| 00:00:23 | Bagder | and it should work with source from the daily tarball |
| 00:00:36 | Bagder | if anything of this fails, there's a bug somewhere |
| 00:00:48 | XavierGr | but why the cvs source is smaller with less folders? |
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| 00:01:57 | XavierGr | yeah doing the mix up produced more errors |
| 00:02:36 | Bagder | smaller with less folders? |
| 00:02:38 | amiconn | If your cvs checkout does contain less folders, you didn't checkout everything |
| 00:03:44 | XavierGr | i type "cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox" as the documentation says |
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| 00:04:52 | XavierGr | does it matters if I am in another folder when i type it? |
| 00:06:46 | XavierGr | well the cvs has 5 folders where the daily build has 8 folders!! Any ideas? |
| 00:07:09 | LinusN | XavierGr: co rockbox-all |
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| 00:11:12 | XavierGr | yeah thanks LinusN now it is downloading all the folders |
| 00:11:41 | XavierGr | and some more even from the daily build! |
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| 00:12:41 | amiconn | LinusN: I tweaked my new recording loop; however, saving a file from the recording screen when a fsinfo scan is needed still takes unusally long |
| 00:13:07 | amiconn | (about 10 seconds for a write() of ~70 KB, not counting the open() and the spinup) |
| 00:13:26 | amiconn | ...even when recording is paused, i.e. without interrupt load |
| 00:13:38 | amiconn | However, I observed another thing: |
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| 00:14:54 | amiconn | The red LED blinking for 'recording standby' is rather irregular. Maybe the recording screen doesn't yield() often enough (?) |
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| 00:15:43 | amiconn | Maybe this was introduced with triggered recording... |
| 00:16:48 | LinusN | the blinking isn't "recording standby" |
| 00:17:13 | LinusN | it blinks when the trigger level is above the threshold |
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| 00:17:20 | XavierGr | hmm now it is downloading this |
| 00:17:21 | XavierGr | U www/internals/archos_top.jpg |
| 00:17:21 | XavierGr | U www/internals/bjorn.t |
| 00:17:28 | XavierGr | is that right? |
| 00:17:30 | amiconn | LinusN: I don't have any trigger activated... |
| 00:17:34 | LinusN | XavierGr: yeah |
| 00:17:35 | Bagder | XavierGr: you get the lot |
| 00:17:38 | Bagder | you asked for it |
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| 00:17:57 | XavierGr | so how much data is in there? |
| 00:18:01 | LinusN | maybe rockbox-devel would have been better...? |
| 00:18:02 | XavierGr | in MB? |
| 00:18:03 | Bagder | I dunno |
| 00:19:21 | XavierGr | So it will download all the site!? |
| 00:19:35 | Bagder | all the cvs repo, yes |
| 00:19:43 | amiconn | LinusN: Hmm; now I 'visited' the trigger settings screen once, and it doesn't blink any more.... |
| 00:21:13 | XavierGr | it stopped fehww!!!! |
| 00:21:21 | amiconn | XavierGr: A full checkout is ~27 MB |
| 00:21:43 | XavierGr | good it is around that |
| 00:21:58 | XavierGr | 17.2 rared |
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| 00:28:14 | XavierGr | hooray it built fine!! |
| 00:28:19 | XavierGr | thanks all! |
| 00:28:43 | XavierGr | Now i will try to fix some plugins for the iriver |
| 00:29:04 | XavierGr | (not that I will succeed but I will try anyway) |
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| 00:33:28 | XavierGr | but now I got the same error when I try to open plug-ins inside the simulator |
| 00:33:42 | XavierGr | rockboxui.exe - bad image |
| 00:34:00 | LinusN | did you do "make install" |
| 00:34:39 | austriancoder | would it be a good idea, to run doxygen over rockbox code to get a nice api-doku? |
| 00:34:44 | XavierGr | "The application or DLL C:\cygwin\rockbox-all\build\archos\.rockbox\rocks\bounce.rock is not a valid Windows image." |
| 00:34:51 | Bagder | austriancoder: yes I think so |
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| 00:35:02 | Bagder | I once tried to, but failed for some weird reason |
| 00:35:14 | XavierGr | LinusN:Just type make install instead of make? |
| 00:35:29 | Bagder | XavierGr: no, after you did 'make' |
| 00:35:33 | LinusN | no, after make |
| 00:35:42 | amiconn | :) |
| 00:36:19 | austriancoder | Bagder: I will try it.. |
| 00:39:46 | XavierGr | i had placed a .rockbox folder into the archos folder. I just did a make install and it gave me a rockbox.zip with a .rockbox folder where I put on the archos folder |
| 00:39:56 | XavierGr | again |
| 00:39:58 | XavierGr | the same |
| 00:40:00 | XavierGr | error |
| 00:40:20 | XavierGr | its strange though because I have an old build of the simulator and it runs fine |
| 00:42:09 | XavierGr | ok i fixedit |
| 00:42:30 | XavierGr | I was doing something stupid probably. |
| 00:43:20 | XavierGr | Thanks and sorry to bother you. I just wanna try to help. (seems difficult though) |
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| 00:45:13 | amiconn | LinusN: I found out why the LED is blinking irregularly. |
| 00:46:35 | amiconn | It is supposed to blink regularly but can't because the recording screen wants it to blink at ~3 Hz (16 ticks on / 16 ticks off), but peakmeter_draw_get_button() runs for 0.1 sec (10 ticks) |
| 00:47:31 | amiconn | The 16 / 10 ticks ratio doesn't do any good... |
| 00:48:11 | amiconn | ...and it seems the peakmeter is drawing too much CPU power |
| 00:50:28 | HCl | night. |
| 00:54:29 | XavierGr | night |
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| 00:55:50 | austriancoder | Bagder: i have done a doxygen run |
| 00:56:28 | austriancoder | and it only works fine with libflac code, because it uses a doxygen-liked commenting style |
| 00:58:29 | preglow | doxygen :/ |
| 00:59:00 | XavierGr | lets say that I want to recompile aand fix a plug-in. All i have to do is find the .c file of the plug-in, make the changes and then rebuild the uisimulator? |
| 00:59:35 | austriancoder | doxygen is a very nice tool.. maybe i can play a little with the options |
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| 01:00:08 | preglow | i can't remember having seen a project that uses doxygen properly |
| 01:00:28 | preglow | everything ends up like half-baked pdf files full of function and struct declarations |
| 01:01:31 | rasher | let's be the first! |
| 01:03:20 | austriancoder | i have seen many projects using doxygen successfully |
| 01:03:30 | austriancoder | ogre3d for instance |
| 01:04:50 | preglow | i can't find any doxygen generated docs on their site |
| 01:05:49 | austriancoder | http://www.ogre3d.org/docs/api/html/ |
| 01:06:17 | preglow | riiight, i'm blind |
| 01:07:06 | preglow | looks like the same old shit to me |
| 01:07:22 | preglow | http://www.ogre3d.org/docs/api/html/structbsp__model__t.html |
| 01:07:25 | preglow | nice example of what i mean |
| 01:07:30 | preglow | it isn't even annoted |
| 01:07:34 | preglow | it's just a reformated header |
| 01:07:52 | austriancoder | it is only some infos about the API.. nothing more |
| 01:08:22 | preglow | sure, it's just that i don't see the point in generating html/pdf docs when it nonetheless just is a reformated version of the headers themselves |
| 01:08:28 | preglow | but it can't hurt, i guess |
| 01:08:33 | preglow | just me being easily annoyed, heh |
| 01:08:47 | LinusN | preglow: i agree with you |
| 01:09:37 | austriancoder | but it makes researching easier... |
| 01:09:37 | preglow | i'll take that as authorative proof that i'm right |
| 01:10:02 | preglow | well, if you think so, i'd just as well read the headers themselves, at least then i know i'm not missing out on anything |
| 01:10:31 | LinusN | i think i can find my way faster with grep than clicking around in doxygen |
| 01:10:44 | LinusN | but hey, i'm old :-) |
| 01:11:21 | austriancoder | it was only an idea.. i have seen a menu entry in kdevelop for doxygen.. thats all |
| 01:11:46 | LinusN | i think doxygen might be a good thing...if used correctly |
| 01:12:00 | preglow | sure, i agree, my original point is that it never is used correctly |
| 01:12:12 | LinusN | exactly |
| 01:12:24 | austriancoder | what do you mean with correctly? |
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| 01:13:10 | LinusN | correctly == using special comments to spice up the doxygen generated pages |
| 01:13:31 | austriancoder | as libflac does it... |
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| 01:13:42 | LinusN | yup |
| 01:14:19 | preglow | so libflac does something correctly, at least |
| 01:14:45 | austriancoder | is it ok for you, that my next commits will use some doxygen style documentation as in libflac? |
| 01:14:47 | LinusN | the 5249 dma controller is so farking lame! |
| 01:14:51 | preglow | oh? |
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| 01:15:31 | LinusN | it attempts to detect bad register settings, i.e bad alignment and sizes |
| 01:15:50 | LinusN | for example if size == 2 on longword transfers |
| 01:15:57 | LinusN | or even worse, 3 |
| 01:16:39 | LinusN | but size == 0 also triggers a config error |
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| 01:17:27 | preglow | hahah |
| 01:17:42 | LinusN | so if the dma controller is finished (size == 0) and the audio unit wants more data, the dma controller signals config error |
| 01:18:20 | LinusN | so the dma interrupt has basically no time to react |
| 01:18:33 | XavierGr | is there a faster way of compiling plug-ins instead of recompiling the whole rockbox source? |
| 01:18:48 | rasher | XavierGr: "make" shouldn't take long if all you've changed is plugins |
| 01:18:48 | preglow | XavierGr: should rebuild automatically |
| 01:19:23 | XavierGr | make inside the plug-ins or build? |
| 01:19:28 | ashridah | XavierGr: if you avoid 'make clean', and no-one's changed a header that's used everywhere, make should only compile the changed stuff |
| 01:19:36 | preglow | XavierGr: always inside build |
| 01:21:15 | preglow | LinusN: oh well, not the first lame thing about this cpu |
| 01:21:27 | LinusN | annoys me to death |
| 01:21:34 | preglow | understandable |
| 01:21:37 | preglow | but i really should start contemplating the bed |
| 01:21:43 | LinusN | same here |
| 01:21:50 | preglow | see you later, all |
| 01:21:50 | preglow | gnite |
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| 01:23:56 | XavierGr | here is what I did: I changed some code to \apps\plugins\calculator.c i can compile everything up again running ../tools/configure and then make. But how can I compile only the calculator plugin? |
| 01:25:42 | amiconn | Gah, this is annoying :( |
| 01:26:10 | amiconn | LinusN: Do you have an idea how to check which thread or other code is eating up cpu time? |
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| 01:37:52 | LinusN | amiconn: not really |
| 01:38:18 | LinusN | XavierGr: you don't need to run configure again |
| 01:39:05 | rasher | in fact, you shouldn't |
| 01:41:39 | LinusN | just run "make" after you have changed the plugin source code |
| 01:43:43 | XavierGr | thanks again it worked |
| 01:44:49 | XavierGr | do you think that make install will change the .rockbox alone or do I have manually to delete the .rockbox directory and then type make install? |
| 01:45:46 | LinusN | make install updates .rockbox |
| 01:46:03 | LinusN | all you need to do is "make" and then "make install" |
| 01:47:07 | XavierGr | yes but it seems that I have to manually delete ".rockbox" because if I dont I dont get the latest updates, i will try again. |
| 01:50:53 | LinusN | XavierGr: i don't have to delete it, and i haven't heard of anybody else having to do it either |
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| 01:52:42 | * | LinusN goes to bed |
| 01:52:58 | LinusN | cu in a few hours |
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| 01:59:54 | CoCoLUS | http://img.engadget.com/common/images/2512853438673730.JPG?0.8177002958975231 |
| 01:59:59 | CoCoLUS | and now we are in trouble |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:03 | CoCoLUS | prepare for the lawsuits :P |
| 02:00:29 | ze | that says rocbox not rockbox |
| 02:00:43 | ze | plus there was a player called rockbox that showed up a couple years ago |
| 02:00:48 | ze | rockbox firmware came first anyway |
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| 02:01:09 | XavierGr | yeah and i think this has been discussed before |
| 02:01:15 | ze | and beside all that firmware != player, different animal, no conflict |
| 02:02:35 | CoCoLUS | hm |
| 02:02:42 | ehntoo | I've seen it before. |
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| 07:53:53 | LinusN | hola |
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| 08:12:52 | LinusN | hmm, we need to rethink the pcm playback system |
| 08:13:17 | LinusN | the dma interrupt handler is too slow |
| 08:13:34 | LinusN | or we have to rethink the cpu_boost concept |
| 08:21:25 | ashridah | i take it you're boosting whenever's required? |
| 08:21:31 | ashridah | hence the boost-count stuff? |
| 08:22:15 | LinusN | yes |
