| 00:04:55 | amiconn | Slasheri: Your simulator warning fix is a hack that will crash badly if the plugin (that uses the codec) will be run on a core that is not bitwise identical to the one it was built for |
| 00:07:57 | preglow | open source ti dsp is far in the future yet, methinks |
| 00:08:29 | preglow | coldfire doesn't actually perform too bad compared to them anyway |
| 00:10:22 | * | t0mas is going to bed |
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| 00:12:10 | amiconn | preglow: Otoh, TI has something for you - an arm core ;) |
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| 00:14:33 | amiconn | Wow, cygwin switched to gcc 3.4.4 (native) |
| 00:14:50 | amiconn | ...and surprise! my win32 sims don't crash anymore :-) |
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| 00:18:40 | preglow | woot |
| 00:18:59 | preglow | arm is quite nice |
| 00:19:07 | preglow | musepack port would have been no problem if we had an arm |
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| 00:28:21 | Nuxator | Amicon can i ask you a somthing? What version of m68k gcc do you have and version of binutils |
| 00:28:40 | amiconn | binutils 2.16, m68k-elf-gcc 3.4.4 |
| 00:28:46 | DomZ | please finish the dev on iRiver before to move on Gmini ! :pp |
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| 00:29:19 | Nuxator | ok thanks my simwin32 keep crashing |
| 00:29:39 | bill20r3 | and on the H3x0 |
| 00:29:40 | bill20r3 | heh |
| 00:29:53 | Nuxator | Guess it's because i use gcc 3.4.3 for m68k and 3.4.4 for normal |
| 00:29:59 | amiconn | Nuxator: The m68k toolchain has nothing to do with the sims |
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| 00:30:27 | amiconn | What does gcc -v tell you? |
| 00:30:39 | hubbel | does any want to try recording on the iriver? trying to catch some bugs before checking into the cvs |
| 00:30:46 | amiconn | I just upgraded to 3.4.4 (was 3.3.3 before) |
| 00:30:55 | amiconn | That fixed my sim crashes |
| 00:31:09 | hubbel | some bugs = find bugs, i havn't got any "known" bugs with recording as of now |
| 00:31:15 | Nuxator | 3.4.4 special |
| 00:31:24 | amiconn | Hmm. |
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| 00:31:58 | Nuxator | cygming special |
| 00:32:05 | amiconn | Nuxator: I have to correct myself, the iriver sim still crashes :( |
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| 00:32:20 | Nuxator | :( |
| 00:32:21 | amiconn | *iriver win32 sim |
| 00:32:25 | hubbel | status is mic / line-in selectable, playback / recording at the same time, recording gain / volume settings, recording monitor enable/disable, dump .wav |
| 00:32:27 | Nuxator | same here |
| 00:32:52 | Nuxator | want to buil one sim to write my own wps without testing it each time on real player |
| 00:33:00 | Nuxator | i can't start it |
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| 00:33:19 | amiconn | I'll try building all other sims now, perhaps the dual-head addition for iriver x11 sim broke the win32 one |
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| 00:33:51 | Nuxator | was broken for few days now |
| 00:33:52 | amiconn | I had problems with all sims before. The sims itself started, but some plugins made them crash |
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| 00:34:10 | Nuxator | i can't even star it |
| 00:34:15 | amiconn | The crashing from plugins is fixed with gcc 3.4.4 |
| 00:35:00 | Nuxator | My sims crash from starting |
| 00:35:11 | Nuxator | I don't even see the sim window |
| 00:35:28 | preglow | DomZ: gmini is a very tricky platform.... |
| 00:35:35 | amiconn | h100 sim problem is some audio code gets compiled for the sim |
| 00:35:37 | Nuxator | I'll try a brand new cygwin install |
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| 00:35:44 | amiconn | Try running it from gdb, and you'll see |
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| 00:35:51 | preglow | hubbel: i'd love to |
| 00:35:57 | Nuxator | gdb? |
| 00:35:58 | amiconn | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 00:35:58 | amiconn | 0x020dad64 in audiobuffer () |
| 00:36:05 | bill20r3 | does the H3x0 line-in/mic do stereo or just mono? |
| 00:36:21 | amiconn | Nuxator: gnu debugger |
| 00:36:29 | Nuxator | never used it |
| 00:36:45 | * | amiconn points to Slasheri |
| 00:36:55 | San | any news on when the H300 port will start? |
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| 00:38:18 | San | it does sterio bill |
| 00:38:23 | Meddler | Guys, I've been waiting with baited breath since the beginning of the year (when I first stumbled on MisticRiver) for the RockBox project to become usable on my iRiver. All I can say is "Bloody Gorgeous Work". |
| 00:38:52 | bill20r3 | thanks San |
| 00:38:59 | HCl | when linus gets around to working on a bootloader for it, i guess. i also think we still need specs on its lcd... |
| 00:39:38 | CoCoLUS | does he even have a h3x0 ? |
| 00:39:48 | CoCoLUS | or a wigler for it? |
| 00:39:58 | HCl | i dunno |
| 00:40:06 | HCl | i *thought* he had one, but i'm not 100% sure |
| 00:40:06 | amiconn | He does; needed wiggler is the same afaik |
| 00:40:22 | Nuxator | the cpu is the same so i guess the h100 wigler should work to |
| 00:41:02 | thegeek | linus did say he has a 340 |
| 00:41:11 | * | preglow nudges hubbel |
| 00:41:14 | San | Is the H300prot going to be in B/W at first? |
| 00:41:25 | preglow | he has a h320 |
| 00:41:34 | HCl | i would say b/w at first is likely |
| 00:41:43 | Nuxator | yes even h100 hasn't his 4 grays |
| 00:43:02 | bill20r3 | hmm |
| 00:43:04 | San | ok, thanks |
| 00:44:35 | preglow | amiconn: hotpluggable remote is more responsive in rockbox than in iriver fw |
| 00:44:45 | amiconn | It's faster, yes |
| 00:44:50 | amiconn | It's a tradeoff |
| 00:45:12 | amiconn | If you make it react faster, and someone plugs it in too slow, it might not get initialised |
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| 00:47:32 | amiconn | It seems the h100 simulator crash is caused by a name clash |
| 00:48:00 | amiconn | buffer.c defines 'audiobuffer', and playback.c does too |
| 00:48:43 | amiconn | The types match, but usage is different... |
| 00:50:26 | amiconn | s/playback.c/pcm_ playback.c/ |
| 00:51:34 | amiconn | Hmm. The latter shouldn't get compiled for simulators |
| 00:52:22 | San | http://img55.echo.cx/img55/3880/mirc0ch.jpg |
| 00:52:24 | San | oops |
| 00:52:30 | San | wrong tap |
| 00:52:31 | San | sorry |
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| 00:56:11 | Nuxator | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 00:57:01 | Nuxator | in audiobuffer() |
| 00:57:35 | * | preglow does the 'we got recording!' dance |
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| 00:57:42 | bill20r3 | wewp |
| 00:57:44 | Nuxator | so my win32 sim crash because of audiobuffer? |
| 00:58:03 | Nuxator | recording in h1x0? |
| 00:58:15 | preglow | aye |
| 00:58:21 | * | Nuxator applause |
| 00:59:46 | spiralout | mhh i think it isn´t good when the h100 sounds like a floppy drive while loading, right ? :-/ |
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| 01:00:31 | bill20r3 | ouch |
| 01:01:10 | lostlogic | <3 people working on H3X0 support |
| 01:01:47 | spiralout | i´m just putting some data to my h140 via usb and it sounds like a floppy ...arg |
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| 01:04:43 | * | preglow doesn't miss floppies |
| 01:05:41 | MisticJeff | i'm hoping that recording will only be limited by the FAT disk config, correct? |
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| 01:08:29 | preglow | can't see any reason why it should be limited by anything else |
| 01:08:45 | preglow | does iriver fw limit it somehow? |
| 01:09:08 | bill20r3 | 200 megs |
| 01:09:19 | amiconn | Huh? |
| 01:09:32 | linuxstb | The only limit should be free disk space, shouldn't it? |
| 01:09:41 | amiconn | 2 GB per file |
| 01:09:44 | bill20r3 | yeah, it should, but the manual says 200megs |
| 01:10:02 | amiconn | (FAT limit) |
| 01:11:08 | preglow | hahhaa |
| 01:11:11 | preglow | what fools |
| 01:11:22 | HCl | why limit on 200meg.. |
| 01:11:42 | amiconn | HCl: Why introduce gaps? ;) |
| 01:11:43 | linuxstb | So the next model can miraculously increase it to 400meg... etc etc |
| 01:11:56 | linuxstb | amiconn: So the next model can remove them... |
| 01:12:02 | amiconn | hahaha |
| 01:12:06 | HCl | because i like having gaps between a metal song and a soft song. |
| 01:12:45 | linuxstb | I agree - unless two tracks are meant to be played continuously, I like a pause. |
| 01:14:13 | HCl | yea |
| 01:14:15 | * | preglow has a look at his empty glass and commands someone to send him free beer for all his agonizing work |
| 01:14:18 | linuxstb | I wish I never started looking at the ffmpeg WMA decoder - it's causing gcc to crash... |
| 01:14:43 | amiconn | Sounds like fun... |
| 01:15:03 | amiconn | Real crash, not even ice? |
| 01:15:16 | linuxstb | internal compiler error: in reload_cse_simplify_operands, at postreload.c:378 |
| 01:15:59 | HCl | time to work on getting gcc 4 to work ;p |
| 01:16:58 | preglow | linuxstb: target build? |
| 01:17:12 | preglow | linuxstb: what does it for a x86 build? |
| 01:17:35 | linuxstb | Yes - m68k-elf-gcc 3.4.2. x86 build is perfect. |
| 01:19:30 | linuxstb | I've just noticed another error message before the one I posted: "error: insn does not satisfy its constraints:" |
| 01:19:40 | amiconn | Mrf :( h1x0 x11 sim does the same as the win32 variant on cygwin |
| 01:19:48 | amiconn | linux build is working ok |
| 01:29:30 | amiconn | Huh? _function_ audiobuffer ?? |
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| 01:44:30 | webguest02 | is it possible to total the time that the HDD spins |
| 01:44:38 | preglow | eh? |
| 01:45:19 | webguest02 | forget it, stupid idea i had |
| 01:45:35 | amiconn | Argh!mrflp :( |
| 01:45:53 | webguest02 | was wondering if its possible to have total on time totaled and displayed |
| 01:45:58 | preglow | webguest02: you didn't exactly flesh it out much, so yeah, i'll have no trouble forgetting it |
| 01:46:01 | preglow | heh |
| 01:46:11 | * | preglow pats amiconn |
| 01:46:16 | amiconn | iriver playback code uses off_t !!! :(( |
| 01:46:27 | amiconn | That's bad bad bad on cygwin |
| 01:46:28 | preglow | anything wrong with that? |
| 01:46:32 | preglow | haaha |
| 01:46:42 | amiconn | off_t is 64 bit on cygwin |
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| 01:47:48 | amiconn | Do you now see why using defined types instead of generic ones is bad? |
| 01:47:48 | preglow | should it matter? |
| 01:47:52 | preglow | if it's used properly, it shouldn't |
| 01:47:53 | amiconn | Yes it does |
| 01:48:06 | preglow | you can't exactly compare off_t with int32_t |
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| 01:48:19 | preglow | one has a constant size everywhere, the other doesn't |
| 01:48:25 | stripwax_ | ello |
| 01:48:29 | amiconn | That's because of the two-part architecture of the rockbox sims |
| 01:49:04 | preglow | stripwax_: yo, 'sup |
| 01:49:15 | amiconn | Everyting in apps/ and firmware/ needs to use the rockbox types, only code in uisimulator/ needs to use the system types |
| 01:49:35 | preglow | then you need to put that down somewhere |
| 01:49:38 | preglow | it isn't readily apparent |
| 01:49:44 | stripwax_ | yeah, still failing to build iriver successfully :( always getting illegal instruction. i'm trying out a fresh cvs; if that doesn't work i'll try out a fresh cygwin install :-( |
| 01:49:54 | preglow | stripwax_: built your own tools? |
| 01:50:02 | amiconn | preglow: As long as this separation is done properly, everything is fine |
| 01:50:11 | stripwax_ | preglow - .. ? |
| 01:50:13 | stripwax_ | nope |
| 01:50:18 | stripwax_ | should i have..? |
| 01:50:18 | preglow | stripwax_: then you should do that |
| 01:50:25 | preglow | stripwax_: well, if all else fails, etc |
| 01:50:27 | amiconn | preglow: ...but more often than not it isn't |
| 01:50:32 | stripwax_ | - then someone should update the wiki to say so :-) |
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| 01:50:46 | preglow | stripwax_: the cygwin wiki is causing us tons of problems with the iriver port |
| 01:50:54 | preglow | most people come in thinking gcc 3.3 will do |
| 01:51:03 | preglow | feel free to update it, heh |
| 01:51:06 | preglow | i don't use cygwin |
| 01:51:29 | stripwax_ | preglow - well, until I updated the wiki yesterday, it actually said gcc 3.3.4 is the latest .. |
| 01:51:45 | preglow | amiconn: well, i for one haven't the faintest clue what coding guidelines apply |
