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#rockbox log for 2005-07-19

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00:08:02LinusNwho did the recording code for iriver?
00:08:22LinusNi have some questions about it
00:08:47stripwaxLinusN - what does cvs say? wasn't that 'american coder'?
00:08:59HClaustrian >.>
00:09:17stripwaxLOL yeah, what I meant to type!!
00:09:43stripwaxhang on, austrian or australian? fortunately, also goes by the name 'ac' ..
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00:18:50jpegreenLinusN: Would you take a look at this forum and tell me if its possible... I know you are one of the developers so your opinion would be greatly appreciated.
00:19:04webguest02hubble worked on recording
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00:22:19stripwaxjpegreen - note that it's not currently possible to have TWO pieces of aligned text on the same line in the wps (i.e. you cannot currently have a left-aligned component and a right-aligned component on the same line). Unless I've missed some wps coding efforts ;-)
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00:23:23jpegreenActually anyone out there that may know the answer to this puzzle that I am working on please take a look at this forum:
00:23:34jpegreenThank you Stripwax
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00:25:42jpegreenI had thought about that while thinking this up and asked B4dger if a align justify %aj tag would work on the player his response was NO but I typed that image out to explain what I wanted... It could all be aligned left just as long as the static time and the time remaining wer displayed.
00:25:42LinusNjpegreen: there is a patch that allows multiple alignment codes, if that's what you want
00:26:26LinusNaha, studio...
00:26:49jpegreenLinusN: That would be helpful but I think that it wouldn't work on the Studio
00:27:00memmemMrStaticVoid: I've compared the HD66773R datasheet to the the original iAUDIO X5 firmware and everything except for one bit makes sense. I think we hunted down the correct controller. Shall we ask the manufacturer of the display for the electrical and timing specs or shall we just take the numbers from the original firmware? (Original initialization code available on request.)
00:27:04jpegreenWould it?
00:27:26LinusNjpegreen: well, you have two lines
00:27:37LinusN11 characters each
00:28:43LinusNso if you want both current time and track time that will be 8 characters
00:28:55LinusNleaving 3 characters for the progress bar
00:29:12jpegreenYeah and the Existing %pf takes advantage of the two lines by compressing the time stamp and the progress bar horizontaly. have you looked at the forum?
00:29:13LinusNnot much of a progress bar if you ask me
00:29:49stripwaxwould be better to alternate track length and time remaining, imho
00:30:22LinusNjpegreen: "compressing horizontally"?
00:30:42stripwaxLinusN - you've read that forum page?
00:30:51LinusNstripwax: yes i have
00:31:21jpegreenThe Track/Artist./Whatever is sll taking up the top lilne, while the time and the progress bar are are made to fit into the lower line of characters
00:31:22HClwhy haven't any users made me a good skin that has rating and playcount on it yet ;x
00:31:46LinusNjpegreen: like this? "3:24###1:23"
00:31:47BBubHCl: why not create it yourself?
00:31:49stripwaxHCl heh.
00:31:53HClBBub: lazy :P
00:31:58BBubanyone with a little paint/notepad-knowledge kann do it
00:32:02HCli'm not good at skin and html stuff like that.
00:32:13HCli usually let normal users do that for me
00:32:25jpegreenLinusN: Take a Look Here:
00:32:36LinusNjpegreen: i am reading that page
00:33:15LinusNjpegreen: is this what you want? "3:24###1:23"
00:33:27LinusNwhere ### is the progress bar?
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00:33:59jpegreenDo you have a studio series unit?
00:34:07LinusNyes, 2 of them
00:34:30jpegreenOkay the progress bar is under the time stamp.
00:34:46LinusNhow? you only have 2 lines on the display
00:35:20jpegreenThe time stamp is written smaller
00:35:34LinusNwritten smaller?
00:35:48LinusNit is a *character" lcd, not bitmap
00:36:35jpegreenHold on I am going to write you a .wps file copy it and paste it into your text editor and then save as a .wps then put it on your studio and take a look for your self.
00:37:59jpegreenYeah I know its a "character" Not a "Lcd" thats why I am asking how it might be done... Otherwise I would have already done it.. LOL
00:39:20jpegreenLinusN: Here you go try this in your player and see what I am talking about first hand... %s%?it<%it|%fn> - %?ia<%ia|%d2> - %?id<%id|%d1>
00:39:51jpegreenThe %pf is the entire second line everything else is the first line
00:41:40*stripwax doesn't have a studio but is now intrigued how %pf currently puts time and progress info into one line..
00:42:02jpegreenI hope you don't think that I am being rude. This is just a nice puzzle for me and I don't get puzzled that often and when I do I get pasionate.... Sometime s that comes of as rude...
00:42:18jpegreenSee Stripwax isn't that odd!
00:42:34jpegreenI feel like I just have to know how they did that?
00:43:15stripwaxLinusN - wanna let the cat out of the bag? (so to speak..)
00:43:19LinusNthe lcd has 8 user definable characters
00:44:24stripwaxLinusN - how is 8 enough?
00:44:31LinusN4 are used for the time display on the left and 2 more for the progress bar to the right of them
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00:44:54stripwax- or can they just be redefined continuously...
00:45:01LinusNstripwax: exactly
00:45:06stripwax... neat..
00:45:16jpegreenOh AH ha!
00:45:34jpegreenThanks LinusN that just made my day!
