| 00:00:07 | MoosCamaro | congates for Slasheri and Linus for this ;) |
| 00:00:12 | elinenbe | HCl: congrat's on the database! |
| 00:00:14 | MoosCamaro | *congrates |
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| 00:03:50 | Plugh_ | just ran songdb.jar |
| 00:03:52 | Plugh_ | nice work |
| 00:04:33 | Plugh_ | although I don't like the idea of needing something installed on the host system to make it work (JRE) |
| 00:04:52 | [solid] | doesn't really work for me :( |
| 00:04:53 | Plugh_ | the perl.exe+dll in the drive was nice |
| 00:06:06 | [solid] | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: SongDB (Unsupported major.minor version 49.0) |
| 00:06:09 | [solid] | :/ |
| 00:06:16 | ashridah | it wouldn't be too hard to manage the same thing if gcj is available on cygwin i guess |
| 00:06:27 | ashridah | [solid]: rofl. are you using java 1.4? |
| 00:06:41 | [solid] | ashridah: i'm using blackdown... |
| 00:06:53 | Bagder | java hell (tm) :-) |
| 00:06:54 | [solid] | yeah, 1.4 |
| 00:07:03 | * | ashridah hits HCl |
| 00:07:37 | [solid] | Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build Blackdown-1.4.2-01) to be precise |
| 00:07:52 | ashridah | Bagder: it's got nothing to do with java hell, and lots to do with HCl using java 1.5 to compile it and not turning on a backward compatibility flag |
| 00:08:08 | [solid] | i might be running it wrong tho - is java -classpath SongDB.jar SongDB ok? |
| 00:08:29 | ashridah | [solid]: no, it's quite literally because HCl's compiled it with java 1.5 |
| 00:08:37 | [solid] | oh, ok :) |
| 00:09:10 | spiralout | where can i find the songdb.jar?? |
| 00:09:23 | ashridah | spiralout: it's on the wiki |
| 00:09:28 | ashridah | under 'tags database' |
| 00:09:34 | [solid] | i might give a shot a java 1.5 tho... azureus will be happier probably |
| 00:10:09 | [solid] | it just sucks that on gentoo it's hardmasked and you also need to download it by yourself |
| 00:10:17 | [solid] | :F |
| 00:10:47 | cYmen | azureus is d4 p41n anyway :) |
| 00:10:50 | * | ashridah shrugs |
| 00:12:04 | ashridah | [solid]: as long as HCl hasn't used java 1.5isms, he should just be able to recompile it with 1.4 |
| 00:12:14 | ashridah | (and if that's the case, we can probably create a .exe out of it anyway) |
| 00:12:42 | [solid] | i'd be pretty cool with doing that... where can i fetch the source? |
| 00:12:51 | ashridah | you can't. |
| 00:12:54 | [solid] | oh |
| 00:12:58 | ashridah | so far as i know, it didn't get released. |
| 00:13:22 | [solid] | slightly-less-open source, eh?:) |
| 00:13:54 | [solid] | i'll just sit back and wait, no rush after all ^^ |
| 00:14:47 | ashridah | but yeah, hit HCl when he wakes up and tell him to use javac -source 1.4 -target 1.4 when compiling :) |
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| 00:22:06 | preglow | pleait should be rewritten in a decent language :P |
| 00:22:15 | preglow | -plea |
| 00:22:23 | crwl | like python :P |
| 00:23:10 | preglow | nah, we wouldnt want to bore the programmer to death |
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| 00:23:49 | preglow | saw pedro's post on the mailing list, and i can't say i hear any difference myself |
| 00:28:18 | [solid] | that could be verified easily once the optical output is working |
| 00:30:00 | [solid] | iriver might have used that low accuracy thingy, like rockbox did before vorbis decoding got optimised, no? |
| 00:31:38 | preglow | well |
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| 00:31:47 | preglow | they might |
| 00:31:51 | preglow | but then they'd have to be really stupid |
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| 00:32:24 | preglow | well, it's really easy to test |
| 00:32:34 | preglow | just dump an ogg to wav with vorbis2wav |
| 00:32:46 | preglow | then do fast switched between that and the ogg in the iriver fw |
| 00:32:57 | preglow | you should be able to hear a difference then, but i can't |
| 00:33:23 | [solid] | tbh i have experienced some flaws with the original firmware - but it never happened with my own encoded files, there was this kind of hiss going on |
| 00:33:33 | t0mas | hm... maybe find somebody with really good recording equipment? |
| 00:33:42 | t0mas | and record both... then analize on a pc... |
| 00:33:52 | crwl | just record the iriver fw version with an optical in |
| 00:34:06 | [solid] | i always suspected it was older oggenc versions... actually i think i'll test some now |
| 00:34:08 | preglow | ahaha, i have never _analized_ audio before |
| 00:34:11 | [solid] | intriguing that is:) |
| 00:34:18 | t0mas | crwl: bad idea... |
| 00:34:36 | crwl | t0mas, why? |
| 00:34:38 | t0mas | you have to record both with a line in, or both optical.. |
| 00:34:44 | t0mas | not one optical and one line in |
| 00:34:52 | t0mas | as that's a quality difference too... |
| 00:34:58 | crwl | well you can make rockbox dump to wav |
| 00:34:58 | t0mas | oh wait... |
| 00:35:00 | t0mas | sorry |
| 00:35:07 | t0mas | yes, realised that a few seconds later ;) |
| 00:35:18 | crwl | :) |
| 00:35:26 | preglow | t0mas: you can really just record with line out |
| 00:35:39 | preglow | t0mas: the audio chip is the same for both rockbox and iriver fw |
| 00:36:08 | preglow | so shouldn't matter too much |
| 00:36:16 | t0mas | preglow: yes, but then record both with line out... not one with optical and one with line out |
| 00:36:22 | t0mas | that was my point... |
| 00:36:24 | preglow | t0mas: of course |
| 00:36:40 | t0mas | but the optical out for iriver and wav for rockbox seems ok to me too... |
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| 00:40:48 | [solid] | rockbox spoiled me... the boot time is so short in comparison that i nowadays think it takes ages for the original fw to boot |
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| 00:41:06 | t0mas | yes... |
| 00:41:13 | t0mas | but I like the bootload usb mode |
| 00:41:20 | t0mas | because that saves me a lot of waiting :) |
| 00:41:39 | [solid] | it simply ownz |
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| 00:42:53 | Stryke` | bootload mode is ridiculously fast, i doubt it everytime |
| 00:44:40 | [solid] | :) |
| 00:47:06 | [solid] | hm.. i don't hear no difference either |
| 00:48:34 | [solid] | and that's a nice piano part with vocals (and some distorted guitar later on) |
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| 00:52:10 | iRiverowner | Hi |
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| 00:53:07 | iRiverowner | at last there is sound for iriverbox! |
| 00:53:22 | t0mas | jup |
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| 00:53:22 | t0mas | rockbox ;) |
| 00:53:45 | iRiverowner | Its good but the machine hangs during playback, I can deduce more work is needed |
| 00:54:26 | t0mas | yes, it would be usefull to know when it hangs... |
| 00:54:29 | preglow | for what files? |
| 00:54:31 | t0mas | and with what version.. |
| 00:54:33 | t0mas | and what file... |
| 00:54:39 | iRiverowner | Since the iriver is software driven, im just wondering what codec is used for MP3 playback |
| 00:54:41 | t0mas | *wich |
| 00:54:42 | iRiverowner | hanging is random |
| 00:54:58 | t0mas | iRiverowner: no it's not... it's not designed by Microsoft... |
| 00:55:23 | iRiverowner | i didn't say anything was designed by Microsoft |
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| 00:55:52 | iRiverowner | i was asking about the codec used for MP3 playback on the iriver in Rockbox |
| 00:56:14 | t0mas | libMAD |
| 00:56:18 | t0mas | so the MAD codec? |
| 00:56:21 | iRiverowner | okay cool |
| 00:56:38 | crwl | but where's the coder part in MAD? |
| 00:56:39 | iRiverowner | Im wondering if AAC, WMA, MP3Pro will be supported as well |
| 00:56:49 | t0mas | if someone writes a codec... they will |
| 00:57:00 | t0mas | but WMA isn't open... so don't hold your breath |
| 00:57:05 | iRiverowner | MP3Pro would be useful |
| 00:57:12 | [solid] | it isn't open either |
| 00:57:19 | crwl | i don't really like the way decoders are called codecs |
| 00:57:38 | | Part MoosCamaro |
| 00:57:47 | iRiverowner | easy reference i suppose |
| 00:57:51 | iRiverowner | i have an H120 by the way |
| 00:58:26 | HCl | hi |
| 00:58:33 | iRiverowner | hi HCI |
| 00:58:58 | [solid] | HCl: i was supposed to tell you to compile songdb with -source 1.4 -target 1.4 :) |
| 00:58:58 | preglow | crwl: they might very well end up as proper codecs |
| 00:59:03 | HCl | ashridah: no, the source is included in the .jar :) |
| 00:59:07 | HCl | [solid]: i saw :p |
| 00:59:08 | preglow | crwl: a lot of the libs we use have both decoders and encoders |
| 00:59:13 | preglow | crwl: well, some, at least |
| 00:59:24 | HCl | [solid]: and i will, but after i get java on my linux machine, windows makes a horrible dev environment |
| 00:59:25 | ashridah | HCl: ah, that explains the jump in size then |
| 00:59:27 | ashridah | i didn't think to look, tbh :) |
| 00:59:29 | [solid] | okay, /me goes to figure out how to compile it then |
| 00:59:32 | HCl | ashridah: ;x no, not entirely |
| 00:59:37 | iRiverowner | Is there a codec required for recording since the archos is hardware done and the iriver is software done as we know? |
| 00:59:45 | HCl | ashridah: second backend for tagreading :/ :/ ugly solution, but it'll do for now. |
| 00:59:46 | ashridah | HCl: if it's in there, i can do it instead. |
| 00:59:52 | HCl | please |
| 01:00 |
| 01:00:05 | HCl | its mostly that you need to do javac `find -name '*.java'` |
| 01:00:09 | HCl | and i can't do that on windows |
| 01:00:12 | t0mas | iRiverowner: yes recording on iriver is software too |
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| 01:00:13 | HCl | and i hate having to do every dir manually |
| 01:00:17 | t0mas | :) |
| 01:00:18 | HCl | also. |
| 01:00:24 | HCl | you'll bump into some "assert" stuff |
| 01:00:26 | ashridah | HCl: good god man, why aren't you using ant?! |
| 01:00:28 | HCl | that won't compile for 1.4 |
| 01:00:39 | HCl | you can just get them out, it should still work. |
| 01:00:58 | HCl | whats ant? |
| 01:01:02 | * | [solid] tries |
| 01:01:22 | [solid] | and god bless bootloader usb mode one more time xD |
| 01:01:31 | HCl | yea. |
| 01:01:38 | HCl | it will save your ass if you bricked your player |
| 01:02:11 | HCl | fortunately, our brick count is still 0 :) |
| 01:02:23 | ashridah | HCl: actually, no you don't run into assert stuff |
| 01:02:31 | HCl | odd |
| 01:02:32 | HCl | it did here |
| 01:02:37 | elinenbe | quick question... how do you boot directly into the iriver firmware? |
| 01:02:41 | ashridah | not if you compile it with 1.5 using the -target/-source flags, it seems |
| 01:02:41 | HCl | for the .de something stuff |
| 01:02:47 | HCl | ah.. maybe.. |
| 01:02:47 | ashridah | elinenbe: hold record |
| 01:02:53 | elinenbe | thanks. |
| 01:02:53 | HCl | i haven't tried that |
| 01:03:00 | ashridah | HCl: how do you rebuild the .jar? |
| 01:03:01 | HCl | i compiled with actual 1.4, not knowing those options existed |
| 01:03:05 | ashridah | i tried, but it bitched about the manifest |
| 01:03:12 | [solid] | i did run into them |
| 01:03:16 | [solid] | but only two |
| 01:03:27 | [solid] | both in entagged/audioformats/asf/data/ExtendedContentDescription.java |
| 01:03:31 | [solid] | lines 86 and 101 |
| 01:03:32 | HCl | mmm |
| 01:03:33 | HCl | type jar |
| 01:03:37 | HCl | then use the bottom example |
| 01:03:41 | HCl | its exactly what i use |
| 01:03:44 | ashridah | [solid]: you're using a 1.4 jdk |
| 01:04:12 | [solid] | yeah |
| 01:04:20 | [solid] | woo it looks like it's workin' ^^ |
| 01:04:24 | HCl | :) |
| 01:04:35 | t0mas | good night :) |
| 01:04:38 | ashridah | HCl: but there's no manifest in it... |
| 01:04:43 | t0mas | I'm off to sleep :) |
| 01:04:47 | HCl | ashridah: there is, in the META-INFO dir or so |
| 01:04:51 | HCl | its called MANIFEST.MF |
| 01:04:52 | HCl | i think |
| 01:04:54 | ashridah | aah |
| 01:05:33 | ashridah | yeah. HCl well, it works with 1.4 now |
| 01:05:40 | ashridah | want me to upload it as a replacement SongDB.jar? |
| 01:05:48 | HCl | yes, please :) |
| 01:05:54 | [solid] | and so it built a database! |
| 01:05:58 | HCl | :) |
| 01:06:03 | HCl | try the latest cvs with it please |
| 01:06:09 | HCl | i added v3 support to the searchengine and databox |
| 01:06:24 | HCl | i still have to implement some planned features.. |
| 01:06:32 | ashridah | i think i've already been using it |
| 01:06:40 | HCl | i committed it earlier tonight |
| 01:07:08 | [solid] | workin :D |
| 01:07:10 | [solid] | so cool |
| 01:07:16 | HCl | :) |
| 01:08:48 | ashridah | how do you remove an attachment in the wiki? |
| 01:09:02 | preglow | new tremor commit! |
| 01:09:05 | HCl | click attachment |
| 01:09:13 | HCl | then click the "action" next to the songdb.pl |
| 01:09:15 | HCl | jar* |
| 01:09:24 | HCl | to update it |
| 01:09:29 | ashridah | aah. |
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| 01:10:56 | ashridah | well, it's on its way. doesn't help that i'm on dialup |
| 01:10:59 | HCl | :) |
| 01:11:09 | HCl | i'm glad at least some people are able to use it |
| 01:11:16 | HCl | its loads and loads better than the perl variant |
| 01:11:24 | ashridah | hrm. i think i've noticed Slasheri's oddity with vorbis as well |
| 01:11:58 | ashridah | a couple of files that had warbling artifacts in them on iriver (that i assumed was a crap encoding job by me) don't seem to have them in rockbox. |
| 01:12:31 | preglow | i also i've left a bug in libmad, btw |
| 01:12:39 | preglow | so don't be surprised if some clear sounding mp3 has artifacts |
| 01:12:40 | ashridah | HCl: i'll look into it tomorrow, but we may also be able to create one with gcj on windows/cygwin too. just not sure if it will require a giant libgcj to go with it |
| 01:13:12 | HCl | i tried gcj |
| 01:13:17 | ashridah | HCl: if i can work out how to make a restricted libgcj, we can probably get it down to a small standalone util |
| 01:13:20 | HCl | it fails on stringbuilder |
| 01:13:26 | HCl | gcj doesn't have that class included yet.. |
| 01:13:27 | ashridah | ah, hrm. |
| 01:13:42 | HCl | we'd have to rewrite the code to not use it |
| 01:13:45 | HCl | or implement our own. |
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| 01:14:19 | ashridah | HCl: which part of the code uses stringbuilder? |
| 01:14:33 | HCl | not sure :/ |
| 01:14:46 | HCl | part of the ogg decoder, i think... |
| 01:14:50 | HCl | ogg tag decoder, tha tis. |
| 01:14:51 | HCl | that is* |
| 01:15:35 | ashridah | do you possibly mean StringBuffer? |
| 01:15:52 | HCl | eh, i don't think so, but i'm not 100% sure |
| 01:16:10 | ashridah | because there's definently no reference to StringBuilder :) |
| 01:16:19 | HCl | its an internal thing, i think. |
| 01:16:21 | HCl | i can try again |
| 01:16:24 | HCl | hold on |
| 01:16:32 | ashridah | i'll look at it tomorrow. i've got an exam to deal with today |
| 01:17:32 | ashridah | HCl: SongDB.jar updated in wiki now |
| 01:17:37 | HCl | de/jarnbjo/ogg/OggPage.java:233: error: class 'java.lang.StringBuilder' has no method named 'append' matching signature '(Ljava/lang/String;)Ljava/lang/StringBuilder;' |
| 01:17:51 | HCl | kay |
| 01:17:53 | HCl | :) |
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| 01:25:57 | ashridah | i assume you're working on a different version? |
| 01:26:03 | HCl | hm? |
| 01:26:10 | ashridah | of OggPage.java |
| 01:26:13 | HCl | i used the one of the wiki |
| 01:26:20 | HCl | just gcj SongDB.jar |
| 01:26:23 | ashridah | because line 233 is just a simple System.out.println |
| 01:26:32 | HCl | stringbuilder is an internal class |
| 01:26:34 | HCl | that java uses |
| 01:27:00 | ashridah | ah, okay. i'll have to poke at it more later. also need to kick your project a bit until it compiles nicely in eclipse :) |
| 01:27:09 | HCl | ;p |
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| 01:27:42 | ashridah | nevetheless, there's a working SongDB up for 1.4 and above atm |
| 01:27:54 | [solid] | \o/ |
| 01:27:55 | HCl | :) |
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| 01:29:04 | preglow | what the hell |
| 01:29:07 | HCl | m? |
| 01:29:14 | preglow | suddenly vorbis2wav says 'file too large' for every file i try |
| 01:29:20 | HCl | :X |
| 01:29:22 | HCl | nice optimizations :X |
| 01:29:41 | HCl | i hope you didn't commit it yet o-o |
| 01:29:50 | preglow | ehh? |
| 01:29:58 | preglow | i'm not doing anything |
| 01:30:00 | HCl | oh |
| 01:30:01 | HCl | okay |
| 01:30:08 | [solid] | xD |
| 01:30:17 | preglow | just testing a couple of ideas for pedro's last commit |
| 01:30:21 | preglow | playback works fine |
| 01:30:24 | preglow | but not vorbis2wav |
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| 01:32:49 | ashridah | preglow: current CVS works fine on my oggs |
| 01:33:04 | ashridah | and at 150% like he said |
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| 01:35:43 | preglow | wow |
| 01:35:46 | preglow | tremor really got faster |
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| 01:37:09 | thegeek | ooh |
| 01:37:18 | thegeek | newest jamiroquai album rocks |
| 01:37:40 | preglow | 'round 185% realtime here now, with no disk write, and 160kbps vbr |
| 01:38:37 | thegeek | nice:) |
| 01:39:23 | Stryke` | -q5 ? |
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| 01:45:08 | preglow | -q6, isn't it? |
| 01:45:09 | preglow | i don't remember |
| 01:45:10 | elinenbe | preglow: what speed is the CPU at when it is running those oggs? |
| 01:45:19 | preglow | 119 |
| 01:45:35 | preglow | we'll never see 180% realtime at 49mhz, heh |
| 01:45:36 | thegeek | K:\>java SongDB.jar |
| 01:45:36 | thegeek | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: SongDB/jar |
| 01:45:40 | thegeek | hmm |
| 01:45:44 | thegeek | anyone got a tip? |
| 01:45:55 | elinenbe | what is the max speed the CPU safely runs, and the max speed period? |
| 01:46:00 | Stryke` | are there any benchmarks of libmusepack yet? |
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| 01:46:33 | [solid] | thegeek: java -classpath SongDB.jar SongDB |
| 01:47:05 | thegeek | :) |
| 01:47:13 | thegeek | why is that needed? |
| 01:47:20 | ashridah | [solid]: the last bit should be unnecessary |
| 01:47:26 | ashridah | java -jar SongDB.jar |
| 01:47:28 | ashridah | should just work |
| 01:47:40 | thegeek | it does |
| 01:47:41 | thegeek | ;) |
| 01:47:42 | thegeek | hehe |
| 01:47:47 | thegeek | I'm a java noob |
| 01:47:57 | [solid] | oh... /me too |
| 01:48:07 | [solid] | didn't know bout the -jar option d'oh |
| 01:49:18 | HCl | elinenbe: 120mhz, 140mhz |
| 01:49:44 | * | HCl goes to sleep |
| 01:49:45 | HCl | night |
| 01:49:49 | [solid] | night |
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| 02:09:51 | thegeek | why do I get unsupported database v2 |
| 02:09:54 | bg_ | I'm having some issues getting rockbox to boot on my 140, wondering if anyone could help me |
| 02:09:54 | thegeek | using the latest cvs |
| 02:10:01 | thegeek | and songdb.jar |
| 02:10:04 | HCl | cause the database format has been upgraded. |
| 02:10:10 | thegeek | yeah I got that;) |
