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00:01:36 | ryan_j | Still no problem here, and I'm using the latest code. |
00:02:11 | leftright | playing the last or only song in the playlist ? |
00:02:46 | ryan_j | Only one song in the list. |
00:02:49 | leftright | hmm, let me reinstall the build then |
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00:04:40 | ryan_j | Also tried the last song in the list, still no problems. |
00:12:29 | leftright | thats strange, it still does it here |
00:13:33 | ryan_j | I just tried the daily build. Nothing. Just out of curiosity, which kind of file are you playing? |
00:13:41 | ryan_j | Not that it should matter |
00:13:45 | leftright | mp3 |
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00:14:39 | leftright | it is really strange behaviour |
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00:16:24 | ryan_j | I assume it happens to all mp3s? |
00:16:24 | leftright | I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that I dont use unicode tags |
00:16:33 | leftright | yes all mp3's |
00:18:07 | leftright | my tags are all written in ISO-8859-1 |
00:20:07 | ryan_j | As are mine. Could you send me one to test with? |
00:20:28 | leftright | sure where too |
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00:20:42 | ryan_j | rdjackso@gmail.com |
00:20:51 | leftright | ok. |
00:24:21 | ryan_j | Is anyone here using the latest bootloader? |
00:26:37 | amiconn | yeps |
00:28:05 | ryan_j | Does yours still turn on even with the hold switch on? |
00:28:48 | Stryke` | from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot 'The bootloader will boot even if the hold switch(es) are on hold if you press PLAY really short. This will happen with either PLAY button and either hold switch, main unit and remote.' |
00:28:57 | amiconn | ryan_j: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot#Known_bugs |
00:29:03 | amiconn | I added that... |
00:29:18 | ryan_j | amiconn: thanks. I must have missed that. |
00:29:40 | amiconn | However, I don't care much. I almost never use hold |
00:29:45 | leftright | ryan_j: I'm having a few problems with my isp, should get there soon |
00:30:56 | leftright | its one song only 6 megs |
00:31:08 | ryan_j | leftright: okay |
00:31:40 | ryan_j | amiconn: same here, 'cept when I put it in my pocket after getting out of my car |
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00:34:17 | OPP | anyone here thats working on the h3xx project/ |
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00:38:17 | leftright | ryan_j: I'm having problems with my isp, can I send it to you via msn, if you dont mind |
00:39:49 | ryan_j | leftright: don't have an msn account. I have a yahoo messenger account though |
00:40:27 | leftright | hmm, let me see if I can send it via my girlfriends email, one sec |
00:41:02 | OPP | what are you trying to send |
00:41:03 | OPP | use |
00:41:07 | OPP | yousendit.com |
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00:48:52 | thegeek_ | btw |
00:49:04 | thegeek_ | I tested the daily yesterday |
00:49:10 | thegeek_ | and the daily for the day before that |
00:49:19 | thegeek_ | and both had very slow volume-changing |
00:49:25 | thegeek_ | so I had to revert even further back |
00:49:26 | thegeek_ | known ? |
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00:53:01 | ryan_j | thegeek_: volume-changing seems fine here |
00:53:19 | thegeek_ | good;) |
00:53:20 | thegeek_ | or not |
00:53:24 | thegeek_ | perhaps it's just mine |
00:53:24 | thegeek_ | hmm |
00:53:30 | thegeek_ | *testing latest* |
00:53:35 | leftright | who said broadband was fast... |
00:53:50 | thegeek_ | it's just broad |
00:54:54 | thegeek_ | hmm |
00:55:01 | thegeek_ | perhaps I should clean out .rocbox |
00:55:03 | thegeek_ | *k |
00:55:57 | leftright | ryan_j: you have mail |
00:56:08 | thegeek_ | seems fine now:) |
00:58:42 | thegeek_ | hmm |
00:59:04 | thegeek_ | I'm impressed by just how good albumart looks |
00:59:12 | ryan_j | leftright: hasn't shown up yet. |
00:59:12 | thegeek_ | amiconn really is a genius;) |
00:59:27 | thegeek_ | if we could just implement some kind of "splash" mode for albumart |
00:59:42 | thegeek_ | like, each time a new album start just show the jpg in the folder of the album |
00:59:48 | leftright | hmm, might take a minute or two, it definately left here |
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01:05:43 | leftright | wow, album art does look good |
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01:14:10 | ryan_j | leftright: still works. |
01:14:30 | leftright | damn, wonder what my problem is then |
01:15:02 | ryan_j | gotta go |
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01:15:14 | leftright | thanks |
01:15:26 | amiconn | Hmm. Could someone point me to some EMAC documentation? |
01:15:44 | amiconn | The coldfire2 user's manual doesn't tell much... |
01:19:36 | leftright | I must be going mad then, could someone else try and duplicate my bug ? |
01:21:03 | leftright | add one song to the playlist only, whilst playing that song right click as if skipping to a next song |
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01:22:05 | San | Yo |
01:22:12 | leftright | see if it causes playback to freeze |
01:22:36 | San | Do you guys need Pictures or diagrams of the circut boards in a H300? |
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01:24:53 | San | ? |
01:25:56 | leftright | ask in the morning San, maybe nows not a good time its 0139am CET |
01:26:20 | San | oh |
01:26:22 | San | ok |
01:26:28 | San | thanks |
01:26:35 | leftright | :) |
01:32:17 | leftright | well on the bright side, I have a special player, it has bugs no-one else can duplicate |
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01:35:40 | BoD[] | Yo! |
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01:54:40 | San | Yo |
01:55:22 | BoD[] | whatsup |
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01:59:08 | San | NM |
01:59:24 | San | Just wana see the lates on the H300's port |
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02:03:42 | OPP | same |
02:06:10 | BoD[] | I bought a h340 |
02:06:16 | BoD[] | then i tried to return it |
02:06:27 | OPP | ill buy it from you... |
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02:07:48 | BoD[] | they didn't want to give me my money back |
02:07:59 | BoD[] | only a .. I don't know how to say in english |
02:08:09 | BoD[] | a paper that says I can buy something else of the same value |
02:08:31 | BoD[] | problem is i don't have anything else to buy in that store |
02:09:05 | BoD[] | so now I don't have a player, and I have -400eur on my account :( |
02:09:10 | OPP | o |
02:09:12 | OPP | a credit |
02:09:15 | OPP | like a store credit |
02:09:22 | OPP | what store is it |
02:09:26 | BoD[] | yeah |
02:09:36 | BoD[] | it's a small store in france |
02:10:06 | BoD[] | it's cheap but... maybe I should have paid a bit more and have the possibility to return it |
02:10:44 | OPP | why dont you want it |
02:10:47 | OPP | thats a great pric |
02:11:48 | OPP | rockbox will have a fw for it soon too |
02:12:01 | BoD[] | well |
02:12:16 | BoD[] | i wanted this model for the usb host capabilities |
02:12:17 | OPP | and you can have videos too |
02:12:20 | BoD[] | BUT |
02:12:32 | BoD[] | it won't work with my sony camera :( |
02:12:43 | OPP | oooo |
02:12:45 | BoD[] | so now i'm disapointed |
02:12:46 | OPP | stinks |
02:13:02 | OPP | maybe rockbox could fix that |
02:13:03 | OPP | ill brb |
02:13:18 | San | Hey OPP |
02:14:14 | BoD[] | i guess it would be difficult de solve that |
02:14:49 | Stryke` | problem probably is with the camera |
02:15:08 | BoD[] | you need to find the specs or reverse engineer the sony usb protocols... why these f***ers didn't just use the standard usb mass device protocole is beyond me |
