| 00:01:54 | preglow | what the hell is granulepos? |
| 00:02:03 | preglow | i know tremor has problems with files with bad granulepos |
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| 00:02:46 | tucoz | hi |
| 00:03:09 | crwl | it is related to seeking and ordering of ogg pages, or something |
| 00:04:28 | tucoz | Don't know if you have talked about this, but it looks as if the id3db does not give right filepointers (or handles) to the context menu |
| 00:04:44 | tucoz | while browsing using id3db that is |
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| 00:05:47 | Bagder | it is known |
| 00:05:55 | tucoz | oh, thougt so |
| 00:06:00 | tucoz | oh=ok |
| 00:06:11 | tucoz | thougt=thought ;) |
| 00:07:25 | tucoz | didn't find it in the wiki...until now |
| 00:09:29 | tucoz | But that shouldn't be too hard to fix? The db entries are pointing to files in some way, as it already plays them. |
| 00:10:10 | yyz | depends how much the context menu knows about db, its kinda based around file tree navigation |
| 00:10:44 | Bagder | tucoz: then jump in and fix! |
| 00:11:31 | tucoz | Bagder: I'll have a look at the code, but don't think I will get anything working |
| 00:12:15 | Coldtoast | did the ogg play for you Bagder? |
| 00:12:22 | Bagder | I didn't try |
| 00:13:36 | Bagder | I wanted the file to have it just to make sure things don't fall between the chairs |
| 00:13:44 | Coldtoast | ok |
| 00:13:52 | Coldtoast | heh. as tends to happen |
| 00:20:21 | preglow | argh |
| 00:20:55 | preglow | frenetic sneezing, sniffing and coughing |
| 00:20:57 | preglow | life is good |
| 00:22:00 | tucoz | preglow: did it, done it, hated it. From monday to friday this week :) |
| 00:22:29 | tucoz | fever, sneezing and so on. Not funny. |
| 00:22:42 | preglow | oh, the fever'll come, surely |
| 00:22:49 | preglow | good old father irony is not done yet |
| 00:23:48 | tucoz | hehe, and I had a lot to do this week, which I couldn't manage because of that |
| 00:24:41 | preglow | i too have a lot to do this week... |
| 00:24:50 | preglow | this is exactly why i'm counting on father irony to show up |
| 00:25:54 | tucoz | yes, you know. You can run, but you can't hide when that evil man knocks on your door |
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| 00:33:11 | Coldtoast | he just wants to borrow sugar |
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| 00:34:49 | Coldtoast | Dragonslayer is on. Might jump in bed and fall asleep to it |
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| 00:47:37 | preglow | bah |
| 00:47:38 | preglow | bed |
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| 00:47:57 | crashd | nn |
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| 01:02:57 | HCl | hellow. |
| 01:03:14 | * | HCl stares at his download. |
| 01:03:20 | HCl | 8 hours, 30 minutes remaining. |
| 01:03:29 | HCl | still. o.o. |
| 01:06:02 | tucoz | HCl: have you looked at how to get the id3db work with context menus? |
| 01:07:54 | HCl | no. |
| 01:08:00 | HCl | i've been playing san andreas |
| 01:08:04 | HCl | :\ |
| 01:08:06 | tucoz | ok, hehe, good enough |
| 01:08:15 | HCl | and tomorrow i'm gonna look at homework for school |
| 01:08:20 | HCl | and then i got more stuff |
| 01:08:22 | HCl | and more stuff |
| 01:08:29 | HCl | but hopefully i'll have some time the week after taht |
| 01:08:30 | HCl | that |
| 01:09:08 | tucoz | ok, no problem. I'm just trying to figure out where to look. I look in case TREE_CONTEXT2 right now in tree.c |
| 01:09:22 | tucoz | and in your files |
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| 01:10:38 | tucoz | ...but I think I'll leave that to you. Too tired to learn anything right now. |
| 01:11:14 | HCl | dbtree.c is mostly zagor's, not mine |
| 01:11:33 | HCl | all the code i've written for the database on-target is not plugged in yet |
| 01:11:43 | HCl | oh wait. |
| 01:11:47 | HCl | searchengine excluded |
| 01:11:49 | HCl | i wrote that. |
| 01:12:03 | tucoz | Yep, that is the untested bit right? |
| 01:12:08 | HCl | i'll go try to sleep now |
| 01:12:12 | HCl | mm? untested bit? |
| 01:12:15 | HCl | searchengine should work fine |
| 01:12:22 | HCl | but yea |
| 01:12:25 | HCl | the untested code bit |
| 01:12:32 | HCl | is the new code i've written |
| 01:12:34 | HCl | it had bugs, by the way |
| 01:12:39 | tucoz | yes, that. read that somewhere |
| 01:12:40 | HCl | i have a better version on my server |
| 01:12:43 | tucoz | ok |
| 01:12:50 | HCl | with added runtime db code |
| 01:12:54 | HCl | gonna try to plug it in soon |
| 01:12:58 | HCl | gonna try to sleep now |
| 01:13:02 | tucoz | cool |
| 01:13:03 | tucoz | me 2 |
| 01:13:05 | HCl | night |
| 01:13:05 | tucoz | too |
| 01:13:08 | tucoz | night |
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| 02:11:34 | jwalk | hi all. again, fantastic work. |
| 02:11:38 | jwalk | question. |
| 02:11:52 | jwalk | is there any way to clear the current playlist. |
| 02:12:18 | jwalk | it's a bit of a pain having the entire directory added to the playlist as default. |
| 02:12:24 | jwalk | makes creating on the fly lists cumbersome |
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| 03:21:35 | hardeep | jwalk: you can create a playlist with just one file |
| 03:22:03 | hardeep | jwalk: Use the playlist->insert option on a track when nothing is playing |
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| 10:11:42 | yngwi | hi guys, i've got a probably stupid, not rockbox related iriver problem and hope one of you can help |
| 10:12:23 | yngwi | since today it only shows "unknown device" when connected to the pc |
| 10:13:41 | Slasheri | Hmm, can you access the hard disk from the player itself? |
| 10:15:07 | yngwi | yes it seems to work fine, listening and everything works |
| 10:15:26 | yngwi | in my pc setup nothing has changed |
| 10:16:18 | Slasheri | ok, hmm.. i don't know what might be wrong :/ but it should not be rockbox related at all |
| 10:16:30 | Slasheri | have you tried the bootloader usb mode? |
| 10:17:15 | Slasheri | and try to reboot your pc also :) |
| 10:17:19 | yngwi | yeah i tried, its all the same, as with the orig. firmware |
| 10:17:26 | Slasheri | :/ |
| 10:17:34 | yngwi | rebooting is the first thing i always try... :-) |
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| 11:03:50 | HCl | hello |
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| 11:36:04 | yngwi | Slasheri: Thanks for your help earlier, problem solved |
| 11:36:15 | yngwi | it was my own stupidity... :-/ |
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| 11:46:37 | Slasheri | yngwi: good you solved it :) what was the problem? |
| 11:51:07 | yngwi | the cable i use is a normal usb cable wit an adapter, which got a bit loose..... DOH :-) |
| 11:51:18 | Slasheri | hehe :D |
| 11:51:38 | yngwi | its embarassing |
| 11:51:52 | yngwi | *gets red cheeks* |
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| 12:27:46 | HCl | san andreas has long ending credits |
| 12:28:54 | belgarath | hi |
| 12:29:22 | belgarath | i was just wondering if there is anyway you could code something that would just skip wma files in playlists? |
| 12:32:51 | Rick | HCl: heh, havn't beaten it -> stuck on a hard mission |
| 12:34:15 | preglow | hcl: now there's a surprise |
| 12:36:01 | belgarath | would there be a way to filter out wma files when playlisting directorys? |
| 12:37:05 | yngwi | HCl, do you play on PS2 or PC? |
| 12:37:27 | Rick | I can't get past the Freefall mission... stupid plane |
| 12:37:28 | * | Rick mutters |
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| 13:05:34 | HCl | yngwi: xbox |
| 13:05:46 | HCl | freefall... |
| 13:05:50 | HCl | isn't that with the mafia? |
| 13:05:53 | yngwi | do you think its also good on pc? |
| 13:05:59 | HCl | it was easy, just take a desert eagle XD |
| 13:06:04 | HCl | stupid mission trying to limit you to handgun only |
| 13:06:09 | HCl | but i happened to be carrying my desert eagle |
| 13:06:15 | HCl | totally owned the mafia with it |
| 13:06:42 | HCl | yngwi: according to my flatmates the controls suck cause its designed for console, but aside from that it was fine |
| 13:07:14 | yngwi | this is very often a problem with console games... hmm |
| 13:09:48 | preglow | controls aren't that bad |
| 13:10:00 | preglow | a couple of defaults need to be changed, though |
| 13:10:29 | preglow | i'm used to pc gaming, so in many ways i find it easier to control on a pc |
| 13:10:39 | preglow | aiming on a console is bloody impossible :/ |
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| 13:27:23 | Mirfle | hi |
| 13:27:29 | webguest48 | hey? |
| 13:27:33 | webguest48 | i dont get this |
| 13:27:36 | webguest48 | no1s talkin? |
| 13:27:41 | webguest48 | or is it jst me? |
| 13:28:38 | Mirfle | I'm trying to update the hebrew lang file, and have a few questions about some phrases |
| 13:29:00 | Mirfle | what's LANG_SETTINGS_BATTERY_PLAYER |
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| 13:30:05 | t0mas | Mirfle: what's the english? |
| 13:30:12 | t0mas | and what's the description? |
| 13:30:21 | Mirfle | and is "partition?" a question asking whether or not I have a partition, or should I make a new partition? |
| 13:30:35 | Mirfle | "partition?" is the description |
| 13:30:49 | t0mas | and the english line is? |
| 13:31:08 | Mirfle | mistake: "partition?" is the english |
| 13:31:19 | t0mas | just leave it |
| 13:31:21 | t0mas | then |
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| 13:31:25 | Mirfle | "if save settings has failed" is the desc. |
| 13:31:31 | t0mas | or try to find it on the player? |
| 13:31:36 | west-acre | heyhey |
| 13:31:40 | t0mas | hi |
| 13:31:48 | Mirfle | i don't have a player |
| 13:31:49 | west-acre | wots new in R00kB00ks |
| 13:32:02 | Mirfle | (h120) |
| 13:32:15 | t0mas | then you should just leave it... |
| 13:32:27 | t0mas | and ask amiconn or some other player owner to find it |
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| 13:33:50 | Mirfle | there is an identical id called "LANG_SETTINGS_BATTERY_RECORDER", and the eng is "No partition?" |
| 13:42:26 | rasher | That's probably the mmeaning of the other id as well - just shorter to fit better on the player screen.. I *think* |
| 13:43:12 | Mirfle | oh... any idea what it's about? |
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| 13:58:07 | Mirfle | where do we use: |
| 13:58:08 | Mirfle | id: LANG_RESET_CONFIRM |
| 13:58:10 | Mirfle | desc: confirm to reset settings |
| 13:58:11 | Mirfle | eng: "PLAY=Reset" |
| 13:58:13 | Mirfle | does "reset" mean "start over", or "save new settings"? |
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| 14:00:41 | rasher | Set all settings to defaults |
| 14:04:46 | Mirfle | thanks |
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| 14:19:58 | * | preglow does the coughing and the sneezing |
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| 14:23:27 | t0mas | :D |
| 14:23:30 | t0mas | back in linux |
| 14:23:34 | t0mas | and everything's working again |
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| 14:27:53 | * | rasher had a look at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=439120&group_id=44306&aid=697085 yesterday |
| 14:28:01 | rasher | Would be cool to have |
| 14:28:16 | rasher | It's an old mess though |
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| 14:28:55 | rasher | beyond my skills to make the plugin compile, unfortunately |
| 14:29:29 | rasher | (ID3 editor plugin) |
| 14:29:42 | [-AIR-] | hey, the PCM recording, is it complete? the mic recording seems odd :s ? |
| 14:30:02 | [-AIR-] | fuzzy |
| 14:30:05 | rasher | There's a reason why it's under a menu labelled "Debug (keep out!) |
| 14:30:11 | [-AIR-] | yeh, i figured |
| 14:30:24 | [-AIR-] | it worx kinda tho, it recorded from mic |
| 14:30:28 | Moos | rasher: excellent plugin |
| 14:30:46 | rasher | Moos: indeed, would be great to get it updated.. a few years old though, unfortunately |
| 14:30:58 | Moos | :) |
| 14:31:19 | [-AIR-] | o yeh, about the plugins that say incompatible model, will they work? like mandlebrot? |
| 14:31:44 | rasher | Eventually, yes |
| 14:31:50 | [-AIR-] | kewlies. |
| 14:32:12 | rasher | Though the dailies don't include these plguins afaik |
| 14:32:23 | Mirfle | in the battery time remaining, can I change the h and m from "%d%% %dh %dm"? |
| 14:32:24 | rasher | so it's probably just a leftover from an old installation? |
| 14:32:24 | [-AIR-] | really? where can they be found? |
| 14:32:31 | rasher | Mirfle: yes |
| 14:32:48 | Mirfle | thanks |
| 14:32:49 | rasher | [-AIR-]: They'll be included once they run |
| 14:33:25 | [-AIR-] | rite, so do u download the plugins separately, or run them ... w00t? |
| 14:35:26 | preglow | why does the mic recording seem odd? |
| 14:35:37 | preglow | sounds more or less exactly like in the original firmware to me |
| 14:35:39 | rasher | Plugins you can see on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginIndex will be included |
| 14:36:12 | rasher | There are a few third-party plugins (from BlueChip, at least) that you can download seperately |
| 14:37:14 | t0mas | rasher: seems intresting |
| 14:37:26 | t0mas | (the id3 edit thing) |
| 14:37:47 | Mirfle | what does "top off charge" mean? |
| 14:38:50 | t0mas | it's for archos |
| 14:39:09 | rasher | Isn't that deprecated? |
| 14:39:20 | t0mas | don't know |
| 14:39:44 | rasher | oh, that was trickle charge and deep discharge |
| 14:40:05 | [-AIR-] | where can the bluechip plugins be found? |
| 14:41:27 | rasher | [-AIR-]: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/cyborgsystems/CS_Main/RockBox/RockBox.htm don't know if they work for iriver |
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| 14:42:15 | [-AIR-] | kewlies. |
| 14:42:18 | Mirfle | what do I do with it? |
| 14:43:01 | rasher | Mirfle: if in doubt, leave it untranslated |
| 14:43:12 | Mirfle | ok |
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| 14:44:15 | rasher | It's shown when it's charging the last few percent, I think |
| 14:44:27 | Coldtoast | I can translate to Australian if you need it |
| 14:45:51 | [-AIR-] | what DOES Chip8 do exactly? |
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| 14:46:24 | west-acre | what does Chip8 do exactly? |
| 14:46:34 | HCl | some emulator, i think? |
| 14:46:54 | rasher | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginChip8 |
| 14:47:06 | Mirfle | the uplang script should be updated to not add comments and "new" lines to deprecated ids. |
| 14:47:42 | Mirfle | :) |
| 14:47:49 | * | HCl wonders how they even manage to make xbox games 4.5gb.. |
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| 14:56:27 | ashridah | by preprocessing the data to make up for the fact that it's actually a shitty pc? |
| 14:56:38 | HCl | hrm. |
| 14:56:39 | HCl | maybe. |
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| 14:58:39 | HCl | well, i'm happy with it as long as it plays divx |
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| 15:00:00 | ashridah | about the only part of an xbox i'm even remotely happy with is the xboxcontroller, and only because it's easily hacked into a pc :) |
| 15:00:06 | ashridah | yet cheap |
| 15:00:12 | HCl | heh. |
| 15:00:44 | ashridah | works great as an n64 controller for most games |
| 15:00:48 | ashridah | some can be a little bit of a pain |
| 15:00:56 | tvelocity | i want a nintendo revolution... now!!! |
| 15:01:03 | HCl | i guess |
| 15:01:04 | Coldtoast | there aren't many xbox games that are 4.5GB tho |
| 15:01:09 | Rick | HCl: No, Freefall is the one where you have to land the plane into the plane |
| 15:01:12 | HCl | i play n64 on my xbox |
| 15:01:19 | Coldtoast | most of em seem to be around 2GB |
| 15:01:20 | HCl | Rick: yes, that one is easy o.o. |
| 15:01:28 | Rick | I can't catch up :/ |
| 15:01:35 | HCl | o_o |
| 15:01:41 | Rick | I either collide with the plane or miss it entirely |
| 15:01:43 | HCl | how do you manage that? |
| 15:01:52 | HCl | you need to fly into the corona thats behind the plane? |
| 15:01:55 | Rick | yeah |
| 15:02:00 | HCl | its not that hard? o.o. |
| 15:02:09 | Rick | it's very hard for me :O |
| 15:02:17 | HCl | with that mission i first thought that i had to kill the plane so i dived my plane into theirs |
| 15:02:21 | HCl | but that wasn't the way it was intended to |
| 15:02:29 | ashridah | you have to start out above the plane, and start turning the moment you see the plane |
| 15:02:30 | Rick | heh |
| 15:02:31 | HCl | the second time i saw the corona and it went fine o.o. |
| 15:02:39 | ashridah | i find first-person mode helps a *LOT* when flying too |
| 15:02:58 | Rick | yeah, the thing is |
| 15:02:59 | ashridah | i love skydiving on my way to places tho :) |
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| 15:03:02 | Rick | by the time I see the plane |
| 15:03:05 | Rick | it's up close and in my face |
| 15:03:14 | HCl | playing it on pc, i assume? |
| 15:03:18 | ashridah | Rick: then push out your viewing distance |
| 15:03:20 | Rick | ashridah: have you tried base jumping? :P |
| 15:03:24 | ashridah | HCl: wouldn't play it anywhere else |
| 15:03:25 | Rick | HCl: yes |
| 15:03:26 | HCl | i heard viewing distance is horrid on pc |
| 15:03:31 | Coldtoast | I might play some Ninja Gaiden or something |
| 15:03:33 | ashridah | Rick: yeah. it's more fun from a jet :) |
| 15:03:37 | HCl | ashridah: i prefer xbox, seriously. |
| 15:03:48 | Coldtoast | or Halo 2 |
| 15:03:57 | ashridah | i cannot stand trying to aim at crap on consoles |
| 15:04:07 | HCl | you don't have to |
| 15:04:08 | ashridah | it's a waste of time, and more frustrating than it ever should be |
| 15:04:09 | HCl | it has autoaim |
| 15:04:15 | Coldtoast | I agree completely. FPS are abhorrent on consoles |
| 15:04:15 | west-acre | is generator effect left hand rule or right? |
| 15:04:26 | HCl | gta has auto aim o.o. |
| 15:04:39 | ashridah | which is very poor, particularly where you need accuracy, which it doesn't give you (it has the aim autoaim on pc, and it's sucky) |
| 15:04:42 | Rick | the auto aim sucks ass |
| 15:04:54 | Rick | at least it does for me |
| 15:04:56 | HCl | nope, works fine o.o. |
| 15:05:06 | Rick | you can't do good strafing with it |
| 15:05:13 | Rick | you'll end up shooting in the opposite direction |
| 15:05:37 | HCl | no problems here |
| 15:05:39 | HCl | o.o |
| 15:06:08 | ashridah | what it comes down to is that i trust my speed and accuracy with aiming far more than its target selection |
| 15:06:22 | HCl | heh, if you say so |
| 15:06:25 | rasher | okay, that chip8 emulator is far too fast |
| 15:06:29 | HCl | i'm happy to say i completely suck at aiming on fps :) |
| 15:06:50 | ashridah | plus, i find the mouse helps when i'm playing with the camera angles when driving :) |
| 15:07:24 | Rick | I guess i'm off to trying that mission again |
| 15:07:29 | Rick | it's the only mission I have available :[ |
| 15:07:36 | ashridah | heh |
| 15:08:18 | Rick | wtf |
| 15:08:23 | ashridah | Rick: push out your viewing distance, and like i say, the moment you see it, start turning, ie, bank and turn as fast as you can. (ie, go vertical, then pull around, don't try to use the tail rudder, it's damn slow) |
| 15:08:24 | Rick | my camera wigged out when I alttabed back in |
| 15:09:45 | Rick | I just checked my options |
| 15:09:49 | Rick | I already have max view distance |
| 15:12:07 | ashridah | there used to be hacks for vice city that let you jack it out even further |
| 15:13:10 | Rick | yeah |
| 15:13:12 | Rick | friends of mine made those |
| 15:13:13 | Rick | :p |
| 15:14:37 | Rick | You know what I love about SA? The gas tank thing they added. |