| 02:10:10 | HCl | huh o.o. |
| 02:10:18 | thegeek | exactly |
| 02:10:20 | HCl | songdb.jar should *not* generate a v2 database. |
| 02:10:31 | thegeek | perhaps I have to delete the old db first |
| 02:10:38 | thegeek | I did run songdb in the root |
| 02:10:42 | HCl | ah. |
| 02:10:42 | thegeek | but perhaps it did not overwrite |
| 02:10:44 | HCl | you need to move the file |
| 02:10:47 | HCl | from the root to .rockbox |
| 02:10:49 | ashridah | rockbox.id3db needs to be in .rockbox |
| 02:10:51 | thegeek | oh |
| 02:10:53 | thegeek | ;) |
| 02:10:55 | thegeek | ok |
| 02:11:01 | thegeek | (feels noobish YET again) |
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| 02:11:50 | thegeek | yep:) |
| 02:11:52 | HCl | but. i'm asleep. |
| 02:11:52 | * | HCl resumes sleeping. |
| 02:11:54 | thegeek | looks very nice:) |
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| 03:59:42 | * | ehntoo just downloaded the bleeding edge rockbox build |
| 03:59:44 | ehntoo | sweet. |
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| 04:00:03 | ehntoo | with wps this time, even. |
| 04:01:06 | ehntoo | maybe it's just me... but I think this sounds even better than the default fw... |
| 04:01:19 | ehntoo | the eq is better without all those sound filters |
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| 07:53:25 | Bager | morning, guys |
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| 08:08:31 | tvelocity | morning |
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| 08:12:55 | matsl | morning |
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| 08:13:58 | matsl | time for work, cu l8r |
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| 08:24:15 | Slasheri | morning :) |
| 08:24:29 | Slasheri | finally i fixed the ogg problem, committing now.. |
| 08:26:06 | LinusN | nice, what was it? |
| 08:26:08 | amiconn | morning |
| 08:26:21 | LinusN | morning amiconn |
| 08:26:33 | LinusN | interesting discussion in the ml |
| 08:26:45 | Slasheri | vorbis codec was not freeing dynamically allocated memory and it was overflowing to file buffer. Now calling codec_init on every new track |
| 08:27:13 | LinusN | ogg is so lame when it comes to memory handling |
| 08:27:26 | Slasheri | :) |
| 08:27:33 | LinusN | dynamic memory is the devils tool |
| 08:27:57 | LinusN | that's why we don't have dynamic memory in rockbox |
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| 08:28:24 | luminerd | Hey, what's rockbox? |
| 08:28:30 | LinusN | luminerd: lol |
| 08:28:48 | LinusN | luminerd: how did you find this channel? |
| 08:28:56 | luminerd | LinusN, was bored and did a /list |
| 08:28:56 | Slasheri | yep, that is very sensible because cpu has no mmu or virtual memory |
| 08:28:56 | luminerd | lol |
| 08:29:15 | LinusN | Slasheri: exactly |
| 08:29:27 | LinusN | luminerd: http://www.rockbox.org |
| 08:29:42 | * | luminerd checks it out |
| 08:29:51 | * | LinusN gets some coffee |
| 08:30:11 | oxman | where i can see the change log of the h120 firmware ? |
| 08:30:16 | oxman | i see a new version 0607 of the firmware |
| 08:30:23 | oxman | but i dunno the changement |
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| 08:31:41 | luminerd | ah, stuff for windows hm? |
| 08:31:42 | Slasheri | oh no, cvs commit opened vi editor.. can i quit that without committing? |
| 08:31:56 | luminerd | So bassically a replacement to WinMediaPlayer? |
| 08:32:42 | tvelocity | omfg... |
| 08:32:44 | Slasheri | huh, it worked :D |
| 08:33:07 | luminerd | oh, no...avail. for linux too I see |
| 08:33:24 | luminerd | sorry, first thing I saw was .zips and .exes, figured windows software haha |
| 08:33:35 | LinusN | luminerd: not linux either |
| 08:33:50 | LinusN | for portable mp3 players |
| 08:33:56 | luminerd | LinusN, no? |
| 08:34:07 | luminerd | Ahhh! No wonder I'm so confused, never messed with one of those |
| 08:34:07 | luminerd | heh |
| 08:34:09 | luminerd | cool |
| 08:35:17 | LinusN | oxman: there is a cvs change log on the daily build download page |
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| 08:35:38 | oxman | ok thanks |
| 08:36:12 | LinusN | this luminerd guy probably has no life whatsoever |
| 08:36:16 | Slasheri | fixes are now committed :) |
| 08:36:21 | oxman | where the page ? |
| 08:36:24 | LinusN | Slasheri: goodie |
| 08:37:00 | LinusN | oxman: you can't find the daily build page? |
| 08:37:16 | oxman | no :( |
| 08:37:29 | oxman | i try |
| 08:37:32 | oxman | but i don't see it |
| 08:37:36 | LinusN | on the rockbox home page, there is a menu on the left side |
| 08:37:46 | oxman | oh sorry |
| 08:37:51 | LinusN | one link is called "daily builds" |
| 08:37:52 | oxman | i find in wiki :D |
| 08:38:04 | oxman | thanks |
| 08:39:49 | LinusN | Slasheri: interesting yielding strategy |
| 08:40:18 | Slasheri | LinusN :) yep, it gives a little better read performance without affecting codec performance too much |
| 08:40:19 | LinusN | how often do the codecs yield to the gui? |
| 08:40:52 | Slasheri | at least once after every buffer request / new loop |
| 08:40:55 | amiconn | Is it just me or is the iriver line out really much quieter than the archos player line out, or archos recorder set to line level? |
| 08:41:04 | LinusN | Slasheri: and how often is that? |
| 08:41:16 | LinusN | amiconn: haven't thought about it |
| 08:41:17 | Slasheri | it's quite often.. hard to say |
| 08:41:37 | LinusN | it's important to keep the gui fast |
| 08:42:16 | Slasheri | at least vorbis uses quite small buffer sizes (normally below 1 kB) so it will yield always when that much of data are decoded |
| 08:46:23 | LinusN | i guess it's time to separate the codecs from the plugins |
| 08:47:10 | Slasheri | good idea :) |
| 08:47:57 | Slasheri | would you like to some codec loader stuff should i do something? |
| 08:48:04 | Slasheri | +or |
| 08:48:12 | LinusN | hmmm |
| 08:48:33 | LinusN | i guess i can begin hacking on it |
| 08:48:42 | Slasheri | i think it should not be very hard to do because we already have the plugin loader |
| 08:48:46 | Slasheri | ok :) |
| 08:57:10 | amiconn | Hmm. Does rockbox detect end-of charging on the iriver yet? I know charging is handled in hardware, and I guess the green led is also hardware controlled |
| 08:57:28 | LinusN | amiconn: no it doesn't |
| 08:57:49 | amiconn | ...but when charging is complete, the charging animation should stop. |
| 08:58:00 | amiconn | Is there a way to detect this? |
| 08:58:09 | LinusN | the same way as the fm/v2 |
| 08:58:13 | LinusN | almost |
| 08:58:15 | amiconn | A pin? |
| 08:58:36 | LinusN | fm/v2 measures the charging current |
| 08:58:45 | LinusN | iriver has to check the battery voltage |
| 08:59:24 | amiconn | Hmm, that won't work too well |
| 08:59:55 | amiconn | Charging is constant-voltage at the end with Li* batteries |
| 09:00 |
| 09:00:38 | LinusN | i know, do you have a better idea? |
| 09:01:20 | LinusN | i haven't found any other way of doing it |
| 09:01:35 | LinusN | of course, i haven't measured the entire pcb yet |
| 09:03:11 | amiconn | Are all so-far-unknown port pins set to input, and are there more than the 3 adc channels currently shown in the debug menu? |
| 09:04:07 | amiconn | One method to find out could be adding all adc channels, set all unknown port pins to input (if that does crash we know we missed something ;-) ), and then charge and look at the debug menu |
| 09:04:26 | LinusN | yes |
| 09:04:51 | amiconn | Btw, to add a point for a 2.5 release: There are some important Ondio fixes as well |
| 09:05:27 | amiconn | Multivolume + hotswap, also working on 0308, support for blocksizes != 512 bytes (>1 GB cards) |
| 09:06:00 | amiconn | And for fmr / (old) ondiofm: Avoid radio interference from the mas |
| 09:06:14 | LinusN | there are loads of fixes to be released |
| 09:06:41 | LinusN | i don't think we would have a problem releasing 2.5 |
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| 09:08:20 | amiconn | Hmm, iriver q: Did you actually try to enable page mode? If I read the datasheet correctly, this doesn't disable burst mode |
| 09:13:14 | LinusN | maybe i interpreted the data sheet in a too pessimistic way |
| 09:13:20 | LinusN | let's try it |
| 09:15:53 | amiconn | I mean http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/MCF5249UM.pdf , page 100 |
| 09:16:31 | amiconn | ...the PM flag: 0 = page mode on bursts _only_, 1 = continuous page mode |
| 09:17:41 | LinusN | that's what i mean too |
| 09:18:50 | Zoom2 | what if you just estimated a time |
| 09:18:52 | Zoom2 | and set a timer |
| 09:18:54 | Zoom2 | ? |
| 09:19:08 | Rick | that's lame |
| 09:19:14 | Zoom2 | true |
| 09:19:23 | Zoom2 | but an option |
| 09:20:01 | * | LinusN detects a discussion popping up from nowhere |
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| 09:23:43 | * | Rick pops up in front of LinusN and screams bloody murder |
| 09:24:08 | Zoom2 | lol you guys are nuts |
| 09:24:32 | * | Rick falls out of the tree onto Zoom2's head. |
| 09:25:39 | Zoom2 | lol |
| 09:26:32 | Zoom2 | So question, I take it the iRiver charging is not good yet? |
| 09:27:00 | LinusN | it works perfectly |
| 09:27:13 | Zoom2 | oh |
| 09:27:17 | LinusN | in fact, we can't do anything to make it not work perfectly |
| 09:27:33 | Bager | Zoom2 the detection is problem .. |
| 09:27:40 | Bager | not charging |
| 09:27:44 | Zoom2 | what are the next big challanges that the rockbox project faces? |
| 09:27:48 | Zoom2 | ahhh |
| 09:28:33 | Bager | Zoom2 the charging is done in hardware, so rockbox can't do anything to charge battery in bad way or something similar |
| 09:29:14 | Zoom2 | ok that makes sense |
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| 09:30:09 | Zoom2 | just in general terms though, I know the codecs was a big issue for the rockbox project and that seems to be cracked, what are the other big challanges that may be there in the near future? |
| 09:31:38 | Bager | recording in format other than .wav ... |
| 09:35:26 | Zoom2 | that the only big concern out there? |
| 09:36:05 | * | Bager doesn't see any other |
| 09:36:12 | Zoom2 | thats good news |
| 09:36:36 | Bager | in fact, i don't think we can expect recording in really good quality (such that of lame) in any loseless format |
| 09:37:03 | Bager | the CPU just doesn't have enough power |
| 09:37:17 | Zoom2 | what is the orginal firmware record in? |
| 09:37:24 | Bager | i mean lossy |
| 09:37:28 | Bager | not loseless |
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| 09:37:42 | bobTHC | mornin' all ! |
| 09:38:05 | Zoom2 | morning. |
| 09:38:40 | t0mas | morning :) |
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| 09:41:25 | Bager | Zoom2 the original (as you probably know) records in WAV (loseless) and in mp3 (lossy) format |
| 09:43:20 | Zoom2 | so basically the rockbox firmware wouldnt beable to improve on current recordings? |
| 09:43:35 | Zoom2 | That doesnt seem too bad for all the new features we would be gaining |
| 09:47:43 | LinusN | the problem with mp3 recording is that there are no (good) free mp3 real-time encoders out there |
| 09:48:51 | Zoom2 | I was aware of this, but is the mp3 codec patented or copywritten? IF it is pattented doesnt it expire in a few years or something? |
| 09:50:53 | Bager | Zoom2 the problem is something else |
| 09:51:15 | Zoom2 | oh |
| 09:51:46 | Bager | someone must write opensource GPL compatible good real-time mp3 encoder .... |
| 09:51:52 | cheriff | is it possible to jump to the encoder in the original fw, assuming one is running rockbox off the hdd? |
| 09:52:19 | Bager | this is Really Dirty (tm) hack ... |
| 09:52:47 | Bager | cheriff the encoder in the original fw is not so good btw ... |
| 09:52:57 | Bager | but it's better than nothing |
| 09:54:03 | LinusN | that would be very close to a copyright violation |
| 09:54:05 | Bager | on the other side, if we can record in some loseless format (such as WAV (uncompressed), FLAC, etc), you can always reencode the record on the PC with your favourite encoder |
| 09:54:14 | Bager | LinusN i'm not so sure ... |
| 09:54:26 | LinusN | that's why i said "very close" :-) |
| 09:54:46 | Bager | in fact, everyone who has bought iriver has paid for all the software inside ... |
| 09:54:50 | LinusN | still, if a user wants real-time mp3 encoding so bad, let him boot the iriver firmware |
| 09:55:17 | LinusN | just restart and hold Rec |
| 09:55:40 | Bager | LinusN the built in encoder in the iriver fw is definitely worse than lame as quality |
| 09:55:46 | Zoom2 | and what "GOOD" software that was.... |
| 09:55:50 | LinusN | of course it is worse |
| 09:56:15 | cheriff | how much slower than realtime does lame (or similar) actually run? |
| 09:56:19 | Rick | I don't think they intended people to be recording live concerts or whatever |
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| 09:56:40 | Bager | cheriff forget about lame on the iriver itself... |
| 09:56:42 | Rick | and I use it for recording class lectures.. and you don't need extreme quality for that :P |
| 09:56:54 | cheriff | that bad eh? |
| 09:57:04 | LinusN | cheriff: yes |
| 09:57:25 | Bager | Rick in fact many people are using their irivers for such purpose .... :) |
| 09:57:33 | LinusN | lame isn't designed for real-time operation, and not for embedded systems either |
| 09:58:02 | cheriff | can't wait till i get some free time.. finaly can start playing with some of this stuff... |
| 09:58:11 | LinusN | there is a free mp3 encoder, Shine, but it is very basic and need a lot of work |
| 09:58:25 | Bager | cheriff lame with very hight quality parameters (-q 0) doesn't run realtime even on Athlon 1.5GHz ... |
| 09:58:27 | Rick | Bagder: yeah! it's really good |
| 09:58:37 | LinusN | someone with a clue and a lot of time could start working on it |
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| 10:00:37 | Zoom2 | does realtime recording work well for classes? how close do you have to be to get a good recording? |
| 10:01:09 | Bger | Zoom2 you must be above realtime in order to get *anything* usable |
| 10:01:52 | Zoom2 | *scratches head* - I am extremly unsavvy in this as you can tell - thanks for being so patient |
| 10:02:49 | Bger | or your recording will be something such as <1 sec of recording><seconds silence><1 sec of recording (but not the part immediately after the first chunk of recording)> |
| 10:02:53 | Bger | ... etc |
| 10:03:34 | Zoom2 | ahh |
| 10:03:48 | Bger | Zoom2 don't worry ... |
| 10:04:04 | Bger | rockbox for sure will record in .wav format well above realtime ;) |
| 10:04:53 | Zoom2 | I am just so excited in general somone is picking up our firmware and forgetting all about us |
| 10:04:56 | Bger | maybe in FLAC also (preglow, do you have anything to way about this one;)) |
| 10:05:10 | Zoom2 | and not* |
| 10:06:54 | LinusN | wavpack should work too |
| 10:07:33 | bobTHC | for simple voice recording speex is a good choice imho |
| 10:07:41 | * | Bger looks at MCF5249UM.pdf and after that looks with veneration at Linus for reading all this ... |
| 10:08:02 | LinusN | Bger: yeah, it is good bedtime reading :-) |
| 10:08:07 | Bger | :)))) |
| 10:08:25 | LinusN | well, it is a great 1hr commute reading |
| 10:08:45 | bobTHC | a little bit hard to stomach |
| 10:09:04 | LinusN | you only read the specific sections you need |
| 10:09:30 | LinusN | but yes, it takes some experience to be able to digest it |
| 10:09:36 | Bger | yeah, but you must have idea what's it about .... |
| 10:11:15 | Bger | i don't think that i can read only chapter 7 for example and after that i'll understand everything about the DRAM controller in coldfire... |
| 10:14:13 | HCl | mrf |
| 10:15:06 | LinusN | Bger: me neither :-) |
| 10:16:01 | Bger | LinusN you got the idea i had... |
| 10:16:31 | Bger | HCl offt, but what "mrf" does mean ? ;) |
| 10:17:46 | HCl | sleepy. |
| 10:17:46 | HCl | bbl |
| 10:18:21 | Zoom2 | alright guys, I just took 2 sleeping pills alas I am off - thanks again for the quick answers |
| 10:18:31 | LinusN | Zoom2: sleep tight |
| 10:18:42 | Zoom2 | thanks |
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| 10:19:06 | * | LinusN doesn't need sleeping pills, he needs amphetamine :-) |
| 10:20:25 | Bagder | sleep is overrated anyway ;-) |
| 10:20:37 | * | Bger hates such pills ... |
| 10:20:57 | cheriff | does the CF in the iriver have the 96k scratchpad mentioned in MCF5249UM.pdf? |
| 10:21:11 | Bagder | if scratchpad means iram, then yes |
| 10:21:15 | Bger | scratchpad ? |
| 10:21:31 | cheriff | the SRAM, i mean |
| 10:21:54 | LinusN | cheriff: yes |
| 10:21:59 | Bger | yes |
| 10:22:04 | Bger | too late |
| 10:22:13 | LinusN | section 6 "Static RAM" |
| 10:22:17 | Bger | it's in 2 banks (iirc) |
| 10:22:35 | LinusN | yes, one DMA capable and one not |
| 10:22:47 | cheriff | so what i have is *exactly* as described here? |
| 10:22:48 | Bger | just to say it ... |
| 10:23:02 | Bger | cheriff more or less... |
| 10:23:12 | cheriff | sorry, but i'm used to sony making custom modifications to off the shelf MPIS cores.. |
| 10:23:28 | Bger | as linus said once ... on paper it's better than in reallity ... |
| 10:23:29 | LinusN | cheriff: this is a standard vanilla MCF5249 |
| 10:23:43 | cheriff | cool, thanks! |
| 10:24:55 | Bger | LinusN ... "the question" ... do you have any idea when you'll take a look @ your H320 ? |
| 10:25:16 | LinusN | nope |
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| 10:28:26 | Bger | expected answer :( |
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| 10:30:30 | Nuxator | hi all |
| 10:31:05 | LinusN | Nuxator: shalom |
| 10:31:14 | Nuxator | ast cvs commit was about mp3 file seeking |
| 10:31:18 | LinusN | Bger: "the answer" :-) |
| 10:31:21 | Nuxator | but it doesn't work on mine |
| 10:31:31 | LinusN | Nuxator: oh |
| 10:31:38 | Bger | yeah, the answer ... |
| 10:31:41 | Nuxator | if i try to fast forward |
| 10:32:21 | Nuxator | it restart playing from the begining but the display on the screen is wrong |
| 10:33:35 | Nuxator | and by the way did you read logs about my player that doesn't leave usb mode? |
| 10:34:18 | LinusN | Nuxator: no |
| 10:34:29 | Bagder | what tag format does OGG use? Is there a spec URL somewhere? |
| 10:34:33 | LinusN | Nuxator: do you build from CVS? |
| 10:34:41 | Nuxator | i got bleeding edge |
| 10:34:45 | LinusN | Bagder: apev2 methinks |
| 10:34:57 | crwl | bah |
| 10:34:58 | Bagder | google does not easily reveal this |
| 10:35:00 | crwl | that's vorbis comments |
| 10:35:05 | crwl | nothing related to any mp3 tagging format |
| 10:35:05 | LinusN | crwl: ah |
| 10:35:15 | crwl | FLAC uses the same format, too |
| 10:35:15 | LinusN | crwl: figures |
| 10:35:42 | Bagder | I feel a need to reinvent HCl's wheel |
| 10:35:44 | crwl | vorbis comments are basically unlimited number of key=value pairs (same key can occur multiple times), encoded in utf-8 |
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| 10:36:19 | Bagder | hey Zagor |
| 10:36:23 | Zagor | hi |
| 10:37:29 | Bagder | http://www.xiph.org/ogg/vorbis/doc/v-comment.html <= the "Vorbis Comments" spec |