| 08:24:20 | LinusN | the problem is that the cpu has to step down to 11MHz when changing the pll |
| 08:24:36 | LinusN | so it will run at 11MHz for up to 10ms |
| 08:24:54 | LinusN | and the dma interrupt handler is too slow for that |
| 08:25:39 | LinusN | and the dma itself eats up a considerable amount of the memory bandwidth |
| 08:26:48 | ashridah | so, we have no choice but to either a) run at max speed all the time (bye bye battery life), or figure out a way to make sure the dma interrupt never triggers while we need to change speeds. |
| 08:27:32 | ashridah | there's no way you can't schedule it to wait until immediately after a dma interrupt is finished? |
| 08:29:52 | LinusN | there are a number of ways to solve it |
| 08:30:23 | LinusN | if we decide to keep the cpu frequency constant, we don't have to run it at max speed |
| 08:30:45 | LinusN | we can set it to any speed we like |
| 08:31:12 | LinusN | we can also make sure the dma interrupt triggers when we want it to |
| 08:31:26 | LinusN | and that can even be "never" |
| 08:31:59 | LinusN | or we can make sure that cpu_boost doesn't collide with the dma interrupt |
| 08:32:16 | LinusN | or we can optimize the dma interrupt handler |
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| 08:33:37 | ashridah | potentially how far appart do dma interrupts trigger, for pcm playback? (i assume it's the audio output stuff that's asking for more stuff when it does) |
| 08:33:43 | ashridah | or are we talking disk access dma handling? |
| 08:34:26 | LinusN | the only dma is the audio dma |
| 08:34:47 | LinusN | the dma interrupt triggers when the dma block transfer is done |
| 08:34:55 | LinusN | and a block can be huge |
| 08:35:06 | LinusN | up to 16Mbytes |
| 08:35:21 | LinusN | in our current implementation, it's 32kbytes |
| 08:35:40 | LinusN | rougly 1/3 of a second |
| 08:35:43 | ashridah | i'm assuming the audio output stage has its own buffering, so it can wait while you setup a new range to output? |
| 08:35:59 | LinusN | that's the problem |
| 08:36:11 | ashridah | it's too small? |
| 08:38:28 | LinusN | the docs are a bit unclear, but if i understand it correctly, it triggers a dma transfer when the fifo is empty |
| 08:38:52 | LinusN | and then you only have a few microseconds to respond |
| 08:43:36 | Slasheri | hi |
| 08:44:46 | LinusN | hi Slasheri |
| 08:44:58 | LinusN | i have found the reason for the cpu_boost hang |
| 08:45:09 | LinusN | or should i say reasons |
| 08:46:02 | Slasheri | that's great, i was just reading the logs :) |
| 08:46:41 | LinusN | great that i found it, but not so great that it is a hard one to solve |
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| 08:46:51 | Slasheri | now it's easier to make a fix as we know the reason |
| 08:46:57 | LinusN | sure |
| 08:47:21 | LinusN | the immediate fix is of course to run at full speed all the time |
| 08:47:58 | LinusN | the long-term fix is probably to rewrite the pcm playback code |
| 08:48:24 | Slasheri | hmm, yes. Maybe we could really do the cpu_boost switch immediately after dma interrupt as said above so that should work |
| 08:48:32 | LinusN | i wish the dma controller wasn't so incredibly lame |
| 08:51:03 | LinusN | this is my idea: |
| 08:51:41 | LinusN | the current dma interrupt looks up the next buffer address/size using the callback |
| 08:51:48 | LinusN | and then reprograms the dma |
| 08:52:11 | LinusN | this may happen too late |
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| 08:53:50 | LinusN | if we instead provide the new address/size in another way, the dma handler can find it more quickly and reprogram the dma first, and then call the callback for the upcoming address/size |
| 08:54:42 | LinusN | i.e always have two globals up-to-date, next_dma_address and next_dma_size |
| 08:55:06 | Slasheri | ah, interesting |
| 08:55:33 | LinusN | another idea is to set the size to a huge value and just let the dma run |
| 08:55:46 | LinusN | changing only the address when necessary |
| 08:55:50 | LinusN | on the fly |
| 08:56:10 | LinusN | this is not recommended by the data sheet but i think it could work |
| 08:56:23 | Slasheri | Hmm, i think that both of these could be good solutions |
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| 08:57:38 | LinusN | the latter solution may be tricky, as the dma could run past the dma buffer if we don't change the address in time, or stop the audio request |
| 08:58:18 | LinusN | i think we should try the first solution |
| 08:58:36 | LinusN | gotta go away for a few minutes |
| 08:59:06 | Slasheri | indeed, that might be better if we could it working that way |
| 08:59:10 | Slasheri | i will try something :) |
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| 09:12:40 | Slasheri | Hmm, this looks promising :) |
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| 09:17:00 | LinusN | Slasheri: we could of course abandon my stuff with the add_chunk api and use only the ring buffer method |
| 09:17:26 | Slasheri | Hmm.. |
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| 09:18:00 | Slasheri | anyway, i think this is the solution |
| 09:18:28 | Slasheri | at least system is not crashing now when i go to the debug menu and change frequency |
| 09:18:55 | LinusN | what did you do? |
| 09:19:19 | Slasheri | I need to do few more tests to be sure, just a moment |
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| 09:19:53 | LinusN | took me quite a while to figure out the cause of the crash |
| 09:20:35 | preglow | i can imagine |
| 09:20:49 | preglow | retarded hardware does that to you |
| 09:27:39 | preglow | by god, i am extremely tired of this computer fan hell |
| 09:28:55 | Mr_Wik | watercooling is the solution ;) |
| 09:31:20 | preglow | not a solution i currently employ, unfortunately |
| 09:32:58 | Mr_Wik | :-/ |
| 09:33:03 | LinusN | there were in fact two problems |
| 09:33:12 | LinusN | 1) the dma is braindead |
| 09:33:29 | LinusN | 2) the dma interrupt was at level 7, which meant it could interrupt itself |
| 09:33:59 | LinusN | filling the stack in no time, overwriting iram code |
| 09:35:51 | preglow | hahah, ouch |
| 09:36:00 | preglow | well, does it fare better if you raise the priority? |
| 09:36:59 | LinusN | raise? how? level 7 is the highest |
| 09:37:21 | LinusN | lowering it made it behave better |
| 09:37:56 | LinusN | since level 7 is nmi, unmaskable |
| 09:38:16 | preglow | bah, nevermind me |
| 09:38:25 | preglow | i haven't done much interrupt level stuff |
| 09:38:27 | Slasheri | LinusN: I think it's crashing no more :) At least i am unable to make it crash with music playing and dynamic cpu_boost enabled |
| 09:38:40 | LinusN | Slasheri: what did you do? |
| 09:38:52 | Slasheri | LinusN: Do you think the whole add_chunk thing is unnecessary? |
| 09:39:13 | LinusN | it's a handy interface, but we can live without it |
| 09:39:46 | Slasheri | I made the next buffer descriptors to global variables so those can be read immediately we reach the dma interrupt |
| 09:39:58 | LinusN | great |
| 09:40:08 | LinusN | gimme da patch man! |
| 09:40:26 | Slasheri | just a moment, now there is a little glitch when cpu frequency is changing |
| 09:40:30 | Slasheri | need to fix that =) |
| 09:40:41 | Slasheri | probably some problem with that quick hack |
| 09:40:43 | LinusN | glitch? |
| 09:41:08 | Slasheri | yes, some interrupt with the audio output |
| 09:41:16 | LinusN | badness |
| 09:41:19 | Slasheri | :/ |
| 09:42:58 | LinusN | try puttin the descriptors in iram |
| 09:43:07 | LinusN | or at least the globals |
| 09:43:16 | Slasheri | ah, i think it's buffering problem only |
| 09:43:29 | Slasheri | should be fixed soon, i just made some bug |
| 09:43:34 | LinusN | oki |
| 09:43:37 | Slasheri | :) |
| 09:43:52 | LinusN | make sure the globals are updated both in add_chunk and in the callback |
| 09:46:04 | Slasheri | the problem was only that the pcm buffer data will get overwritten when the buffer reaches full state :) |
| 09:47:01 | LinusN | aha |
| 09:47:22 | LinusN | gimme gimme gimme da patch before midnight... |
| 09:47:36 | Slasheri | of course, when it's midnight there? :) |
| 09:48:02 | Bagder | are you Bjorn or Benny? :-P |
| 09:48:11 | Slasheri | :D |
| 09:48:31 | * | Bagder has his ABBA-recognition filter activated |
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| 09:49:32 | bobTHC | mornin' folks ! |
| 09:49:37 | preglow | howdy |
| 09:50:48 | Slasheri | LinusN: Hmm, this would be much easier to fix if the other add_chunk code would be not needed (as ring buffering does almost the same thing) |
| 09:52:01 | Slasheri | Ah, okay these are not exactly same. Ring buffer needs memcpy and add_chunk does not |
| 09:52:09 | Slasheri | So it's good to have both of them |
| 09:52:26 | preglow | avoiding memory copy is a good thing |
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| 10:36:58 | * | amiconn can catch the digital flow now :) |
| 10:37:05 | Bager | :)) |
| 10:37:06 | Bagder | woooo |
| 10:37:16 | Bagder | crongratulations! |
| 10:37:24 | Bagder | s/cr/c |
| 10:37:47 | Bager | don't let it run out |
| 10:38:06 | ashridah | no, i think 'crongratulations' is almost right, given that the company is korean |
| 10:38:12 | ashridah | maybe loose the l |
| 10:38:18 | Bagder | :-) |
| 10:38:51 | LinusN | clongraturations |
| 10:39:02 | crwl | clonglatulations |
| 10:39:06 | * | Bagder giggles |
| 10:39:18 | preglow | amiconn: w00t |
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| 10:45:02 | Bager | LinusN: i know it's low priority, but did you take a comparing picture between H1x0's and H3x0's LCD remotes ? |
| 10:45:14 | LinusN | nope |
| 10:46:00 | Bager | oki |
| 10:48:41 | Bager | just asking :) |
| 10:51:06 | Slasheri | LinusN: Now i got it working |
| 10:51:15 | LinusN | wee! |
| 10:51:31 | Slasheri | Maybe i will put the updated files to web (sorry, including the all in a patch was too hard to do :D) |
| 10:51:42 | Slasheri | and after that i have to go to work :) |
| 10:52:56 | LinusN | Slasheri: good |
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| 11:11:34 | * | Bagder builds rockbox with ccache |
| 11:11:39 | Bagder | faaaast ;-) |
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| 11:14:16 | LinusN | Bagder: c00l |
| 11:14:48 | Bagder | simply setting 'ccache m68k-elf-gcc' in the root Makefile works fine |
| 11:17:35 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 11:19:25 | preglow | pretty neat app, that ccache |
| 11:19:42 | Bagder | yes, it "just works" |
| 11:20:04 | Bagder | I had forgotten I used it for my plain gcc ;-) |
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| 11:21:41 | ashridah | wouldn't a properly written makefile do the same job? |
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| 11:36:44 | HCl | sup? |
| 11:36:48 | XShocK | hi |
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| 11:37:17 | markun | I've just been listening to weezer using rockbox! |
| 11:37:28 | bobTHC | :)) |
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| 11:41:17 | textchimp | i wonder, could the iriver ihp 1x0 recharge from USB like the 3x0 can, or is it a hardware limitation? |
| 11:41:34 | ashridah | textchimp: it's been done with third party mods to the cable. |
| 11:41:59 | markun | Loading the files to the filebuffer seems a bit slow (slower than the iriver firmware). Is that because we don't use dma? |
| 11:42:40 | ashridah | did someone check sound-playing code into rockbox without me noticing? |
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| 11:43:11 | markun | I just downloaded the code from slasheri's site. |
| 11:43:28 | ashridah | which is where? |
| 11:43:45 | textchimp | so it's the cable rather than the player itself? |
| 11:43:47 | ashridah | nevermind, |
| 11:43:51 | ashridah | found it |
| 11:44:00 | textchimp | tell me where it is then |
| 11:44:08 | markun | http://ihme.org/~miipekk/rockbox/ |
| 11:44:10 | textchimp | is it working with changing songs without rebooting? |
| 11:44:12 | ashridah | textchimp: yeah, people just split out the power cable and graft a plug onto the end |
| 11:44:59 | ashridah | textchimp: misticriver.net probably has some examples floating around |
| 11:45:17 | textchimp | ashridah: the 3x0 seems to recharge from what looks like a normal USB cable, which comes with it |
| 11:45:58 | ashridah | the 3xx hardware has different wiring on the inside |
| 11:46:07 | textchimp | that's what i was wondering about |
| 11:46:14 | ashridah | as i say, people have done it with the 1xx by grafting a plug onto a standard usb cable |
| 11:46:30 | ashridah | one could probably do it by doing the mod on the inside |
| 11:46:43 | textchimp | what do i need to do to get this sound playing code to work? do i need to have the entire CVS head downloaded first? |
| 11:46:44 | ashridah | but that restricts you to charging and having it on at the same time |
| 11:47:02 | * | ashridah hands textchimp the sacrifical goat |
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| 11:49:03 | leftright | I dont think that using a hacked usb to power chord is a good idea |
| 11:49:55 | ashridah | leftright: it's been done before. of course, using your pc to do it may well be harmful |