02:18:00 | BoD[] | anywayyyyyyyyyyyy |
02:19:26 | BoD[] | bed time |
02:19:27 | BoD[] | bye |
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02:23:44 | OPP | hey san |
02:24:18 | San | yo |
02:24:54 | OPP | whats goin on wit h300 series |
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02:47:41 | thegeek_ | nothing really |
02:47:58 | thegeek_ | h300 will prob follow when h1xx is done |
02:48:15 | thegeek_ | and whenever linus gets time or feels like making the bootloader;) |
02:48:15 | thegeek_ | and |
02:48:25 | thegeek_ | when all data on the parts have been collected |
02:57:41 | OPP | o |
02:57:51 | OPP | isnt h100 done |
02:58:50 | thegeek_ | no |
02:58:59 | thegeek_ | there has been no official release with h100 support |
02:59:42 | OPP | o |
02:59:43 | OPP | he |
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03:01:00 | OPP | cant wait for h300x port |
03:01:07 | OPP | hope i get to use it before school |
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03:26:40 | corr0sive | hello |
03:26:51 | OPP | hey |
03:26:53 | OPP | :-D |
03:27:08 | corr0sive | yoyo |
03:28:47 | corr0sive | the h10 is some pretty slick hardware |
03:34:33 | corr0sive | is there any research into getting rockbox firmware on an h10 |
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03:38:39 | BBub | no |
03:38:51 | BBub | and there will be none for a long time |
03:39:01 | BBub | as it uses the same dsp the ipod uses |
03:41:43 | OPP | hey bbub :-D |
03:42:34 | BBub | hi |
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03:44:12 | corr0sive | new hardware calls for new firmware |
03:44:55 | OPP | ... |
03:45:19 | corr0sive | let it rock out w/ video bro ;) |
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04:06:16 | corr0sive | to hell with firmware! kill zombies! http://www.hardcorepawn.com/zombie3/ |
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06:58:34 | ze | yeah like days ago |
06:59:08 | odd | :( |
06:59:12 | odd | i just found out |
06:59:16 | odd | so sue me :( |
06:59:35 | ze | hehe |
06:59:54 | odd | i haven't even been at my computer for a while |
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07:00:06 | odd | so i suppose i should've checked for that before making myself sound stupid :( |
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12:01:36 | leftright | anyone here want to help me duplicate a bug ? |
12:05:38 | leftright | in wps, right-click and skip tracks very quickly forward, do it faster than the counter can display, see if it crashes |
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12:14:37 | Moos | Hi all |
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12:24:03 | hshah | hello? |
12:24:57 | hshah | anyone here? |
12:25:40 | leftright | yes I'm here, but jusr a guest |
12:27:36 | hshah | anyone know how to patch the rockbox? |
12:27:45 | hshah | for the iriver? |
12:28:05 | hshah | http://www.rockbox.org/patches.shtml |
12:28:15 | hshah | there are lots of patches there... but how do u patch the builds? |
12:30:48 | [-AIR-] | good question. |
12:30:55 | [-AIR-] | i couldn't figure it out :s |
12:31:14 | [-AIR-] | u need cygwin |
12:31:18 | [-AIR-] | google it |
12:31:31 | [-AIR-] | and you need to download the source from the daily builds |
12:31:39 | [-AIR-] | i got that far...but then stuck |
12:33:05 | hshah | lol... |
12:33:20 | hshah | well ive posted about it on the rockbox forums and on the misticriver.org forums |
12:33:34 | hshah | hopefully someone comes to my rescue :p |
12:36:12 | [-AIR-] | :) |
12:37:48 | austriancoder | patch < patchname.patch |
12:38:55 | austriancoder | you need a full development enviroment and current source (daily build or cvs) |
12:39:19 | [-AIR-] | so cygwin and current source? |
12:39:24 | austriancoder | then you copy patch into root dir of sources and simply run patch < patchname.patch |
12:39:33 | [-AIR-] | where do you put the patch and where to you cd to? |
12:39:36 | [-AIR-] | kk |
12:40:50 | austriancoder | wait one moment |
12:41:19 | austriancoder | there is a ready-to-use development-enviroment for windows.. must search link.. linux user ;) |
12:41:31 | thegeek_ | JADA |
12:41:39 | thegeek_ | ENDA en superior absorption |
12:42:26 | austriancoder | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/cyborgsystems/CS_Main/RockBox/RockBox.htm |
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12:44:47 | hshah | so do i download the latest rockbox source from http://www.rockbox.org/download/ then? |
12:45:33 | hshah | extract that to a folder on my hdd, say c:\iriver\ |
12:45:46 | hshah | and then patch it using the program u linked to? |
12:46:09 | austriancoder | hshah: read this: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/cyborgsystems/CS_Main/RockBox/Win32_DevKit/RockBox-DevKit_v312.html |
12:46:27 | hshah | but what im confused about is how come there is a different build for each mp3 player, but there is a generic source code? |
12:47:13 | austriancoder | big parts of rockbox are generic.. and some parts are low-level drivers and other device specific stuff |
12:47:36 | hshah | so when its complied how will it know its for my iriver h120? |
12:47:52 | austriancoder | rockbox has a configure tool |
12:48:01 | hshah | oh rite... |
12:48:02 | hshah | lol |
12:48:15 | austriancoder | tools/configue ... does create all makefiles for you.. ;) |
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12:49:05 | hshah | this link u gave me above is confusing the hell out of me |
12:49:27 | hshah | i got this so far: |
12:49:32 | hshah | download source and devkit |
12:49:42 | hshah | install devkit and extract source |
12:49:49 | hshah | apply patch to source using devkit |
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12:49:59 | hshah | now how do i recompile it for my iriver? |
12:50:18 | austriancoder | make a dir called |
12:50:22 | austriancoder | build |
12:50:24 | austriancoder | cd build |
12:50:36 | austriancoder | run ../tools/configure |
12:50:38 | hshah | ok... |
12:50:50 | austriancoder | and then |
12:50:51 | austriancoder | make |
12:51:11 | hshah | cool :) |
12:51:25 | hshah | thanks :) |
12:52:20 | austriancoder | i think in the wiki are also all infos about this topic |
12:54:15 | * | austriancoder is away to eat something |
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12:54:41 | San | Hey |
12:59:46 | [-AIR-] | San :-o |
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13:02:02 | leftright | could the fact that I only have 900megs free space cause Rockbox to crash |
13:02:39 | [-AIR-] | no. |
13:03:36 | San | do you rockbok guys need any diagrams and pictures of the inside of a H300? |
13:03:55 | [-AIR-] | san look at the wiki. they have photos already. |
13:04:00 | [-AIR-] | but not scans |
13:04:05 | San | but diagrams? |
13:04:15 | [-AIR-] | errr how u mean...like schematics? |
13:04:24 | San | yeah? |
13:04:30 | [-AIR-] | duno |
13:04:34 | [-AIR-] | chek the h3xx wiki |
13:05:04 | San | ok |
13:05:51 | San | thanks west ;-) |
13:07:20 | [-AIR-] | ;) |
13:07:30 | [-AIR-] | wotchoo call me ;) |
13:07:46 | San | lol |
13:07:54 | San | west.acre |
13:07:57 | San | :p |
13:08:30 | leftright | San Linus is the guy to talk to about the H340, and he's on holiday right know |
13:08:53 | San | oh |
13:08:55 | leftright | I think he returnes in a weeks time |
13:09:00 | San | ok |
13:09:27 | San | so, is the port deffinate at this stage? |
13:09:57 | leftright | cant comment on that, you need to ask Linus |
13:10:36 | leftright | My personal opinion is that it will happen, but it'll be a while yet |
13:11:05 | San | ok, so is linus the guy in charge? |
13:11:16 | San | like the main guy who started it? |
13:11:20 | leftright | yes |
