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#rockbox log for 2005-05-25

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08:31:13dwihnoLinusN: Do you have any good ideas how to test the performance of some routines I've written?
08:32:12dwihnoplease share them :)
08:33:27LinusNit all depends on the platform and the nature of the routines
08:35:17LinusNis it rockbox?
08:35:53dwihnoplain x86 application
08:36:03dwihnoFor what I've heard, perhaps gprof is an alternative?
08:38:13LinusNor you can just call the same routing X times and use a stopwatch
08:40:03dwihnothat's what I thought of first
08:40:24dwihnoAlthough it seems like gprof gives you more information how the CPU time is spent and so forth
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08:40:41LinusNtry it
08:40:57dwihno-g flag for gcc?
08:42:34LinusNand for the linker
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08:45:27dwihnoI probably shouldn't test the performance. There will be nothing but dissappointment
08:45:51ashridahperformance of?
08:49:09gromit`there is also kcachegrind
08:49:19gromit`dunno whether ti is a good tool or not
08:49:25dwihnosome math routines I'm working on. not related to the rockbox project
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08:53:53LinusNdwihno: you need -pg too
08:55:10dwihnoLinusN: Ah. Didn't get no gmon.out :)
08:55:39LinusNit's all in the gprof manual, google for gprof
08:57:20dwihnoI just wonder why both -g and -pg are needed
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08:58:22dwihno*tests the code*
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08:59:43dwihnoAnd it didn't break!
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09:01:28dwihno19998001 calls to a single-line routine :/
09:02:03LinusNcan you say "inline"? :-)
09:03:17dwihnois an inline faster than #define:ing the routine?
09:04:02LinusNbut it is often easier to code
09:04:17LinusNand debug, for that matter
09:04:37LinusNthe drawback is that you'll lose the profiling info for that function
09:04:46dwihnoalso true
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09:23:34Bagermorning :)
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09:31:55B4gderhi Z
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09:33:27B4gdercoffee time
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09:40:09dwihnoHow many bits is a number with a length of 20 000 digits?
09:41:24ze2^14 is 16384 possibilities 2^15 is 32768
09:41:35zeso 15 i guess
09:41:45zeer no
09:41:49zenevermind, that many digits
09:41:50zehell i dunno :p
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09:47:02bobTHCmornin' folks !
09:54:11Bagerdwihno where did you find such enormous number ?
09:54:22Bagerand what's the base of this number
09:58:29dwihnobase 10
09:58:42dwihnoBager: Just toying around with some stuff
10:01:47zethat'd be what 10^19999 i guess?
10:02:08Bagersure not
10:02:25zefor 20000 digits?
10:02:53zei'm not that good at math
10:03:05zeand the biggest calculating in perl'll give me in actual digits is 10^14 which has 15 digits
10:03:21zeisn't that the same thing?
10:03:45zeor well no i guess thats 10^20000
10:04:03zethat doesn't give 20001 digits? heh
10:04:10B4gderuse bc
10:04:39B4gdercount the bits
10:05:09*ze waits
10:07:00*LinusN dances a little "the-damn-ST10F168-emulator-is-working" dance
10:07:18B4gderah, that's a fine dance
10:07:21dwihnothe damn what who where?
10:07:32LinusNwork related
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10:07:49LinusNst10f168 is a cpu we're using at work
10:08:08LinusNand the damn lauterbach emulator refused to work
10:08:31LinusNi love lauterbach emulators, but this one wasn't nice to me
10:08:48Bagerdwihno a little above 3 bits for one power of 10 ...
10:10:30BagerLinusN congrats
10:14:24bobTHCoo , big move in scandinavian telco : "Telenor Acquires Bredbandsbolaget and Cybercity"
10:14:52Bageri have one question regarding USB 1.1 Host funct of iRiver H3x0 series ... i think that it gives us the opportunity of supporting other devices besides UMS ... such as input (keyboard), bluetooth, ... P2P protocol (canon cameras)...
10:15:05ashridahdwihno: just use the BigInteger class in java to work it out. garunteed precision :)
10:15:25dwihnoashridah: C and java aren't that good friends ;)
10:15:26tedboerBager: i believe it is only to connect usb storage devices
10:15:28ashridahBagder: actually, i'm betting it doesn't. 10:1 it's a feature of the usb chipset in the device :)
10:15:55Bagerashridah what do you mean ?
