| 00:00:12 | stripwax | alxcm - heh, good luck. they're really not that simple. The JRE includes the JVM |
| 00:00:32 | tucoz | so the hippies want a free JVM as in open source |
| 00:00:52 | alxcm | Blackdown |
| 00:00:54 | stripwax | tucoz - it doesn't have to be open source. it just has to be 'free as in speech' i.e. no fascist licensing requirements |
| 00:01:06 | alxcm | blackdown == open source |
| 00:01:06 | * | stripwax wonders if fascist is too strong a word here... |
| 00:01:18 | stripwax | But that's Debian hippies for yuo |
| 00:01:20 | alxcm | its fairly decent, too |
| 00:01:32 | alxcm | anyway, you all are talking about ogg playback? |
| 00:01:44 | tucoz | no the tagdb |
| 00:01:46 | stripwax | alxcm - right, which was why my original question was, does the tagdb java code work with blackdown... |
| 00:02:34 | alxcm | i use Sun's JRE ;) |
| 00:02:44 | alxcm | i could try it with blackdown soon if you want tho |
| 00:04:19 | alxcm | will this fix issues with the playback of long oggs? |
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| 00:06:16 | HCl | ? |
| 00:06:20 | HCl | what? |
| 00:06:43 | stripwax | alxcm - playback and tagging are, like, totally different issues |
| 00:06:44 | alxcm | on my ihp120, under rockbox |
| 00:07:07 | tucoz | alxcm: no, this is only the generation of the tag data base. |
| 00:07:08 | alxcm | i figured since you were talking about playtimes, it might be a little relevent |
| 00:07:24 | alxcm | i guess the codec determines playtime differently? |
| 00:07:54 | stripwax | Yikes. Does the playback code rely on the 'playtime' reported by the tagdatabase? i'd hope not. I'm certain the codec determines playtime by just reading the entire file until there's nothing left |
| 00:07:57 | HCl | i can't use the rockbox codecs in my db generator |
| 00:07:59 | HCl | stripwax: no it doesnt |
| 00:08:09 | stripwax | (I meant to figure out when to change track) |
| 00:08:17 | HCl | its merely for statistics, and for searches. |
| 00:08:25 | alxcm | because "long" OGG files sound really corrupted when played back on my ihp120 |
| 00:08:38 | alxcm | long being 24ish minutes |
| 00:08:57 | tucoz | but rockbox is in no way demanding the tagdb to exist to work, right. |
| 00:09:39 | alxcm | i wouldn't know |
| 00:09:42 | stripwax | alxcm - ah, right. Sorry, I thought you were talking about the issue where it changes to the next track to early. (which I guess might be fixed anyway) |
| 00:10:04 | stripwax | alxcm - I've got a ~22 minutes OGG track - do you think that would work or fail? I'll try and see if it sounds corrupted |
| 00:10:09 | alxcm | try it |
| 00:10:20 | alxcm | the length is the only thing right now that seems to cause problems |
| 00:10:36 | alxcm | i took a vanilla mp3, decoded it to wav, encoded it to ogg with oggenc, no issues |
| 00:10:52 | alxcm | took a 24 min ogg, decoded to wav, reencoded with oggenc, sounds awful |
| 00:10:59 | alxcm | like overlayed static or something |
| 00:11:30 | stripwax | Hm.. a One-Hour ogg and it sounds fine. |
| 00:11:39 | alxcm | freaky |
| 00:11:48 | alxcm | i'll upload one of the ones that sounds horrible |
| 00:12:01 | stripwax | sounds just perfect. Maybe a bug in your ogg encoder? Which one are you using (and which version): |
| 00:12:01 | alxcm | this is yesterday's daily build |
| 00:12:13 | alxcm | oggenc from vorbis-tools, latest version |
| 00:12:19 | tucoz | hmm, I don't get this blackdown site. It's linking to suns jre |
| 00:12:31 | alxcm | incidentally, they all play back fine under iRiver firmware |
| 00:12:54 | stripwax | alxcm - "latest version" == what version though? |
| 00:13:16 | stripwax | alxcm hmm strange. I've got a bunch of oggs that don't play on iRiver that play fine on Rockbox so .. ? :-) |
| 00:13:18 | bill2or3 | I got my 340 back together, now with a hdd activity light |
| 00:13:25 | bill2or3 | *whew* |
| 00:14:21 | alxcm | /bin/sh: oggenc: command not found |
| 00:14:24 | alxcm | bah |
| 00:14:30 | alxcm | alx@phoenix alx $ oggenc -v |
| 00:14:30 | alxcm | OggEnc v1.0.1 (libvorbis 1.0.1) |
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| 00:15:15 | stripwax | alxcm - rioght. I'm using oggenc 2.3 (libvorbis 1.1.0) which came out nearly a year ago I think ... ;-) |
| 00:15:26 | stripwax | upgrade, dude ... |
| 00:15:59 | alxcm | odd, i got mine from portage |
| 00:16:13 | alxcm | should be up to date |
| 00:16:50 | stripwax | we're on libvorbis 1.1.1 these days.. |
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| 00:18:06 | austriancoder | re |
| 00:18:35 | amiconn | HCl: You wanted to know how to change a commit message for a file after commit? |
| 00:18:41 | stripwax | alxcm - maybe portage is just horribly out of date. |
| 00:18:42 | alxcm | anyway, stripwax, there's the file |
| 00:18:52 | alxcm | stripwax: it shouldn't be tho...i will have to send them an ebuild |
| 00:18:53 | stripwax | alxcm thanks. downloading... |
| 00:19:04 | amiconn | cvs admin -m<revision>:<comment> <file> |
| 00:19:11 | stripwax | ? |
| 00:19:19 | HCl | hm.. can normal users use admin commands? |
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| 00:19:25 | amiconn | This book http://neelix.net/download/doc/OpenSourceDevWithCVS_2E/OpenSourceDevWithCVS_2E.pdf was very helpful for me to learn CVS |
| 00:19:31 | alxcm | HCl: i should hope not |
| 00:19:32 | amiconn | It's freely available |
| 00:19:47 | amiconn | HCl: I already did that; works for me |
| 00:20:09 | amiconn | I guess only some options of 'cvs admin' are available for us |
| 00:21:31 | stripwax | alxcm - hmm, should I be getting more than 1KB/s off this download?? :-( |
| 00:21:34 | * | austriancoder is converting the fwpatcher to use wxwindows |
| 00:21:54 | stripwax | austriancoder - I thought someone else was doing that? |
| 00:22:21 | alxcm | stripwax: yes... |
| 00:22:27 | alxcm | is it that bad? |
| 00:22:40 | stripwax | alxcm yes |
| 00:22:52 | stripwax | 923 bytes/sec now! this is gonna take months.. |
| 00:22:57 | amiconn | austriancoder: See how you are confusiing people with your 2 nicks? |
| 00:23:06 | austriancoder | stripwax: ac == austriancoder ... so.. yes.. i am doing it ;) |
| 00:23:18 | alxcm | hmm |
| 00:23:21 | stripwax | uh, ok! |
| 00:23:22 | alxcm | don't worry about it then |
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| 00:26:04 | alxcm | bbl all |
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| 00:27:47 | BoD[] | Hellooow |
| 00:27:58 | stripwax | hey Bod |
| 00:28:10 | BoD[] | today I bought a iriver h340 |
| 00:28:21 | ghode|afk | i'm so sorry :( |
| 00:28:31 | BoD[] | :_) |
| 00:28:53 | BoD[] | it's ok |
| 00:28:57 | ghode|afk | your first iriver? |
| 00:29:01 | BoD[] | yep |
| 00:29:04 | BoD[] | why |
| 00:29:05 | ghode|afk | ah |
| 00:29:25 | ghode|afk | no reason ;p |
| 00:29:34 | tucoz | the h3x0 series looks nice. My brother got one, and it felt nice. |
| 00:29:36 | DarkkOne | I can see it as a possibility if there's not a h140 available ghode. :-P |
| 00:29:45 | BoD[] | i really wonder if the creative zen is good |
| 00:29:53 | BoD[] | cause... it's a lot cheaper |
| 00:30:04 | ghode|afk | 3x0 series is just way too big for my liking |
| 00:30:12 | BoD[] | and it has a juggle thingy |
| 00:30:14 | HCl | colorscreen is icky... |
| 00:30:29 | ghode|afk | zen touch is supposed to be good, but it does have mass storage :( |
| 00:30:41 | BoD[] | doesn't ? |
| 00:30:46 | HCl | yea, i often completely forget that there are actually players that aren't mass storage |
| 00:30:47 | ghode|afk | the lack of ums drives is scary |
| 00:31:00 | tucoz | ghode|afk: does not have usb mass storage |
| 00:31:04 | HCl | a lot of mp3 players aren't usable as mass storage |
| 00:31:05 | HCl | really scary |
| 00:31:14 | HCl | i'm glad i bought my h140 when i did |
| 00:31:15 | BoD[] | it means i nead a special driver to put music on it? |
| 00:31:17 | ghode|afk | weird thing is, the ipod can be ;p |
| 00:31:25 | DarkkOne | Has any company actually ever put forth a claim as to why they choose not to? |
| 00:31:30 | * | DarkkOne wants a 140 |
| 00:31:34 | ghode|afk | creative - yes |
| 00:31:46 | tucoz | or it might have, but you need to use some special program to transfer your files to the unit. |
| 00:31:55 | tucoz | i.e. music files |
| 00:32:00 | tucoz | iirc |
| 00:32:04 | BoD[] | ok |
| 00:32:10 | HCl | my flatmate has a creative player |