13:11:36 | San | ok |
13:11:45 | San | thanks for answering my questions guys |
13:11:50 | San | gotta go |
13:11:51 | San | bya |
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13:23:44 | leftright | if there is only one song in the playlist, what is it supposed to do when i get to the end of the last song |
13:25:13 | Moos | depand of your "repeat mode" choise |
13:25:25 | leftright | repeat is off |
13:25:44 | Moos | suposed to stop |
13:26:05 | leftright | freeze or stop |
13:27:20 | leftright | my player either freezes the wps at the end of the song or it crashes rockbox |
13:27:48 | Moos | strange this behaviour don't happen here |
13:28:14 | Moos | i'll test wait 2 sec |
13:28:32 | leftright | add only one song to the playlist |
13:28:43 | Moos | insert 1 song only? |
13:28:47 | leftright | yes |
13:28:51 | Moos | ok |
13:29:26 | Moos | 1 song playing |
13:29:35 | Moos | i leave it play? |
13:29:46 | leftright | yes, try that first |
13:30:59 | leftright | I lsao get strange behaviour if I righ-click the joystick, as if skipping to another track |
13:31:07 | leftright | lsao=also |
13:32:41 | Moos | it stoped here |
13:32:58 | Moos | normal behaviour it back to browser |
13:33:10 | leftright | ok, thanks |
13:33:22 | Moos | what build you use? |
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13:33:57 | leftright | latest build, I have tried several builds, old and new and it does this |
13:34:08 | Moos | very strange |
13:34:14 | leftright | yes indeed |
13:34:16 | Moos | whats optons are enabled |
13:34:23 | Moos | crosfade, rg... |
13:34:30 | Moos | *options |
13:34:33 | leftright | replay gain, no crossfade |
13:34:48 | Moos | bootloader version? |
13:34:57 | leftright | v5 |
13:35:35 | Moos | the last build don't cause this behaviour and last bootloader too i think |
13:35:49 | Moos | maybe iriver player problem? |
13:36:00 | Moos | HD |
13:36:11 | leftright | what I would like to do is send the unit to one of the developers |
13:36:34 | Moos | i'm not a dev, scuse :( |
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13:36:57 | leftright | thanks for your help |
13:37:03 | Moos | np |
13:37:17 | Moos | just this thing problem ,or? |
13:37:24 | leftright | I might consider formating my hard drive |
13:37:33 | leftright | yes just this one bug |
13:38:02 | Moos | but why do you do playlist if you want just 1 song? |
13:38:29 | leftright | its the only way I can reproduce the bug which crashes my player |
13:38:49 | Moos | why do you want your player crash? :) |
13:39:12 | leftright | no it crashes randonly during normal mp3 playback |
13:39:14 | Moos | if all things worked it's good, no? |
13:39:43 | leftright | so to trouble shoot and try to narrow it down I experimented |
13:40:25 | Moos | ok, but that is strange, is it anybody can replicate this |
13:40:47 | leftright | so far no, but only you have tested this |
13:41:03 | Moos | what kind of files? |
13:41:05 | Moos | mp3 |
13:41:09 | leftright | mp3 |
13:41:51 | Moos | how do you ripead it? |
13:41:57 | leftright | hmm, I need to start with a fresh player and then see if it still does it |
13:42:05 | leftright | EAC LAME aps |
13:42:11 | Moos | strange |
13:42:47 | Moos | if is it HD problem, you can upgrade it |
13:43:18 | leftright | yes, good excuse for it |
13:43:26 | Moos | yes indeed :) |
13:43:45 | Moos | iH140 or 120? |
13:43:50 | leftright | 140 |
13:44:06 | Moos | yes 60 go it's so good ;) |
13:44:16 | leftright | for sure :) |
13:44:24 | Moos | i planed to do it too soon with battery replacement too |
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13:44:46 | leftright | I've already replaced the Battery |
13:44:52 | Moos | :) |
13:45:22 | leftright | right, time to backup and format |
13:45:35 | Moos | good luck :) |
13:45:40 | leftright | merci |
13:45:59 | Moos | il n'y a pas de quoi ;) |
13:46:40 | leftright | pad croire, (hope my spelling is correct) |
13:47:06 | Moos | ? |
13:47:08 | Moos | :) |
13:47:25 | Moos | croire=believe |
13:47:26 | leftright | no worries :) |
13:47:29 | Moos | :) |
13:47:51 | leftright | whats no worries in french |
13:48:43 | Moos | we can tell " pas de souci" |
13:48:55 | Moos | or pas de probleme |
13:49:19 | hshah | tu es une lapin |
13:49:27 | hshah | lol |
13:49:30 | Moos | :) |
13:49:35 | hshah | only french i could think of :p |
13:49:42 | Moos | why rabbit? :D |
13:49:53 | Moos | my english is very bad |
13:50:12 | hshah | my french is very bad :p |
13:50:29 | hshah | not sure why rabbit... i did GCSE in French and got A* but that was 3 years ago |
13:50:35 | Moos | welcome to the club |
13:50:59 | Moos | GCSE? |
13:51:20 | hshah | the exams u do at the end of year 11 |
13:51:31 | Moos | a ok :) |
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13:59:28 | hshah | anyone... im trying to patch my source... |
13:59:34 | hshah | having a slight problem |
13:59:51 | hshah | its saying it can't find the file.... |
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14:32:57 | wehn | maybe 'patch -p1 < patchfile' |
14:32:59 | wehn | or http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
14:33:23 | ashridah | it'd probably help if he was here :) |
14:33:40 | wehn | :) whoops |
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15:15:38 | Lear | slasheri? |
15:16:29 | Slasheri | Lear: hi :) |
15:17:04 | Lear | Hi. I was wondering about that bug there's a workaround for in pcm_playback.c. How do you reproduce it? |
15:17:22 | Lear | Specific files/formats? |
15:17:42 | Slasheri | Ah, hmm |
15:17:52 | Slasheri | only mp3 files has that problem |
15:18:03 | Lear | I tried it a couple of times just now, and once I got something, but it could have been a "spike" turning the audio on... |
15:18:23 | Slasheri | you should try find a file that has (loud) audio immediately at the start of the track |
15:18:41 | Slasheri | then remove the line commented "REMOVE THIS TO TEST" |
15:18:45 | Lear | ah, I primarily tried one with low audio in the start (making it easier to hear any noise). |
15:18:51 | Lear | and yes, I removed that line. :) |
15:19:00 | Slasheri | you will hear some junk pcm data when you first play that file |
15:19:15 | Slasheri | if you play the file second time, the problem will not appear until on next boot |
15:19:26 | Lear | boot==rolo, in this case? |
15:19:32 | Slasheri | it might be some initialization problem with the mpa codec |
15:19:48 | Slasheri | hmm, i haven't tried rolo boot.. i can test it now |
15:20:06 | Lear | it ought to be... |
15:22:06 | Slasheri | interesting.. that problem occurs only with cold boot |
15:22:13 | Slasheri | rolo boot does not reproduce it |
15:23:03 | Lear | how could it be mp3-specific then? sounds more like audio hardware initialization... |
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15:24:01 | Slasheri | i think it could be mp3 specific because if we discard some/one mp3 frame in the codec then that problem is gone |
15:24:27 | Slasheri | (but of course we will miss that one frame of audio also) |
15:27:11 | Lear | discard, as in decoding in the codec, but not feed it to the audio buffer? |
15:27:32 | Slasheri | yes |
15:27:42 | Lear | ah, there I think I heard something... |
15:28:54 | Slasheri | it might be some cpu specific initialization bug mpa codec has.. |
15:29:50 | Lear | but it is odd that not even a rolo is enough to re-create the same situation... |
15:29:58 | Slasheri | yep |
15:30:37 | Lear | okay, I have a good repeatable test case now at least. |
15:30:45 | Slasheri | good :) |
15:32:41 | austriancoder | linux user: what app do you use for scanning? |
15:35:00 | Slasheri | Lear: i fixed it |
15:35:14 | Slasheri | what ever this does but we need to init the mac: asm volatile ("move.l #0x20, %macsr;"); |
15:35:15 | Lear | You did? Macsr not set properly by any chance? :) |
