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| 00:28:04 | leftright | jul 24th's build also crashes rockbox when skipping forward >20 tracks |
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| 00:33:27 | austriancoder | hi all |
| 00:34:49 | Moos | Hello |
| 00:36:07 | Moos | how goes? |
| 00:36:23 | Moos | what's new with your X5? :) |
| 00:36:59 | austriancoder | i think i will try tonoght to wirte the lcd dirver for it |
| 00:37:18 | Moos | oooh :), good thing |
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| 00:39:07 | austriancoder | ahh.. full gray scale support for irver |
| 00:39:20 | leftright | hmm, jul 23 build also crashes when skipping more than 20 tracks |
| 00:39:46 | leftright | in file tree mode, no crossfade |
| 00:40:22 | Moos | ac: very good amiconn's works :), thanks to him |
| 00:41:15 | amiconn | austriancoder: Not yet, but it's getting closer |
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| 00:41:45 | leftright | can anyone esle dupilacte it or is it just me :) |
| 00:42:04 | leftright | dyslexic |
| 00:42:07 | amiconn | Only 6 of the 42 functions need to be adapted for iriver, and the timer framework is already in place now :) |
| 00:42:09 | Moos | Hi XavierGr |
| 00:42:19 | amiconn | I'm just working on it |
| 00:42:26 | HCl | hello.. |
| 00:42:32 | Moos | congrates amiconn :) |
| 00:42:42 | HCl | hehe |
| 00:42:48 | Moos | hi HCl |
| 00:42:51 | HCl | hi. |
| 00:42:57 | * | HCl actually used his player today |
| 00:43:06 | HCl | came across several things that could use improvement, heh. |
| 00:43:20 | Moos | :) |
| 00:43:21 | HCl | grayscale in solitaire, solitaire remembering the previous game so that you can exit and come back.. |
| 00:43:30 | HCl | speed optimizations for rockboy ;p |
| 00:43:47 | HCl | meh, i'm so busy at the moment :/ |
| 00:43:50 | HCl | barely got time for rockbox.. |
| 00:43:52 | Moos | your database improuvment... :D |
| 00:44:01 | HCl | well database works fairly well |
| 00:44:14 | HCl | i had a few odd hits in my searchengine today, as well as that it needs a better interface |
| 00:44:20 | HCl | but aside from that it works pretty well |
| 00:44:57 | Moos | good to hear :) |
| 00:46:01 | Moos | do you remenber what Linus said about the currently shutingdown ? |
| 00:46:31 | Moos | the shutingdown time is superior now cause it update db if i remenber |
| 00:46:42 | Moos | before to stop |
| 00:47:11 | XavierGr | oh hi all! |
| 00:47:29 | Moos | HCl:? :) |
| 00:47:33 | Moos | hi |
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| 00:50:57 | Aedaren | Excuse my extra newbieness, but if patch a hunk patched successfully with "fuzz 2" does that mean it nees correcting? |
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| 00:51:57 | Aedaren | thanks for your help earlier with that patching problem bluebrother, I put something about it on the wiki, and suggested they just use cygwin |
| 00:52:16 | koniu_ | is there some place where I could watch for any progress with preparations for H3xx version (hopefully taking place ;) without asking annoying question #here or reading through irclogs every evening? |
| 00:52:33 | Aedaren | the forums |
| 00:52:52 | koniu_ | misticriver u mean? |
| 00:53:15 | Aedaren | no, www.rockbox.org -> forums -> iriver h3xx |
| 00:53:19 | Bagder | you won't miss it when info pops up |
| 00:53:20 | koniu_ | oh |
| 00:53:20 | Aedaren | there's link on the left |
| 00:53:20 | koniu_ | :) |
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| 00:53:46 | leftright | another bug, using latest build, it doesnt play selected track it skip to the next track in file tree mode |
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| 00:54:40 | leftright | ie, go to album, browse a track, select it, it then pays the next one |
| 00:55:11 | koniu_ | that was dumb (: btw, i'd say that if the patch applied with some minor fuzz should be fine unless those two lines added before/after the fuzzy place break it (which could easily be the case with asm i believe) |
| 00:55:17 | xMist | hey! |
| 00:55:32 | koniu_ | (i mean my question was dumb, thanks for the pointer!) |
| 00:55:45 | xMist | no, i mean hi! |
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| 00:56:13 | Aedaren | no, they're just c and header files.. |
| 00:57:21 | xMist | has anyone considered giving rockbox a facelift? |
| 00:57:39 | xMist | it's functional and can do tons of things, but I think making it a bit nicer to look at would make a lot of people happy |
| 00:58:48 | Aedaren | I like it |
| 00:58:58 | Aedaren | I mean, I can see everything, and it all makes sense |
| 00:59:55 | Aedaren | Hey, I got some warnings when creating the make file with "configure" It says the compiler I must use (m68k-elf-gcc) is not in my path. Did I not set up cygwin correctly? |
| 00:59:58 | xMist | yeah |
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| 01:00:09 | xMist | but it would be nice if we could make things just a bit nicer |
| 01:00:15 | Aedaren | yeah, I bet you could |
| 01:00:16 | koniu_ | grr, lack of h3xx version sux though (i'm wondering how many times a day somebody turns up in here to say that or ask or beg or whatever ;) |
| 01:00:17 | Bagder | Aedaren: the cross-compiler doesn't come with it |
| 01:00:36 | xMist | i could do all the graphic designing if someone could actually put it into rockbox |
| 01:00:40 | Aedaren | Sorry once again, but what is a cross-compiler? (differences from a normal compiler would be nice :) |
| 01:00:58 | Aedaren | what would you change xMist? |
| 01:01:03 | Bagder | Aedaren: it builds code for another host/CPU that the one you run the compiler on |
| 01:02:11 | Aedaren | oh, makes sense. I'll read the "Building a Cross Compiler" section then |
| 01:03:59 | XavierGr | good night. See you tomorrow... |
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| 01:05:02 | leftright | argg, it keeps on crashing when skipping tracks |
| 01:08:34 | solex | Hi. |
| 01:08:38 | xMist | i would change the now playing screen |
| 01:08:43 | xMist | nothing else |
| 01:08:49 | xMist | just to make it easier to look at |
| 01:08:53 | solex | Concerning the design of the interface: |
| 01:08:55 | Aedaren | have you tried changing it yet? |
| 01:09:02 | Aedaren | you know it's customizable, right? |
| 01:09:29 | solex | I'd really like to be able to use different font sizes at once. |
| 01:09:37 | Bagder | I could consider including a few bundled WPS configs |
| 01:10:06 | xMist | yeah same as solex |
| 01:10:15 | xMist | not very customizable |
| 01:10:19 | xMist | at all |
| 01:10:33 | Bagder | not very? |
| 01:10:39 | solex | xMist: NACK |
| 01:10:41 | Bagder | sure it is |
| 01:10:50 | xMist | am i missing something? |
| 01:11:09 | solex | xMist: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
| 01:11:11 | xMist | okay, change the universal font, and take away or add the top info bar |
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| 01:11:52 | xMist | see, i knew i was missing something. :) |
| 01:11:59 | Bagder | hehe |
| 01:12:05 | * | Bagder runs off to bed |
| 01:12:06 | xMist | xMist= NACK no more |
| 01:12:34 | solex | BTW: kudos to all the developers out there! |
| 01:12:48 | solex | I am using rockbox for a week now and it really... |
| 01:12:52 | solex | ...rocks |
| 01:13:23 | leftright | jul 22nd's build doesnt crash when skipping forward tracks >20 |
| 01:13:24 | solex | It crashed on me several times but it is still much more usable than that Iriver crap. |
| 01:15:33 | solex | Should I report those crashes here? |
| 01:22:51 | xMist | does anyone use a program to sync their music to their comps and back? |
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| 01:29:59 | solex | xMist: you can try unison |
| 01:31:19 | Stryke` | syncback |
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| 01:42:15 | Aedaren | I'm trying to build a cross compiler in cygwin. I have gcc version 3.4.4 so I need to apply the patch as explained on the wiki about cross compilers. Where do I install the patch? |
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| 02:29:35 | * | HCl checks whether anyone made him a nice wps yet |
| 02:29:58 | Stryke` | isn't everyone's idea of a nice wps different? |
| 02:30:24 | HCl | yes. i'm waiting for a user to make one that suits me. |
| 02:30:34 | HCl | i always leave the things like websites to end users to make them for me. |
| 02:30:58 | Stryke` | what do you want from one? simplicity? tons of info? somewhere in between? |
| 02:30:59 | HCl | i'm still waiting for someone to make one with playcount and rating |
| 02:31:05 | HCl | tons of info |
| 02:31:24 | Stryke` | i think thats gonna have to wait till the DB is all working perfect |
| 02:31:28 | HCl | heh. |
| 02:31:33 | HCl | i guess thats my responsibility. |
| 02:31:36 | HCl | i tested it today |
| 02:31:38 | HCl | seemed to work fine |
| 02:31:40 | Stryke` | i saw a rather nice wps on misticriver |
| 02:31:41 | HCl | but i'll test more. |
| 02:31:43 | Stryke` | good news |
| 02:32:09 | Stryke` | http://www.misticriver.net/photos/albums/userpics/12589/NPsd500RBSS.jpg |
| 02:32:30 | Stryke` | code not released but easy enough to replicate |
| 02:32:43 | HCl | looks nice, just want playcount and rating, heh. |
| 02:32:47 | HCl | but i'll get on it, i guess |
| 02:32:49 | HCl | its already working |
| 02:32:59 | HCl | it just needs some code to add files that aren't in the tag database. |
| 02:33:14 | Stryke` | yeah, just edit someone's wps and add count and rating |
| 02:33:30 | HCl | yea |
| 02:33:32 | HCl | thats what i have now. |
| 02:33:38 | HCl | but its glitched |
| 02:33:43 | Stryke` | how so? |
| 02:34:10 | HCl | it messes up when there's no title tag |
| 02:34:22 | Stryke` | should be easy enough to fix |
| 02:34:28 | HCl | yea. but. heh. |
| 02:34:30 | Stryke` | show filename when there's no title |
| 02:34:32 | HCl | i just hate stuff like html |
| 02:34:46 | HCl | ah well. |