10:16:26Bagerafaik the chip is generic USB 1.1 Host ...
10:16:33ashridahBagder: ie, the usb-host side of it is probably a feature of the usb chipset the device has, not a software component
10:16:55Bagerashridah, I don't think so
10:18:45Bagerin fact, even iriver are promissing possible support of more devices through future firmware upgrades
10:19:14ashridahaah. fair enough. would have assumed they cheaped out. could explain why the speed of it sucks tho :)
10:20:16Bagerfrom the datasheet
10:20:17BagerThe ISP1362 is a single-chip Universal Serial Bus (USB) On-The-Go (OTG) controller
10:20:17Bagerintegrated with the advanced Philips Slave Host Controller (PSHC) and the Philips
10:20:17DBUGEnqueued KICK Bager
10:20:17BagerISP1181B Device Controller (DC). The USB OTG controller is compliant with
10:20:17BagerOn-The-Go Supplement to the USB 2.0 Specification Rev. 1.0a. The host and device
10:20:17***Alert Mode level 1
10:20:17Bagercontrollers are compliant with Universal Serial Bus Specification Rev. 2.0, supporting
10:20:19Bagerdata transfer at full-speed (12 Mbit/s) and low-speed (1.5 Mbit/s).
10:20:51ashridahBager: that said, i suggest someone a) getting music working, plus others on the H1xx then b) works on porting rockbox to the 3xx before c) doing crazy things with usb-on-the-go :)
10:21:04ashridahplayable music will probably attrack people skilled in usb type things.
10:21:13Bagerashridah yeah
10:21:18Bageryou're right
10:22:17zedwihno: i think its about 66436 bits
10:22:30dwihnoze: sounds reasonable
10:24:18Bagerso do i
10:25:20zethat'll get you to 20000 digits but not through every number that has 20000 digits
10:26:25Bagerso you need ~ 3 bits more
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10:28:21B4gderecho "2^66439" | bc | awk '{ len =length($0)-1; } END { print len}'
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10:28:37B4gder... 20000
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10:30:32zeB4gder: that gives me 8 ... heh
10:31:04B4gderyou must not have the same tools I do ;-)
10:31:04dwihno8 here too :)
10:31:17dwihnoyou've tampered with your tools! ;)
10:31:18ze> echo "2^66439" | bc | tr -d '\\' | tr -d '\n' | wc -c
10:31:52zeand also:
10:31:53zeif (2^66438>=10^20000-1) 1 else 0;
10:31:53DBUGEnqueued KICK ze
10:31:53zeif (2^66439>=10^20000-1) 1 else 0;
10:32:25B4gderthat is good bc magic
10:32:35zei didn't know bc had if statements till i tried it figuring this out
10:32:45B4gderbc simply rocks
10:34:06zeyeah it seems to
10:34:10zei oughtta use it more often heh
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10:52:52ashridahyeah, bc is actually a good scriptable arbitrary precision calculator
10:55:15dwihnoyou've tampered with your tools! ;)
11:05:02B4gderI no longer like qt
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11:14:46ashridahB4gder: what changed your mind?
11:15:56B4gdertheir ugly "C extensions"
11:16:14B4gdercplusplus (can't type plus with the cgi client)
11:16:55B4gderso I need to process the source file with a special qt-compiler first, then compile
11:17:16ashridahheh, yeah
11:31:04HCli never liked qt :p
11:33:31ashridahmm. i've never really liked working with QT either. wxwindows irritates me a bit too. too much macro magic
11:36:54HClah well, nothing is worse than the windows api
11:37:33CtcpIgnored 2 channel CTCP requests in 11 minutes and 36 seconds at the last flood
11:37:33*HCl shivers at SendMessage()
11:37:41B4gderI prefer to avoid gui programming all together
11:37:46HCl :P
11:38:08dwihnoHCl: So what GUI toolkit do you prefer?
11:38:08HClwhen i code for windows, i usually use borland's c++ builder
11:38:26HCli've never really coded anything graphical for linux
11:39:12B4gderlunch time
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11:45:16dwihnoHCl: But using borlands builder, you need to use win32 api as well?
11:45:31HClborland made their own api
11:45:33HClon top of the windows one
11:45:40HClyou don't have to deal with the actual windows api that way :)
11:49:57dwihnoHCl: Sounds fishy
11:53:27amiconnImho the win32 api is easier to use than x11
11:55:59bobTHCtroll inside ?