15:35:23 | Slasheri | yep |
15:35:32 | Slasheri | i will now prepare it for commit |
15:35:33 | Lear | Yay, my suspicion was right! ;) |
15:35:36 | Slasheri | :D |
15:36:03 | Lear | The mac must be in the right mode, or else some multiplications will go haywire. |
15:36:13 | Slasheri | nice.. =) |
15:37:06 | Lear | A bit like if you multiply two 32 bit numbers and take the low 32 bits of the result, instead of the top ones. |
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15:37:37 | Marie | Hello all |
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15:38:08 | Marie | btw thanks to Lear for Replay Gain support |
15:38:27 | Marie | just a quick question please |
15:38:31 | Lear | Youre welcome, Marie. |
15:38:37 | Marie | thanks |
15:39:01 | Marie | it's about dB used by default with foobar |
15:39:08 | Marie | it's 89db |
15:39:30 | Marie | can i increase it with this Clipping prevebtion |
15:39:32 | Marie | ? |
15:39:41 | Marie | *prevention |
15:40:03 | Lear | No, there is no preamp or similar in rockbox at the moment. |
15:40:14 | Marie | a ok |
15:40:43 | Lear | What clip prevention does is to lower the volue a bit, if it otherwise would clip during playback. |
15:40:57 | Marie | can't increase the volume for example 10db, because Rockbow have less volume than iriverfw |
15:41:00 | Lear | s/volue/volume/ |
15:41:19 | Marie | ok |
15:41:29 | Marie | have you planed to add this? |
15:42:08 | Lear | No immediate plans anyway. I rarely need to go above 70 in volume anyway... |
15:42:23 | Marie | lucky man |
15:42:30 | Marie | here it's not the same |
15:42:49 | Lear | Shouldn't be too hard to add though. |
15:42:50 | Marie | i really want to increase the dB value but i'm afraid |
15:42:58 | Marie | to add clipping |
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15:44:49 | Marie | is it reasonable to increase a bit this 89dB without risck? |
15:45:12 | Marie | is it one limit? |
15:46:01 | Lear | Depends on the source material a lot, so it's hard to tell. Usually, a little clipping isn't that audible though. |
15:46:19 | Marie | ok... |
15:46:46 | Marie | e.g 95dB it's not a lot, no? |
15:47:47 | Lear | That would be doubling the volume, I think, so it is a lot, in that way... |
15:48:15 | Marie | ok |
15:48:52 | Marie | how many dB, think you, can i increase in average, for not have a lot of risk? |
15:49:55 | Lear | I don't know, since it depends so much on the music in question. And I haven't really looked at it either... |
15:50:20 | Marie | a ok thanks for the help |
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15:50:59 | Marie | i'll leave this 89 db |
15:51:31 | Marie | thanks everyone for all Rockbox works |
15:51:41 | Marie | that Rocks ;) |
15:51:53 | muesli- | re |
15:51:56 | Marie | bye all and thanks again Magnus |
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15:52:44 | muesli- | btw does enabled replaygain support drains the battery even when my files are not treated with it? |
15:53:18 | Lear | nope, and it doesn't add much even when enabled. |
15:53:42 | Lear | in terms of cpu boost, it is not noticable, afaik. |
15:54:27 | muesli- | mk |
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16:00:09 | preglow | i dont think putting a mac init routine in system.h is a very good idea |
16:00:22 | preglow | the way you want to init the mac, depends on what youre doing |
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16:06:40 | leftright | I'm getting a 'accessing playlist error', is this normal after a fresh install of rockbox |
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16:08:28 | preglow | for me, at least |
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16:22:10 | ryan_j | hey all |
16:22:17 | preglow | yo |
16:22:50 | ryan_j | How accurate is the battery level reading on iriver? |
16:26:17 | leftright | this 'System Volume Information' file, must it stay on ? |
16:29:16 | ryan_j | leftright: I don't have one on mine |
16:29:34 | leftright | hi ryan_j |
16:29:40 | ryan_j | hey |
16:29:46 | leftright | show hidden files |
16:30:23 | Lear | leftright: windows creates those... |
16:30:35 | leftright | I am rteally despairing with that bug that my player persists with |
16:31:07 | Moos | Lear: thanks again for Replay Gain, it's work like a charm |
16:31:26 | leftright | I have formated my drive, loaded a few files, mp3, back onto the player |
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16:32:30 | Moos | have you still the strange behaviour? |
16:32:31 | leftright | and it Still locks up if I have only ONE file in the playlist and right-click for a next file |
16:32:37 | leftright | yes moose |
16:32:46 | Moos | :( |
16:32:58 | ryan_j | leftright: have you tried any other format (vorbis, flac, etc.) |
16:33:24 | leftright | no, dont have any of them, |
16:33:43 | Lear | leftright: you mean it crashes when you start loading the next track, for whatever reason? |
16:34:04 | leftright | yes with one file in the playlist only |
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16:34:30 | leftright | richt click as if you want to select another file, wps then freezes |
16:34:49 | Lear | as in "only when there's only one file in the playlist" or "even if there's only one file in the playlist"? |
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16:35:25 | leftright | only one file in the playlist, or, if its the Last file playing back in the playlist |
16:35:33 | OPP | hello |
16:35:54 | Lear | ah, so it only happens at the end of a playlist? |
16:35:59 | leftright | yes |
16:36:22 | Lear | and how have you set the "Move to the next folder" setting? |
16:36:56 | leftright | its set to 'yes' |
16:37:32 | ryan_j | Just tested with 'Move Folder' set to yes on mine. It froze :-/ |
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16:37:47 | leftright | yay, I'm not going mad |
16:37:54 | OPP | just seein whats goin on with h3xx port |
16:38:31 | stripwax | hey |
16:38:40 | Lear | hm... I'm having problems recreating that... |
16:38:51 | stripwax | HCl had a chance to look at that sokoban patch yet? ;-) |
16:39:23 | leftright | lear you have unicode tags |
16:39:53 | Lear | no, I don't, actually. but I got something now, "Error accessing directory" splash, but no hang. |
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16:40:31 | Lear | (except on some test tracks and whatnot...) |
16:40:32 | mr_qno | Hello everyone, i would like to report a little bug with my H140. When you pause the playback of a music, then you browse the files, and you choose another file to play, the iRiver freezes and have to be reseted. |
16:40:40 | * | stripwax takes that as a no ;-) |
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16:40:53 | ryan_j | Lear: It doesn't really hang, but playback stops and the wps freezes |
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16:41:12 | Lear | but you can use stop to exit the wps? |
16:41:17 | leftright | thats exactly it Ryan_j |
16:41:52 | ryan_j | Yes, stop exits |
16:42:29 | stripwax | Would anyone be interested in a patch that momentarily shows the wps while running some other plugin? not quite figured out how to do that but I'd find it immensely useful so figured others might too? e.g. playing minesweeper while listening to music, and the track changes, and you want to find out what it is... |
16:42:42 | stripwax | (some global key combination) |
16:43:04 | stripwax | mr_qno wow, is that reproducible? which build of Rockbox? |
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16:48:12 | Lear | I think there was a commit related to that not too long ago... |
16:49:22 | mr_qno | stripwax : build 050721, and it's systematic. You pause the file the iRivier is playing, you choose another one -> the display is still working, but no sound at all |
