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#rockbox log for 2005-08-29

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01:32:14muesli-hossa :D
01:32:37OPPhows rb going
01:32:58OPPyou code?
01:33:23muesli-nope ;)
01:33:25OPPi have an h320 so im excited
01:34:45muesli-linus is working on bootloader..assume it wont take too long to get a port
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01:35:13OPPim very excited for it
01:35:18OPPi think itll be great
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01:35:49muesli-didnt see irivers fw for ages
01:36:25muesli-thus there are reason to be excited ;)
01:36:39muesli-loads of
01:36:45OPPi hope it will have color
01:36:53OPPdo you have an archos
01:37:06muesli-nope, using an i140
01:37:23OPPi want one
01:37:43muesli-i am dreaming of a 320 ;)
01:38:10muesli-pimp it with a 30gig drive would do it
01:38:34muesli-the only thing that prevents me its the missing rbx support
01:38:38Paul_The_NerdThere's a 40 gig single platter that should be available soonish.
01:38:49oddtoshiba's coming out with 40gb platters in the 1.8" drives soon
01:38:52OPPmuesliL but rb is out soon
01:38:56muesli-Paul_The_Nerd read it in the news
01:38:59oddhaha paul jinx
01:39:28muesli-but to come to the point, toshiba announced its 30gig single platter in last september as well ;)
01:39:39Paul_The_NerdI'm actually expecting it to hit 60 gigs at some point... when I first read about the technology they're using for it, they were talking about being able to double the total data density using it.
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01:41:06muesli-there's always a hge gap between announcements and realizatiosn
01:41:31muesli-guess, we can find the 40 single platter one in october
01:41:39muesli-on the market
01:41:52muesli-or even later
01:41:56OPPi bet itll be like 400 dollars though
01:42:12oddit means the 30gb/platter drives will be much cheaper though
01:42:40OPPif you know where to get one
01:42:41muesli-nobody knows...
01:43:00oddwhat about dapstore?
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01:43:33muesli-i guess jürgen will it get as every retailer
01:44:02muesli-at least its possibel to gather the double layer 60gig one
01:44:19OPPi bet you jergen doesnt lower the 30gb prices
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01:45:07muesli-get it here
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01:46:19oddholy crap, that place is way cheaper than anywhere else i've seen
01:46:50muesli-r u frm the uk or states?
01:46:55OPPim from the states
01:47:05muesli-you have to add vac
01:47:15oddhow much?
01:47:18muesli-dunno if it still makes sense
01:47:26muesli-depends on yr rates
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01:48:06muesli-did you check
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01:48:18muesli-guess its your penny phisher site
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01:51:19muesli-hi cYmen
01:51:47muesli-not to mention s&h
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01:54:02muesli-Toshiba (Notebook Drives) 30.0GB 4200RPM 1.8"
01:54:19muesli-119$ thats not bad either
01:54:32muesli-some price as here
01:58:38OPPwhat do you use to open h320
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02:02:06muesli-cYmen zuviel gesoffen?
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02:12:26cYmenmuesli-: sorry hoer schon auf damit ;)
02:12:50muesli-opp toshibas 40gig single platter isnt even mentioned on their website..guess you have to be patient
02:12:57muesli-cYmen nö ;)
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02:15:22OPPits ok
02:18:03muesli-have a good day
02:18:09muesli-will head to my bed
02:18:11muesli-vya mates
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06:57:27webguest71how do i record on h120?
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07:22:37Maximeon debug menu if I remember
07:28:22B4gderum, 2.6.13 is here
07:32:45LinusNoops power cut in a few minutes...
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08:11:48EB_Tau_nowhi. got a problem here. i couldn't find it on the FAQs so i decided to come on in here and ask.
08:12:54EB_Tau_nowi patched the iriver 1.64 FW with the fwpatcher.exe and installed rockbox, but it doesn't play any music
08:13:11B4gderdid you unpack the _whole_ zip file?
08:13:35B4gderand I guess you mean 1.65
08:13:37B4gderor 1.63
08:13:56EB_Tau_nowi used 1.64
08:14:20EB_Tau_now.... caused the 1.65 i have is not a .hex
08:14:47B4gder1. I didn't know there even is a 1.64 and 2. the fwpatcher has no checksums for a 1.64
08:15:04EB_Tau_nowholy crap
08:15:08B4gderbut if it boots rockbox, it worked
08:15:35EB_Tau_nowbut it isn't playing music. i don't get a WPS screen, it's just the status bar above and the rest of the screen is blank
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08:15:53B4gderand you unpacked everything in the rockbox zip?
08:16:35EB_Tau_nowthere's the .rockbox folder and the rockbox.iriver file right?
08:16:54B4gderyes, and the .rockbox folder is crowded with various files
08:16:59B4gderand folders
08:19:34EB_Tau_nowyeah that's it. i've been trying to play music files, but nothing happens. the plugins work though.
08:20:10B4gderweird indeed
08:20:15B4gderwhat build did you install?
08:23:05EB_Tau_nowprobably a pretty old one. i think i got it before 1.65 came out
08:23:18EB_Tau_nowhow do i know what build it is?
08:24:28EB_Tau_nowand is ROckBoy working well now? that's the main reason i flashed. i don't have any roms atm, so i can't try.
