| 00:00:07 | rasher | Oh.. well that's broken. |
| 00:00:22 | ]RowaN[ | dont quote me on any of this, im very drunk |
| 00:00:22 | t0mas | doesn't it create a new file? |
| 00:00:45 | t0mas | maybe there's some smart idea for creating all new files... to make it faster or something? |
| 00:00:57 | rasher | It should just edit the existing - or make it look that way |
| 00:01:04 | t0mas | it should yeah.... |
| 00:01:05 | rasher | if it creates a new file, it had better make it look like the old one |
| 00:01:10 | t0mas | ghehe |
| 00:01:12 | ]RowaN[ | well technically yes it creates a new file of course, but you're really just adding a tag to a file that was already there so the created date shurely shuouldnt change |
| 00:01:13 | * | t0mas doesn't use it |
| 00:01:19 | rasher | But then.. foobar makes baby jeebus cry. |
| 00:01:24 | t0mas | ghehe |
| 00:01:27 | t0mas | time to go to bed |
| 00:01:28 | t0mas | good night :) |
| 00:01:32 | rasher | night |
| 00:01:36 | ]RowaN[ | sweet dreams loveball |
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| 01:03:23 | wacky | hey everyone :) |
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| 01:17:06 | muesli- | morning |
| 01:17:27 | muesli- | who is jonas from rbx? |
| 01:19:39 | wacky | look in the wiki for nick references |
| 01:19:44 | wacky | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcNicks |
| 01:20:10 | muesli- | just say it right now instead of giving stupid remarks :p |
| 01:20:33 | wacky | doing stuff by yourself is nothing stupid |
| 01:21:44 | muesli- | giving stupid answers IS stupid |
| 01:24:08 | pill | hmm |
| 01:24:11 | wacky | oh well |
| 01:24:19 | pill | so much anger |
| 01:24:25 | wacky | does anyone have a compiled version of iriverter for Linux ? |
| 01:25:11 | ]RowaN[ | Fear leads to anger; anger leads to hate; hate leads to suffering |
| 01:25:26 | wacky | I can't get the thing to compile using java stuff.. my my my... I'm using a semi-200LE, semi-cooker Mandriva system.. and it's delicate to upgrade gcc and/or gcj |
| 01:25:38 | wacky | Amen! |
| 01:26:10 | ]RowaN[ | Fear is the path to the Dark Side |
| 01:26:15 | wacky | :P |
| 01:26:24 | wacky | who's on Linux here ? |
| 01:26:52 | wacky | or has iriverter installed somewhere ? |
| 01:29:35 | muesli- | ]RowaN[ dont take it seriously but it fits PERFECT ;-) http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/stfu6.jpg |
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| 01:31:43 | ]RowaN[ | im not clicking your links, i dont want an virus |
| 01:32:12 | muesli- | lol, but not bad either |
| 01:34:13 | muesli- | query mate ;) |
| 01:43:05 | muesli- | ]RowaN[ wimp, either your system is protected or you're incompetent to do it ^^ |
| 01:45:50 | ]RowaN[ | stay awake making more guesses |
| 01:49:46 | muesli- | no risk no fun ;) |
| 01:49:46 | muesli- | g'n8 m8s |
| 01:50:09 | ]RowaN[ | nite loveball |
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| 06:59:25 | ze | yay, this usb-storage driver for the karma works... i can now read data off the HD via usb |
| 07:00 |
| 07:00:51 | ze | (though its still very preliminary, no filesystem support outside of these special kls and kcat programs) |
| 07:01:04 | ze | and i've no idea about any write support |
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| 07:34:39 | amiconn | Good moirning |
| 07:36:29 | LinusN | morning |
| 07:40:08 | amiconn | I'm thinking about changing the button #defines |
| 07:40:49 | amiconn | ...mainly to get rid of the separate BUTTON_REMOTE, that already caused a number of problems |
| 07:41:45 | LinusN | aha |
| 07:42:08 | amiconn | I think a template like: SSRRRMMM (one letter per hext digit) would be good |
| 07:42:52 | amiconn | The top 5 bits are reserved for system events like now. The remaining 3 bits can be used for flags. |
| 07:43:11 | amiconn | Currently there are only 2 - BUTTON_REL and BUTTON_REPEAT |
| 07:43:28 | amiconn | Then we have 12 bits each for remote and main buttons |
| 07:47:27 | amiconn | On archos, the simple scheme with the BUTTON_REMOTE flag did work because of 2 properties of the archos remote button handling |
| 07:48:10 | amiconn | (1) The button driver never sends repeat or release events for the remote. |
| 07:49:25 | amiconn | (2) The remote button events are inserted between the main button events, not handled together with the main buttons |
| 07:50:06 | LinusN | right |
| 07:51:40 | amiconn | Hmm, I'm not sure whether a behaviour like (2) would be preferable on iriver too |
| 07:52:41 | amiconn | The advantage would be to have more button bits available for each main unit and remote (for a possible future many-button platform) |
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| 07:53:28 | amiconn | ...but the disadvantage is that it will get very difficult to check for button combos between one remote and one main unit button |
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| 08:03:16 | amiconn | LinusN: What do you think about the skip forward / back in repeat one mode issue brought up on the ml? |
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| 08:20:34 | LinusN | amiconn: i think it could very well skip to next/prev |
| 08:21:39 | amiconn | Yes, that's what I think too |
| 08:22:09 | amiconn | The playlist is laid out the same way as in other modes (repeat all / none etc) |
| 08:22:21 | amiconn | ...so it shouldn't be a big problem to implement this |