| 10:40:34 | Bagder | ... and it doesn't even mention what endian the 32 bit numbers are using |
| 10:41:05 | Bagder | what? isn't the whole world Intel? |
| 10:41:30 | crwl | it's in the 2.1.3 |
| 10:41:37 | crwl | bitpacking convention, byte order: big endian |
| 10:41:49 | crwl | http://www.xiph.org/ogg/vorbis/doc/Vorbis_I_spec.html#id4774875 |
| 10:42:25 | Bagder | weird |
| 10:42:38 | * | Bagder tries to learn |
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| 10:43:41 | LinusN | Nuxator: tell me about the stuck-in-usb experience |
| 10:43:49 | Bger | VORBIS_COMMENT: This block is for storing a list of human-readable name/value pairs. Values are encoded using UTF-8. It is an implementation of the Vorbis comment specification. This is the only officially supported tagging mechanism in FLAC. There may be only one VORBIS_COMMENT block in a stream. |
| 10:44:31 | Nuxator | If i plug my ihp140 it goes to usb mode (in rockbox or in bootloader mode) |
| 10:44:39 | Bger | (got from http://flac.sourceforge.net/format.html) |
| 10:44:43 | Nuxator | but when i unplug it it stay as this |
| 10:45:05 | Nuxator | just displays the usb logo or usb bootloader |
| 10:45:17 | Nuxator | if i press a key backlight swith on |
| 10:45:25 | Nuxator | but i can't do anithing else |
| 10:46:22 | LinusN | every time? |
| 10:46:27 | Nuxator | yes |
| 10:46:52 | Nuxator | and yesterday with mp3 playback usb bug mp3 still plays |
| 10:47:10 | Nuxator | so it doesn't crash but just stay at usb screen |
| 10:47:59 | LinusN | Nuxator: mp3 playback is a different issue |
| 10:48:41 | Nuxator | yes i know i just did it to see if it's a crash or just if it just doen't detect end of usb mode |
| 10:48:50 | LinusN | Nuxator: i can't make it happen on my h140 |
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| 10:49:38 | tucoz | Hi |
| 10:49:44 | LinusN | yo |
| 10:49:50 | Nuxator | and it seems that i'm the only one |
| 10:50:20 | Nuxator | or maybe an other people but i didn't get if he was speaking for my bug or mp3/usb bug |
| 10:50:41 | tucoz | LinusN: now, when I turned on my iriver it started to scream(!), immediatly , as in the bootloader |
| 10:51:05 | tucoz | It's like it loops something quite fast |
| 10:51:48 | tucoz | Should the bootloader perhaps reset something, or initialize audio in some way? |
| 10:52:54 | LinusN | tucoz: perhaps |
| 10:53:37 | Nuxator | by the way: mp3 seeking is working |
| 10:53:55 | Nuxator | i just failed to overwrite my old rockbox.iriver |
| 10:54:07 | tucoz | ok, It's no worry though, just to unplug the headphones. |
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| 10:56:56 | LinusN | Page mode tests: mpa2wav.rock@120MHz catching the digital flow: |
| 10:57:14 | LinusN | With Page mode: ends at 115.60% |
| 10:57:27 | LinusN | Without page mode: ends at 115.74% |
| 10:59:31 | Nuxator | If i let mp3 play plug and unplug: when buffer is empty it retruns to normal mode.... Strange |
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| 11:01:15 | t0mas | Nuxator: you have the newest version? |
| 11:01:22 | t0mas | there was an update this morning... |
| 11:01:30 | Nuxator | yes |
| 11:01:39 | t0mas | 08:34 - Fixed: Ogg Vorbis crashing, MP3 file seeking, USB mode and a little |
| 11:01:40 | t0mas | faster file buffering. |
| 11:01:49 | Nuxator | i know |
| 11:07:07 | Nuxator | but i have bugs with usb |
| 11:07:21 | Nuxator | and it seems that i'm the only one with them |
| 11:07:30 | LinusN | Nuxator: and this never happens with the original firmware? |
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| 11:09:41 | Nuxator | no prob with iriver firmware |
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| 11:10:59 | Nuxator | I use 1.65E patched with fwpatcher.exe |
| 11:11:12 | Nuxator | so bootloader V2 |
| 11:11:25 | preglow | LinusN: and we don't use pagemode right now, no? |
| 11:11:36 | LinusN | no we don't |
| 11:12:50 | amiconn | 115%? I thought mp3 was around 300% ?? |
| 11:13:06 | LinusN | not when catching the digital flow |
| 11:13:14 | preglow | with dithering and wavwriting + 320kbps, i guess |
| 11:13:32 | LinusN | preglow: which is what mpa2wav does |
| 11:13:41 | preglow | LinusN: not mine ;) |
| 11:14:03 | LinusN | and the current playback code dithers as well |
| 11:14:20 | Bagder | crwl: I don't see how your URL explains the endian order of the vorbis comments |
| 11:14:44 | preglow | i'll have to do some tests to see if the dithering even matters |
| 11:14:46 | preglow | i suspect not |
| 11:14:53 | preglow | for me, at least |
| 11:15:13 | LinusN | qualitywise? |
| 11:15:15 | preglow | yea |
| 11:15:43 | crwl | Bagder, wouldn't it be odd if the comments used different byte order than everything else |
| 11:16:05 | Bagder | crwl: but that link doesn't tell what byte order they use, it only explains the concept of byte orders |
| 11:16:40 | Bagder | hm, no |
| 11:16:42 | Bagder | I'm wrong |
| 11:16:51 | LinusN | The Vorbis bitpacking convention specifies storage and bitstream manipulation at the byte, not word, level, thus host word ordering is of a concern only during optimization when writing high performance code that operates on a word of storage at a time rather than by byte. |
| 11:17:09 | LinusN | Logically, bytes are always coded and decoded in order from byte zero through byte n. |
| 11:17:17 | Bagder | yes |
| 11:17:21 | Bagder | and that is... |
| 11:17:22 | Bagder | ? |
| 11:17:29 | Bagder | what is byte 0? |
| 11:17:34 | Bagder | in a 32 bit integer |
| 11:17:45 | LinusN | it doesn't use integers |
| 11:17:55 | LinusN | "at the byte level" |
| 11:18:42 | Bagder | so a 32 bit integer is stored how? |
| 11:19:00 | Bagder | yes, I am stupid but I don't understand |
| 11:19:46 | Bagder | I _can_ just check an existing file to find out of course |
| 11:20:11 | LinusN | Bagder: i agree that the url doesn't tell anything about the vorbiscomments byte order |
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| 11:21:03 | LinusN | what the url says is that the vorbis packer is byte-oriented, so endianness is not relevant |
| 11:21:13 | t0mas | hm? vorbis is working at the byte level for audio data? so it doesn't care about endiannes there? and in the comments it's host dependant? |
| 11:21:39 | preglow | i expect audio data is coded at the bit level |
| 11:21:52 | Bagder | LinusN: yes, but how do they construct "an unsigned integer of 32 bits" from "byte-level" ? |
| 11:21:56 | LinusN | preglow: yes it is, and the packer packs it into bytes |
| 11:22:06 | LinusN | Bagder: does it matter? |
| 11:22:09 | Bagder | yes |
| 11:22:14 | LinusN | why? |
| 11:22:21 | Bagder | since that's what the comment format uses |
| 11:22:29 | Bagder | 1) [vendor_length] = read an unsigned integer of 32 bits |
| 11:22:35 | t0mas | Bagder: then I guess big endian... |
| 11:22:41 | LinusN | does the vorbis comment format use the bit packer? |
| 11:22:48 | LinusN | i think not |
| 11:23:02 | Bagder | it says very little |
| 11:23:07 | Bagder | one can only assume |
| 11:23:12 | LinusN | therefore i'd say that the bit packing docs are irrelevant |
| 11:23:14 | t0mas | oh wait a moment |
| 11:23:26 | Bagder | LinusN: I'd say so too |
| 11:23:28 | t0mas | just found an encoder... with the option to chose... big or little endian |
| 11:23:39 | t0mas | so I don't think it's defined by the ogg standard? |
| 11:23:39 | Bagder | LinusN: but that leaves us with _no_ hint on byte order for the ocmments ;-) |
| 11:24:06 | t0mas | http://savonet.sourceforge.net/ocamldoc/ocaml-vorbis/Vorbis.html <−− search the page for endian |
| 11:24:12 | LinusN | Bagder: no BOM? |
| 11:24:20 | Bagder | LinusN: no |
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| 11:24:44 | Bagder | it starts with a 32 bit length |
| 11:24:49 | Bagder | gotta go |
| 11:26:52 | LinusN | "least-significant-bit of the word to be coded into the least significant available bit of the current bitstream octet first" |
| 11:27:00 | LinusN | clear as mud :-) |
| 11:27:41 | LinusN | i interpret this as little endian |
| 11:28:05 | preglow | wow, someone actually using little endian in their format |
| 11:28:58 | LinusN | if we just use oggpack_read(), we should be fine |
| 11:31:31 | preglow | tremor's gotten pretty fast |
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| 11:31:59 | preglow | i wonder why pbvas didn't do the obvious XPROD32 optimisation, works fine here |
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| 12:35:32 | markun | preglow: what was the obvious XPROD32 optimisation he didn't do? |
| 12:38:03 | preglow | look in asm_mcf5249.h |
| 12:41:37 | markun | Do you know how to rewrite it? |
| 12:41:52 | preglow | yes |
| 12:41:58 | preglow | i have done so, and it works great |
| 12:42:13 | preglow | he probably has good reason for not doing it, though, so i've mailed it |
| 12:42:19 | markun | Is there a speed increase? |
| 12:42:29 | preglow | there's always the chance it overflows, but that chance is there in PROD32 as well, and that's optimised |
| 12:42:34 | preglow | yeah, a small but noticable one |
| 12:42:58 | markun | I noticed my q3 oggs now decode at about 190% |
| 12:43:13 | preglow | yeah, it's gotten pretty fast |
| 12:43:18 | preglow | and there are still things to do with it |
| 12:43:44 | preglow | replacing the mdct with fft and sorting for one |
| 12:43:51 | preglow | i hope that ends up faster |
| 12:44:06 | markun | It would be nice if the codecs would use the same fixed point conventions so we could share the mdct code.. |
| 12:46:20 | preglow | well, they might |
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| 12:46:27 | preglow | faad uses the same format some places, i know |
| 12:46:39 | preglow | but i think that might be a bit too much to hope for, heh |
| 12:46:40 | markun | the same as tremor? |
| 12:46:43 | preglow | libmad uses its own thing |
| 12:47:03 | preglow | and its own window sizes, so that can just be forgotten about |
| 12:47:09 | preglow | yeah, same as tremor |
| 12:47:10 | tucoz | LinusN: Just for the record, I don't think that sound on boot is the bootloader, as it never happens with rec plus play |
| 12:47:17 | preglow | this is just a wild guess, though, i've just barely looked at it |
| 12:48:35 | tucoz | LinusN: But, just now I woke up quite well, as I had my headphones on when this chainsaw-sound emerged through them :) |
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| 12:51:27 | tucoz | But, if noone else has experienced this, then it's possible that it's just my unit that is malfunctioning. |
| 12:51:35 | ripnetuk | ive had it |
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| 12:51:54 | ripnetuk | the strange buzzing noise on startup. Im guessing its just ebcause the registers on the DAC havent been initialized |
| 12:52:08 | tucoz | ripnetuk: ok, good to know |
| 12:52:29 | markun | preglow: can the imdct for faad2 (which uses fft and sorting) be used on tremor? |
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| 12:52:49 | tucoz | ripnetuk: buzzing at full volume, right? |
| 12:55:55 | ripnetuk | makes sense |
| 12:56:01 | ripnetuk | quite loud yes, maybe not full |
| 12:56:17 | ripnetuk | makes you jump :) |
| 12:56:50 | tucoz | yes, if I'm not quite awake, I sure am after that |
| 12:59:23 | HCl | its gta san andreas day |
| 12:59:25 | HCl | o.o |
| 12:59:31 | ripnetuk | HCl - :) |
| 12:59:36 | ripnetuk | xbox yes? or pc? |
| 12:59:39 | HCl | both. |
| 12:59:40 | HCl | i think |
| 12:59:47 | HCl | downloading xbox version now |
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| 13:00:11 | ripnetuk | HCl - where d'ya get it from? ive not come across it yet? (not asking for URL - just bt, usenet etc) |
| 13:00:17 | preglow | markun: depends on the fixed point format |
| 13:00:27 | HCl | internet ;p |
| 13:00:33 | ripnetuk | hehe |
| 13:00:37 | ripnetuk | lol |
| 13:00:51 | markun | thought you just said faad uses the same format as tremor? |
| 13:00:56 | preglow | markun: feel free to have a look, tremors data seems to be sign plus 31 bits of fraction mostly |
| 13:00:58 | HCl | markun: we mostly gotta do the report, right? |
| 13:01:06 | HCl | *yawns* |
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| 13:01:12 | preglow | markun: i also thought i said was a wild guess |
| 13:01:27 | markun | HCl: Yes, think the rest is almost finished |
| 13:01:39 | HCl | oh, and we gotta test chars |
| 13:01:44 | HCl | and i'd like to add type casting |
| 13:01:47 | preglow | i have seen faad uses that format some places |
| 13:01:52 | preglow | not sure if it's used in imdct |
| 13:01:57 | * | HCl yawns again |
| 13:02:26 | markun | preglow: I'm looking at it now. |
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| 13:04:32 | ripnetuk | HCl - yay for bittorrent :) |
| 13:04:45 | HCl | i don't think the pal version is out yet :/ |
| 13:04:58 | HCl | and our cruddy old tv can't do ntsc |
| 13:04:58 | ripnetuk | no, thats the 10th |
| 13:05:06 | HCl | oh :( |
| 13:05:08 | ripnetuk | dang :( |
| 13:05:09 | HCl | i didn't know that. |
| 13:05:49 | preglow | HCl: weren't you download this ten days ago or something? :PP |
| 13:05:52 | ripnetuk | cant you switch the xbox from pal to ntsc using the enigma boot loader or somethign? |
| 13:06:06 | HCl | preglow: partly, but it was a fake :) |
| 13:06:15 | ripnetuk | HCl - i donwloaded that as well... |
| 13:06:18 | HCl | ripnetuk: yes, but then the output will be in ntsc |
| 13:06:25 | HCl | and our tv can't handle that |
| 13:06:38 | ripnetuk | i mean leave it in pal, then dont all games kick out a pal signal? |
| 13:06:50 | ripnetuk | not sure if a specific game can override tho |
| 13:07:04 | HCl | some games refuse to run in pal mode |
| 13:07:12 | HCl | eg, super monkey ball deluxe |
| 13:07:40 | ripnetuk | oh well... only 3 days to wait |
| 13:08:04 | ripnetuk | i probly wont play it until next week anyway, as im off to download festival very soon :) |
| 13:09:37 | HCl | its going dissappointingly slow... 23k/s :/ |
| 13:09:49 | HCl | but |
| 13:09:50 | HCl | i'm dumb :) |
| 13:09:55 | * | HCl grabs it off their student net |
| 13:10:11 | HCl | why use the internet when its on our 100mbit network :) |
| 13:12:39 | markun | preglow: I think FRAC_CONST does the same as tremor, can you check? http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/faac/faad2/libfaad/fixed.h?rev=1.27&view=auto |
| 13:14:51 | preglow | fracs are the same, yes |
| 13:15:20 | preglow | that's the format the emac unit uses |
| 13:15:39 | preglow | and the format tremors's PROD31 functions use |
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| 13:18:56 | XavierGr | Hi All! |
| 13:18:58 | markun | I like the way the floats are converted to fixed point at compile time. |
| 13:20:23 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 13:20:34 | preglow | assuming you've got a compiler that's decent, heh |
| 13:22:27 | markun | of course. I guess gcc doesn't have a problem it. |
| 13:22:33 | Bagder | http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/A/AM/AMOLLOY/Ogg-Vorbis-Header-PurePerl-0.07.tar.gz |
| 13:22:45 | Bagder | seems suitable for songdb |
| 13:23:23 | markun | Ah, hi XavierGr btw :) |
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| 13:25:35 | * | HCl looks at his san andreas download |
| 13:25:38 | * | HCl looks at the time :/ |
| 13:26:30 | XavierGr | is that for PC? |
| 13:26:34 | HCl | no |
| 13:26:38 | XavierGr | :( |
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| 13:55:00 | spiralout | hi there |
| 13:55:34 | tvelocity | t0mas, *ping*, are you there? |
| 13:55:55 | XavierGr | hi spiralout |
| 13:56:40 | spiralout | just one question is the sound-playback support already implemented in the daily build or only in the *zip from slasheri? |
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| 13:57:40 | XavierGr | it's commited in CVS so every daily build has it |
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| 13:57:56 | spiralout | ok thank you:) |
| 13:58:01 | muesli- | high |
| 13:59:09 | XavierGr | hi muesli- |
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| 14:00:40 | muesli- | hi XavierGr |
| 14:00:49 | Shagnar | aloa |
| 14:01:40 | muesli- | jojo |
| 14:04:11 | spiralout | and how can a normaly windoze user without coding skills integrate a patch? |
| 14:05:05 | Bagder | 1) don't 2) install the dev environment and learn how to |
| 14:06:30 | spiralout | ah ok |
| 14:08:24 | XavierGr | OR use the Rockbox Devkit! |
| 14:08:39 | Bagder | that _is_ a dev environment |
| 14:08:41 | XavierGr | I did and I am quite |
| 14:08:54 | XavierGr | Ah thought you said cygwin |
| 14:09:07 | spiralout | ok thank you guys i take a look |
| 14:09:30 | Bagder | I recommand using linux any day ;-) |
| 14:09:43 | muesli- | i dont :D |
| 14:10:04 | Bagder | that only shows you don't build rockbox very often :-) |
| 14:10:05 | muesli- | pushing my mouse arround rulez :D |
| 14:10:27 | muesli- | indeed..am to stupid for coding... |
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| 14:13:02 | * | Zagor just bought a new digicam |
| 14:13:12 | preglow | ooh |
| 14:13:18 | preglow | which one? |
| 14:13:37 | Zagor | the Fuji F10 |
| 14:14:05 | muesli- | i am keen on canons 350d.. |
| 14:14:21 | Zagor | i was looking at the canons, sonys and casios at first but then found this "dark horse". |
| 14:14:26 | preglow | muesli-: why, you're not alone in that... |
| 14:14:41 | preglow | i'm gonna get myself a new digicam once i get cash |
| 14:15:37 | Zagor | personally I can't see myself lugging around cameras weighing as much as the 350d. |
| 14:15:55 | preglow | having a smaller one as well is pretty clever |
| 14:17:51 | preglow | but i'm very interested in photography as well, so i'd like an slr too |
| 14:17:54 | muesli- | i had a small compact cam like a canon ixus 40. its excellent for fun pics while parties but for landscapes it suxxx |
| 14:18:10 | muesli- | preglow same for me |
| 14:18:32 | preglow | being able to switch lenses is pretty neat |
| 14:18:55 | * | Bagder has ogg support in songdb now |
| 14:19:07 | preglow | great |
| 14:19:09 | preglow | woot |
| 14:19:10 | preglow | and so forth |
| 14:19:15 | * | preglow denounces java |
| 14:19:56 | thegeek | hey, an idea: when the iriver is charging and numerical display of the battery is on, why not display just a tiny "charging icon" and show the "real" percentage of the battery instad of that "animation/numerical-loop" |
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| 14:20:26 | bobTHC | the best "compact camera" is the Panasonic Lumix DMC-FX7 |
| 14:20:29 | * | muesli- denounces the costs for lenses/objectives.. |
| 14:20:46 | preglow | muesli-: amen |
| 14:21:36 | muesli- | (same word like in german) thats why i will have one more expensive one |
| 14:21:46 | Shagnar | canon a80 :rock: ;D |
| 14:21:49 | Bger | "the best camera" is one with open protocol for me :P |
| 14:22:07 | bobTHC | open protocol for what ? |
| 14:22:10 | Bger | like PTP or UMS |
| 14:22:14 | bobTHC | uhh |
| 14:22:34 | Zagor | Bger: most cameras have ums these days |
| 14:22:38 | bobTHC | i dont care about plug my camera |
