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| 00:04:52 | preglow | still, i like it |
| 00:05:00 | preglow | it's fancy and looks nice |
| 00:05:14 | preglow | the glitching has got to go, however |
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| 00:11:10 | preglow | oops |
| 00:11:20 | preglow | i managed to seek further into an mp3 than rockbox had cached |
| 00:11:23 | preglow | this it did not like |
| 00:12:53 | webguest31 | Hi, about the latest sleep timer poweroff commit, was that maeant for sleep only or is idle poweroff included? |
| 00:12:59 | webguest31 | amiconn: |
| 00:13:13 | webguest31 | oops |
| 00:13:34 | webguest31 | sorry bout the nick tabbing thing |
| 00:13:59 | webguest31 | it seems idle poweroff still does not work with charger in |
| 00:14:32 | amiconn | That's on purpose |
| 00:14:47 | webguest31 | oh |
| 00:15:50 | webguest31 | instead of having no option b/c sometimes I do plug the iriver in to listen at night, however I want it to turn off when it's done |
| 00:15:53 | webguest31 | can't we just turn it off or on whenever we want to? |
| 00:16:06 | amiconn | YOu can turn it off by hand |
| 00:16:29 | amiconn | I agreed that leaving it running at sleep timer timeout makes no sense, so I changed that |
| 00:17:20 | amiconn | However, both linuxstb and I agreed that it is better to not idle poweroff while the charger is connected |
| 00:17:31 | HCl | i second that |
| 00:17:35 | thegeek_ | third |
| 00:17:36 | thegeek_ | ;) |
| 00:17:41 | HCl | shush you! |
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| 00:17:42 | HCl | smartass :P |
| 00:17:45 | webguest31 | heh, ok |
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| 00:17:49 | Nuxator | hi |
| 00:18:03 | Nuxator | What appened to cvs page on the website |
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| 00:18:12 | HCl | i dunno, is it broken? |
| 00:18:16 | Nuxator | it's showind ihp100 and 300 twice |
| 00:18:23 | Nuxator | showing |
| 00:18:24 | HCl | oh that. |
| 00:18:30 | HCl | yea, i was wondering about that too |
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| 00:18:34 | ehntoo | Nuxator, I think that'll go away soon |
| 00:18:36 | HCl | Bagder is the one to prod about that. |
| 00:18:48 | HCl | aha. |
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| 00:18:58 | HCl | so we just gotta make about 12 more commits. |
| 00:18:59 | Nuxator | ^^ |
| 00:19:08 | ehntoo | HCl, that's about right |
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| 00:19:11 | Nuxator | 12!! |
| 00:19:29 | ehntoo | 16, actually |
| 00:19:33 | webguest31 | alright, thx for the explaination guys :) |
| 00:19:41 | amiconn | Nuxator: Bagder changed the case of some build names (iRiver -> iriver) |
| 00:19:43 | HCl | yea, 16 |
| 00:19:53 | * | Nuxator have to read irc logs |
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| 00:21:49 | amiconn | preglow: Is there a reason why pcm_set_volume exists? |
| 00:22:21 | amiconn | I'd like to get rid of that, it would make implementing a cleaner way for volume & balance much easier |
| 00:22:59 | amiconn | ...featuring dB-linear mapping of volume |
| 00:24:04 | markun | amiconn: You will start working on the graphics api next week? |
| 00:24:09 | amiconn | yup |
| 00:24:14 | markun | great |
| 00:24:18 | amiconn | 1 week of vacation, time to code... |
| 00:25:16 | markun | A friend will bring his md player and optical cable next week. I want to take a look at auto track marking. |
| 00:26:13 | markun | I don't think many people will have use for it, but still.. |
| 00:26:44 | bill20r3 | that would rule for ripping vinyl |
| 00:27:27 | markun | bill20r3: I was talking about iriver H1xx -> minidisc |
| 00:27:32 | bill20r3 | ahh. |
| 00:27:43 | bill20r3 | well that would be ok too, I suppose. |
| 00:27:43 | bill20r3 | heh |
| 00:27:57 | bill20r3 | recording md's is a pita |
| 00:28:08 | markun | Don't know why people use a md player when they have an iriver.. |
| 00:28:30 | amiconn | The other direction could be interesting as well |
| 00:28:37 | markun | And for 80 minutes of music you have to wait.. 80 minutes |
| 00:28:53 | preglow | amiconn: you'd have to ask linus |
| 00:29:01 | amiconn | I mean, when a cd or md player sends a track change signal, the iriver could auto-split the recording |
| 00:29:08 | HCl | doesn't auto track marking work by introducing gaps? |
| 00:29:25 | preglow | what do you mean db-linear mapping? |
| 00:29:33 | markun | HCl: No, you can send a track number in the subchannel of the spdif signal. |
| 00:29:35 | amiconn | _That_ would be great for ripping copy-protected cds |
| 00:29:48 | markun | HCl: When the tracknumber changes you split. |
| 00:29:55 | HCl | ah |
| 00:30:05 | HCl | nice |
| 00:30:13 | HCl | also, as you can see, i do have internet at parents after all |
| 00:30:21 | HCl | and i need to go to sleep.. |
| 00:30:22 | HCl | gnight. |
| 00:30:27 | preglow | rockboy asm core!! |
| 00:30:28 | preglow | :-) |
| 00:30:29 | markun | Ah, I was wondering why you were still here :) |
| 00:30:35 | markun | good night |
| 00:30:37 | amiconn | preglow: The current volume mapping isn't linear, because 0..-52 dB uses 0.25 dB steps and -52.. -78 dB uses 2 dB steps |
| 00:31:03 | preglow | ahh, i thought the scale was constant |
| 00:31:30 | amiconn | preglow: The point is wether there is a reason for having pcd_set_volume() |
| 00:31:35 | amiconn | *whether |
| 00:31:47 | amiconn | *pcm_set_volume() , bah :/ |
| 00:32:41 | amiconn | If not, I'll remove it and change uda1380_setvol to take 2 parameters, l & r |
| 00:33:02 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, i was thinking of doing that |
| 00:33:05 | preglow | would be cleaner |
| 00:33:06 | amiconn | Then the volume & balance handling is easily centralised in sound.c |
| 00:33:16 | preglow | are you sure, btw? looks like the scale is 0.25 db steps all the way to me |
| 00:33:28 | amiconn | ...and would be very similar to the dac3550 version |
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| 00:34:15 | amiconn | Hmm, lemme check again |
| 00:34:49 | preglow | the table is a bit misleading |
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| 00:38:16 | amiconn | preglow: It's definitely nonlinear |
| 00:41:48 | amiconn | 0..-52 dB uses 0.25 dB steps, -52..-66 dB uses 0.5 dB steps and -66..-78 dB uses 0.75 dB steps |
| 00:42:10 | amiconn | Fun, that |
| 00:42:20 | preglow | it certainly is great it doesn't mention it |
| 00:43:25 | amiconn | Yes, strange. Table 33 says it's 0.25 dB steps full range, but decrypting table 34 tells you otherwise |
| 00:43:40 | preglow | yeah, i see |
| 00:43:46 | preglow | i wonder which is true... |
| 00:44:06 | preglow | would be strange if someone devised that table in that manner for no reason |
| 00:44:12 | amiconn | In fact it can't be 0.25 dB for the whole range, because 255*.025 is 63.75, not >78 |
| 00:44:30 | amiconn | *0.25 I mean |
| 00:44:54 | amiconn | ...and it would explain the rockbox volume behaviour in comparison to iriver |
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| 00:45:26 | amiconn | I remember someone telling here that rockbox 50% doesn't equal iriver volume == 20 |
| 00:45:28 | preglow | don't think i can detect changes as subtle as this |
| 00:45:55 | amiconn | No, but the effect cumulates as the curve is nonlinear |
| 00:46:14 | HCl | a curve is always nonlinear.. |
| 00:46:15 | preglow | i'm very seldom lower than -12db anyway |
| 00:46:20 | preglow | HCl: no? |
| 00:46:25 | HCl | no? |
| 00:46:36 | HCl | i was of the impression that a linear curve is a straight line and not a curve |
| 00:46:41 | amiconn | Really? I'm often < 50 "rockbox-%" with earphones |
| 00:46:47 | preglow | you can call all figures curves |
| 00:46:51 | preglow | they don't have to curve |
| 00:46:59 | preglow | at least that's my impression |
| 00:47:10 | * | HCl is more down to the ground than theoretical :) |
| 00:47:17 | preglow | really |
| 00:47:26 | preglow | depends on the earphones/headphones, i guess |
| 00:47:40 | preglow | HCl: i'm a nice mix |
| 00:47:43 | HCl | sleep now |
| 00:47:45 | HCl | night |
| 00:47:45 | amiconn | preglow: Still, no obvious reason for pcm_set_volume()? |
| 00:47:49 | amiconn | night HCl |
| 00:47:51 | preglow | none that i can think of |
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| 00:47:55 | preglow | HCl: nitey |
| 00:47:59 | amiconn | Then I'll ditch that |
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| 01:07:14 | amiconn | preglow: There's another stage in the volume curve. |
| 01:07:42 | amiconn | -72..-78 dB uses 1.5 dB steps |
| 01:10:29 | preglow | haha |
| 01:11:16 | amiconn | I'll extrapolate that to be -inf our virtual -84 dB |
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| 01:40:16 | amiconn | preglow: What do you think, can we ditch the playback test from the debug menu? |
| 01:46:28 | preglow | oh yes |
| 01:46:35 | preglow | i can see no further need for it |
| 01:48:56 | amiconn | Hmm, the audio circuit exhibits noticeable crosstalk |
| 01:49:23 | preglow | oh? |
| 01:49:31 | preglow | how did you notice it? |
| 01:49:52 | amiconn | You could test with the old code as well: |
| 01:50:29 | amiconn | Play some music and set balance to all left, then only listen to the right earphone |
| 01:50:39 | amiconn | It should be silent if there were no crosstalk |
| 01:50:55 | preglow | more probably, this is a roundoff error bug in my code |
| 01:51:09 | amiconn | No, it's there with my new code as well |
