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#rockbox log for 2005-06-19

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01:07:35XavierGrHi All!
01:18:32preglowBagder: the duplicate targets didn't go away...
01:20:39XavierGryeah that is strange!
01:20:52XavierGrI can see 2 iriver builds for some days now
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01:22:45XavierGrpreglow: do you use a win32 uisimulator for iriver?
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01:26:18preglowXavierGr: no
01:26:36preglowif you're going to ask why it doesn't work, we don't know
01:27:01XavierGrI cant get it to work. All compiles fine but when I try to run the actual .exe file windows pops-up a memory error and quits
01:27:16preglowlike i said
01:27:19preglowwe don't know why it does that
01:27:32XavierGrso it is a known proble,?
01:27:49XavierGrI missed the logs
01:27:54preglowit's a very strange problem, so takes some time to solve
01:28:03XavierGrany alternatives?
01:28:07preglownone i knowof
01:28:09preglowthey work fine here
01:28:11preglowbut i gotta go
01:28:16HCltry colinux
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01:28:45XavierGrwhat is colinux? Another distro?
01:29:12HCllinux on windows
01:29:32XavierGrI have DSL embedded do you think it can do the work?
01:29:44HClits local.
01:30:19XavierGrI mean Damn Small Linux that runs from qemu
01:32:52XavierGrHCl: So use colinux to build a X11 simulator?
01:35:00HClthen use a windows x11 server to connect it to that.
01:36:11XavierGrso this bug is related to a specific build and onwards,right?
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01:37:27Mishter-Nikhey so what does the h300 appearing on the device chart mean?
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01:38:55XavierGrwhat to choose Gentoo or Debian?
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01:40:14HCli'd choose debian.
01:40:28HClMishter-Nik: that defines need to be fixed.
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01:41:23linuxstbXavierGr: It depends on your hardware. In my experience, Debian is one of the slowest distributions in supporting the lastest hardware, but it's my distribution of choice as well.
01:41:34HCllinuxstb: its a virtual machine.
01:42:03Mishter-Nikive only tried debian based distros but i like gentoo
01:42:15linuxstbOK :-). I guess if Debian works for you, then there's no problem in that respect.
01:42:23XavierGrguess I will have to learn Linux in the end. I keep avoiding it, though I have repartioned my iHP with a Knoppix live cd to bbot on the go ;)
01:44:43Mishter-Nikthis may be a stupi question but is linux on the rockbox team linus torvalds?
01:44:52XavierGrGod I love openSource. All these great programs for free! OpenOffice, Gimp, Firefox e.t.c and of course various OS selection, why do I keep using Windows?
01:45:22Mishter-Nikcuz bill gates injected some kind of poison into ur food
01:45:32Mishter-Nikmakgin u use windows
01:45:46HClno, linus is not linus torvalds.
01:46:03Mishter-Niktheres been a little contraversy on mistic river
01:46:20linuxstbThere's a surprise...
01:47:24Mishter-Nikso y is he linus?
01:47:33Mishter-Nikor is taht actualy his name
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01:55:15HClit is actually his name.
01:55:17HClwhy is that so odd.
01:55:23HClits not like there's only one person called linus
01:55:25HClin the world
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02:26:14Mishter-Nikits cuz im american
02:26:21Mishter-Nikim not used to the name
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02:27:22leftrightHCl ?
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02:29:10leftrightnavigating between the dir's and 'view current playlist' screen is not a user friendly experiance
02:33:25leftrightperhaps move the 'view current playlist' menu to the same submenu as, " Playlist,Rename, Delete directory, Create directory "
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03:42:52Stryke`anyone notice a bug where sometimes a song in the current playlist is played twice while others are seemingly randomly skipped?
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05:32:31hubbelrecording test is in the cvs
05:32:40hubbeltime to sleep
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06:27:42shad0w1eyo can i get a remote for a v2 recorder???
06:29:24shad0w1eyo can i get a remote for a v2 recorder???
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06:31:30shad0w1eyo can i get a remote for a v2 recorder???
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11:21:28HClhey t0mas
11:21:42HCl <- funny.
11:22:07HClthat febs person is the only one with some form of brain, heh.
11:22:13HClhe's at least got it right
11:26:26t0masdidn't they see it are RED builds?
11:26:30t0masso non working... :/
11:31:26t0mashm... is rockbox already swimming in the money?
11:31:48t0masI read more and more posts from H3xx donators...
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11:50:34HClits nice of them to donate, but it doesn't mean it will speed up development per-se :/
11:50:47HClwe mostly need money to acquire hardware
11:50:54HCland we already have all the hardware we need for h3x0 port, i think.
