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#rockbox log for 2005-08-08

00:01:12stevenmmatsl, yes. you need glibc-2.3.5-r1
00:01:52lodesistevenm: one more time, thx very much
00:01:59matslstevenm: ok.
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00:16:06stevenmDoes anyone mind if I commit some midi changes?
00:16:56Bagderonly if you break the build ;-)
00:17:19stevenmyea.. that's what scares me. I am double-checking if I break anything
00:17:39stevenmthe 20 minutes after commit are probably the longest ever, until the new build status comes up
00:19:34Bagderbut I believe it is around 11 minutes ;-)
00:20:11stevenmwell, here goes.. cvs commit -m "Whatever" .. it's -m for the comment, right?
00:20:26Bagderyes, or let it pop up your editor
00:20:54stevenmah, excellent. there it went
00:20:57*stevenm runs like hell
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00:24:22Bagderthat dsp change breaks my sim sound
00:24:46stevenmBagder, oops..
00:24:57stevenmBagder, which ?
00:25:20Bagder"/dev/dsp1" instead of "/dev/dsp"
00:25:35stevenmBagder, woah, that was NOT supposed to happen
00:26:25stevenmAlright, here, let me fix that
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00:27:13stevenmBagder, sorry
00:27:15*stevenm hides
00:27:18Bagderno worries
00:27:50Bagderanother problem:
00:28:00Bagderthere is no midi2wav.c in apps/plugins
00:29:07stevenmBagder, eh?? THAT is strange. But it is here! And it was shown in nano and all
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00:29:48stevenmBagder, do you know why this is happening?
00:30:20Bagderall the xxx2wav plugins were removed
00:30:31Bagderif you want it back, you must re-add it
00:30:47Bagderbut this proves you use something else than the latest cvs ;-)
00:31:11stevenmBagder, I ran checkout, and it all came.
00:31:19stevenmAhhh! I forgot the add part
00:32:28stevenmthere, THAT should be it
00:32:43Bagderfunny how the build table script doesn't notice that
00:33:20Bagder(I'll work on _that_ another day)
00:33:36Bagderbuilt fine here now
00:34:22stevenmBagder, ah, phew
00:34:45stevenmBagder, yes, strange- no red
00:35:02stripwax_well hello
00:36:29stripwax_how's midi?
00:37:15stevenmstripwax_, just comitted some changes
00:37:52stripwax_oh cool!
00:38:01stevenmhaven't worked on it for a while, work, etc. Now back to work, just redid that pitchpend table, so that cheezy 80s sounds better
00:38:40stevenmI am waiting for 3x0 support (and more importantly, my paychecks) before buying a device, then I optimize it more
00:41:01stripwax_stevenm - i could take a look. where are the bottlenecks?
00:41:12stevenmstripwax_, I think inside synth.c
00:41:54stripwax_stevenm - hehe, yeah, - any ideas whereabouts in synth.c?
00:41:55stevenmstripwax_, probably synthvoice, etc. Right now it won't actually play sound, because of removal of xxx2wav and plugin api not yet having dsp access.. but it will work
00:42:17stevenmstripwax_, probably synthVoice() and synthSample
00:42:47stevenmand the code in midi2wav.c which calls synthSample. that runs every sample basically.. most stuff within sequencer.c, etc, runs once every event, which is not nearly as often
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00:44:45stripwax_stevenm - cool.
00:44:49stevenmWow, green build
00:45:32stevenmstripwax_, yea.. the pitch thing was the big change.. 2 extra bits of percision, sounds MUCH better
00:46:03stevenmI can make it even more, but then the table gets bigger. it's just size, anyway
00:46:25stripwax_stevenm - hm, using a bitmap for isUsed rather than an array should give a small speedup
00:46:40stevenmbitmap ?
00:47:38stripwax_yeah. unsigned int isUsed = 0x00000000; that gives 32 channels. set a bit for each channel in use, and your loop in synthSample becomes just if (isUsed & 0x01) //blah isUsed >>= 1; etc
00:48:26stripwax_actually, no reason to think it would necessarily be any faster; but it will use a bit less memory anyway
00:48:37stevenmstripwax_, I am not sure i understand.. isUsed marks a voice as used, not a whole channel
00:48:56stevenmIt basically says if a voice is currently playing, or is it save to put a new note in that object and activate it
00:49:15stripwax_stevenm - yeah that's what I mean. I should have said voices not channels.
00:52:09stevenmstripwax_, what if I want more than 32 voices? Multiple variables?
00:52:14stevenmarg, stupid wifi
00:53:33stevenmah.. that's an idea
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01:04:02alxcmwhy, hello everyone
01:04:10alxcmi just discovered a cool bug
01:04:43alxcmattempting to play an m3u playlist with nonexistant files in it
01:04:52alxcmresults in an infinite "Loading..." loop
01:04:58alxcmor at least a really, really long one
01:05:07alxcmduring which the backlight is on constantly
01:05:20alxcmwhich is just as good, i suppose, because that way my battery will run down faster
01:05:39alxcmand i can turn the player off :D
01:06:23stevenmthe glass is half full, eh?