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08:25:28B4gd3rshaky connection
08:26:02EB_Tau_nowre: what build
08:26:05EB_Tau_nowhow do i know what build it is?
08:26:09EB_Tau_nowand is ROckBoy working well now? that's the main reason i flashed. i don't have any roms atm, so i can't try.
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08:31:46EB_Tau_nowmy iriver rockbox isn't playing music... can anyone help?
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08:41:03B4gderimpatient person
08:41:49Maximesince a week rockbox didn't function anymore, it seems to seek the hard drive endlessly and hangs
08:42:11B4gderwhen/why/what/how ?
08:42:26Maximewhen I start a song
08:42:34MaximeI don't understand
08:42:37B4gderon what model?
08:42:40B4gderusing what rockbox?
08:42:49MaximeI tried many daily builds
08:42:56Maximeeven tried to build it myself from cvs
08:43:06B4gderand it worked with a build from a week ago?
08:43:28Maximemaybe two weeks I dont remember :x
08:43:44B4gderand you unpack ALL of the zip file's contents?
08:43:44LinusNthen try a build from two weeks ago
08:44:02MaximeB4gder yeah, even tried to delete all etc
08:44:18Maximebut that's weird
08:44:28B4gderok, can you then try to figure out exactly what build that made it stop working?
08:44:44Maximefrom now, I always have a paperclip with my iriver :x lol
08:44:58LinusNwhy not?
08:45:05Maximedon't remember exactly
08:45:07B4gderthen we can't help much
08:45:12Maximeyeah I know :/
08:45:25LinusNMaxime: try to install a build from two weeks ago
08:45:27B4gderMaxime: you can download older builds and try
08:45:49LinusNalso reset your settings
08:45:49MaximeI'll try the last one before ^^
08:46:00B4gderit would be _really_ useful to know that it stopped working at a specific date
08:46:08Maximei'll try B4gder
08:46:19amiconnFastest way would be using a binary search, imho
08:46:40Maximewhere are the older daily builds? o_o
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08:47:10Maximethx :x
08:47:14B4gderspeaking of that, I find it "funny" that IriverInstall refers to the bleeding edge build for h120 with no special comments about that
08:48:40Maximenow it works
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08:49:19Maximeno sound o_O
08:49:22LinusNB4gder: i told him about it
08:49:57Maximedon't have any sound.. normal?
08:50:17LinusNnormal? of course not
08:50:25LinusNMaxime: did you reset your settings?
08:50:37Maximeyup, I deleted .rockbox folder en rockbox.iriver
08:51:10LinusNyou don't reset your settings by doing that
08:51:32Maximeoops *panic* :x
08:52:28LinusNmenu->manage settings->reset settings
08:52:43Maximeah eyah your right
08:52:46Maximeit's better now
08:52:47Maximesorry :x
08:52:59B4gderresetting fixed it?
08:53:06B4gderthe settings I mean
08:53:48LinusNMaxime: did you tweak the "anti-skip" setting?
08:54:10Maximeerm I dont think so no
08:54:47Maximehum, pluggin iriver to the computer while "Shutting down" causes iriver to "wait" .. until you unplug him
08:54:47amiconnLinusN: Btw, don't know whether you read the weekend's log - there is a serious bug on iriver concerning settings
08:55:02LinusNno i didn't read it
08:55:05amiconnTry to load a .cfg while music is playing - rockbox will lock up
08:55:06B4gderme neither
08:56:08Maximehum, pluggin iriver to the computer while "Shutting down" causes iriver to "wait" .. until you unplug him < know issue?
08:56:52LinusNno, nobody tried that
08:57:07Maximebut It does not hangs
08:57:12Maximejust wait
09:00:25Maximeiriver defrag time ^^
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09:28:13B4gderanyone knows of any scripts to imports bugs from sourceforge's tracker to bugzilla?
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09:45:08random_manhello i believe i found something that can be inproved on the rockbox firmware during this feature freeze
09:46:57random_manwhen i hold a-b and select id3 database and have file soring to newest date it shows the database but if i go back to the supported file view it goes back to alphabetical and not newest date
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09:53:19LinusNrandom_man: aha, noted
09:55:40random_manif i find anything else ill let ya know
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09:59:53amiconnLinusN: I have some considerable peakmeter rework pending, which among other things removes the performance setting
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10:01:15amiconnI would like to commit that, even though it is not yet finished. The peakmeter loop unification is still missing, as that requires some more record.c and wps.c work
10:01:20amiconn(which I will do next)
10:01:33amiconnIt also brings back high performance for the recording peakmeter
10:02:59LinusNamiconn: i trust your judgement
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10:04:04LinusNi think you should commit it
10:04:16amiconnI tried the threads_running() method to decide whether to refrain from hogging the CPU, but that didn't work as intended
10:04:21amiconnResults were pretty much random
10:04:43amiconnSo I found a better method: It now resorts to slow mode when the disk is spinning
10:05:29amiconnThat also works for Ondio, although MMC doesn't spin - ata_mmc.c reports "disk spinning" when the mmc mutex is locked
10:07:43*amiconn summons [IDC]Dragon
10:13:51amiconnBtw, the new peakmeter code decreases CPU load on iriver somewhat
10:14:02LinusNbut is the disk the only factor?