16:49:51 | mr_qno | maybe my build is too old now ? |
16:50:04 | Lear | mr_qno: worth trying a newer one at least... |
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16:52:17 | stripwax | Reckon dirty rectangle (or even dirty row) would further improve battery life any? |
16:55:50 | mr_qno | Lear and Stripwax : Ok with the latest daily build, it works fine now. Sorry for the trouble :-/ |
16:56:20 | stripwax | mr_qno - no worries - good to have that information in case someone else has the same problem so we know it's been fixed! :-D |
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17:01:47 | mr_qno | well, i have another request ;-) . I think it would nice that when you start the browsing, it would be in the folder where there is the file which is currently played, you see what i mean ? For example, i have the resume on "on", so when when i start the iRiver, it resumes the latest file it played, but if i want to choose another one and start the browsing, i am in the root folder in the beginning, not in the folder where the last file which is played |
17:02:03 | stripwax | mr_qno - turn on "follow playlist" in the options! ;-) |
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17:02:48 | ]RowaN[ | would it be possible for a gameboy screen to display jpegs using more shades of grey than 3 in the same was that rockbox can on the iriver? |
17:03:41 | stripwax | yep |
17:05:15 | ]RowaN[ | wow, i wonder why no ones ever done for a demo or a commercial game titlescreen or something |
17:05:24 | ]RowaN[ | well, maybe they have but i havent seen |
17:11:57 | mr_qno | stripwax : thanks again ! Didn't know that it was an option, i should read the rockbox manual more often :-/ |
17:15:57 | OPP | do you guys know anthign about the h3xx port |
17:16:40 | leftright | status is unknown |
17:17:04 | OPP | what do you mean by that |
17:18:22 | leftright | developers are on holiday |
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17:36:35 | solex | My Iriver H120 just crashed: |
17:36:41 | solex | IO: AddrErr |
17:36:48 | solex | at 31022Da4 |
17:36:59 | stripwax | super . which version of rockbox? |
17:37:10 | solex | yesterday's build |
17:37:20 | solex | I was viewing the playlist and selected another track. |
17:37:33 | leftright | same error code I get |
17:37:45 | stripwax | is it reproducible everytime you select that track (e.g. is the track corrupted)? |
17:37:50 | solex | Nope. |
17:38:32 | solex | Had that a few times already (not sure about the exact error message, but always the same situation) |
17:38:43 | solex | File type doesn't seem to matter. |
17:38:47 | leftright | solex, go to the last file in the playlist, play, then try to skip to another |
17:39:16 | * | solex does as he's told |
17:39:34 | leftright | does the wps screen freeze ? |
17:39:54 | solex | No. |
17:40:26 | solex | Oh, but skipping to the last track again (when viewing playlist) makes it crash again. |
17:40:38 | solex | same error message. |
17:41:12 | leftright | sounds familiar :) |
17:42:05 | leftright | I have the same bug, and one of the Developers has managed to reproduce it as well |
17:42:08 | solex | leftright: I tried it again and now it crashes when skipping away from the last track. |
17:42:31 | solex | Should I be worried about the lit HD LED? |
17:42:37 | leftright | mine crashes when skipping forward |
17:42:46 | leftright | reset works ok |
17:42:56 | solex | It always looks as if it would eat my battery and hard disk. |
17:43:00 | solex | leftright: Yep. |
17:44:36 | solex | the cork plugger(?) of my swiss army knife works well for that :) |
17:45:01 | leftright | just press (side) resume button, same thing |
17:45:24 | solex | sorry, which button? |
17:45:42 | leftright | side play button |
17:48:17 | solex | Thanks. (dammit, now it doesn't wanna crash) |
17:48:57 | leftright | heh, sometimes it crashes, and other times it freezes the wps |
17:49:26 | solex | I think I remember that as well. |
17:53:16 | Lear | hm... I think I'm getting close to the problem; can reproduce it in the simulator, which helps a lot. :) |
17:53:33 | leftright | great |
17:53:42 | solex | w00t! |
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18:09:59 | ryan_j | Hmmm... 'Move to next folder' seems to work fine if you just select a file from the file browser instead of inserting it into the playlist. |
18:14:47 | ryan_j | Inserting into the playlist calls playlist_create with both dir and file as NULL. 'Move to next folder' doesn't work if dir == NULL. |
18:26:30 | ryan_j | Lear: Should it even move to a new folder in this case? Since the playlist was created by inserting individual songs, there really is no 'next folder' to move to. |
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18:28:59 | leftright | at the end of a playlist it could go back to file tree/last played ? |
18:29:11 | Lear | move to next folder is like "look for the next file when the playlist has ended"... |
18:29:48 | leftright | it gets confused in its current form |
18:31:10 | ryan_j | I've got a 'fix', but it may not be what you're looking for. |
18:31:33 | ryan_j | it also may not be the right way to fix it. |
18:31:41 | Lear | I'm also working on a fix... |
18:33:00 | Lear | first one for check_subdir_for_music, then probably one for playback.c, so that playback doesn't stop. |
18:34:27 | ryan_j | Ah... that makes sense. |
18:35:29 | ryan_j | Mine's in get_next_index, and it just returns -1 if next_folder is set and playlist->in_ram isn't (which is the case here). |
18:35:44 | ryan_j | Like I said, it might not be the 'right' fix though. |
18:37:29 | Lear | when is in_ram set? |
18:39:33 | ryan_j | a few places in playlist.c: empty_playlist, new_playlist, playlist_resume, etc. |
18:39:54 | ryan_j | But it's only set to true if dir is non-null |
18:41:52 | Lear | so, basically you're looking at a different case from me... :) |
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18:42:10 | ryan_j | Which one are you looking at then? |
18:42:17 | * | ryan_j is confused |
18:45:51 | Lear | where you press play on the last file in a folder, and then try to skip to next. that can fail for various reasons. |
18:46:16 | Lear | 1) if the "move to next folder" is on, and rb needs to back up to the root to locate the next song. |
18:46:35 | Lear | 2) there is no next song, in which case playback stops, but you're still in the wps. |
18:47:22 | ryan_j | Ah, I can see that. |
18:48:33 | ryan_j | I'll just test the case I was working on some more, then commmit if it works. |
18:48:49 | ryan_j | That way it won't break the build (like my last one :-( ) |
18:49:13 | ryan_j | s/like/unlike/ |
18:52:24 | Lear | a bit tricky, because if first calls playlist_check, which, since move to next is on, assumes there is a next track, so playback stops the codec. but playback_next doesn't advance the playlist index, so the play code thinks it still is playing the last track... |
18:52:41 | Lear | hm.. in this case, playback should stop, shouldn't it, and drop to the file tree?` |
18:54:12 | OPP | i cant wait for the h3xxx port |
18:54:15 | OPP | so excited |
18:54:17 | OPP | and anxious |
18:54:20 | OPP | and impatient |
18:55:01 | ryan_j | Yes |
18:55:05 | ryan_j | Which is what it does |
18:55:09 | ryan_j | With the fix |
18:55:46 | Lear | even in my case (where dir shouldn't be null)? |
18:56:42 | ryan_j | I don't know. My guess is no, since in that case in_ram should be true. I check both in_ram and next_folder. |
18:57:28 | stripwax | OPP hmm, impatience won't help! ;-) |
18:57:40 | OPP | i know! |
18:57:42 | OPP | but i mean |
18:57:54 | OPP | im impatient in that i just might buy a h120 |
18:57:57 | stripwax | hehe |
18:58:17 | OPP | even though i know the h3xx rb will be so much better |