01:06:33stripwax_bugs are usually not good :-)
01:07:19alxcmwell it sucks, because i had a fully charged battery
01:07:33alxcmso now i've gotta wait like 10+ hours
01:07:41alxcmbecause rockbox gets such awesome battery life
01:07:47alxcmand the hdd is not spinning
01:08:01alxcmthis is for the iriver port, btw
01:08:03Bagderget out your paperclip
01:08:28alxcmi dont think the iriver has a hard reset :(
01:08:29Bagderthe playlist read code is identical for all ports
01:08:36Bagderalxcm: it does
01:08:46Bagderpaperclip in the bottom whole
01:08:56alxcmwell, its fine that it takes a while
01:09:12alxcmor goes into an infinite loop, as long as it'll still process interrupts
01:09:19alxcmbut it doesn't seem to shutdown
01:09:25alxcmwhen i hold stop
01:09:30alxcmok, i'll go reset it
01:09:31alxcmthanks :D
01:09:46BagderI think the bug is different than so
01:09:59Bagderbecause the playlist loader doesn't know if the files exist or not
01:10:07alxcmoh, ok
01:10:10Bagderit just index up the playlist file
01:10:15alxcmso it's trying to PLAY the nonexistant file?
01:10:23Bagderbut it could of course fail on the first attempt to use the first file
01:10:41alxcmso it should then advance to the next file?
01:10:54alxcmi had the files in a folder in /, and then moved them to /Archives
01:10:59alxcmbut didn't change the playlist
01:11:00Bagderbut Slasheri has made it differently
01:11:07alxcmyou know what's funny?
01:11:14alxcmi really didn't want to listen to that playlist either
01:11:21alxcmi was just checking out rockbox's playlist support
01:11:33alxcmand i forgot it was a bad list
01:11:42*alxcm finds his paperclip
01:14:18Bagderme go sleep
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10:40:05ashridahthings. life. etc
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10:45:07Cka3kaanybody around here not idle? =-)
10:45:55LinusNashridah: ah, well, fine i guess
10:47:02Cka3kahey linus
10:47:34Cka3kalinus: i had a talk with someone here, dont rememebr who it was, but it was not a bad idea
10:48:31Cka3kabah its 4:40 am, im too tired to think about anything lol
10:48:34Cka3kait just hit me
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11:13:13CoCoLUSno shuttle landing today :/
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11:18:23CoCoLUSnot now, at least
11:42:16ShadowMastercan anyone help me? I have followe every step from that hp: but how can I now use the db?
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11:49:10CoCoLUSshadow, you have to select the database option
11:49:26CoCoLUSits one of the "show files" values
11:50:04CoCoLUSit's in the wiki
11:50:08CoCoLUS"The ID3 browser is treated as a directory filter, so you enable it by changing your "Show Files" setting to "ID3 database", either using the F2 quickscreen (recorders only) or in Menu->General Settings->File View->Show Files."
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11:57:47MoosHello everyone! :)
12:01:18ssabapparently NASA pushed back the shuttle landing for another 24h
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12:07:09ashridahbad weather, or issues with equipment?
12:07:48ssabbad weather, cloudy over Florida, or so they say
12:08:12ssabor maybe they're just getting cold feet
12:08:21ashridahnah, weather's fricking important.
12:08:37ashridahif it's too cloudy, or there's a pressure high, etc, things aren't worth risking
12:08:49ssabyeah, but it seems the eyes of the world are upon them nowadays :)
12:08:52ashridahit's also why the weather's got to be decent at several emergency landing sites during takeoff
12:09:03ashridahthis has always been the case
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12:09:28ashridahit's not something new they've instituted, although they're less blase about it
12:09:45ssabI for one can't wait for the next shuttle replacement, whatever it will be :)
12:10:44ssabbut it doesn't seem like there is anything that can replace the fragile heat-resistant tiles
12:11:06ssabso the next shuttle will probally have the same vulnerabilities
12:11:33ashridahi think they need to dig out refrigeration lasers :)
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12:11:57ssabbut what's gonna protect the lasers
12:12:22ashridaha really REALLY clean bit of glass :)
12:12:31ashridah(one speck of dust, and SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
12:12:37*ssab missed Friday's Battlestar Galatica
12:13:14ashridahheh, at least the space battles in that seemed reasonably realistic.
12:14:00ssabwell it's kinda interesting now that they get the whole religion schemes in
12:14:20ssabalthough I would rather not have wackos in there
12:17:35ashridahwhat i find entertaining is that the christian union at my uni is freaking out about the da vinci code
12:17:51ssabthe da vinci code is "faction"
12:18:02ssabit's a bad one at that too
12:18:18ssabdon't know why it gets too much attention
12:18:45ssabI listened to the audio book, and man it is horrible
12:18:51ashridah"faction" half fiction, half fact?
12:18:58ashridahi read part of it
12:19:48ashridahi'd actually rate it on par with constantine :)
12:20:00ssabthe Christians are so secure that when they see something even remotely threatening, they scream and yell
12:20:22ssabif by that you meant bad, then I agree
12:20:39ashridahyeah, i do
12:20:56ashridahnice special effects, but fuck, if someone's believing it, it's because it challenges their insecurity.
12:21:01ashridahthe rest of us sure don't give a fuck.