| 02:34:48 | Stryke` | %?it<%it|%fn> |
| 02:34:52 | HCl | i also need to update my bootloader.. |
| 02:35:22 | Stryke` | i just recently went from 3 to 5 |
| 02:35:30 | Stryke` | i cross my fingers everytime |
| 02:35:32 | Stryke` | ;-) |
| 02:35:35 | HCl | :p |
| 02:35:37 | HCl | i'm still on version 2 |
| 02:35:41 | HCl | but it says rockboot version 1 |
| 02:35:42 | HCl | o.o |
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| 02:37:07 | Stryke` | night |
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| 04:43:39 | Coldtoast | hey. just thought of something. It'd be kinda nice to have a parametere for Play State for .wps |
| 04:44:03 | Coldtoast | Playing, Paused, Stopped |
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| 06:35:18 | Aedaren | Could anyone help with an error (my first time compiling the source)? |
| 06:36:09 | Aedaren | it was going good until it hit (dumb) CC src/it/itread.c it says in it_load_sigdata, error:isn does not satisfy its constraints: (info) |
| 06:42:54 | Aedaren | I downloaded a fresh cvs copy, and I'm still getting the error is itread.c |
| 06:43:03 | Aedaren | sorry, "in" itread.c |
| 06:44:23 | Aedaren | if anyone knows, please write to seanhess@gmail.com... I've got to go to sleep. Thanks! |
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| 10:01:08 | webguest16 | Slasheri: you around ? |
| 10:03:50 | webguest16 | Slasheri: playback bug, RBox crashes when skipping forward through 20 or more tracks |
| 10:04:11 | webguest16 | this is with file tree mode, mp3 files, crossfade off |
| 10:05:23 | webguest16 | this only happens from build 23rd jul onwards, the build of jull 22nd doesn't have this bug |
| 10:12:16 | rooom_wrk | Is anybody here who downloaded the software for UART Boot Mod (Archos) by Jörg Hohensohn? |
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| 11:41:40 | Lear | Hm... Should firmware/common only contain "standard" C functions? I need to put a small utility function somewhere... |
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| 11:54:58 | XavierGr | hi all |
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| 12:01:35 | austriancoder | good morning |
| 12:02:13 | XavierGr | hi austriancoder |
| 12:02:49 | XavierGr | did you write the lcd driver for the iaudio? |
| 12:03:58 | austriancoder | the basics are done.. yes |
| 12:04:25 | XavierGr | *sweet* for those iaudio users. Are they supporting your cause? |
| 12:04:59 | austriancoder | some of them yes.. the other no |
| 12:05:11 | austriancoder | ata driver should also work... |
| 12:05:57 | XavierGr | what about the FM. Is it the same with the iriver? |
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| 12:06:08 | * | austriancoder looks at the moment at the codec stuff... video support would be very nice |
| 12:06:09 | XavierGr | Hi tvelocity! |
| 12:06:38 | tvelocity | hiZ! |
| 12:06:44 | tvelocity | wazzup? |
| 12:06:44 | XavierGr | austriancoder: for the iaudio? Me is jealous.. |
| 12:06:54 | XavierGr | WAZZUP? |
| 12:07:11 | tvelocity | what's up? |
| 12:07:40 | tvelocity | also known as wazzaaaaa |
| 12:07:46 | austriancoder | XavierGr: H3xx and iAudio X5 have both colord lcd.. so it would be cool to support some video formats too.. iaudio can play some avi's with a correct resolution |
| 12:09:07 | XavierGr | tvelocity: I just replied the WAZZUP you said. I know what it means I just said it like the commercials... |
| 12:09:25 | tvelocity | oh |
| 12:09:29 | XavierGr | :) |
| 12:09:41 | * | tvelocity hides under a stone for a while |
| 12:10:33 | XavierGr | tvelocity: http://www.misticriver.net/boards/showthread.php?t=25650 though I doubt that you will be interested... |
| 12:12:28 | tvelocity | c00l |
| 12:16:04 | XavierGr | austriancoder: Does the iaudio has an FM radio like the H100? And if it does is it the same (or similar)? |
| 12:18:34 | austriancoder | is seems to be quite similar |
| 12:21:44 | Lear | xaviergr: patch available somewhere? |
| 12:22:35 | austriancoder | Lear: are you the guy who knows the codec api very well? |
| 12:23:13 | Lear | depends on what you mean by "very well". :) I didn't write it, if that's what you mean... |
| 12:23:23 | XavierGr | Lear: Let me make the latest changes and I will post a patch. |
| 12:24:06 | Lear | xaviergr: no rush, mainly wondering if it was the "copy file" approach or not... :) |
| 12:24:37 | austriancoder | Lear: i want to extend the current codec api to support video playback |
| 12:24:42 | XavierGr | amiconn linus and you lear were right. It is impossible to make the remote work from the same .c file correctly |
| 12:25:31 | XavierGr | currently I couldn't make it different. So I use the remote from the same .c file as a quick hack. Though all the settings I made for the remote are okay. |
| 12:26:00 | XavierGr | I hope that t0mas will help me implement this right (or anyone else) |
| 12:26:09 | Lear | xaviergr: well, some restructuring would be needed... |
| 12:26:37 | Lear | austriancoder: perhaps should look at the existing video player... :) |
| 12:27:07 | amiconn | austriancoder: I would rather concentrate to get code up and running on the iaudio first |
| 12:27:44 | austriancoder | amiconn: i am working in many areas ;) |
| 12:28:11 | amiconn | Rockbox is not even fully ported to iriver yet; imho video codecs are really advanced stuff that can wait |
| 12:28:32 | XavierGr | many fronts eh? Watch it out you dont want to be stretched out or your line will be broken... |
| 12:29:40 | austriancoder | amiconn: sure... so on iriver we need.. to extend the codec api too.. to support encoding |
| 12:29:48 | amiconn | You targets are DAPs after all, I consider video a non-essential addon |
| 12:29:56 | amiconn | s/You/Our/ |
| 12:30:10 | austriancoder | but its a nice to have |
| 12:30:39 | Lear | amiconn: was it you or Jörg that did the recorder video hack? |
| 12:30:40 | amiconn | The video playback on archos uses a special format, no compressing video codec |
| 12:30:50 | amiconn | It was Jörg |
| 12:31:42 | amiconn | ...and if video playback gets implemented, I surely wouldn't add it to the core. Video is an addon, so it is suitable to be implemented as plugin(s) |
| 12:32:33 | amiconn | The codecs would then be part of the plugin library; the core codec api wouldn't be involved |
| 12:32:36 | austriancoder | sure... |
| 12:33:11 | austriancoder | but you are right.. i will start with this if i get the iaudio working |
| 12:33:40 | * | amiconn has serious problems with the grayscale lib port :( |
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| 12:34:01 | amiconn | It seems gcc does odd things with asm() blocks... |
| 12:34:37 | amiconn | ...like not saving input parameters, although it is perfectly legal to change them in the block |
| 12:34:56 | Lear | and you mark those parameters with "&" (or whatever it is)? |
| 12:35:08 | amiconn | & is for outputs |
| 12:35:26 | Lear | no, = is for output, isn't it? |
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| 12:35:42 | amiconn | ...meaning that the output is set in the asm block before all inputs are processed |
| 12:36:09 | amiconn | (early clobber), so this output can't be placed in the same register as an input |
| 12:36:17 | XavierGr | amiconn: Am I right that all the plugins cant play after the grayscale major update? |
| 12:36:27 | amiconn | ?? |
| 12:36:58 | XavierGr | maybe I am wrong I will check again! |
| 12:37:00 | amiconn | If you mean no plugin will start (incompatible version), then you didn't update the full rockbox installation |
| 12:37:13 | XavierGr | yeah thats the case |
| 12:37:33 | amiconn | Do that, and the plugins will work again |
| 12:37:45 | XavierGr | well I had my remote patch installed and I thought I could use rolo to have 2 firmwares. |
| 12:37:48 | amiconn | I had to break backwards compatibility of the plugin api |
| 12:38:13 | XavierGr | I saved a folder with the new build and run Rolo |
| 12:38:33 | XavierGr | then it splashed incompatible version on every plug-in |
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| 12:39:56 | Lear | perhaps you should use + then, to indicate the argument is both read and written... |
| 12:40:40 | amiconn | In fact that's exactly what I do *not* want, but what gcc does... |
| 12:40:41 | Lear | xaviergr: that is a limitation of rolo: you can only expect it to work well if the plugin/codec api hasn't changed between the versions you rolo. |
| 12:41:43 | amiconn | I have some input parameters that are modified within the block (pointers, moving across memory areas). After the block, the value should be the same as before it. |
| 12:42:09 | amiconn | That's how it is documented in the gcc manual, and most of the time it works |
| 12:42:24 | amiconn | ...but not always |
| 12:43:24 | Lear | as I read the docs, if you don't specify any special constraint, it is assumed to be input only, which I interpret as "read only" in this case... |
| 12:43:44 | amiconn | input only != read only |
| 12:43:55 | amiconn | Otherwise the & modifier wouldn't make sense |
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| 12:49:04 | Lear | well, it wouldn't make any sense for & alone, but with = it would still be... But I don't know the asm keyword that well, I must admit. :) |
| 12:49:38 | amiconn | I'm thinking about a solution; maybe you're right after all. |
| 12:50:25 | amiconn | But that doesn't make sense to me; it means that using a "r" input is the same as a "+r" input/output.... |
| 12:51:23 | amiconn | ...the only difference being that "r" doesn't write back the result if the value isn't used after the block, while "+r" does that |
| 12:53:09 | amiconn | I could try to copy all inputs that are modified in the blocks into temp variables before |
| 12:53:25 | amiconn | (more flexible than copying within the block) |
| 12:54:42 | Lear | Hm.. The following excerpt from the manual is interesting: "There is no way for you to specify that an input operand is modified without also specifying it as an output operand." |
