| 00:00:44 | Cassandra | I still prefer the idea of getting bootbox to optionally ROLO a suplementary firmware (rockbox.ajz, say) is the best solution, since it solves the general problem. |
| 00:01:06 | amiconn | Cassandra: I *know* the reason for the crashes with gcc 3.3.x and -O2 or -Os. It's clearly a gcc bug. |
| 00:01:23 | amiconn | Cassandra: It doesn't solve the general problem |
| 00:01:35 | amiconn | There are unflashable boxes |
| 00:01:50 | Cassandra | But you could load bootbox from disk. |
| 00:02:06 | amiconn | That would be cumbersome... |
| 00:02:10 | Cassandra | Install bootbox as your ajbrec.ajz / archos.mod then use it to boot your *real* Rockbox. |
| 00:02:20 | Cassandra | Well yes, but it'd work. |
| 00:02:53 | amiconn | ...and I wouldn't want that. We should really try to cut down rockbox code size. Rockbox isn't windows... |
| 00:03:46 | Cassandra | Like I say, no matter how much we snip, we'll hit the 200k barrier eventually. |
| 00:03:50 | amiconn | Remember that our RAM isn't endless as well... |
| 00:03:57 | Cassandra | Just like we did with Rombox. |
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| 00:04:48 | amiconn | Rombox will come back, better than ever, for all units |
| 00:05:32 | [IDC]Dragon | ;-) |
| 00:05:41 | Cassandra | Not everyone'll want a firmware without a backup Archos ROM. |
| 00:05:54 | Cassandra | Me, I couldn't give a monkeys, but ... |
| 00:05:57 | uski | i'll do, as long as there will be the minimon ;) |
| 00:06:00 | uski | ANYWAY |
| 00:06:08 | uski | think of people without a flashable box |
| 00:06:17 | amiconn | Yes |
| 00:06:18 | [IDC]Dragon | there's minimon and bootbox |
| 00:06:32 | uski | yea |
| 00:06:37 | | Quit Coldtoast (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 00:06:38 | uski | but minimon is easier to use |
| 00:06:45 | * | [IDC]Dragon says goodnight |
| 00:06:54 | amiconn | The problem with rombox is that the limit is lower than the 200 KB disk-loading limit for most units |
| 00:06:54 | uski | there would even be a possibility to do a blind flashing through minimon |
| 00:07:02 | amiconn | (in fact all except the player) |
| 00:07:04 | uski | i.e. you first send a checksum, then the data |
| 00:07:10 | uski | the data is copied to RAM by minimom |
| 00:07:17 | Cassandra | I am doing. That's why I think bootbox should be able to chainload a full featured Rockbox. |
| 00:07:17 | uski | which checks the checksum |
| 00:07:25 | uski | and if the checksum is OK, data is flashed |
| 00:07:30 | uski | this way, no need for any modification |
| 00:07:36 | uski | everything can be done through the remote port |
| 00:07:44 | Cassandra | There's nothing to stop non-flashable users installing bootbox as their archos.mod. |
| 00:07:50 | uski | even inexperienced users could do an emergency flashing |
| 00:07:57 | amiconn | No |
| 00:08:06 | amiconn | It requires the serial mod |
| 00:08:25 | amiconn | I think not many users are able to do that |
| 00:08:37 | | Quit [IDC]Dragon (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- \o/") |
| 00:08:46 | Cassandra | I agree with ami. Taking units apart is Doom(TM) |
| 00:08:55 | uski | nope amiconn |
| 00:08:59 | uski | minicon could read data from the remote port |
| 00:09:05 | uski | where there is a RX pin |
| 00:09:08 | uski | no need to do any mod |
| 00:09:12 | amiconn | Not all archoses have a remote port |
| 00:09:15 | uski | with my idea, no need to receive data from the box |
| 00:09:16 | uski | really ??? |
| 00:09:24 | amiconn | In fact only the recorder v1 and the player have them |
| 00:09:29 | uski | oh... ok |
| 00:09:32 | uski | :'( |
| 00:09:33 | amiconn | The FM, the V2 and the ondios do not |
| 00:09:37 | uski | what a pity |
| 00:10:05 | amiconn | That's what bootbox is for |
| 00:10:13 | uski | what is it ? o:) |
| 00:10:19 | amiconn | Bootbox is the minimal backup rockbox |
| 00:10:50 | uski | im quite confused: minimon, rockbox, rombox, bootbox... |
| 00:10:55 | uski | i know what minimon is |
| 00:10:56 | amiconn | ...only able to handle USB, boot an .ajz, and handle charging on software charging platforms (recorder v1) |
| 00:11:02 | uski | but rombox/bootbox.. .? |
| 00:11:06 | uski | what's the difference ? |
| 00:11:14 | uski | ok |
| 00:11:22 | amiconn | Rombox means rockbox running directly from ROM, without decompressing it to RAM first |
| 00:11:46 | amiconn | That saves the RAM normally needed for the code and read-only data |
| 00:11:53 | uski | yea; i tried to install it to my box this adfternoon, but in the daily builds there was not a rombox.ucl file |
| 00:12:18 | amiconn | Yes, that's because rockbox grew too large to allow rombox on most units |
| 00:12:31 | amiconn | Only the Ondio SP and the player still have rombox |
| 00:12:44 | uski | ok |
| 00:13:06 | uski | i would be ok to remove the backup archos firmware from my box anyway |
| 00:13:09 | amiconn | That's why [IDC]Dragon developed bootbox. It is intended to replace the archos image as a backup in the flash packages |
| 00:13:28 | uski | ok! it's getting more clear |
| 00:13:35 | amiconn | Bootbox is smaller than the archos firmware, leaving enough room for rombox, on all units |
| 00:13:50 | uski | thanks for the clear explanations |
| 00:14:39 | amiconn | We're not giving up our safety net with bootbox, that's the point |
| 00:15:14 | * | amiconn just turned 0x22 |
| 00:15:51 | uski | what do you mean ? (0x22) |
| 00:15:56 | Stryke` | 34 in hex |
| 00:16:27 | uski | yea |
| 00:16:33 | uski | but what does it mean ? |
| 00:16:54 | Cassandra | Hmm. ami, I can't see anywhere for the small screws near the usb socket on the player to attach to other than the little bit of circuit board with the battery contacts on. Is this correct? |
| 00:17:58 | amiconn | Cassandra: yes. |
| 00:18:01 | amiconn | uski: years |
| 00:18:12 | Cassandra | OK. Good. |
| 00:18:16 | uski | oh, ok ! |
| 00:18:18 | psy-Dead | HB2U :D |
| 00:18:27 | Cassandra | Happy birthday, ami. |
| 00:18:52 | * | uski is 0x13 :D |
| 00:18:58 | uski | and yes, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOUUUUUUUU |
| 00:20:07 | psy-Dead | me too uski |
| 00:20:09 | psy-Dead | i think |
| 00:20:09 | uski | well, time to sleep |
| 00:20:10 | * | psy-Dead checks |
| 00:20:17 | uski | good night all |
| 00:20:25 | uski | (for those living in europe :)) |
| 00:20:30 | psy-Dead | night |
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| 00:20:52 | psy-Dead | 0x11! :D |
| 00:21:05 | psy-Dead | 00010001 |
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| 00:21:20 | psy-Dead | ami is 00100010 |
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| 00:22:10 | psy-Dead | interestingly, ami is twice my age, which shifts all digits 1 space to the left |
| 00:22:18 | psy-Dead | in binary that is |
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| 00:48:51 | solex | Hi. |
| 00:49:11 | solex | Are there any other iso-8859-1 fonts besides the one with that name? |
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| 00:58:44 | webguest55 | solex: see http://www.rockbox.org/fonts/ .. I know snap is iso 8859-15 (close to -1) |
| 00:58:45 | | Join webguest93 [0] (~c31ce021@labb.contactor.se) |
| 00:59:41 | webguest93 | hi I want to replace the battery on my iriver |
| 00:59:46 | webguest93 | i foung this |
| 00:59:48 | webguest93 | http://cgi.ebay.ch/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=75446&item=5790672168&rd=1&ssPageName=WD2V#ebayphotohosting |
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| 01:00:03 | webguest93 | does the battery fits into a h140 |
| 01:00:06 | webguest55 | That should work, I believe |
| 01:00:23 | webguest93 | i heard i have to change the polarity ? |
| 01:00:44 | webguest55 | Yes, HCl and markun (and possibly others) have done it |
| 01:01:13 | HCl | what |
| 01:01:13 | HCl | ? |
| 01:01:14 | webguest93 | ok, thanks, then i will try it |
| 01:01:25 | webguest55 | Battery replacement |
| 01:01:55 | HCl | you can get it cheaper than that one.. |
| 01:02:07 | webguest93 | HCI: where ? |
| 01:02:25 | HCl | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5791292271&category=27966&ssPageName=WDVW&rd=1 |
| 01:02:40 | HCl | thats the one i had |
| 01:02:43 | HCl | well, very much like it anyways |
| 01:02:46 | HCl | but the same seller |
| 01:03:58 | webguest93 | HCI: thats great, will buy one of them |
| 01:04:03 | HCl | and yea, when you get it you have to get the wires out of the connector and swap them around |
| 01:04:45 | webguest93 | HCI: I heard/read about it, should not be a problem, thanks a lot |
| 01:05:13 | HCl | np |
| 01:05:14 | HCl | :) |
| 01:07:07 | HCl | gnight |
| 01:08:05 | | Quit webguest93 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") |
| 01:12:45 | Cassandra | HCl: Battery works like a charm by the way. That thing lasts forever. |
| 01:13:06 | Cassandra | On the downside I killed my internal mic while doing the upgrade, but I don't really use it anyway. |
| 01:14:44 | webguest55 | Not anymore you don't. |
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| 01:16:27 | Cassandra | *nods* |
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| 01:39:25 | meep|zork | hey folks |
| 01:39:30 | meep|zork | quick question |
| 01:40:25 | meep|zork | i have all my music organized by folders titled by album |
| 01:41:06 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:41:16 | meep|zork | how do i get rockbox to move on to the next folder when its finished with the last track in the current folder? right now it just goes back to the 1st track in the folder |
| 01:41:17 | ashridah | meep|zork: you haven't had any problems since flashing with the rockbox bootloader have you? |
| 01:41:23 | meep|zork | hey |
| 01:41:29 | ashridah | meep|zork: you need to add it to the playlist |
| 01:41:36 | meep|zork | no everything has been great |
| 01:41:45 | meep|zork | oh bummer |
| 01:41:47 | ashridah | rockbox deals exclusively with playlists, and by default, creates a playlist out of the current directory when you hit 'play' |
| 01:41:54 | meep|zork | so i have to make a playlist of everything |
| 01:42:25 | ashridah | well, it starts doing that automatically. just go to the next directory, and hold down the navigation stick on it, and then add the directory that way. |
| 01:43:37 | meep|zork | oh wow, on the fly play lists |
| 01:43:47 | meep|zork | i can still make a playlist in winamp right? |
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| 01:44:45 | ashridah | uh. i'm not sure, on that point |
| 01:44:54 | meep|zork | can i make a playlist with everything and just use that as my default (that way rockbox always goes to the next folder and will shuffle all when iw ant to shuffle)? |
| 01:45:35 | Bippy | Hello my beautiful people |
| 01:46:15 | Bippy | There just one question, are you feeling lucky punks |
| 01:46:21 | Bippy | huh well are ya |
| 01:46:40 | Bippy | on a more serious note, has radio been implemented yet ? |
| 01:47:22 | Bippy | Well punks, is it? |
| 01:47:25 | Bippy | huh is it punks ? |
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| 01:48:05 | ashridah | meep|zork: yeah. just make sure you're in the root of your music collection, click a-b, then go to playlist and create playlist. as long as recurse directories is turned on, it should create a playlist with all of your music |
| 01:48:25 | ashridah | Bippy: on the iriver? not yet, that i know of. i don't think anyone's really been looking at it yet |
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| 01:49:03 | DarkkOne | 'lo |
| 01:49:45 | Bippy | ok cheers fella |
| 01:53:20 | DarkkOne | Do you know anything about the WPSes, by chance? |
| 01:53:53 | Bippy | lots |
| 01:54:23 | DarkkOne | for the %fc tag, do you know if anything other than FLAC is four characters? |
| 01:55:08 | DarkkOne | It's been driving me nuts that it shifts everything after it every time a flac shows up in my playlist, and I've been trying to figure how I'm going to work around it. |
| 01:55:22 | meep|zork | ok im gonna try that |
| 01:55:46 | Bippy | im having the same problem |
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| 01:56:05 | DarkkOne | Hehehe |
| 01:56:27 | Bippy | i put it down to poor programming |
| 01:56:49 | DarkkOne | I wouldn't necessarily say poor programming. |
| 01:56:53 | DarkkOne | Alot of people don't use FLACs |
| 01:57:00 | DarkkOne | And I think every other format's 3-character |
| 01:57:25 | DarkkOne | I figure the easy way would be to say "All codec names are to be 5-characters or less" then for like, MP3 make it _MP3_ (except use real spaces) and such. |
| 01:57:28 | webguest55 | meep|zork: there's an option "move to next folder" somewhere |