| 01:51:14 | preglow | strange |
| 01:51:26 | amiconn | ..and there is no roundoff error because it's working differently |
| 01:51:41 | amiconn | ...like the mas3507 (dac3550) code |
| 01:52:02 | amiconn | Only the values are different, and no prescaler to take into account |
| 01:52:04 | HCl | almost all audiocircuits exhibit crostalk.. |
| 01:53:10 | preglow | yeah, but i can't ever recall actually having heard it |
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| 01:53:26 | preglow | if you can hear it, it's very significant |
| 01:53:52 | amiconn | Yeah, I noticed it only because I am testing my balance code, and set extreme values |
| 01:54:00 | * | HCl hears it most of the time when his brainwave generator tests for it... |
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| 01:56:36 | amiconn | Hmm, strange. The archos player has way less crosstalk. I'll check the iriver fw |
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| 02:02:33 | amiconn | It's the same with iriver firmware and with old rockbox code |
| 02:02:50 | preglow | i think it's really rare to have noticable crosstalk |
| 02:03:29 | amiconn | On archos player it's barely noticeable at full volume, when the other earpiece already distorts |
| 02:04:53 | amiconn | Btw, I even tested without the remote control. |
| 02:05:04 | amiconn | I don't use the remote often |
| 02:06:20 | preglow | i never use it |
| 02:06:51 | preglow | but yeah, balance should digitally mute the other channel at extreme values |
| 02:06:55 | preglow | so it is crosstalk you're hearing |
| 02:12:39 | amiconn | Hmm, I need to break plugin api backwards compatibility, now I'm obliged to sort functions :-/ |
| 02:12:53 | preglow | could you stuff in a logf while you're at it? |
| 02:13:04 | preglow | that's sorely needed |
| 02:13:27 | preglow | granted it's quickly done |
| 02:13:41 | preglow | i can't even remember how to handle variable arument functions |
| 02:14:09 | amiconn | That's not trivial. It shouldn't be there when building without logf support, and we need a macro in plugin.h |
| 02:14:36 | preglow | why shouldn't it be there? it'll just be an empty call without logf support |
| 02:14:52 | amiconn | Variable argument functions are handled the same way as elsewhere |
| 02:15:07 | amiconn | The plugin api is just a struct containing mostly function pointers |
| 02:15:20 | preglow | yes, i know |
| 02:15:37 | preglow | i've never used a variable argument function anywhere |
| 02:15:39 | preglow | not just rockbox |
| 02:15:43 | preglow | never had the use for them |
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| 02:15:51 | amiconn | You never used printf() ? |
| 02:16:00 | preglow | sure, but never made on of my own |
| 02:16:05 | amiconn | ;) |
| 02:16:08 | preglow | and to have logf support in plugins, you need to make a wrapper |
| 02:16:30 | preglow | plugin_logf that wraps logf, since logf is just a macro if logf support isn't enabled |
| 02:16:57 | amiconn | YOu don't need a wrapper |
| 02:17:10 | amiconn | You need a macro though |
| 02:17:21 | preglow | ROCKBOX_HAVE_LOGF should do |
| 02:17:26 | amiconn | ...and the macros has to make an assumption |
| 02:17:37 | preglow | but then the plugin struct will be different for builds with logf support |
| 02:17:50 | amiconn | We do a similar thing for DEBUGF() |
| 02:18:23 | amiconn | DEBUGF() in plugins is empty for usual builds, and for debug builds it's rb->debugf() |
| 02:18:42 | amiconn | ..so it assumes your api pointer is called rb |
| 02:18:42 | preglow | ahh, yes, of course |
| 02:18:54 | preglow | you can just pass along the api pointer |
| 02:18:58 | preglow | LOGF(rb, "%s", lol) |
| 02:19:15 | amiconn | Hmm |
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| 02:19:38 | preglow | cleaner than assuming it's called rb, if you ask me |
| 02:20:02 | telliott | Are the current id3 database tools working? |
| 02:20:12 | amiconn | Cleaner, yes, but also a source of possible mistakes |
| 02:20:41 | amiconn | You can't check the correct number of arguments in variadic macros... |
| 02:21:21 | preglow | indeed, no, but if you mean mistakenly passing your string as the rb pointer, then you'd have serious compiler error on your hands |
| 02:21:23 | amiconn | ...and it's easy to get this wrong: logf("%s", blah) in the core, but LOGF(rb, "%s", blah) in plugins |
| 02:21:25 | preglow | telliott: should be |
| 02:22:15 | amiconn | preglow: ah, yes, pointer type mismatch |
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| 02:22:25 | preglow | "%s"->logf wont work |
| 02:22:25 | preglow | heh |
| 02:22:35 | preglow | the first argument to logf has to be string |
| 02:22:38 | amiconn | Not? ;-) |
| 02:22:39 | preglow | so it will be caught |
| 02:22:46 | preglow | hahah |
| 02:22:50 | preglow | perhaps it will |
| 02:22:55 | preglow | calling the address of a string is pretty |
| 02:23:07 | preglow | calling the address of a string plus an offset |
| 02:23:07 | preglow | haha |
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| 02:23:45 | amiconn | Yeah, almost what seems to happen with the h1x0 sims on windows... calling the audiobuffer() array :-/ |
| 02:24:11 | preglow | a queer business, that |
| 02:24:49 | preglow | but yeah, assuming 'rb' wouldn't be the greatest sin in the universe anyway |
| 02:24:55 | preglow | especially if DEBUGF already does it |
| 02:25:07 | preglow | but not having logf support in plugins would be a great shame |
| 02:25:14 | preglow | since it's really, really helpful |
| 02:30:28 | preglow | but i gotta sleep |
| 02:30:40 | preglow | later |
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| 03:33:43 | kenshin | anyone here running Debian? |
| 03:34:07 | kenshin | the cross-compiler i built the other day is crashing (internal error) when i do a "normal" build. |
| 03:34:19 | kenshin | simulator builds work just fine. |
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| 03:51:58 | ashridah | mine's working okay. built gcc 3.4.4 for m68k the other day |
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| 03:53:15 | kenshin | hmm. maybe i should try 3.4.4. mine is 3.3.4. |
| 03:54:05 | ashridah | yeah, you'll need 3.4.4 for m68k. sh1 should be okay with 3.3.x |
| 03:54:44 | kenshin | is the WPS screen supposed to work in the simulator? |
| 03:55:36 | kenshin | i manage to kill the simulator when selecting an audio file. |
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| 04:49:59 | webguest92 | ugh, this playlist insert next, last qeue next last etc, and then trying to view whats been selected is driving me crazy |
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| 04:51:51 | webguest92 | why not have the playlist menus the first electable in all the submenus |
| 04:52:14 | webguest92 | electable=selectable |
| 04:53:01 | webguest92 | and view menu the first selectable in that submenu |
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| 04:57:38 | webguest92 | managing/viewing the playlist from the wps screen is a lengthy procedure |
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| 06:38:12 | wacky_ | does Rockbox play midi files yet ? |
| 06:46:17 | wacky_ | oh.. sorry, just read the wiki :) |
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| 07:24:47 | HCl | omfg headache sucks >.< |
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| 07:30:29 | jdrews | awesome firmware you guys made |
| 07:31:19 | jdrews | i was wondering −−- on the ihp120−− whenever you go to browse after playing a song−− you cant get back to the play screen. am i missing something? |
| 07:31:31 | HCl | hm. no idea. |
| 07:31:32 | HCl | try stop? |
| 07:31:40 | HCl | at least, thats what would make sense to me. |
| 07:31:40 | jdrews | yeah that was my first reaction |
| 07:31:51 | jdrews | no dice |
| 07:32:01 | HCl | i haven't looked at the interface yet myself, but i do plan to modify it at least in some ways |
| 07:32:15 | HCl | but first i gotta finish the database stuff |
| 07:32:19 | jdrews | heh cool |
| 07:32:34 | jdrews | well its just a tiny little annoying thing anyhow |
| 07:32:44 | HCl | *nods* |
| 07:32:45 | jdrews | so its not really crucial |
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| 07:35:20 | HCl | wb |
| 07:35:37 | jdrews | thanks |
| 07:36:06 | HCl | bah. i should've taken my iriver with me when i left to go to my parents :/ |
| 07:36:31 | jdrews | what in the name of god would convince you to leave it |
| 07:36:38 | jdrews | mine is grafted into my leg |
| 07:36:40 | HCl | lol. |
| 07:36:43 | HCl | well |
| 07:36:50 | HCl | i'm pretty sick at the moment.. flue |
| 07:36:57 | HCl | didn't think i would use it |
| 07:37:00 | jdrews | music does the body good |
| 07:37:03 | HCl | and to be honest |
| 07:37:07 | HCl | i just tried to put some music up |
| 07:37:13 | HCl | and its just making my headache worse :/ |
| 07:37:32 | jdrews | ah−− must have been the specific music |
| 07:37:43 | HCl | nah.. |
| 07:37:46 | HCl | its a pretty soft song |
| 07:37:50 | HCl | k's choice - almost happy |
| 07:38:03 | jdrews | i think ive run into that before |
| 07:38:09 | HCl | k's choice rules |
| 07:38:17 | jdrews | disbanded right? |
| 07:38:20 | HCl | i just happen to have the album on my laptop in ogg |
| 07:38:33 | HCl | cause i needed to test oggs with the database creator.. |
| 07:38:37 | HCl | no idea. |
| 07:38:42 | HCl | i just listen to music |
| 07:38:50 | HCl | i don't care about bands or "celebrities" that much. |