00:45:41LinusNif we want to extend it, we would need more than 8 user defined chars...
00:45:56stripwaxwhat are the other two used for?
00:46:43stripwaxif we had free reign we could use 3 for time on the left, 3 for time on the right, and two for progress bar = 8
00:47:17LinusNthe time display takes 4 chars
00:47:44jpegreenYep X:XX I see what you are saying
00:48:15stripwaxLinusN -right but M:SS could be compressed into 3 chars, no? narrower font
00:48:39stripwaxe.g. M: in one char
00:48:57jpegreenThat would be really hard to read? don't you think?
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00:50:10jpegreenSo the 8 characters is a non negotiable limitation... No way of getting around it?
00:50:20LinusNunfortunately not
00:50:33stripwaxjpegreen - don't know. don't have a studio so I don't know how large each character is. I'm guessing 7x5 matrix, you can do a readable digit in three pixels
00:51:37LinusNalso don't forget that there are tracks that are longer than 9 minutes
00:51:43stripwaxor maybe do M in one char, and :S S in the other two, using a smaller font for the digits for seconds. makes more sense anyway.
00:51:54stripwaxLinusN well how does that currently work if you only have four chars for time?
00:52:06LinusNi didn't say we only had 4
00:52:14LinusNhis example used 4
00:52:42jpegreenIf you saw the existing lay out you would see what I mean... Its at the point right now where its just readable you can't take it any smaller.
00:52:46LinusNi have yet to try a >60 minutes file
00:52:47stripwaxLinusN - ugh, I misunderstood what you meant. and you hadn't answered my "what are the other two used for" question earlier..
00:53:00stripwaxLinusN ?? 99 minutes
00:53:15LinusNthe 8 characters are dynamically allocated for the RockLatin engine
00:53:45LinusNstripwax: the time display is based on hours, minutes and seconds
00:54:14jpegreenSo LinusN the most it will show is 1:39:00 but in the form of 99:00
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00:55:00HClyes. well. goodnight o.o.
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00:58:50jpegreenActually LinusN I just tested an 8:53:00 audio book and it showed it just like that.. I am about to test a 26:34:00 audio book and see what it does...
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00:59:01LinusNjpegreen: the most it will show is H:MM:SS
00:59:44LinusNand then i don't know how the bar will look like
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01:00:55LinusNh:mm:ss will work fine, but i'm not sure how hh:mm:ss will look like
01:01:32jpegreenabout like this :-) "HH:MM:" LOL
01:02:59jpegreenIt still allows you to see that you are into the double digit hours like that. and if you are listening to a track that long who cares about the Seconds.
01:03:12LinusNdoes the bar look ok?
01:03:53BBubLinusN: is there a place where i could read a little bit more about what gain/volume on the iriver recording mode are exactly doing?
01:03:56jpegreen The bar itself looks fine
01:05:38LinusNBBub: the source code and the uda1380 data sheet
01:07:18LinusNtime to go to sleep
01:07:23jpegreenLinusN: Ooops at 21:45:XX it disapears then starts again at the begining of the left side? any Idea why 21:45:XX that seems quite odd..
01:08:07LinusNthe progress bar needs 2 characters
01:08:29LinusNhh:mm:ss needs 8
01:08:52LinusNso it needs all in all 10 characters to display it correctly
01:09:04LinusNand there are only 8
01:09:27LinusNthe two ":" characters can be shared
01:09:43LinusNbute we are still one character short
01:10:05jpegreenYeah... but why 21:45:SS and not 24:00:ss or for that matter 10:00:SS LOL seems a little arbritrary doesn't it... :-)
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01:10:40jpegreenOh well the Idea was a good one but it just won't fly...
01:11:17jpegreenD&^%*&^ those physical limitations... Grr
01:11:34LinusNjpegreen: start saving for an iriver :-)
01:12:21jpegreenI already am! with the smae number of players as you I am looking forward to a new piece of hardware.
01:12:56jpegreenHave you done any Hardware Hacks on your Players?
01:13:06LinusNnot many
01:13:16jpegreenHD size increase?
01:13:25LinusNserial port for debugging
01:13:31jpegreenBoth of mine are 40GB
01:13:34LinusNlarger hd
01:13:51LinusNbdm connection on a h120
01:14:03LinusNwhite backlight on my rec20
01:15:48jpegreenI made the changes before I had even started looking for changes to the firmware or any other websites with tutorials. LOL Then I found several once I started looking thought I had an original Idea... Doh I was so nieve LOL
01:16:05jpegreenWhite Back light sounds Nice
01:16:44LinusNmuch better visibility
01:17:00jpegreenI always thought a blue one on the player would be nice... Is that possible?
01:17:01LinusNhaven't tried it on a studio though
01:17:26LinusNshould be possible
01:17:41jpegreenI think I will give it a try
01:18:18LinusNwell, i gotta sleep
01:18:37LinusNnite all
01:18:39jpegreenOkay Gnight... Thanks for your Input...
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01:31:18austriancoderhi all
01:36:15austriancoderdoes anybody know, what unit IRAMSIZE has?
01:36:29HCldon't look at me...
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01:37:45austriancoderi need to know this, before i can continue my *.lds patch
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02:06:17HClshell jails innocent people cause they refuse to sell their land to shell
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02:41:46austriancoderdoes anybody know some video codec wich used integers only?