11:56:52ashridahamiconn: a dirty stick is easier to use as an api to a windowing environment than x11
11:57:21ashridahdwihno: they've done it a few times actually. most recent was the one they used for kylix, which everyone ignored
11:58:02dwihnoashridah: cool!
11:58:33dwihnoashridah: Never touched kylix
12:02:53ashridahit wasn't that great.
12:03:03ashridahdelphi was dying at the time anyway
12:03:39dwihnodelphi is still around :)
12:03:51ashridahand kylix was a completely new api, so it faced the same battles apple's new api did when they released osX. except instead of being dragged kicking and screaming, people just said "eh" and ignored it
12:15:08ashridahwhich is a pity, since it was supposedly cross platform
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12:17:22webguest17any news on the iriver?
12:17:44ashridahslow and steady wins the race
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12:18:44mrelwoodi bet there are a lot of eager people waiting for the iriver to happen.
12:22:05DMJClike me
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12:22:36HClwell, i mostly want mp3 playback to work
12:22:42HClso i can continue on runtimedb and searchengine
12:22:47HClbut first, lunch.
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12:37:19LinusNthe h300 lcd remote has a blue backlight
12:37:45LinusNi liked the white backlight of the h100 remote much better
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12:39:07BagerLinusN i haven't seen h100's remote, but i don't think that the blue backlight of H3x0's is bad ...
12:39:25amiconnLinusN: I thought the h300 remote doesn't have an lcd, and that you could use the h100 lcd remote on a h300 too?
12:39:26LinusNnot bad, just worse :-)
12:39:39Bageramiconn there is, as an accessory
12:39:56Bagerbut it's difficult to obtain one
12:40:03LinusNamiconn: the h300 comes with a lcd-less remote, but you can (in korea) buy a separate lcd remote for the h300
12:40:33LinusNand the h100 remote works on the h300, and vice versa
12:40:57LinusNi got mine from misticjeff
12:41:09Bageri got mine from korea :)
12:41:22LinusNi don't have the lcd-less remote though
12:41:43BagerLinusN where did you buy your H3x0 from ?
12:41:53Bageris it new
12:42:01LinusNa guy from misticriver
12:42:11LinusNbroken hard drive
12:42:14Bagerworking unit ?
12:42:20LinusNyes it works
12:42:46LinusN(and currently the hard drive too, but i don't trust it)
12:42:48HCli think my h140 remote has a blue backlight?
12:43:05LinusNit's blueish white
12:43:15LinusNbut the h300 remote is a lot more blue
12:43:39Bagerthat's cosmetic defect ;)
12:43:43HClh140 already looks pretty blue to me
12:43:45HClbut okay
12:44:49BagerLinusN how did you repair the HDD ?
12:44:54LinusNi didn't
12:44:56B4gderyou should take a comparison photo!
12:45:15LinusNBagder: but i have a few spare hd's
12:45:27LinusNB4gder: yes
12:46:42LinusNBager, Bagder, B4gder ... my nick completion has a hard time :-)
12:47:31Bageri asked Bagder whether he has any objections about my nick, but he didn't say anything
12:48:12B4gderwe should all use nicks matching B*er
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12:49:53Bagerso i'm in a step before most of people here
12:52:29HCli got my iriver battery replacement
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12:52:51BagerHCl IONITY ?
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12:56:36BagerIonity is brand
12:56:41Bagerbut it's 2000mAh
12:56:44HCloh, no idea
12:56:57HClit doesn't say
12:57:07HClmodel: up325385a4
12:57:09Bagertheir batteries are very famous
12:57:15Bagerin misticriver
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13:03:51rasherLinusN: Interested in a ihp-100? A Dane has one for sale for 1400 dkk
13:08:20LinusNi wonder if H100 and H115 are the same hardware
13:09:06rasherwould be convenient
13:09:36rasherit may have been sold by now though
13:09:39LinusNthere's an h115 for sale on ebay
13:09:51Bagerafaik there is also h110 ? or i'm wrong
13:10:51LinusNcan't find it
13:11:47rasherh100 is 10gb right?
13:12:57LinusNthink so
13:13:09rasherAt least that's what this person says
13:13:09Bager iHP-140=40Gb
13:13:46rasherwould make sense if 100 and 110 were the same I guess
13:13:50amiconnand afaik iHP-100 == H-100, iHP-110 == H-115
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13:14:07amiconnerm, iHP-100 == H-110
13:14:30DMJCanyone put an 80gb hdd in yet?
