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| 00:41:49 | stripwax_ | hey |
| 00:42:14 | stripwax_ | so, I asked on here a couple of days ago if rockbox would get confused if rockbox.tagdb was generated from a different filesystem than actually on my iriver. |
| 00:42:51 | stripwax_ | turns out it gets hella confused if I select a track which is in the tagdb (i.e. on the filesystem on which the tagdb was generated) which is actually not on my iriver ... rockbox just totally hangs. I needed to reset |
| 00:47:05 | stripwax_ | oh, and songdb.pl took about six hours to run @ 133Mhz, which is kinda uncool |
| 00:47:51 | ashridah | six hours! |
| 00:47:52 | ashridah | whoa |
| 00:48:00 | ashridah | does that machine have DMA hd access? |
| 00:48:22 | stripwax_ | that machine has an external USB2 hdd |
| 00:49:29 | stripwax_ | but USB2 isn't actually so slow, so I'd guess the bottleneck is maybe the CRC calc in perl |
| 00:52:11 | stripwax_ | any ideas why browsing my tagdb causes rockbox to hang? sorta sucky. |
| 00:53:50 | amiconn | Browsing shouldn't hang it |
| 00:53:59 | stripwax_ | Woah. Also, any way to make the fileviewer show tracks in file number order when browsing artist -> album -> tracks? |
| 00:54:07 | amiconn | ...regadless of what weird path is stored in the db |
| 00:54:10 | stripwax_ | yeah - shouldn't hang it.. but seems to. |
| 00:54:27 | amiconn | File number order??? |
| 00:54:32 | stripwax_ | Hrm, can't reproduce it though |
| 00:54:37 | stripwax_ | amiconn - er,, track number order, i mean |
| 00:54:50 | amiconn | Hmm, I don't know... |
| 00:56:39 | stripwax_ | Maybe the hang while browsing was a one off. I can't even reproduce hang-while-selecting-a-track-that-isn't-in-the-filesystem right now either. weird |
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| 00:57:13 | * | amiconn is confused atm |
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| 00:57:55 | amiconn | Why there is both a 'Folder' and a 'Directory' icon in icons.c, which different images? The latters seems to be unused... |
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| 01:13:19 | stripwax_ | weird - you're not wrong - |
| 01:14:12 | amiconn | Found a total of 7 unused icons... |
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| 01:17:48 | wrecker | WIKI HELP!!!! Hi people. I've done some major updating ot the WikiManual today. This is the first time I've ever updated a Wiki page, so please forgive me if I did anything wrong. Despite my best efforts, the fonts for the TOC levels seem to have gone a bit wrong for me, and some TOC (Headings) level 3 and 4 items seem to have swapped for some reason. If anyone can explain to me why, I'd love to know!!! As an example, check out the fonts showing for |
| 01:19:24 | wrecker | I may not be on IRC for long, so if anyone can look into it and explain what has happened, my Wiki name is EdSolman and my email is eddiesolman@hotmail.com. Thx |
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| 01:28:58 | wrecker | OK. Got to go, hopefully someone will be able to help me work out what I did wrong. Everything looks OK in the Table of Contents, but the fonts just display incorrectly on the page. Email me on the address above. Thanks in advance, Ed. |
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| 02:34:27 | FingerSoup | Hey all - I'm interested in learning how to code with rockbox... I thought that building a plugin would be a good place to start. I am an iRiver user... I have a couple questions... |
| 02:35:49 | FingerSoup | first - with the development environment - I'm at this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment and I am wondering what do I need to do that is different from the instructions (ie: how to build a crosscompiler) |
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| 06:46:30 | LinusN | GAAAAH! the h300 bdm port connector isn't pin-compatible with the h100! :-( |
| 06:53:34 | LinusN | oh, wait |
| 06:53:55 | LinusN | lol, the silk screen on the h300 pcb was wrong |
| 06:56:33 | LinusN | it is compatible |
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| 07:22:55 | B4gder | talking to yourself LinusN? ;-) |
| 07:23:04 | LinusN | yup :-) |
| 07:23:59 | Bger | morning :) |
| 07:24:25 | * | B4gder started his morning by setting off the burglar alarm at his customer's place |
| 07:24:32 | * | Paul_The_Nerd mutters. |
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| 07:24:45 | B4gder | what a grand way to start! |
| 07:24:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Every few day when I click a log it opens the .txt in notepad rather than in-browser. |
| 07:25:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Some days I just feel like any technology apptitude I thought I had went away. |
| 07:25:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Did they not warn you about it B4gder, or was it like... supposed to be disabled or something? |
| 07:25:43 | B4gder | it was supposed to be either locked or disabled |
| 07:25:56 | B4gder | it was neither, I just walked in and triggered it ;-) |
| 07:26:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Indeed a grand way to start. |
| 07:26:38 | amiconn | morning |
| 07:28:25 | LinusN | Paul_The_Nerd: the open-in-text-editor happens because the irc log contains ascii control characters |
| 07:28:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah |
| 07:28:41 | B4gder | stupid browsers |
| 07:28:47 | LinusN | B4gder: nah |
| 07:28:54 | B4gder | or trying-to-be-clever actually |
| 07:28:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is there any way around that, or should I just get a better text editor for when it does? |
| 07:29:08 | * | Paul_The_Nerd hasn't bothered replacing notepad on his laptop *yet* |
| 07:29:12 | LinusN | we should: |
| 07:29:36 | LinusN | 1) ban all idiots with stupid quit messages containing control chars |
| 07:29:41 | LinusN | 2) filter the logs |
| 07:29:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Heh |
| 07:29:58 | LinusN | 00.07.37 Quit [-AIR-] ("$(OI-(Bn-v-i-s-i-o-n$(O (B2.0 Build 3515") |
| 07:30:23 | amiconn | LinusN: Any result on your attempt to reduce bookmark code size? Any news on other items on the release todo? |
| 07:30:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've been reading the logs daily now, scanning between my Quits and my Joins. Except days where I have to use notepad because it doesn't do endlines well. |
| 07:30:36 | LinusN | amiconn: no news at all, been busy |
| 07:31:56 | amiconn | With bdm? ;) |
| 07:32:43 | amiconn | I started going through apps code yesterday, already regained a bit of space :) |
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| 07:46:51 | rooomish2 | amiconn: my Archos is alive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Many thanks for help. |
| 07:47:01 | B4gder | wow |
| 07:47:07 | B4gder | congrats rooomish |
| 07:47:33 | rooomish2 | b4gder: thanks too :-) |
| 07:48:04 | amiconn | rooomish2: Nice :) |
| 07:48:38 | rooomish2 | :-)) |
| 07:48:57 | LinusN | rooomish2: congrats! |
| 07:51:45 | B4gder | whoa, intel announces 1.2GHz Xscale |
| 07:52:31 | rooomish2 | LinusN: :-) |
| 07:58:57 | * | t0mas has to go |
| 07:59:02 | t0mas | c u all friday again :) |
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| 08:25:07 | LinusN | can the original archos firmware do mp3 file splitting? |
| 08:25:56 | B4gder | I don't think so |
| 08:26:07 | LinusN | http://www.misticriver.net/boards/showthread.php?t=27650 |
| 08:26:56 | B4gder | "insert artificial breaks into MP3s" ? |
| 08:28:09 | B4gder | I never used the original firmware much |
| 08:28:15 | B4gder | and when I did, it was early 2002 |
| 08:28:24 | LinusN | i'm trying it now, for the first time in years |
| 08:28:28 | B4gder | and I certainly never recorded with it |
| 08:28:28 | LinusN | yuck |
| 08:28:38 | Bger | wow :))))) |
| 08:29:03 | Bger | this must be noted somewhere :) |
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| 08:44:56 | amiconn | Ouch! WHile optimising the keyboard code, I found a potential overflow problem: |