02:58:52austriancodernight all
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03:28:16jamesshuangso... can anyone point me in a direction for how the internal rockbox bitmap format is stored?
03:28:38jamesshuangI'm trying to get started in rockbox programming, but the entire thing is rather poorly documented.... :-p
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07:56:24napgravyHi there - quick question that perhaps one of the devs can answer... Is it my
07:56:42napgravyimagination or does v4 of the iriver bootloader keep the LCD on when plugged in via USB?
07:57:02napgravyI don't recall v3 doing that but I can honestly say I'm not paying too much attention to the display when plugged into USB...
07:57:51napgravy(LCD backlight that is..... :)
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08:10:09napgravyGotta go - its after midnight here. I'll check the IRC logs later if anybody can confirm the backlight thing in bootloader v4.
08:10:18napgravyKeep up the good work and thanks for Rockbox! :)
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08:26:28LinusNwow, he didn't even bother to read the IriverBoot page
08:28:34LinusN"Known bugs: The backlight is always on in USB mode"
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08:46:40amiconngood morning :)
08:49:13LinusNwow, gotta reboot, cu soon
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08:56:33LinusNmakes me feel all warm inside:
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09:27:10amiconnLinusN: Any schematics for the H3x0 yet?
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09:27:43amiconnAlso, could you perhaps tell me in advance when you intend to work on the H3x0 bootloader?
09:28:05amiconnMaybe I should really try to get hold of a H3x0 before, for LCD hacking...
09:28:16LinusNin advance?
09:29:37amiconnYes, to allow me getting a H3x0 in time...
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09:51:27amiconnLinusN: Did you check whether we stay within LCD specs (high pulse width) when removing the 'nop' from the loop and increasing the wait cycles instead?
09:52:12amiconnIt might be that this isn't the case. Iirc nop synchronises the pipeline and may take several cycles, not only 1
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09:52:49LinusNamiconn: that's what i saw too
09:53:02LinusN3 cycles
09:53:09amiconnYes, up to
09:53:42LinusNboy, do i miss the 6502...
09:54:08amiconnA single-cycle nop that doesn't influence the pipeline is 'tpf'
09:54:39LinusNactually, i really missed a 1-cycle nop in the 6502, it's 2 cycles
09:54:57LinusNthing to prefer?
09:55:03amiconn'trap false', a trap that is never taken
09:55:40amiconnThis can be used as one-cycle nop, and as a 'shadow' for a short else path, saving one bra
09:56:16amiconntpf.w and tpf.l take parameters which they don't use...
09:56:48LinusNbut they are fetched
09:57:35amiconnCFPRM.pdf page 148
09:57:38LinusNlike we used the BIT instruction in the 6502 days
09:57:51LinusNamiconn: beat you to that
09:58:44LinusNi'll measure with a tpf this evening
09:58:46amiconnThis is officially documented...
10:00:41amiconnMaybe the mnemonic is trapf / trapf.w / trapf.l instead, that's what MCF5249UM.pdf mentions
10:04:10LinusNtrapf works
10:07:29amiconnI already thought a bit about a colour lcd driver
10:08:17amiconnThe good thing with >= 1 byte/pixel is that we don't have to worry about packed pixels orientation, so *we* can decide what monochrome bitmap format to choose
10:08:56amiconnMy suggestion is to simply keep the format we already have for archos and H1x0. Makes reusing fonts etc easy...
10:09:30amiconnThe only monochrome format that is different so far is the player gfx library format, and playergfx doesn't use fonts
10:09:50LinusNi agree
10:10:09LinusNi better start drawing schematics then...
10:10:34amiconnI will prepare some #defines and function declarations for colour
10:11:07amiconnSchematics will be helpful, we'll need the hookup of the data bus to the lcd at least
10:11:35amiconnIt seems the colour lcds can be hooked up in more variable ways than monochrome
10:13:11LinusNthe sad part is that we don't have a naked h300 pcb
10:13:35*LinusN heads on to misticriver
10:13:51amiconnPerhaps checking a disassembled H3x0 firmware will tell us what we need.
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10:19:28LinusNamiconn: disassembling might help us a great deal
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10:46:16amiconnLinusN: If I commit my colour lcd preparation, compilation for h3x0 will fail badly :(
10:46:29LinusNwho cares? :-)
10:46:36amiconn...because h3x0 includes lcd-h100.c for whatever reason
10:46:52amiconn"conflicting types for blah"
10:49:45LinusNthen have it include lcd-h300.h
10:50:17amiconnThat does not yet exist... but I added a workaround in SOURCES for now
10:50:35amiconn...selecting the lcd driver based on LCD_DEPTH
10:51:07amiconnThis leaves H3x0 (and X5) without lcd driver at all until it is written
10:52:20amiconnWe might get away with a single driver for both H3x0 and X5 if they're similar enough
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10:54:21ep0chwhat's the screen size of the ihp, 160 x 128?
10:54:47amiconnWhich iHP?
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10:55:01ep0chohh yeah the 1x0 series
10:55:19amiconnYes, 160x128
10:56:03ep0chthe unreleased iAudio M5 is a grayscale 160x128, so maybe that is the same LCD as the 1x0 too
10:56:36amiconnWe already have one multiple-use lcd driver, and that is the recorder one
10:56:41LinusNwould be cool
10:56:54amiconn...not counting the various recorders, because they're identical lcd-wise
10:57:48amiconnThe recorder lcd driver is also used for the Ondios (same controller and panel, but mounted flipped) and the gmini 1xx series (same controller, but different panel - 128x64 instead of 112x64)
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11:57:02webguest98in recent builds gapless has become less gapless, or is it my imagination ?