13:14:34Bagerthats ... stupid...
13:14:42LinusNDMJC: do they exist?
13:14:44Bager1.8" ?
13:14:59Bagerthey are planned, but not produced yet, afaik
13:15:00DMJCdual platter
13:15:08DMJCso 140's should be able to handle them
13:15:47DMJChmm I can see 60 gb 1.8
13:15:54DMJCI've heard that 80 was out
13:16:37Bagereven 60GB's cannot be found easy
13:16:42Bagerand are very expensive
13:17:37Bager 10GB : H110
13:17:37Bager15GB : H115
13:17:37Bager20GB : H120
13:17:37Bager40GB : H140
13:18:30*LinusN wants to buy a tascam 234 on ebay, but they ship to usa only :-(
13:18:35rasherapparently the ihp names were different
13:18:44LinusNand it weighs a ton
13:19:22DMJCihp-140 = 40gb model
13:22:32preglowLinusN: some people can be made to ship to europe if you just mail and ask
13:22:45preglowin any case, they seldom kill you for asking
13:28:50LinusNpreglow: it weighs 10kg :-)
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13:30:19B4gderhey, rent a container and have it shipped to xmas! ;-)
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13:34:14preglowLinusN: haha
13:35:17BagerTASCAM 234 Syncaset
13:35:38preglow8 track cassette recorder?
13:35:48preglowno, 4 track
13:36:00preglowdamn, i haven't touched tapes for at least 10 years
13:36:16Bager4-track rackmountable cassette recorder/reproducer with dbx and 3 3/4 IPS tape speed.
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13:37:31LinusN$180 for UPS delivery :-)
13:38:10Bagerwhat's unit's price ?
13:38:43redwoodLinusN - I had a 234 many years ago, great machine, but I'm curious as to why you're buying such old technology?
13:39:16LinusNredwood: i have lots of old 234 recordings that i want to rescue
13:39:26redwoodi fifgured something like that!
13:39:32redwoodme too
13:40:16redwoodmake sure you get the model with the right speed they made them in std spoeed and double
13:40:41LinusNi didn't know
13:41:15redwoodmost I've seen run @ double, but I've seen at least 2 that were standard
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13:43:56LinusN3 234's on ebay right now, all in usa
13:44:49redwoodquite a few for sale in classifieds as well, but they probably won't want to ship internationally
13:45:00LinusNguess not
13:46:09redwoodif you know anyone who still duplicates cassettes you might be able to use the master deck to dump your masters down - the Kaba machines run @ 3-3/4 ips and have 4 outputs
13:46:24redwoodthat's what I ended up doing
13:46:52LinusNproblem is i used dbx compression
13:47:10redwoodmust get the exact beast then
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14:16:32ashridahHCl: why are you replacing the battery? longer life? or dead existing battery?
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14:40:42HClashridah: longer life
14:40:48HClmy iriver had quite a surgery
14:40:52HClbut we put the new battery in :)
14:41:45ashridahwhat're you going to do with the old one?
14:42:10HCli dunno
14:42:26rasherkeep it around if the other explodes?
14:42:34HCli ended up destroying the old one's connector
14:42:36HClwhile removing it
14:42:43HClso it just has two wires now
14:43:02HClthe charger socket is right behind the plug
14:43:13HCland it makes it really hard to get the plug out or in
14:43:17ashridahyou realise, of course, that lithium is highly unstable.... >:)
14:43:21HCl :P
14:46:34Bagerthe iriver h1x0 and h3x0 are Li-Pol, not just Li-Ion
14:46:52BagerLi-Pol are far more stable than Li-Ion
14:47:46Bager <= these guys don't stop to astonish me
14:53:15ashridahBagder: they can still go boom.
14:53:30Bagerof course
14:57:01LinusNtime to go
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15:19:40preglowcvs has for some reason decided that my copy of imdct_mf5249.S is "in the way"
15:23:34B4gderrename it, cvs update, rename it back
15:24:29Bagerpreglow any progress ? :)
15:25:32preglowBager: no, not really, quite the oposite, actually, i'm taking out an optimization that isn't fast enough
15:26:32Bagerdo you already know why it's slower than first version? i suppose that you don't ...