| 14:22:48 | Bger | Zagor: yes, if you exclude Canon ones ... |
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| 14:23:03 | Bagder | feel free to test my commit |
| 14:23:05 | bobTHC | i prefere use a cardreader |
| 14:23:19 | Bagder | I'm off for a while |
| 14:24:28 | preglow | i will |
| 14:24:33 | preglow | i've got more or less only vorbis files |
| 14:25:40 | Bger | definitely legal ones... ;) |
| 14:26:04 | preglow | Bagder: but i thought people vehemently opposed having perl modules external to songdb.pl |
| 14:27:26 | Zagor | not vehemently oppose. but it makes running it from the usb disk more difficult in windows. |
| 14:28:04 | muesli- | l8er girlz |
| 14:30:35 | XavierGr | oof snake2 porting finished just now! |
| 14:30:42 | XavierGr | fancy a pic? |
| 14:30:57 | preglow | where does rockbox save its settings?= |
| 14:31:15 | Zagor | in a sector on the disk |
| 14:32:29 | preglow | isn't that a bit nasty? |
| 14:33:12 | Zagor | no, it's a sector that is never used. |
| 14:34:21 | Zagor | however we have discussed for a long time to dump the sector and use our config file system for all settings. makes things more visible and transparent. |
| 14:34:32 | XavierGr | http://www.misticriver.net/photos/displayimage.php?album=38&pos=3 |
| 14:34:32 | Zagor | it also make it slower though. |
| 14:34:45 | XavierGr | http://www.misticriver.net/photos/displayimage.php?album=38&pos=5 |
| 14:35:23 | preglow | ouch |
| 14:35:32 | XavierGr | what? |
| 14:35:35 | preglow | playback has some problems with browsing, yes |
| 14:35:41 | XavierGr | yes |
| 14:35:59 | preglow | just completely locked up with the disk in permanent activity here |
| 14:36:07 | XavierGr | reset! |
| 14:36:20 | preglow | no shit |
| 14:36:20 | dapureplaya | Hi everybody |
| 14:36:24 | XavierGr | hi |
| 14:37:04 | | Nick XavierGr is now known as Xavier|away (~XavierGr@ppp12-adsl-188.ath.forthnet.gr) |
| 14:37:12 | zezayer_away | Xavier|away: thats amazing!! Well done |
| 14:37:17 | Xavier|away | thanks |
| 14:37:38 | Xavier|away | thanks to your images it is good looking |
| 14:38:03 | zezayer_away | u did the hard bit, making teh images was the easy bit |
| 14:38:06 | preglow | it's never been this buggy before |
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| 15:29:07 | Xavier|away | have to go see you all later! |
| 15:29:11 | LinusN | cu |
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| 15:36:31 | Chamois | wps files are still limited to 13 char |
| 15:36:45 | Chamois | but in the wiki i read 26 lines |
| 15:36:50 | Chamois | oops char means lines |
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| 15:46:58 | LinusN | Chamois: fixed |
| 15:47:41 | Bger | in code or in the wiki ;) |
| 15:47:46 | bg_ | *something to add to the wiki and be aware of... rockbox may not boot if formatted with 3rd party tools such as norton partition magic |
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| 15:48:06 | Bger | bg_ that's not problem with bootloader v2 ;) |
| 15:48:11 | bg_ | yes it is |
| 15:48:16 | bg_ | i had bootloader v2 |
| 15:48:20 | bg_ | and it would not boot |
| 15:48:36 | Bger | i mean that you can always repair it with boot time USB |
| 15:49:09 | Bger | btw, isn't this problem with iriver fw also ? |
| 15:49:29 | bg_ | worked fine under iriver fw |
| 15:49:42 | bg_ | i ended up formatting using irivers built in method |
| 15:49:47 | bg_ | and rockbox boots fine now |
| 15:52:58 | Musicmad | is it sufficient to just copy the daily build over and reboot? |
| 15:53:27 | Musicmad | I have Rolo working etc. already |
| 15:53:27 | Bger | it should be |
| 15:53:34 | bipak | yes works :) |
| 15:53:47 | Musicmad | ok - I wonder why I don't have wps then. |
| 15:54:11 | Chamois | Linus : thx |
| 15:54:28 | LinusN | bg_: "formatted with 3rd party tools" |
| 15:54:44 | LinusN | i seriously doubt it has anything to do with that |
| 15:54:50 | bg_ | i bet it does |
| 15:54:56 | LinusN | how did you partition it? |
| 15:55:15 | bg_ | i formatted with partition magic, it set up the partitions itself |
| 15:55:20 | Bger | bg_ in fact, did you made any partition |
| 15:55:25 | bg_ | no |
| 15:55:30 | Bger | that's the problem |
| 15:55:40 | bg_ | when i mounted it under linux, i had to mount it as sdc5 |
| 15:55:47 | bg_ | after formatting with iriver, its sdc1 |
| 15:55:50 | Bger | you must make |
| 15:55:54 | LinusN | bg_: then you had no partition table at all |
| 15:56:06 | LinusN | so called "super floppy mode" |
| 15:56:17 | bg_ | ok |
| 15:56:44 | Bger | s/did you made/did you make ..... |
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| 16:01:30 | LinusN | rockbox is supposed to handle superfloppy mode, but we haven't tested it much with the iriver |
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| 16:02:17 | CoCoLUS | why would anyone want to use this mode instead of just using an usual partition table? |
| 16:02:56 | LinusN | bg_: so it has nothing to do with the tool itself |
| 16:03:58 | LinusN | CoCoLUS: it's handy for compact flash etc |
| 16:04:08 | LinusN | where you normally only have one partition |
| 16:04:27 | LinusN | and it *should* work with rockbox as well |
| 16:05:05 | LinusN | but for now, rockbox still requires a partition table to be able to allocate a sector for saving the settings |
| 16:05:24 | LinusN | gotta go now |
| 16:05:26 | LinusN | cu all |
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| 16:05:29 | Bger | cu, LinusN |
| 16:05:34 | Bger | too late |
| 16:05:45 | Slasheri | nice this nokia 9500, ircing with ssh and going to town by bus :) |
| 16:06:06 | Bger | :P |
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| 16:06:24 | * | Bger hates nokia ... |
| 16:06:32 | Slasheri | :D |
| 16:07:13 | Slasheri | and of course rockbox is playing music ;) |
| 16:08:13 | preglow | Slasheri: current cvs really has problems with browsing and music at once |
| 16:08:21 | Bger | having the fact that nokia is finland corp ... ;) |
| 16:08:23 | preglow | Slasheri: i'm hacking up a quick wavpack codec here, btw |
| 16:09:02 | Bger | preglow optimising it or ? |
| 16:09:09 | Slasheri | Hmm, great. i will try to solve biggest problems soon |
| 16:09:09 | preglow | no, making a codec plugin for it |
| 16:09:21 | preglow | david bryant's doing the optimising |
| 16:15:05 | [solid] | preglow: how bout musepack and flac?:) |
| 16:15:59 | preglow | [solid]: no time |
| 16:16:04 | preglow | [solid]: and musepack isn't even realtime |
| 16:16:38 | [solid] | suppose 'hacking a quick' means no support for lossy dualstream playback? |
| 16:18:03 | preglow | our wavpack lib doesn't support that |
| 16:18:11 | preglow | don't know if it ever will |
| 16:18:18 | preglow | you'll have to ask david about that |
| 16:18:30 | [solid] | methinks wavpack and musepack support will be the real marketing shiznit for rockbox... everyone will start wanting to have a h1xx then :D |
| 16:18:39 | preglow | haha |
| 16:18:57 | preglow | "everyone" being people that actually knows musepack and wavpack exists, yes? :P |
| 16:19:02 | [solid] | but i shall not bother you anymore... have fun and good luck |
| 16:19:20 | [solid] | yeah, musepack has a lot of fans unhappy that it has no portable support |
| 16:19:46 | [solid] | and wavpack is slowly growing to be the lossless codec of choice imo |
| 16:20:05 | [solid] | (still using flac tho, it's nice to have oggenc encode straight from flac's on linux) |
| 16:20:18 | preglow | yeah, i think wavpack looks nicer myself |
| 16:20:30 | preglow | i also think musepack looks sweet |
| 16:20:37 | [solid] | :) |
| 16:20:37 | preglow | it's a nice and simple codec |
| 16:21:09 | [solid] | and has replaygain supported in the headers, independent of tags, i like that |
| 16:21:21 | tvelocity | er... who can i ask about dict2rdf? |
| 16:24:29 | * | [solid] floats away with portable gapless vorbis in tha hedphones |
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| 16:31:59 | preglow | Slasheri: why are the AFMT_ #defines formatted like bitfields, btw? do you predict we'll ever need to combine these in a bitfield? |
| 16:33:00 | preglow | doing it like this does give us an artificial limit of 32 codecs |
| 16:35:17 | preglow | and why the hell does ".rm" files return CODEC_OGG_VORBIS? :PPP |
| 16:35:23 | preglow | AFMT, i mean |
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| 16:49:06 | tvelocity | t0mas, are you there? |
| 16:49:56 | t0mas | yes |
| 16:49:58 | t0mas | I am |
| 16:50:45 | tvelocity | ok, some questions about the rdf |
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| 16:50:52 | t0mas | k |
| 16:51:13 | MO-Pantsu | yo I have a weird prob on latest iRiver build |
| 16:51:53 | tvelocity | i keep entries in lowercase and sorted... but the dict format allows spaces and other characters to be used. should i keep them or filter them out? |
| 16:52:12 | MO-Pantsu | if I play an mp3 file 01 in a folder it skips past 02 to 03. But if I put it in a playlist it does not skip the track |
| 16:52:30 | MO-Pantsu | anyone know why? :) |
| 16:52:42 | preglow | playback is far from finished |
| 16:52:50 | preglow | i'm sure slasheri will look into your problem when he's got time |
| 16:52:59 | MO-Pantsu | k |
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| 16:53:48 | MO-Pantsu | will there be work on making gapless playback on mp3 flow better too do you know? |
| 16:53:59 | preglow | there will, as i said, it's far from finished |
| 16:54:12 | preglow | mp3 files that have lame info header will be proper gapless |
| 16:54:14 | MO-Pantsu | Ok just checking. Amazing work thus far |
| 16:54:32 | preglow | all other mp3 files will have a short gap, there's nothing to be done about that |
| 16:54:51 | MO-Pantsu | oh I thought you might use the trick Winamp does |
| 16:55:03 | t0mas | tvelocity: ascii isn't a problem |
| 16:55:07 | t0mas | as long as you keep them sorted... |
| 16:55:08 | preglow | MO-Pantsu: which is? |
| 16:55:08 | MO-Pantsu | I can get nearly any mp3 gapless using Winamp's buffering method |
| 16:55:11 | t0mas | and under the maxwordlen |
| 16:55:15 | t0mas | (32 chars atm) |
| 16:55:21 | preglow | buffering method? |
| 16:55:22 | MO-Pantsu | as in does not skip or jump forward |
| 16:55:28 | tvelocity | 32 chars? ok |
| 16:55:38 | preglow | well, i'm sure winamp too has short gaps in mp3s that don't have the lame info header |
| 16:55:40 | t0mas | tvelocity: make that definable please? |
| 16:55:53 | MO-Pantsu | preglow I don't hear them |
| 16:56:00 | tvelocity | with a parameter? |
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| 16:56:24 | preglow | MO-Pantsu: well, are you sure the files haven't got the info header? |
| 16:56:24 | MO-Pantsu | Buffer length 2000 ms Prebuffer 500 ms Buffer ahead on track change 500 ms |
| 16:56:36 | preglow | MO-Pantsu: that's a winamp hack and has nothing to do with us |
| 16:56:38 | t0mas | tvelocity: no in code is ok |
| 16:56:39 | preglow | MO-Pantsu: we always prebuffer |
| 16:56:40 | tvelocity | dict also has newlines in the definitions. should I just replace them with spaces? |
| 16:56:47 | t0mas | tvelocity: yes |
| 16:56:53 | tvelocity | ok then |
| 16:56:58 | tvelocity | i'm almost done |
| 16:57:01 | MO-Pantsu | just testing a mixset have and it jumps ahead too far on track change |
| 16:57:01 | tvelocity | :D |
| 16:57:10 | MO-Pantsu | does not do that in winamp |
| 16:57:24 | MO-Pantsu | like it cuts off too much in rockbox |
| 16:57:26 | preglow | well, it will be fixed |
| 16:57:38 | preglow | the gapless mp3 thing is just a hack now, since slasheri doens't know how it's supposed to work |
| 16:57:42 | preglow | i gotta go |
| 16:57:45 | MO-Pantsu | oh ok |
| 16:58:07 | MO-Pantsu | if it;s not done it's not done I didn't think it was finalised yet |
| 16:58:13 | MO-Pantsu | :) |
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| 17:23:12 | HCl | hmm, too bad |
| 17:23:23 | HCl | gta san andreas insists on ntsc mode :/ |
| 17:23:34 | preglow | well, it's an ntsc game... |
| 17:23:39 | preglow | most newer televisions do ntsc anyway |
| 17:23:45 | HCl | yea. |
| 17:23:46 | HCl | i know |
| 17:23:49 | HCl | we have a crappy old one |
| 17:23:53 | preglow | mine isn't one of them |
| 17:23:53 | preglow | heh |
| 17:23:54 | HCl | i'm saving up for an lcd tv |
| 17:24:11 | preglow | haha |
| 17:24:15 | preglow | i'll just use my monitor :P |
| 17:24:21 | HCl | same thing |
| 17:24:28 | HCl | my lcd tv will double as my tft monitor. |
| 17:24:32 | HCl | really nice, actually |
| 17:24:41 | HCl | 26" screen |
| 17:24:42 | HCl | :) |
| 17:24:50 | preglow | sounds cheap |
| 17:24:54 | HCl | :P |
| 17:25:00 | HCl | it is, relatively :) |
| 17:25:16 | HCl | cause tft tvs don't sell for as much as tft monitors |
| 17:25:23 | HCl | you can get a 26" for +- 800 euro |
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| 17:26:54 | preglow | ahhh |
| 17:27:00 | preglow | crappy resolution, then |
| 17:27:06 | preglow | wouldn't exactly use that for a monitor |
| 17:27:07 | HCl | not too bad |
| 17:27:10 | HCl | 1280x800 |
| 17:27:22 | preglow | well, yeah, a bit strange for a monitor ;) |
| 17:27:31 | HCl | my laptop is 1280x800 as well. |
| 17:27:32 | Zagor | pixels the size of flies :-) |
| 17:27:41 | Zagor | HCl: yeah, but your laptop isn't 26"... |
| 17:27:44 | HCl | stick it on your wall, wireless keyboard, wireless mouse :) |
| 17:28:20 | HCl | i only use my computer for games and movies |
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| 17:29:58 | preglow | why doesn't rolo work consistently? |
| 17:30:05 | HCl | iono |
| 17:32:14 | tedboer | hi |
| 17:32:42 | tedboer | is there any news on the H3X0 lcd display controller? |
| 17:38:42 | niobos | HCl: I have a question for the album thing |
| 17:38:52 | niobos | I don't get what is defined as "album" |
| 17:39:04 | niobos | a directory? all files with the same "album" field in the tag? |
| 17:39:06 | niobos | ...? |
| 17:39:13 | HCl | all songs in a directory with the same album field |
| 17:39:21 | HCl | optionally, you can change that to all songs in a directory |
| 17:39:40 | niobos | so songs in a different dir are ALWAYS different albums? |
| 17:39:46 | HCl | yes. |
| 17:40:05 | niobos | what do I use for the "album" field in the database then? |
| 17:40:18 | niobos | the directory |
| 17:40:21 | HCl | look at the java version, the java version has an option |
| 17:40:24 | HCl | of directory |
| 17:40:25 | HCl | or |
| 17:40:28 | HCl | albumname + directory |
| 17:40:32 | niobos | I know, but I didn't understand it |
| 17:40:37 | HCl | okay |
| 17:40:43 | HCl | its just the key to store it.. |
| 17:41:10 | niobos | because you do the album_name ___ directory thing |
| 17:41:21 | HCl | yup |
| 17:41:32 | HCl | album name + directory to identify an album |
| 17:41:38 | niobos | so in the database, the stored "album" field should always equal the field in the file's tag |
| 17:41:52 | HCl | unless its an multi artist album |
| 17:42:02 | niobos | but 2 same "album" fields are only considered to be equal if the files are also in the same diretory |
| 17:42:08 | HCl | yup |
| 17:42:35 | tedboer | did anyone try if maybe the H3x0 display controller is compatible with the H1x0 one? |
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| 17:43:04 | niobos | if the directory's are named "artist - album_name" |
| 17:43:20 | niobos | the dir=album will work |
| 17:43:40 | niobos | but the dir=album=name will give you album-names including the artist, correct? |
| 17:44:14 | niobos | ok, I think I get it... thx |
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| 17:50:49 | HCl | oh, also, when dirisalbum is on, file fields needn't be the album anymore.. |
| 17:52:04 | niobos | ?? |
| 17:52:13 | * | niobos is confused |
| 17:52:15 | HCl | cause albums are only associated with directories |
| 17:52:17 | oxman | tchao |
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| 17:52:43 | niobos | isn't that with dirisalbumname? |
| 17:53:06 | HCl | no |
| 17:53:20 | HCl | dirisalbumname makes albumnames default to directory name when no album tag is present |
| 17:53:49 | niobos | hmm... seems like I'm lost again... |
| 17:53:56 | HCl | sorry :/ |
| 17:54:29 | niobos | in the perl-tool you can set dirisalbum and dirisalbumname seperately |
| 17:54:48 | HCl | yes. |
| 17:54:49 | niobos | so situation1: none set, what do I do? |
| 17:54:51 | HCl | they are seperate options. |
| 17:55:05 | HCl | albums are identified by album name and directory |
| 17:55:22 | HCl | when no album tag is present, "<no album tag>" is used for the album tag |
| 17:55:27 | niobos | k |
| 17:56:15 | niobos | and all files without album tag are seen as 1 album with the name "<no album tag>"? |
| 17:56:23 | HCl | no. |
| 17:56:29 | HCl | albums are still associated to album and directory |
| 17:56:38 | HCl | so you can get multiple no album tags |
| 17:57:00 | niobos | ok, so all files without album tag in the same directory are seen as.... |
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| 17:57:14 | HCl | an album without an album tag |
| 17:59:04 | niobos | so I have an album entry with album="", artist=0x0000000 and songs[] all the songs without album tag |
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| 18:00:26 | HCl | eh |
| 18:00:27 | HCl | no. |
| 18:00:34 | HCl | album="<no album tag>" |
| 18:00:36 | niobos | well, drop it, I'll study the perl code |
| 18:00:38 | HCl | artist = whatever artist those songs have |
| 18:00:49 | HCl | and songs[] all the sonngs in that directory. |
| 18:00:50 | HCl | lag.. |
| 18:01:15 | niobos | I'll come back when I'm educated... |
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| 18:16:34 | bobTHC | 61, god it's a peak ! |
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| 18:17:07 | zezayer_away | 62!! |
| 18:17:12 | bobTHC | :) |
| 18:17:53 | amiconn | CoCoLUS (and LinusN, for the log): The problem with rockbox after formatting with 3rd party tool wasn't the 3rd party tool, and it wasn't superfloppy mode |
| 18:18:01 | preglow | linuxstb: wow, haven't seen you around for a while |
| 18:18:41 | amiconn | The real problem was (derived from mentioning sdc5) was that the drive was partitioned as a logical drive within an extended partition |
| 18:18:52 | linuxstb | preglow: No, Real Life has took over. Anything new? :-) |
| 18:18:57 | amiconn | ...and logical drives are (still) unsupported in rockbox |
| 18:19:35 | preglow | linuxstb: oh, this and that |
| 18:19:45 | * | t0mas np: Ashlee Simpson - La La (0:23) [http://amarok.kde.org/] |
| 18:19:52 | t0mas | fond an ogg :D |
| 18:19:56 | t0mas | *found |
| 18:19:57 | bobTHC | cya fellows! |
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| 18:20:35 | linuxstb | I noticed that only MPA and OGG have codecXXX files - is there a reason for that, or is it just that no-one has got around to writing them for the other codecs? |
| 18:21:06 | preglow | linuxstb: i'm sitting on a codecwavpack as we speak, but can't get it to work |
| 18:21:25 | preglow | and i'm really short on time, so i'll let it be until slasheri appears again |
| 18:21:45 | linuxstb | I was thinking of trying to get a codecflac written this evening. |