10:14:15amiconnCVS code calculates huge overlap areas on iriver...
10:15:35preglowwhat's the visible difference between the various peak meter modes?
10:16:52amiconnLinusN: The reason for decreasing the CPU load was that with the peakmeter hogging the CPU it happened that if the fat code had to search for next free cluster this might have taken so long that the recording buffer wrapped in the meantime
10:17:16LinusNah yes
10:17:27amiconnSo checking for the disk spinning and not hogging the CPU in that case is sufficient
10:18:25LinusNor maybe a more "active" solution could be found, where the recorder explicitly sets the peak meter in non-hog mode when saving the data
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10:25:32amiconnLinusN: Hmm, sounds good...
10:25:52amiconnI actually want to have *3* performance settings for the peakmeter
10:26:35preglowdoes it really impact things so much that we want an option for this? i always thought it was kind of a silly option
10:27:05amiconnpreglow: look a bit back in the log. I *removed* the option
10:27:14amiconnHowever, I need 3 settings internally
10:27:35preglowrockbox is a bit heavy on the option side, currently
10:27:51amiconn(1) Lowest, peek once per refresh (HZ/20). Used while saving recording data, for the reason I mentioned
10:28:09amiconn(2) Medium, peeking once per tick (HZ/100). Used for playback
10:28:34amiconnThis saves battery power while still being fairly accurate
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10:29:12amiconn(3) High, used for recording (archos only), peeking as often as possible (once per yield())
10:29:18preglowdoes any of this impact the iriver code?
10:29:45amiconnpreglow: Yes, partly
10:30:35amiconnThe peek frequency doesn't affect precision on iriver, so (3) doesn't make sense
10:31:09amiconnHowever, peek frequency does affect trigger latency, so (2) is still desirable
10:31:53amiconn(and is almost the same as the cvs implementation works, only that the cvs code calculates huge overlaps)
10:32:37amiconnBtw, (3) turns out at ~600 peeks / sec on average on archos
10:53:29preglowhmm, i don't think i'm aware of how you get your peaks on the archoses
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11:54:35solex_Does anybody know about the fix for the CPU boosting problem on Iriver?
11:54:54solex_changelog entry: 2005-08-28 14:17
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11:55:17solexApparently it doesn't work for me.
11:56:18Slashersolex: Hmm, what is your problem?
11:56:52solexAfter playing a file and then pressing 'Stop', the CPU stays at 120MHz while the player does nothing.
11:57:02solexIt has been reported on the mailing list.
11:57:08Slasherinteresting.. that should have fixed it
11:57:22Slasherare you sure you have tried the latest bleeding edge build?
11:57:44solexdaily build from 2005-08-29
11:57:51Slasherdo you have voice menus enabled or voice file installed?
11:58:17Slasherhmm.. i will try that again when i get home
11:58:18LinusNvoice is enabled by default
11:58:49ashridahwoo. new kernel time.
11:59:00solexI just looked again. Voice is definitely off.
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12:00:36MoosHello guys !
12:00:53ashridahshould be interesting to see how jacking my timer rate to 1000Hz
12:01:00ashridahwill affect things
12:02:25LinusNsolex: what type of files are you playing?
12:02:55solexmp3 vbr or fixed, Ogg, Flac
12:03:12solexTo me it looks as if the type doesn't matter at all.
12:03:29LinusNi can't make it happen with the latest rockbox
12:03:32solexWhile playing, the CPU changes frequency normally, btw.
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12:04:00LinusNcan you check what menu->info->version says?
12:04:45solexmaybe I am doing something wrong.
12:04:57solexlet me tell you excatly what I do:
12:05:07solex1. power on the unit
12:05:22solex2. go to debug->cpu freq
12:05:35solexit shows ~48MHz
12:05:42solex3. press play
12:05:59LinusNin the debug screen?
12:06:00solexfrequency in the debug menu changes sometimes from 48 to 120 MHz and back
12:06:03solexLinusN: yep
12:06:11LinusNthat's the backlight
12:06:17solex4. huh?
12:06:48LinusNthe backlight fading boosts the cpu
12:07:22LinusNok, so then what do you do?
12:07:35solex4. press top, go back to debugmenu
12:07:58solexit always shows 120 MHz. Backlight on, fading, off, still 120MHz.
12:08:34LinusNso you don't even play music?
12:09:33solexno. while playing, everything is fine (about changing freq).
12:10:16LinusNyou said you went to the cpu freq screen and pressed play
12:10:20Slashersolex: Hmm.. so you go to debug menu->cpu freq, press stop and then you go there again?
12:10:47solexno, i press stop when i am at the wps
12:10:53solexthen go to debug again.
12:11:26solexLinusN: no, i am at the dir browser when pressing play. the go to debug
12:11:31LinusNso between step 2 and step 3, you left the debug menu, selected a file and started playing it?
12:11:50solexLinusN: yep, left that out
12:11:55LinusN12.04.57 # <solex> let me tell you excatly what I do:
12:13:01LinusNwhat is the boost count when this happens?
12:13:06solexalways 1
12:13:34LinusNand 2 when the backlight fades?