| 11:50:05 | ashridah | but from a powered usb hub it probably would work |
| 11:50:08 | leftright | it could exceed the max amperage that the host usb ports amperage |
| 11:50:47 | ashridah | leftright: yes. some systems have trouble with that. and of course, if the hardware's written properly, the current should get clamped. |
| 11:50:56 | ashridah | s/written/designed/ |
| 11:51:00 | ashridah | of course, that depends on the drivers too |
| 11:51:27 | ashridah | i'm yet to run into a situation where the battery life hasn't lasted long enough yet |
| 11:52:07 | leftright | same here |
| 11:52:27 | leftright | I suppose for folks that travel with notebooks its handy |
| 11:52:37 | leftright | one less item to lug around |
| 11:53:57 | ashridah | wouldn't be that hard to build a mod for the power supply to split off extra chargers for things like phones/mp3 players. |
| 11:54:28 | ashridah | of course, you'd want to take care not to confuse the nokia one with the iriver one :) |
| 11:55:15 | leftright | thats a great idea, I'm going to spice the DC chords to my notebooks power supply |
| 11:55:36 | leftright | splice |
| 11:56:06 | ashridah | i'd be incliend to actually make yourself a small breakout box |
| 11:56:30 | ashridah | of course, that implies that you have some skill with building voltage regulating circuits :) |
| 11:57:15 | leftright | the usb power supply is eegant though, just a pity that the H140's hardware doesn't support it |
| 11:57:25 | leftright | elegant |
| 11:57:45 | ashridah | so sell it and get a 3xx :) |
| 11:57:51 | leftright | nah |
| 11:57:56 | textchimp | what do i need to do to get this sound playing code to work? do i need to have the entire CVS head downloaded first? |
| 11:58:58 | ashridah | textchimp: gotta patch and copy stuff into appropriate places. |
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| 12:01:05 | textchimp | ashridah: do i need the latest cvs version or can i do it to the latest release? |
| 12:01:56 | ashridah | it might work on a daily |
| 12:02:03 | preglow | usb current is very, very seldomly limited by the drivers |
| 12:02:06 | ashridah | patch is usually fairly forgiving. |
| 12:02:20 | ashridah | and not much has changed in the last day or two |
| 12:02:38 | preglow | hell, i can use my usb midi keyboard without even having my computer switched on |
| 12:02:58 | dwihno | preglow: usb midi keyboard? what kind of thingie? |
| 12:03:38 | preglow | what about it? |
| 12:03:53 | preglow | it's a midi keyboard, just with an usb option |
| 12:03:53 | preglow | heh |
| 12:04:07 | textchimp | so i should just grab the latest rockbox-devel from cvs? |
| 12:04:17 | leftright | what do you reckon are the amperage parameters for notebooks ? |
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| 12:05:35 | ashridah | that depends on the laptop |
| 12:05:52 | leftright | thought it was standardised |
| 12:06:09 | ashridah | how could it be standardized? |
| 12:06:26 | preglow | Bagder: do you use ccache for the dailies? |
| 12:06:30 | leftright | some IEEE spec for mobo's ? |
| 12:06:30 | ashridah | every laptop's going to use a different amount of current than another |
| 12:07:12 | leftright | sorry I'm ferering to usb ports specifically |
| 12:08:05 | ashridah | oh. it's generally considered 500mA (per port, iirc) |
| 12:08:09 | preglow | each usb port can give around 500ma |
| 12:08:13 | preglow | but it's usually much more |
| 12:08:18 | preglow | since there's no current limiter per port |
| 12:09:08 | preglow | per default the current limit is much lower, and each device has to confer with the usb driver to use more power, but i've never seen that actually implemented |
| 12:09:19 | leftright | no protection circuits ? |
| 12:09:29 | Bagder | preglow: no I don't |
| 12:09:43 | preglow | there probably is a protection circuit, but it's for the entire usb controller |
| 12:10:06 | ashridah | i' |
| 12:10:09 | ashridah | arhjl |
| 12:10:29 | ashridah | i've managed to setup a ground loop with my pc and my printer once that shut down one of my usb ports as i was plugging it in |
| 12:10:38 | preglow | Bagder: any plans to? |
| 12:10:44 | ashridah | heh |
| 12:11:02 | Bagder | I hadn't considered it, but yes, it would speed up recompiles considerably |
| 12:11:12 | leftright | ah, its the specs for that usb controller that I'm after |
| 12:11:19 | leftright | time to google |
| 12:12:06 | preglow | Bagder: yeah, and if i don't remember incorrectly, build times are starting to get pretty high |
| 12:12:19 | Bagder | yes |
| 12:12:36 | Bagder | I'll just work out how configure should act to detect and enable ccache |
| 12:12:53 | markun | Does anyone remember why read() doesn't use dma? |
| 12:13:23 | preglow | Bagder: wouldn't a simple flag suffice? |
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| 12:13:31 | Bagder | probably |
| 12:13:40 | MoosCamaro | Hi all |
| 12:14:04 | preglow | i don't think configure scripts should second guess the programmer, ccache shouldn't be mandatory just because it's installed ;) |
| 12:14:10 | Bagder | but changing anything in the configure sequence means changing lots of other scripts that use that |
| 12:14:38 | Bagder | I think a command line option is good enough |
| 12:15:51 | preglow | should be just fine |
| 12:20:30 | preglow | hmmm |
| 12:21:37 | preglow | ccache works equally well with heavily #defined source? |
| 12:22:02 | Bagder | yes |
| 12:22:10 | preglow | then all is well |
| 12:22:21 | HCl | what is ccache? |
| 12:22:31 | preglow | system that caches compiler results |
| 12:22:39 | preglow | and doesn't recompile if it doesn't have to |
| 12:22:43 | HCl | aha |
| 12:22:49 | preglow | even after make clean |
| 12:23:01 | preglow | that is, especially after make clean ;) |
| 12:23:09 | HCl | :p |
| 12:23:22 | * | HCl only just woke up. |
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| 12:25:36 | | Part leftright |
| 12:26:44 | MoosCamaro | Good day HCl :) |
| 12:27:00 | HCl | hi :) |
| 12:27:25 | HCl | what bugs are left in the mp3/ogg playing code? |
| 12:27:43 | * | preglow produlates slasheri |
| 12:31:18 | preglow | man, ccache sat poorly with scons |
| 12:31:57 | Nibbler | rockbox plays ogg?! |
| 12:32:06 | preglow | Nibbler: well, unofficially |
| 12:32:39 | Nibbler | i only heared "playing ogg is technically impossible on archos" |
| 12:32:47 | preglow | iriver |
| 12:32:49 | preglow | not archos |
| 12:32:52 | Nibbler | ah ok then :( |
| 12:33:03 | preglow | the old archos players will never play vorbis |
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| 12:33:22 | preglow | for several reasons |
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| 12:37:55 | Tomas|laptop | hi |
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| 12:39:28 | MoosCamaro | Hi |
| 12:40:24 | MoosCamaro | it's european referundum today in Netherlands, HCl, t0mas.... go vote |
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| 12:47:01 | HCl | yea. |
| 12:47:03 | HCl | i will |
| 12:49:04 | t0mas|lt | I'm 17 MoosCamaro |
| 12:49:11 | t0mas|lt | so can't vote yet :) |
| 12:49:28 | t0mas|lt | but I would vote "yes" to start a new discussion ;) |
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| 12:52:31 | amiconn | preglow: Properly designed USB controllers do limit the current per port (500 mA). However, many USB controllers aren't designed properly, especially those integarted on mobos |
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| 12:56:28 | preglow | amiconn: most i've seen aren't |
| 12:57:02 | MoosCamaro | HCl/t0mas: here in France we have vote for NO the last week-end and will probably in Netherlands too this night |
| 12:57:23 | MoosCamaro | amiconn: congratulations for your new precious ;) |
| 12:57:24 | amiconn | preglow: My highway card is (USB controller for Amiga) |
| 12:58:11 | amiconn | MoosCamaro: tnx |
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| 13:01:38 | MoosCamaro | the API graphical and grayscal will evolve :) |
| 13:01:48 | preglow | amiconn: it's flashed already, i assume? ;) |
| 13:02:39 | amiconn | nope |
| 13:03:16 | preglow | you want to enjoy the iriver firmware first? :P |
| 13:05:01 | dwihno | he must catch the digital flow! |
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| 13:09:59 | preglow | ooh, he's in for the treat of his life |
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| 13:17:37 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 13:27:10 | Bagder | ccache test build in progress |
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| 13:38:08 | preglow | if someone implements the rockbox playback engine in the sim, i'll bloody start using that as my linux audio player |
| 13:38:27 | t0mas|lt | preglow: never used amarok? |
| 13:38:55 | Bagder | it would be _really_ useful to have the sim using the same codec api |
| 13:39:11 | Bagder | but I don't hold my breath for that |
| 13:39:21 | preglow | why not? |
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| 13:39:27 | preglow | i don't think it's impossible |
| 13:39:33 | Bagder | oh no it isn't |
| 13:40:31 | preglow | ahh, kde |
| 13:40:53 | preglow | i don't even think ubuntu has the kde libs needed |
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| 13:46:27 | preglow | daily builds looks pretty strange :> |
| 13:46:48 | Bagder | yes ;-) |
| 13:46:55 | Bagder | I aborted a build in the middle |
| 13:47:01 | preglow | ahh |
| 13:47:01 | preglow | heh |
| 13:47:18 | HCl | :P |
| 13:47:30 | HCl | *yawn* |
| 13:48:21 | preglow | how the hell do i get the latest diff out of a cvs tree? |
| 13:48:28 | preglow | for one file, yes |
| 13:48:45 | Bagder | cvs diff -r1.12 -r1.13 filename.c |
| 13:49:06 | preglow | but that's what i'm doing! |
| 13:49:19 | preglow | ahh, file name has to come after |
| 13:49:38 | Bagder | cvs is very sensitive on where the options and order etc |
| 13:57:30 | ashridah | yes. one of CVS's many endearing qualities |
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| 14:13:36 | * | HCl prods Slasheri |
| 14:14:47 | ashridah | i think he's at work |
| 14:15:27 | HCl | k. |
| 14:16:40 | textchimp | what do i do to apply this audio patch, i haven |
| 14:16:48 | textchimp | haven't applied a patch in a while |
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| 14:28:08 | Bagder | textchimp: http://www.rockbox.org/docs/patch.html |
| 14:29:32 | textchimp | Bagder: thanks...not sure if i need the -p option for this patch? http://ihme.org/~miipekk/rockbox/snapshot.diff |
| 14:30:12 | Bagder | use -p0 if you're standing in the rockbox tree root |
| 14:30:59 | textchimp | okay, got it, thanks! |
| 14:30:59 | CoCoLUS | is that slasheris latest? |
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| 14:34:11 | Bagder | well, you need the separate new files too |
| 14:34:17 | Bagder | as the patch is not made to add those |
| 14:34:18 | preglow | what people what from h3x0 rockbox is higher framerate video, it seems... |
| 14:34:26 | textchimp | damn: i got this error: make[1]: *** No rule to make target `playback.c', needed by `/home/texty/build/rockbox/rockbox-daily-20050601/target/apps/dep-apps'. Stop. |
| 14:34:29 | preglow | want |
| 14:34:43 | textchimp | playback.c is new.....doesn't the patch tell make what to do with it? |
| 14:34:45 | Bagder | textchimp: exactly, and then read my last remark ;-) |
| 14:34:48 | preglow | textchimp: read what bagder said |
| 14:35:04 | textchimp | doh |
| 14:35:18 | textchimp | i have the files...i need to copy them to the apps dir i guess |
| 14:35:58 | preglow | they most certainly can't be wherever you want, heh |
| 14:36:16 | textchimp | yes, i see now that i am an eeeeediot |
| 14:36:28 | textchimp | it looks like they have to be where shown in snapshot.diff? |
| 14:36:29 | Bagder | it really is unfortable to have those files separate from the patch |
| 14:38:09 | Bagder | uncomfortable is the word |
| 14:40:19 | preglow | i like "unfortable" |
| 14:40:40 | preglow | he didn't know how to make the patch contain new files, i thinks |
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| 14:43:41 | textchimp | hmm.. |
| 14:43:48 | textchimp | now i get this error: midi2wav.c:174: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type |
| 14:44:23 | textchimp | but this beforehand: midi2wav.c:47:27: midi/midiutil.c: No such file or directory |
| 14:44:36 | textchimp | it's looking for some midi stuff that isn't there? |
| 14:45:01 | textchimp | i'm using the daily build source |
| 14:45:16 | LinusN | how do you build it? |
| 14:45:27 | Bagder | aha, I think the midi dir is missing |
| 14:45:32 | LinusN | oops |
| 14:46:12 | textchimp | i don't care about midi right now |
| 14:46:25 | textchimp | in fact, i've never cared about midi less than at this moment |
| 14:46:31 | textchimp | can i just exclude it from the build? |
| 14:46:41 | preglow | somebody try porting speex already! |
| 14:46:54 | Bagder | textchimp: remove the midi2wav.c from apps/plugins/SOURCES |
| 14:47:52 | textchimp | i'll try it |
| 14:48:09 | Bagder | Slasheri's code uses bad ifdefs |
| 14:48:50 | ashridah | he's only been on the case for two weeks or something hasn't he? |
| 14:49:06 | Bagder | heck, he's done a great job in really no time |
