they would suffer from this too of course
11:41:56	amiconn	I wonder why the common library 'make' is called twice...
11:42:18	amiconn	...the second time being after linking, i.e. useless for sure
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16:22:53	Bagder	that's the res of a h3x0 lcd?
16:25:05	Bagder	220x176?
16:27:14	Bagder	18bit color seems to not be that common in graphic lcd controllers
16:29:48	amiconn	18 bit exists for a looong time
16:29:54	Bagder	sure
16:30:08	Bagder	but I look at a list of epson lcd controllers
16:30:16	amiconn	Ah ok
16:30:17	Bagder	and I can't see one that has 18 bit support
16:30:54	Bagder	since it was mentioned the h3x0 _might_ be an epson, I just searched around to see
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17:04:58	amiconn	Bagder: The wiki mentiones TFS
17:06:10	Bagder	yes, but that is likely not the right one
17:14:14	Bagder	ah, found an epson
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18:47:50	rubberglove	hiya...anyone about?
18:47:55	HCl	sortof.
18:48:36	rubberglove	me too. i'm trying to figure out the 'automatic bookmarking' on the text plugin...
18:49:00	HCl	ah.
18:49:25	rubberglove	does it ...work? seems to always go to the beginning of the file.
18:49:33	HCl	i have no idea.
18:49:49	HCl	i never read text on my mp3 player
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18:51:07	rubberglove	ah. i read lots - beats carrying a book around. this was on the forum yesterday "The text viewer has automatic bookmarks since today's daily build. It will automatically resume where you left off last time."
18:51:33	rubberglove	is there something special i need to do for bookmarks?
18:51:43	HCl	heh
18:51:49	HCl	no idea
18:52:09	rubberglove	cool. thanks anyhoo,..
18:52:20	*	HCl tries to see how a tiny mp3 player screen would be more readable than a book, but fails..
18:53:15	rubberglove	it's not as bad as it seems it would be, reading on the little screen... plus, it fits in my pocket and i ALWAYS have it on me ... grin.
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18:53:56	HCl	heh o.o
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18:55:05	rubberglove	also a bit curious about the greyscale patch... is the performance any slower (rockboy)?
18:57:42	HCl	no
18:57:52	HCl	maybe a tiny tiny bit
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21:13:36	t0mas	hi
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21:50:54	Moos	hi all
21:56:00	Moos	it's quite today :)
21:56:42	t0mas	hm
21:56:42	t0mas	ues
21:56:44	t0mas	*yes
21:57:01	Moos	hi t0mas
21:57:12	t0mas	hi
21:58:17	t0mas	hm...
21:58:23	t0mas	Moos? can you say t0mas again?
21:58:48	Moos	what?
21:58:53	t0mas	just my name
21:58:56	t0mas	testing my new client
21:59:14	Moos	yes i can see your name in list
21:59:21	t0mas	no say...
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22:00:13	Moos	t0mas :)
22:00:15	t0mas	tnx
22:01:35	Moos	what client you use?
22:01:53	t0mas	Xchat
22:02:17	t0mas	but I misconfigured text events for hilight messages
22:02:29	t0mas	(and discovered that when you said "hi t0mas"
22:02:30	t0mas	)
22:02:30	Moos	:(
22:03:00	Moos	a ok
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22:03:36	]RowaN[	whoops i dropped my iriver today.. now it only boots into rockbox, wont boot original firmware anymore
22:03:50	]RowaN[	so i'll beh appy when mp3 support is achieved heh
22:04:00	Moos	:)
22:04:23	]RowaN[	i thought it would be the other way around.. seen as rockbox is the one running from hd
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22:05:29	t0mas	woops
22:05:51	t0mas	]RowaN[: tried scandisk on it?
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22:07:45	Moos	try to reflash original version
22:08:23	t0mas	erm... that's impossible if that one isn't booting
22:08:50	]RowaN[	scandisk says its ok.. just doing a surface scan now.. taking hours
22:08:56	]RowaN[	but making progress
22:11:08	Moos	t0mas: true
22:12:13	I-R-Addict	mm, might be a stupid question but, what is a surface scan going to do, when the problem is in botting from the flash memory ?