11:50:58HClat least, linus does.
11:53:49t0masbut maybe Bagder and Zagor can buy a H3xx too
11:54:19t0masSlasheri: the lcd dimming... is there a global function to set the lcd level?
11:54:28t0masmight be funny to use as a peakmete
11:54:41crwliAudio X5 seems pretty cool
11:54:52*HCl is fine with his iriver :)
11:54:54crwlit's damn thin, at least
11:54:59HClespecially when i finish the runtime database
11:55:04HClthe good news is that i'm getting better
11:55:06crwlit's more interesting than h3xx, i'd say ;)
11:55:12HClheadache went from a killer headache to a normal headache
11:55:48Slasherit0mas: not yet. The problem is that constant dimming might eat more battery than it saves.
11:55:51Slasheriand hi all :)
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11:56:00HClhey Slasheri
11:56:28SlasheriHCl: the event thing implementation requires some redesing to the buffering system and that will take some time
11:56:50t0masSlasheri: I guess so... because it uses more cpu?
11:56:56t0masbut I wanted a flashing iriver ;)
11:57:05t0maspeakmeter value -> lcd dim level
11:57:09HCli'll probably start on the runtime db functions soon
11:57:29HClprobably as soon as i'm fully healed
11:57:33Slasherit0mas: Yep, it generates two interrupts within 5 ms period while backlight is being dimmed. So that might cost some battery
11:57:50t0masSlasheri: can I speed up the dimming a bit?
11:58:04t0maschange BL_PWM_INTERVAL ?
11:58:13Slasheriyes you can, it's currently on BL_SPEED define
11:58:18t0masah ok
11:58:26t0masmaybe that should be configurable
11:58:36SlasheriBL_DIM_SPEED in fact
11:58:43t0mashigher = faster?
11:58:56Slasheriyep.. anybody is welcome to write the configuration entries ;)
11:59:03Slasherino, slower == faster
11:59:20HCllower is faster, i presume?
11:59:22t0masslower == faster? you mean lower?
11:59:30SlasheriAlso reducing BL_PWM_COUNT will result in faster dimming
11:59:36Slasheriah, of course ;D
12:00:53SlasheriHmm.. In fact reducing any of the defines makes the fading faster
12:01:36SlasheriIf you would like to test constant dimming, you should directly set bl_dim_current and disable timer deactivation
12:06:35t0masMy idea was to change dimming from the peakmeter
12:06:47t0masas a nice vis. effect
12:07:09SlasheriHmm, i will correct that timer should be never stopped while lcd is not dimmed to 0% or 100%. Then you just have to add a function to set the bl_dim_current directly
12:07:18Slasheriyes, that's possible
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12:07:50t0masbut it should be configurable
12:08:01t0masnot everybody likes chrismastree like DAP's ;)
12:08:08Slasheriof course ;)
12:08:17Slasherifeel free to add configuration entries
12:08:19t0masgonna take a shower
12:22:42HClbored :/
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12:39:32t0masHCl: go outside with your iriver and read a book...
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12:40:01MoosHi all :)
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12:44:14MoosBagder: problems with CVS table, the two last constructions of hubble and Slasheri don't apears
12:48:15HCldon't have my iriver
12:48:22HClbut i'm improving the searchengine
12:48:46Mooshi HCl
12:49:06Mooshow do you feel?
12:51:13HClheadache is lessening
12:53:38*HCl scratches his head.
12:56:45HCldoes anyone know how you're supposed to sort on two things at the same time?
12:56:54HClsay, most playcount and least recently played
12:59:49linuxstbHCl: You can't sort on two things at the same time - you have to sort on one item first, and then (where the first item is equal), sort on the second item.
13:00:06HClyea, but i'm not sure if that gives the desired functionality...
13:00:07HClSelect to create a running order composed of the most popular and most recently played tracks during a set amount of time. The most frequently played tracks are played first. Settings include 1 day (the default setting), 3 days, 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month, 6 months, and 1 year.
13:00:14HClthats my target
13:00:27HCland i'm not sure how to implement that.
13:01:00HClcause with the method you described, which is the method i know, you give one search thing more priority than the other.
13:01:31linuxstbOne option would be to create two lists - the most popular, and the most recently played, and then interleave them in the playlist.
13:01:35HClmaybe i should create a function that eats both numbers and outputs a relative number
13:01:38HCland sort on that.
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13:01:52HCllike, a high score should be high on the list
13:02:05HCllinuxstb: thats something completely different though.
13:02:34HCli think a fictional sort score function should work..
13:02:45linuxstbYes, that would work.
