#rockbox 2005-07-24

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#rockbox log for 2005-07-24

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00:21:36	t0mas\|laptop	hi
00:21:37	t0mas\|laptop	:D
00:21:39	*	t0mas\|laptop is back
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00:21:54	t0mas\|laptop	damn I missed rockbox for 2 weeks :)
00:22:02	BePe86	still having trouble with win32 simulator for h120
00:22:08	XavierGr	hi t0mas!
00:22:08	BePe86	following error pops up in the console:
00:22:09	BePe86	We open the real file 'archos/.rockbox/codecs/mpa.codec' failed to load archos/_temp_codec.dll Blopen(archos/_temp_codec.dll): ■
00:22:28	t0mas\|laptop	hi XavierGr
00:22:36	BePe86	the files excists in the correct folders
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00:24:35	XavierGr	Does anyone remember how can I add my changes (for several files) to the latest build?
00:24:43	t0mas\|laptop	yes
00:24:48	XavierGr	:)
00:24:50	t0mas\|laptop	cvs commit files1.c file2.c file3.c
00:25:14	XavierGr	but this is a commot command. I dont have cvs access
00:25:20	t0mas\|laptop	oooh
00:25:24	t0mas\|laptop	then test for all builds
00:25:27	t0mas\|laptop	and email me
00:25:32	t0mas\|laptop	or someone else with cvs access
00:25:48	XavierGr	no I dont want it commited. I just want to update my build.
00:26:00	t0mas\|laptop	ooooh
00:26:07	t0mas\|laptop	cvs diff -u > patch.diff
00:26:10	t0mas\|laptop	and then update
00:26:15	t0mas\|laptop	and patch < patch.diff
00:26:54	XavierGr	so nothing will be lost? I mean my build hasn't got the new cvs changes, and cvs hasn't got my changes.
00:27:01	t0mas\|laptop	but it will give some error's if the changes are in the same files
00:27:14	t0mas\|laptop	well... first backup copy your changes
00:27:18	t0mas\|laptop	and then try this
00:28:00	XavierGr	that's the idea I would update manually just adding my modified files, but my files are updated to something newer...
00:28:28	Coldtoast	how's the remote support going then?
00:28:35	Coldtoast	got anything usable?
00:28:39	t0mas\|laptop	I don know anything
00:28:45	t0mas\|laptop	damn... I missed way to much :P
00:29:02	Coldtoast	sorry. that was for XavierGr
00:29:11	t0mas\|laptop	ah he did something?
00:29:12	t0mas\|laptop	cool :D
00:29:25	t0mas\|laptop	XavierGr? documented it somewhere? or have to time update me?
00:29:36	t0mas\|laptop	*the time
00:29:59	XavierGr	Coldtoast: well I didn't have much time to do something. I just fixed the remote caption backlight
00:30:10	XavierGr	t0mas:sure
00:30:14	Coldtoast	hmm. ok
00:30:52	XavierGr	t0mas: What I did was a quick mod of tree.c wps.c and wps-display.c to have remote rendering.
00:30:57	XavierGr	I did this by...
00:31:34	XavierGr	replicating all lines that have "lcd_" functions to "lcd_remote" ones
00:31:38	XavierGr	though...
00:32:02	t0mas\|laptop	haha
00:32:05	t0mas\|laptop	I did that too
00:33:11	XavierGr	this is a dirty one and cant be commited because there are some bugs. The most annoying is that the height is defined before rendering (has to do with file tree logic) and the remote hides some lines. Fortunately I made an option for proper remote display (then the main screen is cut in half for the file tree view)
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00:33:59	XavierGr	One thing that it is worth commiting is that I add all possible LCD options for the remote.
00:34:37	t0mas\|laptop	that sounds like a good one
00:34:44	XavierGr	Such as : Caption Backlight, Scrolling options, Show Icons, Line Selector, Scrollbar-Statusbar. e.t.c
00:35:04	t0mas\|laptop	we should organize the menu a bit better
00:35:18	t0mas\|laptop	as this is slowly becomming a mess
00:35:36	XavierGr	t0mas: link -> http://www.misticriver.net/boards/showthread.php?t=25650.
00:35:48	XavierGr	^ without the '.' in the end
00:36:18	XavierGr	Organize the settings menu you mean?
00:36:45	t0mas\|laptop	yes
00:36:49	t0mas\|laptop	or all menus
00:37:09	t0mas\|laptop	do you mind if I start hacking on your remote stuff?
