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| 00:04:30 | Rollo_McFlurry | hi, can anyone tell me how long it usually takes to upgrade using the modified hex file on a iHP-140? |
| 00:05:25 | preglow | half a minute? |
| 00:05:47 | hubbel | Rollo_McFlurry: the thing is that it does not poweroff or reboot automaticly |
| 00:06:17 | Rollo_McFlurry | ah ok, it's been updating a good 20 mins now and i still have the HD light on. |
| 00:06:19 | preglow | mine does |
| 00:06:26 | hubbel | hum.. i dont remember exactly, but i think one has to press off or reset? |
| 00:06:28 | preglow | mine just powers off when it's done |
| 00:06:32 | hubbel | but then after the reboot |
| 00:06:51 | preglow | well, try switching it off |
| 00:06:51 | hicks | Mine took about 20-30seconds then turned itself off. |
| 00:06:51 | hubbel | rockbox does some calculation on the FAT |
| 00:07:06 | hicks | Just like when you do a normal firmware update. |
| 00:07:08 | preglow | Rollo_McFlurry: so you're still on the flashing screen? |
| 00:07:09 | yngwi | mine did also an automatic turn off, exactly like the iriver version |
| 00:07:17 | Rollo_McFlurry | oh dear :) |
| 00:07:31 | preglow | battery status? |
| 00:07:36 | hicks | Make sure you power is plugged in :P |
| 00:07:39 | preglow | yes |
| 00:07:40 | preglow | exactly |
| 00:07:43 | Rollo_McFlurry | yeah got the power on |
| 00:07:52 | preglow | oh well |
| 00:07:57 | ehntoo | Rollo_McFlurry, that's not good. |
| 00:08:03 | preglow | if it's still trying to flash, you might as well try to switch it off |
| 00:08:09 | preglow | it's not going to complete now |
| 00:08:16 | preglow | so pray it's not even started flashing |
| 00:08:25 | preglow | if it's still showing the disk light, there's hope yet |
| 00:09:22 | yngwi | good luck |
| 00:09:30 | Sucka | :S |
| 00:09:32 | Slasheri | committed buggy patch. nights :) |
| 00:10:03 | Rollo_McFlurry | i'm charmed, had to hit the reset but it's booted back to original firmware |
| 00:10:15 | yngwi | puhh |
| 00:10:23 | preglow | yeah, i figured that |
| 00:10:31 | preglow | it didn't succeed in reading the image |
| 00:10:39 | preglow | i've never seen that happen before |
| 00:11:53 | Rollo_McFlurry | i'll try again, dont think i did anything wrong though |
| 00:11:59 | preglow | hmm |
| 00:12:08 | preglow | i don't think it'll change much |
| 00:12:09 | preglow | but sure |
| 00:12:54 | Rollo_McFlurry | worth trying to patch a different firmware version? |
| 00:13:14 | hicks | did you check the md5sum after patching? |
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| 00:13:38 | preglow | what did you use to make the hex file? |
| 00:13:39 | Sucka | idd |
| 00:13:55 | Rollo_McFlurry | the patcher |
| 00:14:09 | preglow | fwpatcher? |
| 00:14:24 | preglow | should be fine, then |
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| 00:23:59 | Rollo_McFlurry | hmm it wont do a non patched hex either, just what sort of calcs does it do before flashing? i'm thinking i might have some errors on the drive |
| 00:24:28 | preglow | there's no checksum deal |
| 00:24:33 | preglow | sounds like your hard drive is having a bad time |
| 00:24:44 | preglow | if the checksums in the firmware file are wrong, it should tell you so |
| 00:30:50 | Rollo_McFlurry | thanks for the help, got to reboot |
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| 00:36:59 | spiralout | hi:) ...Q: Speechoutput isn´t supported yet for H100 right? |
| 00:37:43 | hubbel | preglow: i tried the 8.12 stuff now and there's virtually no plops when power-on or off |
| 00:39:20 | preglow | hubbel: excellent!!! |
| 00:39:27 | preglow | hubbel: not even iriver can make it completely silent |
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| 00:57:39 | DomZ | ? |
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| 01:13:08 | HCl | nice hubbel, can you commit that or does it need more testing? |
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| 01:28:34 | hubbel | i dont have write access to cvs but i give someone a diff |
| 01:28:38 | hubbel | +can |
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| 01:40:30 | markun | I'll commit it for you |
| 01:41:17 | preglow | oh, do so |
| 01:41:38 | markun | hubbel: can you give me the patch? |
| 01:42:20 | hubbel | sure |
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| 01:53:05 | HCl | woops. |
| 01:53:16 | * | HCl totally overestimated the price of something on a game :x |
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| 01:59:43 | preglow | commit? :> |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:18 | markun | not yet |
| 02:00:21 | markun | just a minute |
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| 02:03:41 | preglow | ait |
| 02:03:56 | preglow | anyone think we'll ever get bigger buffers than 65kb from the codecs? |
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| 02:10:05 | markun | can I use \n with cvs commit -m '... ? |
| 02:10:32 | HCl | preglow: why? |
| 02:14:57 | preglow | thinking about resampling |
| 02:15:29 | markun | comitted |
| 02:15:37 | preglow | wondering if 16.16 fixed point will do for stepping through the waveform while interpolating |
| 02:15:41 | preglow | markun: wonderufl |
| 02:15:44 | preglow | wonderful, even |
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| 02:17:04 | markun | with my cheap in-ear-phones the ticks are still quite loud and I hear a hiss when the amp is on, but with my other headphones it's pretty faint. |
| 02:17:42 | webguest70 | commited =newer (latest) file in daily downloads ? |
| 02:18:31 | preglow | markun: sounds like fm noise, really |
| 02:18:57 | preglow | i still get that |
| 02:19:09 | preglow | but it's a lot better |
| 02:19:12 | markun | preglow: how can I test it? |
| 02:19:29 | preglow | the power off noise is just like iriver firmware now |
| 02:19:41 | preglow | markun: dunno, i only occasionally get what i think like fm noise when i start up |
| 02:19:56 | preglow | mostly it's just a low click |
| 02:20:50 | markun | preglow: no, not only during startup. The hiss is constant, also during playback. |
| 02:21:02 | markun | just white noise |
| 02:21:07 | preglow | not for me |
| 02:21:15 | preglow | i'm hoping austraincoders commit will fix this |
| 02:21:18 | preglow | if he gets around to it |
| 02:21:28 | markun | I have the same with the iriver firmware |
| 02:21:37 | preglow | hmm |
| 02:21:38 | preglow | strange |
| 02:21:41 | preglow | i don't have anything like it |
| 02:21:56 | markun | are your headphones vey sensitive? |
| 02:22:16 | preglow | i don't know, really |
| 02:22:32 | preglow | haven't got much to compare them with anymore |
| 02:23:10 | preglow | i think i can hear a very, very faint hiss sometimes |
| 02:23:17 | preglow | but it's not something i ordinarily notice |
| 02:24:49 | markun | If I listen to music I also don't notice it, only when the music stops (or silent parts) |
| 02:26:01 | hubbel | i sometimes get two loud clicks at startup.. most of the time the two clicks are pretty silent |
| 02:27:45 | preglow | anyway |
| 02:27:46 | preglow | i gotta sleep |
| 02:27:47 | preglow | later |
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| 04:11:53 | thegeek | for the record, with my 26ohm(very low for headphones) shure e3's there is always a very small hiss |
| 04:12:08 | thegeek | thought I doubt you will find any portable player without it |
| 04:12:28 | thegeek | and when listening to any music it is inaudible |
| 04:12:53 | thegeek | I have to set the volume to 7/8 to really notice it |
| 04:13:17 | thegeek | and when volume is at 2, it is there but it's not bothersome |
| 04:13:32 | dapureplaya | hi |
| 04:14:18 | thegeek | I can test tomorrow using the digital out + iriver fw and a very good external non oversampling dac to hear if it is some imperfection in the iriver, or just a little noise |
| 04:14:22 | thegeek | hi dapureplaya |
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| 05:09:49 | bill2or3 | sweet |
| 05:10:03 | bill2or3 | won a remote for $17.50 |
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| 06:45:23 | crumb_ | hi |
| 06:45:42 | crumb_ | is there any kind of work being done for the iRiver H10 |
| 06:46:06 | crumb_ | i searched, and i found some information that might be helpful |
| 06:47:53 | courtc | us over at #ipodlinux shunted him this way. |
| 06:48:48 | crumb_ | heh |
| 06:52:35 | crumb_ | crashd :o |
| 06:52:43 | crumb_ | i found your article on misticriver |
| 06:53:54 | crumb_ | hmm |
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| 08:04:42 | amiconn | morning |
| 08:06:27 | HCl | ohayo.. |
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| 09:23:35 | bobTHC | hi folks ! |
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| 09:29:07 | Slasheri | hi |
| 09:29:17 | Slasheri | Hmm, what means: I41: PDIR2FULL ? |
| 09:36:11 | Bger | grep the source ... :) |
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| 09:36:19 | Slasheri | =) |
| 09:36:55 | Bger | maybe the first question is "what's PDIR2" |
| 09:37:04 | leftright | when starting playback there is still a pop |
| 09:37:13 | Slasheri | that is almost fixed |
| 09:37:16 | Slasheri | i will commit soon |
| 09:37:25 | leftright | thanks |
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| 09:40:39 | leftright | with fade on & stop is pressed, the songs fades correclt but just before zero sound there is a blip in the vol |
| 09:40:58 | Slasheri | yes, that is still a known problem |
| 09:41:12 | leftright | :) |
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| 09:46:11 | leftright | wps battery indicator (not tiny icon) does not display correct battery time remaining |
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| 09:52:09 | Rori | I hate this. I have a complaint against my telco. But discussing it in a forum I am being shot down on technical grounds over something that is a marketing ploy (DSL speed upgrades). |
| 09:52:57 | Rori | Sucks so much when you know it's something that could be done if the telco could be bothered. But it's all about the bottom line. |
| 09:54:18 | Slasheri | committed |
| 09:57:11 | leftright | :) |
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| 10:00:49 | leftright | the sequence number is still 20050614 |
| 10:01:28 | B4gder | the sequence number? |
| 10:01:39 | leftright | of the builds |
| 10:01:50 | B4gder | what builds? |
| 10:02:04 | odd | THE BUILDS, MAN, THE BUILDS |
| 10:02:09 | leftright | the daily builds |
| 10:02:11 | B4gder | and it is still the 14th, so why is that wrong? |
| 10:02:49 | leftright | sorry, I thought that it was a sequential number |
| 10:03:10 | Slasheri | maybe you should use the bleeding edge builds |
| 10:03:17 | Slasheri | I think daily builds updates only once a day |
| 10:03:24 | B4gder | the daily builds are... eh, daily |
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| 10:07:58 | leftright | does the daily build get updated more than once daily ? |
| 10:08:29 | B4gder | no |
| 10:08:47 | B4gder | but there are bleeding edge builds |
| 10:08:56 | B4gder | they are packages of the latest possible cvs commit |
| 10:09:16 | Bger | B4gder: " <Slasheri> Hmm, what means: I41: PDIR2FULL" |
| 10:09:35 | B4gder | I don't know |
| 10:14:52 | B4gder | its just the name of the vector 41 |
| 10:15:10 | B4gder | 41 hex |
| 10:15:13 | Slasheri | Hmm, i already solved that :) |
| 10:15:41 | Slasheri | (the problem, not that error message) |
| 10:15:50 | Bger | B4gder where can someone find info about these messages ? |
| 10:16:17 | B4gder | they are shown by code in firmware/system.c |
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| 10:16:52 | B4gder | the code is call on unexpected irqs |
| 10:16:54 | B4gder | called |
| 10:17:05 | B4gder | so it shows the irq number and the associated name |
| 10:17:29 | Bger | with the IRQ ? |
| 10:17:44 | Bger | default_interrupt (PDIR2FULL); /* Processor data in 2 full */ |
| 10:17:58 | B4gder | yes |
| 10:18:21 | B4gder | and to learn what that is, I guess some coldfire docs reading is required |
| 10:18:26 | Bger | i've already looked @ system.c ... |
| 10:18:37 | Bger | but obviously i've overlooked it ... |
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| 10:30:26 | * | Rori just had hsi adsl speed doubled. But I had to pay for it where others got the upgrade for free based on BT's crappy line quality database |
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| 10:51:44 | markun | Slasheri: Thanks for turning off the amp when not playing. |
| 10:51:57 | Slasheri | markun :) |
| 10:52:08 | Slasheri | markun: i found it worked quite well and now it's really silent |
| 10:52:50 | markun | How did you get rid of the click without playing silent samples? |
| 10:53:48 | Rori | ah good |
| 10:53:50 | Slasheri | I enable the audio system after playing has already started :) |
| 10:53:51 | Rori | no more pops? |
| 10:55:09 | markun | I noticed the dc problem was not even solved but turning the player off and back on, but that's not problem now anymore. |
| 10:55:26 | amiconn | I got 2 *loud* pops today, one when powering up and the other when resume kicked in |
| 10:55:44 | amiconn | That was without Slasheri's 07:54 commit though |
| 10:55:51 | markun | amiconn: It's solved now. |
| 10:55:54 | amiconn | (using line out) |
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| 10:56:24 | markun | amiconn: The big plop is when there was a dc offset when you turned off the player. The offset is back again when you turn the unit on.. |
| 10:57:09 | amiconn | I don't expect a dc offset in the dac to survive a poweroff... |
| 10:58:07 | markun | amiconn: it's strange. But after playing some silence and you power off you don't get the second click. If you play some loud sample and you power off and back on the tick is there.. |
| 10:58:53 | amiconn | Even if the poweroff time is more than a couple of minutes??? |
| 10:59:06 | markun | Is the player in a standby mode when you power it of? |
| 10:59:11 | markun | amiconn: didn't try that. |
| 10:59:39 | amiconn | I installed my current build in the morning, then powered down. |
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| 11:00:13 | amiconn | After some time I connected it to my car stereo aux, powered on *pop*, and acceppted resume *pop* |
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| 11:02:43 | markun | amiconn: try the same thing after playing silence and turning it off.. but with Slasheri's latest patch it's gone anyway. |
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| 11:15:27 | Rori | I still get clicks when playing an MP3 and when I stop it and also a slight click when powering down |
| 11:15:37 | Rori | latest commit |
