| 00:00:17 | Bagder | :-) |
| 00:00:50 | stripwax_ | question - are any of rockbox's settings stored in the eeprom yet? (if not is that because there's no eeprom driver for iriver yet?) |
| 00:01:26 | Bagder | I don't think we have any driver for the eeprom |
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| 00:01:40 | stripwax_ | Bagder - ok thx |
| 00:02:43 | stripwax_ | Bagder - while I'm still online - do you think adding dirty rectangle support (or even just dirty row support) to lcd_update would be worthwhile at all? |
| 00:03:14 | Bagder | you mean for lcd_update_rect() ? |
| 00:03:37 | Bagder | or what do you mean with dirty? |
| 00:03:44 | stripwax_ | no, I mean for lcd_update. or, equivalently, I guess we could rewrite a bunch of plugins to call lcd_update_rect because they currently don't? |
| 00:04:28 | stripwax_ | dirty == modified. only output lcd data for changes rather than the entire display each time. should reduce lcd_update time drastically, I would think |
| 00:04:49 | Bagder | ok, only updating deltas |
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| 00:05:05 | Bagder | well, it would be interesting to test if nothing else |
| 00:05:21 | stripwax_ | well, not deltas obviously. we'd have to send the entire bytes, not differences. but only for the rectangles that have changed... |
| 00:05:34 | Bagder | true, modified bytes |
| 00:05:45 | Bagder | we do something similar in the x11 sim display code |
| 00:06:08 | Bagder | hi LinusN |
| 00:06:09 | stripwax_ | really? weird, why is that |
| 00:06:21 | LinusN | hi |
| 00:06:25 | Bagder | stripwax_: just to speed up the displaying for x11 |
| 00:06:44 | stripwax_ | the x11 host would be faster than the iriver I'd have thought ;-) |
| 00:07:06 | Bagder | well, first x11 is a slow technology then we output rectangles for each pixel |
| 00:07:25 | LinusN | and some of us run the x11 over a network |
| 00:07:36 | Bagder | yes, I use that very often too |
| 00:07:41 | amiconn | stripwax_: I don't think the delta-checking will be worth the effort, at least not on iriver. We would need a second buffer to compare to, and the transfer isn't that slow |
| 00:07:57 | stripwax_ | amiconn - no: just whether the row has been modified (like I said ...) |
| 00:08:15 | LinusN | i don't think it's worth the effort |
| 00:08:28 | stripwax_ | obviously don't store two buffers. just store an additional bit per row (modified, or not). or a pair of bytes (start col, end col) for each row |
| 00:08:39 | amiconn | However, you're right that we could use lcd_update_rect() instead of lcd_update() especially in places where updates occur often |
| 00:08:57 | Bagder | that might probably be a more worthwhile effort |
| 00:08:57 | stripwax_ | LinusN - why not? |
| 00:09:15 | LinusN | because the lcd update is pretty fast as it is |
| 00:09:22 | stripwax_ | amiconn - multiple calls to lcd_update_rect would be less efficient than one call to lcd_update that takes care of its own housekeeping, surely? |
| 00:10:01 | amiconn | Agreed if the part to update isn't constant |
| 00:10:03 | stripwax_ | LinusN - true, I guess it is now that the cycle time is reduced. no point making it faster still? |
| 00:10:09 | Bagder | well, lcd_update_rect() would have the same logic of course |
| 00:10:22 | Bagder | if that would be made |
| 00:10:46 | amiconn | However, I think an lcd_update() to does sophisticated checks what to update and what not might end up slower than the current method |
| 00:10:52 | LinusN | stripwax_: when would the "dirty" information be updated? |
| 00:11:09 | stripwax_ | LinusN - when one of the other lcd_xxx fns is called, I would have thought |
| 00:11:13 | amiconn | Plus, all drawing functions would have to properly mark the dirty rows, hence they would get slower too |
| 00:11:26 | Bagder | yes, I doubt we can gain very much on it |
| 00:11:28 | stripwax_ | amiconn - how slow is setting one flag? |
| 00:11:32 | LinusN | stripwax_: that would make each lcd_xxx call slower |
| 00:11:47 | amiconn | It's not one flag, but at least one flag per row with your suggestion |
| 00:12:13 | amiconn | ...and *all* drawing functions would need to calculate which of these flags to set |
| 00:12:18 | stripwax_ | I guess apps should just be rewritten to use lcd_update_rect then |
| 00:12:37 | amiconn | ...and I mean *all* functions, not only those within the core |
| 00:12:53 | stripwax_ | amiconn - I thought only core fns had access to the lcd framebufefr? |
| 00:12:56 | stripwax_ | buffer |
| 00:13:05 | amiconn | Rockbox doesn't forbid that e.g. a plugin writes directly to the frame buffer |
| 00:13:21 | * | stripwax_ wasn't aware that that was possible ... ack.. |
| 00:13:29 | amiconn | Rockboy does that, as its main method... |
| 00:13:47 | Bagder | right, so the x11 delta way would be the only really possible way |
| 00:14:02 | Bagder | but not as fast |
| 00:14:12 | stripwax_ | delta? |
| 00:14:23 | amiconn | There are several others; in fact my api suggestion includes that functions not needed in the core but nice-to-have for plugins should be part of the plugin library |
| 00:14:26 | Bagder | the x11 sim keeps a copy of the framebuffer |
| 00:14:35 | Bagder | to compare changes against |
| 00:15:15 | stripwax_ | Bagder - ok (but again that's not really delta) |
| 00:15:34 | amiconn | The first function of this kind (xlcd_filltriangle()) however does not access the framebuffer, it does in turn use lcd_vline() for drawing |
| 00:15:48 | Bagder | delta as in meaning difference |
| 00:16:40 | amiconn | Scrolling would be another such function, and in fact the oscilloscope plugin uses a custom scroll routine, running in an isr |
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| 00:17:40 | stripwax_ | amiconn makes sense. i sense another patch to sokoban coming along ... ;-) |
| 00:18:07 | amiconn | Hmm, was it you who did the load-multiple-levels patch? |
| 00:18:16 | stripwax_ | yes |
| 00:18:26 | Bagder | we should commit that afaics |
| 00:18:30 | stripwax_ | we should |
| 00:18:44 | amiconn | I have a suggestion for this. Iirc this loads a fixed amount of levels if there is enough ram for this fixed amount? |
| 00:19:08 | stripwax_ | That's what the patch does, yes. |
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| 00:19:15 | amiconn | I would rather want it to grab the remaining plugin ram, then cache as many levels as fit. |