00:37:22	XavierGr	Well I think that setting menus aren't so congested (too many options) except if you mean something else
00:37:28	XavierGr	By all means no
00:37:30	t0mas\|laptop	I'm going to me bored tomorrow... so it would be great to fix that
00:37:33	XavierGr	do whatever you want
00:37:37	Coldtoast	hmm. is it really a good idea to post non-official builds tho XavierGr?
00:37:53	t0mas\|laptop	well... Coldtoast... it is...
00:38:00	t0mas\|laptop	but maybe it's better to post a patch
00:38:00	Coldtoast	hmmmm. ok.....
00:38:12	t0mas\|laptop	so only people with a dev env. can do something with it
00:38:20	Coldtoast	see, to me that seems like you're opening yourself up to a MASSIVE headache
00:38:23	XavierGr	Well cant do anything else. I do this more for myself because I am dying using the remote (the only think that kept me away from rockbox)
00:39:03	XavierGr	And I am not responsible for that changes, though I use them myself all the time with out any danger.
00:39:06	t0mas\|laptop	Coldtoast: if you just post a patch on the rockbox forum you don't get that much questions
00:39:20	Coldtoast	just look at your thread there for example. already you get a bunch of ppl with bug reports. When you post a build, in a way you're committed to fixing any bugs
00:39:21	t0mas\|laptop	oh that was my other problem :(
00:39:27	t0mas\|laptop	my iriver firmware doesn't work anymore
00:39:37	t0mas\|laptop	so I'm going to hack on that first tomorrow
00:39:46	XavierGr	how did you managed that?
00:39:55	t0mas\|laptop	rename a playlist it was playing
00:40:20	t0mas\|laptop	Coldtoast: you are... but is that a problem? in the end... we all want it bugfree... so I don't mind getting bugreports
00:40:28	XavierGr	on original f/w or on rockbox?
00:40:35	t0mas\|laptop	I renamed it from rockbox
00:40:47	Coldtoast	well, I just think it's better to keep it all together
00:40:53	t0mas\|laptop	and the original doesn't boot now... I think because it can't find the playlist
00:41:00	XavierGr	and how that prevent you from booting original f/w
00:41:08	XavierGr	oh
00:41:11	Coldtoast	rather than having ppl with individual little branches, no matter how minor. But anyway
00:41:11	t0mas\|laptop	it stops after reading filesystem
00:41:30	XavierGr	make another playlist with the same name? maybe?
00:41:37	t0mas\|laptop	yes, going to try that
00:41:44	t0mas\|laptop	Coldtoast: I said patches...
00:42:03	t0mas\|laptop	then you don't have separate branches
00:42:19	Coldtoast	oh. I'm talkign about building stuff for ppl to dl and install on their players
00:42:44	XavierGr	Coldtoast: What do you suggest. Amiconn said that there is no priority for the remote. I was dying for it. Took the courage to see the code and made the remote build. Then I thought that many people would want it. So I posted it.
00:43:36	XavierGr	Patches arent for normal users. Some time I have problems to apply a patch.
00:44:11	Coldtoast	I suggest... maybe you being the "remote guy" and posting things to be committed to the official builds
00:44:49	Coldtoast	it's only not a priority cos nobody's working on it, isn't it?
00:45:06	Coldtoast	so if you step up and decide to work on the remote, cool
00:46:51	XavierGr	Well the problem Coldtoast is, that my coding skill are limited and far for enabling me to make proper changes to code. If had the skills and my code was mature, nothing would be of a hassle. Someone would just commit my code. But this is not the case
00:46:54	Coldtoast	I know I'm one of the ppl who really would like a fully functional remote :
00:47:52	Coldtoast	I realise it's open source and therefore ppl can do what they like, pretty much. heh
00:48:06	Coldtoast	dunno. I kinda just think it's a potential mess
00:49:06	XavierGr	well I think that this is a temporary solution for remote fans. Maybe I could improve my coding and make something worth commitment...
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00:49:18	Coldtoast	just an opinion, obviously. like arseholes, we all have em
00:49:39	t0mas\|laptop	I will try to help with the remote
00:49:42	XavierGr	So will you be using my build in the end?
00:49:49	Coldtoast	me?
00:49:50	t0mas\|laptop	tomorrow... after my iriver firmware works again
00:50:24	XavierGr	:) thanks t0mas I trust you as a skilled coder (opposite to my bad skils)
00:50:39	XavierGr	yes Coldtoast you.
00:50:39	t0mas\|laptop	don't put to much trust in my coding skills...