| 01:51:49 | preglow | amiconn: and i guess i'm not alone |
| 01:51:51 | stripwax_ | do you know anyone who does use cygwin, -successfully-? |
| 01:52:00 | * | preglow points to amiconn |
| 01:52:03 | amiconn | stripwax_: me |
| 01:52:17 | stripwax_ | amiconn - ace. and you built your own tools? |
| 01:52:24 | amiconn | Built binutils and gcc 3.4.4 myself |
| 01:52:44 | amiconn | For gcc 3.4.4 you'll need the patch I added to the wiki |
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| 01:53:34 | stripwax_ | .. errrr... i'm reading this. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment what patch? |
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| 01:53:47 | stripwax_ | I'm also using 3.4.3. is that no good? |
| 01:54:11 | amiconn | The one attached here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment?topic=CrossCompiler |
| 01:54:24 | preglow | 3.4 of any kind should be good |
| 01:54:35 | amiconn | 3.4.3 should work too, but it needs a different fix (also on that page) |
| 01:54:43 | stripwax_ | preglow :) sure it should be. amiconn - which page?? |
| 01:54:58 | stripwax_ | not the one I'm looking at (unless I'm smoking something) |
| 01:55:15 | stripwax_ | oh, duh . missed that msg. |
| 01:55:30 | amiconn | Erm, wiki is a bit silly with linking. |
| 01:55:35 | amiconn | Shorter lik http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
| 01:55:45 | amiconn | *link even |
| 01:55:58 | preglow | i smoked crack during my last commit, it seems |
| 01:56:01 | preglow | so nothing is impossible |
| 01:56:06 | stripwax_ | amiconn - except I'm not building my own, I'm trying to install the lassauge tools. so do those not work then? |
| 01:56:16 | preglow | stripwax_: well, apparently not ;) |
| 01:56:32 | stripwax_ | preglow ;-) |
| 01:56:38 | amiconn | Didn't try them, since at the point I built my tools, there was only 3.3.5 for m68k, which I knew wouldn't work |
| 01:56:57 | amiconn | The lassauge tools do work for SH |
| 01:57:21 | stripwax_ | so who is this lassauge fellow and why are his non-working m68k tools mentioned in the cygwin wiki? ;-) |
| 01:58:23 | preglow | argh, shall i give in to tiredness or what |
| 01:58:27 | amiconn | The newer tools might work, didn't try them |
| 01:58:45 | stripwax_ | amiconn - well, they don't :-) |
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| 02:01:22 | stripwax_ | argh. also, one a fresh checkout, i need to run 'make' in the tools dir before 'make' in the build dir. didn't see that documented anywhere |
| 02:01:27 | stripwax_ | ^one^on |
| 02:01:37 | stripwax_ | otherwise it says convbld not found |
| 02:01:57 | stripwax_ | convbld^convbdf. late, tired |
| 02:02:16 | preglow | stripwax_: known glitch |
| 02:02:31 | preglow | stripwax_: i think bagder's looking for a clean way to fix that, that ALSO has a lot of people coming in here fooled, heh |
| 02:02:45 | preglow | it used to work |
| 02:03:30 | stripwax_ | maybe the wiki could mention it |
| 02:03:50 | preglow | add away ;) |
| 02:04:26 | stripwax_ | I'll wait for bagder to do that, only he knows what he's doing. i'll add that, for now, you need to run 'make' in tools first |
| 02:05:36 | hubbel | bass/treble is in the cvs |
| 02:05:53 | hubbel | also first checkin of recording support |
| 02:06:23 | hubbel | going to commit the debug-recoding-example later |
| 02:06:36 | hubbel | not tonight =) |
| 02:07:22 | stripwax_ | ok, .. win32 rockbox build crashes on startup too. is it just me?!? |
| 02:07:44 | amiconn | stripwax_: That's the prob I was talking about |
| 02:08:06 | amiconn | It crashes in a _function_ audiobuffer(), which doesn't exists |
| 02:08:14 | preglow | hubbel: sweetness |
| 02:08:17 | amiconn | There is only an array with that name |
| 02:08:42 | amiconn | Either type mixup (off_t is 64bit on cygwin), or some cygwin linker weirdness |
| 02:09:36 | stripwax_ | oh.. right! didn't realise was same problem, came into the middle of your convo. so I can't run sim or on target right now :-( I'll come back another day |
| 02:09:52 | preglow | why not just compile your own tools? |
| 02:09:54 | preglow | it's very easy |
| 02:09:56 | preglow | at least on linux |
| 02:10:06 | hubbel | preglow: actually bass and especially treble really sucks on the uda1380, just 2 bits.. |
| 02:10:14 | preglow | hubbel: no surprises |
| 02:10:19 | amiconn | It's not hard on cygwin either, only it takes a little longer |
| 02:10:19 | preglow | hubbel: luckily, i never use them |
| 02:10:25 | preglow | hubbel: my eq will rock more, i promise ;) |
| 02:10:32 | stripwax_ | preglow - because it's 1am and I gotta go to work at 8am ;-) |
| 02:10:38 | hubbel | preglow: looking forward |
| 02:10:39 | preglow | pfft |
| 02:10:39 | hubbel | =) |
| 02:10:56 | amiconn | stripwax_: Expect an hour or so for building the toolchain |
| 02:11:13 | stripwax_ | amiconn - probably what I'll have to do. like I said, not tonight though.. laters |
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| 02:13:48 | amiconn | Hmz, that would have been too simple :/ |
| 02:14:26 | preglow | hubbel: there, no red builds or anything |
| 02:14:52 | amiconn | Hmm, how is that tool called again that can be used to run a program and tells you the system calls etc?= |
| 02:14:56 | amiconn | - = |
| 02:15:02 | preglow | gprof? |
| 02:15:18 | preglow | *shrug* |
| 02:15:25 | amiconn | No, that's not what I'm looking for |
| 02:15:40 | amiconn | Linus mentioned it once, but I can't remember :/ |
| 02:16:06 | preglow | can't say anything pops to midn |
| 02:16:08 | preglow | mind |
| 02:16:52 | hubbel | preglow: time to sleep |
| 02:17:09 | preglow | agreed |
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| 03:10:09 | webguest18 | There's no easy way to ask this, so I will |
| 03:10:39 | webguest18 | Can someone help me get through the Make errors I'm encountering? |
| 03:11:13 | webguest18 | I swear I've searched everywhere on the RB site for clues, but haven't found anything |
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| 04:57:01 | kenshin | i just downloaded the source for a simulator build |
| 04:57:15 | kenshin | this is complicated on a debian amd64 box in a 32-bit chroot! :) |
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| 07:54:38 | Bger | amiconn: see http://www.misticriver.net/boards/showthread.php?t=23309 |
| 07:57:44 | amiconn | Already got a mail containing these, thanks :) |
| 07:59:45 | amiconn | Unfortunately win32 simulator builds on cygwin currently don't work :( |
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| 08:00:06 | amiconn | They try to call an array as a function, and segfault because of that |
| 08:00:21 | amiconn | Have to investigate why that is.... |
| 08:00:58 | amiconn | Erm, this is for h1xx only. Other win32 sims work, h3xx needs some work in addition to that pic |
| 08:02:01 | Bger | yea, i suppose so |
| 08:02:39 | Bger | i didn't read all of last night logs, but H3x0 has *one* button on his right side - hold |
| 08:02:59 | Bger | and reset pin on the left side |
| 08:03:02 | amiconn | Is it a switch like on the h1xx |
| 08:03:03 | amiconn | ? |
| 08:03:06 | Bger | yep |
| 08:03:10 | Bger | i can scan it for you |
| 08:03:37 | Bger | i didn't offer you my scans because my scanner is too bad ... |
| 08:03:42 | amiconn | Okay, the sim does not yet support hold, so it's not a big problem. It *might* be useful some time tho |
| 08:04:02 | amiconn | I'll try to do a h-140 scan showing the rockbox logo :) |
| 08:04:10 | Bger | then i think it'll be better to do it when it's necessary |
| 08:05:01 | Bger | ;) |
| 08:05:13 | amiconn | Already made a special build allowing this. Rockbox logo doesn't go away until I press REC |
| 08:05:18 | Bger | but i think that there is already one |
| 08:05:34 | Bger | somewhere in the wiki |
| 08:05:37 | Bger | iirc |
| 08:05:56 | Bger | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxShots |
| 08:07:10 | Bger | (a direct link from the home page ( 2005-02-08: <link>Evidence</link> of Rockbox booting on iRiver. ) |
| 08:09:30 | * | Bger must learn when and how to use "a" & "the" ... |
| 08:09:34 | amiconn | These are photos, not scans |
| 08:09:58 | amiconn | However, it would imho be a good idea if someone could do the same with a h-120 |
| 08:10:12 | amiconn | (scanning it that is) |
| 08:10:18 | Bger | yep |
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| 09:25:13 | bobTHC | mornin' folks ! |
| 09:25:18 | B4gder | morning |
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| 09:35:05 | john__ | hi guys, congrats on the great works, I have one quick question, has Rockbox's idle poweroff function worked on the Iriver yet, or is mine broken? |
| 09:35:45 | ghode|afk | mine works ok |
| 09:36:00 | john__ | hmm, strange |
| 09:36:25 | john__ | I set mine to 1min, and it didn't power off after even 5 mins has passed |
| 09:36:37 | john__ | I don't touch it, and it's not playing music or anything |
| 09:37:00 | ghode|afk | weird, :/ mine is set to 10mins and it always powers off |
| 09:38:12 | john__ | are you sure it's the idle poweroff, or you're talking about sleep poweroff, which is a different thing |
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| 09:42:37 | john__ | ok, I just tested mine again to make sure, set it to 1 min, and it's been over 3 mins now, still not turned off |
| 09:49:47 | ashridah | john__: the thread that checks it only occurs every minute, but it should work. do you have the a/c adapter in? |
| 09:50:26 | john__ | ashridah: yes, it's plugged in |
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| 09:51:18 | john__ | is it not supposed to worked with a/c in? |
| 09:51:25 | ashridah | john__: can you test that you're getting the same without it? |
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| 09:51:45 | ashridah | well, on iriver, yes, it's supposed to auto-poweroff in both cases, but keep in mind that the archos platforms only charge while on |
| 09:51:50 | ashridah | (iirc) |
| 09:52:12 | john__ | ashridah: ok, testing started 10secs ago |
| 09:53:05 | ashridah | and as i say, the thread that checks for it only wakes up once a minute, so it may be up to 59 seconds past the cutoff time |
| 09:53:38 | john__ | yeah, I'm not going to touch it until 5 mins :) |
| 09:54:07 | john__ | heh, it just powered off |
| 09:54:23 | john__ | so w/o the a/c it powers off as expected |
| 09:54:46 | ashridah | that's a regression then, i thought they'd set it up to power off regardless of whether the A/C is in |
| 09:55:10 | john__ | so did I :) |
| 09:55:11 | Bger | amiconn: are we OK with H3x0's scans ? |
| 09:56:40 | john__ | alright, thx ashridah , at least now I know so I won't be worried when I leave it at night :) |
| 09:57:10 | john__ | later and good jobs guys |
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| 10:18:13 | webguest44 | automatically playing the next album once all songs in current dur have been played would be nice |
| 10:18:26 | B4gder | use a playlist |
| 10:18:27 | webguest44 | dur=dir |
| 10:19:15 | webguest44 | bass and treble works fine, thank you |
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| 10:41:53 | Nuxator | hello |
| 10:42:00 | Bger | hi, Nuxator |
| 10:42:11 | pacroon | Has anyone seen rasher? |
| 10:42:27 | Nuxator | just a little question, why is there no view option une playlist submenu |
| 10:42:44 | Nuxator | une = in the |
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| 10:43:48 | B4gder | rasher (~3e4f4094@labb.contactor.se) signed off 2 days and 22 hours ago ("CGI:IRC") |
| 10:44:08 | B4gder | agggg |
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| 10:52:56 | Bger | B4gder any objections to add iriver H3x0 in datasheets wiki ? |
| 10:54:37 | B4gder | certainly not |
| 10:55:16 | ashridah | o.O |
| 10:55:30 | ashridah | why do bass/treble controls change with increments of 2dB? |
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| 11:10:53 | * | ashridah wonders if anyone's noticed that 2dB SHOULD be smaller than the necessary doubling/halving of the power level required to be able to detect it |
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| 11:15:18 | ashridah | hrm. bass starts clipping at about 8dB too. |
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| 11:37:19 | CoCoLUS | w00t b/t working now? :) |
| 11:37:35 | CoCoLUS | good news first thing in the morning |
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| 11:50:22 | webguest94 | Morning |
| 11:50:51 | webguest94 | the bass/treble on iriver is super |
| 11:51:20 | webguest94 | iriverbox |