| 08:38:32 | LinusN | the problem is that the playlist only contains that one file |
| 08:38:41 | amiconn | No, it doesn't |
| 08:39:28 | LinusN | ok |
| 08:39:39 | LinusN | then it would be simple to fix |
| 08:39:49 | amiconn | If you start an arbitrary track in a dir, the playlist is built like in any other mode |
| 08:40:02 | LinusN | ok great |
| 08:40:22 | amiconn | It's only that the playback engine buffers the same track again and again |
| 08:43:48 | LinusN | hmmm, get_next_index() in playlist.c handles this |
| 08:44:41 | amiconn | I found a second precision problem in the playtime calculation. For cbr tracks with no info header, in addition to using the rounded-down frametime, the code derives the framecount from the filesize and the frame size |
| 08:44:43 | LinusN | but it seems the same function is used for both skip-to-next and repeat |
| 08:45:11 | amiconn | However, the frame size isn't constant in a cbr file, because there are padded and unpadded frames |
| 08:45:26 | amiconn | However, fixing this is simple |
| 08:45:31 | LinusN | how do you suggest we handle that? |
| 08:45:53 | amiconn | ...even without my rework of mp3headerinfo() |
| 08:46:06 | amiconn | I already did it, just need to test |
| 08:46:32 | amiconn | I used the bitrate, since the bitrate is always exact for cbr files |
| 08:46:48 | amiconn | filetime = filesize * 8 / bitrate |
| 08:47:07 | amiconn | Since our bitrate is in kbps, this automatically delivers milliseconds |
| 08:47:21 | amiconn | ...and the final formula looks a bit different: |
| 08:47:41 | amiconn | filetime = ((filesize - bytecount) / bitrate) * 8 |
| 08:48:47 | amiconn | Doing the *8 afterwards looses a bit of precision (max. 7 milliseconds), but avoids an overflow |
| 08:49:22 | LinusN | fair enough |
| 08:49:42 | amiconn | ...and the bytecount thing takes the tag size(s) into account |
| 08:50:25 | amiconn | For mpeg audio, we could use filetime = ((filesize - bytecount) / (bitrate / 8)) and it would be exact, because the mpeg bitrates are always multiples of 8, |
| 08:50:48 | amiconn | but that doesn't necessarily hold for other formats |
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| 09:05:42 | amiconn | LinusN: It seems to work, but I'll do some more tests on iriver too, to make sure I didn't overlook something (like a format not filling the bitrate field or such) before committing |
| 09:05:52 | LinusN | great |
| 09:06:33 | amiconn | I have a track that show 7:05 with the old code (on my v1) and 7:07 with new code (on my Ondio FM) |
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| 09:12:19 | amiconn | Blah. I think I can commit this right away, as this is mpeg audio only code (firmware/id3.c) |
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| 09:14:47 | poddan | hey people |
| 09:15:42 | B4gder | hi ho |
| 09:19:37 | B4gder | apps/database.c is a mess |
| 09:19:55 | B4gder | no comments and no return code checks |
| 09:20:27 | B4gder | "All these functions below are yet untested" |
| 09:20:34 | B4gder | is about the only comment |
| 09:20:52 | poddan | my recorder v1 is acting up :S |
| 09:21:06 | poddan | restarts when I push on a certain spot |
| 09:21:11 | poddan | just above the display |
| 09:21:19 | B4gder | common hw problem |
| 09:21:53 | poddan | one dude had the same problem, and linus told him to reheat the solder poitns |
| 09:22:38 | poddan | maybe i should try that too, but until then... |
| 09:24:18 | poddan | any other possible solutions? |
| 09:24:38 | B4gder | I'm not the proper guy to ask |
| 09:27:39 | B4gder | I love this: |
| 09:27:46 | B4gder | #define getrundbentrybyrecord(_y_,_x_) getrundbentrybyoffset(_y_,8+_x_*20) |
| 09:27:54 | B4gder | and then getrundbentrybyrecord() is used in the code |
| 09:27:58 | B4gder | no explanation |
| 09:31:03 | B4gder | I give up |
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| 09:37:16 | B4gder | http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2005/0908/nano21.jpg |
| 09:37:23 | B4gder | ipod nano - naked |
| 09:38:17 | B4gder | PP5021C |
| 09:38:34 | B4gder | http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2005/0908/nano19.jpg |
| 09:38:38 | CoCoLUS | nanobox? :) |
| 09:39:51 | B4gder | it seems ipodlinux doesn't run on it, yet |
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| 10:24:23 | amiconn | B4gder: What's so difficult to understand in the database code? I agree that it could be a bit more commented, but apart from that, all that I've seen seems pretty straightforward |
| 10:25:03 | B4gder | it is possible, yes |
| 10:25:16 | B4gder | but it is so much work to "fix" that it makes me loose interest |
| 10:26:10 | B4gder | I guess I'll have to do it anyway one day |
| 10:26:22 | amiconn | What do you want to fix? |
| 10:26:31 | B4gder | the lack of error checks for starters |
| 10:26:40 | B4gder | 2 the bad error messages |
| 10:26:56 | B4gder | the lack of comments/documentation |
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| 10:30:41 | B4gder | and I wanted to fix that zero crc means disabled |
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| 11:00:58 | amiconn | B4gder: The #define you mentioned is easy to understand when you read http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RuntimeDatabase#Data_Structures |
| 11:01:11 | B4gder | I figured it out too |
| 11:01:18 | B4gder | I still detest that kind of code |
