| 00:00:08 | austriancoder | need to go now.. my girlfriend is coming.. will be back in about an hour |
| 00:00:13 | Bagder | austriancoder: to make a firmware for the original firmware to like, we use the descramble, mkboot chain |
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| 00:00:42 | Bagder | hm, and scramble too in fact |
| 00:00:43 | Bagder | hehe |
| 00:00:46 | Bagder | how confusing |
| 00:00:58 | ac_away | found the it... http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot ;) There is the way to make it by hand |
| 00:01:11 | Bagder | ac_away: yes, but that makes a original firmware image |
| 00:01:19 | Bagder | that is only made to make a bootloader image |
| 00:01:25 | Bagder | not an ordinary rockbox image |
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| 00:01:55 | ac_away | memmem: maybe you could try to code a mkboot-clone for iaudio |
| 00:02:24 | ac_away | Bagder: Merge the firmware and the boot loader into a new firmware file - that is what i looked at the wiki page |
| 00:02:25 | memmem | First I have to research how the bootloader will look like. |
| 00:02:31 | amiconn | Meh, this also stuff simply doesn't work |
| 00:02:36 | amiconn | *alsa |
| 00:02:51 | ac_away | see you all later - i hope |
| 00:02:52 | Bagder | ac_away: yes, that's done to make an image that flashes the bootloader |
| 00:03:18 | Bagder | memmem: how will you start the bootloader if you don't have the reset vector to patch? |
| 00:04:57 | memmem | Badger: It seems to be two-staged. I'm waiting for austriancoder to get the BDM and send me the lower 64 KByte of the flash. Apparently, the firmware file starts at 0x10000, which seems also to be the entry point called by some code in the lower 64 KByte. |
| 00:05:00 | Bagder | amiconn: this is actually the OSS way, not alsa if I've understood things right |
| 00:05:19 | amiconn | I have a dev/dsp, but it doesn't play anything |
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| 00:05:28 | amiconn | xmms also hangs if I try to play sth |
| 00:08:08 | Bagder | how annoying |
| 00:08:41 | amiconn | Yes... as much as I like the linux idea, I still prefer windows |
| 00:09:05 | amiconn | I did not yet find a single box where I could get all hardware to work under linux |
| 00:09:17 | Bagder | well, possibly the same approach is easy enough to make work on Windows too |
| 00:09:32 | Bagder | amiconn: you create your box from the start with hw you know works ;-) |
| 00:09:49 | amiconn | Haha, how do I do this with a laptop? |
| 00:10:01 | Bagder | there are lists |
| 00:10:05 | Bagder | and info available |
| 00:10:29 | Bagder | I mean, for models that work fine |
| 00:10:44 | amiconn | Yes, but perhaps these models don' |
| 00:10:50 | amiconn | t fit my requirements? |
| 00:10:57 | Bagder | perhaps |
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| 00:11:29 | amiconn | I don't understand why this is so, but I think a linux workstation is as simple to use as a windows workstation for an average user... |
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| 00:12:16 | amiconn | ...but configuring linux properly so that everything works is extremely time consuming or even impossible with linux, even for a knowledgeable person |
| 00:12:42 | Bagder | yes |
| 00:12:51 | Bagder | but to me, there just is no other way |
| 00:14:27 | amiconn | I prefer to work with the PC, not for the PC... |
| 00:14:35 | Bagder | me too |
| 00:14:50 | Bagder | with Windows, Windows gets in the way |
| 00:15:11 | amiconn | For old windows, like 9x or even NT, you may be right |
| 00:15:19 | amiconn | Win XP just runs... |
| 00:15:28 | Bagder | it doesn't matter which to me, they're all the same |
| 00:15:32 | Bagder | just more icons lately |
| 00:17:49 | memmem | What version of GCC is to be used for compiling rockbox for ColdFire? 2.95? 3.x? |
| 00:17:51 | amiconn | I dare to say Win XP runs about as stable as a current linux |
| 00:18:06 | Bagder | amiconn: that's not my experience at all |
| 00:18:18 | Bagder | memmem: 3.3.x or 3.4.x all work |
| 00:18:45 | crwl | ...i dare to say that it hasn't really been a question of stability for years now, more like question of user interface and available tools to me |
| 00:18:48 | amiconn | I've never seen WinXP crash except in the rare case when there are very buggy hardware drivers |
| 00:19:00 | Bagder | it doesn't really crash, but things stop to work |
| 00:19:05 | amiconn | (but I think such an issue might crash linux as well) |
| 00:19:06 | Bagder | only to come back after a reboot |
| 00:19:07 | memmem | What's the target specification? m68k-elf? |
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| 00:19:40 | Bagder | memmem: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=CrossCompiler |
| 00:19:53 | amiconn | Bagder: As I said, I don't like MS that much, and I would use Linux if it would take a reasonable amount of work to get it all running |