| 18:21:55 | preglow | sounds good |
| 18:22:30 | linuxstb | The other thing I noticed is that the iRiver only appears to support 11.025, 22.5 and 44.1KHz samplerates - i.e. no 48KHz :-(. Is that a big problem? |
| 18:22:36 | preglow | well |
| 18:22:38 | preglow | depends |
| 18:22:44 | preglow | we'll have to resample 48khz |
| 18:23:11 | linuxstb | :-( Are you saying the iRiver can't do 48KHz? Almost all my files are 48KHz.... |
| 18:23:29 | preglow | it can do it, but then it can't do 44.1khz and those guys |
| 18:23:33 | preglow | it can't do both |
| 18:23:42 | preglow | this is how iriver does it, even |
| 18:23:53 | preglow | even optical out is resampled |
| 18:24:15 | linuxstb | So what's stopping us switching between the two modes, depending on what's playing? |
| 18:24:20 | preglow | dunno |
| 18:24:22 | preglow | you'd have to ask linus |
| 18:25:04 | preglow | now that i think of it, i'm not even sure it can support 48khz |
| 18:25:07 | linuxstb | OK - hopefully he'll read the logs. |
| 18:25:34 | preglow | there is an explanation in the logs already, though |
| 18:26:15 | linuxstb | I've searched the logs, but only the last couple of weeks. Any idea when it was? |
| 18:28:35 | preglow | months ago |
| 18:29:27 | linuxstb | I've just found something on 20050426 - I'll keep browsing... |
| 18:29:27 | preglow | 07.40.51 # <LinusN> damn! it looks like we will have to resample 48000hz to 44100hz, since the hardware can't handle 48000 :-( |
| 18:29:46 | preglow | 20051317 |
| 18:29:52 | preglow | 20050317 <- |
| 18:30:12 | preglow | resampling from 48khz to 44.1khz properly is a pain... |
| 18:31:06 | preglow | will need very large filters, so we'll probably go for a low quality thing |
| 18:31:12 | preglow | like ordinary interpolation |
| 18:31:13 | CoCoLUS | hmm |
| 18:31:47 | preglow | i'm pretty sure i won't be able to hear the aliasing frequencies anyway |
| 18:31:52 | CoCoLUS | that means no direct ac3 output? |
| 18:32:07 | preglow | CoCoLUS: sure, it'll just be resampled |
| 18:32:13 | preglow | CoCoLUS: poorly |
| 18:32:22 | CoCoLUS | noticeable? |
| 18:32:22 | linuxstb | So it sounds like it was a hardware design choice to limit it to the 44.1KHz family. I suppose that makes sense in a way, but it's very annoying. |
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| 18:32:34 | preglow | not so much a choice as a constraint |
| 18:32:42 | preglow | it's a coldfire issue, probably |
| 18:32:53 | preglow | doesn't have enough clock divider options or something |
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| 18:35:49 | preglow | CoCoLUS: i don't think i'll be able to hear it, no, the distortion will be in the frequences 20khz |
| 18:35:58 | preglow | frequencies above 20khz |
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| 18:45:05 | markun | preglow: I noticed something about the DC offset problem. When I press stop when there is silence in the song I hear no 'plop' when I plug in my headphones |
| 18:45:20 | markun | but when I press stop during some sound I can hear the plop. |
| 18:46:01 | preglow | *shruggage* |
| 18:46:40 | markun | Does that sound strange? |
| 18:46:48 | preglow | yes |
| 18:47:10 | markun | I'll test some more. |
| 18:47:12 | preglow | the might very well be a plop during sound |
| 18:47:14 | preglow | try it for iriver fw |
| 18:47:19 | preglow | i suspect it's there as well |
| 18:47:26 | preglow | there should be no dc offset while audio is playing |
| 18:47:37 | preglow | after stop it's more likely |
| 18:50:07 | markun | I'm quite positive, can you try it? I think we have to reset the dac after stop or something. |
| 18:50:46 | amiconn | Maybe it's just that the dac isn't silenced at stop |
| 18:50:48 | preglow | yes, sure, i'm referring to while playing |
| 18:51:01 | preglow | dc offset after stopping isn't that surprising |
| 18:51:11 | preglow | dac is probably stuck at its last value |
| 18:52:09 | markun | In the UDA1380 datasheet there are some tips on how to avoid plops |
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| 19:15:57 | DMJC | OMG! |
| 19:16:01 | DMJC | YOU* GUYS ROCK |
| 19:16:07 | DMJC | .oGG |
| 19:16:08 | DMJC | .mp3.. |
| 19:16:14 | DMJC | W00000ooooTT |
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| 19:16:25 | preglow | omfglolmao |
| 19:16:28 | DMJC | I'll be giving you money for this |
| 19:16:36 | DMJC | finalyl working audio.. |
| 19:17:21 | preglow | :) |
| 19:17:44 | HCl | :p |
| 19:17:49 | DMJC | listening to some rammstein .oggs now |
| 19:17:50 | DMJC | heh |
| 19:17:54 | HCl | i need to get on runtime database. |
| 19:18:04 | HCl | Slasheri: awake? |
| 19:18:09 | linuxstb | Quick question - does the ci->audiobuffer_insert function take big-endian or little-endian samples? |
| 19:18:17 | HCl | or maybe preglow knows what code gets executed when you select to play a file? |
| 19:18:20 | t0mas | linuxstb: ogg? |
| 19:18:28 | simple_sample | Hello! Is it possible to replace the harddisk of the "Archos Jukebox Recorder 20"? |
| 19:18:48 | linuxstb | t0mas: I'm working on adding FLAC support to the new playback system. |
| 19:19:10 | t0mas | ah ok... then I don't know... but I guess big endian as rockbox is bigendian? |
| 19:19:41 | DMJC | it's like christmas all at once |
| 19:19:54 | DMJC | osx on x86... rockbox.. |
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| 19:20:52 | Slasheri | HCl: yes, just came to home. now eating something :) -> |
| 19:20:58 | preglow | linuxstb: big endian |
| 19:21:00 | HCl | kay |
| 19:21:12 | HCl | i was just wanting to know where i can find the code of when a song ends |
| 19:21:25 | HCl | since its easier to ask than to dig through the code |
| 19:21:34 | linuxstb | preglow: thanks. |
| 19:21:51 | preglow | Slasheri: yo, i've added wavpack codec, but rockbox still just seems to call wv2wav when i try to play it |
| 19:22:21 | Slasheri | Hmm, wv2wav? |
| 19:22:27 | Slasheri | That's really strange |
| 19:22:40 | Slasheri | check if viewers.conf has some defines about it and remove those |
| 19:23:10 | Slasheri | btw, have you added correct information to playback.c? |
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| 19:23:43 | Slasheri | You should also define wavpack file extension to probe_file_forma |
| 19:23:44 | Slasheri | t |
| 19:23:56 | simple_sample | Does nobody know it? (Is it possible to replace the harddisk of "Archos Jukebox Recorder 20"?) |
| 19:24:01 | bobTHC | !peak |
| 19:24:11 | bobTHC | sorry |
| 19:24:15 | bobTHC | :) |
| 19:24:43 | bobTHC | for sure simple_sample |
| 19:25:01 | Slasheri | HCl: Hmm, that real track end event is not still added to playback.c |
| 19:25:08 | HCl | oh. |
| 19:25:09 | HCl | okay.. |
| 19:25:15 | HCl | so i should wait till thats implemented |
| 19:25:15 | HCl | ? |
| 19:25:18 | Slasheri | It detects song changing but timing is not exact |
| 19:25:23 | HCl | mhm... |
| 19:25:24 | HCl | well |
| 19:25:25 | Slasheri | maybe, depends what you need |
| 19:25:33 | HCl | i need something that can tell me the song has ended |
| 19:25:38 | preglow | Slasheri: bah, didn't think of that ;) |
| 19:25:39 | HCl | and the absolute path |
| 19:25:41 | HCl | of what was played |
| 19:25:57 | HCl | thats all i need for the runtime database |
| 19:25:58 | Slasheri | HCl: Hmm, that absolute path stuff needs to be added |
| 19:26:02 | Slasheri | but back soon -> |
| 19:26:04 | HCl | yea, i assumed as much |
| 19:26:07 | HCl | same, i'm gonna make dinner |
| 19:26:08 | HCl | bbl |
| 19:26:08 | Slasheri | preglow :D |
| 19:26:12 | Slasheri | :) |
| 19:26:41 | preglow | Slasheri: well, ogg and mp3 is still listed there, yet they play fine |
| 19:26:48 | preglow | why shouldn't .wv as well? |
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| 19:33:06 | Hansmaulwurf | Q: is there maybe a bug that rockbox cant play a MP3 file if the file-name is too long? |
| 19:33:45 | bobTHC | everything is possible it's a CVS version |
| 19:34:56 | bobTHC | i dunno if it's already reported but now it is :) |
| 19:35:50 | amiconn | preglow: Aas you did quite some asm functions, what is the m68k convention for return values? A register? Using the stack like the parameters? |
| 19:35:56 | amiconn | *As |
| 19:36:19 | amiconn | Also, which registers are considered scratch? |
| 19:39:18 | simple_sample | @bobTHC: Thanks. |
| 19:39:21 | preglow | amiconn: d0-d1, a0-a1 is considered scratch |
| 19:39:21 | simple_sample | Bye. |
| 19:39:27 | preglow | i've never returned a value from a function before ;) |
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| 19:39:51 | preglow | but i think d0 or a0 are the return value regs |
| 19:40:13 | amiconn | preglow: 4 registers isn't much... |
| 19:40:33 | preglow | amiconn: indeed |
| 19:40:33 | amiconn | ...need to push some then. |
| 19:40:41 | preglow | amiconn: you need to push quite a lot, yes |
| 19:40:51 | preglow | in my biggest functions, i need to push everything |
| 19:41:10 | amiconn | You don't need to return anything in all your functions? |
| 19:41:25 | preglow | correct |
| 19:41:48 | preglow | i haven't done _that_ many |
| 19:41:53 | Slasheri | preglow: i don't know. What happens if you remove wv2wav.rock? |
| 19:42:51 | preglow | complains that it cant find wv2wav.rock |
| 19:43:05 | Slasheri | Hmm, what does it exactly say? |
| 19:43:34 | preglow | gimme a sec, i'm removing the entry |
| 19:43:43 | Slasheri | :) |
| 19:44:15 | preglow | doesn't do anything at all if i remove the entry |
| 19:44:33 | preglow | but yeah, i've added .wv to the extension checked |
| 19:45:00 | linuxstb | preglow: Have you added .wv to apps/tree.c ? |
| 19:45:12 | preglow | i tried, but that didn't work either |
| 19:45:19 | preglow | i think the extension list isn't big enough |
| 19:45:23 | preglow | saw a complaint about that |
| 19:46:03 | Slasheri | ah, that might be the problem. try increasing the size? |
| 19:47:59 | preglow | where do i do that? can't find any obvious defines |
| 19:48:59 | Slasheri | i don't know.. :D |
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| 19:49:19 | Slasheri | try to find what function says the warning message |
| 19:49:46 | Yokalosh | Sorry in advance for being an idiot again, but i don't really get the conditional tags in wps |
| 19:50:25 | preglow | MAX_EXTTYPES is 32 |
| 19:50:33 | preglow | and i sure as hell haven't got 32 yet |
| 19:50:34 | Yokalosh | can anyone enlighten me? |
| 19:50:41 | preglow | unless viewers.conf also populates the list, of course |
| 19:50:48 | preglow | i'll bump it up to 64 |
| 19:51:25 | preglow | Slasheri: probably should add a codecs.conf or something |
| 19:51:44 | Slasheri | preglow: yep, i have also though about that |
| 19:52:20 | HCl | back |
| 19:52:43 | HCl | Hansmaulwurf: the absolute path limit is 224, iirc |
| 19:53:10 | Hansmaulwurf | hm, i think then the problem is something other |
| 19:53:12 | preglow | Slasheri: seems to work better now, but my codec bugs, heh |
| 19:53:14 | Hansmaulwurf | maybe ID-Tag |
| 19:53:17 | Hansmaulwurf | i will test it |
| 19:53:24 | Slasheri | =) |
| 19:54:38 | Yokalosh | ciao |
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| 19:58:03 | amiconn | preglow: Found it, d0 is return value |
| 19:58:52 | preglow | amiconn: a0 if you return a pointer, i think |
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| 20:03:55 | amiconn | It's always d0 |
| 20:04:03 | amiconn | I checked disassembled rockbox |
| 20:04:07 | preglow | okies |
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| 20:05:09 | webguest40 | Hello there. I have a quick question about building rockbox for iriver. Should I be using gcc 3.4.x or 3.3.4 The wiki page mentions both! |
| 20:05:42 | preglow | 3.4 |
| 20:05:54 | MO-Pantsu | is there any chance of having a user conf for gapless playback of MP3 files? |
| 20:06:50 | webguest40 | Thanks. 3.3.4 seems to crash anyway ;-) |
| 20:07:13 | preglow | MO-Pantsu: what do you mean by user conf? |
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| 20:07:37 | MO-Pantsu | to adjust buffer/prebuffer etc |
| 20:07:52 | preglow | why do you need that? |
| 20:07:54 | preglow | gapless should just work |
| 20:08:07 | muesli- | re |
| 20:08:11 | preglow | don't use winamp as a reference for gapless playback, winamp is shit at gapless playback |
| 20:08:15 | MO-Pantsu | btw I have some Lame file mixsets that it skips too far ahead on and is not a seamless transition |
| 20:08:30 | MO-Pantsu | I find it the best actually |
| 20:08:43 | preglow | haven't seen anything that beats foobar |
| 20:08:50 | markun | me neither |
| 20:08:55 | MO-Pantsu | I have tried all the gapless plugins and foobar2k also and winamp's still has the most seamless transitions on dance mixsets |
| 20:09:14 | MO-Pantsu | foobar2k's transitions can sometimes glitch I noticed |
| 20:09:15 | HCl | isn't that cause winamp has crossfading? |
| 20:09:24 | MO-Pantsu | I don't crossfade |
| 20:09:26 | preglow | crossfading is most definitely cheating |
| 20:09:26 | HCl | mk. |
| 20:09:41 | tvelocity | why don't people just use ogg?:P |
| 20:09:54 | markun | Some people do |
| 20:10:19 | MO-Pantsu | I set winamp's DirectSound out to remove silence and buffer 2000 ms, prebuffer 500 ms and track ahead 500 ms. ALWAYS get perfect transitions |
| 20:10:30 | amiconn | There are only 2 ways how to get true gapless mp3 playback |
| 20:10:33 | MO-Pantsu | becuase most people have MP3 they download roffle |
| 20:10:34 | muesli- | they are not that popular in file sharing tools.. |
| 20:11:13 | amiconn | (1) The files need to be encoded as a consecutive set, and the split points adjusted to mp3 frame boundaries. lame −−nogap does this |
| 20:11:45 | muesli- | i have tried −−nogap in eac..but didnt work |
| 20:11:50 | MO-Pantsu | well this mixset was encoded using 3.87 beta 1 and it glitches on rockbox because rockbox jumps too far ahead into the next track |
| 20:11:54 | amiconn | (2) When the files are encoded with lame, the lame tag can tell how many samples to cut from the last frame |
| 20:12:17 | MO-Pantsu | I will test it on fb2k if you insist though to make sure it works there as a nogap fileset |
| 20:12:42 | amiconn | muesli-: −−nogap does work only if you give lame _all_ .wav files on the same command line |
| 20:12:51 | preglow | MO-Pantsu: rockbox doesn't have gapless mp3, stop mentioning it |
| 20:12:57 | amiconn | ...for obvious reasons, and that cannot work with eac |
| 20:13:15 | MO-Pantsu | I thought it did? |
| 20:13:23 | muesli- | −−preset standard −−id3v2-only −−pad-id3v2 −−tt "%t" −−ta "%a" −−tl "%g" −−ty "%y" −−tn "%n" −−tg "%m" %s %d |
| 20:13:31 | muesli- | used this setting |
| 20:13:46 | preglow | MO-Pantsu: it tries, but like you hear, it fails |
| 20:13:59 | preglow | MO-Pantsu: slasheri still doesn't know how to use the info in the lame header to make gapless playback work like it should |
| 20:14:06 | preglow | and no one has cared to update cvs to fix it |
| 20:14:09 | amiconn | If you want to use −−nogap, you need to extract to .wav with eac first, and encode all .wavs with one 'lame' command line |
| 20:14:26 | preglow | you don't want to use −−nogap unless you're on a hardware codec box anyway |
| 20:14:33 | t0mas | how "long" is one mp3 frame? (in miliseconds) |
| 20:14:53 | MO-Pantsu | preglow that is all I needed to know |
| 20:15:13 | MO-Pantsu | when you mentioned it earlier today I thought you meant ALL MP3. Not just Lame ones |
| 20:15:16 | amiconn | t0mas: Depends on the sample rate |
| 20:15:16 | preglow | t0mas: depends on the sample rate, for 44100, it's 25ms or something |
| 20:15:23 | t0mas | ghehe |
| 20:15:34 | preglow | MO-Pantsu: there is no possible way to make non-lame mp3s gapless |
| 20:15:45 | MO-Pantsu | why not? |
| 20:15:45 | amiconn | 48/44.1/32 and 24/22.05/16: 24 ms / 26.12... ms / 36 ms |
| 20:15:57 | amiconn | Double the times for 12/11.025/8 |
| 20:15:59 | t0mas | 25 ms... so the gap < 25 ms if I do it without −−nogap ? |
| 20:16:15 | preglow | MO-Pantsu: because the accurate song length isn't saved, you don't know which parts of the last frame in an mp3 contains sound that shouldn't be there |
| 20:16:35 | Slasheri | btw, if anybody has 48, 32, 22 kHz etc. mp3 or ogg files, please send |
| 20:16:41 | MO-Pantsu | I'd accept a good compromise that cheats a bit like Nullsoft's output does |
| 20:16:45 | t0mas | I can create one... |
| 20:16:59 | Slasheri | t0mas: hmm, great :) |
| 20:17:07 | t0mas | anybody using windows here? |
| 20:17:12 | odd | i am t0mas |
| 20:17:18 | t0mas | install fruityloops... and click some beats together |
| 20:17:25 | t0mas | then output as mp3 and chose 48 khz... |
| 20:17:27 | preglow | Slasheri: are you on the mailing list? |
| 20:17:34 | muesli- | http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/eac6.html |
| 20:17:35 | odd | and if i can just input on this convo, i would like to second MO-Pantsu's proposal for cheating like nullsoft |
| 20:17:42 | muesli- | there is a new beta |
| 20:17:42 | amiconn | Slasheri: I have all sorts of mp3 and mp2, a whole test set |
| 20:17:44 | tvelocity | fruity loops? yuk!:P |
| 20:17:45 | Slasheri | preglow: no i'am not. How can i join in? |
| 20:17:51 | muesli- | maybe it supports −−nogap |
| 20:17:57 | Slasheri | amiconn: cool |
| 20:18:03 | MO-Pantsu | BTW it works gapless in FB2K I just tested but FB2K still glitches slightly even on -nogap Lame MP3's |
| 20:18:05 | Slasheri | markun: thanks :) |
| 20:18:10 | preglow | Slasheri: just go www.rockbox.org and click mailing list, daniel commented on your latest patch now, check the archive |
| 20:18:12 | MO-Pantsu | which is why I switched back to Winamp |
| 20:18:18 | crashd | hehe |
| 20:18:24 | amiconn | Slasheri: All possiblke sample frequencies encoded with all possible bitrates. Everything the same song; a total of 600 MB |
| 20:18:25 | preglow | MO-Pantsu: that's impossible |
| 20:18:25 | markun | Slasheri: no problem. |
| 20:18:31 | MO-Pantsu | yes possible |
| 20:18:35 | Slasheri | preglow: ah, ok :) |
| 20:18:45 | MO-Pantsu | Unless FB2K needs something additional done in settings |
| 20:18:48 | preglow | MO-Pantsu: no, it they're −−nogap encoded, the entire last frame is filled, so there is no gap |
| 20:19:15 | MO-Pantsu | How do I know if the files are correctly -nogap? |
| 20:19:19 | preglow | you don't |
| 20:19:27 | odd | you encode them yourself ;p |
| 20:19:30 | preglow | if you don't know, why do you say you tried -nogap mp3s |
| 20:19:30 | preglow | ? |
| 20:19:41 | preglow | very few people encode with -nogap |
| 20:19:52 | MO-Pantsu | I think I tested this myself a while back. I encoded myself with -nogap and stil had the same issue |
| 20:19:54 | markun | Slasheri: I also have some Autechre music in 48kHz for you if you want. |
| 20:20:00 | t0mas | preglow: loads do it... but encode just 1 file with it... and that doesn't work |
| 20:20:00 | MO-Pantsu | FB2K just does not cut it |
| 20:20:10 | preglow | MO-Pantsu: encoding correctly with nogap is a bit tricky, you need to pass lame ALL your wav files |
| 20:20:24 | MO-Pantsu | I do that in EAC |