18:58:20 | Lear | so, this will need a separate fix...and there are four calls to playlist_next, each of which can fail, but this isn't checked for... |
18:58:34 | ryan_j | Right. |
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19:00:13 | OPP | strip: what do you own |
19:02:00 | stripwax | 120 |
19:02:21 | OPP | ughh |
19:02:24 | stripwax | but i'll probably put a 30GB disk and a larger battery in at some point |
19:02:29 | OPP | lucky biatch |
19:02:34 | OPP | lovin rb |
19:02:44 | stripwax | not really - the hard drive is dying .. :-( |
19:02:55 | OPP | how so |
19:03:44 | stripwax | clicking and clanking and grinding and buzzing, it's on the way out |
19:03:52 | OPP | how old |
19:04:31 | stripwax | 18 months or so I think, so it should still be covered (I need to check) |
19:04:51 | OPP | wow |
19:04:53 | OPP | thats old\ |
19:05:30 | bagawk | I had one of the old archos players back in 2002 when rockbox was new :) |
19:06:14 | OPP | i had an archos |
19:06:18 | OPP | like 3 years ago |
19:06:21 | OPP | kbmm |
19:06:23 | OPP | jbmm* |
19:06:26 | OPP | not supported by RB |
19:06:32 | bagawk | Time to shutdown -t NOW |
19:06:35 | bagawk | see you |
19:06:40 | stripwax | anyone had any experience of removing the joystick button on iriver and replacing with some kind of pressure-sensitive switch? |
19:06:49 | OPP | haha nope |
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19:23:33 | Kupop | hi |
19:24:12 | Kupop | I'm using the iriver firmware and i just got the error "i0s:AddrErr at 31022FE0 |
19:24:33 | Kupop | and my iriver appears to have crashed |
19:25:19 | leftright | its being looked at as we speak by the developers |
19:26:17 | stripwax_ | press Play and it will restart |
19:26:30 | leftright | resume |
19:26:36 | stripwax_ | (play!) |
19:26:42 | leftright | heh |
19:27:23 | leftright | if its crashed then play wont reset it, but resume will |
19:27:52 | stripwax_ | iriver doesn't have a 'resume' button |
19:28:05 | leftright | bur RB does :) |
19:28:21 | leftright | joystick in = play |
19:28:28 | stripwax_ | joystick in = SELECT |
19:28:47 | leftright | that too |
19:29:13 | leftright | *shrugs* |
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19:33:44 | stripwax_ | Grrrrr..! Trillian is a shit irc client, keeps crashing |
19:37:27 | Slasheri | hehe, irssi doesn't crash too often |
19:37:35 | Slasheri | 20:37 Irssi uptime: 290d 22h 9m 27s |
19:37:37 | Slasheri | .) |
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19:40:22 | stripwax_ | Slasheri - shame the irssi download link for Windows seems broken :-( |
19:41:53 | Lear | slasheri: you aware that playlist_next() doesn't always succeed? |
19:42:26 | Slasheri | Hmm, i don't know if irssi works on windows. You should find a unix/linux machine where you could run it |
19:42:31 | Slasheri | Lear: Yes, but i will check that |
19:43:30 | stripwax_ | Slasheri - not practicable. My only 24x7 linux box is a 200MHz embedded ARM core ;-) |
19:43:38 | Slasheri | Lear: yep, playlist_check is called always before playlist_next |
19:43:45 | Slasheri | and if that fails, no playlist_next is called |
19:43:57 | Lear | And sometimes when the codec stops, the wps doesn't pick that up; not shure what the problem is really... |
19:44:24 | Slasheri | stripwax_: hehe, that should be able to run irssi too if you can compile software for that box ;) |
19:44:25 | Lear | slasheri: problem is, with "move to next folder" on, playlist_check returns true, but playlist_next can still fail... |
19:44:42 | stripwax_ | Slasheri - but I like my user interfaces to be colourful and full of icons unfortunately |
19:44:45 | Slasheri | Lear: do you have the wps stop with the latest cvs? |
19:45:38 | Lear | well, I do have the latest cvs as of today sometimes, plus some hacking from my side... |
19:45:48 | Slasheri | stripwax_: Hmm, interesting. Almost everybody who has said that, have found irssi much more practicable and easy to use than mirc for example |
19:46:39 | Lear | ah, no, not the very latest changes... |
19:46:42 | Slasheri | Lear: well, you have updated it during the last hour or something like that? |
19:46:44 | Slasheri | :D |
19:46:50 | Slasheri | you should try those |
19:47:10 | HCl | hello. |
19:47:13 | Slasheri | HCl :) |
19:47:13 | HCl | i use irssi |
19:47:14 | Lear | that removed stop_codec == true could at least fix some of my problems... |
19:47:18 | Slasheri | hehe, nice |
19:47:19 | stripwax_ | HCl on windows>? |
19:47:24 | HCl | yes |
19:47:27 | HCl | well. |
19:47:31 | HCl | i ssh to my server with putty |
19:47:37 | HCl | then use screen to run multiple irssis |
19:47:38 | HCl | +email |
19:47:39 | stripwax_ | HCl - so no then :-D |
19:47:41 | HCl | +command prompt |
19:47:42 | Slasheri | HCl: it's not really on windows ;) |
19:47:46 | HCl | i know :p |
19:49:09 | Kupop | oh man |
19:49:13 | Kupop | play isnt resetting |
19:49:18 | Kupop | reset isnt resetting |
19:49:22 | Slasheri | i have also experienced the new weird bug.. sometimes volume adjustment starts lagging really really much |
19:49:24 | Lear | interesting... With my "move to next folder" fix, it now loops on the last track... |
19:49:50 | Kupop | oh! my hold key was on |
19:49:55 | Kupop | phew |
19:50:35 | Kupop | i have to say that the filebrowser interface is such a huge improvement over the origional firmware |
19:50:36 | stripwax_ | Kupop - hehe! |
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19:51:27 | Kupop | how good does the gameboy emulator work? fullscreen/fullspeed? |
19:54:03 | thegeek_ | it's fullscreen |
19:54:06 | thegeek_ | but not fullspeed |
19:54:17 | thegeek_ | not that bad though |
19:54:34 | Lear | slasheri: changed so that if playlist_check returns false, or playlist_next(<forwards>) fails, it does the same thing. playback then stops and wps doesn't exit. |
19:55:40 | Slasheri | Lear: Hmm, playback stops but wps doesn't exit? |
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19:56:07 | Lear | correct, and the simulator (all test there at the moment) hogs the cpu... |
19:56:29 | Slasheri | oh.. how i could reproduce that? |
19:57:06 | Lear | hm... without my hacks? :) don't know really... |
19:57:15 | Slasheri | ah :D |
19:57:24 | Slasheri | so it should be fixed on the latest cvs |
19:57:37 | Kupop | and this coldfire stuff, is that about trying to get linux running? |
19:58:06 | Slasheri | Hmm? we are not going to port linux to any dap |
19:58:13 | Lear | but I just tested with the latest wps + some changes... |
19:58:22 | Kupop | what is it then? emulating a phone's cpu? |
19:58:25 | HCl | ? |
19:58:28 | HCl | we're not emulating anyways. |
19:58:30 | HCl | anything |
19:58:33 | Lear | anyway, try playing the last track in a folder (with move to next off) and see what happens... |
19:58:56 | stripwax_ | Kupop - er, huh? coldfire is the name of the processor inside the iriver! |
19:59:08 | Kupop | oh right |
19:59:10 | stripwax_ | Kupop - which 'stuff' are you referring to? |
19:59:15 | Slasheri | Kupop: I don't exactly understand what you mean but rockbox is a completely different operating system |
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19:59:26 | Kupop | i was reading the website and couldnt work out what coldfire was |
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20:01:04 | stripwax_ | what made you think it was a phone?! |
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20:02:16 | Lear | slasheri: reverted my playback changes. with "move to next folder" off, I played the last track in the folder. when the track finished, wps did not exit. |
20:02:26 | Kupop | its made by motorola |
20:02:37 | Kupop | who i only know for making phones |
20:02:40 | Slasheri | interesting, i will try that |
20:02:43 | Kupop | but it appears they make computer chips too |