| 15:15:51 | * | west-acre is revising |
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| 15:16:51 | HCl | even though they don't really explode when you put some bullets through them |
| 15:19:12 | rasher | would anyone mind if I converted CRLF to LF in all source files? |
| 15:19:51 | rasher | (leaving out codecs) |
| 15:20:55 | t0mas | hm |
| 15:20:59 | t0mas | yes someone does |
| 15:21:06 | t0mas | I already asked it sometime... |
| 15:21:28 | preglow | i think this should be a job done by people who are actually doing work on those files |
| 15:21:41 | preglow | if you go ahead and convert all of them you're bound to create conflicts for people working on that code |
| 15:22:23 | rasher | I'll just compile a list of the files then |
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| 15:26:33 | preglow | yup |
| 15:28:56 | t0mas | rasher: dosunix em all... and then cvs update :) |
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| 15:29:11 | t0mas | all M files are changed by dos2unix |
| 15:29:17 | LinusN | rasher: you're welcome to convert from CRLF to LF |
| 15:29:30 | rasher | Problem is, if people are working them *right now* the next patch we get on that file will be incomprehensible |
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| 15:29:36 | LinusN | as far as there are no other changes in the same commit |
| 15:30:09 | rasher | uisimulator/win32/uisw32.rc - does this one have to be CRLF perhaps? |
| 15:30:15 | LinusN | the patches we get are always cr/lf polluted anyway |
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| 15:30:28 | LinusN | rasher: perhaps, try it |
| 15:30:44 | Yokalosh | Hey, I was talking to someone here yesterday about Knoppix Linux.... |
| 15:30:51 | Yokalosh | who was it? i need to talk to you again! |
| 15:31:39 | rasher | It wasn't me, but I may be able to help, ask away |
| 15:33:18 | Yokalosh | well when i boot from knoppix it tells me that it is finding my best config or something like that |
| 15:33:28 | Yokalosh | and then the screen goes black and my monitor lights just flash |
| 15:33:35 | Yokalosh | is that supposed to happen? |
| 15:33:56 | t0mas | hm |
| 15:34:00 | t0mas | for a few seconds... yes |
| 15:34:25 | rasher | what happens afterwards? |
| 15:34:40 | Yokalosh | nothing, they just carry on flashing and everything seems to power right down |
| 15:35:10 | Yokalosh | but not shutdown |
| 15:35:46 | Yokalosh | would this have anything to do with me having a 40x cdrom instead of 52x? |
| 15:35:48 | rasher | Sounds like it fails to find a usable configuration |
| 15:35:51 | rasher | No. |
| 15:36:04 | rasher | What kind of monitor/graphics card do you have? |
| 15:36:23 | Yokalosh | i just have my onboard graphics on my asus cusi-m |
| 15:37:23 | Yokalosh | :s |
| 15:38:12 | rasher | Monitor? |
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| 15:41:43 | Yokalosh | its a AOC Spectrum 5Elr |
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| 15:42:16 | rasher | crt or tft? |
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| 15:42:58 | Yokalosh | crt |
| 15:44:41 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 15:45:24 | rasher | at the boot menu, try entering "knoppix 800x600" |
| 15:45:33 | rasher | eh |
| 15:45:37 | Yokalosh | okay then |
| 15:45:44 | rasher | knoppix screen=800x600 |
| 15:45:48 | Yokalosh | i'll be back in a bit then maybe if it doesnt work |
| 15:46:45 | Yokalosh | so i just type 'knoppix screen=800x600' yeh? |
| 15:46:58 | Yokalosh | or just type '800x600' at the boot screen |
| 15:47:01 | Yokalosh | ? |
| 15:48:27 | rasher | knoppix screen=800x600 |
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| 15:53:56 | rasher | committed.. let's hope nothing explodes in mmysterious ways |
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| 16:01:28 | t0mas | it works |
| 16:01:30 | t0mas | green build table |
| 16:01:49 | rasher | would've surprised me if it didn't, but you never know |
| 16:03:03 | t0mas | hmh |
| 16:13:18 | LinusN | rasher: check if snake2 still works |
| 16:13:46 | rasher | It should, it uses read_line which claims to split at LF, and throw away CR |
| 16:14:11 | rasher | It does |
| 16:14:13 | LinusN | good |
| 16:14:38 | rasher | I noticed this too, and checked how it was reading the files, forgot to check it though |
| 16:14:44 | rasher | s/check/test/ |
| 16:14:56 | rasher | The windows sim works as well |
| 16:15:19 | preglow | Slasheri: how are things chugging along? |
| 16:15:24 | rasher | I ran dos2unix on freshly checked-out files (deleted them, then cvs up'ed) |
| 16:15:36 | rasher | just to be sure I didn't accidently change something |
| 16:15:48 | ashridah | Rick: heh, the exploding gas tank thing is a pita sometimes. i get bored when driving across the countryside, so i occasionally drive-by people going the other way, or in another lane, whatever. occasionally, i get lucky, and blow them up, which typically makes my car blow up :) |
| 16:16:02 | Slasheri | preglow: dsp almost works now with other file formats too (it's still little buggy) |
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| 16:16:41 | preglow | goodie |
| 16:16:43 | * | t0mas wonders what happened to iriver radio stuff |
| 16:16:49 | preglow | austriancoder vanished |
| 16:17:00 | t0mas | nobody has hid email addess? |
| 16:17:04 | t0mas | *his |
| 16:17:06 | preglow | Slasheri: so it works with mp3? |
| 16:17:19 | Slasheri | preglow: yes, mp3s works fine |
| 16:17:34 | preglow | christian_at_visual-page.de |
| 16:17:41 | t0mas | yes |
| 16:17:43 | t0mas | just foundi t |
| 16:18:07 | preglow | he's probably got a bunch of conflicts in his code now, should have commited it a long time ago |
| 16:19:14 | crashd | yawnnnn |
| 16:19:39 | t0mas | well... |
| 16:19:41 | t0mas | we'll see |
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| 16:19:48 | t0mas | hasn't he fried his iriver? |
| 16:19:50 | t0mas | hi Cassandra |
| 16:19:54 | Cassandra | Hello |
| 16:20:16 | Cassandra | Can someone remind me what an "M" status indicator means from cvs update |
| 16:20:22 | t0mas | modified |
| 16:20:25 | Benjimima | can i ask you rockbox genius's a question? |
| 16:20:32 | t0mas | Benjimima: go ahead |
| 16:20:34 | * | rasher is still a bit confused by the need for both searchengine and databox |
| 16:20:52 | t0mas | rasher: hm... one is to make files for the other iirc |
| 16:21:18 | rasher | Yes, but I don't understand why it can't be done in one plugin |
| 16:21:20 | Slasheri | Hehe, this is funny to resample ogg files to different frequencies :) |
| 16:21:46 | t0mas | rasher: I think it's possible... just check the parameter... |
| 16:21:53 | Benjimima | well i have the id3 database working on my iriver h120, but OTF playlisting by holding down the joystick doesnt work, yet it does on filetree view, is this known? is otf planed to be added to the id3 database? jus wondered :) |
| 16:22:02 | Slasheri | We can add some "speed" option to playback menu, similar one that iriver firmware has |
| 16:22:11 | t0mas | Benjimima: it's known |
| 16:22:17 | t0mas | Slasheri: cool |
| 16:22:37 | rasher | t0mas: Indeed, a small tweak would be necessary to have the plugin be both a stand-alone plugin and a viewer |
| 16:22:39 | Benjimima | t0mas: is it planned to be implemented soon? cos id love it when it is, cos that wud rule so very much |
| 16:22:42 | rasher | but other than that, I don't get it |
| 16:22:46 | preglow | slasheri: should be no problem with the interpolator |
| 16:22:50 | Cassandra | On, never mind. It just means I've modified those files. |
| 16:22:59 | t0mas | Cassandra: [16:20:24] <t0mas> modified |
| 16:23:14 | preglow | slasheri: i did a test were i was sweeping the delta in the resampling routine continuously, sounded very fun |
| 16:23:16 | t0mas | Benjimima: I don't know... I think someone can take a look at it |
| 16:23:25 | Cassandra | Sorry, you replied so quickly, I missed it. :) |
| 16:23:29 | Slasheri | preglow: hehe, nice :D |
| 16:23:30 | t0mas | ghehe :) |
| 16:23:57 | preglow | Cassandra: started on the latex conversion yet? |
| 16:24:09 | Cassandra | Not yet, no. |
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| 16:24:22 | rasher | ooh, converting the manual to latex? |
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| 16:24:34 | preglow | pure goodness, if you ask me |
| 16:24:37 | rasher | Actually, how about using docbook? |
| 16:24:39 | Cassandra | Is 2.5 still going to be a non-iriver release? |
| 16:24:44 | rasher | or is that too limited? |
| 16:24:49 | preglow | Cassandra: yes |
| 16:24:54 | rasher | I'd hope so |
| 16:25:01 | preglow | docbook isn't too limited, but latex does much more automatically, afaik |
| 16:25:02 | rasher | if not, that means that 2.5 is still a long way off |
| 16:25:03 | Cassandra | *nods* Then I'll be updating for 2.5 before I convert. |
| 16:25:27 | preglow | and besides, latex is what i know, and i might want to help out a bit |
| 16:25:28 | preglow | ;) |
| 16:25:30 | rasher | I've started compiling releasenotes |
| 16:25:31 | Benjimima | t0mas: thanks sounds good, i wasnt sure if you lot knew, im sure you did and now cant wait :D hehe thanks so much for all the work you lot have put in, means a real lot to ppl like me who know how hard it can be to do :D your all great |
| 16:25:41 | Cassandra | Which means still no Ondio keymappings in the manual, but to do otherwise is a lot more work. |
| 16:26:03 | Cassandra | Who's "release manager" these days? |
| 16:26:11 | rasher | Zagor I think |
| 16:26:42 | t0mas | yes, Zagor has the magic button |
| 16:26:43 | Cassandra | If I can get a timetable, it's easier to synchronise the manual with releases. |
| 16:26:56 | preglow | i don't believe there is one |
| 16:27:07 | Cassandra | As it is, I kind of have to play catch up when the release happens. |
| 16:27:26 | Cassandra | Ideally what I'd like to see is a 2 week feature freeze before a release. |
| 16:27:41 | t0mas | hm... wasn't that done before? |
| 16:27:49 | Cassandra | So I can work on the new manual without fear of things changing underneath me. |
| 16:27:53 | Cassandra | Sort of. |
| 16:28:03 | preglow | maybe we should put the manual in cvs when it's converted to latex? |
| 16:28:03 | t0mas | Zagor clicks the button... then release notes are comiled... and in that time you can update the manual |
| 16:28:06 | t0mas | check everything |
| 16:28:10 | t0mas | and then release |
| 16:28:42 | Cassandra | preglow: Absolutely. It's a maintenance nightmare at the moment. |
| 16:29:24 | rasher | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseNotes could do with some caring eyes from archos owners |
| 16:29:33 | rasher | Because I don't know what half of these changes mean |
| 16:29:41 | rasher | or at least, I only have a vague idea |
| 16:30:18 | rasher | More to the point, I don't really know which bits were really changed since 2.4 |
| 16:30:27 | preglow | i rather enjoy typography, so i might end up helping, we'll see |
| 16:30:44 | rasher | (those are all things from the commit logs, but I don't know if it's just small tweaks to existing features, or brand new stuff) |
| 16:31:20 | Cassandra | Those release notes are good. Thank you. |
| 16:32:03 | rasher | most of it is copied directly from cvs logs >2004-12-23 |
| 16:32:24 | rasher | but it's certainly a start |
| 16:33:28 | Cassandra | Theoretically it should contain all the changes then. |
| 16:33:52 | rasher | yup |
| 16:34:10 | rasher | although I did skip a bunch and may have skipped something that should be included |
| 16:34:21 | rasher | all iriver/gmini related changes were ignored |
| 16:34:46 | rasher | and most changes to things added after the release |
| 16:34:55 | rasher | (like bugfixes for new features) |
| 16:37:08 | HCl | god |
| 16:37:11 | HCl | conkers bad fur day rules |
| 16:37:21 | HCl | the xbox version is as great as the n64 version, so far |
| 16:38:35 | Cassandra | Well, it beats my list on the docs page. |
| 16:38:43 | Cassandra | Which I know is very incomplete. |
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| 16:40:16 | preglow | great, now the bloody pop-under windows crash my browser |
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| 16:43:18 | t0mas | preglow: IE? |
| 16:43:34 | rasher | Hrm.. would it be possible to "mark" sections in latex, to allow creating seperate manuals for each player? |
| 16:43:38 | t0mas | rasher: do you know what the cvsroot and module name is for the rockbox website? |
| 16:43:46 | rasher | www |
| 16:43:53 | rasher | is the module name |
| 16:44:01 | t0mas | and root is just /cvsroot/rockbox ? |
| 16:44:02 | rasher | same cvsroot |
| 16:44:04 | t0mas | ok |
| 16:44:17 | rasher | It doesn't include everything though |
| 16:47:47 | t0mas | gheh |
| 16:47:59 | t0mas | next t-shirt design is going to be a problem :) |
| 16:48:00 | t0mas | http://www.rockbox.org/tshirt-contest/winner/shirt-back.png |
| 16:48:08 | t0mas | 100+ names is difficult ;) |
| 16:48:35 | rasher | Nah |
| 16:48:45 | rasher | Just ask the SpreadFirefox team |
| 16:48:45 | tvelocity | lol |
| 16:48:57 | Cassandra | How'd you wipe a playlist from memory. |
| 16:49:12 | rasher | stop playing |
| 16:49:31 | rasher | if you add something to a playlist, it'll be the only thing on it |
| 16:49:32 | Cassandra | Nope, playlist is still in memory. Can be resumed with resume. |
| 16:49:34 | rasher | I think.. |
| 16:50:04 | preglow | t0mas: firefox |
| 16:50:05 | rasher | Okay, idea |
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| 16:50:52 | rasher | To get something like the quickmenu on the recorder, how about holding down play, a menu appears, you then use left/right to select, and when you release play, it performs that action |
| 16:51:12 | rasher | I mean the f1/2/3 menu |
| 16:51:24 | Cassandra | That's my next planned patch, yeah. |
| 16:51:34 | rasher | Hah |
| 16:51:54 | rasher | And here I thought I had come up with a great and unthought of idea |
| 16:52:59 | Cassandra | *swears* |
| 16:55:07 | * | rasher ponders buying a replacement battery for his h120 |
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| 16:57:01 | textchimp | hi |
| 16:57:18 | textchimp | i'm getting this error building the latest CVS of rockbox: |
| 16:57:40 | textchimp | make: *** codecs/lib: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 16:58:15 | textchimp | do i have to do anything special to build the recent versions? i've tried creating that dir in various places |
| 17:00 |
| 17:00:32 | ashridah | textchimp: it's building okay here without any esoteric changes |
| 17:00:54 | textchimp | i don't seem to have an apps/codec/libs directory, do you? |
| 17:01:11 | ashridah | nope |
| 17:01:30 | textchimp | hmm, i just did a cvs update on my existing checkout....do i have to do anything to get it to grab whole dirs that weren't there last time i updated? |
| 17:01:54 | ashridah | what's your ~/.cvsrc have about update and checkout? |
| 17:02:12 | textchimp | do you have a build-codecs target in apps/Makefile ? |
| 17:02:16 | rasher | try cvs update -dP |
| 17:02:44 | textchimp | i don't have a .cvsrc, i'm doing: cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox |
| 17:02:57 | ashridah | textchimp: create ~/.cvsrc and add the following |
| 17:03:04 | ashridah | diff -u |
| 17:03:04 | ashridah | update -Pd |
| 17:03:04 | ashridah | checkout -P |
| 17:03:04 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK ashridah |
| 17:03:04 | ashridah | cvs -q -z3 |
| 17:03:17 | ashridah | it'll save you headaches |
| 17:03:24 | textchimp | okay |
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| 17:05:35 | webguest93 | hey everyone, kinda an off topic question, but anyways... |
| 17:05:52 | webguest93 | what do any of you think about me selling my h120 for an h320? |
| 17:06:08 | webguest93 | is it a good or a bad idea? and also, what about prices? |
| 17:06:27 | DaKi][er | personaly, i wouldnt |
| 17:06:29 | webguest93 | I'd rather not lose any money from this transaction... |
| 17:06:35 | webguest93 | why not? |
| 17:06:50 | ashridah | pros: you can watch video at 10fps. cons: you can watch video on a crappily tiny screen. |
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| 17:06:56 | textchimp | ashridah: thanks, that grabbed the codecs/lib dir for me...what exactly got that to work? the option -Pd to update? |
| 17:07:01 | DaKi][er | what do you gain? |
| 17:07:06 | ashridah | pros: you can access other usb-storage devices with it. cons: it's damned slow, and doesn't work with everything |
| 17:07:10 | webguest93 | color screen, mainly |
| 17:07:17 | ashridah | pros: ... cons: it accepts protected wma, the scum of the earth |
| 17:07:20 | textchimp | it is slow...absurdly slow |
| 17:07:22 | Cassandra | Does anyone know why a call to splash() might not be doing anything? |
| 17:07:40 | rasher | pros: colour screen. cons: colour screen |
| 17:07:40 | webguest93 | well... I'm banking on the fact that rockbox will (eventually) work on it |
| 17:08:01 | webguest93 | lol... why would the color screen be a con? |
| 17:08:02 | DaKi][er | for an mp3 player? you dontneed a colour screen, and the h320 looks way uglier than the h120 |
| 17:08:06 | rasher | .. since most colour screens I've seen are absolutely unreadable without backlight |
| 17:08:14 | ashridah | textchimp: -d is create new directories if they've suddenly appeared |
| 17:08:15 | kenshin | cons: no rockbox, yet!! :) |
| 17:08:19 | webguest93 | true... but it's so pretty! |
| 17:08:23 | Cassandra | Sorry, ignore me. |
| 17:08:41 | kenshin | keep the 120 w/rockbox |
| 17:08:58 | rasher | well it all comes down to which features are more important to you |
| 17:09:02 | textchimp | ashridah: thanks |
| 17:09:05 | DaKi][er | webguest93 - no offence but it seems like a 'look at me, i got a colour screen!' fashion statement to me |
| 17:09:11 | | Quit guessed (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 17:09:24 | rasher | DaKi][er: nothing wrong with buying it if that's what you want though |
| 17:09:33 | Coldtoast | pro:... con: no optical in/out |
| 17:09:36 | webguest93 | not really... not a fashion statement... I like color |
| 17:09:50 | webguest93 | I've never used optical in or out before... don't have the (expensive) hardware to support it :-p |
| 17:09:59 | DaKi][er | sounds like you made up your mind then |
| 17:10:02 | Coldtoast | pro:.. con: it's a frigging ugly player |
| 17:10:08 | webguest93 | that is very true... |
| 17:10:13 | ashridah | con: it's made of plastic |
| 17:10:17 | kenshin | cons: the screen shuts off completely and requires interaction to read the screen during playback. |
| 17:10:21 | Coldtoast | con: no rockbox yet. hehe |
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| 17:10:40 | DaKi][er | con: it will cost more money to get |
| 17:10:42 | Coldtoast | con: different firmwares have different features. you don't get everythign with any one firmware |
| 17:11:15 | webguest93 | just curious though... what kind of prices will I be able to get for the 120? |
| 17:11:31 | Coldtoast | I'd sell my h140 for a h120 I think |
| 17:11:45 | webguest93 | heh... how big is it? |
| 17:11:49 | Coldtoast | haven't even used 1/4 of the space and I've had it a while |
| 17:12:01 | Coldtoast | how big? how do you mean? |
| 17:12:07 | kenshin | Coldtoast: you just need more music |
| 17:12:09 | webguest93 | I was actually just running out of space... is the player any bigger than a 120? |
| 17:12:22 | Coldtoast | as in storage size? |
| 17:12:28 | webguest93 | no, physical size |
| 17:12:39 | Coldtoast | it's a bit thicker I think |