| 14:49:47 | textchimp | shouldn't there be a make install target? |
| 14:49:54 | Bagder | no |
| 14:49:59 | Bagder | what would that do? |
| 14:50:08 | Bagder | install how/where? |
| 14:50:28 | tvelocity | heh /usr/local :PPP |
| 14:50:29 | textchimp | um, okay.... it did make a rockbox.iriver.... i seem to recall using make install somewhere in this build? |
| 14:50:30 | preglow | he's been on it for under a week |
| 14:50:38 | textchimp | maybe for the simulator? |
| 14:50:44 | Bagder | textchimp: there is one for the sim |
| 14:51:05 | LinusN | textchimp: "make zip" |
| 14:53:24 | Bagder | build time is now less than half |
| 14:53:42 | Bagder | for the cvs table build |
| 14:54:29 | preglow | goodie |
| 14:55:15 | dwihno | neato! |
| 14:55:19 | dwihno | thanks to ccache? |
| 14:55:22 | Bagder | yes |
| 14:55:27 | dwihno | cool stuffs! |
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| 15:00 |
| 15:00:28 | textchimp | hey, there it is |
| 15:00:30 | textchimp | AUDIO |
| 15:00:55 | textchimp | glorious sound waves |
| 15:00:58 | textchimp | and not just that unholy insect buzzing |
| 15:01:02 | bobTHC | :) |
| 15:01:18 | textchimp | it even fades out when you stop it |
| 15:01:32 | textchimp | the luxury |
| 15:01:32 | textchimp | the sheer undeserved luxury of it |
| 15:01:45 | dwihno | iriver got audio? |
| 15:02:03 | textchimp | it's freakin out if i try to play more than one track |
| 15:02:14 | textchimp | dwihno: in the most experimental yet audible sense |
| 15:02:39 | bobTHC | a clean playback of one song for the moment |
| 15:02:52 | bobTHC | that's it textchimp ? |
| 15:02:58 | preglow | textchimp: you need to restart |
| 15:04:02 | textchimp | yeah |
| 15:04:02 | textchimp | i got that |
| 15:04:19 | textchimp | well well |
| 15:04:33 | textchimp | did i see some modifications to recorder.c in that diff? does it even record? |
| 15:04:39 | preglow | no |
| 15:05:29 | textchimp | sorry |
| 15:05:32 | textchimp | i'm getting greedy |
| 15:06:06 | textchimp | well, anyway, that's great |
| 15:06:46 | textchimp | to be liberated from the crapness of Iriver's official and hopelessy half-assed 'updates' |
| 15:06:57 | bobTHC | if that not broke evereything it's a littlebit nifty ;) |
| 15:07:34 | bobTHC | i'm kidding, good work textchimp |
| 15:08:08 | bobTHC | but seems to need some ajustments |
| 15:08:17 | LinusN | "some" :-) |
| 15:08:17 | Bagder | nooo, its done now |
| 15:08:22 | Bagder | we can go home |
| 15:08:27 | Bagder | :-) |
| 15:08:57 | bobTHC | lol |
| 15:08:59 | textchimp | i didn't do anything bobTHC |
| 15:09:20 | textchimp | i'm a cheerleader |
| 15:09:34 | MoosCamaro | Slasheri's works for a lot :) |
| 15:09:37 | bobTHC | it's a job |
| 15:09:39 | bobTHC | ;) |
| 15:09:40 | MoosCamaro | for playback |
| 15:09:53 | MoosCamaro | Hi bob ca va? |
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| 15:10:33 | bobTHC | well thx, |
| 15:10:51 | tucoz | hi, are there any thoughts on a preferred encoding format when recording on the iriver? |
| 15:10:58 | * | LinusN spots logfdump in CVS |
| 15:11:22 | tucoz | or will that also be all encoders that will run in realtime? |
| 15:11:23 | Bagder | jawohl |
| 15:11:31 | tucoz | like the decoders |
| 15:11:46 | Bagder | there will be multiple encoders |
| 15:11:51 | tucoz | ahh, great |
| 15:13:36 | textchimp | ok, goodnight |
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| 15:14:11 | tucoz | is encoding usually a bit more processor demanding than decoding? |
| 15:14:21 | bobTHC | yes |
| 15:14:56 | Bagder | much more |
| 15:17:38 | tucoz | So, the first step will be to get the various encoders to compile on iriver, right? |
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| 15:17:49 | LinusN | yes |
| 15:19:08 | tucoz | I haven't found a wiki-page for this, but that will those be placed under apps/encoders or something then? similar to codecs |
| 15:19:19 | preglow | just making an encoder run realtime will be hard |
| 15:19:24 | preglow | most encoders also use floating point |
| 15:20:05 | tucoz | oh, bummer |
| 15:20:30 | crwl | i'd be happy with FLAC (and that should also be quite easy, shouldn't it?) |
| 15:21:43 | LinusN | wavpack |
| 15:22:37 | bobTHC | for me the recording format is .wav for sound recording (to use it like a DAT) |
| 15:22:59 | tucoz | wavpack looks nice |
| 15:23:18 | preglow | the lossless codecs will probably be the first encoders, yeah |
| 15:23:33 | preglow | no fancy psycho acoustics and already fixed point |
| 15:23:46 | preglow | with the exception of some flac parts |
| 15:23:47 | crwl | maybe FLAC and speex would be almost enough for almost any use |
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| 15:24:50 | bobTHC | speex will be good to use it as voice recording indeed |
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| 15:25:41 | crwl | yes, and FLAC for almost anything else - these are hard disk players anyway :P |
| 15:26:10 | Bagder | well, people do looong recordings |
| 15:26:27 | crwl | some do :) |
| 15:26:31 | Bagder | we've had numerous people doing >24 hours |
| 15:26:39 | Bagder | and then flac is not really suitable |
| 15:27:19 | Bagder | but let's wait and see what we can do |
| 15:27:22 | crwl | well, 24 hours is still only less than 10 gigs |
| 15:27:37 | crwl | too big for fat32, hrm :) |
| 15:27:49 | Bagder | rockbox splits them |
| 15:27:52 | preglow | splitting up files shouldn't pose a problem |
| 15:27:53 | LinusN | rockbox splits it into several files |
| 15:28:08 | crwl | okey |
| 15:29:31 | Bagder | speex is a float encoder too |
| 15:30:10 | bobTHC | :/ |
| 15:30:11 | Bagder | even decoder |
| 15:30:25 | dwihno | looks like there's work on a fixed point implementation |
| 15:31:25 | Bagder | indeed |
| 15:31:38 | preglow | its more or less complete |
| 15:32:39 | preglow | i was going to check, but the site is down |
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| 15:34:20 | tucoz | is neuros-audio able to record? In that case, their flac-port might be worth looking at. |
| 15:34:34 | tucoz | ..as mentioned on the rockbox-wiki |
| 15:36:51 | Bagder | the neuros forums are impossible to navigate |
| 15:37:23 | tucoz | say that again, it's impossible to find the source as well |
| 15:37:30 | Bagder | yes |
| 15:37:34 | Bagder | the source is removed |
| 15:37:37 | tucoz | hehe |
| 15:37:47 | tucoz | do you know why? |
| 15:37:49 | Bagder | they are in trouble with TI since eons |
| 15:37:52 | tucoz | oh |
| 15:38:02 | Bagder | since they released code they were not quite allowed to... |
| 15:38:48 | tucoz | too bad |
| 15:39:06 | Bagder | we had a look on it when they first relased it |
| 15:39:18 | bobTHC | no google cache ? ;) |
| 15:39:38 | Bagder | it didn't have anything to offer Rockbox |
| 15:39:48 | Bagder | back then at least |
| 15:40:30 | tucoz | wonder why they call it open source firmware still. http://open.neurosaudio.com/ |
| 15:40:31 | dwihno | did it have any cool features? |
| 15:40:43 | Bagder | tucoz: the called it open source YEARS before they released the code too |
| 15:41:24 | Bagder | dwihno: no, most of the cool stuff were made in 3rd party libs, and the code for those was not included |
| 15:42:21 | * | Bagder remembers some not so favourable reviews on the rockbox list... |
| 15:43:34 | tucoz | sounds cool, might not be though. It also looks as if the licencing policy for monkey's audio is going nowhere aswell |
| 15:46:24 | dwihno | Bagder: aww... too bad. cool ideas is always neato |
| 15:46:40 | Bagder | cool code at least |
| 15:47:00 | Bagder | we have more ideas than we can deal with ;-) |
| 15:47:44 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-09/0491.shtml |
| 15:47:46 | Bagder | the one |
| 15:48:52 | preglow | so arm4 doesn't have mac opcodes |
| 15:50:19 | Bagder | no idea |
| 15:50:21 | preglow | arm doesn't have div??? |
| 15:52:00 | tucoz | hehe, a google search for neuros ended up with: open.neurosaudio.com: A Step in the Open Source Direction |
| 15:52:24 | tucoz | at least they have made a step |
| 15:53:15 | preglow | at least speex has seperate files for all dsp |
| 15:53:16 | Bagder | yes, they seem to try |
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| 15:56:11 | preglow | loads and loads of places to optimise in libspeex |
| 15:56:15 | * | preglow calls for volunteers |
| 15:57:42 | * | amiconn 's iriver is fully charged now |
| 15:59:20 | preglow | :-) |
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| 16:02:08 | tucoz | funny read that neuros review |
| 16:02:17 | HCl | get working on that grayscale lib! :P |
| 16:02:25 | HCl | we want video darnit |
| 16:02:25 | HCl | :P |
| 16:02:35 | preglow | haha |
| 16:02:47 | preglow | i haven't exactly got high hopes for the h1x0 lcd |
| 16:02:54 | preglow | everything will be blurred to hell and beyond |
| 16:02:58 | amiconn | HCl: Video doesn't use the grayscale lib on archos; video is pre-rendered |
| 16:03:25 | HCl | oh |
| 16:03:26 | preglow | predithered as well? |
| 16:03:31 | preglow | i take it |
| 16:03:48 | amiconn | Yes that's what I mean |
| 16:03:58 | bobTHC | a fixedpoint port of the ARM audio voice encoder/decoder > http://www.koders.com/c/fid01888E322FDDEA4B959BF42CE3C4485FB1853297.aspx |
| 16:04:13 | amiconn | Btw, is it normal that the iriver fw keeps the hd spinning? |
| 16:04:26 | preglow | amiconn: yes |
| 16:04:38 | amiconn | lame... |
| 16:04:47 | preglow | amiconn: you will find it's not the only lame thing |
| 16:04:51 | Bagder | indeed lame |
| 16:04:55 | bobTHC | :) |
| 16:05:07 | ashridah | it has a longer hdd spindown time, and people have bitched in the past about a hdd spin bug or something |
| 16:05:07 | preglow | amiconn: also, if you're playing a track, and exit to the file viewer, then it will spin all the time until you choose another track, no matter how long that takes |
| 16:05:38 | preglow | i don't think iriver uses a threaded os |
| 16:05:51 | HCl | might explain not having gapless |
| 16:06:26 | preglow | oh? |
| 16:06:29 | HCl | i don't see what people like so much about starwars |
| 16:06:34 | HCl | *watches episode 3* |
| 16:06:51 | ashridah | i didn't bother seeing episode 3 |
| 16:07:01 | preglow | i'll probably see it some day |
| 16:07:02 | preglow | no hurry |
| 16:07:05 | HCl | well, i might as well watch it since i can |
| 16:07:06 | ashridah | episode 4 kinda spoiled the ending for me ;) |
| 16:07:13 | HCl | i haven't seen episode 4 |
| 16:07:14 | HCl | :) |
| 16:07:17 | HCl | nor 5,6,7 |
| 16:07:32 | bobTHC | episode 7 ? |
| 16:07:36 | ashridah | it'd be hard to see 7 |
| 16:07:39 | HCl | isn't there a 7? oh :) |
| 16:08:06 | ashridah | well, unless you count that movie about the ewoks or whatever it was |
| 16:08:10 | bobTHC | the 4th is in fact "Star Wars" |
| 16:08:44 | ashridah | a new hope |
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| 16:08:55 | bobTHC | :) |
| 16:09:58 | amiconn | Bah. I set the language to german (iriver fw), but it still displays english. |
| 16:10:08 | Lynx_ | HCl: i hope you watch it in english, the dialogs were even worse in the german translation |
| 16:10:09 | bobTHC | it's normal |
| 16:10:09 | HCl | you probably need to reboot? |
| 16:10:16 | HCl | Lynx_: lmao. ofcourse. |
| 16:10:25 | amiconn | HCl: I did. |
| 16:10:28 | HCl | oh. |
| 16:10:29 | HCl | okay |
| 16:10:38 | crwl | does it actually have other languages than english? |
| 16:10:56 | crwl | i thought they all were really only about character set in tags |
| 16:11:01 | bobTHC | when Iriver says "German" it's just font support |
| 16:11:10 | bobTHC | yep |
| 16:11:20 | amiconn | That's really odd... |
| 16:11:54 | amiconn | When it says 'language' I'd expect this sets the ui language |
| 16:11:58 | preglow | it doesn't |
| 16:12:07 | tucoz | amiconn, now you getting to know why we want rockbox on the iriver |
| 16:12:15 | tucoz | your'e |
| 16:12:30 | tucoz | erm, you're |
| 16:12:51 | HCl | lmao. |
| 16:12:51 | HCl | yea |
| 16:12:56 | amiconn | Meh. I'll flash it in the evening. |
| 16:13:16 | amiconn | ..and I need to build the coldfire compiler |
| 16:13:52 | amiconn | Rockbox may not have all that fancy graphics stuff, but it's certainly much more user friendly. |
| 16:14:04 | Bagder | I totally agree |
| 16:14:15 | amiconn | Not that I care much about that graphics stuff |
| 16:14:46 | tucoz | although some graphical elements can enhance the usability a bit |
| 16:15:28 | amiconn | Yes of course |
| 16:15:54 | amiconn | The iriver fw ui has quite a number of unnecessary graphics |
| 16:16:13 | tucoz | the file browser is a bit strange |
| 16:16:53 | Bagder | not to mention the weird bouncy level meters in the playing screen |
| 16:18:05 | tucoz | what do they actually do? while(song_is_playing) do random calls to various bitmaps |
| 16:18:39 | crwl | and the font size... |
| 16:19:21 | tucoz | anyway, got to go. bye |
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| 16:20:31 | bobTHC | a fancy graphical UI (like on phone) with "most used" function is a good idea. and the "standard" rockbox UI to have all options for "power users" |
| 16:21:49 | bobTHC | but that's not really time to "cosmetics" things, i'm agree |