00:50:48	t0mas\|laptop	I haven't touched a keybord in 3 weeks
00:51:00	XavierGr	Where you were lost man?
00:51:17	Coldtoast	well nah. I'll just wait for support in a bleedign edge build
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00:51:42	Coldtoast	I'm used to using the remote with no display now
00:51:54	t0mas\|laptop	XavierGr: St. Tropez :D
00:51:58	Coldtoast	plus at the moment I like looking at my WPS :)
00:52:11	Coldtoast	it's booful
00:52:17	t0mas\|laptop	screenshot!
00:52:19	t0mas\|laptop	:P
00:52:21	XavierGr	the upper part of WPS cant be rendered in the remote.
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00:52:54	XavierGr	(all can be rendered but if the font is big only this that can fit the remote screen)
00:53:21	XavierGr	(oh and peak meters or progress bars cant currently work on the remote)
00:53:53	t0mas\|laptop	why not make a very simple default remote wps? independant of the normal one?
00:54:09	t0mas\|laptop	and then build on that for a configurable nice wps
00:54:11	Coldtoast	it's 9am here. I better get some sleep
00:54:19	XavierGr	well that need to make a new wps.c and a wps-display.c
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00:54:47	XavierGr	or should I say a remote-wps.c and a remote-wps-disply.c
00:55:40	XavierGr	t0mas:cvs diff: No CVSROOT specified! Please use the `-d' option
00:55:41	XavierGr	cvs [diff aborted]: or set the CVSROOT environment variable.
00:56:23		Quit west-acre ("�I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n� 2.0 Build 3515")
00:57:03	t0mas\|laptop	XavierGr: then cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox diff -u
00:57:10	t0mas\|laptop	or something like that...
00:57:27	t0mas\|laptop	check the wiki page about cvs... I can't remember how anonymous login worked
01:00
01:01:27	t0mas\|laptop	yawns
01:01:36	t0mas\|laptop	I've been in the car the whole day...
01:01:48	t0mas\|laptop	drove from St. Tropez to Holland in 1 day
01:02:06	t0mas\|laptop	so I'm going upstairs...
01:02:10	t0mas\|laptop	c u
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01:06:02	XavierGr	bye t0mas!
01:06:39	XavierGr	Tomorrow maybe I will be in my village so for a couple of day I will be off-line
01:07:11	XavierGr	I hope we will talk a little (for the remote) tomorrow before I leave
01:14:11	t0mas	yes I'm here now ;)
01:14:20	t0mas	and you know my email address?
01:18:21	XavierGr	oh no...
01:18:32	XavierGr	is it written on IRC nicks?
01:25:39	t0mas	ehm
01:25:43	t0mas	it's on my wiki page
01:25:51	t0mas	but it's firstname@lastname.nl
01:25:58	t0mas	Tomas Salfischberger
01:26:00	t0mas	is my name :)
01:26:23	t0mas	(anti spam-harvesting... logs are on the internet)
01:29:04	XavierGr	ok got it
01:29:09	t0mas	:)
01:29:17	t0mas	stupid iriver firmware still doesn't boot btw...
01:29:40	XavierGr	As soon as I manage to update my build to the latest one. (inlude cvs changes) I will send you the source and a patch
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01:37:33	t0mas	hm...
01:38:15	*	t0mas is wondering what the address of the EEPROM is
01:38:47	XavierGr	are you sure that it's the deleted playlist to blame?
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01:40:04	t0mas	no I'm not sure
01:40:19	t0mas	but I'm almost sure :)
01:40:28	t0mas	it is that.. or the disk editing by rockbox...
01:40:36	t0mas	so I'm going to run scandisk tomorrow
01:41:04	t0mas	and after that... It's time to get digging in the EEPROM... to find out what iriver f/w tries to read
01:41:19	XavierGr	a format maybe more of help
01:41:32	t0mas	maybe...
01:41:46	XavierGr	which bootloader you got?
01:41:53	t0mas	that's the problem :)
01:42:00	XavierGr	I thought so
01:42:00	t0mas	and old 1... (but with bootloader usb mode)
01:42:15	t0mas	I don't need the iriver f/w... only for updating the bootloader
01:42:35	XavierGr	nice if you have USB bootlaoder support
01:42:40	t0mas	yes
01:42:42	XavierGr	no need to worry for the format
01:42:45	t0mas	but maybe linus will take a shot at writing the rom from rockbox some day
01:42:53	t0mas	then I don't need the iriver f/w at all
01:43:27	XavierGr	It will be a coll day when the iriver f/w hasn't got anything better than Rockbox
01:43:35	XavierGr	^cool
01:44:03	t0mas	literally ;)
01:44:12	t0mas	it won't be done before winter ;-)
01:48:23	XavierGr	probably
01:48:44	XavierGr	in the mean time I have a hard time updating my files to latest build and include my changes.