| 00:20:09 | HCl | amiconn: hmm... my windows xp reboots every now and then, and it has several memory leaks, i haven't gotten it to run over a week without a reboot yet |
| 00:20:15 | amiconn | ...but that never worked for me in numerous tries, during several years |
| 00:20:15 | HCl | but yea |
| 00:20:19 | Stryke` | ever try one of the simple Debian-based distros? |
| 00:20:20 | HCl | its the most stable windows yet |
| 00:20:30 | memmem | Thanks! I followed the toolchain link, but that wasn't exactly helpful. |
| 00:21:07 | amiconn | Stryke`: I tried numerous SuSE's (way back in the low versions. The first had a kernel < 1.0) |
| 00:21:19 | amiconn | ...and debian itself, recently |
| 00:21:48 | Stryke` | i've installed Ubuntu on a sister's computer, she had little troubles |
| 00:21:49 | crwl | debian itself isn't a simple debian-based distro :) |
| 00:22:08 | amiconn | The majority of hardware works, but there are always those few but important things that don't work, and I can google as much as I want, I don't find the solution... |
| 00:23:19 | amiconn | ...like (in the past) AVM BlueFritz. Now we don't have that anymore, but I don't get WLAN to work... |
| 00:23:41 | amiconn | ...and I have no idea how to make ALSA work on my VM... |
| 00:24:22 | crwl | ALSA is a serious pain in the ass, but once configured (with properly working dmix plugin), it's really good |
| 00:24:40 | crwl | i hear that the configuring part has gotten significantly easier with newest versions |
| 00:24:42 | amiconn | The *once configured* being the big red key here! |
| 00:24:59 | crwl | configuring i mean involves adding stuff to ~/.asoundrc |
| 00:25:02 | amiconn | Old problems, *now* solved: Nvidia 3d graphics, nvidia network card.... |
| 00:25:37 | Bagder | of course Linux will remain having driver problems compared to Windows |
| 00:25:39 | Bagder | for a very long time |
| 00:26:01 | amiconn | Not necessarily... it all depends on vendor support |
| 00:26:03 | Bagder | since most drivers to Linux don't come from the manufactorers, as the win versions do |
| 00:26:19 | Bagder | yes but vendors will continue to not care for a good while longer |
| 00:26:31 | Bagder | my prediction |
| 00:26:35 | amiconn | For instance, the WLAN chipset of the problematic wlan card is supported by the chipset manufacturer in linux... yet I can't get it to work |
| 00:26:48 | crwl | i (having been a linux user for about 6 years now) have always had more problems with windows than with linux |
| 00:26:51 | memmem | Well, for my DSL modem, the Linux driver works much better than the Windows driver. |
| 00:26:57 | amiconn | I compiled the driver, without problem, it loads and finds the card... |
| 00:27:11 | amiconn | ...but I can't get the darn thing to connect to the AP. No way... |
| 00:27:27 | amiconn | In windows it is 2 clicks and it is working |
| 00:27:36 | crwl | when buying new hardware, i've always bought stuff known to work... and when you buy stuff known to work, it also works in linux straight away, not like after installing thousands of drivers and tools like in windows |
| 00:27:41 | Bagder | Linux problems I can fix, Windows problems tend to become huge and impossible to track |
| 00:28:13 | * | Bagder considers sleep |
| 00:28:22 | amiconn | crwl: If you have older hardware (= know to work) it is very likely supported in windows out of the box |
| 00:28:35 | Bagder | adding volume support to the x11 sim was a bit more work than I thought |
| 00:28:59 | amiconn | Bagder: I made the opposite experience. |
| 00:29:11 | crwl | amiconn, well, i didn't say older hardware, just hardware known to work without needing to install all sorts drivers from third parties, like sound or network or TV tuner cards... |
| 00:29:28 | crwl | i don't think my USB 2 controller still works at windoze |
| 00:29:39 | crwl | but that doesn't matter, because i only need my gamepad and FF wheel there :-) |
| 00:29:46 | Bagder | I guess it is partly a state of mind |
| 00:29:54 | Bagder | I just can't use windows |
| 00:29:59 | Bagder | I have to fix my linux problems |
| 00:30:05 | amiconn | Bagder: I don't think so |
| 00:30:25 | amiconn | I don't need windows for gaming, because I don't do gaming at all |
| 00:30:28 | Bagder | I'm in the corner, I either fix my linux problems or I go nuts |
| 00:30:37 | amiconn | I can use both, they're not very different |
| 00:30:53 | amiconn | ...but the huge difference is support |
| 00:31:03 | Bagder | support? |
| 00:31:10 | Bagder | you ever get support for windows? |
| 00:31:20 | amiconn | For windows, there is microsoft support, for linux, you have to be lucky |
| 00:31:23 | amiconn | Bagder: Yes. |
| 00:31:24 | Bagder | you mean from vendors? |
| 00:31:37 | amiconn | There is support.microsoft.com, which is very helpful |
| 00:31:42 | Bagder | I don't know a single person who ever contacted microsoft |