| 00:32:12 | ghode|afk | reason why i didnt go for the karma, seemed to have everything apart from ums :( |
| 00:32:13 | tucoz | just like the ipod |
| 00:32:14 | HCl | and he can't use it as a harddisk |
| 00:32:22 | HCl | ghode|afk: same, and it only being 20gb |
| 00:32:22 | BoD[] | cause the only feature I liked is "usb host" |
| 00:32:28 | ghode|afk | yeah and 20gb |
| 00:32:43 | HCl | but with rockbox iriver is much better anyways |
| 00:32:46 | ghode|afk | sigh 40gb not enough, got only 40meg free atm >< |
| 00:32:47 | tucoz | HCl: that is why I went for the h120 among other things |
| 00:33:03 | tucoz | which I'm happy for these days. |
| 00:33:13 | HCl | ghode|afk: upgrade? |
| 00:33:37 | ghode|afk | i dont feel the 60gb is worth it atm, which is like 130£ |
| 00:33:42 | HCl | *nods* |
| 00:33:57 | HCl | most of the price of the iriver is cause of the harddisk |
| 00:34:02 | ghode|afk | hmm thats actually might be the 30gb, not looked at the price in a while |
| 00:34:26 | HCl | my music collection is 13gb.. the only reason why my player is almost full is cause of copies of movies and such.. |
| 00:34:32 | BoD[] | (i'm gonna try the picture viewing capabilities now) |
| 00:35:00 | BoD[] | by the way there's a silly limitation on the usb host function |
| 00:35:06 | tucoz | The screen on the h3x0 series looked very good. |
| 00:35:13 | BoD[] | you can't copy a directory recursively :/ |
| 00:35:25 | ghode|afk | yeah i carry around loads of programs/files on my player. even have cygwin on it >< |
| 00:36:09 | ghode|afk | BoD[]: what do you think of the size? |
| 00:36:26 | BoD[] | ghode: it's "think" :) |
| 00:36:36 | BoD[] | heu |
| 00:36:40 | BoD[] | thick |
| 00:36:41 | tucoz | it's not that big compared to the h120 |
| 00:36:49 | BoD[] | the opposite of thin |
| 00:36:52 | ghode|afk | :/ |
| 00:37:07 | tucoz | It felt solid. |
| 00:37:27 | DarkkOne | My general theory is "if it fits in the lower pocket of my cargo pants, and doesn't cause them to fall off, it's not too big" but I'm not a huge "small gadgets are better gadgets" kinda person. |
| 00:37:28 | ghode|afk | camt remeber where i saw this, but size wise, does the h140=320? |
| 00:37:41 | thegeek | hmm |
| 00:37:45 | * | amiconn just watched some demo videos on ipodlinux.org |
| 00:37:48 | thegeek | I think the h140 is actually a little thinner |
| 00:37:52 | BoD[] | fuck i just copied 20 gigs of the wrong folder .... |
| 00:38:08 | thegeek | even though it is a tiny bit bigger than the 120, the 140 is still smaller than the 320 |
| 00:38:09 | ghode|afk | doh ;p |
| 00:38:15 | BoD[] | took me about 40min |
| 00:38:19 | amiconn | Booting linux takes ages compared to rockbox boot |
| 00:38:26 | tucoz | hehe |
| 00:38:30 | thegeek | haha |
| 00:38:49 | tucoz | linux takes ages compared to windows boot also. at least on my machine |
| 00:39:00 | ghode|afk | thegeek, good good, glad i didnt go with the 340. altough 140+leather case = huge size :( |
| 00:39:18 | DarkkOne | That's weird. Booting Knoppix off of a CD tends to take less time than a clean install of windows on most computers I've tried it on. |
| 00:39:35 | DarkkOne | What linux tucoz? |
| 00:40:17 | tucoz | suse 9.3 |
| 00:40:17 | amiconn | Slow boot of portable devices like daps and cellphones is annoying. For me ~ 10 secs is the bearable maximum |
| 00:40:53 | BoD[] | there's no zoom in the picture viewer :( |
| 00:41:02 | DarkkOne | Aaah, I've only tried suse once, and that was a livecd. Don't remember it well though. |
| 00:41:30 | BoD[] | in fact |
| 00:41:46 | BoD[] | I think what it displays is the thumbnail information inside the jpg file |
| 00:41:48 | amiconn | BoD[]: Talking 'bout iriver H3xx firmware? |
| 00:41:52 | BoD[] | not the actual file |
| 00:41:55 | BoD[] | amiconn: yes |
| 00:42:50 | BoD[] | another silly thing |
| 00:42:57 | BoD[] | you click "navi" |
| 00:43:16 | BoD[] | then you're browsing your files.. but you can only play music files |
| 00:43:54 | BoD[] | if I go to my pictures folder the pictures are filtered out.. I have to go to the main menu and chose the picture view icon |
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| 00:44:37 | tucoz | h120 compared to a h3x0 http://prigal.free.fr/hfr/1.jpg |
| 00:44:46 | tucoz | http://prigal.free.fr/hfr/7.jpg |
| 00:44:57 | tucoz | it's a bit thicker, yes. |
| 00:45:10 | austriancoder | as our bootloader will support in the near future some other players too, wouldnt it be nice to make a wizard out of our fwpatcher? |
| 00:45:49 | BoD[] | (doesn't support progressive jpg either) |
| 00:46:15 | amiconn | BoD[]: Progressive isn't supported in the rockbox jpeg viewer either |
| 00:46:32 | amiconn | (which currently works on archos only) |
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| 00:47:01 | austriancoder | e.g. on the first page to select player to use - 2nd page: browse orginal firmware and patch |
| 00:47:04 | ghode|afk | hmm i remember markun's greyscale hack allowed you to view jpegs |
| 00:47:28 | amiconn | ghode|afk: Yes, but only with the 4 (native) grey levels |
| 00:47:31 | tucoz | austriancoder: sounds like a good idea |
| 00:47:50 | amiconn | I wouldn't call this a real image viewer |
| 00:47:58 | austriancoder | tucoz: fine |
| 00:48:03 | amiconn | austriancoder: The major thing about fwpatcher is reliability |
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| 00:48:31 | amiconn | The current implementation detects the platform based on the unpatched firmware's md5 sum |
| 00:48:46 | austriancoder | sure.. |
| 00:48:47 | DarkkOne | That way someone can't click the wrong thing, right? |
| 00:48:54 | austriancoder | but |
| 00:49:05 | tucoz | but the patcher is aimed at end users, and all safety measures is good. |
| 00:49:06 | austriancoder | the bootloader will support in the near time iaudio x5 |
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| 00:49:19 | amiconn | austriancoder: Yes, so what? |
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| 00:49:28 | austriancoder | and it would be fine to use the fwpatcher too |
| 00:49:50 | amiconn | Yes, that would be simple |
| 00:49:53 | tucoz | in this picture the h1x0 looks like a beast compared to the h3x0 http://www.iriver.co.jp/images/supporter/40_51/pic1.jpg |
| 00:50:02 | DarkkOne | It'll have its own set of MD5s, so it should be able to detect that the firmware you pointed it at is for the iaudio x5 and not something else, from the sounds of it, so no user input but a filename would be needed, right? |
| 00:50:16 | amiconn | DarkkOne: yup |
| 00:50:45 | austriancoder | guys.. let me some time and i will try something |
| 00:50:51 | DarkkOne | So the only necessary user input is pointing to the firmware file, reducing the possibility of user error to a minimal. |
| 00:51:16 | DarkkOne | So, what's the benefit of the wizard if the file/platform can be detected? |
| 00:52:13 | tucoz | The comfort of getting the feeling you have done something right for the user. |
| 00:52:30 | amiconn | DarkkOne: The current fwpatcher even does a double check. It detects the platform of the unpatched firmware based on the md5 sum, patches it with the bootloader, then calculates the md5 sum of the patched file and compares it to the matching table entry |
| 00:53:06 | tucoz | Instead of a lot of stuff happening without you knowing it. Like, browse, patch -> patched. Hmm, did I _really_ do it right? |
| 00:53:07 | amiconn | If any of these checks fails, it won't report a successful patch, and won't change the input file |
| 00:53:35 | austriancoder | please wait until i am done.. |
| 00:53:44 | tucoz | hehe |
| 00:54:03 | DarkkOne | So what you COULD do, is have a dialogue. You select the file, click okay, and it pops up a confirmation (rather than a wizard) that says "This firmware is detected as IHP-120 ver 1.65US" so the user knows it's right that way? |
| 00:54:29 | DarkkOne | I will admit, when I ran fwpatcher, I was very very nervous. |
| 00:54:48 | DarkkOne | I mean, h120s aren't the easiest things to come by these days. |
| 00:54:57 | tucoz | hehe, I trusted amiconns work. Still, I was a bit nervous when I flashed it. |
| 00:55:20 | amiconn | DarkkOne: I admit the feedback is a bit minimalistic. |
| 00:55:27 | DarkkOne | Yeah, it's not a complaint by any means |
| 00:55:38 | DarkkOne | And it's nice to have the MD5s posted on the page so I can do my own before/after checks. |
| 00:55:54 | tucoz | so either dialogues, and/or wizard is a good thing. |