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13:03:22HClthen i hit the dilemma of what defines the score..
13:04:12HClmaybe its just as simple as adding them together
13:05:19linuxstbAdding what together? What units are you using for "recently played"?
13:06:28HClnothing yet.
13:06:48HClbut i would probably use something like time passed since
13:09:58linuxstbI think the general way to do it would be to score each song on a scale of (e.g.) 0-100 on each of the criteria. You then need to assign weights to each criteria, and calculate a toital score.
13:10:37HCli was thinking of something of playcount*100 divided by the time passed since it was last played..
13:10:48HCli'm not good at thinking up algorhythms.
13:32:07linuxstbHCl: I haven't been following the ID3 database development - are you completely rewriting it?
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13:47:25HCli just rewrote the documentation
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13:49:46linuxstbI thought you were rewriting the songdb program?
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13:52:28webguest98any news on mp3 gapless ?
13:53:33ashridahwebguest98: uh. it works well enough atm? :)
13:54:09webguest98try Dark Side of the Moon
13:54:19webguest98or beatles Abbey Road
13:54:32webguest98or beatles White album
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13:54:42webguest98or Pink floyd Final Cut
13:55:21linuxstbI think it depends how they have been encoded - there are still known problems that preglow is working on.
13:55:41webguest98thank you
13:56:08linuxstbIt's basically at the bug-fixing stage - i.e. it's been implemented, but not working 100% perfectly.
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13:56:22webguest98thats good news indeed
13:56:37linuxstbBut it's always the last 10% of the work that takes 90% of the time...
13:56:59webguest98yes the devil is always in the details
14:01:47t0masthis wheater is to good to code something...
14:02:55*t0mas goes to his girlfriend.. swimming :D
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14:12:02HCllinuxstb: i did that too, mostly because i don't want to work with the perl chaos that the old script was
14:12:14HClwhen it comes to adding runtime database support
14:12:18HClwhich it'll need to have soon.
14:13:15*muesli- yawns
14:19:29Suckahey guys, would it be possible to have an alphabetical index down the side in ID3 tag mode so you can skip straight to a letter, like on the rio karma?
14:24:53webguest98who is the interface designer, all of you or just one individual ?
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14:27:04webguest61is the backlight supposed to fade in as well as out on the latest build?
14:27:12linuxstbwebguest98: I think the answer is "everyone" - developers and users all decide what the interface is like. It's just evolved over the past 3 years or so since Rockbox started.
14:29:31webguest98well I'm hoping that someone will make the 'view current playlist' more user friendly/accessable :)
14:30:25webguest61peak meters don't move :-)
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14:33:37Suckaphew, thought my iriver might have died for a second there
14:33:51webguest98returning to the wps from different screens is messy, it would be nice to return to wps any time by pressing (side button) play
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16:01:28Audiophildoes anyone know how to use the screendump function ?
16:09:36Audiophilthank you!
16:11:34Coldtoastcan't wail til rockbox is finished for Iriver
16:14:04Audiophili hope it never finishes, but i'm really looking forward to a release
16:14:17Coldtoastwhy do you hope it never finishes?
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16:16:20Audiophi|mirc comeback! first time with mirc since last summer
16:16:57Coldtoastwhy do you hope rockbox for iriver is never finished?
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16:17:24Audiophi|finished means no further releases
16:17:44Audiophi|but i'm looking forward to the official releases
16:17:44Coldtoastto me "finished" means everything supported
16:18:04Coldtoastit's nice at the moment tho
16:18:12Coldtoastvery fast
16:18:21Audiophi|i'm looking forward to that too
16:18:33Audiophi|yeah, it's such an improvement
16:19:02Audiophi|thumbsup to linus and all the other devs
16:19:49Audiophi|i donated some money half a year ago, it was worth the waiting
16:20:58ColdtoastI updated to today's build and the fading backlight was a cute surprise
16:22:26Audiophi|yeah, it's nice
16:22:51Audiophi|i'm looking forward to starting on my education, so i can learn C too
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17:04:19*HCl rubs his eyes and stretches
17:17:15ashridahfuck. it took me 5 days, but i managed to finish the main storyline of san andreas.
17:17:27ashridahthis game's fucking huge
17:18:32ashridahnow i've got to find all the tags, horseshoes, and oysters, plus all the races and other shit.
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18:30:04HClyou finished it already?
18:32:24ashridahyeah. well. i had nothing else to do
18:32:35ashridahtook me fucking AGES to get the hang of flying with a keyboard
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18:34:37ashridahi've had it since last tuesday, but since i had an exam to go, and my gm died, i've not been playing it 24x7.
