| 00:00:03 | rasher | strike that "amiconn" |
| 00:00:05 | amiconn | lol |
| 00:00:18 | pill | :) |
| 00:00:24 | rasher | I blame tab-completion. |
| 00:00:24 | amiconn | http://www.computerbase.de/lexikon/Liste_der_ID3v1-Genres confirms it |
| 00:00:45 | pill | damn |
| 00:00:53 | pill | that's why i didn't seen crossover too |
| 00:00:55 | pill | see* |
| 00:01:15 | pill | and drumnbass |
| 00:01:21 | pill | all my favorite genres |
| 00:01:25 | pill | i guess i'm doomed |
| 00:01:52 | rasher | Well I assume adding them to Rockbox is a good idea |
| 00:01:58 | pill | of course |
| 00:01:59 | pill | :) |
| 00:02:23 | pill | i could have done it |
| 00:02:27 | pill | :( |
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| 00:02:52 | stripwax_ | evning |
| 00:03:17 | pill | hey stripwax |
| 00:04:21 | rasher | Hm, looks like the >125 ones were added within the last few years |
| 00:04:36 | pill | as if these genres didn't exist in 2k2 |
| 00:04:44 | pill | well probably |
| 00:05:12 | rasher | Some php I wrote (don't ask why I was using php for id3 parsing) has the same list as Rockbox |
| 00:05:17 | pill | i agree genres like "christian gangsta" sound really 21st century, but drum & bass is old as shit |
| 00:05:42 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 00:05:52 | stripwax_ | experiencing a bit of weirdness with latest daily build w.r.t Move To Next Folder (again). Seems I now get a popup saying "Codec Error" when it switches from the end of the last track in the folder to the first track in the next folder. My folders contain all oggs. |
| 00:06:18 | stripwax_ | Not sure whether the problem is caused by the change to Move To Next Folder or by the macsr changes |
| 00:06:55 | stripwax_ | at least Move To Next Folder now works ;-) (the Codec Error popup doesn't hamper playback, it carries on anyway) |
| 00:08:35 | stripwax_ | I also got a weird message, "Dir List Is Full" or somesuch, earlier today before Rockbox completely hung. Can't find a way to reproduce that tho.. |
| 00:09:26 | pill | this is a folder limitation |
| 00:09:29 | stripwax_ | What's the status of the code freeze? |
| 00:09:55 | rasher | It'll be a while |
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| 00:10:18 | stripwax_ | I mean, it's still frozen (right?). So cvs commits are exclusively for Archos bugfixes? |
| 00:10:45 | rasher | Any bugfixes |
| 00:11:34 | stripwax_ | Oh, ok. I might take a look at getting Move To Next Folder do the right thing at the end of the last track of the last folder ... |
| 00:11:35 | pill | stripwax: for the dir list full: go to "General Settings" "System " Limits" |
| 00:11:48 | pill | and increase the limits |
| 00:11:52 | stripwax_ | pill - I've ruled that out because I can't reproduce the problem I saw this morning.. |
| 00:12:06 | pill | k |
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| 00:12:57 | stripwax_ | Oh, here's another one: I remember seeing a cvs log saying that Inverse Bar was now the default selector- but today I put on a new build, did a Reset Settings, and the selector is that little arrow. Did I imagine the default changing to Inverse Bar? |
| 00:13:02 | pill | rasher: so basically all there is to do is add the genres > 147 to the genres array? |
| 00:13:10 | pill | > 125 |
| 00:18:48 | rasher | No idea if that'll do it |
| 00:19:01 | rasher | Try it? |
| 00:19:28 | rasher | Looks like it will work |
| 00:21:00 | amiconn | Should be as simple as that. The function returning the genre gets the limit via sizeof(genres)/sizeof(char*) |
| 00:21:51 | pill | well i never committed anything and to be honest i dont know what i need to do to do it properly |
| 00:22:03 | pill | i'd like to though |
| 00:22:44 | rasher | Do you have access? |
| 00:22:50 | pill | no |
| 00:23:00 | pill | as of now, i'm just a user |
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| 00:25:29 | rasher | Ah, well.. can't change that now |
| 00:26:27 | pill | well, if i can be of any use, i'd love to contribute |
| 00:27:05 | Moos | Bagder, Linus and Zagor gives CVS access :) |
| 00:27:24 | Moos | the trium vira :) |
| 00:27:27 | pill | heh |
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| 00:28:25 | Mat | rasher: do you see my pvmsg? |
| 00:28:34 | rasher | usually it works such that you submit a few patches, and one of them gets fed up with applying them and give you write-access |
| 00:28:46 | rasher | Mat: Didn't get one.. Freenode is probably blocking it |
| 00:28:56 | preglow | stripwax_: i sincerely doubt the macsr changes enter into it |
| 00:29:21 | stripwax_ | preglow cool. must be the Move To Next Folder logic then. which has been broken for a while now? |
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| 00:29:31 | webguest40 | evening |
| 00:29:37 | rasher | Mat: You need to be registred and identified with nickserv to be able to privmsg. |
| 00:30:02 | webguest40 | hey ami are you around? |
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| 00:30:19 | preglow | stripwax_: the only error i think macsr errors could result in, are glitchy audio |
| 00:30:25 | preglow | cant imagine why it would give a codec error |
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| 00:32:20 | stripwax_ | preglow - I didn't check out your changes so I don't know how much of the code was moved around. Move To Next Folder looks like the most likely candidate since it wasn't working before the change and it's not working (in a different way) after the change |
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| 00:35:14 | rasher | Heh.. "drivers/fat.c: In function `fat_time': drivers/fat.c:1069: error: `YEAR' undeclared (first use in this function)" |
| 00:35:18 | Mathieu1 | what is the command for freenoode registration please I forget |
| 00:35:19 | rasher | looks like someone needs to reconfigure |
| 00:35:39 | stripwax_ | rasher - make clean? |
| 00:35:51 | rasher | /msg nickserv register password |
| 00:35:59 | rasher | stripwax_: or that |
| 00:35:59 | Mathieu1 | thanks |
| 00:36:12 | preglow | rasher: reconfigure for me |
| 00:36:24 | rasher | yeah, make clean doens't cut it |
| 00:36:27 | preglow | indeed |
| 00:36:50 | * | rasher employs build-script magic |
| 00:37:14 | preglow | oh well |
| 00:37:25 | preglow | ill go dream about greener pastures and faster codecs |
| 00:37:27 | preglow | later, all |
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| 00:38:01 | Mathieu1 | rasher: pvmsg ;) |
| 00:40:35 | rasher | pill: That worked.. I now have "hardcore" displayed |
| 00:40:41 | pill | lucky you |
| 00:40:44 | pill | i dont :) |
| 00:40:45 | rasher | amiconn: Any reason why I shouldn't commit this? |
| 00:40:54 | amiconn | rasher: You need to reconfigure. This is caused by my change that the fat driver uses the build date as start date on non-rtc units |
| 00:41:17 | amiconn | No more 2003-08-01 :) |
| 00:41:55 | rasher | Indeed |
| 00:42:06 | rasher | It wasn't meant as a complaint |
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| 00:42:48 | stripwax_ | rasher - "hardcore" ? |