01:49:18	XavierGr	I have downloaded latest build. and I have my modded files to a folder.
01:49:45	XavierGr	now I want to see the differences between these files and add the changes to the latest build
01:50:20	XavierGr	other way is to manually see each change and write it my self but this is an overkill
01:51:15	t0mas	diff -u
01:51:21	t0mas	diff -u file1 file2
01:51:29	t0mas	then you have all differences between the files
01:52:00	XavierGr	I will try that
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01:56:26	XavierGr	ok I've got the changes. Now I want to ADD the my differences to the latest
01:57:28	XavierGr	because the produced patch has a '-' sign in all my changes.
01:57:57	t0mas	erm...
01:58:03	t0mas	diff -u file2 file1
01:58:08	t0mas	you had the wrong order...
01:58:12	XavierGr	ah ok
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01:59:32	t0mas	but... I'm too tired to work on...
01:59:38	XavierGr	maybe I am mistaken. If I do the latest all the new changes (commited) will be removed
01:59:44	t0mas	I'm continuing tomorrow ok?
01:59:49	XavierGr	ok
01:59:58	t0mas	yes, the new changes will be removed
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02:00:04	t0mas	so you have to checkout the old version
02:00:13	t0mas	what date is the source you made your changes on?
02:00:31	XavierGr	20 of july
02:00:35	t0mas	you should diff between that clean version... and your changed version
02:00:48	t0mas	then you have only +es for your changes
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02:00:56	t0mas	and then you can try to apply that to the new sources
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02:01:29	t0mas	good night
02:01:29	XavierGr	ah got it!
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02:01:35	XavierGr	thanks and good night
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02:06:41	XavierGr	hi Fwbs
02:06:51	XavierGr	^Febs
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12:34:53	Moos	Hi t0mas
12:35:07	t0mas	hi
12:35:49	Moos	how are you? did you past a good holidays? :)
12:36:02	t0mas	really good
12:36:06	t0mas	super weather
12:36:14	t0mas	got really brown :)
12:36:20	Moos	hehe
12:36:25	t0mas	only missed rockbox a bit :)
12:36:30	t0mas	and my iriver f/w has stopped working
12:36:43	Moos	:)
12:40:40	t0mas	it doesn't boot anymore...
12:40:51	t0mas	and I think it's because I removed a playlist it was playing
12:40:57	t0mas	but I'm not sure
12:41:09	Moos	strange
12:41:39	Moos	anybody reported this before :(
12:43:08	t0mas	where?
12:43:11	t0mas	misticrivier?
12:45:34	Moos	*nobody scuse, it why is strange
12:47:14	Moos	what version of bootloader have you?
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12:49:39	Moos	lunch time here :)
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13:14:02	t0mas	Moos: version 1
13:14:08	t0mas	hi amiconn
13:14:31	amiconn	hi
13:15:38	Coldtoast	eh. can't believe I just PAID for frigging firmware for my router
13:18:35	t0mas	:\|
13:18:37	t0mas	what brand?
13:18:55	Coldtoast	Linksys
13:19:28	t0mas	there's also an opensource firmware fir linksys routers isn't it?
13:19:32	t0mas	*for
13:19:42	Coldtoast	yeah. the Linksys fw is opensource
13:19:53	Coldtoast	Sveasoft charge $20 for their version of it
13:19:56	t0mas	then what have you payed for?
13:20:01	t0mas	ah
13:20:06	Coldtoast	good question. heh
13:20:08	t0mas	and it's really great?
13:20:14	Coldtoast	I'll fin dout anyway
13:20:25	t0mas	and are they allowed to sell it?
13:20:27	Coldtoast	it's supposed to be the most fully featured
13:20:36	t0mas	I would email linksys about it... don't think they like this
13:20:42	Coldtoast	well, that's something ppl question
13:20:52	Coldtoast	they MUST know about it
13:20:57	t0mas	linksys firmware is GPL right?
13:21:01	Coldtoast	yeah
13:21:09	t0mas	and you got the source with that sold version?
13:21:15	t0mas	or isn't it based on linksys firmware?