| 11:16:48 | Rori | not sure if it did that on iRiver FW. Not a big problem mind you. |
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| 11:51:41 | Matt-UK | hi guys |
| 11:53:00 | Matt-UK | anyone around? |
| 11:56:05 | markun | sure |
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| 11:57:47 | Matt-UK | cool |
| 11:58:07 | Matt-UK | i love the progress of this firmware, but shame no one has taken the MP3 player i have as a project for rockbox |
| 11:58:28 | markun | which one? |
| 11:58:37 | Matt-UK | Cowon iAudio M3 |
| 11:58:46 | Matt-UK | amazing MP3 player i've had for almost a year |
| 11:58:57 | markun | I believe it uses the same cpu as the iriver |
| 11:59:03 | Matt-UK | yup |
| 11:59:31 | Matt-UK | the firmware is out there to take a look inside for the M3, but why isnt anyone devicing custom firmware for the M3? |
| 11:59:44 | markun | If you are willing to open it up and make pictures of the hardware it would help |
| 11:59:59 | Matt-UK | there are many pictures already taken |
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| 12:00:03 | Matt-UK | let me try and find the page |
| 12:00:46 | markun | ok, that's good then. All the components need to be indentified and then find the datasheets. |
| 12:02:11 | markun | Matt-UK: if you like you can start a wiki page on the rockbox site about the M3 harware. |
| 12:02:21 | Matt-UK | ok |
| 12:02:42 | Matt-UK | well, here's a start with the processor it uses |
| 12:02:43 | Matt-UK | http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=SCF5249&nodeId=018rH3YTLC7007YmLPqMSDVmp1 |
| 12:03:27 | Matt-UK | same as the iriver as you apparently |
| 12:04:54 | linuxstb | If it was me, I would first try to understand how the firmware update process works - if you can't install your own firmware, I'm not sure it's worth proceeding. |
| 12:05:12 | Matt-UK | well |
| 12:05:51 | Matt-UK | i can explain, the file gets placed onto the hard-drive in its own folder. then the next oppertunity you turn it on with the power lead in, it boots up an update screen on the remote and goes through the process |
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| 12:10:14 | linuxstb | It sounds similar to the iRiver then - new firmware gets flashed before it can be run. Do you know if the firmware update file is encrypted? |
| 12:10:57 | Matt-UK | http://homepage1.nifty.com/c-kom/iaudio_m3/photo003.html |
| 12:11:14 | Matt-UK | thats the webpage with an opened up M3 |
| 12:11:25 | linuxstb | A quick question - is this MP3 player still available to buy? The big problem with iRiver H120/H140 is that it's discontinued. |
| 12:11:32 | Matt-UK | yes |
| 12:11:41 | Matt-UK | it is available to buy still |
| 12:12:11 | Matt-UK | and the new X5 (colour edition on the unit) is coming out gradually |
| 12:12:21 | Matt-UK | screen* |
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| 12:13:18 | Matt-UK | linuxstb: not sure about the encryption |
| 12:13:27 | Matt-UK | linuxstb: but comes as a bin file |
| 12:13:40 | linuxstb | How many buttons does it have? I can only see three in the pictures. |
| 12:13:57 | Matt-UK | linuxstb: there are other buttons down the side |
| 12:14:20 | Matt-UK | linuxstb: including the volume, hold and A-B/Rec button |
| 12:14:38 | Matt-UK | linuxstb: and all those buttons are on the remote |
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| 12:15:36 | linuxstb | Do you know how much RAM there is? |
| 12:15:51 | leftright | he M3 is replaced by the M5 |
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| 12:16:13 | Matt-UK | leftright: no, the M5 hasnt been confirmed yet |
| 12:16:17 | leftright | X5 rather |
| 12:16:26 | linuxstb | Do you have a link to a firmware download? |
| 12:16:30 | Matt-UK | i do |
| 12:16:54 | Matt-UK | linuxstb: "96 KB Static Random Access Memory (SRAM)" |
| 12:17:31 | linuxstb | It must have more, slower memory (I hope) |
| 12:17:50 | Matt-UK | oh yes |
| 12:17:54 | amiconn | 96K SRAM is expected for coldfire 5249 |
| 12:18:03 | Matt-UK | when caching songs, it can hold upto 3 songs max |
| 12:18:10 | Matt-UK | in MP3 format |
| 12:19:21 | Matt-UK | so maybe around 12 - 16MB |
| 12:19:26 | Matt-UK | could be more |
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| 12:20:47 | tucoz | Hi, the m3 seems to have unencrypted firmware. By running strings on it i get to see the menustrings and some other stuff |
| 12:21:20 | linuxstb | There's probably a checksum somewhere though. |
| 12:21:26 | tucoz | ok |
| 12:21:33 | linuxstb | (I would hope) |
| 12:22:01 | tucoz | Don't know. I just compared it to iriver's which show garbled strings |
| 12:22:02 | Matt-UK | linuxstb: all the firmware is located here: ftp://206.173.2.94/iAUDIO/Firmware/M3/ |
| 12:22:30 | linuxstb | Thanks. |
| 12:22:43 | Matt-UK | but there were some zip's somewhere of them |
| 12:22:50 | Matt-UK | because they have now put them all in installation files |
| 12:23:38 | tucoz | here is a zip: http://eng.iaudio.com/download/file/cowon_program/iAUDIOM3_firm/iAUDIOM3_1_35eng.zip |
| 12:24:08 | Matt-UK | ah yes |
| 12:24:12 | Matt-UK | i tryied to find that link |
| 12:24:19 | Matt-UK | so do u think its possible? |
| 12:25:25 | linuxstb | Assuming all the chips have public documentation, then yes. If not, then it's probably still yes, but would require more reverse-engineering of the original firmware. |
| 12:27:01 | linuxstb | At least one developer would need to install something like a BDM device to be able to recover from flashing a bad firmware. LinusN did that with the iRiver. |
| 12:29:01 | tucoz | linuxstb: Do you have a disassembler for the coldfire? |
| 12:29:59 | linuxstb | If you followed the Rockbox approach for the iRiver, you would patch an existing official firmware to include a bootloader. This is the only dangerous part - Rockbox itself would be stored on disk and loaded to RAM before running. You would always have the original firmware to fall back on. |
| 12:30:17 | Matt-UK | true |
| 12:30:56 | Matt-UK | linuxstb: Just be aware that there is BBE in the M3, which is a copyrighted DSP for audio |
| 12:31:05 | linuxstb | No, I don't have a disassembler, but I'm sure others do. I seem to recall someone mentioning that objdump can do it - check the IRC logs for last week. |
| 12:31:36 | tucoz | linuxstb: true, forgot about that. I tried that last week on some rockbox code. |
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| 12:33:05 | linuxstb | I know nothing about DSPs (you need to come back when the low-level guys are here). But if the Coldfire runs at the same speed as the iRiver, then you can live without the DSP. Assuming you can bypass it to access the DAC> |
| 12:33:53 | linuxstb | All I know is that the first thing the hardware people do is to draw schematics based on high-res scans/photos of the PCBs. |
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| 12:39:38 | linuxstb | I see the M3 firmware contains libFLAC 1.1.0 ... What's the FLAC performance like on the M3? |
| 12:39:54 | preglow | a couple of funny things, though |
| 12:39:58 | preglow | i can see no ram or codec chip |
| 12:40:19 | linuxstb | Is it possible that there's no RAM? |
| 12:40:39 | preglow | no |
| 12:40:48 | preglow | most definitely no |
| 12:40:57 | preglow | a player with its disk on all the time wouldn't run for very long |
| 12:40:58 | preglow | heh |
| 12:41:10 | linuxstb | I didn't expect so. But you made me wonder... |
| 12:41:23 | preglow | there's one chip i can't make out |
| 12:41:30 | preglow | placed directly underneath the coldfire |
| 12:41:32 | markun | The M3L runs for 35 hours.. |
| 12:42:05 | markun | The M3 14 hours |
| 12:42:07 | preglow | it's got 4 megabytes flash |
| 12:42:24 | linuxstb | What do the iRivers have? |
| 12:42:37 | markun | CY7C68310 Description |
| 12:42:37 | markun | ISD-300LP(TM) Low-Power USB 2.0 to ATA/ATAPI Bridge IC |
| 12:42:39 | preglow | something along the lines of two |
| 12:42:45 | preglow | yeah, that's the ordinary ata bridge |
| 12:46:15 | Matt-UK | hi again guys |
| 12:46:18 | Matt-UK | FLAC is not bad |
| 12:46:26 | Matt-UK | but the M3 only officially supports 0, 1 and 2 |
| 12:47:11 | Matt-UK | but the performance decreases if BBE DSP is on |
| 12:48:06 | preglow | bbe dsp? |
| 12:48:09 | preglow | what the hell is that? |
| 12:48:29 | Matt-UK | http://www.bbesound.com/ |
| 12:48:36 | Matt-UK | its the thing that enchances the sound |
| 12:48:36 | preglow | bah |
| 12:48:38 | preglow | simple preprocess |
| 12:48:51 | preglow | we can't support that |
| 12:48:53 | preglow | it's probably patented |
| 12:49:02 | Matt-UK | i know that |
| 12:50:02 | Matt-UK | there must b other opensource DSPs that could be implemented |
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| 12:50:58 | preglow | no idea |
| 12:51:09 | preglow | dsp people aren't very open source friendly |
| 12:51:25 | preglow | they tend to go for the cash |
| 12:51:44 | preglow | those who don't are incompetent, like me ;) |
| 12:52:10 | Matt-UK | lol |
| 12:52:20 | Matt-UK | doesnt bother me is BBE wasn't included |
| 12:52:24 | Matt-UK | or any DSP |
| 12:53:49 | Matt-UK | would fitting an EQ function be easy? |
| 12:53:56 | preglow | yeah, i'm gonna do that |
| 12:54:01 | Matt-UK | the M3 already has EQ on there |
| 12:54:08 | Matt-UK | and that boosts the sound quite nicely already |
| 12:55:33 | Matt-UK | i've got better pictures of the mainboard if anyone needs them |
| 12:56:55 | Matt-UK | preglow: you do the programming? |
| 12:57:44 | preglow | Matt-UK: i do some programming |
| 12:57:48 | Matt-UK | cool |
| 12:57:51 | preglow | Matt-UK: better pictures would be cool |
| 12:58:03 | Matt-UK | its a huge 28MB file, lol |
| 12:58:06 | Matt-UK | or zip |
| 12:58:09 | Matt-UK | with all the images |
| 12:58:28 | Matt-UK | preglow: this is the link if you want it http://www.hraesvelg.net/iaudio/M3L_internals_20050217.tar.gz |
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| 13:00:11 | Matt-UK | preglow: will all this take a while to develop? |
| 13:00:50 | preglow | Matt-UK: oh, yes |
| 13:01:07 | preglow | depends on how dissimular it is to irivers offerings |
| 13:01:10 | preglow | the coldfire is a good sign |
| 13:01:43 | preglow | so the codecs should work just as well on this one |
| 13:03:30 | Matt-UK | good :) |
| 13:03:37 | Matt-UK | whats already been completed? |
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| 13:05:17 | Bger | btw, i'm surprised of the fact that the firmware (probably) is not encrypted ... |
| 13:05:18 | preglow | found the ram, at least |
| 13:05:41 | preglow | nothing's been completed, but we've got a nice set of functioning codecs now |
| 13:05:41 | Matt-UK | well, the guys who make it are in korea :P |
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| 13:06:02 | Bger | btw, this coldfire is rated 120MHz |
| 13:06:32 | Bger | if we can trust our probes with coldfire @ 140MHz ... this one couldn't run at 120MHz for a while ... |
| 13:06:33 | Matt-UK | has there been any development in an ID Database? |
| 13:06:41 | HCl | yes. |
| 13:06:55 | Matt-UK | because thats the lacking featuee on the M3 |
| 13:06:58 | preglow | it's got 32 megabytes og ram |
| 13:06:58 | Matt-UK | feature* |
| 13:07:03 | HCl | at least, if you mean id3 |
| 13:07:05 | Matt-UK | yes |
| 13:07:28 | HCl | same thing with the iriver, it has an id3 database, but its crap. it can't even make on the fly playlists |
| 13:07:30 | Matt-UK | giving it an ID3 DB would make it perfect for most users, lol |
| 13:07:45 | Matt-UK | the M3 can make playlists on the go |
| 13:07:53 | Matt-UK | even without ID3 DB |
| 13:08:00 | HCl | *yawns* |
| 13:08:01 | HCl | anyways |
| 13:08:19 | HCl | i think i'm mostly the person responsible for the id3 database, along with zagor a bit |
| 13:08:39 | Matt-UK | have u tested it? |
| 13:08:50 | HCl | i'm not done with it yet. |
| 13:09:03 | HCl | but playlist generation based on tags alone works |
| 13:09:13 | Matt-UK | good |
| 13:09:22 | HCl | and the id3 browser works |
| 13:09:31 | Bger | hm, rev. 1.3 of th PCB :) |
| 13:09:40 | Matt-UK | could a clock be placed onto this M3? |
| 13:09:43 | markun | preglow: The Samsung K4S2816330 is only 16MB, no? |
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| 13:10:43 | preglow | this is a k4s28166d |
| 13:10:48 | preglow | 1633d <- |
| 13:11:17 | preglow | i found info indicating it's 32 |
| 13:11:21 | markun | ah, ok |
| 13:11:28 | Matt-UK | :) |
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| 13:12:41 | Matt-UK | would be nice to see some developments for the M3 |
| 13:12:47 | Matt-UK | and i dont mind testing firmware |
| 13:13:07 | markun | preglow: http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semiconductor/DRAM/MobileSDRAM/128Mbit/K4S281633D/K4S281633D.htm |
| 13:13:13 | markun | only 16MB |
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| 13:13:37 | preglow | okies |
| 13:13:43 | preglow | my, searching for parts is fun |
| 13:14:38 | preglow | still no codec |
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| 13:14:44 | preglow | ld245 is a bus tranceiver |
| 13:15:05 | crashd | darn |
| 13:15:11 | crashd | i missed the guy who wanted to know about h10 dev |
| 13:15:17 | crashd | cursed sleeping! |
| 13:15:28 | Bger | what is that under the metal radiator ? |
| 13:16:23 | Nuxator | Last bleeding build dosn't play any mp3 |
| 13:16:28 | Bger | marked as 201 |
| 13:16:31 | preglow | Bger: that might be it |
| 13:16:49 | preglow | the minimise radio interference to the codec chip |
| 13:16:51 | Bger | next to the LW052A (a well known chip to us) |
| 13:17:15 | Nuxator | Forget me maybe my .rockbox is not up to date |
| 13:17:32 | Matt-UK | preglow: M3 has got FM capabilities, but isnt brilliant |
| 13:17:52 | B4gder | it never is |
| 13:18:00 | Matt-UK | well |
| 13:18:05 | Matt-UK | when i get rid of the remote |
| 13:18:07 | Matt-UK | its fine |
| 13:18:20 | Matt-UK | and have a direct headphone connection to it |
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| 13:21:10 | Bger | hm, this player is not at all bad |
| 13:21:19 | Matt-UK | Bger: how you mean? :) |
| 13:21:53 | Bger | i mean i like it |
| 13:22:20 | Matt-UK | well |
| 13:22:22 | Bger | the biggest thing that annoys me is the miss of display on the main unit |
| 13:22:27 | Matt-UK | well |
| 13:22:34 | Matt-UK | the new colour X5 has that :) |
| 13:22:51 | Matt-UK | and a possible M5 which is the monochrome version that has similiar specs to the M3 |
| 13:22:52 | Bger | hmm |
| 13:22:56 | B4gder | nooo, the biggest thing lacking is Rockbox ;-) |
| 13:23:03 | webguest11 | my wps has, TR: %s%?it<%?in<%in. |>%it|%fn> how do I stop the TR: from scrolling ? |
| 13:23:11 | Bger | B4gder i'm talking about the hardware :) |
| 13:23:16 | B4gder | :-) |