| 00:43:04 | rasher | as ID3v1 genre |
| 00:43:20 | stripwax_ | heh |
| 00:43:27 | amiconn | rasher: I think the genre list complement is a bugfix... |
| 00:43:57 | rasher | I'd say that as well |
| 00:44:04 | rasher | They seem widely accepted |
| 00:44:30 | rasher | And Rockbox really should have them |
| 00:44:46 | pill | erm |
| 00:44:50 | pill | of course |
| 00:45:06 | pill | i cant live without crossover, hardcore, drumnbass and christian rock |
| 00:45:11 | rasher | I'll have a look if anything's depending on the genre-list being a specific size |
| 00:45:35 | rasher | Not to mention BritPop! |
| 00:46:07 | stripwax_ | man... watching The Apprentice USA is painful. |
| 00:46:44 | webguest40 | hey ami you know the other day linus came in and we talk about the igp100? any more thoughts on that or if it is a possible target for a port of RB at a later stage? |
| 00:46:57 | pill | nd Negerpunk |
| 00:46:58 | pill | hahaha |
| 00:47:17 | stripwax_ | ooh, iGp100? |
| 00:47:18 | * | stripwax_ googles |
| 00:47:29 | pill | 1GB minidisc like drivers |
| 00:47:31 | pill | drives* |
| 00:47:33 | webguest40 | igp-100 with the dash |
| 00:47:35 | rasher | Pretty much a repackaged ihp100 with smaller drives |
| 00:47:37 | amiconn | rasher: I already checked. The only reference is in id3_get_genre(), and that one gets the array size as I already mentioned |
| 00:47:44 | stripwax_ | oh, neato. |
| 00:47:52 | webguest40 | uses 1" drive |
| 00:48:33 | stripwax_ | is it a 'current' model? |
| 00:48:36 | pill | no |
| 00:48:40 | pill | 2YO |
| 00:48:49 | rasher | amiconn: For some reason I was under the illusion that id3_get_genre returned the genre number |
| 00:48:55 | rasher | Which would be... silly. |
| 00:48:58 | webguest40 | but h100 isnt exactly current either since they dont manufacture it anymore |
| 00:49:00 | stripwax_ | pill ok thx.. |
| 00:49:08 | stripwax_ | webguest40 well, ... yes. |
| 00:49:55 | amiconn | rasher: No. It directly returns the genre string if there is one (id3v2), otherwise it returns a pointer into the genre list, derived from the genre number |
| 00:50:13 | rasher | Yeah.. braindump here |
| 00:50:13 | stripwax_ | Hrm. Googling suggests the igp100 uses 1.5GB of *flash*. But I'm sure that's crap |
| 00:50:13 | amiconn | ...or NULL if out of bounds |
| 00:50:27 | rasher | Stripwax: It is, I saw pictures |
| 00:50:42 | webguest40 | just thought it might be real easy to port at a later stage when h100 rb is considered complete. nah it uses 1" hd. |
| 00:51:09 | stripwax_ | rasher cool. yeah, seems to 'branded' a flash player even though it's got an hdd. weird. |
| 00:51:13 | webguest40 | could be replaced with an even larger capacity 1" |
| 00:51:17 | amiconn | webguest03: igp-100 should be an easy one, certainly easier than h-300 |
| 00:51:28 | webguest40 | k |
| 00:51:44 | webguest40 | but is it worth it? |
| 00:52:20 | amiconn | I think so |
| 00:52:28 | webguest40 | i mean i have never owned an archos so dont know if you took similar decisions in past with porting rb concerning archos players at that time which were 'out of date' |
| 00:53:04 | rasher | I actually wanted to buy a ihp-100 instead of the h120 |
| 00:53:07 | amiconn | It increases the user base, and hopefully the developer base, and it's a device with very similar hardware to one we already support |
| 00:53:16 | rasher | But the only Danish shop claiming to have them didn't. |
| 00:53:29 | amiconn | That means, it should be worth it even if the absolute number isn't that high |
| 00:53:44 | stripwax_ | rasher - why would you want an ihp100 instead of h120? |
| 00:53:54 | rasher | Eh, igp-100 |
| 00:53:56 | pill | ah |
| 00:53:58 | pill | heh |
| 00:53:58 | amiconn | We ported to Ondio when it already was out of production |
| 00:54:01 | webguest40 | so what can i do to help? i guess you would need some hardware (igp100) |
| 00:54:02 | stripwax_ | heh.. |
| 00:54:26 | webguest40 | donation to rb fund or perhaps try to find an igp100 for sale? |
| 00:54:59 | rasher | I'm still curious about the economics of the rb fund |
| 00:55:30 | amiconn | I expext porting h-100 -> igp-100 will be easier than archos recorder -> ondio |
| 00:55:37 | stripwax_ | do we see what the donations are being used for (like, e.g., the fund on www.nslu2-linux.org) |
| 00:55:59 | rasher | stripwax_: not directly |
| 00:56:18 | rasher | Occasionally there'll be a "we bought a gadget" somewhere |
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| 00:57:20 | stripwax_ | rasher hm. would be nice! |
| 00:57:36 | stripwax_ | (sorry, this is the link I meant http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Info/DonationList) |
| 00:58:14 | rasher | I don't care much for the donation list, I must say. |
| 00:58:23 | webguest40 | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/i-river-MP3-Player-1-3-GB-Model-iGP-100_W0QQitemZ5806739537QQcategoryZ48683QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 00:58:35 | rasher | But "this is how much we've recieved: .. and this is what we've bought:" |
| 00:58:36 | stripwax_ | I meant the second half of the page, which lists what the donations are being used for |
| 00:58:37 | webguest40 | hmm there is only 1 igp for sale on ebay it seems |
| 00:58:46 | rasher | stripwax_: yeah |
| 00:58:51 | webguest40 | unless i looked in wrong place or for wrong thing.. |
| 00:58:58 | rasher | That'd satisfy my curiousity |
| 00:59:04 | thegeek | actually |
| 00:59:09 | thegeek | my brother has an igp-100 |
| 00:59:14 | thegeek | it's harddrive is dead |
| 00:59:20 | rasher | ooooh! |
| 00:59:26 | thegeek | it's a very rare hd, tiny 1.5 gb thing |
| 00:59:28 | rasher | Developer-fodder |
| 00:59:29 | stripwax_ | webguest40 - go global, dude. well, ok, this turns up just one more. http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=igp&category0= |
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| 00:59:33 | thegeek | indeed |
| 00:59:38 | thegeek | it's a quite nice player actually |
| 00:59:45 | thegeek | but they are exceptionally rare these days |
| 00:59:48 | stripwax_ | thegeek - and do www.span.com sell those hdds? :-) |
| 01:00 |
| 01:00:12 | thegeek | oh |
| 01:00:16 | thegeek | let me see |
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| 01:00:28 | thegeek | dont think so |
| 01:00:29 | webguest40 | ah i found another. seems like a bargain |
| 01:00:31 | thegeek | it really is tiny |
| 01:00:34 | webguest40 | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5805604503&sspagename=ADME:L:RTQ:UK:1 |
| 01:00:39 | thegeek | it's like a small memory card |
| 01:00:40 | thegeek | almost |
| 01:00:43 | stripwax_ | thegeek - they sell 0.85" and 1" drives .. so ... ? |
| 01:00:50 | thegeek | oh |
| 01:00:54 | thegeek | let me check a bit closer;) |
| 01:01:21 | stripwax_ | ... although nothing as small as 1.5 GB :-( |
| 01:01:41 | thegeek | well |
| 01:01:45 | rasher | So he'll get a bigger harddisk |
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| 01:01:49 | rasher | that's hardly a problem |