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18:44:44SanI have been away for the weekend and i dont know anything so far but could someone tell me if the port for the H300 has started yet?
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18:47:11Coldtoastthere you go San
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18:47:52SanThanks man
18:48:13linuxstbMost of the code written for the H1x0 will be used in the H3x0 version - so in that respect, it has started. The latest activity has been to create an H3x0 "target" in the Rockbox code that can be used when the work on writing the H3x0 specific code starts.
18:48:39linuxstbAs far as I know, no-one has starting writing any H3x0 specific stuff yet.
18:48:52ColdtoastI'm going to check out this bleedign edge build for my x140 I think
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18:50:51SanAlright, Thanks Linuxstb
18:51:50ColdtoastI noticed there's less of that "POP" noise when pausing/unpausing with the latest release for h1x0
18:52:50webguest66its intermittant now, but better
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18:58:23Coldtoastwith the bleeding edge build I get "Error accessing playlist control file"
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19:08:50linuxstbColdtoast: What do you do to get that error? Can you repeat it?
19:09:07ColdtoastI can
19:09:15ColdtoastI now get it with the daily build
19:09:47Coldtoastbefore updating to bleedign edge, I deleted .rockbox, rockbox.iriver and root.m3u
19:10:09Coldtoastthen copied the new .rockbox and rockbox.iriver bleedign edge
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19:11:15Coldtoastnow Rockbox loads fine and everything but I get no tracklist and if I hit Play, I get that error
19:11:55Coldtoaston teh screen I just have the battery icon, volume icon, play status icon and repeat icon
19:12:51linuxstbIt sounds like your .rockbox directory hasn't been created properly. You should unzip the directly onto your iRiver.
19:13:19ColdtoastI'll do that right now then
19:15:38Coldtoastsame thing
19:15:56Coldtoastit's asking me if I want to resume when I power on
19:16:04ColdtoastI hit YES and get that error
19:16:23Coldtoastif I choose NO then try and play something, same error
19:16:40ColdtoastI generated a new root.m3u using rockbox and same thing still
19:16:41linuxstbDid you increase the limits for the size of your playlists, or number of files in a directory?
19:17:14Coldtoastwhere's that setting?
19:19:28linuxstbDoes increasing the playlist size help? You need to reboot your iriver for the changes to take effect.
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19:19:35Coldtoastwhat's teh playlist control file it's talking about?
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19:20:10Coldtoastdidn't help, no. It was 10,000 so I increased to 11,000
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19:21:22linuxstbI don't know that part of Rockbox very well, but it's a file created in the .rockbox directory called .playlist_control.
19:21:38ColdtoastI don't have it
19:23:12linuxstbCan you see the ".rockbox" directory in the file browser (assuming you have turned on "view all files").
19:24:38Coldtoastaaah! I fixed it
19:24:43Coldtoastwell, not fixed
19:24:53ColdtoastI had File View set to ID3 Tags
19:25:14Coldtoastproably not supported just yet
19:25:48ashridahdamn, that backlight fadeout is sexy++
19:26:41ColdtoastI'll be REALLY happy when I can do everythign via the LCD remote tho
19:26:52ColdtoastI rarely look at the LCD on my player
19:26:56Coldtoastalways use the LCD remote
19:27:29Coldtoasthehe. and thank goodness they fixed Pause in the last few days
19:28:11Coldtoastwhn I hit Stop, it fades out then volume kicks up for a split second then stops playing
19:30:39HClfile view id3 tags works fine.
19:30:51HClyou just gotta create a database
19:31:12Coldtoastusing TDT or something?
19:32:10Coldtoastactually, when the EQ gets more advanced will be nice too
19:32:21HClno. there are tools on the wiki
19:37:51ColdtoastTag & Rename sorry
19:38:01Coldtoasts'what I like
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19:38:51Coldtoastgenerated tdt.db
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19:43:56SanHey, Where do you get to preview thing for the WPS?
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19:56:54TangledingHi MOOS
19:57:12Mooshi Tang
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20:09:00CoCoLUS@ f1
20:09:04CoCoLUSsix cars!
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20:12:56XavierGrHi everybody
20:13:07tvelocityhey XavierGr
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20:18:35TangledingHello Xavier
20:19:15TangledingNice to see that even Rbx coders take some rest for WE... ;)
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20:22:14SlasheriHmm, does anybody know how fast is the dram writing & reading at 120 MHz?
20:22:40tvelocityWE = ?
20:25:05Tangleding13.55.21 # <linuxstb> I think it depends how they have been encoded - there are still known problems that preglow is working on.
