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00:00:39 | ghode|afk | thinking of buying a x800 pro vivo to replace my 9600. |
00:00:49 | Coldtoast | ah hah |
00:00:54 | Coldtoast | I hah one of those |
00:00:56 | Lear | x800xl is nice in terms of price/performance... |
00:01:09 | Coldtoast | what did you want to know ghode|afk? |
00:01:22 | Coldtoast | I volt modded mine as well as unlocking the disabled pipes |
00:01:29 | ghode|afk | well i found a pro vivo for 180 new, about 20£ cheaper then the xl |
00:01:35 | Coldtoast | DEFINITELY get teh VIVO version tho |
00:01:40 | ghode|afk | what the 9600? |
00:01:51 | Coldtoast | nope. I had an x800 Pro |
00:02:02 | ghode|afk | i was reading today that you can volt mod the x800 with a pencil? |
00:02:07 | Coldtoast | there's a coupel of reasons to get the VIVO version |
00:02:15 | Coldtoast | yep |
00:02:21 | Coldtoast | absolutely true. I did it |
00:02:31 | ghode|afk | hehe and i thought i'd need to solder stuff >< |
00:02:47 | Coldtoast | the reason you sgould get the VIVO version is they use faster RAM than the non-VIVO version |
00:02:48 | ashridah | rofl. is the rockbox logo supposed to only show up for a split second before the unit goes to the file list? :) |
00:03:01 | ghode|afk | ashridah, yeah ;p |
00:03:02 | Coldtoast | and also the pipes can be unlocked via the BIOS, rather than a hardware mod |
00:03:05 | Lear | it boots to fast. :) |
00:03:08 | ghode|afk | nice |
00:03:11 | ashridah | uh. great :) |
00:03:29 | Coldtoast | I had the non-VIVO version. had to hard mod it |
00:03:44 | ghode|afk | qwll on order i have a 300gb hdd, the pro VIVO, and a zalman cooler, i'm also tempted to get 2gb of ram :/ |
00:04:00 | ghode|afk | my crappy m,/b only has two ram slots, both of which are taken. |
00:04:03 | Coldtoast | the VIVO has the same speed RAM as the faster x800 |
00:04:12 | Coldtoast | which Zalman? fo ryour card? |
00:04:28 | ghode|afk | v7000cu or something |
00:04:45 | Coldtoast | cool. What CPU are you running? |
00:05:00 | Coldtoast | that all-copper Zalmans are HEAVY tho. be aware of that |
00:05:03 | ghode|afk | Coldtoast; do you know anything about newer VIVOs having a slower core then the older ones? |
00:05:16 | Coldtoast | my Zalman HSF (for the CPU) weighs 734g |
00:05:33 | Coldtoast | that's probablt true. I haven't been following them tho |
00:05:33 | ghode|afk | currently have a 3.4 p4, cant overclock it much cos of crappy ram/mbb |
00:05:42 | thegeek | dont get the all-copper ones |
00:05:46 | Coldtoast | ah good good. What cooling do you have on that? |
00:05:47 | thegeek | the gain is not worth it |
00:06:11 | Coldtoast | I'm definitely with thegeek on this one. the all-copper Zalmans are HEAVY |
00:06:18 | thegeek | the alu versions are as good(1 to 2 degrees difference with max load) and a lot easier to handle and MUCH safer |
00:06:25 | ghode|afk | hmm this is gfx cooler btw, not cpu |
00:06:28 | Coldtoast | as I said, 734g is what my Zalman CNPS7000Cu weighs |
00:06:42 | Coldtoast | oh, i wouldn't buy all aluminium tho |
00:06:42 | ghode|afk | model is v700cu >< |
00:06:52 | ghode|afk | http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=91821 |
00:06:55 | Coldtoast | buy the al+cu version |
00:07:05 | thegeek | indeed |
00:07:06 | thegeek | and |
00:07:14 | Coldtoast | the reason being copper is a good conductor, al is a good dissipator |
00:07:18 | ghode|afk | not much price difference, and copper is always better right? ;p |
00:07:18 | thegeek | for a gfx cooler weight is almost more important |
00:07:29 | thegeek | since a heavy cooler will "warp" the card |
00:07:33 | thegeek | bend it |
00:07:44 | thegeek | and that is certainly not good (over time) |
00:07:52 | Coldtoast | I bought and installed an ATI Silencer |
00:07:53 | ghode|afk | good point |
00:08:09 | Coldtoast | they're cheap and do okay |
00:08:15 | thegeek | I dont think all-copper is any point with air-coolers |
00:08:20 | Coldtoast | I'd buy the Zalman tho to match my CPU cooling |
00:08:34 | thegeek | if you want better cooling water is the way to go |
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00:09:03 | Coldtoast | http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=9170620113&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=91820 |
00:09:05 | Coldtoast | buy that one |
00:10:02 | Coldtoast | why are you buyng the x800, btw? |
00:10:17 | Coldtoast | if I were buying now, it wouldn't be an x800 |
00:10:30 | Coldtoast | better to buy a 256MB 6600GT |
00:10:47 | ghode|afk | well hopefully so i can unlock it |
00:10:53 | Coldtoast | but why? |
00:11:01 | ghode|afk | and will last at least until next year |
00:11:01 | Coldtoast | seriously, consider this |
00:11:09 | Coldtoast | a 6600GT will last longer |
00:11:26 | Coldtoast | the 6x00 are more advanced cards |
00:11:41 | ghode|afk | hmm do you mean 6800gt or 6600gt? |
00:12:00 | Coldtoast | sure, the x800 is frigging FAST but throw Pixelshader 3 into the mix and your ATI card is left behind looking somewhat sad |
00:12:08 | Coldtoast | 6600GT as they're affordable |
00:12:15 | Coldtoast | if you can afford a 6800gt tho, cool |
00:12:43 | Coldtoast | the 6x00 series are more modern cards. The x800 is just a faster 9x00 |
00:12:53 | Coldtoast | they're based on the same core dude |
00:13:21 | ghode|afk | yeah, but i want speed :p |
00:13:29 | Coldtoast | 6600gt will be as fast |
00:13:33 | Coldtoast | probably. heh |
00:13:46 | thegeek | 6600gt is nice |
00:13:54 | Coldtoast | also, nVidia's OpenGL and unified driver architecture go a LONG way |
00:13:56 | ghode|afk | i should most probably just wait for quake 4 to come out and see whats around then >< |
00:14:02 | thegeek | I got mine for 700nok = 100 us$ |
00:14:09 | Coldtoast | wait for games that use Unreal 3 engine |
00:14:10 | thegeek | pricing errors rock |
00:14:33 | Coldtoast | if you buy an x800, you're going to regret it when the new PS3 generation are here |
00:14:56 | Coldtoast | but yes, they ARE fast |
00:15:06 | Coldtoast | btw, something to bear in mind ghode|afk |
00:15:16 | Coldtoast | Doom 3 and Half Life 2.... |
00:15:27 | thegeek | never buy top of the range |
00:15:27 | Coldtoast | will FORCE you to dump the overclocking |
00:15:38 | Coldtoast | I can tell you this from experience |
00:15:43 | ghode|afk | x800 isnt top of the range |
00:15:51 | thegeek | it's never worth it unless you have a lot of money(and nothing better to spend it on) |
00:16:00 | thegeek | it's certainly in the upper parts |
00:16:00 | ]RowaN[ | does wps support greyscale images now? |
00:16:11 | ghode|afk | true :p |
00:16:29 | Coldtoast | you know how the devs were saying these new games use parts of your card never before used? |
00:16:40 | Coldtoast | ghode|afk: honestly, don't buy it to overclock it |