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| 11:51:55 | webguest94 | i like the way the bass doesn't thin out when you increase the volume like on iRiver f/w |
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| 11:54:21 | ashridah | i like the way it clips at 8dB :) |
| 11:54:25 | webguest94 | does iriverbox have the pitch control? |
| 11:54:37 | webguest94 | well ashridah i know its an early bass control but its there |
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| 11:55:45 | webguest94 | a working peakmeter would be useful as well :-) |
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| 11:57:50 | amiconn | ashridah: 2 dB is the smallest hardware step for the UDA1380. On archos, we even have 1 dB steps |
| 11:59:01 | webguest94 | well since the iriver is software driven and has a much more powerful processor than the Archos, it should be capable of a lot of things |
| 11:59:50 | ashridah | but i can tell an audible difference between these so called '2dB' steps. that shouldn't be possible, should it? |
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| 12:00:05 | amiconn | bass/treble are audio codec functions and have nothing to do with the cpu |
| 12:00:05 | odd | your MOM shouldn't be possible |
| 12:00:09 | * | odd coughs |
| 12:01:17 | webguest94 | i know odd, yours should be though |
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| 12:01:37 | amiconn | ashridah: Even 1 dB steps are audible, there's no magic |
| 12:13:26 | Bger | are there any plans of using EEPROMs in irivers ? |
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| 12:25:08 | yngwi | hello, everyone |
| 12:25:25 | yngwi | grats, the bass and treble work great |
| 12:25:57 | yngwi | all i need now apart from optimized battery duration are some kind of magical wireless headphones :-) |
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| 12:36:28 | Bger | amiconn: r u here ? |
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| 12:37:36 | Bger | B4gder: u ? |
| 12:37:48 | Bger | one "electronic" question |
| 12:37:54 | B4gder | try me |
| 12:38:20 | Bger | please, see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverH3XXHardwareComponents#P23AF_LVX245_Low_Voltage_Octal_B |
| 12:38:29 | Bger | and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverHardwareComponents#_F_P22AD_LVX245_Low_Voltage_Octa |
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| 12:38:55 | Bger | is this *exactly* the same beast ? |
| 12:39:38 | Bger | i mean is this "P22AD" and "P23AF" just something like serial No etc ? |
| 12:39:53 | Bger | just a mark |
| 12:40:58 | B4gder | looking at the data page, those marks don't seem to indicate any difference |
| 12:41:17 | Bger | which data page ? |
| 12:41:25 | B4gder | http://www.fairchildsemi.com/pf/74/74LVX245.html |
| 12:42:17 | Bger | http://www.fairchildsemi.com/TopMarkSearch/opn_all.jsp?stat=74LVX245MX <= this explains everything |
| 12:42:36 | Bger | 10x ;) |
| 12:43:19 | B4gder | cool |
| 12:44:21 | Bger | corrected |
| 12:45:23 | B4gder | neat |
| 12:46:04 | B4gder | many "same" there now |
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| 12:47:06 | Bger | yep :) |
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| 12:49:07 | amiconn | Bger: Here now |
| 12:49:25 | amiconn | Btw, the Ondio uses almost the same, 74LCX245 |
| 12:50:05 | Bger | yep |
| 12:50:14 | Bger | i'm editing datasheet wiki atm |
| 12:50:14 | Bger | :) |
| 12:50:19 | Bger | btw |
| 12:50:37 | amiconn | Only difference seems that the 74LCX245 is 5V tolerant |
| 12:50:59 | Bger | just was about asking: is "8-bit"=="octal" :) |
| 12:51:50 | amiconn | 8 channel |
| 12:51:55 | amiconn | s |
| 12:52:12 | Bger | ops |
| 12:52:17 | Bger | just saved the page :) |
| 12:53:09 | Bger | iiuc i must change 8-bit to "8 channel" for LCX & for LVX |
| 12:54:36 | Bger | am i right ? |
| 12:59:19 | Bger | wow, this chip has been made since 1993 |
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| 13:07:04 | * | B4gder curses silly configure tests |
| 13:11:22 | Bger | amiconn: you've named it "8-bit" |
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| 13:14:44 | amiconn | 8-bit and 8 channel are both correct. With 8 channels you can obviously transfer 8 bits in parallel :) |
| 13:17:27 | Bger | i understand ... |
| 13:17:49 | * | San wants to thank Rockbok for the great Firmware |
| 13:19:02 | * | Bger wants to be able to say these words ASAP ... |
| 13:19:27 | B4gder | ;-) |
| 13:19:31 | * | San is waiting for the H300 port |
| 13:19:43 | Bger | same :) |
| 13:19:44 | * | San sticks the thumbs up |
| 13:19:58 | B4gder | nah, I think the misticriver guys will make one :-P |
| 13:20:15 | San | I am one of them MisticRiver goys |
| 13:20:24 | San | Iand ihey wont |
| 13:20:39 | * | San meens and they wont |
| 13:21:18 | * | San is wondering if that was a joke now |
| 13:21:25 | B4gder | it was |
| 13:21:39 | San | ok, my bad, sorry |
| 13:21:41 | amiconn | B4gder: Linux based? ;-) |
| 13:21:42 | B4gder | hehe |
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| 13:22:03 | San | they were trying to get that going, the linux |
| 13:22:26 | Bger | San: noone has *tryed* |
| 13:22:38 | Bger | they were just speaking.. |
| 13:22:51 | webguest49 | the jewel in the crown would be gapless mp3 playback :) |
| 13:22:52 | B4gder | but I found it hilarious |
| 13:23:02 | Bger | and you can't make firmware or port linux with speaking ... |
| 13:23:37 | San | I emailed the linuxiPod guys to see if they would make a port |
| 13:23:50 | B4gder | did they reply? |
| 13:23:56 | San | and BTW i said "tryed to get it going" |
| 13:24:02 | Bger | San: why do you want Linux ??? |
| 13:24:04 | San | and they didn't reply, ye |
| 13:24:06 | San | *yet |
| 13:24:20 | B4gder | they can hardly support their own platform |
| 13:24:37 | B4gder | I doubt they'll joyfully jump on a totally new one |
| 13:25:05 | San | i do want linux |
| 13:25:14 | Bger | San: H10 owners have more chance to make ipodlinux guys take a look at iriver |
| 13:25:20 | San | it would be better than the iRIver firmware |
| 13:25:30 | San | gapless and OTF playlists |
| 13:25:32 | Bger | San: rockbox too, don't you think ? |
| 13:25:33 | B4gder | I doubt that |
| 13:25:39 | B4gder | linux is sooo overkill |
| 13:25:45 | B4gder | on a device like this |
| 13:26:08 | Bger | San: the next step will be "i want windows xp on my iriver"... |
| 13:26:24 | webguest49 | no win95 |
| 13:26:41 | Bger | hah |
| 13:27:08 | Bger | no, i just wanted to say that this is portable device, made for listening to music on it |
| 13:27:17 | San | i did that |
| 13:27:19 | San | win XP |
| 13:27:23 | San | do you wana see |
| 13:27:49 | webguest49 | win XP on a 120mhz ? |
| 13:28:13 | Bger | rockbox is firmware for portable devices... which considered restrictions of the hardware... |
| 13:28:15 | San | yup |
| 13:29:07 | webguest49 | XP uses more than 32 megs of ram.... |
| 13:29:15 | San | yeah |
| 13:29:23 | San | i pimped out my H300 |
| 13:29:34 | San | i have a whole website about it |
| 13:29:38 | B4gder | right, as if that would be the only problem... |
| 13:29:40 | San | pimpin out DAPS |
| 13:29:49 | San | wana see |
| 13:29:50 | webguest49 | so what apps do you run on your h340, msword and... |
| 13:30:10 | San | dreamweaver, games,... everything |
| 13:30:13 | San | WMP |
| 13:30:17 | San | winamp |
| 13:30:25 | San | even got a mouse |
| 13:30:25 | webguest49 | must be incredibly fast |
| 13:30:33 | San | sometimes |
| 13:30:33 | * | Bger is interested in what kind of x86 emulator for m68k was that ... |
| 13:30:36 | San | crashes alot |
| 13:30:50 | webguest49 | just a few bugs I guess |
| 13:30:52 | B4gder | san is a misticriver dude |
| 13:31:01 | * | B4gder has lots of prejudice |
| 13:31:15 | amiconn | Bger: There are x86 emus for m68k, but they're sloooo-oooow |
| 13:31:20 | Bger | amiconn: yep |
| 13:31:36 | amiconn | I know, I have an Amiga, with PC Task |
| 13:31:41 | Bger | and on coldfire @ 120MHz and 32MB RAM ...:) windows XP :)))) |
| 13:31:46 | San | I am just messin guys |
| 13:31:50 | San | and you know it |
| 13:31:55 | amiconn | It tried Win95 on it... takes 5 minutes to boot |
| 13:32:00 | Bger | San: yep |
| 13:32:07 | amiconn | s/It/I/ |
| 13:32:07 | B4gder | amiconn: but it worked? |
| 13:32:08 | webguest49 | I also want to convert my music player into a slow computer |
| 13:32:09 | Bger | amiconn: dos boots for 30 sec ;) |
| 13:32:17 | amiconn | B4gder: Yes it worked |
| 13:32:31 | amiconn | Starting a small app takes 30 sec...2 min |
| 13:32:46 | amiconn | (Like e.g. wordpad or ms paint) |
| 13:32:58 | Bger | more likely notepad |
| 13:33:02 | amiconn | Emulating a '486 on 68060/50 |
| 13:33:03 | Bger | or hello world! |
| 13:33:29 | amiconn | Hey, notepad needs < 30 sec ;) |
| 13:33:34 | Bger | :)) |
| 13:33:58 | amiconn | DOS is actually usable btw |
| 13:34:01 | Bger | this is INCREDIBLY FAST |
| 13:34:12 | Bger | but ... DOS is ... DOS :) |
| 13:34:22 | webguest49 | carrying the keyboard around with your player is bulky |
| 13:34:42 | amiconn | PC-Task uses dynamic recompliation... otherwise it would be a lot slower |
| 13:34:43 | Bger | it's not impossible |
| 13:35:11 | Bger | webguest49 there are "plastic" keyboards... |
| 13:35:30 | Bger | you can roll up them into cylinder |
| 13:35:48 | amiconn | There's even a virtual keyboard, projecting the keys on the table and scanning finger positions |
| 13:35:58 | Bger | yep |
| 13:36:02 | Bger | for about $200 |
| 13:36:09 | Bger | $=USD |
| 13:36:45 | Bger | but it takes time to get used to it |
| 13:37:02 | webguest49 | voice to word |
| 13:37:12 | webguest49 | or speach to word rather |
| 13:37:46 | * | webguest49 is going to hack a p4 onto his h140 |
| 13:37:49 | San | how often do the RB team update the website? |
| 13:38:00 | B4gder | non-stop |
| 13:38:10 | B4gder | the "team" is very many |
| 13:38:16 | Bger | San: most of it is "wiki" site |
| 13:38:34 | B4gder | anyone can do it |
| 13:38:43 | Bger | so everyone (who make a effort to register) can edit it |
| 13:38:53 | San | oh, ok |
| 13:38:58 | San | that is good |
| 13:39:02 | Bger | yep |
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| 13:39:24 | Bger | for example, i just added "h3x0" column in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DataSheets |
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| 13:40:13 | Bger | amiconn ? |
| 13:41:26 | amiconn | yup? |
| 13:42:03 | Bger | wondering about adding EEPROMS in datasheets page |
| 13:42:13 | HCl | oi, the tiredness |
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| 13:51:22 | webguest49 | the navigating is a bit untuitive, pressing (joystick) play whilst viewing now playing |
| 13:51:47 | webguest49 | should take one back to the current songs directory |
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| 13:56:17 | amiconn | webguest49: Erm, the joystick does take you from wps to the browser, doesn't it? |
| 13:57:21 | webguest49 | its a bit confusing |
| 13:57:25 | linuxstb | webguest49: Were you playing music from a "resume"? If so, I think Rockbox considers the root directory to be the current directory - not the directory you were in when you turned off your player. |
| 13:59:00 | amiconn | linuxstb: It depends on the 'follow playlist' setting where you end up. This is documented behaviour |
| 13:59:48 | linuxstb | Is that a polite way of saying RTFM? :-) |
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| 14:00:00 | webguest49 | maybe its just me, but its more logical to either be taken back to the songs directory or playlist |
| 14:00:16 | webguest49 | lol I have read the ferkin manual |
| 14:01:26 | amiconn | It always brings you back to the browser. If 'follow playlist' is on, it brings you to the directory of the current song, if it's off, you'll end up in the last dir you were in |
| 14:01:41 | amiconn | ...which happens to be the root dir after reboot-resume |
| 14:01:59 | webguest49 | lol, must do more home work |
| 14:02:19 | webguest49 | on rockbox that is |
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| 14:06:13 | San | anyone try put the H100 port on the H300? |
| 14:06:53 | Bger | San: the LCD is DIFFERENT |
| 14:06:55 | Bger | at least |
| 14:06:56 | thegeek | it's not quite that simple |
| 14:07:11 | San | i was asking |
| 14:07:26 | Bger | even if it surprisingly runs ... you will not see anything |
| 14:07:26 | San | see if there is anyone stupid enough in here |
| 14:07:54 | Bger | i don't recommend you to be the first... |
| 14:08:08 | amiconn | I wouldn't dare to... |
| 14:08:13 | Bger | i'm 99.99% sure that it won't run |