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| 11:05:29 | * | preglow stares at the nude ipod nano |
| 11:06:22 | Zagor | so they do use the samsung flash |
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| 11:07:31 | Zagor | http://www.samsunghq.com/?topic_id=125 |
| 11:07:57 | Zagor | or http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050819_164307.html rather |
| 11:11:10 | B4gder | now why does our product only have 16MB flash... :-) |
| 11:11:18 | Zagor | :-) |
| 11:14:13 | B4gder | and why does our cpu have a broken A24? ;-P |
| 11:14:25 | preglow | haha |
| 11:14:47 | * | preglow begs for a ipod port |
| 11:15:30 | preglow | so, the nano has yet another portalplayer revision |
| 11:15:39 | B4gder | yes, looks like that |
| 11:16:01 | preglow | all these bloody revisions will be a major pain |
| 11:16:15 | preglow | but well have to face that anyway, somehow |
| 11:16:23 | preglow | like with iaudio having more iram than iriver |
| 11:18:25 | Zagor | well we can find out that in the datasheets. not so with the portalplayer versions... |
| 11:18:54 | preglow | indeed, but still, the ipodlinux guys have figured out much, so its not impossible |
| 11:19:10 | preglow | itll just be tons more work, heh |
| 11:19:10 | Zagor | agreed |
| 11:19:27 | preglow | theres also the two cores |
| 11:19:38 | preglow | i dont know how much work thatll be to embed into rockbow |
| 11:19:41 | preglow | rockbox, even |
| 11:19:49 | preglow | but id absolutely love for ipod to be a target |
| 11:21:42 | LinusN | development on ipod will probably be a really uphill struggle |
| 11:21:55 | LinusN | and a totally clueless user base |
| 11:22:03 | LinusN | not my idea of fun |
| 11:22:21 | Zagor | yeh, i was gonna say that. imagine the many strange questions we get now, and multiply by 100 |
| 11:22:52 | Zagor | still, we'd attract a fair amount of new developers too |
| 11:22:52 | preglow | i believe most ipod users will stick to apples firmware |
| 11:22:54 | LinusN | we tripled the cluelessness when we moved to iriver |
| 11:23:16 | LinusN | but moving to ipod will be 100x worse |
| 11:23:34 | preglow | what do you base that upon? |
| 11:23:46 | preglow | i think ipod users are far more satisfied with their firmware than iriver users was |
| 11:23:50 | Zagor | preglow: I believe many ipod users would flame us for doubting the supremacy of apple |
| 11:24:04 | LinusN | "pearls for swine" |
| 11:24:26 | preglow | remember, were not doing this for the apple users |
| 11:24:32 | preglow | were doing this to get a platform that is videly available |
| 11:24:42 | preglow | all of our current platforms are very hard to get |
| 11:24:46 | preglow | and then, only used |
| 11:24:58 | amiconn | preglow: That's not correct. |
| 11:25:04 | LinusN | imho, ipod users don't care about having a superior firmware |
| 11:25:10 | Zagor | we're not at all grumpy old men. not in the least... ;-) |
| 11:25:20 | preglow | LinusN: agreed |
| 11:25:21 | amiconn | I bougt an Ondio FM this month. New. Shrink-wrapped. |
| 11:25:28 | LinusN | then they wouldn't have bought an ipod in the first place |
| 11:25:46 | preglow | then im happy my point again is that were not doing this for the users |
| 11:26:48 | preglow | still, i agree itll be a tough port |
| 11:26:54 | LinusN | indeed |
| 11:27:12 | preglow | but the iriver port too required quite a bit work |
| 11:27:29 | CoCoLUS | past tense? |
| 11:28:07 | preglow | the biggest part of the work lies behind us, yes |
| 11:28:43 | CoCoLUS | depends on what you consider "work" - getting it to run or getting it to run so that misticriver-users won't complain |
| 11:28:54 | amiconn | The iriver playback engine still has many bugs and quirks... |
| 11:29:02 | preglow | indeed |
| 11:29:51 | LinusN | the iriver port has been pretty straightforward, since we have the data sheets |
| 11:29:53 | preglow | CoCoLUS: to me it doesnt exactly seem like we have catered exceptionally much to mr |
| 11:30:30 | preglow | LinusN: yes, and since ipodlinux works, id expect them to have the info thats needed anyway |
| 11:30:42 | preglow | not in a comprehensive source, of course... |
| 11:31:12 | amiconn | Is there an open-source tollchain available? |
| 11:31:23 | preglow | for arm, oh yes |
| 11:31:24 | amiconn | s/tollchain/toolchain/ |
| 11:31:25 | preglow | gcc does arm |
| 11:32:12 | Zagor | I would welcome an ipod port. I probably won't start working on one myself, though. |
| 11:32:14 | amiconn | Ah, yes. |
| 11:32:28 | amiconn | There are some different arm core versions I guess? |
| 11:32:36 | preglow | yes, but the arm core itself is the same |
| 11:32:42 | preglow | the portalplayer interface part isnt |
| 11:32:44 | amiconn | Are all of these supported by gcc and binutils? |
| 11:32:46 | Zagor | it's arm7 |
| 11:32:52 | preglow | but thats just a ifdef/define job |
| 11:33:02 | amiconn | Then we need to support dual-core. |
| 11:33:05 | preglow | yep |
| 11:33:12 | amiconn | I imagine this being not too difficult |
| 11:33:23 | preglow | me neither, but i have no concrete idea of how to do it either, heh |
| 11:33:51 | amiconn | Each core could have its own thread scheduler, and create_thread() would specify the core to use |
| 11:34:15 | preglow | at least the codec part will be easier, tons of codecs are already optimised for arm |
| 11:34:25 | preglow | like musepack, libmad, tremor |