| 13:23:22 | B4gder | webguest11: you can't |
| 13:23:34 | B4gder | if it doesn't fit, it scrolls |
| 13:23:38 | Bger | the lacking software is as clear as it can be |
| 13:23:57 | Nuxator | right my rockbox was not up, to date |
| 13:24:03 | Bger | (as with all not rockbox-ed devices) |
| 13:24:11 | B4gder | Nuxator: you should always update with the full zip |
| 13:24:25 | Nuxator | yes but i've got some problem under linux |
| 13:24:40 | Nuxator | i upload all files but not all are written.... |
| 13:24:44 | Nuxator | do not know why |
| 13:25:29 | B4gder | never happened to me |
| 13:25:48 | Nuxator | guess it's this shitty fedora i have at work |
| 13:26:33 | Nuxator | i'm nort able to umount my iriver device is busy |
| 13:26:57 | Nuxator | so i guess write are not finished but no hdd activity... |
| 13:27:27 | * | Nuxator go back to work with rockbox playing |
| 13:27:32 | B4gder | so you just pull the plug without umount? |
| 13:27:40 | Nuxator | yes |
| 13:27:50 | Nuxator | and i know this is bad |
| 13:27:55 | B4gder | that could certainly explain the problems |
| 13:28:25 | Nuxator | yes but why can't i unmount.... |
| 13:28:47 | Nuxator | 1à minutes is enough for tranfer.... |
| 13:28:54 | Nuxator | -à 0 |
| 13:30:35 | preglow | don't do that in linux |
| 13:30:42 | preglow | it works fine in windows, not in linux, so don't do it |
| 13:30:51 | Nuxator | same here |
| 13:30:58 | Nuxator | but at work we are under linux |
| 13:31:30 | Nuxator | i had to asked to an laptop windows onwer to tranfer my rockbox |
| 13:31:55 | Nuxator | and i have a strange bug with usb in rockbox in both linux or windows |
| 13:32:08 | Nuxator | it stays in usb mode if i unplug it |
| 13:32:39 | Nuxator | but if i swith off the computer while iriver still pluged it exit usb mode when computer switch off |
| 13:33:42 | Nuxator | I found another bug |
| 13:34:07 | Nuxator | chose a file let the fisrt 2mo buffer end and click to another file |
| 13:34:21 | Slasheri | Nuxator: Maybe you are in the mounted iriver directory and that is the reason unmount fails |
| 13:34:27 | Nuxator | repeat and you'll finish to have a codec failure |
| 13:34:34 | Slasheri | you should cd to somewhere else before umounting |
| 13:34:49 | Nuxator | so it's gnome problem |
| 13:35:09 | Nuxator | i closed that window |
| 13:35:50 | Nuxator | or it's the fedora automount |
| 13:37:43 | Matt-UK | linuxstb or preglow: any progress of possibility with the M3? |
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| 13:38:59 | Matt-UK | if it is possible, i'll be pleasing some M3 fans on some forums :P |
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| 13:40:02 | preglow | of course there, is needs more research, though |
| 13:40:11 | preglow | find out how the firmware upgrading works |
| 13:40:16 | preglow | map out the rest of the chips |
| 13:40:35 | preglow | then someone will need to buy one and connect a bdm to it |
| 13:40:53 | preglow | this doesn't happen on its own, and needs someone to work on it |
| 13:40:58 | preglow | i've got my hands full right now |
| 13:40:58 | preglow | later |
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| 13:41:10 | Matt-UK | k |
| 13:46:45 | markun | Slasheri: Do you know what causes the premature end of the last song? |
| 13:47:56 | webguest11 | after recharging my H140 (1900mah) batt, it shows 13:07 total capacity ?, should be at least 20 hrs |
| 13:48:54 | webguest11 | and I have set it to 1900 in 'settings' |
| 13:49:15 | markun | webguest11: It's not accurate. |
| 13:49:21 | webguest11 | ah |
| 13:49:37 | markun | webguest11: the capacity also depends on the codec and the bitrate |
| 13:49:50 | webguest11 | uhuh, mp3's |
| 13:50:04 | webguest11 | lame aps |
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| 13:53:49 | amiconn | The runtime sestimation obviously can't predict what you will listen to, so we can only calibrate it for an average case |
| 13:54:26 | amiconn | It isn't calibrated at all yet, and I can just quote once more, rockbox for iriver is far from finished |
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| 14:01:46 | * | Bger just saw iPod Shuffle for the first time .. |
| 14:02:09 | * | dwihno calls the paramedics ;) |
| 14:02:18 | * | Matt-UK gets out a gun |
| 14:02:25 | Bger | i think someone must be very dumb to buy such thing |
| 14:03:30 | Matt-UK | bet the stuff inside it cost about 10 quid |
| 14:03:32 | dwihno | Bger: any certain reason? |
| 14:03:33 | Bger | btw where does this "i" come from in almost every digital player brand on the market? |
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| 14:03:46 | Bger | dwihno? |
| 14:04:01 | dwihno | Bger: Just wondering about the dumbness requirement :) |
| 14:04:11 | CoCoLUS | dumb or very fashion-conscious |
| 14:04:14 | Bger | iPod ... iRiver ... iAudio ... |
| 14:04:24 | Matt-UK | IAudio was the first :P |
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| 14:04:54 | linuxstb | Do iBM have a DAP? |
| 14:04:59 | Matt-UK | lol |
| 14:05:05 | Bger | haha :) |
| 14:05:15 | Bger | btw i asked seriously |
| 14:05:24 | amiconn | Bger: Archos players don't have that |
| 14:05:27 | Sucka | i have to agree |
| 14:05:34 | Sucka | this "i" is appearing on everything these days |
| 14:05:34 | Bger | yep :) |
| 14:05:37 | Sucka | pissing me off |
| 14:05:41 | CoCoLUS | iNTEL had one ;) |
| 14:06:24 | Matt-UK | why call the iPod an iPod? its a shit brick |
| 14:06:25 | dwihno | Bger: The "i" actually comes from the "e" which was quite popular during the internet era. Every oldfashioned technology got digitalized and became popular :) |
| 14:06:38 | dwihno | e-mail, for instance |
| 14:06:53 | Bger | but it's [i], not [ai] |
| 14:07:19 | linuxstb | In a lot of languages, "i" is pronounced "ee" (if you see what I mean). |
| 14:07:31 | dwihno | linuxstb: I rest my case :) |
| 14:07:40 | Bger | haha :) |
| 14:07:49 | Bger | ok, this is the same as in mine lang. |
| 14:07:52 | Sucka | but nobody pronounces it ee-Pod |
| 14:07:53 | Sucka | :P |
| 14:07:55 | Bger | but... in english ... |
| 14:08:04 | linuxstb | Maybe the Spanish do... |
| 14:08:06 | Bger | Sucka: yep |
| 14:08:19 | Bger | and "[ai]River ... catch the digital flow" |
| 14:08:22 | Bger | definitely [ai] |
| 14:08:37 | Sucka | those crazy spaniards! |
| 14:08:45 | linuxstb | I think I'm right in saying there are more Spanish speakers in the world than English |
| 14:09:15 | dwihno | probably |
| 14:09:17 | Matt-UK | you're correct |
| 14:09:38 | Bger | the most poeple in the world talk in chinese, don't they ? ;) |
| 14:09:39 | dwihno | As long as I can have my hamburgesa and cerveza grande, I'll be ok :) |
| 14:09:58 | Sucka | last time i checked, 1/6th of the population of the world is chinese so id guess so |
| 14:09:59 | Bger | people |
| 14:10:31 | Matt-UK | http://www.krysstal.com/spoken.html |
| 14:10:33 | Matt-UK | there we go |
| 14:10:44 | Matt-UK | Mandarin is the most spoken |
| 14:11:02 | linuxstb | It's a close run thing though. |
| 14:12:04 | Matt-UK | this is the updated stats |
| 14:12:04 | Matt-UK | http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0775272.html |
| 14:12:18 | Shagnar | are the problems with FLAC known that after listening to 1 song (flac) the next (also flac) has a lot of breaks? |
| 14:12:39 | linuxstb | Shagnar: Yes, I've found that. |
| 14:12:46 | Shagnar | all right :) |
| 14:13:04 | linuxstb | It seems to me that the buffer is being emptied - there is disk activity during the pauses. |
| 14:13:50 | linuxstb | But it could also be the fact that FLAC is only just managing to decode in real-time at the moment. |
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| 14:15:37 | Matt-UK | linuxstb, when is LinusN coming back? |
| 14:17:20 | linuxstb | I think he was away for a week, but I don't know. |
| 14:17:24 | Matt-UK | k |
| 14:17:41 | Matt-UK | dunno if he's developed any bootloader for the M3 at all |
| 14:18:19 | linuxstb | I think he's only worked on the H120/H140. He's got a H340 which I think he has said is his next target. |
| 14:18:27 | Matt-UK | k |
| 14:18:28 | Matt-UK | shame :( |
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| 14:19:34 | Bger | Matt-UK it's possible to port rockbox to M3 |
| 14:19:44 | Bger | at least it has the same CPU |
| 14:20:00 | linuxstb | I don't think anyone is against the idea of a port to the M3, it's just that we are all still busy on the iRiver models. |
| 14:20:00 | Matt-UK | true |
| 14:20:28 | Matt-UK | shame i have no developing or programming skills, lol. i would of been in there already |
| 14:20:41 | Bger | Matt-UK : the same CPU means more easy porting ... |
| 14:20:43 | linuxstb | If you want to try and start some momentum, create a Wiki page with as much hardware information as you can find. Include hi-res photos, lists of chipes, datasheets etc. |
| 14:21:03 | Matt-UK | ok |
| 14:21:10 | Matt-UK | when i get time, i will do |
| 14:21:19 | Bger | Matt-UK yep, that would be the start point |
| 14:21:44 | linuxstb | There's a lot of leg-work you can do. It obviously won't guarantee that a developer will start work on it, but it would help - especially if it turns out to be very similar to the iRiver. |
| 14:22:40 | Matt-UK | there's quite a few M3 users that would like to see this development |
| 14:23:32 | linuxstb | Hopefully there's one with the ability to actually start the low-level work. The Rockbox application itself should more or less work "as is" on the M3 - once the low-level stuff is written. |
| 14:23:46 | Matt-UK | cool |
| 14:23:55 | Matt-UK | i mean, the only difficulty is the screen |
| 14:24:05 | Shagnar | do you have a link to the m3 ? |
| 14:24:14 | Matt-UK | jus the normal product page? |
| 14:24:21 | linuxstb | Rockbox has a Voice UI (but not yet on the iRiver) - so in theory you can use it without a screen. |
| 14:24:34 | Shagnar | Matt-UK well yeah |
| 14:24:45 | Matt-UK | linuxstb: Voice UI would be amazing for the M3 |
| 14:25:15 | Matt-UK | especially if u dont want the remote |
| 14:25:28 | Matt-UK | Shagnar: http://eng.cowon.com/product/iAUDIOM3/about.html |
| 14:25:32 | Shagnar | thanks |
| 14:26:10 | Shagnar | hugh^^ never seen this thing ^^ |
| 14:26:32 | Matt-UK | well, Cowon are mvoing on with their new products, the G3, M5 and X5 |
| 14:26:33 | Shagnar | ... is there already any possibility to run the VoiceUI on the iRiver? i copied the CVS-audio-file in the /lang dir but nothing happened.. and its activated ?! |
| 14:27:11 | Shagnar | never heard... mmh i'll have a look |
| 14:27:34 | Matt-UK | its been very quiet in its publicity and promotion in europe and america |
| 14:27:39 | linuxstb | Rockbox on the iRiver (I can't call it iRockbox...) has a different audio sub-system than the Archos devices. The Voice UI functions aren't implemented yet. |
| 14:28:36 | Matt-UK | Shagnar: and i chose the the iAudio over the iPod because i didnt want to be stuck with a piece of shit :P |
| 14:29:01 | Shagnar | linuxstb thx |
| 14:29:11 | Shagnar | hehe |
| 14:29:41 | linuxstb | Do you have to use the docking station with the M3? Or can you just plug a standard USB cable into it? |
| 14:30:11 | Matt-UK | i do have the docking station |
| 14:30:29 | Matt-UK | but the actual USB port is not on the MP3 player body |
| 14:30:49 | Matt-UK | you have to connect a sub-pack on the bottom to give you USB, Line-In, Line-Out and power |
| 14:31:18 | Matt-UK | or use the docking station |
| 14:31:26 | Bger | where's the IAudio X5 ? |
| 14:31:49 | Bger | on the site i mean :) |
| 14:31:53 | linuxstb | Does it already do gapless playback? |
| 14:31:58 | Matt-UK | it wont be on the UK site yet |
| 14:32:05 | Matt-UK | gapless, not quite |
| 14:32:10 | Matt-UK | but has got better |
| 14:32:19 | linuxstb | Not even with FLAC or Ogg? |
| 14:32:35 | Matt-UK | Ogg is close |
| 14:32:38 | Matt-UK | not sure about FLAC |
| 14:32:45 | Matt-UK | http://www.cowonamerica.com/products/iaudio/x5/ |
| 14:33:04 | Matt-UK | the X5 might have gapless playback sorted |
| 14:33:19 | Bger | Matt-UK any ideas about the hardware of X5 ? |
| 14:33:37 | Matt-UK | i havent seen any details of it yet |
| 14:33:48 | Shagnar | markun wow... this one is REALLY nice |
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| 14:34:47 | Matt-UK | but the X5 must be very similiar |
| 14:35:02 | Matt-UK | but with an enhanced visual processor |
| 14:35:05 | Matt-UK | for the colour screen |
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| 14:41:37 | Matt-UK | Bger: Can't find anything about the X5 hardware yet |
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| 14:42:16 | Bger | :) |
| 14:42:56 | Bger | hm... display: 160 x 128 dot, 260,000 color TFT-LCD 15fps MPEG4 ... |
| 14:43:14 | Matt-UK | 160 x 128 must be the remote surely |
| 14:44:00 | Bger | i thought that it couldn't be Coldfire ... |
| 14:44:38 | Bger | but iriver H340 has display with 220x176 dimensions and is capable of 10fps MPEG4 |
| 14:44:43 | Bger | Matt-UK: see http://www.cowonamerica.com/products/iaudio/x5/info_features.html#specifications |
| 14:44:51 | Matt-UK | ok |
| 14:44:59 | Bger | just smaller screen |
| 14:45:26 | Matt-UK | people must not forget its an audio player rather than a multimedia system |
| 14:45:54 | Bger | 220x176 = 38720 px, 160x128 = 20480px |
| 14:46:04 | Bger | yep :) |
| 14:46:50 | Matt-UK | Cowon are pretty good with firmware updates as well :) |
| 14:46:54 | Matt-UK | pretty regular |
| 14:47:13 | Matt-UK | especially with a period with the M3, when there was one at least every 2 weeks |
| 14:47:37 | Bger | Matt-UK i don't think that *this* is a plus ... |
| 14:47:48 | Bger | for me it means buggy firmware ... |
| 14:48:20 | Matt-UK | well, there are some problems, but most of the time, they added more features rather than bug fixes |
| 14:48:39 | Bger | well, this is good |
| 14:49:22 | Matt-UK | :) |
| 14:49:38 | linuxstb | That's less motivation for a Rockbox port though. The iRiver firmware is _so_ bad, it's just not usable (for me). |
| 14:49:59 | Matt-UK | but i mean, its nice to have an alternative |
| 14:50:05 | Matt-UK | :) |
| 14:50:34 | Matt-UK | all would love to experiment with rockbox |
| 14:50:54 | Matt-UK | i* |
| 14:50:55 | Matt-UK | -all |
| 14:50:59 | linuxstb | I agree, but you have to weigh up the amount of work involved with how much better Rockbox is compared to the existing firmware. |
| 14:51:23 | Matt-UK | well, i don't know wether Cowon will develop many more firmware updates for the M3 |
| 14:51:53 | Matt-UK | its slowed right down since they've got the X5 in their hands now |
| 14:52:56 | linuxstb | The biggest problem (for me) with the iRiver hardware is the lack of hardware 48KHz support - we have to resample exerything to 44.1KHz. But you probably can't tell if that's the case with the M3. |