11:58:34*HCl stretches
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12:11:05SlasheriHmm, btw is it also possible to fix the hd powerdown problem in the usb bootloader mode? When i use that mode from linux and disconnect the usb cable, i think that the hd does immediately after that an emergency shutdown and will restart shortly. Windows users has not that problem because windows tells the hd to spindown before disconnecting the cable
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12:12:11amiconnSlasheri: Hmm?
12:12:24amiconnI never tell windows anything before pulling the cable...
12:13:38SlasheriAh, interesting. If i click that icon on the tray to safely disconnect the device, windows will spindown the hd. But i almost never use windows
12:13:56SlasheriWithout spinning down the hd, you can hear the "click"
12:14:12amiconnYou don't need to safely remove if you have set it to 'optimize for fast removal'
12:14:19Slasherii think that is caused because power to hd is cut when it was still spinning, and it's not a good thing
12:14:25amiconnThen windows won't do write caching
12:14:53amiconnI don't get the click, although I get the spindown...
12:14:55crwlsame thing happens in linux if you use "sync" as a mount option, i think
12:15:45Slashericrwl: hmm, nice. i might try that :)
12:16:01Slasheriamiconn: Hmm, i always get the click :/
12:16:06LinusNstrange, i haven't experienced that
12:16:15Slasheribut i didn't get that with earlier boot loader versions (version 1 at least)
12:18:19Slasheriand the click is pretty strong, i can feel it well if i keep the player on my hand while disconnecting the cable
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12:19:20LinusNhmmm, it's hard to handle this correctly
12:19:37LinusNthe boot loader reboots after usb mode
12:20:16LinusNand the hard drive power port pin is reinitialized
12:21:11LinusNand it is deliberately set to OFF by default
12:21:40SlasheriAh, hmm.. would it be possible to spin down the hd before restarting?
12:21:41LinusNsince it would spin up before the Hold check turns the device off again
12:21:59amiconnThe click should only happen if the HD has not parked the heads when power is cut.
12:22:02LinusNSlasheri: yes, that's probably a better option
12:22:15amiconnIt auto-parks after a short time without accesses
12:22:18SlasheriLinusN: nice :)
12:22:44Slasheriamiconn: that's true
12:22:51Slasheribut generally i don't wait that long a time
12:23:18amiconnLinusN: How do you force the on-site builds to continue when they encounter an error?
12:23:26LinusNmake -k
12:23:41Slasheribut the hd might still put the emergency parking current to the heads if the disk was spinning
12:24:31HCloh.. oops...
12:24:36HCli had my iriver plugged in all night
12:24:41HClon usb mode
12:24:47HClwithout it being in the charger..
12:25:08HCland it constantly being accessed
12:29:55LinusNinteresting, the same click is heard when usb:ing with the original firmware
12:29:57HCljust 60% battery drained
12:32:26ep0chLinusN: suggestion for fwpatcher.exe, could you add version info to the GUI please?
12:35:01Learargh, win32 simulator yield doesn't work well... :/
12:35:02LinusNgood idea
12:35:45Leardoes the x11 one work well? I'd guess so, if sound playback works... :)
12:35:57amiconnAll non-guesswork things for colour LCD support fixed now :)
12:36:37LinusNregarding the boot usb mode, i now vote for not adding the spindown
12:37:21LinusNthe reason is that after usb mode, the entire ata driver must be reinitialized
12:37:35LinusNand that can fail
12:37:39LinusNfor some reason
12:37:44amiconnYes, but why not power off the disk by default?
12:37:57LinusNamiconn: huh?
12:37:58amiconnYOu could check whether it's a cold boot or not...
12:38:33amiconnLinusN: The problem is that restarting the bootloader powers off the HD, because it simply reboots
12:38:39LinusNyesi could, but every thing i add to the boot loader has a potential bug in it
12:38:50LinusNi want it as simple as possible
12:39:04amiconn...and HD power off by default is a good thing, because you have to detect the lock switch position(s) first
12:40:08amiconnOtherwise holding PLAY would spinup the disk over and over
12:40:28LinusNthe boot loader powers off the drive by default
12:40:48amiconn..and that causes the problem when rebooting
12:41:04amiconnWe could use the same mechanism as rockbox itself
12:41:11amiconnRockbox doesn't reboot after USB
12:41:34LinusNyes, i can add lots of intelligent handling
12:41:42amiconnWhy lots?
12:41:49LinusNbut i don't want an intelligent boot loader
12:41:56amiconnThe mechanism is there, and I think it's sufficiently simple
12:42:03LinusNi want it simple, robust and foolproof
12:42:11amiconnI still wonder why that define is called USB_REALLY_BRAVE
12:42:45amiconnI can't find anything brave in doing that. I think it's the natural way of handling it, rebooting is lame...