| 11:34:30 | amiconn | This simple approach doesn't do load balancing, but it would be a simple solution |
| 11:34:57 | preglow | amiconn: i think dedicating one of the cores to the codecs, and the other to everything else will do |
| 11:35:00 | Zagor | I'd say load balancing stands to odds with power conservation |
| 11:35:22 | Zagor | preglow: me too |
| 11:36:03 | preglow | doing a proper scheduler will require a bit of work |
| 11:36:09 | amiconn | preglow: Yes, sounds like a good split. Still, having the same thread scheduler on both cores will probably ease porting |
| 11:36:09 | preglow | and its not needed |
| 11:36:19 | preglow | amiconn: agreed |
| 11:36:36 | preglow | but im needed elsewhere now |
| 11:36:39 | preglow | see you later |
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| 12:14:19 | muesli- | hi |
| 12:18:37 | Zagor | btw, have you seen this review of rockbox on iriver: http://www.dapreview.net/comment.php?comment.news.2126 |
| 12:23:26 | B4gder | nice one |
| 12:25:02 | Zagor | i like the rockbox screenshot. what game is that? |
| 12:25:12 | Zagor | rockboy |
| 12:25:25 | B4gder | no idea |
| 12:25:36 | B4gder | I've only seen rockboy once ;-) |
| 12:25:49 | muesli- | i had this game years ago |
| 12:26:04 | muesli- | was very kewl but cant remember the name either |
| 12:35:35 | B4gder | http://www.thinksecret.com/archives/nano/source/12.html |
| 12:35:37 | B4gder | :-) |
| 12:39:34 | Zagor | I love how the plastic screen protector film has "Don't steal music" printed on it. No more "Rip, Mix, Burn" eh? |
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| 12:41:06 | rasher | muesli-: You were looking for me last night? |
| 12:41:21 | muesli- | yeah, wrote you a pn |
| 12:41:34 | muesli- | check it please |
| 12:41:49 | rasher | A whatnow where what? |
| 12:42:56 | rasher | muesli-: We've gone over this in the mailinglist |
| 12:43:08 | muesli- | ok |
| 12:43:16 | rasher | I think i've said everything I have to say about it and then some, there. |
| 12:43:16 | muesli- | what does other think? |
| 12:43:20 | muesli- | the |
| 12:43:21 | muesli- | s |
| 12:44:01 | rasher | Well first of all, the genrename appears to come from Dutch, where it is not insulting at all |
| 12:44:23 | rasher | Second, a genrename is not insulting. Insults are insulting |
| 12:44:37 | rasher | We include the genres because that's what other implementations have. |
| 12:44:49 | rasher | And if we were to start picking and choosing, it'd never end |
| 12:45:20 | rasher | That's my personal opinion, but it seems that few people are arguing it. |
| 12:46:31 | rasher | If it's about my commit message, well it *IS* a stupid genrename |
| 12:46:56 | rasher | I reserve the right to make fun of the genrename-list |
| 12:47:16 | rasher | I'm surprised noone attacked me for making fun of Christians |
| 12:47:18 | B4gder | I thought the eac bug part was the most amusing |
| 12:47:28 | rasher | Oh, yeah |
| 12:47:30 | B4gder | which made it use 'negerpunk' for all songs |
| 12:47:44 | B4gder | which might be the reason why there now are many songs using it |
| 12:48:22 | rasher | Hm, sounds more like some developer thought it'd be amusing.. 133 is a pretty unlikely number to stuff in a tag |
| 12:48:37 | rasher | By accident. |
| 12:48:54 | muesli- | rasher making fun of christians is not nice either...i think even a firmware must be pc ;) |
| 12:49:07 | rasher | I wasn't, though, which is the whole point |
| 12:49:18 | rasher | I was just making fun of *the name of the genre* |
| 12:49:27 | B4gder | the names are hilariously silly |
| 12:49:29 | rasher | Which I think we could agree is humouroous |
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| 12:50:06 | rasher | And pc is synonymous to "over-the-top sensitive" if you ask me. |
| 12:50:31 | rasher | When someone's being rude or offensive, by all means strike down on him with great vengence |
| 12:50:51 | rasher | But to include *ALL USES* of some words in this list, is just silly |
| 12:50:55 | rasher | Context... CONTEXT DAMMIT |
| 12:51:02 | rasher | Also, intent. |
| 12:51:02 | muesli- | yeah, true too..but there are borders which shouldnt be broken ;) |
| 12:51:33 | Febs | Wow, when I left 12 hours ago, the exact same discussion was going on. |
| 12:52:11 | B4gder | hehe |
| 12:52:12 | rasher | Time to stop, then |
| 12:52:55 | muesli- | to be continued... |
| 12:53:01 | rasher | I'd hope not. |
| 12:53:57 | rasher | Someone get working on a Rockbox port to ipod nano |
| 12:54:04 | muesli- | ;) |
| 12:55:36 | muesli- | gotta go |
| 12:55:37 | muesli- | l8er |
| 12:55:52 | rasher | Bye |
| 12:56:21 | rasher | I do believe this is the first time I've been called an ignorant white asshole though.. that was surprising |
| 12:57:28 | rasher | .. there I go again. |
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| 13:02:35 | webguest79 | Rasher: people of colour are very sensitive to any innuendo, thats a given, one should ALWAYS ensure that public comments are sterile, to avoid these firestorms |
| 13:03:19 | B4gder | or use asbestos underwear! |
| 13:03:21 | B4gder | ;-) |
| 13:03:25 | webguest79 | hehe |
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| 13:29:05 | rasher | There was no innuendo. There were no hidden messages. It's just a silly genre. |
| 13:29:46 | rasher | The only thing I did was to use one of the words that are on the PC don't-list, which doesn't take into account things like intent or context. |