13:21:16	Coldtoast	furthermore... it's $20 a YEAR
13:21:29	Coldtoast	hold on
13:21:32	Coldtoast	I'll get you a link
13:21:56	Coldtoast	http://wrt54g.thermoman.de/
13:22:17	ashridah	there's no reason they a) can't mix in some of their own gear, and charge money for that, plus distribution of the gpl stuff they used from linksys
13:22:26	ashridah	s/a)//
13:22:38	ashridah	after all, redhat does it all the time
13:22:42	t0mas	but they must give you the sources
13:23:12	ashridah	t0mas: to the gpl stuff, sure
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13:23:22	ashridah	not if they've written their own programs to go with it
13:23:48	ashridah	and if they didn't modify any of the gpl stuff, they can settle for giving you a link to the original source's location
13:25:31	t0mas	yes
13:25:44	t0mas	but it looks like they based a new firmware on a GPL based one
13:25:55	t0mas	and they have to give you the sources then...
13:26:24	ashridah	that depends what they modified, and how they added stuff
13:26:41	ashridah	after all, just because the linux kernel is GPL, doesn't mean that all ELF binaries that run on it need to be GPL as well
13:26:55	Coldtoast	there's been a bit of a kafuffle over the Sveasoft situation for some tme now tho
13:27:10	Coldtoast	anywya. I've ended up subscribing
13:27:47	Coldtoast	the only thing I AM dubious about is the fact they SEEMINGLY want the MAC of my router befor eI can download
13:27:53	Lear	Anyone who knows how accurate the tick is? For measuring time, that is...
13:29:10	ashridah	Coldtoast: sounds about right. to stop their own software from working in extra routers, they're perfectly well within their rights to have it refuse to run on routers with a different MAC address
13:29:19	ashridah	regardless if some parts of the software are GPL
13:29:21	ashridah	or not
13:30:20	amiconn	Lear: The tick is accurate (typical crystal oscillator) as long as no boost/ unboost transition occurs
13:30:56	amiconn	Each boost/ unboost adds an uncertainty of <= 10 ms
13:30:56	Coldtoast	ashridah: that's all well and good, but they ALSO want the MACs of the machines connected
13:31:06	Coldtoast	I don't think I agree with that AT ALL
13:31:06	Lear	Well, I was trying to time a codec (with the CPU boosted all the time), but I got fairly large fluctuations in time.
13:31:21	ashridah	yeah, that's getting a bit far
13:31:31	Coldtoast	dunno tho. I may not have to supply it
13:31:43	Coldtoast	just joined their IRC chan so I'll ask what the deal is there
13:31:45	ashridah	just give them a list of contiguous MAC addresses, and then just change the mac addresses of all of your machines to match ;)
13:31:55	Coldtoast	heh
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14:51:50	MikeNoe33	Hi. I've looked around a bit and couldn't find any evidence that this is a known issue, so I thought I would mention it here. Please forgive me if this is known already. I have a couple vorbis files that are encoded at a high bitrate (Q10 ~600kb). When playing these files, the audio breaks every 10 or 15 sec to page.
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15:17:23	Lear	mikenoe33: yes, it is known (has been mentioned on the mailing list).
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15:19:25	CoCoLUS	it's not that sensible, anyway
15:20:52	CoCoLUS	use flac if quality is that important to you, plays back fine with rockbox and it's lossless
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17:34:19	Lear	Hm.. I really don't like Vim (at least not the version in Cygwin)... :)
17:34:54	Lear	It's almost impossible to be sure what has been entered, if you start deleting and rewritinging, etc...
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18:58:07	SmoothGuy69	hi
18:58:20	SmoothGuy69	guys shall i buy the color iriver or the older black and white one
18:58:30	SmoothGuy69	i think the scroll is too slow on color
18:58:40	SmoothGuy69	what makes the rockbox version better scroller?
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19:03:31	webguest32	I'm a longtime lurker - been reading the IRC logs on and off for months. Just had to stop by to express my delight with the progress on the iRiver Rockbox front. With the latest addition of replaygain support, I'm as happy as a pig in .... (well, you know :) Great job folks - and thanks Lear for the replaygain especially. :)
19:03:49	crwl	what, is replaygain already there? :)
19:03:53	SmoothGuy69	what's so good baout it
19:03:56	SmoothGuy69	replaygain?
19:04:03	SmoothGuy69	i am totally new to iriver and rockbox
19:04:04	SmoothGuy69	:)(
19:04:58	CoCoLUS	replaygain adjusts the playback volume so that is sounds equally loud for all your files
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19:05:43	webguest32	For a good explanation, check out http://replaygain.hydrogenaudio.org/technical_outline.html
19:06:03	SmoothGuy69	guys how do you get around the horrible scroll prob
19:06:06	SmoothGuy69	ie too slow
19:06:21	SmoothGuy69	i took my ipod apart and soldered the scroll wheel to the front of the iriver, works good.