| 12:56:19 | amiconn | Hmm, it seems I overlooked this. :-/ Thanks for the hint... |
| 12:56:38 | amiconn | That means I have to rework quite a number of asm blocks... |
| 12:57:04 | amiconn | ..to get them clean, not only in the grayscale lib |
| 12:57:42 | amiconn | Well, I could use another trick - putting these blocks intop an inline functions |
| 12:57:51 | Lear | one reason I've avoided asm blocks... |
| 12:58:10 | amiconn | Functions are allowed to change their arguments without influencing the caller |
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| 13:00:32 | amiconn | Or, specifiy an output tied to the same argument number, and assign the output to a 'discard' variable |
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| 13:16:00 | Lear | btw, amiconn, do you know if alloca would work in Rockbox? |
| 13:22:01 | amiconn | I don't know |
| 13:22:39 | amiconn | Maybe it will wokr, but you have to be careful about the size anyway. |
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| 13:25:18 | Moos | Hi all |
| 13:27:22 | XavierGr | hi moos |
| 13:28:16 | XavierGr | Moos: Today I think I will have a bug free wps for the remote with progress bar support! |
| 13:28:44 | Moos | funny :) |
| 13:29:28 | Moos | have t0mas look at it a bit if he can help you? |
| 13:30:39 | XavierGr | well he said that he would try to make something worth commitment. But he is busy making the default iriver firmware to start in his iHP. He can run only Rockbox at the moment. :x |
| 13:30:59 | Moos | :( |
| 13:30:59 | XavierGr | Which is a nice thing but he can upgrade to newest bootloader |
| 13:31:09 | XavierGr | Which is a nice thing but he can't upgrade to newest bootloader |
| 13:31:18 | Moos | t0mas are you here? |
| 13:31:35 | Moos | yes i remenber his iriver fw problem in boot |
| 13:31:38 | Moos | :( |
| 13:32:37 | Moos | your build is good in waiting for the true remote way |
| 13:32:49 | Moos | *very good |
| 13:33:32 | XavierGr | thanks |
| 13:34:03 | Moos | maybe one day one of core dev will look at it seriously but apear it's not a priority for everyone :D |
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| 13:35:03 | Moos | pitty, a lot of remote users but there ar'nt dev remote users |
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| 13:37:44 | Moos | Lear: hi, are you here for a quick question? |
| 13:37:55 | Lear | sure |
| 13:38:26 | Moos | i just chek the patchtracker and i see one patch for apev2 |
| 13:38:37 | Moos | isn't for mp3 gain...? |
| 13:38:55 | Moos | i know you'r are implemented RG |
| 13:39:02 | Moos | for Vorbis |
| 13:39:13 | Lear | you mean ape for mp3? Just looked at it, and it includes replaygain support, but only from ape tags... |
| 13:39:45 | Lear | I'm just about to commit rg from id3v2 tags... :) |
| 13:39:46 | Moos | mp3 gain don't use this ape tag? |
| 13:39:59 | Moos | sweat :) |
| 13:40:08 | Lear | now we need to be specific. :) with mp3gain, do you mean the program mp3gain? |
| 13:40:52 | Moos | no, just the RG concept for MP3 files, scuse i'm not expert :) |
| 13:41:58 | Lear | well, the program mp3gain originall modified the mp3 file itself, and later versions can also write an ape tag with some information (I'm a bit unsure exactly what it stores there, info to undo the change at least). |
| 13:42:31 | Moos | a ok undertand |
| 13:42:48 | Moos | *understand |
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| 13:42:57 | Lear | that way, no specific player support was needed, but you couldn't easily switch between track and album gain, resolution was limited... |
| 13:43:42 | Lear | but what I plan to commit is based on the rg tags Foobar writes, when id3v2 writing is enabled. |
| 13:44:04 | Moos | good :) |
| 13:44:40 | Moos | currently rockbox don't support this ape tag, right? |
| 13:44:53 | Lear | because that's the only "standard" (that I know of anyway) that is actually written by a program. :) |
| 13:45:02 | Lear | not for mp3, no. |
| 13:45:07 | Moos | ok |
| 13:45:20 | webguest16 | ounds great :) |
| 13:45:28 | webguest16 | ounds=sounds |
| 13:48:37 | Moos | Lear: this currently RG concept for mp3 it's better, its reversible, i remenber i tested it in the past, and my files was completly modified, this tag concept it's very better, we hope you'll can add it easily :) |
| 13:49:56 | Moos | merci to Fred too, the french dev if he read the logs |
| 13:50:03 | Lear | quite easy, yes. hardest part was the changes to the id3v2 reader that turned out to be necessary. :) especially with the bug I found... |
| 13:50:27 | Moos | :D |
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| 14:09:41 | amiconn | w0000t! My H1x0 LCD is showing 49 greyscales! :)) |
| 14:10:40 | Moos | Congratulations :) |
| 14:11:05 | Moos | new plugin? |
| 14:12:54 | Moos | or with current plugin? |
| 14:13:37 | XavierGr | good job amiconn! |
| 14:14:04 | Moos | like every time :D |
| 14:14:15 | XavierGr | 50 colour LCD screen eh? (including white) |
| 14:14:43 | XavierGr | ^no colour |
| 14:15:57 | HCl | nice |
| 14:16:35 | amiconn | XavierGr: No, 49 shades, including black & white |
| 14:16:45 | Chamois | wooh |
| 14:16:47 | Chamois | congrats |
| 14:17:09 | amiconn | The bad thing is that it warbles... I have to see whether this can be solved |
| 14:17:19 | XavierGr | warbles? |
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| 14:20:47 | ]RowaN[ | i dunno anyones had a look but just a reminder for anyone working on it, theres a flac which kills rockbox (on my iriver h120) here: ftp://titania.student.utwente.nl/incoming/ |
| 14:20:50 | amiconn | This is what I feared - the internal 4-level greyscale interferes with the external pixel flipping |
| 14:21:23 | Lear | rowan: kills as in crashes? and it works in other players? |
| 14:22:09 | amiconn | This did not happen in my first tests, but in the real thing, with more shades, it does :( |
| 14:22:18 | ]RowaN[ | it works in winamp |
| 14:22:36 | HCl | oh. |
| 14:22:38 | HCl | let me move that one |
| 14:22:40 | HCl | to my normal ftp |
| 14:22:44 | HCl | can't download from my incoming dir |
| 14:22:48 | XavierGr | no way to overcome this? Is this a hardware issue? |
| 14:23:10 | ]RowaN[ | I03 AddrErr @ 31022f00 is what it says |
| 14:23:40 | amiconn | XavierGr: I could try to switch to b&w mode for the grayscale lib. However, this would have 2 disadvantages |
| 14:24:00 | amiconn | (1) The maximum number of shades is reduced to 33, like on the archos |
| 14:24:34 | Lear | bad indeed. and that's outside the memory map, afaict... |
| 14:24:35 | amiconn | (2) It is not possible to show 'normal' graphics outside the area covered by the grayscale overlay |
| 14:25:00 | amiconn | Lear: It isn't |
| 14:25:12 | amiconn | 31000000 is start of DRAM |
| 14:25:18 | HCl | cats rule |
| 14:25:30 | Lear | ah, my bad, I was thinking plugin start. :) |
| 14:25:31 | XavierGr | so which is best, to stick with 4 shades or disable them to have 33? |
| 14:25:36 | ]RowaN[ | hmm although it crashed my iriver twice in a row (after rebooting), it seems to be playing fine today |
| 14:26:45 | ]RowaN[ | am i the only one who didnt know that pressing Play from the error screen (where hd is stuck spinning) takes you back to the main filetree (hd stops spinning) |
| 14:27:26 | ]RowaN[ | saved my iriver from certain death in the middle of my commute on monday |
| 14:27:39 | * | amiconn has an idea... |
| 14:28:02 | amiconn | It should be possible to implement 33 shades without switching to b&w mode... |
| 14:28:11 | Lear | hm... can flac have other than 16-bit samples? |
| 14:28:36 | amiconn | ...I will do some calculation, perhaps it is even possible to have slightly more than 33 shades without warbling (just not 49) |
| 14:29:32 | amiconn | The warbling only happens when flicking between light & dark, not between dark & black or light & white |
| 14:31:55 | Lear | yes, flac supports other depths... |
| 14:32:27 | ze | flac supports up to 32bit |
| 14:32:34 | ze | and up to like 655Khz |
| 14:32:34 | ze | and up to 8 channels |
| 14:32:34 | ze | heh |
| 14:34:08 | webguest16 | lear: is RG enabled for mp3 now ? |
| 14:34:17 | Lear | the flac codec only supports 16 as it is now... |
| 14:34:48 | Lear | webguest16: yes, given the right tags. |
| 14:35:03 | crwl | is there a way to add those tags (and not touch the audio data) in linux? |
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| 14:35:40 | webguest16 | great, I wrote RG info to v2 tags with foobar. Thank you |
| 14:35:44 | Lear | I'd guess so, after all, they are normal TXXX id3v2 frames. But I don't know what program(s) can do that. |
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| 14:46:09 | MooMaunder | Guys...is there anyway to go about reporting bugs with Rockbox on the iRiver? |
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| 14:56:15 | HCl | yes. here. |
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| 14:59:18 | MooMaunder | Just a couple of things then, |
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| 15:00:35 | MooMaunder | 1. Holding up or down while listening to a song changes volume..if you hold up or down for more than about 5 seconds the player starts slowing down until its unusable, also volume does actually change once this has started happening |
| 15:00:59 | MooMaunder | also volume does actually = also volume doesn't change |
| 15:01:36 | MooMaunder | i.e. the player says 10% but the volume is actually at the volume before it started slowing down |
| 15:02:01 | MooMaunder | 2. Loudish click when the player shuts down |
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| 15:14:17 | webguest16 | seems that the latest patch has fixed the 'crash when skipping tracks" bug :) |
| 15:33:02 | amiconn | Lear_away: Didn't you write 'cut down the code size' in your commit message? |
| 15:35:01 | webguest16 | Replaygain is beautiful (mp3), thank you |
