| 00:00:28 | amiconn | LinusN: Do you remember where these SWAB16() and SWAB32() macros are used on iriver? |
| 00:00:30 | Bagder | hshah: that happens when you've changed things that were change in the repo |
| 00:00:40 | ]RowaN[ | leftright: that would b a waste of time and space, and needless duplication |
| 00:00:54 | ]RowaN[ | and you cant sync coz id3v1 has 30char limit |
| 00:01:10 | stripwax_ | just looking at cvs logs for songdb.pl −− we're on database v3 already?! so are both the TagDatabase and DatabaseV2 wiki pages out of date? |
| 00:01:34 | Bagder | stripwax_: I would guess that only HCl can answer to that |
| 00:01:49 | Bagder | too many things in db land happens without docs |
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| 00:01:50 | ]RowaN[ | Paul_The_Nerd: how long should it take for the midi processing? mine seems to have gotten stuck on the "hope this works" screen |
| 00:02:03 | stripwax_ | Bagder - yeah |
| 00:02:17 | stripwax_ | ]RowaN[ - how long is the file? |
| 00:02:25 | ]RowaN[ | a few minutes i think |
| 00:02:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just wait it out |
| 00:02:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | It takes quite a bit longer than the file. |
| 00:02:44 | ]RowaN[ | 5 "tracks" in the midi |
| 00:03:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Let me know if you get any audible output, or a resulting file or anything |
| 00:03:09 | ]RowaN[ | k |
| 00:03:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mine just eventually says "Finished playing" and drops me back to the file system. |
| 00:05:02 | Bagder | committed minor help text to songdb.pl −−help |
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| 00:05:13 | ]RowaN[ | ah finished.. |
| 00:05:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | See, takes a while. |
| 00:05:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Any results? |
| 00:06:24 | ]RowaN[ | wheres it supposed to be? root? |
| 00:06:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | I do not know |
| 00:06:47 | Bagder | openneo surely has very little rockbox resemblence these days |
| 00:06:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | In fact, it's only on someone else's "I think it's supposed to..." that I even assume there *might* be a file |
| 00:07:05 | ]RowaN[ | i dont see anything |
| 00:07:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | I suspect that it renders it to WAV, but never actually saves it, or something |
| 00:07:14 | amiconn | I have shortened the SWAB32 code on iriver from 38 to 18 bytes, with asm... |
| 00:08:01 | ]RowaN[ | oh well, i tried =] |
| 00:08:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 00:08:41 | ]RowaN[ | and failed ='[ |
| 00:08:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | I look forward to MIDI support should it ever come, but I'm not gonna lose sleep over it. |
| 00:09:09 | stripwax_ | Bagder - lol. yeah ,what *do* those options actually do :-) |
| 00:09:20 | leftright | jusr curious, what would you use MIDI for ? |
| 00:09:35 | ]RowaN[ | midi = digital sheet music |
| 00:09:40 | ]RowaN[ | fun to hear sometimes =] |
| 00:10:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Music from a bunch of old SCUMM games, here. |
| 00:10:57 | leftright | what would a practical application of it be on your player ? |
| 00:11:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | How do you mean leftright? |
| 00:12:03 | leftright | why would you have MIDI on a DAP |
| 00:12:27 | stripwax_ | to listen to presumably |
| 00:13:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 00:13:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Same reason I have any other format. |
| 00:13:40 | leftright | mp3 =midi ? |
| 00:14:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | midis are very very much smaller, not counting the patchset, and if you have enough of them it makes up for it. |
| 00:14:10 | stripwax_ | Bagder - thanks, by the way. songdb.pl seems realy slow but then again, I'm running it on a 133Mhz nas |
| 00:14:32 | Bagder | stripwax_: yeah, its the dreaded crc stuff that makes it slow |
| 00:14:38 | Bagder | we should make an option to disable that |
| 00:14:47 | Bagder | that's only needed when the runtimedb is used |
| 00:15:26 | Bagder | it loads 32K out of every song and runs a crc32 on it |
| 00:15:44 | stripwax_ | Bagder - yep; that's what I'd like to try out anyway so I guess I need it to be slow ... does songdb.pl still rebuild the entire tag database every time it's run? e.g. if I rerun it again, will it take ages next time too? |
| 00:15:54 | Bagder | yes |
| 00:16:10 | Bagder | lots of room for improvement ;-) |
| 00:16:49 | stripwax_ | definitely. hrm, maybe I'll take a look at it |
| 00:21:07 | Bagder | ok, I added a −−nocrc option |
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| 00:22:25 | Shebb | midi is just a collection of notes and other information |
| 00:22:48 | Shebb | What is nice about the files is you can actually see musically what you are playing |
| 00:22:59 | Bagder | sleeeeeep |
| 00:23:30 | stripwax_ | Bagder cheers dude. |
| 00:41:37 | ]RowaN[ | whats rockbox like on iriver h320 compared to on h120? |
| 00:42:37 | ]RowaN[ | or.. not on h320 yet? |
| 00:42:47 | LinusN | not on h320 yet |
| 00:43:02 | ]RowaN[ | h300 isnt h320? |
| 00:44:21 | LinusN | you're referring to the daily builds? |
| 00:44:43 | ]RowaN[ | yep i guess |
| 00:44:57 | LinusN | h300 is noth h32 and h340 |
| 00:45:01 | LinusN | both |
| 00:45:10 | LinusN | but we don't have a bootloader yet |
| 00:45:13 | Febs | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverFAQ#Will_Rockbox_be_released_for_the |
| 00:50:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Y'know, I've always meant to ask, what's the non-effort iFP stuff? |
| 00:50:38 | stripwax_ | "non-effort"? |
| 00:51:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, there's a page that says little more than "We're not porting to this, but this page is here to collect data for the non-effort." |
| 00:51:57 | stripwax_ | heh, yeah. well, the firmware's decrypted but I think that's probably about it |
| 00:53:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was just curious why the page is there if it's officially not a target, or maybe just why it isn't one. |
| 00:54:01 | LinusN | the guys working on the decryption used the wiki to document it |
| 00:54:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | It says 'overall project | not happening, see above' but "above" offers no more information. |
| 00:54:22 | * | Paul_The_Nerd shrugs. |
| 00:54:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just a curiosity thing, really. |
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| 01:12:05 | edkent | Hi. Today rockbox(running on an IRiver 140) has stopped recognising when the usb cable is unplug, and just sits there in usb mode. This happens in both the bootloader usb mode and the main firmware, and the only way to get out is to push the reset button. The original IRiver firmware still works fine. Any ideas anyone? Thanks. |
| 01:12:29 | LinusN | this was fixed a few hours ago |
| 01:12:47 | LinusN | try the bleeding edge build or wait a few hours for the next daily |
| 01:13:13 | edkent | Thanks, will give it a try... |
| 01:13:20 | LinusN | enjoy |
| 01:14:31 | * | leftright is now playing Ani Difranco - Little Plastic Castles (it sounds beautiful) :) |
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| 01:16:08 | edkent | Hmm, no joy with the bleeding edge build |
| 01:16:33 | leftright | make sire all the files are replaced |
| 01:16:41 | leftright | sire=sure |
| 01:18:22 | leftright | edkent: to be sure, the bleeding edge builds are located at the bottom of the web page |
| 01:18:53 | LinusN | edkent: wait, you say this happens in the boot loader usb mode as well? |
| 01:19:15 | LinusN | maybe i didn't read your error description thoroughly |
| 01:19:34 | edkent | yep, positive |
| 01:19:54 | LinusN | the "stays-in-usb" bug is not fixed, and seems to only affect a few of the players out there |
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| 01:20:41 | edkent | hmm. It only started doing it today after I installed bootloader v5 |
| 01:21:03 | edkent | Have tried going back to v3 with no joy though |
| 01:21:06 | LinusN | which loader did you have before that? |
| 01:21:09 | LinusN | ok |
| 01:21:56 | edkent | It was v3. Worked fine then, but not any more |
| 01:22:18 | LinusN | it seems that rockbox doesn't detect the usb in the correct way |
| 01:22:51 | XavierGr | Hmm I just got a very annoying bug. |
| 01:22:52 | LinusN | but i have problems finding out how we do it wrong, because it works on all my players... :-( |
| 01:23:04 | edkent | Anything i can do to help? |
| 01:23:57 | XavierGr | I just recorded something within the iriver firmware and now Rockbox refuses to boot. |
| 01:24:17 | XavierGr | USB works on the bootloader but when I start the player it hangs. |
| 01:24:18 | LinusN | edkent: i'd like to have your email address |
| 01:24:24 | amiconn | LinusN: I noticed a bug in the file type association |
| 01:24:25 | LinusN | XavierGr: scandisk |
| 01:24:33 | LinusN | amiconn: oh? |
| 01:24:35 | XavierGr | Strange is that the iRiver firmware is booting fine.. |
| 01:24:47 | amiconn | It happens since you bound .nfo to the text viewer |
| 01:25:03 | LinusN | amiconn: oops :-) |
| 01:25:09 | amiconn | I have a disk.info file in my archos root (guess what that is ;) ). |
| 01:25:18 | amiconn | It shouldn't show up as supported... |
| 01:25:51 | amiconn | Obviously .info != .nfo |
| 01:26:37 | LinusN | oh |
| 01:26:52 | midk | good going, LINUS. sheesh! :) |
| 01:27:11 | LinusN | my amiga doesn't even have usb |
| 01:27:21 | XavierGr | Also my main concern is that I think my player is faulty... |
| 01:27:29 | amiconn | LinusN: Mine has :) |
| 01:27:43 | amiconn | Higway USB with Poseidon USB stack |
| 01:27:48 | amiconn | *Highway |
| 01:28:35 | XavierGr | Linus in the normal firmware when you set the volume (from 30 - 40) can you hear a faint pop whenever the volume changes? |
| 01:28:52 | LinusN | XavierGr: haven't tried |
| 01:29:10 | LinusN | yours does? |
| 01:29:34 | XavierGr | I was waiting Slasheri's pop fix. When I found that I get again the starting pop. Then I loded iRiver and it pops too. |
| 01:29:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Are you listening through the remote? |
| 01:29:51 | XavierGr | Also the volume change pops in the high volumes |
| 01:30:04 | XavierGr | No i know about the remote which it pops too. |
| 01:30:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, I figured you would, but you never know. |
| 01:30:16 | edkent | LinusN: Would be possible to add a manual usb mode exit command until the bug is fixed? |
| 01:30:28 | leftright | I'm using latest and it doesn't pop |
| 01:30:55 | XavierGr | leftright: I believe you I just say that even in iriver firmware it pops. |
| 01:30:55 | LinusN | edkent: i'll look into it |
| 01:31:03 | edkent | Thanks |
| 01:31:11 | amiconn | LinusN: wut have you done to the fmr builds? |
| 01:31:41 | XavierGr | And I remember that some days before (though I am not sure I use rockbox a lot) there wasn't any popping in iriver firmware. |
| 01:31:50 | amiconn | Hmm, no A-B for Ondio? |
| 01:32:14 | LinusN | amiconn: /usr/local/sh-gcc/lib/gcc-lib/sh-elf/3.3.4/../../../../sh-elf/bin/ld: region FLASH is full (build-recorderv2/apps/rombox.elf section .rodata) |
| 01:32:39 | LinusN | amiconn: not yet, i guess he didn't have an ondio to try with (keymap props as usual) |
| 01:32:46 | LinusN | probs |
| 01:34:09 | amiconn | Hmm, the A-B repeat event code sends an event on every tick??!!?? |
| 01:34:35 | LinusN | yes i think it does that right now |
| 01:35:28 | amiconn | Who is Bj�n Stenberg? ;) |
| 01:36:31 | amiconn | (aka why did you change that line to utf-8?) |
| 01:37:03 | LinusN | why i did it? |
| 01:37:12 | LinusN | or why Ray Lambert did it? |
| 01:39:04 | LinusN | fixed now |