12:22:25ssabwow it's 6 am here and I still haven't slept
12:22:57ssabhey have you messed around with openMosix yet, ashridah
12:23:14leftrightould you like someone to hit you over the head, gauranteed to bring sleep
12:23:17ssablooks interesting
12:23:33ssabsure would, if they can come here
12:24:01leftrightrun into a wall, same thing, and you can do it yourself
12:24:21ssabI would but I'm such a chicken
12:25:09ashridahopenmosix? that's the po'-mans clustering, correct?
12:25:56*ssab thinks about patching a kernel with that and then put them all on a remastered knoppix cd
12:26:47ssabthen bam, insert cd's into unattended boxes, instant cluster
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12:28:23ashridahi must be missing something.
12:28:52ashridahmy lecturer's used clean : rm -f ${TARGETS} rm -f ${INTER} and claims that those two are make builtins.
12:28:59ashridahbut best that i can tell, they aren't.
12:29:48ssabdidn't know if they were
12:31:41ssabhmm seems like mozilla pops up an open with dialog when trying to view the current irc log again
12:33:00LinusNssab: yes, i hate mozilla for that
12:33:45ssabLinusN: but from what I read, when rasher reported the so called bug to mozilla, they pointed it to apache
12:34:05ssabI don't remember the exact context
12:35:19LinusNthat sucks
12:35:59LinusNmozilla has a "smart" algorithm that tries to detect binary content in text/plain documents
12:37:08ssabyes but they claimed they are um standard compliant if I can recall, that is they do it correctly
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12:38:56LinusNsure, they have every right to do so, but it sucks
12:39:18ssabyes very annoying
12:39:22LinusNby the way, the problem is that Aison has a quit message with embedded NUL's
12:41:05ssabaha, I found the Bug report
12:43:15ssabbut yeah the browser should do what I want it to do, and not not giving options
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13:04:07MoosHey guys, enyone use the lastest build
13:04:23MoosI hearded there is one volume bug
13:05:09MoosI used the 30 07 05 build and i don't have this volume bug
13:05:13Slasheruh, i had a horror that i forgot to take iriver charger from home. fortunately i had taken it :)
13:05:30MoosHi Slasheri :)
13:05:31LinusNMoos: i can't reproduce it with the current cvs
13:05:43LinusNbut it isn't fixed yet
13:05:44Slasherhi Moos :)
13:05:54MoosLinus: ok thanks
13:07:10MoosSlasheri: no civil service today? :D
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13:07:53Slasheryes i have, i just got to irc for a few minutes before lectures continue .)
13:08:29Mooshehe, good luck ;)
13:09:03Slasherthx, now i have to go
13:09:15Mooshave a good day
13:23:39MoosCool, bug volume don't apear here too with the last beelding edges build :)
13:24:21Moosi can't replicate it
13:25:03MoosStrange, i remenber this problem puzzled a bit Lear
13:26:24Moosi'll look @ the mailing list
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13:29:25LinusNMoos: the problem is that the uda1380 stops responding on the i2c bus
13:30:02Moosohh :(
13:30:41Moosmaybe you know how to fix it ? :)
13:31:05LinusNi will, when i find out how to make it happen
13:31:26LinusNas of now, i can't reproduce the bug
13:31:26Moosyes i can't reproduce it too
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13:33:16Moosaperently anyone here too had this bug too, it's strange :)
13:33:46bluebrother^at least me had it too.
13:34:39leftrightI get loud pops when resuming play or selecting a new track, latest build
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15:28:46BgerLinusN are you here ?
15:29:36Bgeri have one q about the DMA contr. of 5249
15:30:30Bgerok, looking @ datasheet of ISP1362 (H3x0 USB host controller) it supports DMA
15:31:19Bgerbut afics (and understand) from coldfire UM, the DMA controller can work only with built in peripherals
15:31:23Bgeram i right ?
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15:31:42LinusNyou are correct
15:31:56Bgerthat's bad ...
15:32:07ashridahyep. no full-speed usb for rockbox
15:32:17LinusNthe 5250 controller, however, can deal with mem-mem transfers
15:32:35Bgeryes, but i have iriver :))
15:33:50LinusNi haven't read the isp1362 data sheets
15:34:02Bgeri have read it ...
15:34:04LinusNdoes it have any buffering?
15:34:11Bger4096 bytes
15:34:21Bgerin fact it's 2 devices in one
15:34:26BgerUSB host & usb defice
15:34:48Bgerand the 2 devices have separate buffers
15:34:55LinusNhow large can a usb frame be?
15:35:04Bgerbut these 4096 bytes are ... w8
15:35:16*LinusN knows very little about usb in general
15:35:20*Bger too
15:35:26Bgerbut i started to read
15:35:39Bgerand i've uploaded some docs in wiki
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15:37:47SlasherBagder: hi, about the automatic playlist entry removal, i think better solution could be to add some indicator to playlist system that would set to true if for all invalid entries
15:37:49LinusNas i said, i don't know much, but i can't see why full speed usb would require dma
15:38:04LinusNSlasher: why?
15:38:22Slasherthat way playlist_next etc. would automatically skip the invalid entries
15:38:35SlasherLinusN: it's quite hard to the skipping other way
15:38:49LinusNwe don't have that today, and the archos playback skips them nicely
15:39:15Slasheryes, it's possible to do but that requires some ugly coding to get it work reliable
15:39:32LinusNis the archos playback code ugly?