| 15:35:55 | XavierGr | ammicon: can you remind me please how can I make a whole patch of my work using cvs diff -u? |
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| 15:41:46 | XavierGr | cvs diff -u > remote_patch.diff. is that right? |
| 15:42:50 | ep0ch | stupid question time... Why is mpc.codec so much bigger than the other codecs? |
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| 15:45:04 | ep0ch | i.e. filesize |
| 15:46:57 | ]RowaN[ | i wonder how long it would take my 3ghz pc to add replaygain tags to 8 gigs worth of mp3s |
| 15:47:30 | ep0ch | i bet a fiver on 1 hr |
| 15:47:49 | ep0ch | any other takers? |
| 15:48:12 | ]RowaN[ | replaygain website talks about 2 modes (radio/audiophile: a fiver on 1 hr |
| 15:48:12 | ]RowaN[ | <ep0ch> any oth) |
| 15:48:14 | ]RowaN[ | oobs |
| 15:48:39 | XavierGr | well it adds only a tag or it searches the file how it can be changed (volume)? |
| 15:48:43 | ]RowaN[ | replaygain website talks about 2 modes (radio/audiophile: http://replaygain.hydrogenaudio.org/player_scale.html) .. which does rockbox do? |
| 15:49:21 | ep0ch | ]RowaN[: you adding the tags with foobar? |
| 15:49:45 | ]RowaN[ | no idea |
| 15:49:58 | ep0ch | ]RowaN[: if you are a tip, don't be playing any of the tracks when you do it |
| 15:49:59 | ]RowaN[ | u recommend foobar? |
| 15:50:13 | ]RowaN[ | good idea =] |
| 15:50:33 | ep0ch | yeah foobar adds the right tags for rockbox as far as i know |
| 15:53:28 | ]RowaN[ | can foobar add replaygain to flacs,oggs,mp2 as well? |
| 15:54:50 | ep0ch | definetly ogg, most probably flac, never tried with mp2 |
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| 15:56:56 | belgarath | hi, has anybody used the replay gain for mp3 files on rockbox? |
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| 15:58:41 | ep0ch | i can do in 2 mins if you want me to? |
| 15:59:38 | belgarath | i have installed foobar and it is adding the necessary info for the files (i just inserted all of my files and selected replaygain multiple albums) |
| 15:59:46 | belgarath | this will work? |
| 15:59:58 | ep0ch | yeay should do |
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| 16:00:10 | belgarath | is it worth doing for tracks as well? |
| 16:00:12 | ep0ch | tell rockbox to use album gain |
| 16:00:26 | belgarath | because scanning 3000 songs is taking a long trime |
| 16:00:30 | ep0ch | ?? foobar adds both track and album gain info |
| 16:00:36 | belgarath | really? |
| 16:00:44 | ep0ch | yes |
| 16:00:56 | belgarath | for me i had an option |
| 16:01:08 | belgarath | i selected all files - replaygain - multiple albums |
| 16:01:23 | belgarath | or maybe i did it wrong... |
| 16:01:30 | ep0ch | no that;s right |
| 16:01:53 | belgarath | so if i select per multiple album it will add per track as well? |
| 16:02:03 | ep0ch | that tells foobar that the songs in your playlist belong to differnt albums |
| 16:02:10 | belgarath | ok |
| 16:02:11 | belgarath | thanks |
| 16:02:13 | ep0ch | yes |
| 16:02:16 | ep0ch | np |
| 16:02:57 | ep0ch | at the end of the replaygain process it will show a list of all the files processed, and their values, you will see a trackgain and album gain listed against each file |
| 16:03:35 | ep0ch | but like i told ]RowaN[, dont be playing any of the files when foobar tries to add the tags |
| 16:03:44 | ]RowaN[ | i dont have any albums, im not american =] |
| 16:04:04 | ep0ch | eh? |
| 16:04:20 | ep0ch | what have you got? just random tracks? |
| 16:04:37 | ]RowaN[ | i guess you could call them random |
| 16:05:25 | belgarath | i love listening by album |
| 16:05:35 | ep0ch | if there was a group that did a good song, i would always buy their album and not the single |
| 16:05:36 | belgarath | and I'm not american |
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| 16:05:51 | Lear | amiconn: yes, I did... |
| 16:06:06 | ]RowaN[ | i never understood albums.. i mean.. what are the chances of someone liking say, 12 songs that a complete stranger has throw together on a disc |
| 16:06:16 | Lear | rowan: rockbox does both. |
| 16:06:32 | ]RowaN[ | cool.. its selectable in the options? |
| 16:06:38 | ep0ch | ]RowaN[: you mean compilation albums? |
| 16:06:39 | Lear | where else? :) |
| 16:06:52 | ]RowaN[ | epoc: even when its by the same artist |
| 16:07:15 | ]RowaN[ | lear: in my dreams? |
| 16:08:14 | amiconn | Lear: The binary actually got bigger on archos... |
| 16:08:55 | Lear | amiconn: yes, I did some changes to the id3v2 parser. that would add a few bytes... |
| 16:09:11 | belgarath | does anybody know how to do playlists based on song count/rating? |
| 16:09:47 | Lear | but the point was, had I not done the generalization part, the iriver size would have been larger. |
| 16:11:14 | ]RowaN[ | according to the replaygain website there are no players that support it.. what about rockbox and foobar heh |
| 16:11:42 | ep0ch | and xbmc |
| 16:12:03 | belgarath | arrgh 3000 files are taking ages to scan |
| 16:12:07 | ]RowaN[ | im betteroff replaygaining than mp3gaining my collection? |
| 16:12:11 | belgarath | better be worth it... |
| 16:12:25 | Lear | the replaygain site hasn't been updated in quite a while... |
| 16:12:36 | ep0ch | ]RowaN[: it's down to preference, i prefer replaygain |
| 16:12:47 | Lear | belgarath: why not just tryit on a few albums first. :) |
| 16:13:02 | belgarath | yeah i should have done that |
| 16:13:18 | belgarath | only 1700 to go now |
| 16:14:31 | ]RowaN[ | im still confused as to why digital sound (tv/mp3/radio/cd/tape) nearly always sounds harsh to my ears (when people sing words which make a C or S sound) |
| 16:15:26 | belgarath | that may be headphones? |
| 16:15:34 | amiconn | Lear: Btw, the problem with the grayscale lib was indeed the asm input operands. I solved this by converting all operands that are changed in the block into combined input-output operands, and copy the values to temporary variables tied to these operands |
| 16:15:36 | ]RowaN[ | headphones/speakers, no difference |
| 16:15:51 | belgarath | i used the mdr ex71s and those sounded horrible with c's t's s' |
| 16:16:01 | ]RowaN[ | i have ex71s i think |
| 16:16:01 | amiconn | The temporary variable contents is simply dropped after the block |
| 16:16:11 | ]RowaN[ | i prefered my old sonys that i stepped on, and are no discontinued |
| 16:16:20 | belgarath | good headphones but dodgy high frequencies |
| 16:16:22 | ]RowaN[ | perhaps all my life ive had crap equiptment.. how much should i have to spend for decent speakers/headfones |
| 16:16:32 | belgarath | dunno it depends |
| 16:16:44 | belgarath | i'm happy with my px100s and they were £26 |
| 16:17:01 | ]RowaN[ | is that what it is, "high frequency" with the C's/S's? |
| 16:17:15 | belgarath | i don't know but that was my guess |
| 16:17:38 | ]RowaN[ | i notice it most on tv.. digital tv, optical connection to my amp |
| 16:17:45 | ]RowaN[ | huuuuge speakers =] |
| 16:18:09 | belgarath | it may not be the speakers but the signal the amp is getting |
| 16:18:27 | belgarath | sometimes radio hurts the ears with c's and t's |
| 16:18:57 | ]RowaN[ | well like i say its a optical signal from mpeg2 digital tv |
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| 16:19:35 | Lear | amiconn: even the warbling? |
| 16:19:50 | amiconn | No, not the warbling. |
| 16:19:55 | amiconn | ...unfortunately :( |
| 16:20:13 | amiconn | I'm still undecided what to do about it |
| 16:21:06 | amiconn | I could resort to 33 shades even without switching to b&w mode, but that would waste half the RAM |
| 16:22:01 | amiconn | Selecting the shades from any combination of (black, dark, light, white) may not work as intended because these 4 shades aren't evenly spaced, and can't be |
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| 16:22:46 | amiconn | The LCD allows 7 shades internally, of which it can display 2, plus black & white |
| 16:23:46 | amiconn | That means, the brightnesses for almost even distribution are 0-2-4-7, 0-3-5-7, 0-2-5-7 or 0-3-4-7 |
| 16:32:52 | * | amiconn had an idea, perhaps it works... |
| 16:33:57 | belgarath | epoch: I accidentally unplugged the usb cable for 10 seconds - is there any way for foobar to scan just the tracks that have no replay gain info? |
| 16:36:29 | Lear | I think you can tell it to always rescan, even if they have tags, so it shouldn't take long to rescan. |
| 16:36:53 | belgarath | ok |
| 16:37:17 | belgarath | because instead of stopping to wait for me to replug it skipped around 800 songs |
| 16:38:30 | belgarath | ok there is an option to skip files that have the replay gain info... |
| 16:38:33 | belgarath | luckily |
| 16:38:51 | ]RowaN[ | replaygain uses ID3V2? i thought V2 was evil? |
| 16:40:15 | belgarath | hmm i selected it to scan them, but now it takes 10 seconds and stops |
| 16:41:23 | ]RowaN[ | or is that just old wives tale from the days before id3v2 player support was widespread? |
| 16:46:14 | amiconn | I think I'm going for the RAM waste, i.e. 33 shades with twice the RAM, but with the ability to mix greyscale overlay and normal graphics. |
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| 16:54:26 | MooMaunder | Has anyone seen the problem when running Rockbox on the iRiver, when you hold up or down when a track is playing, it starts to alter the volume then after about 2 seconds the player slows until its unusable ? |
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| 16:54:49 | xMist | hey guys |
| 16:54:58 | xMist | i can't seem to create a WPS file with Notepad |
| 16:55:36 | xMist | help? |
| 16:56:45 | ]RowaN[ | moo: ive had that b4 yeah |
| 16:57:00 | ]RowaN[ | whats holding you back xmist? |
| 16:57:22 | xMist | when i make a WPS file in notepad, and save it as mywps.wps, it saves it as mywps.wps.txt |
| 16:57:27 | xMist | so rockbox can't read it |
| 16:57:31 | ]RowaN[ | go into dos |
| 16:57:36 | ]RowaN[ | ren mywps.wps.txt mywps.wps |
| 16:57:41 | xMist | okay thanks |