| 08:55:16 | Bger | amiconn? |
| 08:55:18 | Rick | Isn't that a good thing? |
| 08:55:25 | Bger | Rick: hahaha |
| 08:56:09 | Rick | what? |
| 08:56:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think he meant "isn't finding it a good thing" |
| 08:56:30 | Bger | ahaa:) |
| 08:57:03 | Bger | maybe, but it sounded like "isn't the buffer overflow a good thing?" |
| 08:58:35 | Bger | amiconn: where is the problem ? |
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| 09:03:31 | amiconn | Bger: The problem was that the calculation whether it is allowed to add another character didn't take the trailing zero byte into account. It's fixed in my commit |
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| 09:05:31 | Bger | 1 byte overflow:) |
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| 09:18:32 | B4gder | been very quiet on the x5 austriancoder front recently |
| 09:18:41 | LinusN | yeah |
| 09:19:39 | CoCoLUS | well, considering the fact that the western half of austria is currently drowning in water... |
| 09:19:55 | CoCoLUS | maybe he got caught in that |
| 09:20:17 | CoCoLUS | http://www.kurier.at/mmedia/24.08.2005/1124863402_3.jpg :/ |
| 09:21:17 | * | Bger has seen such views recently in bulgaria... hopefully, only on the TV |
| 09:22:29 | CoCoLUS | i'm living in the eastern part of austria, luckily |
| 09:22:57 | CoCoLUS | but we had similar floods... |
| 09:23:12 | Bger | this summer is not at all summer ... |
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| 09:39:32 | * | LinusN flags a "second system" warning for the multiple font support |
| 09:40:39 | Bger | LinusN: i.e. ? |
| 09:40:52 | LinusN | UNIX philosophy |
| 09:41:20 | LinusN | the Second System is the version that tries to solve all possible needs and becomes a huge bloated mess |
| 09:41:31 | LinusN | like X11 |
| 09:41:54 | B4gder | we haven't managed to add mail reading yet ;-) |
| 09:42:03 | LinusN | :-) |
| 09:42:13 | Bger | is anyone working on this (multi. font supp.)? |
| 09:42:29 | B4gder | we're still throwing around ideas on the list |
| 09:42:32 | CoCoLUS | port pine |
| 09:42:37 | CoCoLUS | then you have mail reading :) |
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| 09:46:30 | LinusN | hmmm, maybe we should adapt the windows installer so it can install iriver too= |
| 09:46:32 | LinusN | ? |
| 09:46:47 | B4gder | that would be useful |
| 09:46:56 | CoCoLUS | thus, not wanted :P |
| 09:47:06 | LinusN | i'm an innosetup cluebie though |
| 09:47:08 | Bger | LinusN did you reject the idea of rockbox.iriver being in the .rockbox dir ? |
| 09:47:38 | LinusN | no |
| 09:47:47 | B4gder | LinusN: yeah, we might need Cassandra magic for that |
| 09:48:50 | Bger | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualPlugins#Games <= iirc there was a table somewhere in the wiki with checkmarks |
| 09:49:15 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginIndex |
| 09:49:16 | Bger | yep, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginIndex |
| 09:49:42 | LinusN | that table is soo wrong for the iriver |
| 09:50:45 | LinusN | maybe we should remove Iriverify |
| 09:50:56 | LinusN | no need for it nowadays |
| 09:51:21 | Bger | not if you have .wmas ... |
| 09:51:28 | LinusN | ah, yes |
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| 10:06:53 | B4gder | doesn't iriverify work on the Archos models? |
| 10:07:24 | B4gder | I see no ifdefs preventing that |
| 10:07:27 | LinusN | it should, but that would be quite unnecessary |
| 10:07:57 | LinusN | no need to build it for the archos imho |
| 10:08:20 | B4gder | right, it isn't |
| 10:08:27 | B4gder | #if CONFIG_HWCODEC == MASNONE |
| 10:08:41 | B4gder | whatever it has to do with the codecs ;-) |
| 10:08:42 | LinusN | very weird ifdef |
| 10:09:29 | LinusN | well, we constantly frown upon model checks, so i don't blame him |
| 10:09:52 | B4gder | this is a case where a model check seems the most appropriate |
| 10:09:58 | LinusN | yup |
| 10:23:47 | Bger | LinusN: one more idea about exception handling: what about making it to power off the unit after certain time (like 3-5 mins) ? |
| 10:24:21 | LinusN | Bger: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseTodo |
| 10:24:38 | LinusN | " We should try to disable the hard drive when panic()ing, so the batteries aren't drained. Perhaps a timeout and a shutdown?" |
| 10:24:49 | Bger | ok, sorry |
| 10:25:05 | Bger | i was reading the mail archive |
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| 10:50:57 | amiconn | LinusN: I vote for changing CONFIG_HWCODEC into CONFIG_CODEC and MASNONE into SWCODEC |
| 10:51:17 | LinusN | amiconn: gets my vote too |
| 10:51:28 | amiconn | ...and iriverify is one (rare) case where I would vote to check for model |
| 10:51:36 | LinusN | amiconn: gets my vote too |
| 10:52:00 | * | B4gder raises hand in favour |
| 10:52:46 | amiconn | I also had an idea for the number talking problem |
| 10:53:06 | amiconn | ...which kinda requires localisation v2 ;) |
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| 10:56:04 | LinusN | aha, "ein und zwanzig" |
| 10:56:19 | amiconn | yup |
| 10:56:36 | amiconn | I'm fairly sure other languages need that too |
| 10:56:55 | B4gder | yes, danish comes to mind |
| 10:57:18 | B4gder | isn't french weird too? |
| 10:57:56 | LinusN | just as weird as danish |
| 10:58:11 | B4gder | not really designed for machines ;-) |
| 10:58:18 | LinusN | :-) |
| 10:58:21 | B4gder | bastards! |
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| 11:21:58 | LinusN | antonius hellman pointed out a problem with the status bar redrawing |
| 11:22:20 | LinusN | i had a hard time figuring out why his fix worked |
| 11:22:51 | LinusN | status_draw() refreshed the status bar for every call |
| 11:24:22 | linuxstb | Morning all. Thought I would mention that I've started work on a Sudoku plugin, if anyone's interested. |
| 11:24:51 | * | LinusN googles for "sodoku" |
| 11:25:07 | LinusN | aha |
| 11:25:08 | Bger | linuxstb: is this the game that u must have all numbers from 1 to 9 in all rows/columns ? |
| 11:25:40 | LinusN | http://kjell.haxx.se/sudoku/ |
| 11:25:51 | linuxstb | Yep. Plus in the 3x3 sub-grids. |
| 11:26:24 | LinusN | that is a sodoku solver |
| 11:26:29 | Bger | what coincidence... i read about it 2 days ago :) |
| 11:26:49 | amiconn | Imho the playstatus wps patch is implemented in a rather sub-optimal fashion |
| 11:27:04 | LinusN | how should it be solved? |
| 11:27:04 | Bger | amiconn: bugfix it :) |
| 11:27:17 | amiconn | It delivers a fixed character per mode, however, it would be better if it would act like a condition |
| 11:27:36 | LinusN | like a switch? |
| 11:28:04 | amiconn | We don't have a swicth syntax atm, but it could work like an if() |
| 11:28:37 | amiconn | This way one could use any desired character per mode, even a conditional image as soon as that is supported |
| 11:30:19 | LinusN | iiuc you can use the "if" construct on those tags |
| 11:30:36 | LinusN | would be a nasty nested one, but it should work |
| 11:35:19 | amiconn | How? |
| 11:35:58 | amiconn | If I look at wps-display.c, lines 590ff, it look like these tags return a specific letter if the mode is active, and nothing if it isn't |
| 11:36:35 | amiconn | Hmm, maybe you're right... |
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| 11:38:19 | LinusN | the key is the nothing |
| 11:38:48 | LinusN | the letter returned is irrelevant |
| 11:45:15 | CoCoLUS | <fn~Bger> what coincidence... i read about it 2 days ago :) |
| 11:45:22 | CoCoLUS | no wonders, it seems to be all the rage nowadays :) |
| 11:45:37 | Bger | :) |
| 11:47:25 | linuxstb | For Sudoku, I need to display the 9x9 grid of numbers on the screen. Any suggestions for dealing with the different LCD sizes of the various targets? |
| 11:48:04 | LinusN | yes, calculate the placement using LCD_WIDTH and LCD_HEIGHT |
| 11:48:08 | Bger | LCD_WIDTH |
| 11:48:18 | linuxstb | But what about the font size for the numbers? |
| 11:48:26 | LinusN | and maybe even decide if the font fits |