| 00:31:46 | amiconn | I did |
| 00:31:51 | Bagder | now I do ;-) |
| 00:31:51 | amiconn | ...at work |
| 00:31:57 | Bagder | _at work_ yes |
| 00:32:15 | amiconn | Theere must be a reason why our company runs about 2 dozen windows servers, but opnly one windows box |
| 00:32:22 | Bagder | you can buy support for linux too |
| 00:32:26 | amiconn | erm, one linux box |
| 00:32:44 | Bagder | a reason yes, but not against linux per se |
| 00:32:59 | amiconn | Even one of my colleagues who administered real unix systems before... |
| 00:33:00 | Bagder | our company runs most servers on linux |
| 00:33:02 | memmem | If I ever write code for rockbox: how do I get write access for CVS? |
| 00:33:19 | amiconn | ...says that many things are just done faster and easier in windows |
| 00:33:32 | Bagder | memmem: the normal procedure is that you send in a few patches first |
| 00:33:37 | memmem | OK. |
| 00:34:34 | Bagder | memmem: and when we see that you are a swell and good guy, we hand you the golden password and you're in |
| 00:35:25 | memmem | No paperwork à la FSF? |
| 00:35:30 | Bagder | nope |
| 00:35:53 | Bagder | you don't sign over your copyright either |
| 00:36:44 | Bagder | and of course, we'll expect you to be subcribed to the mailing list by then at least |
| 00:37:30 | memmem | I do not yet know how much I want to commit to working on rockbox; I already have three sourceforge projects. |
| 00:37:40 | Bagder | only three? ;-] |
| 00:37:42 | memmem | ...one of which being dead. |
| 00:37:54 | Bagder | let me count mine... |
| 00:38:11 | Bagder | 12 |
| 00:38:23 | memmem | I'm the sole developer on my SF projects. |
| 00:38:42 | Bagder | and several of my projects are not on sf |
| 00:38:52 | Bagder | hehe |
| 00:38:59 | memmem | Pissing contest? ;-) |
| 00:39:03 | Bagder | indeed |
| 00:39:29 | memmem | OK, I think I wrote about 2e6 LOC. |
| 00:39:46 | Bagder | memmem: still, we'll appreciate your contributions no matter how small they are |
| 00:40:10 | Bagder | 2 million lines? |
| 00:40:15 | Bagder | in three projects? |
| 00:40:35 | memmem | No, all projects (commercial etc.) of my lifetime, as estimated about 10 years ago. |
| 00:42:40 | memmem | wc -l ? ;-) |
| 00:54:04 | memmem | The NoDo doc says that recording WAV won't be implemented as "the recording hardware (MAS) does not allow us to do this." I think that's not true for ColdFire-based devices. |
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| 01:06:48 | austriancoder | memmem: any research news? |
| 01:07:27 | memmem | No. Setting up the tool chain. GCC 3.3.5 cannot compile rockbox, internal compiler error. |
| 01:07:41 | austriancoder | ah ok... |
| 01:07:51 | austriancoder | i will check now some more chips on the board |
| 01:07:58 | memmem | Great! |
| 01:08:10 | memmem | I like those M3 scans... |
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| 01:08:49 | austriancoder | i will also scan more stuff this night |
| 01:10:59 | austriancoder | memmem: have you an m3? |
| 01:11:13 | memmem | X5L 30 GB. |
| 01:11:45 | austriancoder | ah: audio chip: AIC23B 54T C1C7 -> same as M3 |
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| 01:14:59 | jpegreen | Does any body know which file in the source code that I would need to modify the %pf settings for the .wps file types to create my own design? |
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| 02:11:48 | amiconn | The internal scan frequency of the iriver lcd is indeed ~70 Hz (in greyscale mode). Sounds familiar. |
| 02:13:26 | ac_scanner | amiconn: what do you think, how long will it take to get the color api up? |
| 02:14:30 | amiconn | There are a lot of unknown variables... but I think once we know the lcd controller, it shouldn't take long |
| 02:15:03 | amiconn | I'm still thinking about getting a H3x0... maybe I should just do it |
| 02:15:17 | ac_scanner | i think i have found the lcd controller of the iaudio x5 |
| 02:15:33 | amiconn | Would be my 5th rock-box though... |
| 02:17:21 | ac_scanner | if i give you an image can yu help me to identify it? |
| 02:17:55 | amiconn | I could try. Just put the image(s) in the wiki |
| 02:18:16 | ac_scanner | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/IaudioX5HardwareComponents/lcd.jpg |
| 02:19:36 | BBub | oh, iaudiox5 is there as a new target for rb? |
| 02:20:33 | ac_scanner | yep |
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| 02:23:26 | amiconn | ac_scanner: Hmm. This is the whole lcd module, not the controller. |
| 02:23:46 | amiconn | Seems to use the same type of marking as the H3x0 lcd |
| 02:23:59 | amiconn | cf http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverH3XXHardwareComponents#LCD_Display |
| 02:24:32 | amiconn | H3x0: COG-IZ12049 X5: COG-IZ12066 |
| 02:24:52 | ac_scanner | hmm |
| 02:24:52 | amiconn | COG just means "chip on glass", so that doesn't say much |