00:16:42 | ghode|afk | i hate pc upgrading :( wish i couod see into the future |
00:16:50 | Coldtoast | they don't overclock well AT ALL |
00:17:01 | thegeek | I dont bother overclocking anymore |
00:17:07 | ghode|afk | same here >< |
00:17:26 | Coldtoast | you can definitely get more speed out of them but Doom 3 and HL2 both show texture corruption |
00:17:28 | ghode|afk | never had good enough cooling, my room is boiling hot 24/7 |
00:17:38 | Coldtoast | even just overclocking a little bit, you'll get corruption |
00:17:58 | Coldtoast | in HL2, I'd get little dark squares in teh sky and purple patches all over the environment |
00:18:14 | ghode|afk | could it have been your card though? |
00:18:17 | Coldtoast | in Doom3, walls woyld have inverted bumps in places and dark spots |
00:18:25 | Coldtoast | I very much doubt it |
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00:18:44 | Coldtoast | dump the overclcking, all was fixed |
00:19:13 | Coldtoast | know what gives you the biggest performance boost with an x800 Pro? |
00:19:19 | Coldtoast | certainly not overclocking |
00:19:28 | Coldtoast | it's unlocking the 4 disabled pipes |
00:19:48 | Coldtoast | I saw something like 20% performance increase |
00:20:17 | Coldtoast | but the prob there is not all x800 pros are guaranteed to have 4 WORKING pipes that were disabled |
00:20:46 | ghode|afk | yeah there is always that risk |
00:21:20 | Coldtoast | so anyway |
00:21:25 | Coldtoast | there's my 20cents worth |
00:21:31 | Coldtoast | my own experiences with an x800 |
00:22:19 | Coldtoast | they ARE bloody fast. they ARE bloody nice but they are NOT good for overclocking any more and they are NOT good if you want to play all these upcoming Pixelshader 3 based games |
00:22:55 | Coldtoast | if you want to see what PS3 offers, fidn the unlreal3 Engine presentation |
00:23:12 | Coldtoast | not Playstation3, Pixelshader 3 |
00:23:15 | ghode|afk | i've seen them :p |
00:23:19 | Coldtoast | ok |
00:23:29 | Coldtoast | you'll miss all that with an x800 |
00:23:45 | Coldtoast | all the realli nice PS3 fx like HDRI |
00:24:20 | Coldtoast | that Unreal3 Engine vid. that was running on SLI 6800Ultras |
00:24:58 | Coldtoast | I know a guy who had a play with an Unreal3 Engine demo on his 6800 Ultra and he only got, like, 7spf. heh |
00:25:03 | Coldtoast | 7fps |
00:25:56 | Coldtoast | the devs stated that to see the game in all it's glory, a 3.0GHz P4 would be lowend and you'll need 1GB of VRAM |
00:26:54 | ghode|afk | meh by the time those games come round, i;ll most likely be ready for another upgrade spree |
00:26:59 | Coldtoast | but, once again, the x800 is definitely a nice card. I wouldn;t buy one tho if i were buying now |
00:27:11 | Coldtoast | well, even Battlefield 2 |
00:27:22 | Coldtoast | will probably be nicer with a 6600gt |
00:27:32 | Coldtoast | and Far Cry has PS3 patches |
00:28:27 | Coldtoast | I loved my x800 when I had it tho. EXCEPT ATI's serious openGL kinda SUX |
00:28:40 | Coldtoast | the x800 shoudl be thought of as a DirectX card |
00:29:16 | Coldtoast | there are some horrible and OLD bugs that they've never bothered to fix |
00:29:22 | ghode|afk | will have to think this through a little longer ;p |
00:29:36 | Coldtoast | bugs I saw with my x800 that I saw over a year before with a 9x00 |
00:29:44 | Coldtoast | I think you should, yeah |
00:29:55 | Coldtoast | do some research on performance too |
00:30:01 | Coldtoast | anandtech, tomshardware, etc |
00:30:37 | Coldtoast | you won't regret the x800 if you buy it (not for the moment, anyway) |
00:31:15 | ghode|afk | well everything i've read/seen shows the x800 beats in the 6800/6600 oretty much easily. only looses out in doom3, and thats only to the 6800gt |
00:34:23 | Coldtoast | I think you've already made your mind up |
00:34:30 | Coldtoast | you going PCI-E? |
00:35:47 | ghode|afk | no |
00:35:53 | ghode|afk | thats a bit too much atm |
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00:37:54 | DarkkOne | Alright, there we go |
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00:42:29 | Cassandra | Does Rockbox's Wavpack decoder support reading .wvc files if available? |
00:43:00 | BBub | Cassandra: if they are valid wavpack-files you can add the file-handler yourself ;) |
00:43:15 | DarkkOne | Isn't that the hybrid mode though? |
00:43:31 | DarkkOne | Or am I thinking of some other extension? |
00:43:36 | Cassandra | It is hybrid mode. |
00:43:48 | Cassandra | So adding a handler wouldn't help in this case. |
00:44:02 | BBub | ok |
00:44:03 | DarkkOne | Yeah, because it's a matter of merging them for decompression somehow, right? |
00:44:10 | Cassandra | wvc files turn lossy wv files into lossless streams. |
00:44:15 | Cassandra | *nods* yes. |
00:44:27 | BBub | ah, i read about that |
00:44:39 | DarkkOne | Question: Why would you want it that way? |
00:44:39 | BBub | but afaik rockbox plays back lossy wavpack-files |
00:44:51 | DarkkOne | Rockbox plays Lossy and Lossless wavpack I think. |
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00:45:17 | Cassandra | I'm considering re-ripping my entire collection to wavpack, and storing most stuff as lossy but my favourites with lossless. |
00:45:36 | DarkkOne | Save them as full lossless then, instead of hybrid? |
00:45:55 | BBub | all a matter of diskspace ;( |
00:45:58 | Cassandra | Well, I'd like to be able to delete the lossless when I run out of disk space. |
00:46:04 | DarkkOne | Aaaah |
00:46:09 | DarkkOne | That makes sense |
00:46:20 | BBub | Cassandra: maybe reverting the lossy to lossless files cant be done in realtime? |
00:46:20 | DarkkOne | You could just reencode the lossless files to the lossy ones at the time |
00:46:24 | ]RowaN[ | does wps support greyscale images now, with this new update by jens? |
00:46:28 | Cassandra | (and basically keep all the .wvc files from my rips on a PC hard disk.) |
00:46:39 | DarkkOne | Aaah |
00:46:41 | DarkkOne | Gotcha |
00:47:12 | DarkkOne | Well, I don't know if it's supported yet, but I haven't seen any mention of it ever, so I doubt it. |
00:49:02 | Cassandra | I'm beginning to suspect that none of the realtime wavpack decoders actually support this. |
00:50:53 | DarkkOne | Actually, it may not be meant to be. |
00:51:15 | DarkkOne | Like, reading the wavpack page, it describes the additional file as being there for "full lossless restoration" |
00:51:22 | BBub | yup |
00:51:26 | BBub | i guess its not realtime |
00:51:38 | DarkkOne | No mention of playback at all |
00:52:42 | Cassandra | Hmm, the DirectShow 4 filters automatically read .wvc if present. |
00:53:02 | DarkkOne | So apparently it can be done? |
00:53:03 | Cassandra | http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t33231.html |