| 00:19:24 | stripwax_ | I haven't made any attempt to size the number of levels |
| 00:19:36 | stripwax_ | amiconn - nice idea. I wouldn't have known how to do that |
| 00:20:37 | stripwax_ | amiconn - hmm, does oscilloscope work on iriver? |
| 00:20:46 | amiconn | No, not yet |
| 00:21:27 | amiconn | I didn't check whether the new level calculation is usable from a plugin |
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| 00:21:50 | amiconn | That would allow to port & enable oscillograph, oscilloscope and vumeter |
| 00:21:57 | stripwax_ | yep. |
| 00:22:14 | stripwax_ | great stuff. gnight all! |
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| 00:22:30 | amiconn | LinusN: I had an idea how to measure the time the PLL needs to relock |
| 00:25:37 | LinusN | shoot |
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| 00:27:35 | amiconn | LinusN: check http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20050729.txt starting at 09:40 |
| 00:29:15 | LinusN | nice idea, but why would we want to measure it? |
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| 00:31:59 | amiconn | We won't need it for normal operation, but I think there are at least two cases where it might be useful |
| 00:32:26 | amiconn | (1) As an experiment, to see how long a typical relock will take. The datasheet only mentions the worst case |
| 00:32:50 | LinusN | 3ms according to my logic analyzer measurements |
| 00:34:04 | amiconn | (2) Perhaps this allows to implement a user timer that keeps precision acroos frequency changes -> would remove the need to keep the cpu boosted in the grayscale lib |
| 00:35:57 | amiconn | I don't think this would help for backlight dimming though, because the timer periods required there are really short (down to 50µs) |
| 00:36:17 | LinusN | too bad the coldfire has so few timers |
| 00:37:26 | amiconn | In fact I think about using the timer1 only, both as the timer itself in normal operation, and for correction during the frequency change |
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| 00:38:14 | LinusN | should work |
| 00:38:19 | amiconn | One would then not register the timer in terms of cpu cycles on a variable-frequency platform, but in terms of a fixed time base (e.g. µs) |
| 00:38:26 | Alex-- | Um, hi, I've been away for a long time (~2-3 months) and lost track of how rockbox is doing on the iRiver. I see it can now run, so that's a big step forward ;) Is it possible to record audio yet? |
| 00:38:52 | LinusN | yes, as a debug option |
| 00:39:31 | Alex-- | Ah, yeah, i see it, cheers. Does it not work properly then, or just not fully tested? |
| 00:39:42 | amiconn | LinusN: I can see one potential problem though. What if the requested timer period expires *during* the relock? |
| 00:39:43 | Alex-- | I want to record a 5 hour radio show in 20 mins ;) |
| 00:40:31 | LinusN | Alex−−: it only records wav, with no file splitting |
| 00:41:00 | * | amiconn just had an idea |
| 00:41:03 | Alex-- | not a problem, I've got a 40gb hdd ;) |
| 00:41:24 | LinusN | yes, but the maximum reliable file size is 2gb |
| 00:41:33 | Alex-- | Ah, yeah, true. |
| 00:41:50 | Alex-- | Any idea what happens if I try to record over that? |
| 00:41:57 | LinusN | boom? |
| 00:42:02 | Alex-- | bugger ;) |
| 00:42:04 | amiconn | It should be simple, *if* all of base frequency, normal frequency and max frequency have suitable ratios to each other |
| 00:42:24 | amiconn | LinusN: Do you know whether that is the case? |
| 00:42:39 | amiconn | If so, we could just change the prescaler, and are set |
| 00:42:57 | amiconn | No need to fiddle with the counter itself |
| 00:43:00 | LinusN | i chose the frequencies pretty much at random |
| 00:43:06 | amiconn | Hmm :/ |
| 00:43:59 | amiconn | I would like to see both the normal frequency and the max frequency to be an integer multiple of the base frequency, or at least of an integer part of it |
| 00:44:16 | LinusN | then change them |
| 00:45:13 | amiconn | Sufficient condition: Both numerator and denominator of the ratio <= 256 |
| 00:46:41 | Stryke` | i wonder if anyone else would like an option to make the replaygain mode tied to shuffle (track gain when shuffle is on, album when shuffle is off) |
| 00:48:01 | leftright | playlist only sounds like a good idea |
| 00:48:53 | Cassandra | Stryke: I'd considered implementing that too. |
| 00:49:11 | amiconn | LinusN: It would work with th ecurrent values. base : normal : max ~ 8 : 34 : 85 |
| 00:49:19 | Cassandra | Small problem. It breaks down if you shuffle an album. |
| 00:50:11 | Stryke` | do you think anyone would listen to a single album on shuffle and want original volume differences preserved? |
| 00:51:11 | LinusN | amiconn: nice |
| 00:51:56 | Lear | I leave it at album mode even when shuffling. Though I see a point in not doing so... |
| 00:51:58 | amiconn | LinusN: What do you think: The timer init should set the prescaler to the correct value of these 3. Then set_cpu_frequency would set the prescaler to 8 immediately after setting the pll to bypass, then wait for the relock, then set the prescaler to 34 or 85 respectively |
| 00:52:11 | Stryke` | Lear: as do i, currently |
| 00:52:34 | amiconn | Is there a way to find the current frequency status, i.e base/normal/max ? |
| 00:52:48 | leftright | but a mix in the playlist even unshuffled I use track with |
| 00:54:14 | amiconn | I think it would be nice to adjust the frequencies a bit for less 'odd' ratios though. I would prefer to have the factor for base == 1, but I don't know whether 11x base would be too high for stable operation |
| 00:54:28 | leftright | hmm, select shuffle and it automatically goes to track RG, it does sound good, (no pun intended) |
| 00:54:38 | amiconn | (11x base == 124.185.600 Hz) |
| 00:55:00 | LinusN | should be ok, methinks |
| 00:55:18 | * | ]RowaN[ wakes up with his face in a packet of haribo.. and mumbles "god bless you rockbox guys" |
| 00:55:18 | amiconn | normal would the be 4x base, a little lower than now: 45.158.400 Hz |
| 00:55:31 | LinusN | good |
| 00:57:32 | amiconn | Then the timer registration will get really simple: Just select it in terms of the base frequency... |
| 00:58:05 | amiconn | This mechanism could also work for the tick interrupt |
| 00:58:20 | amiconn | s/tick interrupt/tick timer/ |
| 00:58:30 | LinusN | yeah |
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| 01:00:18 | austriancoder | hi all |