| 11:48:54 | LinusN | if the user selected font fits, you should use it, else use the internal font |
| 11:50:21 | linuxstb | OK. I'll draw the grid based on LCD_WIDTH and LCD_HEIGHT, calculate the cell size, and then find a font. |
| 11:50:38 | linuxstb | When you say "internal font", do you mean FONT_SYSFIXED? |
| 11:50:46 | LinusN | yes |
| 11:51:07 | linuxstb | How do I get the user's font? Is that by not selecting any font at all? |
| 11:51:15 | LinusN | FONT_UI |
| 11:52:10 | LinusN | you will have problems on the archos |
| 11:52:26 | linuxstb | I'll need a font about 5 pixels high. |
| 11:52:33 | LinusN | yes |
| 11:53:01 | linuxstb | Minesweeper defines some bitmaps which I could use - they are 5 pixel high numerals. |
| 11:53:06 | LinusN | maybe you should have 0-9 as bitmaps |
| 11:53:12 | LinusN | on all targets |
| 11:53:26 | LinusN | with different sizes |
| 11:53:32 | linuxstb | That's what I was thinking, and optimise the size for each LCD size. |
| 11:53:39 | LinusN | yeah |
| 11:53:59 | linuxstb | So I would ignore the fonts completely? |
| 11:54:07 | LinusN | do that |
| 11:54:27 | LinusN | how do you plan to do the input? |
| 11:55:12 | LinusN | i suggest cursor movement with joystick, and joy push to cycle the number on the selected square |
| 11:55:27 | LinusN | and it only cycles between the unused numbers |
| 11:55:32 | linuxstb | I've done that already. On the iriver, you move a cursor using the joystick, press it to toggle between "navigate" and "insert" mode, and then move it left/right in insert mode to select the number. |
| 11:55:49 | linuxstb | I think I've done what you suggest. |
| 11:56:01 | LinusN | almost |
| 11:56:09 | linuxstb | But at the moment I cycle through all the numbers. I'm not sure how much help I want the computer to give the user. |
| 11:56:32 | linuxstb | Sorry, it is slightly different. |
| 11:56:32 | LinusN | it should have a solver imho :-) |
| 11:56:54 | LinusN | only using unused numbers isn't too much help imho |
| 11:57:39 | linuxstb | A similar problem to solving is actually generating the games in the first place. |
| 11:57:49 | LinusN | yes |
| 11:58:09 | Bger | linuxstb: i suggest up/down for cycling through the numbers |
| 11:58:22 | LinusN | Bger: agreed |
| 11:58:37 | linuxstb | I thnk I'll have some pre-generated games, the option to start with a blank grid (to copy a newspaper puzzle for example), and a randomly generated game. |
| 11:58:50 | linuxstb | Why up/down and not left/right? |
| 11:58:50 | LinusN | and a solver :-) |
| 11:58:59 | LinusN | because it's more intuitive |
| 11:59:02 | Bger | yep |
| 11:59:09 | LinusN | up to raise, down to lower |
| 11:59:28 | Bger | as usually, LinusN outstripped me ... |
| 11:59:33 | linuxstb | Well, both could work. - I find an X-axis just as intuitive as a Y-axis. |
| 11:59:56 | LinusN | in fact, i think i would like my input method better |
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| 12:00:18 | LinusN | because you will always try to move the cursor while in input mode |
| 12:00:49 | LinusN | less annoying |
| 12:01:03 | linuxstb | LinusN: I'll try your method and see how it feels. But I've already implemented my method, and I like it. |
| 12:01:07 | Bger | hm, i prefer the linuxstb's variant |
| 12:01:11 | LinusN | but my method will of course involve major joystick clicking :-) |
| 12:01:22 | linuxstb | I feel a config option coming up already... |
| 12:01:28 | LinusN | hehe |
| 12:01:29 | Bger | hahaha :) |
| 12:01:58 | Bger | LinusN: exactly, major joystick clicking ... |
| 12:02:04 | linuxstb | Gotta go - no more Euros. |
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| 12:02:09 | Bger | and if you put wrong number, you can't revert easily... |
| 12:02:18 | LinusN | exactly |
| 12:02:49 | LinusN | as long as it is perfectly clear which mode you're in... |
| 12:03:17 | Bger | with 2bit color it's not so hard :) |
| 12:03:28 | Bger | ok, 2bit gray |
| 12:03:55 | LinusN | there are probably several ways of doing it |
| 12:04:04 | LinusN | like a big icon ono the side |
| 12:04:09 | LinusN | or something |
| 12:04:32 | Bger | more complicated ones are blinking when in one of the modes |
| 12:04:43 | LinusN | sure |
| 12:04:43 | Bger | or something similar |
| 12:05:38 | Bger | ideas for other games like this one ? |
| 12:06:30 | LinusN | http://amiga.emucamp.com/thromulus.htm |
| 12:07:16 | LinusN | that's a game i'd like |
| 12:07:39 | Bger | description ? |
| 12:07:46 | Bger | i don't have amiga :) |
| 12:08:04 | Bger | maybe in the .zip |
| 12:08:05 | LinusN | use an emulatore |
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| 12:10:32 | Bger | for example ? |
| 12:10:52 | LinusN | winuae |
| 12:11:13 | Bger | 10x |
| 12:15:15 | Bger | what ROM ? |
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| 12:17:34 | preglow | roflol |
| 12:18:59 | Bger | already in a more internet-ish land |
| 12:19:00 | Bger | ? |
| 12:19:29 | preglow | yes, idneed |
| 12:19:44 | Bger | greets :) |
| 12:19:58 | preglow | located in oslo now |
| 12:20:14 | preglow | someone, please tell me what part of my computer that emits a high-pitched whine |
| 12:20:19 | preglow | araound 8khz |
| 12:20:43 | Bger | harddisk ? :) |
| 12:20:51 | preglow | heh |
| 12:20:51 | preglow | think not |
| 12:20:58 | preglow | i'm hoping its not the psu |
| 12:21:00 | preglow | but it usually is |
| 12:21:46 | Bger | seriously, i had one IBM, which didn't had one of its gaskets ..and it made very annoying sound |
| 12:22:09 | Bger | rubber gaskets... |
| 12:22:28 | Bger | but the PSU is a good guess |
| 12:22:41 | ReKleSS | a fan somewhere? |
| 12:23:20 | Bger | 8kHz ... i don't think it's a fan |
| 12:30:08 | preglow | nah, the fan in this psu is large, and rotates pretty slowly |
| 12:33:38 | * | B4gder mutters |
| 12:34:16 | B4gder | debian dist-upgrade upgraded my valgrind and now my valgrind-using scripts die ;-/ |
| 12:34:32 | ReKleSS | lol |
| 12:34:51 | ReKleSS | I've tried using valgrind a few times... usually takes too much time to do all the suppression stuff |
| 12:34:54 | B4gder | they removed a command line option I use |
| 12:35:16 | B4gder | my script runs tests and scans valgrind reports on its own |
| 12:35:26 | B4gder | rather sweet actually, when it works |
| 12:35:40 | ReKleSS | ah |
| 12:35:47 | ReKleSS | btw, you using valgrind 3.0 now? |
| 12:36:00 | B4gder | yes |
| 12:36:06 | B4gder | −−logfile has turned into −−log-file |
| 12:36:08 | B4gder | ;-O |
| 12:36:22 | ReKleSS | heh |
| 12:36:28 | ReKleSS | is it just me or is addrcheck missing? |
| 12:36:57 | LinusN | missing? |
| 12:37:00 | B4gder | man page mentions it |
| 12:37:13 | ReKleSS | yeah |
| 12:37:19 | ReKleSS | but it seems to be missing from the list of tools |
| 12:38:00 | LinusN | preglow: 8khz? |
| 12:38:07 | B4gder | ReKleSS: ah, yes, here too |
| 12:38:11 | LinusN | and not 7.2khz? |
| 12:38:21 | Bger | 7200 ? :) |
| 12:38:55 | ReKleSS | bah |
| 12:40:16 | preglow | LinusN: might be, i'm not a very accurate spectrum analyzer ;) |
| 12:40:39 | LinusN | 7200 rpm hard disk perhaps? |
| 12:41:20 | preglow | ahh, no, it's too erratic |
| 12:41:34 | Febs | Plus, isn't kHz cycles per second, not minute? |
| 12:41:37 | preglow | it starts and stops all the time |
| 12:41:46 | preglow | khz is thousand cycles per second |
| 12:42:13 | Bger | try locating the sound with ear |
| 12:43:06 | * | LinusN is stupid |
| 12:44:04 | ReKleSS | anyone want to calculate the rotational velocity of a platter at 120r/s? :p |
| 12:44:04 | preglow | i'm pretty certain this is a psu component |
| 12:44:06 | ReKleSS | errr |
| 12:44:08 | ReKleSS | 7200/s |
| 12:45:23 | preglow | it's not easy to hear where it comes from |
| 12:46:57 | ReKleSS | ...speakers? |
| 12:48:22 | preglow | heh, no, pc |
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| 13:11:03 | amiconn | preglow: My guess would be some switching converter; either psu or on the mobo |
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| 13:11:53 | preglow | amiconn: that's exactly my guess too |