| 16:57:48 | MooMaunder | You also get the load click when you power down rockbox ? |
| 16:57:53 | ]RowaN[ | then in future when u edit it with notepad it shouldnt add the .txt again |
| 16:57:54 | MooMaunder | load = loud |
| 16:58:01 | xMist | okay thanks |
| 16:58:13 | xMist | lemme try that... |
| 16:58:21 | ]RowaN[ | not loud at all, here |
| 16:59:03 | MooMaunder | Its not load as in ear hurting... but there is a fairly audible click noise |
| 16:59:16 | xMist | lol |
| 16:59:26 | ]RowaN[ | yes, like those that used to be audible when u pause/unpause/start track |
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| 17:00:36 | xMist | Rowan, it worked@ |
| 17:00:40 | xMist | @=! |
| 17:00:48 | xMist | i just used command prompt |
| 17:00:51 | xMist | thanks a bunch |
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| 17:02:30 | amiconn | yay, works like a charm :)) |
| 17:03:02 | xMist | ah my first wps is unsuccessful |
| 17:03:05 | MooMaunder | Is there anything to be done about the volume problem? |
| 17:03:25 | xMist | how do i reset the wps to the standard wps? |
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| 17:03:43 | solex | xMist: when saving text files with notepad, you can surround the "filename.wps" like this and notepad won't add .the txt extension. |
| 17:03:54 | xMist | okay thanks! |
| 17:04:03 | xMist | is there anything wrong with this wps? |
| 17:04:06 | xMist | %ac%s%in %it |
| 17:04:06 | xMist | %ac%s%ia |
| 17:04:06 | xMist | %ac%s%id |
| 17:04:06 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK xMist |
| 17:04:06 | xMist | %pb |
| 17:04:08 | xMist | %pc/%pt;%s%ig |
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| 17:11:35 | webguest79 | xMist: last line, what will you display (altering between pc/pt ang ig ?) |
| 17:11:46 | webguest79 | ang ig |
| 17:11:48 | webguest79 | and ig |
| 17:12:25 | xMist | current time in song/total time then alternating to genre |
| 17:13:15 | webguest79 | xMist: try %t3%s%pc/%pt;%t3%s%ig |
| 17:13:28 | xMist | okay thanks |
| 17:13:30 | webguest79 | %t.. means display for 3 seconds |
| 17:13:39 | xMist | another thing - my %ac tags aren't working |
| 17:13:45 | xMist | means center |
| 17:13:54 | webguest79 | then use %s%ac... |
| 17:14:05 | xMist | oh okay lol |
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| 17:17:14 | xMist | my %ac tags still aren't working :( |
| 17:17:33 | webguest79 | send your wps to remartinelli at dplanet dot ch, I'll check |
| 17:17:34 | xMist | do i have to end the line with %ac? |
| 17:17:39 | xMist | okay |
| 17:17:41 | xMist | hold onb |
| 17:19:40 | xMist | dot ch? |
| 17:19:54 | webguest79 | .ch |
| 17:20:02 | ]RowaN[ | %ac makes the line invisible if it contains text that wasnt pulled from the music file, in my experience |
| 17:20:45 | xMist | the lines aren't invisible, just aligned left when they should be aligned center |
| 17:21:07 | xMist | i sent you the email thanks |
| 17:21:17 | ]RowaN[ | if i do %achellowolrd the entire line is just blank |
| 17:21:28 | xMist | i finally got my JBR20 to play nice with MediaMonkey |
| 17:21:32 | xMist | it's great |
| 17:21:54 | xMist | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#Description_General_Info |
| 17:22:00 | xMist | says that %ac is align center |
| 17:24:22 | xMist | webguest79, you get the email? |
| 17:25:14 | webguest79 | xMist: yes, but I could not find any faults, what's when you try without %s%ac ? |
| 17:26:32 | xMist | hold on |
| 17:26:34 | xMist | lemme try |
| 17:26:43 | xMist | should i leave out the %s, %ac, or both? |
| 17:27:04 | webguest79 | at least %ac in a first step |
| 17:27:20 | xMist | okay |
| 17:28:04 | xMist | when i leave out %ac, it's just like last time |
| 17:28:13 | xMist | everything shows and works fine, but it's all aligned to the left |
| 17:28:23 | xMist | i'm trying to get certain lines to align center |
| 17:28:57 | webguest79 | xMist: you have an actual build ? |
| 17:29:20 | xMist | build of rockbox? |
| 17:29:41 | webguest79 | xMist: or try deleting all rockbox stuff from your player (except config and wps stuff) and reinstall the latest build |
| 17:29:51 | xMist | okay |
| 17:29:52 | webguest79 | rockbox build |
| 17:30:06 | xMist | all right hold on |
| 17:30:36 | xMist | can i just delete and reinstall without booting the archos os in between? |
| 17:30:41 | xMist | does it matter? |
| 17:32:15 | webguest79 | no, you can just delete reinstall and then delete |
| 17:32:36 | xMist | delete and reinstall, what's the last delete for |
| 17:32:52 | webguest79 | and then reboot ;-) |
| 17:32:55 | xMist | ah |
| 17:33:21 | xMist | boot changed, reboot now |
| 17:33:23 | xMist | yes |
| 17:33:26 | xMist | right? |
| 17:34:28 | webguest79 | yes |
| 17:34:31 | xMist | okay, progress |
| 17:34:34 | xMist | got it |
| 17:34:36 | xMist | hold on |
| 17:35:05 | rooomish | Help pls. Is anybody here who has downloaded the SW for Archos UART Boot mod made by Joerg (IDC Dragon)? |
| 17:36:14 | xMist | okay i got it |
| 17:36:18 | xMist | thanks webguest! |
| 17:36:26 | webguest79 | no problem |
| 17:36:27 | xMist | the latest build fixed something, i suppose? |
| 17:36:49 | webguest79 | I think the delete and reinstall has helped |
| 17:37:32 | xMist | oh okay |
| 17:37:36 | xMist | well cool thanks |
| 17:37:44 | xMist | what have i missed from 2.4 to the latest build |
| 17:37:45 | xMist | ? |
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| 17:39:45 | ]RowaN[ | LOADS? =p |
| 17:39:58 | xMist | lol |
| 17:40:02 | xMist | like what? |
| 17:40:29 | ]RowaN[ | a few hundred changes hehe |
| 17:40:48 | xMist | lol does that include how it scrolls before it reaches the top? |
| 17:40:55 | bluebrother^ | MooMaunder: i noticed the problem with the daily build from today |
| 17:41:08 | ]RowaN[ | xmist u have an archos? im on iriver here |
| 17:41:17 | xMist | yeah i've got an archos JBR |
| 17:41:21 | bluebrother^ | replaced rockbox.iriver with the bleeding edge build -> working now. |
| 17:42:30 | bluebrother^ | ok, noticed it again :( |
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| 17:45:51 | xMist | what's wrong? |
| 17:46:37 | bluebrother^ | replaced it with daily-050725 −− this one works. |
| 17:46:41 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 17:46:41 | * | rooomish is away: but will read the the log :-) |
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| 17:54:31 | * | Cassandra sets foobar to replaygaining her MP3s. |
| 17:55:33 | xMist | okay bye guys |
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| 17:59:25 | * | xMist deciding whether to leave or not |
| 17:59:27 | xMist | hmmm... |
| 17:59:33 | xMist | okay bye |
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| 18:10:37 | webguest62 | hi there. I'm having problems with my rockbox plugins. I've downloaded yesterdays daily build, and installed it, but it says "incompatible model" for each one |
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| 18:10:59 | webguest62 | I've tried removing the directory on the player and reinstalling, but no joy |
| 18:11:25 | webguest62 | could anyone help me with this problem? thanks |
| 18:11:47 | bluebrother^ | have you compiled the plugins yourself? |
| 18:12:17 | Cassandra | Pretty much the only way to get that is by using plugins from an older version of Rockbox. |
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| 18:12:59 | bluebrother^ | may it be a problem by the changes in the graphics library? |
| 18:14:16 | webguest62 | sounds like it could be, but wouldn't they have built with the daily build? |
| 18:14:21 | Cassandra | I'd expect others to have the same problem. |
| 18:14:44 | Cassandra | What did you do? Download the bleeding edge build? |
| 18:16:12 | webguest62 | nope, yesterdays daily build. |
| 18:16:53 | webguest62 | hold on. a reboot seems to have fixed it. |
| 18:17:06 | webguest62 | thanks for your help |
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| 18:17:49 | Cassandra | I have no problems running plugins with the current bleeding edge from the website. |
| 18:18:04 | Cassandra | Ah, yes. You do have to reboot after update. |
| 18:18:23 | amiconn | Yeps, quite logical |
| 18:18:40 | amiconn | I had to break backwards compatibility of the plugin api, |
| 18:18:52 | amiconn | so old plugins won't run with new rockbox and vice versa |
| 18:20:00 | Cassandra | ami: How close are we to being able to use greys in the WPS? |
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| 18:20:20 | xMist | sigma's got rio! |
| 18:20:27 | xMist | http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2005/07/27/sigmatel_rio_deal/ |
| 18:21:13 | amiconn | Cassandra: My current work has nothing to do with the core. I dunno whether someone is working on greyscale support in the wps |
| 18:21:40 | * | amiconn wants to view JPEG images... |
| 18:22:05 | amiconn | That's why I'm working on the grayscale lib like mad... |
| 18:22:54 | Cassandra | Ah, right. |
| 18:23:04 | amiconn | Greyscale in the wps might lead to several problems though, at least if it's used for more than bitmaps |
| 18:23:30 | amiconn | Various grey shades and scrolling text don't go well together atm |
| 18:24:02 | amiconn | I know how this can be solved, but that's not top prio for me atm |
| 18:24:14 | Cassandra | I can imagine not. Presumably the 4 colour greyscale mode on the H100 and higher colour ones are quite different in nature. |
| 18:24:42 | amiconn | This problem is general; it would also occur on colour devices |
| 18:25:29 | amiconn | The problem is that the scrolltext structure should store the active foreground and background shade/colour, and use that for subsequent updates, i.e. scroll steps |
| 18:25:46 | Cassandra | *nods* Fairly simple fix then. |
| 18:26:05 | amiconn | Currently it doesn't do that, so all scrolling texts will change shade/ colour if the global value is changed |