| 01:00:25 | Moos | Lear: Hi, did you think to implement thing like preamp for RG? |
| 01:00:32 | Moos | Hello ac |
| 01:00:44 | * | LinusN goes to bed |
| 01:00:52 | Moos | good night |
| 01:00:52 | Lear | It has been mentioned, but it hasn't been a priority for me yet... |
| 01:00:58 | LinusN | cu some other day |
| 01:01:02 | Bagder | night LinusN |
| 01:01:03 | Lear | Should be fairly easy though. So maybe some day... :) |
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| 01:01:17 | Moos | a ok |
| 01:01:26 | Stryke` | what sense does a preamp make when you can just increase the volume (pardon my ignorance) |
| 01:01:59 | Moos | i'm an ignorant too :D |
| 01:02:06 | Stryke` | the higher volumes become unreachable? |
| 01:02:31 | Moos | i leave the "specialist" for the explication :) |
| 01:09:31 | Lear | He, I'm not sure I know either. One reason could be that ReplayGain often lowers the volume... |
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| 01:13:13 | Moos | Stryke: check the graphs sorry is it in french :) : http://forum.hardware.fr/hardwarefr/VideoSon/ReplayGain-Limiter-cauchemar-sonore-pour-test-51453-1.htm |
| 01:16:33 | Moos | Oopss: http://forum.hardware.fr/hardwarefr/VideoSon/ReplayGain-Limiter-cauchemar-sonore-pour-test-sujet-51453-1.htm |
| 01:18:12 | leftright | http://replaygain.hydrogenaudio.org/player_preamp.html |
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| 08:39:20 | Slasheri | Hmm, is there a way to take a cvs diff for whole repository between two different dates? |
| 08:40:19 | ze | pertty sure there is, rtfm |
| 08:41:15 | ashridah | Slasheri: if there's a pseudo module that checks out several modules, maybe? |
| 08:44:27 | Slasheri | Hmm, cvs diff -D date1 -D date2 should do that :) |
| 08:46:18 | Slasheri | yes, cvs diff -N -D 20050725 -D 20050726 works well |
| 08:47:38 | * | ashridah notes that command line options are the single most annoying thing to parse when you're not allowed to use getopt/getopt_long :( |
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| 09:58:01 | [-AIR-] | https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=439121&aid=1245288&group_id=44306 .... been accepted :) |
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| 10:25:15 | austriancoder | morning |
| 10:35:07 | [-AIR-] | hey |
| 10:35:20 | [-AIR-] | austriancoder where u live? |
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| 10:38:31 | ashridah | hmm. austrian....coder... i wonder. :) |
| 10:40:41 | [-AIR-] | lol |
| 10:40:47 | [-AIR-] | hey ashridah |
| 10:40:49 | [-AIR-] | errr |
| 10:40:51 | [-AIR-] | rite |
| 10:40:52 | [-AIR-] | problem |
| 10:41:03 | [-AIR-] | i just formatted the drive |
| 10:41:06 | [-AIR-] | my iriver |
| 10:41:27 | [-AIR-] | and i just disconnected it from the pc i got some nasty crunch sound as the iriver booted into iriver firmware |
| 10:41:30 | austriancoder | hi |
| 10:41:38 | [-AIR-] | im trying to update the bootloader |
| 10:42:44 | Coldtoast | [-AIR-]: were you using bootloader USB mode? |
| 10:42:51 | [-AIR-] | yup. |
| 10:43:03 | Coldtoast | ok. then you disconnected too early |
| 10:43:16 | [-AIR-] | ok. |
| 10:43:17 | Coldtoast | wait a little bit before disconnecting. you'll head the head move |
| 10:43:22 | [-AIR-] | here's the story |
| 10:43:30 | Coldtoast | wait til you hear that little noise then disconnect |
| 10:43:42 | [-AIR-] | im now have the version 5 patched firmware on the drive and im in the iriver firmware |
| 10:44:07 | [-AIR-] | so i update the firmware now. BUT. there are no rockbox files on the drive, is that ok? |
| 10:44:16 | Coldtoast | yep |
| 10:44:19 | [-AIR-] | kk |
| 10:44:24 | Coldtoast | rockbox will fail and default to the iriver firmware |
| 10:44:44 | [-AIR-] | rite gotcha. that's what happened last time. |
| 10:44:49 | [-AIR-] | im now firmware upgrading |
| 10:44:57 | [-AIR-] | this mite just work |
| 10:45:05 | * | [-AIR-] sighs and sigh of great relief |
| 10:45:09 | Coldtoast | don't see why it wouldn't |
| 10:45:18 | * | [-AIR-] thanks the rockbox crew for this resource |
| 10:45:28 | [-AIR-] | OMFG |
| 10:45:30 | [-AIR-] | this is AWESOME |
| 10:45:32 | [-AIR-] | it worked |
| 10:45:35 | [-AIR-] | YEASSSSSSSSSS |
| 10:45:35 | Coldtoast | btw, the crunch you heard is what happens if you disconnect and the head does an emergency park |
| 10:45:50 | [-AIR-] | ok. |
| 10:45:53 | [-AIR-] | is that bad for the drive? |
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| 10:46:14 | Coldtoast | so just give it a bit of time before disconnecting. You'll hear the head move. then disconnect |
| 10:46:27 | Coldtoast | probably not the best thing for it |
| 10:46:35 | [-AIR-] | kk |
| 10:46:45 | [-AIR-] | ok i've put todays build omn |
| 10:47:07 | [-AIR-] | wiked |
| 10:47:11 | [-AIR-] | phew i was getting worried |
| 10:47:21 | Coldtoast | what were you worried about? |
| 10:48:02 | [-AIR-] | well, i couldn't boot into iriver firmware to update to version 5 |
| 10:48:07 | [-AIR-] | but now i have. |
| 10:48:18 | [-AIR-] | i just formatted |
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| 10:48:35 | Coldtoast | ok |
| 10:49:39 | [-AIR-] | now ill put some music on there again |
| 10:50:06 | Coldtoast | ok. heh |
| 10:50:30 | Coldtoast | oh man. they JPG display on the h140 is pretty fricken sweet |
| 10:50:51 | Coldtoast | only saw the screenshot posted on MR but man, does that look NICE! |
| 10:51:46 | [-AIR-] | it is. it's sooo farking awesom |
| 10:51:58 | [-AIR-] | it and mandlebrot as it is. W)W |
| 10:52:41 | amiconn | Coldtoast: The problem with the HD performing an emergency park when leaving bootloader USB mode is solved in bootloader v5 |
| 10:52:52 | [-AIR-] | awesome |
| 10:52:54 | [-AIR-] | thanks :) |
| 10:53:41 | Coldtoast | amiconn: really? |
| 10:53:45 | Coldtoast | cos mine still; does it |
| 10:54:22 | Coldtoast | I Ithink :) |
| 10:54:55 | Coldtoast | oh. not it doesn't hehe |
| 10:55:05 | Coldtoast | I usually don't boot into USB mode |
| 10:56:37 | Coldtoast | I think I'm never going to misticriver.net again |
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| 10:56:58 | Coldtoast | can ONE day go past where some moron doesn't bag the ipod? |
| 10:58:53 | [-AIR-] | yer i know. it's quite farking annoying. but the moderators are putting a stop to it. |
| 10:59:09 | [-AIR-] | mostly it's just newBs trying to "mix in" bcoz they think we all think the same |