00:53:37 | Cassandra | I imagine the buffering code for it would be incredibly hairy. |
00:54:00 | BBub | cant it be decoded into the pcm-buffer like its done now? |
00:54:23 | Cassandra | Well yes, but you'd be having to read from two files (.wv and .wvc) at once. |
00:54:29 | BBub | true |
00:54:47 | DarkkOne | And we don't know how complex the operation to combine the data is. |
00:55:47 | Cassandra | *nods* |
00:55:57 | Cassandra | I wish I understood the buffering code. |
00:56:54 | DarkkOne | Aye |
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01:02:22 | DarkkOne | I wish I understoond the code in general. Heh |
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01:54:28 | Rori | hey guyz. any progress on remote lcd, radio or dsp's yet? :) |
01:55:24 | Rori | not bothered too mych about recording yet |
01:55:29 | Rori | much |
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01:58:28 | HCl | remote lcd works fine o.o. |
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01:59:24 | lostlogic | Hmm anyone know if iAudio x5 or iRiver H3x0 support is on the block sooner? |
01:59:46 | HCl | i got the impression x5 was going faster |
01:59:54 | HCl | h3x0 won't be done till h1x0 is finished, is my guess. |
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02:00:14 | lostlogic | :-( |
02:00:17 | lostlogic | nighto |
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02:07:40 | HCl | no. |
02:07:42 | HCl | but it works. |
02:08:05 | Rori | typical 'literal' answer to 'remote lcd' heh |
02:08:25 | Rori | You of course knew what I meant ;) |
02:14:27 | Rori | Looks like the 'Hold' bug is still not fixed |
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08:44:41 | oxygen77 | hello |
08:45:21 | oxygen77 | maybe I've not search well on rockbox website, is it possible to play WAV or PCM files with rockbox ? |
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10:40:10 | oxygen77 | any dev here ? |
10:50:27 | amiconn | yup |
10:51:37 | oxygen77 | cool :) |
10:52:08 | oxygen77 | looking in rockbox.org it looks like you have not consider wav playback because of MAS limitation |
10:52:22 | oxygen77 | is that correct ? |
10:52:31 | amiconn | Archos doesn't play wav because the MAS can't do that, yes |
10:52:40 | amiconn | However, the iriver plays wav |
10:53:03 | amiconn | Hopefully we'll have wav playback on the archos too in the not too far future |
10:53:12 | oxygen77 | k, what I don't remember is if you can play wav using archos FW ? |
10:53:19 | amiconn | nope |
10:53:37 | oxygen77 | hum, ok |
10:54:08 | oxygen77 | how do you plane to have wav playback on the archos then ? dev is in progress or just planed ? |
10:54:13 | amiconn | We'll most likely get the wav 'codec' from Micronas for inclusion in rockbox; then it will possible to play (and record!) wav |
10:54:50 | amiconn | This is some firmware for the MAS chip that allows it to play and record wav instead of mp3 |
10:55:02 | oxygen77 | is it the same MAS on recorder and av3xx ? |
10:55:16 | amiconn | I don't know anything about the av units |
10:55:36 | oxygen77 | k, so what is the MAS on the recorder ? |
10:55:47 | amiconn | MAS3587F |
10:56:07 | amiconn | This is the chip used in the recorder, fm recorder, recorder v2 and ondio fm |
10:56:12 | oxygen77 | cool, I think it is the same as the AV |
10:56:23 | amiconn | All these will allow wav playback with that codec |
10:56:46 | amiconn | It will most likely run on the MAS3539F as well, meaning that the ondio sp will also be able to play wav |
10:56:51 | oxygen77 | yup U know that |
10:57:07 | oxygen77 | U==I :) |
10:57:26 | oxygen77 | I'm currently working on wav playback for the AV |
10:57:50 | amiconn | (But not record due to the lack of physical inputs. The MAS provides these inputs, so it would even be possible to record on the Ondio SP with a little hardware mod) |
10:58:11 | oxygen77 | k |
10:58:21 | amiconn | Afaiu the wav codec was developed by Micronas on request from Archos |
10:58:30 | oxygen77 | yup I know |
10:58:43 | oxygen77 | I had some contact with archos and micronas |
10:59:25 | oxygen77 | well, what I can do on the av is upload the codec and configure it in MAS and then launch it |
10:59:51 | amiconn | Handling wav will probably be very tight with our CPU, but from my calculations it should be possible (both playback and recording) |
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11:00:08 | oxygen77 | I can then send data to it on the PIO port and I hear some "noise" |
11:00:43 | oxygen77 | I have almost heard the music but there was a lot of noise covering it |
11:01:17 | amiconn | The wav codec is very configurable, and you have to do that and of course use the correct format |
11:01:17 | oxygen77 | so now I'm RE archos FW to see how to format the data |
11:01:39 | amiconn | Unfortunately I'm not yet allowed to give away the documentation :-/ |
11:02:09 | oxygen77 | yup, but I know (using my emulation tool of the av) which data to send for a specific file |
11:02:19 | amiconn | I suppose you're participating in avlinux? |
11:02:39 | oxygen77 | yup |
11:02:56 | oxygen77 | linav, gravity, avlo .. I started all these projects |
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12:33:58 | Moos | Hello all ! |
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12:39:55 | DarkkOne | 'alo again. |
12:41:13 | Moos | Hi |
12:43:40 | DarkkOne | I guess not much is going on in here, 'eh? |
12:43:52 | t0mas | no... |
12:43:53 | t0mas | not really |
12:44:09 | Moos | Hi t0mas |
12:44:10 | t0mas | hi |
12:44:17 | Moos | how are you? |
12:44:20 | * | t0mas is being bored to death |
12:44:24 | DarkkOne | 'lo both of ye' |
12:44:27 | Moos | :) |
12:44:41 | t0mas | sitting here... looking at a dell tft... |
12:44:46 | t0mas | and MS Outlook |
12:44:56 | t0mas | and waiting |
12:45:04 | t0mas | (and using vnc :D) |
12:45:26 | t0mas | but I can't code anything now... because I might get a call... or email... and have to do something |
12:45:41 | t0mas | working sucks |
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12:46:52 | * | amiconn is busy rewriting the 'user timer' handling in rockbox, another precondition for the grayscale lib on iriver |
12:47:28 | t0mas | user timer? timer interrupt? |
12:47:42 | amiconn | yup |
12:47:50 | t0mas | what's wrong with it? |
12:48:16 | amiconn | It's not implemented for iriver, and the archos implementation isn't clean |
12:48:30 | amiconn | (it's implemented in plugin.c, which is application layer) |
12:49:05 | t0mas | and what do you want it todo? |
12:50:04 | amiconn | It should do what it does on archos, call a timer callback with a settable period |
12:50:13 | rooom_wrk | amiconn: Pls - in that case of that Joerg is long term unreachable - Don't you want to put on web your Uart boot SW files? |