| 01:58:07 | DarkkOne | That would mean the %fc tag would always represent a 5-character entry. (or 4, or whatever you defined it as) |
| 01:58:30 | webguest55 | Sounds dodgy. |
| 01:58:52 | DarkkOne | A bit. |
| 01:59:40 | DarkkOne | But the way I figure, for the WPSes to work will with bitmaps, you almost *need* to be able to define either a screen position (instead of offsetting with spaces) for text, or you need the tags to represent fixed-width entries. |
| 01:59:58 | DarkkOne | 4 characters for codec, 5 characters including K for bitrate, etc. Something like that. |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:22 | amiconn | A fixed character count wouldn't help at all |
| 02:00:34 | webguest55 | proportional fonts ruin that anyway |
| 02:00:45 | webguest55 | "MP3" is not as wide as "WAV" |
| 02:00:45 | amiconn | yes, exactly |
| 02:00:47 | webguest55 | (likely not) |
| 02:01:02 | DarkkOne | Yeah, but proportional fonts don't work well for Bitmap using WPSes anyway. |
| 02:01:20 | webguest55 | Just offset it using spaces |
| 02:01:25 | webguest55 | and alignment tags |
| 02:01:26 | DarkkOne | Yeah |
| 02:01:36 | webguest55 | someone should get in the multiple-alignment-tags patch |
| 02:01:43 | DarkkOne | That'd probably help alot |
| 02:02:00 | amiconn | Someone should redo this the proper way, from the ground up |
| 02:02:13 | DarkkOne | I just noticed it going all funky with the JamesGao WPS, once I got it working. (Didn't realize the .bmp had to be in the .rockbox folder) |
| 02:02:14 | webguest55 | "this"? "the proper way"? |
| 02:02:30 | amiconn | Meaning, the wps should allow pixel positioning, but that requires some more low-level work first |
| 02:02:59 | DarkkOne | Well the WPS is a decent amount holdover code, right? |
| 02:03:12 | * | webguest55 creates a wishlist.. pixel positioning, multiple fonts, more advanced conditionals |
| 02:03:15 | amiconn | The text scrolling functions need to work with boxes instead of line-based |
| 02:03:23 | webguest55 | and that |
| 02:03:24 | * | DarkkOne suggests adding simple primitives to the wishlist. |
| 02:03:45 | DarkkOne | Yeah, the text shouldn't scroll past where the text started. Hehehe. |
| 02:03:46 | amiconn | I might work a bit in that area one day, but it's not exactly high priority for me |
| 02:04:03 | * | amiconn still uses the default wps |
| 02:04:14 | amiconn | I like it plain & simple |
| 02:04:16 | DarkkOne | I rather like the JamesGao one. |
| 02:04:26 | DarkkOne | Though it does have a little more than I need. |
| 02:04:27 | * | webguest55 proposes using %sXX for defining width of box |
| 02:04:39 | webguest55 | %s10%it%s50%ia |
| 02:04:47 | webguest55 | except that'd be horrible |
| 02:05:02 | amiconn | This will have to change completely |
| 02:05:22 | amiconn | The *positioning* has to be pixel based too, not line based |
| 02:05:23 | DarkkOne | Are the codec names simply strings somewhere in the WPS handling portion, or do they come from the codecs themselves? |
| 02:05:45 | DarkkOne | Like, if I were to want to customize my build, since I use fixed width, so they're all 4 characters, where would you suggest looking? |
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| 02:07:42 | amiconn | The scrolling functions need some work anyway; there is a flaw that just didn't show up yet, as no code tries to use multiple shades of grey at once |
| 02:08:04 | amiconn | ...for text |
| 02:08:13 | DarkkOne | What happens? |
| 02:09:23 | amiconn | If some code actually sets a different foreground or background shade, the scrolling text will also get these shades, even if it was already there before changing the shades |
| 02:09:49 | amiconn | That's because the scrolling text structures don't store the currently active shades |
| 02:11:35 | DarkkOne | So the text color gets changed to the new values, rather than keeping its own? |
| 02:12:52 | amiconn | yup |
| 02:13:21 | amiconn | This happens for scrolling text only, fixed text isn't affected |
| 02:14:04 | DarkkOne | Gotcha |
| 02:14:08 | * | amiconn goes to sleep |
| 02:20:32 | DarkkOne | FLACs hate me. :( |
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| 02:34:22 | DarkkOne | Are the codecs *just* encode/decode information? |
| 02:35:12 | ashridah | things like .ogg and .wma tend to be containers, so often the codec supports dealing with the container as well |
| 02:35:18 | webguest55 | what else would they be? |
| 02:35:25 | ashridah | s/tend to be/are containers/ |
| 02:35:42 | ashridah | .wma is really just a renamed .asf |
| 02:35:46 | DarkkOne | Well, I was trying to figure out where the strings that get displayed for the %fc come from. |
| 02:36:43 | DarkkOne | As well, I was curious about the handling of containers like ogg. |
| 02:38:00 | webguest55 | ogg is assumed to be ogg/vorbis right now |
| 02:38:08 | webguest55 | the strings come from the playback code somewhere.. grep for "FLAC" in apps/ |
| 02:38:14 | webguest55 | (I believe) |
| 02:38:17 | DarkkOne | Alright |
| 02:39:26 | DarkkOne | Hrm |
| 02:39:37 | DarkkOne | So, codecs don't have file-extension information or anything. |
| 02:39:50 | DarkkOne | flacs are recognized as music even when the flac codec is missing. |
| 02:41:12 | DarkkOne | Sorry, just trying to figure out how things are layed out. |
| 02:42:43 | Bippy | Right im a take a dump then go bed, night all, keep up the good work |
| 02:42:49 | DarkkOne | Heh |
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| 02:54:32 | DarkkOne | Shouldn't there be a file like viewers.config for codecs/audio? |
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| 02:59:42 | webguest55 | I don't see why. Wouldn't want to open mp3 files with vorbis.codec |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:05 | webguest55 | well unless someone creates alternative codecs |
| 03:00:56 | DarkkOne | As well, if someone say, builds a working MOD codec or whatever, to add support you have to rebuild several other files. |
| 03:01:21 | DarkkOne | If the .codec + a necessary line in a .config could hold the information, why shouldn't it? |
| 03:01:27 | DarkkOne | That's saying *if* |
| 03:01:38 | DarkkOne | I don't know enough about everything yet, I'm still trying to swim back up to the surface |
| 03:02:22 | DarkkOne | I just seem to remember reading they were supposed to be like plugins. |
| 03:06:40 | webguest55 | ah |
| 03:07:08 | DarkkOne | Looking at the multicodec architecture wiki page I see no mention of it, so I'm probably just confused. |
| 03:10:13 | webguest55 | Well sure, if that happens, eventually it could be done fairly easily I believe |
| 03:10:24 | webguest55 | but there's been little reason to bother with it so far |
| 03:10:44 | DarkkOne | Yeah |
| 03:10:54 | webguest55 | Also, non-streaming codecs are far from around the corner |
| 03:11:28 | DarkkOne | I was just wondering if there's a practical reason for having what audio filetypes are supported hard-coded. |
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| 03:27:00 | webguest55 | It's quicker to code |
| 03:27:52 | DarkkOne | Aah |
| 03:28:09 | DarkkOne | Well, that's fair enough |
| 03:29:42 | DarkkOne | I was thinking more from the execution end. Like something about the hardware or anything that made that the better way to do it. |
| 03:30:19 | webguest55 | Don't think so |
| 03:30:56 | DarkkOne | Hrm |
| 03:31:10 | webguest55 | there's just been no reason to code up a configuration file system yet |
| 03:31:29 | DarkkOne | Well, I mean alot of it's already there with the "viewers" |
| 03:31:39 | DarkkOne | Alot of what I'm thinking of at least |
| 03:32:25 | DarkkOne | I dunno. I'm thinking it seems like something I could work around coding, the problem being I wouldn't want to if it ends up being something they wouldn't want one day. |
| 03:35:51 | * | DarkkOne shurgs. |
| 03:35:53 | DarkkOne | shrugs even |
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| 07:36:45 | amiconn | Good morning |
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| 07:53:41 | LinusN | hi amiconn |
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| 08:00:12 | ashridah | didn't someone check the songdb java app into cvs? |
| 08:02:24 | ashridah | nevermind. missed the j at the end of the module name |
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| 08:08:57 | ashridah | hmm |
| 08:09:22 | * | ashridah vaguely considers porting the silly thing all the way to java 1.5, since it's ignoring the use of generics and other assorted features, yet using things like 'assert' |
| 08:10:32 | LinusN | ashridah should consider porting it to a language that doesn't change every 3 months |
| 08:11:48 | amiconn | LinusN: Any news on the lcd loop? |
| 08:12:12 | * | ashridah shrugs |
| 08:12:17 | LinusN | didn't have time yesterday, and i won't have time for the next two weeks (vacation again) |
| 08:15:45 | ashridah | sweet. got it building in eclipse |
| 08:19:21 | ashridah | rofl |
| 08:19:30 | ashridah | there are 520 warnings in this horrible mess of java code :) |
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| 08:42:20 | * | LinusN gets "DMA No Data: 0x0001" when quickly changing tracks |
| 08:43:10 | amiconn | Slasheri: Red builds.... |
| 08:43:18 | Slasheri | Hmm, that is normal if the playback continues after that |
| 08:43:21 | Slasheri | amiconn: oh :/ |
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| 08:43:52 | Slasheri | argh, the simulator :D |
| 08:43:55 | amiconn | The simulator stub looks... funny |
| 08:44:12 | amiconn | Gimme da variable name... |
| 08:44:15 | LinusN | Slasheri: playback stops |
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| 08:44:38 | LinusN | but only when crossfade is off |
| 08:44:52 | amiconn | Slasheri: I think that should read void, not long... |
| 08:44:56 | Slasheri | LinusN: Hmm, i will try that |
| 08:45:00 | Slasheri | amiconn: yes, fixed it :) |
| 08:49:52 | Slasheri | LinusN: Hmm, i tried to change the tracks very fast but the playback still works |
| 08:50:27 | Slasheri | ah, i have a big anti-skip buffer.. trying to decrease that |
| 08:50:43 | Slasheri | no, that's not the problem.. because crossfade is off |
| 08:52:05 | Slasheri | LinusN: i also got dma no data but the playback does not hangf |
| 08:52:06 | Slasheri | -f |
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| 09:11:12 | LinusN | Slasheri: it seems the timing is important |
| 09:11:28 | LinusN | i let it play for 1-2 seconds before changing track |
| 09:13:20 | ashridah | Hmm. flac codec is having trouble keeping the data buffer full |
| 09:13:40 | ashridah | wonder what bitrate i actually ended up giving these files :) |
| 09:14:28 | ashridah | hmm. looks like it's 800kbps :) |
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| 10:00:43 | psy-Dead | *high |
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| 11:22:36 | ashridah | aah, that's better. no more icky .wma files |
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| 11:40:04 | rooom_wrk | hi2all |
| 11:42:08 | rooom_wrk | amiconn: thnx for updating the Wiki pages! Great! Now what I missing only is the link to Uart.zip SW file and little description, how to use this SW :-)) |
| 11:49:29 | amiconn | I do have a copy of uart_boot, but I'm not sure whether this is a 'regular' version, or one that messes with bitrates, and I have no way to test it atm |
| 11:50:18 | amiconn | I hope [IDC]Dragon has a known working version and will upload that |
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| 12:12:23 | Moos | Hi Linus: still a new bootloader coming soon (v5)? |
| 12:13:15 | LinusN | releasing it as we speak |
| 12:13:32 | Moos | :) |
| 12:13:49 | Moos | bug fixing? |
| 12:14:06 | Moos | light during usb mode...? |
| 12:15:30 | Moos | i've a little question about the shuting down, if you have few seconds :) |
| 12:15:42 | Slasheri | Hmm, tomorrow is my last day.. then a month away :/ |
| 12:15:48 | LinusN | Moos: shoot |
| 12:15:56 | Moos | Hi Slasheri |
| 12:15:59 | LinusN | Slasheri: have fun! :-) |
| 12:16:18 | Slasheri | LinusN: thanks, have you too :) |
| 12:16:51 | crwl | hmmmmm |
| 12:17:05 | Slasheri | hi crwl and Moos :) |
| 12:17:13 | crwl | i discovered a crash bug yesterday at work, let's see if it's still there |
| 12:17:13 | Moos | Linus: I remenber few weeks ago, when we wanted to stop the player, it shtuded down immediatly when pressed long stop |
| 12:17:15 | crwl | hi slasheri:) |
| 12:17:45 | crwl | oops, didn't read the cvs changelog and lost my settings, oh well :) |
| 12:17:52 | Moos | Linus: but since few weeks it don't stop instantatly, it take few seconds |
| 12:18:31 | Moos | Linus: this behaviour will it be the normal in the future, or bug? |
| 12:18:36 | LinusN | Moos: you mean before the "Shutting down" text appears? |
| 12:18:55 | Moos | i mean the reaction time :) |