12:42:45LinusNthat dates back to the time when i first implemented the usb handling
12:44:35amiconnThe bootloader needs some intelligence to make it foolproof. The HD power handling is such an example
12:44:42LinusNthe boot loader usb mode is intended as a last resort when the boot loader can't load rockbox
12:45:05ep0choops, i used boot loader usb all the time :s
12:45:12LinusNme too :-)
12:45:29amiconnYes I know what it is intended for, but it's also the most convenient way when you just want to access the iriver via USB
12:45:43amiconnFirst plug in USB, then power on
12:47:13amiconnThere are 2 solutions I can think of (1) Don't reboot, just re-init the ATA driver like the USB thread does in main rockbox (2) Add cold boot detection
12:47:32amiconnImho (1) would add less complexity and points of possible failure than (2)
12:48:30ep0chhmm should the backlight really come on when lock is switched off?
12:48:57amiconnep0ch: It's implemented that way, so yes
12:55:03amiconnLinusN: Or rather, the ata driver doesn't need to be re-inited when returning from bootloader USB, it needs to be inited because you don't need to init it before USB mode
12:55:40LinusNyes i need to init it
12:55:43LinusNbefore usb
12:55:54LinusNbecause otherwise the ata reset signal is active
12:56:07amiconnAh ok.
12:56:23LinusNit works now, btw
12:56:27amiconnThe expected build completion time estimation seems to be always too optimistic :(
12:56:40LinusNi pull the usb cable and boom! rockbox is there :-)
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12:59:32Learhm... why won't the win32 simulator enter the wps screen? anyone who knows?
12:59:50LinusNLear: iriver?
13:00:10Learyes, but I doubt it is specific to that model...
13:00:15LinusNyes it is
13:00:25Learbut you don't know why?
13:00:31LinusNyes i do
13:00:43LinusNthe playback simulation isn't implemented in windows
13:00:50LinusNit works in x11
13:01:18Learwhat do I need for that to work - except for porting the x11 sound.c, which I've already done. :)
13:01:56LinusNcodec loading, for instance
13:02:17Learbut there are simulator functions for that, afaik...
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13:03:08austriancoderhi all
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13:03:13LinusNLear: for windows?
13:03:16LinusNaustriancoder: hi
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13:04:24Learit appears so; and in fact, with some hacking I managed to get the sim to enter the wps, but that was an ugly hack...
13:04:47LearAnd I've used the simulator to test the dsp.c code (again using that ugly hack), so it should work alright...
13:05:11Learbut when I try to make a "proper" version of the hack, it doesn't work... :/
13:05:20LinusNaustriancoder: archos has 4k IRAM
13:05:55LinusNLear: windows isn't exactly my field of expertise...
13:06:26LinusNaustriancoder: were you ever able to use the fm radio?
13:07:21amiconnaustriancoder: On archos, the IRAM is used in the core only, not for plugins
13:07:40austriancoderLinusN: yeah... until i changed some stuff in i2c and fm part
13:08:37LinusNhow did you do with the sound output?
13:08:53LinusNdid you route it in the 1380 or in the cpu?
13:09:18austriancoderi think i have routed it to 1380, but i am not sure anymore
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13:10:22Learhm.. logf says audio_start, followed by audio_stop about 1 second later...
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13:17:58austriancoderLinusN: first try of the lds-patch - i havent compiled it...
13:18:45LinusNi think DRAMORIG_STUB is misleading
13:20:08austriancodertell me how to fix it, and i will do it ;)
13:20:17austriancoderamiconn: thanks for color lcd work ;)
13:20:32LinusNaustriancoder: and this is really wrong:
13:20:53LinusNshould be IRAMORIG
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13:21:52Learah, needed to change sim_sleep as well...
13:22:14LinusNaustriancoder: you could do like this:
13:22:53austriancoderthats much nicer
13:23:07austriancoderhave you looked also at the changes in config-xx.h?
13:24:05austriancodershould be IRAM : ORIGIN = IRAMORIG, LENGTH = IRAMSIZE_APP
13:24:26LinusNthis doesn't look correct:
13:24:27LinusN+#define IRAMSIZE_PLUGIN 0x10000
13:24:28LinusN+#define IRAMSIZE_APP 0x18000
13:25:06LinusNplugin len should be 0x8000
13:25:11LinusNand app len 0x10000
13:26:25austriancoderi will fix it and show you a new patch
13:27:51LinusNgotta go now, bbl
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13:28:01austriancoderhmmm.. could do this for h3xx and x5
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14:02:16tksuwhen starting original fw from remote (with rec on) the orig fw starts but quits with "hold" message when hold is on in the main unit
14:02:47tksushould i add this to the wiki?
14:03:32ashridahtksu: hold 'play' a bit longer
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14:03:59tksuah, okay :)
14:04:07ashridahit's an issue rockbox's bootloader can't deal with easily, since the player assumes that the main unit was the one that had the 'play' button pressed if the remote has already turned off
14:04:19ashridahs/turned off/ been released
14:04:55tksuah, of course.. just couldn't find that in the wiki.. i may be a bit blind
14:05:12tksuthanks again :)
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14:08:23webguest57when can we expect the iriver h300 firmware?
14:08:35webguest57i see taht youre down to 3 errors
14:09:07ashridahwebguest57: that doesn't necessarily mean that the bootloader is working, or that the firmware has lcd support yet
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14:09:18west-acrehey ppl.
14:09:26west-acrejust wondering about a possible feature
14:09:36west-acre"clear playlist"
14:09:44west-acreatm there's only remove
14:09:47west-acreint there ?