| 10:59:26 | Coldtoast | even calling the ipod things like "ipoo" and "icrap" is irritating |
| 10:59:54 | [-AIR-] | yer. even iriver has an "i" |
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| 11:00:27 | [-AIR-] | lets see how long it takes for someone to come of with another faecal related synonym |
| 11:01:02 | Coldtoast | seriously, I've never seen a forum with so many ppl obsessed with another companies product and beign hell bent on bagging said product |
| 11:01:09 | [-AIR-] | my rockbox tutorial weren't bad tho :) |
| 11:01:38 | ashridah | Coldtoast: you clearly haven't used linux enough :) |
| 11:01:46 | [-AIR-] | http://www.misticriver.net/boards/showpost.php?p=283091&postcount=24 |
| 11:01:51 | Coldtoast | hah |
| 11:01:59 | Coldtoast | what do they do? bag eachother's dist? |
| 11:02:04 | Coldtoast | or Windows? |
| 11:02:06 | [-AIR-] | what is so great about linux? |
| 11:02:08 | Coldtoast | or both? |
| 11:02:13 | ashridah | both, generally :) |
| 11:02:24 | ashridah | depends where you go |
| 11:02:38 | [-AIR-] | lol |
| 11:02:52 | [-AIR-] | what are the main good points about linux over windows |
| 11:02:58 | Coldtoast | [-AIR-]: I'm not expert on it but even just fromcasual usage, it's HEAPS more fun than Windows. It's far mor esecure, there's no spyware and no viruses |
| 11:03:00 | [-AIR-] | be it vista or xp or w00teva |
| 11:03:08 | ashridah | [-AIR-]: depends what you're trying to get done? |
| 11:03:13 | [-AIR-] | rite. |
| 11:03:23 | [-AIR-] | is it like rockbox compared to iriver firmare ... |
| 11:03:39 | ashridah | there's really not much point in asking if linux is 'better' since that'll depend entirely on how experiened you are. |
| 11:03:46 | [-AIR-] | in terms of customizability and optimisation and look and interface and features and etc. |
| 11:03:55 | ashridah | and again, what you're trying to get done |
| 11:04:01 | Coldtoast | for the average Ma and Pa who just use their computer for the internet, the odd word processing doc adn stuff, Linux is FAR better than Windows |
| 11:04:08 | [-AIR-] | i can do the odd bit of dos. and cd etc. and ./ and ../. |
| 11:04:16 | Coldtoast | but for that type of person, it needs to be set up for them I reckon |
| 11:04:36 | [-AIR-] | rite |
| 11:04:46 | Coldtoast | cos they don't have to be constantly dealign with spyware and viruses |
| 11:04:47 | [-AIR-] | i mite give it a go. it's free i hear :D |
| 11:04:59 | Coldtoast | But for that type ofer person, a Mac would be better anyway |
| 11:05:03 | ashridah | [-AIR-]: that depends where you get it |
| 11:05:04 | [-AIR-] | yer lol. |
| 11:05:09 | [-AIR-] | o. |
| 11:05:11 | ashridah | there's plenty ofp laces you can buy a linux distro for various prices |
| 11:05:14 | [-AIR-] | legally free? |
| 11:05:25 | Coldtoast | don't lol [-AIR-]. Macs are GREAT machines |
| 11:05:27 | [-AIR-] | so r u on linux now? |
| 11:05:29 | ashridah | most distros are legally free, however. |
| 11:05:30 | Coldtoast | and OS-X is brilliant |
| 11:05:38 | ashridah | [-AIR-]: i'm always on linux |
| 11:05:47 | ashridah | i've been using it professionally and personally for the last 5-6 years |
| 11:05:48 | Coldtoast | I'm sometimes on Linux |
| 11:05:54 | [-AIR-] | macs r. i wasn't lol at it. |
| 11:06:03 | Coldtoast | see, I came from an Amiga backgroiund (up til 97) |
| 11:06:05 | [-AIR-] | they're so nice. and always a step ahead microsoft |
| 11:06:13 | Coldtoast | and I find Linux feels a lot like the old Amiga days |
| 11:06:23 | [-AIR-] | kewlkewl |
| 11:06:52 | [-AIR-] | have either of u used usenet? |
| 11:07:03 | Coldtoast | sure. not for AGES tho |
| 11:07:16 | [-AIR-] | o. as in binaries or just text viewing? |
| 11:07:18 | Coldtoast | I went off usenet because of the abundance of kiddy pr0n |
| 11:07:24 | [-AIR-] | o rite lol. |
| 11:07:32 | [-AIR-] | that's true. there's lots of that |
| 11:07:35 | [-AIR-] | best to avoid it |
| 11:07:46 | Coldtoast | yeah. so I don't bother |
| 11:08:01 | [-AIR-] | rite. im gonna sign up for a month just to be rid of my shitty 128 mps. |
| 11:08:03 | [-AIR-] | mp3 |
| 11:08:09 | [-AIR-] | just replace with 192 |
| 11:08:11 | Coldtoast | sign up? |
| 11:08:14 | [-AIR-] | www.giganews.com |
| 11:08:18 | Coldtoast | ok |
| 11:08:19 | [-AIR-] | yer, u have to pay |
| 11:08:26 | [-AIR-] | don't u? |
| 11:08:28 | Coldtoast | pay for usenet? |
| 11:08:31 | [-AIR-] | yer. |
| 11:08:34 | Coldtoast | screw that |
| 11:08:53 | [-AIR-] | it's like $25 per month UNLIMITED FULL SPEED |
| 11:09:11 | Coldtoast | oh man! there ain't no WAY I'm paying for access to somebody's news server |
| 11:09:29 | [-AIR-] | why not? it's way better than bittorrent or irc |
| 11:09:43 | [-AIR-] | for downloads that is |
| 11:09:47 | Coldtoast | cos I can just use my ISP's one |
| 11:09:53 | [-AIR-] | o rite ok. |
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| 11:10:02 | [-AIR-] | internode |
| 11:10:07 | Coldtoast | they still run a server |
| 11:10:14 | [-AIR-] | wow. and what is on there? |
| 11:10:23 | Coldtoast | dude. check with your ISP |
| 11:10:31 | Coldtoast | I bet they run a newsgroup server |
| 11:10:32 | [-AIR-] | no thet don't have one |
| 11:10:42 | [-AIR-] | i just switched to f2s. 2mb uncapped :) |
| 11:10:52 | Coldtoast | ok |
| 11:10:53 | [-AIR-] | only NTL has it here and they suxorx |
| 11:11:24 | [-AIR-] | hey. u know the news on rockbox.org |
| 11:11:32 | Coldtoast | I dunno. if I were to fork over $25 a month, I'd need to know FOR SURE what they offer wasn't available on my ISP's server |
| 11:11:43 | [-AIR-] | it's updated very rarely, is it only for huge steps in the ports |
| 11:12:10 | [-AIR-] | im only doing it for one month tho, then ill cut down to £5 p/m for like 20gb |
| 11:12:14 | Coldtoast | no idea. I never read it :) |
| 11:12:30 | [-AIR-] | ok |
| 11:12:31 | [-AIR-] | lol |
| 11:12:40 | [-AIR-] | me neither seeing as it's always the same :) |
| 11:13:54 | Coldtoast | hey. for mp3 replaygain, the replaygain tags are part of ID3V2? |
| 11:14:23 | Coldtoast | I checked out foobar 2000 and is only does it with ID3v1 tags it seems |
| 11:14:56 | Coldtoast | but some dude had a tut on MR where his foobar did it with ID3V2 (was in the options for replaygain in their foobar) |
| 11:16:31 | Coldtoast | ah |
| 11:17:18 | Coldtoast | wow! you need to dl a separate component for ID3v2 support |
| 11:25:12 | * | austriancoder has two patches for iAudio (ata and i2c) |