| 12:19:17 | Moos | immediatly before few weeks and fews seconds now |
| 12:19:24 | Moos | normal behaviour? |
| 12:19:44 | Moos | or possibility to decrease this time? |
| 12:19:45 | LinusN | the problem is that the runtime database is synched to disk before the "shutting down" text appears |
| 12:19:57 | LinusN | so the reaction time seems slower |
| 12:20:11 | Moos | a ok |
| 12:20:29 | amiconn | Maybe this is also due to the handler-controlled shutdown |
| 12:21:03 | amiconn | Btw, I experienced a bad effect caused by that on my iriver |
| 12:21:11 | Moos | and the future works of HCl can improve this? |
| 12:21:11 | LinusN | well, the problem is that the handler callback syncs the database |
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| 12:21:26 | amiconn | The battery was almost empty, and the iriver tried to shut down |
| 12:21:27 | Slasheri | btw, i hope the iriver could do the shutdown the "same way" as on original firmware: don't stop playback before actually doing the shutdown. That way user knows when he/she can release the stop button |
| 12:22:07 | amiconn | That lead to a spinup of the HD, but the HD was unable to save the settings. Spinup - spindown - spinup - spindown .... |
| 12:22:17 | LinusN | amiconn: yes, that's another problem |
| 12:22:24 | amiconn | ...for quite a while, until it was finally able to save settings |
| 12:22:35 | crwl | ok, the crash bug is no longer there :) |
| 12:22:44 | LinusN | the crash bug? |
| 12:23:32 | amiconn | I'd suggest that the shutdown should be force after some delay, regardless whether the handler returned or not |
| 12:23:45 | crwl | well, a version from CVS about 24 hours ago crashed if you changed track from filebrowser while playback was paused and then pressed stop, i think |
| 12:23:50 | Moos | amiconn: i have experimented this problem too, with very low power |
| 12:23:58 | crwl | but it does that no longer, it seems |
| 12:24:07 | amiconn | Of course this delay should be long enough to allow 'typical' shutdown operations to complete |
| 12:24:41 | amiconn | I think about 5...10 seconds should be enough |
| 12:25:31 | amiconn | Otherwise we might have a shutdwon problem on iriver, as the iriver can't be forced to shutdown by hardware... |
| 12:25:49 | Moos | it would be fun to have a windows "shutin down", currently the browser or WPS screen stay fews ms or sec before "shuttin down" text |
| 12:27:47 | Moos | i remenber before the HCl works it was instantaneous, is it a dream to think it will be the same in the future? |
| 12:27:54 | Moos | :) |
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| 12:33:19 | HCl | wha? |
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| 12:36:05 | LinusN | Moos: we'll have to fix that |
| 12:36:14 | uski | hi ! |
| 12:36:21 | uski | LinusN, mo0 |
| 12:36:27 | LinusN | moo |
| 12:36:45 | HCl | it might very well be caused by that it has to write the rundb cache to disk before shutting down |
| 12:37:51 | LinusN | HCl: 12.19.45 # <LinusN> the problem is that the runtime database is synched to disk before the "shutting down" text appears |
| 12:37:57 | HCl | oh |
| 12:37:57 | HCl | sorry |
| 12:38:01 | LinusN | :-) |
| 12:38:01 | HCl | i only just woke up |
| 12:39:10 | Moos | Linus: ok merci |
| 12:39:16 | Moos | Hi HCl |
| 12:39:36 | HCl | hello |
| 12:40:12 | uski | oh, Moos |
| 12:40:16 | uski | it's like many Moo isn't it ? |
| 12:40:50 | uski | tiens, t'es français toi aussi :) |
| 12:40:58 | Moos | :) no it's a french nickname for my real name Mustapha |
| 12:41:04 | Moos | yes i'am |
| 12:41:06 | Moos | :) |
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| 12:42:39 | ashridah | %$@!#$ing xchat |
| 12:42:49 | uski | brb, lunch |
| 12:42:53 | uski | xchat roxxx !!! |
| 12:43:07 | Moos | have a good lunch |
| 12:43:33 | ashridah | uski: perhaps it does, but its binding of ctrl-w to 'close tab' sure as hell doesn't. |
| 12:44:07 | crwl | ashridah, say no more! |
| 12:44:21 | crwl | that's reason #1 why i dislike xchat :P |
| 12:44:40 | ashridah | the problem i have is that i don't really like any of the alternatives |
| 12:44:48 | ashridah | the kde irc apps all seem to bite in some fashion |
| 12:45:16 | Lynx_ | ashridah: irssi? |
| 12:46:14 | crwl | i wonder if xchat's ctrl-w behaviour could be changed with some general gtk2 setting that changes the text field key shortcuts |
| 12:46:17 | crwl | if there's one |
| 12:47:03 | ashridah | crwl: well, once upon a time, gtk apps used to be able to have their menu/key bindings remapped (of course, many applications failed to save said bindings and reinitialised them from the app's defaults if restarted), but it doesn't seem to work anymore |
| 12:48:00 | crwl | ashridah, yes, i remember... (not very many applications remembered to save the bindings, though) |
| 12:48:26 | crwl | gtk2 sucks :P |
| 12:49:04 | ashridah | indeed. i'm really REALLY over the whole gnome2 'lets get rid of all the useful stuff that newbies don't know or care about' efforts. |
| 12:49:14 | ashridah | i can see why making preferences simpler is good |
| 12:49:23 | ashridah | but removing the features COMPLETELY is just silly |
| 12:49:49 | ashridah | after all, gconf is precisely the kind of 'tweakui' type utility you could use, and they AREN'T |
| 12:50:11 | crwl | :P |
| 12:50:16 | * | ashridah is just bitter because kde 3.4.1 is currently not usable in debian unstable due to the gcc 4 upgrade :) |
| 12:50:23 | crwl | well, here in ubuntu it seems to work ;) |
| 12:50:47 | Moos | time to flash v5 thanks Linus :) |
| 12:52:35 | ashridah | crwl: ubuntu have already done their upgrade, and ubuntu focuses on gnome anyway, which is largely C |
| 12:54:12 | LinusN | Moos: enjoy |
| 12:54:18 | crwl | ashridah, it's sad that ubuntu focuses on gnome, but luckily kde works too :P |
| 12:54:23 | crwl | better than on debian, it seems... |
| 12:54:59 | ashridah | crwl: again, c++ abi upgrade. not a lot one can do. ubuntu's development branch was probably just as broken during their transition |
| 12:55:05 | ashridah | debian's is a bit later due to the release of sarge |
| 12:55:32 | crwl | can't remember that, i've been using the breezy development branch since hoary was released |
| 12:55:43 | crwl | though there has been something from day to day, but everything's been fixed the next day |
| 12:57:05 | ashridah | yeah, well, debian's got a few more packages, and a lot more targets to worry about. slows things down somewhat |
| 12:57:11 | crwl | yes |
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| 12:58:18 | ashridah | wtf |
| 12:58:20 | ashridah | what was my quit message? |
| 12:58:40 | crwl | Remote closed the connection |
| 12:59:10 | ashridah | weird |
| 12:59:26 | ashridah | xchat musnt have liked the smack talk |
| 12:59:57 | crwl | heh |
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| 13:02:17 | rooom_wrk | \later tell [IDC]Dragon: Wiki pages UART boot mod are updated! Great! Now what I missing only is the link to Uart.zip SW file and little description, how to use this SW :-)) |
| 13:03:05 | rooom_wrk | ??? no bot? Or my mistake? |
| 13:04:58 | ashridah | there's MesgServ |
| 13:05:23 | ashridah | sorry, memoserv |
| 13:05:25 | ashridah | not mesgserv |
| 13:07:31 | * | uski is back |
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| 13:09:39 | rooom_wrk | ashridah: and pls what order can I use for it? |
| 13:10:12 | austriancoder | hi all |
| 13:10:20 | Moos | Hello ac :) |
| 13:10:48 | Moos | how are you? |
| 13:11:34 | austriancoder | fine thanks |
| 13:11:59 | ashridah | rooom_wrk: eh? uh. use /msg memoserv help |
| 13:12:16 | rooom_wrk | ashridah: oki thnx |
| 13:12:24 | ashridah | it'll tell you how to use it to leave a message for someone. assuming [IDC]Dragon actually notices when memoserv has a message for him |
| 13:14:12 | * | austriancoder tries to trace some cpu-ic's connections on the iaudio |
| 13:14:56 | rooom_wrk | send [IDC]Dragon: Wiki pages UART boot mod are updated! Great! Now what I missing only is the link to Uart.zip SW file and little description, how to use this SW :-)) |
| 13:15:25 | rooom_wrk | \send [IDC]Dragon: Wiki pages UART boot mod are updated! Great! Now what I missing only is the link to Uart.zip SW file and little description, how to use this SW :-)) |
| 13:16:19 | rooom_wrk | hmm I am giving up |
| 13:16:27 | ashridah | rooom_wrk: you need to /msg memoserv everything |
| 13:16:32 | ashridah | it doesn't listen to stuff in the channel |
| 13:16:40 | ashridah | it's part of the irc server's services |
| 13:17:06 | Moos | ac: good luck ;) |
| 13:17:10 | rooom_wrk | ashridan oki :-) |
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| 13:20:32 | rooom_wrk | ashridah: The nickname [[IDC]Dragon:] is not registered :-(( |
| 13:21:18 | Moos | try the mailing list |
| 13:21:29 | rooom_wrk | Moos: oki |
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| 13:28:34 | LinusN | austriancoder: any luck? |
| 13:29:52 | austriancoder | LinusN: not really... but will make some scanns of pcb today |
| 13:30:05 | LinusN | great |
| 13:30:14 | austriancoder | ah.. pcf50606 is used in iaudio... same as in h3xx |
| 13:30:27 | austriancoder | but it seems that there is no datasheet ;( |
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| 13:31:19 | LinusN | austriancoder: the power controller? |
| 13:31:40 | austriancoder | yep.. there sould also be the rtc located |
| 13:31:45 | LinusN | hang on |
| 13:38:59 | LinusN | austriancoder: it's now in the data sheets page |
| 13:40:35 | LinusN | holy shit, the pcf50606 is a *monster* |
| 13:40:44 | austriancoder | thanks |
| 13:41:11 | austriancoder | i will take photos of the pcb.. my scanner is not able to do the job |
| 13:42:09 | LinusN | oki |
| 13:43:09 | austriancoder | it is quite fine that h3xx and iaudio share some componentes. |
| 13:44:04 | LinusN | indeed |
| 13:44:12 | austriancoder | LinusN: how far is the bootloader for h3xx? |
| 13:44:28 | LinusN | i don't know |
| 13:44:51 | LinusN | i connected the h300 to my bdm last night, but my adapter broke :-( |
| 13:45:00 | LinusN | so i'll have to build a new one |
| 13:45:10 | austriancoder | oh.. not so good |
| 13:45:25 | LinusN | so it will take at least 2 more weeks, since i'll go on vacation |
| 13:46:19 | LinusN | hehe, i superglued the ribbon strip connector to the adapter pcb, and accidentally filled the entire connector with glue :-) |
| 13:46:34 | LinusN | and broke it when i tried to remove it |
| 13:46:44 | austriancoder | ah |
| 13:47:19 | LinusN | took me 2 hours under a stereo microscope to solder that thing :-( |
| 13:48:37 | LinusN | i think i'll design a pcb instead of wiring by hand |
| 13:49:17 | austriancoder | could be better.. yes |
| 13:49:34 | austriancoder | ah.. next shared ic, iaudio has a Philips TEA1211 DC/DC Converter |
| 13:54:49 | LinusN | gotta go, cu |
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| 14:33:38 | amiconn | Who did the assignment of buttons for the virtual keyboard on iriver!? The cursor movement is obviously unreachable :-( |
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| 15:10:51 | west-acre | hey people. a question. what about a function for the record button in the WPS? |
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| 15:16:23 | amiconn | Lear: Please correct me if I'm wrong - are you the Magnus who did the original asm-optimised descramble algorithm? |
| 15:16:48 | Lear | Yes, that's right. |
| 15:17:00 | Lear | But Jens has since optimized it further, IIRC... |
| 15:17:04 | amiconn | Thanks for the inspiration... |
| 15:17:15 | amiconn | Yes that was me :) |
| 15:17:23 | Lear | Ah, so you're Jens. Good to know. :) |
| 15:17:42 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcNicks |
| 15:18:22 | Lear | Ah. I don't visit the wiki much, I must say... |
| 15:20:33 | ze | isn't dorian gray a fictional character or something? |
| 15:23:34 | Lear | Sure, from a book written by Oscar Wilde. |
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| 16:08:09 | [IDC]Dragon | happy birthday amiconn! |
| 16:08:53 | amiconn | thx |
| 16:09:14 | [IDC]Dragon | got my present? |
| 16:10:16 | amiconn | Oooh :) |
| 16:10:23 | * | amiconn just checked email... |
| 16:11:36 | amiconn | Too bad I'm in the middle of messing up the grayscale lib |
| 16:12:00 | [IDC]Dragon | too bad I don't have any time |
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| 16:16:14 | * | Cassandra boots into iRiver fw to upgrade the bootloader then gets annoyed that it doesn't work like Rockbox and is thus impossible to drive. |
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| 16:16:49 | * | amiconn did the same, and was also confused by the menu operation |