| 01:39:52 | LinusN | i committed the a-b repeat just to have it in 2.5, i intend to clean up some things before release |
| 01:40:28 | amiconn | LinusN: The error for fm and v2 is a different one: |
| 01:40:36 | amiconn | Build firmware file |
| 01:40:36 | amiconn | error: max firmware size is 200KB! |
| 01:40:36 | amiconn | make[1]: *** [build-fmrecorder/ajbrec.ajz] Error 255 |
| 01:40:59 | LinusN | error: max firmware size is 200KB! |
| 01:41:00 | amiconn | booom! :( |
| 01:41:02 | LinusN | ouch |
| 01:41:26 | LinusN | i guess we have a problem |
| 01:42:00 | LinusN | i'll look into that tomorrow, now i have to get some sleep |
| 01:42:00 | amiconn | Yes we do, and I expected that rather sooner than later with the current rate of featuritis |
| 01:42:10 | LinusN | :-) |
| 01:43:08 | amiconn | Btw, did you actually try if the 200KB limit still holds for the fmr? |
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| 01:43:31 | amiconn | Iiuc this was tested on player back then, and perhaps on rec v1 |
| 01:43:42 | amiconn | I know that it does not hold for Ondio |
| 01:44:09 | LinusN | amiconn: i did try it the last time i applied the patch, but it must have grown since then |
| 01:44:52 | LinusN | anyway, i gotta sleep now, cu tomorrow |
| 01:44:56 | XavierGr | wow only 200kB? |
| 01:45:01 | XavierGr | bye and good night/ |
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| 01:45:50 | amiconn | I warned him this evening... [23:24:34] <amiconn> LinusN: 1632 bytes left for fmrecorder... (gcc 3.3.6) |
| 01:47:35 | leftright | guess there's going to be some culling then :) |
| 01:48:29 | XavierGr | so is that going to be the end for fmrecorder improvements? |
| 01:49:08 | amiconn | I think it is the beginning of serious cleanup & optimisation |
| 01:51:05 | amiconn | Interesting: I'm using sh-elf-gcc 3.3.6, and leads to slightly smaller binaries than 3.3.1 used on the server. |
| 01:51:13 | amiconn | gcc 3.3.6 makes it fit! |
| 01:51:25 | amiconn | It is a really really tight fit though: |
| 01:51:54 | amiconn | 200KB == 204800 bytes. Binary size is 204768 bytes, so there are 32 bytes left (!!) |
| 01:52:47 | XavierGr | !! |
| 01:53:15 | XavierGr | so if you make a char array 33 characters longer it will hit error. haha |
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| 01:54:09 | XavierGr | It will be fun to see those 32 bytes will be used to... :p |
| 01:54:20 | XavierGr | ^where |
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| 02:02:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | I kinda love the fact that it's 32 bytes left. A nice, upstanding number. |
| 02:09:46 | amiconn | I'll look into the code where to save some bytes. I already saved 48 (ok not much, but that's just one source file) |
| 02:10:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, it's time for an audit, 'eh? |
| 02:12:51 | amiconn | I know there are more inefficient things and unnecesary code duplication |
| 02:13:22 | amiconn | I consider it a serious bug if rockbox doesn't build due to being too fat |
| 02:15:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's kinda sad that it's hitting the size limitation. |
| 02:17:23 | amiconn | Well, only partially |
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| 02:17:48 | amiconn | It forces us to optimise, and optimisation is a good thing |
| 02:18:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Quite true, I guess. |
| 02:18:34 | amiconn | I have some candidates which I know will save at least a little space |
| 02:20:15 | amiconn | (1) Hunting unused functions. I already did this once, I will do it again |
| 02:20:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Do functions get orphaned often? |
| 02:21:00 | amiconn | (2) Turning empty functions (per platform) into empty #defines. Saves 4 bytes for the function itself, plus some space for every call |
| 02:21:46 | amiconn | (3) There are multiple places that define various endian conversion functions |
| 02:22:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why are there empty functions? |
| 02:22:31 | amiconn | (4) Things like those I did for the switch(){} in mp3data.c I just committed |
| 02:23:18 | amiconn | Some functions are only needed on certain platforms, but encapsulating each call of these with #ifdef BLAH ... #endif doesn't exactly help readability, |
| 02:23:36 | amiconn | so the typical solution was to #ifdef the function body |
| 02:23:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah |
| 02:23:46 | amiconn | ...leaving an empty function |
| 02:23:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Gotcha |
| 02:25:32 | amiconn | re orphaned functions: There are some functions just defined for completeness of a certain sub-system which aren't used by any current code |
| 02:25:41 | amiconn | The menu system is one such example |
| 02:26:19 | amiconn | It has functions for moving entries around which aren't used |
| 02:26:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | But they're there on the assumption that in the future they may be needed? |
| 02:26:51 | amiconn | Yes |
| 02:27:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Fair enough |
| 02:27:34 | XavierGr | great now I will have to format my player. |
| 02:30:37 | XavierGr | Oh it is getting better it says that it cant format it. |
| 02:32:10 | XavierGr | have to log out for the format later all. |
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| 02:37:37 | XavierGr | pheww the format worked...now I have rockbox up and running again. |
| 02:38:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Whew. |
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| 07:36:16 | tvelocity | morning |
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| 08:02:10 | B4gder | LinusN: are you op-able in here? |
| 08:02:21 | LinusN | yup |
| 08:02:25 | B4gder | I thought we could update the topic |
| 08:02:31 | Mode | "#rockbox +o LinusN " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 08:02:31 | B4gder | about the freeze |
| 08:02:36 | amiconn | morning, and hi Mr. rockbox-on-fmr-breaker ;) |
| 08:02:45 | Rick | Update the topic?! Heresy! |
| 08:02:52 | Topic | "The 2.5 feature freeze is here!" by LinusN (n=linus@labb.contactor.se) |
| 08:03:26 | LinusN | amiconn: good morning, mr whine-about-everything :-) |
| 08:03:36 | amiconn | LinusN: Btw, I don't know whether you readf the log, so quick info: Updating to gcc 3.3.6 should temporarily fix the fm/v2 build |
| 08:03:48 | LinusN | aha |
| 08:03:53 | * | LinusN just logged on |
| 08:04:01 | amiconn | The little extra gain in code size is enough |
| 08:04:12 | amiconn | gcc 3.3.6 leaves 80 bytes (!) now |
| 08:04:26 | LinusN | ooo |
| 08:04:32 | amiconn | It was 32, but I already did a slight optimisation |
| 08:04:35 | B4gder | does the daily fit? |
| 08:04:58 | LinusN | no |
| 08:05:20 | amiconn | B4gder: There are no fm/fm8/v2 dailies for today :( |
| 08:05:26 | B4gder | :-( |
| 08:05:40 | B4gder | pain |
| 08:06:03 | * | LinusN starts the code liposuction |
| 08:06:36 | amiconn | I consider this code tightness a big bug, so I'll go through as much code as possible to check for optimisations |
| 08:06:52 | LinusN | i have started with bookmark.c |
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| 08:07:06 | B4gder | yeah, it is a bug |
| 08:07:28 | LinusN | playlist.c is huge |
| 08:07:29 | amiconn | I'll also check for empty functions, dead code etc |
| 08:07:35 | LinusN | goodie |
| 08:07:44 | amiconn | see last night's log about some points |
| 08:08:28 | LinusN | i'm reading |
| 08:08:32 | amiconn | I already did one such things in mpeg.c during my cleanup. Changing an empty function into an empty macro does not only save the 4 bytes of the function itself |
| 08:09:06 | amiconn | It also saves some code for every call |
| 08:09:33 | LinusN | no need to save registers etc |
| 08:09:49 | LinusN | better register allocation |
| 08:10:14 | amiconn | Yes, and not loading the function address, call, and perhaps fill the delay slot with a nop |
| 08:11:31 | amiconn | Btw, I agree that the bookmark code is really big compared to what it does |
| 08:24:03 | LinusN | i'm trimming it now |
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| 08:33:19 | B4gder | hey Z |
| 08:33:23 | LinusN | yo Zagor |
| 08:33:54 | Zagor | hi |
| 08:43:40 | LinusN | hmm, it hasn't struck me that a bookmark also contains the repeat mode and shuffle settings... |
| 08:43:55 | LinusN | so it will change those when loading a bookmark |
| 08:44:16 | LinusN | i can't decide if it is a good or a bad thing :-) |
| 08:44:31 | Zagor | sounds wrong to me |
| 08:44:34 | B4gder | I think its good |
| 08:44:44 | B4gder | at least the way I'd use the bookmarks |
| 08:45:02 | LinusN | when you think about it, you don't want to start listening to an audio book and keep the shuffle enabled |
| 08:45:09 | Zagor | i can see it both ways actually |
| 08:45:39 | B4gder | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1325 |
| 08:47:01 | LinusN | B4gder: here we go... ;-) |
| 08:47:07 | B4gder | yeah |
| 08:47:08 | LinusN | quite expected |
| 08:47:24 | B4gder | and that's why I'll dismiss this immediately |
| 08:48:24 | LinusN | absolutely |
| 08:54:09 | amiconn | LinusN: I think it is correct that bookmarks contain the shuffle & repeat settings |
| 08:54:33 | LinusN | me too |
| 08:55:12 | LinusN | somehow you would wish that they were temporary, but that would be a nightmare to implement |
| 08:59:13 | amiconn | That would require a way to detect when a bookmark has 'finished' playing |
| 08:59:31 | B4gder | the nightmare part that would be ;-) |
| 08:59:38 | LinusN | exactly |
| 08:59:55 | amiconn | There are basically 2 points when this would happen |
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| 09:00:11 | Zagor | ...or an option to ignore the settings of the bookmark. which tends to get quite messy user-wise. |
| 09:00:21 | amiconn | (1) User starts playing another dir/playlist without using a bookmark |
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| 09:00:43 | amiconn | (2) The bookmark sets repeat to off, and the playlist ends |
| 09:01:17 | amiconn | However, that would need to be tracked across reboots, with the original shuffle & repeat settings saved as well... |
| 09:01:33 | B4gder | let's not go there |
| 09:01:40 | LinusN | my brain hurts! |
| 09:02:13 | LinusN | nobody has complained so far |
| 09:05:37 | amiconn | If you see bookmarks as an extended resume feature, the current behaviour is correct |
| 09:05:53 | LinusN | i think so too |
| 09:08:26 | CoCoLUS | with the feature freeze in place, such thoughts are inane anyway for some time, right? :) |
| 09:08:51 | LinusN | CoCoLUS: that depends if it is a bug or not :-) |
| 09:09:01 | LinusN | let's just forget it |
| 09:09:22 | * | B4gder forgets |
| 09:09:37 | LinusN | forgets what? ;-) |
| 09:10:11 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 09:10:33 | CoCoLUS | i wonder how many exceptions are going to be made |
| 09:10:42 | amiconn | B4gder: I hope you don't forget localisation v2 ;) |
| 09:10:54 | LinusN | a huge bug! :-) |
| 09:10:54 | amiconn | That might help saving some space btw... |
| 09:11:00 | B4gder | hehe |
| 09:12:59 | amiconn | I have some thoughts how to save space that are in the "grey zone" towards feature changes. I wonder what to do about these... |
| 09:14:49 | LinusN | amiconn: i'd say it depends in each case |
| 09:15:14 | LinusN | bring them up for discussion |
| 09:16:09 | amiconn | For one, I'd like firmware_flash.rock to detect whether this is a first time flash, and save the flash rom contents in that case as backup (with request & recommendation) |
| 09:16:24 | amiconn | Then the dump ROM item in the debug menu can go away |
| 09:16:48 | LinusN | that's a good idea |
| 09:16:58 | CoCoLUS | doesn't sound like a bug fix, though |
| 09:16:59 | LinusN | how about always saving? |
| 09:17:31 | LinusN | CoCoLUS: in this situation, everything that reduces code memory is a bug fix |
| 09:18:01 | LinusN | CoCoLUS: the V2 and FM recorder firmwares are too large at the moment |