| 18:26:38 | godzirra | Is there a way to set it so that once rockbox gets to the end of a directory, it will move to the next directory and start playing? |
| 18:26:46 | Cassandra | Hmm. Think I'll add a third replaygain type. "Album, track on random". |
| 18:26:59 | Cassandra | godzirra: Yes, it's in the playback settings. |
| 18:27:08 | crwl | is there a way to have rockbox save the file browser position between restarts? |
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| 18:27:21 | amiconn | Not too complex, but I didn't want to deal with just this little problem. This fix would go well with a boxed scrolling implementation... |
| 18:27:24 | Cassandra | Move to next folder. |
| 18:27:37 | Cassandra | crwl: Yes, it's in the system/file settings. |
| 18:27:44 | crwl | Cassandra, oh, is it :o |
| 18:27:50 | amiconn | Cassandra: Huh? |
| 18:28:03 | Cassandra | I tell a lie. |
| 18:28:07 | Cassandra | File view settings. |
| 18:28:11 | Cassandra | Follow playlist. |
| 18:28:25 | Cassandra | It has that side effect too. |
| 18:28:31 | amiconn | "save the file browser position *between restarts*" |
| 18:28:46 | amiconn | That's not possible independently of the playlist |
| 18:28:46 | godzirra | thanks :) |
| 18:29:23 | godzirra | I just killed my rockbox. |
| 18:29:37 | Cassandra | I'm sorry. I appear to be wrong about that. |
| 18:29:55 | Cassandra | I seem to remember it doing so before. How odd. |
| 18:30:27 | amiconn | Follow playlist will set the file browser to the last played file after an (even short) resume |
| 18:30:38 | godzirra | now I just need to add a volume bar to my wps and I'm set. |
| 18:31:45 | Cassandra | Ah, yes. I used to have "resume" set to "ask" and "follow playlist" set to "on", so since I usually said yes, it had the desired effect for me. |
| 18:32:11 | Cassandra | As amicon says. A quick resume will dump you back where you want to be, when "follow playlist" is set to on. |
| 18:36:26 | Cassandra | Ooh - 4GB SD card shipping soon (for $699) |
| 18:37:27 | Cassandra | Dammit why are morons on eBay paying over 10 quid for small old hard drives. |
| 18:37:40 | Cassandra | This JB Player is turning out to be a real money sink. |
| 18:46:10 | Cassandra | Ah, I think I know how to solve this cheaply. I have a 32MB CF card lying around. A laptop IDE to CF adapter is only 1 quid or so., |
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| 19:06:28 | amiconn | Cassandra: This won't work |
| 19:06:52 | amiconn | A drive that small won't work with FAT32, and the archos firmware can't boot off a FAT16 drive |
| 19:07:41 | bagawk | How small? |
| 19:08:07 | amiconn | [18:45:22] <Cassandra> .... I have a 32MB CF card lying around. A laptop IDE to CF adapter is only 1 quid or so., |
| 19:08:31 | Cassandra | Damn. |
| 19:08:41 | amiconn | W00t! Mandelbrot.rock is pretty damn fast on iriver :)) |
| 19:09:01 | Chamois | amiconn : want to see :-))) |
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| 19:40:46 | bluebrother^ | hmm. |
| 19:41:39 | bluebrother^ | I can reproduce the slowdown-error reported by MooMaunder with all builds after the timer change. |
| 19:42:44 | bluebrother^ | tried turning off the status bar, so no volume display was present −− device slows down. |
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| 19:46:45 | ep0ch | can someone help me with a quick WPS question? :) |
| 19:48:20 | ep0ch | why can't i centre text? i.e. '%acHello World' doesn't centre the text :s |
| 19:48:31 | xMist | haha i just had the same exact problem |
| 19:48:44 | xMist | here's how to fix itL |
| 19:48:46 | xMist | it: |
| 19:49:03 | xMist | do you have %s in the same line |
| 19:49:08 | ep0ch | nope |
| 19:49:15 | ep0ch | i was thinking that adding one would fix it |
| 19:49:17 | xMist | oh nm lol |
| 19:49:31 | xMist | no what rockbox version do you have |
| 19:49:46 | ep0ch | bleeding edge ihp version |
| 19:50:12 | xMist | hmm...get the daily build, that fixed it for my archos JBR |
| 19:51:06 | ep0ch | hmm i'll add a conditional bit to the lione, that'll probably work |
| 19:51:10 | ep0ch | line |
| 19:51:42 | xMist | maybe |
| 19:52:06 | ep0ch | %ac[%pc/%pt] works fine |
| 19:52:19 | ep0ch | meh |
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| 19:56:21 | xMist | good |
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| 20:07:43 | webguest50 | Hello |
| 20:08:08 | bluebrother^ | hi |
| 20:08:56 | webguest50 | you know if Replay Gain for MP3 files is already ready? |
| 20:09:09 | muesli- | it is |
| 20:09:21 | leftright | works like a bomb |
| 20:09:34 | webguest50 | true? |
| 20:09:41 | leftright | true true |
| 20:09:43 | webguest50 | mp3 gain? |
| 20:09:51 | leftright | really really really |
| 20:09:59 | muesli- | yeah yeah yeah yeah |
| 20:10:00 | muesli- | :p |
| 20:10:22 | webguest50 | what logiciel you use? |
| 20:10:32 | webguest50 | mp3 gain? |
| 20:10:54 | leftright | foobars Replaygain |
| 20:11:04 | webguest50 | a ok |
| 20:11:09 | webguest50 | thanks |
| 20:11:31 | leftright | writes to ID3v2 tags |
| 20:11:34 | webguest50 | is it easy to understand (foobar)? |
| 20:11:40 | webguest50 | ok |
| 20:12:12 | leftright | yes, set tag writing to ID3v2 and ID3v1 |
| 20:12:47 | leftright | it wont write to V1, but thats the option available |
| 20:13:50 | webguest50 | oki |
| 20:14:05 | webguest50 | what's about APE tag? |
| 20:14:19 | leftright | it'l strip the ape tag |
| 20:14:41 | webguest50 | it's needed for mp3 gain? |
| 20:15:04 | leftright | Replaygain info isn't stored in the ape tag |
| 20:15:22 | webguest50 | id3 tag if i understand well |
| 20:16:02 | leftright | ID3v2 for Replaygain |
| 20:17:02 | webguest50 | did you test it? |
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| 20:17:55 | leftright | yes I tested, and my entire collection of music is RG'd |
| 20:18:06 | webguest50 | lucky man ;) |
| 20:18:36 | webguest50 | worked good now? |
| 20:18:48 | leftright | yes perfect :) |
| 20:18:56 | webguest50 | :D |
| 20:19:19 | webguest50 | i will do it for my big dirs |
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| 20:19:56 | webguest50 | lot of differents albums−−>different volume :) |
| 20:20:10 | webguest50 | but now it's so good |
| 20:20:20 | webguest50 | thanks again guys |
| 20:20:29 | webguest50 | for all your works |
| 20:20:45 | Cassandra | After 2 hours of RGing, I'm half way through my collection. :( |
| 20:20:52 | thegeek | hehe |
| 20:21:00 | webguest50 | it's a good start :) |
| 20:21:04 | thegeek | I once started rg'in all my files |
| 20:21:09 | thegeek | I left it on overnight |
| 20:21:12 | thegeek | and it was still not done |
| 20:21:15 | webguest50 | i'll do it too |
| 20:21:18 | thegeek | so I had to cancel |
| 20:21:24 | Cassandra | Ouch. |
| 20:21:26 | thegeek | and nothing it did was saved |
| 20:21:30 | thegeek | that was annoying |
| 20:21:42 | thegeek | but I just did it in steps |
| 20:21:47 | webguest50 | how many space? |
| 20:21:49 | Cassandra | Mine seems to be trundling away in the background quite happily. |
| 20:21:52 | leftright | my poor PIII struggled all night |
| 20:22:00 | thegeek | how many space? |
| 20:22:04 | thegeek | you mean how many gb? |
| 20:22:10 | webguest50 | yes :) |
| 20:22:16 | thegeek | atm 72.6 gb |
| 20:22:25 | webguest50 | Ouch |
| 20:22:25 | * | Cassandra has 4000 songs / 30gb or so. |
| 20:22:30 | thegeek | but 5gb is unsorted/unpacked/duplicates |
| 20:22:36 | webguest50 | 40gb here |
| 20:22:51 | thegeek | it's easy to get lots of music when you only download albums |
| 20:22:56 | thegeek | emule is great for albums |
| 20:23:09 | webguest50 | ~7000 songs |
| 20:23:10 | thegeek | i just start 20 albums |
| 20:23:14 | thegeek | and leave it on for some time;) |
| 20:23:20 | webguest50 | good day |
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| 20:23:38 | leftright | I am so chaffed with replaygain :) |
| 20:24:23 | Cassandra | Does it work on Archos too? |
| 20:24:32 | Cassandra | I expect that'd be too much to hope for. |
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| 20:27:42 | belgarath | hi, does the new replaygain support for mp3 read the ape tag? |
| 20:28:40 | Cassandra | Nope. Just ID3. |
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| 20:29:01 | Cassandra | There's a patch that does APE in the tracker, but I don't think people've had time to discuss it yet. |
| 20:36:16 | belgarath | id3 1? |
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| 20:42:38 | leftright | I'm certain that foobars ID3v2 tag writing must be set to ISO-8859-1 as well for Replaygaining, |
| 20:43:20 | Cassandra | Is this bad? |
| 20:44:20 | leftright | mine are all done with ISO-8859-1 enabled, so I dont know the consequences of not doing it |
| 20:44:40 | leftright | but the music hub that I belong to insists on it being enabled |
| 20:45:02 | leftright | and they're fundis with foobar and music |
| 20:45:33 | Cassandra | fundis? |
| 20:45:40 | leftright | experts |
| 20:48:09 | belgarath | leftright: how do I get foobar to do id3v2 tags with iso-8859 enabled> |
| 20:48:10 | belgarath | ? |
| 20:49:10 | leftright | <Ophite1> Otherwise it'll write Unicode tags, where they aren't needed, and screw things up, (thats from an expert) |
| 20:49:29 | belgarath | where do i write that |
| 20:49:42 | leftright | one sec |
| 20:50:40 | leftright | preferences > ID3v2 tag support > tick enable ISO-8859-1 |
| 20:51:15 | belgarath | i don't have id3v2 tag support on the menu |
| 20:51:32 | leftright | its a plugin download it |
| 20:51:39 | belgarath | ok |
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| 20:52:35 | Cassandra | Oh dear. Are mine going to all come out unicoded and not work? |
| 20:52:47 | belgarath | i extract it to the root of the foobar folder? |
| 20:53:04 | leftright | yes afraid so cassandra |
| 20:53:28 | Cassandra | *sigh* |
| 20:53:31 | belgarath | where do I extract the plugin? |
| 20:54:19 | leftright | dont know, I installed a version which has it |