| 07:38:56 | HCl | they're just people, don't see the big deal with them. |
| 07:39:28 | jdrews | nope i was wrong−− they're still together |
| 07:39:33 | HCl | good |
| 07:39:41 | HCl | that means i might get more good music :p |
| 07:40:01 | HCl | still waiting for one of their albums to surpass their album cocoon crash |
| 07:40:03 | jdrews | yeah tehy should be due for new music−− last album was 2002 |
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| 07:40:48 | jdrews | alright im gonna go idle−− looking for shiny things in the house to macro |
| 07:41:06 | HCl | macro? |
| 07:41:23 | jdrews | photography−− specifically big pictures of little things |
| 07:41:28 | jdrews | jondrews.com <−− thats me |
| 07:42:11 | HCl | ah. |
| 07:42:19 | HCl | flies are scary up close o.o |
| 07:42:57 | HCl | pretty flower |
| 07:43:10 | HCl | *looks at gallery* |
| 07:43:28 | HCl | no idea what this is though. o.o |
| 07:43:33 | HCl | blue... icey.. thingy.. |
| 07:43:44 | jdrews | yup thats what it is |
| 07:44:05 | jdrews | its inverted and color changed−− whats dark is light et vice versa |
| 07:44:09 | HCl | they would make nice backgrounds |
| 07:44:32 | HCl | but i'm not gonna replace the picture of my gf, obviously :P |
| 07:44:40 | jdrews | heh |
| 07:45:38 | HCl | real nice pictures though |
| 07:45:43 | jdrews | thanks |
| 07:46:07 | HCl | :) |
| 07:46:35 | jdrews | awright−− gotta run |
| 07:46:36 | jdrews | peace |
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| 08:07:50 | HCl | .th.. |
| 08:07:50 | Puro | does anyone know of an open source firmware that would work with the Archos AV400? |
| 08:08:14 | HCl | i *think* there was something for it, but i'm not 100% sure |
| 08:08:21 | Puro | h |
| 08:08:22 | Puro | hmm |
| 08:11:40 | kenshin | anyone tried building a cross-compiler for m68k-elf in debian amd64? |
| 08:12:02 | HCl | hrm. |
| 08:12:09 | HCl | preglow would probably be the guy to ask |
| 08:12:16 | HCl | he has an amd64 i think |
| 08:12:35 | kenshin | i tried gcc-3.3.4 and compiling the compiler barfed |
| 08:12:52 | kenshin | i'm trying 3.4.4 hoping it will compile |
| 08:25:01 | * | HCl stares at another chat channel |
| 08:25:14 | HCl | i swear. some males seriously need to see a doctor about their testosterone levels. |
| 08:25:30 | HCl | dumb people are funny sometimes o.o. |
| 08:26:49 | kenshin | it's not polite to stare |
| 08:27:48 | HCl | meh, online, they don't notice :) |
| 08:35:27 | kenshin | why can't compiling go faster!? ;) |
| 08:38:35 | HCl | it can. |
| 08:38:37 | HCl | o.o |
| 08:39:16 | kenshin | compiling gcc |
| 08:42:25 | ashridah | kenshin: afaik, you have to have gcc 3.4.4 anyway |
| 08:42:30 | ashridah | 3.3.4 doesn't support coldfire |
| 08:47:48 | kenshin | yeah. i've tried 3.4.4. |
| 08:48:28 | kenshin | can't get the cross-compiler built. gcc craps out building it. |
| 08:49:45 | kenshin | tried running it in a 32-bit chroot and that one won't build rockbox "normal". |
| 08:54:30 | HCl | you might want to ask preglow about it.. |
| 08:56:45 | kenshin | who's preglow? |
| 08:57:49 | HCl | mp3 codec person |
| 08:57:52 | HCl | he has an amd64 |
| 08:57:58 | HCl | and he manages to build rockbox, obviously |
| 08:59:08 | kenshin | don't see him here. in the meantime i'll see what gcc-4.0 does! ;) |
| 08:59:15 | HCl | mmm. |
| 08:59:18 | HCl | good luck with that... |
| 08:59:31 | HCl | unfortunately, i can tell you gcc 4, at least the version i tested |
| 08:59:44 | HCl | does not produce a usable rockbox binary |
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| 09:00:06 | HCl | someone has to dig out why not and update the rockbox code... there's a potential speed boost to be gained from gcc 4 |
| 09:00:34 | kenshin | i don't mind looking into why code doesn't compile |
| 09:00:41 | HCl | it'll compile. |
| 09:00:44 | HCl | but it won't work |
| 09:00:44 | HCl | :/ |
| 09:01:01 | kenshin | i do this at work every day |
| 09:01:15 | HCl | if you think you have a chance at fixing it, please :) |
| 09:01:34 | kenshin | i'm new to gcc-4.0 but my job is writing C code |
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| 09:01:58 | kenshin | sooner or later i think i'll find it (if no one beats me to it) |
| 09:03:54 | kenshin | if my busted-arse gcc would build the cross-compiler without crapping all over it!! |
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| 09:38:37 | Slasheri | now backlight dimming uses only 2 interrupts / cycle and works pretty well :) |
| 09:39:10 | bill2or3 | nice |
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| 09:57:43 | t0mas | hm |
| 09:57:48 | t0mas | pretty intresting bug |
| 09:58:01 | t0mas | when I select a new song from the file browser (iriver) |
| 09:58:06 | t0mas | while another is playing |
| 09:58:21 | t0mas | it does something to the uda chip... wich makes my amp. go mad |
| 09:58:29 | t0mas | loud buzzing sound.... untill the song starts |
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| 10:01:02 | t0mas | (it does the same on shutdown) |
| 10:03:23 | Slasheri | hmm, that is a problem with the line out |
| 10:03:26 | Slasheri | try headphone jack |
| 10:04:26 | t0mas | I did |
| 10:04:28 | t0mas | does the same |
| 10:04:34 | Slasheri | :/ |
| 10:04:43 | t0mas | do you disable the uda when no audio is playing? |
| 10:05:18 | t0mas | (it sounds like the 50 hz from the mains plug) |
| 10:05:20 | Slasheri | wps calls audio_pause/stop when switching tracks (you can check it from logf) |
| 10:05:27 | Slasheri | that's weird |
| 10:05:36 | Slasheri | i have never had that buzzing |
| 10:05:44 | t0mas | plugin mains |
| 10:05:49 | t0mas | and connect it to an amp |
| 10:06:13 | amiconn | morning |
| 10:06:20 | Slasheri | Hmm, maybe it's a grounding problem |
| 10:06:29 | Slasheri | hi amiconn :) |
| 10:06:30 | t0mas | sounds like it |
| 10:06:39 | t0mas | but the iriver firmware doesn't have that problem |
| 10:08:07 | amiconn | No buzzing here |
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| 10:17:12 | amiconn | Hmm, someone said we should allow leaving the menu again with the menu button (A-B)? I have to agree, and this is also done that way on ther other targets. |
| 10:17:18 | amiconn | Any objections? |
| 10:18:39 | Slasheri | sounds good |
| 10:19:13 | amiconn | Same goes for settings |
| 10:19:37 | amiconn | (cancelling settings with both off and menu) |
| 10:24:04 | amiconn | Hmm, button lock with button combo in wps is unnecesary on iriver, I'd think? We have that lock switch... |
| 10:24:36 | t0mas | jup |
| 10:24:48 | * | t0mas is going to some family today... |
| 10:25:02 | t0mas | lucky me... they live next to snow world |
| 10:25:14 | t0mas | snowboarding in summer :D |
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| 10:28:16 | webguest82 | the 'view current play list' menu is used frequently, is there any way of making it more accessable |
| 10:28:38 | webguest82 | or with less key strokes |
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| 10:30:04 | Nuxator | yes it should be in the playlist menu when whe push and let push the joystick |
| 10:31:08 | Nuxator | It's like that in the user guide but it's missing in iriver build i wonder why |
| 10:31:39 | amiconn | The menu layout could be improved a bit, but there are surely many different opinions |
| 10:32:12 | amiconn | E.g. I almost never use the playlist viewer |
| 10:34:17 | Nuxator | yes but in user guide there is a shortcut for playlist viewing just on top of insert , queue..... |
| 10:34:49 | webguest82 | now that would be perfect for parties :) |
| 10:35:04 | webguest82 | or a dj |
| 10:35:14 | Nuxator | Another question why hd spin up when i pause my music? |
| 10:35:15 | Slasheri | Hmm, this is harder to integrate main & remote lcd dimming to same timer.. But should be possible :) |
| 10:35:37 | amiconn | I think insert is a way more comfortable first menu item |
| 10:35:49 | webguest82 | make it last then |
| 10:36:27 | amiconn | Slasheri: Hmm, might be difficult to dim both differently with the 2 ints/cycle approach |
| 10:36:40 | Slasheri | amiconn: yep, that requires 3 interrupts |
| 10:36:45 | amiconn | yup |
| 10:36:51 | Nuxator | yes last is fast too |
| 10:37:22 | webguest82 | much more user friendly |
| 10:37:47 | amiconn | Slasheri: Different thing - I just noticed a bug with skip forward. It should do nothing when at the last track of a playlist, but it restarts that track |
| 10:38:03 | Slasheri | amiconn: ah, that will be fixed :) |
| 10:38:23 | amiconn | Skip backward is totally broken, but I think you already know that |
| 10:38:30 | Slasheri | yes it is..- |
| 10:40:33 | Nuxator | And you can fast forward further than the fisrt 2mo buffering, guess you'll have to find a way to buffer the first track |
| 10:42:00 | Nuxator | But even with those bugs rockbix is still a lot more fun than iriver's firmware |
| 10:42:00 | amiconn | It should always be possible to ffwd/rew outside of the buffered data, of course it has to reload then |
| 10:42:32 | Nuxator | it's another solution (may even avoid this pb during buffering) |
| 10:48:36 | webguest82 | pressing play (side button) when in 'view current playback' should return the wps, |
| 10:49:37 | webguest82 | 'view current playlist' |
| 10:52:34 | webguest82 | right joystick in 'view current playlist' is also unutilised |
| 10:56:15 | HCl | hello. |
| 10:56:40 | webguest82 | 'ello |
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| 11:02:08 | ep0ch | hello |