| 09:18:15 | amiconn | LinusN: Always saving would be possible as well, but there is a slight chance for error |
| 09:18:29 | amiconn | ...in case someone uses an old bootloader without version code |
| 09:18:32 | LinusN | amiconn: a "yes/no" if the file exists? |
| 09:19:04 | amiconn | LinusN: For me, the fm/v2 firmwares aren't too large ;-P |
| 09:19:13 | LinusN | :-) |
| 09:19:14 | amiconn | But they're dangerously tight |
| 09:19:25 | amiconn | LinusN: Want a current fmr package? |
| 09:19:25 | LinusN | the "official" builds are too large |
| 09:19:31 | LinusN | no need |
| 09:21:00 | B4gder | we use gcc 3.3.4 for the sh builds |
| 09:21:25 | LinusN | B4gder: want me to upgrade to 3.3.6? |
| 09:21:37 | B4gder | if you feel like it, sure |
| 09:21:41 | LinusN | oki |
| 09:23:38 | CoCoLUS | linus, does the current shortage of code memory mean that over the long run, features won't be added to these player firmwares anymore, because there's no space? |
| 09:25:05 | LinusN | CoCoLUS: not really, but the archos users will probably have to use a new boot loader |
| 09:25:11 | LinusN | eventually |
| 09:25:53 | Bger | or splitted file ... |
| 09:26:07 | LinusN | or something |
| 09:26:18 | B4gder | but not all archos users _can_ flash their players... :-O |
| 09:26:38 | LinusN | perhaps the archos firmware file will just be a secondary boot loader |
| 09:26:53 | LinusN | that loads rockbox |
| 09:27:01 | B4gder | yeps |
| 09:27:09 | Bger | that's what i thought |
| 09:27:10 | LinusN | that's the simplest solution methinks |
| 09:27:11 | B4gder | it would be a quick and easy fix |
| 09:27:17 | CoCoLUS | so, there's no chance some features might get "newer players/iriver" only? |
| 09:27:26 | amiconn | I think there's quite some room for saving space in the current code |
| 09:27:36 | LinusN | CoCoLUS: one of those days, maybe |
| 09:27:41 | B4gder | CoCoLUS: there already are numerous features that are iriver only |
| 09:27:55 | LinusN | CoCoLUS: the archos has quite a few limitations |
| 09:28:21 | CoCoLUS | the lack of a bitmap display, eg? |
| 09:28:24 | Bger | imho the 2MB ram are one of the biggest drawbacks of archoses ... |
| 09:28:49 | B4gder | CoCoLUS: no, most of the archoses have bitmap displayes |
| 09:29:12 | CoCoLUS | ok, i have to admit i'm not all too familiar with the archos-familiy |
| 09:29:32 | Bger | CoCoLUS: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart |
| 09:29:51 | CoCoLUS | i think they're ugly! ;) |
| 09:30:08 | LinusN | no doubt about that |
| 09:30:48 | Bger | LinusN: while on this topic, why do you think that h1x0 are far superior than h3x0 ? |
| 09:31:07 | Bger | SPdif and better case ? |
| 09:31:13 | Bger | *s/pdif |
| 09:31:15 | LinusN | 1) it has a display that can be viewed without backlight |
| 09:31:25 | Bger | ok, for 1) i use the remote :) |
| 09:31:26 | CoCoLUS | they are made of brushed metal, not plastic... that's important, imho |
| 09:31:27 | LinusN | 2) more robust casing |
| 09:31:31 | LinusN | 3) s/pdif |
| 09:32:14 | Bger | btw h3x0 are with metal case also (under the plastic one)... am i right ? |
| 09:32:23 | LinusN | nope |
| 09:32:41 | Bger | hm |
| 09:32:42 | CoCoLUS | i can't believe some users actually value that h3x0 15fps video playback feature |
| 09:33:06 | Bger | CoCoLUS btw 1) it's 10fps, and 2) it looks better than u can believe |
| 09:33:40 | Bger | and 3) i don't use it regularly |
| 09:33:44 | B4gder | can't wait for rockbox on h3x0 and the crowd of people shouting for weird video format support.... :-) |
| 09:34:31 | Bger | B4gder: as always u can say them "if you want it, do it":) |
| 09:34:55 | B4gder | oh yes |
| 09:35:06 | Bger | anyways, it's nice to have |
| 09:35:27 | Bger | at least for funny clips etc ... :) |
| 09:35:46 | Bger | in fact i've used it *only* for such things |
| 09:35:59 | B4gder | I wonder how much movie code we can use from xine or mplayer etc |
| 09:36:18 | Bger | i don't think this is good idea ... |
| 09:36:29 | Bger | at least the mplayer code is very very ... ugly |
| 09:36:40 | B4gder | :-( |
| 09:36:49 | CoCoLUS | bger: isn't the display way too small to comfortable watch video? |
| 09:36:51 | Bger | the mplayer's author said this ... |
| 09:37:11 | Bger | Bger: as i already said, i used it only for some small funny movies |
| 09:38:40 | Bger | i don't remember his name, but his words were something like " i want to start a new player and to use all i've learned from mplayer. the current mplayer code is nasty" |
| 09:52:04 | CoCoLUS | it's quite often used, though |
| 09:52:20 | Bger | hm, maybe i'm wrong |
| 09:52:20 | * | CoCoLUS thinks of his xbox |
| 09:53:42 | CoCoLUS | well, it can be ugly code -and- widely distributed at the same time :) |
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| 10:00:14 | Bger | LinusN: i suppose you still haven't had enough time to look at h3x0 |
| 10:00:40 | LinusN | i made an attempt yesterday to run the bdm |
| 10:00:51 | Bger | and ? :) |
| 10:00:55 | ashridah | ooh. did it let the magic smoke out? |
| 10:00:58 | ashridah | :) |
| 10:01:08 | LinusN | but my hw mod to keep the power on was not enough, it didn't survive a reset |
| 10:01:14 | Bger | did you call the fire brigade ?;) |
| 10:01:38 | Bger | aha ... that's not so good... |
| 10:01:40 | LinusN | i'll make some more measurements to figure out how the power management works on it |
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| 10:14:27 | Bger | the favourite question: "any guesses when you'll do the measurements?" please, don't reply with "when i do it" |
| 10:14:30 | Bger | :) |
| 10:14:49 | Bger | do them |
| 10:15:30 | LinusN | i intend to do it as soon as possible |
| 10:15:40 | LinusN | maybe today, maybe tomorrow |
| 10:15:50 | * | Bger happy |
| 10:16:17 | LinusN | the 2.5 release has priority, but i want the h300 bdm to work |
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| 10:22:44 | preglow | anyone know if we'll be able to record spdif at other sample rates than 44.1khz? |
| 10:22:56 | Bger | i guess no:) |
| 10:22:59 | preglow | seems the iriver firmware does it, if the manual is to be believed |
| 10:23:04 | Bger | maybe 22.05 ? |
| 10:23:07 | Bger | etc ? |
| 10:23:51 | preglow | looks like it does 48khz |
| 10:24:48 | Zagor | regarding mplayer, there's a ton of licensing issues in there. debian won't go near it. |
| 10:25:02 | Bger | i just saw it |
| 10:25:20 | Bger | the problems are regarding codecs ... |
| 10:25:23 | LinusN | preglow: 48khz s/pdif is possible |
| 10:25:46 | Bger | or i'm wrong |
| 10:25:53 | LinusN | preglow: even 20 bits is possible |
| 10:26:06 | ze | i thought 48khz was pretty standard for s/pdif |
| 10:26:11 | ze | like dat-quality |
| 10:26:46 | LinusN | ze: we're not discussing what is standard or not, it's about what the iriver hardware can handle |
| 10:26:56 | ze | i see |
| 10:27:09 | ze | still seems like anything that supports it oughtta at least support whats common for it |
| 10:27:18 | preglow | well, say that to iriver |
| 10:27:20 | LinusN | and the iriver hardware can handle 48khz s/pdif but not 48khz analog |
| 10:27:32 | Bger | LinusN: so it can record 48khz, but cannot play them ? ah, right |
| 10:27:43 | preglow | no, it can record it from spdig |
| 10:27:46 | preglow | spdif, even |
| 10:27:48 | LinusN | it can play 48khz s/pdif too |
| 10:27:54 | preglow | not from analog inputs |
| 10:28:11 | Bger | ok, i got it |
| 10:28:22 | preglow | LinusN: is there something to be saved in not enabling the spdif output until music is actually played? |
| 10:28:23 | ze | so neither its DAC nor ADC support 48khz? |
| 10:28:36 | LinusN | preglow: yes, a tiny amount of battery power |
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| 10:29:00 | ze | just its uh codec chip or whatever it is? heh |
| 10:29:01 | preglow | ze: yes, they do |
| 10:29:04 | LinusN | ze: the problem is the coldfire cpu itself |
| 10:29:13 | ze | hmm |
| 10:30:07 | LinusN | hmmm, maybe 48khz s/pdif playback isn't possible after all |
| 10:30:18 | LinusN | only recording |
| 10:30:19 | ze | ok thats pretty confusing if it can do 48khz digital but not 48khz analog while the A<->D converter(s) can do 48khz |
| 10:30:43 | LinusN | ze: the problem is that the coldfire can't generate a 48khz clock |
| 10:31:06 | ze | the cpu generates the clock for the converters? |
| 10:31:12 | LinusN | but it can *receive* a 48khz clock |
| 10:31:20 | LinusN | ze: exactly |
| 10:31:37 | ze | weird, i thought stuff usually at least had a crystal or something to do that |
| 10:32:13 | LinusN | ze: it's very common to let the cpu generate the clock |
| 10:32:25 | LinusN | that way you only need one crystal in the system |
| 10:33:00 | preglow | ooh, a wav playback patch |
| 10:34:09 | ze | so that makes more sense then i guess, if it can only record 48khz digital, and not do anything else with 48khz... still, only makes any kind of sense within that contex, more generally its still pretty senseless :p |
| 10:34:44 | ze | oh well, i oughtta sleep |
| 10:34:57 | ze | got school in like 11 and a half hours |
| 10:36:17 | LinusN | ze: i agree that it is pretty lame |
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| 10:36:38 | hshah | is there something wrong with the latest cvs |
| 10:36:47 | hshah | coz when i added that to my iriver i lost all my settings |
| 10:36:56 | B4gder | hshah:that is expected |
| 10:36:57 | preglow | config bump |
| 10:36:57 | LinusN | nothing wrong |
| 10:37:10 | B4gder | as I wrote in my reply in the forum |
| 10:37:24 | hshah | only some of the settings saved every time i reapplied |
| 10:37:26 | preglow | Slasher: got any idea why the last track pops through once in a while when i manually change to a new track? |
| 10:37:41 | hshah | B4dger - nothing to do with that patch what so ever |
| 10:37:51 | B4gder | no |
| 10:37:56 | LinusN | hshah: no, not the setting reset |
| 10:37:58 | B4gder | it is related to a config version bump |
| 10:38:10 | hshah | ok |
| 10:38:22 | hshah | and what does that mean? (lol) |
| 10:38:51 | preglow | that the config block has new settings added to it |
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| 10:38:52 | LinusN | that the setting format has changed |
| 10:38:54 | preglow | so its not compatible anymore |
| 10:39:16 | LinusN | happens once in a while |
| 10:39:28 | Bger | hshah: in this case you must save your settings to .cfg file, update, and apply the .cfg file |
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| 10:39:49 | hshah | just curious coz only i lost my settings i set them all again... and it crashed when trying to set the crossfade (just froze), so i had to reset and apply them all again, and then i rebooted it, and had lost have my settings again, and the same happened again and again until i saved the cfg file and then the settings stays |
| 10:39:59 | hshah | ok - will do that in future |
| 10:40:56 | LinusN | hmm, can you set the crossfade now? |
| 10:41:15 | hshah | yeah... after the reset it was fine |
| 10:41:40 | hshah | thats why i was saying something was odd.... coz i shouldn't have had to apply all my settings so many times |
| 10:41:51 | LinusN | no you shouldn't have to |
| 10:42:13 | LinusN | but you shouldn't reboot until you have left the settings menu |
| 10:42:24 | hshah | yeah... i went back to wps |
| 10:42:55 | LinusN | there is no need to save a .cfg file to make the settings stay |
| 10:43:15 | LinusN | rockbox never reads .cfg files unless you load it manually |
| 10:43:18 | hshah | anyways no worries... its all ok now... and no one else has reported anything odd... so probs me just doing something retarded |
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| 10:44:07 | hshah | and im so glad that slasher added those two patches that i asked him too :) |
| 10:44:38 | LinusN | the multi-align patch was actually a mistake |
| 10:45:43 | hshah | oh... why so? |
| 10:46:42 | LinusN | we weren't going to commit it, but Slasher committed it by mistake |
| 10:47:07 | LinusN | but we decided to keep it |
| 10:48:04 | hshah | erm weren't u going to commit it - sorry for asking all the questions but im just curious... and i know curiosity killed the cat, but im not a cat :p |