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| 00:56:29 | Rori | hay guyz http://ramarquesv.nerim.net/iPod%20Flea.WMV |
| 00:57:59 | ]RowaN[ | neeed.. too. orrder.. new .. 30gig iriver hd.. anyone know a place that mite have stock? |
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| 01:01:52 | pill | dapstore.com? |
| 01:02:15 | stripwax | anyone seen a guy called "paul", who was working on a full Rockbox installer for Windows iriver users? |
| 01:02:29 | stripwax | ]RowaN[ - www.span.co.uk ? |
| 01:02:42 | stripwax | ulp.. www.span.com |
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| 01:03:10 | amiconn | stripwax: Why another installer |
| 01:03:11 | amiconn | ? |
| 01:03:21 | stripwax | amiconn - don't ask me, ask "paul" |
| 01:03:38 | amiconn | There already is an installer; it's merely necessary to extend it a bit to include iriver |
| 01:03:43 | stripwax | he said he wanted to have cmdline control over fwpatcher.exe (remember?) |
| 01:03:56 | stripwax | so we added it? not heard from him since tho |
| 01:04:10 | stripwax | his installer was also automatically downloading latest rockbox |
| 01:04:18 | amiconn | ...and that's a thing that shouldn't be done before the first official release |
| 01:04:25 | amiconn | ...imho |
| 01:04:37 | stripwax | you mean should be done, right? |
| 01:04:47 | amiconn | nope |
| 01:05:02 | stripwax | so the first official release is one that doesn't have a proper installer? |
| 01:05:26 | DarkkOne | Someone should run a poll, I imagine more people waiting for release are already using it than aren't. |
| 01:05:41 | amiconn | No, i mean it shouldn't be done before doing the first release, i.e. the first release should have it, but no builds before that |
| 01:05:43 | DarkkOne | It being Rockbox iRiver h120 |
| 01:06:41 | ]RowaN[ | span are out of stock |
| 01:06:50 | stripwax | amiconn - understood. obviously it would have to be written *before* the release tho. I thought you meant no-one should even work on it until after the first official release (which is why it seemed odd to me) |
| 01:06:53 | ]RowaN[ | sapstore are out of sock |
| 01:06:54 | ]RowaN[ | stock |
| 01:06:57 | ]RowaN[ | dapstore |
| 01:07:00 | ]RowaN[ | <- drunk |
| 01:07:05 | stripwax | hmm, span say 7 days. can you wait a week |
| 01:07:12 | ]RowaN[ | nah thats a lie.. |
| 01:07:19 | * | stripwax needs a new hdd too.. it's dying a slow death.. |
| 01:07:19 | ]RowaN[ | coz when i emailed them they say they dunno when theys getting em |
| 01:07:43 | stripwax | hmm |
| 01:08:24 | stripwax | alxcm - heh, 75% of your ogg has now been downloaded :-) |
| 01:09:15 | amiconn | ]RowaN[: Some german offers that show 'in stock' status: |
| 01:09:18 | amiconn | http://www.mix-computer.de/mix/shop/productDetails.html?&artNo=ABDT06& |
| 01:09:28 | * | Rori just had to replace his hdd. 250Gb with another 250GB. Gonna RMA the other one. |
| 01:09:31 | amiconn | http://www.alternate.de/html/shop/productDetails.html?artno=ABDT06&artno=ABDT06& |
| 01:09:45 | amiconn | Not sure whether these shops ship abroad |
| 01:09:54 | ]RowaN[ | thanks |
| 01:10:02 | ]RowaN[ | not sure which shipping method to pick.. better email em |
| 01:10:40 | amiconn | Another one: http://www.cssc.de/shop/product_info2.php?partnerid=6&products_id=8198240 |
| 01:11:40 | webguest51 | anyone got a working url for 1.65eu? ;o |
| 01:12:36 | ]RowaN[ | cssc.de seem pricey |
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| 01:17:55 | tucoz | I am thinking of buying a laptop, but have no clue what to buy. The different processors, etc. All got different names, but same freq. Anyone happen to know where one can see these compared? |
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| 01:18:54 | stripwax | tucoz - tomshardware.com ? |
| 01:19:11 | stripwax | google? |
| 01:19:50 | tucoz | google is great, but right now it's a jungle. As is tomshardware |
| 01:21:13 | stripwax | tucoz - k then, buy a centrino laptop (i.e. pentium M,) with 802.11g and >4 hours battery life :-) |
| 01:21:19 | tucoz | like centrino, pentium m |
| 01:21:23 | stripwax | and give this article a read, http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.html?i=1800 |
| 01:21:47 | tucoz | centrino=pentium m? |
| 01:21:58 | stripwax | tucoz - centrino isn't a processor. it's a system specification. pentium m is a processor |
| 01:22:04 | tucoz | stripwax thanks |
| 01:22:22 | stripwax | sure |
| 01:22:47 | DarkkOne | Yeah, laptops pretty much depend on whether you want battery life, or desktop-replacement power. |
| 01:23:09 | * | stripwax would go for battery anyday, since he has a desktop too anyway |
| 01:24:01 | tucoz | Yes, seems like a good idea. So, how are the graphic chips these days? radeon 9700 or x300? |
| 01:24:02 | DarkkOne | See, I went for power. I mean, I still get about 2:30 on the batteries. I just don't like sitting at the desktop anymore. |
| 01:24:33 | stripwax | DarkkOne - don't get me wrong, I just hardly ever use the desktop any more |
| 01:24:44 | stripwax | tucoz i'm still back in the dark ages with a 9600pro |
| 01:24:58 | DarkkOne | I used to be a PC Gamer, and I expect I'll probably be so again one day. |
| 01:25:07 | stripwax | mmm, i think i'm about to disappear, not sure. i'll be back if it looks like i vanished |
| 01:25:35 | DarkkOne | Right now though, I'm reading through sourcecode trying to relearn C the hardest possible way. |
| 01:25:41 | HCl | gnight. |
| 01:25:44 | tucoz | night |
| 01:25:52 | DarkkOne | Cya |
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| 02:01:46 | ashridah | has anyone managed to fix vorbis playback? |
| 02:02:07 | crwl | what's wrong with it? |
| 02:02:19 | ashridah | it's broken |
| 02:02:36 | crwl | oh |
| 02:03:34 | BoD[] | :_) |
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| 02:33:35 | amiconn | ashridah: What's the problem with vorbis? |
| 02:34:01 | amiconn | I just built h120 rockbox from current cvs, and vorbis is working just fine |
| 02:42:34 | ashridah | it crashes here, i mentioned it on the mailing list in the thread about resampling vorbis files |
| 02:43:16 | ashridah | i play one, no matter what the sampling rate, and it dies with I03: AddrErr at 32F0004E |
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| 02:51:12 | amiconn | ashridah: which build? |
| 02:52:23 | ashridah | cvs head for the past day or so |
| 02:52:42 | ashridah | at least. it's been a few days since i've played an ogg file, unfortunately |
| 02:52:54 | ashridah | but yeah, current CVS head has it for me |
| 02:55:56 | ashridah | how does one get a symbol map for rockbox anyway? |
| 02:56:30 | amiconn | .map files are always created when building |
| 02:56:53 | ashridah | aha |
| 02:57:32 | ashridah | well, it's crashing someplace in codec_start then |
| 02:59:53 | ashridah | ookay. i just used make clean, and now the sodding bug's gone |
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| 03:00:02 | ashridah | could have sworn i'd already done that, damnit. |
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| 03:21:58 | alxcm | ashridah |
| 03:22:16 | alxcm | in thursday's daily build ogg worked |
| 03:22:25 | ashridah | alxcm: i've already fixed it. |
| 03:22:29 | alxcm | lol |
| 03:22:49 | alxcm | but there were some oggs i have that had extreme static overlayed |
| 03:22:51 | * | ashridah gets a distinct office space feeling coming on |
| 03:23:09 | ashridah | but yeah, dsp resampling is probably still broken |
| 03:23:20 | alxcm | well short oggs play fine |
| 03:23:26 | alxcm | longer ones tend to have static |
| 03:23:34 | alxcm | one i tested was 24 minutes |
| 03:23:46 | alxcm | took an mp3, decoded to wav, encoded with oggenc, played fine |
| 03:23:58 | alxcm | took a long ogg, decoded to wav, encoded with oggenc, problems |
| 03:24:20 | Rori | Rubber Johnny rules soooooo much http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=rubjohn |
| 03:24:39 | BBub | alxcm: so the long mp3 didnt have the effects the long ogg had? |
| 03:26:05 | ashridah | hrm. the player's refusing to play the oggs i've got that are 32KHz at all atm. the hard drive grinds madly, but it doesn't start playback |
| 03:26:17 | ashridah | standard speed oggs play fine. |
| 03:26:18 | ashridah | weird |
| 03:26:23 | BoD[] | ok so |
| 03:26:32 | ashridah | could just be the oggs in question, they're generated in a semi dodgy manner iirc |