| 17:12:41 | DaKi][er | Coldtoast - i wish i got the 40gig over the 20, would have only cost like $50 more if i waited a few weeks |
| 17:12:47 | rasher | a good deal thicker, iirc |
| 17:12:53 | webguest93 | :-/ |
| 17:13:01 | kenshin | it took me a year to get here, but i wish i had bucked up for the 140 |
| 17:13:09 | webguest93 | I like my size, but I'm wishing I had more space now |
| 17:14:28 | Coldtoast | h140=22mm, h140 is about 18mm thick |
| 17:14:56 | Coldtoast | oops |
| 17:14:58 | Coldtoast | other way |
| 17:14:58 | Coldtoast | hehe |
| 17:15:04 | Coldtoast | h120 is 18mm |
| 17:15:08 | webguest93 | shit man... that's a bloody brick... haha |
| 17:15:14 | rasher | http://prigal.free.fr/hfr/7.jpg <−− h300 on top of a h100 |
| 17:15:18 | Coldtoast | you think? |
| 17:15:29 | webguest93 | an extra half centimeter on what i have right now?! |
| 17:15:44 | Coldtoast | yep |
| 17:15:47 | webguest93 | I have a friend's 320 to compare... |
| 17:15:48 | rasher | I think it's mostly that the h140 doesn't have the curve |
| 17:15:51 | Coldtoast | it's hardly a brick |
| 17:16:23 | webguest93 | :-/ maybe I'll just wait for the 40gb single platter to come around |
| 17:17:10 | webguest93 | he question still remains though... how much do you think I'll be able to sell my 120 for? |
| 17:17:31 | Coldtoast | imagine gettign a nice 60GB drive tho and putting it in your h140 |
| 17:17:41 | HCl | only 20gb gain? |
| 17:18:10 | Coldtoast | http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=47624&item=7524936674&rd=1 |
| 17:18:23 | Coldtoast | http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=47624&item=7524096380&rd=1 |
| 17:18:50 | webguest93 | hmm... what's the current conversion rate to USD? |
| 17:18:57 | Coldtoast | check xe.com |
| 17:19:24 | Coldtoast | there's a new one on ebay for about $300 |
| 17:19:27 | Coldtoast | US |
| 17:19:42 | HCl | pfff. |
| 17:19:44 | webguest93 | bleh |
| 17:19:47 | HCl | wait for the 80gb/100gb |
| 17:19:54 | webguest93 | looks like I'm keeping it then :-p |
| 17:20:08 | Coldtoast | that's ebay tho, remember |
| 17:20:23 | Coldtoast | how much were you hoping for? |
| 17:21:07 | webguest93 | enough to get a 320 :-D |
| 17:21:15 | textchimp | hm, i'm not getting audio output on the iriver with the cvs build i just did |
| 17:21:24 | textchimp | it doesn't even sound like the audio is initialised |
| 17:21:54 | rasher | do you have any interesting settings set? |
| 17:21:59 | textchimp | it says 'codec failure' when i first try to play a song |
| 17:22:01 | Cassandra | *sigh* Resume behaviour is so horribly buggy. |
| 17:23:25 | textchimp | it seems to have reset all my config settings |
| 17:23:46 | rasher | pity, that was what I was going to suggest you try |
| 17:24:46 | textchimp | heh |
| 17:25:04 | textchimp | i have to copy plugins/codec* to .rockbox/codecs, right? |
| 17:25:31 | rasher | no |
| 17:25:36 | rasher | you absolutely shouldn't |
| 17:25:43 | rasher | those are old versions of the codecs |
| 17:25:45 | textchimp | what then? |
| 17:25:49 | rasher | nothing |
| 17:25:54 | textchimp | delete them from there? |
| 17:25:57 | rasher | yup |
| 17:26:01 | textchimp | okay |
| 17:26:19 | Cassandra | Best to delete your .rockbox dir and reinstall from scratch., |
| 17:26:26 | textchimp | okay |
| 17:26:50 | rasher | (remember to back up wps files and other stuff you may have in .rockbox) |
| 17:27:08 | textchimp | remind me where to get the .rockbox dir from again in my build? |
| 17:27:16 | HCl | just do make zip |
| 17:27:21 | Cassandra | Oooh, there's something just so satisfying about seeing your code commit. |
| 17:27:22 | HCl | and unpack the zip to your player |
| 17:27:40 | textchimp | okay |
| 17:27:51 | rasher | okay, trying to play from the id3db has confused rockbox |
| 17:28:00 | rasher | it is now playing the first 5 seconds of this song over and over again |
| 17:28:10 | kenshin | Cassandra: i've only gotten one patch commited and it was oh so gratifying! ;) |
| 17:28:16 | rasher | it *is* the correct song though |
| 17:28:43 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 17:28:43 | * | Cassandra is one of the *lucky few* with cvs commit access. |
| 17:29:04 | rasher | logf gets a bunch of "flush & reload" messages |
| 17:29:21 | Cassandra | Which means everyone gets to see in the CVS logs when I cock up. :) |
| 17:29:43 | rasher | a right blessing |
| 17:30:49 | * | rasher ponders different different icons for the different codec types |
| 17:31:04 | rasher | that's a lot of difference |
| 17:31:17 | textchimp | okay it's playing |
| 17:31:27 | rasher | \o/ |
| 17:31:32 | textchimp | i though track ff/rw had been fixed? |
| 17:31:42 | rasher | define fixed |
| 17:31:51 | t0mas | <Cassandra> Which means everyone gets to see in the CVS logs when I cock up. :) <−− even Linus has that problem, with his usuall "oops" commit |
| 17:31:54 | Cassandra | Problem is the icons are too small to make a lot of them distinct. |
| 17:32:10 | Cassandra | *nods* I know. Doesn't stop me feeling silly though. |
| 17:32:12 | textchimp | ha |
| 17:32:30 | Cassandra | This time it was just a piece of redundant code, fortunately. |
| 17:32:31 | t0mas | ghe... it's worse if someone else fixes it ;) |
| 17:32:51 | rasher | Cassandra: indeed.. I made a bunch of them a while ago.. rasher.dk/rockbox/icons-6x7/">http://www.rasher.dk/rockbox/icons-6x7/ |
| 17:33:01 | rasher | Also, I'm not convinced it's actually a good idea |
| 17:33:08 | rasher | do people *really* care what kind of file it is |
| 17:33:12 | Coldtoast | awesome. are we getting icon support in the wps? |
| 17:33:14 | rasher | as long as it's music |
| 17:34:57 | kenshin | rasher: sometimes. i sometimes want to know if it's MP3/Ogg/FLAC that's playing. |
| 17:35:15 | rasher | That can be handled in the WPS though |
| 17:35:39 | kenshin | yes, and it should be |
| 17:35:41 | rasher | %fc : File Codec (e.g. "MP3" or "FLAC") |
| 17:35:49 | rasher | I was thinking of different icons in the filebrowser |
| 17:36:03 | kenshin | couldn't care less in the browser |
| 17:36:05 | t0mas | hm... maybe just extend the conditional tags? |
| 17:36:12 | t0mas | and make it display an image for some filetypes? |
| 17:36:35 | t0mas | then we don't need to add icons to the code... and everybody can make his/her own image |
| 17:36:45 | textchimp | is anyone else finding the audio 'disabled' (in that you hear the loud buzzing you get when the unit is off) for a moment when you seek in a track |
| 17:36:58 | kenshin | t0mas: YES! I was thinking about how to do just that. |
| 17:37:07 | Coldtoast | can you make "FLAC" FLC" instead? so if things are formatted for a 3 letter filetype and you have text after %fc, going to 4 letters won't screw up your wps? :) |
| 17:37:23 | rasher | Coldtoast: what about wavpack (wv) |
| 17:37:32 | Coldtoast | WVP? |
| 17:37:34 | t0mas | CoCoLUS: we still need something for that too |
| 17:37:35 | kenshin | t0mas: haven't checked out the code, yet, though. |
| 17:37:50 | t0mas | kenshin: feel free to edit it :) |
| 17:37:52 | rasher | t0mas: some kind of "case" conditional? |
| 17:38:17 | Cassandra | rasher: Nice. What're they for? (I think you mean "note" by the way.") |
| 17:38:18 | kenshin | t0mas: i'll get around it soon enough |
| 17:38:32 | t0mas | rasher: don't know... but something more than if-availible would be nice |
| 17:39:01 | t0mas | kenshin: wait a moment I have some changes to commit... leaving for a vacation tonight |
| 17:39:01 | rasher | %cfc<FLAC:value|MP3:value|default> |
| 17:39:13 | rasher | or something like that |
| 17:39:34 | kenshin | rasher: and "value" could be a conditional, as well? |
| 17:39:55 | rasher | Cassandra: They're not really for anything. I was bored and passed a while drawing little doodles |
| 17:40:11 | Cassandra | OK. ;) |
| 17:40:22 | rasher | kenshin: why? |
| 17:40:45 | rasher | but yes, I suppose it could be anything |
| 17:41:16 | rasher | I don't really know how the wps code hanldes conditionals now |
| 17:41:39 | rasher | does it just make a number of passes until nothing more is to be changed? |
| 17:42:14 | kenshin | rasher: no idea, just asking. i wouldn't use it that way. "value" would be an image for me. |
| 17:42:49 | t0mas | kenshin: changes done |
| 17:42:55 | t0mas | you can edit whatever you want now ;) |
| 17:43:18 | kenshin | t0mas: huh? |
| 17:44:00 | t0mas | to wps image code |
| 17:44:43 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 17:44:43 | kenshin | changes? i already have the CVS tree checked out (read-only). been poking around in there getting used to the code. |
| 17:45:45 | kenshin | t0mas: what "changes done" are you referring to? |
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| 17:49:25 | t0mas | kenshin: ok, I didn't know you had it read-only |
| 17:49:37 | t0mas | but you can cvs update now... |
| 17:49:49 | t0mas | then you have a copy of wps-display.c wit all my changes in |
| 17:49:58 | t0mas | if you want to change anything... do it in that version :) |
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| 17:50:25 | Yokalosh | Guys i got Knoppix to work |
| 17:50:45 | Yokalosh | now, where was the person who was telling me about doing something with my jbr10 in knoppix |
| 17:50:54 | rasher | are you in knoppix now? |
| 17:50:58 | Yokalosh | yeh |
| 17:51:16 | rasher | Wait.. did you use the Archos drivers for the jbr? |
| 17:51:24 | Yokalosh | yes |
| 17:51:39 | rasher | okay |
| 17:51:45 | rasher | well, try plugging in the jbr now |
| 17:52:30 | Yokalosh | was it you i was talking about my problem to? |
| 17:52:39 | t0mas | Cassandra: you've got a warning... in tree.c line 478 |
| 17:52:51 | t0mas | I guess you should add #ifdef TREE_RC_RUN |
| 17:53:03 | rasher | Yokalosh: no, but I was around |
| 17:53:10 | kenshin | t0mas: cool. thanks! i'll grab the latest tree sometime today (it's only 9:00 AM) and look at your new changes. |
| 17:53:10 | t0mas | oh... nevermind |
| 17:53:11 | t0mas | you just did |
| 17:53:17 | Yokalosh | oh wait a minute, i didnt install any drivers for knoppix, it just works |
| 17:53:33 | rasher | No, I meant in Windows |
| 17:53:35 | Yokalosh | and i dont have my i/o error in linux |
| 17:53:39 | rasher | sorry for the confusion |
| 17:53:42 | Yokalosh | lol np |
| 17:53:48 | t0mas | kenshin: ok |
| 17:53:58 | Yokalosh | well the problem doesnt apply in knoppix |
| 17:54:02 | rasher | Yokalosh: can you access the jbr in knoppix? |
| 17:54:05 | Yokalosh | so it was a windows problem |
| 17:54:10 | Yokalosh | yes it works in knoppix |
| 17:54:12 | rasher | It usually is... |
| 17:54:17 | Yokalosh | lol i hate windows |
| 17:54:22 | Yokalosh | i always wanted a mac |
| 17:54:33 | rasher | I guess you'd like to have it fixed though.. and I'm not sure how to do that |
| 17:54:41 | Cassandra | *sigh* I hate the way it's so easy to break a build for a platform you aren't developing on. |
| 17:54:59 | rasher | "it works in linux" isn't very helpful if you usually use windows |
| 17:55:29 | ashridah | Cassandra: you could setup your own build system that builds for everything, of course |
| 17:55:34 | ashridah | which would at least catch compiler issues |
| 17:55:40 | kenshin | Yokalosh: if you can, rebuild the filesystem and scan the player for bad blocks so windows doesn't choke on it |
| 17:55:41 | t0mas | Moos? hm? |
| 17:55:55 | Yokalosh | okay how? i'm a new linux user! |
| 17:56:03 | Moos | hi t0mas pv |
| 17:56:06 | rasher | Yokalosh: do you have a backup of everything on the jbr? |
| 17:56:18 | Cassandra | I *could* I suppose. |
| 17:56:34 | Yokalosh | no not yet |
| 17:56:49 | ashridah | Cassandra: well, incremental builds isn't going to take that much longer if there's no make cleans in there |
| 17:56:52 | t0mas | Cassandra: I've installed all simulators... |
| 17:56:55 | rasher | Hm, can you access any of your windows files in knoppix? |
| 17:56:55 | kenshin | Yokalosh: backup is step #1 |
| 17:57:13 | Yokalosh | okay yes i can access my windows files |
| 17:57:13 | t0mas | that doesn't catch all bugs... but you don't need other compilers for it |
| 17:57:16 | Cassandra | That'd catch some of them, yeah. |
| 17:57:19 | Yokalosh | but i cant run any exes naturally |
| 17:57:34 | Cassandra | I have both the Archos and iRiver compilers installed. |
| 17:57:34 | Yokalosh | i'll back it up now then |
| 17:57:43 | t0mas | Cassandra: me too, but no gmini |
| 17:57:47 | Cassandra | (I think Gmini has gone the way of the dodo) |
| 17:58:20 | | Quit textchimp (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 17:58:29 | Cassandra | Which is a shame. |
| 17:58:32 | Yokalosh | i think my windows hd are write protected from linux for some reason |
| 17:58:45 | rasher | Do you know if they're ntfs? |
| 17:59:14 | Coldtoast | by default permissions are set for write-only Yokalosh |
| 17:59:19 | Cassandra | The rockbox build system is, however, pretty funky. |
| 17:59:32 | rasher | funky how? |
| 17:59:33 | Yokalosh | yes they are ntfs |
| 17:59:59 | Yokalosh | oh yer it was read only |
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| 18:00:01 | rasher | Yokalosh: that's a shame.. I don't think knoppix supports writing to ntfs (anyone?) |
| 18:00:03 | Coldtoast | it's not really recommended to write to NTFS from Linux with the default NTFS support |
| 18:00:04 | Yokalosh | lol, that would explain |
| 18:00:10 | t0mas | Cassandra: time for an Oops2 ? |
| 18:00:23 | Yokalosh | all my drives are ntfs........... |
| 18:00:23 | Cassandra | Well, you get this pretty realtime view of how you're doing. ;) |
| 18:00:26 | kenshin | i don't think the kernel modules can right to NTFS |
| 18:00:33 | Yokalosh | i'll give it a go |
| 18:00:46 | Cassandra | t0mas: I already committed oops2 :) |
| 18:00:51 | Coldtoast | kenshin: they can't. But a few dists are including NTFS support |
| 18:00:56 | Cassandra | It's building right now. |
| 18:01:08 | t0mas | Cassandra: ok, it wasn't in my email yet |
| 18:01:26 | kenshin | ah. been running debian for like 3 years so i haven't kept up with NTFS support. |
| 18:01:36 | rasher | There should be a graph of who creates the most red builds |
| 18:01:55 | Coldtoast | I know there are commercial NTFS support that are a lot better |
| 18:02:01 | t0mas | rasher: why? :) |
| 18:02:03 | | Quit tvelocity () |
| 18:02:08 | Yokalosh | no, i cant write to ntfs even if i make it writable |
| 18:02:12 | rasher | t0mas: to publicly humiliate whoever does it the most |
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| 18:02:25 | rasher | of course..! |
| 18:02:25 | Yokalosh | so i will back up the files on that hard drive on windows and reformat |
| 18:02:40 | Yokalosh | to fat? |
| 18:02:44 | rasher | wait |
| 18:02:44 | t0mas | rasher: it should be devided by commit count then :) |
| 18:02:50 | rasher | t0mas: of course |
| 18:02:54 | t0mas | would be funny |
| 18:02:56 | t0mas | write it ;) |
| 18:03:16 | rasher | Yokalosh: try doing the following.. unmount the jbr (right click the icon on your desktop, I think) |
| 18:03:22 | Cassandra | Don't write it. My percentages is likely to be way too high. |
| 18:03:29 | Coldtoast | Yokalosh: http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/info/ntfs.html |
| 18:03:42 | rasher | t0mas: complicated by the fact that each build may include commits from several people |
| 18:03:46 | Yokalosh | carry on rasher |
| 18:03:56 | rasher | Yokalosh: open up a terminal window |
| 18:04:00 | t0mas | rasher: cvs annotate the line of the error? |
| 18:04:10 | rasher | t0mas: eek |
| 18:04:16 | t0mas | rasher: oh... no... don't do that... the error might be caused by someone else above it |
| 18:04:21 | Yokalosh | rasher: yup |
| 18:04:34 | rasher | Yokalosh: run dmesg |
| 18:04:37 | t0mas | rasher: then find a good way to do it :) |
| 18:04:37 | Coldtoast | hmmmmm. that page actually sates there's NTFS support in the kernel |
| 18:04:44 | Coldtoast | sates=states |
| 18:04:53 | rasher | and look for something like "sda: sda1" |
| 18:05:04 | Yokalosh | rasher: now what? |
| 18:05:08 | rasher | found that? |
| 18:05:24 | Yokalosh | yeh |
| 18:05:35 | rasher | what does it say? sda1? |
| 18:06:00 | Coldtoast | what do you need to write to NTFS for? |
| 18:06:17 | Yokalosh | to back up my archos |
| 18:06:23 | rasher | Coldtoast: backing up the contents of his jbr from knoppix to his harddrive |
| 18:06:32 | Yokalosh | rasher: i'll just do it in windows, it will be easier |
| 18:06:35 | rasher | Yokalosh: Now run: fsck.vfat -r /dev/sda1 |
| 18:06:41 | Yokalosh | oh ok |
| 18:06:49 | rasher | well, you can't access the jbr from windows can you? |
| 18:07:10 | Yokalosh | no but i can reformat my spare hd to fat in windows......... |
| 18:07:17 | rasher | Ah! |
| 18:07:18 | Yokalosh | and then back up the archos onto that hd on linux |
| 18:07:28 | rasher | Excellent idea |
| 18:07:31 | Yokalosh | :) |
| 18:07:33 | rasher | I'll shut up now then |
| 18:07:35 | kenshin | Yokalosh: definitely. make it fat32 and come back to knoppix. |
| 18:07:38 | Coldtoast | do you have a thumb drive at all? |
| 18:07:42 | Yokalosh | lol, see you in windows |
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| 18:07:49 | Coldtoast | or maybe even a card reader and a CF or SD card lyign around? |
| 18:08:10 | Coldtoast | heh. how big's the Archos he has? |
| 18:08:16 | rasher | 10gb I think |
| 18:08:22 | rasher | Yup |
| 18:08:23 | Coldtoast | ok |
| 18:08:56 | Coldtoast | I have SO many damn portable storage methods lyign around; thumb drive, iriver, SD, CF, spare HDDs |
| 18:11:20 | | Quit webguest93 ("CGI:IRC") |
| 18:12:40 | kenshin | hey, since you're all here |
| 18:13:07 | kenshin | i have a question about the simulator (well, the code but i'm running in the sim) |
| 18:14:15 | kenshin | in loadcodec there's a yield_codec(). where does that return to? |
| 18:15:04 | Cassandra | Can you use logical or with #ifdef ? |
| 18:15:16 | rasher | Sounds like something Slasheri would know |
| 18:15:33 | Cassandra | Or #if, rather. |
| 18:15:37 | rasher | Cassandra: && works, at least, so I'd guess yes |
| 18:16:20 | Slasheri | kenshin: Hmm, that yield_codec is defined in playback.c and it does nothing on the simulator |
| 18:16:35 | kenshin | Cassandra: yes, both && and || work with #if |
| 18:17:11 | kenshin | Slasheri: thanks. i can't figure out why the sim crashes when i "play" a file to see the WPS. |
| 18:17:40 | t0mas | kenshin: the codecs and pcm code are not yet sim friendly |
| 18:18:11 | kenshin | is there a way to see the WPS in the sim? |
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| 18:18:34 | rasher | kenshin: use a recorder sim, perhaps? |
| 18:19:01 | kenshin | recorder is sh1, not m68k, right? |
| 18:19:24 | t0mas | yes |
| 18:19:27 | rasher | yes, simulators are built natively though |
| 18:19:31 | rasher | no crosscompiler needed |
| 18:20:31 | kenshin | duh! (it's still early) |
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| 18:28:53 | rasher | "http://www.misticriver.net/boards/showthread.php?p=263561#post263561" <someh300owner> WE ARE MORE IMPORTANT! |
| 18:28:59 | Tiegs | test |
| 18:29:12 | rasher | Tiegs: blort |
| 18:29:28 | Tiegs | ? |
| 18:29:39 | rasher | Just thought you may want some response |
| 18:29:44 | Tiegs | oh thanks |
| 18:30:06 | * | rasher builds sh-elf tools |
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| 18:30:31 | Tiegs | i was looking for some help/questions answered re RockBox and IRiver if anyone cares to ofer some help ?? |
| 18:30:34 | Yokalosh | Hey |
| 18:30:43 | Yokalosh | i only just managed to get back onto windows |
| 18:30:44 | rasher | Tiegs: shoot |
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| 18:31:00 | Tiegs | thanks rasher- ok, well i want a gapless mp3 player |