| 13:12:15 | solex | What exactly is displayed by "View Runtime" in the debug menu? |
| 13:12:21 | preglow | BUT, the fact that the sound didn't use to be there still remains |
| 13:12:23 | preglow | hmm |
| 13:12:24 | amiconn | My laptop also does this, and I even know which converter it is - the one for the display backlight |
| 13:12:45 | preglow | i thought the switching frequency should be higher than we can hear |
| 13:13:59 | amiconn | ReKleSS: I suggest calculating the centrifugal acceleration at the outer edge of the platters. Gives pretty astonishing results... |
| 13:15:13 | preglow | and this was a bloody expensive psu as well, with a low dba rating |
| 13:15:52 | B4gder | zagor bought a fanless PSU |
| 13:15:55 | B4gder | quite a beast |
| 13:16:15 | preglow | oh yes |
| 13:16:39 | preglow | there's a fan in this one, it's just very large, but hell, that doesn't matter much if the switching frequency is audble |
| 13:16:42 | preglow | audible |
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| 13:41:08 | linuxstb | Is there an easy way to test for a long joystick press on the iriver? |
| 13:41:28 | Bger | button repeat ? |
| 13:42:07 | linuxstb | No, a single long press - like the one that brings up the context menu in the file browser |
| 13:42:23 | Bger | afaik this is the way |
| 13:42:30 | LinusN | that's the way |
| 13:42:55 | Bger | see tree.c (or i'm wrong) |
| 13:42:57 | LinusN | BUTTON_SELECT|BUTTON_REPEAT |
| 13:43:54 | linuxstb | For Sudoku, I'm thinking of going with Linus's idea, but a long press on the joystick will toggle to my idea of an "insert mode". |
| 13:44:13 | Bger | and short ? |
| 13:44:29 | linuxstb | Short changes the number under the cursor. |
| 13:45:13 | Bger | if you do it this way, i'm sure i'll make a patch for myself :) |
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| 13:46:01 | webguest95 | preglow: just read the logs, I got that whine as well in my psu. A couple of days before it died :( |
| 13:46:32 | Bger | webguest95: better to die PSU than to die everything else ... |
| 13:46:37 | linuxstb | Bger: So you prefer my initial idea, but with up/down instead of left/right ? |
| 13:46:45 | Bger | yep |
| 13:47:07 | webguest95 | I do not remember what component did it, but it is not the fan. iirc it is a transformator or something like that. |
| 13:48:05 | webguest95 | Bger: yes, i thought everything had died on me, but a new psu brought my machine back to life |
| 13:48:56 | Bger | webguest95: i had very bad experience 3 years ago... with one PSU-"bomb" - JNC ... it killed everything but CPU & RAM ... the CD-ROM started to sparkle ... and the HDD.. but the last one died about 2 months later |
| 13:49:47 | Bger | in fact the same PSU killed also 2 HDDs before the last one |
| 13:50:20 | webguest95 | linuxstb, if you make bitmap icons, those could be used in other plugins as well. Like the chess clock, track-timer and so on. As it is a fixed number of digits, the screen-space could be used in a better way for those plugins. |
| 13:50:34 | webguest95 | hmm, not icons, digits |
| 13:51:37 | linuxstb | webguest95: Possibly, but maybe those plugins will require larger/smaller digits - I have a specific need to fill the screen with a 9x9 grid |
| 13:51:42 | Bger | linuxstb: with this plugin the sudoku will become even more popular :) |
| 13:52:02 | linuxstb | Is it a bug that there is no Sudoku in Rockbox? :) |
| 13:52:09 | B4gder | yes! |
| 13:52:11 | B4gder | :-] |
| 13:52:11 | Bger | hahaha |
| 13:52:15 | webguest95 | Bger: sounds horrible. I also had a similar experience about 10 yrs ago, when my harddisk stopped working. I tapped on the harddisk gently, and *boom*. The psu crashed with a bang. |
| 13:52:40 | Bger | bad... |
| 13:52:48 | webguest95 | iirc, that was the only thing that was ruined though. So, it wasn't that bad. |
| 13:53:19 | webguest95 | linuxstb: yes, that is true. |
| 13:53:38 | Bger | luckily in most cases the PSU kills only itself |
| 13:53:41 | preglow | webguest95: hell, this psu is brand new |
| 13:53:53 | Bger | preglow: brand ? |
| 13:54:08 | webguest95 | preglow: oh, hmm. Well, mine was 2 yrs old. |
| 13:54:17 | preglow | Bger: northq |
| 13:54:32 | Bger | is it "heavy" :) |
| 13:54:50 | webguest95 | But, did it start whining just now, or has it been like that from the start? |
| 13:55:12 | Bger | the most lame way to learn are there any "saved" components |
| 13:55:21 | Bger | like filters etc |
| 13:55:28 | preglow | it just started now, i think |
| 13:55:49 | preglow | although i know a whine this high-pitched can easily disappear due to accoustics |
| 13:55:52 | preglow | i just moved to a new place |
| 13:57:13 | linuxstb | I'm sure this has been discussed before, but it would be nice to be able to "task-switch" between the WPS and a plugin. |
| 13:57:39 | webguest95 | ok. I googled a bit when the psu crashed, and I found out that there is some components in the psu that can do that. I had a bad psu btw. |
| 13:57:52 | Bger | linuxstb: many times |
| 13:58:19 | linuxstb | Is there a fundamental problem, or is it just that no-one has coded it? |
| 13:58:37 | webguest95 | Has the jpeg viewer always stopped playback, or am I recalling wrongly? |
| 13:58:48 | B4gder | webguest95: always |
| 13:58:59 | B4gder | it uses the audio buffer |
| 13:59:13 | webguest95 | B4agder: ok :) ahh, that explains it. |
| 13:59:21 | B4gder | linuxstb: it would require that the plugin starts in a new thread I guess and some basic switching logic |
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| 14:00:22 | webguest95 | It would be cool if that would be possible though. Is it too demanding to fit in the plugin space? |
| 14:00:32 | webguest95 | Like, memory wise |
| 14:00:37 | preglow | oh yes |
| 14:00:42 | preglow | at least for most pictures |
| 14:00:51 | webguest95 | for the "down sampling" |
| 14:00:54 | webguest95 | ? |
| 14:01:06 | Bger | someone already had idea to do this |
| 14:01:53 | webguest95 | I mean the raw image is quite big. Well, I do not know how the jpeg viewer works. But I can imagine why it wouldnt fit in plugin memory. |
| 14:01:54 | Bger | it was discussed recently (last week probably) |
| 14:02:17 | webguest95 | Bger: ok :) |
| 14:02:25 | webguest95 | Back to work. Bye |
| 14:02:29 | Bger | bye |
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| 14:03:59 | Bger | LinusN: any progress with the BDM ? i suppose none, otherwise you'd let us know |
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| 14:07:48 | amiconn | Bger: I had one case of a dying PSU killing the soundcard, but in a very subtle way |
| 14:08:27 | amiconn | The card was still recognised by the BIOS after replacing the PSU, but any attempt to play a sound in windows resulted in a hang |
| 14:08:48 | Bger | if the soundcard was something ordinary, u've been lucky |
| 14:09:05 | amiconn | I guess that the card couldn't trigger interrupts any more |
| 14:09:14 | Bger | very possible |
| 14:09:41 | amiconn | Just a SB64V, nothing special... |
| 14:10:01 | ReKleSS | I've had a psu cause crashes because it couldn't handle the load (gf3 ti500 + ut2004 + cheapo PSU), but that's just weird |
| 14:10:26 | Bger | my JNC killed ... motherboard, CD-ROM (this one was while making very cool efects like rays:)), soundcard ... |
| 14:11:38 | amiconn | Another really weird cause of failing PSU was the whole PC "blinking" |
| 14:12:02 | Bger | and the videocard of course |
| 14:12:17 | Bger | HDD 2 months later ... |
| 14:13:34 | Bger | it was kind enough to warn me (the pc began to turn off 20-30 sec after power on), but i didn't speak his language ... |
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| 14:16:11 | preglow | my god, this sound is annoying |
| 14:17:07 | ReKleSS | are you sure it's even your computer and not some other random piece of equipment? |
| 14:17:20 | preglow | it's the computer, alright |
| 14:17:47 | preglow | and i'm pretty certain it's the psu, i used an old one which made the same type of sound |
| 14:19:25 | preglow | hmm |