15:26:44preglowif i knew that, it wouldn't be slower anymore, heh
15:26:49preglowi have no time to look at it
15:26:57preglowlinus said he might, so i'm stuffing it in the patch tracker
15:27:53preglowB4gder: why does cvs sometimes do that, though?
15:29:28preglowright, the id string was broken
15:29:35preglowthat's it, probably
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16:11:45preglowwould anyone mind if i added a new category 'codecs' to the patch tracker?
16:16:45Zagorgo ahead
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18:07:20HClwoot, my iriver is done charging my new battery
18:07:59MoosCamarohi HCl, congratulations
18:08:12HClthanks :p
18:08:24HClit was mostly cause markun was ordering a new battery that i did too.
18:10:40MoosCamarowhere did you buy it?
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18:11:50HClits originally an ipod battery
18:11:57HClbut if you switch the polarity, it runs fine in iriver
18:12:07MoosCamarogood news
18:12:18HClit only cost me 13 euro too
18:12:36MoosCamarohihi :) good price
18:12:45MoosCamarovery good
18:14:50HClit *just* fits into my h140
18:16:12Plugh_is there a list of the Rockbox capable devices that are currently in production? I love my FMR, but I'm a little worried about its remaining life
18:16:38rasherPlugh_: there aren't any
18:16:52Plugh_ok, that's what I thought. :)
18:16:54rasherRockbox capable devices currently in production
18:17:45rasherThe closest is the iRiver h1x0s, which are not in production, but fairly new
18:18:09preglowyou can probably count on h3x0 getting rockbox some day
18:18:42Plugh_I wish my FMR could last forever
18:19:10Plugh_needs to be usable
18:19:24HCli wish mp3 playback would work with rockbox on iriver :?
18:19:25HCl :/
18:19:38Plugh_it's not designed to run that cold. ;)
18:20:03rasherBut seriously, an iRiver is probably your best bet.. h1x0 will get support first, but h3x0 support probably won't be too long after
18:20:24*HCl keeps playing with his old iriver battery..
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18:28:25MoosCamaroPlugh: If you want just music check the H140 it's the best, if you want movies check the H340
18:31:53Plugh_iriver is only ogg capable now, right?
18:32:50rasheriRiver doesn't play anything with Rockbox yet
18:33:00Rickyes it does... it can play a single WAV!
18:33:11Plugh_ok thanks for clearing that up
18:33:18rasherThe original firmware isn't *that* bad anyway
18:33:27RickYeah, it just has slight quirks
18:33:41Plugh_I've only been in touch with current rockbox dev through the checkins list
18:33:45rasherIt's not as bad as the Archos firmware was, I hear
18:33:59Plugh_so I don't really know what's in the works as much as what's done
18:34:41rasherthe wiki holds a pretty good status report:
18:35:09rasherin short, the hardware's pretty much taken care of, software sound-decoding is not
18:40:36Plugh_I'm not gonna invest in new hardware till 1) FMR dies or 2) full support to replace the FMR is available
18:41:04Plugh_which, in my case, means mp3 playback
18:44:13preglow320 kbps is 240% realtime \o/
18:45:30amiconnpreglow: libmad does handle mp2, correct?
18:45:42preglowamiconn: it handles layers1 through 3
18:46:07amiconnOkay. Did you test mp2 decoding speed? Should be higher than mp3, even at 384 kpbs
18:46:22preglowi'm doing it as we speak
18:46:43amiconnIs it possible to enable/ disable support for each layer separately?
18:47:07preglowit's slower than layer3, it seems
18:47:17rasherpreglow: did you solve the mystery?
18:47:29preglowrasher: no, it's in the patch tracker for anyone who wants to try solving it
18:47:32amiconnI think we could disable layer1 then, in case we need to save space.
18:47:39preglowamiconn: not much space to be saved
18:48:03preglowamiconn: especially since layer2 depends on layer1, and layer3 depends on layer2, etc
18:48:10rasherAh, just thought those numbers were lower last I heard
18:48:25preglowrasher: i ripped out my last "enhancement"
18:49:44HClwe should start putting it together :/
18:51:47amiconnpreglow: All software decoders I've read about so far state that layer1 is slower to decode than layer2, in spite of its lower complexity
18:51:59preglowamiconn: probably because of the higher bitrate?
18:52:05preglowbut i wonder why layer2 is so slow
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18:52:54rasherpreglow: something that's not optimized yet?