19:09:49	webguest32	The scroll speed is completely configurable in Rockbox settings...
19:10:05	SmoothGuy69	can it go from slow to fast?
19:10:12	SmoothGuy69	is there scroll speed for the color 20gb iriver?
19:10:26	webguest32	Yes.
19:10:29	SmoothGuy69	really iriver suck for that stupid 4x scroll speed
19:10:51	SmoothGuy69	webguest32 - is that rockbox firmware scroll speed for color?
19:10:55	webguest32	There is no Rockbox for any of the colour iRiver devices
19:10:59	SmoothGuy69	cuz i tried the normal one
19:11:00	SmoothGuy69	ah damn.
19:11:06	SmoothGuy69	should i try get black and white one?
19:11:46	SmoothGuy69	B&W 20hb - 125 Colour - 180
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19:11:53	SmoothGuy69	i can watch scarface on the color one tho
19:11:53	SmoothGuy69	:)
19:12:01	uski	mo0
19:12:05	SmoothGuy69	woof!
19:12:22	webguest32	Eventually there will be a version of Rockbox for the H3xx colour devices
19:12:33	SmoothGuy69	that would be nice.
19:12:49	SmoothGuy69	what one shud i buy
19:12:57	SmoothGuy69	is the battery life suck on color one?
19:13:34	webguest32	I don't have a colour one. I've got a H120 (B&W)
19:13:43	uski	i have a gmini 400, which is color (but of course not supported by rockbox) - i get very good battery times, but only when i don't use the video viewing feature
19:13:58	uski	i think that the backlight of the color LCDs uses a lot of power
19:14:45	SmoothGuy69	ya
19:15:01	SmoothGuy69	yea not sure which one to get
19:15:15	SmoothGuy69	black and white one would be good tho you get the remote
19:15:22	SmoothGuy69	i want ipod, both irivers
19:15:28	SmoothGuy69	archos video jukebox
19:15:28	SmoothGuy69	lol
19:15:30	SmoothGuy69	all of them
19:15:42	uski	ipod sucks, serisouly
19:15:47	SmoothGuy69	i want a creative zen micro too
19:15:47	uski	and i don't like apple
19:15:51	SmoothGuy69	ya ipod does
19:16:41	webguest32	The only good thing about the ipod is that it has major market share and therefore good 3rd party vendor support
19:16:57	uski	what do you mean by "support" ?
19:17:08	SmoothGuy69	guys last word
19:17:12	uski	you cannot even change the battery
19:17:13	SmoothGuy69	black and white or color iriver?
19:17:15	SmoothGuy69	what one would you get
19:17:22	uski	and if you want to do so, you pay $100, and they give you another iPod
19:17:24	uski	possibly an older version
19:17:34	webguest32	Well, not so much "support" in the traditional sense but support in that there are lots of accessories and what not...
19:17:35	uski	they are really taking their users for nuts, yet they ask a lot of money for their thing
19:17:47	SmoothGuy69	ya prolly older then
19:17:49	SmoothGuy69	thanks bye x
19:17:53	uski	bye
19:17:59	crwl	well, you "can't" change the battery in iriver either
19:18:15	uski	neither you can in the gmini 400 :)
19:18:21	uski	but ipods are very expensive for what they do
19:18:36	SmoothGuy69	what are the advantages to old version
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19:19:41	webguest32	Anyway, I also have to go. I'll be lurking! :)
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19:42:21	leftright	hmm, i was lurking, is Raplygain working on the H140 ?
19:42:32	leftright	Replaygain
19:48:04	leftright	are there any settings for it if so, like 'Radio' and 'Audiophile' ?
19:48:33	leftright	Lear ^^
19:49:15	Lear	yes?
19:50:36	Lear	Why not take a look? :) I tested it on an H140, btw.
19:50:51	leftright	Radio and Audiophile ?
19:50:55	Stryke`	only for Vorbis?
19:51:18	leftright	I will surely take a look :))
19:52:53	leftright	ah, its for vorbis files only, good going, mp3......
19:53:03	Lear	Only Vorbis, because that's what I use most...
19:53:25	leftright	I'll wait for the mp3 version then
19:53:31	leftright	its what i use
19:53:36	Lear	But it makes it a lot easier to add other formats as well, such as mpc, once playback works well.