| 14:08:30 | amiconn | You'd need to inject the bootloader in a H3xx firmware, then flash that |
| 14:08:31 | San | i like thoes odds |
| 14:08:36 | Bger | maybe even more |
| 14:08:42 | amiconn | If it doesn't work, your player is bricked |
| 14:09:11 | San | I need a paperwait |
| 14:09:17 | amiconn | ...and could only be salvaged by someone with a bdm wiggler |
| 14:09:27 | HCl | if he wants to.. |
| 14:09:32 | San | tthen i could donate to rockbox |
| 14:09:35 | Bger | ... help you |
| 14:09:58 | San | oh, yeah, how does a briked player help rockbox? |
| 14:10:13 | Bger | San: |
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| 14:10:14 | HCl | not... i'd say.. |
| 14:10:23 | HCl | linus already has an h3x0 |
| 14:10:40 | Bger | this thing "BDM wiggler" (BDM Stands for Background Debug Mode) |
| 14:10:53 | San | alright |
| 14:11:13 | * | San is getting confused |
| 14:11:22 | Bger | allows you to say the unit's cpu to run whatever code you want (and u're telling what to run from your PC) |
| 14:11:46 | * | San rushes of, hides in the corner, looks around and then vanishes |
| 14:12:06 | Bger | so you can even tell it "full the flash with this content" |
| 14:12:37 | Bger | of course, u must know 68k assembly ... and many other things ... |
| 14:13:56 | Bger | that's the way linus started H1x0 port ... |
| 14:15:42 | Shagnar | if the player is broken cause of a failed flash... its broken for ever or are there any ways of repairung? |
| 14:16:00 | Bger | Shagnar: if the hardware is working, there is a way |
| 14:16:21 | Bger | ant the way is what i talked about above |
| 14:16:26 | Bger | and |
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| 14:59:53 | Bger | hi pre-post-glow ;) |
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| 15:00:15 | preglow | hello |
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| 15:08:01 | preglow | who the hell is that guy! |
| 15:08:41 | Bger | someone who is fck*ng with you :) |
| 15:08:57 | HCl | heh |
| 15:09:08 | HCl | isn't the 3e08 bit his ip? |
| 15:09:11 | Sucka | :O |
| 15:09:15 | * | HCl goes to trace. |
| 15:09:24 | Bger | hahhahaha |
| 15:09:24 | Bger | :D |
| 15:10:14 | HCl | 66-142-8-62.ded.swbell.net |
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| 15:10:26 | Bger | hm |
| 15:10:41 | Bger | HCl convert 53dea058 in decimal pls :) |
| 15:10:53 | HCl | mmm, use windows calculator |
| 15:10:55 | HCl | i got a headache :/ |
| 15:11:07 | Bger | yep:) |
| 15:11:22 | preglow | no one on this channel |
| 15:11:22 | preglow | ahah |
| 15:11:24 | Bger | yep, this is the IP |
| 15:11:29 | preglow | oh well |
| 15:11:39 | preglow | we'll just call him my evil twin and be done with it |
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| 15:13:18 | preglow | anyone got the url to the latest misticriver µclinux thread? :P |
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| 15:14:07 | HCl | heh |
| 15:14:40 | preglow | found it! |
| 15:14:46 | Bger | give it !!!!! |
| 15:14:47 | HCl | url? |
| 15:15:45 | preglow | http://www.misticriver.net/boards/showthread.php?t=23005 |
| 15:16:19 | bger2 | bye from me :P |
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| 15:16:59 | preglow | people who believe porting the linux kernel alone will give a marvelous dap experience, really needs to learn some fundementals |
| 15:17:10 | Bger | San: are you sanitarium @ MR ? |
| 15:18:40 | preglow | there already is a coldfire uclinux port |
| 15:18:57 | preglow | so i wonder what this deal is about |
| 15:24:57 | preglow | doesn't seem to be too many developers over there |
| 15:26:35 | HCl | people are idiots.. |
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| 15:35:56 | Moos | Bger: Hi, yes probably San=sanitarium from MR |
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| 15:51:29 | markun | saluton! |
| 15:52:00 | Moos | hi markun :-) |
| 15:52:29 | markun | Hi Moos |
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| 16:08:10 | Bger | amiconn, Bagder: any idea what's this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverH3XXHardwareComponents#Unknown_Chip ? you can see it better here : http://lostlogicx.com/images/pics/iriver/p2070015.jpg on the top left of the picture, next to the yellow plug for the charging adapter |
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| 16:10:51 | dwihno | erhm |
| 16:10:53 | dwihno | wait a minute |
| 16:10:56 | dwihno | Bger != Bagder? |
| 16:11:17 | Bger | dwihno: of course :) |
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| 16:11:44 | dwihno | haw haw. I really thought it was just one of the thousand nicks fo Bagder |
| 16:13:11 | Bger | i don't think we have anything common except for the fact that both of us are in europe ... |
| 16:13:24 | dwihno | Sure you do. |
| 16:13:27 | dwihno | Bger = Bagder |
| 16:13:55 | Bger | ;) |
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| 16:14:01 | * | Bger writes down a notice |
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| 16:33:01 | San | anyone in the mood to port the iRiver H300? |
| 16:33:32 | t0mas | always |
| 16:33:32 | Bger | San: i said something before ... we are waiting for Linus ... |
| 16:33:41 | ashridah | San: there's been some organisation in that direction recently. |
| 16:33:45 | t0mas | but I'm not the one writing bootloaders here |
| 16:33:46 | Bger | only he can start the port for now |
| 16:34:10 | San | THANK YOU!!!!!!! |
| 16:34:25 | Bger | :P |
| 16:34:28 | Bger | just relax |
| 16:34:51 | Bger | and wait till h100 port became more stable |
| 16:35:04 | Bger | nite from me to all |
| 16:37:58 | muesli- | errm did you mean you are starting to port rbx to 3xx series? |
| 16:39:24 | HCl | linus is busy enough as it is, and we still don't know what lcd it is. |
| 16:39:53 | muesli- | ah k |
| 16:40:28 | muesli- | but basically once the bootloader is written it should be easy to port? |
| 16:43:39 | muesli- | l8er.. |
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| 16:47:16 | preglow | once we've got a bootloader, we'll more or less only need a lcd driver, and h3x0 will be where h1x0 is now |
| 16:49:56 | preglow | Slasheri: have you mailed gabriel bouvigne about mp3 gapless? if not, i think i'll send him a quick mail |
| 16:50:59 | markun | preglow: If we get the browser and wps on the remote people with H3xx and lcd remote could use rockbox when the bootloader is made. |
| 16:51:33 | HCl | good point markun |
| 16:51:45 | HCl | god i'm glad the two aspirin tablets are finally kicking in |
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| 16:52:55 | Slasheri | preglow: i haven't done that so please do if you want to :) |
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| 16:57:12 | yngwi | has it happened to someone else except me, that rockbox doesn't remember the bass settings sometimes after shutdown? |
| 16:57:53 | preglow | yes |
| 16:57:59 | yngwi | ok thanks |
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| 17:00:16 | yngwi | ps.: the sound is pretty good, even with my headphones :-) |
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| 17:00:47 | preglow | hmm, balance isn't implemented yet |
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| 17:03:07 | HCl | hm... |
| 17:03:15 | HCl | its not good to feel hot when you're actually quite cold, is it :/ |
| 17:03:30 | yngwi | no |
| 17:03:36 | yngwi | except it is excitement |
| 17:03:40 | yngwi | :-) |
| 17:03:46 | preglow | at least until the hallucinations starts kicking in |
| 17:03:47 | daven | can anyone confirm whether iriver recording is working yet? |
| 17:03:48 | HCl | no... |
| 17:04:07 | preglow | daven: it is, actually, but not its not all in cvs yet |
| 17:04:25 | preglow | i did some recording yesterday, worked just fine |
| 17:04:34 | daven | ok. thanks for the clarification, i'm looking forward to trying that out |
| 17:04:52 | daven | is the infamous recording "glitch" still present? |
| 17:04:52 | preglow | the recording functions were commited yesterday, so it's very recent |
| 17:05:00 | preglow | daven: i don't know, we'll find out |
| 17:05:19 | daven | i'm crossing my fingers, its a firmware, not hardware issue : ) |
| 17:05:24 | preglow | that would be nice |
| 17:05:33 | preglow | it sounds like a firmware issue, really |
| 17:05:36 | preglow | but hard to be sure |
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| 17:05:49 | daven | hope so. it just seems to be in one channel for me |
| 17:06:07 | preglow | i've never experienced it, but then, i don't do much recording |
| 17:06:43 | daven | with concert recording it is barely noticable unless you know when to listen for it, but for field recordings it could be a problem |
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| 17:07:27 | daven | ok. i'll keep checking in for updates : ) |
| 17:07:34 | preglow | MAN |
| 17:07:42 | preglow | rockbox is more silent than iriver fw on startup now |
| 17:07:53 | * | preglow goes woot |
| 17:08:52 | HCl | is Slasheri around? |
| 17:09:06 | preglow | yes |
| 17:09:12 | * | HCl prods Slasheri |
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| 17:13:58 | Slasheri | HCl: yes, still a few minutes :) |
| 17:14:17 | HCl | any news on the track event thing? |
| 17:14:48 | preglow | shouldn't the mas.h include be wrapped with an ifdef? |
| 17:14:58 | Slasheri | HCl: there is a function codec_track_changed but currently it won't take any parameters so you only know the new track by looking to cur_ti->id3 |
| 17:15:33 | Slasheri | HCl: but would you like to have some configurable callback event for track changing? |
| 17:16:38 | HCl | somewhat, yea |
| 17:16:46 | HCl | i just need the absolute path of the file played |
| 17:16:50 | HCl | after it finished playing |
| 17:17:14 | Slasheri | ok, what kind of stuff are going to do with that information? |
| 17:17:23 | Slasheri | +you |
| 17:17:32 | HCl | looking the file up in the id3 database with a binary search |
| 17:17:54 | Slasheri | if you do some cpu intensitive, call yield etc. you can't use the track_changed event |
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| 17:18:02 | HCl | if found, creating and/or updating rundb info |
| 17:18:06 | Slasheri | but i will do some other interface for that |
| 17:18:49 | Slasheri | hmm, do you have own thread for your code? |
| 17:19:01 | Slasheri | Maybe best way to do that could be to send an event to your thread |
| 17:19:02 | HCl | probably not |
| 17:19:05 | Slasheri | :/ |
| 17:19:30 | HCl | i'm not very good at stuff like threads.. |
| 17:19:39 | HCl | or any low level programming, for that matter |
| 17:19:51 | Slasheri | Then i will do the callback event. But you should not block that function for too long period of time |
| 17:20:00 | Slasheri | threads are quite simple :) |
| 17:20:03 | HCl | yea, i understand |
| 17:20:06 | Slasheri | great |
| 17:20:10 | Slasheri | cu later :) _> |
| 17:20:14 | HCl | byes |
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| 17:47:28 | t0mas | hm... |
| 17:47:39 | t0mas | 31: warning: initialization discards qualifiers from pointer target type |
| 17:47:43 | t0mas | const char *a |
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| 17:53:09 | preglow | i got balance going |
| 17:53:25 | preglow | -100 should give only sound on the left, yes? |
| 17:54:25 | Moos | yes it is and 0 for default and +100 for right i assume ;) |
| 17:55:04 | preglow | ok, then i've got balance working |
| 17:55:25 | Moos | congratulations :) |
| 17:55:42 | amiconn | preglow: I know why the bass settig isn't saved correctly on iriver |
| 17:55:53 | preglow | amiconn: spill it |
| 17:57:13 | amiconn | It's a settings range problem. |
| 17:57:31 | amiconn | The value is saved in the settings block as 5-bit signed |
| 17:57:42 | preglow | well, that should be plenty? |
| 17:57:45 | amiconn | ..so the possible range is +/-15 |
| 17:57:48 | preglow | ahh |
| 17:57:54 | preglow | that's not good |
| 17:58:03 | preglow | can it be fixed? |
| 17:58:25 | amiconn | However, you set 0..24 (since you are scaling it to 'natural' dB) |
| 17:58:42 | amiconn | If you would store UDA values, we'd have no problem (0..12) |
| 17:58:49 | preglow | or is there any other kind of db? :P |
| 17:59:18 | amiconn | ..but then the settings file would be harder to understand |
| 17:59:32 | amiconn | We could make it unsigned just for iriver |
| 17:59:47 | preglow | is there any good reason for not storing config as a text file by default? |
| 17:59:55 | preglow | i'm not sure i very much like the sector approach |
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| 18:00:00 | preglow | binary = evil |