| 14:53:20 | Bger | linuxstb this is a problem with coldfire |
| 14:53:40 | Bger | i'm almost sure that it's there in M3 also |
| 14:54:08 | Matt-UK | i'm sure the M3 supports 48Khz |
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| 14:54:30 | Bger | Matt-UK : are you sure that it *outputs* 48KHz sound ? |
| 14:54:31 | linuxstb | But can you say that it definitely doesn't do software resampling? |
| 14:55:22 | Bger | iRiver fw also *supports* 48kHz, but these files are downsampled to 44.1kHz |
| 14:55:24 | Matt-UK | if it did that, it would slow right down needing more processing power |
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| 14:56:02 | Bger | preglow's investigations showed that downsampling from 48kHz to 44.1kHz doesn't need so much power |
| 14:56:06 | linuxstb | Not necessarily - resampling can be done very quickly. It's a compromise between speed and quality. |
| 14:56:25 | Bger | he did it with linear interpolation and it sounded very good |
| 14:57:10 | linuxstb | But I don't think 48KHz is a big issue for most people - I just have a large number of digital radio recordings (MP2 at 48KHz). |
| 14:57:59 | Matt-UK | having 48Khz for me isnt essential |
| 14:58:06 | Bger | http://www.iaudiophile.net/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1933 hahaha :) |
| 14:59:02 | Matt-UK | the lovely forum i'm part of :P |
| 14:59:09 | Bger | http://www.iaudiophile.net/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1923 |
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| 15:00:25 | Bger | I read in some post that M3 processor and the X5 one are the same, i havent any more information about. |
| 15:00:34 | Bger | one more coldfire beast :))) |
| 15:01:12 | Matt-UK | well, you'll have more to play around with the X5 :P |
| 15:01:35 | linuxstb | If there was a coldfire-based player that wasn't "end-of-life" (like the H120/H140 was when the port started), then I think lots of people would be very keen. |
| 15:01:56 | Bger | linuxstb the X5 is in the beginning :) |
| 15:02:02 | Bger | of his "life" |
| 15:02:06 | linuxstb | I'm sure once Rockbox is working 100% on the iRiver, all the existing Archos users will want to upgrade - but they can't buy H120/H140s any more. |
| 15:02:17 | Matt-UK | ebay? |
| 15:02:17 | Matt-UK | lol |
| 15:02:57 | bipak_ | hmm in germany you can |
| 15:03:49 | linuxstb | If you know a source of H120s/H140s, then you can probably become rich by selling them with Rockbox installed. |
| 15:03:53 | Bger | linuxstb they can buy H320/340 |
| 15:04:06 | Bger | as i did:) |
| 15:04:31 | linuxstb | Are they still making the H320/340? |
| 15:05:30 | Bger | linuxstb i was frightened at the end of january that H3x0 is out of production ... |
| 15:05:51 | Bger | http://www.teamdigital.net/store/customer/ <= this is the site i bought it from |
| 15:05:52 | bipak_ | Bger: are they doing anything new? |
| 15:05:55 | Matt-UK | doing a 48khz Wav test, it seems to play fine on my M3 |
| 15:06:52 | linuxstb | Matt-UK: Are you able to record the output? A frequency analysis of the original and the recorded versions could identify any resampling. |
| 15:07:10 | Bger | they are still selling new H3x0s |
| 15:07:21 | Matt-UK | this is a transcoded 44.1Khz file, but would that make any difference? |
| 15:07:32 | Bger | so i'm almost sure that iriver are producing them |
| 15:08:10 | linuxstb | amazon.co.uk have H320s "lite" models in stock. So yes, they do seem to be available still. |
| 15:08:39 | Bger | linuxstb H1x0s have been stopped when iriver started making H3x0 |
| 15:08:54 | Bger | but ... H10 series are not the next H3x0s .... |
| 15:08:58 | Bger | they are very different |
| 15:08:58 | Matt-UK | linuxstb: I transcoded a 44.1Khz file to 48Khz, would that make any difference in analysis? |
| 15:09:24 | Bger | so i don't think that iriver are planning to replace H3x0 with H10 |
| 15:10:02 | linuxstb | Matt-UK: I think it would be better to have a clean 48KHz file. But I'm only guessing that this would be able to prove anything - you would need someone experienced in that sort of thing to look at the files. Maybe raise the issue on the iAudio forums. |
| 15:10:52 | linuxstb | If you have any music DVDs, there is a good chance they will have 48KHz uncompressed LPCM audio on them. Or at the very least, 48KHz AC3. |
| 15:11:54 | Matt-UK | should have somewhere |
| 15:13:20 | linuxstb | But maybe just generating a sine wave would be more useful (someone who knows what I am trying to talk about, please jump in...) |
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| 15:13:35 | Matt-UK | i can do that on cool edit pro 2 |
| 15:14:23 | dapureplaya | hi |
| 15:15:09 | Bger | linuxstb do you mean the changing frequency ? :) |
| 15:15:09 | Matt-UK | linuxstb: I've produced a sine wave |
| 15:15:42 | Bger | forget :)... |
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| 15:20:31 | preglow | i've gotta stop reading the logs |
| 15:21:01 | HCl | why+ |
| 15:21:03 | HCl | ? |
| 15:21:06 | preglow | Matt-UK: has it got optical out? |
| 15:21:15 | preglow | HCl: i keep joining when something interesting happens |
| 15:21:23 | HCl | ah |
| 15:21:54 | preglow | you're going to be hard pressed to find out if it's resampling if you can't grab the pure output |
| 15:22:11 | preglow | unless you can hear sines around 22khz with a high degree of accuracy |
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| 15:23:10 | Bger | Matt-UK: ask your dog to help you :D |
| 15:23:31 | Matt-UK | preglow: the M3 doesnt have any opt out, but the coldfire supports it |
| 15:23:33 | preglow | i don't see why this is worth worrying about anywa |
| 15:23:35 | preglow | t |
| 15:23:37 | linuxstb | preglow: I was hoping you would drop by... |
| 15:24:13 | Bger | :) |
| 15:25:08 | linuxstb | When looking at a frequency analysis of a 48KHz file, and then a 44.1KHz conversion, I've noticed that the peaks move slightly. Does that make any sense? |
| 15:26:04 | preglow | depends on what you mean |
| 15:26:22 | preglow | the peaks might move across the scale because the scale is still the same size, but the top frequencies are gone |
| 15:26:31 | preglow | however, the peaks should by no means have relocated in frequency |
| 15:26:48 | Matt-UK | brb |
| 15:26:54 | linuxstb | I know it's not important, but I'm curious to know if it's possible to test if the M3 is resampling. |
| 15:26:54 | HCl | crud. |
| 15:28:02 | preglow | well, yeah, but you'd need a fancy signal and a good way of getting the signal |
| 15:28:24 | preglow | and when you have to record through an analogue output, there is so much filtering done, it gets hard to tell |
| 15:30:29 | preglow | but yeah, you need a relatively flat signal |
| 15:30:44 | preglow | if there's resampling done, you should detect a rolloff in the higher frequences |
| 15:31:01 | preglow | but that might be there anyway, with poor anti-aliasing filters in the dac and adcs |
| 15:31:38 | preglow | if they do non-compansated linear interpolation, you might also see a slight gain change |
| 15:35:15 | linuxstb | Well, maybe Linus could tell us if it's possible for the M3 to not resample. I don't know how specific the problem was to the iRiver design. |
| 15:36:43 | preglow | i2s module not being capable of the right clock frequencies, i think |
| 15:36:50 | preglow | so it's very probably a no-go for iaudio as well |
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| 15:38:31 | webguest11 | HDD players become redundant quickly, planned obsolescence |
| 15:39:25 | yngwi | hi guys, i just wanted to inform you, that gapless is working great, and most of the song-start-noises are gone too, great work everybody..... :-) |
| 15:40:51 | bipak_ | :) |
| 15:43:06 | yngwi | there is no reason for me to boot the original firmware except for recording purposes.... |
| 15:43:23 | yngwi | *bee gone* iriver firmware |
| 15:44:24 | Shagnar | and when you need longer playtime^^ |
| 15:45:35 | yngwi | yeah, but i'm sure that will change too |
| 15:45:48 | bipak_ | how long does the iriver play with normal settings and rockbox firmware? |
| 15:46:01 | preglow | depends on the format |
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| 15:46:36 | bipak_ | mp3 :) |
| 15:48:19 | Matt-UK | back |
| 15:48:21 | ashridah | it'll depend on the bitrate too, but some people have been doing some benchmarks recently. |
| 15:48:32 | ashridah | just don't think anyone wrote down the answers |
| 15:48:38 | preglow | i wish he did |
| 15:48:42 | preglow | the wiki's a nice place |
| 15:48:51 | * | preglow summons [solid] |
| 15:49:57 | Bger | preglow btw are we sure that the battery's voltage doesn't fall under 3V ? |
| 15:51:26 | webguest11 | if you want, I can do an endurence test of mp3 -lame-aps, 1900mah batt |
| 15:51:57 | preglow | Bger: by no means |
| 15:52:36 | Matt-UK | preglow and linuxstb: Looks like the Official Cowon site states the M3 can only support 11Khz, 22Khz or 44.1Khz |
| 15:53:00 | linuxstb | That sounds like the hardware limitations in the iRiver. |
| 15:53:05 | Bger | preglow: we *are* sure it doesn't falls or we *aren't* |
| 15:53:10 | Matt-UK | even though it plays 48Khz |
| 15:53:34 | linuxstb | I'm guesing that must have been via a firmware update - using software resampling. |
| 15:53:49 | preglow | Bger: like i said, we're by no means sure of it |
| 15:54:10 | preglow | Bger: the voltage readings don't work |
| 15:54:18 | preglow | Bger: that is, they work, but they aren't accurate |
| 15:54:23 | Bger | yep :) |
| 15:54:42 | Bger | 10x |
| 15:55:00 | linuxstb | Matt-UK: But as preglow said, it's not really a big issue. |
| 15:55:31 | linuxstb | Software resampling will be good enough for all but the most demanding listeners (which I am not). |
| 15:55:39 | Matt-UK | linuxstb: very true. the new X5s spec's show it can support 48Khz |
| 15:55:53 | Bger | preglow then i don't think that any of these run-time tests are usable atm |
| 15:56:18 | linuxstb | Matt-UK: But we still don't know if that's hardware or software... |
| 15:56:50 | Matt-UK | very true |
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| 15:58:20 | Matt-UK | but not having 48Khz support in the hardware doesn't bother me :P |
| 15:58:46 | webguest11 | Matt-UK, you haven't offered the right amount of beers :) |
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| 16:00:24 | Matt-UK | lol |
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| 16:03:49 | preglow | x5 uses the very same cpu, afaik |
| 16:04:25 | Matt-UK | proven? |
| 16:04:44 | Matt-UK | or some reliable source? |
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| 16:06:42 | preglow | dunno |
| 16:06:47 | preglow | i just remember having heard it |
| 16:06:50 | preglow | i'm pretty certain it's so |
| 16:06:52 | linuxstb | Possibly reliable: http://www.netzwelt.de/mp3-player/1375-cowon-iaudio-x5-20gb.html |
| 16:06:55 | Slasheri | Hmm, what conditions might cause open to file open a file that certainly exists? |
| 16:07:00 | Slasheri | fail |
| 16:07:02 | linuxstb | (google for iaudio x5 coldfire - lots of hits). |
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| 16:08:27 | Bger | Slasheri: too many open files (8)/dirs (8) ? |
| 16:08:28 | Matt-UK | so if it is the same chipset, the M£ should be a project |
| 16:08:29 | Slasheri | and it's ok to change MAX_LOOP in i2c-h100.h from 0x10000 to 0x100? |
| 16:08:30 | Matt-UK | M3* |
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| 16:09:05 | Slasheri | Bger: Hmm, that seems slightly not so possible situation but i will check that |
| 16:09:19 | Slasheri | *is it |
| 16:10:08 | Matt-UK | linuxstb: I just can't understand why the M3 cannot have a clock and struggle with higher bitrate OGGs and FLACs |
| 16:10:19 | Matt-UK | linuxstb: If it has the same chipset |
| 16:10:40 | linuxstb | Because the programmers didn't spend as much time optimising as we (preglow!) did. |
| 16:10:56 | linuxstb | Or the rest of the firmware is too cpu-intensive. |
| 16:11:00 | Bger | Slasheri : http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/firmware/common/file.c?view=markup see open() |
| 16:11:24 | Matt-UK | linuxstb: So do you think the M3 should be a possible rockbox project? |
| 16:11:39 | preglow | it struggles with high bitrate oggs? |
| 16:11:50 | linuxstb | My opinion doesn't matter - you need to convince someone who can do the work. |
| 16:12:23 | preglow | Matt-UK: like i said, of course it's a possible project, it sharing the h1x0 cpu certainly makes it easier than other players as well |
| 16:12:25 | Matt-UK | preglow: With the DSPs on (BBE, MP Enhance etc), the OS slows down |
| 16:12:52 | Matt-UK | preglow: especially when navigating songs |
| 16:12:54 | preglow | Matt-UK: but you need to find out the hardware details, you need to find out how we can inject a bootloader into a firmware, and you need someone to get a player and a bdm interface |
| 16:13:03 | preglow | Matt-UK: if you personally can't do these, you need to find someone interested |
| 16:13:15 | preglow | most of us here now are busy with h1x0 |
| 16:13:23 | Matt-UK | preglow: thats no problem |
| 16:13:34 | preglow | and i wont be buying another player that does what my h120 already does |
| 16:13:42 | preglow | so you should ask around in forums |
| 16:13:54 | preglow | maybe some m3 owner is a embedded programmer |
| 16:13:54 | Slasheri | Bger: Hmm, i will put some logfs to open and see what happens :) |
| 16:13:58 | Bger | preglow: you don't with your own money, but with donated ? |
| 16:14:05 | ashridah | doesn't the M3 already do fLAC? |
| 16:14:05 | ashridah | FLAC even |
| 16:14:14 | Matt-UK | ashridah: yes |
| 16:14:25 | Matt-UK | ashridah: But only officially supports modes 0, 1 and 2 |
| 16:14:28 | preglow | Bger: sure enough, but i've still got my hands full with h1x0 work for a long time to come, heh |
| 16:14:44 | Bger | heh, i know :) |
| 16:14:57 | preglow | but that work will also benefit iaudio players |
| 16:14:59 | ashridah | Matt-UK: ah |
| 16:15:02 | linuxstb | But almost all the work we are all doing on the H1x0 will be useful for the M3. So they are not unrelated. |
| 16:15:04 | Shagnar | which flag compression modes are the best to use it with rockbox ? |
| 16:15:05 | Bger | preglow: definitely |
| 16:15:18 | * | ashridah didn't know flac had modes |
| 16:15:32 | Bger | ashridah: it has ... -1 : -8 |
| 16:15:35 | linuxstb | I just use "flac -8" and that seems to work fine. |
| 16:16:09 | preglow | works fine, but is a bit heavier to decode |
| 16:16:12 | ashridah | Bger: ah, quality levels you mean? |
| 16:16:26 | linuxstb | There is only one quality level with FLAC - perfect. |
| 16:17:12 | Bger | ashridah: what quality with loseLESS codec ? |