| 11:02:57 | ep0ch | has anyone noticed that when a playlist has finished playing the cpu freq is still high? shouldn't it go to low when nothing is playing? |
| 11:04:06 | ep0ch | also, is it possible to have the cpu freq displayed in a wps? |
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| 11:44:15 | amiconn | hi Linus |
| 11:44:23 | LinusN | hi |
| 11:46:01 | LinusN | i see you're taking on the h100 hacking with full speed :-) |
| 11:49:22 | amiconn | Did you check whether my changed MFDR(2) values in system.c are correct? |
| 11:49:33 | amiconn | I still have that laying around here uncommitted |
| 11:52:25 | LinusN | was that the page mode? |
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| 11:53:28 | LinusN | ah, the i2c |
| 11:53:36 | amiconn | yes |
| 11:53:42 | LinusN | no, i haven't tested |
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| 12:00:03 | linuxstb | Does anyone else like ep0ch's idea of displaying CPU frequency in the WPS? I do, and have just implemented it. |
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| 12:00:46 | ep0ch | Linus didn't :p |
| 12:01:09 | linuxstb | I am sure it was just a coincidence... |
| 12:01:21 | amiconn | I see no point in having cpu frequency displayed in wps |
| 12:01:41 | linuxstb | Then don't include it in your WPS. But would you object to me adding the option? |
| 12:02:16 | linuxstb | I find it interesting for debugging purposes - to see which codecs need CPU boosts. AC3 doesn't seem to all of the time. |
| 12:02:55 | Slasheri | Hmm, i think that even better would be to calculate and display average cpu speed in wps |
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| 12:03:31 | linuxstb | Average over what time? |
| 12:03:40 | ep0ch | beginning of the track |
| 12:03:56 | amiconn | For debugging purposes there's the debug menu |
| 12:04:06 | muesli- | g'mornin mate |
| 12:04:07 | muesli- | s |
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| 12:04:22 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, but that's not convenient when I'm listening to songs. I want the WPS, not a debug screen. |
| 12:05:22 | amiconn | You talked about debugging. |
| 12:05:45 | amiconn | I don't think an end user is interested in the cpu frequency |
| 12:06:07 | linuxstb | Maybe debugging is the wrong word. I should have said "during development". |
| 12:06:09 | ep0ch | so they wont have it in their wps... |
| 12:06:28 | preglow | i think this is a nice idea, actually |
| 12:06:51 | preglow | could give a nice indication of how much more we need to optimise a codec |
| 12:06:56 | linuxstb | What if you wanted to try and test encoding settings to minimise CPU boosting. A normal user could experient without needing to play with the debug screen. |
| 12:07:26 | linuxstb | I can understand some people not being interested, but what is the downside of implementing it? |
| 12:08:21 | ep0ch | linuxstb, what does your implementation display? 1/0? or the full freq.? |
| 12:08:33 | preglow | an average would be more helpful |
| 12:08:45 | linuxstb | It displays "FREQ/(1024*1024)" - which I think is the frequency in MHz. |
| 12:08:50 | ep0ch | cool |
| 12:09:10 | preglow | why not just divide by 1000000 ? |
| 12:09:12 | Slasheri | linuxstb: it should display FREQ/1000/1000 (not 1024) |
| 12:09:14 | ep0ch | divide by a million no? |
| 12:09:14 | amiconn | linuxstb: If an average user doesn't use it it would be wasted code |
| 12:09:15 | linuxstb | The FREQ define seems to be the way to do it - it's defined for all platforms. |
| 12:09:51 | preglow | amiconn: yes, but it'll be useful during development |
| 12:09:54 | preglow | we can always remove it |
| 12:10:10 | linuxstb | amiconn: Based on that argument, the whole debug menu is a waste of code. |
| 12:10:19 | amiconn | Anyway, if you're still going to implement it, using output_dyn_value should be the easiest way of formatting |
| 12:10:26 | webguest82 | its like a rpm idicator in a car, useful for racing |
| 12:12:13 | webguest82 | but not required for everyday driving |
| 12:13:08 | ep0ch | Slasheri, you get the bit about cpu freq being high after a playlist has finished? |
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| 12:16:35 | Slasheri | ep0ch: yes, that will be fixed :) |
| 12:16:43 | ep0ch | ty :) |
| 12:17:22 | webguest82 | please make the 'view current playlist' more accessable |
| 12:17:43 | linuxstb | amiconn: output_dyn_value is a nice function, but seems overkill for this. I think the output will always be in MHz. |
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| 12:18:48 | amiconn | If you always want an integer value, then yes |
| 12:19:00 | amiconn | Might be sufficient after all |
| 12:19:32 | LinusN | maybe boost ratio is interesting as well |
| 12:19:57 | LinusN | time boosted vs time normal |
| 12:20:11 | preglow | only that would be more than adequate, as a matter of fact |
| 12:20:12 | LinusN | maybe just a boost % value |
| 12:20:15 | preglow | for developers |
| 12:20:22 | Slasheri | or in average MHz :) |
| 12:20:57 | LinusN | average mhz might be interseting as well |
| 12:21:57 | LinusN | but boost % and average mhz could very well be in a debug screen |
| 12:22:05 | Slasheri | LinusN: btw, what do you think about adding main lcd & remote lcd brightness configuration (0-100%, in 10% steps for example) to settings menu? |
| 12:22:47 | amiconn | LinusN: Do you remember why the last 2 conditionals in is_mp3frameheader() (lines 114..119 in mp3data.c) are there? |
| 12:23:26 | Slasheri | and maybe some fade settings also.. |
| 12:23:28 | LinusN | Slasheri: as opposed to contrast? |
| 12:23:49 | Slasheri | LinusN: yep, i have managed to dim the backlight continuously :) |
| 12:23:52 | amiconn | It seems the intention is to treat layer 1 data as invalid since the mas can't handle it, but it's looking (1) cumbersome and (2) even incomplete |
| 12:23:56 | Slasheri | works nice |
| 12:24:22 | preglow | Slasheri: fixed the glitches? |
| 12:24:30 | LinusN | Slasheri: you didn't say "backlight"... |
| 12:24:36 | Slasheri | preglow: almost fully fixed |
| 12:24:44 | Slasheri | ah.. but i meant backlight :) |
| 12:25:22 | LinusN | amiconn: i don't remember, , check the cvs log |
| 12:25:24 | Slasheri | preglow: i am now working to implement maximum of 3 interrupts per pwm cycle to drive both backlights |
| 12:25:42 | LinusN | Slasheri: how did you implement it? |
| 12:26:02 | amiconn | LinusN: committed by linusnielsen as v 1.1 ... |
| 12:26:13 | LinusN | amiconn: hehe |
| 12:26:33 | LinusN | that code was borrowed, and i'm not sure i did that part |
| 12:26:34 | Slasheri | LinusN: i initialized timer1 to create the pwm pulses |
| 12:26:54 | amiconn | LinusN: Ah ok |
| 12:27:31 | Slasheri | LinusN: currently i tested it with main screen backlight: 2 interrupts / pwm cycle |
| 12:27:37 | amiconn | Will check the other conditionals again, should be possible to simplify these last 2 considerably |
| 12:27:44 | Slasheri | backlight fades very smoothly |
| 12:28:39 | LinusN | Slasheri: interrupt frequency? |
| 12:29:10 | Slasheri | Hmm, currently pwm cycle frequency is about 5ms |
| 12:29:30 | Slasheri | Interrupt frequency varies a bit but there should be never more than 3 interrupts in 5 ms period |
| 12:29:57 | LinusN | Slasheri: how do you handle cpu boost? |
| 12:30:23 | amiconn | Hmm, just a thing. Interrupt driven pwm will probably cost more cpu than you'd think on first sight. Any interrupt breaks cpu sleep and causes at least one thread schedule cycle until all threads are sleeping again |
| 12:30:29 | Slasheri | LinusN: it's still unhandled. There is very slight blink when cpu frequency changes.. |
| 12:30:52 | LinusN | amiconn: correct |
| 12:30:53 | Slasheri | amiconn: Hmm.. |
| 12:31:18 | Slasheri | at least it worked without problems for 500 kbit/s vorbis files ;) |
| 12:31:41 | LinusN | Slasheri: we're talking about battery consumption |
| 12:31:58 | Slasheri | LinusN: of course.. that should be measured |
| 12:32:24 | amiconn | LinusN: (mp3data) Removing the last 2 conditionals fixes layer 1 for iriver, so it'll be #ifdefed out there |
| 12:32:26 | Slasheri | and some menu option added to turn on/off the backlight dimming |
| 12:32:34 | LinusN | i can go with fading, but a constant pwm for "brightness" is a waste of battery |
| 12:32:50 | amiconn | We can do the same on archos player btw |
| 12:32:51 | LinusN | amiconn: good |
| 12:33:00 | Slasheri | hmm, ok |
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| 12:33:49 | MisticJeff | Greetings... |
| 12:33:59 | LinusN | helo |
| 12:34:22 | Slasheri | LinusN: but i try to take some measurements to see how much constant dimming would eat cpu/battery |
| 12:34:58 | LinusN | Slasheri: do so |
| 12:34:59 | MisticJeff | I hate to interupt but need to throw this out there for a Rockbox/iriver fan: display HDD usage in WPS, total/remain |
| 12:35:36 | amiconn | Slasheri: I agree that softly fading backlight might be a cool effect (unfortunately impossible on archos recorder), but constant dimming is unnecessary imho |
| 12:35:42 | LinusN | MisticJeff: what a funny request |
| 12:35:49 | amiconn | The backlight isn't exactly very bright anyway |
| 12:36:36 | preglow | by no means |
| 12:36:47 | Slasheri | amiconn: yep. i just though if it could be possible to keep for example remote lcd continuously on with a low brightness without much battery decrease :) |
| 12:36:52 | preglow | but measuring power drainage might be interesting anyway |
| 12:36:53 | crwl | hehe, i have been wondering... why do people want to stuff *everything* to the wps |