| 18:31:23 | Tiegs | i found only the rio karma, but someone said in iriver forums that rockbox would work |
| 18:31:59 | rasher | Yes, rockbox on iriver does/will do gapless mp3 (and ogg, flac, wavpack...) |
| 18:32:03 | Tiegs | my questions are many (NOOB w mp3 firmware) |
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| 18:32:14 | Yokalosh | Hey |
| 18:32:20 | Yokalosh | I only just got back onto windows |
| 18:32:24 | MO-Pantsu | well the hardware side of things for H300 needs a bit of work and then everything else should port over easily since it uses the same coldfire cpu from what I recall |
| 18:32:33 | Tiegs | well, what would i do to use the rockbox w an iriver? |
| 18:33:00 | MO-Pantsu | Rockbox does gapless on 'some' MP3 |
| 18:33:12 | Tiegs | starting from scratch - i put iriver into usb and load rockbox onto it or what? i have no clue |
| 18:33:19 | t0mas | rasher: I think a lot of people have an H1xx now... and will buy a H3xx when rockbox comes out for that :) |
| 18:33:35 | MO-Pantsu | EAC Lame rips with recent Lame builds does gapless fine |
| 18:33:54 | rasher | Tiegs: patch an iriver firmware update file, do firmware update in the iriver firmware, copy rockbox to your iriver harddrive, and off you go |
| 18:34:04 | Coldtoast | I've had to run VBRFix on 2 albums encoded with LAME |
| 18:34:05 | MO-Pantsu | But some MP3's ripped with recent Lame builds still glitch because they were ripped with some crappy ripper and encoded after |
| 18:34:16 | Tiegs | what aboout if i want to load an album w track marks but want the playbeack to be seemless (Abbey Road etc) |
| 18:34:35 | Cassandra | Rip in EAC with a recent LAME and it will work. |
| 18:34:36 | MO-Pantsu | Coldtoast what does the VBR fix do for playback? |
| 18:34:45 | Tiegs | also, i have MP3 files from live recordings i would like to playback gapless, like burning a disc DAO |
| 18:34:58 | MO-Pantsu | Tiegs CUE is not supported yet |
| 18:35:06 | Coldtoast | MO-Pantsu: tracks were showing as 35mins and seeking wouldn't work |
| 18:35:09 | Tiegs | what is CUE rasher? |
| 18:35:09 | Cassandra | Wow! I have a quick menu on my iRiver. *grins* |
| 18:35:26 | MO-Pantsu | track marks |
| 18:35:28 | Cassandra | Unfortunately combo keypresses aren't working. :( |
| 18:35:30 | MO-Pantsu | on a single large MP3 |
| 18:35:34 | MO-Pantsu | or whatever |
| 18:35:45 | rasher | Slasheri: did the plans to do fancy gapless (ie. silence removal for non-specially encoded files) die out? |
| 18:35:51 | Tiegs | it isnt a single large but many fils |
| 18:35:53 | Tiegs | files |
| 18:36:08 | MO-Pantsu | so what do you mean by track marks? |
| 18:36:18 | Slasheri | rasher: Hmm, maybe crossfader can do that |
| 18:36:31 | MO-Pantsu | no it don't seem to do it |
| 18:36:49 | MO-Pantsu | gapless needs some buffering tricks like nullsoft uses in their dx output |
| 18:36:49 | Tiegs | i mean there are live recordings that when burned DAO or played w ShnAMP they playback w no gaps, yet there are tracks inserted |
| 18:37:24 | rasher | that's just regular gapless playback |
| 18:37:26 | Tiegs | so they are different files (not one long one) but would like to be able to play them back w no gap |
| 18:37:38 | Tiegs | am i better off w rio karma or trying rockbox w an iriver? |
| 18:37:44 | MO-Pantsu | silence removal below a certain db and buffer, prebuffer stuff |
| 18:38:18 | Moos | Slasheri: hi, your promising dsp stuffs progress? |
| 18:38:20 | MO-Pantsu | Tiegs as long as the tracks are ripped correctly and encoded in recent Lame build gapless plays back flawlessly |
| 18:38:37 | MO-Pantsu | any other MP3's will glitch |
| 18:38:38 | Coldtoast | with the albums inquestion, Iplayed them in Winamp and the time display jumped all over the place |
| 18:38:40 | Tiegs | thnx rasher - what is LAME build? |
| 18:38:53 | MO-Pantsu | Lame MP3 encoder |
| 18:38:56 | rasher | LAME is an mp3 encoder |
| 18:39:00 | Tiegs | thanks |
| 18:39:03 | MO-Pantsu | Not Xing or anything else |
| 18:39:06 | Slasheri | Moos: yes, i can commit it soon. But resampler is still buggy for other than mp3 files.. I will let other people to fix that |
| 18:39:08 | Coldtoast | LAME is not An MP3 Encoder |
| 18:39:09 | Coldtoast | heh |
| 18:39:16 | MO-Pantsu | it's a codec |
| 18:39:18 | MO-Pantsu | I know |
| 18:39:19 | MO-Pantsu | whatever |
| 18:39:21 | rasher | except it is, now |
| 18:39:27 | rasher | it used to be a set of patches, I believe |
| 18:39:27 | Coldtoast | I just like typing it :) |
| 18:39:45 | Moos | Slasheri: wonderfull, good plan, commit if you can |
| 18:39:46 | MO-Pantsu | well whatever it is it works for gapless when used correctly |
| 18:39:48 | Coldtoast | EAC+LAME is my fave combo |
| 18:39:54 | MO-Pantsu | yup |
| 18:39:56 | Tiegs | well, can you guys help me from square one...once i get the iriver what the next step to loading music so i can play it back gapless? |
| 18:40:07 | MO-Pantsu | just play it |
| 18:40:22 | Tiegs | but i need rockbox correct? |
| 18:40:27 | MO-Pantsu | yes |
| 18:40:29 | Tiegs | the iriver wont do it |
| 18:40:38 | MO-Pantsu | not without Rockbox |
| 18:40:43 | Moos | Slasheri: you're right probably others devs will want to work in it :) |
| 18:40:46 | Tiegs | ok, now here is the question..what IS rockbox? |
| 18:40:47 | rasher | "To build GCC 3.3.X for SH1, you need a fancy work-around" fun fun fun |
| 18:40:59 | | Part poddan |
| 18:41:01 | MO-Pantsu | www.rockbox.org |
| 18:41:04 | Coldtoast | the iriver firmware gives you a very basic DAP |
| 18:41:04 | MO-Pantsu | read up |
| 18:41:09 | Coldtoast | it's not very fancy |
| 18:41:18 | Slasheri | Moos: yep. But i still have to fix one thing |
| 18:41:35 | Tiegs | i have that link MO- i just dont get it |
| 18:41:44 | Coldtoast | you can only queue the next song with the iriver firmware |
| 18:41:51 | Moos | Slasheri: oki, good luck for this ;) |
| 18:42:02 | Febs | Tiegs: try this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GeneralFAQ. Question no. 3. |
| 18:42:07 | MO-Pantsu | I am sure Slasheri will come up with a wonderful gapless method sooner or later for all MP3's ;) |
| 18:42:16 | MO-Pantsu | once he fixes accurate seek! ;) |
| 18:42:19 | MO-Pantsu | lol |
| 18:42:40 | Moos | step by step ;) |
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| 18:43:14 | Tiegs | so the rocbox basically overwrites the iriver firmware? |
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| 18:43:22 | Coldtoast | nope |
| 18:43:23 | rasher | No |
| 18:43:24 | MO-Pantsu | trying to test gapless when your seek is fubar is kinda hard, you have to spend an entire song waiting for the changeover to the next track hehe |
| 18:43:30 | rasher | they live in perfect harmony |
| 18:43:42 | Tiegs | so it is a plugin? |
| 18:43:47 | MO-Pantsu | no |
| 18:43:49 | Coldtoast | you merge the rockbox bootloader with the iriver firmware and the bootloader loads rockbox from the HDD |
| 18:43:50 | MO-Pantsu | it's a bootloader |
| 18:43:59 | MO-Pantsu | you can load either |
| 18:44:10 | rasher | You chose either to start iriver firmware, or rockbox |
| 18:44:21 | Tiegs | excellent - thanks |
| 18:44:45 | Tiegs | so how do i get rockbox onto the iriver? |
| 18:44:47 | Coldtoast | fwpatcher is a dead easy way to merge the bootloader |
| 18:45:02 | Coldtoast | connect your iriver via USB and copy it across |
| 18:45:24 | Tiegs | what files do i need and what steps..i have read all the posts from the rockbox site, just lost as i have never done any of this |
| 18:45:24 | Coldtoast | same way you copy music to the player |
| 18:45:44 | Coldtoast | just unzip rockbox to the iriver :) |
| 18:45:47 | Coldtoast | it's all in there |
| 18:45:52 | Tiegs | ok, thanks |
| 18:46:11 | Tiegs | do i risk screwing up the iriver HD? |
| 18:46:18 | Tiegs | if i do it wrong? |
| 18:46:26 | Tiegs | does it reformat the HD? |
| 18:46:48 | Coldtoast | nah. it'll redirect all your mail to teh FBI tho |
| 18:46:56 | Tiegs | lol |
| 18:47:05 | Coldtoast | there's risk with anything |
| 18:47:20 | Coldtoast | there's risk involved even just updating the iriver formware |
| 18:47:27 | Coldtoast | firmware |
| 18:47:36 | Slasheri | Tiegs: you don't lose anything if the firmware upgrade completes successfully |
| 18:47:38 | Tiegs | ok..well since i dont have the player in hand. i guess ill buy it and then come in the room to install if thats cool. if i could get some assistance when the install time comes |
| 18:47:48 | Coldtoast | which one are you getting? |
| 18:47:56 | Tiegs | i am reading and do not have any products in hand |
| 18:48:13 | Tiegs | i want a 20G Iriver |
| 18:48:20 | Coldtoast | the colour one? |
| 18:48:25 | Tiegs | what files should i download to pc first? |
| 18:48:37 | Tiegs | i guess - does it matter? |
| 18:48:41 | Coldtoast | you getting the h320? (colour one) |
| 18:48:45 | Coldtoast | err. somewhat. hehe |
| 18:48:56 | Coldtoast | if you buy the h320, no need to worry about rockbox for a while |
| 18:49:36 | Coldtoast | the only 20GB iriver rockbox works on is the h120 |
| 18:50:39 | Tiegs | ok thanks |
| 18:50:51 | Coldtoast | it's just a matter of time tho |
| 18:51:36 | Coldtoast | have you seen the one you were looking at buying? |
| 18:51:39 | Tiegs | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0009H9PZU/qid=1119804671/sr=2-3/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_3/102-0555205-0063303 |
| 18:51:43 | Tiegs | that one? |
| 18:51:54 | Coldtoast | HELL no |
| 18:51:58 | Coldtoast | that's teh h10 |
| 18:52:14 | Tiegs | lol..ok i cant find the h120 |
| 18:52:16 | Coldtoast | :) |
| 18:52:18 | kenshin | t0mas: you said i could do CVS commits. for that i'd need a user and pass. |
| 18:52:23 | MO-Pantsu | Rockbox won't be on that for some time. If ever. |
| 18:52:32 | Tiegs | where can i find the h120? |
| 18:52:34 | kenshin | Tiegs: iRiver no longer makes the h1xx series (sadly) |
| 18:52:37 | MO-Pantsu | H1x0 is discontinued |
| 18:52:42 | Tiegs | damn!! |
| 18:52:45 | Coldtoast | ebay |
| 18:52:50 | Tiegs | so do i have to get a rio karma??? |
| 18:52:59 | Coldtoast | http://www.clubic.com/photo/00041184.jpg |
| 18:53:00 | MO-Pantsu | no |
| 18:53:05 | Coldtoast | there's the h120 |
| 18:53:16 | kenshin | Coldtoast: ouch! they're selling for STEEP on eBay, IIRC. |
| 18:53:23 | Coldtoast | no doubt |
| 18:53:32 | Coldtoast | somebody in here wsa thinking of sellign tho |
| 18:53:52 | MO-Pantsu | http://search.ebay.com/iriver-h120_W0QQfkrZ1QQfromZR8 |
| 18:53:52 | Coldtoast | they wanted the price of a h320 for their h120 tho :) |
| 18:53:52 | Tiegs | so i need the H120? |
| 18:54:00 | MO-Pantsu | plenty on ebay |
| 18:54:02 | Coldtoast | or the 40GB h140 |
| 18:54:03 | MO-Pantsu | or 140 |
| 18:54:18 | Coldtoast | or, sometime downteh track, the h300 series |
| 18:54:30 | rasher | you need the h120 or you could get a h320 and wait for half a year |
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| 18:55:00 | Coldtoast | now. aren't you glad you came here and checked? heh |
| 18:55:21 | MO-Pantsu | H3x0 series has colour screen and looks a bit ugly plasticky and has no optical in and out |
| 18:55:23 | Tiegs | haha.yes I am glad |
| 18:55:42 | Coldtoast | these aren't cheap toys. I'd sure hate to have bought the wrong one |
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| 18:55:50 | Tiegs | thanks coldtoast |
| 18:55:56 | Coldtoast | I bough tmine last Nov after reading a lot of stuff |
| 18:56:09 | Tiegs | thats why i finally came in here |
| 18:56:14 | Coldtoast | the h1x0 got rave reviews |
| 18:56:17 | Coldtoast | good man |
| 18:56:18 | MO-Pantsu | H1x0 series has only mono screen, includes remote with lcd, looks sexier though and has optical in and out |
| 18:56:38 | MO-Pantsu | you pays your money and takes your choice |
| 18:56:39 | rasher | Well, the main screen has 4 colours |
| 18:56:43 | Coldtoast | and the h1x0 has a mag alloy case |
| 18:56:53 | MO-Pantsu | rasher can't wait to see video playback lol |
| 18:56:55 | Coldtoast | not plastic |
| 18:57:09 | rasher | MO-Pantsu: We'll get more greys! |
| 18:57:15 | rasher | (by cheating) |
| 18:57:20 | MO-Pantsu | haha |
| 18:57:23 | MO-Pantsu | that old trick |
| 18:57:25 | MO-Pantsu | like in newspapers |
| 18:57:29 | Tiegs | here is one that ended - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=48683&item=5784280807&rd=1 |
| 18:57:30 | Coldtoast | dithering |
| 18:57:33 | MO-Pantsu | yep |
| 18:57:41 | rasher | well not quite |
| 18:57:55 | rasher | flip a pixel off and on quickly and it'll appear lighter |
| 18:57:58 | rasher | but still solid |
| 18:58:02 | Coldtoast | haha |
| 18:58:15 | Coldtoast | that's a cool idea :) |
| 18:58:16 | MO-Pantsu | interesting |
| 18:58:17 | rasher | the archos models get 36 greys this way, on a 2-colour display |
| 18:58:28 | MO-Pantsu | you could get 64 then ;) |
| 18:58:29 | Coldtoast | you wouldn't need it fast on the h1x0 tho :) |
| 18:58:34 | ashridah | arghl. damned n64 roms. it's 3am |
| 18:58:35 | Coldtoast | SLOOOOW LCD |
| 18:58:35 | ashridah | night |
| 18:58:38 | rasher | though I'm worried about the slow lcd |
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| 18:58:49 | Coldtoast | which rom are you after? |
| 18:58:53 | MO-Pantsu | actually wouldn't it be 72? :) |
| 18:59:19 | Tiegs | last question (for now) If I may please? |
| 18:59:19 | MO-Pantsu | slow lcd might be a problem |
| 18:59:40 | Tiegs | so to get a gapless capable IRiver I need which models?? |
| 18:59:40 | rasher | sure |
| 18:59:53 | MO-Pantsu | h120 or h140 |
| 18:59:58 | Tiegs | thanks |
| 18:59:58 | rasher | Right now: h120 or h140 - which are discontinued |
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| 19:00:05 | Tiegs | damn.. |
| 19:00:12 | rasher | If you're willing to wait a while, h320 and h340 will also be |
| 19:00:16 | MO-Pantsu | as stated it's not gapless for ALL MP3 files yet and there is no promise it will |
| 19:00:23 | Coldtoast | and they don't go cheap secondhand. they're sought after |
| 19:00:29 | Tiegs | thank you guys very much..has anyone bought from ebay (makes me nervous to buy one of those from ebay) |
| 19:00:33 | MO-Pantsu | if you are ripping your own stuff though you can make sure it is |
| 19:00:56 | MO-Pantsu | read their ratings |
| 19:00:59 | Coldtoast | I've spent thousands on ebay over the past 3 years |
| 19:01:16 | MO-Pantsu | 99.x % is good do not trust 100% or those that only been trading on ebay for short time |
| 19:01:28 | Coldtoast | never been ripped off. never had anythign dodgy happen. Had stuff screw up and the seller replaced or refunded |
| 19:01:35 | MO-Pantsu | read the user comments |
| 19:01:36 | Coldtoast | but man. be smart about it! |
| 19:01:43 | Tiegs | so the 120 is 20G and 140 is 40G ? |
| 19:01:53 | rasher | yup |
| 19:01:53 | MO-Pantsu | I always have had good trade on ebay |
| 19:02:06 | MO-Pantsu | I sold a spare H140 on there :) |
| 19:02:10 | Coldtoast | yeah. read feedback. If somebody has, like, 100%, check when they joined, check how long of a period their feedback is over |
| 19:02:20 | Tiegs | my ebay has been good too, just never bought electronics using ebay |
| 19:02:29 | rasher | Dammit, gcc sh-elf compile failed |
| 19:02:32 | Coldtoast | I know for a FACT there were Chinese guys running didgy auctions for PDAs |
| 19:02:37 | Tiegs | what did u sell the 140 for? |
| 19:02:40 | MO-Pantsu | I had 2 delivered to me by mistake. Tough on Amazon. But... hehe |
| 19:03:07 | Coldtoast | you look at their feedback, it was 100% with, like, 200 feedbacks but they were all over a 4 period day for items costing $0.99 |
| 19:03:10 | MO-Pantsu | I sold it for £220 I think or around that mark |
| 19:03:15 | MO-Pantsu | nice profit ;) |
| 19:03:34 | MO-Pantsu | Coldtoast exactly |
| 19:03:56 | MO-Pantsu | so I near enough got my H140 for free :) |
| 19:03:59 | Coldtoast | so ebay is GREAT _IF_ you use your brain |
| 19:04:18 | Coldtoast | never accept offers outside of ebay either. EVER |
| 19:04:25 | MO-Pantsu | nope |
| 19:04:31 | MO-Pantsu | use Paypal all the time I do |
| 19:04:42 | MO-Pantsu | Despite Paypal's reputation |
| 19:04:43 | rasher | And if someone is selling you a p-p-powerbook, run! |
| 19:04:44 | Coldtoast | ppl will see you bid on something then contact you outside of the auction offering you what you were biddin gon |
| 19:04:47 | MO-Pantsu | never had an issue with them |
| 19:04:48 | Coldtoast | haha! |
| 19:04:53 | Tiegs | oh i know how to use ebay ok, just never bought electroics - worried about DOA or bogus item |
| 19:05:00 | Coldtoast | p-p-p-powerbook was awesome |
| 19:05:28 | Coldtoast | Tiegs: try and buy from a powerseller or something |
| 19:05:31 | MO-Pantsu | I bought some Duracell M3's from ebay dirt cheap |
| 19:05:35 | Coldtoast | not some dude with 5 feedbacks :) |
| 19:05:40 | Tiegs | wow the 140 is too heavy. i want to walk w it/exercise walk and i dont need the photos etc |
| 19:05:44 | MO-Pantsu | 16x for silly money compared to retail |
| 19:05:44 | Coldtoast | if you're worried about warranty of any kind |
| 19:06:06 | MO-Pantsu | I walk with it fine |
| 19:06:12 | Coldtoast | I train with mine fine |
| 19:06:13 | Tiegs | how long ago was 120 discontinued? |
| 19:06:19 | MO-Pantsu | I shove it in my pocket or on my belt and hardly notice it |
| 19:06:25 | Coldtoast | but, yeah, it does have a tendency to pull my pants down |
| 19:06:35 | MO-Pantsu | I like it in my car best on my mobile phone holder |
| 19:06:40 | Coldtoast | my pants are too big tho. Even my wallet does that |
| 19:06:44 | MO-Pantsu | plus it into the stereo and off I go! |
| 19:06:46 | MO-Pantsu | plug |
| 19:07:02 | MO-Pantsu | put it on your belt |
| 19:07:10 | Coldtoast | hey. btw |
| 19:07:17 | Coldtoast | what case are you guys using with your h140? |
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| 19:07:24 | MO-Pantsu | I use iSkin |
| 19:07:35 | Coldtoast | I'm using the one mine came with |
| 19:07:39 | MO-Pantsu | reasonable protection with LCD plate |
| 19:07:46 | Coldtoast | it's a RALLY good case! |
| 19:07:51 | Coldtoast | ak. LCD plate would be nice, yeah |
| 19:08:06 | MO-Pantsu | you can get colored ones heh |
| 19:08:09 | Coldtoast | I've dropped mine (not from a great height) a few times and the case saved it from scratches |
| 19:08:12 | MO-Pantsu | My iSkin glows in the dark |
| 19:08:29 | Coldtoast | had mine since Nov last year and there's not a single scratch or mark on it anywhere |
| 19:08:52 | Coldtoast | wipe it over with a cloth and it looks brand spanking |
| 19:09:03 | Coldtoast | I love the mag alloy case. so robust |
| 19:09:09 | Coldtoast | and I LIKE the weight |
| 19:09:27 | Coldtoast | Tiegs: that's part of the reason it's a bit heavier; not cheap plastic |
| 19:09:41 | MO-Pantsu | I would not say no to a 40gb player the size of the remote though ;) |
| 19:09:48 | kenshin | i repainted my h1xx (first time was green, it's blue right now) |
| 19:10:01 | Coldtoast | heh. I use my remote ALL the time |
| 19:10:15 | MO-Pantsu | I need the remote LCD on Rockbox badly |
| 19:10:28 | Coldtoast | and I've had a few ppl ask me about it. how many songs it holds. I tell them "Over 10,000 I guess" and they FREAK! |
| 19:10:35 | Coldtoast | cos they think the remote is the player |
| 19:10:41 | MO-Pantsu | haha |
| 19:10:48 | Coldtoast | you must have had that? |
| 19:10:59 | MO-Pantsu | I don't let anyone see it |
| 19:11:08 | MO-Pantsu | I hide it all in my jacket out of sight |
| 19:11:14 | Coldtoast | I had this cool idea, btw |
| 19:11:16 | MO-Pantsu | round these parts you are liable to get mugged |
| 19:11:31 | Coldtoast | get a crappy old walkman or something. Maybe an old MD walkman |
| 19:11:39 | Coldtoast | carry that on your belt on the other side |