| 01:01:51 | stripwax_ | rasher ;-) |
| 01:01:51 | thegeek | I know the drives came in 4gb versions too |
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| 01:02:04 | thegeek | but it was a wierd manufacturer |
| 01:02:08 | thegeek | I cant remember the name |
| 01:02:12 | thegeek | but certainly not one of the top dogs |
| 01:02:21 | stripwax_ | thegeek hrmph. unfortunate. |
| 01:02:27 | webguest40 | con- something |
| 01:02:30 | thegeek | ;) |
| 01:02:47 | stripwax_ | Cornice |
| 01:02:52 | webguest40 | yep |
| 01:02:53 | stripwax_ | same as the rio niturs |
| 01:02:55 | stripwax_ | nitrus |
| 01:03:28 | thegeek | the producer was cornice |
| 01:03:30 | thegeek | atleast I think so |
| 01:04:01 | stripwax_ | wonder if it's a standard interface |
| 01:04:03 | * | stripwax_ laughs |
| 01:04:10 | thegeek | it seems it's cf+ |
| 01:04:14 | thegeek | one inch |
| 01:04:19 | thegeek | http://www.span.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=23_505 |
| 01:04:28 | thegeek | one from that list would prob work |
| 01:04:29 | thegeek | but. |
| 01:04:35 | thegeek | he's already bought a zen micro |
| 01:04:51 | rasher | so steal the old one and send it to Linus ;) |
| 01:04:53 | thegeek | and it was cheaper than those drives;) |
| 01:04:53 | thegeek | hehe |
| 01:04:58 | thegeek | perhaps I will |
| 01:05:02 | thegeek | I'll hear with him |
| 01:05:17 | thegeek | it still works for radio |
| 01:05:21 | webguest40 | so the old 1" cornice wasnt the same variety as these cf2 microdrives? |
| 01:05:25 | thegeek | but he does not exactly use it |
| 01:05:35 | thegeek | I really don't know webguest40 |
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| 01:05:46 | stripwax_ | Cornice stop manufacturing 1" drives: http://www.infoworld.com/article/05/05/04/HNcorniceseagate_1.html Guess that explains why igp is super-rare! |
| 01:05:49 | webguest40 | cos a 8gig drive sounds reeally nice |
| 01:06:10 | * | stripwax_ is still scouring the shops for an mk4007gal ;-) |
| 01:06:12 | thegeek | http://www.span.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=23_505&products_id=5389 |
| 01:06:14 | thegeek | in that picture |
| 01:06:18 | thegeek | you see the "connector" |
| 01:06:43 | thegeek | I think the connector on the harddrive in the igp only has less than 10 wires |
| 01:06:45 | thegeek | but damn |
| 01:06:45 | rasher | so tiny.. |
| 01:06:52 | thegeek | it's so long since I looked at it |
| 01:06:53 | stripwax_ | Yeah - from that news article I posted - I'd guess Seagate and Cornice hdds would be compatible |
| 01:07:00 | thegeek | mhm |
| 01:07:18 | rasher | Hrm, it looks like the connector I saw yesterday in the FCC pdfs |
| 01:07:25 | thegeek | but |
| 01:07:27 | thegeek | thing is |
| 01:07:48 | thegeek | I remeber the connector for the harddrive in the igp as slimmer than in those pictures |
| 01:08:33 | thegeek | http://www.mobilemag.com/content/images/1561_large.jpg |
| 01:08:33 | thegeek | there |
| 01:08:35 | thegeek | that's it |
| 01:08:57 | webguest40 | hmm from the picture i took when i opened mine up i see a connector with 5 wires? |
| 01:09:05 | thegeek | yes |
| 01:09:07 | webguest40 | yes just like the mobilemag link |
| 01:09:08 | thegeek | that seems right |
| 01:09:16 | thegeek | I remember there beeing very few wires myself |
| 01:09:18 | thegeek | for a harddrive |
| 01:09:27 | rasher | Eh.. |
| 01:09:34 | * | stripwax_ wonders if a rb port to igp would really be 'that easy' |
| 01:09:40 | thegeek | hah |
| 01:09:42 | rasher | This FCC pdf looks like there are 5*4 wires |
| 01:09:43 | thegeek | why bother? |
| 01:09:53 | thegeek | I mean |
| 01:09:58 | thegeek | there are _extremely_ few users |
| 01:09:59 | thegeek | AND |
| 01:10:03 | thegeek | the few igp's left |
| 01:10:08 | thegeek | will probably die in the near future |
| 01:10:17 | thegeek | I dont think the harddrive is very durable |
| 01:10:31 | rasher | Hrm, not the same connector as that seagate |
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| 01:10:39 | thegeek | my brothers just died, I think it dropped from his bed.. that's like 30 cm's or so |
| 01:10:44 | thegeek | indeed rasher |
| 01:10:57 | thegeek | it's been 9 months since I took a look at the igp;) |
| 01:11:01 | rasher | But it's 20 wires, rather than 5 |
| 01:11:06 | thegeek | oh |
| 01:11:08 | thegeek | you sure? |
| 01:11:28 | thegeek | probably right |
| 01:11:55 | thegeek | but when I looked at the drive itself, the "wires" did _not_ look like they were seperated any more |
| 01:11:57 | webguest40 | well my shot shows 5 bands or 4 wires each |
| 01:12:02 | thegeek | oh well |
| 01:12:05 | thegeek | ;) |
| 01:12:06 | thegeek | hehe |
| 01:12:07 | webguest40 | 5 bands of* |
| 01:12:08 | thegeek | I give up |
| 01:12:32 | thegeek | they could be compatible then |
| 01:12:35 | thegeek | just different connectors |
| 01:12:39 | webguest40 | y |
| 01:12:43 | rasher | Sounds likely |
| 01:13:13 | thegeek | I remember checking out if the player could take an sd-card instead of a harddrive |
| 01:13:22 | webguest40 | hey thegeek whats gonna happen to your bros igp? :) |
| 01:13:22 | stripwax_ | v unlikely |
| 01:13:30 | thegeek | no idea webguest40 |
| 01:13:36 | rasher | "Please note, actual product may not be exactly as shown. Pictures are for guidance only." so they're telling me that the harddrive platter doesn't actually have a picture of a girl on it!? |
| 01:13:37 | thegeek | yes stripwax_ |
| 01:13:47 | thegeek | but it could perhaps do a cf+ card |
| 01:14:02 | stripwax_ | hey; does my name still have a silly underscore at the end of it? |
| 01:14:06 | thegeek | I know there are storage cards for cf+, for pocket pc's and stuff |
| 01:14:08 | * | stripwax_ hates using Trillian as in irc client |
| 01:14:11 | thegeek | yes stripwax_ |
| 01:14:12 | thegeek | ;) |
| 01:14:27 | webguest40 | hmm mine still works. since i paid about £95 for it a long time ago id rather source a cheaper but still working igp if i was to donate an igp to rb |
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| 01:16:46 | * | stripwax breathes a sigh of relief |
| 01:17:05 | stripwax | hang on.. is it *still* showing uping with an underscore on it? |
| 01:17:11 | webguest40 | nope |
| 01:17:14 | stripwax | phew |
| 01:17:26 | stripwax | (although it still is for me! but it isn't for you) |
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| 01:18:53 | webguest40 | hmm with any luck in a few days on ebay i should have won a igp for £13-14. still got a few days to mull over whether to put a bid in or not. i cant see anyone else getting the igp |
| 01:20:58 | webguest40 | hey did any of you hear about the 'ipod nano'? |
| 01:21:29 | rasher | Can't miss it. |
| 01:21:39 | webguest40 | http://www.misticriver.net/boards/showthread.php?t=28474 |
| 01:22:00 | webguest40 | looks nice but same old ipod photo underneath |
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| 01:24:54 | webguest40 | anybody here from the uk? |