| 03:26:55 | ashridah | doesn't matter, i'll play with it more later, since i've got to leave now |
| 03:26:56 | BoD[] | I just bought a 400eur iriver h340 |
| 03:27:17 | BoD[] | i wanted it because i needed the usb host function |
| 03:27:41 | BoD[] | but I just understand that it's not compatible with my sony camera |
| 03:27:57 | BoD[] | so it does not work. |
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| 03:28:14 | BoD[] | so I'm officially pissed off |
| 03:28:23 | BoD[] | i'm so gonna return it |
| 03:28:30 | BBub | your cam needs a special driver then |
| 03:28:51 | BoD[] | well it doesn't |
| 03:29:09 | BoD[] | it's seen as a "mass storage device" |
| 03:29:27 | BoD[] | so why doesn't the iriver see it I don't know |
| 03:29:41 | BBub | thats weird then |
| 03:30:24 | BoD[] | weird and f***** annoying |
| 03:30:44 | * | alxcm yawns |
| 03:30:46 | alxcm | sorry |
| 03:30:56 | alxcm | BBub: i should really try a long mp3 |
| 03:32:00 | DarkkOne | What kind of sound is it. Like, does the distortion continue from a point all the way to the end of the file, does it start at the same point every time, etc? |
| 03:32:42 | alxcm | continues all throughout |
| 03:32:55 | alxcm | it's sort of a crackling |
| 03:33:37 | alxcm | i know next to nothing of audio processing or its effects, but if i HAD to guess i'd say that there were gaps in the buffer |
| 03:34:07 | DarkkOne | Does the crackling occur at say, lower quality settings as well? |
| 03:36:25 | alxcm | i'm using defaults |
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| 03:36:29 | alxcm | which are quality 3 |
| 03:36:54 | alxcm | but the iriver firmware plays them fine |
| 03:41:34 | DarkkOne | I'm not really sure I understand what you said about the mp3->wav->ogg vs ogg->wav->ogg thing. The ogg worked, then you converted to wav then back to ogg, and it didn't? |
| 03:45:18 | ze | re-encoding is evil |
| 03:46:00 | * | DarkkOne agrees. |
| 03:47:27 | DarkkOne | My CDs go to FLACs. I burn the FLACs w/ tags to a few DVDs. If anything's ever wrong with a file on my player, I dig up the appropriate DVD and reencode from the flac. Once it's lossy, it's just not a good idea to return from that place. |
| 03:49:00 | BBub | why would you store it on a dvd? just take the audio-cd and encode from there ;) |
| 03:49:12 | alxcm | DarkkOne: no, the ogg never worked |
| 03:49:27 | alxcm | i just made sure to go right from a confirmed working wav to an ogg encoded by the same oggenc |
| 03:49:58 | DarkkOne | Because if I encode to FLAC with tags intact, then even if I don't have internet access, I can repopulate my MP3 player with files pre-tagged with minimal effort. |
| 03:50:27 | DarkkOne | Plus, FLAC->Ogg is alot faster than EAC on the stricter settings to OGG |
| 03:50:28 | BBub | well, you have the cd in your offline db once you ripped it ;) |
| 03:50:43 | BBub | ok, that depends on the drive |
| 03:50:55 | DarkkOne | Yeah, and my laptop has a rather pathetic one. |
| 03:51:38 | BBub | almost all laptops have sucky drives when it comes to audio-cd ripping |
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| 03:51:48 | DarkkOne | Also, the only CD case I own is a little 20 disc one, so I can fit a much higher percentage of my music in it than I can if I just use their CDs. |
| 03:52:39 | BBub | i have all my cds on hdd encoded with lame using −−preset standard (same as −−r3mix was before) |
| 03:53:57 | DarkkOne | I'm not much experienced with lame. |
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| 04:11:55 | alxcm_ | DarkkOne: if it'd help i can record the crackling |
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| 04:12:41 | DarkkOne | Well there's probably very little I personally could do to help. But I'm thinking I'll try to reproduce it on my own. So the oggs are just default? |
| 04:13:04 | DarkkOne | I'll encode some of my audiobooks as ogg. At 6 hours per file, if it's a length thing, it should show up in those, right? |
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| 13:17:53 | HCl | thanks |
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| 14:01:40 | BoD[] | Hello ! |
| 14:07:24 | HCl | hi |
| 14:07:33 | HCl | sup? |
| 14:07:38 | BoD[] | well |
| 14:07:56 | BoD[] | not only the 340 usb host didn't work with my camera |
| 14:08:01 | BoD[] | now it doesn't work at all |
| 14:08:07 | HCl | hm? |
| 14:08:08 | HCl | how so |
| 14:08:08 | HCl | ? |
| 14:08:32 | BoD[] | well yesterday when I plugged my friend's rio, it worked |
| 14:08:39 | BoD[] | but now no |
| 14:08:44 | HCl | hmk |
| 14:08:45 | HCl | odd |
| 14:08:50 | BoD[] | very odd |
| 14:09:08 | * | HCl tries to come to term with how rare his h140 is slowly becoming |
| 14:09:12 | HCl | terms* |
| 14:09:18 | BoD[] | i'm gonna return it |
| 14:09:23 | HCl | mmm |
| 14:09:30 | HCl | i still say to try to find an h140 on ebay, heh. |
| 14:09:33 | BoD[] | but I don't know what i'll get instead |
| 14:09:49 | HCl | where do you live? |
| 14:09:54 | BoD[] | well on ebay i only found a few and not willing to ship in europe |
| 14:09:59 | BoD[] | in france |
| 14:10:09 | HCl | :/ |
| 14:10:13 | HCl | hmm. |
| 14:10:28 | * | HCl goes to help to search |
| 14:10:56 | HCl | hm. |
| 14:11:10 | HCl | http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=96332&item=7528945707&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW |
| 14:11:13 | HCl | there you go |
| 14:11:19 | ghode|afk | you could consider the iaudio x5 |
| 14:11:21 | HCl | sends worldwide |
| 14:11:24 | HCl | iriver h140 |
| 14:11:37 | HCl | 330 euro + 8 euro shipping |
| 14:11:44 | ghode|afk | but the h140 has no usb host ;p |
| 14:11:56 | HCl | it doesn't, but i can't say i miss it. |
| 14:12:10 | ghode|afk | nor me :) |
| 14:12:10 | HCl | i guess it might've been useful for my pda |
| 14:12:16 | HCl | but i can do fine without it |
| 14:12:32 | HCl | anyways BoD[], that ebay link should work fine |
| 14:13:17 | * | BoD[] looking |
| 14:13:27 | Coldtoast | ppl wanting USB host support is a bit like ppl wanting optical in/out |
| 14:13:37 | HCl | hm? |
| 14:13:42 | HCl | h140 has optical in/out |
| 14:13:56 | Coldtoast | I know |
| 14:14:01 | HCl | o.o; |
| 14:14:03 | BoD[] | about the usb host, I'm gonna buy a "QPS travel one" |
| 14:14:15 | HCl | whats that? |
| 14:14:24 | BoD[] | it's like a bridge |
| 14:14:35 | BoD[] | you plug your cam and your mp3 player and you can transfer |
| 14:14:41 | HCl | ah right. |
| 14:14:42 | HCl | nice |
| 14:14:46 | Coldtoast | that's what I mean; the number of ppl who bought the h300 series for the USB host is probably similar to the number of ppl who bought the h100 series for optical in/out |
| 14:14:50 | BoD[] | (but of course if it's true that my cam is not "standard" it won't work" |
| 14:14:56 | HCl | ah right |
| 14:14:57 | BoD[] | ) |
| 14:15:33 | Coldtoast | you can buy those things that interface between 2 devices and get USB host tho if you have a h140 but you sure as hell have no way at all to get optical on a h3x0 |
| 14:15:49 | Domonoky | hm.. is this host feature software ?? |
| 14:16:08 | Domonoky | if so, rockbox on h320 could support more devices :-)) |
| 14:16:09 | BoD[] | me I don't care about optical |
| 14:16:11 | HCl | Domonoky: yes. |
| 14:16:30 | Coldtoast | and I don't care about USB host :) |
| 14:16:38 | BoD[] | true |
| 14:16:40 | Coldtoast | which is one of the reasons I bought the h140 |
| 14:16:50 | Coldtoast | plus it's OO much nicer looking than the h300 series |
| 14:17:03 | Coldtoast | try and do the brushed metal mod to the h300. go on, I dare you |
| 14:17:03 | BoD[] | I don't know about ebay. Never bought anything on it. |
| 14:17:04 | Coldtoast | :) |
| 14:17:12 | HCl | you don't want a color screen because its unreadable when it turns the backlight off.. |
| 14:17:32 | BoD[] | Does anybody know the price of a "new" 140 (when it was available) ? |
| 14:17:44 | HCl | BoD[]: that ebay link is cheaper than when i bought my new 140 |
| 14:18:05 | HCl | in retrospect, i should've checked ebay first, but ah well. |
| 14:18:15 | BoD[] | it's a good deal in your opinion? |
| 14:18:19 | HCl | yup |
| 14:18:26 | HCl | mine was 100 euro more expensive |
| 14:18:31 | ghode|afk | bod i bought mine for 250 back in september |
| 14:18:38 | BoD[] | oh |
| 14:18:44 | ghode|afk | thats pounds though |
| 14:18:48 | ghode|afk | not eu ;http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=96332&item=7528945707&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW |
| 14:18:58 | BoD[] | btw it's true that the color screen turning off, and then you can't read anything is annoying |
| 14:18:59 | HCl | thats more expensive.. i think... |
| 14:19:00 | ghode|afk | ignore that link >< |
| 14:19:08 | BoD[] | :) |
| 14:19:24 | ghode|afk | £250 = 400EU? |
| 14:19:28 | HCl | something like that, yae. |
| 14:19:31 | HCl | yea* |
| 14:19:35 | * | HCl searches for exchange rates |
| 14:19:56 | HCl | 250*1.4710 |
| 14:20:06 | HCl | 367 |
| 14:20:08 | HCl | euro |
| 14:20:20 | ghode|afk | ah well not bad then |
| 14:20:25 | HCl | that ebay link is a pretty good deal, heh |
| 14:20:44 | BoD[] | well I'll keep it in my bookmark |
| 14:20:53 | HCl | mk |
| 14:20:54 | ghode|afk | GTO is freaking weir, not flcl weird, but weird >< |
| 14:20:56 | Coldtoast | http://www.misticriver.net/photos/thumbnails.php?album=392 |
| 14:21:03 | HCl | i wouldn't delay too much with it, they're only becoming more rare |
| 14:21:04 | BoD[] | I hope there won't be a problem returning the h340 :( |
| 14:21:24 | HCl | Coldtoast: heh, how was that done? |
| 14:21:25 | Coldtoast | if you do decide to buy a h140 BoD[], order yourself a 2200mah 1st gen ipod battery too :) |
| 14:21:28 | ghode|afk | did you buy it online? |
| 14:21:33 | Coldtoast | HCl: sandpaper |
| 14:21:40 | HCl | isn't the casing plastic? |
| 14:21:45 | ghode|afk | my 140 is black :( |
| 14:21:49 | Coldtoast | not the h100 series, no |
| 14:21:54 | Coldtoast | magnesium alloy |
| 14:21:56 | HCl | my 140 is black too |
| 14:22:02 | Coldtoast | it's paint |
| 14:22:08 | HCl | aha |
| 14:22:13 | HCl | well, i don't mind it being black |
| 14:22:15 | Coldtoast | you strip the paint and use sandpaper to create the brushed look |
| 14:22:19 | Coldtoast | me either |
| 14:22:21 | BoD[] | ghode : no in a "normal" shop |
| 14:22:25 | Coldtoast | but that brushed look is sure nice |
| 14:22:33 | Coldtoast | anyway. work time |
| 14:22:41 | ghode|afk | bod: ah shouldnt be too hard then |
| 14:22:45 | BoD[] | coldtoast: why, there are problems with battery? |
| 14:22:53 | Coldtoast | there aren't |
| 14:22:53 | BoD[] | ghode: I hope! |
| 14:22:55 | HCl | nope, but its easy to do a battery replacement |
| 14:22:57 | HCl | and they're cheap |
| 14:23:06 | HCl | and they give you 29 hours of battery life opposed to 16 hours |
| 14:23:08 | BoD[] | but what's the point ? |
| 14:23:10 | BoD[] | ohhh |
| 14:23:11 | Coldtoast | but if you spend the ~$20US on the 2200mah battery, you get around 29hrs playtime |
| 14:23:12 | BoD[] | I see :) |
| 14:23:23 | HCl | i paid 13 euro for my battery replacement |
| 14:23:29 | HCl | and that included shipping from hong kong |
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| 14:23:48 | BoD[] | i'll keep that in mind |
| 14:23:51 | HCl | :) |
| 14:24:22 | BoD[] | one thing I don't like about irivers is they don't have a wheel or something to navigate fast |
| 14:24:28 | HCl | mhm |
| 14:24:36 | BoD[] | it's a bit "old school" I think |
| 14:26:08 | BoD[] | hey where's the feature chart on the webpage again? |
| 14:26:32 | BoD[] | oh there it is :) never mind |
| 14:38:22 | alxcm_ | well i navigate fine on my iriver |
| 14:40:03 | HCl | i'm still working on being able to navigate my iriver properly |
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| 14:40:11 | HCl | mostly by adding a proper searchengine to rockbox |
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| 14:42:49 | BoD[] | well my files are organized like this : root/Artist/year - album/song |
| 14:42:55 | BoD[] | but I have a lot of artists |
| 14:43:23 | BoD[] | so when go to root it's on A... If I want to reach an artist in N |
| 14:43:24 | HCl | i have pretty much the same structure |
| 14:43:28 | BoD[] | i have to scroll a lot |
| 14:43:32 | BoD[] | which is not fast :) |
| 14:43:35 | HCl | yea, i'm planning to change that soon |
| 14:43:47 | BoD[] | maybe add a level for the letter |
| 14:43:51 | HCl | like, up/down = scroll, left/right = skip to previous/next letter in the alphabet |
| 14:43:55 | HCl | yea, exactly |
| 14:43:57 | BoD[] | oh |
| 14:44:00 | BoD[] | that's clever :) |
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| 15:50:05 | BoD[] | hi linus :) |
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| 15:58:10 | Slasheri | hi :) |
| 15:58:19 | HCl | hey slasheri |
| 15:58:19 | crwl | hi |
| 15:58:31 | * | HCl hasn't bought any chocolate products in ages |
| 15:58:35 | Slasheri | > 30C outside, here 18C in server room .) |
| 15:58:36 | LinusN | is it important for fwpatcher to support the 1.63 version of the original firmware? |
| 15:58:36 | ferenczy | hmmm, chocolate... ;) |
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| 16:09:13 | thegeek | I say no |
| 16:09:35 | thegeek | just inform the user that 1.65 is needed if there is no 1.63 md5sum |
| 16:10:14 | thegeek | and that if the user wants support for his specific firmware he has to send it to you;) |
| 16:10:41 | thegeek | I dont see how you/we should be the one(s) to hunt down all the variations |
| 16:13:33 | HCl | true |
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| 16:15:59 | LinusN | i have hunted down everything but the korean 1.63 |
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| 17:37:03 | Slasheri | Bagder: btw, i got the simulator code now working. Still doing some tests |
| 17:50:48 | Slasheri | Bagder: the wps is alive with simulator now! :) |
| 17:51:12 | Slasheri | interesting is that the codec seems to be pretty slow with pc :D |
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| 17:54:24 | BBub | the fwpatcher wont work with h110/115-firmwares yet, right? |
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| 18:04:17 | ferenczy | slasheri> it would be due to missing any special DSP in the PC... |
| 18:05:55 | ferenczy | my player runs at 80 MHz and [en/de]codes MP3s at bitrate 320 kbit/s |
| 18:07:07 | crwl | so does a PC, right? |
| 18:07:37 | crwl | well, provided with a fast MP3 encoder, that is. decodes, for sure. :P |
| 18:08:51 | ferenczy | it's not fast...it's optimized for sound processing (DSP = Digital Signal Processor) |
| 18:10:49 | crwl | well, i don't think the motorola coldfire in iriver players is considered a DSP |
| 18:11:46 | ferenczy | I don't know, I don't have any iriver ;) |
| 18:17:32 | crwl | well, my point was that the iriver can encode and decode MP3 files at bitrate 320 kbit/s, and so can do any usual PC with similar clock speeds |
| 18:17:35 | crwl | ... unless i'm totally mistaken |
| 18:20:06 | ferenczy | I have got player with a korean copy of Samsung's S3CC410 - it's an chip running at 100 MHz without or at 80 MHz with the 24bit integrated MAC DSP... |
| 18:21:05 | HCl | pff.. how corny for the both the main characters to die at the last episode of the anime i'm watching... |
| 18:21:18 | ferenczy | PC running at 80 MHz definitely cannot manage to encode MP3s at 320 kbit bitrate ;) |
| 18:21:47 | ferenczy | hcl> which anime? ;) |
| 18:21:51 | crwl | ferenczy, why couldn't it? |
| 18:22:02 | crwl | it's not like these portable devices are encoding with LAME |
| 18:23:57 | ferenczy | crwl> it's toooooooo slow ;) why don't you try it? ;) |
| 18:24:22 | crwl | ferenczy, i don't understand you |
| 18:24:37 | ferenczy | DSP is strongly optimized for audio processing - it work with an 24bit operands in one cycle... |
| 18:25:09 | crwl | are you claiming PC processors can't do that (and more)? |
| 18:25:45 | crwl | it's just that nobody has bothered to write and optimize a superfast (and probably, super low quality too) mp3 encoder to some crappy 90 MHz pentium because nobody uses those anymore |
| 18:27:05 | ferenczy | PC do it more "brutalforce", it doesn't have any special audioprocessing instructions...(i don't mean MMX instr. and so on) |
| 18:27:31 | HCl | ferenczy: samurai champloo |
| 18:27:34 | HCl | and they didn't die after all |
| 18:27:37 | HCl | it just looked like it |
| 18:27:41 | ferenczy | crwl> I don't think so... |
| 18:27:57 | ferenczy | hcl> ah so ;) |
| 18:30:19 | ferenczy | crwl> I claim that most of portable player's CPUs have better performance for audioprocessiong than older PC at same frequency....that's it |
| 18:31:29 | ferenczy | crwl> read over http://www.dspguide.com/ |