| 19:11:57 | rasher | Not a bad word about the MDs. Served me well, they did |
| 19:12:00 | Coldtoast | if somebody tries to mug you for your DAP, lift your jacket and show em the walkman |
| 19:12:04 | MO-Pantsu | that's where my mobile phone is...which is another problem |
| 19:12:09 | Coldtoast | give it to em and let em go on their merry way |
| 19:12:21 | MO-Pantsu | I want to have my mobile phone connected to my headphones as well as the iRiver |
| 19:12:28 | MO-Pantsu | and accept calls |
| 19:12:49 | Coldtoast | I'd never bag MD. I went from MD to my iriver |
| 19:13:04 | Coldtoast | I have an unopened box of discs sitting on a shelf behind me. sigh |
| 19:13:05 | MO-Pantsu | I wish I could get a good Bluetooth plugin for the iRiver |
| 19:13:30 | Coldtoast | you mean a plugin module? earphone one? |
| 19:13:44 | MO-Pantsu | little Bluetooth plugin module that allows use of your own headphones |
| 19:13:53 | kenshin | bluetooth requires transceiver hardware |
| 19:14:02 | Coldtoast | don't those ones you can buy work with just any phones? |
| 19:14:13 | MO-Pantsu | module goes in player, headphones go into little both other end with button and mic |
| 19:14:28 | MO-Pantsu | both = box |
| 19:14:33 | Coldtoast | you can buy external modules tho |
| 19:14:42 | MO-Pantsu | well I have not seen any |
| 19:14:50 | Coldtoast | oh? I'll get yo links |
| 19:15:24 | MO-Pantsu | I'd shorten the cable on my own headphones to near nothing. Just below my neck where the Bluetooth box with mix and button would hang |
| 19:15:26 | rasher | t0mas: you there? |
| 19:16:00 | MO-Pantsu | module would need to send from iRiver output and send recieve from mobile phone |
| 19:16:13 | MO-Pantsu | make sense? |
| 19:16:41 | MO-Pantsu | needs to be stereo Bluetooth of course |
| 19:17:02 | MO-Pantsu | I really don't think he can find what I am looking for ;) |
| 19:17:21 | kenshin | rasher: t0mas said he added me to CVS commit. how do I get a non-read-only checkout? |
| 19:17:21 | MO-Pantsu | all stereo bluetooth is usually their own headphones |
| 19:17:27 | MO-Pantsu | which are shit |
| 19:17:39 | kenshin | rasher: i know i need a user/pass but i have no idea what they could be. |
| 19:17:57 | MO-Pantsu | iRiver was working on one you know |
| 19:17:57 | | Quit Tiegs ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") |
| 19:17:58 | rasher | kenshin: Only Bagder, LinusN or Zagor can give you that, I believe |
| 19:18:04 | MO-Pantsu | of the type I want |
| 19:18:21 | Cassandra | I think what he meant was that he checked in your patch. |
| 19:18:24 | rasher | kenshin: posting patches works well though |
| 19:18:56 | kenshin | rasher: oh. okay. that's what i thought, as well. |
| 19:19:14 | Cassandra | If you post patches enough, the mad Swedes get annoyed with you and give you commit access. :) |
| 19:19:33 | HCl | yea, t0mas can't add cvs commit access O.o. |
| 19:19:50 | kenshin | Cassandra: not sure what patch. linus committed my only submitted patch. |
| 19:20:02 | Cassandra | *shrugs* Dunno. |
| 19:20:06 | kenshin | mabye t0mas was smokin' something good earlier. :) |
| 19:20:23 | Coldtoast | MO-Pantsu: ah. well, this one I was was just s module you conned the OUT from iriver to and you can listen to music with BT earphones |
| 19:20:35 | t0mas | kenshin: no, I added my changes |
| 19:20:35 | Cassandra | Last patch Tomas commited was "some changes to the image code" |
| 19:20:40 | t0mas | and asked you to look at it |
| 19:20:56 | kenshin | t0mas: maybe i was smokin' something good earlier! ;) |
| 19:21:01 | t0mas | if you want to write something to it... email me or someone with cvs write access a patch |
| 19:21:14 | t0mas | kenshin: well... I'm dutch ;) ;) |
| 19:21:20 | MO-Pantsu | Coldtoast told ya so :) |
| 19:21:25 | Coldtoast | :) |
| 19:21:30 | Coldtoast | still want me to find it? |
| 19:21:39 | MO-Pantsu | they don't make anything Bluetooth for the serious hi-fi dude |
| 19:21:43 | Cassandra | I do not accept other people's patches. I have enough trouble understanding my own code. |
| 19:21:48 | t0mas | [19:19:19] <Cassandra> If you post patches enough, the mad Swedes get annoyed with you and give you commit access. :) <−−- yeah, that works :) |
| 19:21:56 | Coldtoast | http://www.atruereview.com/iphono/index.php |
| 19:22:05 | MO-Pantsu | You can get crap Bluetooth MP3 player of course |
| 19:22:09 | t0mas | I emailed linus a few patches... and after that he gave me cvs access... because he didn't want to commit every few hours for me :) |
| 19:22:10 | Cassandra | It's how I got it. *grins* |
| 19:22:44 | rasher | I got it to update rockbox.org/digest/ .. which I now don't |
| 19:22:51 | rasher | it's a shame, really |
| 19:23:03 | Cassandra | *nods* The digest was a good idea. |
| 19:23:11 | rasher | The scripts are broken |
| 19:23:13 | MO-Pantsu | wanna know how I get round that problem of mobile and iRiver at the moment? |
| 19:23:23 | rasher | So end up not bothering because it'll just blow up |
| 19:23:38 | Coldtoast | sure |
| 19:23:52 | MO-Pantsu | Bluetooth headset in one ear. Headphones over the top |
| 19:23:55 | * | Cassandra wonders if the Windows installer is still broken. |
| 19:23:57 | Coldtoast | heh |
| 19:24:05 | Cassandra | I wish someone'd stick that in CVS. |
| 19:24:15 | MO-Pantsu | works but can get painful from prolonged pressure on one ear |
| 19:24:33 | Coldtoast | which phone do you have? |
| 19:24:43 | MO-Pantsu | the music passes thru the Bluetooth headset earpiece surprisingly well. I hear hardly any difference |
| 19:25:00 | MO-Pantsu | Nokia 6230 and Jabra headset |
| 19:25:02 | Cassandra | It's this immensely cunning piece of Perl that runs InnoSetup under Wine to build a Windows installable exe non-interactively |
| 19:25:12 | t0mas | MO-Pantsu: cool, I've ordered the same phone last week |
| 19:25:12 | Cassandra | Of course I would say that. I wrote it. |
| 19:25:18 | t0mas | hope to get it between my two vacations :D |
| 19:25:27 | Cassandra | But it's undergone many changes since then. |
| 19:25:34 | MO-Pantsu | it's a nice phone. a few bugs but they all seem to have bugs I noted |
| 19:25:56 | t0mas | hm? you can bring it to a nokia shop |
| 19:26:00 | t0mas | they'll patch the firmware |
| 19:26:20 | Coldtoast | I looked at that phone myself |
| 19:26:27 | MO-Pantsu | I should get the latest firmware for my phone before the 12 month contract is up. I'm going to pay-as-you-go since I don't make many calls. More incoming than outgoing |
| 19:26:28 | Coldtoast | but I went for the SE K700i |
| 19:26:55 | MO-Pantsu | I was looking at the Sony Ericsson K750i |
| 19:26:56 | Cassandra | I wish Sony'd make a more up to date flip phone. |
| 19:26:58 | t0mas | MO-Pantsu: hm? here in Holland you get a new phone at the end of the contract :D |
| 19:27:12 | Cassandra | I like my Z600, but it's a bit bulky. |
| 19:27:31 | MO-Pantsu | well they might offer me one but I'd be signed for another 12 months and have to pay line rental :) |
| 19:27:41 | Coldtoast | MO-Pantsu: stay away from SE |
| 19:27:43 | Coldtoast | seriously |
| 19:27:53 | Coldtoast | the k700i is an amazing phone, no doubt |
| 19:27:59 | MO-Pantsu | the 2 megapixel camera is tempting |
| 19:28:06 | Coldtoast | BUT you get ~3.5 days of standby |
| 19:28:09 | t0mas | wtf? you buy a phone for the camera?? |
| 19:28:13 | kenshin | i like my RAZR so far (had it for about 2 weeks) |
| 19:28:16 | MO-Pantsu | hehe |
| 19:28:25 | Cassandra | Personally I use a camera for taking pictures and a phone for phoning people. |
| 19:28:27 | Coldtoast | SE claim 300hrs of standy fo rthe k700i |
| 19:28:28 | t0mas | 2 megapixel is still < a good camera... |
| 19:28:38 | t0mas | Cassandra: me too |
| 19:28:41 | rasher | Well, I don't always carry around a camera |
| 19:28:44 | Cassandra | I wish the damn things didn't come with cameras. Waste of time/ |
| 19:28:46 | Coldtoast | when it's not even 90hrs |
| 19:28:49 | rasher | I *do* however (almost) always carry a phone |
| 19:29:03 | t0mas | rasher: and you shoot pictures with it? |
| 19:29:10 | rasher | Not much |
| 19:29:12 | kenshin | Cassandra: YES! I do too! Waste of space, money, and time. |
| 19:29:13 | MO-Pantsu | The camera on the Nokia 6230 sucks somewhat |
| 19:29:19 | t0mas | man... the pictures just suck... and it's a waste of power + space + money |
| 19:29:22 | Cassandra | No doubt eventually we'll all have PDA/phone/cameras running Rockbox. |
| 19:29:28 | rasher | but then I just don't shoot pictures, and wouldn't if I had a camera |
| 19:29:29 | MO-Pantsu | OK for outdoor shots but indoor :P |
| 19:29:29 | Cassandra | However, until that point ... |
| 19:29:35 | t0mas | MO-Pantsu: I don't care... I don't want to use it anyway :) |
| 19:29:37 | MO-Pantsu | VGA res |
| 19:29:58 | Coldtoast | I have a Nikon CP4500 camera. I don't need a camera in my phone |
| 19:30:14 | MO-Pantsu | wanna see some pics I took with my Kodak 3 megapixel camera? :) |
| 19:30:19 | rasher | Coldtoast: and you have very large pockets? |
| 19:30:20 | t0mas | Coldtoast: I still have a CP 885 |
| 19:30:27 | t0mas | but it's good quality... |
| 19:30:32 | t0mas | no need to upgrade until now |
| 19:30:36 | Coldtoast | yeah. the 4500 is amazing |
| 19:30:41 | Cassandra | This is why handbags rock. I can fit my camera *and* a tripod in mine. |
| 19:30:52 | t0mas | Cassandra: hahaha |
| 19:30:54 | MO-Pantsu | http://img124.echo.cx/my.php?image=q6j10000381024.jpg |
| 19:30:55 | Coldtoast | and still listed as a current model, which is impressive for a 4 year old camera |
| 19:30:57 | rasher | I'm *not* getting a handbag! |
| 19:31:07 | Cassandra | Rucksacks work too. |
| 19:31:09 | t0mas | Coldtoast: the 885 is 4 to 5 years old too |
| 19:31:20 | MO-Pantsu | http://img54.echo.cx/my.php?image=c8d10015161024.jpg |
| 19:31:27 | Coldtoast | t0mas: does that have FREAKY GOOD MAcro too? |
| 19:31:30 | rasher | Well, I like having what I need in my pockets |
| 19:31:33 | Coldtoast | it's aNikon trademark it seems |
| 19:31:37 | kenshin | Cassandra: nice. a guy with a handbag wouldn't look completely out of place here in Seattle! ;) |
| 19:31:37 | t0mas | Coldtoast: yes, < 5 cm still works |
| 19:31:56 | Coldtoast | what are these images MO-Pantsu? |
| 19:32:05 | rasher | Aaaanyway, why won't gcc-3.3.4 compile for sh-elf? |
| 19:32:06 | Cassandra | My tripod is great. Folds down to about the size of one of those self-expanding umbrellas. And it's full size when open. |
| 19:32:06 | t0mas | kenshin: what's that kind of a town? |
| 19:32:07 | t0mas | :P |
| 19:32:08 | Coldtoast | from the k750i? |
| 19:32:18 | Cassandra | Ebay is wonderful for things like that. |
| 19:32:19 | MO-Pantsu | No my Kodak lol |
| 19:32:23 | Coldtoast | aaah |
| 19:32:34 | kenshin | seattle? seattle is a little bit of everything. |
| 19:32:37 | Coldtoast | I had a Kodak. Got rid of it pretty quckly tho |
| 19:32:44 | MO-Pantsu | I need a better camera |
| 19:32:47 | Coldtoast | CX6330 I think ti was |
| 19:33:03 | MO-Pantsu | Kodak is annoying it blurs too easily and indoor shots are a pain |
| 19:33:17 | MO-Pantsu | I want one with a better shutter speed |
| 19:33:19 | Cassandra | *sighs* Anyone know where (if anywhere) the iRiver button controller setup is documented? |
| 19:33:23 | Coldtoast | yeah. Kodak have this horrible, aggressive noise reduction stuff they use |
| 19:33:41 | rasher | Cassandra: what kind of information are you looking for? |
| 19:33:42 | Coldtoast | kills fine details, makes colours look alightly painterly |
| 19:34:00 | Coldtoast | http://www.3dluvr.com/edan/build.php?gal=photo |
| 19:34:02 | Cassandra | Which buttons I can chord, ie are on seperate IO lines. |
| 19:34:04 | MO-Pantsu | http://img61.echo.cx/my.php?image=f8p10017181024.jpg |
| 19:34:15 | Coldtoast | all of those are from my Nikon excet the second 2 on the top row |
| 19:34:18 | MO-Pantsu | I always end up sharpening and tweaking them |
| 19:34:20 | Coldtoast | those were with my k700i |
| 19:34:22 | Cassandra | I thought I could chord PLAY and the joystick, but it doesn't seem to work. |
| 19:34:23 | rasher | Hrm, I think it's PLAY and MODE |
| 19:34:30 | rasher | should work |
| 19:34:37 | rasher | solitaire.rock does it |
| 19:34:56 | Cassandra | Maybe it's not working because I'm trying to bind it to long press on PLAY + other key. |
| 19:35:04 | rasher | ah |
| 19:35:07 | rasher | likely |
| 19:35:25 | MO-Pantsu | the 700i seems to do well |
| 19:35:38 | rasher | maybe long press > press+otherkey |
| 19:35:47 | rasher | that is, first detect long press, then look for press+otherkey |
| 19:36:01 | Coldtoast | nah. pic quality isn't very good at all MO-Pantsu. Works with those pix tho cos I processed the crap out of em |
| 19:36:05 | Cassandra | Let me see what I'm doing atm. |
| 19:36:18 | MO-Pantsu | My Kodak does not like detail http://img103.echo.cx/my.php?image=c5w0000044.jpg |
| 19:36:28 | MO-Pantsu | Mushed the hair on this cat |
| 19:36:38 | Coldtoast | yea :) |
| 19:36:57 | Coldtoast | check this out |
| 19:37:06 | Coldtoast | this a guy I know. Same camera as I have |
| 19:37:17 | MO-Pantsu | hah |
| 19:37:17 | Coldtoast | http://www.3dluvr.com/grid/photo/SLAM/Spider51_01__%5B1%5D.jpg |
| 19:37:30 | MO-Pantsu | Paintshop Pro is my friend lol |
| 19:37:38 | Coldtoast | http://www.3dluvr.com/grid/photo/SLAM/grasshopper03__%5B1%5D.jpg |
| 19:37:51 | Coldtoast | http://www.3dluvr.com/grid/photo.htm |
| 19:37:55 | Coldtoast | all with my camera |
| 19:38:00 | Coldtoast | Nikon quality |
| 19:38:01 | MO-Pantsu | cool |
| 19:38:13 | Coldtoast | not my pix but the same camera |
| 19:38:22 | Coldtoast | his stuff is the reason I chose mine :) |
| 19:38:31 | MO-Pantsu | impressive |
| 19:38:41 | MO-Pantsu | knowing how to take great pics is an art though |
| 19:38:46 | Coldtoast | definitely |
| 19:38:49 | Cassandra | Ah, I think I see the problem. |
| 19:38:57 | Coldtoast | I dunno HOW he managed a bunch of the insect pix he took |
| 19:39:17 | Coldtoast | what I should do, actually, is see if his EXIF data is intact |
| 19:39:18 | Cassandra | If you're using something like BUTTON_F2 | BUTTON_LEFT | BUTTON_REPEAT, what is the repeat binding to? |
| 19:39:38 | Cassandra | It shouldn't matter, should it? |
| 19:40:09 | MO-Pantsu | He might use a mono pod pole to steady the shots and then zoom |
| 19:40:10 | kenshin | Can anyone give me a hint where the mpa.codec file is opened? |
| 19:40:30 | MO-Pantsu | or lies :) |
| 19:40:42 | kenshin | I'm going to fix the iRiver simulator but not sure where that file is opened. |
| 19:40:56 | rasher | Cassandra: both, I guess? |
| 19:40:58 | kenshin | That's the last DEBUGF output I see before it crashes. |
| 19:41:37 | MO-Pantsu | to get that water shot requires a long exposure |
| 19:41:56 | MO-Pantsu | and holding the camera steady enough for those rocks not to go blurry.... |
| 19:42:07 | MO-Pantsu | probably set on a rock and set the timer |
| 19:42:42 | MO-Pantsu | or he shopped it ;) |
| 19:42:45 | rasher | Hah, that's a nice idea |
| 19:43:09 | | Join Tiegs [0] (~18e15776@labb.contactor.se) |
| 19:43:28 | Tiegs | hello |
| 19:43:37 | MO-Pantsu | Y HALO THAR |
| 19:43:55 | Tiegs | i found something on EBAY I amy be interested in..wanna take a look for me? |
| 19:44:07 | MO-Pantsu | is it contagious? |
| 19:44:09 | Tiegs | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=48683&item=5783060837&rd=1 |
| 19:44:09 | MO-Pantsu | ;) |
| 19:44:14 | Tiegs | dont think so |
| 19:44:23 | Tiegs | maybe u will get the buying bug tho |
| 19:44:47 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 19:44:49 | Coldtoast | that looks different to chanpagne |
| 19:44:50 | MO-Pantsu | well set your high price and put that as your bid |
| 19:44:52 | Coldtoast | look sodd |
| 19:45:05 | Tiegs | will that work for the gapless rockbox or not ? |
| 19:45:06 | MO-Pantsu | looks almost white :) |
| 19:45:14 | Coldtoast | yeah. never seen that |
| 19:45:22 | Tiegs | originally 1hp100 (not 120) |
| 19:45:29 | Coldtoast | it surely will |
| 19:45:35 | MO-Pantsu | looks like a custom case |
| 19:45:37 | Coldtoast | nah. mine's a iHP-140 |
| 19:45:45 | Coldtoast | which is exactly the same as the H140 |
| 19:45:51 | rasher | ihp-110 is lighter than h120 |
| 19:45:57 | MO-Pantsu | might just be the camera shot though. |
| 19:45:59 | MO-Pantsu | flashback |
| 19:46:02 | Coldtoast | knw why they changed from IHP-1x0 to H1x0 Tiegs? |
| 19:46:21 | Tiegs | why? |
| 19:46:25 | Coldtoast | aaa.! it's not a h120 then |
| 19:46:27 | MO-Pantsu | HP broke away from iRiver association |
| 19:46:37 | rasher | Coldtoast: has a 20gb harddisk though |
| 19:46:48 | Coldtoast | oh yeah |
| 19:46:49 | MO-Pantsu | ask the seller a question |
| 19:46:53 | MO-Pantsu | heh |
| 19:46:56 | Tiegs | i want the gapless tho..so only go for the ihp 120 correct? |
| 19:47:01 | rasher | Compare: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DeviceChart/h110.jpg - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DeviceChart/h120.jpg |
| 19:47:28 | MO-Pantsu | looks like 120 on the case though |
| 19:47:33 | rasher | ihp-110 will work as well, has less RAM for buffer |
| 19:47:35 | Coldtoast | personally, I'd get a real h120 myself |
| 19:47:37 | MO-Pantsu | can just make out the 2 |
| 19:47:41 | Coldtoast | or iHP-120 |
| 19:48:13 | rasher | MO-Pantsu: it's a 110 |
| 19:48:17 | rasher | 100 |
| 19:48:26 | Tiegs | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5783568692&fromMakeTrack=true |
| 19:48:27 | Cassandra | Are there currently any chorded keymappings for iRiver? |
| 19:48:30 | Tiegs | that looks good |
| 19:48:39 | Tiegs | i think i'll go for that one |
| 19:48:51 | rasher | Cassandra: chorded? |
| 19:48:53 | MO-Pantsu | Y HALO THAR http://img121.echo.cx/my.php?image=v8u10004801024.jpg |
| 19:49:04 | Cassandra | Hold down more than one key at once. |
| 19:49:05 | MO-Pantsu | That was a really blurry image I tweaked and shaped |
| 19:49:32 | rasher | Cassandra: as I said, solitaire.rock does it |
| 19:49:37 | rasher | (play+left/right) |
| 19:50:08 | Coldtoast | looks good Tiegs |
| 19:50:32 | MO-Pantsu | note the torso-less person on the right lol |
| 19:51:11 | Coldtoast | heh. that' is a prety horrible camera :) |
| 19:51:13 | MO-Pantsu | surreal :) |
| 19:51:21 | MO-Pantsu | it can be very good |
| 19:51:42 | rasher | (note also that the leather case for ihp-100 is different) |
| 19:51:51 | MO-Pantsu | but it needs lots of light to shine |
| 19:52:01 | MO-Pantsu | hates low light levels |
| 19:52:09 | Coldtoast | so does mine :( |
| 19:52:43 | MO-Pantsu | Me in the middle http://img227.echo.cx/my.php?image=image37ar.jpg |
| 19:53:37 | MO-Pantsu | this image makes me laugh. redeye not withstanding http://img227.echo.cx/my.php?image=image55ve.jpg |
| 19:53:59 | | Join Lear [0] (~chatzilla@h72n7c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) |
| 19:54:10 | MO-Pantsu | her expression on the left and my fathers expression on the right |
| 19:54:15 | MO-Pantsu | haha |
| 19:55:32 | kenshin | MO-Pantsu: still you in the middle? haha |
| 19:55:51 | Coldtoast | no offense MO-Pantsu... |
| 19:55:52 | Sucka | is that british money? :D:D |
| 19:55:57 | MO-Pantsu | err...no and if any pedo's are out there fapping I hope you die :P |
| 19:55:57 | Coldtoast | but know who you look like? |
| 19:56:00 | | Quit Tiegs ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") |
| 19:56:15 | MO-Pantsu | British moola yes |
| 19:56:21 | Coldtoast | You remind me of Bario |
| 19:56:23 | MO-Pantsu | I look like me of course |
| 19:56:25 | Coldtoast | err... Mario |
| 19:56:25 | Cassandra | Which makes more logical sense for the on button? |
| 19:56:33 | Coldtoast | like, Super Mario |