| 20:54:33 | belgarath | i thought i installed the full version... |
| 20:55:34 | belgarath | do you just tick the first check box? |
| 20:57:16 | belgarath | leftright: do you just need to tick the box marked: "always wrute iso-8859-1 tags instead of utf-16? |
| 20:57:38 | leftright | yes |
| 20:58:47 | belgarath | ok now I have to wait 3 hours for it to tag 3000 files.... |
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| 21:06:50 | Stryke` | i was gonna do the same, i think i'll wait for APEv2 support |
| 21:08:53 | leftright | I'm uncertain but if you write to ape it might strip v2 and v1, check the write to tag settings are to your liking |
| 21:09:07 | Stryke` | i have ape and id3v1 |
| 21:09:25 | Stryke` | are you using replaygain on mp3 on rockbox yet? |
| 21:09:34 | leftright | yes I am |
| 21:09:39 | Stryke` | hows the volume? |
| 21:10:19 | leftright | erm, it works as intended, album gain and track gain work well |
| 21:11:05 | Stryke` | what i meant was do you have to raise the normal volume since RG was implemented? |
| 21:11:46 | leftright | no noticeably so, |
| 21:11:54 | leftright | no=not |
| 21:12:15 | Stryke` | interesting |
| 21:12:36 | | Part ep0ch |
| 21:12:47 | Stryke` | and album mode will default to track gain if no album gain is found and vice versa? |
| 21:12:51 | belgarath | i hope after all this time i notice the difference |
| 21:13:31 | leftright | but classical albums were louder with track gain, but that is expected, (just messing around with it) |
| 21:13:53 | bluebrother^ | is the simulator able playing files under linux? |
| 21:14:15 | Stryke` | gapless and replaygain, im in heaven ;-) |
| 21:14:35 | leftright | :-) |
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| 21:20:58 | belgarath | hi dreamtactix |
| 21:26:18 | t0mas | hm |
| 21:26:39 | t0mas | I've found an old ISA card... with some A/D and D/A convertors... |
| 21:26:58 | t0mas | but I don't know wich I/O port to use... because I don't know wich one is free |
| 21:27:09 | t0mas | is there some way to find out if a port address is free in linux? |
| 21:29:03 | bluebrother^ | hmm. cat /proc/ioports maybe? |
| 21:29:24 | * | t0mas feels stupid... |
| 21:29:26 | t0mas | that's it |
| 21:29:35 | bluebrother^ | shows the used ports for me ... but I don't know if this works for ISA cards. |
| 21:29:51 | * | bluebrother^ hasn't used ISA-cards for quite a log while |
| 21:30:22 | t0mas | well... I don't have any ISA cards |
| 21:30:31 | t0mas | so I guess 220 - 22F is free |
| 21:30:39 | t0mas | it was used for old ISA soundblaster cards |
| 21:31:04 | bluebrother^ | hmm, I can remember this. |
| 21:31:10 | bluebrother^ | set blaster=... ;-) |
| 21:31:14 | t0mas | yes in Dos |
| 21:32:45 | bluebrother^ | that were times ... playing Monkey Island. |
| 21:34:13 | * | bluebrother^ feels old. |
| 21:35:24 | t0mas | ghehe |
| 21:37:02 | * | t0mas is going to shut down... to put his new card in :D |
| 21:37:09 | t0mas | "new" like 15 years old |
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| 21:55:46 | ]RowaN[ | guys im about to replaygain my entire collection.. not sure what to choose: per file, album, or multiple album |
| 21:56:51 | t0mas | ok, tnx bluebrother^ |
| 21:56:57 | t0mas | you solved my I/O port problem |
| 21:57:05 | t0mas | now I have a more complicated problem |
| 21:57:12 | t0mas | I don't have an ISA slot |
| 21:57:13 | t0mas | haha |
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| 21:58:15 | BBub | ]RowaN[: per album would make sense |
| 21:58:38 | belgarath | if you are choosing from a whole list of albums |
| 21:58:40 | BBub | but i dont use replaygain - i want the full dynamic of the music ;) |
| 21:58:40 | Stryke` | ]RowaN[: multiple album |
| 21:58:44 | belgarath | then go for multiple |
| 21:59:22 | bluebrother^ | hmmm. This seems to be more tricky ;-) |
| 21:59:37 | Stryke` | BBub: as far as i understand, replaygain does not squash dynamica a la normalization |
| 21:59:44 | belgarath | i thought replaygain did not compress dynamic range? |
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| 22:00:01 | ]RowaN[ | i guess it doesnt matter if i do both.. it just depends which mode i choose in rockbox for which gain tag it uses? |
| 22:00:09 | BBub | well, it adjust the tracks so they are equal in their volume |
| 22:00:25 | Stryke` | ]RowaN[: album and multiple album will automatically do track gain as well |
| 22:00:35 | ]RowaN[ | k |
| 22:00:56 | Stryke` | m |
| 22:00:57 | ]RowaN[ | i dont have any albums, just around 1000 mp3 files |
| 22:01:06 | Stryke` | then track gain makes the most sense |
| 22:02:35 | ]RowaN[ | i still dont really understand relpaygain (how could i, its technical, im thick), but i figure i can add the tags and see what its like without doing any harm |
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| 22:03:28 | Stryke` | you'll never go back ;-) |
| 22:03:49 | BBub | depends on how you like your music |
| 22:04:47 | crwl | replaygain doesn't compress dynamic range |
| 22:04:58 | crwl | all it does is adjusts volume |
| 22:05:45 | Stryke` | dynamic range is untouched |
| 22:06:02 | Stryke` | the worst that *could* happen is the lowest volumes could be inaudible |
| 22:06:14 | Stryke` | but odds are they're inaudible anyway |
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| 22:08:45 | [-AIR-] | y0 |
| 22:13:33 | ]RowaN[ | i usually like my music at max volume, whatever mp3 it is |
| 22:13:41 | ]RowaN[ | so this feature may be lost on me hehe |
| 22:14:00 | ]RowaN[ | max volume sometimes isnt enough.. will replaygain make it even louder ever? |
| 22:14:15 | BBub | never |
| 22:15:08 | BBub | i guess we will have to wait a little longer until someone writes the code to a cutomizable volume-limiter ;) |
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| 22:20:02 | DreamTactix291 | all replaygain is are tags to adjust volume playback to one level so you don't have to adjust your volume ever |
| 22:20:15 | DreamTactix291 | i've gotten spoiled by it on my computer |
| 22:27:13 | | Join memmem [0] (~user@p54A22C0E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 22:27:36 | memmem | Hi! |
| 22:28:38 | | Join Luthion [0] (~NNSCRIPT@240.80-202-211.nextgentel.com) |
| 22:29:57 | [-AIR-] | OMFG fractals and JPEGS. wot more could i ask for |
| 22:30:22 | [-AIR-] | wot res must the jpegs be? |
| 22:30:42 | [-AIR-] | must they be b+w? |
| 22:30:50 | belgarath | YES jPeg support" |
| 22:31:11 | amiconn | The jpegas can be almost any resolution, b&w and colour. |
| 22:31:22 | amiconn | Progressive scan isn't supported by the decoder |
| 22:31:37 | [-AIR-] | WOW |
| 22:31:40 | [-AIR-] | thank you JENS |
| 22:31:42 | [-AIR-] | legend @:) |
| 22:31:44 | [-AIR-] | :) |
| 22:31:45 | [-AIR-] | :D |
| 22:31:51 | [-AIR-] | now for the testing :) |
| 22:31:54 | belgarath | what is the resolution of the lcd though? |
| 22:31:55 | [-AIR-] | wow im so excited |
| 22:32:05 | belgarath | so that i can resize to save space |
| 22:32:07 | amiconn | The plugin will scale them down to make them fit as far as possible, possible scaling factors are 1, 1/2, 1/4 and 1/8 |
| 22:32:38 | belgarath | thanks amiconn |
| 22:32:42 | amiconn | If they don't fit, e.g. if you zoom in, you can scroll around with the joystick |
| 22:32:59 | amiconn | See the wiki for button assignment |
| 22:34:16 | amiconn | The decoder caches the various zoom states, so if you zoom in & out repetitively, it will be very fast. |
| 22:34:53 | amiconn | The decoded image has to fit in the audio buffer, but I don't think someone will hit this limit on iriver |
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| 22:38:10 | [-AIR-] | OMG the fractal gen is AWESOME. my m8 is obsessed: http://www.collywobble.z-two.com |
| 22:39:11 | BBub | the jpeg-support works really nice |
| 22:39:15 | BBub | good quality |
| 22:39:34 | Luthion | can anyone tell which of the latest daily builds for iRiver that is most stable? I saw in the formus that the latest ones are quite unstable... |
| 22:39:58 | [-AIR-] | w0w. the jpeg viewer....W()W()W()W()W()W()W()W |
| 22:40:26 | BBub | Luthion: i cant say they're unstable |
| 22:40:28 | belgarath | i guess adding the replay gain info doesn't mean you have to remake db? |
| 22:40:49 | Cassandra | Shouldn't do. |
| 22:41:46 | Luthion | BBub: oh well, then I'll try the latest one... |
| 22:42:03 | ]RowaN[ | jpeg support.. on iriver 4color+dithering? |
| 22:42:47 | BBub | yes |
| 22:42:54 | BBub | 33 shades |
| 22:43:02 | ]RowaN[ | it would take seconds for the novelty to wear off =p |
| 22:43:17 | [-AIR-] | its awesome |
| 22:43:21 | ]RowaN[ | let me try |
| 22:43:31 | [-AIR-] | ppl do u get many donations...coz u deserver it...i think i mite |
| 22:43:47 | ]RowaN[ | does the jpg need to be any set size/dimensions? |
| 22:44:30 | BBub | no |
| 22:46:02 | ]RowaN[ | arg why cant foobar replaygain scanner have a pause button.. damn cpu overheating |
| 22:46:31 | memmem | Has anyone ever tried to use a CompactFlash card instead of a 1.8" HDD? The connector is the same one, but the pin assignment seems to be different. Anyone knows of an adaptor? |
| 22:47:17 | Lear | foobar 0.9 beta has one... |
| 22:47:28 | Lear | but you should have decent cooling, really.. :) |
| 22:47:39 | BBub | #2 |
| 22:51:30 | ]RowaN[ | i think i pissed up installing new heatsink on my 3ghz chip |
| 22:52:45 | | Join Moos [0] (DrMoos@m7.net81-66-158.noos.fr) |
| 22:52:58 | Moos | Re guys |
| 22:53:05 | belgarath | replay gain scanning is taking ages... |
| 22:54:57 | ]RowaN[ | mog god that jpeg viewer is amazing.. how do you manage all those shades?? |
| 22:55:08 | [-AIR-] | i know., it's awesome innit |
| 22:55:20 | Bagder | cortesy of amiconn magic |
| 22:55:37 | [-AIR-] | :) |
| 22:55:53 | ]RowaN[ | time to make some rockbox porn packs =p |
| 22:56:14 | ]RowaN[ | ooh i got a jpg it dont like |
| 22:56:21 | Bagder | first make it show movies made this way |
| 22:56:29 | Bagder | like the archos version can |