| 01:25:11 | stripwax | webguest40 yeah, saw it on the news today. |
| 01:25:16 | stripwax | webguest03 - london |
| 01:25:41 | webguest40 | see the england match? |
| 01:26:01 | stripwax | only a bit, actually missed the goal. was it actually a good game (didn't look it) |
| 01:26:31 | webguest40 | no england played even worse than the sunday pub team |
| 01:26:36 | stripwax | heh |
| 01:26:40 | webguest40 | no one knew what they were doing |
| 01:27:28 | webguest40 | svenn doesnt care either way. if they sack him they still have to pay up the rest of the millions he is owed in his contract i think |
| 01:27:49 | webguest40 | money grabbing ba*****! |
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| 01:48:30 | pill | hahahaha |
| 01:48:37 | pill | i love the last commit :) |
| 01:50:26 | stripwax | gnight all |
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| 01:51:02 | Jason | Hi everyone |
| 01:51:38 | Jason | has anyone seen the stupid new iPod nano? |
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| 01:51:50 | ze | yep |
| 01:51:54 | ze | whats stupid about it? |
| 01:52:25 | Jason | it looks like a normal ipod that has shrunk in the washing machine |
| 01:52:31 | ze | yeah |
| 01:52:41 | Jason | the ipod mini range has been discontinued |
| 01:53:17 | rasher | pill: Someone didn't... |
| 01:53:39 | rasher | http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2005-09/0120.shtml |
| 01:54:04 | Jason | When customising the wps for iriver, is it possible for it to display "Now Playing" on the top like the iPod's wps? |
| 01:54:32 | rasher | Of course, just disable the statusbar |
| 01:55:02 | ]RowaN[ | ipod nano is hd based? |
| 01:55:07 | Jason | yea |
| 01:55:09 | rasher | No, flash. |
| 01:55:09 | ze | ]RowaN[: no, flash based |
| 01:55:09 | amiconn | rasher: Hmm, your list of additional genres seems to be different from wikipedia etc... |
| 01:55:12 | Jason | it comes in 2 or 4GB sizes |
| 01:55:19 | ze | 1 or 4G |
| 01:55:19 | ze | heh |
| 01:55:24 | ze | iirc |
| 01:55:34 | rasher | amiconn: Oh? Weird.. I nicked it from id3v2 (which in turns has it from id3lib I think) |
| 01:55:41 | rasher | I'll do some tests |
| 01:55:43 | pill | rasher: it's insane somebody actually reacted to that.. |
| 01:55:44 | amiconn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ID3v1#Genres |
| 01:55:50 | Jason | i wonder if a clock will be possible, or a way to record from the radio |
| 01:55:52 | Jason | fm tuner |
| 01:56:01 | rasher | amiconn: I guess Winamp is the "reference"? |
| 01:56:38 | rasher | pill: I don't get it either (as witnessed by my reply) |
| 01:56:45 | ze | if i ever set genre's, i use id3 v2's text genre field and forget about any official number-based crap |
| 01:57:58 | amiconn | ze: Personally I don't care about the genre field at all |
| 01:58:01 | pill | oh hahahaha |
| 01:58:08 | pill | i didn't read your reply |
| 01:58:25 | pill | will he ever reply to that? :p |
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| 01:58:53 | rasher | Erp.. metal is there twice, what the.. |
| 01:59:13 | rasher | oh, I messed up |
| 01:59:21 | pill | uhoh |
| 01:59:33 | rasher | that should be "Heavy Metal" and "Black Metal" |
| 01:59:40 | rasher | I'll sort that once I've tested |
| 01:59:41 | pill | yeah |
| 01:59:45 | pill | typo |
| 01:59:47 | pill | typo |
| 01:59:49 | pill | booh! |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:02 | rasher | Well, faulty sed-expression really |
| 02:00:09 | pill | yes |
| 02:00:14 | pill | more like that |
| 02:00:29 | pill | hmm, wtf is negerpunk anyway? |
| 02:00:29 | amiconn | rasher: That's not the only one; you separated "Christian rock" into "Christian" and "Rock" |
| 02:00:41 | pill | did anyone ever tag a file that way? |
| 02:00:47 | rasher | I only have the last words of all of them :) |
| 02:00:53 | pill | oh |
| 02:01:50 | rasher | I'll fix them all, but first to make sure it's correctly ordered |
| 02:02:02 | amiconn | Who chose this silly 44100 Hz sample frequency as a standard???!! |
| 02:03:01 | pill | the japs |
| 02:03:21 | pill | the whole cdda standard is japanese |
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| 02:09:09 | ze | it was to fit 74 minutes on the cd's that were available at the time |
| 02:10:30 | amiconn | Yes, but why 44100? Why not 44000? |
| 02:10:58 | ze | heh |
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| 02:11:11 | rasher | because then it wouldn't be the double of 22050! |
| 02:11:25 | ze | yeah but was 22050 in use then? |
| 02:11:35 | rasher | I'm guessing no |
| 02:11:48 | rasher | It wasn't an actual argument |
| 02:11:49 | ze | i thought 22050 stemmed from being half of 44100 |
| 02:11:53 | ze | heh |
| 02:12:43 | amiconn | 44100 is an ugly number. Few possibilities to reduce ratios containing it... |
| 02:14:11 | ze | yeah |
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| 02:14:44 | ze | 44100 is just bad in general |
| 02:14:49 | rasher | amiconn: The order of the tags is correct. I just created a bunch of files like "goa.mp3 -> genre=goa" etc. |
| 02:14:54 | rasher | (using winamp) |
| 02:14:58 | rasher | And they all show up right |
| 02:15:06 | rasher | (apart from my screwup of course) |
| 02:16:15 | rasher | Oh.. there wasn't anything other than my screwup.. |
| 02:16:19 | rasher | I'll commit right away |
| 02:20:01 | rasher | Fixed. |
| 02:20:02 | pill | and no racism |
| 02:20:05 | pill | please |
| 02:20:06 | pill | kthx |
| 02:20:08 | pill | :) |
| 02:20:08 | pill | :p |
| 02:20:10 | rasher | :-X |
| 02:21:36 | pill | i wonder why that guy overreacted that way.. |
| 02:23:20 | rasher | I'm not even going to speculate. |
| 02:23:25 | pill | no |
| 02:23:41 | pill | he was probably trying to start a useless netwar |
| 02:23:52 | pill | the good, the bad, the pointless |
| 02:24:08 | pill | anyway nevermind |
| 02:26:17 | rasher | Not even the winamp forums seem to know what that genre is |
| 02:26:22 | pill | hehe |
| 02:26:48 | pill | it was probably a fantasy from someone at winamp |
| 02:26:49 | rasher | Although some guy is claiming that Winamp is going to get sued over it |
| 02:26:54 | pill | ? |
| 02:27:00 | rasher | http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=a4be52f91acf2ecb15ee08f9cda93dcf&threadid=23431&highlight=negerpunk |
| 02:27:10 | rasher | Ah, welcome to my phpsession. |
| 02:27:25 | pill | haha |
| 02:27:31 | rasher | http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=23431 should do |
| 02:27:35 | pill | that's why the swede reacted that way |
| 02:27:51 | pill | first link worked |
| 02:27:52 | rasher | oh yes, I knew that, but still... |
| 02:28:06 | pill | well |
| 02:28:33 | rasher | My reaction would have been the same if it had used the "other word" |
| 02:28:41 | pill | winamp added weird genres, and no sue will ever lead to anything.. |
| 02:29:27 | rasher | Uh-oh.. it's mentioned in the commit-mail again. |
| 02:29:57 | pill | really? |
| 02:29:59 | pill | woah$ |
| 02:30:12 | pill | can you paste? |