20:25:19Tangledingin fact preglow is not working on it anymore catually
20:25:32Tangledinghe changed his pririty
20:28:09Tangleding06.29.24 # <shad0w1e> yo can i get a remote for a v2 recorder???
20:28:19Tangledingis this remote same as a JBM20 one?
20:29:16XavierGrHi Tangleding
20:29:22TangledingHi XavierGr
20:29:40Tangledingwas reading latest IRC logs
20:30:25XavierGris someone working for the remote screen support of iriver?
20:32:53TangledingGood question
20:33:08Tangledingi wonder if t0mas wasn't?
20:33:54DrMousshi guys
20:34:16XavierGrI tried to make something but currently the sim doesnt works in Windows and there is no sim for the remote as I remember
20:34:19DrMousst0mas working on WPS and keys for remote suport
20:34:19TangledingHi :)
20:34:37Tangledingso i wasn't to mistaking
20:34:42Tangledingi go dinner
20:34:44DrMoussand amiconn will work in the graphical suport soon
20:34:54TangledingC U soon
20:34:57Tangleding(or not)
20:34:59DrMoussbonne appétit
20:35:51SlasheriHmm, this needs some optimizations, it's not realtime :/ :
20:35:53Slasheri| buf[i] = ((buf[i] * ((crossfade_rem)*1000/crossfade_amount))/1000)
20:35:53Slasheri| + ((buf2[i] * ((crossfade_amount-crossfade_rem)*1000/crossfade_amount))/1000);
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20:39:47leftrightHi Slaheri, has the fade been been changed to instant on ?
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20:40:14Slasherileftright: There will be a menu option to configure that
20:40:23leftrightah thanks
20:40:31Slasheri(when somebody has time to do it :)
20:44:22DrMoussHi Slasheri, have you got any news about FF/RW problems to fix ?
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20:47:33SlasheriDrMouss: Some backwards seeking is still buggy, some track changing problems are fixed
20:48:04Slasheri*were fixed
20:48:10HClSlasheri: whats the * 1000 / 1000 needed for?
20:48:24DrMoussSlasheri: oki thanks
20:48:41SlasheriHCl: fixed point arithmetics because we don't have a hardware floating point unit
20:49:07DrMousslinuxstb work on it, no?
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20:53:33linuxstbWork on what?
20:54:43telliottAre the songs,db tools working yet?
20:55:02HClthey haven't been broken as far as i know.
20:56:14telliottI'm getting an error message. I'll try again.
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21:00:43XavierGrSlasheri: What about the infamous clicks when audio starts and changing songs?
21:01:25SlasheriXavierGr: now there should be no pause in audio playback when you change to a next song
21:03:41telliottHere is the error I'm getting when running makedb.bat
21:03:43telliottCan't locate in @INC (@INC contains: .) at line 12.
21:03:44telliottBEGIN failed−−compilation aborted at line 12.
21:03:44telliottCompilation failed in require at line 10.
21:03:44DBUGEnqueued KICK telliott
21:03:44telliottBEGIN failed−−compilation aborted at line 10.
21:03:46XavierGrno I am not talking about pauses I am talking about a pop (click) that occurs in track switching. I will test again to seee
21:04:11SlasheriXavierGr: yep, there should be no click because there are no pause
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21:06:26Acksawanyone here?
21:07:07Acksawguess not
21:07:07tvelocityno, 57 persons only
21:07:28telliottI think the programmers have private chats.
21:07:30Acksawsorry im new to IRC i dont understand
21:07:53Acksawso you own a player?
21:08:12Acksawarchos im guessing?
21:08:21Slasheritelliott: no, we don't talk in private about rockbox
21:08:38Acksawi have iriver h320 US edition
21:09:14Tangledingi have a question for prog:
21:09:16Acksawlooks like Rockbox is gonna be making FW for the h300 series next, cant wait
21:09:34Tangledingis the speed accelration bug pattern known or not
21:09:40Acksawi hear it wouldnt take too long either as the hardware is similar to the h100's
21:09:50TangledingIf not i can search to report it
21:10:18Tangleding(the bug occured yesterday as i was hearing music to sleep with sleep timer)
21:11:14XavierGrSlasheri: Did you fix the popping on the newer build? Because I can still hear the pops just before the song begins
21:12:19Acksawcan anyone confirm that the programmers are planning to make h300 fw?
21:12:31SlasheriXavierGr: Hmm, i think the bleeding edge builds are not working at all at the moment :/
21:12:37SlasheriYou have to wait for a daily build
21:12:49Slasherior compile yourself from cvs
21:12:58XavierGrdont work?