| 10:48:39 | LinusN | personally, i think that code was a little complicated |
| 10:49:01 | hshah | ahh rite k |
| 10:49:02 | B4gder | personally, I think we need to rewrite the whole WPS one day |
| 10:49:08 | LinusN | definitely |
| 10:49:12 | preglow | do the deprecated lang entries ever get removed? |
| 10:49:22 | LinusN | preglow: yes, when we release |
| 10:49:27 | preglow | joy |
| 10:49:29 | B4gder | preglow: when we bump the lang file version |
| 10:49:59 | Bger | anything against up-to-date-ing bulgarian ? |
| 10:50:05 | LinusN | not at all |
| 10:50:23 | LinusN | bring on the patch |
| 10:50:29 | Bger | not that someone will use it ... :) |
| 10:51:21 | preglow | doesn't keep me from updating the norwegian translation |
| 10:51:53 | Bger | btw, why don't Bagder or Zagor make a counter for rockbox ? ... something like www.linuxcounter.org but on the rockbox's site |
| 10:52:00 | Bger | doesn't |
| 10:52:13 | LinusN | only silly people run stuff in their own language, like the french and the germans :-) |
| 10:52:29 | LinusN | Bger: what is that? |
| 10:52:33 | preglow | and the english! |
| 10:52:43 | LinusN | preglow: haha |
| 10:52:53 | Bger | the english for sure ... i was about to say it :) |
| 10:53:04 | Bger | LinusN: see it |
| 10:53:08 | Zagor | Bger: I don't find it very interesting, to be honest. The value wouldn't mean anything. |
| 10:53:10 | Bger | counter of linux users :) |
| 10:53:11 | preglow | i never use the norwegian translation myself |
| 10:53:13 | preglow | it's horrible |
| 10:53:55 | Bger | preglow: u must blame yourself for this :P |
| 10:54:46 | preglow | most of the reason i do it myself, is because i know almost every other norwegian would make an ever worse job of it |
| 10:55:10 | preglow | since only 0.01% of us know how to write norwegian without making fools of ourselves |
| 10:55:24 | Bger | i don't believe ... |
| 10:55:55 | amiconn | LinusN: I hope you don't count me as silly :/ |
| 10:56:09 | B4gder | hehe |
| 10:56:15 | B4gder | now don't answer that ;-) |
| 10:56:16 | preglow | amiconn: of course you are |
| 10:56:40 | amiconn | While I have no problems using an english UI, I always prefer my native language, unless the translation is really bad |
| 10:56:51 | preglow | is it usual to translate button names? |
| 10:56:57 | preglow | like PLAY , OFF, etc? |
| 10:57:08 | Bger | this is BAD translation imho |
| 10:57:10 | LinusN | preglow: they don't have names on the archos |
| 10:57:25 | LinusN | and not on the iriver as well, iirc |
| 10:57:26 | Bger | hm |
| 10:57:45 | Bger | if you don't count "A-B" :)) |
| 10:57:51 | preglow | LinusN: what, you think the play symbol on the top button doesn't qualify it as being called a play button? |
| 10:57:52 | preglow | heh |
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| 10:58:24 | Bger | and "NAVI" on h3x0 |
| 10:58:37 | amiconn | preglow: Usually button names aren't translated, especially if they have actual names printed on them instead of symbols |
| 10:58:41 | preglow | but still, you've got things like OFF = Cancel, which do suggest there's a button called OFF |
| 10:58:58 | amiconn | LinusN: The archos recorder ON and OFF buttons and player ON and MENU do |
| 10:59:04 | Bger | the bulgarian translation s baaad... |
| 10:59:20 | LinusN | preglow: maybe we should use icons for that |
| 10:59:31 | LinusN | amiconn: true |
| 10:59:46 | amiconn | I agree that icons might be a nice solution |
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| 11:00:00 | LinusN | problem is that we need them in all sizes |
| 11:00:03 | amiconn | (of course we'll get a slight problem on the player) |
| 11:00:27 | * | LinusN goes to lunch |
| 11:00:35 | Bger | nice lunch |
| 11:00:38 | preglow | pft, time to drop the player! |
| 11:00:41 | amiconn | LinusN: Yes. Perhaps I'll try to make up some vector icons |
| 11:00:50 | amiconn | preglow: Not at all |
| 11:01:16 | amiconn | It *is* possible to use icons on the player, and it is even a very good idea |
| 11:01:19 | preglow | why can't we do this on the player, btw? all lcd's i've bumped into let you define your own bitmaps |
| 11:01:49 | amiconn | Yes, but only 4 or 8 at a time |
| 11:01:49 | Bger | some of the user chars are already used ? |
| 11:02:26 | preglow | i wonder if i should bother translatiing the voice fields at all, i sincerely doubt a norwegian voice pack will ever happen |
| 11:02:31 | amiconn | (4 or 8 visible at a time. The display code handles dynamic allocation) |
| 11:03:11 | amiconn | preglow: It's your decision. I know of at least one swedish voice engine though, so norwegian might exists as well... |
| 11:03:32 | Bger | the new M$'s WSUS is so sluggish ... |
| 11:03:51 | B4gder | m |
| 11:03:58 | B4gder | ops |
| 11:04:03 | amiconn | preglow: Using icons in the form of user chars on the player is actually good because it will save display space, and the display is only 2x11 chars... |
| 11:04:14 | amiconn | Bger: WSUS is really nice compared to SUS |
| 11:04:26 | amiconn | B4gder: mops?? |
| 11:04:36 | B4gder | no, 'm' then ops ;-) |
| 11:04:39 | Bger | amiconn: yes, it is, but it approves about 0.5updates/s ... |
| 11:04:51 | preglow | i wonder how it's actually possible to use an mp3 player a char cell display that small :/ |
| 11:04:58 | B4gder | ('m' being my shortcut in my shell for starting my mail reader) |
| 11:05:20 | amiconn | preglow: It works better than you might think |
| 11:05:21 | B4gder | preglow: the blind people don't mind that ;-) |
| 11:05:52 | preglow | B4gder: hehe |
| 11:06:01 | Bger | preglow: there are many mp3 players who lack the display of other info than "current track number" ... |
| 11:06:34 | Bger | of course, they are older and not HDD-based |
| 11:06:45 | solex | ...and they suck :) |
| 11:06:52 | Bger | for sure :) |
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| 11:10:40 | solex | In fact, I was searching for an MP3-Player for a long time |
| 11:11:09 | amiconn | preglow: The charcell display is not the biggest annoyance with the player for sure |
| 11:11:11 | solex | I must have overlooked the Iriver H1x0... |
| 11:11:29 | amiconn | I think USB1.1 is the biggest drawback of the player |
| 11:12:20 | amiconn | It takes hours to fill even the 10 GB model... |
| 11:12:23 | Bger | 5-6s for 1 track ... even more |
| 11:13:24 | Bger | amiconn: any idea what's the actual speed of USB1.1? |
| 11:13:32 | Bger | 700-800kb/s ? |
| 11:13:34 | preglow | i used a 1.1 interface with my h120 for a long while, so i know all about that, hehe |
| 11:14:07 | amiconn | Bger: I usually get around 1 MByte/sec |
| 11:14:22 | Bger | hm, close to the theoretical limit |
| 11:14:34 | amiconn | Theoretical limit would be 1.5 MByte/sec |
| 11:14:43 | Bger | because you can reserve up to 90% for one device of the bandwidth |
| 11:15:00 | amiconn | Yes, and with MSD there is quite some overhead |
| 11:15:06 | Bger | 10mbit including protocol overhead |
| 11:15:11 | Bger | 10.8mbit |
| 11:15:18 | amiconn | MSD encapsulates SCSI protocol in USB data blocks |
| 11:15:31 | amiconn | ...which have a max. size of 64bytes |
| 11:15:45 | amiconn | (at least that's the limit with USB1.1) |
| 11:15:51 | Bger | yep |
| 11:15:54 | Bger | something like this |
| 11:16:26 | Bger | usb2.0 has 1023 and even more, but i don't remember whether this was only for INT and ISO transfers |
| 11:20:02 | preglow | think i'll leave the voice entries to other people, it just takes too long |
| 11:21:18 | Bger | The USB defines the allowable maximum bulk data payload sizes to be only 8, 16, 32, or 64 bytes for full-speed endpoints and 512 bytes for high-speed endpoints. |
| 11:23:48 | preglow | now, what the hell is 'rating' in norwegian :-) |
| 11:24:01 | Bger | :P |
| 11:24:32 | preglow | so far i've translated "Set Song Rating" with "HVA FAEN", which is more a sign of frustration than a correct translation :PpPp |
| 11:25:16 | Bger | ok, this doesn't explain why i had such slooow transfers with my h3x0 to other h3x0 ... i uploaded the .hex file (2 547kb) in 30 secs or more ... |
| 11:25:44 | Bger | ~84kb/s ??? |
| 11:26:01 | Bger | ok, 84.9 |
| 11:28:18 | preglow | a lot of the new english strings doesn't follow the capitalized form of the rest of the english rockbox |
| 11:28:33 | preglow | like Enable replaygain, Prevent clipping |
| 11:29:36 | preglow | me fix? |
| 11:29:50 | Bger | i vote for fixing :) |
| 11:32:51 | preglow | then again, a lot of older entries do as well. you've got Channel Configuration then Stereo width |
| 11:32:54 | preglow | what's the rule anyway? |
| 11:37:23 | CoCoLUS | i vote for every first letter capitalized :) |
| 11:38:35 | Bger | me too |
| 11:39:01 | Bger | but you can see from miles that my english is not good at all :) |
| 11:45:08 | CoCoLUS | start with using a decent system for describing lengths, like the metric ;) |
| 11:46:21 | Bger | heh, the used metric system in my country is exactly the metric one ;) |
| 11:46:57 | CoCoLUS | then why do you say "miles" :) |
| 11:47:16 | Bger | ask my sick brain :) |
| 11:47:32 | Bger | maybe because 1 mile is more than 1 km? and sounds better:) |
| 11:47:58 | CoCoLUS | 1.6, i believe |
| 11:48:15 | Bger | something like this |
| 11:48:29 | Bger | there are 2 kinds ... "sea miles " and ordinary miles |
| 11:49:20 | CoCoLUS | but i think it has nothing to do with "english", imho every first letter capitalized is more readable in any language... well excluding chinese, maybe ;) |
| 11:49:32 | Bger | heheh |
| 11:49:42 | Bger | it's just a habbit |
| 11:50:03 | CoCoLUS | on a rather small display like the iriver ('s -remote), that is |
| 11:50:05 | amiconn | It should just be used consistently within one translation |
| 11:50:05 | Bger | i wouldn't like every first letter capitalized in bulgarian... |
| 11:51:31 | Bger | amiconn: so, in english ? all first letters capitalized ? |
| 11:51:53 | CoCoLUS | someone has to declare an offical rule :) |
| 11:53:59 | preglow | amiconn: yes, and for english the rule is capitalized first letters in all menu items, and not in messages? |
| 11:55:30 | Bger | maybe we should ask some british ? |
| 11:56:38 | preglow | i don't think it's so much an english rule as it is a rockbox rule |
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| 12:07:19 | hshah | I am British |
| 12:07:39 | hshah | and yes - capital first letters in menus |
| 12:07:52 | hshah | but in messages... it depends on how long the message it |
| 12:08:25 | hshah | like for the Shutting down... it would be preferrable to have the D capital |
| 12:08:48 | hshah | but messages that pop up like codec error... etc etc look nicer all lowercase... |
| 12:09:07 | hshah | but mostly it is personal preference... there is no standard way of doing it |
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| 12:52:06 | CoCoLUS | why not implement an additional option, "display options in upper/lower case" ;) |
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| 13:00:22 | Bger | btw, what does "USB (Sim)" mean ? u suppose "USB (Simulation)" am i right ? |
| 13:00:28 | hshah | probs |
| 13:00:42 | hshah | UPPERCASE, lowercase, Title Case |
| 13:02:57 | crwl | but then again, Title Case doesn't make much sense or is just blatantly incorrect in many languages |
| 13:05:02 | Bger | hm |
| 13:05:14 | B4gder | imo it should be written "correctly" in the language file |
| 13:05:31 | B4gder | using the language's rules |
| 13:05:35 | Bger | there is a bug in current english.lang :) |
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| 13:06:02 | Bger | LANG_SETTINGS_BATTERY_RECOVER |
| 13:06:03 | Bger | ? |
| 13:06:09 | Bger | err |
| 13:06:16 | Bger | LANG_SETTINGS_BATTERY_PLAYER |
| 13:06:27 | Bger | eng:"Partition" ?????? |
| 13:08:40 | Bger | B4gder? |
| 13:08:58 | B4gder | first, the message is only for the Archos Player model |
| 13:09:12 | B4gder | then, I believe it is related to some kind of save failure |
| 13:09:17 | Bger | yes ? |