20:02:54 | stripwax_ | Kupop - ahhh, right. yeah, motorola have been making computer chips for over 25 years...! |
20:02:59 | stripwax_ | Kupop - remember the Amiga? |
20:04:08 | Kupop | no, i'm too young for that |
20:04:09 | Kupop | :) |
20:04:46 | Kupop | rockboy isnt on the main site anymore, can someone direct me to it or is it a hush hush subject now? |
20:04:58 | Lear | slahseri: since I haven't yet come to grips with how the audio/codec threads interacts, and how the wps is informed about playback stop, I think I leave that bug for now... :) |
20:05:44 | HCl | its not a hush hush subject |
20:05:47 | HCl | its in the wiki |
20:05:51 | HCl | under PluginRockboy |
20:06:00 | HCl | i should make some asm optimizations |
20:06:12 | HCl | but first i got my new harry snotter book |
20:07:05 | stripwax_ | HCl - had a chance to look at my sokoban changes yet ? ;-) |
20:07:21 | stripwax_ | (or anyone else for that matter..) |
20:08:09 | HCl | no, but i have them downloaded |
20:08:10 | HCl | sorry |
20:08:44 | stripwax_ | HCl no worries, thanks! |
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20:13:15 | Lear | now I _really_ gotta get something to eat... :) |
20:15:53 | Slasheri | Lear: i found the problem |
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20:19:23 | Lear | goodie! |
20:19:46 | Slasheri | i hope fixing it doesn't introduce new problems |
20:21:07 | * | Lear snickers >:) |
20:25:36 | Slasheri | Lear: please try it now :) |
20:26:36 | leftright | its like playing Sudoku, one wrong number and the whole puzzle is screwed |
20:26:44 | Slasheri | yep :D |
20:29:44 | Lear | hm... no difference I could see. I'll try a full rebuild as well... |
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20:37:20 | Slasheri | Lear: oh, i had the skip to next folder enabled.. so at least it's not totally broekn |
20:38:32 | Lear | nope, still same problem; it logs that "No more tracks" message, and then nothing more happens... |
20:39:05 | Slasheri | hmm, in fact it works for me even if i disabled the skip to next folder.. |
20:39:18 | Slasheri | are you sure you run cvs update? |
20:39:40 | Lear | yes, did that after your commit, saw that the file was patched.. |
20:39:47 | Slasheri | hmm :/ |
20:40:09 | Lear | that audio_play queueing is gone... |
20:41:37 | Slasheri | btw, my last fix was not correct.. |
20:41:46 | Slasheri | maybe it should be reverted back |
20:42:39 | Slasheri | yes it should.. i will do the correct fix now |
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20:47:16 | Slasheri | Lear: fixed |
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20:58:22 | preglow | hi |
20:59:59 | Lear | Still no difference (and playback.c was updated)... |
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21:01:45 | preglow | slasheri: i dont know how wise i think it is to have a global emac init function. it should at least take parameters if it is to be global, like rounding and saturation mode |
21:11:05 | Slasheri | preglow: oh, that's something i haven't though at all.. |
21:11:36 | Slasheri | yes, it certainly might need some parameters if it's global |
21:13:44 | preglow | agreed, saturation and rounding should at least be configurable |
21:14:01 | preglow | cant fix it myself currently :/ |
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21:46:31 | Lear | Hm... After last updates, it now under certain circumstances enters an endless loop, trying to buffer tracks, but failing... |
21:48:52 | Slasheri | hmm, how do you do that? |
21:50:33 | leftright | Slasheri: is ryans latest fix for the same thing you are wirking on |
21:50:39 | ryan_j | No |
21:50:47 | leftright | thanks |
21:51:02 | ryan_j | Not specifically the same thing. |
21:51:20 | ryan_j | But you might want to try it anyway |
21:51:30 | leftright | on it :) |
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22:21:04 | Lear | I have a folder with three files; if I play the last file in the folder, playback stops (but wps doesm |
22:21:08 | Lear | n't exit. |
22:21:32 | Lear | If I select the second file, then soon skip to the last, I get a loop with logfs about buffering tracks |
22:21:53 | Lear | when the last tracks ends. |
22:22:54 | Lear | the messages alters between "buffering track n/2" and end-of-playlist. n cycles from zero to twenty-something, afaict. |
22:27:45 | Slasheri | Lear: Hmm, it works for me.. :/ |
22:27:49 | Slasheri | trying that loop thing now |
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22:51:59 | amiconn | g'evening |
22:52:07 | Bagder | hi ho |
22:52:48 | amiconn | [-AIR-]: Already tried the improved mandelbrot.rock? ;-) |
22:53:00 | [-AIR-] | not yet. eager to do so :) |
22:53:10 | [-AIR-] | infact...ill do it rite away |
22:53:11 | [-AIR-] | :d |
22:53:15 | [-AIR-] | live... |
22:53:30 | [-AIR-] | ok. removing mouse to make way for iriver...switching to touchpad |
22:53:48 | [-AIR-] | putting iriver in |
22:53:50 | [-AIR-] | loading |
22:54:02 | Lear | with move to next folder off, the buffering loop, with it on, it loops the last track (and plays it). |
22:54:15 | Lear | I'm testing this in the simulator, in case it makes a difference :) |
22:55:34 | amiconn | [-AIR-]: On iriver you will clearly notice when it switches to 64bit precision (at the 16th zoom-in if you don't zoom out in between |
22:55:36 | amiconn | ) |
22:55:45 | [-AIR-] | ok kewl |
22:55:50 | Lear | he, just saw that switch... |
22:55:52 | [-AIR-] | thanks amiconn :) |
22:56:05 | [-AIR-] | i can't wait |
22:56:06 | [-AIR-] | :) |
22:56:21 | amiconn | On archos it's way less noticeable, calculation time approximately doubles there |
22:57:49 | amiconn | On iriver it's way more, roughly a factor of 10 |
22:58:20 | Lear | sounds like it could be faster then... :) |
22:58:25 | amiconn | No |
22:59:23 | amiconn | The 64bit routine for coldfire (provided by gcc) is well optimised (unless the SH1 routine), but the 32bit multiplication is a single instruction on the coldfire |
22:59:53 | amiconn | That explains the huge difference. On archos, both 32bit and 64bit multiplications are subroutines |
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23:00:12 | Lear | I see... |
23:00:35 | amiconn | ...because the SH1 can only do a 16*16 -> 32bit multiply in a single instruction |
23:01:54 | amiconn | I think I should submit my SH1 64bit multiply to the gcc team. Anyone having knowledge how to do this? |
23:02:14 | [-AIR-] | OMFG. its incredible!!! |
23:02:21 | [-AIR-] | WAHOOOOOOOOOO |
23:02:22 | Bagder | linus might, at least his binutils patches have gone through |
23:02:30 | [-AIR-] | satisfyingly slow :D:D |
23:02:40 | [-AIR-] | and panning...GENIOUS |
23:02:46 | amiconn | :) |
23:03:09 | [-AIR-] | wow. what would u guys do without me hey :D:D |
23:03:23 | amiconn | I do have another optimisation in mind, and would like to hear opinions |
23:03:27 | [-AIR-] | YESYES |
23:03:55 | [-AIR-] | type quickly :):D |
23:04:07 | amiconn | I think it should be possible to end the current calculation prematurely with a keypress |
23:04:18 | [-AIR-] | yer. good idea |
23:04:33 | amiconn | ...so that if you want to zoom in multiple times, you won't have to wait every time |
23:04:36 | [-AIR-] | which key tho? stop? |
23:04:41 | [-AIR-] | short press "stop" ? |
23:04:46 | amiconn | No special key |
23:04:56 | [-AIR-] | o |
23:05:14 | [-AIR-] | it does get very slow...but all the better :) |
23:05:19 | amiconn | Just if you want to zoom in, zoom out, or reset to default, it should interrupt the current calculation |
23:05:33 | amiconn | ...and do the requested operation instead |
23:05:36 | [-AIR-] | yer good think |
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23:05:42 | [-AIR-] | yes. |
23:05:49 | amiconn | For panning it makes no sense, because it's incremental anyway |