21:13:13Slasheriyep, there are no bleeding edge builds at all from today
21:13:31TangledingThe H3xx port is nearly planned
21:13:39Tangledingbut no date
21:13:52telliottLooks like I need to install a proper Pearl. Where can I get it?
21:14:12Tangledingnervertheless LinusN who released iHP1xx bootloader had bought an H3xx and own it
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21:16:17Acksawthats brilliant, cant wait for this now1
21:16:38Tangledingyou'll have to way anyway ;)
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21:17:32Tangledingno one know about this:
21:17:48XavierGrtime for dinner later
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21:18:04Tangledingif the playback speed acceleration bug pattern is known or not?
21:18:24Tangledingi'm really free for making some "empiric" search on this
21:18:35Tangledingif it's still unexplained
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21:19:41HClhm. its febs
21:20:07FebsHi folks. HCl, thanks for recognizing I have a brain!
21:20:11HCl :P
21:20:14Tangledinghi febs
21:20:23HClits not too hard between the rest of misticriver ;p
21:20:48Tangledingi don't know if they have brain
21:21:08Tangledingbut they are nicely doted concerning lazziness
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21:21:25AcksawmIRC confuses me
21:21:52FebsTang: I read the other day that resampling is not yet implemented, so files sampled at less than 44100kHz will playback fast.
21:22:03FebsThat may be the speed acceleration bug you're referring to.
21:22:44Tangledingokay it's that
21:22:55Tangledingi was nearly sleeping
21:23:05Tangledingso i didn't noticed the file spécification
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21:27:52Acksawanyone have an iriver here?
21:29:18Tangledingwhat iRiver?
21:29:31Tangledingi own an iHP140
21:29:56Acksawi got a h320
21:30:02Acksawwish i got a h340 now
21:34:13Acksawthe new archos x5 looks awesome
21:34:50leftrightso buy it
21:35:22Acksawi have an mp3 player already
21:35:34leftrightreally ?
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21:48:46SlasheriOh, i got crossfader speed problem fixed. Now it uses pre-calculated values and is realtime: buf[i] = ((buf[i] * val1) + (buf2[i] * val2)) / 1000;
21:58:15XavierGrwhat options do you think that the crossfader must have?
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21:58:40Slasherimaybe crossfade buffer size should be configurable
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22:04:08XavierGrHi Linus!
22:05:00Tangledinghello Amiconn and Linus :)
22:05:04XavierGrLinus: Any ideas about the windows iriver simulator bug?
22:05:19XavierGroh amiconn joined too?
22:05:22XavierGrhi amiconn
22:06:03LinusNXavierGr: no
22:06:39XavierGrso we dont have a single clue for what it is causing it...
22:07:20LinusNno, not yet
22:09:03amiconnXavierGr: Talking 'bout the crashes of sims on windows?
22:09:35amiconnI tracked down what commit introduced that. Turned out to be the initial checkin of iriver playback code
22:09:55amiconnHowever, I don't know *why* this causes the weird crashes
22:10:19XavierGryeah becaise choice 1 in the configure script (dont remember which model) runs fine
22:10:21LinusNfixed it just now
22:10:39XavierGrso the simalator works now?
22:10:46LinusNyes, commit coming soon
22:11:01amiconnXavierGr: All sims except h1x0 are running fine
22:11:10amiconnLinusN: What was the solution?
22:11:38LinusNnative builds don't like .idata and .icode
22:12:07amiconnAh, that thing again....
22:12:20XavierGrat last I thought it was my fault
22:12:21amiconnWe already had that once...
22:12:40CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
22:12:40*amiconn is surprised about the huge number of commits during the weekend
22:12:41LinusNtime for the IDATA/ICODE macros
22:12:43XavierGrwhat about a remote simulator?
22:12:58LinusNXavierGr: we have that on the x11 version
22:13:06amiconnSeems I need to do a few things more than planned in the next week
22:13:32amiconnXavierGr: I'm thinking about adding that to the win32 sim as well, but I need to prioritise...
22:13:56*amiconn wants 48 hours per day :-/
22:14:25LinusNfix committed
22:14:58amiconnIt's strange that it worked in linux...
22:15:25amiconnBtw, why don't the now-empty columns in the build table vanish?
22:16:47LinusNamiconn: good question
22:20:27Slashericrossfade fixed, works now much better
22:22:14*amiconn has to try fading backlight
22:22:20amiconn*try out
22:24:25DrMoussHi Linus
22:24:30DrMoussand amiconn
22:25:05Stryke`Slasheri: the bug fixes mentioned in your second latest commit, do they address the repeating songs and skipping songs?