| 13:09:33 | B4gder | that once was due to batteries, but then I think it was found out that the reason was most often due to lack of a proper partition |
| 13:09:35 | B4gder | iirc |
| 13:10:08 | Bger | so, how is supposed to translate it ? |
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| 13:12:57 | B4gder | I don't know, we must check source code |
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| 13:16:32 | Bger | if(save_config_buffer()) { lcd_clear_display(); lcdputs(0,0,"save failed"); lcd_puts(0,1,"partition?"); ... |
| 13:16:36 | Bger | something like this |
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| 13:18:16 | Bger | isn't better "save failed\npartition or bat. low?" |
| 13:18:59 | B4gder | newline isn't supported, and I'm not sure it scrolls so you may be limited to 11 chars |
| 13:19:02 | LinusN | Bger: that string is made to fit the 2x11 archos studio screen |
| 13:19:43 | LinusN | btw, in this case, a splash() might be appropriate |
| 13:19:53 | Bger | "Part,bat.low" |
| 13:19:57 | Bger | hm, cannot trunc it |
| 13:19:57 | Bger | :) |
| 13:20:00 | Bger | enough |
| 13:20:47 | Bger | maybe it's better to not translate the strings for player at all ? |
| 13:24:33 | LinusN | i'd say that "save failed" is enough |
| 13:24:54 | LinusN | maybe the return code from write() would be interesting |
| 13:25:03 | Bger | :) |
| 13:25:10 | LinusN | "save failed" |
| 13:25:15 | LinusN | "error: -2" |
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| 13:38:27 | amiconn | I think real error messages should be translated |
| 13:39:07 | amiconn | There are users who don't understand english, or only very little |
| 13:39:24 | solex | I agree |
| 13:39:38 | LinusN | agreed |
| 13:39:46 | Bger | but "Partition" translated ... |
| 13:39:53 | LinusN | i just think the "partition?" is mislieading |
| 13:39:59 | amiconn | yes |
| 13:40:01 | LinusN | better give an error code |
| 13:40:16 | amiconn | Yes, but with a translated text |
| 13:40:21 | LinusN | of course |
| 13:40:52 | Bger | i don't think this will tell something to someone who don't work with computers (and if someone works, he'll know what does this word mean) |
| 13:41:33 | Bger | oh |
| 13:42:47 | Bger | all i wanted to say is that either you know the word "partition", either you don't... and if someone comes here and says ok, it gave me "Çàïàçâàíå íåóñïåøíî\n Äÿë?" you won't understand him |
| 13:43:18 | Bger | (this was translation to "Save failed\n Partition?" |
| 13:43:19 | Bger | ) |
| 13:43:20 | B4gder | I think you're right, I didn't understand that at all! ;-P |
| 13:43:27 | Bger | :P |
| 13:43:46 | solex | Bger: your kidding, aren't you? |
| 13:43:57 | Bger | solex: about what ? |
| 13:44:06 | solex | "Çàïàçâàíå íåóñïåøíî\n Äÿë?" |
| 13:44:17 | Bger | what's funny with it ?:) |
| 13:44:44 | solex | Maybe I am just missing an ASCII character... |
| 13:44:45 | Bger | if you use CP1251 u'll see that this *is* text :) in cyrillic |
| 13:44:58 | solex | Ah, iso-8859-15 here |
| 13:45:24 | Bger | ok, it's something like "Zapazvane neuspeshno\n Dial?" |
| 13:45:52 | * | solex doesn't have cyrillic fonts installed on his fscked windoze... |
| 13:46:18 | Bger | see the log :) |
| 13:46:27 | Bger | and switch the encoding manually |
| 13:47:05 | solex | Anyway, I think you shouldn't try too hard to translate technical terms. |
| 13:48:20 | Bger | ok, i won't translate something unless there is common accepted translated word for the term |
| 13:53:11 | Bger | if the "new:" string is empty, the english one will be used, right ? |
| 13:53:23 | B4gder | yes |
| 13:54:30 | Bger | i mean |
| 13:54:30 | Bger | new: "" |
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| 13:55:31 | amiconn | Bger: You can even leave out the quotes for empty strings |
| 13:56:37 | webguest17 | several languages don't have the technical terms in their vocabularly and adopt enlish names anyway or modern tech speak |
| 13:57:27 | webguest17 | and my spelling need revision as well ;) |
| 13:58:15 | Bger | afk, bbl |
| 13:58:56 | webguest17 | its a dillema for the puritannical traditionalists of that language, engineering is constantly challenging the linguists |
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| 14:01:03 | webguest17 | translate "reboot, hexa decimal, Hard Drive, RAM, ROM," etc... |
| 14:03:02 | webguest17 | quit time to Foxtrot Oscar |
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| 14:31:27 | wrecker | Sorry, I'm a bit of a Rockbox Noob, especially to IRC. I am interested in getting involved in iRiver testing. Can I post bug reports here as and when I come across them?? |
| 14:31:48 | B4gder | certainly! |
| 14:34:19 | wrecker | Great. I'm going to get involved as I am completely hooked on Rockbox. I am trying to learn some C to get involved further down the line, but for now I thought I'd get involved in testing and documentation. I have already posted some detailed instructions for iRiver OTF playlists on the forum and intend on doing some Wiki manual updating soon too. Every bit helps!! |
| 14:34:40 | B4gder | indeed |
| 14:38:58 | arp | just dont use up all your eagerness and enthusiasm in one day :) |
| 14:42:53 | wrecker | I'll try and pace it.... |
| 14:43:49 | wrecker | I've been keen for some time and have been keeping up to date with what's going on on the Rockbox and Mistic River forums for a while, 'learning the ropes'. I'm building myself up slowly... |
| 14:45:14 | wrecker | As a starter for 10, there is a (non-critical) 'bug' with iRiver FM recording at the mo. After you've recorded (Debug-> PCM Recording -> Line-In), you lose all sound and have to reboot before you can play anything again. Is that already known? |
| 14:45:30 | B4gder | yes |
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| 14:45:44 | B4gder | the recording is not in a very good shape yet |
| 14:45:54 | B4gder | (hence the palcement in the debug menu) |
| 14:47:56 | wrecker | fair enough. I thought thatw as probably the case. Just thought I'd mention it. |
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| 14:53:15 | LinusN | B4gd3r: schizo! |
| 14:53:32 | B4gd3r | I'm cloned! |
| 14:56:07 | Kick | (#rockbox B4gder : ) by LinusN!n=linus@labb.contactor.se |
| 14:56:28 | LinusN | that felt goooood |
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| 14:57:11 | B4gd3r | :-) |
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| 15:06:51 | Bger | why don't use nickserv ghost ... :) |
| 15:08:29 | ashridah | and let nickserv get all the fun? |
| 15:09:00 | B4gd3r | well, my regular nick is already in use by my client from home |
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| 15:09:20 | Bger | and you've not registered your work nick? shame :P |
| 15:09:48 | B4gder | I've found no point in doing it |
| 15:09:58 | B4gder | and I actually never identify my regged one either |
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| 15:10:24 | B4gder | not since I lost my op in here |
| 15:11:01 | amiconn | Iirc if you don't identify for some time, you'll lose the registration |
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| 15:11:26 | B4gder | and right now, there's no "owner" of this channel |
| 15:11:31 | B4gder | since adiamas vanished |
| 15:11:50 | amiconn | The nickname registration has nothing to do with the channel |
| 15:12:33 | Bger | amiconn: maybe it has ... if the channel "founder"'s nick drops ... |
| 15:12:45 | B4gder | I know |
| 15:12:57 | B4gder | but I couldn't get opped anymore for some reason |
| 15:13:04 | B4gder | then I stopped identifying myself too |
| 15:13:15 | ashridah | rtin |
| 15:13:24 | ashridah | arghl |
| 15:13:30 | ashridah | wrong window :) |
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| 15:13:50 | ashridah | the channel's still registered |
| 15:14:40 | amiconn | B4gder: I've configured my client to auto-identify me |
| 15:15:09 | B4gder | why? |
| 15:15:19 | LinusN | ashridah: yes it's registered, but the owner (adiamas) is nowhere to be found |
| 15:15:41 | amiconn | If you don't identify, you won't e.g. receive offline message |
| 15:15:41 | Bger | who is adiamas ? |
| 15:16:01 | LinusN | an old rockbox trooper from the early days |
| 15:16:16 | LinusN | missing in action .-) |
| 15:16:31 | amiconn | ...and it keeps my nick registered, so I can regain my nick in case someone tries to 'steal' it |
| 15:17:20 | B4gder | that never happened to me |
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| 15:35:07 | rooomish | Wanted IDC Dragon! Reward! Need exe for archos boot mod! |
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| 15:42:25 | muesli- | hi |
| 15:42:28 | Xetrov | hey |
| 15:42:40 | muesli- | ho |
| 15:42:56 | Xetrov | anyone knows if the toshiba MK4025GAS hd needs shortening to work on studio20? |
| 15:43:09 | Xetrov | im trying to order the hd with the least potential problems as a replacement |
| 15:43:27 | hshah | whats standby mode? |
| 15:44:01 | Xetrov | talking about whats described in http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=465.0 |
| 15:44:18 | LinusN | hshah: the disk spins down automatically when not busy |
| 15:44:40 | hshah | ahh ok |
| 15:44:41 | LinusN | Xetrov: i don't know, my MK4018GAS works perfectly |
| 15:44:49 | Xetrov | alright |
| 15:44:52 | Xetrov | i hope mine will too |
| 15:44:58 | hshah | u must be getting annoyed with me asking random questions :s |
| 15:44:59 | B4gder | I don't even remember what disk I got... :-) |
| 15:45:28 | Xetrov | hows power consumption on that MK4018GAS of yours? |
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| 15:46:05 | Xetrov | i got 2500mAh batteries just in case the new drive will be more power hungry |
| 15:47:30 | AliasCoffee | mmm, random questions.. |
| 15:48:11 | Xetrov | brb |
| 15:48:12 | AliasCoffee | like: is the optical input on the h140 set at 44100hz, 16bit and only that? |
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| 15:49:43 | LinusN | AliasCoffee: the optical in can handle up to 48khz/20bits |
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| 15:51:43 | amiconn | LinusN: What's the deal with your standby fix? |
| 15:52:03 | AliasCoffee | LinusN, ah, ty. |
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| 15:52:10 | LinusN | the problem is that some disks spin down immediately when getting the STANDBY command |
| 15:52:29 | amiconn | Hmm, is that a problem? |
| 15:52:46 | LinusN | for people with weak batteries it is sometimes better to remain spinning |
| 15:52:53 | amiconn | Btw, I observed something strange concerning USB and disk spindown |
| 15:53:12 | LinusN | better set the power management mode instead, like we discussed earlier |
| 15:53:40 | amiconn | Afaiu the USB bridges of archos recorder (usb2.0) and iriver are almost identical, and windows uses a standard driver as these are USB MSD compatible |
| 15:54:24 | amiconn | However, while the recorder HD will spin down when not accessed via USB, the iriver HD remains spinning all the time |
| 15:55:06 | LinusN | the default power management mode is programmed in the i2c eeprom connected to the isd chip |
| 15:55:31 | amiconn | Ah ok. |
| 15:55:54 | amiconn | Hmm, maybe that means regardless how we set the power management mode, the bridge chip will overwrite it? |
| 15:57:09 | LinusN | not necessarily, that depends on if the driver resets the drive or not |
| 15:57:23 | LinusN | and if it sets the power mgmt mode |
| 15:57:53 | LinusN | in any case, sending the standby cmd was a bad idea |
| 15:57:55 | amiconn | Hmm, I don't get what you mean... |
| 15:58:14 | LinusN | the operating system drive can do what it wants with the disk |
| 15:58:17 | LinusN | driver |
| 15:58:29 | LinusN | it can set the management mode as it wishes |
| 15:58:37 | LinusN | and spin it down when it wants to |
| 15:58:38 | amiconn | Hmm, yes |
| 15:59:02 | amiconn | ...and iiuc the default mode is specified by the i2c eeprom? |
| 15:59:09 | LinusN | yes |
| 15:59:23 | LinusN | (iirc) :-) |
| 15:59:31 | amiconn | For me that sounds like setting the power management mode from rockbox wouldn't have any effect |