12:50:43 | amiconn | On iriver, this requires a bit more thinking, since the coldfire only has 2 timers, one of which is already taken by the timer tick |
12:50:59 | amiconn | The other one needs to be shared between the backlight and plugins |
12:51:14 | amiconn | So I'm implementing a priority-based sharing mechanism |
12:52:07 | amiconn | Backlight needs the timer for fading, so if a plugin registers the timer with a higher priority, backlight won't fade but simply switch until the plugin unregisters the timer again |
12:52:17 | t0mas | ah ok |
12:52:23 | t0mas | and what do you want to do with it? |
12:52:28 | t0mas | callback after some amount of time? |
12:52:36 | t0mas | can't be done in the tick timer handler? |
12:52:45 | amiconn | [12:46:46] * amiconn is busy rewriting the 'user timer' handling in rockbox, another precondition for the grayscale lib on iriver |
12:53:40 | rooom_wrk | :'-/ |
12:53:43 | t0mas | do you need faster callback than the 100 hz the tick timer does? |
12:53:52 | amiconn | The grayscale lib needs a timer callback roughly in sync with the internal refresh rate of the LCD (~67 Hz on archos, ~70 Hz on iriver) |
12:54:21 | amiconn | Not faster than the tick, but not in sync with the tick |
12:54:58 | t0mas | hm... |
12:58:13 | t0mas | ah, nasa has changed from T - 3h HOLDING to COUNTING |
12:58:35 | t0mas | so they're sure Discovery is going up :) |
12:59:12 | DarkkOne | 's good |
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13:00:00 | t0mas | last HOLDING state is at T -9 minutes |
13:00:09 | t0mas | but they never cancel things there... |
13:00:09 | Moos | i hope don't 'll happen like Columbia |
13:00:27 | DarkkOne | We all hope that this one goes up nicely. |
13:00:32 | Moos | but i prefer esa to nasa :) |
13:01:16 | * | t0mas yawns |
13:01:29 | Moos | nasa don't repair the carburation problem |
13:01:32 | t0mas | watching nasa video streams and waiting for email is _really_ boring |
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14:39:04 | Cassandra | Is the Archos Player's green light supposed to come on when you connect the batteries? |
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14:52:33 | [-AIR-] | hey people. where can i get .rom files from which work on the iriver h1xx? |
14:54:35 | Cassandra | I assume you mean Gameboy ROMs. I have no idea. |
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14:55:18 | [-AIR-] | yer |
14:55:21 | [-AIR-] | kk |
14:55:27 | [-AIR-] | they must be gameboy roms the yer? |
14:55:43 | thegeek | yer? |
14:55:50 | thegeek | ofcourse there are gameboy roms out there |
14:55:55 | thegeek | you just wont find them here;) |
14:56:14 | thegeek | atleast not officially |
14:56:23 | [-AIR-] | ok. |
14:56:44 | thegeek | (try emule) |
14:56:51 | thegeek | (it has most of them) |
14:56:59 | [-AIR-] | tnx :) |
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15:03:13 | t0mas | hm... |
15:03:29 | t0mas | what's the simplest way to get a "protected" wma file on a cd? |
15:03:33 | t0mas | (normal audio cd) |
15:05:06 | bluebrother^ | "protected" meaning DRM? |
15:05:20 | [-AIR-] | google: jhymjn |
15:05:24 | [-AIR-] | google: jhymn |
15:05:26 | [-AIR-] | google: jhymn |
15:05:29 | [-AIR-] | that's the mumma |
15:05:36 | [-AIR-] | just open it and run it |
15:05:40 | [-AIR-] | on the wma file |
15:05:55 | [-AIR-] | u wanna remove the wrm? or write it to cd? |
15:06:03 | [-AIR-] | u wanna remove the drm? or write it to cd? |
15:08:03 | t0mas | bluebrother^: yes DRM |
15:08:16 | bluebrother^ | can you play it with mplayer? |
15:08:28 | bluebrother^ | (not Media Player) |
15:10:36 | t0mas | no I can't |
15:10:47 | t0mas | I have to play them with windows media player on the pc I'm on now |
15:10:52 | t0mas | (I'm at work) |
15:11:05 | bluebrother^ | you could try Total Recorder to make wav's |
15:11:19 | t0mas | hm... w/o losing quality? |
15:11:44 | t0mas | (and is there a linux solution?) |
15:11:58 | bluebrother^ | it captures the sound before it gets to the soundcard IIRC. Therefore yes, i would say |
15:12:22 | bluebrother^ | haven't had this problem before, so I don't know about a linux solution. |
15:13:33 | t0mas | well... I'll decode em here.. and upload en back home |
15:14:18 | ze | well reencoding always loses quality, even if there's no loss inbetween the decode and encode :/ |
15:14:47 | ze | t0mas: mplayer won't play it though huh? even with the windows codecs and whatall? |
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15:15:32 | t0mas | ze: nope |
15:15:46 | ze | just cause of the DRM? |
15:15:59 | t0mas | I think so |
15:16:02 | t0mas | other wma files play fine |
15:16:09 | ze | i see |
15:16:24 | crwl | nasty |
15:19:02 | t0mas | brb, time to really do something |
15:19:03 | t0mas | haha |
15:20:48 | [-AIR-] | hey i've found a bug. in my wps i have something displaying to two seconds, then it switches to something else for two seconds. when i start playing music. the first time after boot. the second of the two second's is really short. like a milisecond. but after that it's fine. |
15:26:40 | [-AIR-] | hey t0mas u there? |
15:27:13 | [-AIR-] | in the wps. can you say: if both next track name and next album name are available, display this, if not, display this? |
15:27:36 | [-AIR-] | using conditional tags, but for both |
15:27:38 | [-AIR-] | anyone? |
15:28:02 | [-AIR-] | gottit. don worry ppl |
15:28:06 | [-AIR-] | not that any of u were :) |
15:28:52 | bluebrother^ | I would have said try nesting ;-) |
15:29:09 | [-AIR-] | haha |
15:32:37 | [-AIR-] | errr actually... |
15:32:44 | [-AIR-] | can anyone here help me with my wps? |
15:32:53 | [-AIR-] | in the wps. can you say: if both next track name and next album name are available, display this, if not, display this?# |
15:35:43 | [-AIR-] | ill try and figure it out |
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15:36:11 | bluebrother^ | shooting from the hip: %?Id<%?It<%Id %It|>|%?Id<|something else>> |
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15:36:52 | bluebrother^ | hmm, substitute the last Id with It |
15:36:53 | Lear | yeah, like that, but you have to repeat the else part... |
15:37:20 | bluebrother^ | haven't tried it ;-) |
15:44:17 | [-AIR-] | kewl thanx ill try mine then give urs a bash after it inevitably fails :) |
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15:50:19 | [-AIR-] | hey mine seems to work.thanks n e way ppl. i did the same as you sugggested actually :).ill update it in the gallery |
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15:55:29 | amiconn | Cassandra: The green light on the archos player is a power led the same way as on the recorder |
15:55:47 | amiconn | So it will be on as long as the player is powered on. |