| 19:56:40 | Coldtoast | but thinner |
| 19:56:46 | Cassandra | RESUME on short press, QUICK MENU on long. |
| 19:56:51 | Cassandra | or vice versa? |
| 19:57:06 | Coldtoast | it's the hat and moustache |
| 19:57:25 | rasher | Cassandra: what you said |
| 19:57:27 | MO-Pantsu | I am not a bad British actor playing an Italian pizza maker in a bad movie converted from a game made by Japanese |
| 19:57:36 | Cassandra | *nods* |
| 19:57:40 | Coldtoast | heh |
| 19:57:49 | Coldtoast | man. You're QUITE different to me :) |
| 19:57:56 | MO-Pantsu | I am old |
| 19:57:59 | | Join hardeep [0] (hardeeps@norge.freeshell.org) |
| 19:58:11 | Coldtoast | you'd be, what, 40ish? |
| 19:58:15 | MO-Pantsu | 40 yes |
| 19:59:09 | MO-Pantsu | If I was feeling my age she's be 5.8 with boobs the size of watermelons |
| 19:59:10 | Coldtoast | http://www.glamourimage.com.au/saloon/20112004/pages/IMG_4265.html |
| 19:59:13 | Coldtoast | me at work :) |
| 19:59:14 | MO-Pantsu | she'd |
| 19:59:44 | MO-Pantsu | Bouncer eh? |
| 19:59:49 | Coldtoast | heh. indeed |
| 20:00 |
| 20:00:03 | MO-Pantsu | the only bit that gets a workout on me is my stomach |
| 20:00:09 | MO-Pantsu | internally that is |
| 20:00:12 | Coldtoast | not THAT much younger than you either |
| 20:00:37 | Coldtoast | http://www.3dluvr.com/edan/tmp/Us.jpg |
| 20:00:47 | Lear | Does the iRiver port support FF/RW? I seem to recall doing that a while ago, but when I tried today (using a build from the 22:nd or something), it didn't work. |
| 20:00:51 | MO-Pantsu | wide |
| 20:00:58 | MO-Pantsu | you are wide |
| 20:01:24 | MO-Pantsu | you have a short head :) |
| 20:01:29 | rasher | Lear: for mp3 it should |
| 20:01:34 | Coldtoast | heh. that's the pic. dunno why |
| 20:01:36 | rasher | and wavpack |
| 20:01:39 | Coldtoast | it makes me look wider too |
| 20:01:43 | rasher | and flac |
| 20:01:54 | MO-Pantsu | your neck looks lost |
| 20:01:59 | MO-Pantsu | because of your muscles |
| 20:02:00 | Lear | rasher: I tried mp3 specifically, without success... |
| 20:02:10 | Coldtoast | http://www.3dluvr.com/edan/tmp/Ed1.jpg |
| 20:02:15 | Coldtoast | that's better. more normal |
| 20:02:22 | Coldtoast | I'm 32. only 8years to 40 :/ |
| 20:02:25 | MO-Pantsu | :D |
| 20:02:33 | MO-Pantsu | that pic is not very flattering |
| 20:02:38 | MO-Pantsu | the bouncer one is the best |
| 20:02:42 | Lear | rasher: I didn't expect it to work with Vorbis, but then I don't know how the codecs are informed about the changes... :) |
| 20:02:42 | rasher | Lear: Works for me[tm] |
| 20:02:52 | Coldtoast | haha |
| 20:02:52 | Lear | rasher: on build from today? |
| 20:02:59 | MO-Pantsu | cam whore ;) |
| 20:03:07 | rasher | Lear: Latest bleeding edge, I believe |
| 20:03:25 | rasher | or something close |
| 20:03:32 | Coldtoast | http://www.3dluvr.com/edan/tmp/TwoOfUs.jpg is from about 7 years ago :) |
| 20:04:03 | Coldtoast | damn! 7 years..... |
| 20:04:48 | Lear | rasher: yep, it should (looking at recent code), and I also see how it is done now (roughtly at least). :) |
| 20:05:02 | MO-Pantsu | yeah you have nice breasts |
| 20:05:39 | Coldtoast | that girl's married now |
| 20:06:16 | MO-Pantsu | here's another one of me http://img193.echo.cx/my.php?image=sup4chan3na.jpg |
| 20:06:20 | MO-Pantsu | ;) |
| 20:06:39 | Coldtoast | LOL |
| 20:07:16 | MO-Pantsu | frequent 4chan /b/tard that's me |
| 20:08:10 | MO-Pantsu | 4chan is where the world ends and the colon begins |
| 20:08:36 | MO-Pantsu | never visit without dark shades and a sick bag :) |
| 20:09:29 | MO-Pantsu | that site has twisted me |
| 20:10:47 | MO-Pantsu | anyhow...where was we? oh yeah Rockbox |
| 20:11:50 | Coldtoast | what's that? |
| 20:11:55 | Coldtoast | ohyeah. that thing :P |
| 20:12:52 | rasher | Lear: still works, just compiled a new version |
| 20:13:16 | rasher | both cbr and vbr |
| 20:13:41 | Lear | rasher: guess I'll have to try it then, despite that resample thing I was a bit sceptical about. :) |
| 20:14:27 | MO-Pantsu | Lear what works with what? |
| 20:14:39 | rasher | Seeking in mp3 files |
| 20:14:51 | MO-Pantsu | ah more accurate? |
| 20:15:16 | Lear | No, I currently have a build where it doesn't work at all... |
| 20:15:38 | MO-Pantsu | ah. seeking is fubar still at present |
| 20:17:44 | kenshin | Seeking in MP3 files Works for me[tm] |
| 20:18:23 | MO-Pantsu | kenshin try a gapless album mix. something like a DJ mix and seek to the end of the track. see if it ends too abruptly |
| 20:19:57 | kenshin | no gapless mp3's. i use ogg most of the time. |
| 20:20:12 | MO-Pantsu | well seek does not work for Ogg at all right now |
| 20:20:40 | Lear | mo-pantsu: well, no surprise there, really. :) |
| 20:21:21 | Lear | I've dug deep into Ogg files recently, so I'll try to do something about that... |
| 20:21:36 | kenshin | MO-Pantsu: correct. there's not seek markers in ogg files so seeking is harder. |
| 20:22:50 | MO-Pantsu | seems like rather a large oversight on the ogg devs part |
| 20:24:15 | rasher | Gapless *does* work with ogg though |
| 20:24:23 | rasher | (took me 4 minutes to find out) |
| 20:24:32 | MO-Pantsu | yep |
| 20:25:18 | Lear | mo-pantsu: there are seek markers, only they aren't located in a convenient frame in the beginning of the file. Instead each "ogg page" contains some useful information. |
| 20:26:35 | Lear | Thus, sample-exact seeking is possible, though it might be a little slower sometimes... |
| 20:27:12 | rasher | To allow randomly jumping onto streams, I assume? |
| 20:27:36 | MO-Pantsu | I would like to see accurate MP3 seeking first to be honest |
| 20:27:56 | crwl | when is vorbis seeking slow then? all the players I use can seek vorbis files accurately and instantly as far as i can see |
| 20:28:15 | Lear | rasher: yes, for streaming it is better. |
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| 20:29:13 | rasher | crwl: well "instantly" is different on a 120mhz (max) coldfire processor and a several gigaherz desktop processor |
| 20:29:19 | Lear | crwl: Well, to find the right spot you have to do a bunch of seek and read operations, not just look in a table and extrapolate. |
| 20:31:18 | crwl | Lear, how big a bunch? |
| 20:31:58 | crwl | rasher, well, i recall seeking happening practically instantly also on, say, a pentium 166 |
| 20:32:34 | rasher | pentium 166 is way more powerful though, and ram is faster |
| 20:34:08 | Lear | I don't know really. I suppose you could try to guess the right position and get it right with say 5-10 seeks or so. |
| 20:34:46 | Lear | If you don't try to be clever, somewhere around 15-20. |
| 20:36:30 | Cassandra | Can someone explain to me how prepress keys (eg WPS_PAUSE_PRE) work? |
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| 20:38:22 | crwl | hmm. |
| 20:38:25 | Lear | cassandra: that means the button is pressed down, but not yet released. |
| 20:43:54 | Cassandra | Thanks. |
| 20:55:50 | kenshin | Boy. Fixing this sim crash is turning into quite a task. |
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| 21:12:35 | dionoea | hello ... the rockboxui simulator (recorder) segfaults when loading a plugin (the error is : invalid ELF header) |
| 21:12:41 | dionoea | how can i fix that ? |
| 21:21:38 | dionoea | and the screen in the iriver simulator is commpletly messed up. seems like the width isn't right |
| 21:23:13 | dionoea | ok ... i fixed my first problem (i wasn't using the simulator build rocks) |
| 21:23:40 | rasher | messed up how? also, is this x11 or win32? |
| 21:23:50 | dionoea | x11 |
| 21:23:54 | dionoea | i'll do a screen shot |
| 21:24:06 | rasher | please do |
| 21:25:28 | dionoea | dionoea/iriver-sim.png">http://people.via.ecp.fr/~dionoea/iriver-sim.png |
| 21:25:48 | rasher | oh my |
| 21:26:43 | rasher | Bagder: have a look at 21:26 <dionoea> dionoea/iriver-sim.png">http://people.via.ecp.fr/~dionoea/iriver-sim.png |
| 21:27:02 | * | dionoea 's trying make clean; make just in case |
| 21:27:33 | * | Cassandra sighs and gropes around for the Pin of Reseting +1 |
| 21:27:38 | dionoea | hum ... make clean; make fixed it |
| 21:27:50 | dionoea | it shouldn't have tried both iriver sims in the same dir ... |
| 21:27:52 | * | dionoea hides |
| 21:28:17 | rasher | Bagder: nevermind, error at keyboard |
| 21:28:29 | Coldtoast | error betwen keyboard and chair |
| 21:30:49 | dionoea | wow ! the iriver screen really is bigger than the recorder's |
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| 21:31:41 | Tiegs | hello |
| 21:32:00 | rasher | dionoea: a lot |
| 21:32:35 | Tiegs | so i am getting an iHP120 - can someone tell me what to download? I went to download page and don't know where to start - I want to be able to do gapless |
| 21:33:01 | rasher | rockbox has not yet been officially released for iriver yet |
| 21:33:27 | rasher | try reading this page rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverPortForNoobs |
| 21:33:38 | rasher | http://rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverPortForNoobs |
| 21:33:45 | Tiegs | i read that but am confused as to what to d/l |
| 21:33:56 | Tiegs | i was in just a while ago talking to you guys |
| 21:34:03 | Tiegs | re: which iriver player to get |
| 21:34:22 | Cassandra | OK. Strangeness. PAUSE works immediately on button down, but the WPS only updates on release of the button. Can someone explain this behaviour? |
| 21:35:09 | rasher | Tiegs: read http://rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot for information on how to install |
| 21:35:10 | Cassandra | This makes bugger all sense given the code in wps.c |
| 21:35:36 | Tiegs | thanks rasher |
| 21:36:01 | Coldtoast | do this on Windows: download roickbox and unzip onto iriver so in teh root of the iriver you have .rockbox and .rockbox.iriver. download firmware. download fwpatcher. run fwpatcher on firmware (this merges teh bootloader with the firmware). flash this new firmware |
| 21:36:12 | Coldtoast | then boot the h120 |
| 21:36:47 | rasher | Cassandra: updates before release for me |
| 21:37:02 | rasher | just not instant |
| 21:37:12 | rasher | takes half a second or so |
| 21:37:17 | Cassandra | *nods* That's possible. |
| 21:37:41 | Cassandra | I'm getting the quick menu if I hold down for a long time. |
| 21:37:42 | rasher | I guess the wps doesn't update as fast |
| 21:37:59 | rasher | Cassandra: hurray |
| 21:38:03 | Coldtoast | man. one of my friends has a h340 and he's dropping by this week. will see what he thinks of my h140 running rockbox |
| 21:38:56 | dionoea | is the iriver the only one to have a bigger screen than the recorder ? |
| 21:39:15 | Slasheri | now i will commit.. :D |
| 21:39:16 | Tiegs | thnx coldtoast |
| 21:39:19 | Tiegs | taking notes |
| 21:39:26 | rasher | dionoea: I think gmini does as well |
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| 21:39:43 | rasher | dionoea: why are you using the date for the srand call in solitaire? |
| 21:39:45 | Coldtoast | Tiegs: that last page rasher posted has all the info tho |
| 21:39:50 | Moos | Slasheri: Wonderfull :) :) |
| 21:39:50 | Coldtoast | so have a good read of that |
| 21:40:01 | dionoea | rasher: i don't know. seemed logical to use something that changed |
| 21:40:03 | Coldtoast | so you won the auction for the 120 then? |
| 21:40:19 | dionoea | rasher: what else could i use ? |
| 21:40:33 | rasher | dionoea: *rb->current_tick |
| 21:40:39 | dionoea | oh :p |
| 21:40:46 | dionoea | i'll change that ... |
| 21:40:49 | rasher | not sure what the date does on iriver.. |
| 21:40:53 | Tiegs | no..i found a friend who has THREE, he is getting the 340 media player one and is letting go of one of his others (i requested the 120) |
| 21:40:57 | rasher | or other rtc-less things |
| 21:41:10 | Coldtoast | ah nice. good price? |
| 21:41:19 | Coldtoast | did he give you "mates rates"? |
| 21:41:26 | Coldtoast | there's an Aussie term for you. heh |
| 21:41:56 | rasher | Coldtoast: I'm beginning to believe you should do an aussie translation |
| 21:42:16 | Coldtoast | haha |
| 21:42:28 | Coldtoast | that's be funny as hell actually! use all slang terms |
| 21:43:15 | Coldtoast | should do a hax0r translation |
| 21:43:21 | Coldtoast | just for fun |
| 21:43:29 | rasher | horrible |
| 21:43:40 | Tiegs | price is decent i guess |
| 21:44:10 | rasher | What we really need, is a klingon translation |
| 21:44:15 | Coldtoast | pr3v n3x7 p14y1i57 |
| 21:44:23 | Cassandra | Woohoo! Working quick menu! |
| 21:44:32 | rasher | Cassandra: Commit commit commit! |
| 21:44:46 | Cassandra | Let me just regression test on the Archos. |
| 21:44:48 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:45:01 | Coldtoast | I'm goingto book in for a sexchange and have all your babies |
| 21:45:08 | rasher | that's no fun |
| 21:45:09 | Tiegs | hey i know some Aussie terms |
| 21:45:18 | Cassandra | Erm, but ... |
| 21:45:30 | Tiegs | I am not a bevin, nor a Westie and I do not have the "puberty blues" |
| 21:45:41 | Coldtoast | oh dear |
| 21:45:49 | Tiegs | hahaha |
| 21:46:17 | Coldtoast | heh. the word "thong" means something COMPLETELY different here in Australia |
| 21:46:33 | Coldtoast | here a thong is footwear. in the US it's arsewear |
| 21:46:58 | rasher | arsewear.. now there's a word you don't (want to) hear every day |
| 21:47:10 | Tiegs | so the .HEX file is the first file i need? |
| 21:47:23 | rasher | correct |
| 21:47:41 | Tiegs | cool, thanks |
| 21:47:59 | Coldtoast | the fwpatcher methos is the easiest to merge the bootloader |
| 21:48:16 | Coldtoast | it's so cold I can't type properly |
| 21:48:48 | Cassandra | Hmm. Can you nest #if statements? |
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| 21:48:52 | kenshin | footwear "thongs" are called "thongs" (northern US), "flip-flops" (southern US), or "slippers" (Hawaii). |
| 21:48:58 | rasher | Cassandra: yup |
| 21:48:59 | Cassandra | I'm guessing the answer is "no" |
| 21:49:04 | Cassandra | OK. Weird. |
| 21:49:07 | kenshin | Cassandra: yes. |
| 21:49:08 | Coldtoast | oh? so they DO call em thongs in the us? wow! |
| 21:49:20 | Coldtoast | thought all US ppl called g-strings thongs |
| 21:49:31 | Tiegs | I am from New England and we say thongs |
| 21:49:32 | Cassandra | Ah missing : |
| 21:49:34 | kenshin | that's the other "thong". |
| 21:49:38 | Coldtoast | cool! |
| 21:49:39 | Cassandra | Never mind |
| 21:49:59 | Tiegs | so when do i use that daily .TAR file? |
| 21:50:15 | Coldtoast | you on Windows Tiegs? |
| 21:50:16 | Tiegs | i CANNOT let my 120 become unusable |
| 21:50:22 | Tiegs | yes XP Home |
| 21:50:31 | Tiegs | just trying to follow that page. |
| 21:50:46 | Coldtoast | http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml |
| 21:50:49 | Tiegs | the .HEX, the patch, then it talks about the daily update (??) |
| 21:50:56 | Coldtoast | try that page for dily builds and bleedign edge |
| 21:51:18 | Tiegs | i want the one on the far right correct? |
| 21:51:44 | Coldtoast | you need the "iriver h1x0" bleedign edge or the h100 daily |
| 21:52:12 | rasher | http://www.rockbox.org/daily/h100/rockbox-h100-20050626.zip - or http://www.rockbox.org/auto/build-h100/rockbox.zip |
| 21:52:29 | Coldtoast | yeah. download and unzip straight to the iriver |
| 21:52:49 | Coldtoast | so your iriver will have a .rockbox directory and file called rockbox.iriver |
| 21:53:24 | Coldtoast | understand? |
| 21:54:01 | Tiegs | i think so |
| 21:54:14 | Tiegs | is either of rashers links ok? |
| 21:54:29 | rasher | the last one is slightly newer |
| 21:54:34 | Tiegs | thanks |
| 21:54:54 | Coldtoast | the last bleeding edge of the day becomes the new daily build, right? |
| 21:55:01 | Tiegs | those are not just for the 100 ? |
| 21:55:04 | rasher | Correct |
| 21:55:07 | rasher | Tiegs: they are |
| 21:55:18 | Tiegs | what about 120? thats what i ned |
| 21:55:23 | Coldtoast | it's the h100 SERIES Tiegs |
| 21:55:28 | rasher | ouch, boost ratio of 80% with a 128kbit mp2 |
| 21:55:30 | Tiegs | ok..im sorry |
| 21:55:36 | Coldtoast | no need to be sorry |
| 21:55:50 | Tiegs | i was thinking model, like that 100 i saw on auction that had a larger HD put in |
| 21:55:59 | Tiegs | ok..don't want to be bugging u guys |
| 21:56:04 | Coldtoast | better to get it absolutely clear in your head before you do anything really |
| 21:56:07 | Tiegs | just dont want to F up my machine |
| 21:56:29 | Coldtoast | have a good read of the page rasher posted earlier |
| 21:56:44 | Coldtoast | (rasher): Tiegs: read http://rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot for information on how to install |
| 21:57:19 | rasher | Slasheri: when is the next song info available? |
| 21:57:28 | Coldtoast | do you think there's any chance you'd be able to stop the HDD spinning when connected to USB? |
| 21:57:45 | Slasheri | rasher: after first parts of next track are buffered |
| 21:57:49 | rasher | Coldtoast: Probably, amiconn was talking about putting the hdd into powersafe mode before entering usb mode |
| 21:57:56 | Slasheri | rasher: but it's possible to read metadata without buffering tracks |
| 21:58:03 | Slasheri | that should be done in the future.. |
| 21:58:08 | Coldtoast | cool. I had no idea it did that til he mentioned it the other day |
| 21:58:10 | rasher | Slasheri: sometimes it never appears |
| 21:58:17 | Slasheri | hmm, weird |
| 21:58:37 | rasher | and sometimes it appears right at the beginning of the track |
| 21:59:29 | Moos | Slasheri: yellow build |
| 21:59:31 | rasher | (I have a line with just the filename, as well as a more complicated format, and the filename is not available sometimes) |
| 21:59:36 | Cassandra | Anyone here with an Archos recorder (pref. v2) |
| 21:59:57 | Slasheri | Moos: oh, fixing that |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:04 | Slasheri | my compiler didn't give any warnings.. |
| 22:00:13 | Coldtoast | heh |
| 22:00:29 | Moos | :) great work |
| 22:01:01 | Tiegs | ok thanks for all your patience and heklp guys |
| 22:01:14 | Tiegs | COLDTOAST- are you in here a lot? |
| 22:01:15 | Coldtoast | no probs. I bet you love the h120 |
| 22:01:27 | Coldtoast | yeah. I am now |
| 22:01:38 | Tiegs | i may come in and ask u for step by step when i get it :) |
| 22:01:46 | Coldtoast | but I'm just a layman user |
| 22:02:05 | Tiegs | i just hate seeing all those warnings...has rockbox crapped out any 120's u know of? |
| 22:02:12 | rasher | No. |
| 22:02:17 | rasher | Not a single one. |
| 22:02:20 | rasher | (yet) |
| 22:02:21 | Tiegs | thnx rasher |
| 22:02:42 | Coldtoast | ther ehave been quite a few iriver HDD based player failures |
| 22:02:50 | Coldtoast | all with the iriver firmware |
| 22:02:52 | Tiegs | i saw an awesome chrome and silver one in completed listings on EBAY |
| 22:02:57 | * | rasher listens to 32kHz mp3 |
| 22:03:09 | rasher | Coldtoast: how so? |
| 22:03:14 | Coldtoast | not COS of the firmware (probably) but before rockbox was being ported |
| 22:03:34 | Coldtoast | so any failures aren't firmware related |
| 22:03:41 | rasher | Oh, so the players wouldn't boot because of broken harddisk layouts? |
| 22:03:46 | Tiegs | what bitrate do you guys generally use for music on a 20G device? |
| 22:04:04 | Coldtoast | rasher: the friewnd of mine with the h340 |
| 22:04:07 | Coldtoast | his got bricked |
| 22:04:23 | Coldtoast | within 2 days of him getting it too |
| 22:04:40 | rasher | Coldtoast: Wouldn't boot, showing "read file system"? |
| 22:04:49 | Coldtoast | no idea what really happened but it was when he decided to try out the DB stuff |
| 22:04:53 | Coldtoast | yep |
| 22:05:11 | Coldtoast | he sent it back and had it replaced |
| 22:05:11 | rasher | Tiegs: The ones I encode myself are -q3 oggs (about 100kbps) |
| 22:05:19 | Coldtoast | why's that rasher? |