| 13:29:52 | rasher | I absolutely will not let that control what I say. |
| 13:30:33 | amiconn | Tsts, this entire genre 133 discussion is just silly, imho |
| 13:30:55 | rasher | Oh my, yes. |
| 13:31:10 | rasher | This should never even have been an issue. |
| 13:31:19 | rasher | We're simply following a de-facto standard. |
| 13:31:53 | amiconn | Btw, this word is written the exact same way in german |
| 13:32:15 | rasher | Seems like all north-germanic languages do this |
| 13:32:26 | rasher | with different connotations |
| 13:32:45 | rasher | It's not *that* bad a word in Denmark |
| 13:32:51 | rasher | More silly than anything else |
| 13:32:56 | rasher | Old-fashioned |
| 13:44:16 | Febs | I think that since Rockbox apparently has so much political power and political responsibility, we should start a campaign to re-name the country of Niger. |
| 13:44:24 | Febs | Just in case anyone is offended by the name. |
| 13:52:17 | rasher | My views on this whole PC deal are amiconn mostly unprintable. |
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| 13:57:34 | liliofof | hey all |
| 13:57:57 | B4gder | hola |
| 13:58:23 | liliofof | I have a question, and I hope it won't irritate you guyz |
| 13:59:29 | B4gder | shoot |
| 13:59:53 | liliofof | I own an av420, and I want to hack the font inorder to add Hebrew font support |
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| 14:00:09 | liliofof | back than I had FM Recorder, and I made the Hebrew font for RockBox project... |
| 14:01:29 | liliofof | ? |
| 14:01:48 | B4gder | is that a question? |
| 14:02:08 | B4gder | if so, I don't understand it |
| 14:02:30 | liliofof | mm.. yeah, I want to add Heberw font support, for the av420... can u guys help me ? |
| 14:02:47 | B4gder | very unlikely |
| 14:03:06 | B4gder | the font is probably built-in in their firmware |
| 14:03:13 | B4gder | you'd need to make some serious hack to change that |
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| 14:09:30 | rasher | liliofof: What kind of encoding was the hebrew font? I recently rebuilt it to be iso8859-8 |
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| 14:11:15 | rasher | Oops. |
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| 14:26:11 | liliofof | well |
| 14:28:10 | liliofof | iso-8859-8 |
| 14:28:27 | liliofof | rasher ? |
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| 14:30:44 | pixelim | rasher ? u there ? |
| 14:32:38 | rasher | Yes.. weird |
| 14:32:46 | pixelim | ? |
| 14:32:54 | rasher | There were all sorts of crazy characters that aren't in 8859-8 |
| 14:33:09 | rasher | like ö, í and other accented latin1 characters |
| 14:33:19 | pixelim | yeah.. |
| 14:33:38 | rasher | Maybe some convbdf changes have caused this to be a problem now |
| 14:34:48 | HCl | hmm. |
| 14:35:02 | HCl | i need to get around to testing and committing the improved database |
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| 16:50:49 | ]RowaN[ | guys is it possible to cover up/hide/remove the vol/battery/playmode icons at the top of the wps screen? |
| 16:52:25 | Zagor | yes, turn off the status bar |
| 16:56:15 | ]RowaN[ | oh, so thats the status bar |
| 16:56:44 | ]RowaN[ | and just out of interest, who and why was the pointer cursor reinstroduced, and why is it default over the IMHO superior visibility inverse bar |
| 16:57:59 | ]RowaN[ | yey byebye status bar |
| 16:58:19 | ]RowaN[ | time to waste some time further perfecting my wps now =] |
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| 17:00:49 | Zagor | it was reintroduced by popular demand. why it's default I can't say. probably simply historical reasons. |
| 17:01:17 | ]RowaN[ | who are these popular demanders.. show yourselves! =p |
| 17:03:12 | Hans|DiePARTEI | look at the forum |
| 17:03:16 | Hans|DiePARTEI | there is poll |
| 17:04:03 | Hans|DiePARTEI | put "popular demand" looks different for me, the inverser bar hat around 90% i think |
| 17:04:57 | Hans|DiePARTEI | btw, is there a chance to so a patch in the near future that i can switch back to the previous folder on the While playing screen? |
| 17:05:06 | Hans|DiePARTEI | -so +see |
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| 17:06:24 | ]RowaN[ | check out the cute 4 colour battery level indicators from my old iriver firmware www.ibrand.co.uk/33.gif .. it will be cool when rockbox wps supports 4 colour |
| 17:07:14 | Zagor | Hansmaulwurf: switch back to the previous folder? |
| 17:07:53 | Hansmaulwurf | yes, for example: i start playing music with "move to next folder" ON |
| 17:08:15 | Hansmaulwurf | after some time rockbox switch to the next folder, which it should do |
| 17:08:26 | Zagor | no it shouldn't :-) |
| 17:08:32 | Hansmaulwurf | but form there, i cant go back to the previous folder |
| 17:08:44 | Hansmaulwurf | only to the first song in the current folder |
| 17:08:47 | Hansmaulwurf | that sucks a bit |
| 17:09:01 | Zagor | well the thing is that is a cludge. rockbox plays playlists. |
| 17:09:09 | Hansmaulwurf | yes i know |
| 17:09:45 | Zagor | so if you just make a playlist, you can go back to previous folder |
| 17:10:24 | Hansmaulwurf | hm |
| 17:10:59 | Hansmaulwurf | thats not a good solution imho ;) |
| 17:11:17 | Zagor | that's just because you are used to something that is not rockbox |
| 17:11:28 | Hansmaulwurf | thats right! :P |
| 17:11:57 | Hansmaulwurf | i am used to the remote LCD too |