12:14:20solexLinusN: correct.
12:14:29solexdidn't see that before.
12:15:14LinusNdoesn't happen for me
12:15:27LinusNit doesn't stay boosted
12:16:22solexi am trying to install the snapshot again
12:17:25*solex hates windows
12:18:33solex"try stopping the device later"
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12:18:51LinusNclose the explorer window
12:19:26solexLinusN: it *is* closed. only have firefox and putty running.
12:19:45LinusNhehe, sometimes it helps doing it twice
12:20:09muesli-linus: in fact its you i'd like to ask if ever happened to an iriver?
12:20:16LinusNmuesli-: no
12:20:30LinusNnot that i know of
12:20:33solexLinusN: killing the explorer process helped. :)
12:20:36muesli-ok, better to know
12:20:42LinusNsolex: silly
12:21:27solexLinusN: yeah, especially because I had to manually restart it via the task manager
12:22:13solexstill the same behaviour.
12:22:26solexstuck at 120MHz after playing a few seconds
12:22:46solexand now I have a "System Volume Information" folder.
12:23:45LinusNwhat else you you have in the same folder as the file you are playing?
12:24:06solexfiles of the same type (one fodler per album)
12:25:13LinusNi can't repeat it :-(
12:25:33LinusNwhat if you reset your settings?
12:26:34solexeverything gets ugly :)
12:26:38solexwait a minute...
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12:28:47solexLinusN: no luck.
12:31:22LinusNi'm running 20050829 with the default settings and i can't repeat it
12:32:17solexIs it possible that it is a hardware failure?
12:32:30LinusNjust checking, you don
12:32:48LinusN't do anything else in the cpu freq screen except leave it with STOP?
12:33:27LinusNextremely weird
12:33:27solexit lies on the table and I am waiting for the backlight to fade out (10sec)
12:34:07*solex has a strong feeling that he is doing something wrong
12:34:15LinusNdefault backlight is 4 sec
12:34:27LinusNdid you really reset your settings?
12:34:52solexyes, but after seeing the same behaviour, I already reverted to my old settings
12:35:21solexbut you're very alert. :)
12:36:52amiconnLinusN: Yesterday I found a bug and a problem while hunting a recording glitch observed by my sister :/
12:36:57LinusNi'm out of ideas
12:37:01solexI just reset my settings again and rebooted, but still no luck
12:37:14LinusNamiconn: oh?
12:37:17amiconn(1) The recording beep *does* disturb recording, although I don't know why
12:37:35solexLinusN: it's ok, I should listen to my lesson anyway. ;)
12:37:56amiconnThe mas occasionally delivers an incomplete frame when we beep. Very bad with prerecording :(
12:37:59*solex is attending "algorithms and data structures" atm
12:38:23LinusNamiconn: badness
12:38:52amiconn(2) File size reporting is wrong with prerecording. I think a fix should be fairly simple, and also allow to do the average bitrate calculation when recording with prerecording on
12:40:26amiconnCurrently we don't do that, and file size displayed in the recording screen shows total amount of data transferred from the mas, not how much data actually ended up in the final recording
12:40:38LinusNah yes
12:41:27amiconnI wonder why the recording beep disturbs recording. It should only offect parts of the mas not used for recording (the DAC)
12:41:38amiconnOf course the beep does heavy i2c transfers
12:41:40LinusNperhaps the mas has performance problems, and the i2c communication causes it to drop frames?
12:42:14amiconnI don't know how to solve this other than removing the beep...
12:42:27LinusNand/or the peak meter :-O
12:43:06amiconnThe peakmeter isn't involved here; it's in low-performance mode in current cvs
12:43:41LinusNstill, it may be a timing issue
12:44:03LinusNand having a high perf meter will increase the risk of bad frames
12:44:10LinusNjust a theory
12:45:22amiconnHmm, the peakmeter also does i2c...
12:45:49amiconnHowever, we had high-perf peakmeter before my changes.
12:46:09amiconnHmm, was there a recording peakmeter in ye'old release 2.2?
12:46:15LinusNthink so
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12:46:50amiconnHmm.... :/
12:48:02LinusNpeak meter has always been in recording.c, since 1.1
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13:11:35LinusNsolex: i see it now
13:13:33solexOnly the problem or even a solution? :)
13:13:59LinusNso far only the problem
13:15:01solexwhat's happening?
13:15:21LinusNdon't know, i just see that the boost counter stays at 1
13:16:03solexWhat does the bc stand for, btw? something like "system load"?
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13:41:05Febs_awayLinusN, if you have a chance, look at the most recent posts in this MR thread and let me know what you think:
13:41:40Febs_awayIt relates to this wiki page that I wrote yesterday:
13:42:02Febs_awayAs well as to an overall effort to coordinate and clean-up competing pages regarding installation instructions.
13:42:14Febs_awayI'm on my way out the door for work, but will check the logs for any responses.
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13:44:12Febs_away(Unfortunately, Wrecker wrote a similar page after I did mine−−not sure why−−but we're working on integrating the efforts.)
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14:05:10LinusNFebs_away: marius' attitude annoys me
14:07:11B4gderI agree
14:07:20B4gderimho, he should be ignored to silence
14:08:00B4gderyou can't satisfy a whiner
14:08:07ashridahdid someone brick their player?