15:56:31 | amiconn | The hardware default of all archos devices is power on, so the green light will come on for a few seconds when inserting the batteries |
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15:57:11 | amiconn | s/all archos devices/non-software-poweroff archos devices/ i.e. player and recorder v1 |
15:57:59 | amiconn | The archos firmware in ROM will shut down when seeing that the ON button isn't pressed, |
15:58:26 | amiconn | unless the box is flashed with rockbox, then it will fully power up after inserting the batteries |
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16:07:56 | t0mas | Discovery is in HOLDING state again |
16:08:02 | t0mas | the T -20 |
16:08:41 | amiconn | Talking about hold - I've just documented the bootloader bug concerning hold and a very short press of PLAY after verifying it. |
16:09:15 | t0mas | I still can't update my bootloader |
16:09:19 | t0mas | iriver firmware doesn't boot |
16:09:49 | amiconn | Huh? |
16:10:46 | [-AIR-] | hey people. i've had an idea for additions to the WPS configuration. could there be a function which display the first "n" characters from the file name. so, for example a track is named: 01 - title.mp3 but has no id3 info, it could take the first two characters to display the track number? so if it's like %?in<%in|%fc<2>> |
16:10:48 | amiconn | I never had this problem, but from the reports it seems the most common cause for the iriver firmware not booting is a somewhat messed up file system |
16:11:33 | [-AIR-] | shouldn't be too tricky to implement? |
16:12:16 | amiconn | I don't use the iriver firmware often; I only do that for updating the bootloader, or for the occasional comparison with rockbox |
16:12:37 | | Part asdsd____ |
16:12:50 | [-AIR-] | same here. |
16:16:38 | [-AIR-] | how about my idea? |
16:16:40 | t0mas | T -9 minutes and Holding |
16:22:15 | t0mas | 8 minutes 30 seconds remaining in this HOLD |
16:22:20 | t0mas | untill now it's a GO |
16:26:59 | t0mas | Discovery is clear for launch |
16:34:07 | [-AIR-] | hey can you emulate rockbox on the pc. like for testing the wps w/o disconnecting etc. |
16:35:55 | Lear | sure, just run the simulator. for a few models, you can even listen to music (in a limited way). |
16:36:42 | Lear | but you might need to build it yourself... |
16:38:07 | [-AIR-] | rite. |
16:38:12 | [-AIR-] | errr wot is it just an exe? |
16:38:19 | [-AIR-] | where do i download it? |
16:38:23 | thegeek | discovery is going up _now_ |
16:38:26 | thegeek | 1 min 30 secs |
16:38:32 | thegeek | http://playlist.yahoo.com/makeplaylist.dll?sg_id=49573&id=1369081&segment=149773&s=&authid=&RegID=45488867016834776 |
16:38:33 | thegeek | live feed |
16:38:38 | HCl | heh. |
16:38:39 | thegeek | for those who cares |
16:38:44 | thegeek | 1 min |
16:38:46 | HCl | yea, thanks |
16:38:48 | HCl | i almost forgot |
16:38:50 | * | HCl switches to cnn |
16:39:16 | HCl | god |
16:39:21 | HCl | that thing burns fuel like hell |
16:39:22 | HCl | heh |
16:39:36 | thegeek | oh |
16:39:37 | thegeek | it's gone |
16:39:42 | thegeek | the stream is lagged |
16:39:48 | thegeek | hehe |
16:39:49 | HCl | got perfect view here on cnn, heh |
16:39:52 | thegeek | stream + tvcard |
16:39:52 | [-AIR-] | wiked! |
16:40:03 | HCl | at least this one isn't exploding yet |
16:40:20 | thegeek | well |
16:40:22 | [-AIR-] | yer! |
16:40:27 | thegeek | the last one went further than this |
16:40:38 | thegeek | it was almost out of ground-camera range I think? |
16:40:46 | HCl | dunno. |
16:40:52 | thegeek | I remember seeing that clip |
16:40:56 | thegeek | ohwell |
16:41:39 | HCl | well its pretty much gone |
16:41:55 | thegeek | yep |
16:42:02 | [-AIR-] | gone |
16:42:03 | [-AIR-] | w00t |
16:42:06 | [-AIR-] | thanx for the link!# |
16:42:23 | thegeek | np;) |
16:42:28 | [-AIR-] | hehe |
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16:42:39 | [-AIR-] | about the emulator...where can i gettit? |
16:42:59 | [-AIR-] | and what is the code to show file type? |
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16:44:18 | [-AIR-] | hum |
16:44:28 | [-AIR-] | it's %fc but it ain't on the site. |
16:44:32 | [-AIR-] | the wps config page :s |
16:46:09 | Lear | simulator is available through the source package at the download page, but you better know how to compile things and have gcc at hand... |
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16:47:02 | Acksaw | Hey all |
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16:48:29 | [-AIR-] | hey acksaw |
16:48:43 | [-AIR-] | ok. ill leave the sim then :) |
16:49:22 | [-AIR-] | o. about the %pv in wps. shows current volume. it doesn't change if its in a subline. |
16:49:23 | CoCoLUS | another fuel tank floating around in space... |
16:49:27 | [-AIR-] | hehe |
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17:51:22 | * | t0mas is back home |
17:51:23 | t0mas | :) |
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17:57:37 | [-AIR-] | :) |
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18:00:54 | Aedaren | Did I get this working? This is the first time I've used IRC... |
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18:08:48 | t0mas | Aedaren: yes it's working |
18:08:57 | t0mas | but it's a bit silent here today :) |
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18:09:16 | Aedaren | Thank you. :) No Problem. I'm really excited to get involved in the rockbox project ( just got my player yesterday) |
18:09:38 | t0mas | ah, and you know C? |
18:09:43 | t0mas | or want to learn it? :) |
18:10:15 | Aedaren | yes, and yes :) As in, I've taken one class in C, am a good internet programmer ( got a few skills ) and I do want to learn |
18:11:04 | Aedaren | I will definitely need some help, so it's nice to know this irc channel exists |
18:11:41 | t0mas | yes, most dev's hang out here |
18:14:57 | [-AIR-] | hey. is there any help on rockbox.org on how to add bmp to wps ? |
18:16:49 | bluebrother^ | what's the problem with bmp? |
18:19:03 | t0mas | it's not difficult |
18:19:08 | t0mas | but the bmp in /.rockbox/ |
18:19:10 | amiconn | w00t! My shared timer functions are working :)) |
18:19:16 | [-AIR-] | w00t! |
18:19:21 | t0mas | and add an %x|0|filename.bmp|x|y| |
18:19:22 | [-AIR-] | wot does it do? |
18:19:22 | t0mas | tag |
18:19:34 | bluebrother^ | from the docs: |
18:19:37 | bluebrother^ | filename = filename (relative to /.rockbox/ and including .bmp) |
18:19:50 | bluebrother^ | I had to read this before I got it working ;-) |
18:20:16 | bluebrother^ | I prevoiusly assumed bmp's to be searched in the same path as the wps. |
18:20:20 | amiconn | [-AIR-]: It allows to share the only one free CPU timer between backlight fading and plugins; another prerequisite for the grayscale lib on iriver :) |