| 16:17:13 | Matt-UK | linuxstb: as its a lossless codec :D |
| 16:17:32 | Bger | these are compresion "best good fast" etc |
| 16:17:43 | Matt-UK | linuxstb: the modes on FLAC are compression modes |
| 16:19:03 | preglow | oh well |
| 16:19:09 | preglow | rockbox should be able to handle all modes |
| 16:19:11 | preglow | it already does, afaik |
| 16:19:16 | preglow | and flac is severly unoptimised |
| 16:19:36 | Shagnar | no it doesnt^^ |
| 16:19:43 | preglow | it does here? |
| 16:19:43 | Shagnar | breaks in the track... |
| 16:19:49 | Shagnar | tried this morning |
| 16:20:38 | Bger | the good thing is <preglow> and flac is severly unoptimised |
| 16:21:07 | linuxstb | Shagnar: Do you get disk activity during those pauses? If so, I think it's a buffering problem, rather than a CPU problem. |
| 16:21:26 | Slasheri | Bger: the problem was too many open files (error -2) :) So there is a leak somewhere |
| 16:21:27 | Shagnar | linuxstb dunno, 1mom i'll check that |
| 16:21:59 | Shagnar | but... that only happend on the second flac track, the first one played worked without any breaks |
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| 16:22:21 | Bger | Slasheri ;) |
| 16:22:40 | Bger | hit from first try :) |
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| 16:22:48 | preglow | i will KILL my server |
| 16:23:14 | linuxstb | Shagnar: Yes, I've experienced the same thing (but only since yesterday), which makes me think it is a new bug. In the past, I had no problems with any of my FLAC files. |
| 16:23:26 | linuxstb | So I'm hopeful it can be fixed. |
| 16:23:37 | Shagnar | :) |
| 16:23:47 | * | Bger gives preglow one stick of dynamite |
| 16:23:59 | linuxstb | And as preglow says - there is still optimisations we can do to the FLAC decoder itself. |
| 16:29:30 | Shagnar | i love flac... it sounds much better than "normal" mp3s.. even better than oggs |
| 16:29:37 | Matt-UK | Anyone tried out the OptimFROG codec before? |
| 16:29:52 | ze | Shagnar: "normal" mp3s? as opposed to what other kind of mp3s? |
| 16:30:06 | ze | Shagnar: of course a lossless compression'll sound better than any lossy codec |
| 16:30:26 | Shagnar | no, juts wanted to say "normal" like "what is normally used" |
| 16:30:45 | ze | ah |
| 16:30:47 | Matt-UK | Shagnar: As in the usual 128Kbps Joint-Stereo MP3? lol |
| 16:30:47 | Shagnar | yes, thats right.. but i didn't think this difference is so huge |
| 16:30:58 | Shagnar | Matt-UK -___- |
| 16:31:01 | Slasheri | Interesting. I disconnected usb cable (while in bootloader usb mode) and got: ATA error: -11 and *PANIC* ata: -11. I remember i have got that message at least once before. However, reset worked (and it booted to iriver firmware). Then power off and rockbox boots again normally |
| 16:31:11 | ze | well it depends on the bitrate of the lossy-encoded files |
| 16:31:14 | ze | and also on your ears |
| 16:31:22 | ze | some people can't hear the difference, to others its obvious |
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| 16:31:39 | Bger | bye all |
| 16:31:49 | amiconn | linuxstb: FLAC definitely *does* have a cpu problem |
| 16:32:09 | amiconn | I have at least one track that decodes <100% realtime with flac2wav |
| 16:32:18 | Matt-UK | Ze: Or how good the source is, or how badly its encoded and whats encoded it. I've always prefered Franhoffer over LAME. |
| 16:33:07 | ze | Matt-UK: really? |
| 16:33:13 | ze | lame's generally considered to be better anymore |
| 16:33:19 | ze | though it does depend on what method you use |
| 16:33:25 | ze | there's some controvercy surrounding that |
| 16:33:37 | ze | i guess fraunhoffer's still better for 128kbps cbr |
| 16:33:42 | ze | but that sucks anyway |
| 16:33:52 | ze | its my understanding that lame's got it beat for higher-bitrate vbr |
| 16:34:01 | ze | i tend to use −−alt-preset standard |
| 16:34:17 | Matt-UK | Ze: I've done alot of live streaming and testing with shoutcast etc. Fraunhoffer always offered the better sound |
| 16:34:20 | ze | though i prefer to rip to ogg now that i got a player that supports it |
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| 16:35:16 | Shagnar | well... this morning in the train flac had a problem (breaks) now.. it works without any problems |
| 16:35:18 | Matt-UK | ze: I now encode my MP3s with LAME 224kbps for my M3 |
| 16:35:23 | preglow | i repeat, it's pure luck flac runs realtime at all, it's barely optimised |
| 16:35:29 | preglow | stop being surprised ;) |
| 16:35:53 | ze | Matt-UK: cbr still? |
| 16:35:57 | crwl | ugh, does someone still use CBR |
| 16:35:58 | crwl | hehe |
| 16:36:02 | Matt-UK | Ze: yup |
| 16:36:08 | ze | Matt-UK: why? |
| 16:36:16 | Matt-UK | Ze: To my ears, its no different than VBR |
| 16:36:26 | preglow | then i suggest you use vbr, it's smaller |
| 16:36:31 | ze | indeed |
| 16:36:46 | ze | the difference is just that cbr wastes space for the same sound |
| 16:36:58 | Matt-UK | Ze: I know you get better filesizes with VBR, but I want to keep quality all the way through :P |
| 16:37:29 | webguest11 | ? |
| 16:37:33 | Shagnar | now its buggy |
| 16:37:37 | ze | well the problem with that logic |
| 16:37:42 | niobos | Matt-UK: you should realy take a look at the file with MPEG eyes... some parts are just "this-is-some-filling-because-i-need-to" |
| 16:37:53 | ze | is that the other advantage to vbr is that it doesn't waste bits on stuff that doesn't need it thereby robbing them from stuff that does |
| 16:37:57 | ze | which is what happens with cbr |
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| 16:38:09 | ze | so you're better off using vbr to keep quality all the way through |
| 16:38:34 | niobos | it's like asking to WASTE 256kbit/second on perfect silence; something that will sound perfectly equal at 32kbit/s |
| 16:38:35 | Matt-UK | Ze: I'll give it a go from now on, but i'm not prepared to re-encode 50 CDs worth again, lol |
| 16:38:42 | ze | hehe |
| 16:39:04 | ze | yeah if i were to, it'd be a gradual process, if at all |
| 16:39:13 | ze | if you like them fine as they are there's no reason to |
| 16:39:13 | amiconn | Matt-UK: In order to get somewhat equal quality across all tracks, you'd rather *have to* use vbr |
| 16:39:21 | ze | though i've noticed that since i've started using better quality encoding |
| 16:39:37 | ze | i've been hearing the difference vs my older encodings and have been motivated to reencode them as i do notice |
| 16:39:41 | Matt-UK | Ze: I may try Fraunhoffer with VBR |
| 16:39:51 | ze | if you wish |
| 16:40:02 | ze | but again, fraunhoffer's specifically optimized for the 128kbps range cbr |
| 16:40:05 | amiconn | On one hand, cbr wastes bits is simple passages, on the other hand it degrades quality for compplex passages |
| 16:40:27 | * | amiconn can't type :/ |
| 16:40:30 | Matt-UK | anything above 192kbps Stereo, it becomes more transparent anyway |
| 16:40:40 | * | niobos wonders what MP3 coder you guys are using |
| 16:40:44 | Matt-UK | I know when something is Joint-Stereo, urgh |
| 16:40:46 | niobos | I use LAME |
| 16:40:58 | preglow | woot! |
| 16:41:06 | preglow | there's no click on track skip anymore! |
| 16:41:13 | preglow | niobos: doesn't everyone use lame? |
| 16:41:14 | Matt-UK | LAME at the mo |
| 16:41:26 | preglow | i sincerely doubt there are any other worthwhile encoders |
| 16:41:34 | preglow | perhaps frauenhofer's, but that costs money |
| 16:41:36 | niobos | preglow: donno, I know it WAS the best when I looked for it.. but it might be outdated by now :-/ |
| 16:41:40 | amiconn | Matt-UK: joint stereo is a thing you actually want, especially with lower bitrates |
| 16:41:45 | Matt-UK | preglow: Doesn't cost anything ;) |
| 16:42:16 | Matt-UK | amiconn: I hardly use lower bitrates for archiving my music |
| 16:42:23 | niobos | Matt-UK: the thing with J-S is that the codec should notice that it's TOO much stereo and switch to stereo for that frame(s) |
| 16:42:30 | * | amiconn uses the latest lame release (3.96.1) with −−preset standard |
| 16:42:56 | preglow | niobos: it's still being developed |
| 16:43:10 | Matt-UK | niobos: I've never liked the sound of JS |
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| 16:43:23 | amiconn | niobos: With all newer non-realtime encoders, the js <-> stereo selection is actually only a hint |
| 16:43:24 | preglow | Matt-UK: what does it sound like? |
| 16:43:26 | niobos | preglow: true, that's why I put the "SHOULD" in the sentence |
| 16:43:30 | ashridah | what, specifically, is joint stereo anyway? i've never really understood it |
| 16:43:46 | amiconn | The encoder will decide which one (js or stereo) gives better compression without losing quality |
| 16:43:53 | preglow | ashridah: it codes the channels in a mid/side representation |
| 16:43:58 | niobos | ashridah: instead to code Left and Right, you code the average and the difference |
| 16:43:59 | amiconn | For realtime encoders, this doesn't hold true |
| 16:44:21 | preglow | ashridah: if there's little difference between channels, the side signal will contain very little information, so more can be used on mid channel |
| 16:44:24 | Matt-UK | preglow: With my majority of rock music that has alot of Stereo elements, it just sounds flatter |
| 16:44:37 | ze | i didn't know there were any non-realtime encoders in the era of the gigahertz |
| 16:44:53 | ashridah | ah, right |
| 16:45:14 | amiconn | E.g. if you set the js bit on the MAS, all frames are encoded js, and as plain stereo if not |
| 16:45:28 | preglow | i don't believe that's a fixed rule |
| 16:45:41 | preglow | the mas doesn't exactly have a lot of cycles to spend doing anything but the most necessary |
| 16:45:43 | Matt-UK | I just don't bother with JS where possible, lol |
| 16:46:06 | niobos | Matt-UK: do you listen to FM radio sometimes? |
| 16:46:07 | amiconn | Matt-UK: If js sounds flatter, then either the quality you selected is too low (cbr ?!), or your encoder is crap |
| 16:46:07 | ashridah | ze: when was the last time you encoded 7-channel audio + hdtv video? :) |
| 16:46:23 | Matt-UK | niobos, i do sometimes |
| 16:46:28 | webguest11 | lame switches are optimised for js |
| 16:46:29 | niobos | FM is in JS... |
| 16:46:39 | amiconn | ze: lame is a non-realtime encoder |
| 16:46:46 | ze | ashridah: mp3 supports 7-channel audio? |
| 16:47:03 | Matt-UK | niobos: I prefer CD Stereo rather than Radio |
| 16:47:03 | amiconn | This has nothing to do with the fact that it actually runs faster than realtime on today's pcs |
| 16:47:06 | ze | amiconn: in a technical sense? cause i've gotten better than realtime on it since my k6-2/400 |
| 16:47:09 | ze | heh |
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| 16:47:16 | ze | amiconn: ok |
| 16:47:19 | niobos | Matt-UK: I do too, but not because the JS, because the bandwith... |
| 16:47:22 | preglow | my, lame sounds sweet now |
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| 16:47:26 | crashd | hey guys |
| 16:47:58 | ashridah | ze: well, okay, specifically for mp3, no :) |
| 16:48:25 | ze | hehe |
| 16:48:59 | ashridah | ze: i believe their point is that the encoder won't sacrifice quality in order to keep up if things get bogged down |
| 16:49:16 | ashridah | (besides, you could be encoding multiple streams at once, for say, a distribution server for a bunch of online radio stations) |
| 16:49:24 | ze | ashridah: ah yeah |
| 16:49:27 | * | niobos is off... back to the books... exam on thu |
| 16:49:32 | ze | ashridah: makes sense |
| 16:49:33 | webguest11 | if i install todays daily build, will it have the popless track changes |
| 16:49:49 | preglow | more or less, yes |
| 16:49:51 | preglow | not todays |
| 16:49:55 | preglow | you need the bleeding edge build |
| 16:50:21 | * | webguest11 sighs |
| 16:50:37 | linuxstb | IMO, you should always be using bleeding edge builds. |
| 16:51:11 | Matt-UK | Any of you guys think MP3 will die on its arse one day? |
| 16:52:20 | Sucka | when something better comes out :D |
| 16:52:33 | bipak_ | not even then |
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| 16:52:57 | bipak_ | the people know mp3 and it works for them... |
| 16:53:15 | Matt-UK | there are codecs that beat it already |
| 16:53:22 | preglow | mp3 wont die for a good while |
| 16:53:28 | crashd | Matt-UK: but |
| 16:53:31 | crashd | mp3 is a standard |
| 16:53:36 | crashd | so it aint going anywhere anytime soon |
| 16:53:39 | preglow | vorbis kicks mp3s as pretty thoroughly |
| 16:53:41 | preglow | so does aac |
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| 16:53:46 | Matt-UK | for the average joe, its become a standard |
| 16:53:52 | bipak_ | yep |
| 16:53:54 | crashd | that's what a standard is Matt |
| 16:54:18 | Matt-UK | not many average joes know technical stuff about computers, let alone turning one on! |
| 16:54:28 | crashd | exactly |
| 16:54:52 | Matt-UK | but thats probably where it will all change when the older generations die out ;) |
| 16:55:15 | ashridah | mp3 may be forced out of existence, but sadly, it'll be by DRM-based media, i'm betting :( |
| 16:55:36 | Matt-UK | WMA won't get too much further |
| 16:56:09 | Matt-UK | they're on their 10th attempt already with WMA10, lol |
| 16:56:34 | bipak_ | ashridah: why should they use DRM based media? cause longhorn wont play anything else? *g* |
| 16:56:48 | ashridah | it may not necessarily be wma |
| 16:56:55 | Matt-UK | very true |
| 16:56:56 | niobos | The sad thing about the DRM and copy-protection is: they try so hard to protect it that it won't even play anymore on "older" hardware |
| 16:57:24 | ashridah | if anything, it'll be the media companies that force the issue. if they make an intelligent choice and ditch cds alltogether, and make us get drm crap online, it'll be far easier for them to force the issue. |
| 16:57:35 | niobos | So I found the only way to play my new (bought!) CD in the car is to rip it... |
| 16:57:59 | ashridah | (intelligent for them, not good for us) |
| 16:58:02 | Matt-UK | niobos: why thats happened because organisations like RIAA were stuck in a big black hole not taking the oppertunity to use MP3, the pirates got there first |
| 16:58:34 | ashridah | i just rarely buy cds anymore |
| 16:58:34 | ashridah | works for me |
| 16:58:35 | Matt-UK | niobos: and P2P apps like napster that started the trend |
| 16:58:52 | Matt-UK | ashridah: you a student or at school/college? |
| 16:59:10 | Matt-UK | i love buying CDs, but maybe thats because i have a passion for music |
| 16:59:15 | preglow | haha |
| 16:59:21 | preglow | i try to buy all my music myself |
| 16:59:26 | niobos | P things... (according to the column) the polulartiy of Napster skyrocketed after the thing came in court |