| 02:25:10 | ac_scanner | if i had success to an broken iaudio |
| 02:25:34 | ac_scanner | maybe we can find here more: http://www.varitronix.com/index_ie.php |
| 02:25:52 | jpegreen | anybody know if there is a way to use iTunes to sync with your Archos Jukebox series? |
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| 02:43:51 | ac_scanner | i mailed vle... maybe we get some informations |
| 02:44:08 | amiconn | ac_scanner: The logo (left of the 'QC pass' text) looks the same for H3x0 and X5 lcd |
| 02:44:16 | amiconn | ...but it's rather blurry |
| 02:44:55 | ac_scanner | lets hope, that they use very similar controlers |
| 02:45:09 | ac_scanner | i am afraind to open the lcd module.. |
| 02:45:25 | amiconn | What's the resolution of the X5 lcd? |
| 02:46:07 | ac_scanner | 160x128 |
| 02:50:30 | amiconn | I would really like to see that logo without blur. |
| 02:50:47 | amiconn | It seems to be the only hint towards the (module) manufacturer |
| 02:50:54 | ac_scanner | i could try it |
| 02:51:03 | ac_scanner | photoshop could help here |
| 02:51:07 | amiconn | ...and that should help to find the controller manufacturer |
| 02:51:25 | amiconn | I already opened it in Photoshop (elements) |
| 02:51:34 | MrStaticVoid | i think that blurry logo is the VL logo |
| 02:51:44 | ac_scanner | but i can rescan it with about 2100 dbi |
| 02:53:17 | ac_scanner | i have mailed vl already |
| 02:53:38 | amiconn | "VL Electronics, member of varitronix international group" |
| 02:53:45 | ac_scanner | jep |
| 02:53:53 | ac_scanner | see my link abouve |
| 02:54:22 | ac_scanner | http://www.varitronix.com/index_ie.php |
| 02:58:14 | ac_scanner | it is VL or VB |
| 02:58:17 | ac_scanner | on the logo |
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| 03:00:13 | amiconn | The L might look like a B (or 8), because the logo shows the L in a 7-segment-like style |
| 03:00:52 | ac_scanner | ok.. so it is VL |
| 03:01:05 | ac_scanner | like printed on the module |
| 03:01:38 | MrStaticVoid | has anyone found full specifications for the lcd yet? |
| 03:03:36 | ac_scanner | not yet ;( |
| 03:04:09 | MrStaticVoid | i assume that's what you requested in the email then |
| 03:04:35 | ac_scanner | jep.. i asked if there is a public datasheet |
| 03:08:14 | * | ac_scanner will go now to bed |
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| 03:16:23 | austriancoder | back g |
| 03:16:23 | austriancoder | http://www.hitachi-displays.com/en/catalog/cellular_phones/2016427_18537.html |
| 03:17:42 | amiconn | Hmm, I'm on to something as well |
| 03:18:17 | amiconn | It seems Varitronix (sometimes) works together with IZ Display, a Korean company |
| 03:18:28 | MrStaticVoid | oooh |
| 03:18:38 | amiconn | The Numbers start with IZ, and both iriver and cowon are korean too... |
| 03:19:11 | austriancoder | so IZ Display could be the module company? |
| 03:19:53 | amiconn | Either way. |
| 03:20:17 | amiconn | There may be 3 manufacturers involved; panel, controller, and module. |
| 03:20:38 | austriancoder | and we know 2 of them |
| 03:22:49 | amiconn | http://www.iztek.co.kr/ |
| 03:24:12 | MrStaticVoid | its not a very useful site |
| 03:24:20 | austriancoder | hard to read |
| 03:27:39 | austriancoder | i think and hope that Varitronix can help us |
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| 03:45:18 | * | amiconn now has 7 shades of grey on his H1x0 lcd.... |
| 03:45:46 | * | CheeseBurgerMan has 262,000 colors on his H320. :P |
| 03:46:13 | amiconn | Haha, small wonder, that lcd supports 256K colors natively... |
| 03:46:29 | amiconn | ..but the H1x0 lcd only supports 4 shades natively... |
| 03:46:39 | amiconn | ...and I do have 7 now... |
| 03:46:57 | amiconn | ...it seems that I _can_ mix 4-grey mode and pixel flipping |
| 03:47:46 | amiconn | ....that might allow for up to 49 shades :) |
| 03:48:19 | CheeseBurgerMan | :) *CheeseBurgerMan snickers in the background as it's still very few compared to his... :P |
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| 04:09:41 | amiconn | 15 greyscales on the screen with my experimental plugin |
| 04:10:09 | amiconn | A bit flickery, but that's without random pattern shifting... |
| 04:10:31 | BBub | wont it consume more precious processing power? ;) |
| 04:10:51 | amiconn | Yes it does, that's why the greyscale lib is for plugins only |
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| 05:59:05 | ashridah | or possibly just some oggs in general. :/ |
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| 12:11:41 | austriancoder | morning |
| 12:11:58 | austriancoder | amiconn: any news about lcd controller? |
| 12:12:17 | amiconn | morning |
| 12:12:20 | amiconn | No, sorry |
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| 12:14:33 | austriancoder | time to eat something |
| 12:20:11 | amiconn | Very good news for H1x0 owners: The grayscale library is definitely possible on that LCD, and even in 4-grey LCD mode |