15:40:32Slasherhmm, how does it handle it while buffering several tracks into memory at same time and there is at least one invalid entry between the valid entries?
15:41:10LinusNit keeps track of how many positions it has to skip to get to the next valid entry
15:41:35Slasherah, ok. that was the way i also thought
15:41:48LinusNi agree that it isn't all that "clean"
15:42:03Slasherbut i think it would be more realiable and nicer code if that's handled by the playlist code
15:42:23LinusNif you can find a cleaner solution, i'm all ears
15:42:38Slasheri will take a look when i get to home :)
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15:43:33Slasherbtw, is that problem known (at least with iriver) that saving loaded playlist again with the same filename causes it to go corrupted?
15:44:27Slasheri think the code could in that case first save it to a temporary file, remove original file and finally rename that temp file
15:45:02LinusNthat is probably a general bug
15:45:16LinusNi suggest you file a bug report
15:45:30Slasherok, i just have found my playlist corrupt several times when i have saved it
15:46:03Slasheri try to do that soon (at least i know how to reproduce the bug)
15:47:24LinusNtime to go home
15:47:27LinusNcu later
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16:45:50MasterShadowhow fast is the datatransfer if i only have a very slow usb connection with the irivier ihp-140?
16:46:07MasterShadowis ist enaugh to load games from the ihp?
16:46:13MasterShadow*is it
16:46:25bluebrother^what kind of games?
16:46:33MasterShadowDiablo II
16:46:37bluebrother^old scummvm-Stuff maybe.
16:46:49bluebrother^I guess not.
16:47:20MasterShadowhm and is there any way to upgrade my usb to usb 2.0 without getten a new mainboard?
16:47:36MasterShadowlol really?
16:47:38bluebrother^get a usb2.0 interface card.
16:47:42MasterShadowAn adapter perhaps?
16:47:49MasterShadowand how do this works?
16:48:03MasterShadowand how much do it costs? :(
16:49:10bluebrother^lowest price I've seen is 12 EUR.
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16:51:24CoCoLUSisn't that quite bad for the harddisk, excessive usage?
16:54:29MasterShadowhum what do that means?
16:55:37CoCoLUSi've read somewhere that those 1.8 inch drives don't like excessive usage like install/load games or even an os (some ipod user put linux on it)
16:55:41bluebrother^MasterShadow: see my pm :)
16:57:50MasterShadowI have seen it
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17:03:30thegeekCoCoLUS : they prob have lower specs that 2.5 and 3.5 drives
17:03:44thegeekbut I dont think running a game from it now and then would _harm_ it
17:03:57thegeekbut dont trust me
17:04:00thegeektrust amiconn
17:04:10thegeekhe is the datasheet guru
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17:22:27*t0mas is looking for some electronics help....
17:22:37t0masI have a variable resistor
17:22:40t0masand it has 3 pins...
17:22:42t0maswhy 3?
17:23:00t0masresistors normally have 2 pins?
17:23:25bluebrother^think of it as a resistor wire.
17:23:37bluebrother^you've got two ends of it.
17:23:55bluebrother^and the 3rd is somewhere in between. So you can adjust it.
17:24:25t0masah ok
17:24:36t0masbut why do I want to use the 3rd one?
17:24:49bluebrother^if you want to divide the voltage.
17:24:56t0masoh ok
17:25:16*bluebrother^ is scraping his head about the correct english terms :)
17:25:24t0masdoesn't matter
17:25:26t0masI get it ;)
17:25:35t0masit is connected to some IC I'm looking at
17:25:48t0mas1 end is connected to GND, and the other 2 are on the IC
17:26:05t0masand we think it's used as a reference voltage
17:26:27bluebrother^so it could be the 1 IC pin being a reference voltage.
17:26:37bluebrother^so you've got a voltage divider
17:26:58bluebrother^the resulting voltage (of the 3rd pin) is always somewhere in between GND and Aref
17:28:28bluebrother^need to go now. BBL (an hour or so)
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18:03:53ansiviruswhen my Archos JB FM is hooked up to my FM Modulator via RCA everything works fine but if I plug in my Car AC Adapter I get a god awful high pitched noise any idea what could be causing this?
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18:05:05ansivirusany one know what could cause that or how I might resolve that problem?
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19:22:51t0masnew electronics question :)
19:22:58bluebrother^ok ;-)
19:23:03t0masI have a Ti UA723
19:23:16t0masand it's supposed to become a power supply for lab experiments
19:23:31t0masit's connected to a AC 18v transformator...
19:23:48t0masit has a reference in from a variable resistor...
19:24:30t0masand the datasheet of that chip is:
19:24:55bluebrother^already found it at ;-)
19:25:34t0masthe power supply is a pile of components here... without a scheme on how to connect them... so we've come some way... but there are some open ends :)
19:27:32bluebrother^so ... what's exactly the problem?
19:27:46t0masthe problem is that we have no idea how to continue ;)
19:28:08bluebrother^I would start with the application note
19:28:11t0masso we're looking for some scheme on how to use that thing
19:28:41t0masthere is a variable resistor... supposed to set the A (ampere) level of the output, and it is connected to the output of the chip
19:28:45bluebrother^go to page 6
19:29:13t0maswich scheme>
19:29:40bluebrother^what type of output do you want to have?