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| 14:19:30 | preglow | is it possible to park a drive in windows? |
| 14:20:03 | Bger | with 3rd party tool ... |
| 14:20:08 | preglow | sure, url me |
| 14:20:18 | preglow | assuming it's free, heh |
| 14:20:52 | Bger | http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Best/park-hard-drive.html <= this ?? |
| 14:22:03 | Bger | ok, i'm wrong :) |
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| 14:49:34 | Bger | btw, there isn't WPS tag, who shows time from the RTC, is it? |
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| 14:50:26 | CoCoLUS | the h1x0 players don't even have a rtc? |
| 14:50:51 | Bger | but h3x0 have |
| 14:50:56 | Bger | some archos also |
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| 14:54:23 | ashridah | i fail to see why you'd need a clock in the unit, except for the idea of using it as an alarm clock, personally. |
| 14:56:39 | Bger | ashridah: ok, i don't have arm watch and i don't want to pull ot my GSM just to see the time, when i can see it on the remote... |
| 14:59:33 | Bger | s/ot/out |
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| 15:03:19 | ashridah | buy a 10 dollar watch. it'll cost less than a H3xx, i garuntee it :) |
| 15:03:47 | Bger | ok, i can buy one for $2 :) |
| 15:04:15 | Bger | in fact the h3x0 costs me in this case $2 - $10 less :) |
| 15:04:36 | ashridah | it cost you -ve 8 dollars? |
| 15:05:20 | Bger | the h3x0 *has* rtc, why don't use it |
| 15:05:47 | Bger | i have h3x0 |
| 15:05:48 | amiconn | ashridah: A clock is required for strict FAT32 compliance |
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| 15:09:24 | Bger | http://www.mirc.com/khaled/faq.html <= lol, some of the questions are more stupid than i could suppose |
| 15:09:25 | ashridah | amiconn: a clock is, a hardware clock isn't. |
| 15:09:57 | ashridah | i seem to recall fat filesystems existed on systems without a clock, since msdos used to ask for the time/date on bootup :) |
| 15:10:05 | ashridah | maybe fat32's stricter tho |
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| 15:13:44 | amiconn | ashridah: Iirc the FAT32 specs say you need a "wall clock" clock for strict compatibility |
| 15:13:57 | ashridah | weird |
| 15:14:08 | * | ashridah complies, and tapes a wall clock to his palyer |
| 15:14:10 | ashridah | player even |
| 15:14:24 | Bger | "wall clock"????? |
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| 15:35:06 | Bger | doens't someone count the missing iriver remote support as a bug ? :) |
| 15:35:22 | * | solex does :) |
| 15:36:13 | * | Hansmaulwurf too |
| 15:36:28 | Hansmaulwurf | but Xaviers Build is fine for me |
| 15:39:11 | Bger | amiconn: so u see the remote's lcd as pretty independent from the main lcd ? |
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| 16:17:34 | amiconn | Bger: Yes |
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| 17:08:46 | solex | laola? |
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| 18:21:42 | webguest42 | hmm, how is linuxtb going to add a game if there is afeature freeze on ? |
| 18:22:09 | webguest42 | I'm really keen on the game that his working on :) |
| 18:23:16 | XavierGr | what sort of game? |
| 18:23:41 | webguest42 | sudoku |
| 18:24:28 | webguest42 | to get you started http://www.websudoku.com/ |
| 18:24:52 | webguest42 | the evil ones are really evil, |
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| 18:51:00 | preglow | thegeek: yo |
| 18:51:08 | preglow | thegeek: you're the one with the 2005fpw, yeah? |
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| 19:26:45 | thegeek | yep |
| 19:26:58 | HCl | 2005fpw? |
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| 19:27:06 | HCl | que? |
| 19:28:05 | HCl | what? |
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| 19:55:47 | thegeek | my server's hd just died |
| 19:55:50 | thegeek | sorry preglow |
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| 21:07:11 | HET2 | if money didn't matter, what mp3 player would you get to use with rockbox? |
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| 21:07:35 | thegeek | iriver h140 with a 80 single-platter and battery upgrade |
| 21:07:45 | thegeek | the hd and the battery are things you have to do yourself |
| 21:07:51 | dpassen1 | x5 is probably the best hardware out there, it has a pending rockbox port |
| 21:07:51 | thegeek | the h140 you can just buy;) |
| 21:07:53 | HET2 | thegeek: is it already supported?! |
| 21:07:56 | thegeek | yes |
| 21:08:02 | crwl | where you can get a 80 GB single-platter disc? |
| 21:08:09 | thegeek | I dont know |
| 21:08:14 | thegeek | but if money does not matter... |
| 21:08:15 | thegeek | ;) |
| 21:08:21 | thegeek | I do know they exist |
| 21:08:24 | dpassen1 | doesnt the H140 have room for a double platter drive? |
| 21:08:28 | HET2 | dpassen1: x5 as in iaudio? |
| 21:08:38 | thegeek | og |
| 21:08:38 | thegeek | oh |
| 21:08:41 | thegeek | perhaps it does dpassen1 |
| 21:08:43 | dpassen1 | HET2: yes, i have an H120, my roommate has an x5 |
| 21:08:49 | thegeek | I'm not 100% sure |
| 21:08:51 | dpassen1 | i thought thats why the 140 was thicker than the 120 |
| 21:08:53 | HET2 | the h140 is sold out |
| 21:08:53 | crwl | i don't think there are even 40 GB single platter discs available yet |
| 21:08:55 | thegeek | yeah |
| 21:09:04 | thegeek | well |
| 21:09:10 | dpassen1 | only a matter of time |
| 21:09:11 | thegeek | not commercially available crwl |
| 21:09:14 | HET2 | dpassen1: what about the x5l? |
| 21:09:31 | HET2 | dpassen1: is it compatible enough with the x5 to eat the same software? |
| 21:09:42 | dpassen1 | just longer battery life, slightly thicker body, its nice (im no expert on the x5, i have an H120) |
| 21:09:47 | thegeek | get an iriver |
| 21:09:51 | dpassen1 | but the port is a long way off |
| 21:09:55 | thegeek | exactly |
| 21:09:59 | thegeek | perhaps even never |
| 21:10:02 | thegeek | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/17/toshiba_perpendicular_hdd/ |
| 21:10:03 | thegeek | there |
| 21:10:06 | thegeek | 80gb single platter;) |
| 21:10:07 | thegeek | hehe |
| 21:10:07 | HET2 | but the iriver are ugly :/ |
| 21:10:13 | thegeek | arrgh |
| 21:10:14 | dpassen1 | with rockbox, the H120/140 is the best mp3 player on the marker, IMO |
| 21:10:18 | thegeek | sorry |
| 21:10:21 | dpassen1 | *market |
| 21:10:21 | thegeek | it's 40gb single |
| 21:10:24 | thegeek | and 80gb dual |
| 21:10:38 | thegeek | that does make sense |
| 21:10:50 | thegeek | because I remember thinking "a h140 with that 80gb would be smooth) |
| 21:11:22 | HET2 | dpassen1: what makes it the best? |
| 21:11:32 | thegeek | great hardware |
| 21:11:36 | thegeek | and great software |
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| 21:11:43 | thegeek | really |
| 21:11:48 | thegeek | it has optical in/out |
| 21:11:50 | thegeek | mic |
| 21:11:51 | thegeek | radio |
| 21:11:53 | dpassen1 | rockbox allows for fast bootup, gapless playback of lame encoded mp3s flacs and oggs, on the fly playlistig, replaygain |
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| 21:14:01 | HET2 | thegeek: i dont have use for optical i/o ;) |
| 21:14:22 | thegeek | perhaps not |
| 21:14:33 | thegeek | but the iriver h-series hardware is still pretty damn good |
| 21:14:38 | dpassen1 | a cheap rio karma is a nice alternative |
| 21:14:45 | HET2 | dpassen1: hard to get |
| 21:15:04 | HET2 | dpassen1: and the new model has been vaporware for years |
| 21:15:09 | thegeek | the karma is fucking ugly |
| 21:15:10 | dpassen1 | yeah the Chroma |
| 21:15:22 | thegeek | honesly |
| 21:15:24 | dpassen1 | looks are unimportant, when it resides in a pocket |
| 21:15:25 | thegeek | *honestly |
| 21:15:34 | thegeek | I really dont like the design of the karma |
| 21:15:39 | thegeek | it's not just looks |
| 21:15:40 | dpassen1 | i dont like the shape |
| 21:15:45 | thegeek | it's button placement, shape ++ |
| 21:16:07 | dpassen1 | yea, im much more comfortable with the shape every major player has (ipod, h-series, x5, etc) |