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| 16:31:24 | godzirra | howdy guys |
| 16:31:57 | Slasheri | Hmm, the "non volume fading crossfader" seems to work well :) |
| 16:32:22 | Slasheri | i will commit a patch today to select which type crossfade to use |
| 16:33:13 | godzirra | non volume fading? |
| 16:33:21 | godzirra | how can it fade if it doesnt change volume? |
| 16:33:43 | Slasheri | godzirra: http://www.misticriver.net/boards/attachment.php?attachmentid=2545&stc=1 |
| 16:33:51 | Slasheri | that was the idea :) |
| 16:34:19 | Slasheri | it works at least for some songs if we just mix them |
| 16:34:39 | Cassandra | Bah. All you weirdos with your unpleasant crossfading. Keep it away from me. :) |
| 16:35:02 | Slasheri | :D |
| 16:35:27 | Cassandra | Until and unless you can stick an intelligent DJ inside who can vary the song speeds so they sync properly. |
| 16:35:43 | Cassandra | And of course know when it's not appropriate to crossfade. |
| 16:36:54 | godzirra | how odd.. hehe.. thats pretty cool. |
| 16:37:06 | godzirra | I'm lookin forward to hearing what it sounds like. |
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| 16:38:08 | webguest91 | Hey, I saw in the logs that the longer shutdown time is because of the runtime-db being synced.. would it be difficult to display the splash before doing that? To give a quicker feedback. Won't change the time it takes, but it'll change the time the user thinks "wtf, I'm pressing the button and nothing happens!" |
| 16:47:13 | Lear | Hm... Similar to autobookmarking actually, especially with fade on stop enabled. The time it takes from I press top until the "Bookmark created" splash is shown is pretty long. |
| 16:47:48 | Lear | One way to speed things up could be to spin up the drive (if autobookmarking is on) before starting the fade. |
| 16:51:29 | godzirra | Slasheri: lemme know when you submit it. |
| 16:51:35 | Slasheri | godzirra: ok :) |
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| 17:17:04 | rooomish2 | amiconn: silly question but TX output from serial converter I should connect on RxD or TxD on Archos PCB? |
| 17:17:58 | Slasheri | now i have done the change is it ok to commit another option "Crossfade type" to the playback menu? The selections would be "Crossfade,Mix only" |
| 17:22:30 | amiconn | I'd rather put that in one setting with 3 options |
| 17:22:51 | amiconn | Ah, no, I forgot 'off' is part of the duration... |
| 17:22:56 | Slasheri | yes.. |
| 17:23:40 | Slasheri | i would liked to do it so that the "crossfade type" option would not be displayed when crossfade is not enabled but i am afraid that cannot be done.. |
| 17:23:45 | Slasheri | *have |
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| 17:25:07 | ]RowaN[ | what are "cursor movement button combos"? |
| 17:26:23 | amiconn | rooomish2: Sight, Tx and Rx direction, the source of eternal confusion... |
| 17:27:10 | ]RowaN[ | guys what do u think about making left joystick press in the filetree root return to wps? the original iriver firmware does that, i think its a good idea |
| 17:27:10 | amiconn | If you built the serial converter documented in the wiki, it is marked like the connections on the Archos, i.e. you would connect Tx to Tx, Rx to Rx |
| 17:28:06 | amiconn | However, the Archos 'sees' itself as a computer (which it is), so on other converters you would switch Tx and Rx... |
| 17:28:27 | amiconn | ]RowaN[: Not all things the iriver firmware does are good ;) |
| 17:28:38 | ]RowaN[ | but it feels right =] |
| 17:28:42 | Cassandra | Not to me. |
| 17:28:46 | rooomish2 | amiconn: no I have it made from Mobile phone cable and I know which wire is transmitting (TX?) |
| 17:29:03 | amiconn | ]RowaN[: You can move the input cursor in the virtual keyboard, so you can insert letters without first deleting all letters after them |
| 17:29:18 | ]RowaN[ | ah |
| 17:29:21 | amiconn | This wasn't possible on iriver because of the assignment. Now it is |
| 17:29:36 | amiconn | Hold PLAY, then move the joystick left or right |
| 17:30:37 | ]RowaN[ | ive never really dabbled with playlists and such.. if im playing a song, and i want to encue the next song to play after the current one finishes, is there a way to do it? (on the fly playlist?) |
| 17:30:39 | amiconn | PLAY now doesn't immediately accept the input, it only does this when you press & release it in direct sequence, i.e. without holding it for a while or using other buttons while pressing it |
| 17:31:39 | rooomish2 | amiconn: better to say - no I made it from Mobile phone cable and I know which wire is transmitting (oscilloscope) this wire will I connect to RxD correct? |
| 17:31:42 | amiconn | rooomish2: If you know where the data comes out of your converter, this output must then be connected to archos Rx and vice versa |
| 17:32:47 | Lear | Slasheri, what about having options like "off, crossfade type 1, crossfade type 2"? |
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| 17:33:16 | Slasheri | Lear: Hmm, maybe. Then we just need to add "Crossfade amount/length" variable |
| 17:33:29 | Slasheri | so anyway we need two options.. |
| 17:34:04 | Slasheri | unless we change that crossfade amount to "PCM Buffer Length" |
| 17:34:28 | amiconn | I don't think this is a good idea |
| 17:35:01 | rooomish2 | amiconn: thanks |
| 17:35:27 | Slasheri | amiconn: Hmm, do you think that "Crossfade type" would be ok? |
| 17:35:36 | Cassandra | You know those crossfade options are proliferating rather nastily. |
| 17:36:03 | amiconn | Cassandra: Full ack ;) |
| 17:36:19 | amiconn | Slasheri: I think PCM Buffer length is too technical |
| 17:36:34 | Slasheri | ah, hmm.. |
| 17:36:45 | Psy-Dead1 | "playback buffer" |
| 17:38:39 | Slasheri | amiconn: and if we change that to something like "Audio buffer length", then users wouldn't know it will also set the crossfade length.. |
| 17:39:54 | amiconn | Yes, and that why setting the crossfade duration as "Crossfade duration" is imho the least confusing solution |
| 17:40:58 | Slasheri | hmm.. would it be good to make two options: "Crossfade" with selections "Off,Crossfade,Mix only" and "Crossfade duration"? |
| 17:42:19 | amiconn | I think that would be more logical than implying crossfade == off with duration == 0 |
| 17:42:30 | Slasheri | yes, good :) |
| 17:42:48 | amiconn | ..and it would free one option for the duration, as it wouldn't be necessary to include the 0 |
| 17:43:03 | Slasheri | and would you prefer "Crossfade,Mix only" or just "Type 1,Type 2"? |
| 17:43:27 | amiconn | Crossfade, Mix |
| 17:43:31 | Slasheri | ok :) |
| 17:46:01 | Psy-Dead1 | whats the difference? |
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| 17:51:42 | ]RowaN[ | what do you guys think of having seperate crossfade modes for (a) when the song reaches the end of track (fine as it is) but then (b) different crossfade for when you "skip" to the next track - rather than crossfading (yukky clashing of unsyncopated beats), it'd sound better (in my experience) for the current track to fade out rather rapidly (1sec) while the next track starts immediately (starts, not fades in). Might be hard to imagine but its very pleasing |
| 17:52:44 | Slasheri | Hmm.. maybe we should add a whole new configuration menu for crossfade :D |
| 17:52:50 | ]RowaN[ | please =] |
| 17:52:55 | Slasheri | that is possible to implement.. |
| 17:53:59 | amiconn | Crossfade sounds best when it is switched off - my $0.02 ... ;) |
| 17:54:07 | Slasheri | :P |
| 17:54:21 | ]RowaN[ | if you cant say anything nice.. =p |
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| 17:55:23 | ]RowaN[ | amiconn i predict you will wonder how you lived without it if the method i describe above gets implemented =] |
| 17:56:22 | ]RowaN[ | its no different to the old fashioned track skip, except the current song fades out in like, 500ms or something, instead of abruptly stopping (not easy on the ears/brain) |
| 17:56:45 | amiconn | I always switch of any kind of audio fading in any player. I cannot stand it |
| 17:57:12 | amiconn | We have fade out on stop on the archos, that's one of the first things I switched off |
| 17:58:37 | amiconn | I prefer true gapless for the track transition (which works fine now on iriver too), that's it |
| 17:59:45 | Slasheri | it depends on what kind of music you are listening to.. it tracks are not true gapless, then i will prefer crossfading :) |
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| 18:00:27 | amiconn | If the tracks aren't gapless the y have an intentional gap instead, which I don't want to suppress |
| 18:00:48 | amiconn | ...and they fade out/in by themselves |
| 18:01:18 | ]RowaN[ | yes at the ends of songs, but im talking about fading in the middle of a song when you skip |
| 18:01:59 | amiconn | Yes, then you'll still have a pause (because of the playback restart at different position) |
| 18:02:16 | ]RowaN[ | a pause? |
| 18:02:36 | ]RowaN[ | song 1 fades while song 2 starts... whats pausing? |
| 18:02:48 | amiconn | Without fading... |
| 18:03:06 | ]RowaN[ | oh i thought we were talking about crossfading =] |
| 18:03:21 | amiconn | Yes |
| 18:04:37 | * | amiconn should read more thoroughly |
| 18:05:00 | amiconn | You mean, the setting should be separate from the normal fade... |
| 18:05:26 | ]RowaN[ | seperate from the end of track fade into next track fade yes |
| 18:05:37 | ]RowaN[ | i.e. the fade that happens when you manually skip |
| 18:05:45 | amiconn | I don't think that would need a separate (in the sense of 'new') setting, imho it falls into the category of 'fade on stop/pause' |
| 18:05:58 | Slasheri | Hmm, i think we would need at first two type of crossfade configuration displays (with the same options): when crossfading automatically and when just skipping.. :/ |
| 18:06:01 | amiconn | I still wouldn't activate it though... |
| 18:06:41 | ]RowaN[ | at least try it for 10 seconds before you dismiss it for the rest of your life man |
| 18:07:56 | ]RowaN[ | Slasheri do it do it =p |
| 18:08:17 | ]RowaN[ | im sick and i dont have long to live =p |
| 18:08:31 | Slasheri | ]RowaN[: maybe when i have access to computers again (in 3-4 weeks).. |
| 18:08:37 | Slasheri | tomorrow i will leave :/ |
| 18:08:53 | ]RowaN[ | are you in jail? |
| 18:09:14 | Slasheri | no, i just got "free travel tickets to hell" ;) |
| 18:09:30 | Slasheri | the "civil military" service |
| 18:09:54 | ]RowaN[ | fat camp? |
| 18:10:24 | Slasheri | hehe, only one choise we can choose from |
| 18:10:57 | Slasheri | and i think that is the better one, we are "almost" free after the one month.. |
| 18:15:13 | ]RowaN[ | hmm it bugs me that the daily build page uses images for vertical text instead of style="writing-mode: tb-rl" .. do i need to get out more? |
| 18:17:06 | amiconn | ]RowaN[: I don't think many browsers support this style, so using images is more compatible... |
| 18:17:34 | amiconn | I'm not sure though, I'm not that much into CSS |
| 18:17:53 | ]RowaN[ | you're probably right |
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| 18:18:31 | west-acre | hey people. a question. what about a function for the record button in the WPS? |
| 18:18:32 | ]RowaN[ | i gave up caring for what ancient browsers dont support years ago (because this is 2005 - the future).. new habits die hard |
| 18:18:42 | ]RowaN[ | bad habit for a web developer but hey =p |
| 18:19:11 | bagawk | I use lynx somewhat often... |
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| 18:20:21 | webguest73 | ]RowaN[: There's no such attribute, writing-style |
| 18:20:44 | webguest73 | oh.. |
| 18:21:10 | bagawk | west-acre, what do you want it to do? |
| 18:21:18 | ]RowaN[ | webguest73 maybe its ie only |
| 18:21:22 | ]RowaN[ | i use it and it works |
| 18:21:32 | webguest73 | Well if it's ie only it may as well not exist |
| 18:22:33 | ]RowaN[ | yes, only a small number of people use IE dont they |
| 18:22:37 | west-acre | not sure, it needs a function tho, maybe errr lemme think... |
| 18:23:48 | webguest73 | Catering for a specific browser is stupid no matter how you look at it. Following standards is the only sensible choice. |
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| 18:24:16 | ]RowaN[ | writing-mode is w3c recommended |
| 18:24:34 | webguest73 | Where is it defined? |
| 18:24:41 | webguest73 | I see it mentioned in XSL docs |
| 18:24:48 | webguest73 | But that's no good |
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| 18:25:10 | west-acre | maybe jump to playlist options? speaking of which. long holding select in WPS mode: maybe playlist options should be above sound settings? |
| 18:25:29 | amiconn | writing-mode: tb-rl works in firefox, but for the table, it can't be used on its own |
| 18:25:56 | amiconn | ..because the text then runs as it says - top to bottom, right to left |