| 12:21:02 | amiconn | That means, it will support overlay operation like on the archos (having a 'high-greyscale window' and displaying normal 4-grey contents around it), |
| 12:21:14 | amiconn | and it will support up to 49 shades of grey |
| 12:21:30 | amiconn | ...with only ~10% CPU load |
| 12:22:18 | amiconn | The only drawback is that it requires to boost the CPU to 120 MHz permanently (to avoid flicker due to CPU frequency changes, not due to performance problems) |
| 12:23:02 | amiconn | ...of course thsi boost will only happen while actually displaying a greyscale overlay |
| 12:25:09 | amiconn | Perhaps it will even support 97 shades... |
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| 12:32:31 | memmem | Hi ac & amiconn, the LCD controller has two 16-bit registered mapped into the ColdFire memory space: a control register at 0x20008000 and a data register at 0x20008002. The screen memory seems not to be mapped. |
| 12:32:46 | memmem | (I'm talking about the iAUDIO X5.) |
| 12:33:07 | amiconn | The screen memory isn't mapped on any of the other lcd controllers |
| 12:33:19 | amiconn | LCD is controlled completely via i/o |
| 12:33:43 | amiconn | Sounds very familiar so far... |
| 12:33:54 | memmem | I think it uses 4 bytes per pixel. |
| 12:34:14 | amiconn | 16 bit means iAudio either uses only 64K colours, or they use one of the weird 16+2 bit modes |
| 12:34:37 | memmem | 4 bytes is 32 bits... |
| 12:34:40 | amiconn | ...meaning that using 4 bytes/pixel in memory wastes 14 bits per pixel |
| 12:34:59 | memmem | In memory, 3 bytes per pixel are used, but that's an implementation detail. |
| 12:35:42 | memmem | Here's a clue which might help in identifying the controller: When sending a command, it's shifted left by one bit. Ditto for the parameter. Sounds a bit unusual to me (who has no previous experience with LCD controllers). |
| 12:35:55 | amiconn | Yes, then it seems to work like the controllers I already read about |
| 12:36:10 | memmem | Any datasheets? |
| 12:36:54 | amiconn | (16 +2 mode needs transferring 2 words per pixel, and using 3 bytes in memory only wastes 6 bit per pixel) |
| 12:37:20 | memmem | Initialization seems to be complex, the firmware sends about 33 commands. |
| 12:37:28 | amiconn | http://www.epson-electronics.de/upload/PresidioIndustries/product/Semiconductors/LCDController-Driver/SingleChipTFTLCDDriver/S1D19105_TM_rev1_1.pdf |
| 12:37:42 | amiconn | This is the epson controller chip that might be the one in H3x0 |
| 12:38:02 | memmem | Thanks, I'll check the commands. |
| 12:38:46 | amiconn | All LCD controllers I've seen so far are very similar regarding controlling |
| 12:39:46 | amiconn | (archos recorder (solomon, b&w), player (another solomon, charcell), iriver (epson, 4-grey), iriver remote (tomato, b&w)) |
| 12:40:30 | memmem | This one seems to require some time between certain commands, the firmware does sleeps of various lengths during LCD initialization. |
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| 12:41:21 | amiconn | That's common |
| 12:41:40 | amiconn | The H1x0 LCD does need that too |
| 12:42:15 | memmem | Ugly. |
| 12:42:39 | austriancoder | memmem: good news |
| 12:42:49 | memmem | BDM? |
| 12:43:06 | memmem | BTW, there's another flash memory region not contained in the firmware file... |
| 12:43:18 | HCl | ping |
| 12:43:29 | HCl | well that seems to work.. |
| 12:43:30 | HCl | hi.. |
| 12:43:44 | austriancoder | memmem: i mean.. good news that you found out some important stuff about the lcd |
| 12:46:24 | amiconn | memmem: This was the reason why some people experienced weird lcd effects on H1x0 especially in inverse mode, before the init sequence was fixed |
| 12:46:43 | amiconn | The init requires 100 ms pause in one place |
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| 12:47:00 | austriancoder | re |
| 12:50:10 | memmem | Hmm, that Epson controller seems to need the data shifted left by two bits in 16-bit mode. |
| 12:51:23 | memmem | ...but who knows how the data bus is wired. |
| 12:52:09 | amiconn | It shifts the data itself, to get it expanded to 18 bits internally |
| 12:52:35 | amiconn | I already thought about the implementation of a H3x0 LCD driver, pretending the controller chip is an epson |
| 12:53:20 | amiconn | Actually it seems easier to implement the various graphics primitives in high colour than with bit-packed formats like b&w or 4-grey |
| 12:54:15 | memmem | The Epson controller expects to get the data in bits 2 through 9, whereas the firmware shifts left by one bit only. |
| 12:55:13 | memmem | (I'm talking about the commands and their parameters, not about pixel data.) |
| 12:55:18 | amiconn | The epson is actually a weird thing. It can operate in 8bit, 9bit, 16bit, full 18 bits, 16+2bit and 2+16 bits |
| 12:55:35 | amiconn | The command is always the upper 8 bits iirc |