| 21:16:29 | HET2 | the new ipods are nothing but ripoff |
| 21:16:37 | HET2 | i cant believe apple is not ashamed selling them |
| 21:17:37 | thegeek | I dont get the iaudio x5 hype |
| 21:17:42 | thegeek | it has a color screen |
| 21:17:44 | thegeek | so what |
| 21:18:19 | HET2 | i dont need color on an mp3 player |
| 21:18:21 | HET2 | i need sound! |
| 21:18:23 | dpassen1 | thegeek: its a nice player, factory firmware allows for flac playback, ogg, near gapless with mp3, limited video playback, usb host functionality |
| 21:18:23 | thegeek | well |
| 21:18:28 | thegeek | color does look good |
| 21:18:34 | thegeek | but it's really not needed |
| 21:18:37 | HET2 | is the h140 ums compatible? |
| 21:18:54 | HET2 | (usb mass storage) |
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| 21:19:03 | thegeek | ofcourse |
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| 21:22:14 | HET2 | the h140 doesnt play flac does it |
| 21:22:49 | thegeek | dude |
| 21:23:00 | thegeek | rockbox supports the iriver h-series |
| 21:23:04 | thegeek | that includes the h140 |
| 21:23:12 | crwl | h100 series :) |
| 21:23:15 | HET2 | thegeek: rockbox for iriver is not quite done i recon |
| 21:23:36 | thegeek | at the moment rockbox is _the_ best firmware for any portable player |
| 21:23:45 | thegeek | it probably supports the most codecs |
| 21:23:53 | thegeek | and it certainly has the largest potential |
| 21:24:00 | thegeek | and yes it does play flac |
| 21:24:08 | thegeek | it's not done |
| 21:24:12 | thegeek | and hopefully never will |
| 21:24:15 | HET2 | thegeek: yes that's why i came here, to find out what mp3 player to buy for rockbox ;) |
| 21:24:22 | thegeek | it does work very well though;) |
| 21:24:31 | thegeek | and I said the h140 |
| 21:24:33 | thegeek | or the h120 |
| 21:24:37 | thegeek | if you cant afford the h140 |
| 21:25:17 | HET2 | yes thanks |
| 21:25:30 | crwl | some people might appreciate h120's slimness compared to the h140, though |
| 21:26:06 | thegeek | hmm |
| 21:26:09 | thegeek | I have the h120 |
| 21:26:16 | thegeek | I did not the think it was that much |
| 21:26:20 | thegeek | just a couple of mm's ? |
| 21:26:23 | crwl | it's not much, yes |
| 21:26:26 | crwl | it's still something :) |
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| 21:26:58 | thegeek | ;) |
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| 21:27:39 | HET2 | thegeek: 160gm vs 178gm |
| 21:27:54 | thegeek | worth imho |
| 21:28:05 | thegeek | if money is no problem;) |
| 21:28:06 | thegeek | as you said |
| 21:28:12 | thegeek | *worth it |
| 21:28:20 | HET2 | the difference is 3mm |
| 21:28:36 | HET2 | 3mm thickness that is, height/width are the same |
| 21:29:00 | HET2 | and battery runtime is the same |
| 21:29:07 | thegeek | we know HET2;) |
| 21:29:12 | thegeek | and as I said |
| 21:29:21 | thegeek | you can buy a better battery and install yourself |
| 21:29:26 | thegeek | you can even buy a larger hd |
| 21:29:34 | HET2 | thegeek: i was just thinking aloud |
| 21:29:46 | thegeek | right now I guess the 60gb dual platter is the best(only) for the h140 |
| 21:30:04 | HET2 | 40gb is more than enough imho |
| 21:30:07 | HET2 | i'd rather buy a battery |
| 21:30:12 | thegeek | then you would have a 60gb rockbox-supported player that can play for more than ~20 hours |
| 21:30:19 | thegeek | hehe |
| 21:30:25 | thegeek | you can never have enough;) |
| 21:31:04 | HET2 | thegeek: i have had an ipod for a years now, i have enough of too much already |
| 21:31:13 | HET2 | thegeek: i want something that is going to last for more than a year ;) |
| 21:31:23 | thegeek | ;) |
| 21:31:49 | HET2 | iriver 140, here i come |
| 21:31:55 | thegeek | hehe:) |
| 21:32:09 | thegeek | you should try it first though |
| 21:32:19 | thegeek | my only complaint is the joystick |
| 21:32:33 | HET2 | well, the ipod is the only mp3 player with a usable interface |
| 21:32:43 | HET2 | but other than that it is a piece of shit unfortunately |
| 21:33:00 | HET2 | no matter if i get a rio karma, an x5 or a 140, they're all clunky on the ui |
| 21:33:12 | amiconn | Actually battery runtime might be a bit better with h120 than with h140 |
| 21:33:16 | HET2 | and i don't want something that will want to play videos for me |
| 21:33:25 | HET2 | amiconn: according to the data sheet it's the same... |
| 21:33:26 | amiconn | Spinning up the disk needs less power for single platter |
| 21:34:28 | amiconn | While the h1x0 series is pretty good hardware-wise, there are some points that I don't like |
| 21:35:02 | amiconn | (1) It has rather bad crosstalk suppression, *far* worse than e.g. archos |
| 21:35:32 | amiconn | I dunno whether the UDA1380 is to blame, or it's some wiring/grounding problem |
| 21:36:18 | amiconn | (2) While the case is very robust (no cheap plastic) the shock protection of the hd leaves something to desire |
| 21:36:20 | webguest68 | amiconn- what is crosstalk suppression? |
| 21:37:22 | amiconn | Crosstalk means that you can hear a bit of what happens in one channel (e.g. left) in the other channel (e.g. right) |
| 21:37:40 | HET2 | amiconn: have you tried different headphones? |
| 21:37:45 | amiconn | Yes |
| 21:37:57 | amiconn | I've done some experiments: |
| 21:38:57 | amiconn | Both the MAS chip in the archos and the mentioned UDA1380 in the iriver are supposed to completely silence one channel if you push the balance adjustment fully to the other channel |
| 21:39:51 | amiconn | I connected the headphone, set balance to 100% left, volume to max, the shielded the left earpiece acustically and listened to the right earpiece |
| 21:40:06 | amiconn | In an ideal world, I shouldn't be able to hear anything |
| 21:40:29 | webguest68 | I use my 140 with Sensaphonics Prophonics 2X-S- it does it's job IMO esp. through the optical out :), but as you say, maybe there are better solutions... |
| 21:40:56 | HET2 | amiconn: the trouble with the archos is that nobody sells them... |
| 21:41:07 | amiconn | On archos I could hear almost nothing, while on iriver I heard almost my normal listening volume... |
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| 21:41:36 | noC|andY`fRa | how much do the sensas cost? @ webguest |
| 21:41:38 | amiconn | webguest68: optical out is a completely different story; no analog audio component of the iriver is involved then |
| 21:42:01 | HET2 | webguest68: what good is optical out when you're on the street? |
| 21:42:31 | noC|andY`fRa | you can build a portable dac for example |
| 21:42:41 | amiconn | However, I don't have any optical components besides my DVD player |
| 21:43:10 | amiconn | ...and the only thing with an s/pdif input besides my iriver is my archos |
| 21:43:23 | amiconn | (though the archos s/pdif isn't optical) |
| 21:43:36 | HET2 | noC|andY`fRa: i am terrifyingly unskilled at building hardware |
| 21:43:52 | noC|andY`fRa | :) |
| 21:44:10 | webguest68 | HET2 well, it is :) these phones -2X-S- are canalphones, isolating ones and I use the optical out on the street... |
| 21:44:13 | HET2 | noC|andY`fRa: i have already melted hundreds of euros worth of hardware with a soldering iron... |
| 21:44:21 | noC|andY`fRa | hehe |
| 21:44:32 | noC|andY`fRa | whats the actual 2xs price? |
| 21:44:45 | webguest68 | 499 pounds |
| 21:44:51 | HET2 | webguest68: what headphones? |
| 21:45:24 | webguest68 | HET2 Sensaphonics Prophonics 2X-S |
| 21:45:26 | HET2 | jesus christ 499 pounds for HEADPHONES? |
| 21:45:44 | HET2 | and i thought me spending 200 euros was bad |
| 21:46:01 | webguest68 | yep :) but I can tell you that you've never heard the music before :) |
| 21:46:13 | HET2 | oh come on, it' |
| 21:46:19 | HET2 | oh come on, it's an mp3 after all |
| 21:47:04 | webguest68 | these are ones of the best out there; I know it's just a DAP, but the difference is so huuuge :) |
| 21:47:18 | HET2 | dap? |
| 21:47:23 | noC|andY`fRa | yeah i often read about them on headfi |
| 21:47:37 | webguest68 | I am from hesd-fi :) |
| 21:47:47 | webguest68 | head fi* |
| 21:47:51 | noC|andY`fRa | ;D |
