| 00:00:54 | linuxstb_ | Rockbox on the H1x0 is also the first hardware device to play ALAC gaplessly. Apple can't do it on the ipod as far as I understand. |
| 00:01:08 | rasher | Haha |
| 00:01:14 | dpassen1 | do any software players do it gaplessly? |
| 00:01:21 | elinenbe | so, now you can play anything that itunes encodes... |
| 00:01:57 | linuxstb_ | dpassen1: I don't know. I think foobar has an alac decoder - but I'm not sure how well it's been implemented. |
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| 00:02:14 | goa | yes fb2k can do it |
| 00:02:19 | dpassen1 | so there's 3 lossless options now |
| 00:02:38 | amiconn | 4 |
| 00:02:52 | Zagor | overkill is our middle name |
| 00:02:58 | goa | but who needs ALAC if there is wapack ;) |
| 00:03:02 | dpassen1 | FLAC, WavPack, ALAC, ? |
| 00:03:06 | goa | wavpack |
| 00:03:06 | amiconn | wav |
| 00:03:08 | rasher | It plays indeed. |
| 00:03:17 | dpassen1 | wav isn't lossless, its uncompressed |
| 00:03:40 | rasher | That's still lossless, by it's very definition. |
| 00:03:40 | amiconn | ...yes, which is lossless as well |
| 00:03:57 | linuxstb_ | I think ALAC is the only lossless codec that's easy for Mac users to deal with. FLAC is lacking a decent Quicktime component. |
| 00:05:23 | amiconn | Hmm, it should be simple to support aiff |
| 00:05:40 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: It should be. We wouldn't even need to byte-swap. |
| 00:05:56 | amiconn | Yes |
| 00:05:58 | linuxstb_ | So it's even more efficent than WAV. |
| 00:06:24 | amiconn | The good thing is that once we get the pcm codec running on MAS, we could support both wav and aiff |
| 00:06:28 | amiconn | (on archos) |
| 00:06:41 | amiconn | The pcm codec can be programmed to do the byte swapping |
| 00:06:52 | amiconn | (but not the bitswapping :( ) |
| 00:07:21 | rasher | http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=1679 <−− an ALAC sample if anyone wants to test |
| 00:09:01 | linuxstb_ | One problem is that the UI is very unresponsive when playing ALAC files - even though the CPU boost is never any more than about 70%, and sometimes as low as 40% |
| 00:09:31 | rasher | I'm sure an optimizer-monkey will be able to figure that out |
| 00:09:53 | linuxstb_ | I'm guessing this is because the main decode_frame() function in my libalac takes too long, and I should yield from inside that function. |
| 00:10:35 | rasher | I guess that makes sense |
| 00:11:15 | Zagor | linuxstb_: is this based on David Hammerton's code? |
| 00:11:22 | linuxstb_ | Yes. |
| 00:12:07 | Zagor | it doesn't say anywhere |
| 00:12:43 | linuxstb_ | Yes it does - e.g. apps/codecs/libalac/README and README.rockbox |
| 00:13:02 | linuxstb_ | In fact, all the source files inside libalac/ |
| 00:13:18 | Zagor | bah, I'm blind. sorry :-) |
| 00:13:35 | linuxstb_ | Can you confirm you're happy with the license? |
| 00:13:38 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 00:13:44 | linuxstb_ | See the source code, or README.rockbox for details. |
| 00:14:06 | rasher | Looks reasonable |
| 00:14:21 | Zagor | Yes, looks fine to me. |
| 00:14:49 | rasher | Zagor: I asked the ipl people yesterday about the RPSL |
| 00:14:49 | linuxstb_ | Yes, it looked fine to me as well. Also, other GPL'd project like ffmpeg have already used it. |
| 00:15:23 | rasher | Zagor: they said that they are either a) treating the codec as a binary glob, and not linking against it ... or b) adding exceptions to the GPL |
| 00:16:22 | rasher | Zagor: They asked why adding GPL exceptions would be a problem for Rockbox, and I failed to come up with an answer. |