| 18:32:50 | crwl | ferenczy, that might be true, but i still claim that an old PC could theoretically encode a 320 kbps MP3 real-time, if someone bothered to create such an encoder |
| 18:34:33 | crwl | it would be quite useless, of course :P |
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| 18:35:52 | crwl | i've been playing random ogg files for about 4 hours now with my once-charged 2200 mAh battery, rockbox says there's 82% left |
| 18:35:55 | crwl | quite good |
| 18:38:02 | bagawk | rockbox lies on the iriver right now |
| 18:38:50 | crwl | ? |
| 18:39:47 | Slasheri | no, the remaining battery level indicator should be accurate |
| 18:40:01 | Slasheri | only the runtime is inaccurate with other than 128k cbr mp3s |
| 18:40:20 | crwl | yes, it should maybe be toned down a little |
| 18:40:40 | crwl | because i think nobody really just starts playing 128 cbr mp3's and leaves the player untouched then |
| 18:40:49 | Slasheri | i think i will correct that next week when i will take some power measurements from my iriver |
| 18:41:00 | crwl | it claims i still got more than 22 hours left :) |
| 18:41:07 | Slasheri | then it would be accurate with all type of codecs :) |
| 18:41:16 | Slasheri | hehe |
| 18:41:34 | crwl | i'd be very happy if i still got, say, around 15 hours with this type of usage, where i occasionally change tracks and fiddle with the player, just like i normally do |
| 18:42:09 | crwl | hm, i was actually happy even with the original battery. :P |
| 18:42:17 | crwl | but this if even better, of course, heh |
| 18:42:46 | Slasheri | i wanted a better battery before i start the civil military service (2 weeks to go :D) |
| 18:43:18 | crwl | "civil military" ;) |
| 18:43:35 | Slasheri | yeah, i am not sure how to say it in english ;D |
| 18:43:43 | crwl | well, me neither actually |
| 18:43:45 | Slasheri | but i think you got the idea :P |
| 18:43:47 | Slasheri | hehe |
| 18:44:14 | crwl | yes, i got... i got out a little more than a month ago myself :) |
| 18:44:31 | Slasheri | oh :) |
| 18:46:54 | crwl | so after those almost 13 months, i can actually do work where i get paid for :D |
| 18:47:35 | Slasheri | that's nice :) |
| 18:48:21 | Slasheri | after the training period i will be a sysadmin in a university the one year :D |
| 18:48:35 | crwl | bbbbrp |
| 18:48:46 | crwl | a dream job, kind of |
| 18:49:02 | crwl | university of jyväskylä? |
| 18:49:18 | Slasheri | yes, correct :) |
| 18:49:57 | crwl | heh, i'm going to begin my studies there next autumn |
| 18:50:14 | Slasheri | cool =) |
| 18:50:17 | CoCoLUS | so... any new insights on the auto-shutdown to prevent the battery from draining to much? |
| 18:51:43 | crwl | isn't there one already, or what? |
| 18:52:21 | CoCoLUS | well the question was if the battery has its own protection or if the firmware does it |
| 18:52:24 | Slasheri | Hmm, i think it has been measured that the hardware will cut off power before the battery level can drop below 3.0V |
| 18:52:36 | CoCoLUS | nice |
| 18:52:52 | crwl | aaaah, that |
| 18:53:14 | crwl | hm, my battery level is still at 82%, it was at 84% about one hour ago |
| 18:53:24 | CoCoLUS | though i don't understand why the original fw does it, then |
| 18:53:30 | CoCoLUS | if there's hardware protection anyway |
| 18:54:22 | Slasheri | CoCoLUS: i think the fw tries to prevent hdd spinup that way when the battery is too low. Rockbox should do that also |
| 18:54:44 | Slasheri | And it provides a nice way to shut down the unit with telling the user the battery is empty |
| 18:55:26 | CoCoLUS | yeah... i just asked because i noticed that the original fw did not start while rockbox was still going strong |
| 18:55:30 | crwl | and iriver's bootloader also has that nice "battery empty" picture it shows when you try to start it up when battery is empty |
| 18:55:33 | crwl | i've seen it once |
| 18:55:37 | CoCoLUS | at about 15 % battery, according to rockbox |
| 18:56:06 | Slasheri | 15%, rellay? |
| 18:56:10 | Slasheri | *really |
| 18:56:22 | Slasheri | it should be something like 0-3% |
| 18:56:26 | CoCoLUS | yep |
| 18:56:30 | Slasheri | interesting |
| 18:56:30 | CoCoLUS | rockbox status bar showed 15 |
| 18:56:38 | crwl | maybe the iriver fw is over-protective :P |
| 18:56:44 | Slasheri | yep :D |
| 18:57:28 | CoCoLUS | but, the battery indicator is somewhat unsteady, isn't it? |
| 18:57:55 | CoCoLUS | i noticed it going like 100-95-98-92-95... |
| 18:58:09 | Slasheri | yes, because it has far more higher resolution than iriver firmware (100 steps vs 5 steps) |
| 18:58:34 | Slasheri | the battery level will fluctuate depending on the player use |
| 18:58:56 | CoCoLUS | so my 15 percent experience might have been such a fluctuation |
| 18:59:05 | Slasheri | yes :) |
| 18:59:22 | CoCoLUS | but i'm sure it was at 15, i wanted to tune in to some fm station, well... battery empty screen :) |
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| 19:01:24 | CoCoLUS | slasheri, i have another feature suggestion btw, if you have an open ear? ;) |
| 19:01:50 | CoCoLUS | i think the default wps for the iriver should be replaced... is there any reason why only half of the screen is used? |
| 19:02:19 | Slasheri | that's a good idea, the default wps for iriver is really bad i think.. |
| 19:02:33 | CoCoLUS | well not bad, but... too short :) |
| 19:02:40 | Slasheri | yes.. |
| 19:02:49 | crwl | has the default font been changed already? |
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| 19:08:52 | CoCoLUS | hm... i think i'll do my first contribution to rockbox ever, and change that iriver default wps ;) |
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| 19:19:24 | Coldtoast | hey |
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| 19:20:15 | Coldtoast | just go thome from work and I'd taken my h140 with me. Noticed when I pause a track, it fades out then just befor eit pauses I get a short slight burst of sound |
| 19:23:17 | HCl | gee. i completely forgot that tv actually also has tv shows |
| 19:26:15 | Slasheri | Coldtoast: thanks, that will be fixed soon |
| 19:28:30 | Coldtoast | cool |
| 19:28:31 | HCl | oh, and there was someone reporting a crash when trying to play an empty playlist file, i think. |
| 19:28:51 | Slasheri | Hmm, that might be a wps related problem |
| 19:28:59 | Coldtoast | yep. that was Domonoky |
| 19:29:36 | CoCoLUS | hm |
| 19:29:39 | CoCoLUS | what's better |
| 19:29:44 | CoCoLUS | change the default wps |
| 19:29:47 | CoCoLUS | or change the default font? |
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| 19:30:46 | Slasheri | Coldtoast: fixed that pause thing |
| 19:39:57 | Coldtoast | ok |
| 19:41:08 | Coldtoast | hey. great tp see the next track update when using %s is fixed :) |
| 19:42:44 | HCl | bah... |
| 19:42:50 | HCl | i've seen futurama too many times |
| 19:42:56 | HCl | i know exactly what each ep is about :/ |
| 19:43:17 | Stryke` | no such thing as too much futurama |
| 19:43:26 | HCl | well.. |
| 19:43:32 | Stryke` | unless you know them by the little slogan in the beginning |
| 19:43:43 | HCl | i've seen all seasons at least 4 times.. |
| 19:46:22 | Coldtoast | cool Slasheri. much nicer |
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| 20:03:19 | MisticJeff | Greetings |
| 20:04:57 | MisticJeff | are we still looking for iriver firmware v1.65?? |
| 20:05:45 | CoCoLUS | slasheri? |
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| 20:06:49 | MisticJeff | Here's a link, hope fully what we need: http://service.iriver.co.kr/cs_view.asp?idx=481&page=0&p_name=H140D&SrchItem=&SrchString=&SrchProduct= |
| 20:08:30 | HCl | xD |
| 20:08:38 | CoCoLUS | every hxxx model has the same display, right? |
| 20:08:38 | HCl | futurama filmed on location |
| 20:08:46 | HCl | MisticJeff: i think it was 1.63. |
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| 20:15:32 | Rick | CoCoLUS: wouldn't the h3x0 have a different display, since it has color and all? |
| 20:15:58 | CoCoLUS | my mistake, that was supposed to read h1xx :) |
| 20:17:28 | Rick | oh, ok :) |
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| 20:42:00 | CoCoLUS | ah, linus |
| 20:42:26 | CoCoLUS | we were thinking about replacing the default wps for the iriver |
| 20:42:48 | CoCoLUS | with one using the whole display instead of only the upper half of it :) |
| 20:42:57 | LinusN | sure |
| 20:43:05 | CoCoLUS | what do you think about flol's? it's quite detailed... fitting for the rockbox poweruser, imho |