14:08:40LinusNashridah: no, why?
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14:09:37ashridahah, sorry, just started reading the thread, thought that someone was whinging that they'd broken their player.
14:10:03FebsI agree about Marius. My response that you saw in that thread was MUCH more measured than what I originally drafted.
14:10:18FebsI'm giving him one more chance before I just put him on ignore.
14:10:57LinusNbtw, i wasn't happy at all when i saw what wrecker did to the IriverBoot page
14:11:34FebsI don't think I saw what he he did before you reverted it.
14:11:59FebsAnd I haven't look at the revision history.
14:14:29FebsI like some aspects of his IriverInstall page, but his focus is different from mine. He's very iriver/Windows oriented. I'm trying to write something modular so it can easily be adapted to multiple platforms.
14:14:52FebsI guess I'm trying to do something similar with these docs as you folks are doing with the code itself.
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14:57:08ashridahwoot. had an assignment where we needed to write a BST (easy) and a bottom up splay tree to complement the linked list we had in the previous assignment. i've had said assignment for 2 days. i'm already finished.
14:57:39ashridahneed better test searches :(
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18:00:22Coldtoastmorning all
18:00:24t0mashow far is Linus done with the H3xx bootloader?
18:00:39t0masI have someone that wants to buy my H120
18:00:43t0masso I want an H340
18:01:11Coldtoastman. OSX is a bit different
18:01:30Maxime`hehe, apple, "think different" ^^
18:01:48Coldtoastit's very nice tho
18:01:52Coldtoastvery friendly
18:02:00Maxime`never tried :x
18:02:18ColdtoastI installed it yesterday
18:02:37Maxime`on a PC ?
18:03:17t0masand I need to buy a H340 then
18:03:24t0masis it still sold somewhere?
18:03:32thegeekosx is nice indeed
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18:03:47thegeekI just wish apple will make x86 laptops too
18:04:04Coldtoasthave you installed it at all thegeek?
18:04:10thegeekon my laptop
18:04:13Coldtoastcool hey?
18:04:29thegeekI did it one of the first days after the leak
18:04:29Coldtoastis your wireless supported?
18:04:33thegeekhave not really used it yet
18:04:37thegeekdid not bother to check;)
18:04:45thegeekI just booted, played around a little
18:04:58thegeeknot much point without gfx acceleration
18:04:59Coldtoasthave you installed teh SSE3>SSE2 patch?
18:05:08thegeekbut I read about it
18:05:14Coldtoastok. it does work
18:05:14thegeekit's not really a complete patch
18:05:21thegeekit only emulates two sse3 instructions
18:05:24Coldtoastthe DVD player still doesn't seem to want to work tho
18:05:32Coldtoastaah ok
18:05:46ColdtoastI'm actually tempted to upgrade to an SSE3 CPU for OSX
18:05:55thegeekit's probably not that much work to implement support for more sse3 instructions
18:06:10thegeekI would probably not bother to use osx on my main computer here at home
18:06:13thegeekbut on my laptop
18:06:17thegeekI would perhaps use it
18:06:31thegeekI really like os x
18:06:36ColdtoastI can't seem to get >1280x1024 either
18:06:38thegeekbut I'm just too dependant on windows atm
18:06:51thegeekyou tried that boot-param stuff?
18:06:52Coldtoastthe really good thing about OSX, which tempts me
18:07:02thegeek"GraphicsMode" something
18:07:02Coldtoastis it's so blatantly *nix based
18:07:06thegeekI know
18:07:12Coldtoastyeah. but can only seem to get to 1280
18:07:16thegeekit's unix with a great ui on top
18:07:36thegeekI had to remove all the ati gfx drivers for it to boot on my laptop
18:07:39Coldtoastso it has the beauty of nix and the functionality of Photoshop, loads of audio apps, etc
18:07:44thegeekit has a radeon 9700 mobile
18:07:48thegeekbut it would freeze
18:07:55Coldtoasthmmm. ok
18:07:55thegeekeven thought os x did have a kext/driver for it
18:08:05thegeekbut oh well
18:08:08ColdtoastI REALLY wish Apple would release this :(
18:08:15thegeekit's still just a hacked together "beta"
18:08:18Coldtoastthey'd make an absolute killing
18:08:25thegeekI agree
18:08:33Maxime`but, how does osx works on a PC ? o_O
18:08:36thegeekI would certainly consider installing it on my parents computer
18:08:44Coldtoastah yeah. definitely
18:08:47thegeekMaxime`: it is compiled for x86
18:08:54Coldtoasthmmmmm. I might even see if my Dad is interested
18:09:09ColdtoastMaxime`: you DO know Apple have moved to Intel, right?
18:09:27Maxime`I heard apple wanted to move
18:09:33Coldtoastheh. man
18:09:46Coldtoastthey did it, like, 2 months ago?
18:10:06Maxime`On Clubic (a french news site)
18:10:07Maxime`Apple : retard possible pour la transition Intel ?
18:10:11thegeekthey dont sell any x86 computers yet
18:10:20Maxime`wich means maybe apple will have some delay
18:10:24thegeekso I would hardly say they have "moved" to intel
18:10:25Coldtoastthey've secured enough PPC chips to last til something like 2008 tho
18:10:48Maxime`but we can "download" this somewhere?