| 18:01:42 | linuxstb | I'm guessing it was done that way before Rockbox had a FAT driver with write capabilities. |
| 18:02:24 | preglow | nah, i think there are other issues |
| 18:02:38 | preglow | or surely they would have ditched it by now ;) |
| 18:02:48 | linuxstb | If it isn't broken... |
| 18:03:07 | amiconn | It's quite unlikely that someone will copy a config sector from archos to iriver (or vice versa) and then expect it to work |
| 18:03:39 | amiconn | There are reasons for the config sector and why it is binary |
| 18:04:13 | preglow | the only reason is user stupidity? |
| 18:04:19 | amiconn | (1) The archos recorder has an rtc, which has some battery-backed sram as well (think cmos ram) |
| 18:04:51 | amiconn | A part of the settings is stored there, and binary helps to utilise the space efficiently |
| 18:05:00 | amiconn | There are only 42 bytes iirc |
| 18:05:25 | preglow | well, if changing the format is easy for some arch, then go for it |
| 18:05:26 | amiconn | The config sector the uses the same format for simplicity |
| 18:05:39 | preglow | iriver has an eeprom we can use |
| 18:06:00 | amiconn | Yes, that would be like the 'cmos ram' on archos recorders |
| 18:06:09 | amiconn | ..and should also be used efficiently |
| 18:06:15 | preglow | we just need to not save settings too often |
| 18:06:23 | amiconn | Iirc it's 1 kbit == 128 byte |
| 18:06:23 | preglow | how often are they saved now? just at poweroff? |
| 18:06:31 | preglow | eeprom can take a serious beating anyway |
| 18:06:37 | preglow | should stand tons and tons of write cycles |
| 18:06:49 | amiconn | Settings are saved approximately at each spinup while playing |
| 18:07:12 | amiconn | (in order to save updated runtime info and playlist position) |
| 18:07:18 | preglow | well, iriver has a software poweroff |
| 18:07:26 | preglow | so we could very well just save at power off |
| 18:07:29 | amiconn | It has. |
| 18:07:49 | amiconn | I don't think we'll get into problems when we keep the current approach though |
| 18:08:13 | amiconn | Ondio internal 'disk' is flash memory too, and we also use the config sector there |
| 18:08:34 | preglow | and eeprom can take lots more write cycles than flash |
| 18:08:35 | preglow | usually |
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| 18:10:02 | preglow | but yeah, i added a couple of extra internal variables to uda1380.c, so setbalance should work with setvol with no modifications |
| 18:10:09 | preglow | will commit it in a sec |
| 18:10:17 | preglow | there's no more hardware codec settings to be done now then, i think |
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| 18:12:47 | preglow | is balance control linear on archos? |
| 18:13:54 | t0mas | oh, that was something else I found |
| 18:14:13 | t0mas | iriver stores something in some place used by rockbox too |
| 18:14:24 | t0mas | because if you set the iriver radio to a preset (5 for example) |
| 18:14:27 | t0mas | then start rockbox |
| 18:14:28 | amiconn | I think it is. The mas balance range is -127...+127, and we map it to -100% .. +100% |
| 18:14:29 | t0mas | listen some music |
| 18:14:35 | t0mas | shut down, and start iriver radio again |
| 18:14:39 | t0mas | it's at 87,5 |
| 18:14:45 | t0mas | not knowing what the last preset was |
| 18:14:57 | preglow | amiconn: uda1380 has no balance per se, just left and right volume, so i make my own crossfade curves and set left and right volume accordinly |
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| 18:16:08 | preglow | amiconn: at -50, l = 255, r = 128, at 0, l = 255, r = 255, at 50, l = 128, r = 255, etc., that's correct, yes? |
| 18:16:16 | amiconn | preglow: Ah, yes, so maybe looking at the MAS3507 code (player) may help |
| 18:18:31 | preglow | hmm |
| 18:18:37 | preglow | should i do everything in sound.c ? |
| 18:19:07 | preglow | right now it is uda1380.c, which would make the balance setting global for all of rockbox, even plugins |
| 18:19:20 | preglow | i guess that's not what we want |
| 18:20:44 | preglow | i've just added uda1380_set_treble, which sets the internal treble variable, which is used by uda1380_setvol, when it updates the volume register |
| 18:20:52 | preglow | ehh, set_balance, i mean |
| 18:20:54 | preglow | brb, shop |
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| 18:50:09 | Philip_0729 | hello?? |
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| 19:02:33 | mborus | Hi. Short question for preglow: Any news on the 48->44.1 resampling? |
| 19:02:43 | preglow | no |
| 19:02:58 | preglow | it's not gonna happen for a long while |
| 19:03:02 | preglow | no by me anywho |
| 19:03:16 | preglow | that is, i might happen 1. july |
| 19:03:16 | preglow | heh |
| 19:04:51 | mborus | OK, thanks. |
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| 19:11:41 | Philip_0729 | This is my first time using IRC... it was surprisingly easy to set up it looked realy techy and complicated but i suppose thats the sort of guy i am so it kinda makes sence...... |
| 19:11:55 | preglow | haha |
| 19:12:07 | preglow | it's not that comlicated |
| 19:12:15 | preglow | might take some getting used to |
| 19:15:04 | Plugh_ | irc is as complicated as you want to make it |
| 19:15:53 | Plugh_ | right now I have all my IMs pumped into irc, am connected to 5 servers and 9 channels |
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| 19:18:33 | Philip_0729 | aah sounds incredibly complicated... ill stick with just rockbox for the moment |
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| 19:18:58 | preglow | hahaha |
| 19:19:01 | preglow | i can't stand it |
| 19:19:06 | preglow | a couple of channels is enough for me |
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| 19:23:08 | Philip_0729 | is there anything a computer literate (though no programming experience) guy like me can do to help with rockbox on H300?? |
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| 19:24:26 | t0mas | Philip_0729: yes |
| 19:24:44 | Philip_0729 | cool what?? |
| 19:24:59 | t0mas | you can translate to your native language |
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| 19:25:08 | t0mas | you can design some graphics for the interface |
| 19:25:19 | | Join mishter [0] (~chatzilla@dyn-123-055.res.aecom.yu.edu) |
| 19:25:19 | t0mas | (as we'll need something that looks cool for irivers) |
| 19:25:24 | t0mas | and you can bugtest... |
| 19:25:52 | t0mas | test everything you can... try weird values for things... do things you expect not to work.. but wich should still be handled... |
| 19:26:05 | Philip_0729 | bugtest..... not so sure... translate? from english to native language of ... english lol |
| 19:26:13 | t0mas | lol |
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| 19:26:20 | t0mas | ok, any good with photoshop? |
| 19:26:34 | Philip_0729 | not too bad |
| 19:26:50 | t0mas | and the testing part is very important... |
| 19:26:55 | t0mas | as we can only fix things we know of |
| 19:27:08 | Philip_0729 | i have made some skins for the H300 with the help of H3mod |
| 19:27:25 | t0mas | hm... the rockbox interface is totally different at the moment |
| 19:27:29 | Philip_0729 | ill test so long as it wont brick my player..... |
| 19:27:49 | t0mas | well... for the H3xx linus has to write a bootloader first |
| 19:27:59 | t0mas | and test it, as he can't brick it that way... and all others can |
| 19:28:10 | bill20r3 | is there any documentation on the format of the id3 db file? |
| 19:28:13 | t0mas | after that, everybody can start testing rockbox features |
| 19:28:22 | t0mas | bill20r3: somewhere in the wiki |
| 19:28:29 | t0mas | the new format is invented by HCl |
| 19:28:33 | t0mas | so he know's where |
| 19:28:34 | * | bill20r3 searches |
| 19:28:43 | bill20r3 | I mean the format for the iriver firmware |
| 19:28:43 | t0mas | MichielVanDerKolk == Hcl |
| 19:28:46 | t0mas | ah |
| 19:28:55 | t0mas | then checkout the tdb tools source? |
| 19:29:28 | bill20r3 | actually, I'm just looking for something simple to create/update it, from the command line. |
| 19:29:43 | bill20r3 | I guess I should look at whats avaiable before thinking about writing anything. |
| 19:29:44 | HCl | wha? |
| 19:30:11 | HCl | we have a perl tool and a java tool to do that |
| 19:30:38 | t0mas | HCl: he ment the iriver format |
| 19:30:51 | HCl | oh. right. |
| 19:30:59 | HCl | look for iripdb or something |
| 19:31:23 | Philip_0729 | t0mas: on subject of images: i posted an if only screenshot on MR of what i hope Rockbox could look like |
| 19:32:32 | t0mas | url? |
| 19:33:09 | Philip_0729 | http://www.misticriver.net/boards/showthread.php?t=23338 |
| 19:33:14 | thegeek | hmm |
| 19:33:30 | thegeek | what is the status of the wps image patch t0mas ? |
| 19:34:13 | t0mas | oh fuck |
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| 19:34:30 | t0mas | that was the thing on my todo list I wanted to do when my vacation started :D |
| 19:34:37 | thegeek | hehe;) |
| 19:34:55 | Philip_0729 | lol |
| 19:35:02 | mishter | hi there |
| 19:35:22 | Philip_0729 | hi |
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| 19:36:21 | t0mas | Philip_0729: un codable |
| 19:36:42 | t0mas | the current rockbox interface is pretty simple... |
| 19:36:48 | Philip_0729 | damn |
| 19:36:54 | t0mas | but background images are possible |
| 19:37:09 | t0mas | and the peakmeter will be working on iriver sometime too |
| 19:37:14 | t0mas | so that's all possible |
| 19:37:22 | Philip_0729 | album art?? |
| 19:37:25 | t0mas | maybe albumart is possible if it's saved in the right format |
| 19:37:32 | t0mas | so save it as 20x20 pixels... |
| 19:37:37 | t0mas | in a bmp |
| 19:37:42 | t0mas | or write a jpeg decoder |
| 19:37:44 | Philip_0729 | that would be realy small |
| 19:37:47 | t0mas | then it might be possible |
| 19:37:50 | t0mas | well.. 40x40 is ok too |
| 19:37:53 | preglow | we have a jpeg decoder |
| 19:38:00 | t0mas | preglow: color? :) |
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| 19:38:10 | t0mas | bmp needs to be ported to colors too |
| 19:38:14 | preglow | if it can decode jpegs at all, colour support should be a breeze |
| 19:38:21 | t0mas | ok |
| 19:38:31 | t0mas | then albumart, peak meter and background are possible |
| 19:38:46 | t0mas | and you can already change all info shown... |
| 19:38:58 | t0mas | clock will just be added to the wps codes I think? (why isn't it already there?) |
| 19:39:12 | t0mas | both the counting up and down time is already possible |
| 19:39:25 | t0mas | but... the icons used in the upper line won't look that fancy... I think |
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| 19:39:33 | Philip_0729 | ?? on my dream screen... its in the bottom left |
| 19:39:38 | Philip_0729 | the clock |
| 19:40:31 | t0mas | that's possible |
| 19:40:48 | t0mas | but this idea will be a lot of work... |
| 19:41:16 | Philip_0729 | yes |
| 19:41:20 | t0mas | Moos: french music: |
| 19:41:21 | * | t0mas np: Manau - Mais Qui Est La Belette (0:16) [http://amarok.kde.org/] |
| 19:41:51 | Philip_0729 | i would be prepaired to do most if not all the image editing |
| 19:42:25 | Philip_0729 | but getting it to work would be difficult |
| 19:42:40 | t0mas | well... I have written a bmp reader for black and white images |
| 19:42:51 | t0mas | I can port that to H3xx and colors when we start working on H3xx |
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| 19:43:10 | Philip_0729 | sounds good |
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| 19:43:30 | t0mas | so in general it's possible |
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| 19:45:30 | Philip_0729 | I think it might look beter in black... |
| 19:48:30 | t0mas | hm... just leave that up to the user... |
| 19:48:45 | t0mas | everybody likes different colors... so just let everycody make his/her own images |
| 19:50:27 | Philip_0729 | something like this http://www.misticriver.net/photos/displayimage.php?album=329&pos=5 |
| 19:54:19 | amiconn | preglow: Our current jpeg decoder (in jpeg.rock) doesn't decode colour at all |
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| 19:57:55 | west-acre | hey guys. just flashed to rockbox. AWESOME. the features are insane, i can't thank you enough, and gapless!!!immense |
| 19:58:25 | amiconn | west-acre: ...and it's till unfinished :) |
| 19:58:29 | amiconn | *still |
| 19:58:49 | west-acre | yeh exactly, wot is to come...i am gonna spend the next few days chcking out the features!!! |
| 19:58:51 | west-acre | lmao |
| 19:58:55 | west-acre | i cant get over this |
| 19:58:59 | west-acre | playing ogg and mp3 |