| 02:30:15 | rasher | Well I changed the line with it |
| 02:30:21 | rasher | So the diff shows it |
| 02:30:27 | pill | ah |
| 02:30:57 | rasher | I like how he just goes "that word" and expects that everyone knows what he's talking about |
| 02:31:04 | rasher | Because heaven forbid he should actually quote it |
| 02:31:22 | rasher | Erm. I'll shut up now before I step on more toes. |
| 02:31:48 | pill | anyway, thanks for the fix |
| 02:31:56 | pill | i'll try it tomorrow morning |
| 02:32:23 | rasher | It works as advertised |
| 02:32:43 | pill | no astually |
| 02:32:45 | pill | i'll try it nowx |
| 02:33:29 | rasher | Grab a bleeding edge build and knock yourself out |
| 02:34:35 | pill | yeah hold |
| 02:35:06 | pill | and after that bedtime |
| 02:39:17 | rasher | Strange that noone had bumped into that problem before |
| 02:40:41 | pill | :) |
| 02:40:49 | pill | that's why i came into play :p |
| 02:41:51 | pill | perfect |
| 02:41:53 | pill | it works |
| 02:42:04 | rasher | Good |
| 02:42:20 | pill | thanks a bunch man |
| 02:42:33 | pill | i noticed this problem while on vacation |
| 02:42:35 | pill | and i was like |
| 02:42:46 | pill | "i should tell them" |
| 02:42:52 | pill | oh well |
| 02:42:59 | pill | i'm glad you sorted this out |
| 02:43:08 | pill | i need to be able to commit |
| 02:43:54 | pill | anyway, sleep well, and dont worry about that twisted "negerpunk" genre ;) |
| 02:44:02 | pill | thanks again |
| 02:44:06 | pill | gnight |
| 02:44:16 | rasher | You're welcome, night |
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| 06:08:59 | wacky | seen austriancoder |
| 06:09:04 | wacky | !seen austriancoder |
| 06:09:19 | wacky | hey, where are your old cheap irc scripts ? |
| 06:13:29 | wacky | Just bought an iAudio X5, and I'd be *very* pleased to see a Rockbox port happening.. |
| 06:14:07 | wacky | I can't stand those horrible firmwares anymore, neither iRiver's or iAudio's :) and since I broke my H120's LCD.. I must just wait! |
| 06:14:11 | wacky | see you guys |
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| 06:48:04 | * | LinusN listens to christian negerpunk |
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| 07:11:23 | kurzhaarrocker | Christian Negerpunk? Isn't that offensive? That name for a music style must have been invented by the ku klux clan. Only they wouldn't listen to it. |
| 07:12:51 | LinusN | :-) |
| 07:13:20 | LinusN | negergangsta |
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| 07:35:37 | amiconn | mmorning |
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| 07:45:14 | LinusN | morning amiconn |
| 07:45:55 | amiconn | LinusN: I'd rather not have had a look at the frame size/length calculation :/ |
| 07:46:24 | amiconn | Our code isn't correct for a number of cases |
| 07:47:22 | amiconn | ...and I still don't have a proper soltion for the accuracy problem with 44100/22050/11025 Hz |
| 07:47:55 | amiconn | ...without 64bit arithmetics, that is |
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| 07:49:44 | amiconn | (1) mp3headerinfo() is wrong about the frame size of version 2 / version 2.5 with layer 1 and layer 2 |
| 07:49:58 | LinusN | (1) oops :-) |
| 07:50:08 | amiconn | (2) layer 1 frame size isn't accurate for _any_ frequency |
| 07:50:29 | LinusN | (2) Oops again |
| 07:51:30 | amiconn | The thing with (1) is that the number of samples / frame is halved for version 2/2.5 with layer 3, which the code correctly accounts for. |
| 07:51:43 | amiconn | But for layer 1 and 2 this half-size rule is wrong |
| 07:52:30 | LinusN | aha |
| 07:52:34 | amiconn | (2) results from the fact that the layer 1 frame size granularity is 4 byte, while for layer 2 and 3 it is 1 byte |
| 07:52:46 | amiconn | This also applies to the padding |
| 07:52:56 | LinusN | aha |
| 07:54:26 | amiconn | I'm working on a replacement for this function, but I'm still undecided about the length calculation ... |
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| 07:59:20 | amiconn | LinusN: The thing is whether we should account for possible overflows in rather theoretical constellations. I begin to think I should just ignore this... |
| 07:59:36 | LinusN | do so |
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| 08:04:12 | amiconn | The constellation where the overflow would occur first would be a mpeg version 2, 22050 Hz (or version 2.5, 11025 Hz) (!) file with layer 1 (!!) at 8 kbps (!!!). The filetime calculation would overflow for files >~ 40 hours... |
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| 08:06:18 | LinusN | kind of extreme :-) |
| 08:08:19 | amiconn | Ble, I'm wrong |
| 08:08:32 | amiconn | Layer 1 has a higher minimum bitrate... |
| 08:09:13 | amiconn | ...so the problem is even more theoretical |
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| 08:39:59 | amiconn | LinusN: Yesterday I did another >12 hour test recording (same settings as the other day, but splitting at 1 hour intervals) |
| 08:40:07 | amiconn | No single error... |
| 08:40:14 | LinusN | wonderful |
| 08:40:45 | amiconn | THere's still the problem with bitshifted frame data when recording from s/pdif... |
| 08:42:02 | LinusN | i guess there's nothing we can do about that |
| 08:49:39 | amiconn | Maybe we can... but that requires more experimentation, so it's a post-2.5 project for me |
| 08:58:33 | amiconn | We can prevent the MAS from delivering shifted frame data... but we can probably stop it doing so when detecting it |
| 08:58:43 | amiconn | *We can't... |
| 08:59:13 | amiconn | I bet it correlates with s/pdif parity errors... |
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| 09:09:20 | LinusN | amiconn: probably |
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| 09:16:20 | GaNgSta69 | hey ne1 on |
| 09:19:34 | * | LinusN doesn't see the "ne1 on" nick |
| 09:19:46 | B4gder | /whois ne1 |
| 09:19:51 | B4gder | oops ;-) |
| 09:19:51 | GaNgSta69 | shhh... lol |
| 09:20:13 | GaNgSta69 | i was just comin 2 say.. massive fan of this shit for my h140. |
| 09:20:15 | GaNgSta69 | butttt |
| 09:20:46 | GaNgSta69 | the volume is low compared to the original .. just askin if there was a way to make it louder or anyhtin like that |
| 09:20:57 | B4gder | lower the bass and treble |
| 09:21:15 | GaNgSta69 | alrite. il try now |
| 09:21:33 | B4gder | the original firmware lowers them itself when you increase the volume |
| 09:22:01 | GaNgSta69 | to zero u think if im on full vol |
| 09:22:31 | GaNgSta69 | wayyy louder.. thanku |
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| 10:00:26 | * | HCl agrees with B4gder, but still thinks that a person getting so upset over a term thats not even meant in a racist way is something they really need to work on |
| 10:00:40 | B4gder | yes |
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| 10:19:30 | LinusN | man, tinyurl is such a silly concept |
| 10:19:41 | Zagor | very |
| 10:20:52 | ze | i think its implimentation missed its actual usefulness by a few years or so |