19:30:29bluebrother^I mean ... you could use Fig.1 -> V=2~7V
19:30:44bluebrother^or Fig.2 -> V=7~27V
19:31:00t0mashm... I'll take a look at it
19:31:01bluebrother^what output voltage do you want?
19:31:17t0masvariable... but mainly 2 to 7 is ok
19:31:26bluebrother^ok. What current?
19:31:38bluebrother^the chip itself can do 150mA.
19:31:57bluebrother^if you don't want to have more -> Fig. 1
19:32:31bluebrother^if you want to get a higher current you need an external load transistor -> Fig. 5
19:33:32bluebrother^one of them should fit.
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19:35:48t0mas5 is ok
19:37:48stevenmDoes anyone here have a BDM ?
19:38:05*bluebrother^ not
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19:44:02t0maswe have something looking like fig 4
19:44:20t0masbut the output current should be adjustable
19:44:25bluebrother^a second ...
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19:45:12t0masthat regulated output is connected to the "right" pin of a variable resistor
19:45:21t0masand the middle and left pin are unkown now
19:45:39t0masto what should those 2 be connected?
19:45:43t0mashi XavierGR
19:46:04XavierGrt0mas: did you fixed the iriver firmware?
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19:47:33t0masXavierGr: no, still haven't had time to look at my iriver
19:48:33XavierGrso you seem very busy these days...
19:49:00t0masyes, I am
19:50:05bluebrother^it seems your var resistor is connected to CURR SENS, IN- and GND
19:50:13bluebrother^i.e. replacing R1 and R2
19:51:32bluebrother^like note 6 on page 4
19:52:01t0maserm... that makes the voltage adjustable
19:52:19t0masthis thing is supposed to make the A adjustable
19:52:30t0mas(we have that other one also)
19:52:49bluebrother^oh, ok.
19:52:52bluebrother^Misread :)
19:53:23t0mas(there is also a very large capicitator left... ghehe...)
19:54:02bluebrother^you have the device already built?
19:54:30t0masno, then we would have duplicated that onje
19:54:47t0masit is a pile of components... and a challenge to get em together :)
19:55:50XavierGrwhat are you building?
19:56:02t0masa power supply
19:56:20XavierGrfor fun or you want to power up something specific?
19:56:54t0masas a challenge
19:57:03t0masno real target to power yet :)
19:57:43XavierGrgood I wanted to build something like this in the past...
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20:04:12bluebrother^t0mas: you need to put it somehow to CURR LIM but I'm not sure how exactly
20:04:16bluebrother^at least for now :)
20:04:48t0masyou have 3 pins on a variable resistor
20:04:52t0mas1, 2 and 3
20:05:17t0mas3 is connected to the output from scheme 4
20:05:34t0masdesignated as "Regulated output." there
20:05:55t0mas1 and 2 are unkown :)
20:06:35bluebrother^is CURR SENS connected to somewhere?
20:06:48*t0mas checks
20:07:05t0masit's connected to the regulated output
20:07:09t0mas(as in scheme 4)
20:08:59*bluebrother^ has tomatos on his eyes
20:09:07bluebrother^or something similar.
20:09:26bluebrother^look at fig 6 −− there is it.
20:09:36bluebrother^R3 and R4 do the current limiting.
20:14:20t0masah ok
20:14:39t0masit doesn't fit in the things already there
20:15:25bluebrother^hmm. It's a bit tricky as I'm not into this OpAmp stuff.
20:17:58bluebrother^I'm away for the next ~20 mins. Need to go home ;-)
20:18:31XavierGrdoes anyone here what opendir() readdir() functions do?
20:18:52XavierGrI am confused as to their usability
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20:29:56XavierGrhi Linus!!!
20:30:09XavierGroh and preglow too
20:31:03XavierGrLinus: do you know what opendir() and readdir() does?
20:31:48stevenmHi LinusN
20:32:03stevenmLinusN, you have a BDM right ?
20:32:16LinusNXavierGr: yes i do
20:32:25LinusNstevenm: yes i do :-)
20:32:40preglowwhats up?
20:32:44preglowlots of neat coding?
20:32:54XavierGrIt's a long time since I saw one of you here
20:33:12preglowim moving to internet land in a weeks time, think ill be online much more often then
20:33:36stevenmLinusN, I have seen a schematic for a fairly simple (flip flops and nand shmitt triggers) BDM device.. PD_BDM I think it was called. Would this work for resurrecting a dead H3x0 from bad flashing?
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20:34:17LinusNmost simple bdm devices won't work on the coldfire because of sensitive clock timing
20:34:46LinusNpreglow: not much going on, i just came back from vacation
20:34:55stevenmLinusN, i mean this one-
20:35:00stevenmLinusN, that will not work?
20:35:13LinusNpreglow: i have an interesting problem for you if you are interested in libmad debugging
20:35:28stevenmLinusN, er
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20:36:12LinusNstevenm: no, a cpu32 bdm won't cut it i'm afraid
20:36:38stevenmLinusN, anything I can build out of PIC chips?