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| 22:05:41 | Cassandra | Ah, ami. Just the man. You have a recorder v1 or v2, don't you? |
| 22:05:50 | rasher | This is due to stupidity on iriver's side.. had they just done a usb-connected check before initialising the harddisk, such failures could've been recovered |
| 22:05:51 | Coldtoast | he generated a db, enabled db mode, powered off, powered on and it stuck at "Read file system" |
| 22:05:57 | kenshin | Tiegs: i almost always use -q7 oggs (224kbps) |
| 22:06:15 | rasher | Well, the harddisk contents or partition table was probably slightly broken |
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| 22:06:32 | preglow | baah |
| 22:06:34 | Coldtoast | ok. he's never enabled DB mode since then. not withthe new player |
| 22:06:42 | Tiegs | you guys all use Vog rather than MP3 ? |
| 22:06:43 | rasher | And since iriver reads the ENTIRE harddisk during boot, it can't cope with broken drives |
| 22:06:53 | Coldtoast | damn |
| 22:07:03 | rasher | Coldtoast: he should install rockbox bootloader v2 - has usb-mode before touching the harddisk |
| 22:07:12 | amiconn | Cassandra: Recorder 80 (v1), Studio 10, Ondio SP, and iriver H-140 |
| 22:07:12 | preglow | Slasheri: woooot |
| 22:07:14 | Coldtoast | he has a h340 tho |
| 22:07:18 | rasher | ah |
| 22:07:22 | Tiegs | i simply want to load albums from CD drive and then also some MP3 files, but GAPLESS |
| 22:07:31 | Coldtoast | and it's sounding like he's goingto dump the 340 |
| 22:07:42 | preglow | Slasheri: you have any idea _why_ it only works with mp3? |
| 22:07:45 | Coldtoast | he's really not happy with the iriver firmware |
| 22:07:58 | Tiegs | is there a gapless mode? once gapless is enabled does it play EVERYTHING gapless? |
| 22:08:10 | Coldtoast | he thinks it feels like "cheap Asian rubbish" heh |
| 22:08:14 | Cassandra | Can you try something for me. Hold down F2 and UP arrow at the same time. Press down arrow a couple of times. Tell me if you get either the USB screen or the screen flips. |
| 22:08:23 | rasher | Tiegs: things play gapless if possible, there's no setting |
| 22:08:33 | Tiegs | i wouldnt want normal non-gapless LP's to play w/out gaps//just the albums that run tracks together |
| 22:08:38 | Cassandra | (while holding down F2 and UP) |
| 22:09:12 | Coldtoast | rasher: when he comes over this week, I'll show him my h140 running Rockbox and see what he thinks tho. Cos he MAY decide to hold out |
| 22:09:31 | dionoea | the gmini doesn't have plugins ? |
| 22:09:49 | Cassandra | Gmini doesn't really work yet. |
| 22:09:55 | dionoea | ok |
| 22:09:58 | rasher | dionoea: calmrisc making it very hard |
| 22:10:02 | Cassandra | Not even in the same way iRiver does. |
| 22:10:26 | Tiegs | rasher - what do you you mean "if possible"? |
| 22:10:34 | amiconn | Cassandra: Seems so. (Screen flipped) |
| 22:10:38 | Coldtoast | rasher: so using Rockbox will mean less likelihood of bricking a player do you think? |
| 22:10:43 | Coldtoast | could you make that claim? heh |
| 22:10:45 | Tiegs | is it how i load them? if i have individual files |
| 22:10:49 | rasher | Coldtoast: sure could |
| 22:10:54 | amiconn | My interpretation is that F2+Up sometimes reads as F3 |
| 22:10:59 | Cassandra | Right. Good. That means it's not my new code that's doing it, and I can commit it safely. |
| 22:11:02 | amiconn | (F3+down == flip) |
| 22:11:02 | Cassandra | *grins* |
| 22:11:05 | Coldtoast | cos that's a hell of a selling point :) |
| 22:11:42 | amiconn | Cassandra: I just noticed there's some weirdness with the strings in the F2 menu |
| 22:11:57 | amiconn | (maybe it's only a prob of the german translation) |
| 22:11:59 | Slasheri | preglow: hi, i was going to ask that from you if you had any ideas :) if you can, please test and fix it ;) |
| 22:12:31 | amiconn | Cassandra: It's indeed a german translation problem |
| 22:12:36 | Slasheri | you will find the output is very noisy if you try to resample other than mp3 files.. :/ |
| 22:12:37 | Cassandra | Ah, right. |
| 22:12:59 | Cassandra | Not commited any changes yet, ami, so anything wrong currently is not my fault. |
| 22:13:01 | rasher | Tiegs: The files will be played without inserting additional gaps than what was already there |
| 22:13:14 | amiconn | Cassandra: yes, obviously |
| 22:13:16 | Tiegs | ok..got it..thanks rasher |
| 22:13:19 | Cassandra | However, I'm about to commit context menu for iRiver. |
| 22:13:27 | amiconn | Cassandra: What do you have in store? |
| 22:13:30 | Tiegs | what about if i have a bunch of individual files? |
| 22:13:34 | Cassandra | Quick menu I mean |
| 22:13:43 | Tiegs | let me show u what i mean.. |
| 22:14:11 | Coldtoast | heh. I want to try these new bleedign edge builds but you guys keep committing :) |
| 22:14:42 | Tiegs | http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=12060 |
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| 22:15:27 | rasher | Coldtoast: You will not get bricked players hung at "Read file system" if you have rockbox bootloader installed - you don't even need to run rockbox |
| 22:15:28 | Tiegs | i want to download something like that..(several files) and let them play w no gaps |
| 22:15:51 | Coldtoast | oh really? ok |
| 22:16:18 | LinusN | i want to replace the "quick screens" with popup menus |
| 22:16:44 | Cassandra | Why Linus? |
| 22:17:02 | Cassandra | I think that would be slower. |
| 22:17:10 | LinusN | the quick screens use up a lot of screen estate, and they are limited to 3-4 options |
| 22:17:14 | rasher | Coldtoast: http://www.misticriver.net/boards/showpost.php?p=232520&postcount=119 |
| 22:17:53 | LinusN | yes, a menu is slower, but it allows more options, and the strings are easier to translate |
| 22:18:04 | Cassandra | I think even a popup menu would take up a lot of screen real estate. |
| 22:18:48 | Cassandra | Easier to translate? How so? |
| 22:18:50 | LinusN | yes, it will take up the entire screen, but the strings can be full length |
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| 22:19:05 | Coldtoast | aaaah!!! |
| 22:19:10 | rasher | "full length" meanning "infinite" |
| 22:19:13 | Coldtoast | didn't even think of that! |
| 22:19:20 | Coldtoast | that's REALLY awesome! |
| 22:19:24 | LinusN | today, some of the options have two LANG_ entries |
| 22:19:31 | Cassandra | *nods* |
| 22:19:33 | LinusN | (iirc) |
| 22:19:54 | Cassandra | Right. People who were wanting to try out iRiver quick menu, it's in CVS now. |
| 22:20:29 | LinusN | Cassandra: short Play in the browser? |
| 22:20:35 | Cassandra | Long play. |
| 22:20:41 | Cassandra | Short is still resume. |
| 22:20:48 | * | LinusN cleans his glasses |
| 22:21:03 | Coldtoast | can you make hitting play on the remote boot rockbox instead of the iriver firmware? that's how I usually turn min eon |
| 22:21:06 | Coldtoast | and I keep forgetting |
| 22:21:21 | preglow | Slasheri: no time, sorry |
| 22:21:35 | rasher | Yeah, I think it's about time the button configuration for the bootloader is changed |
| 22:21:53 | Cassandra | I'd like that too, but it's Linus' baby. |
| 22:22:07 | LinusN | i think so too |
| 22:22:13 | Coldtoast | yay |
| 22:22:44 | tucoz | Tiegs: if you would like to play an album like that gapless, just download the oggs and use rockbox, and you will be just fine |
| 22:22:56 | Cassandra | afk for a few while I vacuum my living room. (what an exciting life I lead.) |
| 22:23:10 | rasher | Haven't used the original firmware for weeks |
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| 22:24:13 | Tiegs | thanks rasher |
| 22:24:14 | preglow | Slasheri: well, what happens if you try using the other codecs with some file that needs resampling? |
| 22:24:23 | tucoz | me neither. The file browser is just plain ugly and unusable |
| 22:24:52 | Tiegs | rasher- it won't work w MP3? I'm thinking space here |
| 22:25:01 | tucoz | Is it like 6 characters and, 6 rows or something |
| 22:25:14 | Coldtoast | yeah. MASSIVE |
| 22:25:36 | tucoz | Tiegs: if the mp3's are encoded properly with lame, they should be fine |
| 22:26:01 | Coldtoast | might be cool to put a "how to" up somewhere? |
| 22:26:09 | tucoz | Tiegs: But remember, you can have a lot of files on 20 gb disk |
| 22:26:15 | Coldtoast | on creating good gapless palyback using LAME |
| 22:26:25 | rasher | already exists |
| 22:26:33 | Coldtoast | oh. good-oh |
| 22:26:39 | rasher | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GaplessHowTo |
| 22:27:06 | tucoz | Tiegs: But I guess the live recordings from archive are just fine. I can try a couple of tracks for you |
| 22:27:12 | Slasheri | preglow: the resampling itself "works" but there is very loud background noise |
| 22:27:33 | Tiegs | thanks tucoz−−grateful dead ones if you wouldnt mind |
| 22:27:50 | Tiegs | http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=12060 |
| 22:28:24 | Tiegs | try that and download chinacat and "i know u rider"..thats 2 songs that transition |
| 22:28:24 | tucoz | yep, downloading the first and second mp3 from that right now VBR mp3s |
| 22:28:30 | Tiegs | oh ok |
| 22:28:49 | Coldtoast | does gapless still cut off a few frames? |
| 22:29:31 | Tiegs | wow the VBR are larger than the OGGs |
| 22:29:50 | Tiegs | i dont want the 64 MP3s, I guess I can do OGG |
| 22:30:11 | preglow | oh |
| 22:30:15 | MO-Pantsu | Ogg is seamless no problem but no seeking at present |
| 22:30:20 | preglow | ok, i'll give a quick spin |
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| 22:32:39 | crashd | here you go http://www.scribbleninja.org.uk/iriver/BL_H10.html that's from 2feec through 30048, if you need any more gimme a shout, or bust open IDA, but you'll have to do it in small chunks skipping 0xf8ec as that seems to bone IDA |
| 22:32:47 | crashd | erk. |
| 22:32:51 | crashd | sorry guys ¬)¬ |
| 22:33:03 | preglow | ahahha |
| 22:33:06 | preglow | what the hell is this |
| 22:33:08 | crashd | quiet you ;) |
| 22:33:13 | preglow | not talking to you |
| 22:33:17 | preglow | talking about vorbis resampling |
| 22:33:17 | preglow | heh |
| 22:33:21 | crashd | dude |
| 22:33:22 | Cassandra | AFAIK the MP3 codec occasionally clips tracks just before the end. I have no idea why. This gives the appearance of substandard gapless support. |
| 22:33:38 | Slasheri | preglow: Hmm :D |
| 22:33:39 | Coldtoast | ok |
| 22:33:44 | preglow | Slasheri: damn, it even gives a I00 after a while |
| 22:33:46 | Slasheri | found anything? |
| 22:33:51 | Slasheri | oh.. |
| 22:33:58 | preglow | this is not the noise i expected at all |
| 22:33:59 | Slasheri | what samplerate did you try? |
| 22:34:03 | preglow | 48 |
| 22:34:07 | Slasheri | The buffer sizes might be too small |
| 22:34:13 | Slasheri | ah, shouldn't do that.. |
| 22:34:16 | preglow | no |
| 22:34:19 | preglow | not for 48khz |
| 22:35:14 | tucoz | Ok, Tiegs. Listening right now |
| 22:35:34 | Tiegs | cool |
| 22:35:37 | tucoz | Didn't notice that your track suggestions |
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| 22:36:09 | Tiegs | thats ok..u may be listening to "songs" tho, that will have a break in the original source, just so long as the file playback is gapless thats cool |
| 22:36:17 | Coldtoast | lots of yellow builds |
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| 22:37:39 | Coldtoast | err.. this might be a silly question. but why in the yellow builds is ther a red warning? |
| 22:38:11 | preglow | crashd: isn't that our good old h10 firmware decrypter? |
| 22:38:16 | amiconn | Coldtoast: These scripts are far from perfect |
| 22:38:17 | crashd | preglow: yer |
| 22:38:20 | Coldtoast | ok |
| 22:38:34 | crashd | only, im fairly sure you dont need to worry about the fact it uses thumb |
| 22:38:37 | LinusN | Coldtoast: it's the log parser that can't see the difference |
| 22:38:44 | crashd | t |
| 22:38:44 | Coldtoast | cool |
| 22:38:54 | crashd | christ, my keyboard skilsls are lacking tonigt |
| 22:39:18 | tucoz | Tiegs: it's gapless allright, just a tiny tiny 'glitch' on track transition |
| 22:39:18 | mborus | Hi, just posted some bleeding edge buffering tests of 48 kHz mp2 files to the mailing lists. Works great for 128k, for 192k and above there's so much buffering that the unit gets hot. |
| 22:39:21 | preglow | Slasheri: there's gotte be some scaling inconsisteny somewhere, the crashing surprised me, though, might be several problems |
| 22:39:42 | tucoz | anyway, just download the oggs, they are gapless anyway |
| 22:39:52 | tucoz | and as you said, smaller in size |
| 22:39:59 | preglow | crashd: how come? to me it looks like the part of the code that actually calls the decrypter is in thumb code, and we need to see how it's called |
| 22:40:02 | tucoz | But, if you rip your |
| 22:40:18 | tucoz | 'e own music you can get mp3's gapless as well |
| 22:40:21 | Slasheri | preglow: Hmm, very possible. I will look it more tomorrow :) |
| 22:40:27 | Coldtoast | hey. does the iriver firmware give gapless .ogg? |
| 22:40:31 | rasher | No. |
| 22:40:32 | tucoz | i.e. be certain of the results |
| 22:40:33 | preglow | i simply don't have time to look at it now, sorry |
| 22:40:42 | crashd | preglow: yeah, the function that calls the decrypter probably is in thumb, but the first thing it seems to do when it hits the function is stash the registers and then load them with some data from elsewhere in the firmware |
| 22:40:42 | preglow | and wont have time until friday |
| 22:40:47 | Tiegs | what is the glitch ? can you tell if it is from the orig (a track break may have been inserted where the tape cuts) or is it in the file transition? |
| 22:40:49 | Slasheri | preglow: np :) |
| 22:40:51 | crashd | and it doesnt bx back to thumb till the very end of the function |
| 22:41:06 | Cassandra | Could someone explain the reason for the current yellow builds to me? I'm flummoxed. |
| 22:41:12 | tucoz | Tiegs. i'll just download the oggs and listen to them |
| 22:41:14 | preglow | i know, but that leaves us without the knowledge of how large blocks it's used for |
| 22:41:14 | amiconn | LinusN: I hope you noticed today's fix for archos remote play-pause. |
| 22:41:21 | preglow | and where it stores checksums |
| 22:41:35 | Tiegs | thanks- try chincat sunflower and i know you rider..about 7 or 8 tunes down the list |
| 22:41:39 | crashd | well, there is problems, but this code snippet was just supposed to be for someone to take a look at |
| 22:41:46 | amiconn | We should be very careful about button handling regarding the many platform we support now |
| 22:41:51 | rasher | Wow, resmpling oggs sure sounds mad |
| 22:41:54 | * | crashd sobs |
| 22:41:56 | preglow | crashd: have a look at and do what? |
| 22:41:57 | Cassandra | It's messy. I agree. |
| 22:42:06 | crashd | preglow: just a friend who studied encryption at uni |
| 22:42:10 | preglow | ahh |
| 22:42:10 | crashd | he said he might be able to recognise it |
| 22:42:14 | crashd | out.on.a.limb |
| 22:42:15 | crashd | really |
| 22:42:23 | preglow | well, doesn't really matter what it is |
| 22:42:25 | preglow | it's trivial to recode to c |
| 22:42:39 | amiconn | Cassandra: *All* sims are yellow... |
| 22:42:48 | tucoz | downloaded those tracks. i'll take some time, as I can not ff with oggs |
| 22:42:49 | Bagder | Cassandra: config.h probably isn't included before this |
| 22:43:03 | tucoz | but that will be possible in some time |
| 22:43:03 | Bagder | making both #if lines true |
| 22:43:06 | Cassandra | Yep. It seems to be including code for both platforms when I'd expect neither to be compiled in. |
| 22:43:19 | Tiegs | ok, thnx |
| 22:43:19 | preglow | Slasheri: still, nice work, that framework was badly needed |
| 22:43:45 | Slasheri | preglow: tnx, it was quite hard to figure out how to implement the dsp :) |
| 22:43:52 | Cassandra | Badger. Thanks. I need to fix stubs.c then? |
| 22:44:19 | * | amiconn can't concentrate to work on new gfx lcd_bitmap() :-/ |
| 22:44:20 | Bagder | Cassandra: I'd add an #include in the screens.h itself |
| 22:44:32 | Moos | Slasheri: congratulations again :) |
| 22:44:36 | tucoz | Tiegs: I'll let you know in 5 minutes :) |
| 22:45:54 | | Part LinusN |
| 22:46:27 | t0mas | bye everybody :) |
| 22:46:34 | t0mas | see you in a week... |
| 22:46:36 | Coldtoast | bye |
| 22:46:38 | amiconn | Quick question: Should the iriver remote |<< and >>| controls allow to rew/ffwd in additon to skipping forward/back the same way as the joystick does? |
| 22:46:38 | Slasheri | nights :) |
| 22:46:55 | t0mas | amiconn: yes, I thinks so |
| 22:46:59 | t0mas | same problem as with the volume? |
| 22:47:00 | rasher | amiconn: I believe so |
| 22:47:01 | Coldtoast | amiconn: the way the iriver firmware has it? |
| 22:47:04 | t0mas | (i fixed that some time ago) |
| 22:47:20 | amiconn | Coldtoast: I don't know what the iriver firmware does |
| 22:47:33 | amiconn | t0mas: No, different problem |
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| 22:47:44 | Coldtoast | you flick in the direction you want to skip and it skips or hold and it cues/reviews |
| 22:48:00 | amiconn | Coldtoast: Yes, that's what I mean |
| 22:48:01 | Coldtoast | I like that |
| 22:48:12 | Coldtoast | yep. I'd like it like that |
| 22:48:17 | amiconn | It's currently not done that way in rockbox, but it shouldn't be hard |
| 22:48:34 | amiconn | I'll add that |
| 22:48:43 | rasher | the joystick does that doesn't it? |
| 22:48:53 | amiconn | It does |
| 22:49:01 | rasher | only makes sense then |
| 22:49:39 | amiconn | Some WPS_RC_*_PRE handling is due again... |
| 22:50:15 | tucoz | Tiegs: Rest asure, that transition went totally smooth |
| 22:51:26 | Tiegs | awesome..so no "glitch" |
| 22:51:35 | Tiegs | u saw it go from track to track ? |
| 22:51:40 | Cassandra | Erm, why am I missing some X11 include files. I don't seem to be able to build the sim locally. |
| 22:51:46 | Cassandra | It used to work. |
| 22:51:46 | Tiegs | and that was in OGG format? |
| 22:52:06 | tucoz | No, no glith, and I looked at the display and _saw_ the track change |
| 22:52:07 | Cassandra | screenhack.h:28:22: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory |
| 22:52:07 | Cassandra | screenhack.h:29:27: X11/Xresource.h: No such file or directory |
| 22:52:07 | Cassandra | screenhack.h:31:27: X11/Intrinsic.h: No such file or directory |
| 22:52:10 | tucoz | yes ogg |
| 22:52:18 | Tiegs | tucoz..thanks so much |
| 22:52:22 | Cassandra | Any idea what needs to be installed that isn't? |
| 22:52:58 | Tiegs | rasher, tucoz, toast - thanks to all. i will be back when i get famniliar w this or have q's installing the box |
| 22:53:05 | tucoz | remeber, the rockbox port of iriver is in development. Still, I use it on a daily basis |
| 22:53:23 | Bagder | Cassandra: does it find _any_ x11 headers? |
| 22:53:31 | rasher | Cassandra: package called libxt-dev here (Debian) |
| 22:53:40 | Cassandra | Thanks rasher |
| 22:53:51 | rasher | and libx11-dev |
| 22:54:40 | preglow | Slasheri: if you're still awake, what codec types have you tested? |
| 22:54:49 | tucoz | Tiegs: do so. When do you get your player? |
| 22:56:34 | Coldtoast | no probs |
| 22:56:49 | Cassandra | Sometimes Debian can be a right pig |
| 22:56:50 | Coldtoast | get decent earphones too! |
| 22:56:52 | Coldtoast | :) |
| 22:57:18 | Coldtoast | I really wish I still had the phones that came with mine actually. I liked em |
| 22:57:21 | rasher | Cassandra: packages.debian.org is your friend (or dpkg -S filename if you have a box where it's working) |
| 22:57:35 | tucoz | Coldtoast: call that decent, eh? |
| 22:57:49 | Coldtoast | nah. but they're better then the ones I use now |
| 22:57:54 | Slasheri | preglow: mp3 and vorbis only |
| 22:58:00 | preglow | mhm |