| 10:21:16 | ze | and even at that, isn't what would've been ideal |
| 10:23:14 | LinusN | it's just so annoying, having no idea where the url will take me |
| 10:23:48 | ze | right, thats what i mean by not being ideal.. just because its shortening the url doesn't mean it necessarily has to remove all information about where it goes |
| 10:24:40 | * | LinusN googles for "negerpunk" |
| 10:25:19 | B4gder | that is an insanely weird genre |
| 10:25:47 | HCl | like christian gangsta rap isn't o.o; |
| 10:25:53 | B4gder | hehe |
| 10:26:14 | B4gder | I wish they would announce the name of the ones who made that list up for public redicule |
| 10:26:33 | B4gder | :-P |
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| 10:32:54 | LinusN | found it!!! |
| 10:32:56 | LinusN | http://www.mp3int.com/eng/download_mp3/162819/7213805/Separate_S-e-p-a-r-a-t-e/ |
| 10:33:25 | Zagor | ??? |
| 10:33:27 | LinusN | Genre :Negerpunk |
| 10:33:31 | Zagor | ah |
| 10:33:52 | Zagor | lovely web site... |
| 10:34:37 | LinusN | now this is fun: http://www.digital-inn.de/showthread.php?p=856 |
| 10:35:03 | Zagor | haha |
| 10:35:16 | LinusN | of all genres... |
| 10:35:35 | solex_ | http://www.royalbunker.de/ is quite special, too |
| 10:36:33 | LinusN | lol |
| 10:36:54 | solex_ | damn, there's no english word for "pöbeln" |
| 10:37:09 | B4gder | mob perhaps |
| 10:38:12 | LinusN | in a few days, rockbox.org will make it to the top-10 in google for "negerpunk" |
| 10:38:15 | solex_ | it's a verb :) |
| 10:47:47 | LinusN | http://www.bandiscographie.de/tibblekoeren/_47568_vara-mest-aelskade-julsanger.html |
| 10:48:35 | Zagor | that's a fine example of negerpunk |
| 10:48:43 | LinusN | indeed |
| 10:49:45 | Zagor | I doubt there's anyone actually claiming there's a real genre called that. especially since it's a swedish (or at least non-english) word in the middle of all the english genre name. |
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| 10:50:56 | LinusN | from a no-longer-cached page, "The st louis punk page": |
| 10:50:59 | LinusN | "also, download and rate Fight brain damage, it's an energetic form of negerpunk" |
| 10:51:39 | Zagor | weird |
| 10:51:44 | B4gder | now who would download a brain damage? ;-P |
| 10:51:57 | B4gder | oh, *fight* brain damage |
| 10:52:01 | * | B4gder grins |
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| 11:08:26 | LinusN | lunch time |
| 11:14:45 | ashridah | i can't believe someone got riled up over genre tags |
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| 11:39:57 | HCl | :p |
| 11:46:47 | Zagor | if anyone wants some headscratchning, help me crack this perl/utf8 double-encoding problem: http://bjorn.haxx.se/strftest.pl |
| 11:48:45 | Zagor | haah, cracked it. just goes to show pasting is good for the brain. :-D |
| 11:49:13 | HCl | :P |
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| 12:59:10 | ]RowaN[ | guys the "Scroll Speed Setting Example" bit of text doesnt actually scroll if you're using a font thin enough to fit it all on the screen |
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| 13:01:36 | ]RowaN[ | wow flac working good now =] |
| 13:15:37 | CoCoLUS | why -should- it even scroll if it fits on the screen? |
| 13:18:15 | crwl | to make a usable example? |
| 13:18:17 | crwl | an |
| 13:27:09 | ]RowaN[ | thats what im saying.. make it longer so it does scroll, otherwise its a useless example |
| 13:27:38 | CoCoLUS | the user sets the font, doesn't he? |
| 13:28:10 | ]RowaN[ | whats that got to do with the price of cheese |
| 13:29:29 | ]RowaN[ | rockfont-8 is thin enough that it fits on 1 line and doesnt scroll, so im not talking about any obscure fonts here |
| 13:32:11 | CoCoLUS | you know, that saying goes "with todays's milk price" :P |
| 13:35:30 | ]RowaN[ | i used my imagination, creatively |
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| 14:08:01 | preglow | nice little controversy on the mailing list |
| 14:08:59 | LinusN | hehe |
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| 14:27:13 | tucoz | Regarding the scroll speed setting example not scrolling. Why not just change it to "Scroll Speed Setting Example Text", just like the step size |
| 14:27:52 | tucoz | Or have it showing different strings for different sized fonts |
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| 14:32:48 | tucoz | Anyways, it has to be > 32 chars to actually scroll while using the tiniest fonts. |
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| 14:40:36 | ]RowaN[ | cant the line just be set (forced) to scroll, so you dont have to worry about accomodating for character sizes in different fonts |
| 14:40:54 | Zagor | no, lines don't scroll if they don't have to |
| 14:41:22 | tucoz | Or just change it to the standard example "The red fox..." |
| 14:41:30 | tucoz | ..or something like that |
| 14:41:44 | tucoz | Then, all examples can use the same font |
| 14:41:52 | tucoz | erm, not font, string |
| 14:43:37 | Zagor | yes, the test string simply needs to be extended |
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| 14:47:23 | ]RowaN[ | just double whats there already perhaps, repeat the line i mean |
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| 15:12:57 | tucoz | amiconn: are you here? I just wonder whether one of the shades of gray flicker for you when running the mandelbrot-plugin. |
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| 15:14:17 | tucoz | If not, then I guess there are minor differences in the h1x0 series. |
| 15:15:43 | preglow | well, there probably are |
| 15:16:12 | tucoz | I guess, does the shades flicker for you as well preglow? |
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| 15:49:46 | preglow | Slasheri: around? |
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| 16:39:57 | HCl | [16:08] muesli: please give that link linus http://www.hifiaktiv.at/diverses/testfrequenzen.htm maybe it will help him in any way |
| 16:42:59 | HCl | that svante person just won't stop, will he |
| 16:43:13 | HCl | at least in one of his emails he acknowledged it to be his own shortcomings |
| 16:45:42 | Febs | It's a ridiculous argument. I'm firmly opposed to racism, but I don't see how pretending words don't exist will help anything. |
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| 19:14:02 | HCl | Febs: not just that, he used racism himself, heh. |
| 19:14:27 | HCl | his arguments are just totally not valid.. |
| 19:16:12 | Febs | On a happy subject, there's a nice review of Rockbox on dapreview: http://www.dapreview.net/content.php?review.221 |
| 19:16:18 | Febs | ^^happier |
| 19:19:48 | CoCoLUS | "Database creation is not really implemented." |
| 19:19:57 | CoCoLUS | seems like someone didn't read the wiki |
| 19:21:57 | Febs | Right. I also found it a little disappointing that they linked to the installation guide on MR instead of the one on the wiki that I spent a long time writing, but what can you do? |
| 19:22:15 | Febs | It's still a very favorable write-up. |