| 20:20:35 | amiconn | Slasheri: I used it for analysing the MAS limitations described here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MasLimitations |
| 20:20:39 | Slasheri | markun: everything is welcome. I just want to test different sample rates switching with as many sample rates as possible |
| 20:20:41 | preglow | t0mas: well, they should stop, then ;) using the ordininary info header is better than splicing wav data around in the mp3s |
| 20:20:47 | MO-Pantsu | I am gonna do one now just to get it off my chest |
| 20:21:05 | preglow | Slasheri: rockbox doesn't support 48/24/etc khz sample rates |
| 20:21:11 | preglow | Slasheri: they need resampling |
| 20:21:14 | odd | does .ogg not use frames like mp3 does? |
| 20:21:17 | preglow | odd: yes |
| 20:21:23 | odd | yay for ogg :D |
| 20:21:24 | preglow | odd: but vorbis saves the exact song length |
| 20:21:31 | odd | ah, i see |
| 20:21:39 | tvelocity | vorbis rulez |
| 20:21:43 | preglow | MO-Pantsu: fb2k does very much cut it |
| 20:21:47 | Slasheri | preglow: is that sure? rockbox or uda doesn't support them? |
| 20:21:57 | tvelocity | the way you can have multiple streams in one file... it's so elegant! |
| 20:21:57 | preglow | MO-Pantsu: i suspect you're doing something wrong, the people who use fb2k are _very_ demanding when it comes to this |
| 20:22:04 | preglow | almost outright anal |
| 20:22:12 | odd | i ought to make some stickers that advertise ogg vorbis... mp3 must be destroyed |
| 20:22:18 | preglow | Slasheri: uda supports them, but there's a problem somewhere |
| 20:22:27 | MO-Pantsu | I am doing an EAC rip of the same mixset with the -nogap added in EAC |
| 20:22:27 | preglow | Slasheri: even irivers firmware resamples 48khz files to 44.1 |
| 20:22:31 | Slasheri | preglow: Hmm, that needs to be fixed |
| 20:22:35 | Slasheri | interesting.. |
| 20:22:41 | preglow | Slasheri: actually, it resamples _everything_ to 44.1, i think |
| 20:22:46 | preglow | Slasheri: can't be fixed, it's a hardware limitation |
| 20:22:53 | Slasheri | ok :/ |
| 20:22:57 | preglow | we need to resample |
| 20:23:03 | preglow | do some cheap linear interpolation, or something |
| 20:23:09 | preglow | real resampling is too heavy |
| 20:23:36 | amiconn | MO-Pantsu: −−nogap won't work directly within eac |
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| 20:24:01 | preglow | MO-Pantsu: using −−nogap is a waste of time, i can guarantee you fb2k wont glitch with −−nogap |
| 20:24:03 | amiconn | It's described in the lame docs |
| 20:24:07 | preglow | _nothing_ should glitch with nogap |
| 20:24:49 | markun | Slasheri: I think the audio should be muted after you press stop. Should it be done in dma_stop? |
| 20:24:54 | MO-Pantsu | it glitches for me |
| 20:25:20 | amiconn | MO-Pantsu: [20:25:39] <amiconn> MO-Pantsu: −−nogap won't work directly within eac |
| 20:25:29 | preglow | where does DEBUGF messages end up? |
| 20:25:30 | MO-Pantsu | amiconn I just noticed |
| 20:25:35 | MO-Pantsu | that sucks |
| 20:25:52 | MO-Pantsu | it errors when you add it as an option to the options line of Lame |
| 20:25:56 | preglow | MO-Pantsu: not really, you don't need −−nogap unless you use mp3 players with hardware decoders |
| 20:26:03 | Slasheri | markun: Hmm, maybe. Just remember to add unmute too :) |
| 20:26:19 | t0mas | preglow: debugf is nothing in a device build |
| 20:26:23 | preglow | ouch |
| 20:26:26 | t0mas | in simulator you get the info in console |
| 20:26:35 | MO-Pantsu | so why is fb2k glitching? |
| 20:26:36 | t0mas | that's why Bagder created logf |
| 20:26:38 | preglow | then someone needs to add logf to the plugin api |
| 20:26:46 | amiconn | preglow: DEBUGF() is nonvoid only for debug builds, or in the simulator |
| 20:26:47 | t0mas | preglow: no |
| 20:26:59 | * | tvelocity goodnightz everyone |
| 20:27:04 | preglow | t0mas: why not? |
| 20:27:05 | t0mas | preglow: then it will give errors when you compile without it |
| 20:27:14 | preglow | so no debugging in plugins? |
| 20:27:14 | t0mas | check IRC logs... or ask Bagder |
| 20:27:16 | t0mas | I wanted to add it to |
| 20:27:19 | t0mas | *too |
| 20:27:33 | markun | Slasheri: Maybe we could even power-down the dac when it's stopped to save some power |
| 20:27:36 | t0mas | preglow: Bagder is looking for some good solution to it... |
| 20:27:58 | preglow | it's should be very easy, just add a wrapper that's always compiled in, but does nothing if logf support isn't added |
| 20:28:08 | preglow | plugin_logf() or whatever |
| 20:28:09 | t0mas | I proposed that too |
| 20:28:11 | MO-Pantsu | btw my soundcard has no DirectSound hardware mixing |
| 20:28:20 | t0mas | but that'll take resources |
| 20:28:21 | MO-Pantsu | probably why it glitches |
| 20:28:29 | preglow | MO-Pantsu: i sincerely doubt it |
| 20:28:37 | Slasheri | markun: that's good idea. At least it would make sure there remains no dc offset after audio stop |
| 20:28:45 | * | t0mas just has crossfade enabled in amarok... |
| 20:28:50 | t0mas | for 1 sec... |
| 20:30:00 | MO-Pantsu | but anyhow it's not FB2K I am interested in so I don't know why I am bothering testing that |
| 20:30:05 | markun | Slasheri: Digital mute should also take care of that. Don't know if we should mute during pause.. |
| 20:33:05 | MO-Pantsu | oh well it was either the ripping or that beta version of Lame but you are correct. Just ripped the same 2 tracks using release version of Lame and no gap in FB2K |
| 20:33:33 | MO-Pantsu | But I still have a lot of Non-Lame tracks that could do with some cheating gapless method |
| 20:34:00 | HCl | don't forget an option to insert gaps on demand.. |
| 20:34:07 | HCl | :/ |
| 20:34:10 | MO-Pantsu | Gapless is all I am interested in on Rockbox. Not even bothered about on the fly playlists or games or anything else. |
| 20:34:28 | * | HCl mostly in on the fly playlists |
| 20:34:45 | MO-Pantsu | I listen to a lot of dance and live stuff |
| 20:35:02 | HCl | i listen to so much different stuff that i almost never know what to listen to |
| 20:35:14 | HCl | searchengine + runtimedatabase will be able to generate me playlists of stuff to listen to |
| 20:36:53 | MO-Pantsu | Gonna rip that entire album again just to see how it sound on Rockbox anyhow with the correct Lame headers |
| 20:37:21 | markun | MO-Pantsu: You can try ripping to ogg if you want to have gapless now |
| 20:37:36 | MO-Pantsu | I know but most of my stuff is MP3 |
| 20:37:47 | MO-Pantsu | I don't 'own' most of my collection ;) |
| 20:38:10 | MO-Pantsu | and no way am I transcoding it to Ogg and losing quality |
| 20:38:21 | markun | MO-Pantsu: I meant just for now because gapless mp3 is not supported. |
| 20:38:25 | MO-Pantsu | besides MP3 to Ogg won't work for gapless |
| 20:38:38 | markun | MO-Pantsu: I thought you wanted to re-rip? |
| 20:38:43 | amiconn | Slasheri: Could you add .mp2 extension as well? |
| 20:38:45 | MO-Pantsu | No |
| 20:39:00 | MO-Pantsu | only re-ripping this particular mixset to test |
| 20:39:05 | preglow | i think we need a codecs.conf soon :] |
| 20:39:23 | MO-Pantsu | I don't have to re-rip anything to get seamless playback of any filetype in winamp |
| 20:39:27 | Slasheri | amiconn: ah, i will do that :) |
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| 20:39:39 | markun | MO-Pantsu: Than just be patient. |
| 20:39:49 | MO-Pantsu | of course |
| 20:39:51 | amiconn | Is there such thing as an .mp1 extension? |
| 20:39:59 | preglow | yes |
| 20:40:09 | preglow | you dont see it often, though |
| 20:40:16 | MO-Pantsu | I was just pointing stuff out and preglow thought he was steering me right. which he was but only for Lame :) |
| 20:41:04 | preglow | everybody with at least half a brain uses lame |
| 20:41:19 | MO-Pantsu | yes but I have a lot of stuff from before Lame |
| 20:42:05 | * | preglow huggles vorbis |
| 20:42:15 | MO-Pantsu | and that needs some magic playback trickery to get gapless. The Archos code. What does that do to get gapless? Does it only support Lame gapless? |
| 20:42:24 | preglow | it doesn't do gapless |
| 20:42:30 | preglow | the only gapless archos can do is −−nogap encodes |
| 20:42:38 | preglow | it doesn't support lame gapless |
| 20:42:42 | MO-Pantsu | oh I was mislead by others then |
| 20:42:58 | preglow | but yes |
| 20:43:06 | preglow | the _only_ proper gapless is lame info header gapless |
| 20:43:22 | preglow | everything else is a hack |
| 20:43:23 | MO-Pantsu | I am going to type this all up on misticriver so people don't get confused. a lot of fud going around |
| 20:43:28 | preglow | heh |
| 20:43:31 | preglow | probably |
| 20:43:47 | MO-Pantsu | EVERYONE there thinks gapless is gapless for everything MP3 |
| 20:44:25 | HCl | i must be one of the few people completely uninterested in gapless |
| 20:44:28 | HCl | i *want* gaps :P |
| 20:44:55 | thegeek | it's only needed when you have albums that are meant to be played continously |
| 20:45:00 | HCl | mhm |
| 20:45:05 | thegeek | say, a recording of a live concert |
| 20:45:05 | HCl | which i barely have |
| 20:45:09 | HCl | and even then |
| 20:45:11 | HCl | i couldn't care less |
| 20:45:13 | HCl | about gaps |
| 20:45:13 | thegeek | I only have a few |
| 20:45:17 | thegeek | same here |
| 20:45:18 | HCl | i have maybe 2 |
| 20:45:22 | thegeek | I don't really care all that much |
| 20:45:32 | thegeek | certainly get what the _huge_ fuss is about;) |
| 20:45:37 | HCl | :p |
| 20:45:41 | preglow | half of my music is supposed to be played gapless |
| 20:45:43 | linuxstb | I've sort-of got a codecflac.c working, but the WPS screen isn't coming up when the track is playing... |
| 20:45:54 | preglow | linuxstb: wps doesn't work for anything but mp3 |
| 20:46:09 | linuxstb | OK. Should I commit it to CVS then. |
| 20:46:15 | preglow | if it works, then hell yes |
| 20:47:36 | linuxstb | I think it's working (I'm listening to a track now). I'll commit it. |
| 20:48:23 | zezayer_away | linuxstb: am i hearing u rite :D |
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| 20:49:03 | MO-Pantsu | A big portion of my albums are DJ mixes |
| 20:49:16 | preglow | most of my mixes are just one mp3 |
| 20:49:39 | MO-Pantsu | I like them that way but only for gapless. I would prefer CUE support for those in Rockbox ;) |
| 20:49:46 | MO-Pantsu | so you can skip tracks |
| 20:49:50 | preglow | yeah |
| 20:50:15 | preglow | i've got a couple of mixes on cd, though, but i rip to vorbis, so... |
| 20:50:31 | linuxstb | zezayer_away: it's even more buggy than MP3/OGG, but it's sort-of working. Congratulations go to whoever optimised it. |
| 20:51:01 | preglow | not much optimising in libflac apart from the coldfire.S i did |
| 20:51:08 | preglow | it doesn't even use iram |
| 20:51:20 | preglow | it's coded so embedded unfriendly it's almost a pain |
| 20:54:54 | preglow | why does codecflac.c credit zagor? :PP |
| 20:55:07 | linuxstb | OK, it's in CVS now. But I think it's stopping decoding when the memory buffer is initially depleted - is that my bug or a limitation of the playback system? |
| 20:55:35 | preglow | dunno |
| 20:56:09 | Slasheri | linuxstb: Hmm, the playback system should keep buffer always filled |
| 20:56:22 | Slasheri | Just remember not to request too large chunk size |
| 20:56:32 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Can you have a quick look at my code? |
| 20:56:37 | Slasheri | linuxstb: I will |
| 20:57:21 | linuxstb | The problem will be in the read callback - libFLAC asks for "bytes" bytes of data, and my read callback tries to give it, and if not, returns how many bytes were actually available. |
| 20:58:27 | Slasheri | Hmm, that might not be good idea to use seekable flac because if the whole song can't fit into memory, then seeking backwards is not possible when buffer is being refilled |
| 20:59:14 | Slasheri | I think that might be the problem |
| 20:59:24 | Slasheri | You should try streaming flac if possible |
| 20:59:51 | Slasheri | Ah, hmm |
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| 21:00:07 | linuxstb | I don't think the seek callbacks are ever actually called, so hopefully it's not a problem. |
| 21:00:17 | Slasheri | i hope too :) |
| 21:00:37 | Hansmaulwurf | whoops, "repeat one song" crashed my H120 |
| 21:00:42 | linuxstb | But we do need to support seeking in the future. |
| 21:00:56 | Slasheri | Hmm, i have to test the codec also. At least the blocksize 4608 is not too large |
| 21:01:46 | Slasheri | Hansmaulwurf: If you find a bug, please tell what version you was using and how the problem can be reproduced |
| 21:01:56 | Hansmaulwurf | k |
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| 21:03:32 | webguest40 | hi everyone.. just curious, can the iriver support crossfading? |
| 21:03:52 | webguest40 | I know it says it can't for archos, but that has its own MAS chip for decoding |
| 21:04:13 | webguest40 | is it possible to load two codecs in iriver and crossfade between the two? |
| 21:04:52 | preglow | yes |
| 21:04:55 | preglow | if we try hard enoug |
| 21:04:56 | preglow | h |
| 21:05:27 | webguest40 | lol... excellent! keep on trying! :) |
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| 21:05:49 | Hansmaulwurf | ah ein deutscher |
| 21:06:06 | preglow | please don't stop speaking english |
| 21:06:29 | Hansmaulwurf | yeah |
| 21:06:30 | Hansmaulwurf | ;) |
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| 21:07:06 | HCl | YAY! |
| 21:07:12 | webguest40 | Ich bin im schuele ein bissen Deutsch lernenen :) |
| 21:07:13 | HCl | the xbox pal version of san andreas is out :) |
| 21:07:15 | webguest40 | I think I butchered that... |
| 21:07:56 | niobos | HCl: I read the perl code, and still have a problem: |
| 21:08:16 | HCl | m? |
| 21:08:16 | niobos | When I have 2 files, 1 with artist "" and 1 with artist "something" |
| 21:08:37 | niobos | they'll both map to the first artist-entry = "something" |
| 21:08:42 | HCl | O.o.. |
| 21:08:45 | HCl | how do you manage that? |
| 21:08:48 | niobos | so you'll confuse "" with "something" |
| 21:08:54 | HCl | artist "" needs to be "<no artist tag>" |
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| 21:09:08 | niobos | in the perl-implementation that is currently in CVS, it's "" |
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| 21:09:18 | * | HCl checks |
| 21:09:40 | HCl | nuhuh |
| 21:09:41 | HCl | # fallback names |
| 21:09:41 | HCl | $$id3{'ARTIST'} = "<no artist tag>" if ($$id3{'ARTIST'} eq ""); |
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| 21:10:23 | niobos | I know, read that too |
| 21:10:28 | niobos | but he doesn't do it... |
| 21:10:32 | linuxstb | Why does the WPS screen only work for MP3? Do I need to fill some structure with info about the FLAC file or is it not that simple? |
| 21:10:46 | preglow | linuxstb: it hasn't been adapted yet |
| 21:11:30 | markun | linuxstb: after your latest commit I get "Extension array full" and rockbox doesn't respond anymore. |
| 21:12:17 | MO-Pantsu | anyone know anything about EAC? I don't have a drop down option to compress to Ogg Vorbis |
| 21:12:24 | preglow | you didn't increase the extension array size? |
| 21:12:36 | linuxstb | Is that #MAX_EXTTYPES ? |
| 21:12:47 | preglow | yes |
| 21:12:49 | preglow | but yo |
| 21:12:54 | preglow | wrap an ifdef around it |
| 21:12:58 | preglow | dont increasie it for achos |
| 21:12:59 | preglow | archos |
| 21:13:12 | linuxstb | Do you have a version you can commit? |
| 21:14:17 | preglow | no |
| 21:15:10 | linuxstb | OK, so I'll add #ifdef CONFIG_HWCODEC == MASNONE and increase it to 64? |
| 21:15:46 | preglow | sounds good |
| 21:17:04 | amiconn | The mas has nothing to do with the # of extensions |
| 21:17:36 | preglow | players with hardware codecs wont need so large an extension array |
| 21:17:39 | linuxstb | amiconn: That's how it's done in tree.c |
| 21:17:41 | preglow | since they can't load very many files |
| 21:17:55 | linuxstb | Software codecs -> lots more extensions |
| 21:18:22 | amiconn | hmm |
| 21:18:53 | linuxstb | I'm happy to do something else though... |
| 21:18:58 | [solid] | oh boy oh boy oh boy flac is sooooo working xD |
| 21:19:11 | [solid] | i'm senfing all my love to you guys :D |
| 21:19:14 | [solid] | sending* |
| 21:19:25 | * | linuxstb ducks |
| 21:20:08 | Slasheri | Hmm, it's even not necessary to load to codecs same time to get crossfading. Only both codecs should run fast enough and even with the current implementatio, i think that crossfading is possible |
| 21:20:14 | Slasheri | Maybe i should try that some day :) |
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| 21:20:35 | preglow | the plan isn't to run them at the same time, no |
| 21:21:07 | linuxstb | amiconn: any better ideas for deciding when to increas MAX_EXTTYPES ? |
| 21:21:34 | Slasheri | in fact i think that i will try crossfading right now. But some software mixer code should be written before that |
| 21:21:45 | amiconn | Loading one after the other will limit the cross-fade time, but other than that, would be the cleaner solution |
| 21:22:09 | preglow | loading them at the same time will require codec slots |
| 21:22:34 | amiconn | Apart from that, we should probably be able to run 2 codecs at once (thinking voice ui here) |
| 21:22:35 | HCl | ouch. |
| 21:22:54 | Slasheri | amiconn: Still the cross-fade time will be around 6s with 1 MiB audio buffer and 44.1 kHz samplerate |
| 21:23:28 | amiconn | Anyway, I don't care about crossfade at all |
| 21:24:01 | Slasheri | amiconn: Hmm.. Unless voice ui is done in wav format |
| 21:24:11 | amiconn | Forget .wav here |
| 21:24:15 | Slasheri | ok =) |
| 21:24:37 | amiconn | The voice file is ~1.5 MB on archos, and that's with 12 kHz sample rate and tight vbr compressin |
| 21:25:27 | Slasheri | ah yes, the whole while should be loaded into memory? |
| 21:25:41 | amiconn | Yes |
| 21:25:51 | Slasheri | ok, then compression will be necessary |
| 21:26:23 | amiconn | Preferably we would set the buffer mem aside on iriver, in order to avoid reloads |
| 21:26:56 | amiconn | Of course this would then be done only if voice ui is enabled |
| 21:27:44 | t0mas | oh... about mem... |
| 21:27:57 | t0mas | amiconn? where should I allocate a buffer for graphics on the wps? |
| 21:28:09 | t0mas | (2560 bytes, so I guess not on stack?) |
| 21:28:20 | t0mas | outside function? as a static? |
| 21:28:50 | amiconn | Think so (but I still don't like that idea much...) |
| 21:28:52 | Slasheri | t0mas: btw, have you thinked about implementing wps to remote control? That would be really nice :) |
| 21:29:05 | niobos | HCl: I tried it again: the perl version won't write <no artist tag> into the file... I'm no Perl specialist, so I haven't found the problem yet |
| 21:29:13 | HCl | kay |
| 21:29:16 | HCl | the perl version is crappy anyways. |
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| 21:29:29 | niobos | use your java as definition? |
| 21:29:38 | HCl | yea, heh. |
| 21:29:48 | HCl | i can't even read the perl version properly |
| 21:30:50 | * | niobos is releived that it isn't only him... |
| 21:31:15 | niobos | how do I have to run your java-rhing again? |
| 21:31:35 | belgarath_the_so | has anybody had difficulty using the id3 database with a newer version of the rockbox firmware? |