22:25:41Slasherimaybe, maybe not. i am not sure but the fixes should correct some problems :)
22:25:47DrMoussLinus: Why all the dailys constructions don't apears in CVS table
22:26:05SlasheriStryke`: please note that bleeding edge builds are currently out of order
22:26:37Stryke`yeah, i see
22:27:16Stryke`i was using rockbox on a long road trip and began to notice the weirdness
22:27:37amiconnLinusN: Now the build table rows are messed up...
22:28:28LinusNamiconn: don't worry
22:29:09LinusNDrMouss: what do you mean
22:30:11DrMousstodays there are 4 or 5 commitings but don't apears in the table with timstamp...
22:30:15DrMoussapear just in logs
22:31:17DrMoussin the table the last build dated at yesterday
22:32:53DrMoussscuse for this question :-)
22:35:25Bagdermy fault, me fix
22:35:43DrMousshi Bagder
22:36:42Bagderhi ho
22:37:00DrMousswooh it's fine now, it's updated
22:37:24DrMoussjust colums problems
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22:37:41Bagderthey're not problems actually
22:37:56preglowamiconn: it seems the iriver firmware (like the archos firmware) decreases the main volume when you increase eq
22:38:03BagderI explained the reason for the gaps on the list
22:39:08amiconnpreglow: I also got the impression that more than a few db of treble/bass lead to clipping in rockbox
22:39:41amiconnHowever, I don't believe this is due to too high main volume, since I'm usually listening at fairly low volume
22:39:43preglowamiconn: it's a fact
22:39:55preglowamiconn: at loudest volume, it clips instantly
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22:40:43amiconnMaybe we need to lower the mixer volume (and could increase main volume accordingly as long as it's not at 100% yet)
22:41:00amiconnSimilar to the MAS3507 prescaler...
22:41:06preglowa naive approach of decreasing the main volume by max(trebleboost, bassboost) if volume max(trebleboost, bassboost) exceeds 0db might work okish
22:41:22amiconnI don't think so
22:41:24preglowthere's a plus sign missing there
22:41:54preglowwell, we dont have very many options, i sure as hell dont know what kind of filters the internal eq uses
22:41:54amiconnE.g. it also clips when I have bass at 6 dB but volume at 50% (which is < -40 dB)
22:42:04preglowalthough it's probably 1st order shelving filters
22:42:21preglowthen it's a digital eq I believe the clipping occurs _before_ the main volume
22:42:31preglowdigital filters, i mean
22:42:41preglowthen we need to decrease the volume ourselves
22:42:54amiconn... and I hope mixer volume happens before treble/bass
22:43:05preglowyes, unless that's the case
22:43:05*amiconn takes a look into the uda manual
22:43:49linuxstbI see David Bryant has added tag support for Wavpack (apev2 tags). Does anyone know if he's working on wavpack encoding, or has plans in that direction?
22:44:10LinusNi have no idea
22:45:01amiconnpreglow: Take a look at page 17 of the uda1380 datasheet :)
22:45:37amiconndeemphasis -> mixer volume -> treble&bass -> interpolation filter -> master volume
22:46:10preglowthen we're fine
22:46:24preglowlinuxstb: that's the plan
22:46:28preglowlinuxstb: he'll be starting on that now
22:46:49preglowlinuxstb: that's wrong, btw, he's going to do a few other opts, then work on encoding
22:47:03amiconnpreglow: So basically we need to decrease mixer volume by MAX(treble_boost, bass_boost) and can increase master volume to compensate
22:47:17amiconn...unless it already is at 0 dB
22:47:31amiconn....exactly what the mas3507d prescaler does
22:47:45amiconnI know these routines...
22:47:53preglowwe might also get away with less decreasing of volume, depending on where the shelving filter cuts
22:47:57XavierGrSlasheri: I made a test again. The click (pop) occurs most of the time even with just pausing. You can hear it clearly with the fade ou/in effect
22:47:59preglowbut for now, it'll do
22:48:03preglowi don't care anyhow
22:48:19preglowbut this very same routine will be needed for my eq as well, but then we need to do the prescale in software :/
22:48:43amiconnSoftware eq should be optional
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22:49:02preglowsure, it wont be activated unless you actually do some adjusting
22:49:15amiconnIt would then be somewhat equivalent to the MAS MDB feature, at least in handling
22:49:37preglowwe might also end up with a replaygain gainer step
22:49:41amiconnI wonder whether we'd be able to do a similar bass processing...
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22:49:51LinusNshould be possible
22:51:09amiconnOkay, we need mixer channel 1 for playback...
22:51:47preglowsimilar bass processing to what?