| 16:26:53 | preglow | i wonder why everything looks like crap in gnome when i set it to antialias fonts using the correct monitor pixel order |
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| 16:30:33 | amiconn | bobTHC: My phones all have textual menus (the cellphone has added icons though), and in fact I prefer it that way |
| 16:30:55 | bobTHC | it's normal ure a power user ;) |
| 16:31:12 | amiconn | ...and prefer the menus to be in my native language as well, although I have no problems using English |
| 16:32:06 | amiconn | The problem with icons is to make them really intuitive. |
| 16:32:12 | preglow | people tend to be so bad at translating to norwegian that i prefer using english for most things |
| 16:33:06 | bobTHC | amiconn> i'm totally agree with u but for a part of users, icons, contextual navigation... are more intuitive |
| 16:33:13 | ripnetuk | i think a lot of options should be switch-offable, as per the original iriver firmware, where I can say I NEVER was shuffle 1 folder, or shuffle 1 album. Then the options are shuffle all, and shuffle off, which is nice |
| 16:33:21 | ripnetuk | never WANT |
| 16:34:03 | amiconn | More options for disabling options sounds really odd to me |
| 16:35:02 | bobTHC | :) |
| 16:35:03 | crwl | being able to disable some shuffle/repeat modes that show up when you bang the A/B button *is* a good thing |
| 16:35:21 | amiconn | bobTHC: I agree that contextual navigation is a good thing, however I don't agree on the icon stuff |
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| 16:35:42 | amiconn | crwl: It's a question of navigation, not a question of disabling options |
| 16:35:55 | crwl | amiconn, may be |
| 16:37:15 | amiconn | preglow: With rockbox you have the chance to prettify the norwegian translation yourself ;-) |
| 16:37:16 | crwl | the iRiver UI doesn't offer a very good way to switch between different shuffle/repeat modes, and that's why being able to disable the unwanted modes is good :) |
| 16:37:44 | amiconn | I wonder what modes that might be |
| 16:38:06 | amiconn | (repeat) off, one track, all tracks |
| 16:38:11 | amiconn | (shuffle) on or off |
| 16:38:13 | preglow | amiconn: i have |
| 16:38:24 | preglow | but i'm so used to english i never use anything else |
| 16:38:33 | crwl | shuffle album (=directory), shuffle all, repeat album |
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| 16:39:18 | crwl | i can't remember what does "shuffle one" do, but there's such a setting too :) |
| 16:40:19 | preglow | shuffles one track over and over again! |
| 16:41:00 | amiconn | crwl: Mixing repeat and shuffle modes is bad navigation imho. The mode counts are multiplied... |
| 16:41:13 | crwl | amiconn, come to think of it, it is... |
| 16:41:44 | crwl | OTOH i rarely use any shuffle or repeat mode, so it hasn't bothered me very much |
| 16:41:46 | ripnetuk | also while on the subject, a semi-locked mode where only volume works would rock - im always accedently changing tracks |
| 16:42:03 | ripnetuk | of course, mp3 playback would rock more ;-) |
| 16:43:07 | crwl | i think i'll try rockbox when slasheri releases something that doesn't need a restart between tracks :P |
| 16:44:20 | preglow | it doesn't need a restart between tracks, it needs a restart each time you press 'stop' :P |
| 16:44:25 | preglow | which actually makes it quite useful for me |
| 16:44:31 | crwl | heh |
| 16:45:17 | amiconn | preglow: Non-working stop button? ;-) |
| 16:45:33 | preglow | haha, no |
| 16:45:37 | preglow | i tend to listen to entire albums |
| 16:45:50 | amiconn | Me too |
| 16:47:15 | crwl | me too |
| 16:47:26 | ripnetuk | i almost always have shuffle all on - in fact thats why i switched to rockbox in the first place when i had archos r20 |
| 16:47:45 | ripnetuk | apart from in the car - sudden death metal can be dangerous :) |
| 16:47:52 | bobTHC | lol |
| 16:48:32 | bobTHC | particularly just after a sonata ;) |
| 16:48:56 | ripnetuk | system of a down == best car music |
| 16:49:27 | bobTHC | to be arrested ? |
| 16:51:27 | crwl | hrm. now I need to find out what to do in order to build rockbox for my h120 |
| 16:51:37 | crwl | i just understood i don't have anything better to do today |
| 16:51:54 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide |
| 16:52:03 | crwl | is "1.65 U" eu or us version? can't remember which one i have there |
| 16:52:19 | bobTHC | win32 or linux ? |
| 16:52:27 | crwl | linux |
| 16:52:44 | bobTHC | so RTFM |
| 16:52:47 | crwl | yes. :) |
| 16:54:19 | crwl | i take it slasheri's patches are meant to be built against current CVS? |
| 16:54:45 | Bagder | yes |
| 16:57:54 | amiconn | I'll probably add a nice H-140 scan to the wiki, showing the rockbox logo |
| 17:00 |
| 17:01:12 | ripnetuk | cya guys |
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| 17:12:55 | t0mas|lt | lo |
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| 17:22:22 | HCl | If it stinks, it's chemistry. If it moves, it's biology. If it doesn't work, it's computerscience! |
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| 17:22:51 | bobTHC | hehe |
| 17:32:50 | crwl | /home/crawlie/rockbox/rockbox/tools/buildzip.pl -r "/home/crawlie/rockbox/rockbox" -DIRIVER_H100 rockbox.iriver |
| 17:32:54 | crwl | can't open dir fonts at /home/crawlie/rockbox/rockbox/tools/buildzip.pl line 88. |
| 17:32:57 | crwl | hrm? |
| 17:32:57 | * | HCl watches star wars ep 4 |
| 17:33:29 | preglow | have you checked out fonts, then? |
| 17:33:39 | crwl | maybe I haven't... :P |
| 17:34:28 | crwl | thanks :) |
| 17:36:28 | preglow | np |
| 17:41:35 | HCl | i'm bored :/ |
| 17:41:42 | HCl | how far has Slasheri 's patch progressed? |
| 17:41:45 | HCl | is it stable yet? |
| 17:41:48 | crwl | so how do i play something with slasheri's patch? |
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| 17:42:17 | preglow | crwl: just select it |
| 17:42:21 | preglow | HCl: what do you mean by stable? |
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| 17:42:27 | preglow | it was stable yesterday |
| 17:42:42 | HCl | well, earlier he had crashes during mp3 playback |
| 17:43:01 | HCl | it still has the start stop bug right? |
| 17:43:09 | preglow | yea |
| 17:43:14 | HCl | but thats all? |
| 17:43:18 | preglow | he had cpu_boost crashes, i blieve |
| 17:43:19 | crwl | preglow, nothing seems to happen, the hd light just lights up and then comes off |
| 17:43:22 | preglow | i think they've been fixed |
| 17:43:27 | crwl | or did i already cause the start stop bug? |
| 17:43:28 | preglow | crwl: press up and down a bit |
| 17:43:38 | preglow | crwl: to see if volume needs adjusting |
| 17:43:48 | crwl | the screen says the same too |
| 17:43:50 | Slasheri | hi |
| 17:44:04 | Slasheri | crwl: You need the codecs copied to /iriver/.rockbox/codecs/ |
| 17:44:08 | crwl | ahhhhh |
| 17:44:12 | preglow | haha |
| 17:44:15 | crwl | thanks :) |
| 17:44:17 | Slasheri | :) |
| 17:45:20 | Slasheri | I think that the start/stop -bug is a wps problem and i know nothing about wps yet.. |
| 17:45:31 | HCl | what do you mean wps problem? |
| 17:45:32 | crwl | hum, i don't have apps/plugins/*.rock |
| 17:45:34 | HCl | do we have a wps yet? |
| 17:45:40 | crwl | i wonder what have i messed up now |
| 17:45:55 | Slasheri | anyway, the system will send immediately audio_pause followed by audio_stop when play will be selected second time |
| 17:46:10 | Slasheri | So the playback system wont refuse to play but system will stop it |
| 17:46:33 | HCl | what? o.o |
| 17:46:39 | Slasheri | :D |
| 17:46:51 | Slasheri | i don't know yet why this happens |
| 17:46:58 | HCl | okay |
| 17:47:10 | Slasheri | But i think that somebody who knows something about wps, should fix it |
| 17:47:52 | preglow | scramble someone who knows something about wps! |
| 17:48:04 | HCl | we have that person |
| 17:48:12 | * | HCl searches for t0mas|lt and holds him up |
| 17:48:14 | HCl | see? |
| 17:48:21 | HCl | we just need to dust it off and get it working |
| 17:48:25 | HCl | :p |
| 17:48:40 | * | preglow gives t0mas|lt a duster |
| 17:48:40 | * | HCl prods the t0mas|lt |
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| 17:53:50 | crwl | should i have apps/codecs/codec.c? it's mentioned in snapshot.diff |
| 17:54:10 | Slasheri | now, you should not have it |
| 17:54:13 | Slasheri | -w |
| 17:54:25 | Slasheri | I just forgot to remove those lines |
| 17:56:40 | crwl | but why don't I have apps/plugins/codec*.rock after compiling? :) |
| 17:57:37 | Slasheri | Hmm, they should be in your build directory somewhere |
| 17:57:47 | preglow | Slasheri: what do you need to do before it'll be commited? |
| 17:57:51 | Slasheri | Try find rockboxroot -name 'codec*.rock' |
| 17:58:09 | Slasheri | preglow: I don't know, nothing big i think :) |
| 17:58:14 | crwl | oh, they're under build/apps/plugins/ ... stupid me :) |
| 17:58:20 | crwl | doh. |
| 17:58:25 | Slasheri | :) |
| 17:58:28 | crwl | i thought i did use find already |
| 17:58:29 | preglow | good |
| 17:58:39 | preglow | with this much new code, there should be a commit soon |
| 17:59:34 | Slasheri | currently i am trying to fix some bugs and investigating gapless mp3 playback |
| 17:59:55 | Slasheri | I think that i will give the wps stuff for someone else to do (who is more familiar with it) |
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| 18:00:30 | preglow | yea |
| 18:00:34 | preglow | t0mas expressed a wish to work on it |
| 18:00:44 | Slasheri | yes, that's great :) |
| 18:02:43 | * | HCl is also waiting for it to be committed |
| 18:02:52 | HCl | after tomas is done, i'm gonna get the runtime database up and running |
| 18:03:05 | HCl | and after that, work on rockbeans |
| 18:03:20 | HCl | and after that, try to create a better gui with austriancoder |
| 18:03:25 | HCl | busy :x |
| 18:03:56 | preglow | hope i'll have some time to code stuff come july/august |
| 18:04:14 | Slasheri | btw, if some is interested in porting existing codecs to support codec api, it should be quite easy. Just take a look to codecvorbis and codecmpa |
| 18:04:21 | Slasheri | +body |
| 18:04:34 | preglow | if i feel i've a good boy afterwards, i might take on a couple |
| 18:04:57 | preglow | been a good boy, even |
| 18:05:00 | preglow | but i'll just idle a bit now |
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| 18:19:03 | HCl | t0mas: get working on wps! :p |
| 18:19:24 | t0mas | what? is there a patch? |
| 18:19:41 | crwl | can't i currently enter the filebrowser while playing? |
| 18:21:58 | t0mas | HCl: is there a patch? |
| 18:22:01 | HCl | yes |
| 18:22:02 | HCl | there is |
| 18:22:04 | t0mas | where? |
| 18:22:10 | HCl | but i just crashed and don't remember where |
| 18:22:13 | * | HCl pokes preglow |
| 18:22:15 | t0mas | I was sort of busy... as in girlfriend here... |
| 18:22:20 | HCl | mm.. |
| 18:22:27 | t0mas | and she's cooking now... so I have 10 minutes ;) |
| 18:23:03 | Chamois | http://ihme.org/~miipekk/rockbox/ |
| 18:23:07 | Chamois | here |
| 18:24:19 | t0mas | k |
| 18:24:56 | t0mas | hm... I need the new bootloader for that right? |
| 18:25:06 | t0mas | (maybe that's HCl's problem too?) |
| 18:25:16 | Chamois | hmm |
| 18:25:20 | Chamois | maybe |
| 18:25:42 | HCl | wha? |
| 18:25:46 | HCl | new bootloader |
| 18:25:46 | HCl | ? |
| 18:25:48 | Chamois | because of the 16 mb RAM mirroring ? |
| 18:25:51 | HCl | oh |
| 18:25:52 | HCl | right |
| 18:26:12 | t0mas | yes Chamois that's what I thought |
| 18:26:14 | HCl | god |
| 18:26:17 | HCl | my laptop is pathetic |
| 18:26:17 | t0mas | but maybe it's just bs ;) |
| 18:26:20 | HCl | 2800+ |
| 18:26:24 | HCl | and it can't even play an xvid properly. |
| 18:26:32 | t0mas | hmz... sounds like windows? :P |
| 18:26:35 | HCl | yea. |
| 18:26:41 | t0mas | and a lot of spyware? |
| 18:26:41 | HCl | i can't get wireless to work in linux. |
| 18:26:46 | HCl | no |
| 18:26:50 | t0mas | what card? |
| 18:27:00 | HCl | internal, broadcom. |
| 18:27:02 | HCl | the card works. |
| 18:27:05 | HCl | 802.1x does not. |
| 18:27:22 | HCl | and i don't have non-802.1x networks. |
| 18:27:48 | t0mas | that's wpa right? |
| 18:27:54 | HCl | no |
| 18:27:56 | HCl | but like it. |
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| 18:28:17 | t0mas | tried ndiswrapper? |
| 18:28:22 | t0mas | and wpa_supplicant? |
| 18:28:33 | t0mas | I have those on my laptop... and it just works there... |
| 18:33:13 | HCl | yes |
| 18:33:15 | HCl | both |
| 18:33:19 | HCl | wpa supplicant failed |
| 18:33:32 | HCl | and there are absolutely no howtos on how to set it up |
| 18:33:38 | HCl | the few docs that i did find did not work |
| 18:33:45 | HCl | ndiswrapper works, the rest doesn't. |
| 18:34:06 | t0mas | then retry wpa_supplicant... |
| 18:34:08 | t0mas | it works here |
| 18:34:18 | HCl | i don't see why i should retry it unless i want to frustrate myself even more |
| 18:34:28 | HCl | nothing has changed to wpa supplicant, nothing has changed of our network |
| 18:34:32 | HCl | there is no new documentation. |
| 18:34:41 | HCl | i won't have any better chance at getting it to work than before |
| 18:35:04 | t0mas | well... you can try some different options... |
| 18:35:17 | HCl | i tried everything, the errors i got were never documented |