| 19:59:00 | west-acre | ;) |
| 19:59:06 | west-acre | am i rite that it wont play wma??/ |
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| 19:59:17 | west-acre | inverse LCD mode quite amusing ;) |
| 19:59:27 | amiconn | ...and flac and wav and wavpack... |
| 19:59:33 | west-acre | :O |
| 19:59:36 | west-acre | taken aback! |
| 19:59:47 | west-acre | it wont play flac or wav? |
| 19:59:51 | west-acre | or it will? |
| 19:59:59 | amiconn | It already does |
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| 20:00:03 | west-acre | OMFG |
| 20:00:04 | west-acre | WIKED |
| 20:00:06 | west-acre | nice ;) |
| 20:00:14 | west-acre | im feeling the upside down display ;) |
| 20:00:15 | amiconn | (although there are performance problems with *some* flacs) |
| 20:00:30 | west-acre | im gonna get me some FLAC then ;) |
| 20:01:11 | west-acre | and the remote? |
| 20:02:20 | yngwi_ | will there ever be a quick way to switch shuffle on and of (a button?) ? |
| 20:02:37 | west-acre | notsure, is the shuffle "true" shuffle ? |
| 20:03:07 | west-acre | im liking the save energy performance, what does that actually do??? |
| 20:03:21 | west-acre | like use the drive slower or wot? |
| 20:03:26 | preglow | amiconn: it just decodes the chroma component? |
| 20:03:29 | crwl | playing some songs with shuffle on and then inserting more files to the playlist will cause the inserted files to play in sequential order, not shuffled |
| 20:03:29 | crwl | it probably shouldn't be like that, or..? |
| 20:03:33 | preglow | amiconn: still, it should be no trouble decoding the other components |
| 20:03:58 | amiconn | It just decodes luma... and is optimised for this task |
| 20:04:04 | preglow | ahh, luma, i mean |
| 20:04:22 | preglow | what optimised? does it do anything else than just skip the other component blocks? |
| 20:06:40 | preglow | still, making it decode colour for units that support colour shouldn't be too hard unless you've done some spectacular optimisation |
| 20:07:13 | amiconn | /* a JPEG decoder specialized in decoding only the luminance (b&w) */ |
| 20:08:03 | amiconn | I didn't do that; [IDC]Dragon wrote the jpeg plugin, using the grayscale library among other things |
| 20:08:23 | amiconn | Just look at the head of jpeg.c |
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| 20:11:52 | preglow | yes, and if it doesn't do anything marvelous, it should be easy to add chroma |
| 20:12:16 | preglow | chroma decoding is exactly like luma decoding, apart from the blocks being resampled |
| 20:12:53 | amiconn | I'm currently thinking which way of fixing treble/bass settings would be better |
| 20:13:16 | preglow | i'm leaning a bit towards moving it to sound.c, i think |
| 20:13:43 | amiconn | Storing physical values (0..3 / 0..12) wouldn't waste bits (resp. wouldn't require to change the allocation), but makes the config file a bit harder to read |
| 20:13:45 | west-acre | my DAP just crashed, tried to read a .txt while playing music. just reset, ive got an error, 104: illinstr at 32F405A2 |
| 20:13:48 | west-acre | my DAP just crashed, tried to read a .txt while playing music. just reset, ive got an error, 104: illinstr at 32F405A2 |
| 20:14:03 | preglow | oh, like that |
| 20:14:13 | west-acre | yup |
| 20:14:13 | preglow | west-acre: you can't use plugins while playing music |
| 20:14:17 | west-acre | ok. |
| 20:14:21 | west-acre | just reset yer? |
| 20:14:23 | preglow | yes |
| 20:14:29 | west-acre | it says the drive is spinning :S |
| 20:14:29 | amiconn | However, this is e.g. done the same way for the archos recording gain(s) |
| 20:14:33 | west-acre | k0 |
| 20:14:36 | preglow | west-acre: well, you have no coice |
| 20:14:46 | west-acre | that's y i was told to keep the paperclit at the ready ;) |
| 20:15:03 | amiconn | ARhcos recording gain would otherwise really waste bits; settings are in 1.5 dB steps |
| 20:15:07 | t0mas | west-acre: it will be fixed |
| 20:15:14 | west-acre | ;) |
| 20:15:18 | t0mas | this is because the audio playback thing is a hack |
| 20:15:22 | t0mas | using the plugin code for codecs |
| 20:15:29 | west-acre | i dont care im just so privaleged to have this resource! |
| 20:16:02 | t0mas | hm... anyone intrested in in pong form the remote on iriver? |
| 20:16:04 | west-acre | i still cant get over the boot thyme... |
| 20:16:10 | west-acre | 3seconds and then playing resumed music. |
| 20:16:18 | t0mas | as we should be able to use remote and normal buttons together? |
| 20:16:29 | west-acre | WOT IS GOING ON INSIDE MY DAP. IT'S SMOKIN BABEY ;) |
| 20:16:50 | t0mas | that's a feature ;) |
| 20:16:55 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, i don't know about that, but should the balance in sound settings apply for plugins as well? |
| 20:17:05 | t0mas | west-acre: instant campfire :P |
| 20:17:11 | west-acre | ;) |
| 20:17:22 | west-acre | pity these babes arent for sale1 |
| 20:17:29 | west-acre | altho i do have 2 ;) |
| 20:17:36 | t0mas | whyt 2? |
| 20:17:37 | preglow | oh, they are, if you know where to look |
| 20:17:43 | t0mas | *why |
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| 20:17:50 | vmx | hi |
| 20:18:06 | west-acre | ;) |
| 20:18:14 | west-acre | lol |
| 20:18:15 | west-acre | long story |
| 20:18:17 | west-acre | ;0 |
| 20:18:23 | west-acre | wow, tells me the vbr |
| 20:18:26 | vmx | i just want to say that a m3(l) port would be cool :) (i read some chatlogs) |
| 20:18:47 | west-acre | hey t0mas wot is the black lines under the playing bar? |
| 20:18:59 | west-acre | look like two forks kinda |
| 20:19:18 | t0mas | lol |
| 20:19:28 | t0mas | that's the peakmeter... you can disable it if you customize wps |
| 20:19:34 | t0mas | as they're not yet working on iriver |
| 20:19:38 | west-acre | kk |
| 20:19:47 | west-acre | wot is it like the visualisation |
| 20:19:53 | t0mas | jup |
| 20:19:54 | t0mas | it is |
| 20:20:02 | west-acre | debug (KEEP OUT!) lol ;) |
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| 20:21:59 | west-acre | im liking the FONTS |
| 20:22:01 | west-acre | wow ;) |
| 20:22:31 | west-acre | how do u turn off the peak meter? |
| 20:23:13 | t0mas | write a .wps file |
| 20:23:29 | west-acre | hum |
| 20:23:34 | west-acre | :S |
| 20:24:15 | yngwi_ | west-acre:http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
| 20:24:26 | west-acre | cheers br0 |
| 20:24:30 | yngwi_ | its easy |
| 20:24:41 | west-acre | wow im liking the battery test ;) |
| 20:25:33 | west-acre | hey yeh kewl tnx |
| 20:25:37 | preglow | vmx: then find some people to start it! |
| 20:25:59 | preglow | preferably someone with a m3 they don't mind gutting, heh |
| 20:27:55 | amiconn | preglow: On archos, all sound settings are in effect for plugins as well |
| 20:28:28 | amiconn | ...and for other tasks than playing music, like the voice ui |
| 20:29:00 | amiconn | The latter should be changed at least a bit; channel config should always be mono or plain stereo for the voice ui... |
| 20:29:12 | amiconn | ...because e.g. karaoke mode cancels the voice |
| 20:29:43 | belgarath | has the recording function been removed again? |
| 20:30:27 | belgarath | I'm sure I had it, but I then deleted the rockbox folder and re-extracted the bleeding edge build and it was no longer there |
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| 20:37:06 | mishter | what re the chances of them doign the h300 series after h100? |
| 20:39:52 | preglow | good |
| 20:40:19 | mishter | how much more is there to do for h100? |
| 20:40:24 | preglow | not 'after', most things we're doing for the h1x0 should work well on h3x0 as well, someone just needs to make us a bootloader and an lcd driver |
| 20:40:34 | mishter | oh ok |
| 20:40:36 | preglow | mishter: projects like these are never done |
| 20:40:40 | mishter | lol |
| 20:41:10 | mishter | well how much mroe time till a fully functional firmware package is finished |
| 20:41:42 | t0mas | the classic answere... |
| 20:41:47 | t0mas | "When it's finished." |
| 20:41:55 | mishter | lol ok |
| 20:42:38 | preglow | no way of telling |
| 20:42:41 | preglow | we have no schedule |
| 20:44:59 | mishter | is there an aporiximate percentage that is finished? |
| 20:45:10 | preglow | well |
| 20:45:23 | preglow | we need more stable and better playback |
| 20:45:55 | preglow | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverStatus |
| 20:46:02 | preglow | you can see there what we consider essential for a release |
| 20:46:10 | mishter | ok thankx |
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| 20:49:53 | west-acre | hey peeps, any way of changing the boot logo on rockbox? |
| 20:51:17 | preglow | well, you've got the source code, so of course |
| 20:51:54 | preglow | you can change anything you want |
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| 20:54:51 | Tangleding | Hello :) |
| 20:54:52 | west-acre | schweet, ill check it out |
| 20:54:55 | west-acre | he tangleding |
| 20:55:00 | Tangleding | Hi West |
| 20:55:02 | Tangleding | :) |
| 20:55:29 | west-acre | hoo is in charge of the rockbox website? |
| 20:55:29 | Tangleding | slasheri is here? |
| 20:55:31 | west-acre | its gr8 |
| 20:55:38 | Tangleding | Who? |
| 20:55:42 | Slasheri | hi Tangleding :) |
| 20:55:50 | Tangleding | Daniel Senberg i think |
| 20:55:55 | Tangleding | hi Mikaa |
| 20:56:00 | Slasheri | .) |
| 20:56:19 | Tangleding | wanted to thank you for latest bugfixe concerning audio playback! |
| 20:56:27 | Tangleding | Very nice fix! |
| 20:56:41 | Tangleding | (it was a pain ;) before!) |
| 20:56:58 | Slasheri | hehe, thanks :) still some fixed to come (seeking and previous button) |
| 20:57:29 | Tangleding | of course but it's very impressive |
| 20:57:36 | Slasheri | :) |
| 20:57:45 | Tangleding | now we can enjoy really using rockbox for playback |
| 20:57:46 | Tangleding | :) |
| 20:58:03 | belgarath | In the WPS would there be any way to center certain lines? |
| 20:58:32 | belgarath | And have some lines bold etc |
| 20:58:34 | Tangleding | Hi belgarath |
| 20:58:38 | belgarath | hi |
| 20:58:41 | Tangleding | nice idea indeed |
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| 20:59:28 | preglow | hUBBEL |
| 20:59:31 | preglow | wassup |
| 20:59:37 | belgarath | I thought of it because a friend of mine has a creative zen touch and the centred track title/artist/album really works |
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| 21:00:17 | Tangleding | I guess the WPS will evolve |
| 21:00:22 | hubbel | preglow: about to code a simple recording screen that can record long clips and write wav or something |
| 21:00:30 | west-acre | hey, question. using H3MOD to mod the images, can you patch the firmware with rockbox that has the images edited, so when u use rec+play it uses the new images??? |
| 21:00:46 | Tangleding | but it's very powerful yet |
| 21:00:57 | Slasheri | yes you can |
| 21:01:00 | west-acre | wiked |
| 21:01:05 | west-acre | ill do that then ;) |
| 21:01:20 | Slasheri | but windows patcher might not be want to do that |
| 21:01:52 | Slasheri | i think you can also edit the images after you have patched rockbox |
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| 21:02:04 | Slasheri | at least somebody reported before it would work |
| 21:03:57 | preglow | hubbel: that'd be friggin sweet, then we can once and for all find out if we can fix the glitching nug |
| 21:04:00 | preglow | BUG, even |
| 21:04:13 | belgarath | do you know when jpeg viewing will be put into cvs? |
| 21:04:43 | hubbel | preglow: glitching bug ? |
| 21:04:44 | preglow | Slasheri: the order will be important, you have to patch the firmware with rockbox first, THEN patch it with h3mod |
| 21:05:02 | preglow | ehh, that was aimed at west-acre |
| 21:05:04 | Tangleding | as said Preglow |
| 21:05:10 | Tangleding | it's in the FAQ to be fair |
| 21:05:24 | preglow | it is? |
| 21:05:36 | Tangleding | yes indeed i'll find it |
| 21:05:41 | preglow | not important |
| 21:06:09 | Tangleding | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverFAQ#Can_I_modify_the_images_in_the_i |
| 21:06:10 | Tangleding | :) |
| 21:07:30 | west-acre | hey i have battery.dummy that's 30mb. presumably thats from when i did a battery test. can i remove it |
| 21:07:43 | Tangleding | i've updated my vry new H140 with Rockbox now |
| 21:07:46 | Tangleding | :D |
| 21:07:48 | west-acre | :D |
| 21:07:50 | west-acre | nicewk |
| 21:07:53 | preglow | just remove it |
| 21:07:55 | west-acre | kk |
| 21:07:57 | west-acre | cheers preglow |
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| 21:11:03 | belgarath | hi again do you have plans for wma playback? |