14:09:57west-acrein iriver n e way
14:10:09Coldtoastyou can create a playlist from scratch but not while playing a track
14:10:37Coldtoastonly in stopped mode
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14:11:59west-acrei know you can create a playlist. but like to clear the whole playlist.
14:12:25Lost-ashwest-acre: just pressing 'play' on an item via the browser starts a new playlist
14:12:27elinenbeaustriancoder: how is the iaudio port coming?
14:12:41west-acreo kewl
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14:13:21austriancoderelinenbe: rockboxs basic stuff should work... next steps are
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14:13:34elinenbeaustriancoder: do you have an LCD driver already?
14:13:41austriancoder(1) paly with mutlimeter to check at which pin is what connected
14:13:58DBUGEnqueued KICK west-acre
14:13:58west-acre•Lost-ash• wot so pressing play on a track clears the playlist and adds that track|s to a new playlist? not on my iriver :S
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14:14:03austriancoder(2) connect bdm
14:14:14austriancoder(3) wirte bootloader
14:14:37austriancoder(4) beginn to write drivers for buttons, lcd and audio stuff
14:15:36elinenbeso yuo have quite a bit of work! ;)
14:15:39elinenbegood luck!
14:16:18austriancoderbig parts are done.. as iriver and iaudio use both a coldfire cpu
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14:17:21elinenbeyeah.... don't a bunch of the other players as well?
14:17:35austriancoderthere are some
14:17:40austriancoderiaudio M3 too
14:18:48]RowaN[are there any plans afoot to support non-silent ff/rw operations? (like in the original iriver firmware)
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14:28:49LearWhile forwarding, I don't think the audio needs to be paused, as it only shows the new time, doesn't it?
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14:34:25ShebbHi all
14:36:34ShebbI am pretty dodgy on audio programming. I normally sit at the GUI end of anything.
14:37:46ShebbMixing 2 signals together is simply a straight add right? But what do I do when I start exceeding the max amplitude?
14:37:49ShebbThanks for any help
14:38:59ZagorShebb: if you just add, you will double the signal strength too. so no, it's not quite that easy.
14:40:18Shebbyes, thats what I understand
14:40:37ShebbSo how do you stick several signals together?
14:42:02ShebbI have built a step sequencer and I am trying to render out a beat
14:42:36ShebbIt works well for 1 line but I have run into problems on the mixing part
14:43:59Zagoryou need to scale down the mixed signal
14:44:25Zagorhowever i'm not the expert on this so you need help from someone else :-)
14:44:48Shebbhehe, well I am just after a quick fix for now
14:45:42Zagorwell a REALLY quick&dirty would be to add/OR the samples and then shift the mixed sample down one or two bits...
14:46:04Shebbguess I might do that then...
14:46:09Zagorprobably sound like crap, but enough to continue working on the rest of the stuff
14:47:10ShebbDo you know of any library that does a good fixed point...
14:47:24Shebbone where it all maxes out at 1
14:47:48ShebbI heard there was one that was optimised for the coldfire
14:47:48Zagorno. generally fixed-point solutions are handmade, since their purpose is performance
14:48:29ShebbYeah, I remember seeing one linked in one of the IRC posts I just lost where it is...
15:00:47ShebbHmm... dividing each channel by sqrt(n channels) seems to be one way round
15:01:00Shebbthe extremes still get through though
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15:39:21*west-acre want to be preglow
15:39:28LearYay! Music playback works in the Win32 simulator!
15:39:33preglowyou shouldnt, i'm on a 28k8 modem
15:39:44LearStill some kinks to work out, like stop and then play doesn't work too well... :)
15:40:22preglowthat's extremely nea
15:41:34west-acreooo nasty. im on 2mb :D
15:42:13preglowi used to be on 100mbit...
15:42:57west-acrewot........your kidding?
15:43:09west-acreu do mean one hundred mega bit ?
15:43:16preglownah, im not
15:43:41Zagorwest-acre: net connectivity is pretty good here in sweden
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15:44:48Zagoroh, preglow is in norway. guess you're fine there too then. :-)
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15:45:19preglowespecially around universities
15:45:31Zagorahh, but that's cheating ;)
15:46:12LearYay! Now I can stop and start playing another song. Should be ready for checkin soon (some debug cleanup to do).
15:46:20LearBut that will have to wait a while...
15:46:29LearOther things to do... :)
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15:50:59preglowShebb: if you're reading the logs, you need to divide by the number of sources you're mixing to always be guaranteed no clipping, but the mixing ratio really should be used-defined, clipping is sometimes wanted
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17:41:45XavierGrhi all!
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19:10:46rooomishZagor, pls (UART boot mod) - I saw your pictures ( - which wire is TX and which RX?
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19:13:29Coldtoasthi guys
19:13:38Coldtoastjust got home from work and I took my h140
19:14:05Coldtoasttrack skipping is a bit rough with the latest build
19:18:43Slasherihmm, with or without crossfade?
19:18:48Slasherii will look it if i have time..