| 18:35:24 | HCl | then i got too frustrated and gave up. |
| 18:35:45 | t0mas | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/8021X-HOWTO/ |
| 18:36:00 | HCl | hmm, thats new :) |
| 18:36:24 | t0mas | that's not what you need |
| 18:36:31 | t0mas | just read it... it's about PEAP |
| 18:36:33 | HCl | i thought so o.o |
| 18:36:40 | HCl | i need eap-ttls |
| 18:36:46 | HCl | tunneled pap |
| 18:36:53 | t0mas | http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=25891 |
| 18:37:02 | HCl | i use debian/ubuntu |
| 18:37:19 | t0mas | wpa supplicant is the same in FC3 as in debian |
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| 18:38:48 | t0mas | EAP-TTLS/PAP |
| 18:38:54 | t0mas | is what you needed right? |
| 18:40:13 | HCl | yea |
| 18:40:37 | HCl | well, wireless broke just a while ago anyways, i wouldn't be able to connect :/ |
| 18:41:33 | t0mas | hm... for when it works again: http://hostap.epitest.fi/wpa_supplicant/wpa_gui.html |
| 18:41:39 | t0mas | a graphical tool to do it :) |
| 18:41:41 | HCl | nice |
| 18:41:43 | HCl | :) |
| 18:41:45 | HCl | i'll try that, thanks |
| 18:41:56 | HCl | i'm starting to find reasons to switch to linux |
| 18:42:22 | t0mas | yes... and the dutch tax idiots now have a web form... |
| 18:42:35 | t0mas | so you don't have to install their 16 bit windows 3.11 app anymore :P |
| 18:42:51 | HCl | hehe.. |
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| 18:45:50 | preglow | t0mas: new bootloader is done in a minute anyway |
| 18:46:11 | t0mas | is there a precompiled bin already? |
| 18:46:37 | preglow | everything you need is in the wiki IriverBoot page |
| 18:46:57 | CoCoLUS | i tried ubuntu today |
| 18:47:54 | CoCoLUS | took me 15 minuten alone to get alsa working (damn thing wouldn't use the second soundcard) |
| 18:48:46 | CoCoLUS | i really don't understand how someone could use esd instead of alsa per default... |
| 18:50:12 | HCl | the fwpatcher really is minimal, isn't it. |
| 18:50:22 | HCl | if it says success, can i assume the h120.hex is okay? |
| 18:50:29 | rasher | Yes. |
| 18:50:33 | HCl | okay |
| 18:50:40 | rasher | of course, you can also md5sum it yourself |
| 18:50:43 | HCl | mhm.. |
| 18:50:46 | HCl | windows though. |
| 18:50:56 | HCl | it'd be nice if the fwpatcher mentioned the md5sum |
| 18:51:13 | CoCoLUS | rasher, you coded the fwpatcher? |
| 18:51:52 | CoCoLUS | just wanted to say thanks, its quite a timesaver |
| 18:52:05 | * | HCl goes to flash |
| 18:52:08 | preglow | HCl: you should of course assume the firmware is ok |
| 18:53:02 | preglow | a window saying "this firmware is Verified To Be Ok(tm)" sounds kind of silly to me |
| 18:53:18 | preglow | CoCoLUS: i coded it |
| 18:53:21 | HCl | flashing.. |
| 18:54:14 | HCl | that didn't take as long as last time, it feels.. |
| 18:54:15 | CoCoLUS | oh |
| 18:54:15 | CoCoLUS | well |
| 18:54:19 | CoCoLUS | thanks preglow ;) |
| 18:54:27 | preglow | save your thanks, send money! |
| 18:54:29 | preglow | :P |
| 18:54:33 | HCl | :P |
| 18:54:38 | * | HCl pokes t0mas |
| 18:54:52 | t0mas | hm? |
| 18:54:57 | HCl | work on wps :p |
| 18:55:10 | CoCoLUS | i'll send you an iriver employee paid to do anything you want him to ;) |
| 18:55:11 | HCl | we can have rockbox running really quickly now o.o |
| 18:55:51 | * | t0mas points a few lines up... |
| 18:55:57 | t0mas | gf here... and time for dinner now :) |
| 18:56:11 | t0mas | and I'm really busy the next 2 weeks... |
| 18:56:16 | HCl | :/ |
| 18:56:24 | t0mas | have to finish a lot of things before my vacation starts |
| 18:56:27 | preglow | boulderdash! |
| 18:56:40 | t0mas | ? |
| 18:56:52 | preglow | you've watched too little futurama |
| 18:56:58 | HCl | yesh! |
| 18:56:59 | HCl | :) |
| 18:57:03 | HCl | futurama rocks |
| 18:57:07 | preglow | aye |
| 18:57:07 | HCl | too bad they quit :/ |
| 18:57:12 | preglow | again, aye |
| 18:57:18 | preglow | but that's the way good series go |
| 18:57:24 | HCl | mmm... |
| 18:57:32 | HCl | *wonders about the new simpsons* |
| 18:57:40 | preglow | simpsons have grown stale and boring |
| 18:57:41 | HCl | god i hate not having wireless. |
| 18:57:44 | HCl | yea. |
| 18:57:48 | HCl | but better than nothing |
| 18:57:57 | preglow | well, i just gave up watching it |
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| 18:58:03 | preglow | should be about time for a new family guy soon, though |
| 18:59:32 | HCl | argh. |
| 18:59:44 | * | HCl again accidentally tries to use wireless when he cant |
| 18:59:56 | HCl | tomorrow, first thing in the morning, i'll buy utp cables :/ :/ |
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| 19:04:31 | Slasheri | Hmm, i can find song length from mp3entry struct but is there somewhere a frame length also? |
| 19:04:54 | Slasheri | Maybe i have to calculate that on fly.. |
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| 19:05:45 | HCl | i thought lame also had the amount of zeroes in the last frame |
| 19:05:47 | * | HCl prods preglow |
| 19:06:46 | preglow | hmm? |
| 19:06:52 | HCl | know anything about that? |
| 19:06:54 | preglow | frame length is constant? |
| 19:08:01 | preglow | i'm fairly certain it is |
| 19:08:08 | preglow | brb |
| 19:09:49 | preglow | forget it |
| 19:09:59 | preglow | i keep thinking 'window' |
| 19:10:20 | preglow | frame size is put in each frame header, no? |
| 19:10:50 | preglow | why do you need frame length, btw? |
| 19:11:33 | Slasheri | I am not sure, it might be useful to use with song length to cut the last bytes out from the stream |
| 19:12:00 | Slasheri | But hmm.. It should work with pcm data so maybe it's not very useful :) |
| 19:13:34 | Slasheri | Perhaps first_frame_offset is more useful |
| 19:13:39 | Slasheri | I will try that at first |
| 19:14:19 | preglow | how do you know libmad is giving you the last frame, btw? |
| 19:14:30 | Slasheri | I dont :) |
| 19:14:35 | preglow | how nice |
| 19:14:46 | Slasheri | But that can be calculated |
| 19:14:57 | preglow | well, i believe all you need to do is shave the first frame and the last frame by the padding amounts |
| 19:15:07 | preglow | by the latency and padding amount |
| 19:15:36 | Slasheri | Hmm, yep. I will try figure out more from mpeg.c |
| 19:16:13 | preglow | samples per frame differs with sample rate as well, btw |
| 19:16:48 | Slasheri | ok. Maybe it's best to calculate the real sample count |
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| 19:19:26 | amiconn | mp3 frames have a fixed playtime (depending on sample frequency), but not a fixed length |
| 19:20:05 | amiconn | preglow: Samples per frame is constant for the same mpeg version |
| 19:22:21 | preglow | of course |
| 19:22:35 | preglow | having that dependent on sample rate would risk not having constant length frames |
| 19:27:07 | * | HCl waits for Slasheri's patch to get committed.. |
| 19:27:24 | HCl | star wars is boring :/ |
| 19:33:41 | preglow | well, no shit |
| 19:47:22 | Slasheri | does anybody have any short mp3s that are gapless for sure? |
| 19:48:56 | crwl | are there that kind of mp3's? |
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| 19:49:22 | preglow | Slasheri: i can get you gapless mp3s, methinks |
| 19:49:26 | preglow | dunno about short, though |
| 19:49:42 | jochen | good evening everybody |
| 19:49:48 | Slasheri | preglow: great. I also have something but i am not sure if they are encodec right way so they really are gapless |
| 19:49:58 | preglow | do you have foobar? |
| 19:50:20 | Slasheri | hmm, i no :) |
| 19:50:32 | preglow | well, if you download foobar2000, that can tell you if it's gapless |
| 19:50:32 | Slasheri | -i |
| 19:50:46 | Slasheri | ah, thanks :) |
| 19:51:01 | preglow | just open the file, right click on it and choose properties |
| 19:51:03 | Slasheri | Hmm, is that software for linux or windows only? |
| 19:51:08 | preglow | windows only :/ |
| 19:51:09 | Slasheri | so it's windows app.. :/ |
| 19:51:20 | preglow | ill see about getting you some gapless mp3s |
| 19:51:36 | preglow | if i can find them, i'm in linux myself |
| 19:51:38 | Slasheri | But i can reboot windows on other machine, just a moment |
| 19:51:41 | preglow | ahh |
| 19:51:42 | Slasheri | :) |
| 19:52:31 | jochen | um, i don't want to disturb you, but i can't make the codec*.rock work |
| 19:52:59 | preglow | i suggest you wait until it's in cvs |
| 19:53:21 | Slasheri | that's true.. |
| 19:53:36 | preglow | we can't spend time supporting unofficial patches |
| 19:53:41 | Slasheri | jochen: have you copied the codecvorbis.rock and codecmpa.rock to .rockbox/codecs/ ? |
| 19:53:48 | preglow | and the coder himself spends the time better coding ;) |
| 19:53:53 | jochen | Slasheri, yeah, i did. |
| 19:53:54 | Slasheri | :) |
| 19:54:03 | Slasheri | Hmm, what was the problem? |
| 19:54:26 | jochen | well, i just don't get any sound. but well, ok, i'm just gonna wait. |
| 19:54:36 | Slasheri | you have to touch the volume key |
| 19:54:43 | preglow | jochen: shouldn't be too long before the code is official anyway |
| 19:54:53 | jochen | Slasheri, i did |
| 19:55:15 | Slasheri | jochen: Hmm.. Did it fill the buffer loading a bunch of songs from disk? |
| 19:55:56 | jochen | Slasheri, don't think so as the hard drive isn't really doing something as i select a song |
| 19:56:16 | Slasheri | jochen: I think you haven't updated rockbox.iriver |
| 19:56:29 | Slasheri | That should go to your iriver root folder |
| 19:56:44 | jochen | Slasheri, you may call me dumb from now... ;-) |
| 19:56:49 | Slasheri | ;D |
| 19:56:55 | jochen | i'm sorry for wasting your time. |
| 19:57:01 | preglow | hehe |
| 19:57:17 | jochen | thanks for your help and go on coding. ;-D |
| 19:57:22 | Slasheri | :) |
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| 20:10:16 | preglow | but yeah |
| 20:10:39 | preglow | properites window in foobar2000 should say something like mp3_accurate_length = 1 to the right |
| 20:10:42 | preglow | if it's gapless |
| 20:11:20 | thegeek | hmm |
| 20:11:25 | thegeek | does rockbox support replaygain? |
| 20:11:30 | preglow | not yet |
| 20:11:39 | preglow | mp3s dont need player support for replaygain |
| 20:11:46 | preglow | they're modified |
| 20:11:52 | crwl | they do if you want both album and track gain |
| 20:12:00 | preglow | sure |
| 20:12:00 | crwl | or precision better than 1,5 dB |
| 20:12:06 | preglow | 0.5, afaik |
| 20:12:17 | crwl | i thought it was 1.5, but i'm not certain |
| 20:12:20 | thegeek | what do you mean they dont need it? |
| 20:12:22 | preglow | me neither ;) |
| 20:12:23 | crwl | heh |
| 20:12:30 | preglow | thegeek: the gain in the track is altered |
| 20:12:38 | preglow | thegeek: so all mp3 players can handle it |
| 20:12:39 | thegeek | it is? |
| 20:12:40 | thegeek | oh |
| 20:12:42 | preglow | yes |
| 20:12:45 | preglow | but that's just track gain |
| 20:12:46 | thegeek | ah |
| 20:12:49 | preglow | like crwl says |
| 20:12:50 | thegeek | yes |
| 20:12:58 | thegeek | I have mixed format albums;) |
| 20:13:07 | preglow | how nice :P |
| 20:13:08 | thegeek | and only use album-replaygain |
| 20:13:14 | thegeek | hhumhum |
| 20:13:26 | crwl | it can be just album gain too, whichever you decide |
| 20:14:29 | preglow | well, yeah |
| 20:14:47 | preglow | anywho |
| 20:14:51 | preglow | proper replaygain is better |
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| 20:18:51 | thegeek | proper? |
| 20:18:54 | thegeek | wow |
| 20:18:56 | thegeek | I'm confused |
| 20:19:00 | thegeek | and I feel like a noob |
| 20:19:05 | thegeek | suddenly I don't like replaygain |
| 20:19:08 | thegeek | ;p |
| 20:19:48 | crwl | proper replaygain where you save the necessary data somewhere else, usually in a tag |
| 20:20:04 | thegeek | ah |
| 20:20:05 | thegeek | yes |
| 20:20:10 | thegeek | that's what I'm using I guess |
| 20:20:15 | thegeek | with foobar |
| 20:21:38 | Slasheri | preglow: Hmm. If i enabled gapless from dsp settings, the foobar gives gapless output |
| 20:21:54 | Slasheri | But i was unable to find the mp3_accurate_length parameter |
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| 20:35:18 | preglow | Slasheri: you shouldn't have to enable it |
| 20:36:14 | preglow | but i can send you a couple of tracks that are supposed to be gapless if you want |
| 20:36:17 | preglow | just need to find |
| 20:36:37 | Slasheri | preglow: Hmm, it's not gapless unless i enable it :/ |
| 20:37:24 | Slasheri | will sound exactly same as on iriver without the gapless option |
| 20:37:44 | preglow | then the mp3s aren't gapless |
| 20:37:48 | Slasheri | :/ |
| 20:37:53 | preglow | but gimme a sec |
| 20:37:57 | Slasheri | :) |
| 20:38:03 | preglow | all i've got are bloody .ogg files, heh |
| 20:38:10 | Slasheri | hehe :D |
| 20:38:14 | amiconn | Hmpf, it seems I am unable to build coldfire gcc :( |
| 20:38:19 | preglow | amiconn: why? |
| 20:38:51 | amiconn | I get that dreaded fmovem operand mismatch error, and the patch doesn't work for gcc 3.4.4 |
| 20:39:05 | amiconn | (disabling all multilibs but m5200) |
| 20:39:25 | amiconn | The Makefile seems to be completely rewritten compared to gcc 3.4.3 |
| 20:40:39 | Stryke` | preglow: most of my files are recent lame encodes and gapless |