20:37:35LinusNstevenm: not really, you would need a PAL/GAL
20:37:52stevenmLinusN, i remember those being annoying, and expensive
20:38:22stevenmLinusN, I want to continue working on midi, but i need a device now... and if i ever get paid at work, i'm gonnag et an h3x0.. wondering if i can help out on the bootloader too, but need bdm first
20:39:02XavierGrMidi on iriver, that is a good cause...
20:39:41stevenmXavierGr, 78% realtime atm.. but the soundset is really good
20:40:16LinusNstevenm: i see
20:41:03XavierGrwooo! nice indeed for a midi lover
20:41:23XavierGrso do you think that you can optimize it to realtime?
20:44:04stevenmXavierGr, it is possible.. right now, it will probably run realtime (or close) if you drop the output sampling rate to like 11Khz
20:44:40stevenmXavierGr, we were optimistic about it, because you can still do optimization in ASM, and all that emac stuff.. but I onlt have a computer, not an actual device, so I can't do anything with assembly yet
20:45:18XavierGrso why no produce a 11khz build for commit? I have a lot of midis!
20:45:41stevenmXavierGr, well.. it doesn't actually OUTPUT sound
20:45:52stevenmXavierGr, if you have a sim, you can use it to play sound thru the computer
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20:46:27stevenmXavierGr, the problem is, the thing is a plugin, not really a codec. and I hear that the plugin api does not have yet support for outputting sound
20:47:14XavierGryeah I think thats true (though there is a patch for metronome plugin that outputs something like a sound)
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21:25:10LinusNthe hebrew bidirectional patch is finally commited
21:27:21XavierGrIt's been a long time since last commit... :p
21:27:35XavierGrThings are quite quite here!
21:28:14LinusNsummer, you know
21:29:09prethomtons of things i want to do, just need a dev env
21:29:12XavierGryeah, I am like the house type person, though I went to my village for a week.
21:29:27XavierGrDid you go any vacations Linus?
21:30:29LinusNyes, i went to an island on the west coast of sweden
21:31:57Nobbylinus, any chance of taking a look at the forums? theres a fix for the volume-change-lag bug
21:34:41LinusNi'm not a fan of inserting sleep() calls to solve timing problems
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21:41:00Psy-Deadisnt a sleep call a better thing than a bug? at least until a proper fix is found
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21:41:37LinusNPsy-Dead: just like painkillers to cure an aching tooth
21:42:07nobbypainkillers are still useful until you can go to the dentist :)
21:42:24FebsAh, but until the tooth is properly cured, I'd rather have the painkillers than suffer the pain!
21:42:35LinusNoh yes, but in this case the workaround will hide the bug and it won't get fixed properly
21:43:05XavierGrAt least code can't get used to painkillers so...
21:43:17LinusNno addiction problem
21:43:31nobbyalso, something seems wrong with the automatic CVS build thingy
21:43:32nobby2005-08-08 19:23Build expected to complete around 19:34
21:43:40nobbytime is now 19:48
21:45:34nobbyand the homepage isnt showing the commit at all
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21:48:20LinusNthe time estimate is sometimes wrong
21:48:32nobbyits way off
21:48:43nobbystill not built
21:49:00mrbigglesworthif i were to use an Iriver H-1x0 regularly as an external harddrive, would that lower its life expectancy?
21:50:25LinusNnobby: it's done now
21:50:43LinusNmrbigglesworth: probably
21:50:47leftrightthe Hard Drive has a life of 300,000 hours MTBF
21:51:11leftrightaccording to the manufacturer
21:51:28mrbigglesworth300,000 hours of accessing, i presume?
21:51:44leftrightMean Time Between Failures
21:52:01XavierGrwell I've got 2 hard drives! 1: 40GB and 2:60GB lucky me! :)
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21:57:55nobbyrockblox anyone?
21:58:30nobbyand chached level data for sokoban (for newbs like me who retry a lot)
22:00:16XavierGrgotta go later all!
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22:01:34saohi all
22:02:03saosomeone can help with wps writing ?
22:02:34nobbywhat do you need?
22:05:55*nobby slaps sao around a bit with a large trout
22:06:05saosry nobby
22:06:14saois it possible to display a cover ?
22:06:19nobbynot yet
22:06:26saoplanned so ?
22:06:38nobbyi dont think anyone is working on it right now
22:06:59nobbythe problem is that the CPU must be at 120MHZ to use 33 shade greyscale
22:07:04saooh oh
22:07:07nobbyso it'd use too much battery power
22:07:21nobbyunless you had 3 shade grey covers, which'd look shit
22:07:31saook, lol
22:08:09saoanother question, is it possible to combine 2 infos on same line, one left aligned, second right aligned ?
22:08:58nobbytheres a patch allowing that
22:09:09nobbybut i think it causes a few bugs
22:09:22saohuh k
22:09:24nobbywhat I would do would be to centre align it and pad it out with spaces
22:09:45bluebrother^have been using that patch for ~2 weeks but not recognized any "new" bugs
22:10:09saok thought about it but when displaying dynamic things ... :o~
22:10:28nobbyis linus still here?
22:10:41nobbysince he does 99% of the patch commiting :)
22:10:46nobbyHINT HINT LINUS :P
22:10:59*nobby pokes LinusN with a stick
22:12:05nobbyit wasnt sharp :P
22:12:31saoalso, any <HR> possibility as in html ?