18:20:45 | [-AIR-] | awesome |
18:20:47 | [-AIR-] | nice work! |
18:20:58 | [-AIR-] | another q. |
18:21:11 | [-AIR-] | the playcount tag, is it working, mine doesnt seem to? |
18:21:13 | [-AIR-] | %rp |
18:21:41 | bluebrother^ | AFAIK you need a tag database for it to work. |
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18:21:47 | f55 | hey |
18:21:47 | bluebrother^ | haven't used it yet |
18:21:58 | [-AIR-] | ah. i c tnx |
18:22:18 | [-AIR-] | and the tag database int working yet rite? |
18:22:23 | bluebrother^ | so this is only from what I remember ;-) |
18:22:56 | f55 | is there any chance to run a (usb bootable) linux on one partition on an iriver, and have rockbox read the mp3s off another partition on the drive when not plugged in? |
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18:23:27 | bluebrother^ | f55: with the USB-Mode I guess, yes. |
18:24:17 | bluebrother^ | another option would be some fat-installed linux like Damn Small Linux. |
18:24:39 | bluebrother^ | but no guarantees ;-) |
18:24:41 | f55 | dsl is fat? |
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18:25:24 | bluebrother^ | dsl can run off a fat media. I once had this on my USB-Stick which was FAT. |
18:25:38 | bluebrother^ | like Knoppix, everything is contained in one big file. |
18:25:51 | f55 | but what happens to file permissions? fat doesnt support that? |
18:25:55 | koniu_ | hm, that would be... fat ^^ |
18:25:56 | f55 | aaah |
18:26:08 | f55 | cool |
18:26:19 | bluebrother^ | with the 64MiB for DSL ... I think I should try this. Nice idea ;-) |
18:26:53 | f55 | any idea if what happens if you have multiple partitions on a vanilla iriver? |
18:27:39 | bluebrother^ | rb will ignore all but the first primary (?) partition. |
18:28:10 | f55 | but if i wanna boot linux off the drive, doesnt linux have to be on the first partition? |
18:28:27 | bluebrother^ | no |
18:28:49 | bluebrother^ | it even doesn't need a primary partition. Nor to be on the first drive. |
18:29:22 | amiconn | Rockbox does use the first (primary) FAT32 partition it can find, and ignore all others |
18:29:33 | f55 | cool |
18:29:38 | amiconn | Rockbox doesn't handle logical drives yet |
18:29:50 | f55 | does rockbox also run on the h140? |
18:29:54 | bluebrother^ | amiconn: this means it's not necessary to be the first partition at all? |
18:29:55 | amiconn | (it completely ignores extended partitions) |
18:30:05 | amiconn | bluebrother^: Exactly |
18:30:11 | Aedaren | yes f55, got mine right here (playing zelda) |
18:30:12 | bluebrother^ | nice ;-) |
18:30:20 | amiconn | As long as there is a primary FAT32 partition, rockbox will be happy |
18:30:25 | f55 | cool |
18:30:31 | f55 | and its better than the iriver firmware? |
18:30:38 | amiconn | I don't know what the iriver firmware does tho |
18:30:57 | Aedaren | It' better in most things |
18:31:00 | bluebrother^ | f55: why not install an actual knoppix cd & save the $HOME data to the iriver. |
18:31:08 | bluebrother^ | I guess this should work. |
18:31:17 | Aedaren | It can't record yet, but it's surpassed it on almost everything else |
18:31:19 | f55 | i was thinking of doing that, but with ubuntu |
18:31:35 | bluebrother^ | it has _working_ support for ogg! |
18:31:38 | f55 | but it seems better if dsl keeps itself withing one file that i can store on fat |
18:31:47 | amiconn | One day I'll add logical drive handling, as that's something the iriver firmware handles |
18:32:05 | bluebrother^ | I recently started converting my CDs to ogg. Iriver's firmware always cut of a tiny bit at the end of the file while playing. |
18:32:07 | f55 | more of interest, what does it NOT do as well as iriver firmware? |
18:32:27 | bluebrother^ | this is no problem for tracks fading out, but for everything else this is _really_ annoying. |
18:32:29 | amiconn | We had a couple of reports saying 'Rockbox panics on mount, but iriver firmware works'. Turned out they had created a logical drive in an extended partition... |
18:32:38 | f55 | i actually think wma sounds pretty good (192kbit) |
18:32:50 | Aedaren | just recording f55 |
18:33:01 | f55 | but i use the recording |
18:33:05 | bluebrother^ | i guess nobody using rbx is interested in wma ;-) |
18:33:08 | f55 | :( |
18:33:12 | Aedaren | you can still boot into the original firmware when you need it |
18:33:14 | amiconn | One reason why rockbox does not yet support logical drives is that the archos firmware doesn't handle them either, so there was no need to implement that until the iriver port |
18:33:20 | bluebrother^ | at least I don't need wma. |
18:33:43 | f55 | wma just sounds "tighter" than mp3 somehow |
18:34:08 | Aedaren | use ogg |
18:34:09 | bluebrother^ | hmm. I don't like wma at all. There are enough better alternatives. |
18:34:10 | Aedaren | it rocks |
18:34:32 | * | bluebrother^ agrees about ogg :) |
18:34:53 | Cassandra | wma is a proprietory closed format. Rockbox is very unlikely to ever support it. |
18:35:31 | amiconn | Unprotected wma might be possible if someone bothers to integerise the existing open wma decoder implementation |
18:36:08 | amiconn | I don't care either, my collection is >99% mp3, and very few ogg |
18:38:21 | bluebrother^ | is the "recent cvs activity" on the webpage avaliable via rss? |
18:42:20 | Cassandra | Nope. |
18:53:18 | bluebrother^ | :( Would have been a nice feature. |
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19:06:57 | [-AIR-] | hey. |
19:07:44 | [-AIR-] | about the .bmp. |
19:07:49 | [-AIR-] | i've made an image |
19:08:15 | [-AIR-] | it must appear on the x axis and 25 pixels from the top of the screen...what is the wps info? |
19:11:08 | bluebrother^ | hmm ... x = 0; y = 25 i would say ;) |
19:11:19 | [-AIR-] | is the y from the bottom or top? |
19:11:39 | bluebrother^ | uuh ... I assumed top 'til now. |
19:11:48 | [-AIR-] | yer |
19:11:49 | [-AIR-] | humm |
19:12:29 | bluebrother^ | have only wps' with (0,0) flying around. |
19:12:49 | [-AIR-] | yer. |
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19:12:58 | [-AIR-] | so is that from the top or the bottom:s |
19:13:59 | [-AIR-] | hum |
19:15:11 | t0mas | top |
19:15:20 | t0mas | screen coordinates are always from top left |
19:15:34 | [-AIR-] | ok. |
19:15:36 | bluebrother^ | hmm. rockboxui crashes when I try to play something. |
19:15:49 | [-AIR-] | so 0|25 would be on the x axis and 25 down on the y? |
19:15:53 | bluebrother^ | is there any way to switch to wps without starting play mode? |
19:17:02 | [-AIR-] | what is the "n" in %xn ??? |
19:17:07 | t0mas | number |
19:17:10 | t0mas | 0 to 9 |
19:17:12 | [-AIR-] | number of what? |
19:17:14 | [-AIR-] | o i c |
19:17:18 | [-AIR-] | only allowed 0 images |
19:17:20 | [-AIR-] | i mean 9 |
19:17:55 | t0mas | yes |
19:18:05 | t0mas | it's for conditional images... |