| 22:58:03 | Coldtoast | BUT mine came wish senns |
| 22:58:05 | preglow | do you know vorbis outputs 16 bit shorts? |
| 22:58:11 | preglow | not longs |
| 22:58:13 | Slasheri | preglow: you can try to change the samplerate directly from the codec also to test |
| 22:58:18 | rasher | Bagder: Fun project for you: auto-generate fonts/index.shtml |
| 22:58:22 | Slasheri | yes, 16 bits |
| 22:58:25 | preglow | ok |
| 22:58:32 | Slasheri | dsp scales that up to 32 bits |
| 22:58:39 | tucoz | heeh, I have a bunch of old phones that I got with various portable players. Never used one of them |
| 22:58:40 | rasher | Bagder: or if that's already happening, update it |
| 22:58:43 | Bagder | rasher: its already semi-done, as the page is generated |
| 22:58:46 | Slasheri | i don't know if that scaling is done by right way |
| 22:59:17 | Bagder | rasher: anything in particular that is wrong? |
| 22:59:21 | Cassandra | rasher: I use ubuntu. :) |
| 22:59:23 | rasher | Bagder: snap is missing |
| 22:59:36 | rasher | Cassandra: wellthen: packages.ubuntu.org |
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| 23:00:38 | preglow | Slasheri: how do i do that? |
| 23:01:04 | kenshin | Cassandra: try libx11-dev |
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| 23:01:24 | Cassandra | Already got there thanks kenshin |
| 23:01:39 | LinusN | preglow, Slasheri: is the playback sound quality so-so at the moment? |
| 23:01:52 | kenshin | Cassandra: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages is your best Debian friend! ;) |
| 23:02:17 | ghode|afk | kenshin scroll up ;p |
| 23:02:17 | Slasheri | LinusN: Hi, hmm for what codecs? |
| 23:02:18 | rasher | LinusN: only for non-mp3s that need resampling |
| 23:02:23 | preglow | LinusN: you mean codec wise or with preprocessing? |
| 23:02:27 | preglow | ehh |
| 23:02:29 | preglow | postprocessing |
| 23:02:29 | LinusN | i'm going on a trip with no possibility to update |
| 23:02:51 | preglow | well, i have had no possibility to test for several days |
| 23:03:03 | preglow | as it is, it seems to be ok, if you stick to 44.1khz |
| 23:03:04 | preglow | or mp3s |
| 23:03:08 | Slasheri | LinusN: the quality should not be worse with other codecs if you are listening to 44.1 kHz files only (with mp3 any samplerate) |
| 23:03:37 | Slasheri | however, mp3 has now dithering enabled.. maybe that should be disabled |
| 23:03:47 | LinusN | ok, 99% of my tracks are 44.1 mp3 :-) |
| 23:03:55 | preglow | i don't think that dithering every worked very well, btw... |
| 23:04:04 | preglow | ever |
| 23:04:09 | rasher | Bagder: oops |
| 23:04:24 | Bagder | working |
| 23:04:47 | preglow | if the code is any indication, i think it should be working now |
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| 23:05:20 | rasher | Bagder: \o/ |
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| 23:05:28 | ac | hi all |
| 23:05:34 | kenshin | ghode|afk: didn't read far back enough to see rasher already answered it. oops! |
| 23:05:44 | preglow | hellos |
| 23:06:10 | Coldtoast | DAMN ther are a lot of scam h300 auctions on ebay! |
| 23:06:15 | rasher | Man, tremor is really doing well |
| 23:06:30 | Coldtoast | http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=91365&item=5784970419&rd=1 |
| 23:06:54 | Coldtoast | for example. Check his feedback and one of his buyers supposedly bought a car off of him for $2US |
| 23:07:15 | Coldtoast | sorry, $1 |
| 23:07:27 | ghode|afk | any GTO fans in here? |
| 23:08:12 | Sucka` | Item location: bei jing |
| 23:08:12 | Sucka` | Ireland |
| 23:08:14 | Sucka` | lol |
| 23:08:35 | rasher | Slasheri: sometimes going to the menu and back makes the next track info appear |
| 23:08:43 | ac | can somebody tell me the output values of the irvier h120 battery? |
| 23:09:02 | ac | i want to check, if my battery is dead, or my whole player |
| 23:09:52 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/probbs/ |
| 23:09:52 | kenshin | ac: does it work when plugged into the A/C adapter? |
| 23:09:58 | Bagder | problematic songs I collect |
| 23:10:07 | LinusN | Coldtoast: no, he bought the *sound* of a Trabant for $1 |
| 23:10:16 | Coldtoast | haha! ok |
| 23:10:16 | ac | i have now disconnted the battery |
| 23:10:52 | ac | if i conntect now the ac adapter the gren led blinks for about 3 seconds |
| 23:11:09 | LinusN | ac: what did you do to it? |
| 23:11:20 | Moos | Hi austriancoder |
| 23:11:31 | ghode|afk | w0-0t ;p |
| 23:11:47 | ac | LinusN: tooo much volts in my car |
| 23:11:51 | ac | hi Moos |
| 23:12:05 | LinusN | ac: boo |
| 23:12:10 | ghode|afk | hehe you;ve been a wanted man ac ;p |
| 23:12:28 | LinusN | ac: is the player dead? |
| 23:12:57 | LinusN | i.e doesn't react when you press ON |
| 23:13:18 | ac | LinusN: not really... sometimes i get it running... |
| 23:13:26 | LinusN | does it get hot? |
| 23:13:37 | ac | the battery? yes |
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| 23:14:18 | LinusN | most devices that have been exposed to high voltage are dead beyond repair |
| 23:14:23 | ac | without any batter connteced, only ac adapter the player does not react on ON |
| 23:14:24 | Bagder | I00 |
| 23:14:28 | LinusN | your seems to have some hope |
| 23:14:28 | Bagder | :-/ |
| 23:14:44 | Slasheri | ac: i think you should not connect it to power if it still works partially. Change the voltage regulators, capasitors etc. and it might survive |
| 23:14:46 | Bagder | 402c2000 |
| 23:14:50 | Slasheri | just don't burn the cpu |
| 23:14:55 | amiconn | Just committed iriver remote FFWD/REW |
| 23:15:31 | LinusN | ac: have a multimeter? |
| 23:15:57 | ac | LinusN: no... but i get one tomorrow |
| 23:16:15 | preglow | Slasheri: MAN, is mp3 playback struggling |
| 23:16:15 | LinusN | ok |
| 23:16:25 | amiconn | LinusN: Any idea how we can lower the possibility of breaking button handling for certain platforms? |
| 23:16:38 | Slasheri | preglow: Hmm, no? shouldn't be |
| 23:16:43 | LinusN | amiconn: not really |
| 23:16:49 | preglow | the boost ratio is wild for a 48khz mp3 i have |
| 23:16:50 | preglow | vbr |
| 23:16:56 | ac | i hope i my player isnt dead.. i dont have much money for a h3xx |
| 23:16:59 | preglow | something around 90% boost ratio |
| 23:17:18 | Slasheri | preglow: ah, that might be possible.. resampling eats more cpu |
| 23:17:31 | LinusN | ac: there might still be hope |
| 23:17:36 | preglow | hmm |
| 23:17:41 | preglow | i just tried to select a new track |
| 23:17:43 | preglow | the player failed |
| 23:17:49 | preglow | LinusN: you might want to bring an older build :-) |
| 23:17:57 | LinusN | hehe |
| 23:17:58 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:18:03 | ac | LinusN: are you online tomorrow? |
| 23:18:28 | ghode|afk | ac, do you by any chance plan to add any of your fm radio code? |
| 23:18:32 | LinusN | boarding a sailing ship tomorrow |
| 23:18:57 | Bagder | what a lame excuse ;-P |
| 23:19:44 | ac | ghode|afk: sure, but firstly i need to test my changes.. but thats quite hard with an broken player :( |
| 23:19:46 | amiconn | LinusN: I don't have a nice solution to that problem as well, other than testing, testing, testing... (perhaps also in the simulator), and using proven code sequences |
| 23:20:03 | ac | but i will buy a new one, if my is realy broeken |
| 23:20:20 | ac | LinusN: Hmmm... what should i check if i have a multimeter? |
| 23:20:30 | Cassandra | *looks at the unbroken line of green* Yay! |
| 23:20:47 | Cassandra | (Well, unbroken apart from all those reds.) |
| 23:20:53 | ghode|afk | ac: i'm sure you could find a few guinea pigs in here |
| 23:21:15 | Coldtoast | I'll give it a whirl |
| 23:21:16 | rasher | ac: bring on the patches! |
| 23:21:24 | amiconn | Cassandra: Where do you see an unbroken line of green? Did you fix gmini and h3x0? ;-) |
| 23:21:32 | preglow | man, man, man |
| 23:21:34 | LinusN | ac: i tried to /msg you |
| 23:21:35 | preglow | libmad needs more massage |
| 23:21:45 | Cassandra | Would've been nice, wouldn't it? |
| 23:21:46 | ac | oh |
| 23:21:47 | ac | i see |
| 23:21:55 | preglow | _I_ need more massage |
| 23:23:11 | thegeek | I think rockbox should have an easter egg |
| 23:23:12 | thegeek | like |
| 23:23:28 | thegeek | entering "rockbox" using only the play/stop button |
| 23:23:39 | thegeek | binary ofcourse |
| 23:23:46 | Bagder | thegeek: how do you know there isn't one already? ;-) |
| 23:23:54 | thegeek | good point |
| 23:24:02 | Coldtoast | I found one |
| 23:24:08 | Cassandra | You did? |
| 23:24:30 | Coldtoast | yep. power on with REC+ON boots the iriver firmware |
| 23:24:32 | Coldtoast | heh |
| 23:24:42 | thegeek | that was not very funny |
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| 23:24:50 | Coldtoast | oops. that's a rotten egg |
| 23:24:57 | thegeek | I really think there should be a nice egg |
| 23:25:06 | thegeek | like a interactive "about" mode |
| 23:25:08 | thegeek | or something |
| 23:25:13 | thegeek | that scrolls all the contributors |
| 23:25:15 | thegeek | or something;) |
| 23:25:21 | Coldtoast | ever have an Amiga? |
| 23:25:25 | Bagder | grrrr |
| 23:25:26 | Cassandra | You mean the credits screen? |
| 23:25:36 | Cassandra | It's on the info menu |
| 23:25:36 | Bagder | I00 again |
| 23:25:41 | amiconn | Coldtoast: I do have an Amiga |
| 23:25:41 | thegeek | well |
| 23:25:44 | Coldtoast | the Amiga had a few easter eggs |
| 23:25:47 | thegeek | it was just an example;) |
| 23:25:47 | Bagder | without touching it |
| 23:25:50 | LinusN | easter eggs in open source code isn't very surprising |
| 23:26:07 | thegeek | hehe |
| 23:26:13 | Coldtoast | I can remember one of them. a message that said "Amiga. We built it, Commodore fucked it" |
| 23:26:25 | Cassandra | I think most of the developers are too busy writing actual features to care much about easter eggs. |
| 23:26:33 | thegeek | ;p |
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| 23:27:00 | * | rasher tries to avoid putting utf8 into dansk.lang |
| 23:27:25 | preglow | ouch |
| 23:27:25 | kenshin | it's hard enough to learn the real code, nevermind trying to ignore easter eggs |
| 23:27:30 | preglow | i've actually never thought about that |
| 23:27:41 | rasher | preglow: guess you got lucky |
| 23:27:42 | preglow | could anyone check if norsk.lang has any utf8? :-) |
| 23:27:51 | rasher | Have you not been using it? |
| 23:28:06 | Cassandra | Rockbox is not an easy app to write for. It's so feature rich that there's a lot of spaghetti code. |
| 23:28:27 | t0mas | indeed |
| 23:28:30 | Coldtoast | spaghetti code with source |
| 23:28:42 | Coldtoast | sounds good actually |
| 23:28:45 | Cassandra | For all of my patches, I've spent more time trying to understand what Rockbox is doing than I have actually writing new code. |
| 23:28:48 | rasher | preglow: running it now |
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| 23:29:19 | rasher | I don't see any utf8 |
| 23:29:22 | t0mas | Cassandra: me too... most time |
| 23:29:26 | kenshin | Cassandra: i'm only two weeks into the code and it's mind-boggling |
| 23:29:45 | t0mas | kenshin: you have to hang around here... and trail and error / ask your way around |
| 23:29:47 | LinusN | Cassandra: name one app that is easy to code for |
| 23:29:56 | t0mas | LinusN: my own apps ;-) |
| 23:30:01 | hardeep | Hello World |
| 23:30:01 | t0mas | as I know the internals there :) |
| 23:30:09 | kenshin | t0mas: i'm two weeks into that, as well! ;) |
| 23:30:43 | t0mas | it took me a few days to even find out plugins existed... and how to code a plugin |
| 23:30:44 | Cassandra | linus: You may have a point there. |
| 23:31:08 | LinusN | i think rockbox is pretty easy to code for, since all the code is there, and it's plain c |
| 23:31:38 | LinusN | not 70 levels of oo abstractions and design patterns |
| 23:31:40 | kenshin | but i seem to find you guys in here only on the weekends (i'm west coast US; GMT-8) |
| 23:31:49 | Cassandra | Yeah, but you know the code better than most people. |
| 23:31:55 | LinusN | of course |
| 23:31:55 | t0mas | kenshin: there are some other US guys |
| 23:32:09 | Cassandra | You might be right though. I've never really got on with OO stuff. |
| 23:32:12 | Bagder | kenshin: we're here just about every day |
| 23:32:32 | t0mas | LinusN: if OO is used right... it makes things easy... if it's used wrong.. it makes things horrible... |
| 23:32:53 | LinusN | t0mas: i have yet to see it used right |
| 23:32:54 | kenshin | well, i usually don't get started until at least about 7:00PM PST during the week. |
| 23:32:55 | Cassandra | I once wrote a library for solving decision trees in C. |
| 23:32:57 | t0mas | Bagder: he ment it's night there when we're awake |
| 23:33:04 | Cassandra | I really should have used C++. |
| 23:33:16 | Cassandra | Or maybe just been better at writing C. |
| 23:33:38 | rasher | Hrm.. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=439120&group_id=44306&aid=1218188 looks interesting |
| 23:33:41 | LinusN | afk for a while |
| 23:33:45 | t0mas | bye |
| 23:33:51 | Bagder | kenshin: yes, I guess you miss most of us euro guys then |
| 23:34:37 | * | rasher stares at the patch list |
| 23:34:41 | Bagder | kenshin: you can always reach us on the mailing list |
| 23:34:57 | t0mas | rasher: if you ask me: test + commit that one |
| 23:35:26 | * | Bagder agrees with t0mas |
| 23:35:48 | rasher | can't test on archos though |
| 23:36:09 | hardeep | that part of the code is basically the same on archos and iriver |
| 23:36:10 | preglow | my ansi viewer is nice c++ :P |
| 23:36:25 | markun | preglow: changed Tremor to output 32 bit non interleaved samples.. |
| 23:36:26 | kenshin | Badger: true |
| 23:36:31 | preglow | at least i plain love just being able to forget freeing memory |
| 23:36:36 | preglow | markun: oh, how? |
| 23:36:44 | preglow | markun: hacked ov_read? |
| 23:36:57 | preglow | markun: this is splendid, does resampling work now? |
| 23:37:00 | markun | preglow: Yes |
| 23:37:12 | markun | preglow: Did not try it, just a moment. |
| 23:37:15 | preglow | do so, please |
| 23:37:18 | preglow | i've got a feeling it'll work |
| 23:37:57 | markun | preglow: no, doesn't work.. |
| 23:38:20 | markun | preglow: The pitch is correct, but it still sounds 2x too fast. |
| 23:38:29 | markun | very strange sound |
| 23:38:40 | rasher | t0mas: works.. |
| 23:39:13 | Cassandra | If you commit it, I'll test it on the Archos. |
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| 23:39:20 | markun | preglow: wait, I'm doing somthing wrong here.. |
| 23:39:21 | ep0ch | hi |
| 23:39:23 | preglow | markun: eh? |
| 23:39:23 | rasher | righto |
| 23:40:00 | ep0ch | the quick menu on the ihp, can we have "up" to enable/disable crossfade please? :) |
| 23:40:04 | t0mas | rasher: then you can commit it |
| 23:40:22 | t0mas | and maybe ask the author to write a configoption for it |
| 23:40:27 | t0mas | (yes, another config option) |
| 23:40:36 | rasher | I don't think so |
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| 23:40:42 | Cassandra | ep0ch: No, because I have a better us for it. |
| 23:40:51 | Cassandra | I'm just trying to remember what it was. |
| 23:40:54 | ep0ch | :) |
| 23:40:57 | Bagder | no, no need for an option for that imho |
| 23:41:07 | ep0ch | maybe it can be made configurable one day? |
| 23:41:08 | Moos | Cassandra: i really like the new quick menu for iriver like archos models |
| 23:41:22 | Cassandra | *grins* You're welcome. |
| 23:41:47 | Cassandra | Linus is planning to replace the quick menu with an actual menu at some point. |
| 23:41:57 | Cassandra | This may be configurable. |
| 23:42:26 | Moos | good idea |
| 23:42:29 | ep0ch | cool, it;s really useful as it is anyway, thanks. |
| 23:42:47 | ep0ch | time for sleep |
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| 23:42:58 | Cassandra | t0mas: No need for a config option. Just leave it on. |
| 23:43:06 | Cassandra | Config file is bloated enough as it is. |
| 23:43:09 | preglow | markun: so? |
| 23:43:51 | markun | preglow: I copied ov_read to rb_read but forgot to call rb_read from vorbis.com.. will try again now. |
| 23:44:01 | rasher | committed |
| 23:44:52 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:45:29 | rasher | if this break, I'm amazed |
| 23:45:41 | rasher | Now someone make me a patch-tracker admin |
| 23:45:51 | Cassandra | Did you change thread.c |
| 23:45:52 | Cassandra | ? |
| 23:45:55 | Bagder | rasher: sure, hang on |
| 23:45:59 | | Quit s () |
| 23:46:01 | rasher | Cassandra: not that I know of |
| 23:47:00 | Bagder | rasher: you rasher on sf? |
| 23:47:14 | Cassandra | CC thread.c |
| 23:47:14 | Cassandra | thread.c:68: warning: `always_inline' attribute directive ignored |
| 23:47:14 | Cassandra | thread.c:69: warning: `always_inline' attribute directive ignored |
| 23:47:25 | rasher | Bagder: no, sadly not.. bacon_boy_13 :-\ |
| 23:47:26 | Cassandra | I'm getting that in my Archos build. |
| 23:47:39 | Cassandra | But I doubt that's the fault of the patch. |
| 23:48:41 | preglow | rasher: haha, kudos |
| 23:49:05 | rasher | preglow: ? |
| 23:49:11 | preglow | nice name |
| 23:49:17 | rasher | Ah that, yes |
| 23:49:28 | Bagder | bacon_boy at least... |
| 23:49:30 | Cassandra | Badger, might as well add me while you're about it. |
| 23:49:39 | Bagder | sure, user name? |
| 23:49:54 | Cassandra | christi-s |
| 23:50:14 | * | rasher scrambles to remember his account-details |
| 23:50:51 | Bagder | rasher: you're added |
| 23:50:54 | markun | preglow: Hm, I changed ov_read to do buffer = pcm[0] as a first hack but now it doesn't output any sound. |
| 23:51:19 | Cassandra | Hmm. Shouldn't make zip add rockbox.ucl to the archive? |
| 23:51:54 | rasher | Bagder: so you found out it wasn't _13? |
| 23:52:05 | Bagder | rasher: magic, eh? ;-) |
| 23:52:19 | rasher | Fantastic |
| 23:52:40 | Cassandra | Oh, it does. Don't mind me. |
| 23:53:03 | Bagder | Cassandra: you're added too |
| 23:53:10 | preglow | markun: i don't know which format slasheri expects to have the data handed to him in |
| 23:53:23 | preglow | markun: if mpa.c is any indication, he wants signed 3.28 fixed point |
| 23:53:33 | preglow | markun: i don't know what tremor uses internally |
| 23:53:43 | Cassandra | Thanks bagder |
| 23:53:59 | t0mas | hm... I04 |
| 23:54:04 | * | t0mas hates that :( |
| 23:54:12 | t0mas | time to find a paperclip |
| 23:54:51 | * | Bagder reads openneo commit mails |
| 23:55:03 | preglow | hmm |
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| 23:55:17 | Cassandra | Patch works fine on archos. |
| 23:55:28 | Bagder | they are so far off from Rockbox they're getting boring |
| 23:55:39 | Bagder | I like changes like this: |
| 23:55:43 | Bagder | ! #define MPEG_STATUS_STOP 0 |
| 23:55:43 | Bagder | ! #define MPEG_STATUS_PLAY 1 |
| 23:55:43 | Bagder | ! #define MPEG_STATUS_PAUSE 2 |
| 23:55:47 | Bagder | out, and in: |
| 23:55:52 | Bagder | ! #define MPEG_STATUS_STOPPED 0 |
| 23:55:52 | Bagder | ! #define MPEG_STATUS_PLAYING 1 |
| 23:55:52 | Bagder | ! #define MPEG_STATUS_PAUSED 2 |
| 23:55:53 | markun | preglow: 10.21 fixed point at some places (sharedbook.c) |
| 23:56:09 | preglow | markun: the output format is shiftet right 9 places, and then it's 16 bits |
| 23:56:20 | preglow | markun: at least that's what they hand their clipper |
| 23:56:33 | markun | preglow: Yes, in clip_to_15 |
| 23:57:01 | preglow | so i guess there are 25 frac bits, at least |
| 23:57:10 | preglow | bah |
| 23:57:11 | preglow | i mean 24 |
| 23:57:42 | preglow | argh |
| 23:57:56 | preglow | i have to stop doing this |
| 23:58:03 | preglow | i can feel father distraction gripping me tighter |
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