| 17:12:03 | Hansmaulwurf | ;) |
| 17:12:05 | Zagor | yeah well that will happen |
| 17:14:37 | * | amiconn 's iriver remote is gathering dust somewhere |
| 17:14:43 | Febs | This Svante guy on the mailing list is really getting to be annoying. |
| 17:17:35 | Febs | How can someone claim to be a defender of racial harmony and yet attack a bunch of strangers simply because they have a different viewpoint? |
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| 17:31:06 | wacky | hey guys, do you know if austriancoder is in vacation ? |
| 17:34:35 | wacky | weeheeee! Let's go let's go boys. You're doing great job :) We all appreciate it! |
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| 17:35:05 | ]RowaN[ | where is song rating stored? i.e. in tags in the music files or seperatly in a database? |
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| 17:35:10 | ]RowaN[ | and how do u rate a song |
| 17:36:37 | Zagor | separately |
| 17:39:03 | ]RowaN[ | hmm bass & treble support for the wps would be cool |
| 17:40:42 | Zagor | you mean tags showing the level? |
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| 17:47:21 | ]RowaN[ | yep |
| 17:47:30 | ]RowaN[ | with a conditional for respective images |
| 17:47:35 | ]RowaN[ | bbl |
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| 17:48:16 | rasher | I have an idea for a "solution" to the move to next folder thing... How about it just *appends* the next folder to the playlist, instead of replacing it? |
| 17:48:50 | rasher | That makes more sense to me |
| 17:48:57 | rasher | "I see you're running out of songs, let me add some more!" |
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| 17:53:46 | rasher | Well, I call godwin's law on Svante. |
| 17:55:40 | rasher | I am also reminded of this failure: http://www.adversity.net/special/niggardly.htm |
| 17:56:29 | Febs | rasher, good call on Godwin's law. Svante is one e-mail away from my killfile. |
| 17:57:19 | rasher | I won't go that far. He seems to have been sensible enough in other threads. |
| 17:57:28 | rasher | I guess I'll just stop following that thread at some point |
| 17:57:35 | rasher | If he keeps up, anyway |
| 17:58:27 | Febs | Maybe that's the better option. I could just craft a rule to delete e-mails in that thread. I shouldn't bother to respond to him, but two of his e-mails have really angered me. |
| 17:59:09 | * | Febs realizes he should know better than to respond. |
| 17:59:25 | rasher | We all should, I guess. |
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| 18:00:30 | rasher | Well, good thing he doens't have commit rights. |
| 18:00:40 | rasher | (he doesn't, right?) |
| 18:05:54 | rasher | What do you think about my move-to-next-folder solution? |
| 18:06:06 | rasher | adding instead of replacing the playlist |
| 18:06:32 | rasher | of course, you can't jump backwards from your first folder |
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| 18:06:45 | rasher | But then.. that's just not how rockbox works |
| 18:07:14 | Febs | It seems like a good idea to me. I don't immediately see any downside to it. |
| 18:07:52 | rasher | Damn |
| 18:08:07 | rasher | It's usually best to see the potential downsides first |
| 18:08:22 | rasher | Can't think of them either, but I'm sure they're there |
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| 18:41:08 | amiconn | rasher: Appending the new dir should actually be the better way of handling 'Move to next folder' |
| 18:42:08 | amiconn | This would be more integrated imho, e.g. it could simply call the code for adding a dir to the end of a playlist (the 'insert last' code) |
| 18:43:35 | rasher | I think it'd make more sense |
| 18:46:24 | rasher | Suddenly removing songs is weird. |
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| 20:50:01 | solex | um, how do you "move to next folder"? |
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| 21:06:49 | t0mas | hm |
| 21:07:04 | t0mas | solex: at the end of the current folder, it skips to the next one |
| 21:07:09 | t0mas | irivers default behaviour |
| 21:07:47 | t0mas | arg |
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| 21:51:45 | linuxstb | Is there a reason that radio presets haven't been enabled on the iriver by adding them to the menu, in the same way as it works on the ONDIO? |
| 21:57:55 | amiconn | Yes, Linus couldn't decide about the way how to do that. Shouldn't be too difficult imho, although I didn't have a look at it |
| 21:58:06 | linuxstb | Just adding "|| (CONFIG_KEYPAD == IRIVER_H100_PAD)" to line 972 of apps/recorder/radio.c enables them. |
| 21:58:32 | linuxstb | It's a quick fix until someone can give it more thought. |
| 21:58:55 | solex | t0mas: but there is no keyboard shortcut to do this, correct? |
| 21:59:17 | t0mas | hm? switch to next dir? |
| 21:59:21 | t0mas | not afaik... |
| 21:59:25 | t0mas | would be a nice one |
| 21:59:26 | t0mas | in WPS |
| 21:59:33 | t0mas | the iriver fw has it |
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| 22:01:54 | solex | yep, but the iriver shortcut is kind of awkward, iirc |
| 22:02:08 | solex | but i cannot think of anything better |
| 22:02:28 | solex | it just would be nice to do that "blindly" |
| 22:02:43 | solex | i always have the player in my trousers' pocket |
| 22:05:01 | bluebrother^ | i personally like the "quick and long press" for next dir. |