| 18:26:00 | ]RowaN[ | webguest73: the great thing about standards is that theres so many to choose from |
| 18:26:07 | amiconn | YOu need an additional flip |
| 18:26:25 | ]RowaN[ | well u can flip it differently by changing tb-rl to something else |
| 18:26:26 | amiconn | Example: http://www.ssi-developer.net/css/vertical-text.shtml |
| 18:26:44 | amiconn | ]RowaN[: No, you can't, there are only two allowed values |
| 18:26:45 | webguest73 | ]RowaN[: There are not. |
| 18:26:51 | ]RowaN[ | ah no, filter: flipv fliph as well |
| 18:27:01 | webguest73 | Ah, it's css3 |
| 18:27:04 | amiconn | tb-rl and lr-tb |
| 18:27:10 | webguest73 | Last I heard, css3 wasn't recommended by w3c |
| 18:27:24 | ]RowaN[ | hometime, bye peoples, no fights till i get back k? |
| 18:27:26 | webguest73 | Or whatever the terminology is |
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| 18:27:31 | amiconn | The former is *intended* for some asian languages, the latter is standard orientation |
| 18:29:49 | amiconn | Haha, the "examples" are images... |
| 18:30:17 | webguest73 | They'd have to be.. presumably when it was made no browser supported it |
| 18:30:32 | webguest73 | Also, you need a reference |
| 18:31:01 | webguest73 | I'm curious, is css3 really the curren w3c recommendation? |
| 18:31:19 | amiconn | Yes, but I would do such a page with a side-by-side comparison of an image and the actual interpretation by the browser |
| 18:31:59 | webguest73 | Ah, it is not. It's not even finished yet. |
| 18:32:19 | webguest73 | Well, that'd be in the test suite I guess |
| 18:32:55 | webguest73 | Also, I'm curious which versions of IE supports it. Which is where the real fun begins. |
| 18:34:13 | amiconn | Aha, it does work in IE 6, but not in Firefox 1.04 |
| 18:34:18 | amiconn | http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/samples/author/dhtml/refs/writingMode.htm |
| 18:35:10 | amiconn | webguest73: From what I read IE 5.5+ supports this |
| 18:35:23 | godzirra | Slasheri: how's it going? :) |
| 18:35:29 | webguest73 | Well, it's admireable, but you can't really fault anyone for not implementing a standard that's not even finished yet |
| 18:35:44 | webguest73 | So relying on it seems completely braindead. |
| 18:36:22 | Slasheri | godzirra: it's working :) |
| 18:36:26 | Slasheri | still doing some tests |
| 18:36:41 | amiconn | http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/WD-css3-text-20021024/#Progression |
| 18:37:19 | godzirra | Slasheri: in bleeding edge commit? |
| 18:37:29 | webguest73 | Good thing I don't write browsers. |
| 18:37:32 | Slasheri | godzirra: not yet, i will commit soon |
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| 18:47:49 | Slasheri | godzirra: committed |
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| 18:57:18 | Tangleding | Hi Slasheri |
| 18:57:19 | Tangleding | :) |
| 18:57:21 | Tangleding | Hi all :) |
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| 18:58:09 | Tangleding | Hi Austrian |
| 18:58:09 | austriancoder | hi |
| 18:58:16 | Tangleding | your iHP is repaired? |
| 18:58:55 | austriancoder | no |
| 18:59:38 | Tangleding | :( |
| 18:59:40 | Tangleding | too bad |
| 18:59:46 | austriancoder | i have now an iaudio x5 |
| 18:59:52 | Tangleding | Ah okay |
| 18:59:59 | Tangleding | i was astonished |
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| 19:00:01 | Tangleding | ;) |
| 19:00:06 | Tangleding | Nice player? |
| 19:00:08 | Tangleding | :) |
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| 19:01:42 | LinusN | Slasheri: u there? |
| 19:02:15 | dwihno | Happy holidays to all of you \o/ |
| 19:02:35 | Tangleding | Hello Linus |
| 19:02:37 | Tangleding | :) |
| 19:04:27 | LinusN | hi |
| 19:04:35 | Tangleding | Have nice holidays? |
| 19:04:58 | LinusN | Slasheri: the splash() you added is run in the wrong thread |
| 19:05:00 | amiconn | LinusN: This colour LCD controller datasheet is interesting... |
| 19:05:17 | LinusN | only the main thread should draw on the lcd |
| 19:05:33 | LinusN | Tangleding: sure, i'm going away tomorrow |
| 19:05:41 | LinusN | amiconn: interesting? |
| 19:06:07 | amiconn | Yes, in terms of features... |
| 19:06:18 | Tangleding | Cool have good time Linus! :) |
| 19:06:18 | * | amiconn is already thinking about the colour LCD driver |
| 19:06:27 | Tangleding | X5? |
| 19:06:36 | * | LinusN is thinking about what to pack for the trip |
| 19:06:46 | LinusN | Tangleding: and h300 |
| 19:07:08 | Tangleding | Ah it's the same? |
| 19:07:23 | Tangleding | Since they use different resolution |
| 19:07:27 | Tangleding | :| |
| 19:07:36 | amiconn | It's a slightly different controller |
| 19:07:39 | godzirra | Slasheri: sweet. I'll grab it now |
| 19:07:46 | amiconn | ...but from the same manufacturer |
| 19:08:16 | * | austriancoder has now a digital camera to take pictures of the pcb ;) |
| 19:09:24 | Tangleding | Okay thanks for this |
| 19:09:26 | Tangleding | :) |
| 19:09:50 | Tangleding | tang is wondering if he gonna update the bleding edge only for splashscreen |
| 19:09:52 | Tangleding | :D |
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| 19:10:47 | webguest98 | Hello folks :) |
| 19:10:58 | webguest98 | a quick question please |
| 19:11:36 | webguest98 | what's about the high scores with rockbox games? |
| 19:11:53 | webguest98 | needed a API high score? |
| 19:12:01 | Slasheri | LinusN: oh.. :/ |
| 19:12:22 | Slasheri | Hmm, is there another way to do that? |
| 19:12:32 | LinusN | webguest73: what do you mean? |
| 19:12:41 | austriancoder | LinusN: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/IaudioX5Info/P7220189.JPG |
| 19:13:11 | LinusN | austriancoder: oooh, blurry... |
| 19:13:27 | Tangleding | Indeed |
| 19:13:35 | Tangleding | but can see a chip ALI? |
| 19:13:47 | Tangleding | is it the same as mainboard chipset? |
| 19:13:53 | godzirra | Slasheri: where is the option to change it? |
| 19:14:14 | austriancoder | LinusN: of which parts shall i make detail pictures? |
| 19:14:34 | Slasheri | godzirra: in playback menu (crossfade and crossfade duration) |
| 19:14:34 | LinusN | Tangleding: it's the usb controller |
| 19:15:02 | LinusN | austriancoder: the entire pcb :-) |
| 19:15:04 | Tangleding | OK... |
| 19:15:07 | Slasheri | LinusN: or would you like to fix that? i don't know yet how :) |
| 19:15:28 | LinusN | austriancoder: it's very useful for finding and discussing connections |
| 19:15:53 | LinusN | Slasheri: when is this function called? |
| 19:16:34 | Slasheri | LinusN: only when playing while changing the crossfade duration or enabling / disabling crossfade |
| 19:16:43 | Slasheri | then the splash screen is displayed until playback resumes |
| 19:18:01 | LinusN | is there a way to detect this situation in the main thread? |
| 19:18:12 | amiconn | austriancoder: It's usually better to use a scanner for detail pictures of a pcb. |
| 19:18:29 | LinusN | Slasheri: hey, wait a minute |
| 19:18:39 | Slasheri | hmm, i don't know because this is a special situation.. at least not without an event |
| 19:18:43 | Slasheri | hmm :) |
| 19:18:59 | LinusN | the audio_set_crossfade() function *is* called from the main thread |
| 19:19:06 | LinusN | doh! |
| 19:19:09 | Slasheri | :D |
| 19:19:12 | Slasheri | hehe :) |
| 19:19:13 | austriancoder | LinusN: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/IaudioX5Info/pcb_1.jpg |
| 19:19:15 | LinusN | ignore me! |
| 19:19:56 | LinusN | austriancoder: better, but still not sharp enough to follow traces |
| 19:21:09 | godzirra | Slasheri: hrm.. apparently I dont know how to get into my playback menu? |
| 19:21:50 | Tangleding | hum is the remote button pattern normal when we come to latest menu level? |
| 19:22:15 | Tangleding | Seems there is noway to come back or change the setting using the remote... |
| 19:22:16 | LinusN | Tangleding: huh? |
| 19:22:35 | Tangleding | in fact when we come to option menu |
| 19:22:45 | Tangleding | it's okay with the remote |
| 19:22:49 | Tangleding | (blind of course) |
| 19:23:02 | Slasheri | godzirra: mode button, general settings, playback and there it is :) |
| 19:23:09 | Tangleding | but when it come to the latest menu level |
| 19:23:19 | Tangleding | then only the main joystick will works |
| 19:23:41 | LinusN | nobody has tried to make the remote work |
| 19:24:03 | Tangleding | Even for buttons? |
| 19:24:07 | LinusN | nope |
| 19:24:13 | Tangleding | oh sorry |
| 19:24:21 | LinusN | it works partly because the code was already there for the archos remote |
| 19:24:32 | Tangleding | okay i understand |
| 19:24:58 | Tangleding | Good to know that |
| 19:25:00 | austriancoder | LinusN: i think i reached the limit of the digicam with this picutre: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/IaudioX5Info/pcb_2.jpg |
| 19:25:31 | LinusN | austriancoder: now we're talking |
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| 19:26:39 | Lear | tangleding: you can leave the menus with the remote, perhaps using stop (don't quite remember)... |
| 19:26:54 | Tangleding | Don't thjink so |
| 19:27:05 | Tangleding | even stop doesn't work |
| 19:27:13 | Tangleding | (from remote) |
| 19:27:21 | LinusN | ok guys, i gotta go, bbl |
| 19:27:23 | Tangleding | but if it's normal there is no problem |
| 19:27:24 | | Part LinusN |
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| 19:27:35 | Tangleding | will wait for cool remote support |
| 19:27:42 | Tangleding | (and then leave iRiver firmware) |
| 19:28:32 | Hansmaulwurf | me too |
| 19:28:44 | Hansmaulwurf | the only thing i want is a full remote support |
| 19:29:18 | Hansmaulwurf | well, and maybe WOW or SRS ;) |
| 19:31:33 | Lear | remote stop does exit the menu... |
| 19:32:06 | Lear | the key mappings aren't great though... |
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| 19:32:48 | Tangleding | strange |
| 19:33:08 | Tangleding | stop doesnt exit the menu when i come to upest level |
| 19:33:10 | Tangleding | :/ |
| 19:33:20 | Hansmaulwurf | yeah |
| 19:33:22 | Hansmaulwurf | then press play |
| 19:33:28 | Hansmaulwurf | in the last level |
| 19:33:30 | Tangleding | same |
| 19:33:33 | Tangleding | with play |
| 19:33:34 | Tangleding | :/ |
| 19:33:35 | Hansmaulwurf | works for me |
| 19:33:47 | Hansmaulwurf | how do u exit the last level with your player? |
| 19:33:53 | Tangleding | very strange |
| 19:33:59 | Tangleding | using the main unit buttons |
| 19:34:13 | Tangleding | the remote can't help |
| 19:34:16 | Tangleding | :s |
| 19:34:17 | Hansmaulwurf | ? |
| 19:34:33 | Tangleding | maybe long push? |
| 19:34:48 | Tangleding | neither :/ |
| 19:35:19 | Hansmaulwurf | press "stop" till u are in the upest level |
| 19:35:23 | Hansmaulwurf | then press "play" |
| 19:35:26 | Hansmaulwurf | works for me |
| 19:36:08 | Tangleding | not for me |
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| 19:36:11 | Tangleding | :( |
| 19:36:15 | Tangleding | too bad |
| 19:36:36 | Hansmaulwurf | are u sure your "hold" button is right? |
| 19:37:10 | Tangleding | yes indeed |
| 19:37:13 | Tangleding | the hold is off |
| 19:37:34 | Tangleding | when i push the stop button the remote LCD light on |
| 19:37:42 | Tangleding | but nothing happens |
| 19:37:44 | Tangleding | :/ |
| 19:37:52 | Tangleding | same with play button |
| 19:37:56 | Hansmaulwurf | hm funny |
| 19:38:02 | Hansmaulwurf | which build do u use? |
| 19:38:10 | Tangleding | not very funny in fact |
| 19:38:12 | Tangleding | :o |
| 19:38:13 | Tangleding | :D |
| 19:38:42 | west-acre | hey the new crossfading options. what does "mix" do? |
| 19:39:36 | Lear | From the front page at rockbox.org: "If set to mix, no fading is applied but tracks are mixed up" ;) |
| 19:39:47 | Tangleding | :) |
| 19:39:55 | Hansmaulwurf | for dummies? |
| 19:39:58 | west-acre | yer i saw that don't gettit tho |
| 19:40:01 | Tangleding | hu Hans |
| 19:40:14 | Tangleding | it means the volum of the finishing track |
| 19:40:20 | Tangleding | isn't lowered |
| 19:40:25 | Hansmaulwurf | ah |
| 19:40:26 | Hansmaulwurf | hm |
| 19:40:36 | Tangleding | as the beginning one has his volume upered progressively |
| 19:40:43 | Hansmaulwurf | whats the newest bootloader? V5? |
| 19:40:46 | Tangleding | so it make real mix |
| 19:40:49 | Lear | Yep. |
| 19:40:52 | Tangleding | v5 is the latest |
| 19:40:54 | Hansmaulwurf | still V§ |
| 19:40:56 | Hansmaulwurf | V3 |
| 19:41:08 | Tangleding | boot is about 6 sec |
| 19:41:15 | Tangleding | instead of 7 for v4 |
| 19:41:18 | west-acre | ok ill rephrase: hey the new crossfading options. what does "mixed up" do? |
| 19:41:24 | Tangleding | (but 4sec for olders) |
| 19:41:42 | Tangleding | mix only mix the two tracks |
| 19:41:50 | Tangleding | without aktering their volume |