| 12:37:35 | leftright | becuase they stare at it all the time while musics playing :) |
| 12:37:37 | amiconn | Slasheri: It might end up using more battery power for the cpu than it would cost to just leave the backlight at 100% |
| 12:38:31 | Slasheri | amiconn: yep.. that has to be measured :) |
| 12:38:51 | preglow | amiconn: i don't think its a question of battery power for the ones wanting to use it |
| 12:39:00 | preglow | more a comfort/whatever thing |
| 12:39:12 | crwl | leetness thing, you mean |
| 12:39:28 | preglow | whatever floats your boat |
| 12:39:32 | crwl | :) |
| 12:40:14 | amiconn | Slasheri: Btw, where did you put your interrupt routines? backlight.c? |
| 12:40:28 | LinusN | MisticJeff: is it something *you* want, or are you just the messenger? |
| 12:40:33 | Slasheri | amiconn: yes.. everything is in backlight.c |
| 12:41:06 | * | LinusN has updated the iriver schematics btw |
| 12:42:21 | preglow | yeah, saw |
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| 12:53:54 | preglow | Slasheri: so is the glitches fixable? |
| 12:54:17 | Slasheri | preglow: yes they are (at least if cpu frequency is not changed during fading) |
| 12:54:27 | preglow | Slasheri: well, that's a fairly common occurance |
| 12:54:53 | Slasheri | the frequency could be boosted/locked so there will be no glitches |
| 12:55:05 | amiconn | Slasheri: Do you change the timer interval for different cpu frequencies? |
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| 12:55:22 | preglow | Slasheri: or you could just lock the brightness at a specific setting before a cpu_boost |
| 12:55:26 | Slasheri | amiconn: yep, at every interrupt the correct frequency is calculated |
| 12:56:04 | Slasheri | frequency=intervall |
| 12:56:34 | amiconn | I think that it might help to avoid glitching if the total interval (Ton + Toff) is a constant number of cycles, regardless of frequency |
| 12:58:39 | Slasheri | Hmm, maybe. Or TRR1 could be updated on every cpu frequency change. That should also fix it |
| 12:58:52 | Slasheri | now some food :) -> |
| 12:59:42 | Audiophil | slasheri: anything new on the dim lights? |
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| 13:07:19 | amiconn | LinusN: Indeed the 2 checks in mp3data.c just filter out layer 1 files in a cumbersome way |
| 13:08:13 | preglow | filtering out layer1 files should just be a compare |
| 13:09:38 | Slasheri | Audiophil: yes, now testing dimming remote and main screen at same time |
| 13:10:35 | Audiophil | available in bleeding edge release? |
| 13:10:46 | Slasheri | not yet |
| 13:11:02 | Audiophil | pity |
| 13:11:45 | Slasheri | i will commit it as soon as the code is stable and clean enough |
| 13:11:56 | Audiophil | yep, good! |
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| 13:12:40 | Audiophil | someone should make a wps-simulator/editor |
| 13:13:05 | Audiophil | too bad i don't know any programming languages :/ |
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| 13:18:24 | Audiophil | is the peakmeter not functioning on the iriver port? |
| 13:18:37 | Slasheri | no |
| 13:18:52 | Audiophil | oki |
| 13:18:55 | Slasheri | :) |
| 13:19:06 | Slasheri | that will be implemented later |
| 13:19:20 | preglow | how does the peak meter behave for archos? |
| 13:19:25 | preglow | long decay? no decay? |
| 13:19:33 | bipak_ | who needs a peakmeter? :> |
| 13:20:53 | amiconn | preglow: See General settings -> Display -> Peak meter |
| 13:21:25 | Audiophil | but i encountered one error, the recursive folder adding to playlists only works 1 level |
| 13:21:52 | Audiophil | if i add album\*.mp3 it'll work, but artist\album\*.mp3 won't work |
| 13:31:17 | preglow | my, musepack seeking will be a hack |
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| 13:34:20 | Seed | I'm an old hack too, but I still manage to get through life fine :) |
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| 13:52:47 | Slasheri | Hmm, does the remote lcd have a EL-backlight? |
| 13:53:01 | Slasheri | It seems to be not dimmable (flickers and color changes) |
| 13:53:44 | crwl | color changes? :) |
| 13:54:18 | Slasheri | yep, from green to blue while it's being dimmed ;) |
| 13:54:21 | crwl | several older panasonic mobile phones had changeable backlight colors, that was quite l337 |
| 13:54:32 | crwl | up to seven colors in one model |
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| 13:54:51 | Slasheri | :D |
| 13:55:08 | belgarath | ooh are there any other remote backlight colours? |
| 13:55:41 | Slasheri | no, i just think that remote lcd has an el backlight and it does not like being dimmed |
| 13:55:52 | belgarath | ok |
| 13:55:57 | preglow | el backlight? |
| 13:56:13 | Slasheri | electro-luminense or something like that (not led backlight) |
| 13:56:16 | Slasheri | but i am not sure about that |
| 13:56:42 | Slasheri | at least the dimming is not possible because it flickers too much |
| 13:57:08 | Slasheri | I will just comment out the remote lcd dimming code |
| 13:57:41 | amiconn | Yes el == electro luminescence |
| 13:57:51 | preglow | not familiar with that |
| 13:58:05 | amiconn | You can't dim el backlights with pwm |
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| 14:22:49 | belgarath | i noticed that using the remote with rockbox firmware means it does not tick - will it still not tick when it has a WPS and scrolling? |
| 14:25:27 | preglow | it will tick |
| 14:25:34 | preglow | it sure does when i log to it while using it, at least |
| 14:25:44 | preglow | but we might slow the speed of the transfer to make it less noticable |
| 14:26:35 | belgarath | ok |
| 14:26:39 | belgarath | just wondering |
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| 14:45:20 | Slasheri | Hmm, i will now commit the initial backlight fader |
| 14:45:33 | preglow | do so |
| 14:45:35 | HCl | i thought it didn't work? |
| 14:45:50 | Slasheri | i will just check the code that it should not break anything |
| 14:46:10 | Slasheri | HCl: it works on main unit, not on remote lcd |
| 14:46:16 | HCl | ahh. |
| 14:46:17 | HCl | okay |
| 14:46:18 | HCl | :) |
| 14:46:38 | Slasheri | preglow: the cpu frequency change is still unhandled. please hack it if you have some time ;) |
| 14:46:45 | preglow | no time :/ |
| 14:46:57 | Slasheri | ok, i can look at it later |
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| 14:54:06 | Slasheri | preglow: committed, please test :) |
| 14:54:35 | preglow | will in a moment |
| 14:54:37 | preglow | just finish something |
| 14:54:40 | Slasheri | good :) |
| 14:56:06 | Teslacute | I've been reading the battery FAQ, specifically the bit about leaving the player connected to the mains for a while. Do you know whether that's the same on the H100's or just the Archos? |
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| 14:56:59 | preglow | dAMN, that's some interrupt handler :PP |
| 14:57:31 | Slasheri | Teslacute: Hmm, i think you shouldn't worry about that. Irivers has litium polymer battery and hardware charging control so you can charge the battery anytime you wish |
| 14:57:56 | Slasheri | And new replacement batteries are pretty cheap also :) |
| 14:58:28 | Chamois | Slasheri : the backlight is beautiful now |
| 14:58:28 | Slasheri | preglow: Yep, a bit monster for an interrupt handler ;D |
| 14:58:30 | Chamois | congrats |
| 14:58:36 | Slasheri | :) |
| 14:59:59 | Teslacute | @Slasheri: I leave it plugged in for days on end and use it as the core of a hi-fi system, the charging indicator turns off and I presumed it left the batteries alone from then on and just ran itself off the mains but after the FAQ I'm not sure... |
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| 15:00:33 | Slasheri | Hmm, i think it should not charge the batteries when the led is off.. |
| 15:00:44 | Slasheri | So it should be safe to leave it connected |
| 15:00:47 | belgarath | no i think it always runs off the battery even when connected |
| 15:01:22 | preglow | fade looks very nice |
| 15:01:25 | belgarath | but seeing as its li polymer and not nimh it shouldn't really matter |
| 15:01:27 | preglow | still a bit long for my taste |
| 15:01:41 | Chamois | maybe an option to choose the time |
| 15:02:05 | Slasheri | preglow: that can be configured. Maybe some menu option should be added |
| 15:02:29 | preglow | don't know if i'd say an option is needed |
| 15:02:31 | belgarath | would you be able to change the brightness of the led so that it is constantly dimmer than normal? |
| 15:02:37 | preglow | but that's just my opinion |
| 15:02:48 | Slasheri | preglow: i like a longer fade :) |
| 15:03:23 | Teslacute | thanks guys, it only has to last a few years anyway. |
| 15:03:30 | preglow | we've gotta make feel seeking play sound some time |
| 15:03:36 | preglow | i hate not hearing where i am while seeking |
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| 15:03:59 | Slasheri | belgarath: it is possible but it might eat more battery than it saves |
| 15:04:13 | preglow | it's worth testing, though, backlight does eat quite a bit |
| 15:04:26 | belgarath | ok |
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| 15:05:30 | kenshin | preglow: did you ever get a cross-compiler built in amd64? |
| 15:05:35 | preglow | no |
| 15:05:42 | preglow | i use my server box, which is 32 bit, for this |
| 15:05:53 | kenshin | damn |
| 15:05:54 | preglow | trying to build the cross compiler on my amd64 box didn't work |
| 15:05:57 | preglow | it bugged out |