| 12:56:06 | amiconn | 8bit and 16 bits mode only allow 64K colour, the other modes allow 256K colour |
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| 12:57:10 | amiconn | You'll probably need to find out how the data bus is hooked up to the lcd |
| 12:57:35 | memmem | The specs claim that the X5 has 1<<18 colors, but the firmware might well use less colors. |
| 12:57:46 | memmem | s/less/fewer/ |
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| 13:00:39 | memmem | The commmands sent by the firmware don't match the Epson commmands at all. Any other datasheets? |
| 13:01:07 | amiconn | no, sorry |
| 13:01:32 | memmem | I think it's not the Epson controller. |
| 13:04:54 | Slasheri | Hmm, do you know where the controller chip is located on the pcb? i think it should have some markings or manufacturer.. |
| 13:05:55 | Slasheri | or is the display just directly connected to cpu? |
| 13:06:17 | amiconn | Usually the lcd controller chip is part of the module |
| 13:06:30 | austriancoder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/IaudioX5HardwareComponents/lcd.jpg |
| 13:06:44 | austriancoder | backside of the tft-lcd |
| 13:06:49 | Slasheri | Ah.. then it should be possible to find out the manufacturer and directly ask from the manufacturer about that module |
| 13:07:25 | Slasheri | nice, there are some markings at least |
| 13:07:42 | amiconn | Module manufacturer and lcd manufacturer (of both X5 and H3x0 lcd) are very likely Varitronix and IZ Display) |
| 13:08:10 | amiconn | Varitronix is located in Hong Kong, IZ Display is Korean |
| 13:08:38 | Slasheri | for example i got specs for some hitachi graphics lcd in pdf form by emailing to them (those specs can't be found on net) |
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| 13:09:28 | bumi | hey guys |
| 13:09:35 | bumi | just came here to say Way To Go:D |
| 13:09:36 | austriancoder | how long did you wait for an answer? |
| 13:09:49 | bumi | 2 |
| 13:09:52 | bumi | :P |
| 13:09:58 | Slasheri | austriancoder: Hmm, i think it was something over a week |
| 13:10:39 | memmem | Any chance that the Hitachi is used by the X5? By looking at the datasheet I could tell... |
| 13:11:08 | austriancoder | because i send Varitronix a mail... but maybe we should resend a serious mail and ask for both lcds |
| 13:11:47 | Slasheri | yes, that might help. And if possible, try sending / faxing the message with a company name |
| 13:12:21 | austriancoder | i dont own or work in a company |
| 13:12:47 | amiconn | Maybe Linus could do that... |
| 13:12:52 | Slasheri | Hmm, somebody who works in a company should probably try that.. |
| 13:15:01 | austriancoder | i think that linus is our man |
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| 13:16:36 | Moos | Hi guys |
| 13:18:08 | austriancoder | hi |
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| 13:53:04 | jamesshuang | hey everyone, just curious... is there any documentation for the internal rockbox bitmap format? |
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| 14:26:04 | Lear | slasheri: new dsp code commited. I'll stick around for a while in case there are problems... :) |
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| 14:51:05 | Lear | slasheri: hmmm... are track changes coming a bit early now? not sure yet, but... |
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| 14:57:20 | Acksaw | Hey all |
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| 14:59:16 | Acksaw | my keyboard and mouse are both packing up |
| 14:59:51 | ashridah | had enough of the drunken beatings? :) |
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| 15:02:48 | Acksaw | more than likely |
| 15:03:43 | textchimp | so rockbox is working pretty nicely on the i120 |
| 15:04:01 | ashridah | damnit. anyone feel like poking at an .ogg i've got that refuses to play in my iriver? |
| 15:04:12 | Acksaw | AFAIK it works |
| 15:04:18 | textchimp | except that it hangs when it tries to turn itself off after the specified auto-off time....anyone else getting that? |
| 15:04:21 | Acksaw | I hae a h320 so I wouldnt know =D |
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| 15:08:30 | Enjoyman | hello folks :) |
| 15:08:35 | Lear | ashridah: chained? :) |
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| 15:09:00 | Enjoyman | hey Lear thanks for your DSP rework |
| 15:09:20 | ashridah | lear: i don't think so. |
| 15:09:28 | ashridah | other oggs from the same source work okay. |
| 15:09:53 | Enjoyman | i've got a little question for Slasheri/Lear the professionals of playback :) |
| 15:10:12 | Acksaw | cant wait for new h300 rockbox fw (if they do make it) |
| 15:10:28 | Lear | enjoyman: dsp.c is just a small part of the playback, so don't expect too much. :) |
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| 15:10:31 | ashridah | lear: give me a few, and i can upload one. |