| 20:43:15 | CoCoLUS | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/WpsGallery/chamois.PNG |
| 20:43:20 | LinusN | where is it? |
| 20:43:32 | LinusN | hmmm |
| 20:43:40 | Coldtoast | I dislike that one myself |
| 20:43:53 | CoCoLUS | why? |
| 20:43:57 | Coldtoast | why no tmake the default one an image WPS? |
| 20:44:09 | Coldtoast | I mean, seeing as how there's support? |
| 20:44:20 | LinusN | Coldtoast: because we want the default to be plain and simple |
| 20:44:33 | Coldtoast | why can't an image WPS be plainand simple? |
| 20:45:04 | CoCoLUS | is the image support mature yet? or still experimental? |
| 20:45:08 | Coldtoast | http://www.3dluvr.com/edan/tmp/WPS.jpg is mine, for example |
| 20:45:44 | LinusN | first of all, we have 17 languages |
| 20:45:45 | CoCoLUS | nice, though i think the white on black text could be hard to read |
| 20:46:09 | CoCoLUS | good point linus |
| 20:46:18 | Coldtoast | ah yeah. I suppose for different languages. fair enough |
| 20:47:05 | LinusN | i think we should just extend the default wps with next-track info, file type and sample rate |
| 20:47:21 | LinusN | and maybe some more |
| 20:47:22 | CoCoLUS | well then you -have- flol's |
| 20:47:32 | MisticJeff | OK... firmware v1.63 available here: rasher.dk/rockbox/iriver-firmwares/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/iriver-firmwares/ |
| 20:47:52 | Coldtoast | I don't see the point of having remain, current AND length info myself either |
| 20:47:55 | CoCoLUS | that's what i like about it, it packs alot of details on it and is still quite readable |
| 20:48:14 | LinusN | MisticJeff: i have all of them except for 1.63k |
| 20:48:26 | LinusN | for h110 |
| 20:48:35 | CoCoLUS | but i guess finding a wps which everyone likes is quite impossible :) |
| 20:48:41 | Coldtoast | definitely |
| 20:48:57 | LinusN | CoCoLUS: yes, that's why the default hasn't changed since jesus was bord |
| 20:49:06 | Coldtoast | actually, dunno why I'm even saying anything cos I have my own WPS anyway |
| 20:49:17 | Coldtoast | heh |
| 20:49:27 | CoCoLUS | it's really a waste of space at the moment |
| 20:49:33 | CoCoLUS | half of the screen is unused |
| 20:50:34 | LinusN | CoCoLUS: yes, we need to extend it |
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| 20:51:15 | CoCoLUS | btw, maybe we should include some of the wps from the gallery into the release? |
| 20:51:33 | CoCoLUS | like the fonts |
| 20:51:49 | LinusN | maybe |
| 20:55:38 | CoCoLUS | well, i've got a patch ready that changes the default wps for the h1x0 series to a mod of flol's wps. if anyone is interested... if not, then not. :) |
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| 21:31:39 | lodesi | hi |
| 21:32:02 | lodesi | could someone explain me what's the overlay thing of the rockboy plugin? |
| 21:32:03 | lodesi | please |
| 21:34:13 | lImbus | Dunno. I think it's a virtual memory |
| 21:34:27 | lImbus | HCl should be able to explain it, tho |
| 21:34:30 | HCl | the overlay loads rockboy into the audio buffer memory |
| 21:34:40 | HCl | because it doesn't fit in the plugin space for archos |
| 21:35:13 | lImbus | so it's impossible to play rockboy while listening to music ? *duck* |
| 21:35:23 | lodesi | mmh.. the rb->get_audio_buffer() isn't enough? |
| 21:36:07 | lodesi | lImbus: actually, it's quite impossible even without music :) |
| 21:36:20 | lImbus | lol. y ? |
| 21:36:38 | lodesi | a little too slow :) |
| 21:37:01 | lImbus | a, well. I mean it should be possible on the iriver, isn't it ? not that I would own such a toy |
| 21:37:44 | lodesi | ah yes, sorry i own a recorder, so i'm talking about it |
| 21:39:01 | lImbus | me too |
| 21:39:07 | lodesi | HCl: ok, then if I do a copy/paste of rockboy's "archos.lds", everything we'll be alright? |
| 21:39:15 | HCl | i dunno |
| 21:39:22 | HCl | amiconn made the rockboy overlay stuff |
| 21:39:26 | HCl | i just own an iriver |
| 21:39:40 | lodesi | ok |
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| 21:43:16 | CoCoLUS | so... what about that rockboy dynarec? ;) |
| 21:43:54 | HCl | its more efficient to implement asm versions of the most time consuming functions |
| 21:43:57 | HCl | most likely |
| 21:44:00 | HCl | and if that doesn't work we can add dynarec |
| 21:46:15 | lodesi | HCl: you wrote rockboy? |
| 21:46:46 | Rick | *ported |
| 21:46:48 | Rick | and modified |
| 21:46:48 | Rick | :D |
| 21:46:55 | Rick | HCl is my heeeeero |
| 21:46:56 | * | Rick grins |
| 21:47:01 | lodesi | lol, ok :) |
| 21:47:31 | lodesi | the setmallocpos() is there to act as a free() function? |
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| 21:56:46 | ansivirus | can someone answer a question regarding the Archos JBR FM? I'm looking to get a car charger for it but don't know what the output of the adapter should be |
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| 22:04:47 | webguest23 | Slasheri: bug in file tree playback, player freezes/hangs when duing the transtion from last track to next album first track |
| 22:05:11 | webguest23 | mp3 files lame@aps |
| 22:06:17 | webguest23 | no crossfade |
| 22:08:16 | ghode|afk | sound's like hardeeps dept |
| 22:08:25 | ghode|afk | duing = during? |
| 22:08:38 | webguest23 | select last track in an album, FF, it then doesn't transition to next album first track |
| 22:09:53 | webguest23 | yes duing=during, thanks |
| 22:10:16 | alxcm | ansivirus: it should be labeled |
| 22:10:32 | Slasheri | webguest23: You have to have "Move to Next Folder" option enabled |
| 22:10:41 | webguest23 | it is |
| 22:10:45 | Slasheri | Hmm.. |
| 22:11:33 | Slasheri | do you have the latest bleeding edge? |
| 22:11:36 | Slasheri | FF works on me |
| 22:11:38 | webguest23 | yes |
| 22:11:56 | webguest23 | FF works ok |
| 22:12:06 | Slasheri | oh |
| 22:12:13 | webguest23 | its the transition to next track that fails |
| 22:12:25 | Slasheri | yes, now i got it :) |
| 22:12:25 | webguest23 | of the next album |
| 22:12:43 | webguest23 | :) |
| 22:12:51 | Slasheri | i really think that is not a problem with the playback code.. |
| 22:12:57 | Slasheri | maybe some wps issue |
| 22:13:27 | webguest23 | ok, so i change my wps to fix ? |
| 22:13:31 | Slasheri | hmm, it even crashes |
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| 22:13:44 | Slasheri | no, it's still a bug in the code |
| 22:14:14 | Dagless | hey guys |
| 22:14:17 | Dagless | and gals |
| 22:14:45 | Dagless | jus a quick question - has the runtime DB been implemented yet? |
| 22:15:22 | Dagless | im just playing with the WPS for the contest on mistic river and im curious if the rating and 'plays' things are actually worth using at this point |
| 22:17:09 | HCl | its partly implemented |
| 22:17:11 | HCl | rating and playcount work |
| 22:18:18 | HCl | ohh! can of energydrink |
| 22:18:22 | Dagless | do i need to do anything special (other than using the runtime tags in the wps) to use them? |
| 22:18:27 | HCl | yup |
| 22:18:31 | HCl | you need to generate a tag database |
| 22:18:36 | HCl | preferably using the java tool |
| 22:18:51 | Dagless | ahh right |
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| 22:23:45 | ghode|afk | HCl: just wondering, i remember you saying once that you dont need to be in idtag mode for files to generate player counts? |
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| 22:24:57 | Slasheri | webguest23: i think i can get it fixed :) |
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| 22:31:03 | webguest23 | great Slasheri, thanks |
| 22:36:21 | Dagless | hmmm this wps lark is hard, i think that Aru fellow has pretty much nailed it |
| 22:36:29 | Dagless | i cant think for my life how to best it |
| 22:36:32 | Slasheri | webguest23: fixed, i will commit now |
| 22:36:42 | webguest23 | :)) |
| 22:38:42 | HCl | ghode|afk: nope, you don't. you do need a tag database though. |
| 22:39:49 | ghode|afk | ok, got that and gather runtime data turned on |
| 22:40:04 | HCl | then it should work |
| 22:40:14 | ghode|afk | for some reason the playercount seems to reset though |
| 22:40:37 | HCl | then something is going wrong |
| 22:40:41 | HCl | did you use the perl or the java tool? |
| 22:40:43 | HCl | and how recent? |
| 22:40:59 | ghode|afk | java, just downlaoded it from the wiki 10mins ago |
| 22:41:02 | HCl | hm. |
| 22:41:04 | HCl | well |
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| 22:41:14 | HCl | you could take a peek at the logf log on the remote |