18:11:05Coldtoastthegeek: well, ppl move but still go back to their old house to check the mail :)
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18:11:37thegeekI want rockbox for the zen micro
18:11:45Coldtoastoh hey
18:11:51thegeekI loove the zen micro
18:11:53Coldtoastwhat do you think of the news RE: Rio?
18:11:56thegeekit's so tiny and smooth
18:12:01thegeekrio sucks;)
18:12:09Maxime`no more rio ^^
18:12:11Coldtoastppl LOVE the gapless tho
18:12:29thegeeka VERY few geeks LOVE the gapless
18:12:36thegeekmost people have no idea what gapless is;)
18:12:53Coldtoastdude. it's pretty much the one feature ppl mention when you talk about Rio
18:13:18Coldtoaston teh weekend a friend brought his ipod up
18:13:29Coldtoastwe connected it to the stereo. and connected my h140
18:13:33thegeekI guess there is a reason they did not exactly go out on top;)
18:13:51ColdtoastI dunno. I shouldn't jusdge the sound quality on one guy's collection I guess
18:14:15Coldtoasthe just mustn't be fussy I think
18:14:19Coldtoastwell, it sounded terrible
18:14:21t0maswhat's a good price for a H120 ?
18:14:34thegeekhard to say because it's so darmn rare these days t0mas
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18:16:51t0masLinus has started working on the H3xx
18:16:59t0masbut we'll never know when it's done...
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18:26:39SlasherHmm, when the feature freeze is over, i will commit file tree caching option for iriver :) I will try to make it as transparent for user as possible (very fast boot-up times etc.)
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18:31:39MoosHi Slasher, it's very nice
18:32:00SlasherMoos :)
18:32:12Slasherit's already almost working on my player
18:32:33Moosvery cool
18:32:51Slasherand full caching takes only ~160 kB (i have quite big collection of files on the player)
18:33:22Moosit would be a very interesting feature
18:34:08Slasheryes, and on boot up the cache could be loaded from a file (very fast, in practice no affect to the performance)
18:34:18Slasherand after usb connection the cache could be automatically rebuild
18:34:36Moosoh, i'm very unwaited :)
18:35:10Mooswhat's about your ideas about remote?
18:35:37Slasheri will still investigate that (it will take some time)
18:35:49Moosa ok :)
18:36:53Moos1 week reaining for release and end of this freeze
18:37:56preglowSlasher: nice
18:38:17preglow1 week remaining is a bit optimistic, there are still a ton of bugs that need fixing
18:38:45Moosa freeze is for 2 weeks if I remenber well
18:39:05Moosit's true not a lot of bug fixed :)
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18:44:09_nrg_Hi, I'm new to rockbox and I'm loading a wps but it doesn't load the bpm which was included with the wps. What am i doing wrong?
18:44:33Slasherput the wps and bmp in the same directory (under .rockbox)
18:44:43linuxstbHi all. I'm a little confused about the Status column at page
18:45:08Slasherlinuxstb: yes, that looks too bad..
18:45:13linuxstbI'm guessing that "Not fixed" means "Not yet fixed, but needs to be fixed before the release"
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18:45:27linuxstb"Not critical" means that the bug will be in the release
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18:45:40Slasherbut those all are archos related problems
18:45:46linuxstbAnd "investigate" means that someone needs to investigate it?
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18:46:00_nrg_Slasher, i did that but it doesn't show. the wps and bmp are directly into the .rockbox dir.
18:46:16linuxstbSlasher: I know. But I feel it's time I dug up my old Archos and tried to help.
18:46:18Slasher_nrg_: hmm, weird
18:46:35Slashermake sure the filename for the bmp is same in the .wps-file than the real file
18:46:43_nrg_I read something about a patch? or this not needed?
18:47:07Slasherno, bmp wps should work directly
18:47:24Slasherjust get the latest daily build
18:47:43_nrg_I think i did
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18:57:49JoeBornplease let me know if this is not the appropriate place to ask this, but anyone have a source for those unusual USB cables for the archos recorder?
18:59:56linuxstbJoeBorn: I don't think they are that unusual - what country are you in?
19:00:24JoeBornwell, I can see it on the archos website, but they are $40
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19:05:03linuxstbJoeBorn: After checking the rockbox mailing list archives, I've found this link -
19:05:07linuxstb$1.99 :)
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19:05:51JoeBornwow, thanks!
19:06:20JoeBornanyone know if it charges via USB? otherwise, I'll have to find a power supply too
19:06:34LearBagder: Shouldn't patch 1242504 (Vorbis comments for FLAC) be closed?
19:07:12idanmhello guys! I'm new here, and I wanna help. I have some experience in C,C++ and other stuff..
19:07:33linuxstbJoeBorn: No, I don't think the Archos's are capable of that.
19:08:36linuxstbidanm: First thing is to set yourself up a development environment and compile the source. Then start hacking...
19:08:55idanmany guides ?
19:09:15idanmoh, and I have h340
19:09:27JoeBornyou don't happen to have a source for the power adapter off hand do you?