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| 19:53:43 | solex_ | Am I the first one to wish for a 'clear playlist' function? |
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| 19:55:22 | solex | It would be great if you could clear the list, while the current track continues to play |
| 19:55:43 | solex | and when the track is over, Rockbox should start with the first item in the new list |
| 19:56:09 | solex | oh forget it, sound like a new feature. |
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| 21:24:16 | pill | woah |
| 21:25:58 | pill | i wouldn't have thought that id3 >125 patch would lead into a pointless arguing about racism and tolerance. |
| 21:26:15 | pill | that is plain insane. |
| 21:31:12 | pill | i think this guy didn't play gta:sa a single minute. |
| 21:31:29 | pill | or he would have died instantly. |
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| 21:38:16 | amiconn | Bleh. File playtime calculation for cbr mp2/mp3 is also imprecise :( |
| 21:38:34 | amiconn | ...even more than vbr |
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| 21:39:20 | HCl | solex: no no, put the request on the requesttracker |
| 21:39:41 | HCl | even if there is a feature freeze, its still good to make suggestions, though they cannot be implemented at the time, they might in the future |
| 21:40:16 | HCl | XD |
| 21:40:20 | HCl | rockbox a political project? |
| 21:40:22 | HCl | XD |
| 21:40:23 | HCl | lmao. |
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| 21:57:20 | ]RowaN[ | i cant wait for the day when you dont need a degree in nuclear physics in order to add replay gain to your music collection without butchering the existing tags |
| 21:57:26 | ]RowaN[ | can't wait! |
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| 22:04:26 | webguest60 | RowaN: why do you have differences between your "v1 and v2" tags?, if your music is tagged correcly in the first place its a no brainer |
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| 22:07:16 | webguest60 | applying Replay Gain with Fooar is a no brainer IF your music is tagged correctly. |
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| 22:12:23 | solex_ | d |
| 22:12:35 | solex_ | sorry |
| 22:14:38 | ]RowaN[ | differences? because id3v2 doesnt fit into id3v1 |
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| 22:18:53 | ]RowaN[ | ah the latest beta has some more options, lets see |
| 22:22:54 | ]RowaN[ | still buggered, insists on overwriting v1 tags with v2 tags |
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| 22:24:51 | preglow | Slasheri, linuxstb: i take it none of you actually started on a wav writing scheme? |
| 22:25:30 | linuxstb | No, not me. |
| 22:26:58 | ]RowaN[ | and the "properties" of a track doesnt even tell you if the replaygain is in id3v2 or ape or what |
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| 22:28:42 | linuxstb | preglow: I'm interested in using the EMAC in my ALAC decoder - do you have any pointers to documentation (apart from your source)? |
| 22:29:25 | linuxstb | I'm upset that FLAC is now beating it... :) |
| 22:33:04 | preglow | haha |
| 22:33:12 | preglow | itll be easy to beat |
| 22:33:27 | preglow | the filter loop will probably be the only place where you can benefit from it |
| 22:33:45 | preglow | the things you should be looking to optimise, are thing on the form a += b |
| 22:33:52 | preglow | a += b*c |
| 22:34:01 | preglow | where b*c might easily be a 64 bit multiplication |
| 22:35:14 | preglow | b*c might also easily be emac optimisable if its a 64 bit multiplication, but pure 32 bit muls without an additional add will not be faster with emac |
| 22:35:45 | preglow | what ive optimised in libflac is just a very long mul and add chain, where the muls are 32 bit |
| 22:35:51 | preglow | all the other codecs use 64 bit muls |
| 22:43:10 | linuxstb | The calculations I'm looking at in ALAC are of the form (a1-b)*c1+(a2-b)*c2+... etc where a and b are 32-bit and c is 16-bit. The result is stored in a 32-bit variable. |
| 22:44:15 | linuxstb | Any idea if that would benefit very much from an ASM routine? |
| 22:48:42 | preglow | yes, i think it would |
| 22:48:48 | preglow | could you give me a line number and a file name? |
| 22:48:52 | preglow | in the alac distro |
| 22:51:33 | linuxstb | I've already started optimising the common cases in C, but the general case of the main loop I'm looking at is line 467 of alac.c |
| 22:51:48 | linuxstb | (in the original distribution) |
| 22:52:52 | preglow | well, yes |
| 22:53:00 | preglow | this is exactly the part of flac i have optimised |
| 22:53:07 | linuxstb | That's what I thought. |
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| 22:53:14 | preglow | the fir filter loop |
| 22:54:25 | preglow | so |
| 22:54:44 | preglow | its clear from the implementation, this is a 32 bit mul |
| 22:54:50 | preglow | so you can use the emac unit in integer mode |
| 22:54:55 | preglow | like ive done for flac |
| 22:55:56 | linuxstb | The general cases (the author of the ALAC decoder seems to think these are the only cases) are 4 and 8 order cases. |
| 22:56:46 | linuxstb | When you say "32 bit mul" do you mean that the result is 32 bits? |
| 22:56:53 | preglow | yes |
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| 23:02:02 | linuxstb | I don't know if you read it in the logs, but I managed to get libfaad2 compiling (sort of) in Rockbox. It gave me lots of ICE errors with gcc which I had to hack around. But I haven't got as far as trying to implement a codec yet. |
| 23:03:29 | preglow | hmm |
| 23:03:37 | preglow | any nasty hacks? |
| 23:03:55 | preglow | filed any bug reports to the gcc people? |
| 23:05:04 | linuxstb | No, I don't think they are very nasty. In fact, most of the problems were caused by the source mixing signed and unsigned variables in the same calculation. Changing the variables to the same type fixed the problem. |
| 23:05:21 | preglow | strange, still |
| 23:05:36 | linuxstb | No, I haven't reported any bugs - any idea how actively maintained the m68k parts of gcc are? |
| 23:07:32 | linuxstb | One thing I noticed is that integer-only mode doesn't support "MAIN profile AAC". But I have no idea what that means, or if it's a problem. I also haven't finished getting the SSR profile decoder working. But again, I don't know anything about AAC, so I don't know if that's an issue either. |
| 23:08:53 | preglow | hmm |
| 23:08:59 | preglow | i think most things use the light profile |
| 23:09:05 | preglow | dont remember what its called |
| 23:09:16 | preglow | i dont think theyre very actively maintained |
| 23:09:18 | linuxstb | Correction: Fixed-point mode doesn't support MAIN or SSR profiles - it's not an ICE problem that SSR isn't included. |
| 23:10:02 | preglow | what is ssr? |
| 23:10:56 | linuxstb | No idea - just one of the many AAC profiles: MAIN, SSR, LTP and LD |
| 23:11:43 | linuxstb | And PS. |
| 23:14:10 | preglow | lc is the common one, i believe |