22:12:36saocould be a good tag
22:12:43nobbywhats <HR> do?
22:13:26prethomno one done any more work on speex?
22:13:28saoline crossing screen
22:13:37nobbydone :P
22:13:46saothx underscores
22:13:58nobbyor draw one in a BMP and use that
22:14:42saoalso ? while usb connected ? possible to browse & test wps ?
22:14:59nobbyusb mode takes over the HDD
22:15:02nobbyso no browsing
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22:15:29nobbyits all hardware controlled, rockbox simply detects it and shows a usb logo
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22:16:28saok nobby
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22:23:14webguest31I've also been using (Enable multiple align tags in wps) for a while with no ill effects
22:24:18*nobby slaps LinusN around a bit with a large trout
22:25:27*LinusN is hunting down the volume lag bug
22:25:52webguest31Any progress?
22:25:59LinusNi seem to have found it
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22:26:21Toni1hi there
22:26:23webguest31Haven't had it much. Don't change volume too much
22:26:43LinusNnobby: ironically enough, a sleep() is the cure here :-)
22:26:52Toni1can anyone help me with fmradio on iriver?
22:27:04LinusNToni1: what about it?
22:27:13nobbyLinus, from now on assume i'm allways right and commit everything i tell you ;P
22:27:25Toni1I tried to get i2c driver running but no response from the tuner
22:27:26nobbystart with the multi-align patch :D
22:28:00Toni1Is there a GPIO pin dedicated to power up the tuner?
22:28:15LinusNnot to my knowledge
22:28:32Toni1how about BUSENABLE
22:29:13webguest31woo, someone looking at fm
22:30:01Toni1yea I tried, but no luck.
22:30:24LinusNToni1: hang on, i'll check busenable
22:32:38prethomwhy hasnt austriancoder commited his radio stuff yet? he said he had it working
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22:33:10Toni1His HDD crashed :(
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22:33:39preglowgoes for learning you to commit early :/
22:33:52nobbycommit early commit often
22:33:56nobbyjust like saving
22:39:04webguest31Well it did initiate the iaudio port so it's not all bad
22:42:05preglowno, i belive the fried h140 did that, heh
22:44:23LinusNToni1: busenable is not connected at all
22:44:31LinusNi guess it's pulled up internally
22:44:56LinusNToni1: which i2c address do you use?
22:45:35Toni1LinusN: I tried 0xC0
22:45:42LinusNthat's correct
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22:46:11Toni1LinusN: Did you check also the BUSMODE pin. Is it possible that iriver uses "3 wire mode" for communication?
22:46:25LinusNbusmode is grounded
22:47:07LinusNaustriancoder had it working with i2c before his hdd/iriver crash
22:47:33Toni1LinusN: Yes, only question is, how?
22:48:37Moosmaybe his patch can help you
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22:50:02preglowhe kept the code on his iriver???????
22:50:11MasterShadowcan anyone help me?
22:50:13MasterShadowI have got a failure
22:50:15webguest31With a bit of luck, he remembers.
22:50:42Toni1OK, I will ask him when he is online.
22:50:46MasterShadowafter I started the makedbj.bat
22:50:54MasterShadowI have got this failure:
22:51:22preglowand i take it no one has heard any more from the musepack people? :PPP
22:51:24MoosToni1: did you take a look in his i2c patch?
22:52:26Toni1Moos: Yes, basically it adds "read" on i2c. I only tried "write".
22:52:42Moosa ok
22:53:21Toni1Moos: But there is no acknowledge after writing a command.
22:54:01LinusNreboot time
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22:54:14Toni1Have to go. Bye all.
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22:56:45Bagdergood evening fellows
22:57:44LinusNBagder: shalom
22:58:03Bagderend of vacation?
22:58:37matslBagder: god kväll
22:59:00Bagdermatsl: got the sim working?
22:59:25matslBagder: nope. haven't upgraded glibc yet
23:01:57webguest31Bagder: any chance of updating since24.html?
23:03:14Bagderhang on
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23:06:03Bagderat 890K now
23:06:53webguest31Harsh.. did the release plans die out?
23:07:33Bagderwe need a "release manager"
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23:16:26preglownot a very consuming job
23:16:38preglowbut a very uninteresting one :)
23:18:49webguest31I assume it involves keeping check of developers and approving/discussing changes during a freeze, and then doing the final files, announcements etc
23:19:15Bagdersomething like that, yes
23:19:25Bagderthe release would need to be a branch
23:19:36Bagderso it would probably involve some merges from the head etc
23:20:07Bagderat least that's how I view it
23:20:36solexHow many "core developers" are there?
23:20:39webguest31Hrm, any problem in just holding back changes for a week or two?
23:20:50Bagdersolex: it depends on how you define the term
23:21:04Bagderwebguest31: yes, people don't like that
23:21:18Bagderdevs people that is
23:21:31Bagderespecially since the release is not meant for iriver
23:21:35solexBadger: people committing on a regular basis for the last couple of months
23:21:45Bagdersolex: ~15
23:21:46webguest31They should just test their enhancements further before getting them committed!