19:53:52	leftright	great, nice going
19:53:55	Stryke`	mp3 will require APEv2 tag reading, i suppose
19:54:11	Lear	mp3gain can be used already, though you can't switch between track and album gain, but I'm looking at what Foobar writes for ID3V2 tags for it...
19:54:19	leftright	no it can also store the info in V2
19:54:24	Stryke`	oh
19:55:37	Lear	Btw, anyone know a good ID3V2 tag editor? The one I use now (and that looked promising) can't read Foobar 0.9 beta tags at all... :/
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19:56:46	leftright	try mp3 tag studio
19:57:16	leftright	http://www.magnusbrading.com/mp3ts/
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19:58:18	Lear	Hm, yes.. Tried that; pretty good, but a bit more than what I need really. :)
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19:59:31	leftright	yes it is quite comprehensive, but also simple to use for single tasks
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20:00:04	Lear	Hm.. Can it show the contents of any (text) tag?
20:00:57	leftright	not sure, been a long time since I used it, I'll check
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20:02:08	Lear	thanks, I'm downloading it now though. :)
20:02:47	cosmoca1	is there a rockbox develeopper in the room?
20:02:59	uski	just ask cosmoca1
20:03:01	cosmoca1	I have a little request....
20:04:18	uski	just ask ! :)
20:04:36	cosmoca1	like I explain on the forum, I want to change the value of a constant in the source code of rockbox....
20:04:39	cosmoca1	http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1088.0
20:05:23	leftright	Lear, do you just want to read the text info or replaygain info ?
20:05:56	Lear	I want to take a close look at a tag written by Foobar, without having to do it via a hex dump. :)
20:06:41	Lear	mp3ts did show me what I needed... good...
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20:09:20	leftright	good :)
20:14:32	cosmoca1	uski, your still here?? :)
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20:38:49	t0mas	does anybody know the name of a song by Eric Clapton with this line in it: "Would you know my name.... If I saw you in heaven."
20:38:59	Stryke`	tears in heaven
20:39:02	t0mas	tnx
20:39:13	t0mas	ah, found it
20:39:19	*	t0mas is really bad at names...
20:39:31	t0mas	and it's difficult to skip though 7 cd's to check all songs
20:39:32	t0mas	haha
20:39:37	Stryke`	heh
20:45:21	*	t0mas np: Eric Clapton - 10 - Tears in Heaven (0:20) [http://amarok.kde.org/]
20:45:33	t0mas	also found it on my pc :D
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21:25:33	cosmoca1	thanks a lot
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23:34:44	preglow	hi
23:35:18	Cassandra	Hiya
23:35:55	Coldtoast	hey Cassandra
23:35:58	Coldtoast	hi preglow
23:36:07	Coldtoast	Cassandra: got the battery in there yet?
23:36:47	Cassandra	ct: Yeah.
23:36:51	Cassandra	Works great.
23:36:54	Coldtoast	was it easy?
23:37:02	Cassandra	Unfortunately I killed my internal mic.
23:37:06	Cassandra	Not very, no.
23:37:13	Coldtoast	wow! how'd that happen?
23:37:16	Cassandra	But I got there in the end.
23:37:25	preglow	i dont remeber if i'm the one who's responsible for it, but the FRACMUL comments in dsp.c is wrong
23:37:25	Cassandra	Wires got pulled out.
23:37:31	preglow	and the generic FRACMUL implementation
23:37:45	Cassandra	I soldered them back in, but heat from the iron may have fried the mic when I did that.
23:37:55	Coldtoast	awww damn
23:38:05	Cassandra	Never used it much anyway.
23:38:18	Cassandra	But I had to take out the disc to get at some of the screws.
23:38:32	Coldtoast	the HDD?
23:38:49	Cassandra	Which given some of the disassembly instructions saying remove the battery before the HDD was a little confusing.
23:39:00	Coldtoast	didn't you completely disassemble it?
23:39:02	Cassandra	My battery connector was on the bottom of the board.
23:39:20	Cassandra	Yes, I did, eventually.
23:39:32	Coldtoast	oh. cos when I did it, I completely disassembled it
23:40:05	Cassandra	Far as I could see you can't change the battery without completely disassembling.
23:40:15	Coldtoast	yeah
23:40:47	Coldtoast	the connector on the mobo is tucked in there behind something else and I found it a little bit fiddly to unplug
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23:41:54	Cassandra	But works like a charm though. Been really useful this weekend, and I've not even got close to battery drained state. :)
23:42:10	Coldtoast	hehe. awesome
23:42:46	Cassandra	There's always the external mic anyway. I don't tend to record very much at all.