| 21:48:38 | webguest68 | HET2 Digital Audio Player- DAP |
| 21:49:08 | noC|andY`fRa | but as a poor pupil the only headphones ive got so far are ms1 and shure e2, but when i get money again i will get some really good canalphones |
| 21:49:18 | noC|andY`fRa | that is a must |
| 21:49:20 | noC|andY`fRa | :) |
| 21:50:22 | webguest68 | good luck :) Ultimate Ears UE-1O Pro are also great from what I've read, comparable to 2X-S |
| 21:50:41 | noC|andY`fRa | yeah but they are as expensive as the 2x-s :( |
| 21:50:57 | webguest68 | even more :) |
| 21:51:38 | noC|andY`fRa | ok i'm trying not to think about it at the moment :) |
| 21:52:22 | webguest68 | ok :) gotta go, see you... |
| 21:52:54 | noC|andY`fRa | see you ;) |
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| 21:54:19 | thegeek | actually |
| 21:54:22 | thegeek | if I could afford it |
| 21:54:34 | thegeek | I would easily spend 499 pounds on them |
| 21:54:37 | thegeek | _easily_ |
| 21:55:24 | thegeek | I have already spent close to 300 pounds on shure e3 canalphones and a sennheiser 595;) |
| 21:55:39 | * | thegeek kicks himself |
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| 22:23:11 | webguest45 | there are are a few ways of ipmroving the grip on the H140's joystick non-dectructively |
| 22:24:15 | webguest45 | paint it with nail varnish, I have done this, apply it generously, or put a bol of silicon sealant in the dimple and smooth it to you liking |
| 22:26:16 | webguest45 | or buy a black rubber party ballon, stick it on with silicone sealant and trim excess, |
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| 22:27:22 | * | paugh doesn't want to think about what kind of party would have black balloons |
| 22:27:41 | webguest45 | gothic :) |
| 22:27:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Sounds like my birthday. |
| 22:27:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | What's being discussed? |
| 22:28:00 | webguest45 | slippery joysticks |
| 22:28:09 | webguest45 | on the H140 that is |
| 22:28:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hrm |
| 22:28:34 | webguest45 | not really a discssion, I'm talking to myself |
| 22:28:47 | * | Paul_The_Nerd likes his H120 joystick |
| 22:29:07 | paugh | i was going to replace it entirely but i'll try one of those first i think |
| 22:29:39 | webguest45 | replace with what ? |
| 22:30:19 | paugh | something better ;) |
| 22:30:35 | paugh | probably something convex rather than concave |
| 22:31:14 | webguest45 | well nil varnish worked for me |
| 22:31:20 | paugh | like a low profile chess pawn |
| 22:31:22 | webguest45 | nil=nail |
| 22:32:04 | webguest45 | get some iron filings and glue them in the dimple |
| 22:33:12 | paugh | i may just drill a small hole and put a screw in the center |
| 22:33:48 | webguest45 | carefull you dont split it |
| 22:34:07 | paugh | :) |
| 22:34:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | The only problem I have is how easily I accidentally change tracks while adjusting volume. |
| 22:34:55 | webguest45 | I dont find that a problem |
| 22:35:30 | paugh | on another note: flac decoder chokes on high sample rate files. not surprising but it probably shouldn't lock the unit |
| 22:36:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | It locks the unit? |
| 22:36:19 | * | Paul_The_Nerd has big behemoths of thumbs that aren't nearly as precise as his fingers. =/ |
| 22:36:24 | paugh | well, it crashes, forcing a reset |
| 22:36:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Weird. |
| 22:36:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is this new, or old? |
| 22:36:46 | paugh | the build? |
| 22:37:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | The build and the problem, I guess. Like, has it been doing it a while, or just a specific build, or just *since* a specific build? |
| 22:37:58 | paugh | build is from 22. i'll try the latest. that's the first i've tried since i only just got my h140 so i can't say about other versions. |
| 22:39:50 | Bagder | finally back on my 2001FP screen after weeks on a crappy 17" CRT |
| 22:40:53 | paugh | mmm i was looking at one of those today. not a bad price at all. |
| 22:41:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | I know that FLAC isn't always decoded at full speed anyway |
| 22:41:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Sometimes the buffer empties and you'll get skips. |
| 22:41:22 | paugh | Paul_The_Nerd, yeah i've heard that |
| 22:41:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | You might want to convert them to Lossless wavpacks. |
| 22:41:39 | paugh | (as in, heard skips on playback) |
| 22:41:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | You get very similar filesizes, and since it's another lossless format, there's no data lost in transcoding so you can revert later if you need. |
| 22:42:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | As well, wavpack runs fine in my experience. |
| 22:42:13 | | Quit hardeep ("My damn controlling terminal disappeared!") |
| 22:44:23 | paugh | wavpack is a better compressor too. i wrote some code to add wv support to a p2p app recently. and therein lies the problem. not enough support in the apps i use (yet) fucked up tags too. (ape?!) |
| 22:45:05 | paugh | i guess it'll come around tho |
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| 22:45:30 | Bagder | hey, there's a Linus sneaking in |
| 22:45:44 | LinusN | Detected V2 core |
| 22:45:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, but all I'm saying is you could transcode the flacks to wavpacks for the device. |
| 22:45:51 | LinusN | Coldfire debug module version is 0 (5206(e)/5272/5282) |
| 22:46:00 | LinusN | (gdb) |
| 22:46:07 | LinusN | i'm in! |
| 22:46:09 | * | Bagder falls off his chair |
| 22:46:18 | Bagder | go go go gooooo |
| 22:46:31 | LinusN | h300 here i come |
| 22:46:45 | * | Paul_The_Nerd applauds, despite behind a happy 1X0 owner. |
| 22:47:00 | LinusN | feels nice |
| 22:47:13 | paugh | Paul_The_Nerd: sure but it's a lot of hassle. i'll hold out for an further optimised flac for now i think :) |
| 22:47:18 | webguest45 | well done |
| 22:47:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe. Fair enough |
| 22:47:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | For me, it's all a matter of converting from CDs, so format choice is pretty much entirely flexible. |
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| 22:52:15 | paugh | Paul_The_Nerd, pretty much the same deal with lossless sources really. |
| 22:52:26 | paugh | Paul_The_Nerd, i think i'm flac biased tho |
| 22:52:53 | paugh | a vorbis/flac bigot ;] |
| 22:53:09 | NekoNoNiaow | hi |
| 22:53:25 | paugh | lo NekoNoNiaow |
| 22:53:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | 'lo Neko |
| 22:53:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, I'm a vorbis/flac bigot too. |
| 22:53:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | And as soon as I can listen to my flacs without skips, I'll be back to 'em, I imagine. |
| 22:54:45 | NekoNoNiaow | still no oggs on rockbox ? (yup i know it's not possible :( ) |
| 22:54:45 | Bagder | Debian bigots upset me |
| 22:54:56 | webguest45 | nah lame aps rules |
| 22:55:14 | Bagder | NekoNoNiaow: you mean on Archos? |
| 22:55:34 | NekoNoNiaow | Bagder: right, on archos |
| 22:55:39 | Bagder | rockbox on iriver plays rockbox just fine |
| 22:55:44 | Bagder | plays ogg |
| 22:55:48 | * | Bagder can't type |
| 22:55:49 | NekoNoNiaow | i corrected ;) |
| 22:56:11 | paugh | Bagder Debian bigots ? |
| 22:56:16 | Bagder | yeah |
| 22:56:28 | NekoNoNiaow | my Bagder decoder seems to be working ;) |
| 22:56:38 | paugh | heh |
| 22:56:48 | paugh | Bagder, free association? |
| 22:57:02 | Bagder | I'm not sure where to start or what to say... |
| 22:57:03 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 22:57:10 | Bagder | its totally off topic here anyway |
| 22:57:18 | Bagder | http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.devel/browse_thread/thread/be373a5456c6f6a5/a078c7b2214cfc75?lnk=st&q=libcurl&rnum=1&hl=en#a078c7b2214cfc75 |