| 22:41:16 | HCl | see what it says |
| 22:41:32 | Bagder | they're not enabled by default |
| 22:42:02 | ghode|afk | ? |
| 22:42:43 | Bagder | HCl: can you run this on host now? |
| 22:43:10 | Bagder | hm |
| 22:43:14 | HCl | wha? |
| 22:43:26 | Bagder | the codecs/wps plays in the sim |
| 22:43:29 | HCl | ah |
| 22:43:32 | HCl | probably not yet |
| 22:43:44 | HCl | it needs a tiny bit of keeping account of endianness |
| 22:43:49 | Bagder | ...although not without trouble it seems |
| 22:43:54 | HCl | i'll fix that soon |
| 22:44:06 | HCl | aside from that it should run without trouble |
| 22:44:20 | Bagder | Slasheri: you tried playing mp3s using the sim? |
| 22:44:48 | ghode|afk | HCl: ok, it wasnt working with ogg, mp3 seems fine |
| 22:44:59 | HCl | hrm. |
| 22:45:10 | HCl | i'll investigate that later.. |
| 22:45:41 | Bagder | doing that shows a few interesting things: |
| 22:45:44 | Bagder | it plays too fast |
| 22:45:49 | Slasheri | Bagder: yes, it should "work" |
| 22:45:52 | Bagder | it writes the config sector VERY often |
| 22:46:04 | Slasheri | Bagder: of course, because there is no real audio output controlling the speed |
| 22:46:30 | Slasheri | Bagder: i think currently the files "play" waaaay too slowly on pc |
| 22:46:42 | Bagder | ? |
| 22:47:06 | Slasheri | Bagder: shouldn't they get decoded at the maximum cpu speed the host has? |
| 22:47:23 | Slasheri | or how the cpu speed is controlled in the simulator? |
| 22:47:43 | Bagder | the cpu speed isn't controlled at all in fact |
| 22:48:05 | Slasheri | ok, then the codecs are very slow on pc or there might be some other problems.. |
| 22:48:22 | Bagder | but why does it save the config sector so often? |
| 22:48:27 | Slasheri | with my P4 2.8 GHz the files play just about 2x realtime.. |
| 22:48:40 | Slasheri | I think they should play something like 100x realtime at least |
| 22:48:54 | Slasheri | i don't know |
| 22:49:23 | Slasheri | ok, 100x was too much.. But 20x should be possible |
| 22:49:42 | Bagder | it seems to save it once per second for the first ~7 seconds |
| 22:49:56 | Bagder | then I get a We open the real file 'archos/03 - History.mp3' log |
| 22:50:06 | Bagder | and it writes "Writing sector 3D" very fast |
| 22:50:10 | Bagder | numerous times |
| 22:50:13 | Slasheri | yes, that's weird.. |
| 22:50:17 | Slasheri | i get it too |
| 22:50:35 | Bagder | I suspect this reveals a target bug |
| 22:50:52 | Bagder | but I'll research further |
| 22:50:53 | BBub | is the bootloader v3 safe to flash onto the h110/115? |
| 22:51:00 | BBub | or did anyone have problems so far? |
| 22:51:21 | * | Zagor is troubleshooting the webserver. some downtime may occur. |
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| 22:56:08 | Zagor | Bagder: it was searching for the pid file location with a recursive grep in /etc/apache2. the problem is that dir also contains half a gig of log files. hence slow going... |
| 22:56:20 | Bagder | aah |
| 22:56:40 | Bagder | could you edit the path list it scans? |
| 22:56:47 | Zagor | i removed the -r |
| 22:56:52 | Bagder | ok |
| 22:57:02 | Bagder | are you running the full apt-get now then? |
| 22:57:06 | Zagor | yup |
| 22:57:15 | Bagder | I'm interested in seeing gcc 4.0 getting in |
| 22:57:41 | Zagor | yup, coming in a few minutes |
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| 23:01:00 | muesli- | re |
| 23:05:27 | BBub | <- running rockbox on the h110 ;) |
| 23:05:36 | BBub | the dimming backlight is so cool ;P |
| 23:05:36 | Bagder | neat |
| 23:05:39 | muesli- | congrats mate :D |
| 23:11:02 | Zagor | "Unicode is fun - you just have to define fun correctly." |
| 23:11:15 | Bagder | :-) |
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| 23:23:28 | HCl | oh pff... |
| 23:23:33 | * | HCl bites his game |
| 23:23:52 | muesli- | no pain no game :D |
| 23:25:24 | HCl | heh |
| 23:34:54 | Coldtoast | I wish when ppl posted images of their WPS online they'd take teh 5 secs required and convert them to JPG |
| 23:35:06 | Bagder | PNG is better |
| 23:35:19 | Coldtoast | anything that'll display in a webpage would do me |
| 23:36:27 | ze | jpeg is lousy for solid fields of color and thin high-contrast symbols and such |
| 23:36:47 | Coldtoast | you think? |
| 23:36:50 | ze | gif or png are appropriate, indexed png's often smaller than gif |
| 23:37:01 | ze | Coldtoast: its not a matter of what i think, its a fact |
| 23:37:01 | ze | heh |
| 23:37:09 | Coldtoast | http://www.3dluvr.com/edan/tmp/WPS.jpg |
| 23:37:12 | ze | jpegs are best for high-color complex images |
| 23:37:13 | Coldtoast | seems to look fine to me |
| 23:37:33 | Rick | zoom in |
| 23:37:37 | Rick | and see the needless dithering |
| 23:37:42 | Coldtoast | why would I want to zoom in? |
| 23:37:50 | Rick | You don't, that's not the point. |
| 23:37:56 | Coldtoast | these shots are so small you can leave em at max quality |
| 23:37:57 | ze | i've never seen a jpeg look that good for that type of stuff |
| 23:38:19 | Coldtoast | the point is tho why are ppl leaving them as bmp? |
| 23:38:33 | Rick | because the snapshot feature dumps to bmp |
| 23:38:39 | Coldtoast | laziness is the only reason |
| 23:38:39 | ze | i can see bmp in firefox on linux |
| 23:38:42 | ze | i dunno what doesn't support bmp |
| 23:39:08 | ze | i've only had issues with it with broken mime-types on the server |
| 23:40:20 | ze | also compare sizes (in bytes): |
| 23:40:23 | ze | 55136 WPS.jpg |
| 23:40:26 | ze | 7265 WPS.gif |
| 23:40:29 | ze | 5469 WPS.png |
| 23:40:51 | Rick | ze:what is WPS.png pngcrushed? |
| 23:41:03 | Coldtoast | ze: and....? |
| 23:41:10 | Coldtoast | heh |
| 23:41:38 | Coldtoast | then compare them to bmp, which ppl are uploading |
| 23:42:09 | Bagder | I bet a 1 bit bmp can be smaller than those jpegs |
| 23:42:46 | Coldtoast | probably actually |
| 23:42:53 | Bagder | yeah |
| 23:42:59 | Bagder | 2560 bytes plus header |
| 23:43:13 | Rick | hehe |
| 23:43:36 | Coldtoast | there's no way that's the reason ppl use bmp tho |
| 23:43:41 | Bagder | no |
| 23:44:59 | ze | heh |
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| 23:45:07 | ze | that png is indexed, saved in gimp with compression 9, nothing else |
| 23:45:14 | ze | i didn't run pngcrush on it |
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| 23:45:43 | BlackRiver | some one no if there will be an rockbox for iriver h300? |
| 23:45:52 | BlackRiver | know* |
| 23:45:58 | Rick | BlackRiver: Someone will eventually work on it. |
| 23:46:08 | Rick | ze: ah |
| 23:46:10 | BlackRiver | ok |
| 23:46:14 | Rick | pngcrush rocks :) |
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| 23:47:37 | ze | Rick: *shrug* usually for me it takes forever to make something thats only a few bytes smaller |
| 23:47:49 | ze | Rick: half the time it makes something thats bigger actually |
| 23:47:50 | ze | heh |
| 23:48:32 | ze | in fact almost always ends up bigger unless i use -brute which takes forever |
| 23:48:57 | Rick | ze: ah, I only use -brute on smaller images |
| 23:49:04 | ze | and thats when it gives me a few bytes difference |
| 23:49:05 | ze | heh |
| 23:49:35 | ze | well i usually don't even bother unless its like >=500K or so |
| 23:49:58 | ze | or maybe 300K, depending on what it is and whatall |
| 23:50:21 | Rick | ah |
| 23:50:35 | Rick | I usually pngcrush anything that is basically the final version of that is in png |
| 23:50:35 | ze | 5469 WPS.png |
| 23:50:35 | ze | 5213 WPS_crush.png |
| 23:50:40 | ze | heh |
| 23:50:41 | ze | thats with -brute |
| 23:50:44 | Rick | ah |
| 23:50:52 | ze | a whole 256 byte difference |
| 23:50:53 | ze | woo. |
| 23:50:53 | ze | :p |
| 23:50:58 | Rick | -brute -rem tIME -rem pHYs -rem gAMA -rem tEXt |
| 23:51:02 | Rick | my pngcrush options |
| 23:51:23 | ze | 5173 WPS_crush2.png |
| 23:51:26 | ze | hey bit better |
| 23:51:29 | Rick | yeah |
| 23:51:34 | ze | whole 296 byte difference |
| 23:51:34 | ze | :p |
| 23:51:35 | Rick | hehe |
| 23:51:42 | Rick | I'm all for that ;) |
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| 23:58:09 | amiconn | Slasheri: The somewhat 'slow' performance of the codecs in the simulator is on purpose |
| 23:58:49 | amiconn | The simulator sleeps (OS sleep) for 1 msec when a simulated yield() is issued, to prevent it running in a busy loop |
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