23:42:59	Coldtoast	definitely worth the ~$20US
23:44:01	Cassandra	What I'm really looking forward to is plugging the iRiver into this though: http://www.dagogo.com/CES2005/
23:44:29	Cassandra	(bloody stereo shops not actually keeping their products in stock)
23:45:21	Cassandra	Yes, upgrade was definitely worth the money. :)
23:45:54	Coldtoast	heh
23:46:09	Coldtoast	I found somebody to give the useless tools too :)
23:46:19	Coldtoast	the ones that came with teh battery
23:46:32	Cassandra	Hmmm. This replaygain support thing looks interesting, but too much hassle to get into my MP3 collection,
23:46:34	Coldtoast	he has a 1st gen ipod with battery life of 3-4hrs
23:46:49	Cassandra	So you gave him your old battery, right?
23:46:55	Coldtoast	HELL no
23:47:04	Coldtoast	if he wanted that, he can pay for it
23:47:22	Cassandra	Then what use is the tool to him?
23:47:35	Coldtoast	well, he has an ipod. heh
23:47:39	Coldtoast	he may as well have the tools
23:48:08	Coldtoast	maybe he'll get a replacement without them. dunno
23:48:21	Cassandra	Possible, I suppose.
23:48:29	Coldtoast	dod you buy from Ezipda?
23:48:40	Coldtoast	did
23:48:50	preglow	cassandra: the replaygain tagging process is pretty automatic
23:49:59	Cassandra	Not as automatics as pointing EAC at LAME.DLL, sadly.
23:50:01	Coldtoast	what's funny is before some dude came in talking about replaygain support on Rio players
23:50:16	Coldtoast	I mentioned I use MP3Gain and he said "MP3Gain's shite"
23:50:32	preglow	it's more or less the same
23:50:50	Coldtoast	interesting that the replaygain site has MP3Gain linked
23:50:50	preglow	mp3gain is somewhat less of a hassle, since it doesn't require player support, and is a wee bit less precise
23:51:06	HCl	hello.
23:51:14	preglow	hi, hcl
23:51:42	Coldtoast	I use mp3gain cos I figre I'm tagging everything new anyway so mp3gaining new stuff is just another step in preparation for my h140
23:51:51	Cassandra	nods
23:52:04	Cassandra	I currently have a 3 stage process for importing new music.
23:52:13	Cassandra	Not really sure I want to add a fourth.
23:52:19	Coldtoast	but it's nice to have replaygain support for ppl liek the guy who was here before
23:52:50	Cassandra	Well, consistant volume levels while on random are definitely a good thing.
23:52:59	Coldtoast	definitely
23:53:45	Coldtoast	he also said the sound quality was better on Rio cos it does gapless. heh
23:53:48	Coldtoast	but anyway
23:54:36	preglow	i started replaygain tagging all my new music
23:54:41	preglow	but i just couldnt be bothered
23:54:46	preglow	so i stopped, heh
23:54:50	Coldtoast	haha
23:55:06	Coldtoast	it took quite a while to mp3gain even 7GB of music
23:55:17	Coldtoast	I'd hate to have clsoe to 40GB to do
23:55:25	Cassandra	Hmm. Says MP3gains stores the volume info in APE tags. But isn't the Rockbox support in ID3v2?
23:55:37	HCl	whats mp3gain?
23:55:56	Cassandra	Appears to be a posthoc replaygain tagger.
23:56:01	Cassandra	So you can do old files.
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23:56:22	HCl	english? :X
23:57:11	Cassandra	Not my fault you strange foriegn types don't understand my native langauge properly. :P
23:57:27	Cassandra	You run it on MP3 files and it adds replaygain info to them.
23:57:47	preglow	mp3gain is like replaygain, but mp3 specific, it alters every mp3 frame so even non-aware players will play it back correctly
23:57:52	Coldtoast	what were you using for adding replaygain tags preglow?
23:58:00	preglow	coldtoast: foobar2k
23:58:05	Cassandra	http://mp3gain.sourceforge.net/
23:58:09	Coldtoast	oh. didn't know it did that. heh
23:58:18	preglow	foobar does everything
23:58:23	preglow	it even buttered my toast the other day
23:58:42	Coldtoast	I'd use it but I like Winamp
23:58:46	Cassandra	I'm still waiting for the Rockbox plugin that will feed my cats for me.
23:58:58	CoCoLUS	it does anything, but configuring everything is a nightmare with foobar

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