| 11:25:45 | [-AIR-] | good work austrian coder. u have an iaudio s5? |
| 11:25:51 | [-AIR-] | good work austrian coder. u have an iaudio X5? |
| 11:26:03 | austriancoder | yep |
| 11:27:08 | austriancoder | its a very good player |
| 11:28:34 | [-AIR-] | really? my m8 got one, wasn't too impressed. it looks nice, but the joystick thing, seemed feeble to me. it protruded far from the player. |
| 11:28:48 | [-AIR-] | what firmware do u have for it? |
| 11:29:41 | austriancoder | the newest - why? |
| 11:30:17 | [-AIR-] | my m8 was wondering what number firmware there is. coz his freezes when returning from recording or sutting |
| 11:30:19 | [-AIR-] | anyways. im off |
| 11:30:21 | [-AIR-] | cyalll |
| 11:30:50 | [-AIR-] | btw. what i come back im gonna get a series of screendumps illustrating the good work on mandlebrot, the zooming in. |
| 11:31:06 | austriancoder | cool |
| 11:31:36 | [-AIR-] | yup |
| 11:31:37 | [-AIR-] | :D |
| 11:31:58 | [-AIR-] | i kinda suggested some of the things to improve and tested for bugs so i think it's only rite :d |
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| 12:33:45 | Moos | Hello |
| 12:35:00 | webguest66 | Slasheri: the wps still freezes randomly, I left my player on over night and this morning when I checked the wps was frozen |
| 12:36:17 | webguest66 | it seems that the only way to reproduce this is to leave the player on play for a looong time |
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| 12:52:06 | Coldtoast | hey |
| 12:52:24 | Coldtoast | what the heck are mpeg stream resync errors? |
| 12:52:34 | Coldtoast | getting them on a few tracks in foobar |
| 12:52:48 | Coldtoast | it's successfully resyncing the streams tho |
| 12:55:07 | webguest66 | hah, I can also freeze the wps, by skipping forward very quickly through songs in playlist |
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| 13:05:38 | Teslacuted | I'm having a problem playing playlists of over 100 songs, is this known? |
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| 13:44:45 | austriancoder | it seems that iaudio and iriver uses the same usb2ata bridge ;) |
| 13:45:07 | Coldtoast | hehe. cool |
| 13:45:32 | Coldtoast | wonder what his "playlists >100" issue was |
| 13:45:51 | Coldtoast | I had a playlist of 1248 tracks the other day and it was playing fine |
| 13:46:01 | Coldtoast | didn't get far into it tho |
| 13:46:34 | webguest66 | try skipping tracks quickly through your playlist |
| 13:46:44 | Coldtoast | I will in a bit |
| 13:46:54 | Coldtoast | just at the end of replaygaining all my tracks |
| 13:46:58 | Coldtoast | has maybe 5mins left |
| 13:46:58 | webguest66 | to see if wps freezes |
| 13:47:52 | webguest66 | you trust windoes 5minutes ? :) |
| 13:48:05 | Coldtoast | Windows isn't telling me 5 mins |
| 13:50:25 | Coldtoast | I swear the second my local exchange has ADSL2+ DSLAMs I'm switching to ADSL2 |
| 13:50:30 | Coldtoast | ADSL2+ |
| 13:50:42 | Coldtoast | I think I'm close enough to get around 20mbps |
| 13:50:42 | Lear | Interesting... Tremor has ARM assembler for so called floor0 calculations. Yet the specifications says libvorbis stopped using floor0 after beta 4 (the encoder decides if it is to be used). :) |
| 13:50:53 | Lear | No point in rewriting that for coldfire then... |
| 13:52:29 | Coldtoast | formatting my h140 |
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| 14:11:14 | Coldtoast | webguest66: how many tracks should I skip? |
| 14:12:55 | webguest66 | 15 to 20 |
| 14:13:07 | webguest66 | very fast forward skipping |
| 14:13:18 | crwl | Lear, i recall somebody saying that floor0 could be useful for some very low-bitrate stuff, but no current encoder uses it anyway |
| 14:13:25 | crwl | i might remember wrong too :) |
| 14:14:14 | Coldtoast | hmmm |
| 14:14:23 | Coldtoast | I just skipped forward 22 tracks |
| 14:14:29 | Coldtoast | and it hasn't frozen |
| 14:14:39 | webguest66 | very very quickly |
| 14:14:48 | Coldtoast | I did |
| 14:15:04 | Coldtoast | so fast it couldn't keep up and I'd just keep skipping til it did |
| 14:15:12 | webguest66 | yep thats the way |
| 14:15:24 | Coldtoast | wps is working fine |
| 14:15:44 | Coldtoast | my peak meters are animating, time is changing, info lines alternating |
| 14:15:53 | webguest66 | hmm, I'll see if I can narrow it down a bit |
| 14:16:21 | webguest66 | try skpping when the HD red light is on |
| 14:16:29 | Coldtoast | ok |
| 14:18:02 | Coldtoast | 26 tracks, HDD light on |
| 14:18:04 | Coldtoast | no freeze |
| 14:18:15 | Coldtoast | and it crossfaded properly, even :) |
| 14:18:37 | webguest66 | ok, the other way I got a frozen wps was over night |
| 14:19:17 | Coldtoast | hmmm. ok |
| 14:19:31 | Coldtoast | hey. with replaygain in mp3s, does the ID3 HAVE to have any info? |
| 14:19:45 | Coldtoast | for replaygain to work? |
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| 14:22:16 | Lear | what do you mean? replaygain info is read from id3... |
| 14:22:29 | Coldtoast | ok. cos here's what's happened |
| 14:22:41 | Lear | and id3v2 must be read too... |
| 14:22:56 | Coldtoast | I ran foobar2k's replaygain over all my MP3s |
| 14:23:15 | Coldtoast | and now, heh, for some reason I have no ID3 tags AT ALL |
| 14:23:30 | Coldtoast | so you can't write replaygain info with empty ID3 tags? |
| 14:23:30 | Lear | according to what program? |
| 14:23:45 | Coldtoast | to Tag & Rename as well as my iriver |
| 14:24:00 | Coldtoast | I MAY have wiped the ID3 yesterday by accident tho and not boticed |
| 14:24:13 | Lear | I'd check a file via a hex dump... |
| 14:24:26 | Lear | how have you set foobar to write tags for mp3? |
| 14:24:29 | Coldtoast | in which case, when I ran replaygain over all files just now, as ther ewas no ID3 info at all, it didn't write replaygain info |
| 14:24:41 | Coldtoast | that'd be right, wouldn't it? |
| 14:25:18 | webguest66 | if you havent setup foobar corractly' it'll write RG info to ape tags, you need to specify foobar to write to V1 and V2 |
| 14:25:29 | Lear | it should write replaygain info even if there are no tags, adding them if needed. |
| 14:25:36 | Coldtoast | in prefs, I've told it to write to ID3V2 and V1 |
| 14:26:01 | Lear | yes, that could explain things; while writing ape, it might have wiped the id3 tags... |
| 14:26:05 | Lear | or perhaps not. :) |
| 14:26:24 | Coldtoast | ah well |
| 14:26:35 | Coldtoast | sigh. I have to retag everything now. heh |