| 21:31:36 | HCl | java -jar SongDB.jar |
| 21:31:52 | t0mas | Slasheri: erm |
| 21:31:56 | HCl | belgarath_the_so: format was updated. why? |
| 21:32:00 | t0mas | no... I haven't |
| 21:32:09 | t0mas | but it shouldn't be verry difficult... I guess? |
| 21:32:30 | niobos | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: SongDB (Unsupported major.minor version 49.0) |
| 21:32:37 | belgarath_the_so | it gives me an error message about it when I start up |
| 21:32:38 | Slasheri | t0mas: ok, it would be nice to have at least remote buttons (volume and skip track) working :) |
| 21:32:43 | HCl | then its not recompiled for 1.4 properly, as i suspected |
| 21:32:56 | t0mas | Slasheri: the buttons are your problem :) |
| 21:32:58 | niobos | how do I do that? |
| 21:32:59 | belgarath_the_so | something like "version 2 db not supported" |
| 21:33:00 | * | amiconn wonders why the cpu is boosted right after boot |
| 21:33:01 | Slasheri | :D |
| 21:33:05 | HCl | unpack the .jar |
| 21:33:08 | niobos | done |
| 21:33:18 | HCl | then javac -cp . `find -name '*.java'` |
| 21:33:22 | t0mas | Slasheri: or can I edit the patch? |
| 21:33:26 | t0mas | in cvs to add the remote buttons? |
| 21:33:30 | HCl | you'll most likely get some assert errors |
| 21:33:53 | niobos | what's the -cp? he doesn't recognize it |
| 21:33:56 | Slasheri | t0mas: of course you can, just edit and commit :) |
| 21:33:57 | HCl | classpath |
| 21:34:11 | HCl | what odd java compiler do you have that it doesn't recognise that o_o |
| 21:34:42 | niobos | donno... |
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| 21:34:52 | niobos | -classpath <path> Specify where to find user class files |
| 21:34:59 | HCl | use that |
| 21:35:00 | HCl | instead |
| 21:35:12 | amiconn | Is there a reason for immediately boosting the cpu? |
| 21:35:23 | niobos | He complains about assert() things.. I'll remove them |
| 21:35:34 | Slasheri | amiconn: where? |
| 21:35:49 | amiconn | Directly after boot the boost count is 1 |
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| 21:36:01 | Slasheri | Hmm.. |
| 21:36:36 | Slasheri | That's not good |
| 21:37:02 | belgarath_the_so | i extracted the song db.jar and have downloaded a java compiler, what do I need to do now? |
| 21:37:14 | [solid] | hm... i might have found a bug in flac playback, it seems it won't play the next track at all... doing some more testing now |
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| 21:38:55 | linuxstb | [solid]: Yes, I'm aware of that - I'm looking at it now. You just need to move the joystick right to skip to the next track. |
| 21:39:24 | [solid] | oh, ok |
| 21:39:36 | HCl | belgarath_the_so: you neither need to extract it, nor get a java compiler. |
| 21:39:43 | HCl | just do java -jar SongDB.jar |
| 21:39:45 | belgarath_the_so | oh |
| 21:40:02 | niobos | HCl: got it working, but still have (yet another) question: |
| 21:40:03 | HCl | at the moment you need java 1.5 |
| 21:40:03 | belgarath_the_so | what program would I do that with? |
| 21:40:09 | HCl | niobos: can you put the recompiled version on wiki/ |
| 21:40:10 | belgarath_the_so | ok |
| 21:40:13 | belgarath_the_so | thx |
| 21:40:17 | HCl | just the java runtime environment |
| 21:40:29 | niobos | shouldn't <no artist tag> be sorted before all the rest? |
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| 21:40:38 | HCl | yea, its one of the issues with the java version so far. |
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| 21:40:51 | HCl | i'll fix it soonish |
| 21:40:54 | HCl | its an very easy fix. |
| 21:40:55 | niobos | np, it's just that I implement it the good way |
| 21:41:01 | HCl | mmm? |
| 21:41:15 | niobos | well, do the sorting with <notag> first |
| 21:41:26 | HCl | m? |
| 21:41:28 | niobos | isn't hard, but it's easyer when you know what to do |
| 21:41:30 | HCl | what do you mean? |
| 21:41:44 | HCl | i'm just gonna adjust the compareTo()'s to make < go before any other char |
| 21:42:07 | niobos | well, I could fill in "<no tag>" first, and sort; or I could fill in "" first and sort and fill "<notag>" later |
| 21:42:08 | t0mas | Slasheri: you have some main loop where you do all messages and keys right? |
| 21:42:15 | HCl | ah.. |
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| 21:42:37 | HCl | well, you can do it whatever the way you want it, i prefer to just change the sorting criteria in my java version |
| 21:42:47 | niobos | since if someone is foolish enough to tag his file with the artist "<no artist tag>" that should be sorted in between... |
| 21:42:59 | niobos | k, thx |
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| 21:45:41 | * | amiconn needs to get familiar with coldfire asm |
| 21:46:03 | preglow | amiconn: shoot if you've got any questions, i've picked up one or two things |
| 21:46:05 | amiconn | My first try on memset() already runs faster than the C version |
| 21:46:17 | [solid] | :D |
| 21:46:21 | [solid] | nice one that |
| 21:46:44 | amiconn | ...even though I was lazy and do write unaligned longs |
| 21:47:02 | amiconn | (wanted to see whether this really does perform like the datasheet says - it does) |
| 21:47:31 | niobos | HCl: am I right about the dir-is-album-... : |
| 21:47:45 | HCl | probably not, cause you say |
| 21:47:47 | HCl | -... |
| 21:47:49 | HCl | and they're *not* the same |
| 21:47:58 | amiconn | preglow: It's just that I need to learn which instructions are there, what their restrictions and execution times are etc |
| 21:48:02 | niobos | can I complete my senteces? |
| 21:48:05 | HCl | ofcourse |
| 21:48:07 | HCl | :x |
| 21:48:38 | niobos | dia: when set, all files in a dir are considered to be the same album; take the first tag as album name |
| 21:48:45 | mirak | isn't it frustrating to do constrained programming ? :D |
| 21:48:51 | mirak | we tend to be used to have a lot of power |
| 21:48:53 | HCl | pretty much, yes. |
| 21:48:56 | niobos | dian: when no album tag is found, use the directory as it |
| 21:48:58 | [solid] | btw, is anyone working on wps currently? (ie support for formats other than mp3, esp since flac and ogg vorbis you basically the same system) |
| 21:49:04 | HCl | use the directory name as album tag |
| 21:49:05 | HCl | yea |
| 21:49:06 | [solid] | s/you/use/ |
| 21:49:25 | * | niobos is pround of himself to finaly, after 2 hours, get the concept |
| 21:49:50 | preglow | amiconn: it's pretty easy, the timing almost consistenly depends on the addressing mode you use |
| 21:49:54 | amiconn | mirak: Wasting resources is never desirable, even with the fastest processor |
| 21:50:14 | HCl | amen. |
| 21:50:18 | HCl | microsoft could learn from taht. |
| 21:50:20 | HCl | that* |
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| 21:50:52 | mirak | sun also |
| 21:51:03 | mirak | though java is not that bad now |
| 21:51:21 | mirak | but that's heavy |
| 21:51:27 | t0mas | <hilight> Slasheri :) |
| 21:51:27 | mirak | and modularity is wanted first |
| 21:52:04 | Slasheri | t0mas :D |
| 21:52:10 | t0mas | saw my question? |
| 21:52:14 | Slasheri | checking |
| 21:52:14 | amiconn | preglow: There is a table of execution times in one of the datasheets, but with coldfire there are a lot more factors to take into account that aren't there for SH |
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| 21:52:53 | t0mas | Slasheri: where do you handle the track change? you handle the buttons yourself? or does rockbox do that somewhere else? |
| 21:52:59 | Slasheri | t0mas: Hmm, i don't control the keys at all (keys are controlled by wps itself or something like that) |
| 21:53:06 | t0mas | hmz... |
| 21:53:07 | amiconn | ...like a lot more addressing modes, variable instruction length, instruction cache, more situations influencing the pipeline etc |
| 21:53:10 | t0mas | never saw that code... |
| 21:53:12 | Slasheri | rockbox does that |
| 21:53:17 | t0mas | shit |
| 21:53:21 | Slasheri | :/ |
| 21:53:21 | t0mas | searching time then :) |
| 21:53:25 | Slasheri | :D |
| 21:54:20 | preglow | amiconn: the addressing mode used is also consistent with regards to instruction size |
| 21:54:57 | amiconn | Yes... but it's a thing that simply doesn't exist in SH asm |
| 21:55:11 | amiconn | All sh instructions are 16 bits |
| 21:55:12 | t0mas | Slasheri: what function is called in your playback.c to change track? |
| 21:55:21 | t0mas | (so I can search from where that's done) |
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| 21:55:50 | Slasheri | t0mas: it depends, normally codec_request_next_track_callback in playback.c |
| 21:56:07 | preglow | amiconn: use postincrement or predecrement addressing as often as possible |
| 21:56:13 | preglow | all other addressing modes add sixteen bits |
| 21:56:14 | amiconn | preglow: I already had 1 encounter with cache and pieline effect: |
| 21:56:16 | t0mas | Slasheri: ok, tnx |
| 21:56:22 | amiconn | *pipeline |
| 21:56:24 | Slasheri | t0mas: you really want to enable logf while listening to songs |
| 21:56:37 | belgarath_the_so | sorry about this but I am in command prompt and as HCl suggested I typed java -jar SongDB.jar - what do I need to do now? |
| 21:56:52 | amiconn | ...my memset() execution times are _exactly_ identical for filling 0 and 1 byte |
| 21:56:59 | linuxstb | Well, FLAC playback is nice and gapless :-). |
| 21:57:26 | [solid] | linuxstb: can't wait to test the hell out of it :o) |
| 21:57:55 | linuxstb | Slasheri: How should I detect end of stream when calling ci->read_filebuf ? |
| 21:58:09 | HCl | it gives a clear usage. |
| 21:58:12 | preglow | amiconn: coldfire doesn't have much of a pipeline |
| 21:58:34 | Slasheri | linuxstb: it will return 0 bytes as size |
| 21:58:35 | t0mas | Slasheri: found it |
| 21:58:38 | t0mas | it's done in wps code |
| 21:58:44 | Slasheri | t0mas: ah :) |
| 21:58:59 | amiconn | preglow: I think there must be a pipeline. Even SH1 has a 5-staged pipeline |
| 21:59:15 | preglow | amiconn: like i said, not much of a pipeline |
| 21:59:15 | linuxstb | Slasheri: OK, that's what I am testing at the moment. I'll commit it. |
| 21:59:23 | Slasheri | great :) |
| 21:59:23 | belgarath_the_so | i have a list of options such as [−−<strip directory>] |
| 21:59:30 | preglow | amiconn: i think they would have mentioned a pipeline in their docs |
| 21:59:38 | preglow | amiconn: and i can't remember reading about any pipeline |
| 21:59:40 | t0mas | hm... general question... when I switch on a bitmask (like 1000) does that match case 1011 too? |
| 21:59:50 | HCl | yes. they're all in standard commandline options format... |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:01 | preglow | amiconn: probably has a pipeline, yes, but i don't think you need to think much about it |
| 22:00:01 | HCl | in case you're unfamiliar with it. [] is optional, < > is mandatory |
| 22:00:03 | t0mas | oh stupid... ofcourse it doesn't |
| 22:00:24 | belgarath_the_so | i'm really sorry but could you tell me what to type because it keeps saying file not recognised |
| 22:00:36 | HCl | file not recognised? |
| 22:00:40 | belgarath_the_so | or cannot find specified file |
| 22:00:50 | HCl | java -jar SongDB.jar <whatever your path to your music files is> |
| 22:00:59 | belgarath_the_so | oh.... |
| 22:01:23 | amiconn | preglow: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/MCF5249UM.pdf page 34: "The ColdFire processor Version 2 core consists of two independent, decoupled pipeline structures..." |
| 22:01:37 | belgarath_the_so | ok thx a lot its working now... |
| 22:03:28 | preglow | amiconn: don't think it's very deep, though |
| 22:03:40 | Slasheri | linuxstb: btw, you should place next_track: before codec_init so all dynamically allocated memory will be freed |
| 22:04:07 | Slasheri | That was a problem with vorbis and caused eventually memory overflow to the file buffer |
| 22:05:30 | belgarath_the_so | what do I do once all of the albums have been shown on the screen (do you have to save it or something?) |
| 22:06:17 | belgarath_the_so | because I restarted rockbox and the id3 database didn't show up |
| 22:06:26 | HCl | there's a howto on the wiki.. |
| 22:06:39 | belgarath_the_so | ok |
| 22:06:41 | belgarath_the_so | sorry |
| 22:06:46 | HCl | its okay |
| 22:07:12 | linuxstb | Slasheri: I've already changed that. It will be in my next commit. |
| 22:07:50 | Slasheri | ok :) |
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| 22:10:15 | linuxstb | I've just committed some fixes for codecflac - it should be working much better now. |
| 22:10:30 | linuxstb | Any comments/fixes welcome :-) |
| 22:11:14 | Slasheri | =) |
| 22:11:23 | Slasheri | I think i should start encoding more albums to flac :) |
| 22:11:44 | ehntoo | Slasheri, I think I need to do the same |
| 22:12:25 | linuxstb | FLAC probably uses more battery though. |
| 22:12:38 | [solid] | i already have been using my iriver as a storage place for some of my flac's so i'll be testing as soon as it builds.. |
| 22:12:45 | preglow | there's room for much, much optimisation in flac |
| 22:13:05 | [solid] | it's great that they are no longer useless sitting there |
| 22:13:27 | [solid] | preglow: but it will always use a lot more battery power because of the size, no? |
| 22:13:37 | preglow | yeah |
| 22:14:00 | linuxstb | Everything I've tried seems to play in realtime though. That's the biggest hurdle overcome. |
| 22:14:05 | ehntoo | I don't worry about battery life... I'm never away from the house for more than, say 10 hours |
| 22:14:55 | [solid] | linuxstb: i have only max compression (-8) flac's and it's all great:D |
| 22:15:05 | belgarath_the_so | HCl: I'm really sorry and really don't want to waste your time but I looked on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DatabaseV2 and couldn't find anything to solve my problem |
| 22:15:15 | HCl | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagDatabase |
| 22:15:19 | linuxstb | [solid]: I don't think the compression rate affects the decoding time, only the encoding time. |
| 22:15:21 | belgarath_the_so | that too |
| 22:15:27 | belgarath_the_so | i have looked |
| 22:15:42 | HCl | yea, i guess you're right, it needs updating |
| 22:15:51 | HCl | anyways, move the rockbox.id3db to .rockbox folder |
| 22:15:54 | HCl | afk now |
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| 22:16:09 | belgarath_the_so | ok thx |
| 22:16:40 | [solid] | linuxstb: but at lower compression levels it uses less complicated maths, doesn't this affect it? |
| 22:16:48 | t0mas | amiconn? |
| 22:17:23 | t0mas | according to cvs annotate... |
| 22:17:23 | t0mas | you added the #define WPS_RC_NEXT lines to wps.c |
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| 22:17:24 | t0mas | RC = remote controller here? |
| 22:17:34 | t0mas | but they're never used in the file... just defined... |
| 22:18:24 | t0mas | oh wait |
| 22:18:29 | linuxstb | [solid]: I think you're right - it's probably the "-l" option that increases the decoding time. -8 implies "-l 12". But anyway, Rockbox seems to cope :-). |
| 22:18:30 | t0mas | never mind... found them :) |
| 22:19:04 | preglow | compression rate affects decoding time |
| 22:19:25 | preglow | it uses higher order lpc, and i've just coded a generic decoder loop for that |
| 22:19:29 | preglow | though it should be pretty fast |
| 22:20:22 | [solid] | linuxstb: yeah there was this issue with some maudio players that couldn't cope with levels over -3 or something like that. i'm listening to flac on my h120 as we're speaking...:) |
| 22:20:30 | [solid] | it's just so cool :D |
| 22:20:58 | [solid] | wee and the build is done |
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| 22:25:05 | [solid] | hmmm... it told me 'extension array full' on startup now |
| 22:25:08 | [solid] | but it's working |
| 22:25:40 | linuxstb | [solid]: You need to update the apps/filetypes.c file from CVS. |
| 22:25:56 | [solid] | i just fetched a daily build o_O |
| 22:26:15 | [solid] | i thought it's supposed to have that patch already |
| 22:26:55 | HCl | yay gta san andreas works |
| 22:27:17 | Zoom2 | on iriver? |
| 22:27:28 | HCl | sure, on iriver *rolls his eyes* |
| 22:27:31 | Zoom2 | =P |
| 22:27:49 | Zoom2 | a man can hope cant he not? |
| 22:28:20 | linuxstb | [solid]: Yes, it should be. Not sure why you are getting that message. |
| 22:28:55 | [solid] | linuxstb: waiting for the gap now... or rather, waiting for the gap not too happen:) |
| 22:29:24 | [solid] | maybe i should delete the .rockbox directory and do a fresh copy? |
| 22:29:42 | HCl | daily builds are always lagging behind cv |
| 22:29:43 | HCl | s |
| 22:29:46 | HCl | because they need to be compiled |
| 22:29:53 | [solid] | HCl: yeah, about 20 minutes |
| 22:30:06 | HCl | mhm |
| 22:30:11 | [solid] | (from my experience) |
| 22:30:51 | t0mas | hm? they're not really daily? |
| 22:31:17 | [solid] | lol |
| 22:31:24 | [solid] | :D |
| 22:32:13 | amiconn | preglow: Spooky... using movem to make use of burst mode (as we thought) doesn't help a tiny bit to increase speed... :( |
| 22:32:38 | [solid] | oh yeah, somethings wrong... it stopped after the track again... i'll delete the .rockbox dir and try again |
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| 22:32:49 | t0mas | nice nick |
| 22:33:06 | amiconn | [solid]: You're talking about bleeding edge. The dailies are compiled at 06:00 ce(s)t |
| 22:33:11 | t0mas | firmwarewontload: what's your problem? Doesn't the rockbox firmware load? or the iriver? |
| 22:33:28 | t0mas | <t0mas> hm? they're not really daily? <−− I was right :P |
| 22:33:28 | firmwarewontload | hey. great workwith rockbox |
| 22:33:33 | t0mas | they are daily |
| 22:33:39 | t0mas | and not 20 minutes behind... |
| 22:33:39 | firmwarewontload | true the iriver firmware wont load |
| 22:33:47 | t0mas | firmwarewontload: charge batterys |
| 22:33:51 | t0mas | and try again in 10 minutes |
| 22:33:55 | t0mas | *batteries |
| 22:33:56 | amiconn | t0mas: The dailies are daily, bleeding edge is... bleeding edge |
| 22:34:03 | firmwarewontload | ok. thanks a lot |
| 22:34:19 | [solid] | oh... i've been using bleeding edge since... since... since i flashed my player |
| 22:34:21 | [solid] | :) |
| 22:34:41 | preglow | amiconn: not a thing? |
| 22:34:47 | amiconn | Nope |
| 22:34:48 | preglow | amiconn: what did the old code look like? |
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| 22:35:19 | amiconn | preglow: I compared a simple loop storing longs with one that stores 4 longs at once using movem |
| 22:35:31 | t0mas | hm |
| 22:35:40 | t0mas | who did the iriver remote handling code? |
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| 22:35:49 | HCl | austriancoder |
| 22:35:52 | amiconn | The version using movem shows exactly the same speed as the simple long loop for very large chunks |
| 22:36:04 | preglow | amiconn: well, that's pretty strange |
| 22:36:09 | amiconn | It's even a bit slower for smaller chunks due to more precalculation |
| 22:36:11 | t0mas | I guess he did something wrong... the volume buttons aren't working... |