| 22:57:21 | Bagder | there |
| 22:58:23 | Bagder | and that's just one episode of it |
| 22:58:33 | NekoNoNiaow | it lacks images :) |
| 22:59:05 | NekoNoNiaow | ok that was not funny, sorry :) |
| 22:59:09 | Bagder | ? |
| 22:59:33 | NekoNoNiaow | a tv episode would have had images, see, that's not funny |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:05 | * | NekoNoNiaow digs a hole and throws himself inside |
| 23:00:16 | paugh | heh |
| 23:00:36 | * | Bagder looks at NekoNoNiaow's hole |
| 23:00:39 | Bagder | :-) |
| 23:00:43 | Coldtoast | I ordered a new computer |
| 23:00:59 | NekoNoNiaow | man, i really love such kind of command line : |
| 23:01:01 | NekoNoNiaow | rockbox/gmini/toolchain/bin/../lib/gcc/calmrisc16-unknown-elf/3.4.3/../../../../calmrisc16-unknown-elf/bin/ld |
| 23:01:04 | NekoNoNiaow | :) |
| 23:01:09 | Bagder | yeah |
| 23:01:15 | Coldtoast | a laptop |
| 23:01:19 | Bagder | those ../../.. things are great |
| 23:02:18 | NekoNoNiaow | hardly readable but undoubtly great |
| 23:02:25 | | Quit Coldtoast ("Peace and Protection 4.22") |
| 23:02:43 | NekoNoNiaow | does anyone have an idea of what this error means : "ld:flash.lds:8: parse error" |
| 23:03:00 | NekoNoNiaow | when ld is called |
| 23:03:08 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:03:18 | Bagder | it uses the flash.lds file for linking |
| 23:03:46 | Bagder | I guess |
| 23:03:47 | NekoNoNiaow | is that the cause of the error ? |
| 23:03:51 | Bagder | lds = link description file |
| 23:04:03 | NekoNoNiaow | ok, so the lds is badly written |
| 23:04:08 | Bagder | yes, it sounds like that |
| 23:04:42 | NekoNoNiaow | shit, it was automatically generated, that smells of burnt neurons |
| 23:04:44 | Bagder | or the calmrisc ld patch lacks |
| 23:05:20 | NekoNoNiaow | i'm not sure i understand what you mean by that |
| 23:05:30 | NekoNoNiaow | oh |
| 23:05:43 | * | NekoNoNiaow checks the doc |
| 23:06:02 | Bagder | well, you didn't really explain in great detail when/why/where you get this ;-) |
| 23:07:31 | NekoNoNiaow | i can't say you're wrong ;) |
| 23:09:07 | NekoNoNiaow | so, i'm compiling gemoss under mac os x, i have compiled the binutils and gcc without (too many) problems, gemoss itself compiles quite well but the testbed compilation produces the error message i gave |
| 23:09:21 | | Quit Paul_The_Nerd ("Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.6/20050716]") |
| 23:09:34 | NekoNoNiaow | gcc/binutils for calmrisc16 i meant |
| 23:10:16 | NekoNoNiaow | to be more precise, the command leading to the error is : |
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| 23:10:20 | NekoNoNiaow | calmrisc16-unknown-elf-gcc -Os -Wall -std=c99 -nostdlib -T flash.lds -o mmio.elf crt0.o crt1.o test-mmio.o hwgmini.o lcd-recorder.o string.o strlen.o hwcompat.o font.o sysfont.o panic.o sprintf.o lcd_debug.o -lgcc |
| 23:10:28 | NekoNoNiaow | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 23:11:42 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:12:32 | * | Bagder detects som rockbox file names in the list |
| 23:12:36 | Bagder | some |
| 23:13:01 | NekoNoNiaow | gemoss is the gmini emulator btw |
| 23:14:18 | NekoNoNiaow | ok, i got the cause of the error : FIRMWARE : ORIGIN = 0x0x77000, LENGTH = 32K |
| 23:14:28 | NekoNoNiaow | back to configure |
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| 23:16:50 | NekoNoNiaow | hi Strath |
| 23:17:06 | Strath | hello Neko |
| 23:17:35 | NekoNoNiaow | i'm compiling gemoss |
| 23:17:53 | Strath | i just got home from work |
| 23:18:03 | NekoNoNiaow | waoh |
| 23:18:13 | NekoNoNiaow | where do you live ? I hope it's not europe :) |
| 23:18:21 | Strath | :) |
| 23:18:34 | Strath | it's just after 4pm here |
| 23:18:43 | NekoNoNiaow | us then ;) |
| 23:19:36 | Strath | you knew that though, i thought ;) |
| 23:20:34 | NekoNoNiaow | lost many neurons since i knew that :) |
| 23:20:37 | LinusN | Bagder: "Why follow the docs, when you can get yourself these problems instead!?" :-) |
| 23:20:46 | Bagder | *g* |
| 23:21:14 | Bagder | "I don't want no wild make installs" |
| 23:21:22 | LinusN | at least he is in a non-polluted environment ;-) |
| 23:21:30 | Bagder | hehe |
| 23:22:27 | NekoNoNiaow | ? |
| 23:22:37 | Bagder | from a forum thread |
| 23:22:47 | Bagder | the rockbox forum |
| 23:23:39 | NekoNoNiaow | yo, got my next problem :) |
| 23:24:53 | NekoNoNiaow | calmrisc16-unknown-elf-gcc -Os -Wall -std=c99 -nostdlib -T flash.lds -o mmio.elf crt0.o crt1.o test-mmio.o hwgmini.o lcd-recorder.o string.o strlen.o hwcompat.o font.o sysfont.o panic.o sprintf.o lcd_debug.o -lgcc |
| 23:24:57 | NekoNoNiaow | panic.o(.text+0xa6): In function `_panicf': undefined reference to `_debugf' |
| 23:25:26 | | Quit CheeseBurgerMan (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client") |
| 23:25:40 | Bagder | well now you're down to plain linking/compiling errors |
| 23:25:54 | NekoNoNiaow | yup, that's better |
| 23:27:12 | NekoNoNiaow | first google hit for _debugf is rockbox |
| 23:27:22 | NekoNoNiaow | so i guess it's defined by rockbox |
| 23:27:31 | Bagder | I would suspect your lcd_debug file should have it |
| 23:27:39 | * | NekoNoNiaow experiments google debugging |
| 23:28:45 | Strath | still working on porting it to maxosX? |
| 23:29:01 | Strath | er.. mac os X? |
| 23:29:34 | NekoNoNiaow | _lcd_debugf is defined but not _debugf |
| 23:29:44 | NekoNoNiaow | strath : yes |
| 23:30:24 | NekoNoNiaow | i have gcc and the binutils apparently working, gcc has a small problem with the command line but seems ok so far |
| 23:30:41 | Strath | yay ;) |
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| 23:36:02 | NekoNoNiaow | strath : hopefully i should be able to work on the gmini on sunday |
| 23:36:10 | NekoNoNiaow | but that may be optimistic |
| 23:36:23 | NekoNoNiaow | ahem saturday, not sunday |
| 23:37:19 | Strath | is/was there anything that you actually had to patch to get things to compile orjust changes to your machine's configuration? |
| 23:38:55 | NekoNoNiaow | only a few things in the binutils : moving 2 declarations from a .h into a .c, some too for gcc and minor stuff for gemoss |
| 23:39:20 | Strath | k |
| 23:39:29 | NekoNoNiaow | i noted everything and i will try to fix it cleanly before beginning anything serious |
| 23:41:14 | NekoNoNiaow | reading my notes i see that gcc compiled without problems, overall i had 3-4 minor problems |
| 23:42:07 | Strath | doesn't sound too bad |
| 23:43:18 | Strath | get this, at work i have to write programs in gw-basic |
| 23:43:37 | | Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5 [Firefox 1.0+/undefined]") |
| 23:44:07 | NekoNoNiaow | i agree, that's much easier than I thought |
| 23:44:33 | NekoNoNiaow | Strath: are they punishing you ? :) |
| 23:44:44 | Strath | oh how i long for the option of using C or C++ :) |
| 23:46:59 | Strath | no, it's just what they use.... they want me to eventualy rewrite the entire system, but first i have to learn and understand the current system |
| 23:47:56 | NekoNoNiaow | can be an interesting thing |
| 23:48:33 | NekoNoNiaow | did you had problems compiling the testbed for gemoss ? |
| 23:48:53 | Strath | i don't recall ;) |
| 23:50:17 | NekoNoNiaow | :) |
| 23:51:30 | NekoNoNiaow | would that work if i did make dist-clean in the testbed folder, rerun configure then make ? |
| 23:51:42 | NekoNoNiaow | after a change in testbed/Makefile.am |
| 23:52:51 | | Part LinusN |
| 23:52:53 | Strath | i don't think i ever used anything in testbed |
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| 23:53:02 | NekoNoNiaow | oh |
| 23:53:11 | Strath | jyp's baby |
| 23:53:21 | NekoNoNiaow | ok |
| 23:54:19 | NekoNoNiaow | i definitely need to fix this XP_MACOS define stuff cleanly : calmrisc16-unknown-elf-gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../src -DARCHOS_GMINI_120 -DSTANDALONE=1 -DXP_MACOSX |
| 23:54:38 | NekoNoNiaow | :) |
| 23:55:14 | Strath | heh |
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