| 22:05:20 | bluebrother^ | it's a bit unusual, but when you're used to it it's nice. |
| 22:05:39 | solex | may be. never used iriver firmware :) |
| 22:06:05 | bluebrother^ | I used it way to long ;) |
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| 22:08:35 | solex | fortunately, i discovered rockbox even before deciding which player to buy. |
| 22:09:00 | solex | unnecessary to mention that it influenced my decision a little |
| 22:09:09 | * | amiconn actually bought an iriver *for* rockbox development :) |
| 22:09:41 | solex | amiconn: does it still work or did you take it apart completely? |
| 22:09:43 | amiconn | linuxstb_: Did you try that? |
| 22:09:58 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Yes, it works perfectly. |
| 22:10:06 | amiconn | solex: It does work, I took nothing apart |
| 22:10:32 | amiconn | The HD suffered from a crash-to-floor (it's a bit louder than usual, but still works) |
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| 22:11:01 | amiconn | Unfortunately the HD shock protection of the H1x0 leaves something to be desired... |
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| 22:26:18 | linuxstb_ | Anyone have any objections to me committing that change to radio.c to CVS? Would it contravene the feature-freeze? |
| 22:26:37 | solex | amiconn: my player has already droppped two or three times |
| 22:26:44 | solex | but the hd still works fine |
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| 22:34:19 | linuxstb__ | Thinking about the presets, I can't think of any other option apart from to add the preset options to the radio menu - in the same way as the Ondio. There are not enough keys left. |
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| 22:44:47 | bluebrother^ | i would like to access the presets by pressing the joystick from the fm screen |
| 22:45:52 | linuxstb__ | That key currently takes you to the main Rockbox menu. |
| 22:46:08 | bluebrother^ | really? |
| 22:46:20 | bluebrother^ | oh, just saw it. Hadn't noticed before. |
| 22:46:54 | linuxstb__ | But I agree it would be nice to get there via a single keypress |
| 22:47:12 | bluebrother^ | is it intended there is a switch in the volume when switching between fm and main menu? |
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| 22:47:41 | linuxstb__ | What do you mean? |
| 22:47:41 | bluebrother^ | so the "play" button doesn't do anything, does it? |
| 22:48:01 | linuxstb__ | Not that I can tell. I was thinking of putting it there as well. |
| 22:48:07 | bluebrother^ | when I'm in the FM screen and press the joystick I can notice a change in the volume. |
| 22:48:27 | linuxstb__ | Silly question, but are you sure you're not moving the joystick up/down? |
| 22:48:42 | bluebrother^ | pressing the joystick again takes me back to the fm screen and the "old" volume is restored. |
| 22:48:47 | bluebrother^ | no, just pressing. |
| 22:48:59 | linuxstb__ | Strange - I don't hear any difference. |
| 22:49:41 | bluebrother^ | fm screen is a bit louder than the menu |
| 22:50:27 | bluebrother^ | there is also a slight pop when re-entering the fm screen. |
| 22:51:06 | linuxstb__ | bluebrother^: Yes, I hear that pop - it sounds as if the radio is being re-tuned to the existing frequency. |
| 22:51:19 | bluebrother^ | hmm. When changing the volume by one step only sets it back to the volume the menu had. |
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| 22:51:56 | bluebrother^ | something like this. Or the volume gets triggered to some undesired value |
| 22:52:14 | linuxstb__ | No, the volume definitely isn't changing for me. |
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| 22:54:12 | bluebrother^ | I would also prefer having a "<add new>" item in the preset list. Sounds more clear to me and reduces the amount of menu entries :) |
| 22:54:35 | Moos | Hello guys! |
| 22:55:17 | Moos | anyone here noticed an increasment of boost ratio for mpa decoder? |
| 22:55:25 | linuxstb__ | bluebrother^: I was thinking exactly the same thing, but I think I prefer to keep the list of existing presets clean, and not clutter it with options |
| 22:55:40 | Moos | and lot of switching betwen 48 and 120 mhz |
| 22:56:00 | Moos | wasn't like that few days ago |
| 22:56:13 | Moos | maybe a preglow's changes, no? |
| 22:56:51 | bluebrother^ | when the radio screen is entered radio_screen will be called? |
| 22:57:44 | linuxstb__ | yes - see apps/main_menu.c |
| 22:58:54 | * | linuxstb__ just discovered that FM works during USB mode :). |
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| 23:00:16 | Moos | anyone? |
| 23:00:36 | linuxstb__ | Moos: Sorry, I rarely use the MPEG codec. |
| 23:00:47 | Moos | hehe :) |
| 23:01:13 | Moos | here a big part of my big collection |
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| 23:16:45 | samwichse | Anyone working on rockbox on the gmini xs200 ? |
| 23:16:56 | bluebrother^ | I have the suspictions some transfer isn't working completely when reentering the fm screen. |
| 23:17:11 | samwichse | I see the 220 xs listed on the site as a work in progress |
| 23:17:32 | samwichse | but I've no idea how similar it is to the 220 |
| 23:17:38 | samwichse | 200 I meab |
| 23:17:40 | linuxstb__ | bluebrother^: What do you mean by "transfer" ? |
| 23:17:43 | samwichse | mean! damn! |
| 23:18:12 | Bagder | samwichse: don't hold your breath for Rockbox on gmini |