23:05:56 | amiconn | (now!) |
23:06:09 | Cassandra | Does the new playlist code really change the playlist on disk, or just in memory? |
23:06:12 | [-AIR-] | hey look at this: http://www.mrdawes.com/downloads/fractal.zip .... my friend made it |
23:07:33 | Bagder | I'm not sure |
23:07:46 | Bagder | and haven' |
23:07:53 | Bagder | t had time to check code yet |
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23:08:22 | Bagder | but if it is memory-only, I don't mind this approach |
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23:10:49 | Cassandra | *nods* I've not checked either. Seemed like that would be the logical way to do it though. |
23:11:20 | Bagder | yes, it makes sense |
23:12:03 | * | Lear is wondering what they are talking about... |
23:12:42 | Bagder | my and Slasheri's discussion on the mailing list |
23:12:47 | Cassandra | http://uploads.ungrounded.net/239000/239712_the_Maxwell_Edison_Story.s.swf - Odd flash animation of "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" by the Beatles. |
23:13:27 | Cassandra | (which is a pretty odd song, really) |
23:15:21 | amiconn | Lear: regarding the 64bit multiplication routine for coldfire: I tried using the emac (of course in integer mode), and got about the same speed as gcc's "__muldi3" |
23:16:10 | amiconn | The bad thing about the emac is that it can only do 16*16->32bit and 32*32->40bit |
23:16:38 | amiconn | It would have been useful if it would allow 32*32->48bit at least |
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23:19:58 | [-AIR-] | shit. i have a problem. trying to update bootloader and cannot get into iriver firmware. i used H3MOD after patching the firmware...correct...and now it just freezes on the boot screen after rec+play...emergency recovery? |
23:20:56 | HCl | i'd say chkdisk it. |
23:21:01 | [-AIR-] | and i when i press ANY button in the WPS it freezes. |
23:21:03 | [-AIR-] | ok |
23:21:20 | HCl | this is why we have an usb mode in the bootloader |
23:21:27 | [-AIR-] | yer :) |
23:21:32 | [-AIR-] | THANK YOU :D |
23:21:37 | thegeek_ | Cassandra: that is the best flash animation I have ever seen;) |
23:22:19 | [-AIR-] | HCl. no errors. |
23:22:27 | [-AIR-] | i can boot into rockbox. |
23:22:30 | [-AIR-] | but not iriver firmware. |
23:22:46 | HCl | hrm. |
23:22:49 | HCl | well |
23:22:54 | [-AIR-] | i knew that h3mod woz bad idea. |
23:23:00 | HCl | if there are no errors your iriver firmware is probably screwed up... |
23:23:07 | [-AIR-] | rite. |
23:23:18 | HCl | you can attempt to format it and see if that helps |
23:23:29 | HCl | the bootloader usb will still allow you to put rockbox back on on it... |
23:23:37 | [-AIR-] | is there no way to update firmware outside of iriver firmware? |
23:23:42 | [-AIR-] | ok ill try that. |
23:23:44 | HCl | if that doesn't help i'm afraid you'll have to wait till linus codes an iriverflash plugin |
23:23:49 | [-AIR-] | rite. |
23:24:05 | Cassandra | thegeek_: Yes, it's strangely appealing, isn't it? |
23:24:06 | [-AIR-] | yer we need that. |
23:24:24 | thegeek_ | oh yes |
23:24:28 | thegeek_ | oh yes indeed |
23:24:29 | [-AIR-] | so if i format. the disk is empty but usb mode will work? |
23:24:31 | thegeek_ | ;) |
23:24:34 | [-AIR-] | HCl ? |
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23:25:49 | [-AIR-] | HCl ? |
23:25:56 | thegeek_ | yes |
23:26:21 | thegeek_ | as long as you are talking about a bootloader above version 1 or so |
23:26:35 | [-AIR-] | yer. 4 |
23:26:42 | HCl | wait what |
23:26:43 | [-AIR-] | hum |
23:26:44 | HCl | yes |
23:26:46 | HCl | indeed |
23:26:46 | [-AIR-] | ok. |
23:26:49 | HCl | wait |
23:26:49 | [-AIR-] | o |
23:26:52 | HCl | what thegeek_ sai |
23:26:53 | HCl | d |
23:26:54 | HCl | wait |
23:26:56 | HCl | first check |
23:26:59 | HCl | if your bootloader has usb |
23:27:02 | thegeek_ | I think it was ver2 that had bootloader usb |
23:27:06 | HCl | plug usb in |
23:27:09 | thegeek_ | yeah |
23:27:09 | HCl | and turn your iriver onn |
23:27:10 | [-AIR-] | have u got a copy of fwpatcher.exe for version 4? |
23:27:15 | HCl | and see if it says bootloader usb mode |
23:27:15 | [-AIR-] | kk |
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23:27:46 | [-AIR-] | yer. bootloader usb mode |
23:27:49 | [-AIR-] | :) |
23:28:36 | [-AIR-] | have u got a copy of fwpatcher.exe for version 4? |
23:28:37 | Cassandra | I don't think anyone removed boot loader USB mode. |
23:28:51 | [-AIR-] | anyone got a copy of fwpatcher.exe for version 4? |
23:29:25 | BBub | no, the bootloader usb mode is still there in v5 |
23:29:30 | BBub | i am using it atm ;) |
23:30:01 | [-AIR-] | rite. |
23:30:09 | Bagder | you can get v4 gtom the wiki |
23:30:10 | [-AIR-] | its just it booted b. |
23:30:12 | Bagder | from |
23:30:19 | [-AIR-] | can i ? |
23:30:20 | [-AIR-] | where/ |
23:30:28 | leftright | with latest build, if you skip forward through the tracks Very quickly, then the wps secreen hangs |
23:30:43 | leftright | the tracks in playlist that is |
23:30:50 | Bagder | [-AIR-]: click the 'action' link for the file, and you'll get a full history of all versions of it |
23:30:56 | [-AIR-] | kewlkew |
23:32:10 | leftright | Slasheri: it still hangs if you skip tracks quicly in playlist |
23:32:36 | [-AIR-] | kewl tnx Badger. |
23:33:48 | [-AIR-] | dammit |
23:33:50 | [-AIR-] | im gonna format |
23:34:48 | [-AIR-] | wait a second. windows cannot format fat32 drives... |
23:35:17 | [-AIR-] | any suggestions/ |
23:35:36 | HCl | it can't? |
23:35:45 | Bagder | use "swissknife" |
23:36:43 | [-AIR-] | kewl tnx Badger |
23:36:44 | Bagder | or a sensible OS ;-) |
23:36:49 | [-AIR-] | :) |
23:37:01 | [-AIR-] | i could boot into linux but carnt b arsed :) |
23:39:02 | [-AIR-] | err am i sure i want to delete this partition...Badger? |
23:39:11 | [-AIR-] | yes. |
23:39:12 | [-AIR-] | yes i am |
23:39:14 | [-AIR-] | don worry |
23:40:09 | [-AIR-] | btw.my custom wps is in the final at misticriver :) |
23:40:32 | [-AIR-] | its in the rockbox galleryu |
23:40:37 | [-AIR-] | sorry. |
23:42:02 | [-AIR-] | is the iriverflash plugin hard to do? |
23:42:16 | [-AIR-] | why can only linus do it?...bcoz he's a bit of a legend? |
23:48:18 | Bagder | it isn't only linus who can do it |
23:48:38 | Bagder | but fiddiling with flash programming requires means to restore a bad flash |
23:48:56 | [-AIR-] | rite. and only he can do that? |
23:49:07 | Bagder | which takes hardware that the Rockbox project has bought one version of, that Linus has at his house |
23:49:19 | [-AIR-] | gotcha |
23:49:30 | [-AIR-] | so doesn't everyone have an iriver who are contributing to the port? |
23:49:41 | Bagder | I guess |
23:49:48 | [-AIR-] | k |
23:49:55 | [-AIR-] | dam this is taking a while |
23:50:06 | [-AIR-] | any idea how long the format will take im tired :O |
23:50:08 | Bagder | apart for the changes that are platform agnostic of course |
23:50:26 | Bagder | I've never formatted my disk |
23:50:30 | Bagder | disks |
23:50:37 | [-AIR-] | kk |
23:50:37 | solex_ | Is there any progress on recordng with the Iriver H1x0? |
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23:51:44 | Bagder | I don't know |
23:52:25 | solex_ | It's the only reason for me to boot the original firmware... |
23:54:09 | [-AIR-] | your lucky. you CAN boot the original firmware :). btw. u sure you can't be tempted to change playback speed from thyme to thyme ? |
23:54:12 | [-AIR-] | :P |
23:54:29 | solex_ | Ummm... |
23:54:37 | solex_ | no! |
23:54:37 | leftright | do you lisp |
23:54:49 | leftright | thyme, thyme |
23:55:06 | solex_ | maybe he does perl! |
23:55:08 | * | solex_ coughs |
23:58:14 | Cassandra | The word's pronounced like "time" in English. It's the name of a herb, however. |
23:58:37 | Bagder | but a good herb it is! ;-) |