| 16:59:28 | preglow | i can't stand just having it be files |
| 16:59:32 | preglow | files suck and get lost quickly |
| 16:59:42 | * | bipak_ buys vinyl records and hears only to DJ Sets :) |
| 16:59:44 | ashridah | student, currently. |
| 17:00 |
| 17:00:02 | ashridah | but i'm not at a college, since those rarely exist here. |
| 17:00:03 | preglow | i'm listening to vinyl as we speak |
| 17:00:04 | Matt-UK | ashridah: well, when you get money, you'll want to archive music |
| 17:00:06 | preglow | now there's a good format |
| 17:00:19 | Matt-UK | hard-drive based storage is not reliable enough to archive music |
| 17:00:25 | crashd | heh |
| 17:00:36 | crashd | the problem is that CD's are too expensive still, at proper retail |
| 17:00:39 | crashd | and |
| 17:00:40 | Matt-UK | I've lost my music too many times |
| 17:00:45 | crashd | the artists dont get the right percent cut |
| 17:00:53 | crashd | so all you're doing is funding massive multinationals |
| 17:00:53 | bipak_ | yep |
| 17:00:54 | ashridah | Matt-UK: i already do archive music. |
| 17:00:55 | crashd | not the music makers |
| 17:01:02 | Matt-UK | crashd: I can get CDs here in the UK for half or 3/4's their RRP |
| 17:01:09 | crashd | Matt-UK: so can i |
| 17:01:12 | ashridah | hahahaha. cds. reliable. ahhaha. hahahahah. HASHAHA |
| 17:01:12 | ashridah | dude, that's hilarious. look up the degradation rate of cds sometime :) |
| 17:01:12 | crashd | but the point isnt that |
| 17:01:23 | crashd | and cd's degrade, as ashridah points out l;0 |
| 17:01:26 | crashd | so what to do ? |
| 17:01:30 | * | ashridah notes he has, currently, 3 separate, synced, copies of all of his music |
| 17:01:41 | Matt-UK | HDs go much quicker |
| 17:01:50 | preglow | ashridah: now there's why i prefer vinyl!! |
| 17:02:00 | niobos | synced copies and offline portable HDD backup (out of sync by a week or so) |
| 17:02:01 | crashd | wtf |
| 17:02:05 | preglow | you have to play those to degrade them, heh |
| 17:02:06 | crashd | H10 jr supports ogg |
| 17:02:10 | crashd | but the h10 normal doesnt |
| 17:02:13 | Matt-UK | "The CD-R media manufacturers have performed extensive media longevity studies using these industry-defined tests and mathematical modeling techniques, with results claiming longevity from 70 years to over 200 years." |
| 17:02:19 | preglow | crashd: then it probably doesn't run arm? |
| 17:02:22 | ashridah | and that's the way it's generally staying (music server, main pc (where new stuff goes), and my mp3 player |
| 17:02:24 | Matt-UK | CDs still outlive Hard-Drives :P |
| 17:02:27 | crashd | preglow: i dunno :\ |
| 17:02:31 | crashd | i havent seen much info about it yet |
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| 17:02:40 | ashridah | preglow: yeah, because something that can melt in a hot summer day is so much better :) |
| 17:02:51 | preglow | ashridah: i don't often keep vinyl in my car... |
| 17:02:52 | ze | haha 70 years? |
| 17:02:56 | crashd | lol |
| 17:03:09 | crashd | cd-r's degrade in a matter of months if they arent stored in a cold, dark place |
| 17:03:12 | ze | or ya know 5 years till the silver's flaking off the label side and they're totally ruined |
| 17:03:15 | ashridah | man. i'll be about ready to marry rockbox when someone gets tone control working :) |
| 17:03:15 | preglow | ashridah: if you actually manage to have your vinyl MELTING, you're incompetent and need to be put in |
| 17:03:16 | Matt-UK | tell one HD thats lasted 70 years, or even 10, lol |
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| 17:03:28 | preglow | ashridah: i have it working |
| 17:03:30 | crashd | Matt-UK: ive got hd's from 1994 with data still on them |
| 17:03:37 | ze | there's hd's from the 80's still alive |
| 17:03:40 | crashd | not much use, for sure |
| 17:03:45 | crashd | but still they work fine |
| 17:03:46 | ze | hd's haven't been around for 70 years though |
| 17:03:49 | ze | and neither have cd's |
| 17:04:02 | ze | just because some model predicts they'll last that long doesn't mean anything |
| 17:04:08 | ashridah | preglow: yeah, well, come and experience our summers sometime ;) |
| 17:04:13 | thegeek | why assume that the storage medium has to be constant |
| 17:04:20 | niobos | I don't mind... in about 10 years I'll say to my friends; Blu-ray, what was that? |
| 17:04:21 | thegeek | I keep my music on two separate hd's |
| 17:04:24 | thegeek | in two different machines |
| 17:04:30 | thegeek | never lost anything |
| 17:04:38 | Matt-UK | surge protected? |
| 17:04:42 | thegeek | yes |
| 17:04:42 | bipak_ | niobos: hehe |
| 17:04:43 | ashridah | preglow: gimmegimmegimmegimme. the earphones my player came with don't really give enough kick without it |
| 17:04:45 | thegeek | the server is |
| 17:04:58 | thegeek | point is |
| 17:05:01 | ashridah | (my sennheiser's are much better, but are too bulky to wear out |
| 17:05:09 | preglow | ashridah: i'll commit it when austriancoder commits his uda changes |
| 17:05:11 | thegeek | it's not unsafe to keep it on a hd |
| 17:05:14 | preglow | someone bug him |
| 17:05:25 | Matt-UK | thegeek: for me it is, lol |
| 17:05:26 | thegeek | if you just always keep a backup |
| 17:05:28 | thegeek | hum |
| 17:05:29 | thegeek | oh well |
| 17:05:31 | thegeek | I mean |
| 17:05:37 | ashridah | holy sweet bejesus i'm lagged :/ |
| 17:05:38 | thegeek | your house could always burn |
| 17:05:43 | thegeek | or someone could steal your cd's |
| 17:05:47 | thegeek | that happens a lot actually |
| 17:05:53 | ze | yeah really the only way to ensure long-term data integrity |
| 17:06:06 | thegeek | with a hd your data wont degrade |
| 17:06:07 | ze | is to always transfer onto a newer data storage device before the old one dies |
| 17:06:12 | ashridah | heh. fair enough |
| 17:06:28 | preglow | i quite simply just dont like tying my music to my pc |
| 17:06:29 | Matt-UK | ze: but you never know when the older storage medium is going to die |
| 17:06:44 | ze | Matt-UK: yeah |
| 17:06:47 | Matt-UK | ze: before you get the new one |
| 17:06:47 | ashridah | anyway, i've got to hit the sack. got stuff to organise tomorrow. |
| 17:06:51 | ze | Matt-UK: so always have it on a few different ones |
| 17:07:05 | thegeek | where do you live ashridah? |
| 17:07:23 | ashridah | Matt-UK: actually, predictive failure gear in high end equipment is very good |
| 17:07:23 | ashridah | and RAID can guard against sudden death |
| 17:07:58 | ashridah | thegeek: too fricking far away from everything :( |
| 17:07:58 | ashridah | it's 1am here, and bloody cold |
| 17:08:09 | niobos | RAID helps to protect, but won't give 100% guarantee... if both disks fail simultaniously... |
| 17:08:17 | Matt-UK | i do have a SCSI external RAID device :P |
| 17:08:18 | thegeek | ;) |
| 17:08:30 | niobos | and I'm not making this up, I've seen 2 RAID-1 disks fail in an interval of 7 minutes... |
| 17:08:36 | thegeek | hehe |
| 17:08:37 | thegeek | fun |
| 17:08:40 | thegeek | that had to be a surge |
| 17:08:41 | niobos | NOT fun |
| 17:08:42 | Matt-UK | and RAID-5 is what you need |
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| 17:08:56 | niobos | especialy if that RAID-1 is the system-drive of a major mail-server... |
| 17:09:04 | Matt-UK | over the space of 5 disks |
| 17:09:09 | Matt-UK | you won't ever lose your data :P |
| 17:09:28 | niobos | Matt-UK: any RAID-?? will fail if more than x drives fail simultaniously |
| 17:09:44 | niobos | you can't beat Murphy... |
| 17:09:44 | Matt-UK | nope, if one goes, you replace it, and voila |
| 17:09:50 | niobos | as I said: |
| 17:09:58 | niobos | I've seen 2 drives fail in 7 minute interval... |
| 17:09:59 | Matt-UK | 2 goes, possible chance of recovery |
| 17:10:27 | niobos | RAID-5 over 5 drives will just REDUCE the chance of data-loss; but won't make it 0 |
| 17:10:28 | Matt-UK | niobos: if you've seen that, what makes them more reliable than CDs? |
| 17:10:29 | thegeek | well |
| 17:10:29 | Matt-UK | lol |
| 17:10:38 | thegeek | that is an extreme example niobos |
| 17:10:42 | niobos | I know |
| 17:10:57 | thegeek | the chance of two physically separate hd's failing in that short a time is very low |
| 17:11:03 | thegeek | if you keep the hd's in two diff machines |
| 17:11:09 | thegeek | and have surge protectors on both |
| 17:11:09 | niobos | My point is: RAID and backup's only REDUCE the chance of data-loss, they don't bring itdown to 0 |
| 17:11:19 | thegeek | nothing does;) |
| 17:11:20 | thegeek | and I agree |
| 17:11:26 | thegeek | raid is not that great |
| 17:11:36 | thegeek | better to keep two hd's in two different machines |
| 17:11:39 | Matt-UK | RAID is better than nothing |
| 17:11:42 | niobos | thegeek: my setup is exactly that: 2 machines rsyncing over changes |
| 17:11:49 | thegeek | me too;) |
| 17:11:53 | bill20r3 | <−−too |
| 17:12:08 | thegeek | thought I don't bother with rsyncing |
| 17:12:12 | niobos | point is that the "backup" lags a day (could reduce that, but it'll always lag) |
| 17:12:18 | thegeek | *though |
| 17:12:25 | thegeek | well |
| 17:12:26 | * | preglow is happy he doesn't have to deal with backing up :P |
| 17:12:43 | thegeek | ;) |
| 17:12:54 | niobos | preglow: you just pray??? |
| 17:12:57 | preglow | i ahtes it, i does |
| 17:13:08 | preglow | niobos: well, no, like i say, i've got all the music i care about on cds and vinyl as well |
| 17:13:17 | preglow | because i buy it |
| 17:13:27 | Matt-UK | preglow: same here |
| 17:14:08 | preglow | i like having my music on a medium separate from my pc, and a lot of the artists i listen to aren't that big, so i like knowing i support them at least a bit |
| 17:14:50 | linuxstb | But if you have any rare or hard-to-replace CDs, then just make copies for all your friends. |
| 17:15:06 | * | bipak_ backups his sourcecodes now |
| 17:15:27 | bipak_ | on a good old floppy :p |
| 17:15:34 | * | niobos trusts on crontab to do that backup... |
| 17:15:41 | linuxstb | Release it all as open source - let the world be your backup. |
| 17:15:53 | bipak_ | hehe |
| 17:16:07 | crashd | bweerr |
| 17:16:10 | niobos | well, I'm back off to the books... |
| 17:16:14 | crashd | mediawiki is so annoying sometimes |
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| 17:20:56 | webguest11 | yikes, that cvs stuff is not for the fainthearted |
| 17:21:24 | webguest11 | I'll stick to the daily builds |
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| 17:22:05 | yngwi | Webguest11:whats wrong with the bleeding edge builds? |
| 17:22:19 | linuxstb | webguest11: The daily build is just the CVS status at 6am - so it's not really all that different. |
| 17:22:58 | linuxstb | There's no extra testing for the daily builds. |
| 17:23:20 | webguest11 | there's nothing wrong with bleeding edge, just that it seems that you need cvs to install the stuff |
| 17:23:37 | webguest11 | but I'm out of my league here |
| 17:24:11 | yngwi | thats not true, the bleeding edge are in a nice zipped file just to unpack on your iriver, just as the dailys |
| 17:24:41 | linuxstb | The zip files are at the very bottom of this page: http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml |
| 17:25:15 | linuxstb | (one for each model of player that Rockbox runs on) |
| 17:27:18 | webguest11 | jesus, its that simple, I searched high but obviously not low enough for that, thanks |
| 17:27:44 | yngwi | :-) |
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| 17:43:32 | niobos_study | I'm wondering: does Rockbox read ID3-tags? or does it just get the info out of it's db? |
| 17:43:40 | niobos_study | in the first case: what file does the parsing? |
| 17:44:02 | niobos_study | (ID3 or FLAC or OGG or ...) |
| 17:44:50 | amiconn | rockbox reads the tags itself |
| 17:44:59 | t0mas | hm |
| 17:45:00 | t0mas | amiconn? |
| 17:45:06 | t0mas | is there a difference between these 2: |
| 17:45:07 | t0mas | inline signed short int synthVoice() |
| 17:45:08 | amiconn | The database is a recent addition, and is cvompletely optional |
| 17:45:10 | t0mas | or inline signed short int synthVoice(void) |
| 17:45:42 | t0mas | (asking because I don't know the inline stuff) |
| 17:45:44 | amiconn | niobos_study: ...which is imho A Good Thing |
| 17:45:50 | niobos_study | amiconn: and what .c file does the parsing now? |
| 17:46:05 | niobos_study | so I don't have to rewrite that thing for the songdb |
| 17:46:30 | niobos_study | amiconn: definitely A Good Thing! |
| 17:47:45 | linuxstb | niobos_study: This is still under development. I think it's the mp3data.c and/or id3.c files that are reading the tags from MP3 files. |
| 17:48:12 | linuxstb | At the moment, nothing apart from basic information such as length, bitrate, samplerate etc are being read from the other formats. |
| 17:48:56 | niobos_study | linuxstb: firmware/id3.c? is that him? |
| 17:49:00 | t0mas | amiconn? |
| 17:50:13 | linuxstb | niobos_study: Yes. |
| 17:50:22 | niobos_study | thx |
| 17:50:35 | linuxstb | That's the code that's used on the Archos players - so it's very well tested. |
| 17:50:54 | amiconn | t0mas: Both declarations should be identical, however, explicitly stating 'void' is more clear |
| 17:51:22 | amiconn | linuxstb: id3 parsing is there since a looong time |
| 17:51:22 | t0mas | amiconn: yes, if you don't do it gcc gives a warning |
| 17:51:37 | t0mas | amiconn: but... when I add void I get an error |
| 17:51:39 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, I know. |
| 17:51:56 | t0mas | amiconn: too many arguments |
| 17:51:59 | amiconn | Parsing other formats like apev2, vorbis comments etc is new stuff |
| 17:52:17 | linuxstb | So new it hasn't even been started. |
| 17:52:23 | t0mas | but a function like this: "inline signed short int synthVoice()" shouldn't take any parameters right? |
| 17:52:37 | amiconn | t0mas: The inline has nothing to do with that, but the declaration must always match the definition |
| 17:52:56 | t0mas | then someone wrote a bug in the midi code |
| 17:53:18 | amiconn | Doesn't surprise me |
| 17:53:18 | t0mas | it's declared there as: inline signed short int synthVoice() |
| 17:53:23 | t0mas | and called on line 390 with: sample = synthVoice(currentVoice); |
| 17:53:28 | t0mas | wich is impossible |
| 17:53:35 | t0mas | and when I change the declaration to void |
| 17:53:36 | amiconn | yup |
| 17:53:40 | t0mas | it ofcourse gives an error |
| 17:53:45 | amiconn | exactly |
| 17:53:48 | t0mas | before that.. gcc doesn't notice |
| 17:53:51 | pabs | foo() means any number of parameters |
| 17:54:03 | pabs | in ANSI C, that is |
| 17:54:10 | t0mas | hm... but you can't use them right? |
| 17:54:16 | amiconn | So the declaration is clearly wrong |
| 17:54:28 | t0mas | yes... |
| 17:54:36 | t0mas | but I should first fix the error... before fixing the declaration |