19:09:31linuxstbWhich player are you looking to develop for? iriver or Archos? Also, what OS do you use?
19:09:39JoeBornI can just look throught the archives if not
19:09:43linuxstbJoeBorn: No, sorry.
19:10:53linuxstbidanm: A good place to start is the Rockbox Wiki -
19:11:01linuxstbEspecially the "For developers" section.
19:13:46linuxstbidanm: This page is probably a good intro:
19:15:56linuxstbNo problem. I don't use Windows, but if you have any problems, come back here and hopefully someone can help.
19:16:31idanmis the h300 port develpment in stage where non professional programmers can help?
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19:36:36preglowlinuxstb: you got the alac thing ready for commiting after the freeze?
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19:45:10linuxstbpreglow: Yep.
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19:45:30linuxstbIt's been ready for a week or so.
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20:04:23t0mas[19:19] <idanm> is the h300 port develpment in stage where non professional programmers can help?
20:04:40t0masyou can just add features to rockbox, and help with the 2.5 release...
20:04:51t0masif you do everything you can... you save others works
20:05:00t0masso they have time to do things you can't
20:05:22t0maseverything added to rockbox now will be done on the H3xx too
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20:21:08linuxstbpreglow: Did you read my note in the logs about a silly change to the FAAD2 license that may mean it's not GPL compatible? I've added some links to the SoundCodecs wiki page about it.
20:22:08thegeekthey did say they would consider changing it to "request" instead of a "demand"
20:22:19thegeekthat addition
20:22:42LearHeh, the developers think it's only a clarification, other's don't agree... :)
20:22:50linuxstbBut the GPL is the GPL - they should be messing around with it.
20:22:56LearIt's been discussed at
20:22:59linuxstb^should not :)
20:23:15linuxstbLear: Yes, that's the link I've added to the Wiki.
20:24:12linuxstbIt seems we should be using the CVS version from Jan 30th 2005 - just to be safe. Anyone know if anything important was changed after that point?
20:24:59linuxstbThat date is apparently when the latest set of changes from Nero were synced - including the controversial change.
20:30:29t0maswhat are "depictions" ?
20:30:57preglowlinuxstb: yeah, did, hoping it gets fixed
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20:31:57preglowlinuxstb: i say we wait it out until it calms down and is clarified, unless you're the one porting it and actually want to deal with syncing it later if it sorts out ;)
20:32:36*amiconn wants to logf on the recorder, but the compiler flags prevented it
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21:00:51linuxstbpreglow: I'm having a quick attempt at compiling libfaad in Rockbox at the moment. I don't know if I'll have chance to continue working on it, but if the other codecs are anything to go by, I don't think syncing will be a problem in the future.
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21:06:56linuxstbOh well, it was going well up to "sbr_hfgen.c:184: internal compiler error: in reload_cse_simplify_operands, at postreload.c:378"
21:21:20solexI just noticed that rockbox hangs when I use an image tag in my .wps file without a trailing '|'
21:23:16amiconnlinuxstb: Which gcc version?
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21:29:24linuxstbamiconn: m68k-elf-gcc (GCC) 3.4.2
21:30:28amiconnHmm, maybe try the latest of the 3.4 series, 3.4.4 ?
21:30:40amiconnThat's what I am using for h1x0
21:31:54linuxstbOK, I'll try that. I'm using the binutils CVS from Feb 2005 - is it worth upgrading that as well?
21:32:29amiconnWhich version are these?
21:32:44linuxstbGNU assembler 2.15.94 20050203
21:32:46amiconnIf <2.16 I would recommend upgrading them
21:33:06LearI have 3.4.4 installed here...
21:33:11amiconnOf course upgrading binutils won't help solving an ice...
21:33:18linuxstbOK then :)
21:38:38linuxstbamiconn: Is (your?) gcc patch for 3.4.4 just needed for cygwin/Mac OS X ?
21:40:56amiconnI don't know anyone using MacOS, so I'm not sure. Note 3 in says it might be necessary...
21:41:34LearIs that the patch removing the string "/68040" in a certain file?
21:42:51amiconn...but it's /m68040
21:42:55LearThen I'd guess it is needed... Noticed when building anyway...
21:43:37linuxstbI compiled 3.4.2 on Mac OS X a couple of weeks ago (I've been using an iBook recently whilst on holiday), and had no troubles.
21:44:08linuxstbBut I haven't tried 3.4.4
21:44:16amiconnJust try without the patch first. If it fails, clean build dir, apply patch, and retry
21:45:50linuxstbOK, I'll do that later tonight and will let you know.
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21:59:14solexHi again. I'd like to display the year from an ID3 tag only if it is really set
22:00:11linuxstbamiconn: Are you using the CVS binutils or one of the 2.16 tarballs for iriver?
22:00:26solexbut %?iy always returns '0' which as evaluated as 'true'
22:00:41amiconnI'm using plain 2.16 atm, but plan to update to 2.16.1
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22:01:39amiconnI am almost up to date with binutils (2.16 for both sh1 and m68k) and gcc, within their series (3.3.6 for sh1 and 3.4.4 for m68k)
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22:04:09linuxstbOut of curiousity, do you have any idea if the m68k parts of gcc are being actively developed?