| 15:06:12 | kenshin | yeah, i have the same problem you had |
| 15:06:16 | belgarath | the fade works really well i think |
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| 15:06:37 | webguest83 | hi |
| 15:07:02 | kenshin | running in a 32-bit chroot seems to work but that's a pain |
| 15:07:07 | preglow | oh yes |
| 15:07:20 | preglow | not all things are 64 bit ready yet, i'm afraid |
| 15:07:59 | webguest83 | i was reading misticriver forums before in h300 section and 1 poster said at moment playback is only a hack because it is a plugin and other plugins can interfere with it. Is this true? |
| 15:08:15 | preglow | webguest83: it's not exactly a hack |
| 15:08:18 | webguest83 | i meant for h100 of course |
| 15:08:24 | preglow | webguest83: but we need to fix that, yes |
| 15:08:48 | preglow | other plugins WILL interfere with it |
| 15:08:57 | preglow | you can't use plugins while playing music currently |
| 15:09:00 | preglow | but like i said, that'll be fixed |
| 15:09:31 | webguest83 | i guess it would be silly to ask for a timescale since you guys work at your own pace on your own time |
| 15:09:36 | preglow | indeed |
| 15:09:38 | preglow | why does it matter? |
| 15:10:06 | preglow | fixing this shouldn't be _that_ much of a job, so i hope it'll be done soon |
| 15:10:08 | preglow | couple of weeks, perhaps |
| 15:10:08 | webguest83 | why does what matter? |
| 15:10:13 | preglow | but no guarantees |
| 15:10:13 | webguest83 | k |
| 15:12:24 | webguest83 | its just i thought this multi codec architecture and playback stuff that everyone was sort of avoiding until slasheri came along was the proper thing not a plugin. but what does it matter to me. ill just keep waiting (not in a bad way), rockbox is free |
| 15:13:49 | preglow | i don't understand what you mean |
| 15:13:55 | preglow | codecs will always be plugins |
| 15:14:07 | preglow | if not, we'd have to keep all of them in memory at once, that'd be a waste of ram |
| 15:14:13 | preglow | we just need to make a new kind of plugin for codecs |
| 15:14:30 | preglow | so we'll have to types of plugins: ordinary plugins and codec plugins |
| 15:14:39 | preglow | the second part is missing right now |
| 15:14:53 | webguest83 | do those ipodlinux guys ever come in here? someone posted the other day about them getting video to work at 15 fps though with no sound currently and video is uncompressed. will rockbox be around 15 fps with sound or different? |
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| 15:15:05 | preglow | no idea |
| 15:15:06 | belgarath | are OTF playlists on the db feasible? |
| 15:15:24 | preglow | some of them come in here occasionally, yes |
| 15:15:38 | preglow | uncompressed video isn't really feasible for the newer platforms |
| 15:15:40 | markun | Slasheri: The backlight dimming looks very nice! |
| 15:15:50 | Slasheri | markun: thx :) |
| 15:16:06 | belgarath | yes its difficult to notice when the backlight comes in its so gradu |
| 15:16:12 | belgarath | *gradual and subtle |
| 15:16:26 | belgarath | its great |
| 15:18:10 | webguest83 | hmm I've had the bootloader ready to flash for a while now, but I've held back to see if any scary bugs pop up. whats the longet you guys have used rockbox on h1x0 without a crash or needing reset button? |
| 15:18:23 | leftright | dont know if fade in is a good idea, would prefer it to be instant, |
| 15:18:24 | webguest83 | longest* |
| 15:18:26 | preglow | if you're afraid of using the reset button, keep away |
| 15:18:33 | webguest83 | ok fair enough |
| 15:18:36 | preglow | it shouldn't happen much, but it'll happen |
| 15:18:45 | preglow | no players have been destroyed using rockbox so far |
| 15:18:49 | preglow | i've reset my player hundreds of times |
| 15:19:09 | preglow | but that's because i'm a developer |
| 15:19:10 | webguest83 | the other i saw someone say there were lots of 'crosslinked' sectors on their disk when they used some diskchecking utility |
| 15:19:20 | webguest83 | what are these 'crosslinked' sectors? |
| 15:19:26 | preglow | no idea, never heard of them |
| 15:19:34 | webguest83 | other day* arg cant blody type |
| 15:19:38 | webguest83 | bloody* :P |
| 15:19:44 | preglow | yeah, i saw it, i still have no idea |
| 15:19:48 | preglow | that might not be rockbox' fault |
| 15:19:58 | preglow | when in usb mode, rockbox has no control over what's being done to the disk |
| 15:20:13 | preglow | and that's when most of the disk writing is being done |
| 15:20:24 | preglow | windows have corrupted my disks for me tons of times |
| 15:21:00 | belgarath | i need to send my h120 to germany/usa as my reset button is almost unusable |
| 15:21:09 | belgarath | never use sharp pins! |
| 15:21:11 | webguest83 | ! |
| 15:21:18 | preglow | i don't know how you guys manage it ;) |
| 15:21:24 | preglow | i've used my reset button god knows how many times |
| 15:21:27 | belgarath | A |
| 15:21:29 | preglow | it works perfectly still |
| 15:21:32 | belgarath | a paperclip works fine |
| 15:21:40 | preglow | i use a tiny torx screwdriver |
| 15:21:50 | preglow | it fits very perfectly |
| 15:21:53 | preglow | so i guess that helps |
| 15:22:34 | webguest83 | do any of you guys have the h3x0 or h300 remote yet? |
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| 15:23:07 | ashridah | webguest83: a crosslinked sector is when two files's FAT cluster sequences point to the same cluster |
| 15:23:36 | webguest83 | and how bad is that? |
| 15:23:53 | ashridah | well, it means one of the files is broken, or both |
| 15:24:01 | webguest83 | ow |
| 15:24:28 | belgarath | that can't be due to rockbox though? |
| 15:26:09 | Slasheri | hehe, i have used 5mm led to reset the iriver hundred of times ;D |
| 15:26:33 | preglow | hahaha |
| 15:26:52 | kenshin | yes, one of those big paperclips fits perfectly in reset |
| 15:27:08 | Slasheri | thick paperclip could be better but i have leds and other components everywhere :P |
| 15:27:19 | kenshin | have one in my car, in the leater case's belt loop, and plenty at home and work. ;) |
| 15:27:35 | belgarath | now I have to spend ages wiggling around the reset hole with a paperclip... |
| 15:27:39 | kenshin | leather* |
| 15:27:49 | belgarath | and iRiver aren't responding at all to my emails |
| 15:30:10 | preglow | well |
| 15:30:12 | preglow | go figure |
| 15:30:25 | preglow | i don't think they're eager to repair the damages you've done to a device not using their os ;) |
| 15:31:18 | belgarath | well I didn't really say that I was using rockbox |
| 15:34:12 | HCl | but the normal firmware barely requires you to reset it though. |
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| 15:34:37 | preglow | i've never had the ordinary firmware lock up |
| 15:35:32 | leftright | no resets with R-box yet, |
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| 15:56:03 | ]RowaN[ | love the backlight dimming guys =] |
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| 16:09:19 | kenshin | is the WPS supposed to work in the simulator? |
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| 18:32:36 | HCl | mrf. |
| 18:32:44 | HCl | its unusually quiet here. |
| 18:33:14 | CoCoLUS | no |
| 18:33:20 | CoCoLUS | it was just unusually loud the last days |
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| 18:38:03 | HCl | mm. |
| 18:38:05 | HCl | i dunno. |
| 18:38:33 | Audiophil | slasheri, how do i enable backlight dimming? |
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| 18:38:57 | Tangleding | :) |
| 18:40:10 | Audiophil | anyone else knows? |
| 18:41:16 | Tangleding | what's the question? |
| 18:41:24 | Tangleding | (not sure i can help) |
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| 18:41:41 | kenshin | i just loaded a build of the latest CVS source and dimming was on by default |
| 18:41:49 | Tangleding | indeed |
| 18:42:10 | Tangleding | seems it isn't de/activable from menu for now |
| 18:42:22 | Tangleding | "initial support" says the CVS log ;) |
| 18:42:54 | kenshin | i'm sure there will be a menu option within a week or so |
| 18:43:01 | hubbel | Slasheri: just wondering why you used TIMTER1 and not "tick_add_task" functionality? |
| 18:43:08 | Tangleding | with no doubt |
| 18:45:38 | Tangleding | anyway the dimming is nice to be true |
| 18:45:40 | Tangleding | :) |
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| 18:47:23 | Tangleding | Something that would be nice as a fix for later |
| 18:47:28 | Tangleding | : |
| 18:47:53 | Tangleding | allow the remote EL-light to be always ON only with AC power |
| 18:47:54 | Tangleding | ;) |
| 18:49:25 | Tangleding | about future ticking issue |
| 18:49:35 | Tangleding | i was wondering if something couldn't be done: |
| 18:49:53 | Tangleding | what about freezing remote scrolling during HD access? |
| 18:50:01 | Tangleding | it will fix the proble, no? |
| 18:50:22 | Tangleding | (excluding during navigation of course) |
| 18:51:33 | Slasheri | hubbel: Hmm, that's a good question. Nobody told me about that function ;) Maybe it would worked too |
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| 19:00:55 | markun | Does anyone know why the settings need to be saved when you pause? (only when resume is enabled) |
| 19:01:55 | Tangleding | Hi Markun |
| 19:01:57 | Tangleding | :) |
| 19:02:01 | markun | hey |
| 19:02:07 | Tangleding | really don't know |
| 19:02:09 | Tangleding | :/ |
| 19:02:32 | markun | Me neither. I would guess it's only needed when you press stop.. |