19:18:13 | t0mas | but that's not done yet |
19:18:57 | [-AIR-] | rite. |
19:18:59 | [-AIR-] | dammit |
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19:19:20 | [-AIR-] | t0mas do u have an email address. i cant gettit to work can i send you it? and you look at it? |
19:19:30 | t0mas | yes you can |
19:19:35 | t0mas | firstname@lastname.nl |
19:19:35 | [-AIR-] | cheers |
19:19:39 | t0mas | Tomas Salfischberger |
19:19:47 | t0mas | (anti spam) |
19:19:49 | [-AIR-] | kk |
19:20:26 | [-AIR-] | sent. thanx |
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19:20:44 | [-AIR-] | t0masz |
19:20:45 | [-AIR-] | t0mas |
19:20:49 | t0mas | yes? |
19:20:57 | [-AIR-] | its sent |
19:21:02 | t0mas | ok |
19:21:05 | [-AIR-] | :0 |
19:21:09 | [-AIR-] | :) |
19:21:27 | t0mas | I hope it's a nice wps? :) |
19:21:32 | t0mas | then I can use it ;) |
19:26:04 | [-AIR-] | lol |
19:26:15 | [-AIR-] | t0mas howz it goin? |
19:26:28 | [-AIR-] | its here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery |
19:27:07 | t0mas | what's the problem with it? |
19:27:10 | t0mas | what doesn't work? |
19:27:32 | [-AIR-] | err the image doesn't show atall |
19:28:08 | [-AIR-] | what are the dimensions of the screen? |
19:28:10 | [-AIR-] | the iriver screen |
19:28:26 | bluebrother^ | 160x128 |
19:30:05 | [-AIR-] | and can the bmp be grey or just b+w ? |
19:30:27 | t0mas | just b&w |
19:30:35 | t0mas | and the image can't be to big |
19:30:51 | [-AIR-] | kk |
19:30:58 | [-AIR-] | there the problem |
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19:35:11 | [-AIR-] | DreamTactix291 :-o |
19:36:21 | DreamTactix291 | ? |
19:36:29 | [-AIR-] | ok it worx t0mas |
19:36:50 | t0mas | k |
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19:38:14 | [-AIR-] | kewl. |
19:38:24 | [-AIR-] | looks shit tho. my bad :'( |
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19:39:10 | rasher | Hey, anybody here who's swapped in a ipod-battery in their h1x0? |
19:39:45 | rasher | HCl? Cassandra? |
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19:45:43 | [-AIR-] | nope |
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20:02:45 | rasher | It works! |
20:02:52 | Cassandra | What works? |
20:03:35 | rasher | New battery in my ihp-120 |
20:03:47 | rasher | Now, where do I see the estimated runtime? |
20:03:56 | rasher | Nevermind that I haven't yet charged it.. |
20:04:57 | t0mas | what battery have you put in? |
20:05:08 | rasher | the ipod one |
20:05:16 | Asku | 2200 mAh? |
20:05:22 | rasher | I believe so, yes |
20:08:16 | t0mas | changed polarity? |
20:08:26 | rasher | Yeah |
20:08:43 | rasher | Confused me though, because the wires on the motherboard were coloured opposite |
20:09:05 | rasher | So I was beginning to wonder if I had gotten a pre-changed battery or something |
20:09:17 | rasher | But it works |
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20:11:15 | rasher | I'm happy as a clam. Whatever's so great about them. |
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21:05:18 | bluebrother^ | how can I print debug stuff on my device to some logfile? |
21:12:15 | HCl | hello. |
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21:19:20 | HCl | bluebrother^: use logf.. |
21:19:47 | bluebrother^ | where can I find the output of logf? |
21:20:10 | HCl | in the debug menu and on the remote |
21:20:14 | HCl | you have to activate it |
21:20:17 | HCl | in configure |
21:21:43 | bluebrother^ | ah! |
21:21:47 | bluebrother^ | thanks. |
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22:32:00 | Aedaren | So, how do I go about becoming a "registered" developer... or do we not do that? |
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22:34:20 | Aedaren | Do I have to prove myself first? Go on a quest? |
22:36:44 | hicks | Download source, improve, submit patches. :) |
22:36:58 | Aedaren | great... that's what I'm trying to do :) |
22:37:02 | Aedaren | I'm on the quest! |
22:37:44 | Aedaren | When you install a patch, is it supposed to output anything?? I tried the a/b patch, and it didn't say anything and only took like half a second. |
22:39:39 | bluebrother^ | normally the patch utility tells you what file it is patching. |
22:40:12 | Aedaren | am I not doing it from the right folder?? I checked out cvs source, copied the patch into the rockbox folder, then did patch < patchName.patch |
22:40:25 | bluebrother^ | patch assumes its input coming from stdin, so you need to pipe the file in with "<" −− I regularly forget this ;-) |
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22:40:40 | bluebrother^ | add "-p0" |
22:41:08 | Aedaren | right, I'll try that, thanks |
22:41:09 | bluebrother^ | so it would be "patch -p0 < something.patch" |
22:42:57 | Aedaren | still didn't say anything.... I'm in directory /usr/rockbox, and tried patch -p0 < ab-repeat-20050710.patch |
22:45:08 | bluebrother^ | hmm. where have you downloaded the cvs? |
22:45:28 | Aedaren | I was in /usr and followed the anonymous cvs directions on the site |
22:45:42 | bluebrother^ | ok. Strange place to do so. |
22:45:56 | Aedaren | sorry... Just using cygwin... where would be better? |
22:46:07 | Aedaren | It built a rockbox folder beneath /usr |
22:46:09 | bluebrother^ | ah, ok. |
22:46:17 | Aedaren | cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox |
22:46:18 | bluebrother^ | I thought you would use Linux. |
22:46:20 | Aedaren | oops |
22:46:45 | Aedaren | Yeah, I would, but I work in flash all the time, and as far as I know.. still no linux version, so i'm stuck with windows. |
22:46:53 | bluebrother^ | under linux, /usr is normally no place to work −− somewhere below your $HOME |
22:47:12 | Aedaren | ok... will do next time... |
22:47:13 | hicks | Aedaren, try running patch with −−verbose to see if it gives any extra info. |
22:47:17 | Aedaren | thanks |
22:47:32 | Aedaren | nothing |
22:48:28 | bluebrother^ | has it actually altered some files? |
22:48:43 | Aedaren | I don't know, I'm not familiar enough with the source yet to check |
22:49:06 | Aedaren | I'm going to try a different patch |
22:49:43 | bluebrother^ | when opening the patch file you can recognize the files that will be affected. |
22:49:55 | Aedaren | yeah, I was looking at it.. .I'll do that this time around |
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22:50:20 | Aedaren | what's a good, easily recognizable patch that hasn't been included in the daily builds? |
22:50:56 | bluebrother^ | i added the aling-patch to my build. |
22:51:30 | bluebrother^ | changes in docs/WPS_CUSTOM_FORMAT |
22:51:38 | Aedaren | this one? "Enable multiple align tags in wps" |
22:51:50 | bluebrother^ | and apps/wps-display.c |
22:51:54 | bluebrother^ | yes. |
22:51:59 | Aedaren | thx |