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| 15:11:08 | Lear | ashridah: Yeah, I could throw my ogg parser on it, and see what happens... |
| 15:11:33 | Enjoyman | Slasheri/Lear: i know it's "very easy" for you to add to playback the peak calculations, no? |
| 15:11:51 | Enjoyman | for the peak meater |
| 15:12:23 | Enjoyman | no? |
| 15:13:11 | Enjoyman | Lear, no? |
| 15:14:47 | ashridah | well, like i say, it'll take me a while, being on dialup and all |
| 15:14:50 | Lear | Doesn't sound too difficult, no... Probably something for the firmware part though, and it would eat some CPU, no doubt about that. :) |
| 15:16:56 | Enjoyman | Lear: is it in your competences, to add this calculations, if ar'nt needed much time? |
| 15:17:02 | Enjoyman | :) |
| 15:17:25 | Lear | well, I need to know what the peak meter needs before I can judge that. :) |
| 15:18:00 | Enjoyman | ok |
| 15:18:56 | Enjoyman | i assume guys like amiconn, Bagder... know this concept for the first Rockbox players |
| 15:19:50 | Enjoyman | peak meter is very usual :) |
| 15:25:06 | amiconn | Part |
| 15:25:10 | | Part amiconn |
| 15:27:16 | Enjoyman | Lear: i don't find documentations for you about peak meter :( |
| 15:27:48 | Lear | mas spec sheet says very little about it, but reading the peakmeter source gives some hints... |
| 15:28:05 | Enjoyman | true |
| 15:28:49 | ashridah | Lear: okay, give ashridah.customer.netspace.net.au/01.%20Midlife%20Crisis%20(Faith%20No%20More">http://ashridah.customer.netspace.net.au/01.%20Midlife%20Crisis%20(Faith%20No%20More).ogg a poke |
| 15:30:58 | Lear | Foobar says it all: three chained streams. Playback currently not possible... |
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| 15:33:32 | ashridah | odd. wonder why some streams from the same source are okay, and that one isn't. |
| 15:33:42 | ashridah | ah well |
| 15:33:46 | Enjoyman | Lear: I'm sure that if one of you 2 (with Slasheri) begin to look in the peak calculations, this way will be very easy for the other :) i hope in you :) |
| 15:34:16 | Enjoyman | but apear Slasheri don't be here :( |
| 15:34:32 | Enjoyman | for currently |
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| 16:06:34 | Slasheri | Hmm.. maybe i could look that peek thing soon.. :) |
| 16:07:08 | Enjoyman | Hi Slasheri :) |
| 16:07:10 | Slasheri | Lear: nice! i will check that soon :) |
| 16:07:12 | Slasheri | hi :) |
| 16:07:27 | Enjoyman | thanks for all |
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| 18:16:39 | KasKaraK | Hi |
| 18:18:39 | KasKaraK | I wanted to submit a little bug here as it is the way to do (wiki say "use the mailing list or irc" :) ) |
| 18:18:53 | KasKaraK | somebody interested ? |
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| 18:37:17 | BBub | what is it? |
| 18:37:38 | KasKaraK | it's about "space left on disk" as reported by the info menu |
| 18:37:47 | KasKaraK | maybe not a big bug |
| 18:38:03 | Asku | i thes vorbisgain going to be supported in the rockbox? |
| 18:38:06 | Asku | is the |
| 18:39:37 | BBub | KasKaraK: you are right, its wrong |
| 18:39:41 | BBub | Asku: no idea |
| 18:40:08 | KasKaraK | I have 89Mo left, and it say 8.9Go |
| 18:40:13 | Asku | ok |
| 18:40:42 | KasKaraK | I wanted to open a bugtrack but wiki say not to do this with "development code" |
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| 18:43:04 | XavierGr | Hello! |
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| 19:11:40 | XavierGr | how can I print the compilation text to a file? I use the '>' operator but the errors are not included there |
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| 19:19:15 | lodesi | XavierGr: replace your '>' by '2>&1>' |
| 19:19:28 | lodesi | if you're on linux :) |
| 19:19:42 | XavierGr | lest see |
| 19:20:48 | XavierGr | no didnt work, thanks anyway |
| 19:21:04 | XavierGr | I use cygwin by the way |
| 19:21:07 | XavierGr | so... |
| 19:21:07 | Slasheri | make >file 2>&1 |
| 19:21:14 | XavierGr | hmm... |
| 19:21:53 | XavierGr | thanks Slasheri that worked! |
| 19:21:57 | Slasheri | good :) |
| 19:23:35 | thegeek | the "2" is output sterr, so what it does is that it redirects the errors into the standard output |
| 19:24:08 | thegeek | right Slasheri? |
| 19:26:34 | XavierGr | I thought that the simple > is output to file |
| 19:26:46 | thegeek | it is |
| 19:26:47 | XavierGr | I dont know all these 2 and &1 operators at all |
| 19:26:58 | thegeek | 1 is normal stdout |
| 19:27:03 | thegeek | 2 is sterr |
| 19:27:06 | thegeek | or something |
| 19:27:12 | thegeek | dont quite remember the names |
| 19:27:16 | thegeek | when you just do > |
| 19:27:29 | thegeek | you only redirect the "1" part of the programs output |
| 19:30:33 | * | XavierGr is linux ignorant :( |
| 19:31:23 | thegeek | well |
| 19:31:26 | lodesi | mmh..didn't knew slasheri's syntax :) |
| 19:31:28 | thegeek | I don't think most people know |