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| 19:42:31 | west-acre | ah gotcha |
| 19:42:42 | Tangleding | Hum anyone knows how |
| 19:42:49 | west-acre | that's kewl |
| 19:42:50 | Tangleding | to see the splashscreen? |
| 19:44:34 | Hansmaulwurf | what is that? |
| 19:49:41 | Hansmaulwurf | btw, is it dangerous to update rockbox while im using rockbox? |
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| 20:02:58 | Tangleding | ? |
| 20:03:02 | Tangleding | No no danger |
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| 20:03:47 | Tangleding | i just did this cause the iHP freezed under iriver fiwmare when i pluggetd it to USB |
| 20:04:57 | Tangleding | Nw build expected in some minutes |
| 20:05:34 | Tangleding | wonder what it adds or correct |
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| 20:10:13 | Coldtoast | good grief |
| 20:10:23 | Coldtoast | one of my friends bought a new laptop |
| 20:10:29 | Coldtoast | 3.7GHz P4 |
| 20:11:37 | Coldtoast | he said it's not exactly that portable and the power supply alone weights 3KG |
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| 20:15:44 | godzirra | Slasheri: the mode button brings up somethign different on the iriver. |
| 20:15:47 | godzirra | i dont have a general settings |
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| 20:18:18 | Slasheri | eh.. |
| 20:18:37 | Slasheri | godzirra: if you short press the mode button, you should get the main settings menu |
| 20:18:51 | Slasheri | there you find general settings |
| 20:19:42 | godzirra | AH! |
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| 20:22:58 | uski | ji |
| 20:23:00 | uski | hi |
| 20:25:04 | austriancoder | hi |
| 20:25:16 | godzirra | Slasheri: nice. I like the plugin. |
| 20:25:25 | godzirra | ITs great for concerts since I cant get gapless playback going |
| 20:26:31 | Slasheri | hehe :) |
| 20:33:11 | Tangleding | :) |
| 20:33:19 | Tangleding | I'm going |
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| 20:33:33 | Tangleding | by Slash and all the noble people behind Rbx |
| 20:33:40 | Tangleding | and also all fans ;) |
| 20:33:43 | Tangleding | :D |
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| 20:51:38 | Slasheri | Hmm |
| 20:51:47 | DarkkOne | Hmm? |
| 20:51:48 | Slasheri | I think it might be possible to fix the players with burned cpu |
| 20:52:05 | Slasheri | at least the coldfire cpu's are available ~26e |
| 20:52:31 | Slasheri | the resoldering would be _difficult_ but not impossible |
| 20:52:39 | DarkkOne | Yeah |
| 20:52:55 | BBub | how could you "burn" the cpu? |
| 20:52:59 | DarkkOne | If your tools are good enough, your hands steady enough, why not? |
| 20:53:03 | Slasheri | BBub: with wrong charger |
| 20:53:09 | BBub | ah, k |
| 20:53:12 | Slasheri | fortunately i haven't tried that, but many people have.. |
| 20:53:40 | BBub | is it really so hard to read the description on the iriver-charger? ;) |
| 20:53:47 | BBub | i dont get why ppl plug anything in that fits |
| 20:53:50 | Slasheri | DarkkOne: yep, i might try that one day if i get a burned unit to my hands ;) |
| 20:53:53 | DarkkOne | People often miss the positive/negative thing. |
| 20:53:57 | amiconn | Slasheri: How do you solder a BGA? Do you have special equipment? |
| 20:54:19 | Slasheri | amiconn: some equipments yes.. but basically high temperature is required for that.. |
| 20:54:37 | amiconn | Yes, but not too high/ too long... |
| 20:54:39 | DarkkOne | BBub: Many people seem to assume that the plug size is representative of some sort of standardization. |
| 20:54:41 | uski | BGA ? the hardest thing is to put them in the right position |
| 20:54:51 | uski | then you need something like a hot air soldering station |
| 20:54:51 | Slasheri | yes |
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| 20:55:31 | uski | usually, there are specialized equipements for BGA packages, that does the positionning and the soldering at once |
| 20:55:40 | Slasheri | i know that tqfp packages are hard to solder but never tried bga.. maybe i should try that one day :) |
| 20:56:30 | DarkkOne | If the unit's already dead you're only out the cost of additional materials anyway. |
| 20:57:07 | Slasheri | yep.. but at least i will try that if my unit ever breaks :) |
| 20:57:29 | amiconn | 160 pin MAP BGA... |
| 20:58:46 | uski | i already have soldered a TQFP package using a hot air soldering station; even with this it is really tricky |
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| 20:59:23 | uski_ | <amiconn> 160 pin MAP BGA... |
| 20:59:26 | uski_ | <uski> i already have soldered a TQFP package using a hot air soldering station; even with this it is really tricky |
| 20:59:26 | uski_ | <uski> why do you need to solder such packages ? |
| 20:59:26 | amiconn | I think TQFP is way easier than BGA... |
| 20:59:27 | uski_ | −−- Disconnected (Connection reset by peer). |
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| 20:59:28 | uski_ | what do i have missed ? |
| 20:59:29 | Slasheri | uski: hehe, i have soldered a TQFP once with a microscope and a very thin soldering tip |
| 20:59:37 | uski_ | oh yes, TQFP is way easier than BGA ! |
| 20:59:41 | Slasheri | the position was the hardest part |
| 20:59:45 | uski_ | yes |
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| 21:00:27 | Slasheri | but with bga you will only have to position it once and pray ;) there should be some markings on the pcb to do that.. |
| 21:00:42 | Slasheri | and it might be even easier that with tqfp |
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| 21:01:44 | lodesi | hi |
| 21:02:17 | uski | slasheri, you have to maintain the BGA while soldering |
| 21:02:18 | lodesi | little question.. is there a way to debug a plugin on the mp3 player? |
| 21:02:57 | lodesi | i mean not in the simulator :) |
| 21:03:15 | Slasheri | uski: yes, i can use some tools and paste to keep it in place while applying hot air |
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| 21:03:21 | uski | Slasheri: and you can't do that with some glue |
| 21:03:32 | Lear | logf is one way (if it is in the api)... |
| 21:03:59 | uski | how ? remember that there are balls undeer the BGA everywhere |
| 21:04:04 | uski | i don't see how you can use paste |
| 21:04:57 | lodesi | Lear: mmh.. the logf is for me? |
| 21:05:06 | Lear | yep. :) |
| 21:05:34 | lodesi | according to a 'man logf' it's 'natural logarithmic fuction' ?!?? :/ |
| 21:05:44 | uski | :)) |
| 21:05:48 | lodesi | do i misssomething ? |
| 21:05:49 | Slasheri | hmm, i meant using some paste to the pads that is meant for that.. i just think it's possible to do the cpu replacement :) |
| 21:05:57 | Lear | I'm talking about logf in rockbox, a logging facility... |
| 21:06:16 | Lear | a bit unfortunate name name, yes... |
| 21:06:30 | uski | Slasheri, it's for an iRiver right ? |
| 21:06:37 | uski | do you have a picture somewhere of the PCB ? |
| 21:07:09 | lodesi | it might be in the api, it's inside an ifdef |
| 21:07:23 | Slasheri | uski: yep, it's just hard but possible to do as there are the cpus available |
| 21:07:24 | lodesi | i'll look, thx! |
| 21:07:40 | Slasheri | uski: hmm, rockbox sites may have some pictures |
| 21:07:46 | Lear | yes, not enabled by default. You need to enable a define in autoconf.h |
| 21:07:51 | uski | Slasheri, i agree, i think it is possible; but do that only if there is not any other solution ;) |
| 21:08:03 | Slasheri | hehe, of course ;) |
| 21:08:11 | lodesi | ok.. what does it do ? :) |
| 21:08:32 | lodesi | (the logf) |
| 21:09:50 | Lear | lodesi: it keeps a number of recent messages, viewable through the menues. It is also shown on the iriver remote (if you have one). |
| 21:10:29 | Lear | similar to debugf, but easily viewable on target without special hardware needed. |
| 21:10:56 | lodesi | it's concatenated in a file? |
| 21:11:28 | uski | i think it's like a circular bugffer, maybe like linux's dmesg |
| 21:11:32 | uski | -g |
| 21:11:33 | lodesi | 'cause i have an archos recorder and my plugin crash the unit... :( |
| 21:11:38 | Lear | lodesi: but by default, but you can dump it to a file. |
| 21:11:51 | lodesi | cool |
| 21:11:57 | Lear | lodesi: well, for crashes it doesn't help much... |
| 21:12:03 | uski | lodesi, remember that there is no memory protection in the archos; you can write everything everywhere |
| 21:12:23 | uski | it won't say "Segmentation fault at 0x........" |
| 21:12:37 | uski | hmm i think there is a gdb stub for the SH1 |
| 21:12:42 | uski | if you want you can do the serial mod |
| 21:12:48 | lodesi | uski: yes, but i actually have the plugin running on the sim.. so i need to see on target |
| 21:12:50 | uski | then use this stub to run gdb |
| 21:13:20 | uski | if you can do the serial mod, this is the way to go i think |
| 21:13:47 | lodesi | i'll first,with the file logging :) |
| 21:14:42 | lodesi | try* |
| 21:14:50 | uski | you could also change the status of the red led |
| 21:15:01 | uski | it might help, but i don't know if the red led can be accessed directly from plugins (i think so) |
| 21:15:51 | lodesi | well..my plugin crash and gives a blinking red led, without any response :) |
| 21:16:13 | uski | blinking red led ? interesting |
| 21:16:21 | uski | i think that panic() does that |
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| 21:16:53 | Hansmaulwurf | rofl |
| 21:17:02 | Hansmaulwurf | is there really a panic function? |
| 21:17:08 | Hansmaulwurf | how can i activate it? |
| 21:18:55 | uski | i think there is one :) let me check :) |
| 21:19:02 | uski | i think you siply call it |
| 21:19:11 | uski | it must be in system.c or maybe there is even a panic.c |
| 21:19:17 | uski | lemme checlk |
| 21:20:15 | uski | (56k is slow, and i need to download the code - if someone using linux could do "egrep -r panic *" on the source tree it would help :)) |
| 21:21:22 | Lear | Yes, panic.c contains something called panicf()... |
| 21:21:52 | uski | yea ! |
| 21:22:02 | uski | and if you look the code, you'll see that it makes the led blink |
| 21:22:12 | uski | it should even display sth on the screen... ? |
| 21:22:22 | Lear | Usually called when something has gone horribly wrong, and there's no way to recover. FUBAR, if you like... |
| 21:22:39 | Lear | Yes, some error description... |
| 21:22:50 | uski | lodesi, what are the symptoms of the crash ? is there something appearing on the screen ? |
| 21:23:03 | uski | i'd guess that you are writing on the memory somewhere you are not supposed to write |
| 21:23:08 | lodesi | nop, blank screen an rl blinking |
| 21:23:32 | lodesi | and i have to turn it off to make it react... |
| 21:23:39 | uski | do a "reverse search" : look for the function that makes the led blink, and look for every place in the code that calls it |
| 21:23:50 | uski | yes it is normal, the loop that make the led blink is infinite |
| 21:24:44 | lodesi | bad idea.. their could many place where it could called from |
| 21:24:50 | uski | i don't think so |
| 21:25:11 | lodesi | ok, trying that then :) |
| 21:25:16 | uski | as Lear said, a panic is an "extreme" situation |
| 21:25:53 | uski | btw, are you sure that you are compiling your plugin correctly ? |
| 21:26:14 | uski | maybe that the CPU tries to execute "garbage" and raises a "unknown instruction" trap |
| 21:26:15 | lodesi | yes, i can display some msg with rb->splash(..) |
| 21:26:24 | uski | ok |
| 21:26:28 | uski | then try debugging with this |
| 21:26:46 | uski | "instr 1 ok", "instr 2 ok", "instr 3 result 42", "inst 4 ok", BoOM |
| 21:27:04 | uski | or maybe "instr 1 ok", "zfifdvojfzef<G234'(-"é", BooM :) |
| 21:27:30 | lodesi | yep i'm redifing the DEBUGF to a splash() |
| 21:27:49 | lodesi | redefining* |
| 21:27:58 | lodesi | silly keyboard.. |
| 21:28:46 | uski | "bad keyboard ==> change the keyboard" :) |
| 21:29:52 | lodesi | it's planned,because he didn't like the coffee i gave him last week :/ |
| 21:30:14 | uski | :) |
| 21:36:04 | uski | damn, i would love to do the 8MB mod for my unit, but last time i tried to do sth it didn't turn very well... |
| 21:37:58 | lodesi | no msg..it's crashing quiet early |
| 21:40:48 | Lear | hm.. do you set the global api pointer properly? :) |
| 21:41:02 | Slasheri | Hmm, maybe you are using the wrong .rock on your player? |
| 21:41:37 | lodesi | those stuff are just copy/paste from rockboy, so they should be ok |
| 21:42:00 | lodesi | but i was wondering what is the directory separator '\\' or '/' ? |
| 21:42:15 | Lear | its '/' |
| 21:42:29 | Lear | well, start your plugin like this: |
| 21:42:36 | Lear | TEST_PLUGIN_API(api); |
| 21:42:41 | Lear | rb = api; |
| 21:42:57 | Lear | rb->splash("something"); |