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| 16:01:39 | LinusN | that depends on if the operating system driver sets it or not |
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| 16:05:10 | rooomish | amiconn: pls You really have not any version of archos boot mod exe? I am distressed - help pls! |
| 16:05:45 | amiconn | I already told you that I have one, but I don't know which bitrate mix it uses, and I can't test |
| 16:06:11 | amiconn | I did a number of experiments with different bitrates |
| 16:06:26 | rooomish | amiconn: ;- |
| 16:06:35 | amiconn | The standard tools all support 14400bps, but I experimented with 38400bps as well |
| 16:06:46 | rooomish | ;-// OK sorry |
| 16:07:06 | amiconn | My tools may even contain a mix, like the loader using 14400 but the minimon then requiring to switch to 38400 |
| 16:07:48 | amiconn | The point is that while I could provide you with these, I can't say what parameters you would need to make them work :/ |
| 16:08:22 | amiconn | ...and I can't test myself, at least not now |
| 16:08:34 | rooomish | amiconn: Understand - that is why, I am waiting here so long without success. |
| 16:08:35 | amiconn | I need to hook up a player and try |
| 16:09:21 | amiconn | I even have a player to hook up, but I'll need a replacement button before doing so |
| 16:10:10 | amiconn | I'm already waiting for that button for a while... |
| 16:11:06 | rooomish | amiconn: after receiving it please let me know! Thnx |
| 16:11:36 | rooomish | or pls update the wiki |
| 16:12:01 | amiconn | uart_boot is in cvs, so it should be possible to build it |
| 16:12:18 | amiconn | However, this still doesn't guarantee a working version |
| 16:12:56 | rooomish | amiconn: I have not skills to work with cvs :-( |
| 16:16:18 | amiconn | Hmm, I can build a version and provide it, but I still can't guarantee it will work |
| 16:16:43 | amiconn | I think it should work though, I just checked the source a bit to see what is needed |
| 16:17:22 | rooomish | amiconn: I will be grateful for this |
| 16:17:31 | rooomish | many thanks |
| 16:19:26 | | Join RockboxLover [0] (n=51429e1d@labb.contactor.se) |
| 16:19:35 | RockboxLover | Hello guys |
| 16:19:42 | B4gder | now here's a fan! ;-) |
| 16:19:52 | RockboxLover | :D |
| 16:20:08 | RockboxLover | a litle question please |
| 16:20:26 | RockboxLover | btw very very thanks for this best fw in the world |
| 16:21:15 | RockboxLover | I see in the patch tracker one patch for colorize the cards in the solitaire Rockbox game |
| 16:21:23 | RockboxLover | it's just one detail :) |
| 16:21:25 | amiconn | rooomish: Hmm, iirc the bitrate switching is done with the -test option in the cvs version of uart_boot, so just avoid using that ;) |
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| 16:22:07 | RockboxLover | but think you it could be implemented, I guess few users use this game and it could be very cool for us |
| 16:22:45 | amiconn | rooomish: amiconn.dyndns.org/UART_Boot.zip">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/UART_Boot.zip |
| 16:23:00 | amiconn | Try that and pls tell me whether it worked... |
| 16:23:43 | RockboxLover | Linus, Bagder...? I don't have build environment and I can't see if all is good with patch, think ypu is good? |
| 16:24:02 | B4gder | I don't know, but I think it is good |
| 16:24:35 | RockboxLover | One core dev like you Bagder or someone with CVS access can add it? |
| 16:25:06 | B4gder | anyone with CVS can add it, but it would take testing and reviewing of it first |
| 16:25:11 | rooomish | amiconn: thank you - I will try it! |
| 16:25:47 | amiconn | RockboxLover: ...and there is a feature freeze in effect atm |
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| 16:27:29 | RockboxLover | Hi amiconn, this thing is not a new feature |
| 16:27:43 | RockboxLover | just colore fixing :D |
| 16:28:03 | | Join t0mas [0] (n=Tomas@ip503c08d1.speed.planet.nl) |
| 16:28:15 | RockboxLover | Hello t0mas |
| 16:28:19 | t0mas | hi |
| 16:28:59 | RockboxLover | i just ask if anyone with CVS acces can add the patch about colorize the card in Solitaire plugin |
| 16:29:10 | RockboxLover | maybe you are interesting :D |
| 16:29:39 | t0mas | erm |
| 16:29:44 | t0mas | I'm just out of the car... |
| 16:29:55 | RockboxLover | scuse me |
| 16:29:55 | t0mas | I've been in belgium/france... nountainbiking |
| 16:30:07 | t0mas | so I'll first have to read all commits in these days |
| 16:30:08 | RockboxLover | lucky :) |
| 16:30:16 | RockboxLover | lots of them |
| 16:30:21 | RockboxLover | like always |
| 16:30:23 | t0mas | then read my new e-mail mountain :) |
| 16:30:30 | RockboxLover | :D |
| 16:30:35 | t0mas | and then I'll have time to do your commit |
| 16:30:43 | t0mas | but maybe someone else can do it faster |
| 16:30:55 | t0mas | have you checked if the patch compiles on all platforms? |
| 16:30:59 | t0mas | (inclusing sim?) |
| 16:31:05 | t0mas | *including |
| 16:31:07 | RockboxLover | it's why I ask Bagder; Linus, amiconn... |
| 16:31:18 | t0mas | oh... and are we frozen already? |
| 16:31:22 | RockboxLover | t0mas: is not my plugin |
| 16:31:28 | t0mas | that doesn't matter |
| 16:31:29 | RockboxLover | is stripwax patch |
| 16:31:36 | t0mas | ah |
| 16:31:40 | RockboxLover | :) |
| 16:31:42 | t0mas | hm... |
| 16:31:53 | t0mas | then he should try to get it committed |
| 16:31:59 | RockboxLover | but very usuful for us solitaire users |
| 16:32:14 | t0mas | hm.. yeah... |
| 16:32:17 | RockboxLover | I think he don't have CVS access |
| 16:32:25 | t0mas | well... can you test it? |
| 16:32:36 | RockboxLover | I |
| 16:32:38 | t0mas | jup |
| 16:32:49 | RockboxLover | don't have build environment |
| 16:32:54 | t0mas | ah ok |
| 16:33:00 | RockboxLover | :( |
| 16:33:00 | t0mas | well... I have no time to test it right now |
| 16:33:18 | RockboxLover | not a problem thanks so |
| 16:33:20 | RockboxLover | ;) |
| 16:33:20 | t0mas | and it should be tested before committing |
| 16:33:48 | RockboxLover | like every time |
| 16:34:13 | RockboxLover | do you use Solitaire plugin a bit? |
| 16:34:24 | t0mas | no... |
| 16:34:33 | RockboxLover | ah :) |
| 16:34:34 | t0mas | I don't know the game |
| 16:34:54 | RockboxLover | a classical little game |
| 16:35:43 | amiconn | RockboxLover: I don, and I actually never missed the colouring |
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| 16:37:15 | RockboxLover | coloring it could be cool for differencing the black and red card, better for our eyes |
| 16:38:17 | RockboxLover | amiconn: did you test this patch? |
| 16:39:31 | RockboxLover | probably not :) |
| 16:40:09 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseTodo |
| 16:41:06 | RockboxLover | Hey Linus, very efficiance organisation :) |
| 16:41:42 | amiconn | RockboxLover: The colours are recognisable by the symbols. However, I think the cards should be a bit bigger on iriver |
| 16:42:04 | RockboxLover | ok |
| 16:42:53 | RockboxLover | amiconn: plus colours support is your cup of tea :) |
| 16:42:58 | CoCoLUS | who no iriver issues? |
| 16:43:06 | hshah | t0mas - see PM :) |
| 16:43:18 | t0mas | I already saw it :) |
| 16:43:23 | t0mas | I have a real client now |
| 16:43:41 | hshah | thats good :) |
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| 16:43:47 | hshah | but i don't so i didn't see ur reply :p |
| 16:43:57 | muesli- | hi XavierGr :D |
| 16:44:15 | XavierGr | Hello all! |
| 16:44:22 | RockboxLover | Hi |
| 16:44:30 | XavierGr | Wow new topic... |
| 16:44:49 | RockboxLover | not for us iriver users :) |
| 16:45:32 | XavierGr | I don't think so... even if there is not a release for iriver there will be many bugfixes. |
| 16:45:52 | RockboxLover | :) |
| 16:46:33 | RockboxLover | Have a good day all ! |
| 16:46:39 | RockboxLover | Ciao |
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| 16:47:11 | XavierGr | Muesli did you tried the modified jpeg plugin? |
| 16:47:41 | muesli- | nope, not so far |
| 16:47:45 | muesli- | but i could |
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| 16:48:41 | muesli- | is it implemented in "Based on 21st of August 12:51 daily build" |
| 16:48:42 | muesli- | ? |
| 16:49:00 | XavierGr | which? |
| 16:49:27 | muesli- | http://www.misticriver.net/photos/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=11302&pos=1 |
| 16:49:50 | XavierGr | yeah what? |
| 16:50:02 | XavierGr | ah oh no |
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| 16:50:17 | XavierGr | but when I update the build I am sure I will include it. |
| 16:50:25 | muesli- | :D |
| 16:50:42 | muesli- | excellent :D |
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| 16:51:09 | muesli- | btw could someboday edit the steps of the sleep timer |
| 16:51:20 | muesli- | 0:15 0:30 etc are too big |
| 16:51:22 | XavierGr | Now if only I could fine someone to give directions on how to sort files, qsort doesn't seem to work. |
| 16:51:42 | XavierGr | ^find lol |
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| 16:52:49 | webguest70 | on the news it said the first beep was recorded on the h300 wat does that mean |
| 16:53:05 | LinusN | it means that i traced the first connection on the pcb |
| 16:53:25 | webguest70 | Linus you rule |
| 16:53:30 | LinusN | and it said "first multimeter beep", nothing about recording |
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| 16:53:57 | webguest70 | well thats wat i ment |
| 16:54:09 | bobTHC | hi folks ! |
| 16:54:13 | B4gd3r | linus' ears recorded it ;-) |
| 16:54:22 | webguest70 | emmmmmm is there anything i can do to help |
| 16:54:47 | XavierGr | LinusN: I just finished the jpeg viewer, want to see and help me about the sorting of the files? |
| 16:55:23 | LinusN | XavierGr: i have very little time, but put it in the patch tracker |
| 16:55:39 | LinusN | webguest70: not at the moment, no |
| 16:55:49 | webguest70 | ok |
| 16:56:07 | XavierGr | fine |
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| 16:56:15 | webguest70 | how long will it take you to write the bootloader |
| 16:58:09 | webguest70 | any idea |
| 16:58:28 | bobTHC | I think someone already propose that but anyway : what do u think about a hot cue sampler like on pionneer CD players ???? "The hot cue memory sampler memorizes up to 3 cue points. These points can then be recalled by hitting either of the A, B, or C buttons. This function can also be used like a mini sampler" |
| 16:59:08 | LinusN | webguest70: i have no idea |
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| 16:59:39 | LinusN | bobTHC: why would you want this? |
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| 17:00:04 | bobTHC | to make parties ;) |
| 17:00:46 | LinusN | 3 cue points would make a real fun party |
| 17:01:04 | LinusN | i can't imagine how i managed without it all these years |
| 17:01:38 | bobTHC | it's just an idea, it's not a real need, but it's because i thinking how 32MB of the Iriver would be usefull |
| 17:01:47 | bobTHC | 3 or more ;) |
| 17:02:41 | LinusN | i think those 32mb could be used for buffering songs to save battery |
| 17:02:47 | LinusN | like we do today |
| 17:02:56 | * | LinusN is old and grumpy today |
| 17:02:58 | bobTHC | indeed, |
| 17:03:21 | bobTHC | :) |
| 17:04:12 | B4gder | hehe, doing =+ instead of += is a subtle bug in C |
| 17:04:28 | muesli- | LinusN how many mb are used for buffering so far? |
| 17:04:37 | B4gder | 30.5MB or so |
| 17:04:43 | bobTHC | but i can live quietly without this feature, it's an idea, perhaps someone could be very interrested by this feature and want to do a plugin , that's all... |
| 17:05:19 | LinusN | bobTHC: i can't even imagine what it would be used for |
| 17:06:18 | LinusN | muesli-: A-B->Info->Rockbox Info |
| 17:06:30 | muesli- | k |
| 17:06:58 | t0mas | brb |
| 17:06:59 | t0mas | reboot :) |
| 17:07:00 | bobTHC | like on professional Cdplayer, to make loops of a part of the song to make it longer or other thing like that |
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| 17:07:17 | XavierGr | LinusN: I just want a confirmation if I do the sorting right. |
| 17:07:39 | XavierGr | I have the big buffer with the names and a pointer array that points the buufer. |