| 19:02:45 | Tangleding | in fact i'm not sure i understood |
| 19:03:17 | Tangleding | you talk about the config saved in inacessible HD part? |
| 19:03:22 | Tangleding | or *.cfg one? |
| 19:03:43 | markun | If you have resume enabled and you press pause during playback the settings are being written to the inacessible HD part. |
| 19:04:01 | Tangleding | okay$ |
| 19:04:07 | Tangleding | and not in STOP mode? |
| 19:04:53 | markun | let me check.. |
| 19:06:52 | markun | Hm, no, don't think so. |
| 19:07:15 | hubbel | Slasheri: think it would be cleaner to use that instead of using the other timer (which might be needed for some more critical function) |
| 19:07:49 | markun | Tangleding: I was mistaken, there is also HD activity if you press stop. |
| 19:08:06 | Tangleding | okay no problem |
| 19:08:10 | Tangleding | anyway |
| 19:08:18 | Tangleding | i was just making hypothesis |
| 19:08:25 | Tangleding | (i m not a developer) |
| 19:08:31 | Slasheri | hubbel: that's true.. maybe it should moved to use kernel tick timer if it works that way |
| 19:08:53 | hubbel | Slasheri: think timer0 is at 100 hz |
| 19:09:15 | Slasheri | ah! |
| 19:09:19 | Slasheri | it's not possible |
| 19:09:23 | Tangleding | (i imagine the safe HDD part couldn't be acceeded in play mode?) |
| 19:10:10 | Slasheri | current implementation needs to change timer period and kernel timer resolution is not high enough for that |
| 19:13:10 | Slasheri | 100 Hz could be enough for some kind of dimming, but it would require to toggle backlight on every tick (or to do some calculations) and pwm cycles couldn't be long.. So that would be pretty inefficient and could lead to visible steps during dimming |
| 19:15:16 | Tangleding | have good time all |
| 19:15:18 | Tangleding | :) |
| 19:15:22 | Tangleding | i leave |
| 19:15:34 | Slasheri | bye :) |
| 19:15:38 | Slasheri | i go to sauna -> |
| 19:15:39 | Tangleding | :) |
| 19:15:44 | Tangleding | eh eh |
| 19:16:04 | markun | have a nice time then |
| 19:33:39 | hubbel | Slasheri: aha.. ok =) |
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| 19:42:43 | Tangleding | Hi |
| 19:42:44 | Tangleding | ive a question |
| 19:44:59 | linuxstb | Ask away... |
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| 19:50:00 | Spack | hi |
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| 19:59:36 | HCl | god i hate tv commercials |
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| 20:01:48 | elinenbe | HCl: great words of wisdom :-) |
| 20:01:55 | HCl | :P |
| 20:02:19 | HCl | i swear. some of these commercials make me want to torture the guy who thought of them. |
| 20:02:41 | HCl | renault = bad commercials |
| 20:02:47 | HCl | and theres this local digital tv company |
| 20:02:50 | HCl | who has even worse commercials |
| 20:04:05 | elinenbe | local commercials are always the worst |
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| 20:09:02 | Tangleding | sorry i had to make some shopping |
| 20:09:29 | Tangleding | it's about Lame and gapless |
| 20:09:47 | Tangleding | is the issue solved or not? |
| 20:09:55 | Tangleding | i tested with latest build |
| 20:10:19 | Tangleding | and it was absolutely gapless when i used ff fw to get near track skipping |
| 20:10:32 | Tangleding | but a firend told me he experimented same using ff fw |
| 20:10:53 | Tangleding | but when he let the track ending "naturally" there was a little gap |
| 20:10:59 | Tangleding | isn't this strange? |
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| 20:11:53 | Tangleding | hello Preglow |
| 20:11:54 | Tangleding | :) |
| 20:11:58 | preglow | Tangleding: if you used ff/rw as well, then it's pure luck you got gapless |
| 20:12:05 | preglow | seeking is very inaccurate |
| 20:12:18 | preglow | that is, it's not pure luck, actually |
| 20:12:29 | Slasheri | Hmm, forward seeking should be quite stable with mp3 :) |
| 20:12:29 | preglow | but like i said on ha, gapless playback does not work currently |
| 20:12:32 | Tangleding | indeed it's imprecise |
| 20:12:42 | Tangleding | but not to much |
| 20:12:48 | preglow | Slasheri: stable, yes, but not precise |
| 20:12:58 | Tangleding | okay gapless still doesnt work |
| 20:13:10 | Slasheri | preglow: yes, but at least it shouldn't now mess with the buffer position |
| 20:13:12 | preglow | no it doesn't, and i don't know why |
| 20:13:16 | Tangleding | i wonder why it was gapless using ff fwrd |
| 20:13:36 | preglow | Slasheri: i managed to lock playback up when i seeked to a position that hadn't been buffered yet. this was yesterday |
| 20:13:43 | preglow | Slasheri: i couldn't reproduce it, though |
| 20:13:55 | Slasheri | ah.. interesting |
| 20:13:57 | preglow | Tangleding: luck |
| 20:14:02 | preglow | Tangleding: some files just wont work yet |
| 20:14:32 | preglow | Slasheri: i tried the same thing afterwards, then it worked fine, but the time before that, the playback just stopped, with the hdd led blinking fast |
| 20:14:40 | preglow | Slasheri: and it never stopped buffering, it seemed |
| 20:14:46 | Tangleding | okay thats very curious |
| 20:14:51 | Tangleding | indeed |
| 20:14:54 | Slasheri | hmm, ok |
| 20:15:29 | Slasheri | i will do some small redesing to buffer filling system so that it would never block. That should solve some problems |
| 20:15:56 | preglow | Tangleding: don't hold your breath for gapless to work, unless amiconn or anyone else fixes it. i'm very busy right now |
| 20:16:09 | preglow | Slasheri: that sounds nice |
| 20:16:17 | preglow | but anywho, gotta go again |
| 20:16:20 | preglow | later |
| 20:16:20 | hubbel | hm.. I'm using the remote-lcd to display recording waveform in realtime |
| 20:16:30 | preglow | hubbel: 1!! |
| 20:16:35 | Slasheri | cool :) |
| 20:16:52 | preglow | hubbel: gotten anywhere with the recording test, btw? |
| 20:17:06 | hubbel | i've also hacked together with a buffers and threads |
| 20:17:22 | hubbel | so the dma1 notifies the main thread when data has arrived |
| 20:17:28 | Tangleding | ok Preglow |
| 20:17:31 | Tangleding | no problem |
| 20:17:55 | preglow | hubbel: any commits coming up? :) |
| 20:18:25 | hubbel | maybe tomorrow |
| 20:18:35 | Tangleding | :) |
| 20:19:19 | hubbel | must try to write wav to disk and see how stable the code is =) |
| 20:19:59 | preglow | hmm, i suddenly find myself wanting to write an aiff codec plugin |
| 20:20:04 | preglow | time to go before i actually do it |
| 20:20:05 | preglow | later |
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| 20:20:52 | Tangleding | aiff? |
| 20:21:00 | Tangleding | isn't a MacIntosh format? |
| 20:21:20 | hubbel | think speex is going to be very handy to record longs sessions of speach.. 8 kbit/s and 16 kbit/s sounds pretty nice actually, so we only have to spin up the harddisk once in an hour or so =) |
| 20:21:49 | hubbel | speech =) |
| 20:22:52 | Tangleding | speex yes i Dled it yesteray |
| 20:22:55 | Tangleding | in prevision |
| 20:22:56 | Tangleding | :D |
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| 21:02:32 | Moos | Hi Linus |
| 21:02:37 | LinusN | yo |
| 21:02:45 | Moos | ca va? |
| 21:03:25 | LinusN | ca va bien merci, et toi? |
| 21:03:46 | Moos | trés bien merci :) |
| 21:04:24 | Moos | still in vacations? ;) |
| 21:04:37 | LinusN | yup |
| 21:04:51 | Moos | :) |
| 21:06:15 | Moos | i hope you've got still a bit of your time for Rockbox ;) |
| 21:06:46 | LinusN | certainly |
| 21:07:11 | Moos | :P |
| 21:07:26 | LinusN | Slasheri: i like the backlight fading, but i think it should only fade out, not in |
| 21:08:10 | Slasheri | LinusN: Hmm, maybe that should be configurable.. I like fade in too :) |
| 21:08:30 | Moos | maybe an option? |
| 21:08:33 | LinusN | definitely configurable |
| 21:08:59 | LinusN | i use to push a key to light the backlight, to see what's playing |
| 21:09:15 | LinusN | and then i don't want to wait for the backlight to go on |
| 21:09:24 | Slasheri | ah, ok :) |
| 21:09:39 | LinusN | especially not when driving a car |
| 21:11:51 | CoCoLUS | a question... i have a directory with 676 files in it |
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| 21:12:07 | CoCoLUS | when i try to open it, rockbox displays dir buffer full and displays only some of the files |
| 21:12:14 | CoCoLUS | how can i increase the dir buffer? |
| 21:12:29 | CoCoLUS | there's an option in the settings under "limits", however, changing it doesn't help |
| 21:13:18 | LinusN | CoCoLUS: there is a faq you know |
| 21:13:41 | LinusN | and a manual |
| 21:13:50 | LinusN | anyway, you need to reboot |
| 21:14:10 | LinusN | set the option, exit the menu back to the browser, then shut off |
| 21:14:11 | CoCoLUS | ah... well *blush* |
| 21:14:20 | Tangleding | hi linus |
| 21:14:22 | Tangleding | :) |
| 21:14:42 | CoCoLUS | well... with every other setting -not- needing a reboot... *cough* |
| 21:15:12 | LinusN | CoCoLUS: yes, the limits settings are special |
| 21:15:31 | CoCoLUS | who would have reckoned such a windows-like behavour here? ;) |
| 21:15:39 | CoCoLUS | anyway, thanks. |
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| 21:16:21 | Moos | Tang: re |
| 21:16:31 | LinusN | CoCoLUS: it's because the buffers are allocated at boot |
| 21:17:03 | hubbel | I really like to be able to logf to the remote lcd =) |
| 21:17:20 | LinusN | hubbel: then do it |
| 21:17:27 | CoCoLUS | is there a negative sideeffect when i increase them to much? |
| 21:17:42 | LinusN | CoCoLUS: smaller audio buffer |