| 21:43:07 | Lear | then not much can go wrong before you see something. :) |
| 21:43:09 | lodesi | all of this works :) |
| 21:46:07 | lodesi | it's weird, the first lines of panic.c display a debugging msg.. but i don't see anything :( |
| 21:50:53 | Lear | do you know your code causes a panic? |
| 21:51:30 | lodesi | i'm not sure.. but there is the red led |
| 21:52:36 | uski | lodesi,maybe that's because you are writing garbage into the rockbox's memory space |
| 21:52:44 | uski | preventing it from writing anything to the display after it |
| 21:53:39 | lodesi | i think that's true.. |
| 21:54:00 | uski | double check your code |
| 21:54:08 | uski | see if you aren't doing a mistake with a pointer or sth like that |
| 21:54:16 | lodesi | but my plugin is the port of a linux program, so i have to deal with 15000 line of code :( |
| 21:54:29 | uski | you said it crashes very early, then check the beginning of your code |
| 21:54:33 | uski | which program ? :) |
| 21:54:50 | lodesi | i'm checking the begining |
| 21:54:56 | lodesi | try sarien.sf.net |
| 21:55:10 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:55:38 | uski | fun ! |
| 21:55:48 | uski | good luck for your port... |
| 21:56:37 | uski | brb |
| 21:57:02 | lodesi | hehe, the graph were crap on those game,so it's like we are limited with the small display :) |
| 21:57:03 | Lear | difficult to make it look good, unless you have an h300 or something, I would imagine... :) |
| 21:57:45 | Lear | wasn't those games basically text adventures?? |
| 21:57:46 | lodesi | it's not like* |
| 21:57:57 | Lear | or did you mainly use your mouse... |
| 21:58:35 | lodesi | yes, when you can say 'look room',and it explains what is displayed on the screen :) |
| 21:58:50 | lodesi | there is no mouse support |
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| 21:59:42 | Lear | text adventure on a rockbox device sounds hard to play... :) |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:28 | lodesi | yep, but it's fun with the virtual kbd :) |
| 22:05:48 | | Join Cka3ka [0] (~Cka3ka@ool-4355b700.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 22:05:54 | Cka3ka | hey |
| 22:05:56 | Cka3ka | anyone there? |
| 22:06:17 | Cka3ka | ....anyone who knows a lost about rockbox/is building it specifically |
| 22:06:29 | Cka3ka | aiight ill leave my question then, hopefully someone will reply |
| 22:06:50 | | Join XavierGr [0] (~XavierGr@ppp13-adsl-50.ath.forthnet.gr) |
| 22:06:59 | XavierGr | Hi All! |
| 22:07:02 | Cka3ka | basically i isntalled rockbox recently and my dipshit friend borrowed my iriver, plugged it into linux, copied some files and pulled it out |
| 22:07:03 | Cka3ka | hey |
| 22:07:12 | Cka3ka | you know lots about rockbox? |
| 22:07:19 | XavierGr | me? |
| 22:07:20 | Cka3ka | yea |
| 22:07:22 | Cka3ka | =-) |
| 22:07:25 | Cka3ka | i need mad help |
| 22:07:30 | Cka3ka | my friend crashed my mp3 player |
| 22:07:36 | XavierGr | Not that I know many things but shoot! |
| 22:08:00 | XavierGr | can you start it again? |
| 22:08:14 | Cka3ka | <Cka3ka> basically i isntalled rockbox recently and my dipshit friend borrowed my iriver, plugged it into linux, copied some files and pulled it out without unmounting it on linux, so the player seemed to be ok |
| 22:08:19 | Cka3ka | the usb sign dissapeared |
| 22:08:24 | Cka3ka | and then all of a sudden it said |
| 22:08:31 | Cka3ka | *panic* mount: 0 |
| 22:08:44 | XavierGr | can you but to normal firmware? |
| 22:08:44 | | Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) |
| 22:08:49 | XavierGr | Hi LinusN! |
| 22:08:52 | Cka3ka | this was about 2 hours ago, i havnt been able to turn it off, i wanna drain the battery cus my reset button wont work |
| 22:08:55 | Cka3ka | hey linus |
| 22:08:59 | Cka3ka | you know lots about rockbox? |
| 22:09:15 | LinusN | Cka3ka: which bootloader do you have? |
| 22:09:36 | Cka3ka | umm, im not sure; i just grabbed it from the main site |
| 22:09:38 | Cka3ka | give me a sec |
| 22:09:41 | XavierGr | Cka3ka use the reset button. Maybe you are not pressing it hard. Are you sure it is broken? |
| 22:09:59 | Cka3ka | yeah like the paper clip goes through into the mp3player |
| 22:10:04 | Cka3ka | far enough where its dangerous |
| 22:10:16 | LinusN | Cka3ka: then the clip is too thin |
| 22:10:27 | LinusN | and you miss the button |
| 22:10:30 | XavierGr | yeah try something more thick. |
| 22:10:50 | Cka3ka | its pretty thick |
| 22:10:54 | LinusN | it should barely fit in the hole |
| 22:10:57 | Cka3ka | i think i broke it last night when trying to reset |
| 22:10:59 | Cka3ka | it does |
| 22:11:15 | Cka3ka | hold up lemm find bootloader version |
| 22:11:17 | LinusN | ouch |
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| 22:11:32 | XavierGr | well that's bad you will need this reset button like hell with rockbox |
| 22:11:46 | LinusN | XavierGr: "like hell" :-) |
| 22:12:04 | BBub | rockbox never crashed for me so far ;) |
| 22:12:10 | BBub | works very well |
| 22:12:17 | XavierGr | LOL I am exaggerating with the new builds this is a lie |
| 22:12:20 | Cka3ka | this is second time its crashed |
| 22:12:23 | Cka3ka | lol |
| 22:12:26 | Cka3ka | ok here it is |
| 22:12:28 | Cka3ka | i used a patcher |
| 22:12:30 | Cka3ka | it was called |
| 22:12:33 | BBub | XavierGr: i always have bleeding edge installed |
| 22:12:35 | Cka3ka | fwpatcher |
| 22:12:42 | | Join webguest80 [0] (~d871a880@labb.contactor.se) |
| 22:12:54 | LinusN | Cka3ka: when did you download the patcher? |
| 22:12:54 | XavierGr | BBub: me too. Though currently I use my own remote build... :) |
| 22:12:55 | Cka3ka | it just patched the firmware automatically |
| 22:13:03 | Cka3ka | about 2 days ago |
| 22:13:05 | Cka3ka | maybe less |
| 22:13:10 | BBub | then its probably v4 |
| 22:13:11 | XavierGr | version 4 then I guess |
| 22:13:11 | LinusN | ok, then you have version 4 |
| 22:13:29 | | Join DarkkOne [0] (~chatzilla@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 22:13:37 | Cka3ka | mm? that doesnt help me getting out of this "panic mount:0" state :'( |
| 22:13:39 | LinusN | Cka3ka: here's what you can do: let the battery run out |
| 22:13:40 | | Join hicks_ [0] (~hicks@zeus.mups.co.uk) |
| 22:13:54 | LinusN | so it turns off |
| 22:13:54 | Cka3ka | im trying but there is no backlight on so its taking FOREVER |
| 22:14:02 | LinusN | is the disk spinning? |
| 22:14:06 | Cka3ka | its gonna take till tomorrow i figure |
| 22:14:07 | Cka3ka | nope |
| 22:14:11 | LinusN | oh |
| 22:14:13 | Cka3ka | wait |
| 22:14:13 | Cka3ka | yes |
| 22:14:17 | Cka3ka | i can hear something inside |
| 22:14:18 | LinusN | good |
| 22:14:28 | LinusN | then it's a matter of hours |
| 22:14:32 | Cka3ka | a constant bzzzz sound |
| 22:14:36 | LinusN | then recharge it |
| 22:14:39 | Cka3ka | really quiet |
| 22:14:41 | | Join austriancoder [0] (~5078751e@labb.contactor.se) |
| 22:14:45 | austriancoder | hi all |
| 22:14:46 | Cka3ka | yea thats what i was thinking |
| 22:14:47 | Cka3ka | hey man |
| 22:14:57 | XavierGr | this is going to be hard. Even if it recovers it, what about next time? |
| 22:15:01 | LinusN | and insert the USB connector *before* you turn it on again |
| 22:15:06 | Cka3ka | man this kid is so gonna get hurt after i fix this |
| 22:15:08 | Cka3ka | ok |
| 22:15:16 | Cka3ka | itll enter usb mode, done that once before |
| 22:15:18 | Cka3ka | then what |
| 22:15:32 | LinusN | then you can mkfs it again |
| 22:15:49 | Cka3ka | i can what? mkfs? |
| 22:15:52 | LinusN | or perhaps even fsck |
| 22:15:58 | Cka3ka | no idea what that is |
| 22:15:59 | Cka3ka | XD |
| 22:16:01 | LinusN | oh, i thought you were alinux user |
| 22:16:05 | Cka3ka | my friend is |
| 22:16:09 | Cka3ka | and not a very good one at that |
| 22:16:18 | LinusN | ok, you can scandisk or reformat it |
| 22:16:19 | Cka3ka | seeing as how he killed my iriver; damn asshole |
| 22:16:23 | Cka3ka | wha |
| 22:16:25 | Cka3ka | i have to? |
| 22:16:31 | Cka3ka | cant i just beg to god itll work without |
| 22:16:38 | LinusN | why? |
| 22:16:45 | Cka3ka | cus i dont have the music backed up |
| 22:16:48 | Cka3ka | :'( |
| 22:16:51 | XavierGr | who knows maybe praying will help a little. LOL |
| 22:16:52 | LinusN | you are one brave man |
| 22:17:04 | Cka3ka | thanks, but im out of hd space on my computer |
| 22:17:05 | XavierGr | scandisk at least |
| 22:17:18 | LinusN | then you have learned a lesson |
| 22:17:30 | webguest80 | Just one quick question all (or maybe 2!) - Is there anywhere that I can see a basic update of stuff that's happening on the iRiver. I'm not so smart and the CVS info is a little confusing to me |
| 22:17:47 | LinusN | webguest80: not really |
| 22:18:04 | LinusN | there is a "cooked" thread at misticriver |
| 22:18:08 | Cka3ka | so what does this error msg that i have mean? |
| 22:18:23 | LinusN | Cka3ka: it means that rockbox couldn't mount the file system |
| 22:18:25 | Cka3ka | *panic* mount:0 |
| 22:18:26 | DarkkOne | The front page on Rockbox.org tells the latest changelog. You can usually guess from what seems to get updated/worked on the most. |
| 22:18:27 | webguest80 | Okay - Hmm, I'm just trying to figure out when to upgrade and what changes are implemented there so I can enjoy them test out and do my best to report back! :D |
| 22:18:41 | Cka3ka | uhoh |
| 22:18:44 | Cka3ka | i know what that means |
| 22:18:49 | Cka3ka | that means he fucking killed my hd |
| 22:18:52 | Cka3ka | that kid is gonna dier |
| 22:18:53 | Cka3ka | die* |
| 22:18:56 | LinusN | killed? no |
| 22:18:58 | Cka3ka | ....after i resolve this |
| 22:19:01 | Cka3ka | lol |
| 22:19:16 | Cka3ka | corrupted/deleted boot info? |
| 22:19:25 | Cka3ka | same shit that happens on pcs |
| 22:19:26 | LinusN | Cka3ka: scandisk *might* help |
| 22:19:57 | austriancoder | LinusN: could you have a look at this patch? http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=439120&group_id=44306&aid=1240781 |
| 22:20:00 | Cka3ka | lesson learnt: no more messing with rockbox without a ricking button |
| 22:20:06 | Cka3ka | fricking* |
| 22:20:08 | Cka3ka | lol |
| 22:20:14 | XavierGr | LinusN: I have some old files that I use them for my remote build. But now Miika changed them to newer ones. Which is the easy way of updating them without rewriting them? |
| 22:20:16 | Cka3ka | reset button= necesary |
| 22:20:18 | LinusN | hehe, wrong lesson |
| 22:20:31 | Cka3ka | lmao why? |
| 22:20:38 | Cka3ka | what would be the right one? ;-) |
| 22:20:47 | Cka3ka | dont give mp3 to friends ? :-) |
| 22:20:47 | LinusN | the lesson you learned is to keep a backup |
| 22:20:48 | Cka3ka | lol |
| 22:20:50 | webguest80 | LinusN - I'll check the Cooked post, and DarkkOne I'll try checking that, but that's usually super confusing to me :( |
| 22:21:06 | Cka3ka | how do you know that even if i format itll work? |
| 22:21:13 | Cka3ka | thas the real question |
| 22:21:34 | XavierGr | Cka3ka: because you will have a clear filesystem after a format |
| 22:21:41 | LinusN | Cka3ka: did he drop it? |
| 22:21:41 | Lear | just pulling the usb plug at a bad time can't really hurt anything more than the file system. |
| 22:21:43 | Cka3ka | my friend killed his hd completley using only software (on pc), fun stuff, tried to backup the hd went errk errk errk chugachuga o shit |
| 22:21:53 | Cka3ka | not that im aware of |
| 22:22:38 | LinusN | XavierGr: cvs update? |
| 22:22:50 | Cka3ka | aiight then, i gotta finish up some chores before my dad gets home, and then ill be back |
| 22:23:00 | LinusN | Cka3ka: have fun :-) |
| 22:23:03 | Cka3ka | i wonder,,, could i get that guy to get me an h300 if i pretend this is broken ;-) |
| 22:23:04 | Cka3ka | thanks |
| 22:23:05 | Cka3ka | :-D |
| 22:23:17 | LinusN | you don't want an h300 |
| 22:23:24 | Slasheri | XavierGr: take a patch of your work and apply it to the latest cvs :) |
| 22:23:34 | Cka3ka | yea thats what i thought before, but this guy i met said theres a crack that lets you play movies on it |
| 22:23:34 | Slasheri | cvs-do add your_files |
| 22:23:42 | Cka3ka | small screen but still |
| 22:23:43 | Slasheri | cvs-do diff -u >patch.diff |
| 22:24:04 | Cka3ka | and in addition to that, color themes seem so sweet |
| 22:24:14 | Cka3ka | i love eyecandy....me=dumbass |
| 22:24:14 | Cka3ka | lol |
| 22:24:15 | DarkkOne | With an H340, can you use the USB host port thingy to up/down files to your H120 if you have one? |
| 22:24:29 | Cka3ka | nope i dont unfortunatly :-() |
| 22:24:30 | Lear | what's so bad about an h300, except for the buttons and the fact that rockbox doesn't run on it (and it is a bit ugly too)? :) |
| 22:24:33 | LinusN | DarkkOne: yes |
| 22:24:34 | Slasheri | oh, it was cvsdo |
| 22:24:42 | LinusN | Lear: no s/pdif |
| 22:24:49 | Slasheri | now nights to everybody, tomorrow is the last day.. |