| 14:26:41 | Lear | I always do a hex dump in cases like this, to see what really happened... |
| 14:26:45 | webguest66 | foobar will tthen write RG to V2 |
| 14:27:36 | Coldtoast | hmmm. I see replaygain info in the header |
| 14:27:52 | webguest66 | also if you set foobar to wirte unicode, then you wont see your v2 tags in a nromal tagging app |
| 14:28:03 | Coldtoast | ah. that's what I did |
| 14:28:07 | Lear | or rather, some tagging apps. |
| 14:28:18 | Lear | E.g., mp3 tag studio can handle it just fine. |
| 14:28:45 | Coldtoast | actually, I've set foobar to "Always write ISO-8859-1 tags instead of UTF-16" |
| 14:29:04 | webguest66 | then a normal tag app should read your tag info |
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| 14:29:51 | Coldtoast | I can see where the id3 WAS int eh header. there's a huge blank area |
| 14:30:07 | Coldtoast | ID3 CTXXX replaygain_track_gain -5.73 dBTXXX replaygain_track_peak 1.520039 |
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| 14:34:46 | Lear | it defaults to pad, I think. |
| 14:35:18 | Coldtoast | ok. I'm going to dump replaygain info and start again |
| 14:35:32 | Coldtoast | just checked another one and I can see V1 and Ape info |
| 14:35:35 | Coldtoast | and no V2 |
| 14:35:43 | Coldtoast | irivier needs V2, doesn't it? |
| 14:36:11 | Lear | don't know about iriver... I only use V2 on my files. |
| 14:36:59 | Coldtoast | as I have no tags anyway, I may as well test |
| 14:45:33 | austriancoder | hace to go... see you later |
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| 18:21:12 | bagawk | What does iriverify do? |
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| 18:26:27 | gotohell | !list |
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| 18:47:03 | Febs | bagawk: if you're still around, iriverify changes a Rockbox-generated playlist into one which can be read using the native Iriver firmware. |
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| 19:01:17 | Cassandra | Even if he's not still around, the plugin still does the same thing. :) |
| 19:02:28 | bagawk | Got it |
| 19:02:29 | bagawk | thanks |
| 19:10:15 | Febs | Cassandra, did you see my e-mail a couple of weeks back about the manual? |
| 19:11:37 | Cassandra | Febs: Oh yes, sorry for not responding. I'm in a bit of an uncertain state regarding manuals with respect to 2.5. |
| 19:12:08 | Cassandra | I'm planning to migrate the manual to LaTeX for 3.0 when iRiver is released so that we can have per platform manual files. |
| 19:12:30 | Cassandra | (while retaining common source that can be stored in CVS.) |
| 19:12:50 | Febs | Let me know what I can do to help. I'm not a coder so this is one area where I can contirbute. |
| 19:13:11 | Cassandra | However, when 2.5 was imminent I was planning to get that out of the door in the "old" format. |
| 19:13:26 | Cassandra | How much do you know about LaTeX? |
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| 19:13:35 | austriancoder | hi |
| 19:13:38 | Febs | Absolutely nothing, but I'm a quick study. |
| 19:14:53 | Cassandra | *nods* LaTeX has more in common with HTML that with Wordprocessing (it's a markup language), would that be a problem for you? |
| 19:15:17 | Febs | Probably not, I have a working knowledge of basic html. |
| 19:15:48 | Cassandra | That's cool. |
| 19:16:35 | austriancoder | is it ok for you that i rename i2c-h100.c/h to i2c-coldfire.c/h and apply this patch http://nopaste.php-q.net/150584 ? |
| 19:17:10 | Cassandra | If you'd like to play around with the current manual, please see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocBox |
| 19:17:36 | Cassandra | In particular, if you could document new plugins since 2.4 in the same style as that, that'd be a great help. |
| 19:19:27 | Febs | I'll take a look. |
| 19:20:34 | Cassandra | OK. That'd be really great, thanks. Pick a plugin, download the 2.4 manual. Follow the instructions on that page, then send the results to me. |
| 19:27:47 | solex_ | Uh. What does *panic* ata: -71 mean? |
| 19:29:16 | solex_ | I had my iriver connected the the pc |
| 19:29:45 | solex_ | linux didn't detect the device (no trace in syslog) and I disconnected and wanted to shutdown the device. |
| 19:30:05 | solex_ | it then seemed to hang and i tried to hit reset |
| 19:30:19 | solex_ | then i got that *panic* |
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| 19:33:48 | austriancoder | cannt help you |
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| 19:40:08 | Yokalosh | i know this is a dumb question, but can the jbr10 be powered off usb? |
| 19:42:42 | Yokalosh | ? |
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| 19:54:43 | * | austriancoder fixed red build now.. |
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| 20:04:16 | pill | hi |
| 20:04:32 | austriancoder | hey |
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| 20:06:29 | solex | Why is there no tag for current repeat setting? |
| 20:06:50 | solex | There is just 'Shuffle' |
| 20:06:58 | Coldtoast | I think Play State would also be cool |
| 20:07:16 | solex | Or short: everything that is displayed by the status bar. |
| 20:07:30 | Coldtoast | Play/Pause/Stop (which you can turn into "Playing, Paused and Stopped") |
| 20:07:43 | pill | apparently current builds have a volume change causing rockbox haing |
| 20:07:47 | solex | If you could even insert the graphics... |
| 20:07:52 | pill | hanging* |
| 20:09:04 | austriancoder | pill: opsa |
| 20:09:11 | austriancoder | i have changed som i2c stuff |
| 20:10:05 | austriancoder | open i2c-coldfire.c |
| 20:11:09 | austriancoder | and change i2c_init to this one: http://nopaste.php-q.net/150599 |
| 20:11:17 | austriancoder | does it then work better? |
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| 20:15:55 | mr_qno | Hello, did anyone report somes bugs with the "move to next folder" option today ? Because i had some with the latest daily build. |
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| 20:17:30 | austriancoder | can somebody test the current build? i have changed i2c stuff and have no iriver to test |
| 20:17:44 | Cassandra | No, but there have been recent changes. |
| 20:17:47 | Cassandra | ac: Hold on. |
| 20:20:37 | Cassandra | What specifically did you want testing? |
| 20:21:32 | austriancoder | change volume |
| 20:21:52 | pill | oh |
| 20:22:01 | pill | this was an issue for the past days |