| 17:54:41 | pabs | it should be declared foo(void) if it doesn't take any parameters |
| 17:54:45 | amiconn | currentVoice is an int? |
| 17:54:56 | amiconn | (apart from not matching rockbox style) |
| 17:55:12 | t0mas | hm... |
| 17:55:15 | t0mas | I'll check |
| 17:55:20 | t0mas | it's global anyway... |
| 17:55:32 | t0mas | int currentVoice IDATA_ATTR; |
| 17:55:38 | t0mas | (global scope) |
| 17:56:13 | t0mas | man... that file is a mess... it's declared half way through the file... |
| 17:57:52 | t0mas | hm... it compiles when I remove the argument from the call... and make it a function(void) |
| 17:58:09 | t0mas | and it's still using that currentVoice (it's global) |
| 17:58:35 | t0mas | so I guess that kills the warning... and doesn't break midi |
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| 18:02:28 | t0mas | amiconn: sorry to keep bugging you... but a signed, unsigned compare... that's wrong.. and gives a warning... can I fix the warning with casting the unsigned to signed? (can give overflow trouble?) |
| 18:02:44 | t0mas | but that overflow values will give problems now too... |
| 18:03:16 | t0mas | and it would make the iriver build warning free :) |
| 18:03:30 | linuxstb | t0mas: That's inside libmusepack, so I think it's worth looking at it properly, and maybe changing the types of some of the variables. |
| 18:04:07 | linuxstb | I remember needing to do similar cleaning to libFLAC shortly after I committed it. |
| 18:04:25 | linuxstb | But yes, it would be nice to remove those final warnings. |
| 18:04:26 | t0mas | yes, I wanted to clean that |
| 18:04:39 | t0mas | but I'm not sure if it's a right way to just cast them.. |
| 18:05:23 | t0mas | changing the function declaration fixes all those errors... ofcourse... but I think it was unsigned for a reason :) |
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| 18:07:33 | yngwi | i wish i were able to help in the actual programming, but 'd have to learn c from scratch, and it's been years since my last programming attempts at school |
| 18:07:44 | yngwi | man, what fun that was :-) |
| 18:08:31 | t0mas | if you liked it... then why not learn it? |
| 18:08:47 | yngwi | because i don't have the time right now.. |
| 18:08:53 | t0mas | vacation comming? ;) |
| 18:09:27 | yngwi | maybe in july, or august, but then it would take months 'till i could do serious work... |
| 18:10:23 | yngwi | but I liked programming very much, it was the only technical thing i was pretty good at, which is pretty bad since it was a technical school |
| 18:10:36 | t0mas | it won't take months... |
| 18:10:40 | yngwi | hmm |
| 18:11:00 | t0mas | if you have the right feeling... you can learn C in a few weeks |
| 18:11:01 | yngwi | i tried c++ with eclipse a few months ago, but the time... |
| 18:12:28 | yngwi | it's a shame they didn't teach us c in school like they should, only pascal, and asm |
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| 18:14:02 | Moos | Hi all |
| 18:14:09 | yngwi | hi |
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| 18:18:39 | t0mas | yngwi: if you can do asm and plascal... you know how to code.. |
| 18:19:23 | yngwi | i could, 6 or 7 years ago, but yeah, i know the basics i guess |
| 18:21:42 | yngwi | i guess, i'll give it a try in july or so.. |
| 18:22:31 | yngwi | i'd really like to be able to write plugins for rockbox, i have a few in mind.. |
| 18:23:40 | yngwi | but of course i'd like to help with the "real" work, that needs to be done, but wouldn't i need some audio knowledge too?? |
| 18:28:26 | t0mas | well |
| 18:28:28 | t0mas | I don't have any ;) |
| 18:28:56 | t0mas | I've just done some work on graphics... the wps... and the remote... |
| 18:30:06 | t0mas | but what are your plugin ideas? maybe I can write parts of them for you? Then add a lot of comments... so you learn from that code? (not a really good way to learn it... as I'm not the best coder you'll meet.. but it's a start) |
| 18:31:26 | yngwi | for example, would you think, a notepad of some kind would be impossible? |
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| 18:32:26 | yngwi | i know, it would be petty difficult, to write something quickly, but then maybe some ideas from T9 (mobile phone) could be borrowed |
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| 18:35:10 | yngwi | damn, i can't remember any of the plugin ideas i had... i should have wrote them down, but i guess they come back eventually.. :-/ |
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| 19:00:28 | t0mas | yngwi: smart input was on my list too |
| 19:00:41 | t0mas | but I remember a GNU thing... for disabled people... |
| 19:00:51 | t0mas | usable with just an up and down button... |
| 19:03:53 | yngwi | what do you mean? |
| 19:04:25 | t0mas | it was some smart input system |
| 19:05:38 | yngwi | oh, with rockbox, you need only the "joystick", but you could change that so that you only need up and down, or do i get you wrong? |
| 19:06:57 | t0mas | yes |
| 19:07:12 | markun | There are also keyboard layouts that might be more efficient: http://www.fitaly.com/fitaly/fitaly.htm |
| 19:07:14 | t0mas | but you don't want to scroll the whole alphabet... everytime you want to type a char |
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| 19:07:40 | t0mas | so the gnu thing (forgot the name) had a smart sorting thing... |
| 19:07:45 | t0mas | to select needed characters first |
| 19:09:02 | yngwi | this is a interesting idea, to use an algorithm not only for the T9 thing, but also, which character comes next.... |
| 19:09:47 | yngwi | i'd never thought of that |
| 19:10:58 | t0mas | me neither |
| 19:11:08 | t0mas | I saw a disabled friend of me use it on his laptop |
| 19:11:11 | markun | t0mas: Was it dasher? http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/ |
| 19:11:44 | Shagnar | http://www.reichelt.de/inhalt.html?SID=17smifJKwQARIAACGjQkk2e68e18f7eab28b64ea74108e59f09d5;ACTION=3;LASTACTION=2;SORT=artikel.artnr;GRUPPE=C6992;GRUPPEA=C6992;WG=0;SUCHE=usb%20kabel;ARTIKEL=AK%2520673-A;START=0;END=16;STATIC=0;FC=669;PROVID=0;TITEL=0 thats the right USB-connector cable, isn't it? |
| 19:11:48 | t0mas | markun: it looks like it |
| 19:11:55 | Shagnar | oh sorry big link :| |
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| 19:30:43 | amiconn | Hmrf, seems my cellphone is broken :( |
| 19:31:17 | yngwi | :-( |
| 19:31:56 | amiconn | t0mas: Who the ??? is Seven? Seven of Nine? ;-) |
| 19:32:09 | t0mas | hm? typo? |
| 19:32:29 | t0mas | should've been sTeven :P |
| 19:32:33 | amiconn | Your 16:17 commit |
| 19:33:06 | t0mas | yes, typo |
| 19:33:09 | amiconn | You can correct the comiit message in cvs, however, the message on the website will stay |
| 19:33:17 | amiconn | *commit |
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| 19:36:35 | t0mas | amiconn: just emailed it... |
| 19:36:40 | t0mas | his name is a few lines up too... |
| 19:36:44 | t0mas | spelled right there |
| 19:37:12 | amiconn | How do you mean, emailed? |
| 19:37:19 | t0mas | mailinglist :) |
| 19:37:56 | Shagnar | does anybody know any modding-sites for the archos jukebox multimedia ? |
| 19:38:23 | amiconn | Ah, yes |
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| 19:53:05 | bill20r3 | anyone using an iRiver(w/ iriver firmware) on linux? |
| 19:53:31 | t0mas | yes, I am |
| 19:53:38 | Slasheri | Hmm, what do you mean about using on linux? |
| 19:53:44 | Slasheri | I don't have windows at all :) |
| 19:54:05 | bill20r3 | well, I've read some references to a tag database tool |
| 19:54:08 | t0mas | I have it somewhere... but it's like windows always is.. not really working :P |
| 19:54:23 | bill20r3 | I guess it just puts the ID3 tags into some sort of dbm file? |
| 19:54:30 | bill20r3 | I need to know what software I need. |
| 19:55:22 | t0mas | hm.. I don't use that database |
| 19:55:28 | t0mas | but there was a tool for it... |
| 19:55:57 | bill20r3 | without it you just organize your music in a file tree? |
| 19:56:11 | bill20r3 | /artist/album/song.mp3 style? |
| 19:56:30 | t0mas | yes |
| 19:56:48 | t0mas | like: /artist/year - album/track-nr - title.mp3 |
| 19:57:00 | bill20r3 | and if you use the database, can you still organize in a file-tree like that? |
| 19:57:32 | t0mas | don't know... I have it sorted like this because I didn't like the iriver database thing |
| 19:58:44 | bill20r3 | ahh. |
| 19:58:55 | bill20r3 | I guess I'll just give it a try. |
| 19:59:01 | bill20r3 | my player isnt' actually here yet anyway |
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| 20:58:36 | t0mas | ok, 1 warning left :) |
| 20:58:46 | t0mas | for simulator |
| 20:58:51 | t0mas | iriver build is now warning free :D |
| 20:58:51 | Moos | congratulations |
| 20:59:07 | t0mas | amiconn? printf() in simulator... what header should I include? |
| 20:59:30 | t0mas | not stdio.h I guess? |
| 20:59:50 | amiconn | Why do you want printf() ? |
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| 21:00:02 | Slasheri | crwl: now it is fixed :) |
| 21:00:29 | amiconn | There is no printf() in rockbox |
| 21:01:00 | t0mas | amiconn: simulator uses printf() |
| 21:01:11 | t0mas | and it causes a warning... because it's not in any header |
| 21:01:45 | amiconn | Yes... because rockbox doesn't have printf(), even not the simulators |
| 21:02:04 | amiconn | It is 'macroed' out for the target builds iirc |
| 21:02:13 | amiconn | (for the codecs) |
| 21:02:30 | amiconn | I wonder what codecs to have to print at all, they're low level stuff... |
| 21:02:36 | t0mas | #ifdef SIMULATOR |
| 21:02:36 | t0mas | if (log) printf("%c%02X", (effect<10)?('0'+effect):('A'+effect-10), value); |
| 21:02:36 | t0mas | #endif |
| 21:02:49 | t0mas | shall I change that to DEBUGF() |
| 21:02:57 | t0mas | that should have the same effect on simulator? |
| 21:02:58 | amiconn | Yes I think so |
| 21:03:09 | amiconn | Looks like it's debugging output |
| 21:03:38 | amiconn | DEBUGF() does output to the console in the simulators |
| 21:04:22 | t0mas | yes |
| 21:04:30 | amiconn | The #ifdef SIMULATOR surrounding it looks like it can go away |
| 21:05:07 | amiconn | On target, DEBUGF() is an empty macros unless you're building a debug build |
| 21:05:13 | t0mas | yes... |
| 21:05:16 | amiconn | (only possible for archos so far) |
| 21:05:28 | t0mas | but iriver builds are warning free now :D |
| 21:05:43 | t0mas | (unless my commit caused a new warning... but I don't think it did) |
| 21:06:10 | t0mas | amiconn: the define's can't be removed |
| 21:06:15 | t0mas | as the log var is simulator only |
| 21:06:15 | amiconn | gmini builds are not... but these are different warnings, mostly because it's a 16bit arch |
| 21:06:52 | t0mas | I can change that too... but I think the writer of the dumb thing can better do that kind of things |
| 21:06:56 | amiconn | 3 gmini warnings are caused by me :-/ but I don't dare to touch the scheduler code with no one around to test |
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| 21:09:37 | amiconn | The fact that 'log' is simulator only is probably not caused by the original dumb code |
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| 21:10:36 | t0mas | amiconn: no.. don't think so :) |
| 21:10:51 | t0mas | I guess it's because printf() worked on simulator... and didn't on target |
| 21:11:01 | t0mas | this should change to logf() I think? |
| 21:11:09 | preglow | anyone ever tried making a preemptive multitasker for rockbox? :-) |
| 21:11:16 | t0mas | lol |
| 21:11:21 | * | t0mas didn't :P |
| 21:11:28 | amiconn | preglow: That would be a bad idea imho |
| 21:11:51 | t0mas | preglow: saw my email? I contacted the musepack people... and they're adding the fixes we made to their next minor release |
| 21:12:25 | preglow | amiconn: yes, i agree, just wondered if anyone tried |
| 21:12:34 | preglow | t0mas: yeah, i read it just now |
| 21:12:57 | amiconn | t0mas: They should rather find a way to get rid of the 64 bit multiplies |
| 21:13:05 | preglow | well |
| 21:13:08 | preglow | they need 64 bit multiplies |
| 21:13:13 | preglow | but they're doing it in a bad way |
| 21:13:18 | preglow | that's really making my job hard |
| 21:13:44 | amiconn | Perhaps you could try optimising flac instead? :-P |
| 21:13:49 | preglow | no time now |
| 21:14:03 | preglow | i'm up to my bloody armpits in report writing that's been neglected for too long |
| 21:15:46 | t0mas | amiconn? DEBUGF() is defined in debug.h right? |
| 21:16:00 | preglow | and flac is so incredibly full of mallocs |
| 21:16:00 | preglow | arghhh |
| 21:16:11 | amiconn | t0mas: yeps... I wonder why the codecs don't get this |
| 21:16:26 | t0mas | hm |
| 21:16:28 | preglow | someone implement logf in plugins,btw |
| 21:16:36 | preglow | that would be nice |
| 21:17:14 | t0mas | if noone has done it tomorrow... I will |
| 21:17:20 | preglow | do it now, it's quickly done |
| 21:17:28 | amiconn | The codecs (as well as the plugins) should never include core headers directly, apart from codec.h / plugin.h |
| 21:17:29 | t0mas | yes, but I'm already late |
| 21:17:42 | t0mas | amiconn: dumb doesn't include codec.h :X |
| 21:17:58 | amiconn | That's... dumb :-P |
| 21:18:03 | preglow | btw |
| 21:18:20 | preglow | i don't know if anyone saw this yesterday, but i've got a heavily updated version of dumb lying around |
| 21:18:36 | preglow | http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~thomj/rockbox/dumb-k54-2005-06-13.tar.gz |
| 21:18:47 | t0mas | amiconn: and debug.h isn't in codec.h |
| 21:18:55 | preglow | if someone starts working on dumb, please integrate this |
| 21:18:57 | * | amiconn points to HCl |
| 21:19:11 | t0mas | hm? he wrote codec.h ? |
| 21:19:13 | preglow | hcl gave dumb a shot a month ago and promptly gave up |
| 21:19:14 | preglow | heh |
| 21:19:25 | t0mas | how dumb :P |
| 21:19:50 | preglow | it needs some medium fixed point massaging |
| 21:20:05 | t0mas | amiconn: shall I add debug.h to codec.h, and then add codec.h to dumb? |
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| 21:21:05 | amiconn | Simply using debug.h probably won't work |
| 21:21:09 | preglow | ARGH |
| 21:21:21 | t0mas | hmz... including codec.h in dumb.h doesn't work either |
| 21:21:25 | preglow | reading flac source code is like reading a ugly c++ program gone bad |
| 21:21:43 | amiconn | The codecs need to call rb->debugf() if DEBUGF() is defined, like the plugins do |
| 21:22:14 | t0mas | hm... including debug.h works... |
| 21:22:17 | t0mas | but it's not the right way |
| 21:23:15 | amiconn | It might work... but it *will* crash if the codec is ever run on another build than it was compiled for |
| 21:23:35 | amiconn | ..because the function address won't match |