| 19:31:34 | thegeek | even those that know linux a bit |
| 19:32:28 | lodesi | thegeek you're right,but sterr=stderr |
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| 19:33:35 | thegeek | ah |
| 19:33:36 | thegeek | yes;) |
| 19:33:41 | Slasheri | thegeek: yes |
| 19:33:57 | Slasheri | 3 is stdin |
| 19:34:17 | Slasheri | and & is required because 2>1 would just redirect error messages to a file named 1 |
| 19:34:33 | thegeek | yes |
| 19:34:55 | thegeek | I have not used it much, only in a few shellscripts here and there |
| 19:34:56 | thegeek | ;) |
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| 19:37:24 | XavierGr | implicit declaration of function `remote_tree_init' does this means that I have not declared the function? |
| 19:38:11 | Slasheri | yep, or included it in a define |
| 19:38:23 | Slasheri | but if linker fails too, it really is undeclared |
| 19:38:46 | XavierGr | I get a warning |
| 19:38:59 | XavierGr | and the simulator dont work as expected |
| 19:39:05 | XavierGr | I will try to remove the warnings |
| 19:39:17 | Slasheri | if everything builds ok, despite the warning, then the declaration is missing from a header file |
| 19:39:26 | XavierGr | why isnt there a main.h file |
| 19:39:29 | XavierGr | ? |
| 19:39:35 | Slasheri | there should not be |
| 19:39:43 | Slasheri | you have to create your own header file |
| 19:39:59 | Slasheri | something like remote-tree.h (if your source is remote-tree.c) |
| 19:40:10 | XavierGr | yes I got it |
| 19:40:29 | XavierGr | and #include 'remote-tree.h' from main.c right? |
| 19:40:37 | Slasheri | and then you will include that remote-tree.h everywhere you call that function |
| 19:40:42 | Slasheri | (including remote-tree.c) |
| 19:40:52 | Slasheri | yes, but " instead of ' |
| 19:40:58 | XavierGr | including the .c too? |
| 19:41:03 | Slasheri | yep |
| 19:42:02 | Slasheri | (i mean that you should #include "remote-tree.h" in the remote-tree.c too, not the .c file itself ;) |
| 19:42:31 | XavierGr | ah ok because I got a bit confused there |
| 19:44:46 | XavierGr | how can I reproduce the warnings? Because after 1 compilation which it gave me all the warnings now every time I 'make' I dont get them. Is this expected? Maybe I will change a file a bit and resave it. |
| 19:45:07 | XavierGr | yes the last did the work |
| 19:45:48 | Slasheri | touch remote-tree.c |
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| 19:54:00 | XavierGr | strange! |
| 19:55:59 | XavierGr | I have declared the function remote_tree_init in remote-tree.c (included the remote-tree.h where I declare the dunction) and in the main.c where I call remote_tree_init (included the remote-tree.h) I get the same implicit error! |
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| 20:01:30 | Slasheri | what you have in remote-tree.h? |
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| 20:06:55 | XavierGr | the exact content of tree.h but with changed function names to refer into the remote-tree.c (which is the same with tree.c with changed function names to refer to the remote) |
| 20:07:24 | XavierGr | the problem might be multiple references of functions or variables. I will do it again another time |
| 20:07:30 | Slasheri | Hmm.. you should have the remote_tree_init there |
| 20:07:51 | XavierGr | well I have declared it in remote-tree.h |
| 20:08:14 | Slasheri | and in the beginning #ifndef _REMOTE_TREE, #define _REMOTE_TREE ... |
| 20:09:06 | XavierGr | do you think that tree.c must include remote-tree.h or is it irrelevant? |
| 20:10:35 | XavierGr | well...no time for that today I will try again tomorrow. I am dying for proper remote support!! |
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| 21:17:10 | west-acre | hey just got back from hols. wots bin hapnin in rockbox over like the past two weeks? the major things? |
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| 21:22:56 | west-acre | for iriver? anyone? please... |
| 21:23:07 | west-acre | ok ill check the logs :P |
| 21:31:28 | Slasheri | Hmm, the peak meter is working |
| 21:31:35 | Slasheri | it was easy thing to do.. maybe i will commit soon |
| 21:31:40 | BBub | nice |
| 21:31:53 | KasKaraK | congratulation ;) |
| 21:31:57 | Slasheri | :D |
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| 22:00:39 | Slasheri | Hmm, it's not yet working as expected.. :P |
| 22:00:56 | Slasheri | how should i calculate the current peak from the sample stream? |
| 22:02:51 | Slasheri | i need calculate an average? |
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| 22:18:12 | webguest44 | ok is there a way to shuffle ALL songs, not just the ones in a directory? |
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| 22:25:57 | Coldtoast | yep |
| 22:26:16 | Coldtoast | create a playlist in the root and enable shuffle |
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