| 20:41:04 | preglow | Stryke`: i just got him a couple, let's see if there are any problems with those |
| 20:41:08 | Stryke` | ok |
| 20:41:51 | preglow | fmovem, of all things |
| 20:42:01 | preglow | well |
| 20:42:05 | preglow | i gave up trying to make it work in cygwin |
| 20:42:58 | HCl | anything new? |
| 20:43:05 | HCl | aside from my wlan working again, yay. |
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| 20:49:32 | * | HCl prods people |
| 20:49:53 | HCl | guess not.. |
| 20:51:03 | preglow | haha |
| 20:56:17 | amiconn | I found something... let's see whether this will work |
| 20:57:20 | Slasheri | Hmm, now iriver was almost gapless with that same song =) |
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| 21:02:23 | preglow | Slasheri: foobar reports mp3_accurate_blahblah for those, yes? |
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| 21:15:31 | t0mas | HCl? is this plugin from plugin calling working already? |
| 21:17:47 | amiconn | The iriver backlight is mouted on the right side of the lcd only? |
| 21:17:47 | amiconn | *mounted |
| 21:17:47 | preglow | looks like it |
| 21:17:47 | preglow | screen is fairly evenly lit, though |
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| 21:18:31 | amiconn | It seems there are more buttons on the remote than on the main unit |
| 21:18:41 | preglow | there are indeed |
| 21:18:49 | preglow | it's a pretty nice remote |
| 21:19:05 | HCl | t0mas: no |
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| 21:19:29 | HCl | o_O |
| 21:19:36 | HCl | netsplit o.o; |
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| 21:22:43 | HCl | o.o |
| 21:22:43 | HCl | anyways. |
| 21:22:49 | HCl | what'd i miss |
| 21:23:07 | crwl | hehe |
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| 21:32:28 | amiconn | Yay, finally! m68k-elf-gcc 3.4.4 up and running |
| 21:35:04 | preglow | w000t |
| 21:35:12 | preglow | so, what'll you be starting out on? ;) |
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| 21:38:05 | amiconn | I'm going to flash now... |
| 21:40:19 | amiconn | Rockbox is there... :-)) |
| 21:41:20 | t0mas|lt | :) |
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| 21:42:38 | t0mas | I'm back :) |
| 21:42:55 | preglow | will making the wps work constitute much work? |
| 21:43:08 | t0mas | not sure |
| 21:43:15 | t0mas | first have to find where to add the functions |
| 21:46:59 | HCl | yay. |
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| 21:59:07 | amiconn | The iriver scrolling method is strange... |
| 21:59:28 | preglow | what scrolling method? |
| 21:59:40 | preglow | it doesn't scroll |
| 21:59:47 | amiconn | haha, yes |
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| 22:04:05 | amiconn | Whatever you may call what it does, it looks odd... |
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| 22:09:52 | HCl | ugh. |
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| 22:13:23 | Dave99 | hello? |
| 22:13:28 | preglow | hi? |
| 22:13:37 | bipak_ | :> |
| 22:13:57 | Dave99 | could anyone give me a bit of help getting rockbox to build? |
| 22:15:08 | preglow | what's wrong? |
| 22:15:35 | Dave99 | well, I am doing this for the first time so maybe I have missed something |
| 22:15:49 | Dave99 | I have installed cygwin environment |
| 22:15:56 | Dave99 | got the src from cvs |
| 22:16:14 | Dave99 | it compiles loads of c files |
| 22:16:44 | Dave99 | then fails CONVBDF |
| 22:16:44 | Dave99 | make[1]: /home/David/rockbox/tools/convbdf: Command not found |
| 22:16:44 | Dave99 | make[1]: *** [/home/David/rockbox/build/firmware/sysfont.o] Error 127 |
| 22:16:44 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Dave99 |
| 22:16:44 | Dave99 | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
| 22:17:05 | preglow | go to tools directory |
| 22:17:07 | preglow | type 'make' |
| 22:17:11 | preglow | then continue as you were |
| 22:17:27 | preglow | Bagder: why doesn't that happen automatically anyway? |
| 22:17:38 | amiconn | It once did... |
| 22:17:42 | preglow | i know |
| 22:17:44 | preglow | i never had to do that |
| 22:17:55 | Dave99 | thats looking better - cheers! |
| 22:18:06 | Dave99 | give me visual studio ;o) |
| 22:18:09 | preglow | heh |
| 22:19:39 | CoCoLUS | or at least eclipse :) |
| 22:19:51 | Dave99 | got a lot further, does this mean anything to you |
| 22:19:51 | Dave99 | (dumb) CC src/it/itload.c |
| 22:19:52 | Dave99 | (dumb) CC src/it/itread.c |
| 22:19:52 | Dave99 | src/it/itread.c: In function `it_load_sigdata': |
| 22:19:52 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 22:19:52 | Dave99 | src/it/itread.c:1161: error: insn does not satisfy its constraints: |
| 22:19:53 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
| 22:19:53 | Dave99 | (insn 2275 1148 1149 77 0x0 (set (reg:QI 8 %a0) |
| 22:19:53 | *** | Alert Mode level 3 |
| 22:19:53 | Dave99 | (mem/s/j:QI (plus:SI (reg/f:SI 8 %a0 [354]) |
| 22:19:55 | Dave99 | (const_int -288 [0xfffffee0])) [0 mididata S1 A8])) 37 {*m68k.md |
| 22:19:57 | Dave99 | :1060} (nil) |
| 22:19:59 | Dave99 | (nil)) |
| 22:20:01 | Dave99 | src/it/itread.c:1161: internal compiler error: in reload_cse_simplify_operands, |
| 22:20:14 | Dave99 | at reload1.c:8378 |
| 22:20:14 | Dave99 | Please submit a full bug report, |
| 22:20:14 | Dave99 | with preprocessed source if appropriate. |
| 22:20:14 | *** | Alert Mode level 4 |
| 22:20:14 | Dave99 | See <URL:http://gcc.gnu.org/bugs.html> for instructions. |
| 22:20:15 | *** | Alert Mode level 5 |
| 22:20:15 | Dave99 | make[4]: *** [/home/David/rockbox/build/apps/codecs/dumb/itread.o] Error 1 |
| 22:20:15 | *** | Alert Mode level 6 |
| 22:20:15 | Dave99 | make[3]: *** [all] Error 2 |
| 22:20:16 | *** | Alert Mode level 7 |
| 22:20:16 | Dave99 | make[2]: *** [dumb] Error 2 |
| 22:20:18 | Dave99 | make[1]: *** [build-codecs] Error 2 |
| 22:21:07 | preglow | ouch |
| 22:21:11 | preglow | what gcc is this? |
| 22:21:33 | preglow | version, that is |
| 22:21:54 | Dave99 | 3.3.3 by the looks of it |
| 22:22:05 | preglow | i'd advice you get 3.4.x |
| 22:22:08 | amiconn | I'd rather suspect binutils, as it's an asm error.. |
| 22:22:13 | preglow | no it's not |
| 22:22:17 | preglow | it's a gcc backend error |
| 22:22:28 | amiconn | Anyway, gcc 3.4 is also recommended for iriver builds |
| 22:22:33 | preglow | yes |
| 22:22:35 | amiconn | 3.4.x that is |
| 22:22:41 | preglow | we've had plenty of compiler errors with 3.3.x |
| 22:22:47 | amiconn | I just built 3.4.4 successfully on cygwin |
| 22:23:01 | Dave99 | grrr, I'll give it a go - is it just a matter of rerunning cygwin installer and picking a later version? |
| 22:23:08 | amiconn | Nope |
| 22:23:22 | preglow | not unless you're building a sim |
| 22:23:27 | preglow | which you're not |
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| 22:23:57 | amiconn | preglow: Default cygwin gcc is still 3.3.3 (which is sufficient for the sims btw) |
| 22:23:58 | preglow | Slasheri: how's mp3 coming? |
| 22:24:06 | preglow | amiconn: is that so |
| 22:24:06 | Dave99 | ah, fair enough |
| 22:24:13 | jochen | good evening again. ;-) |
| 22:24:17 | preglow | jochen: welcome back |
| 22:24:22 | jochen | thx preglow |
| 22:24:25 | crwl | how's wps etc. coming? ;) |
| 22:24:30 | preglow | it's not |
| 22:24:34 | Slasheri | argh, network was down few minutes :) |
| 22:24:37 | Slasheri | preglow: almost ready |
| 22:24:46 | jochen | Dave99, that's in fact a matter of gcc's version. i've had the same problem. |
| 22:24:46 | preglow | Slasheri: stellar |
| 22:24:57 | preglow | yeah, it's a known problem |
| 22:24:57 | Slasheri | :) |
| 22:25:00 | preglow | i've seen it loads of time |
| 22:25:01 | preglow | s |
| 22:25:15 | jochen | Slasheri, you're gonna be my god when it's finished. ;-) |
| 22:25:21 | Slasheri | :D |
| 22:25:28 | preglow | well, at least you'll have proof your god exists |
| 22:25:43 | HCl | hehe. |
| 22:25:51 | jochen | lol |
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| 22:25:55 | HCl | yea |
| 22:25:55 | preglow | you can also claim he has granted you gifts without feeling the gnawing doubt in your mind |
| 22:26:01 | jochen | good one. ;-) |
| 22:26:27 | jochen | omg, i've ever known computer scientists are freaks. *gg* |
| 22:26:36 | Slasheri | preglow: indeed :D |
| 22:26:42 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 22:26:42 | * | jochen gets himself another beer |
| 22:26:56 | * | preglow gets... water.... |
| 22:27:09 | amiconn | preglow: huh? |
| 22:27:25 | jochen | preglow, water? yeah, you're indeed a freak. ;-) |
| 22:27:55 | preglow | amiconn: huh what? |
| 22:28:31 | amiconn | water... do I remember something incorrectly? ;-) |
| 22:28:39 | preglow | i've fallen on bad times |
| 22:28:50 | amiconn | Bah, these gaps are annoying :( (iriver fw) |
| 22:28:57 | preglow | amiconn: no shit |
| 22:29:19 | jochen | btw, i love the rockbox project, all of its members and i'm really looking forward to help you coding someday. ;-) |
| 22:29:25 | preglow | we too |
| 22:29:48 | jochen | when i've finished my bachelor's thesis... |
| 22:30:17 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 22:30:22 | preglow | oh, indeed |
| 22:30:23 | bipak_ | how many devs are currently on the iriver rockbox fw? |
| 22:31:20 | t0mas | amiconn? the plugin api docs.... can I update those? |
| 22:31:30 | t0mas | in there it says: int fprintf(int fd, const char *fmt, ...); |
| 22:31:42 | t0mas | while it is int fdprintf(int fd, const char *fmt, ...); |
| 22:31:44 | t0mas | afaik |
| 22:32:25 | jochen | hey, don't spend any time on docs *lol* |
| 22:33:20 | thegeek | what binutils do I want when compiling gcc 3.4.4 for iriver ? |
| 22:33:24 | t0mas | Bagder in version 1.81: "fprintf() is now fdprintf()" |
| 22:33:45 | preglow | it is |
| 22:33:51 | preglow | thegeek: 2.16 |
| 22:33:53 | thegeek | hmm |
| 22:33:54 | thegeek | wierd |
| 22:33:58 | t0mas | jochen: it's better to have these kind of things right.. it slows down devving a lot when you have to search for those functions |
| 22:33:58 | jochen | thegeek, i used 2.16 |
| 22:33:59 | amiconn | thegeek: 2.16, always |
| 22:34:22 | jochen | t0mas, yeah, i know. was ment to be a joke. ;-) |
| 22:34:24 | thegeek | mhm |
| 22:34:38 | t0mas | :) |
| 22:36:24 | thegeek | I had to add the /bin inside the buildenv in order for gcc to find sh-elf-ar ;) |
| 22:36:39 | thegeek | s/add/add it to the path |
| 22:36:48 | thegeek | bah |
| 22:36:49 | thegeek | oh well |
| 22:36:57 | jochen | pardon? *gg* |
| 22:37:03 | thegeek | hehe |
| 22:37:16 | thegeek | I was trying to compile gcc |
| 22:37:34 | thegeek | but it refused to find sh-elf-ar because the /bin of the prefix path was not in my path |
| 22:38:01 | thegeek | humhum |
| 22:38:03 | preglow | thegeek: of course you have to add it to the path |
| 22:38:09 | jochen | yeah, that's mentioned in the wiki, isn't it thegeek? |
| 22:38:12 | thegeek | ;p |
| 22:38:12 | t0mas | or symlink it somewhere... |
| 22:38:13 | thegeek | no |
| 22:38:16 | thegeek | well |
| 22:38:18 | preglow | it should be |
| 22:38:24 | preglow | and i remember reading it :P |
| 22:38:26 | thegeek | the wiki says to add the / of the build env path to PATH |
| 22:38:31 | jochen | i'm pretty sure it is |
| 22:38:34 | thegeek | hmm |
| 22:38:37 | thegeek | perhaps I'm blind |
| 22:38:50 | thegeek | oh |
| 22:38:55 | thegeek | indeed I am |
| 22:39:01 | jochen | well, you're doing quite well on irc, for a blind. *gg* |
| 22:39:02 | thegeek | I missed the ../bin.. |
| 22:39:13 | thegeek | perhaps I'm just impaired |
| 22:39:19 | thegeek | could very well be |
| 22:39:52 | jochen | if i knew that word, i would certainly agree. *lol* |
| 22:40:01 | ehntoo | or maybe he's got a very, very good screen reader |
| 22:40:06 | ehntoo | unfortunately, they don't exist |
| 22:40:07 | ehntoo | =P |
| 22:40:24 | thegeek | well |
| 22:40:25 | thegeek | actually |
| 22:40:30 | thegeek | I guess for irc |
| 22:40:36 | thegeek | a screen reader could work quite well |
| 22:40:57 | jochen | yeah, that's it. "could"... *gg* |
| 22:41:02 | thegeek | ;p |
| 22:41:02 | Bagder | they do |
| 22:41:10 | Bagder | we've had blind people in here before |
| 22:41:14 | jochen | really? |
| 22:41:20 | preglow | of course |
| 22:41:24 | Bagder | yeps |
| 22:41:29 | preglow | rockbox is the only dap os blind people can use |
| 22:41:33 | preglow | the only one i know of |
| 22:41:40 | t0mas | ah Bagder around :) |
| 22:41:46 | jochen | oh, sure, because of the voice functon. i forgot. |
| 22:41:47 | t0mas | saw my privmsg? |
| 22:41:50 | Bagder | yes |
| 22:41:56 | t0mas | any toughts on it? |
| 22:42:08 | Bagder | yes, if this doesn't work then something is really broken |
| 22:42:12 | Bagder | and my change didn't break it |
| 22:42:19 | preglow | does rockbox support ordinary fat fs? |
| 22:42:24 | preglow | 8.3, etc |
| 22:42:30 | jochen | but i find it hard to imagine a blind compiling m68k-elf and so on... *lol* |
| 22:42:34 | t0mas | Bagder: |
| 22:42:34 | t0mas | rb->lseek(fData, (off_t)readlong(&word.offset), SEEK_SET); |
| 22:42:34 | t0mas | debug = rb->lseek(fData, (off_t)0, SEEK_CUR); |
| 22:42:34 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK t0mas |