| 17:07:48 | XavierGr | Then I call qsort like this: |
| 17:08:07 | XavierGr | rb->qsort(pointer, entries, sizeof(char*), compare); |
| 17:08:24 | XavierGr | But nothing happens. Files remain unsorted. |
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| 17:08:30 | webguest70 | LinusN: after the bootloader is done will the stuff(codes) from the ihp1x0s work for the h300 |
| 17:08:36 | XavierGr | Any idea if I do something dummy? |
| 17:09:17 | B4gder | we are focusing on bug fixing now |
| 17:09:22 | B4gder | that is not a bug |
| 17:10:16 | LinusN | XavierGr: i'll have a look when i find the time |
| 17:10:22 | XavierGr | ok thanks |
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| 17:10:29 | LinusN | put the patch in the tracker |
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| 17:11:03 | LinusN | webguest70: a lot needs to be changed, but most things should work |
| 17:11:54 | webguest12 | Hi. XavierGr, are you there? I tried snake2 the other day, and it seems as if the game speeds up on cpu boosts. |
| 17:12:05 | LinusN | gotta go |
| 17:12:09 | LinusN | cu later folx |
| 17:12:12 | XavierGr | bye |
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| 17:12:54 | XavierGr | webguest12: That is the way the game is implemented. It should work fine only when there are no changes in CPU frequency |
| 17:13:04 | webguest12 | Ok |
| 17:13:10 | XavierGr | I didn't touch any of the code in that aspect. |
| 17:13:12 | webguest12 | Funny though |
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| 17:13:31 | XavierGr | Do I need a sourceforge account to submit a patch |
| 17:13:32 | XavierGr | ? |
| 17:13:59 | webguest12 | Is it possible to get the current frequency from the plugin api? |
| 17:14:24 | rooomish | amiconn: which file I have to upload to flash: internal_rom_2000000-203FFFF.bin ? |
| 17:15:11 | webguest12 | Or some other way, just to make sure the timing remains the same for the plugins |
| 17:15:27 | webguest12 | even if the cpu boosts |
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| 17:17:52 | webguest12 | amiconn: do you know if this is possible. Some way to update the current timing in the plugins. |
| 17:18:28 | webguest12 | I guess the audio thread is given highest priority. |
| 17:20:16 | webguest12 | got to go, bye |
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| 18:06:12 | t0mas | hi |
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| 18:09:03 | bagawk | t0mas, hello |
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| 18:21:47 | amiconn | rooomish: What you need to flash depends on what you want |
| 18:22:19 | amiconn | If you have a ROM backup *of this very box* you can flash that (internal_rom_2000000-203FFFF.bin) |
| 18:22:43 | amiconn | Don't try to simply flash such a file from another box, even if it is the same type |
| 18:23:40 | Xetrov | amiconn, any idea about the csel issue ( http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1283.0 ) on Toshiba MK4025GAS? |
| 18:23:41 | amiconn | You can also flash a rockbox flash image from a flash package, but you will need to patch that manually with a hex editor |
| 18:23:55 | amiconn | Xetrov: I have no idea |
| 18:24:36 | rooomish | amiconn: oki - my question was premature - I am trying to download minimon - without success - the PC and Archos are not communicating :-( |
| 18:24:49 | amiconn | I would suggest to stay away from Toshiba disks because these issues (OEM models behaving different than genuine models) |
| 18:25:12 | amiconn | If they work, they work fine, but getting them to work can obviously be tricky sometimes |
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| 18:45:54 | Xetrov | so what models are known to be good all around |
| 18:45:58 | Xetrov | fujistu? |
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| 18:51:12 | bagawk | Xetrov, I would say fujitsu is bad |
| 18:51:36 | bagawk | Xetrov, I had 2 early player models, both and fujitsu disks, and both failed |
| 18:51:45 | bagawk | s/and/had |
| 18:51:54 | Xetrov | every hd fails |
| 18:51:58 | Xetrov | its thier destiny |
| 18:52:02 | Xetrov | failed how tho |
| 18:52:42 | ze | every manufacturer has made bad drives too |
| 18:52:46 | Xetrov | the toshiba seems fine.. i dont know about that csel |
| 18:52:52 | Xetrov | seems to effect some but not other |
| 18:52:55 | Xetrov | very selective |
| 18:53:13 | ze | you really can't go by which one's made a bad series, cause they all seem to have |
| 18:53:34 | Xetrov | well |
| 18:53:36 | Xetrov | i need a hd |
| 18:53:41 | Xetrov | i think ill go with the toshiba |
| 18:54:07 | Xetrov | maybe ill drop a mail at the mailing list first. |
| 18:57:29 | bagawk | I had 2 IBM travelstars, both were good |
| 18:57:52 | bagawk | I think hitachi bought them out though |
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| 18:59:45 | bagawk | Xetrov, the first quit spinning, and made this strange siren lke noise (like it had a speaker inside) |
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| 19:00:12 | bagawk | and the second, I do not remember |
| 19:00:19 | bagawk | It has been as few years |
| 19:00:46 | Xetrov | im not too worried about the hd giving out in a few years |
| 19:00:58 | Xetrov | i hope to get rid of the archos and buy a better player one day |
| 19:01:05 | Xetrov | just installation issues |
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| 19:20:16 | amiconn | Xetrov: Basically any model *should* work, but there are some I would avoid in conjunction with archos, based on experience |
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| 19:21:05 | amiconn | These are: (1) Toshiba, you know why. (2) The old Hitachi DK23CA and DK23DA series |
| 19:21:27 | amiconn | (3) Anything with more than 4200 rpm due to power consumption |
| 19:22:11 | Xetrov | alright |
| 19:22:31 | amiconn | When I upgraded my recorder I chose an 80GB IBM. No issues with that disk so far |
| 19:22:39 | Xetrov | travelstar? |
| 19:22:43 | amiconn | yup |
| 19:22:55 | Xetrov | i want 20gb, 40gb at most |
| 19:22:58 | Xetrov | i barely even use 10 |
| 19:23:32 | amiconn | Mine is an IBM IC25N080ATMR04 |
| 19:24:01 | amiconn | Perhaps a bit louder than newer Fujitsu or Samsung drives though |
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| 19:24:32 | Xetrov | im buying it through my brothers work, they have kickass retail deals |
| 19:24:38 | Xetrov | so ill look what models they offer and compare |
| 19:25:06 | webguest26 | I have read the manual, but there is no definition for "Disk spin down" and "Disk power off", whats the difference please |
| 19:25:18 | webguest26 | iriver |
| 19:25:30 | amiconn | My old 20GB drive was also an IBM. I had no issues with that either, just wanted more capacity |
| 19:25:53 | ender` | guessing: spin down stops the disk spinning, but keeps it powered on |
| 19:26:04 | amiconn | webguest26: Disk spindown is a timeout setting, determining after how many secs of inactivity it will spin down |
| 19:26:34 | amiconn | Disk poweroff is an on/off setting, determining whether the HD will switched off completely when not spinning |
| 19:26:39 | webguest26 | ok, and poweroff ? |
| 19:27:00 | webguest26 | :) |
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| 19:27:15 | amiconn | This saves some extra battery power (the standby current), but leads to a slightly longer spinup time |
| 19:27:43 | webguest26 | if it is switched off will it not start again if play or suchlike is requested ? |
| 19:27:47 | amiconn | ...because the disk has to be reinitialised on every spinup |
| 19:28:06 | amiconn | No, that has to be handled in software |
| 19:28:35 | amiconn | Off means physically off, i.e. cutting DC power (by a transistor on the mainboard) |
| 19:28:58 | rooomish | amiconn: Maybe I fount the mistake - I used for pulldown not 1K but 10K resistors. Tomorrow I am going to buy the right ones. |
| 19:29:09 | amiconn | rooomish: That's very likely then |
| 19:29:33 | amiconn | 10 k pulldown against 10k pullup on the board won't give a low level for sure |
| 19:30:01 | rooomish | amiconn: yes yes yes! |
| 19:30:21 | * | webguest26 doesn't understand the reason for disk poweroff |
| 19:30:37 | amiconn | Saving some extra battery power |
| 19:31:05 | webguest26 | but surely it has to be restarted for the next load of music |
| 19:31:08 | amiconn | If the disk is spun down but not physically switched off, the disk electronics will still consume some power |
| 19:31:53 | webguest26 | ah ok now I understand, thank you |
| 19:31:55 | amiconn | Yes, that has to be done in either case, but without physical poweroff, the disk will spin up by itself when it receives a request that requires accessing the medium |
| 19:32:27 | amiconn | That's what the electronics still needs power for - waiting for the next request |
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| 19:32:48 | webguest26 | its a question of saving a few milliamps then ? |
| 19:33:06 | ender` | anything for longer battery life :) |
| 19:33:15 | amiconn | Yes, but it's quite some percent of total consuption |
| 19:33:25 | webguest26 | understood |
| 19:33:27 | amiconn | (around 10% on archos depending on the disk model) |
| 19:33:34 | ender` | what about iriver? |
| 19:33:45 | amiconn | I guess it's around the same percentage |
| 19:34:21 | preglow | i take it no ones actually dropped by here and announced they're actually working on porting wma? |
| 19:34:38 | amiconn | The 1.8" disk might have more advanced electronics needing less milliamps |
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| 19:35:20 | webguest26 | thanks for the info |
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| 21:45:46 | bumi | hey all |
| 21:47:09 | bumi | anyone here have rockbox for iriver installed? |
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| 21:53:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | I do. Why? |
| 21:55:06 | bumi | wanted to ask if the latest boot loader is the one that has the bug of the backlight being on when connected to the PC |
| 21:55:19 | bumi | am tring to update my firmware but am having truble |
| 21:55:29 | bumi | so i thoght maybe i shold install the new bootloader |
| 21:56:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | The most recent bootloader doesn't have the backlight issue. |
| 21:56:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | What's the trouble you're having updating? |
| 21:56:48 | bumi | well |
| 21:56:59 | bumi | i just downloaded the latest build from the CVS |
| 21:57:03 | bumi | but then the player wont boot |
| 21:57:20 | bumi | the last firmware i had was buggy and allso didnt save my font settings for some reson |
| 21:57:31 | bumi | and the one before works great but i dont have the file anymore |
| 21:57:33 | bumi | :P |
| 21:58:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Odd. Are you using any patches, or just building the pure, most recent CVS? |
| 21:59:55 | bumi | pure |
| 21:59:57 | bumi | am not building |
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| 22:00:02 | bumi | am downloading it from the site... |
| 22:00:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, so the "bleeding edge" .zip? |
| 22:02:11 | bumi | yeap |
| 22:02:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | One sec. |
| 22:03:03 | bumi | k |
| 22:04:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hrm. |
| 22:05:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Everything's working on my end with the newest version. I'm not that familiar with the way everything works... |
| 22:05:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | When you're saying "won't boot" what happens? |
| 22:06:13 | bumi | well, it does the rockbox checksum |
| 22:06:18 | bumi | said its wrong |
| 22:06:22 | bumi | and boots to the original firmware |
| 22:06:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hrm |
| 22:06:35 | bumi | ok |
| 22:06:39 | bumi | recopyed |
| 22:06:43 | bumi | it was fixed |
| 22:06:48 | bumi | lets see if the other thing is fixed |