23:22:06webguest31But yeah, I see what you mean
23:22:31webguest31A branch would be less painful to everyone (but more annoying to the release manager)
23:23:02LinusNanother problem is that very few developers can test on all devices
23:23:03HClwhy don't people get that cvs means development and bleeding edge and not meant for the end-user
23:23:18HClif you want a stable release, use the official releases :/
23:23:28webguest31Problem is that the stable release is oooold
23:23:40BagderHCl: we don't do releases, that's why
23:23:42ssabwow debian is getting on my last nerve today
23:23:49HClBagder: we should do one sometime soon..
23:23:51Bagder2.4 is oooooooooold
23:23:56HClcause 2.4 is indeed too old
23:23:57BagderHCl: yes
23:24:55webguest31Just look at the ReleaseNotes wiki page
23:24:58nobbywhatever happened about the feature freeze?
23:25:01webguest31and that's over a month out of date
23:25:14Bagderso we need a release manager
23:25:16HClkind of wondering that too nobby
23:25:50Bagderthen reread what I've written here just now
23:26:02*HCl doesn't know what a release manager is..
23:26:10Bagdersomeone who works on setting a release up
23:26:24Bagdersetup a branch
23:26:28webguest31I'm kindof thinking that a release would come sooner with just a "dumb" freeze
23:26:32Bagdermerge in bug fixes
23:26:51Bagderwebguest31: yes it would
23:26:51HCli thought you were talking about software or something
23:27:15BagderI could indeed live with a "dumb" freeze
23:27:18preglowme too
23:27:27preglowif it gets the job done
23:27:51HClwhats a dumb freeze?
23:28:04webguest31Not creating a branch, just stopping commits
23:28:09webguest31(except for fixes)
23:28:24HCli have two last things i kind of want in before the release..
23:28:38HCla) runtime database on archos (a simple matter of adding the buffer events)
23:28:47HClb) runtime database even without a tagdatabase present
23:28:53HCla is more urgent than b
23:29:05HCli can live without b in the release, but i think a should be in the release..
23:30:22BagderI would like a freeze yesterday
23:30:32Bagderso if you can do this within a few days then sure
23:30:49Bagderthat's me
23:32:13preglowdo you block commit access, or just ask devs nicely to not commit?
23:32:22Bagderjust asking
23:32:28webguest31How about setting a date, say a week or two in the future, freezing then, releasing two weeks later, come hell or high water
23:32:43webguest31That'd give a fair warning for people wanting to get something done
23:32:44Bagderyes, that's how we've done it in the past
23:32:59preglowid like a freeze really soon, really, a release is long overdue and theres not much activity these days anyway
23:33:37BagderLinusN: what do you think?
23:34:18LinusNi hoped to get the a-b repeat in the release
23:34:57webguest31any idea how far off that is?
23:34:59Bagderso what if we freeze on monday 22nd ?
23:35:24Bagderthat's about two weeks away
23:35:27LinusNsound ok to me
23:35:45Bagderthen let's do it this way
23:35:45Moosand remote or fm for iriver?
23:35:59webguest31Moos: irrelevant, this is not an iriver release
23:36:19webguest31but it won't get in during 22nd->release
23:36:31Bagderok, I'll post an announcement about it
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23:39:59webguest31Informative commit messages! Informative commit messages! My kingdom for informative commit messages!
23:39:59nobbyif you found the solution to the volume bug, why havent you commited the fix
23:40:41webguest31(tags like "[iriver]" "[ondio]" etc., but I ask too much, I know)
23:41:39LinusNwebguest31: not all commits apply to only one target
23:42:08LinusNwebguest31: and the commit messages are not for the release notes
23:42:09Bagderbut I agree that the commit messages can get more informative
23:42:21LinusNi agree too
23:42:49LinusNbut as i said, the commit messages reflect what changes were made in the code
23:43:03webguest31LinusN: I know, but there could be other categories [charging] etc.. I'm proposing a system like that
23:43:10webguest31I'm *not*
23:44:07webguest31Just idly complaining a bit.
23:45:24Bagderok, announcement coming up
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23:46:21webguest31Heh, most bugfixes by now are to features introduced after 2.4
23:47:09webguest31"New poweroff handling, using the SYS_POWEROFF event, allowing plugins to save their settings before powering off." this seems like a genuine fix though
23:47:42webguest31I guess that falls under "development changes"
23:52:44preglowwhat about commits touching iriver only files? (dsp.c, for example)
23:53:13Bagderfor conveniance, I think we should avoid that too
23:53:41preglowyeah, agreed
23:53:45Bagderwe should use the time to focus on bug fixes
23:54:47preglowiriver fixes as well? even though they wont be "visible" in the release?
23:55:31webguest31Might as well
23:55:34Bagderwell, many iriver fixes are affecting the generic code portions
23:55:55preglowyeah, sure, i kind of mean the iriver exclusive ones
23:56:06Bagderbut we could use the time to fix bugs, even in the iriver only case imho
23:56:17preglowyes, again agreed
23:56:39Bagdershouldering up on a joint effort to fix flaws
23:57:26preglowstuffing this on the front page as well is probably a good idea
23:57:48preglowi think some devs actually dont read the mailing list
23:58:22webguest31'"Bugfix" by Langlois Florian (Chamois on IRC), we forgot to change this one.'
23:58:26webguest31Wonder what that did
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