| 20:22:15 | pill | is it meant to solve this? |
| 20:22:18 | * | pill is testing |
| 20:22:49 | austriancoder | pill: no.. i thought my i2c changed broke something |
| 20:22:54 | pill | oh |
| 20:22:55 | pill | nono |
| 20:23:09 | austriancoder | Cassandra: if volume changing works, everything is ok |
| 20:23:12 | pill | apparently it's been buggy since the jpg viewer came into play |
| 20:23:19 | pill | sorry about the confusion |
| 20:23:30 | Cassandra | Nope. It's still going slowly after a while. |
| 20:23:42 | pill | yeah |
| 20:23:47 | pill | that's weird |
| 20:23:53 | pill | looks like rockbox is lagging |
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| 20:32:58 | austriancoder | when was this bug introduced? |
| 20:34:23 | Cassandra | I had the impression it was first reported around the time we got replaygain support. |
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| 22:29:20 | Yokalosh | guys, what is the best iriver, or which do you guys plan on working your rockbox magic on most? |
| 22:29:30 | Yokalosh | because i need a new one, my archos just burnt out |
| 22:30:04 | Cassandra | A H1xx is your best bet currently, if you can find one. |
| 22:31:25 | Yokalosh | does that include the h10? |
| 22:31:32 | Cassandra | Nope. |
| 22:32:01 | Yokalosh | gdgd, i dnt like it anyway |
| 22:32:03 | Moos | Yokalosh: if you ask me one H140 ;) |
| 22:32:14 | Yokalosh | cool |
| 22:32:19 | Yokalosh | i was looking at the h320 |
| 22:33:01 | Moos | depand of what do you want really |
| 22:33:24 | Yokalosh | rockbox :D |
| 22:33:32 | Yokalosh | tht h140 is a bitch of a player! |
| 22:33:35 | Yokalosh | dude that is sweet |
| 22:33:56 | Moos | for me it's the best player for music |
| 22:34:12 | Yokalosh | :D |
| 22:34:21 | Moos | plus possibility to upgrade to 60 go ;) |
| 22:34:22 | Yokalosh | it has the best rockbox compatibility? |
| 22:34:56 | Moos | h3xx don't support Rb yet |
| 22:35:29 | Yokalosh | well i found a h140 on ebay for 99 quid with 4 days |
| 22:35:43 | Yokalosh | which i'm guessing isnt bad but i know it will go up |
| 22:35:54 | Moos | :) |
| 22:36:27 | Moos | it's you and your luck :) |
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| 22:43:18 | Yokalosh | lol yeh |
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| 22:48:02 | Xetrov | anyone has any experience with corrupted hds on archos jukebox player? |
| 22:48:40 | Xetrov | boots up in 'waiting' mode, then reports 'file sys error' |
| 22:48:50 | Xetrov | usb mode works, but cant access the drive itself |
| 22:49:07 | Xetrov | only way i can even see that its there is the device manager |
| 22:54:18 | Xetrov | i guess ill go post it in the forums too. |
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| 22:54:45 | Toni1 | Hi folks |
| 22:54:59 | Toni1 | I just commited a patch, which shows the fm menu on iriver and simulators |
| 22:55:11 | Toni1 | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1248983&group_id=44306&atid=439120 |
| 22:56:00 | Toni1 | If someone is interested, I added a screenshot to the patch |
| 22:59:48 | Toni1 | bye |
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| 23:03:21 | Xetrov | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1149.0 |
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| 23:11:14 | belgarath | i |
| 23:11:43 | belgarath | i had a strange problem with filenames just now... |
| 23:12:24 | belgarath | i renamed using rockbox some files in the record folder |
| 23:12:46 | belgarath | when i opened the folder using winxp it restarted |
| 23:13:03 | belgarath | renaming the files without spaces solved this |
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| 23:13:49 | belgarath | any thoughts? |
| 23:14:09 | crwl | winxp restarted while opening a folder? |
| 23:14:25 | Bagder | sounds like you should fix winxp |
| 23:14:29 | crwl | definitely :) |
| 23:14:37 | Bagder | send them a patch |
| 23:14:39 | Bagder | :-) |
| 23:15:00 | * | amiconn notices Bagder |
| 23:15:05 | belgarath | i think it was the spaces in the file name but I don't know why that would cause problems |
| 23:15:06 | [-AIR-] | question. can to many conditionals in the wps make it freeze? the more the slower? |
| 23:15:09 | amiconn | evening |
| 23:15:21 | amiconn | Bagder: Any news concerning language support v2? |
| 23:15:38 | Bagder | amiconn: not really, it'll take me another week or so |
| 23:15:41 | belgarath | plus the filenames had a 1/4 where the space should have been |
| 23:16:02 | amiconn | I had some thoughts; e.g. my earlier idea to leave out IDs for empty strings per platform is a bad idea. |
| 23:16:24 | amiconn | Of course these strings should be nulled, but the ID must still be included |
| 23:16:24 | Bagder | why so? |
| 23:16:54 | amiconn | Consider a feature that is added for only one platform first |
| 23:17:17 | amiconn | The strings concerning that feature would be defined only for that platform, leaving out this ID for the others |
| 23:17:18 | Bagder | yes, right. good point |
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| 23:17:36 | amiconn | Then some other strings get added, arbitrary |
| 23:18:08 | amiconn | After that someone implements that feature for another platform, and enables the strings −− all higher IDs would get shifted |
| 23:18:18 | Bagder | yes |
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| 23:22:35 | amiconn | If we use the same walk-the-array approach as used in the current code, we would 'waste' exactly 1 byte per empty ID |
| 23:22:53 | amiconn | ...in the binary, plus another 4 byte in RAM |
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| 23:29:59 | [-AIR-] | question. can to many conditionals in the wps make it freeze? the more the slower? |
| 23:30:55 | Cassandra | I'd expect so, yes. Although I'm not sure about freezing per se. |
| 23:31:04 | Yokalosh | ur only supposed to have a certain amount |
| 23:32:13 | Yokalosh | hey xetrov i had the same problem as you at one point |
| 23:32:19 | Xetrov | really? |
| 23:32:25 | Yokalosh | yes |
| 23:32:26 | Xetrov | how did you resolve it? if at all |
| 23:32:49 | Xetrov | i figure right now ill probably have to open it up, hook the hdd directly to my pc, and format it |
| 23:32:49 | Yokalosh | to solve it i had to get a livecd version of linux (i used knoppix) and then plug it into that and reformat it |
| 23:33:05 | Xetrov | really |
| 23:33:08 | Yokalosh | yes |