22:52:03 | amiconn | wb Bagder :) |
22:52:13 | Bagder | thanks |
22:52:18 | bluebrother^ | I wanted to be able using left and right align the same time for my wps ;-) |
22:52:20 | Bagder | a billion mails to read |
22:53:34 | Aedaren | bb, they only have the diff file... Don't I need a patch file? (maybe it doesn't matter, sorry for being such a noob:)) |
22:53:48 | amiconn | Bagder: There's some wiki spam to clean up :( |
22:53:53 | bluebrother^ | diff generates patch files. |
22:54:00 | bluebrother^ | i.e. its mostly the same. |
22:54:24 | amiconn | Bagder: Check 25 Jul 2005 - 21:05 and 26 Jul 2005 - 19:11 |
22:56:44 | Bagder | cleaned |
22:58:41 | Aedaren | no luck |
22:58:50 | Aedaren | it doesn't look like any changes were made... |
22:58:58 | bluebrother^ | it didn't change anything? |
22:59:17 | bluebrother^ | prints "patch −−version" anything? |
22:59:27 | Aedaren | doesn't look like it... I opened them in dreamweaver, (hate the editor, but it tells you when a file has been changed) |
22:59:38 | Aedaren | you mean out to the console? |
22:59:43 | Aedaren | or in the file? |
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23:00:03 | bluebrother^ | to stdout |
23:00:08 | Aedaren | nothing |
23:00:19 | bluebrother^ | it should print something about its version. |
23:00:27 | Aedaren | i thought so too |
23:00:36 | bluebrother^ | sounds like your patch is broken. Or cygwin. |
23:00:45 | Aedaren | anyone else use cygwin? |
23:01:28 | bluebrother^ | I haven't tried using Cygwin for development. |
23:01:39 | memmem | What's the output of: which patch |
23:02:33 | Aedaren | I'm not getting any output on ab-repeat-20050510.patch or 20050712_align.diff, and I have the most recent cvs just checked out |
23:02:58 | memmem | I mean the output of the command "which patch", not the output of "patch". |
23:03:05 | Aedaren | ah |
23:03:42 | Aedaren | "/cygdrive/c/WINDOWS/patch" |
23:04:05 | memmem | So you've got a non-standard patch command ahead of the cygwin one in your PATH. |
23:04:10 | memmem | Try /usr/bin/patch. |
23:05:21 | Aedaren | looks like I don't have the cygwin version... (doesn't exist in /usr/bin/) I downloaded the windows version earlier today (the one on the website) and I guess it's trying to use that |
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23:10:33 | bluebrother^ | this doesn't sound good ... you need to avoid mixing cygwin stuff with native w32-ported versions |
23:10:42 | Aedaren | alright, I installed another version of patch, (downloaded it from cygwin) tried patch -p0 −−verbose < ab-repeat-20050710.patch (and some other guesses) and didn't work |
23:10:49 | Aedaren | guess so |
23:11:02 | bluebrother^ | I guess your w32-patch works when running from windows' cmd |
23:11:28 | bluebrother^ | how did you download it? Using the cygwin installer? |
23:11:33 | Aedaren | I didn't mean to use the w32 patch program, cygwin just referenced it by itself |
23:11:34 | Aedaren | yeah |
23:11:47 | bluebrother^ | hmm. Then it really should work |
23:12:06 | Aedaren | I downloaded patch, from the utils menu |
23:12:08 | Aedaren | I know |
23:12:08 | amiconn | Windows commandline tools do run on the cygwin (bash) command line, however, they don't handle unix-style paths (of course) |
23:12:40 | bluebrother^ | hmm. I had w32-ported tools behaving different. |
23:12:41 | Aedaren | the paths aren't absolute though |
23:12:53 | Aedaren | and windows understands both / and \ |
23:12:57 | bluebrother^ | don't ask we what it was back then ;-) |
23:13:18 | bluebrother^ | I'm really not sure if windows unterstands the / |
23:13:36 | Aedaren | It does in URLS (html and script references) |
23:13:38 | bluebrother^ | Explorer converts it. |
23:13:41 | Aedaren | ah |
23:13:52 | bluebrother^ | but this doesn't need to affect the system routines. |
23:14:12 | Aedaren | shouldn't patch say something either way??? I imean if it isn't working, it's normal to say so |
23:15:19 | bluebrother^ | I haven't used patch with windows, so I can't tell if it behaves different. |
23:15:31 | bluebrother^ | but on Linux it tells me which files are affected. |
23:16:09 | bluebrother^ | like "patching file apps/wps-display.c" |
23:16:24 | Aedaren | right |
23:16:40 | memmem | Is there any output for this command?: patch −−version |
23:17:00 | Aedaren | no |
23:17:19 | memmem | You've got a strange version of patch indeed. |
23:17:25 | Aedaren | I'm special :) |
23:18:12 | bluebrother^ | brb |
23:18:41 | Aedaren | I'm going to try to develop this remotely (on a linux comp).. |
23:18:49 | Aedaren | I'll get back in a few minutes with an exciting update |
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23:23:18 | muesli- | g'day mates |
23:24:14 | Aedaren | afternoon. :) |
23:24:44 | muesli- | afternoon? yr sitting in the states? |
23:26:22 | Aedaren | yep |
23:26:25 | Aedaren | 3:30 here |
23:26:26 | bluebrother^ | just booted up Windows. |
23:26:40 | Aedaren | you're going to try cygwin? |
23:26:56 | bluebrother^ | my (outdated) cygwin patch tells me it's version 2.5 when running patch −−version |
23:27:05 | Aedaren | very strange |
23:27:19 | Aedaren | Well, I've got 2.5.4 on this slow remote computer |
23:27:23 | Aedaren | I could just use that |
23:27:32 | Aedaren | I wonder why it isn't working though |
23:27:40 | Aedaren | maybe if I uninstalled cygwin |
23:27:44 | memmem | Perhaps Aedaren's patch.exe doesn't see its command line arguments. |
23:28:03 | Aedaren | that would explain it, but why would it do that? I've supposedly replaced it once |
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23:29:12 | Aedaren | it worked on the remote linux box |
23:29:21 | Aedaren | I'll just try wiping my cygwin clean and trying agin |
23:29:58 | Aedaren | Ah! I've figured it out |
23:31:12 | Aedaren | So, I installed that windows version the site recommended, then I installed cygwin... I then installed patch through cygwin, supposedly replacing patch (which it didn't). I just uninstalled the windows version of patch.. (which was probably in my windows path) and it works! |
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23:31:39 | Aedaren | you guys are all awesome.. Got to go |
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23:32:19 | bluebrother^ | seems ... echo $PATH in my Cygwin prints a bunch of paths. Including the Windows %PATH% |
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23:52:47 | leftright | skipping forward to the next track crashes rockbox after about 20 tracks have been skipped |
23:53:42 | leftright | using latest bulid, error is, IO3:addrErr, at 31022EFC |
23:54:09 | leftright | using H140 |
23:55:43 | leftright | amiconn: ^^ |
23:56:21 | BBub | i also got that error after skipping 4 tracks quickly |
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