22:12:20	I-R-Addict	err booting
22:13:31	t0mas	I don't think the problem is booting from flash
22:13:47	t0mas	the problem is that the iriver firmware reads alle files while booting
22:13:57	I-R-Addict	ahh i c
22:13:59	t0mas	so when it can't read some files (disk errors) it won't boot
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22:33:15	]RowaN[	wow so i i HADNT have put rockbox on my iriver, it would truley be dead!
22:33:27	]RowaN[	gawd bless rockbox =]
22:34:04	Moos	try to remove some files from your player
22:34:33	]RowaN[	just waiting for surface scan to complete first, its taken about an hour to do 40%
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23:30:40	]RowaN[	well, the scan completed
23:34:04	I-R-Addict	and, are you doomed ? :/
23:34:40	]RowaN[	no reported errors
23:35:34	Rick	<]RowaN[> whoops i dropped my iriver today.. now it only boots into rockbox, wont boot original firmware anymore <- sure the iriver is charged?
23:35:35	I-R-Addict	hmm.. thas not good
23:35:38	I-R-Addict	well, it is
23:35:40	I-R-Addict	but it isn't
23:35:41	]RowaN[	YAY original firmware booting now!
23:35:50	I-R-Addict	lol nice
23:36:13	]RowaN[	few im so lucky... time to make a backup of 14gigs mp2s hehe
23:36:14	I-R-Addict	ahahahahahaha, just saw this futureshop commerical
23:36:22	I-R-Addict	has the huge guy jogging
23:36:33	I-R-Addict	and he says "if i had an mp3 player, i'd actually be enjoying this."
23:37:23	Rick	hehe
23:37:30	Rick	what brand is it advertising?
23:37:35	I-R-Addict	no brand
23:37:38	I-R-Addict	just futureshop
23:37:43	Rick	ah
23:37:45	Rick	dunno what futureshop is
23:37:56	I-R-Addict	umm.. canadian/american technology store
23:38:00	Rick	ah
23:38:04	I-R-Addict	owned by Best Buy
23:38:06	]RowaN[	hmm having a hard time reading some files on the iriver hd
23:38:11	MoosCamaro	]RowaN[ : congratulations
23:38:36	Rick	]RowaN[: if you can, check and see if your hd is completely plugged in
23:38:50	]RowaN[	ive never taken my iriver apart
23:39:08	]RowaN[	some mp3s play fine.. some.. cant seem to be read it seems, bugger
23:39:11	Rick	I remember someone else saying they were having hd problems and after taking the hd out and plugging it back in
23:39:14	Rick	it worked properly again
23:39:32	I-R-Addict	is the hdd just regular IDE ?
23:39:50	MoosCamaro	]RowaN[: backup and format
23:40:02	]RowaN[	format it from windows rite?
23:40:10	I-R-Addict	yea
23:40:11	I-R-Addict	Fat32
23:40:14	I-R-Addict	actually
23:40:20	I-R-Addict	the iRiver has a format thing in it now
23:40:23	Rick	yup
23:40:26	Rick	the latest one does
23:40:29	Rick	never used it though
23:40:30	I-R-Addict	yea
23:40:30	Rick	has anyone else?
23:40:33	I-R-Addict	nope
23:40:54	MoosCamaro	no
23:41:14	I-R-Addict	the reason they put it, is because winXP/2000 bitch when formatting over 32GB.. so it was impossible to format the 40GB iRivers in Windows
23:41:19	I-R-Addict	well.. a new windows anyway
23:41:49	I-R-Addict	is it jusat me, or is Microsoft's technology downgrading ? lol.
23:42:00	I-R-Addict	my win95 boot disk can format 80GB in fat32
23:42:02	I-R-Addict	but winxp can't
23:42:14	MoosCamaro	:)
23:42:50	I-R-Addict	it's all in the name of user-friendliness i tell you !
23:42:57	I-R-Addict	... really, it is...
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