22:52:17amiconnTo MDB
22:52:55amiconnpreglow: mixer volume also uses a nonlinear dB->value mapping, and it's even different from the one used for main volume...
22:53:19preglowMDB ?
22:53:25preglowdo you know what it does?
22:53:36LinusNpsychoacoustic bass enhancement
22:53:39preglowamiconn: we could do a lookup table to avoid all that nasty conditional volume mapping
22:53:39amiconnMicronas dynamic bass; we already talked about it a while ago
22:53:52preglowyeah, that should be possible
22:53:59preglowassuming it's not patented
22:54:10LinusNthere are lots of patents in that area
22:54:31preglowthen again, does that matter in sweden? it's surely not patented there
22:54:45amiconnpreglow: I already though about a lookup table, but that would make life harder if we want to change our volume scale some day
22:55:00LinusNi'd follow Linus Torvalds example
22:55:13LinusNand not even think about patents
22:56:18preglowi don't really think we need to
22:56:40preglowbut no
22:56:41preglowi agree
22:57:10preglowi'll let the patent lawyers, may they scream in hell, take care about that
22:57:33amiconnpreglow: Now that we also need prescaling for UDA, I'm thinking about some code generalisation in sound.c, using range #defines
22:58:07amiconnThe only hw specific things would then be the value to register mapping(s) and the actual driver calls
22:58:42preglowwell, if it's doable, sure
22:59:05amiconnI think it is; the code uses 1/10 dB values internally for both
22:59:12amiconn...only the usable ranges are different
22:59:20preglowyeah, but the uda volume curve has more breakpoints, no?
22:59:53amiconnYes, the mapping functions are of course specific
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23:04:22preglowbut yeah
23:04:24preglowi gotta go
23:04:28preglowhave fun
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23:08:24XavierGrhigh means tall
23:08:44muesli-i am 1,80m in size ;)
23:08:55XavierGryou got me...
23:09:26muesli-you are forgiven..
23:09:38XavierGrseriously though sometimesI type now insteda of know or buy instead of bye
23:10:26Nibbleri know this...
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23:12:02hubbelAnyone tried recording?
23:15:28Bagderonly with my VCR :*)
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23:18:49XavierGrYeah iriver records fine except thos 100ms at start
23:20:02hubbelXavierGr: do you always get that or just sometimes?
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23:20:41XavierGras the dev says always you?
23:21:33XavierGrhave to go later all
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23:21:45muesli-good buy...
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23:30:43amiconnHmm, mixer volume also uses a 4-staged curve, and the transitions are shifted by 6 dB compared to master volume
23:34:13amiconnLinusN: Do you think using lookup tables would be better? What if we want to switch to a different scale than 0..100 some time?
23:34:48LinusNi prefer dB
23:35:09amiconnLookup tables for 1/10 dB would get too large imho
23:35:50amiconnThe advantage of using lookup tables would be that they could go into the driver (uda1380.c / dac.c) so sound.c would be a bit less hardware dependent
23:36:30amiconn(because then the prescaling and balance handling would use the same scale for all hardwares (that need this handling) - 0..100
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23:46:19ep0chevenin' all
23:46:24ep0chquick question
23:46:52ep0chis audio on the bleeding edge build for ihp still working?
23:50:51muesli-btw bleeding edge? how to translate this??
23:52:13Stryke`newest (build based on latest changes to cvs)
23:52:50muesli-yeah..i mean..sounds quite rude!?
23:52:54Bagderthe term bleeding edge is an expression that probably doesn't translate very well if done on the exact wording
23:53:17Bagderwhy rude?
23:53:20muesli-jo..thats y i am asking
23:53:37muesli-ok, not rude..ut bleeding?
23:53:49Bagderedge => the front
23:53:56Bagderthe very latest
23:54:11muesli-yeah..makes sense..sounds like an idiom
23:54:40LinusNep0ch: it doesn't work for you?
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23:55:22Bagdermuesli-: "Etymology: play on the term `leading edge'"
23:55:58muesli-why isnt the grayscalepatch included in further rls? i mean its working fine (except of jpg-views)
23:56:16Bagderbecause it isn't done right
23:57:18|ep0chnah just tried, it works for me, could have sworn i read it had broke...
23:57:39muesli-Bagder its working fine for me
23:57:45Bagderit works, yes
23:57:50Bagderbut it is slooooow
23:57:59muesli-had no problems..
23:58:03Bagderbecause it takes shortcuts
23:58:09Bagderthat we don't approve of
23:58:10muesli-loved playing rockboy with it
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23:58:53Bagderyou are free to use it

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