| 22:56:56 | ]RowaN[ | will it be possible (or is it now??) to have jpgs on the wps? |
| 22:57:11 | ]RowaN[ | or 33 shade gifs? |
| 22:57:13 | Bagder | no |
| 22:57:32 | Cassandra | Erm, why does foobar appear to be wiping all my *other* tag info? |
| 22:57:36 | Bagder | only plugins use that due to the added CPU load required |
| 22:58:43 | ]RowaN[ | oh wow its letting me pan around a huge jpg of my kissing someone =p |
| 22:59:31 | leftright | Cassandra you did check 'Always write to ISO-8859-1 |
| 22:59:36 | Cassandra | No. |
| 22:59:52 | amiconn | The grayscale lib doesn't cause very high CPU load on iriver, but the bad thing is that the CPU is kept running at 120 MHz while displaying grayscale, so it will drain the battery some more |
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| 23:00:06 | Bagder | well, that's what I meant |
| 23:00:34 | amiconn | (I didn't measure, but the impact shouldn't be that high. At least the CPU can sleep (yet at high clock) when there is nothing to do |
| 23:00:38 | Lear | cassandra: both 0.8 and 0.9 works well with id3v2 tags here. Of course, I must tell it to write id3v2 tags... |
| 23:00:38 | Cassandra | I can't quite believe it's destructively overwriting all my tags. |
| 23:00:46 | amiconn | The load should be somewhat below 10% |
| 23:01:07 | ]RowaN[ | it looks like the jpeg is constantly refreshing, or some pixels are being constantly changed.. can u reduce the freqency or something to have a worse quality but lower powered jpg? |
| 23:01:24 | amiconn | Nope |
| 23:01:38 | Lear | I saw some "refresh band" move down as well, but only on fairly bright parts of the picture. |
| 23:02:00 | leftright | Playback:> Input > Standard Inputs |
| 23:02:03 | amiconn | The grayscale lib works by quickly flicking the pixels, and this has to occur in sync with the internal refresh of the lcd |
| 23:02:07 | ]RowaN[ | well anyway amiconn, thanks for this feature its ace =] |
| 23:02:17 | Cassandra | I have another copy on the MP3 player, but still .... |
| 23:02:49 | ]RowaN[ | oh wow, click ZOOMs =] |
| 23:02:59 | amiconn | Lear: YSes, that's because we can't sync the grayscale refresh frequency with the internal lcd refresh. On archos we also have this, and it's more noticeable |
| 23:03:16 | leftright | Cassandra, ensure that its set to write to V1 and V2 tags |
| 23:03:31 | leftright | Playback:> Input > Standard Inputs |
| 23:04:22 | [-AIR-] | hey. is the voiced menus working on iriver? |
| 23:04:28 | amiconn | On iriver, the 'refresh band' is a faint white-ish bar, on archos it consists of several small black 'fishes'. The visibility depends on how far off the grayscale refresh is from the LCD refresh |
| 23:04:29 | [-AIR-] | where do i put the voice files? |
| 23:05:12 | amiconn | The more off, the less visible is the band itself, but the image gets a bit unsteady instead |
| 23:06:08 | amiconn | Unfortunately the frequency match isn't constant, because the LCD uses an RC oscillator, which drifts with temperature |
| 23:06:58 | Lear | air: nope, not yet. |
| 23:07:46 | Cassandra | Nice work there ami. Greyscale looks much better on the iRiver than on the Archos#] |
| 23:08:57 | Cassandra | I'm still not entirely convinced that JPEG is the killer feature Rockbox really needs, but it *is* pretty cool. |
| 23:09:20 | Bagder | thanks to the slooow LCD I guess |
| 23:09:36 | amiconn | Yes, the slow LCD helps a lot here |
| 23:10:02 | Cassandra | Hmmm. Slower LCD makes it look better? Weird. |
| 23:10:50 | amiconn | I'm still thinking about switching the LCD to true b&w mode while showing greyscale, this would make it even less flickery because then the internal LCD refresh rate is doubled, so we could also flick pixels with double speed |
| 23:10:59 | Cassandra | I don't think voice support is in yet. |
| 23:11:26 | amiconn | However, this would the drop the possibility to show a greyscale overlay in parallel with normal graphics |
| 23:11:31 | amiconn | *then |
| 23:12:05 | Bagder | amiconn: won't it also force you to add two functions for things like string output etc? |
| 23:12:10 | amiconn | Dunno if this is necessary; the greyscale demo plugin (adaption for iriver not yet committed) is the only one using it so far |
| 23:12:40 | Bagder | I mean, since it would need to write to b&w mode as well as the "normal" 4 greys |
| 23:12:47 | [-AIR-] | kk |
| 23:13:45 | amiconn | Bagder: Yes, if I want to be able to show normal graphics in parallel with a greyscale overlay. That's why I said this feature would be dropped when switching. |
| 23:14:13 | Bagder | right |
| 23:14:15 | amiconn | For showing text within the grayscale area, the library has its own functions |
| 23:14:26 | amiconn | (it has to) |
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| 23:15:11 | amiconn | Most drawing functions now work with buffered mode only, allowing to work with the grayscale lib much more like with the native graphics core |
| 23:15:49 | amiconn | You draw into a (chunky) buffer, gray_update() would then transfer the changes into the multi-planar output buffer |
| 23:16:39 | amiconn | For legacy issues (and saving RAM), the lib additionally supports unbuffered mode, but only for frading greyscale bitmaps and scrolling |
| 23:16:52 | amiconn | s/frading/drawing/ |
| 23:17:27 | amiconn | The grayscale demo plugin will show how buffered mode works (actually it already does, for archos) |
| 23:19:33 | amiconn | Buffered mode uses a secondary chunky buffer for delta-compare, so it should be quite fast even on archos if the amount of changes is small. |
| 23:20:24 | amiconn | That should allow the solid greyscale cube.rock to show up on archos soon ... :) |
| 23:20:27 | BBub | how cpu-consuming is the lib that is used by the jpeg-viewer? |
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| 23:31:28 | ]RowaN[ | wow foobar has "sort by artist", unlike winamp |
| 23:32:06 | DreamTactix291 | foobar does like everything |
| 23:32:11 | DreamTactix291 | it's spoiled me for over a year now |
| 23:34:25 | ]RowaN[ | is it skinnable? |
| 23:35:28 | DreamTactix291 | kinda |
| 23:35:34 | DreamTactix291 | since i never look at it i never cared about that |
| 23:35:51 | DreamTactix291 | there is foo_looks and foo_columns_ui |
| 23:35:52 | belgarath | it takes awhile to scan 3000 songs tho |
| 23:35:57 | DreamTactix291 | well yeah |
| 23:36:02 | DreamTactix291 | 3000 songs to replaygain means |
| 23:36:03 | belgarath | i love my radiohead skin for winamp tho |
| 23:36:09 | DreamTactix291 | it has to decode 3000 tracks |
| 23:36:12 | DreamTactix291 | then retag them |
| 23:36:27 | belgarath | i know i was only kidding...its not taking tooo long |
| 23:36:28 | DreamTactix291 | that takes a while even on a fast machine |
| 23:36:32 | DreamTactix291 | :P |
| 23:36:38 | * | DreamTactix291 loves replaygain so much |
| 23:36:53 | belgarath | i hope it works now |
| 23:37:27 | DreamTactix291 | what format? |
| 23:37:29 | belgarath | i've had to scan previously because I hadn't downloaded the id3v2 plugin, as rockbox does not support ape |
| 23:37:37 | belgarath | mp3 and ogg i think |
| 23:37:38 | ]RowaN[ | where do i put the foo_looks files? |
| 23:37:48 | belgarath | but its not finished scanning yet |
| 23:37:50 | DreamTactix291 | i think they've only got vorbis and wavpack working on the H100s though so far |
| 23:37:52 | belgarath | 700 songs to go |
| 23:38:10 | belgarath | http://www.rockbox.org/ says that mp3 was implemented |
| 23:38:19 | DreamTactix291 | well i haven't checked today |
| 23:38:23 | DreamTactix291 | so if it is that's good |
| 23:38:31 | DreamTactix291 | as of yesterday it wasn't |
| 23:39:02 | ]RowaN[ | ah |
| 23:39:06 | belgarath | apparently mp3 recording will be difficult, and ogg is impossible? |
| 23:39:55 | DreamTactix291 | vorbis encoding takes a good bit of CPU |
| 23:40:06 | ]RowaN[ | is foo_looks supposed to be tiny? |
| 23:40:16 | DreamTactix291 | i'll "settle" for WavPack recording as that's my lossless codec anyway |
| 23:40:27 | DreamTactix291 | ]RowaN[: i've never used foo_looks so i have no idea |
| 23:41:14 | ]RowaN[ | cant seem to disable it now =/ |
| 23:41:37 | DreamTactix291 | well you could always delete it |
| 23:41:42 | DreamTactix291 | that would disable it :P |
| 23:42:40 | leftright | hmm, try disabling it by clicking on a track in the playlist anywhere |
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| 23:44:03 | ]RowaN[ | ok lets try the other one |
| 23:45:34 | | Quit ansivirus (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 23:47:49 | ]RowaN[ | hmm colums is a nicer layout |
| 23:48:27 | DreamTactix291 | i pretty much left the layout stuff alone |
| 23:48:42 | DreamTactix291 | foobar looks pretty good in the basic setup after changing a few colours to me |
| 23:52:43 | Cassandra | foobar has done something very odd to my tags. Windows can see them. Foobar can see them. MP3gain can't. |
| 23:53:15 | DreamTactix291 | what type of tags do you have foobar set to write? |
| 23:54:07 | Cassandra | ID3v1+2 |
| 23:55:00 | | Quit Aison ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.72 :: www.XLhost.de )") |
| 23:55:23 | Cassandra | foobar claims they have replaygain info attached, which seems good. |
| 23:56:06 | Lear | mp3gain can only read/write ape... |
| 23:56:26 | Cassandra | Erm, sorry, mp3tag. |
| 23:56:51 | Lear | I noticed that as well. I guess it doesn't like unicode tags... |
| 23:57:02 | Lear | So I ditched that program... :) |
| 23:57:28 | DreamTactix291 | after replaygaining there isn't much point to mp3gaining |
| 23:57:43 | DreamTactix291 | you'll actually go too soft on a program that can read replaygain tags |
| 23:57:51 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:58:41 | Cassandra | Rockbox copes OK with unicode tags, I take it? |
| 23:58:53 | DreamTactix291 | all my ID3v2 are unicode |
| 23:58:55 | DreamTactix291 | so yeah |
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