| 22:42:34 | t0mas | rb->fdprintf(fDebug, "Offset: %d\n", debug); |
| 22:42:39 | t0mas | there I get 0 |
| 22:42:43 | preglow | jochen: there are binary distros, heh |
| 22:43:01 | jochen | preglow, aah, boring. *gg* |
| 22:43:05 | t0mas | and readlong(&word.offset) != 0 |
| 22:43:19 | Bagder | t0mas: lseek() takes an off_t as second argument |
| 22:43:36 | Bagder | not a long |
| 22:43:36 | t0mas | yes... and what type is an off_t ? |
| 22:44:06 | t0mas | int4 ? or something? |
| 22:45:02 | thegeek | jochen : hehe, imagine a screen reader trying to cope with the output of a make ;) |
| 22:45:15 | thegeek | I'd feel sorry for the person on the receiving end |
| 22:45:21 | Bagder | t0mas: when is this a problem? sim on Linux? |
| 22:45:21 | thegeek | ;) |
| 22:45:42 | jochen | t0mas, signed long, i think |
| 22:45:43 | t0mas | Bagder: no, target |
| 22:46:05 | Bagder | then off_t should be a signed long |
| 22:46:15 | Bagder | firmware/include/sys/types.h |
| 22:46:26 | t0mas | ok, can you explain that 0 then? |
| 22:46:28 | jochen | thegeek, well, imagine the output of gcc. *lol* |
| 22:46:32 | Bagder | t0mas: no |
| 22:46:36 | t0mas | :( |
| 22:46:38 | t0mas | me neither |
| 22:46:46 | t0mas | I'll check the return value... |
| 22:46:51 | jochen | thegeek, and i don't mean the stderr output. *gg* |
| 22:46:58 | thegeek | hehe |
| 22:47:07 | thegeek | geek humor;) |
| 22:47:20 | jochen | quite. *gg* |
| 22:48:01 | thegeek | ;) |
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| 22:49:33 | * | jochen still wonders if rockbox will support ext2 one day |
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| 22:49:56 | t0mas | ot won't |
| 22:49:58 | t0mas | *it |
| 22:50:00 | bipak_ | :< |
| 22:50:01 | thegeek | would ext2 have any advantage over fat? |
| 22:50:13 | t0mas | no... it would only cost memory... |
| 22:50:19 | t0mas | no use for ext2 on a dap |
| 22:50:19 | thegeek | mhm |
| 22:50:25 | ehntoo | now, reiserfs would be nice. |
| 22:50:25 | bipak_ | and no windows machine would read it :< |
| 22:50:31 | thegeek | well |
| 22:50:35 | preglow | of course there's a use, you can boot linux from it ;) |
| 22:50:36 | thegeek | there are ext2 drivers for windows |
| 22:50:41 | jochen | bipak_, i don't care. *gg* |
| 22:50:44 | preglow | thegeek: none of them extremely good |
| 22:50:51 | thegeek | ;) |
| 22:51:16 | jochen | well, i just don't trust vfat very far. |
| 22:51:21 | bipak_ | jochen: i exchange files with friends... and most of them have win.. |
| 22:51:42 | thegeek | jochen : it's not like it's closed or anything |
| 22:51:56 | jochen | bipak_, well, another argument why thay shouldn't. *g* |
| 22:51:57 | amiconn | bipak_: Then use NTFS perhaps? ;-) |
| 22:52:05 | jochen | -a+e |
| 22:52:21 | bipak_ | why that? *confused* |
| 22:52:42 | ehntoo | I think you were supposed to take the smiley at the end as a hint of sarcasm |
| 22:52:53 | jochen | hehe |
| 22:53:09 | jochen | me? sarcastic? never. *lol* |
| 22:53:17 | bipak_ | :) |
| 22:53:35 | bipak_ | germans aren't sarcastic ;)) |
| 22:54:08 | amiconn | Bah! Wth does the iriver fw not stop at the end of a dir???? |
| 22:54:25 | jochen | eer... yes.. err... *g* bipak_ |
| 22:54:36 | Bagder | it certainly behaves in mysterious ways |
| 22:54:44 | ehntoo | amiconn: hence why I'm waiting for rockbox so anxiously |
| 22:55:34 | jochen | who doesn't? |
| 22:57:34 | * | jochen hugs everybody because he is so happy that sound starts working on iriver. |
| 22:58:10 | * | bipak_ pushes jochen away |
| 22:58:22 | jochen | narF *gg* |
| 22:58:24 | bipak_ | :> |
| 22:58:38 | HCl | lol. |
| 22:58:41 | * | preglow refuses to let jochen go |
| 22:58:53 | jochen | even more narF *loool* |
| 22:59:27 | ehntoo | whoa... when did sound start working? |
| 22:59:31 | ehntoo | I must've missed something major. |
| 22:59:36 | HCl | week ago or so |
| 22:59:47 | jochen | well, not officially. *gg* |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:20 | jochen | but there was a neat patch released today |
| 23:00:28 | t0mas | Bagder? |
| 23:00:36 | t0mas | #ifdef ROCKBOX_BIG_ENDIAN |
| 23:00:38 | t0mas | in a plugin... |
| 23:00:41 | t0mas | does that work? |
| 23:00:45 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:00:58 | Bagder | if it includes the proper include |
| 23:01:03 | Bagder | like config.h |
| 23:01:36 | t0mas | ok, so that's not included in plugin.h ? |
| 23:01:42 | amiconn | it should |
| 23:01:52 | Bagder | it is |
| 23:01:54 | Bagder | just checked |
| 23:02:55 | t0mas | o |
| 23:02:56 | t0mas | k |
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| 23:15:52 | thegeek | hmm |
| 23:16:08 | thegeek | I just compiled rockbox with the soundpatch |
| 23:16:26 | thegeek | do I just open the mp3 with "open with" and then mpa2wav? |
| 23:16:51 | jochen | no thegeek, just, open them. with -> |
| 23:17:11 | thegeek | when I do rockbox freezes |
| 23:17:42 | jochen | thegeek, what do you mean with "freezes"? |
| 23:17:49 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:18:08 | thegeek | I select an mp3 |
| 23:18:15 | thegeek | and just press the joystick |
| 23:18:17 | thegeek | it freezes |
| 23:18:36 | thegeek | or |
| 23:18:36 | thegeek | wait |
| 23:18:56 | jochen | and you have compiled it cleanly, make zip, extracted and so on thegeek? |
| 23:18:58 | t0mas | thegeek? have you installed the new bootloader? |
| 23:19:14 | jochen | well - more or less "cleanly"... |
| 23:19:20 | t0mas | as that fixes a memory problem... and that mem is needed by the mp3 code |
| 23:19:24 | thegeek | oh |
| 23:19:27 | thegeek | I have not |
| 23:19:28 | thegeek | ;) |
| 23:19:35 | t0mas | then that's the problem |
| 23:19:39 | thegeek | yeah |
| 23:20:03 | jochen | there you go ;-) |
| 23:22:33 | jochen | gtg sleeping now, gn8 and gl |
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| 23:23:50 | t0mas | amiconn: I think i have a bug... |
| 23:24:02 | t0mas | when I'm in a menu... and i pull out the usb plug |
| 23:24:11 | t0mas | then the rolo display comes up after I exit the menu |
| 23:24:14 | t0mas | and not before |
| 23:24:26 | t0mas | is that a feature? or by-design? or a bug? :) |
| 23:25:05 | thegeek | bah |
| 23:25:06 | amiconn | The check for bootfile change is part of the file browser |
| 23:25:12 | thegeek | I can't even extract the firmware |
| 23:25:18 | thegeek | One or more CON code pages invalid for given keyboard code |
| 23:25:18 | thegeek | Program too big to fit in memory |
| 23:25:24 | thegeek | annoying |
| 23:25:45 | thegeek | tried redownloading 2 different files(eu/us) |
| 23:26:30 | preglow | what, the h1x0 firmware? |
| 23:27:34 | thegeek | mhm |
| 23:27:47 | | Quit d2005 () |
| 23:27:52 | preglow | funny |
| 23:27:58 | thegeek | indeed |
| 23:27:59 | preglow | there are no funny characters in those files |
| 23:28:04 | preglow | try using winzip or something instead |
| 23:28:21 | thegeek | I already extracted it with winrar;) |
| 23:28:28 | thegeek | but still |
| 23:28:30 | thegeek | annoying |
| 23:29:59 | thegeek | btw |
| 23:30:06 | thegeek | tip for anyone with a scratched screen |
| 23:30:10 | thegeek | use toothpaste |
| 23:31:57 | ehntoo | toothpaste? |
| 23:32:05 | ehntoo | I've heard of using it on cds |
| 23:32:31 | thegeek | works on almost anything with small scratches |
| 23:32:31 | ehntoo | but on scratched screens? Do you mean lcd's or crt's? |
| 23:32:45 | thegeek | I used it on a magnifying glass (of glass) |
| 23:32:50 | thegeek | and on my axim x50v |
| 23:32:53 | thegeek | and on my iriver h120 |
| 23:33:09 | thegeek | removes small scratches |
| 23:33:24 | thegeek | just make sure whatever you use does not scratch |
| 23:33:30 | ehntoo | good idea... *writes note on hand to try it on his iriver* |
| 23:33:34 | ehntoo | it's rather a mess |
| 23:33:37 | thegeek | ;) |
| 23:33:41 | preglow | should be sure to use those damn whitening toothpastes, then |
| 23:33:43 | thegeek | people use it on ipods |
| 23:33:45 | preglow | probably contains sand |
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| 23:33:48 | thegeek | and claim it works very good |
| 23:33:55 | thegeek | worked good on my iriver |
| 23:33:56 | thegeek | ;) |
| 23:33:59 | thegeek | preglow |
| 23:34:00 | thegeek | it does |
| 23:34:07 | preglow | yeah, i've heard it myself |
| 23:34:14 | preglow | but i have no scratched on my h120 or my screen |
| 23:34:26 | thegeek | I only had a few |
| 23:34:29 | Tangleding | hi guys |
| 23:34:30 | Tangleding | :) |
| 23:34:34 | preglow | and the only stuff that's coming anywhere near my spanking new lcd screen is towels of the softest silk |
| 23:34:40 | thegeek | indeed |
| 23:34:46 | thegeek | I'm not even touching my 2005fpw;) |
| 23:34:50 | thegeek | it's supahsmooth |
| 23:34:55 | Tangleding | i've just bought a H140 on eBay |
| 23:34:56 | Tangleding | :) |
| 23:35:01 | Tangleding | 300€ |
| 23:35:03 | amiconn | snow.rock @11 MHz is really smooth ;) |
| 23:35:09 | thegeek | hehe |
| 23:35:13 | Tangleding | hi amiconn :) |
| 23:35:14 | preglow | Tangleding: what, i thought you had one alraedy |
| 23:35:20 | preglow | amiconn: how do you switch it to 11mhz?= |
| 23:35:24 | Tangleding | i own a H120 in fact |
| 23:35:29 | amiconn | preglow: debug menu |
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| 23:35:42 | preglow | oh, i can only switch it to 49mhz |
| 23:35:43 | Tangleding | i was interested by a H140 to upgrade my H120 |
| 23:35:46 | preglow | ahh |
| 23:35:55 | Tangleding | i will own one of the first |
| 23:35:57 | amiconn | preglow: Press select instead of moving up/down |
| 23:35:58 | preglow | amiconn: forget it |
| 23:36:02 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, found out |
| 23:36:04 | Tangleding | H140 champaign in the world |
| 23:36:06 | Tangleding | lol |
| 23:36:15 | Tangleding | (will be sweet) |
| 23:36:29 | Tangleding | with rockbox in ROM of course |
| 23:36:31 | Tangleding | :D |
| 23:36:39 | amiconn | Rockbox produces a bang when starting / shutting down :( |
| 23:36:59 | ehntoo | as do many audio devices |
| 23:37:06 | ehntoo | the default fw does too |
| 23:37:07 | thegeek | amiconn : confirmed |
| 23:37:08 | ehntoo | just not as loud |
| 23:37:12 | thegeek | mhm |
| 23:37:15 | preglow | amiconn: i think i heard the radio buzzing in once, actually |
| 23:37:45 | amiconn | ehntoo: It's significantly less with the original fw |
| 23:37:57 | thegeek | hmm |
| 23:38:19 | thegeek | when I try to play an mp3 (with the patch), I only see an icon blink in the upper right for a second, then nothing.. |
| 23:38:20 | ehntoo | amiconn, I'm guessing it's because of a different volume level on startup? |
| 23:38:20 | preglow | amiconn: did you catch the snow on the remote as well? :P |
| 23:38:29 | preglow | thegeek: press volume |
| 23:38:37 | preglow | thegeek: that is, up or down |
| 23:38:51 | thegeek | then I just go up or down |
| 23:38:54 | thegeek | as in |
| 23:38:56 | thegeek | selecting files |
| 23:39:12 | preglow | did you copy the codecs to /.rockbox/codecs? |
| 23:39:15 | preglow | no? then do so ;) |
| 23:39:17 | thegeek | hmm |
| 23:39:19 | thegeek | I did make zip |
| 23:39:23 | thegeek | I guess not;) |
| 23:39:23 | preglow | not enough |
| 23:39:26 | thegeek | mhm |
| 23:39:28 | preglow | manual copy |
| 23:39:36 | * | thegeek hides |
| 23:39:38 | thegeek | sorry;) |
| 23:39:38 | thegeek | hehe |
| 23:39:54 | preglow | yes, you better hide, count yourself lucky i don't kick your sorry ass out of here! |
| 23:39:59 | thegeek | humhum |
| 23:40:32 | preglow | then it should work |
| 23:42:45 | thegeek | hmm |
| 23:42:52 | thegeek | atleast I get hd access.. |
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| 23:43:11 | thegeek | not much sound though |
| 23:43:14 | thegeek | even with 100 volume |
| 23:43:15 | thegeek | barf |
| 23:43:19 | preglow | no |
| 23:43:20 | preglow | 85 is max |
| 23:43:34 | preglow | or perhaps he fixed that |
| 23:43:43 | thegeek | hehe |
| 23:44:00 | thegeek | *retries |
| 23:44:18 | thegeek | eureka |
| 23:44:19 | preglow | and keep in mind you need to restart |
| 23:44:24 | thegeek | 100 works |
| 23:44:26 | preglow | after each time you press stop |
| 23:44:27 | thegeek | had to restart.. |
| 23:44:28 | thegeek | ;) |
| 23:44:29 | thegeek | oh |
| 23:44:30 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK thegeek |
| 23:44:30 | thegeek | haha |
| 23:44:58 | thegeek | hehe |
| 23:44:58 | thegeek | nice |
| 23:45:00 | thegeek | even fades out |
| 23:47:11 | preglow | quite |
| 23:47:19 | preglow | it's leetness incarnate |
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| 23:50:50 | thegeek | ;) |
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| 23:55:44 | Tangleding | For the moment iRiver fw is still a litlle bit ergonomic to listen music |
| 23:55:46 | Tangleding | ;) |
| 23:56:20 | preglow | pft, now that i have tasted gapless, i will not go back |
| 23:56:29 | preglow | this i swear |
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| 23:56:48 | amiconn | preglow: 100% agreed. |
| 23:57:42 | amiconn | Gaps are really annoying |
| 23:57:46 | preglow | oh yes |
| 23:57:56 | preglow | especially the half-hour long gaps iriver operates with |
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