| 23:33:10 | Xetrov | so the device works |
| 23:33:14 | Xetrov | its just that windows is dumb |
| 23:33:17 | Yokalosh | yes |
| 23:33:24 | Xetrov | i acutally had an application that could read the hdd |
| 23:33:24 | Yokalosh | u get an i/o error after a while right? |
| 23:33:27 | Xetrov | as a volume |
| 23:33:30 | Xetrov | hmm, no |
| 23:33:43 | Yokalosh | i sometimes did sometimes didnt |
| 23:33:48 | Yokalosh | but i dont think it is corrupt |
| 23:33:56 | Xetrov | well, it wont boot |
| 23:33:57 | Yokalosh | try the livecd version of linux :) |
| 23:34:01 | Yokalosh | sorts it first time |
| 23:34:10 | Xetrov | knoppix you say |
| 23:34:18 | Yokalosh | yes |
| 23:34:29 | Xetrov | what application did you use in it? |
| 23:34:31 | Xetrov | to do the formatting |
| 23:34:46 | Yokalosh | i used a command |
| 23:34:51 | Xetrov | dd? |
| 23:34:53 | Yokalosh | erm i cant remember right now |
| 23:35:00 | Yokalosh | join #knoppix |
| 23:35:02 | Yokalosh | :) |
| 23:35:07 | Yokalosh | or #linux |
| 23:35:17 | Xetrov | did you have to rebuild the partition too? |
| 23:35:26 | Xetrov | i sure hope knoppix can acutally access the hdd. |
| 23:35:28 | Bagder | you don't normally need to format |
| 23:35:35 | Bagder | just fix the partition and mkfs |
| 23:35:56 | Xetrov | thanks guys |
| 23:36:00 | Xetrov | ill get on it later |
| 23:36:08 | Yokalosh | np :) |
| 23:36:14 | Xetrov | man |
| 23:36:16 | Xetrov | you wouldnt believe it |
| 23:36:23 | Xetrov | i just had a 4 day vacation with my family |
| 23:36:27 | Xetrov | and my archos busted |
| 23:36:29 | Xetrov | on the first day |
| 23:36:30 | Yokalosh | lol |
| 23:36:31 | Xetrov | i thought i was gonna flip |
| 23:36:34 | Yokalosh | i smoked mine earlier |
| 23:36:42 | Xetrov | i had to listen to my family argue for the rest of the vacation |
| 23:36:47 | Yokalosh | :( |
| 23:37:03 | Yokalosh | hopefully i will get my iriver before i go to croatia in 2 weeks |
| 23:37:14 | Xetrov | my friend got an iaudio something |
| 23:37:17 | Xetrov | spiffy as hell |
| 23:37:21 | Yokalosh | cool |
| 23:37:22 | Xetrov | plays videos too |
| 23:37:27 | [-AIR-] | u like it? |
| 23:37:30 | [-AIR-] | im not a fan |
| 23:37:33 | Yokalosh | i'm going for 2 weeks which will suck if i dnt have any music |
| 23:37:41 | Xetrov | and he says he'll be able use it as a psp harddrive too |
| 23:37:50 | Xetrov | something to do with 'usb to go' |
| 23:37:55 | Yokalosh | cool |
| 23:37:58 | Yokalosh | sounds good |
| 23:38:04 | Yokalosh | but highly gimmicky ;) |
| 23:38:23 | Xetrov | tell you the truth, apart from the size, i really like the archos+rockbox combo |
| 23:38:24 | Yokalosh | its not what it can already do, its what these guys can make it do thats the best :D |
| 23:38:46 | Yokalosh | i loved my archos with rockbox |
| 23:38:49 | Yokalosh | until it died |
| 23:39:00 | Yokalosh | but now i will be getting iriver with rockbox :D |
| 23:39:22 | Yokalosh | how long you had your archos? |
| 23:39:28 | Bagder | ...hopefully ac get rockbox going on iaudio |
| 23:39:30 | Xetrov | mhmm.. 3 years |
| 23:39:40 | Yokalosh | wow |
| 23:39:42 | Yokalosh | 3 years |
| 23:39:50 | Yokalosh | and this is the first major problem with it? |
| 23:39:53 | Xetrov | yeah |
| 23:40:02 | Xetrov | i should probably replace the batteries sometime soon. |
| 23:40:14 | Yokalosh | wow |
| 23:40:14 | Xetrov | i only found out about rockbox a few months ago tho |
| 23:40:23 | Xetrov | imagine the shock |
| 23:40:27 | Yokalosh | i got rockbox on mine the day i got it |
| 23:40:28 | Yokalosh | :) |
| 23:40:36 | Yokalosh | i only got it because of rockbox :D |
| 23:40:46 | Xetrov | its really great |
| 23:40:49 | Yokalosh | yeh |
| 23:40:53 | Yokalosh | u made it play vids yet? |
| 23:40:55 | Bagder | I hacked on rockbox long before I got my Archos ;-) |
| 23:40:55 | Xetrov | the whole project |
| 23:41:05 | Xetrov | play vids? |
| 23:41:09 | Yokalosh | yeh |
| 23:41:11 | Xetrov | im not sure mine can handle that |
| 23:41:16 | Xetrov | studio20 |
| 23:41:16 | Yokalosh | it can play videos in a very basic way |
| 23:41:18 | Xetrov | small lcd |
| 23:41:25 | Yokalosh | i had the jbr10 |
| 23:41:39 | Yokalosh | bagder does the studio20 have vids? |
| 23:41:41 | Xetrov | tell you the truth, i didnt really look into anything more other than listening to music |
| 23:41:43 | Bagder | no |
| 23:41:47 | Bagder | it has a charcell lcd |
| 23:41:51 | Xetrov | yeah |
| 23:41:53 | Xetrov | that lcd is horrid |
| 23:42:32 | Yokalosh | :( |
| 23:42:36 | Xetrov | so iriver is the player of choice today? |
| 23:42:47 | Xetrov | if someone was to get a new player |
| 23:42:55 | Yokalosh | its my player of choice for sure :) but only cos the archos is outdated |
| 23:43:23 | | Quit memmem (Remote closed the connection) |
| 23:43:23 | Yokalosh | i would never consider getting an ipod really |
| 23:43:35 | Xetrov | something dosent seem right about ipods |
| 23:43:41 | Xetrov | i never even saw one upclose |
| 23:43:45 | Bagder | someone should make rockbox run on ipod |
| 23:43:51 | Yokalosh | what is better in you guys views, ipod linux or rockbox?:P |
| 23:44:01 | Xetrov | never saw ipod linux |
| 23:44:34 | Xetrov | ipod is cool too i guess |
| 23:44:38 | Xetrov | its all about the hacks |
| 23:44:48 | Yokalosh | i havent really looked into it, but i know it makes it view pictures |
| 23:45:51 | Yokalosh | ipod has irregular hardware though so i have heard |
| 23:45:59 | Xetrov | id imagine |
| 23:46:00 | Yokalosh | being apple and all that |
| 23:46:05 | Bagder | irregular? |
| 23:46:07 | Yokalosh | nothing is off the shelf with those guys |
| 23:46:16 | Xetrov | i think i read its pretty fragile |
| 23:46:31 | Bagder | they use a chipset with closed docs |
| 23:46:41 | Yokalosh | uh huh |
| 23:46:49 | | Quit einhirn (Connection timed out) |
| 23:47:02 | Yokalosh | well i'm off now guys |
| 23:47:07 | Xetrov | later |
| 23:47:10 | Yokalosh | nice tlking :) |
| 23:47:10 | Xetrov | thanks for the help |
| 23:47:11 | Yokalosh | bye |
| 23:47:20 | | Part Yokalosh |
| 23:50:21 | [-AIR-] | hum. my wps. for some unknown reason %in is not showing track number :s |
| 23:50:27 | [-AIR-] | i have (%in) |
| 23:50:59 | [-AIR-] | here: shows it clearly: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery#GeorgeCollins |
| 23:51:19 | [-AIR-] | there it shows %?in<(%in)|> |
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