| 22:06:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was about to suggest that |
| 22:06:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Did your fonts just reset to default? |
| 22:07:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because they did change to a new config version, which means basically, all settings got reset. |
| 22:07:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's generally best, once you've picked an WPS you like, and a font, and everything, to go to the Manage Settings menu, and safe a config file with your settings. |
| 22:07:59 | bumi | i know |
| 22:08:11 | bumi | am tring to redownload the fonts i want |
| 22:08:16 | bumi | the hebrew ones |
| 22:08:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh,so if you pick the fonts, then leave the menus, shut down, and restart, it's back to a default font? |
| 22:08:55 | bumi | that was the problem |
| 22:09:03 | bumi | ill get the fonts back |
| 22:09:13 | bumi | and see if it still happends |
| 22:09:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 22:10:00 | bumi | say, i heard of a butten combo you can click that is like the reset botten |
| 22:10:04 | bumi | do you know what it is? |
| 22:10:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | I haven't heard ofi t. |
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| 22:14:44 | bumi | yay |
| 22:14:45 | bumi | it works |
| 22:14:48 | bumi | thanks |
| 22:15:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Heh, I didn't really do anything. |
| 22:15:10 | bumi | so whats the advantage of updating to the latest boot loader? |
| 22:16:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not much. I think it's a little bit faster loading, and a few noises that happen when you plug in / remove usb cable have been removed, if I recall |
| 22:16:21 | bumi | oh |
| 22:16:26 | bumi | so its all perty minor |
| 22:16:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Seems that way. |
| 22:16:42 | bumi | k |
| 22:16:51 | bumi | i love rockbox |
| 22:16:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Basically, if what you've got works, may as well stay with it until there's compelling cause to upgrade. |
| 22:17:11 | bumi | the new BiDi sepport is realy realy goodf |
| 22:17:29 | bumi | there is problems when i switch songs |
| 22:17:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm a native English speaker, so it's not too useful for me, but I like the fact such things are there. |
| 22:17:37 | bumi | and then the player freazes |
| 22:17:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | What format are your songs in? |
| 22:18:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | I remember reading sometime in the last couple days about a fix for a freeze, or crash, or something when songs switched. |
| 22:18:14 | bumi | mostly 192k MP3's |
| 22:18:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hrm... I think it was OGG that the fix was for. |
| 22:18:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | I really can't remember. =/ |
| 22:18:46 | bumi | dont use ogg too much |
| 22:18:51 | bumi | am a emule lover |
| 22:18:55 | bumi | :D |
| 22:18:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 22:19:18 | bumi | ever heard of something called XSS? |
| 22:19:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Most of my music comes from my own CDs, so it's all lossless wavpacks. (I don't have that much of my own music.) The rest of it is OCRemixes. |
| 22:19:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nope. |
| 22:19:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | What is it? |
| 22:19:52 | bumi | am going to ireland on wensday |
| 22:20:07 | bumi | so i hope to get into the irish music as well |
| 22:20:15 | bumi | now i like mostly rock |
| 22:20:20 | bumi | hebrew music |
| 22:20:29 | bumi | blink 182 |
| 22:20:34 | bumi | linkin park |
| 22:20:38 | bumi | stuff like that |
| 22:20:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Gotcha |
| 22:20:49 | bumi | allso chill music |
| 22:20:56 | bumi | and black |
| 22:21:07 | bumi | california love is my fav |
| 22:21:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | I listen to... well... almost anything that isn't "Rap" or "Country/Western" heh. |
| 22:21:51 | bumi | are you a programer? |
| 22:22:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | I haven't programmed C in years, though Rockbox tempts me daily. |
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| 22:26:54 | webguest05 | does rockbox normalize playback volume at all? |
| 22:27:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | How do you mean? |
| 22:28:31 | webguest05 | ripped stuff is at different volumes so a lot of the time say on random play i have to mess with the volume because some tracks are louder than others |
| 22:28:49 | webguest05 | it would be nice to not have to mess with the volume all the time |
| 22:28:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes and no then |
| 22:29:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Basically, find a program that can replaygain scan your files |
| 22:29:03 | webguest05 | what do you mean |
| 22:29:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Foobar2000, vorbisgain for oggs, mp3gain for MP3s (just scan, do NOT change) |
| 22:29:16 | webguest05 | yeah doesn't that affect quality though? |
| 22:29:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nope |
| 22:29:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Replaygain just tells the player an offset for the gain, it doesn't reencode or anything |
| 22:29:40 | webguest05 | that runs on the iriver? |
| 22:29:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Once you've had a program tag the files, yes. |
| 22:30:11 | webguest05 | oh so you run it on the pc agains your files then the rockbox reads it from the tag? |
| 22:30:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | the files get tagged with the offset, and Rockbox reads that tag, and adjusts the gain so that at a given volume, the songs sound the same "loudness" approximately |
| 22:30:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yep, exactly |
| 22:30:39 | webguest05 | neat |
| 22:31:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | I recommend Foobar2000, though some people have problems with it. |
| 22:31:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because it can tag all playable formats, so you can just create a playlist of all the files on your player, then run the replaygain operation. |
| 22:32:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | But it *can* clear ID3 tags, if you have mixed V1 and V2 tags, apparently. |
| 22:32:17 | webguest05 | all i have are ogg |
| 22:33:04 | webguest05 | don't really care about tags just use dir structure |
| 22:33:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, with Oggs it works fine. |
| 22:33:14 | webguest05 | thanks! |
| 22:33:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's *just* MP3s that it can have issues with, as far as I know. |
| 22:33:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ogg, Flac, Wavpack, etc, have been no problem for me. |
| 22:33:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Good luck! |
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| 22:42:22 | webguest93 | webguest05: there's a guide at mictic river on 'how to rpelaygain mp3 files', its the same for ogg |
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| 23:08:30 | arp | so how far along is rockbox on the gmini xs200? |
| 23:09:13 | Bagder | it has stalled |
| 23:09:17 | arp | awe |
| 23:09:27 | Bagder | no one does anything for the gmini anymore |
| 23:09:33 | arp | got it |
| 23:09:52 | Bagder | but it was fairly far going |
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| 23:10:36 | arp | oh well. I liked the price of the archos gmini (compared to iriver) :) |
| 23:11:06 | Shebb | I am trying to get a song's time elapsed working properly in a plugin but I am having to luck |
| 23:11:53 | Shebb | the value in mp3entry::elapsed lags behind what it should be |
| 23:12:11 | Bagder | a cheap player is not worth it if it can't run rockbox! |
| 23:12:41 | arp | exactly |
| 23:13:07 | arp | which iriver is best supported (or will be supported in the long run)? |
| 23:13:50 | arp | (asking cause it seems for new players, iriver is better supported by rockbox than archos) |
| 23:15:38 | BBub | what do you mean with better supported? |
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| 23:15:56 | Bagder | iriver h1x0 is the only iriver supported atm |
| 23:16:16 | Bagder | but it is out of production |
| 23:16:28 | t0mas | anybody intrested in DoS-ing some idiot? |
| 23:16:32 | t0mas | 80.127.68.21 |
| 23:16:35 | t0mas | only port 6667 open |
| 23:16:37 | BBub | not really |
| 23:16:38 | t0mas | IRCD |
| 23:16:52 | arp | got it |
| 23:16:58 | arp | I mean understood |
| 23:17:10 | arp | I found a store selling the 120 |
| 23:17:22 | BBub | there are some |
| 23:17:29 | BBub | there is also one in my town |
| 23:17:36 | BBub | got one for a friend from there ;) |
| 23:18:44 | arp | its still qu9ite pricey for something thats out of production :) |
| 23:19:05 | BBub | i paid 250 euro for it |
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| 23:20:11 | Bagder | well, it is a quite good player |
| 23:20:24 | Bagder | our of production or not |
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| 23:22:08 | BBub | has the best sound i heared so far |
| 23:22:11 | BBub | the h10 is worse |
| 23:23:54 | stripwax_ | hello |
| 23:25:45 | Shebb | hi |
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| 23:36:32 | Bagder | hey LinusN |
| 23:36:49 | LinusN | yo |
| 23:38:17 | BBub | g'evening |
| 23:39:43 | Shebb | LinusN: mp3entry::elapsed lags behind what it should be in a plugin. This is rather annoying |
| 23:39:56 | LinusN | ok, gcc 3.3.6 is now installed in the build server |
| 23:40:09 | LinusN | Shebb: which platform? |
| 23:40:27 | Shebb | H100 |
| 23:40:41 | Shebb | Just by a second or two |
| 23:40:49 | LinusN | which codec? |
| 23:40:59 | Shebb | Mp3 is the only one I tested |
| 23:41:11 | Shebb | slasher recomended I tried pcmbuf_get_latency |
| 23:41:17 | LinusN | so it's 1-2s behind? |
| 23:41:24 | Shebb | but I did not get the right resutls |
| 23:41:56 | Shebb | Yeah, I am making a lyrics plugin and the words come a little after each line is sung |
| 23:42:35 | LinusN | oh, pcmbuf_get_latency() has a rather bad roundoff error |
| 23:42:44 | LinusN | not related to your problem thogh |
| 23:42:48 | Shebb | I will quote Slasher here: |
| 23:42:48 | Shebb | hmm, interesting. The id3.elapsed -field should have the most recent elapsed time synced with real audio output |
| 23:42:54 | Shebb | so the buffer elapsed time is a few seconds more than the real elapsed time reported by that id3 field |
| 23:43:57 | Shebb | He recomended I tried to use pcmbuf_get_latency but that value builds up to around 11 seconds which is not the error I am experiencing |
| 23:45:21 | LinusN | the id3->elapsed value is already adjusted for pcm buffer latency |
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| 23:52:07 | Shebb | As far as I know the wps calculates everything using that value so I think it is rather strange that the plugin section gets a lower value from it |
| 23:52:43 | LinusN | sounds very strange |
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| 23:55:05 | LinusN | Shebb: where does the lyrics data come from? |
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| 23:56:40 | Shebb | An .lrc file |
| 23:56:47 | Shebb | However that is not too important |
| 23:57:00 | Shebb | I have a counter running with the elapsed time |
| 23:57:20 | Shebb | By ear I can see that it is off compared to the wps counter |
| 23:57:48 | LinusN | ok |
| 23:58:19 | LinusN | Shebb: can i have your plugin? |
| 23:58:25 | LinusN | source code |
| 23:58:33 | Shebb | no problem, where can I place it? |
| 23:58:40 | LinusN | anywhere :-) |
| 23:58:48 | LinusN | or email it |
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