| 21:23:37 | bollewolle | mkay, perhaps a dumb question, but should the playlist submenu be working for the iriver? |
| 21:24:36 | t0mas | amiconn: how should I fix it then? |
| 21:25:50 | t0mas | just include debug.h anyway? and note is should be fixed? |
| 21:26:02 | yngwi | yes it should, if you mean where you can add a file to a playlist ect. |
| 21:26:34 | amiconn | It's the same problem as making logf() available for plugins. Imho the solution should be similar to the DEBUGF() handling for plugins... |
| 21:27:03 | t0mas | amiconn: yes, but for now? |
| 21:27:19 | amiconn | ...which isn't perfect either, since it relies on the api pointer always being called 'rb' |
| 21:27:24 | t0mas | just include debug.h and note that we should start using plugin.h/codec.h and logf() ? |
| 21:27:32 | bollewolle | which button should I press, because for me it is not the rec button like mentioned in the wiki http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ButtonAssignments |
| 21:28:34 | yngwi | if you want to add files to a playlist, then you just press the joystickbutton on a file or folder long, then the menu should pop up |
| 21:28:44 | amiconn | t0mas: I would leave it as-is for now; there will be quite some changes when the codecs are separated from the plugins |
| 21:29:06 | amiconn | ...which will hopefully happen soon |
| 21:29:09 | bollewolle | oooooooh, well thanks |
| 21:29:19 | yngwi | np |
| 21:29:35 | amiconn | ...if only for stopping those 'I get IllInstr when I'm trying to run plugins' threads |
| 21:30:16 | t0mas | yes... |
| 21:30:18 | t0mas | that would be nice |
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| 21:43:38 | crwl | Slasheri, wheeeee :) |
| 21:44:10 | preglow | t0mas: wouldn't it have been more consistant to cast to mpc_int32_t |
| 21:44:12 | preglow | ? |
| 21:47:21 | t0mas | well... it's used on other places |
| 21:47:33 | t0mas | and the people in their IRC channel told me not to do that |
| 21:48:04 | preglow | why? |
| 21:48:16 | preglow | the code wont work on 64 bit platforms as it is now |
| 21:48:42 | t0mas | hm.. then I guess their other developer will ask me to change this again... |
| 21:48:47 | preglow | that is |
| 21:48:49 | preglow | it'll prolly work |
| 21:49:30 | preglow | but yeah |
| 21:49:41 | preglow | the fucntion you cast returns a mpc_uint32_t |
| 21:49:49 | preglow | which is quite obviously 32 bits |
| 21:49:54 | preglow | int might very well be 64 bits some places |
| 21:50:09 | preglow | i can't imagine why they told you to use int |
| 21:51:07 | preglow | reading doxygen headers is so FUN! |
| 21:51:16 | preglow | there are so many comments and i can't bloody see the frigging code |
| 21:53:24 | preglow | ARGHHH |
| 21:53:37 | preglow | good luck to the one who'll be optimising libflac |
| 21:53:41 | preglow | i sure as hell won't touch it |
| 21:54:50 | preglow | the decoder struct contains just two other struct pointers, one called private, and one called protected.... |
| 21:56:23 | t0mas | c++ like? |
| 21:58:02 | preglow | yes |
| 21:58:08 | preglow | he tries to mimic c++ with c |
| 21:58:10 | preglow | and he goes too far |
| 21:59:06 | preglow | the code is so bloated and heinous i vow i'll never touch it |
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| 22:04:56 | CoCoLUS | preglow: anything new on the bass/treble front? |
| 22:05:52 | preglow | CoCoLUS: nag austriancoder, i'm not going to duplicate his work |
| 22:08:35 | yngwi | you know his adress? i guess he lives in austria, i can visit him and give him a nice *motivation* :-) |
| 22:09:14 | CoCoLUS | as could i |
| 22:09:19 | CoCoLUS | lot of austrians here it seems :P |
| 22:09:35 | yngwi | :-) |
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| 22:09:44 | preglow | it's just a small, small patch |
| 22:10:02 | preglow | but he said he'd implemented the functions i need, so i wont duplicate his work |
| 22:10:31 | yngwi | yeah, sure, i can wait, though it is hard :-) |
| 22:10:36 | CoCoLUS | ok... but where is he? :) |
| 22:10:59 | yngwi | maybe on holidays with linus? |
| 22:11:46 | Moos | yngwi: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ChristianGmeiner |
| 22:12:46 | Moos | if you want mail he |
| 22:13:54 | yngwi | hehe, thanks though i think it's not neccessary :-) |
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| 22:14:46 | Moos | unfortunatly he had got problems with his iriver |
| 22:14:56 | yngwi | yeah, i forgot.. |
| 22:15:10 | yngwi | thats bad for him |
| 22:15:10 | Moos | :( |
| 22:15:26 | Moos | yes very bad |
| 22:15:42 | yngwi | i have mine since 2 weeks, but couldn't live without it anymore.. |
| 22:16:24 | Moos | me 1 years 1/2 and it works daily since the begining ;) |
| 22:16:25 | yngwi | i bought it just in time, so i didn't have to bother with the iriver firmware :-) |
| 22:16:48 | Moos | :) |
| 22:17:49 | yngwi | has any of you a iskin?? |
| 22:18:00 | Stryke` | i do |
| 22:18:14 | yngwi | is the dust attracting factor very annoying?? |
| 22:18:17 | Moos | here too arctic for my 140 |
| 22:18:38 | yngwi | 'caus i'd like to buy one, i dont like the original case |
| 22:18:50 | yngwi | ebony (the black) |
| 22:19:41 | Stryke` | i have carbon and the dust is not very annoying |
| 22:20:11 | yngwi | hmm because they mentioned it in some misticriver threads.. |
| 22:20:22 | yngwi | how do you like it? |
| 22:20:23 | Moos | with ebony and rushed colors dusts apear most |
| 22:20:34 | yngwi | yeah, i thought so.. |
| 22:20:40 | Moos | it's cause i bought arctic ;) |
| 22:20:47 | yngwi | hehe |
| 22:20:53 | Moos | don't apear |
| 22:21:02 | Stryke` | lately, the case has been a little annoying because there's no access to the reset in the iskin, but its perfect for all other uses |
| 22:21:31 | yngwi | hmm, i guess i'll get one next month.. |
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| 22:21:46 | Moos | Styke: you can pierce it a litle |
| 22:21:54 | Moos | it's just fine |
| 22:22:04 | Stryke` | yeah, i contemplated |
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| 22:36:33 | preglow | gOTTA GO |
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| 22:50:16 | Bagder | t0mas: nice work on the warning killing actions |
| 22:51:07 | Bagder | Slasheri: I _really_ think you should write stubs for the sim, and stop polluting the code with #ifndef SIMULATOR all over |
| 22:52:41 | Slasheri | Bagder: Hmm, that is a good idea.. :) |
| 22:53:02 | Bagder | :-) |
| 22:53:09 | Slasheri | I should do that ;) |
| 22:55:11 | Slasheri | Hmm.. should i add the stubs to playback.c because pcm_playback.c is not included in simulator build at all? |
| 22:56:30 | Bagder | you could add a new file in uisim/common/ for them |
| 22:56:45 | Slasheri | Ah, ok :) |
| 22:56:46 | Bagder | or as you suggested, whatever |
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| 23:05:01 | Moos | Hi Slasheri/Bagder |
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| 23:05:21 | Moos | Slasheri: what's about your bug list? |
| 23:06:12 | linuxstb | Does anyone have any objections to moving the metadata parsing code from playback.c into (e.g.) apps/metadata.c ? |
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| 23:06:42 | Slasheri | Moos: It looks now much more better than few days ago :) But still there is some bugs that should be fixed soon |
| 23:06:48 | Bagder | linuxstb: no, it sounds like a fine move |
| 23:06:51 | Slasheri | hi LinusN :) |
| 23:07:01 | LinusN | yo |
| 23:07:08 | linuxstb | Bagder: OK, I'll do it now. |
| 23:07:28 | Slasheri | linuxstb: i think metadata.c would be ok |
| 23:09:45 | Slasheri | Moos: if you could find any bugs that can cause crash (except plugin loading during audio playback), please tell me/somebody. Currently i don't know any critical bugs |
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| 23:10:49 | Stryke` | what about the last 20 second issue brought up at misticriver? |
| 23:11:20 | Slasheri | Stryke`: that will be fixed. The reason is known and solution being worked on :) |
| 23:11:32 | Stryke` | excellent |
| 23:13:51 | CoCoLUS | is anyone working on file tree display on the remote? |
| 23:15:00 | Slasheri | i think t0mas is working on that. but now i have to go, sleep well :) -> |
| 23:15:13 | Moos | Slasheri a ok, thanks it's fine |
| 23:15:25 | Moos | Bonsoir Linus |
| 23:15:39 | LinusN | bonsoir Moos |
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| 23:16:16 | Moos | tu passes de bonnes vacances? ;) |
| 23:17:12 | Shagnar | LinusN tu parles francais? |
| 23:17:31 | Moos | he speaks few languages |
| 23:17:55 | Plugh_ | I speak English. :) |
| 23:17:56 | CoCoLUS | und keiner kann deutsch :P |
| 23:17:58 | LinusN | Moos: nah, il pleut |
| 23:18:05 | Moos | :( |
| 23:18:07 | Plugh_ | and a little German |
| 23:18:16 | Plugh_ | a very little French and Spanish |
| 23:18:30 | Plugh_ | just enough to get me in trouble |
| 23:18:32 | LinusN | ich kann deutsch verstehen |
| 23:18:43 | Plugh_ | Ja, ich auch |
| 23:18:53 | CoCoLUS | nett |
| 23:19:15 | Slasheri | hehe, suomea ei taidakaan kovin moni ymmärtää ;) |
| 23:19:33 | Moos | :) |
| 23:19:34 | CoCoLUS | not that it matters much, seeing how much of computer/technology related terms are english in foreign languages as well |
| 23:20:04 | yngwi | OJA ICH ABER SCHON |
| 23:20:29 | Moos | waoh lots of languages here :) |
| 23:20:34 | Plugh_ | verstehen? schreiben? sprechen? Ich verstehe Deutsch besser aus ich schreibe oder sprech es |
| 23:20:40 | yngwi | Moos: und ich lern grad latein :-) |
| 23:20:41 | Plugh_ | I know I mangled that |
| 23:20:48 | CoCoLUS | yes you did. |
| 23:21:07 | LinusN | yngwi: odi profanum vulgus et arceo |
| 23:21:17 | CoCoLUS | ugh how i hated those 2 years |
| 23:21:29 | Moos | yngwi: latin and french are a bit similary ;) |
| 23:21:35 | yngwi | uh, hmm what could that mean.. |
| 23:21:46 | Plugh_ | I had a year of Latin |
| 23:21:51 | LinusN | errare humanum est, sed per omnium miscere, dator necessitus est |
| 23:22:26 | CoCoLUS | hmm |
| 23:22:28 | yngwi | hehe i did understand that :-) |
| 23:22:30 | LinusN | to err is human, but to really screw things up you need a compiter |
| 23:22:38 | LinusN | computer |
| 23:22:45 | pabs | case in point |
| 23:22:52 | Shagnar | ich verstehe auch deutsch :P |
| 23:22:57 | pabs | :( |
| 23:23:01 | Shagnar | LinusN which langs do you know? |
| 23:23:18 | LinusN | english, german, french, italian |
| 23:23:24 | LinusN | and latin |
| 23:23:33 | Moos | and swedish of course |
| 23:23:44 | tvelocity | wow |
| 23:23:47 | LinusN | but i suck at italian and german |
| 23:24:04 | CoCoLUS | it's quite surprising how many ppl are able to write latin considering it's a "dead language" |
| 23:24:09 | LinusN | i leraned german by reading 64'er |
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| 23:24:54 | Moos | Slasheri: I updating last bleeding eges for tests, if i find things t will tell you |
| 23:26:05 | preglow | someone please shoot me |
| 23:26:11 | LinusN | gee, it's really a pain to go from 8mbit/s to 56k |
| 23:26:20 | * | LinusN shoots preglow between the eyes |
| 23:26:23 | preglow | LinusN: i'll go from 100mbit to 28k8 in two weeks |
| 23:26:37 | preglow | imagine the transition |
| 23:26:40 | LinusN | preglow: then i would shoot myself :-) |
| 23:26:58 | preglow | yes, there's always the risk of that happening |
| 23:27:12 | preglow | i'll prolly move to some adsl capable place in not too long |
| 23:27:25 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Did you mean to put #ifndef _AUDIO_H at the top of apps/playback.h ? |
| 23:27:27 | CoCoLUS | you should consider yourself lucky for even having 100mbit for some time |
| 23:27:29 | preglow | using internet seriously on 28k8 is impossible |
| 23:27:34 | preglow | CoCoLUS: i do |
| 23:28:47 | preglow | someone please finish my gapless mp3 code |
| 23:28:53 | preglow | i can't stand gaps :/ |
| 23:30:02 | Plugh_ | maybe after adding mp3 headers to recording splits. ;) |
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| 23:35:02 | Shagnar | gn8 guys happy working :) |
| 23:35:24 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Another question: pcm_crossfade_start is a void function, but you check the return value in the audio_next function in playback.c (!pcm_crossfade_start) |
| 23:36:22 | Moos | Slasheri: wonderfull works still thanks; playlist work great now, FF/RW works beter idem for paused.... |
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| 23:38:35 | preglow | Slasheri: now for something completely different, does kihelmä mean anything in finnish? |
| 23:38:56 | preglow | "a with umlaut", utf8 is biting me |
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| 23:43:29 | Slasheri | preglow: yes it does, but i think you mean "kihelmöidä" that is a verb and means itch/tingle |
| 23:43:47 | Slasheri | linuxstb: it's not void anymore :) |
| 23:43:54 | Slasheri | Moos: great |
| 23:44:06 | Slasheri | linuxstb: i will add the ifdef tomorrow :) |
| 23:44:26 | Slasheri | now really nights ;) |
| 23:44:35 | preglow | Slasheri: no, i mean what i said, it's the name of an album i have |
| 23:44:43 | preglow | aight, nitey |
| 23:44:50 | Slasheri | ah, weird.. |
| 23:44:54 | linuxstb | Slasheri: I'll just change the #ifdef to say _PLAYBACK_H - I assume that's what you meant to do. |
| 23:44:55 | preglow | made by a finn |
| 23:44:55 | preglow | heh |
| 23:44:56 | Slasheri | it doesn't make much sense |
| 23:46:06 | Slasheri | but i doubt it means that itch or nothing ;) |
| 23:46:31 | preglow | hehe |
| 23:46:34 | preglow | doesn'tmatter |
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| 23:46:55 | preglow | i didn't expect it to mean anything anyway |
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| 23:47:10 | Slasheri | :) |
| 23:48:18 | Moos | héhé scuse we we don't leave you to sleep :) |
| 23:48:35 | Slasheri | ;D |
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| 23:48:44 | Slasheri | but now i have to go no matter what ;) -> |
| 23:48:49 | ghode|afk | hi, got a small "bug" i think |
| 23:49:07 | Moos | Slasheri: ;-) |
| 23:50:30 | ghode|afk | when i load up rockbox sometimes, the player gives no sound output. it loads up the wps screen, and the progress bar moves, but no sound appears, the only way to get it back is to go into the iriver firmware, exit, and then load rockbox back up again. |
| 23:52:02 | preglow | hmm |
| 23:52:11 | preglow | there's another guy having that problem as well |
| 23:52:15 | preglow | but i've never encountered it |
| 23:53:54 | ghode|afk | it's only just started happening the last few days. had a similar problem when mp3 playback was first implemented, but it seemed fix until now |
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