22:08:39linuxstbWell, the 3.4.4 installation went without problem (no patch needed - under Debian). But the ice problems remain...
22:09:27amiconnHmm :/
22:16:04linuxstbfaad2 does seem a little bit of a mess - there are flags to disable parts of the code, but they are not implemented properly. i.e. if I try and disable the part of the code that fails, then I get problems elsewhere...
22:17:24Bagdersuch options are often hard to maintain
22:18:06linuxstbfaad2 is a maze of #ifdefs
22:23:04BagderI'm quite familiar with such mazes ;-)
22:23:14BagderI maintain one on my own
22:24:31linuxstbProblem is that I don't understand what they are all for. Time to RTFM.
22:24:37linuxstb(assuming there is one)
22:24:45Learsolex: %?iy works fine for me.
22:26:30linuxstbsolex: Do you know what kind of tags your files are using? Is it ID3v1?
22:26:36Learonly way you can get '0' is if there actually is a year tag containing the string '0'.
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22:27:49LearBagder: Time to close patch 1242504 (Vorbis comments for FLAC)? It has been applied, more or less, afaict...
22:28:20BagderLear: you lack the closing powers?
22:29:36LearCorrect. I was logged in when I had a look at it. Couldn't change a thing among the headers...
22:29:56BagderI've updated your permissions now, try again
22:30:17LearWill do, later...
22:31:59linuxstbAnyone any tips on working around internal compiler errors?
22:32:14Bagderrandom changes of code ;-/
22:32:20linuxstbThe offending line is simply "j = k + 1".
22:32:29linuxstbBagder: That's what I'm trying.
22:32:58dpassen1j++ = k
22:33:20Bagdernot quite
22:34:22BagderI would assume that something else before that causes the confusion
22:34:32Bagderas such a simple line works fine elsewhere
22:34:47Bagderbut I'm just guessing
22:35:32linuxstbReplacing it with "j = k" works. But putting j++ anywhere nearby doesn't.
22:35:59dpassen1try j += 1?
22:37:19dpassen1just as a test, why not increment k, assign it into j, then decrement k
22:37:32linuxstbdpassen1: Yes, tried that earlier - doesn't work either :(
22:38:13linuxstbBut I think I've fixed it now - just setting j=k, and changing the subsequent code appropriately (moving a j−−)
22:40:57linuxstbBut there's another one in a different file...
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22:54:41oddanybody here use gaim or trillian?
22:55:03oddi need to know the default address for yahoo messenger client connections
22:55:44linuxstbHmm. This seems more difficult. The line reference is to the opening { of an inline function definition and the error message is:
22:56:05linuxstbsbr_syntax.c:784: error: insn does not satisfy its constraints:
22:56:05linuxstb(insn 4346 4301 606 51 bits.h:148 (set (reg:QI 8 %a0)
22:56:05linuxstb (mem/s:QI (plus:SI (reg/v/f:SI 12 %a4 [orig:32 sbr ] [32])
22:56:05DBUGEnqueued KICK linuxstb
22:56:05linuxstb (reg:SI 0 %d0 [220])) [0 <variable>.numTimeSlots+0 S1 A8])) 33 {*} (nil)
22:56:05linuxstb (nil))
22:59:27linuxstbRemoving the inline declaration seems to fix it... But that's not good.
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23:02:43solexlinuxstb: (concerning %?iy) it was in fact idv2 with zeroes in the year field.
23:02:56solexI guess it was a braindead tag tool.
23:03:50amiconnAllowing strings in a numeric field is braindead anyway. id3v2 allows this for whatever reason...
23:03:58solexit works as expected with really empty year field
23:04:08solexamiconn: yeah, I noticed that, too.
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23:26:10linuxstbamiconn: I think most of the tagging systems use strings for numeric fields.
23:35:41amiconnI know. Still it doesn't make sense to me
23:43:44linuxstbOnly explanation I can think of is that it is more flexible - e.g. you could enter a range of years. But I'm not sure how a track could be released in multiple years.
23:47:52linuxstbI think I'm starting to understand these ice problems. There is a lot of mixing of signed and unsigned types, and this seems to cause the problems.
23:47:52linuxstbe.g. x=y-1 where x is signed and y is unsigned.
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23:49:24amiconnTry to compile this with gcc 4.0.x (aka have a lot of fun with heaploads of warnings) ;-)
23:49:38linuxstbNot sure if this makes sense, but in the above example, x and y are 8-bit integers, and changing to x=(y&0x7f)-1 fixes the problem.
23:50:23amiconnThat changes the way of operation...
23:50:36linuxstbWhat do you mean?
23:51:03linuxstb(libfaad2 already gives a heapload of warnings with 3.4.x)
23:53:14linuxstbChanging y to being a signed integer fixes the problem as well - and is probably the correct thing to do.
23:54:34amiconnIf y is unsigned, and >0x80 x would be negative without your addition
23:55:31amiconnTemporarily neglecting the .1, you essentially kill one bit by always setting it to 0
23:56:07linuxstbChecking the code, I don't think y is ever larger than 20 - so making it a signed 8-bit integer is fine.
23:56:53linuxstbWould it have something to do with how uint8_t and int8_t are defined in Rockbox?

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