| 23:18:30 | bluebrother^ | I just tried adding a "global_settings.volume" right after the radio_set(RADIO_MUTE, 0); in line 270 |
| 23:18:50 | bluebrother^ | so the volume was supposed to change (if I understood this correctly) |
| 23:19:14 | bluebrother^ | the status bar displayed a changed volume but it didn't change until I changed it. |
| 23:19:53 | bluebrother^ | or do I need to call something else? |
| 23:19:56 | linuxstb__ | I also think the keep_playing variable should be made static and checked at the start of radio_screen to prevent re-initialising the tuner. |
| 23:20:48 | bluebrother^ | I also was a bit curious about that. This way the radio always gets re-initialized on entering the fm, isn't it? |
| 23:21:09 | linuxstb__ | Yes, I think so. But I'm just as new to this code as you are. |
| 23:21:21 | bluebrother^ | ah, ok. |
| 23:22:16 | amiconn | linuxstb__: I don't think this would be a good idea. It may need additional measures once an iriver radio bug gets fixed. The radio should stop playing as soon as audio file playback is started |
| 23:22:35 | amiconn | bluebrother^: Just setting the global settings variable doesn't change anything |
| 23:24:05 | linuxstb__ | amiconn: On reflection I agree the keep_playing variable isn't the right way to do it. |
| 23:24:16 | linuxstb__ | What's the iriver radio bug you are referring to? |
| 23:24:52 | bluebrother^ | amiconn: already found it. My fault. |
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| 23:25:37 | bluebrother^ | linuxstb__: tried your static proposal. Still have the volume thing but the pop is gone. |
| 23:26:07 | linuxstb__ | bluebrother^: I think the problem is if the radio is stopped by another part of Rockbox. |
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| 23:32:34 | linuxstb__ | Anyone know if the "pop" when entering the radio screen with the radio already playing affects other targets, or just the iriver? |
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| 23:34:50 | bluebrother^ | is there some better testing solution than repeating connect - copy - disconnect - try? |
| 23:35:55 | linuxstb__ | Don't think so - unless you have a BDM attached. |
| 23:38:08 | amiconn | linuxstb__: Maybe, I'm not entirely sure. I tried on my shiny new Ondio FM. There is a slight pop both when leaving the radio screen and when re-entering with the radio playing, but in both cases the volume is muted for a short time |
| 23:40:12 | amiconn | This short mute is easy to understand. The MAS is reinitialised in both cases (to recording mode when entering the radio screen and to playback mode when leaving it) |
| 23:40:41 | amiconn | On iriver there is no mute, but interestingly I also get the volume difference between radio screen and menu |
| 23:41:29 | linuxstb__ | I'm certain I can't hear any volume change. |
| 23:41:46 | linuxstb__ | I've got a H140. |
| 23:42:41 | bluebrother^ | amiconn: I added a sound_set(SOUND_VOLUME, global_settings.volume); right after the radio_set stuff. Now I can't hear any difference anymore. |
| 23:43:10 | amiconn | H140 here as well |
| 23:43:43 | linuxstb__ | Can you think of any settings that would cause a volume change? |
| 23:44:07 | bluebrother^ | strange. |
| 23:45:10 | amiconn | linuxstb__: Do you use flat tone control, or do you have some treble/bass boost enabled? |
| 23:45:28 | linuxstb__ | Flat. |
| 23:45:52 | amiconn | That's it |
| 23:46:14 | amiconn | With treble/bass boost != 0 there is a volume change, with flat settings it doesn't happen |
| 23:46:30 | amiconn | I guess pcmrec_set_mux(1); fiddles with the prescaler... |
| 23:47:12 | linuxstb__ | That's it - if I boost the treble, I can hear a volume change. |
| 23:50:42 | bluebrother^ | grrr. |
| 23:50:55 | linuxstb__ | Going back to presets for a moment, is there a reason why the "add preset" menu option is simply called "Add", and not something more specific like "Add preset"? |
| 23:51:13 | bluebrother^ | the website of the radio station I'm listening to tells me what track this is but not what remix. It is one. |
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| 23:52:05 | bluebrother^ | I think it's a bit strange to have a "add" entry but no "delete" or "change". |
| 23:52:19 | linuxstb__ | Do a long-press of select in the presets menu... |
| 23:52:29 | bluebrother^ | (already found that, but I think it's a bit stange) |
| 23:52:48 | bluebrother^ | not the context menu as is but the diversion. |
| 23:52:58 | amiconn | linuxstb__: Yes there is a reason why the option is just called "Add" |
| 23:53:11 | linuxstb__ | There always is a reason in Rockbox :) |
| 23:53:37 | amiconn | The menu string is a re-use from the soft-button string of the FM recorder, and that has to be short. |
| 23:54:25 | amiconn | Basically, having the presets in the menu was a hack for the Ondio |
| 23:54:56 | linuxstb__ | I'm starting to realise that. I now know why Linus didn't implement presets. |
| 23:55:08 | amiconn | I hope the we do the Right Thing (tm) and thoroughly check all strings once localisation v2 gets added |
| 23:55:29 | amiconn | Bagder? ;) |
| 23:55:59 | Bagder | I'll commit the first stuff after the 2.5 release |
| 23:57:25 | linuxstb__ | The On button is free in the radio screen, so I think that should bring up the list of presets. The choice is then to either have an <add preset> option in the list of presets, or an "Add preset" option in the radio menu. |
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