| 23:15:50 | linuxstb | I need to write a simple decoder (running on my PC) using libfaad2 - so I'll be able to do some tests then. But I don't have very many AAC files. |
| 23:16:08 | preglow | still, lovely work |
| 23:16:24 | preglow | i wanted to get libfaad2 working myself, but probably would have given up when i hit the ice problems, heh |
| 23:16:51 | preglow | aac files are easily produced with free encoders |
| 23:16:52 | linuxstb | I'm not sure how motivated I am, but it's the major missing codec from Rockbox at the moment. |
| 23:17:11 | preglow | well, thats more or less why i wanted to as well |
| 23:17:22 | preglow | ive never used aac, so thats not why |
| 23:18:50 | preglow | seems lc and main are the most used, yes |
| 23:18:53 | preglow | ssr is a streaming thing |
| 23:19:22 | preglow | that is, mostly used with streaming, since it allows some bitrate/samplerate adjustments to be done on the fly |
| 23:21:28 | linuxstb | My only hesitation about using AAC myself is that it seems to be even worse than MP3 when it comes to gapless. |
| 23:22:50 | preglow | a really embarassing fact, if you ask me |
| 23:23:08 | preglow | my only hesitation is that its even more heavy patented than mp3, heh |
| 23:23:12 | preglow | sticking to oggs |
| 23:23:24 | linuxstb | That's very true. |
| 23:24:04 | preglow | but yeah |
| 23:24:08 | preglow | lc is the most used profile |
| 23:24:26 | preglow | did anything happen about the faad2 license thing? |
| 23:24:37 | linuxstb | I do have a slight hesitation about adding ALAC to Rockbox - but as far as I know, Apple hasn't complained to the person who reverse-engineered the decoder. |
| 23:24:54 | preglow | well, do they have any reason to do so? |
| 23:24:57 | linuxstb | I haven't found anything more about the license, so I don't know. |
| 23:24:58 | preglow | they cant possibly win a case |
| 23:25:09 | preglow | reverseengineering is legal |
| 23:25:40 | linuxstb | The only problem could be patents - but ALAC doesn't seem to do anything new from the comments I've read about it. |
| 23:25:46 | preglow | oh, no |
| 23:25:54 | preglow | from what ive read, its perfectly standard |
| 23:26:03 | preglow | adaptive fir and rice-like coding |
| 23:26:52 | preglow | but if youre worried about that, i dont see why youre adding aac |
| 23:26:59 | preglow | which is ridden with patents |
| 23:27:19 | linuxstb | True :) |
| 23:27:58 | preglow | i say we just ignoreit |
| 23:28:13 | preglow | if someone complains and have a good case, we just remove it |
| 23:28:36 | linuxstb | That would be a strong argument for making codec plugins completely independent from the core. |
| 23:28:41 | preglow | indeed |
| 23:29:01 | preglow | id really love to see that happen |
| 23:29:04 | preglow | and i expect it will, some day |
| 23:29:12 | preglow | but i need to go now |
| 23:29:18 | preglow | see you later |
| 23:29:32 | linuxstb | I'm not convinced - Rockbox is an audio firmware - what else is left if you take out the audio code. |
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| 23:29:38 | preglow | if youre wondering about doing the emac opt, i recommend you look at my flac opt |
| 23:29:42 | preglow | its pretty similar |
| 23:29:50 | preglow | ill love to help out when im back |
| 23:29:55 | linuxstb | That would have been my starting point. |
| 23:30:01 | linuxstb | How long are you away for? |
| 23:30:05 | preglow | couple of days more |
| 23:30:22 | linuxstb | Have fun. |
| 23:30:26 | preglow | yup, will, bye |
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| 23:35:50 | rasher | :-X |
| 23:35:59 | rasher | Troublemaker aboard. |
| 23:42:53 | Febs | I'll bet you didn't expect that tirade to result from adding genres, did you? |
| 23:43:30 | pill | hey rasher |
| 23:46:18 | t0mas | good night :) |
| 23:46:39 | t0mas | rasher: I almost felt the need to react to your discussion |
| 23:46:51 | t0mas | Negerpunk = valid dutch |
| 23:46:56 | t0mas | Neger = someone from africa |
| 23:47:04 | t0mas | punk = the punk music style |
| 23:47:26 | t0mas | negerpunk is a form of punk with a lot of rithm (mainly on african instruments) |
| 23:48:28 | Febs | That certainly doesn't sound very oppressive to me. |
| 23:49:38 | t0mas | indeed |
| 23:49:48 | t0mas | but neger is not like the english nigger.... |
| 23:49:51 | t0mas | it's not negative here |
| 23:50:18 | ]RowaN[ | i want negerpunk at my wedding |
| 23:50:20 | ]RowaN[ | and funeral |
| 23:50:28 | t0mas | ghehe |
| 23:50:42 | ]RowaN[ | negerpunk for everyone! |
| 23:50:46 | Febs | Is the term "negerpunk" of Dutch origin, or is it simply a term that happens to have a non-offensive meaning in Dutch? |
| 23:50:48 | * | ]RowaN[ goes back to coma |
| 23:52:03 | t0mas | Febs: don't know |
| 23:52:16 | t0mas | neger is a dutch word... and I don't know any other language using it |
| 23:53:22 | rasher | Danish has it, and I presume Swedish as well |
| 23:53:39 | coob | lots of european languages use neg* as their word for black... |
| 23:54:05 | rasher | For the past 10 years, its meaning has turned towards the english nigger. Not sure why. |
| 23:54:14 | rasher | Well, more.. 15 years probably |
| 23:54:15 | t0mas | ne·ger (de ~ (m.), ~s) |
| 23:54:15 | t0mas | 1 persoon behorend tot één van de zwarte rassen uit Afrika => nikker, roetmop |
| 23:54:28 | rasher | Before that, it was a perfectly neutral word |
| 23:54:32 | t0mas | in english: Person belonging to 1 of the black races in Africa |
| 23:54:55 | t0mas | but there is a link to nikker |
| 23:55:15 | t0mas | wich is linked as an alias for neger :X |
| 23:55:15 | t0mas | nik·ker (de ~ (m.), ~s) |
| 23:55:15 | t0mas | 1 [bel.] neger |
| 23:55:36 | Febs | Even so, pretending that the word doesn't exist doesn't alleviate any problem of racism. If anything, it validates the negative connotation. |
| 23:55:48 | t0mas | indeed |
| 23:55:51 | rasher | Febs: true |
| 23:55:57 | rasher | Makes sense, googling for "negerpunk" gave a lot of Dutch results |
| 23:56:06 | rasher | I guess there's a dutchman at nullsoft |
| 23:56:35 | rasher | Or someone who likes a band playing it. |
| 23:56:58 | rasher | You'll notice there's an entire genre devoted to Primus. Justin Frankel is apparently known to be a great fan of Primus. |
| 23:57:14 | ]RowaN[ | in rockbox theres "list by date" and "list by newest date" (iirc) .. is that equvalant to date created vs date modified or something else? |
| 23:57:19 | t0mas | last year... we had some guy in school... and someone said "marrokaan" to him... He asked why the other one said nasty things to him... reply? "Why? You think marrokaan is a nasty word? Who's the racist here?" |
| 23:57:31 | rasher | Haha |
| 23:57:49 | rasher | ]RowaN[: No, I think it's just by date, and by date reversed |
| 23:58:24 | ]RowaN[ | i think foobar redated all my files when attempting to replaygain them... I LOVE FOOBAR |
| 23:58:39 | rasher | Well, it should, really. |
| 23:58:58 | rasher | But it could be nice and offer an option not to |
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