| 22:36:18 | HCl | maybe some stuff wasn't initialized properly? |
| 22:37:14 | preglow | amiconn: but anywho, how much faster is it as it is? |
| 22:37:15 | t0mas | well... the backlight doesn't activate when using the volume or trackchange buttons |
| 22:38:06 | amiconn | preglow: If the destination is longword aligned to begin with, my asm version is equally fast for large chunks |
| 22:38:26 | preglow | amiconn: i mean compare to the c version |
| 22:38:34 | amiconn | yup |
| 22:38:40 | preglow | again, strange |
| 22:38:48 | amiconn | For non-aligned, I can get it up to 4x (same speed as aligned, doing start and trail bytes separately) |
| 22:39:16 | amiconn | For small chunks it's a bit faster as well due to optimised calculations |
| 22:39:51 | Slasheri | linuxstb: the flac playback seems to work quite well and sound quality is great :) |
| 22:40:19 | linuxstb | What's needed to get the WPS working? |
| 22:40:33 | Slasheri | tag info has to be read at least |
| 22:40:53 | Slasheri | one temporary solution would be writing tags to proper id3 fields |
| 22:41:01 | Bagder | Slasheri: you do read the mailing list, right? |
| 22:41:13 | Slasheri | Bagder: i just subscribed :D |
| 22:41:15 | HCl | um. |
| 22:41:16 | HCl | slasheri |
| 22:41:23 | HCl | tag info can be gotten from the tag database |
| 22:41:31 | HCl | if the tag database is present |
| 22:41:40 | Bagder | Slasheri: so I guess you read my mail? |
| 22:41:45 | t0mas | Slasheri: remote volume, pause/play and stop are working |
| 22:41:46 | Bagder | HCl: it should not |
| 22:41:54 | HCl | why not? |
| 22:41:59 | Bagder | playing songs should get tags from the song |
| 22:42:00 | HCl | i said it could, not that it should |
| 22:42:02 | preglow | Bagder: he's already commited a fix :P |
| 22:42:04 | [solid] | linuxstb: oh indeed, deleting the .rockbox dir helped... still waiting for the gap tho, damn long song :) |
| 22:42:05 | t0mas | Slasheri: next and prev. song don't work... the buttons aren't handled as I want them... |
| 22:42:06 | Slasheri | HCl: Hmm, that database is something i really should study better |
| 22:42:21 | HCl | either way, we're going to have to look up the song in the database anyways |
| 22:42:21 | Slasheri | Bagder: yes, thanks :) |
| 22:42:25 | HCl | for the runtime information |
| 22:42:31 | mborus | Hi. Just installed RB on my H140 today - do you want feedback in IRC or on the mailing list? |
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| 22:42:37 | HCl | so you might as well fetch the info from the database |
| 22:42:40 | Slasheri | Bagder: i removed the rindex right away |
| 22:42:41 | MoosCamaro | night guys |
| 22:42:42 | Bagder | the db is secondary, playing is primary |
| 22:43:06 | Slasheri | t0mas: oh, really cool :) |
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| 22:43:37 | HCl | i still don't see why we wouldn't use info thats available anywho |
| 22:43:46 | HCl | but whatever |
| 22:43:47 | HCl | o.o |
| 22:43:47 | Bagder | we should |
| 22:43:52 | Bagder | but thats _secondary_ |
| 22:44:04 | Zoom2 | anyone know if rockbox is janes compatible? |
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| 22:44:11 | HCl | i dunno how much cpu it costs to parse tags in a file |
| 22:44:13 | linuxstb | Do I just need to fill in the ci->mp3entry structure with the tags from the FLAC file, and then set ci->taginfo_ready to true? |
| 22:44:27 | HCl | but for vorbis, i think it would be more than to look it up in the database? |
| 22:44:29 | Zagor | Zoom2: you mean janus? |
| 22:44:35 | Zoom2 | yeah =) |
| 22:44:42 | Slasheri | linuxstb: that should work |
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| 22:45:02 | Zagor | no it's not. janus is Microsoft stuff, which means it can't be done on open source. |
| 22:45:05 | Slasheri | But it really is not the best solution.. |
| 22:45:18 | Zoom2 | Zagor: k, thanks |
| 22:45:29 | [solid] | and so the next song came, and the gap did not happen... great work linuxstb |
| 22:46:19 | MO-Pantsu | Is anyone else having the problem with tags not displaying when playing back Ogg files? |
| 22:46:27 | preglow | it's not a problem |
| 22:46:33 | HCl | like preglow said. |
| 22:46:37 | HCl | its in development |
| 22:46:37 | linuxstb | Slasheri: What is the best solution? (I'm assuming you're talking to me...) |
| 22:46:40 | HCl | its not meant for end users. |
| 22:46:40 | MO-Pantsu | OK it's not coded I guess |
| 22:46:56 | MO-Pantsu | was thinking I was going nuts ;) |
| 22:47:12 | Slasheri | linuxstb: currently there is no better solutions.. it has to be implemented =) |
| 22:47:31 | * | MO-Pantsu smacks EAC for giving an error when using OggEng |
| 22:47:37 | Slasheri | i think it's best at the moment to use the id3 fields to get tags to wps.. |
| 22:47:38 | MO-Pantsu | OggEnc |
| 22:48:06 | MO-Pantsu | Is there a better ripper than EAC for Ogg? |
| 22:48:43 | preglow | has nothing to do with the ripper |
| 22:48:48 | MO-Pantsu | I get a cryptic error message about not adding UTF-8 |
| 22:48:51 | preglow | has everything to do with the encoder the ripper uses |
| 22:49:16 | MO-Pantsu | gonna try another encoder methinks |
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| 22:56:38 | t0mas | woohoo :D |
| 22:56:51 | amiconn | Hmm, no Linus :( |
| 22:56:54 | * | t0mas is enjoying his iriver... with a graphical wps |
| 22:57:11 | t0mas | nicely formatted.. all info I need |
| 22:57:15 | amiconn | I spot some weirdness in crt0.S |
| 22:57:16 | t0mas | and control from the remote works too :D |
| 22:57:27 | [solid] | t0mas: sounds nice |
| 22:57:35 | XavierGr | wow t0mas where! |
| 22:57:37 | XavierGr | ? |
| 22:57:45 | XavierGr | did you patch it? |
| 22:57:48 | t0mas | yes |
| 22:57:55 | [solid] | t0mas: control from the remote is the only thing that keeps me using the original firmware now :D |
| 22:58:01 | XavierGr | me too! |
| 22:58:13 | t0mas | ok, I'll reformat it... and test for archos tomorrow |
| 22:58:16 | t0mas | and then commit ok? |
| 22:58:17 | XavierGr | do you have wps in the remote too? |
| 22:58:20 | t0mas | no |
| 22:58:24 | t0mas | that's still left todo |
| 22:58:26 | XavierGr | :( |
| 22:58:35 | [solid] | who cares, the buttons are working \o/ |
| 22:58:35 | XavierGr | gotta do it man its perfect! |
| 22:58:35 | t0mas | but I'll try to get that working :) |
| 22:58:44 | XavierGr | :D |
| 22:58:50 | XavierGr | Sweeet! |
| 22:58:50 | t0mas | damn... I'm _really_ tempted to do it right now |
| 22:58:57 | [solid] | :D |
| 22:59:02 | t0mas | but I have to go to sleep... have to get up at 6:30 tomorrow |
| 22:59:02 | Zoom2 | got screenshots?> |
| 22:59:06 | Bagder | that takes some thinking |
| 22:59:10 | t0mas | Zoom2: from simulator? |
| 22:59:17 | XavierGr | ah then go to sleep But aupload some pics first |
| 22:59:27 | Bagder | like what to do on the remote/main screen |
| 22:59:29 | Zoom2 | doesnt matter where |
| 22:59:33 | Bagder | for WPS/file browser |
| 22:59:36 | Zoom2 | I just wanna see what it looks like |
| 22:59:52 | t0mas | Zagor: http://tomas.salfischberger.nl/dump/wps-test.png |
| 22:59:56 | t0mas | like that now :D |
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| 23:00:17 | [solid] | whoa |
| 23:00:28 | t0mas | Bagder: shall I just try to make it use wps in the remote? from a separate wps config file? |
| 23:00:35 | t0mas | or are there better suggestions? |
| 23:00:50 | Bagder | that's what I mean with the required thinking |
| 23:01:06 | Bagder | it could for example remain in WPS in the remote even if you browse files on the main screen |
| 23:01:26 | Bagder | also |
| 23:01:30 | t0mas | yes, but writing wps code for the remote is needed anyway? |
| 23:01:34 | Bagder | you want another font for the WPS on the remote |
| 23:01:40 | t0mas | so I can do that when I have some time tomorrow? |
| 23:01:41 | Bagder | t0mas: true |
| 23:02:28 | Zoom2 | good work t0mas |
| 23:02:46 | [solid] | oh man, can;t wait to test that |
| 23:03:01 | XavierGr | what files did you reprogrammed t0mas to work that out? |
| 23:03:34 | t0mas | wps.c |
| 23:03:44 | XavierGr | only that? |
| 23:03:59 | t0mas | I already knew a lot of that code... because I did the graphics thing before |
| 23:04:09 | t0mas | just added the remote buttons there |
| 23:04:19 | t0mas | and re-added my graphics stuff |
| 23:04:32 | XavierGr | hmm maybe a wps with graphics thing (customizable) would be perfect! |
| 23:05:19 | XavierGr | what about if you open a wps file? Does your patch crash or it can choose |
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| 23:10:21 | t0mas | hm? |
| 23:10:25 | t0mas | it doesn't crash... |
| 23:10:47 | t0mas | but if your wps doesn't fit in my image it doesn't look really good |
| 23:10:58 | t0mas | that's why I'm going to change that... to read the image from a bmp file |
| 23:11:06 | t0mas | as that's not really difficult |
| 23:11:48 | Zoom2 | that is really good stuff t0mas, if we could get custome graphics on wps that would be awesome! |
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| 23:12:56 | t0mas | :) maybe it will just be a separate patch... |
| 23:13:03 | t0mas | as it uses some memory... wich amiconn doesn't like |
| 23:13:48 | Bagder | heh |
| 23:13:56 | Bagder | he likes it if you do it effectively |
| 23:14:56 | t0mas | ok, so don't use more buffer than we have lcd space... |
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| 23:14:58 | t0mas | and what else? |
| 23:15:27 | t0mas | oh btw... a reallife "screenshot" -> http://tomas.salfischberger.nl/dump/dscn3533.jpg |
| 23:16:37 | [solid] | t0mas: can't wait :D |
| 23:16:40 | Zoom2 | looks good, im trying to find some post for you on the forums |
| 23:16:47 | Zoom2 | there was an artist who did a really good rendering |
| 23:16:54 | Zoom2 | I was wondering if it were possible |
| 23:17:24 | [solid] | that's a plug from koss'? ;) |
| 23:17:38 | Bagder | the WPS should use whatever pic you want, so t0mas won't need that artist |
| 23:18:46 | Zoom2 | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=442.0 |
| 23:18:54 | Zoom2 | would that tabbed page interface be possible? |
| 23:19:21 | Bagder | everything is possible, if you write the code for it |
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| 23:21:02 | t0mas | Zoom2: I won't write that |
| 23:21:20 | t0mas | and I'm going to bed now |
| 23:21:23 | t0mas | good night :) |
| 23:21:23 | Zoom2 | gnite |
| 23:21:28 | Bagder | night t0mas |
| 23:21:34 | XavierGr | good night |
| 23:22:30 | t0mas | (and the reason not doing it is that it's way to complicated to integrate into rockbox... don't think many people can make something like that) |
| 23:22:55 | Bagder | and those who can don't see the point of doing it ;-) |
| 23:23:06 | t0mas | yes, I guess Bagder can do it :P |
| 23:23:29 | t0mas | gnight :) this time for real... ghehe... |
| 23:23:47 | Zoom2 | nite t0mas, thanks for the input |
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| 23:27:03 | Zoom2 | would this interface be easier to code?: http://img208.exs.cx/img208/8148/howitworks4wo.jpg |
| 23:27:47 | Bagder | its not about how easy or hard it is to write |
| 23:27:49 | Zagor | it's not about how easy it is to code. we already have an interfac. |
| 23:27:56 | Bagder | haha |
| 23:28:26 | Zoom2 | well I dont know what I am talking about then =( |
| 23:28:42 | * | amiconn spotted some weirdness in system.c too :( |
| 23:31:12 | Zagor | btw, i'm ready to press the release button. but I'm pretty out of touch about the current status. do we have any outstanding issues for the archos that warrants a delayed release snapshot? |
| 23:31:48 | Bagder | Zagor: I think amiconn is most on top of these things atm |
| 23:32:01 | Zagor | as in "has fixed" or "is fixing"? |
| 23:32:13 | Zagor | or "knows best" :) |
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| 23:32:47 | XavierGr | release what release? |
| 23:32:53 | Zagor | 2.5 |
| 23:33:01 | Bagder | I'm not personally aware of any remaining major flaws |
| 23:33:01 | amiconn | I think I have fixed the major issues, but e.g. for the multivolume probs on 0308 Ondios, I did not yet receive confirmation from Trevor |
| 23:33:16 | amiconn | He told me that he can't find his other 0308 Ondio :( |
| 23:34:06 | amiconn | And of course, the recording fixes aren't tested much on other devices than my own recorder |
| 23:34:23 | amiconn | (but they probably never will be if we don't release) |
| 23:34:29 | Bagder | exactly |
| 23:34:44 | Zagor | well, i just made a snapshot and tagged cvs. it'll take a little time to write the release notes (bagder, will you do the usual honors?) |
| 23:34:56 | amiconn | People seem to stick to releases, even if the dailies are way better |
| 23:34:57 | Bagder | certainly, hang on |
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| 23:36:13 | Bagder | aha, dr L! |
| 23:36:19 | LinusN | yo |
| 23:36:24 | amiconn | Uuuhh, LinusN himself! :) |
| 23:36:36 | Plugh_ | moo |
| 23:36:46 | * | LinusN is writing a linux driver for his logic analyzer |
| 23:37:05 | amiconn | LinusN: There are some things in crt0.s and system.c that look a bit suspicious to me |
| 23:37:14 | LinusN | amiconn: shoot |
| 23:38:11 | amiconn | (1) Am I right that the SDRAM setup is done in the bootloader only? If so, did you write a modified bootloader to test page mode? |
| 23:38:41 | LinusN | 1) the setup is done in the boot loader, but page mode can be changed on the fly |
| 23:38:52 | LinusN | afaik |
| 23:38:53 | amiconn | AH, ok |
| 23:39:28 | amiconn | (2) DCR setup (lines 193,194). It sets RC to 5, but claims to set 80 cycle refresh |
| 23:39:54 | amiconn | However, refresh cycle count is (RC+1)*16 so it sets 96 cycles... |
| 23:40:29 | LinusN | oops |
| 23:40:41 | amiconn | More oops'es to come... system.c |
| 23:41:16 | amiconn | In set_cpu_frequency: |
| 23:41:50 | amiconn | (1) pll bypass means 11 MHz CPU frequency again, and 5.5 MHz sysclk, as in the bootloader |
| 23:41:57 | amiconn | (correct?) |
| 23:42:04 | LinusN | yes |
| 23:42:29 | amiconn | Why do you set RC=1 then. RC=4 (80 clks as intended in the bootloader) should sufficew |
| 23:42:31 | amiconn | -w |
| 23:43:07 | LinusN | i remember i had a reason for that... |
| 23:43:40 | preglow | and didn't comment it? ;) |
| 23:43:43 | LinusN | but i can't remember now |
| 23:44:25 | LinusN | i guess it could be 4 |
| 23:44:29 | amiconn | (2) CPU_FREQ_MAX: |
| 23:44:49 | CoCoLUS | if i want to build rb myself, do i have to check out anything else except the base package and the fonts? |
| 23:45:26 | Zagor | CoCoLUS: tools |
| 23:45:26 | amiconn | You set the refresh timer to 28. If my calculation is correct, it should be 57 |
| 23:46:14 | amiconn | Ditto 22 instead of 10 for CPU_FREQ_NORMAL |
| 23:46:26 | preglow | Bagder: shouldn't make be run in tools/ if they aren't built? that used to be the case before, and now we get people asking why it fails all the time |
| 23:46:55 | LinusN | amiconn: you mean i have mixed up pll freq and sysfreq? |
| 23:47:05 | amiconn | LinusN: (3) default: The comment for i2c frequency is obviously wrong, as it says 48 MHz. |
| 23:47:24 | Bagder | preglow: it should, but I didn't like the way it was done before. I should re-add it in a better way. |
| 23:47:43 | amiconn | The clock divider might be wrong too. (Didn't check yet, but it has the same values as for 48 MHz) |
| 23:48:10 | LinusN | amiconn: i must have forgot to set the correct values for the default case |
| 23:48:37 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/since24.html |
| 23:48:38 | amiconn | Iiuc the formula for calculating refresh is |
| 23:48:41 | Bagder | all commits since 2.4 |
| 23:49:00 | Bagder | ~500K |
| 23:49:01 | LinusN | amiconn: the refresh rate is based on the bus frequency |
| 23:49:16 | amiconn | sysclk = cpuclk / 2; RC = (sysclk * 15.625 us) / 16 - 1 |
| 23:49:29 | LinusN | looks correct |
| 23:49:58 | amiconn | ...and if I calculate that, I get 57 / 22 / 4 for ~120 / ~48 / ~11 MHz |
| 23:50:32 | Zagor | Bagder: yikes! yeah, this'll take a while... |
| 23:50:44 | LinusN | amiconn: looks ok |
| 23:50:44 | Bagder | yes, its... BIG |
| 23:50:46 | amiconn | ...and it's obvious that the value for 120 MHz must be >10 times the value for 11 MHz |
| 23:51:06 | LinusN | i made a nice excel sheet for all those calculations, i wonder where i goofed |
| 23:51:21 | amiconn | Do you still have that sheet available? |
| 23:51:27 | LinusN | yes, at work |
| 23:51:32 | amiconn | Hmm :/ |
| 23:51:49 | amiconn | Openoffice should be able to open excel files |
| 23:51:58 | LinusN | yes |
| 23:52:48 | preglow | hmm |
| 23:52:53 | preglow | will this affect performance much? |
| 23:52:55 | Bagder | number of commited files since 2.4: |
| 23:53:00 | Bagder | top 5 |
| 23:53:04 | Bagder | 574 amiconn |
| 23:53:05 | Bagder | 482 bagder |
| 23:53:09 | Bagder | 404 linus |
| 23:53:09 | Bagder | 269 hcl |
| 23:53:09 | Bagder | 221 dave |
| 23:53:28 | Bagder | hm, how did I make it there? |
| 23:53:28 | LinusN | preglow: it will affect performance somewhat |
| 23:53:38 | amiconn | 574. wow!!! |
| 23:53:54 | Bagder | out of 2703 |
| 23:54:30 | preglow | where am i :/ |
| 23:54:44 | Bagder | 81 preglow |
| 23:54:50 | linuxstb | Committing all those codecs was an easy way for me to get on that list... |
| 23:55:03 | Bagder | 167 jyp |
| 23:55:03 | Bagder | 119 hohensoh |
| 23:55:03 | Bagder | 94 zagor |
| 23:55:03 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Bagder |
| 23:55:03 | Bagder | 81 preglow |
| 23:55:03 | Bagder | 71 christian |
| 23:55:44 | linuxstb | LinusN: Is there anything we can do to get 48KHz playback on the iRiver? Or was your statement a few months ago that we have to do software resampling the final word on the subject? |
| 23:56:03 | t0mas | Bagder: and me? 3 or 4 ? :) |
| 23:56:12 | LinusN | linuxstb: resampling is the only way to go |
| 23:56:13 | Bagder | 15 tomas |
| 23:56:19 | t0mas | oh ok :) |
| 23:56:31 | Bagder | t0mas: aren't you sleeping? B-] |
| 23:56:50 | linuxstb | Has anyone looked for suitable resampling algorithms yet? |
| 23:56:54 | t0mas | yes I am |
| 23:56:58 | preglow | interpolation is mroe or less our only choice |
| 23:57:04 | t0mas | was just returning to scream: "I love gapless" |
| 23:57:13 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 23:57:19 | t0mas | as I was listening some music while cleaning up before I was going to sleep |
| 23:57:29 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 23:57:29 | * | LinusN screams "i've had gapless for years" |
| 23:57:31 | linuxstb | preglow: I mean do we have any code ready to be slotted in, when we have a place to slot it? |
| 23:58:17 | preglow | making a quick linear interpolator shouldn't take too much time |
| 23:58:35 | preglow | but i'm concerned linear interpolation might kill too many high frequencies |
| 23:58:46 | linuxstb | Are we keeping the DAC at a constant 44.1KHz and resampling everything to that (even 22.05KHz etc)? |
| 23:58:49 | preglow | just one way to find out, i'll try a few experiment |
| 23:58:49 | preglow | s |
| 23:58:58 | preglow | i can't seem to get any work done anyway |
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