| 22:24:53 | Cka3ka | linus why dont i want one? |
| 22:25:01 | Lear | don't need that myself... |
| 22:25:05 | DarkkOne | See, that's the only reason I'd consider one. External storage for my 120. ;-) |
| 22:25:06 | XavierGr | :( Slasheri are you leaving tomorrow? |
| 22:25:17 | Slasheri | XavierGr: yes |
| 22:25:21 | Cka3ka | bah aiight im off before i get in trouble, ill be back |
| 22:25:25 | Cka3ka | cya guys and thanks for all the help! |
| 22:25:30 | LinusN | cu |
| 22:25:33 | | Part Cka3ka |
| 22:25:34 | XavierGr | Pitty we will miss you. Happy military days nayway |
| 22:25:41 | Slasheri | :) |
| 22:25:51 | Slasheri | someday i will be back.. i hope at least ;) |
| 22:25:56 | XavierGr | LOL |
| 22:26:05 | LinusN | Slasheri: how long? |
| 22:26:12 | Slasheri | LinusN: about a month |
| 22:26:14 | DarkkOne | Who would be best to ask questions about the codec architecture and handling? |
| 22:26:15 | | Join [1]Moos [0] (DrMoos@m40.net81-66-158.noos.fr) |
| 22:26:15 | Coldtoast | oh no! but I found anothe playback bug! |
| 22:26:25 | Ctcp | Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 28 seconds at the last flood |
| 22:26:25 | * | LinusN was in the military for 9 months |
| 22:26:46 | Slasheri | yes, 13 months here.. but the rest 12 are in civil :) |
| 22:26:51 | webguest80 | okay - awesome, thanks guys! |
| 22:26:53 | | Quit webguest80 ("CGI:IRC") |
| 22:26:57 | XavierGr | Slasheri will be for 12 and he is only 20... I am 21 and havent yet. |
| 22:26:58 | | Quit uski (No route to host) |
| 22:27:02 | * | Lear was there for 11 months (or was it 11.5?)... |
| 22:27:08 | LinusN | DarkkOne: just ask the question, and those who know the answer will reply |
| 22:27:09 | Slasheri | :/ |
| 22:27:29 | XavierGr | But I guess its your choice, right? |
| 22:27:51 | XavierGr | You will have a free career time after that |
| 22:27:55 | DarkkOne | Well, I'm just curious why so much stuff is hardcoded. Like, for the viewers, the file associations are loaded from an external .txt, but for the codecs they seem hardcoded unless I'm missing something. |
| 22:27:56 | * | Lear still had some time for hacking... |
| 22:28:10 | XavierGr | I will have to quit my job to enlist at 201 |
| 22:28:10 | DarkkOne | I was curious if there was a hardware reason or something, or if that's just the way it got done when it got done? |
| 22:28:12 | XavierGr | 2011 |
| 22:28:14 | | Quit hicks (Success) |
| 22:28:14 | Slasheri | yes.. other choise was to be 11 or 6 months totally without anything.. |
| 22:28:35 | LinusN | DarkkOne: it's hardcoded for now |
| 22:28:57 | LinusN | when things are more stable, maybe it will be more dynamic |
| 22:29:14 | XavierGr | Slasheri: Will you get your iHP with you? |
| 22:29:21 | LinusN | the file types weren't dynamic from the beginning either |
| 22:29:24 | DarkkOne | What I was really asking was, is there a reason to keep it hardcoded for now? |
| 22:29:35 | LinusN | DarkkOne: yes, it is much easier |
| 22:29:36 | Lear | metadata handling aren't in the codecs now, which makes it harde to do dynamic properly, I guess... |
| 22:29:38 | DarkkOne | Alright |
| 22:29:51 | Slasheri | XavierGr: of course i will :) that was a dream to get it there with rockbox.. =) |
| 22:29:56 | DarkkOne | I'm just looking for something in the code I could work on / help with. |
| 22:30:04 | LinusN | aha |
| 22:30:05 | XavierGr | Indeed you made your dream come true... |
| 22:30:07 | DarkkOne | Indeed |
| 22:30:41 | DarkkOne | I'm taking my first step from "OSS observer / donator / wahtever" to wherever I land when I fall. |
| 22:30:50 | Slasheri | yep ;) in fact i didn't believe it would be possible to make the audio playback that fast.. |
| 22:31:01 | Coldtoast | ooh! they've named the next vesion of Windows! |
| 22:31:05 | DarkkOne | Vista |
| 22:31:10 | Coldtoast | yeah |
| 22:31:13 | Slasheri | but it's nice that it's now working, cu -> |
| 22:31:22 | XavierGr | bye! |
| 22:31:27 | Slasheri | nights :) |
| 22:31:53 | XavierGr | Vista sucks as a name! IMHO |
| 22:32:06 | DarkkOne | So did XP |
| 22:33:10 | dwihno | It's about their customers. |
| 22:33:12 | | Join Cka3ka [0] (~Cka3ka@ool-4355b700.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 22:33:16 | dwihno | Windows hasta-la-Vista ;D |
| 22:33:17 | Cka3ka | linus you still there? |
| 22:35:46 | DarkkOne | Still having problems Cka3ka? |
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| 22:36:45 | | Nick [1]Moos is now known as Moos (DrMoos@m40.net81-66-158.noos.fr) |
| 22:38:57 | | Quit Cka3ka () |
| 22:39:16 | LinusN | cka3ka managed to reset it with a toothpick and the file system was allright |
| 22:39:42 | DarkkOne | I bought a box of toothpicks a week ago just to keep in my car 'cuz I keep losing my paperclips. |
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| 22:40:01 | XavierGr | Yay another bad story ends with a happy end! ;) |
| 22:40:03 | LinusN | put the paper clip in the key ring |
| 22:40:23 | | Join Cka3ka [0] (~Cka3ka@ool-4355b700.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 22:40:33 | LinusN | we should sell paperclips with the rockbox logo :-) |
| 22:40:39 | DarkkOne | Hahaha |
| 22:40:41 | DarkkOne | I'd buy one. |
| 22:40:45 | Cka3ka | i would |
| 22:41:01 | LinusN | not very good publicity though :-) |
| 22:41:22 | LinusN | gotta go |
| 22:41:24 | | Part LinusN |
| 22:42:03 | Cka3ka | lmao im back on, been meaning to ask someone, youd seem to know best, since iriver has built in radio, could that be used to pick up the mad low signal sent out by atomic clock station to sync time since iriver doesnt stay "on" in off mode enough to keep a clock? |
| 22:42:35 | Cka3ka | eh, seems like an idea i think |
| 22:42:39 | Cka3ka | to keep time on it |
| 22:42:48 | Cka3ka | and you can go from there with other stuff like organizer, etx |
| 22:42:50 | Cka3ka | gotta run |
| 22:42:50 | Cka3ka | adios |
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| 22:48:57 | wundo | Hi, someone know how to port Bluez to Coldfire? |
| 22:50:03 | austriancoder | Bluez? |
| 22:50:11 | wundo | yes.. heheh |
| 22:50:18 | * | wundo is desesperated |
| 22:50:20 | wundo | Bluetooth |
| 22:50:47 | DarkkOne | What do you have running on a coldfire that has a bluetooth adapter? |
| 22:52:19 | wundo | I'm trying to make the bluetooth adapter work with my coldfire, just it |
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| 22:59:21 | webguest90 | is there a alarm timer buried in RBox for iriver ? |
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| 23:00:10 | DarkkOne | Umm |
| 23:00:41 | DarkkOne | I don't think so. |
| 23:01:02 | DarkkOne | Since there's not a realtime clock, the best that could be done is probably a countdown timer of some sort. |
| 23:01:11 | DarkkOne | And of course, it has to be left one for that to work. |
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| 23:01:35 | webguest90 | that woul work, set it for 2 hours, then beep |
| 23:02:03 | DarkkOne | Yeah, but someone'd have to code, or modify, it onto it. |
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| 23:02:51 | | Nick [1]Moos is now known as Moos (DrMoos@m40.net81-66-158.noos.fr) |
| 23:03:03 | webguest90 | to many things, to little time I guess |
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| 23:04:04 | DarkkOne | Perhaps |
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| 23:09:18 | | Join Shebb [0] (~824372c8@labb.contactor.se) |
| 23:11:36 | Shebb | Hi, I have finally got playback going on my drum machine. I would relly appriciate it if someone could test it out and give me a little feedback. |
| 23:11:53 | Shebb | http://www.geocities.com/henriksens2710/stepseq.htm |
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| 23:15:27 | austriancoder | Shebb: nice idea |
| 23:16:36 | Shebb | Thanks! |
| 23:17:16 | Shebb | I want to make some utility to get loops out of any file supported by the codecs |
| 23:17:52 | Shebb | then make a little beat slicer for the loops |
| 23:19:45 | DarkkOne | I've downloaded it. I'll build it and give 'er a shot later then. |
| 23:19:55 | Shebb | Thanks a lot! |
| 23:20:47 | DarkkOne | Seems like a pretty neat idea. |
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| 23:38:24 | susan | hello - can someone answer a quick q re booting up rockbox? |
| 23:39:03 | uski | ask |
| 23:39:25 | susan | hi, when i boot up rockbox, normally i see the root and folders... |
| 23:39:34 | uski | yes |
| 23:39:43 | susan | i am rebooting now after loading stuff and i see a blank screen w battery icon and an arrow |
| 23:39:49 | uski | press F2 |
| 23:39:54 | susan | iHP 120 |
| 23:39:58 | uski | oh |
| 23:39:59 | uski | hmm |
| 23:40:07 | Shebb | I might be able to help then |
| 23:40:14 | Shebb | Are you using the right file system? |
| 23:40:14 | uski | what is happening is that your iHp shows the "id3 database" |
| 23:40:20 | Shebb | yeah |
| 23:40:24 | uski | it is a setting that you can change |
| 23:40:31 | susan | ok..how? |
| 23:40:33 | uski | but i don't know how on iHp, maybe that Shebb knows ;) |
| 23:40:34 | Shebb | Press the ab button |
| 23:40:50 | Shebb | then genreal settings |
| 23:41:04 | Shebb | the show files |
| 23:41:06 | amiconn | There's a shortcut on iriver as well |
| 23:41:06 | uski | bye all |
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| 23:41:17 | amiconn | (the equivalent of the F2 menu on archos) |
| 23:41:18 | susan | resetting |
| 23:41:20 | susan | ok.. |
| 23:41:23 | Shebb | switch that to anything other than database |
| 23:41:29 | amiconn | Press and hold the AB button a bit |
| 23:41:52 | amiconn | A "quick menu" will pop up |
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| 23:42:18 | susan | well...i am getting nothing |
| 23:42:19 | amiconn | With 'joystick down' you can cycle through the file view modes |
| 23:42:43 | susan | here is what i see when i power up in rockbox mode.. |
| 23:42:45 | amiconn | Press AB again to leave the quick menu |
| 23:43:34 | susan | battery icon, a half arrow poitning left, a black box (square) w arrow and another tiny icon..maybe the "hold" or lock |
| 23:43:43 | susan | ok..it was in hold..now what |
| 23:44:04 | susan | i presss a/b and get the shuffle mode w arrows |
| 23:44:23 | susan | ok..i am in general settings now |
| 23:45:34 | susan | ok, file view,,,is that right amiconn? |
| 23:46:06 | Shebb | thats the right one |
| 23:47:23 | susan | ok..so in file view,.then what? |
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| 23:49:18 | Shebb | what does it say there? |
| 23:49:34 | Shebb | ID3 databack? |
| 23:50:17 | susan | i went to gen settings, file view..then show files..it was ID3 tag |
| 23:50:22 | susan | i swicthed it to all |
| 23:50:30 | susan | c`an i power off and back on now? |
| 23:51:22 | susan | it keeps staying in ID3 database when i reboot |
| 23:51:30 | susan | it keeps defaulting back to ID3 databse |
| 23:51:40 | susan | so i do not see any folders or root when i power on |
| 23:52:51 | susan | i have it |
| 23:52:53 | susan | than u |
| 23:53:19 | susan | now my albums that i loaded are listed alphabetically BACKWARDS |
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| 23:54:02 | Shebb | go to Sort Files |
| 23:54:09 | Shebb | same place as show files |
| 23:54:13 | Shebb | and change it there |
| 23:54:29 | susan | ok..change it to what? |
| 23:54:53 | Shebb | alphabetical |
| 23:55:00 | Shebb | and do sort directories |
| 23:55:02 | susan | i made a folder w albums in chronological order and sent the foleder to the iHP, but then they come back alphabetically.. |
| 23:55:12 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:56:20 | susan | o thi was thinking i would have to name an album 01 the beatles, folder 2 would be 02 yellow submarine (so that yellow sub does not go to the end due to the y) |
| 23:56:37 | susan | is there a way to sort foldrrs (directories) so they wont be alpha? |
| 23:56:49 | Shebb | like... how? |
| 23:57:23 | Shebb | I would place yellow dub |
| 23:57:26 | Shebb | under beatles |
| 23:57:28 | susan | like say i wanted a beatles folder w folders of albums within the beatles folder.. |
| 23:57:45 | Shebb | put them in there in the harddrive |
| 23:57:45 | susan | i'd want them to be in chrono order of release date..not alpha ordered by title name |
| 23:57:57 | DarkkOne | What you could do is "YYYY - Album Name" for the folder name |
| 23:58:09 | DarkkOne | Alot of programs can even generate folders named like that for you. |
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| 23:58:54 | susan | i mean as an example "Abbey Road" is a late album..maybe # 10 of 15 in a beatles folder, but it always goes to #1 |
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