18:54:35amiconnpreglow: Even at the same bitrate
18:54:52preglowamiconn: but yeah, 192 kbps layer 2 is about just as fast as 320 kbps layer 3, which is really strange
18:55:12preglowthen again, i haven't touchet layer12.c at all
18:55:18amiconnApart from that, different bitrate doesn't influence decoding speed that much, at least with layer3
18:55:59amiconnMaybe libmad is different, but with that asm 68K decoder, 320 kbps is ~20% slower than 160 kbps
18:56:01preglow112kbps runs at 300% realtime here, 320 at 240%
18:56:14preglowthe synthesis is the same, regardless of bitrate
18:56:47preglowi don't get the measurements
18:56:56preglowthe realtime% is steadily increasing for some files
18:57:07preglowand jumps permanently to a semi-stable value for others
18:58:01rasherA ihp-100 is heading my way
18:58:34rasherand then to sweden
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19:00:07amiconnpreglow: Again with the asm 68K decoder, layer2 is around twice as fast as layer3
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19:01:11rasherBy the way, is the harddisk not available when show_logo() is called during boot?
19:01:52amiconnLook at main.c
19:01:53rasherWhat's that, it is, or it isn't?
19:02:03amiconnIt is not
19:02:08rasherI did.. couldn't quite make sense of it
19:02:13rasherAh, that makes sense then.
19:02:25preglowamiconn: well, i certainly don't know why it's so slow here, might be a cache issue
19:02:39rasher(I made it try to open a bitmap using read_bitmap_file)
19:02:48rasherto appease the modders
19:02:51amiconnThat can't work
19:03:02rasherit works when showing version though :)
19:03:05preglowamiconn: imdct, which is the only big difference from layer 2 to 3, should bog layer 3 down significantly when compared to layer 2
19:03:59amiconnrasher: line 153 - show_logo(), line 203 - ata_init(), line 234 - disk_mount_all()
19:04:23rasherAha.. guess I didn't look close enough
19:04:44rasherAlso explains why it worked in the sim
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19:09:40rasher I guess changing the boot logo easily is just a bit noooo
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19:10:24rasher"easily" meaning "without modifying executable files with third party programs"
19:11:09rasherThe buildlog parser really should be better at catching errors
19:11:19rashergmini 120 has been red for ages now
19:11:24rasheror should've been
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19:40:03rasherWe have an iRiver ihp-100 \o/
19:44:55rashernow to get it offloaded to linus
19:44:55Rickthere's an h100?
19:45:08rasherYup, 10gb
19:45:16rasherusing slightly different hardware
19:45:20rasherhence the need to own one
19:46:14Ricki'm guessing it's been discontuined for awhile?
19:47:27rashereven longer than the 20/40 models I bet
19:47:39RickI mean... I never knew it existed :p
19:50:24amiconnRick: It's an iHP-100, new name is H-110
19:51:06amiconnHardware should be similar to H-120/140, only difference apart from disk size should be the ram size (16 MB only)
19:54:51rashershould being the operative word here
19:55:05rasherguess now we'll know for (more) sure
19:56:52rasherthis is in so good condition o.O
19:58:59preglowwhat's wrong with it?
19:59:17rasherNothing. Nothing at all.
19:59:21rasherNot a scratch.
19:59:44rasherHe did say he's had it repaired, but this is just mad
19:59:55rashermine look worse than this after a couple of days
19:59:59preglowyou bought it or what?
20:00:12rasherI did for Linus
20:00:37rasherthe leather-case is sortof cool
20:00:57rasherit has a flap that goes down over the screen
20:01:08rashercan't see the screen, but I bet it's a lot better protected
20:02:11rasherIt's silver, not champagne.. and the remote is dark grey
20:02:16rasherother than that, it looks like a h120
20:02:16Rickthe h100 is the one with that weird button thing right?
20:02:24Ricker, h110
20:02:52rasherihp-100 = h110
20:03:08rasherweird button thing?
20:03:13Ricknote I said h100, not ihp-100 :D
20:03:32Rickoh wait, i'm thinking of the h10s or whatever
20:03:54rasherYou should stop that.
20:05:34MoosCamaroihp was before the Hewlet Packard process now h1xx
20:10:13rasherI never understood that thing
20:10:22preglowhow can't you?
20:10:35preglowcouple that with the fact that big corporations are assholes
20:11:17RickHewlet Packard was the reason for the iHP -> H change?