19:19:13Coldtoastthere's a couple of thiongs that happen
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19:19:42Coldtoastsometimes, just before the track changes, you get a burst of higher pitched audio
19:19:46Coldtoastthen it switches
19:20:21Coldtoastor sometimes you get a little glitch, like a tiny dropout, it plas aof ra little bit more than changes
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19:21:02Coldtoast"like a tiny dropout, it plays a little bit more then changes"
19:21:29Coldtoastwhen it does that, it keeps playing for a second or two before changing
19:21:46Slasherigood, i think that all might be caused by one single bug.. i will try to find it
19:21:57webguest56gapless is less gapless with latest builds
19:22:37webguest56no crossfade selected
19:22:59Coldtoastoh. and when it does start the new track, a bunch of times playback begins about 3 secs into the song
19:23:17Coldtoastthat's about it. heh
19:23:42Slasheriwebguest56: Hmm, vorbis is still gapless but i think the problem is caused when switching between different codecs
19:24:06webguest56I only use mp3 LAME@aps
19:26:27Slasheri"nice", it finally crashed.. something is really wrong with the pcm buffering..
19:27:32*rooomish is away: but will read the the log :-)
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21:02:44amiconnLear: You're Magnus, I presume?
21:07:33amiconnI'm wondering about your latest commit. It compiles here without warnings, but I'm pretty sure it didn't at the time Bagder and me reworked some simulator functions
21:07:58amiconn(Using gcc 3.3.3 on cygwin back then)
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21:35:56Learamiconn: correct.
21:36:21SlasheriColdtoast: i _think_ i get it fixed. Please verify soon when i commit :)
21:36:36Learamiconn: I only know it didn't work that well; .playlist_control was often set as read only, which is a bit annoying...
21:37:55SlasheriColdtoast: no i didn't.. the problem is still there
21:38:13Learbtw, didn't someone have problem with audio in the x11 simulator? only 5-6 chunks played, and then no more audio?
21:38:55amiconnYes, that was me...
21:39:09amiconnI tried it in cygwin-x11
21:39:36amiconnI also tried it on linux, but didn't manage to get audio working at all in my linux vm
21:40:37SlasheriColdtoast: now i think i got it ;)
21:41:01Slasheriit was buffering & cpu boost issue
21:41:21Coldtoastok. will do
21:41:25SlasheriColdtoast: i just do final testing and then you could try it too :)
21:41:35Learwell, I had win32 simulator working fine earlier today, but when I try to make it ready for commit, I see that problem...
21:44:33Learthe codec keep filling the buffers at least...
21:57:27SlasheriColdtoast: committed
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22:08:33tourist08seems, as if more and more users would like to have the "clear playlist" feature
22:10:05tourist08is there no one around who can program this little feature?
22:12:10tourist08found a further menu by pressing the A/B button for a few seconds
22:13:06tourist08does someone know what this menu is still under development?
22:13:17Coldtoastit's teh context menu
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22:13:20tourist08the fonts and aligment is still buggy
22:13:39Slasherii would like to add the record button to "add file to playlist" and in playlist viewer "remove file from playlist"
22:13:51Slasherithen long press could do the actual record function (in the future)
22:15:50tourist08good idea, but don´t forget the clear-playlist feature, that clears the whole playliste while playing :-)
22:16:17Coldtoastexcellent work Slasheri
22:16:29ColdtoastI even fast skipped "randomly" back and forth
22:16:45Coldtoastwhile it was buffering too
22:17:11Coldtoastno glitches
22:18:05LearOdd, made a small change that actually made it work again; could be that, could be something else... :)
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22:23:33SlasheriColdtoast: nice :)
22:27:56Coldtoastwhen I go to the gym tomorrow, I'll give it a thorouhg testing but right now, looks like the issues are gone
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22:31:00tourist08will there be cue-sheet support like used in foobar in near future. I think it would be great.
22:31:28tourist08i´ve got to much "one-file-mixes" with cue files
22:32:47tourist08or is there a program for splitting these files and still having gapless playback with rockbox?
22:33:11belgarathi'm doing a battery test at the moment, and am wondering if rockbox automatically shuts down the player when battery level reaches a certain point (live iRiver firmware)?
22:37:45Coldtoastrockbox drains the battery lower then the iriver firmware
22:39:20Coldtoastmy battery had dropped to 5% according to rockbox so I decided to test the iriver fw but the player locked and I had to reset. heh
22:41:32tourist08i let the iriver go down to 0% last friday but i got no auto shut down :-)
22:43:09belgarathmaybe i'll turn off when it gets to 10%
22:43:32tourist08thought it was implemented, but it seems that it wasn´t
22:43:45belgarathhow easy is it to switch the molex connectors when installing a 2100mAH ipod battery?
22:43:46Coldtoastone thin gyou'll notice is the battery drains faster the lower the %
22:44:33Coldtoasti.e. the time it takes to go from 100% to 80% is much higher than the time it takes to go from 30% to 10%
22:44:45belgarathi just started a battery test to see what life I can expect from my codecs and bitrates in general use
22:45:31belgarath61% left (9h 54m) with runtime at 5h 16m
22:45:54belgarathso hopefully should be close to iRiver estimated time of 16 hrs
22:46:25Slasheribelgarath: that's only with 128k cbr mp3 files..
22:47:13belgarathyeah i know
22:47:14Coldtoastwhat I'm going to do is next time my player is fully charged, I'll reset the timer in rockblx and start playing then leave it
22:47:35FebsI did a similar test. Results are posted here:
22:47:41belgarathbut what i am saying is that it is looking like i will get around 12hrs with 200kbs vbr mp3 files
22:47:49Slasherii got something over 17h with that type of files (17h 45min if i recall correctly)
22:47:52Coldtoasteventually it'll power off and when I charge it again, I can check the rockboc runtime and see how long it lasted
22:48:22FebsI got 13h 40m playing mostly LAME aps.