| 21:18:06 | CoCoLUS | is that noticeable when i increase it from 400 to lets say 1000 ? |
| 21:18:07 | LinusN | CoCoLUS: it's not that much of a problem on iriver, but it is on archos |
| 21:18:11 | hubbel | LinusN: i do it all the time =) |
| 21:18:24 | LinusN | hubbel: ah, i misunderstood |
| 21:18:43 | LinusN | CoCoLUS: no, you won't notice |
| 21:18:59 | CoCoLUS | nice, thanks. |
| 21:19:24 | LinusN | btw, 676 files in one dir? you're nuts! |
| 21:19:47 | Tangleding | sorry i went away |
| 21:19:50 | Tangleding | back now |
| 21:19:52 | Tangleding | :) |
| 21:19:54 | linuxstb | I've just added logf to the plugin interface - can someone have a quick look to make sure it's OK? I've just duplicated the logic of the DEBUGF macro. |
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| 21:20:28 | LinusN | try it, if it works it's probably ok :-) |
| 21:20:37 | Tangleding | any opinion on this: |
| 21:20:38 | CoCoLUS | yeah it's somewhat of a remnant |
| 21:20:48 | CoCoLUS | from the time where i didn't organize my music properly :) |
| 21:20:54 | CoCoLUS | when |
| 21:21:06 | Tangleding | about future ticking issue |
| 21:21:21 | Tangleding | i was wondering if something couldn't be done: |
| 21:21:23 | Tangleding | what about freezing remote scrolling during HD access? |
| 21:21:32 | Tangleding | what about freezing remote scrolling during HD access? |
| 21:21:40 | Tangleding | (excluding during navigation of course) |
| 21:22:13 | LinusN | Tangleding: why? |
| 21:22:43 | Tangleding | the ticking isn't due to interference with HD access? |
| 21:23:14 | linuxstb | LinusN: In which case, it's probably OK.... |
| 21:23:29 | LinusN | Tangleding: i don't know, but i doubt it |
| 21:23:43 | Tangleding | okay |
| 21:23:44 | LinusN | does rockbox tick? |
| 21:23:51 | Tangleding | indeed |
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| 21:24:05 | Tangleding | it tick with audio playback and LCD scrolling |
| 21:24:10 | Tangleding | i do'nt |
| 21:24:15 | Moos | for me this like a beep but for remote |
| 21:24:18 | Tangleding | remember who assured this |
| 21:24:45 | LinusN | i have to go now |
| 21:24:47 | Moos | it's propably wanted by iriver fw |
| 21:24:51 | LinusN | cu around |
| 21:24:59 | Moos | ciao |
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| 21:25:09 | Tangleding | ciao |
| 21:28:39 | hubbel | Btw, recording is going pretty good.. I've just recorded > 1 minute to a wave file.. also I did a test to show the waveform in realtime on the remote lcd, very nice |
| 21:29:42 | Tangleding | nice hubbel |
| 21:29:43 | Tangleding | :) |
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| 21:48:58 | Yokalosh | when is the next version of rockbox coming out if ever? |
| 21:52:22 | bill2or3 | cool hubbel |
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| 21:59:46 | MisticJeff | Greetings... |
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| 22:00:31 | MisticJeff | Question for preglow or Slasheri: |
| 22:02:14 | MisticJeff | I don't like complaining but i have a request, anyway to have the ability to press any key when the backlight is off and have it just activate the backlight without actually activating the button function? |
| 22:02:41 | preglow | hmm |
| 22:02:48 | ]RowaN[ | that'd suck during the daytime, when you couldnt tell if it was on or off |
| 22:03:05 | ]RowaN[ | you'd see the screen, press a button, and nothing would happen in effect |
| 22:03:15 | preglow | well, you usually know if its on or off |
| 22:03:20 | preglow | if you haven't touched it, it's off |
| 22:03:52 | as | hmm, just a small thing |
| 22:03:56 | mrlala | i usually flip the hold switch on then off again to turn the backlight on really quick |
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| 22:03:58 | ]RowaN[ | what im saying is that in the daytime, you dont need to press once before you can "see" coz you can see anyway even with the backlight off |
| 22:04:01 | thegeek | on resume, it asks for PLAY button |
| 22:04:08 | thegeek | this is joystick press on irirver rockbox |
| 22:04:11 | ]RowaN[ | just press vol up/down |
| 22:04:17 | thegeek | but there is a dedicated play button too |
| 22:04:21 | thegeek | this is confusing. |
| 22:04:53 | Slasheri | Hmm, i think that backlight should active when player is on hold and user presses any key |
| 22:05:04 | ]RowaN[ | who would i need to nag around here to get fade out on track skip option implemented? |
| 22:05:10 | Slasheri | *activate |
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| 22:06:15 | Slasheri | ]RowaN[: at least crossfade on track skip will be implemented later |
| 22:06:39 | ]RowaN[ | ok cool |
| 22:06:52 | Slasheri | but maybe fade out only is a good idea if crossfade is not available at the moment you skip the track |
| 22:07:18 | preglow | you can switch of fade out |
| 22:07:24 | preglow | it's been in settings for a long time |
| 22:07:44 | MisticJeff | what do you think guys?? |
| 22:08:09 | preglow | personally i don't think i'll ever need it, but i see how it can be useful, yes |
| 22:08:12 | CoCoLUS | preglow, about the bass/treble settings, they are equal to the iriver settings, are they? |
| 22:08:22 | preglow | CoCoLUS: should be |
| 22:08:42 | MisticJeff | nothing more agrivating that hitting the joystick to the right or left while a song is playing but the backlight is off and then skipping to the next song when all you wanted to do was turn on the backlight to see what was up |
| 22:08:47 | CoCoLUS | because i got distortions using the same settings as with the orig. fw on some tracks |
| 22:08:52 | CoCoLUS | noticable on the new jack johnson ;) |
| 22:12:38 | CoCoLUS | didn't amiconn report something similar? |
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| 22:14:56 | MisticJeff | ahhhh... MisticJeff solved own problem by realizing the record button currently does nothing while a song is playing, activates the backlight nicely. Back into lurkdom |
| 22:15:08 | preglow | MisticJeff: well, let's hope that lasts... |
| 22:15:20 | preglow | CoCoLUS: iriver firmware might be compensating by reducing the main volume |
| 22:15:47 | CoCoLUS | and that could be tested/confirmed by doing... what? :) |
| 22:16:29 | preglow | by doing the same in rockbox? |
| 22:16:43 | CoCoLUS | and comparing the output |
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| 22:22:18 | ]RowaN[ | <Slasheri> but maybe fade out only is a good idea if crossfade is not available at the moment you skip the track |
| 22:22:19 | ]RowaN[ | What seems to happen when you skip tracks in winamp (when using DirectSound output plugin) is that the current song fades out quickly (in 500ms) but the next track seems to start almost immediately. It might sound strange, but I think its just perfect because its happy medium between crossfading and not crossfading - the next track starts immediatly (so you're not waiting around to hear it), yet the song you leave doesnt end |
| 22:25:24 | ]RowaN[ | basically the 2 songs are playing at the same time for a very small moment (1st track is fading, next track starts over the top at full volume) |
| 22:25:39 | ]RowaN[ | its very pleasing on the ears =] |
| 22:26:19 | ]RowaN[ | one of those features that is a pain to live without once you've got used to it |
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| 23:20:50 | Bagder | cleaning |
| 23:22:55 | elinenbe | need a roomba? |
| 23:23:54 | Bagder | I need clues |
| 23:23:56 | Bagder | :-) |
| 23:24:13 | Bagder | I wonder if the h300 has the same adc support has the h100 |
| 23:24:24 | Bagder | as the... |
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| 23:27:05 | Musicmad | hubbel: just read the irc log. You did som recording on the iriver? |
| 23:28:37 | preglow | yes, he did |
| 23:28:42 | preglow | i also have done so ;) |
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| 23:29:12 | Musicmad | ok :) - he just mentioned realtime display of the waveform being recorded. That would be a kick ass feature I think. |
| 23:29:18 | preglow | yes, i agree |
| 23:29:20 | preglow | it's very cool |
| 23:29:43 | Musicmad | nice when checking for "overs". |
| 23:29:52 | Musicmad | current firmware ready lacks in this aspect. |
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| 23:37:43 | hubbel | Musicmad: yes, support for recording is on it's way |
| 23:38:02 | Musicmad | great news. |
| 23:38:38 | Bagder | the keypad difference between the h100 and h300 is annoying to fix in the code |
| 23:40:04 | hubbel | It's a tradeoff when selecting size of each sampling-buffer, small is nice when you want a responsive waveform and large is nice because larger write's to the file is more battery efficient I guess |
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| 23:41:12 | hubbel | Or one could use small dma transfers to get the waveform and delaying the write to file until a large-enough size has been sampled.. hm |
| 23:41:34 | Musicmad | sounds good |
| 23:49:28 | preglow | Bagder: i wouldn't say the crt0.S code is MCF5249 specific |
| 23:49:38 | preglow | it's highly dependent on where peripherals are connected, no? |
| 23:49:53 | Bagder | true |
| 23:50:17 | Bagder | it really is h1x0-specific... |
| 23:50:52 | Bagder | I'll revert |
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| 23:55:30 | Bagder | thanks |
| 23:55:34 | preglow | no problem |
| 23:55:34 | preglow | heh |
| 23:55:50 | preglow | i thought about fixing that myself the other day, and thought about it |
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