| 21:11:19 | preglow | belgarath: yes, we just need someone to port the ffmpeg wma codec for us to use fixed point |
| 21:11:45 | preglow | mind you, we'll never support protected wmas |
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| 21:11:55 | preglow | and probably not wmas encoded with newer versions of the encoder |
| 21:12:15 | Nuxator | hello |
| 21:12:38 | Nuxator | I just want to know why rhe hd start spinning when i press pause? |
| 21:12:56 | belgarath | obviously drm'd won't work but its good to know that the codec itself will be supported |
| 21:12:59 | belgarath | thanks |
| 21:13:13 | preglow | belgarath: like i said, like most things it's not a problem, we just need someone willing to work on it |
| 21:16:57 | belgarath | i would but I can't code to save my life... |
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| 21:19:34 | preglow | hubbel: yeah, there are occasional glitches when recording in iriver firmware |
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| 21:20:21 | preglow | this has annoyed a lot of people |
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| 21:28:35 | Slasheri | Hmm, i think that separate recording.c (or similar) should be done for recording because recording buffering and codec loading requirements are much different from playback needs |
| 21:29:56 | vmx | preglow: i think there are only a few people who could start a port to m3 (it's sad that i'm not such a "low-level-guy" ;) |
| 21:31:13 | preglow | the mp3 port should be able to use much of the code we're making for h1x0 |
| 21:31:25 | preglow | so it wont be as difficult as it could have been |
| 21:31:37 | hubbel | Slasheri: I have been looking at recording.c and this is my plan: first write an pcm_record.c that does the low level things, and write a apps/simple_recording.c for testing.. later pcm_record can be integrated into apps/recording.c |
| 21:31:47 | vmx | preglow: i think the hardest part is to get the firmware on the me |
| 21:31:49 | vmx | m3 |
| 21:31:57 | Slasheri | hubbel: ah, that's a good idea :) |
| 21:31:58 | HCl | can it upgrade? |
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| 21:32:37 | preglow | vmx: as far as i know, the firmware isn't even encrypted, that should make it a breeze |
| 21:33:15 | amiconn | hubbel: Just a reminder, there already is a recording screen, perhaps you can use that, or at least reuse some code |
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| 21:33:22 | Slasheri | hubbel: It looks we might be even able to use the existing recording.c for that |
| 21:33:23 | hubbel | amiconn: yep |
| 21:33:59 | hubbel | amiconn: but there are so many features in that so I don't want to start with trying to integrate into that one |
| 21:34:28 | Belgarath | another thing I forgot to ask: when the sleep timer is on and the player is plugged in, after the allotted time instead of the player switching of it just stops playing the current song and goes into the root directory |
| 21:35:15 | hubbel | I've started with the functions recording.c needs, like mpeg_init_recording, mpeg_record, mpeg_set_recording_options |
| 21:35:22 | linuxstb | HCl: Yes, the M3 firmware upgrade seems to be the same as the iRiver - i.e. put a firmware binary on the hard disk, and select a menu option to flash it. |
| 21:35:24 | vmx | preglow: i don't know, but if it really isn't encrypted somebody should really start |
| 21:35:31 | HCl | k |
| 21:35:48 | linuxstb | The M3 firmware isn't even encrypted. |
| 21:35:56 | vmx | on m3 you put it in a dir and just need to reboot it |
| 21:35:59 | linuxstb | But there must be a checksum somewhere (I hope). |
| 21:36:15 | linuxstb | vmx: Can you then delete the firmware file from the hard disk? |
| 21:36:16 | thegeek | easy to check that.... |
| 21:36:17 | thegeek | hehehe |
| 21:36:18 | preglow | just load the firmware into a disassembler, find the firmware loader, then look at how it does it |
| 21:36:21 | preglow | should be a reeze |
| 21:36:22 | amiconn | Belgarath: Yes, that's a leftover from archos. The archos units can't power off as long as the charger is connected. |
| 21:36:34 | amiconn | Same goes for idle poweroff |
| 21:36:36 | Belgarath | ok no worries |
| 21:36:45 | Belgarath | just wondering if you were aware of it |
| 21:36:53 | amiconn | However, in the latter case it might be even wanted... |
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| 21:37:10 | vmx | linuxstb, no you upload it to the firmware dir, then you reboot, it gets flashed and the file is gone |
| 21:37:22 | linuxstb | vmx: OK. |
| 21:37:34 | preglow | are there any strings displayed when it's flashed? |
| 21:37:58 | preglow | just looking for the firmware string should be enough, really |
| 21:38:05 | preglow | firmware filename, even |
| 21:38:18 | vmx | hm, i don't remeber i havent't flashed for a long time |
| 21:38:58 | linuxstb | Here's a zip file for the M3: http://eng.iaudio.com/download/file/cowon_program/iAUDIOM3_firm/iAUDIOM3_1_35eng.zip |
| 21:39:30 | vmx | i just remeber that it only flashes if it is connected with the power connector |
| 21:39:33 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:39:57 | linuxstb | vmx: Makes sense. Don't want to lose power half way... |
| 21:40:11 | vmx | it took me days to find that out ;) |
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| 21:40:28 | Tangleding | ya 2 bons mmm |
| 21:40:28 | hubbel | can someone help me with the concept of "prerecording" in rockbox? is it for testing recording volume etc? |
| 21:41:20 | vmx | one question about the irver, there were some discussions about a rtc. what's the problem with that, is the player really completly of if you switch it off? |
| 21:42:02 | amiconn | hubbel: Prerecording already records before you hit 'record' and buffers the last n seconds. |
| 21:42:35 | amiconn | So if you're slow, you won't miss the beginning of the top hit you always wanted to record ;-) |
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| 21:43:45 | linuxstb | hubbel: Is recording at a higher quality than 16-bit/44.1KHz theoretically possible? |
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| 21:45:59 | preglow | yes |
| 21:46:10 | preglow | coldfire might put a stop to that |
| 21:46:30 | hubbel | linuxstb: no, i think the clock selection limits us to 44.1khz, but 24-bit recording _could_ be possible |
| 21:47:08 | hubbel | linuxstb: however, in > 16-bit formats, the processor cant use DMA |
| 21:47:52 | preglow | theoretically it can do 55khz recording |
| 21:48:14 | linuxstb | hubbel: Thanks. |
| 21:48:26 | hubbel | preglow: yep.. with a crystal-mod maybe =) |
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| 21:51:12 | preglow | i did say theoretically, heh |
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| 22:02:38 | amiconn | preglow: Did you already implement balance? |
| 22:05:34 | preglow | no |
| 22:05:50 | preglow | but i'll commit it now if the setting being global is alright |
| 22:06:34 | amiconn | So far it always was, so I think it's okay |
| 22:06:44 | amiconn | It can always be improved later |
| 22:06:46 | preglow | okies, I'll just give it a final test and will commit |
| 22:07:34 | preglow | isn't declaring functions 'extern' in headers a bit overkill? functions are extern by default |
| 22:08:54 | amiconn | It's unnecessary, yes. |
| 22:12:14 | HCl | crystal mod? |
| 22:12:26 | thegeek | replacing the crystal |
| 22:12:34 | thegeek | with one of another frequency |
| 22:12:45 | thegeek | used in early 486/386 overclocks |
| 22:14:37 | preglow | amiconn: the balance curve is quite drastic, it sounds like a full pan has been done at around 50% |
| 22:14:45 | preglow | but it beats nothing |
| 22:14:47 | preglow | commiting now |
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| 22:16:35 | * | HCl stares blankly at thegeek |
| 22:16:39 | HCl | whats that in plain english :X |
| 22:16:44 | HCl | crystals? in cpus? O.o |
| 22:16:47 | HCl | *confused* |
| 22:16:55 | crashd | timing crystals |
| 22:17:09 | preglow | yes, crystals |
| 22:17:11 | preglow | for clock generation |
| 22:17:16 | crashd | not mystic crystals |
| 22:17:21 | HCl | crystals? |
| 22:17:25 | HCl | there are crystals in cpus? |
| 22:17:29 | preglow | crystal oscillators |
| 22:17:32 | preglow | yes |
| 22:17:37 | HCl | o.o.. |
| 22:17:39 | HCl | okay. |
| 22:17:44 | HCl | i'll just take your word for it o.o. |
| 22:17:48 | preglow | haha |
| 22:17:52 | crashd | HCl: look it up if you dont believe us ;) |
| 22:17:53 | preglow | you've probably seen them tons of times |
| 22:17:57 | HCl | no i do... |
| 22:17:57 | preglow | tall little metal things on the pcb |
| 22:18:00 | HCl | i'm just confused. |
| 22:18:02 | preglow | sometimes not tall either |
| 22:18:06 | preglow | but they've got metal casings |
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| 22:18:20 | preglow | inside you've got a resonating crystal |
| 22:18:41 | HCl | interesting |
| 22:18:43 | HCl | o.o |
| 22:18:54 | HCl | i'm not a very low level person.. |
| 22:18:59 | preglow | what the hell decides if a commit ends up in one mail or not? |
| 22:19:12 | hubbel | hcl: and it is from the the crystals the magic black smoke comes from |
| 22:19:16 | preglow | HCl: i kind of picked that up while studying ee, heh |
| 22:20:29 | crashd | right |
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| 22:20:38 | crashd | i might finally get some headway on the h10 in the next few days |
| 22:20:43 | preglow | oh? |
| 22:20:45 | preglow | so wassup? |
| 22:20:48 | crashd | well, im going to a geek gathering |
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| 22:20:50 | crashd | ¬_¬ |
| 22:20:57 | crashd | and have some time to myself |
| 22:20:58 | preglow | haha |
| 22:20:58 | crashd | 4 days of it |
| 22:21:25 | preglow | what do arm people use for debugging, btw? |
| 22:21:27 | preglow | jtag? |
| 22:21:36 | preglow | does portalplayer even have debugging support? |
| 22:21:44 | crashd | shrug |
| 22:21:46 | HCl | hubbel: why? |
| 22:21:48 | crashd | but yea, jtag |
| 22:21:53 | crashd | i think the pads are still on the pcb |
| 22:21:57 | crashd | on my generation of h10 at least |
| 22:28:07 | preglow | amiconn: shouldn't #include "mas.h" too be wrapped in an ifdef? |
| 22:28:37 | amiconn | Maybe, but it's not necessary |
| 22:28:54 | amiconn | Some #defines shouldn't hurt |
| 22:28:55 | preglow | it never is |
| 22:29:53 | preglow | so, on a similar note i don't have to wrap #include "uda1380.h" in an ifdef either? |
| 22:30:21 | preglow | did it anyway, so blah |
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| 22:36:08 | amiconn | preglow: Hmm, the easiest way for the bass setting would be to make just the bass setting unsigned for uda, without chaning bit allocation |
| 22:36:27 | amiconn | This wouldn't break the settings struct, so no version bump would be needed |
| 22:36:46 | amiconn | ...which would lead to a settings reset otherwise |
| 22:36:54 | amiconn | What do you think? |
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| 22:39:43 | preglow | *shrug* |
| 22:39:46 | preglow | doesn't matter much to me |
| 22:39:52 | preglow | it's all behind the scenes work |
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| 22:40:31 | preglow | i'd prefer the binary format to be changed as little as possible between archs, but like you say, it is of no consequence whatsoever |
| 22:40:39 | preglow | no one will ever export the config sector |
| 22:40:51 | amiconn | It's not so behind-the-scenes when I choose to go the clean way and bump the settings version. It'll reset all settings, so save them to a .cfg file before upgrading |
| 22:42:54 | preglow | it's happened a lot during the last months, i kind of figured it was normal, heh |
| 22:43:00 | preglow | but yeah, nice to restrict it when we can |
| 22:43:32 | amiconn | I think I'll go the clean way now |
| 22:43:49 | amiconn | #if CONFIG_HWCODEC != MASNONE |
| 22:44:00 | amiconn | .... +/-12 and +/-15 |
| 22:44:09 | amiconn | #elif defined HAVE_UDA1380 |
| 22:44:15 | amiconn | ... 0..6 /0..24 |
| 22:44:18 | amiconn | #endif |
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| 22:51:10 | preglow | there aren't any more uda parameters to add, at least |
| 22:54:41 | HCl | some people are so incompetent >.< |
| 22:54:45 | HCl | you give them a direct link to download. |
| 22:54:47 | HCl | and they FAIL |
| 22:54:47 | amiconn | Volume does no longer work :( |
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| 22:55:17 | amiconn | preglow: It seems you did something to it. 0% mutes, 1%...100% are all full volume (unbearable) |