22:48:25belgarathslasheri: does rockbox automatically power off if the battery gets too low?
22:48:37tourist08does the volume level affect the runtime?
22:48:37Slasheribelgarath: nope, hardware does that
22:49:41Coldtoastany of you into Mechs? heh
22:49:49belgarathwhen does it power off because users have noticed that sometimes the battery gets so low that the player will run in rockbox but not iRiver firmware
22:51:16Slasheribelgarath: that's true, rockbox can be booted with lower battery level than the iriver firmware
22:51:22Stryke`people still use the iriver firmware? ;-)
22:51:37belgarathlol well only for wma files and radio atm
22:52:19belgarathi was just wondering in case i will damage the battery by running it completely down until power is automatically shut off
22:52:32tourist08still forgot that there was a iriver firmware :-)
22:53:36Slasheribelgarath: hardware should protect it from damage
22:53:53Slasheribut don't leave it uncharged for a long period if you run it totally empty
22:54:12Febsbelgarath: when I did my test, the player shut off shortly after it reported battery at 0% ...
22:54:19belgarathfebs: you're player showed a remaining time of above 16hrs 48 minutes?
22:54:38belgarathare you using stock battery?
22:54:38Febsbut before it shut off, I checked voltage and it was ~2.9v.
22:54:50FebsNo, that chart is confusing, I should have fixed it before I posted it.
22:55:02FebsThe purplish color is the actual measurement.
22:55:09Coldtoastwhen I tried booting the iriver firmware, the rockbox bootloader hung. I think it must have initialised the iriver fw, which tried to power up the HDD
22:55:14FebsThe black line is just a trend line
22:55:28Coldtoastthe HDD ddn't power up. But when booting Rockbox, booted fine and it was at 1%
22:56:11Coldtoastaah. that graph looks pretty right to me
22:56:31belgarathwill loading rockbox at really low battery damage the battery?
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22:56:50FebsThe player reported 100% for over an hour when I started the test, so the top end of whatever lookup table it is using may still need some calibration.
22:57:04belgarathyes i got that as well
22:57:23Febsbelgarath: my player shut itself off at about 2.5v. As I understand it, the danger threshold for LiIon batteries is around 2.5 volts.
22:57:34Febs^^shut itself off at 2.9v.
22:57:46ColdtoastI have a 2200mAh battery in mine so it'll be interesting to test
22:57:56belgarathbut would it be possible to set a limit on when it turns off?
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22:59:00Coldtoast if anybody has $40k to burn
23:00:02Roriscrap mecha
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23:00:25belgarathi really want to get a 2200mah battery but my parents don't want me fiddling around with my player...
23:00:29west-acrehey. question. will rockblox ever be like full screen?
23:00:40west-acreharsh beans belgarath
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23:02:47Coldtoastrockbox is probably as "full screen" as it'll get on the h140 I'd imagine
23:03:07west-acrerockblox you you?
23:03:14west-acreas in tetris
23:03:18Coldtoastso he did
23:03:21belgarathyeah i think he means the tetris
23:03:26Coldtoastyeah. sorry
23:03:39HClsince when do your parents control what you do with your own stuff?
23:04:02Coldtoastthought you were commenting on how the h140 doesn't fill the window
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23:08:49belgarathHCl: because i do not have a paypal account and need their kind permission to use ebay to buy the battery
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23:12:26FebsLinusN: Did you see this? −−>
23:13:40LinusNhehe, a nice coincidence
23:15:12Coldtoasthope you can get it for a song
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23:15:37Coldtoastimagine it! bootloader saves you a few hundred $$
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23:18:14tourist08bye, bye! will go sleeping..
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23:20:25XavierGrhi all!
23:21:20muesli-hey XavierGr ;)
23:21:24muesli-hi @ll
23:25:10LearThere, sound playback in Win32 simulator commited, though it isn't enabled by default just yet...
23:27:38RoriI wonder when the radio will be enabled
23:30:12muesli-guess when ist working ^^
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23:41:51XavierGrLinusN: Are you here?
23:41:57memmemHi MrStaticVoid, have you seen my chatter of about 23 hours ago?
23:42:19MrStaticVoidcant say i did
23:44:28memmemMrStaticVoid: (cut&pasted) I've compared the HD66773R datasheet to the the original iAUDIO X5 firmware and everything except for one bit makes sense. I think we hunted down the correct controller. Shall we ask the manufacturer of the display for the electrical and timing specs or shall we just take the numbers from the original firmware? (Original initialization code available on request.)
23:44:49XavierGrWell I have to go now! Later all
23:45:06muesli-yeah, go on coding the remote ;)
23:45:17XavierGrLinusN and amiconn: I will send you an e-mail about remote settings
23:45:27XavierGrmuesli-: :)
23:45:57muesli-cya XavierGr
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23:46:05MrStaticVoidmemmem, well thats good to hear. i dont know what's best. if you want you want more info you can email
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23:56:07yngwihi, is anybody on who would point me to a doc on building rockbox?
23:56:14yngwi(not the crosscomp)
23:56:59yngwi(id like to use eclipse cdt on windows, but all other info is also welcome)
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