20:11:36preglowso they say
20:11:51RickI always wondered why they changed it
20:12:07MoosCamaroconfusion hp initials
20:12:29rasherIt's all so silly
20:13:04Ricki agree
20:13:19Rickdid they even update the packaging/labels?
20:13:27RickMy h120 has ihp-120 on it
20:13:34Rick(Got it before they changed it)
20:13:47MoosCamarome too
20:14:28MoosCamaroit's one of cause why iriver stop production
20:15:19rasherI find that hard to believe
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20:17:11MoosCamarohewlet packard harcelment plus market causes
20:19:15rasherChanging the ihp-120 to be h120 is so minor that I doubt it played any real role
20:19:39rasherMy idea is that they finished designing the h10 etc. players, and want to sell those instead
20:19:59MoosCamaroit's true
20:20:18MoosCamarobut ihp/hp created a bit of confusion
20:21:32rasherI'd think that it was just iRiver trying to shift the blame. "It's all HP's fault! We *wanted* to continue producing these. Honest!"
20:22:16MoosCamaromicrosoft+iriver project for h10 was a big publicity show
20:22:27Rickmicrosoft got in with iriver?
20:22:42MoosCamaroh10 project
20:23:21MoosCamarothe H10 is a colaboration of iriver and microsoft
20:23:28rasherh10 does the "PlaysForSure" thing and thus is a wet-dream of Bill's
20:23:36Ricki see
20:23:48*Rick has never heard of PlaysForSure
20:25:39rasherSome wma deal.. I'm not really sure what it involves
20:25:52rasherSigning over your firstborn, no doubt
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21:32:05preglowyes, and no doubt the sacrificing of furry animals
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22:07:40MSR75GMP3Hey evryone
22:09:26MSR75GMP3Does anyone know if there will be a Rockbox firmware oon Archos Gmini 400?
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22:12:24preglowporting to gmini has begun, but is at a standstill
22:12:32preglowunfortunately, gmini 400 isn't covered by them anyway
22:12:41preglowonly the lesser models
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22:13:25MSR75GMP3well do you know if they will do one or not?
22:15:31preglowdon't know
22:15:41preglowbut if they will, it's not going to be ready for a long, long time
22:17:04MSR75GMP3damn, i'd love OGG on my gmini
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23:21:59webguest68Hi Guys
23:22:31Bagderhi ho
23:22:56webguest68am I right in stating that the dc power tolerances for the H140 are 4.5v ~ 6.5v ?
23:23:11Bagderuh, I don't know
23:23:33preglowi wouldn't stray too far from 5 volts, were i you
23:23:55webguest68I did look it up it TI pdf spec's but just want to be totally sure
23:24:13webguest68thanks preglow
23:24:15preglowwell, i've never seen it mentioned anywhere
23:27:14webguest68 i dont know how to program, but I sure aprreciate what you guys are doing, thanks
23:27:33preglowdon't need to be a programmer to appreciate things ;)
23:28:30webguest68I follow the chat frequntly, and the wit/sarcasm/humor is quite entertaining :)
23:29:33preglowhaha, wit/sarcasm/humor often is entertaining ;)
23:32:28Plugh_I'm no dev. I just have some good ideas
23:32:37Plugh_though I do have a few lines of code in the project
23:33:00Plugh_I'm just not credited with them ;)
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23:40:58webguest68Do you have any theroies s to the karma's HDD sticking problem
23:42:24ashridahwebguest68: same reason a perfectly fine fan doesn't start turning? it's got a dead-spot someplace where the force of the magnets surrounding it isn't strong enough to start it moving over its own friction :)
23:42:33ashridahprobably a poor theory tho
23:42:40ashridahbut much older hard drives have had similar issues
23:43:13Plugh_the old IBM 10 and 20 megs had a stiction problem
23:43:28Plugh_you used to be able to kickstart them with a drill
23:44:09webguest68get e free power drill with every Hard drive, cool
23:44:25ashridahwell, i was thinking newer than that. some oldish brands of scsi drives had similar issues
23:44:54ashridahyou could get them going with a slight twist of the hand
23:44:55amiconnI had sticking problems with a quantum bigfoot several times
23:45:20amiconn2.5 GB 5.25"
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23:46:26webguest68interesting that it was IBM /Hitachi that had predominatly had these problems
23:47:24rashermaybe they lacked the sticking-preventing patents
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