| 22:56:58 | * | amiconn has an idea |
| 22:57:17 | preglow | argh |
| 22:57:20 | preglow | of course |
| 22:57:30 | preglow | i don't bloody use the volume to scale anymore |
| 22:57:39 | preglow | it's a quick fix |
| 22:58:09 | amiconn | pcm_set_volume() is a bit weird imho |
| 22:58:25 | amiconn | (or rather, uda1380_setvol is) |
| 22:58:30 | preglow | how? |
| 22:59:29 | amiconn | Well, uda1380_setvol() works backward, 255..0 with 0 being the loudest setting |
| 22:59:39 | preglow | yup |
| 22:59:42 | preglow | the internal format |
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| 23:00:30 | preglow | just replacing the 0 in the MAX with vol should fix it dandy |
| 23:00:35 | amiconn | It seems you don't use the volume at all... |
| 23:00:38 | preglow | i dont |
| 23:00:42 | preglow | i plain forgot about it |
| 23:00:52 | preglow | i can fix it in a jiffy, like i say |
| 23:01:13 | amiconn | pls do so :) |
| 23:01:15 | preglow | no, that wont work |
| 23:01:18 | preglow | bah |
| 23:01:23 | preglow | goes for not thorougly testing it |
| 23:01:37 | amiconn | YOu need to add, then clamp, right? |
| 23:01:42 | preglow | yes |
| 23:02:00 | amiconn | It's basically the reverse of what set_prescaled_volume() does for mas3507 |
| 23:02:09 | amiconn | (reverse because of the reversed values) |
| 23:02:48 | amiconn | ...and mas uses a prescaler as well, to avoid distortion with boosted treble/bass |
| 23:03:02 | preglow | uda does no such thing |
| 23:03:03 | preglow | hehe |
| 23:03:04 | preglow | it just clips |
| 23:03:07 | preglow | if you boost too much |
| 23:03:21 | preglow | i kinda like it that way |
| 23:03:31 | preglow | not the clipping, but the manually adjusting the volume to fit |
| 23:03:59 | preglow | we don't know how the eq transfer function looks, so it's impossible to gain correctly |
| 23:04:13 | amiconn | yes. |
| 23:05:10 | preglow | ok, i fixed it now |
| 23:05:16 | preglow | i rescale the crossfade and clamp |
| 23:05:27 | preglow | holy shit, this thing can be really loud |
| 23:06:19 | amiconn | Changed settings bitfield is ready for commit as well |
| 23:07:00 | preglow | ARGHHHHHHH |
| 23:07:07 | HCl | ? |
| 23:07:13 | * | HCl prods Slasheri |
| 23:07:15 | preglow | windows has started this fun little game of NOT BLOODY RECOGNIZING MY PLAYER |
| 23:07:38 | preglow | i need to reboot to fix this, brb |
| 23:07:43 | HCl | o.o |
| 23:07:57 | amiconn | I never had that... |
| 23:08:45 | amiconn | From time to time windows plays its 'hardware detected' sound but doesn't show the drive in explorer. Simply unplugging and replugging always fixed that for me |
| 23:09:48 | HCl | http://www.owned.com/Owned_Pictures/Funny_Owned_Pics/Still_Juvenile/OWNED.html |
| 23:09:51 | HCl | :P |
| 23:10:31 | preglow | i use my monitor as an usb hub now |
| 23:10:55 | preglow | it probably requires me to click to bloody usb icon before i unplug it |
| 23:11:00 | preglow | which is unbearable for development |
| 23:16:22 | | Quit Chamois (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") |
| 23:16:25 | Bagder | "unbearable for development", that's windows in a nutshell ;-) |
| 23:16:34 | preglow | yes, this is inoh yes |
| 23:16:36 | preglow | ehh |
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| 23:16:39 | preglow | just 'oh yes' |
| 23:17:02 | amiconn | Somehow I can't agree to that |
| 23:17:06 | Bagder | hehe |
| 23:20:09 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK west-acre |
| 23:20:09 | west-acre | <Bagder> hehe |
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| 23:21:27 | preglow | ARGHH |
| 23:21:30 | preglow | IT DOES IT AGAIN |
| 23:21:53 | muesli- | re |
| 23:22:02 | amiconn | Bagder: Btw, do you have an idea why cygwin h1x0 simulator builds don't work (both win32 and x11)? |
| 23:22:14 | Bagder | no idea |
| 23:22:16 | amiconn | They try to execute audiobuffer as a function |
| 23:22:18 | Bagder | what happens? |
| 23:22:30 | amiconn | ..and segfault because of that |
| 23:22:49 | preglow | is it just me, or does resume perform badly for h1x0? |
| 23:22:51 | amiconn | However, that already happens at startup, before main() is called |
| 23:22:59 | amiconn | Bagder: |
| 23:23:06 | amiconn | gdb ./rockboxui |
| 23:23:08 | amiconn | start |
| 23:23:12 | amiconn | -> SIGSEGV |
| 23:23:41 | amiconn | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 23:23:42 | amiconn | 0x020dad64 in audiobuffer () |
| 23:23:48 | amiconn | bt |
| 23:23:55 | amiconn | #0 0x020dad64 in audiobuffer () |
| 23:23:55 | amiconn | #1 0x00401233 in mainCRTStartup () |
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| 23:24:05 | amiconn | That's win32 sim |
| 23:24:26 | amiconn | x11 behaves similar (different backtrace, same function) |
| 23:24:45 | amiconn | audiobuffer() is not a function, it's a char array... |
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| 23:25:24 | Bagder | weird |
| 23:25:27 | amiconn | I already tried renaming it.... still the same result, but with the renamed function |
| 23:25:58 | amiconn | All other sims work, both win32 and x11. Only h1x0 simulators do that |
| 23:26:06 | amiconn | Linux builds are working fine |
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| 23:26:47 | Bagder | where is audiobuffer defined? |
| 23:26:52 | amiconn | buffer.c |
| 23:26:57 | preglow | pbvas: hello |
| 23:27:10 | pbvas | preglow, hi! |
| 23:27:39 | Bagder | ok, first symbol in first file in firmware... |
| 23:28:13 | pbvas | i've just compiled the new cvs stuff and now i can't control the volume anymore! |
| 23:28:23 | pbvas | i get full volume no matter what... |
| 23:28:30 | amiconn | pbvas: Blame preglow :-P |
| 23:28:58 | preglow | pbvas: i'm working on it now |
| 23:28:58 | preglow | heh |
| 23:29:03 | pbvas | y |
| 23:29:08 | HCl | thats what you get for trying to use cvs stuff ;p |
| 23:29:09 | preglow | i fucked up when i added panning |
| 23:29:13 | pbvas | ok, so it's not just me?? |
| 23:29:22 | amiconn | nope, I also had that |
| 23:29:32 | preglow | no, not just you |
| 23:29:35 | pbvas | what panning anyway? |
| 23:29:41 | amiconn | balance setting |
| 23:29:48 | pbvas | right |
| 23:30:20 | preglow | something is REALLY wrong with my windows setup now |
| 23:31:10 | amiconn | Bagder: This is the bt for the cygwin x11 h1x0 sim: |
| 23:31:40 | pbvas | still no clue as to the playback init bug? |
| 23:31:52 | pbvas | i know a couple of people experience it as well |
| 23:32:02 | preglow | pbvas: i haven't ever experienced it |
| 23:32:06 | pbvas | i have to boot iRiver fw before i get any sound |
| 23:32:11 | amiconn | Humm, cygwin xterm doesn't let me copy text :( |
| 23:32:46 | pbvas | might there be slight variations of chips in differents irivers? |
| 23:32:53 | pbvas | like diferent timings? |
| 23:33:09 | pbvas | but it doesn't seem to affect many people |
| 23:33:13 | amiconn | Different hardware revisions might exist |
| 23:33:44 | pbvas | yes, but i happens on older and newer items |
| 23:33:55 | pbvas | mine ihp-120 is almost 2 years old |
| 23:34:16 | pbvas | someone reported on a H140 from last january |
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| 23:38:33 | t0mas | Bagder? |
| 23:38:37 | t0mas | does the iriver have some MMU? |
| 23:38:46 | t0mas | and is rockbox using paged ram? or not? |
| 23:38:54 | amiconn | no, and no |
| 23:39:06 | t0mas | then how do we use the elf format? |
| 23:39:18 | amiconn | We don't (directly) |
| 23:39:37 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:39:45 | t0mas | ah, that's it |
| 23:39:55 | t0mas | can you ginve me some pluginsystem internals? |
| 23:40:12 | amiconn | Apart from that, .elf should be unrelated to mmu |
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| 23:40:26 | Bagder | elf has nothing to do with mmu |
| 23:40:46 | t0mas | hm |
| 23:41:01 | t0mas | don't you need an MMU to use multiple elf things at once? |
| 23:41:09 | preglow | marvelous |
| 23:41:20 | preglow | this is the first time i had to boot to linux because windows wouldn't work |
| 23:41:24 | t0mas | elf is linked to 0x80000000 or am I confusing some things? |
| 23:41:53 | pbvas | preglow: i've done that so many times i stopped going back :-) |
| 23:42:11 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 23:42:11 | * | t0mas too |
| 23:42:23 | DomZ | is there some mmu emulator ? |
| 23:42:45 | west-acre | im off bbl |
| 23:42:54 | preglow | i still like windows best for working with sound |
| 23:42:58 | preglow | not surprisingly |
| 23:43:03 | t0mas | hm... I still don't really understand this one: <Bagder> elf has nothing to do with mmu together with: <t0mas> elf is linked to 0x80000000 |
| 23:43:03 | preglow | since linux is crap in that area |
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| 23:43:40 | pbvas | yes, i admit i don't usually need sound apps |
| 23:44:00 | pbvas | except for basic xmms, xine etc. players |
| 23:44:16 | preglow | commited a fix now, guys |
| 23:44:22 | preglow | xmms sucks crap |
| 23:44:23 | amiconn | t0mas: The thing about .elf is that it's *not* finally bound to an execution address, so the elf loader can relocate it |
| 23:44:28 | preglow | i want foobar2000 for linux :/ |
| 23:44:32 | preglow | and there are no good audio editors |
| 23:44:38 | preglow | audacity makes me want to cry |
| 23:44:56 | amiconn | t0mas: ... and even relocate the individual sections to different addresses |
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| 23:46:10 | * | ashridah prods preglow |
| 23:46:15 | amiconn | Bagder: It's not just that audiobuffer is the first symbol. I tried placing another variable in front of it ( unsigned char catchme[1]; ), however, the sim still tries to execute audiobuffer() |
| 23:46:49 | ashridah | latest CVS has gone nuts on me. if the volume is 1% or higher, it comes out at full volume. if it's at 0, it's muted. |
| 23:46:58 | ashridah | and no, i don't have my earphones in the line-out jack |
| 23:47:08 | t0mas | true |
| 23:47:15 | t0mas | someone else told us that yesterday |
| 23:48:30 | t0mas | ok |
| 23:48:34 | t0mas | preglow fixed it :) |
| 23:48:44 | pbvas | yes, i confirm that ! |
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| 23:49:46 | preglow | what, does everyone compile from cvs every half hour or what? :P |
| 23:49:55 | ashridah | preglow: well. yes. :) |
| 23:50:21 | ashridah | it's on my list of things to do in the morning. have shower. eat breakfast. check email. compile rockbox. |
| 23:50:24 | pbvas | everytime i get home and see some juicy looking changes :-) |
| 23:50:25 | amiconn | bleeeeeding edge :) |
| 23:50:43 | t0mas | preglow: everybody downloads the bleeding edge version |
| 23:50:59 | mborus | Hi, just wanted to confirm ashridah - my H140 almost blew my ears off a few minutes ago :))) |
| 23:51:10 | * | t0mas cvs updates + compiles |
| 23:52:18 | amiconn | preglow: Your formula for uda1380_setvol looks... unique.... |
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| 23:52:30 | stripwax_ | ello |
| 23:52:32 | t0mas | ghehe |
| 23:52:33 | t0mas | hi |
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| 23:53:29 | amiconn | merf. Seems Bagder is partially right |
| 23:53:47 | stripwax_ | what's convo |
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| 23:53:55 | amiconn | If the first symbol is a large array, it tries to execute it as a function |
| 23:54:10 | amiconn | weird |
| 23:54:24 | t0mas | export PATH=/usr/local/m68k/bin/:$PATH |
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| 23:54:25 | preglow | amiconn: i'm used to avoiding branches as much as i can ;) |
| 23:54:27 | t0mas | woops |
| 23:54:32 | t0mas | that was for the console... not here |
| 23:54:39 | preglow | i'm also used to think very dsp-ish, heh |
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| 23:54:54 | amiconn | preglow: YOu just hide them (MAX _is_ at least one branch) and add a lot of math |
| 23:55:07 | preglow | amiconn: not on x86, which is what i'm used to code for |
| 23:55:16 | amiconn | rockbox MAX is: |
| 23:55:20 | preglow | didn't think of that, anywho, it's just another branch here |
| 23:55:23 | preglow | i know what max is |
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| 23:55:37 | amiconn | #define MAX(x,y) ((x)>(y)?(x):(y)) |
| 23:55:52 | preglow | on x86, gcc optimises that a cmov instruction |
| 23:55:54 | amiconn | ...and this just equals an if..else |
| 23:56:36 | preglow | but feel free to rewrite it |
| 23:56:49 | preglow | the code will look the same once compiled anyway |
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