| 00:17:51 | linuxstb_ | The source code in podzilla/ doesn't seem to mention any exceptions - it's just the standard GPL text. Also, they are definitely linking against it in podzilla. |
| 00:18:01 | rasher | I guess they're just lying then. |
| 00:18:06 | rasher | And closing their eyes. |
| 00:18:36 | linuxstb_ | Podzilla is here: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/ipodlinux/tools/podzilla/ |
| 00:18:47 | Zagor | rasher: GPL exceptions are quite tricky |
| 00:18:48 | rasher | The idea that the codec having it's own main() function seemed to appease at least one of them. |
| 00:19:13 | rasher | Zagor: no doubt. I don't quite understand them, so I didn't really have an explanation for them. |
| 00:19:26 | rasher | linuxstb_: oh god, the horror... |
| 00:19:50 | linuxstb_ | What do you mean? |
| 00:19:52 | Zagor | "If you wrote the whole program yourself, then assuming your employer or school does not claim the copyright, you are the copyright holder−−so you can authorize the exception. But if you want to use parts of other GPL-covered programs by other authors in your code, you cannot authorize the exception for them. You have to get the approval of the copyright holders of those programs." −− http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLIncompatib |
| 00:19:52 | Zagor | leLibs |
| 00:20:32 | rasher | Ah, there we go |
| 00:20:45 | rasher | the problem is that other people's gpl would need to have those exceptions as well |
| 00:20:47 | rasher | which we can't. |
| 00:20:49 | rasher | got it. |
| 00:21:06 | Zagor | theoretically we might, but it'd be a lot of work... |
| 00:21:23 | Zagor | and ipodlinux probably needs even more work |
| 00:21:25 | rasher | #ifdef USE_HELIXAACDEC |
| 00:21:25 | rasher | #include <aacdec.h> |
| 00:21:27 | linuxstb_ | And I guess every contributor to Rockbox over the past 4 years would have to agree to the license change? |
| 00:21:37 | rasher | And the codecs, right? |
| 00:21:52 | Zagor | at least all codecs and major contributions |
| 00:21:56 | linuxstb_ | Most of the codecs are not GPL, so maybe that wouldn't be a problem. |
| 00:22:14 | rasher | ah, true |
| 00:22:17 | Zagor | we have some glibc code. i bet that would be a challenge getting an exception for :-) |
| 00:22:19 | rasher | vorbis is though |
| 00:22:26 | rasher | or not |
| 00:22:31 | rasher | I'm on crack. |
| 00:22:35 | rasher | Nevermind me. |
| 00:22:48 | rasher | It most definately is not. I knew that. |
| 00:23:55 | linuxstb_ | liba52 is GPL'd, and so is libmad |
| 00:23:57 | amiconn | I don't quite get the point of this discussion |
| 00:24:14 | rasher | We're mostly jsut pointing our fingers at IPL, I think. |
| 00:24:17 | fuzzie | that aac.c sure looks like the most GPL violating thing ever |
| 00:24:19 | amiconn | If the license is incompatible, use the version before the license change, or dithc it |
| 00:24:28 | fuzzie | this license has never been compatible |
| 00:24:35 | rasher | amiconn: this is about the Helix thing, which never has been |
| 00:24:41 | fuzzie | we were just wondering how the ipl people worked around it |
| 00:24:43 | rasher | but which ipodlinux is using nevertheless |
| 00:24:45 | Zagor | amiconn: we were simply trying to figure out how the ipodlinux guys are reasoning |
| 00:24:48 | amiconn | Yes, but we're not bound to use it |
| 00:24:49 | fuzzie | the answer is definitely "by violating licenses" |
| 00:24:53 | fuzzie | after checking the podzilla binary |
| 00:24:59 | amiconn | yes |
| 00:24:59 | rasher | Totally. |
| 00:25:48 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: The Helix decoder seems the best library for AAC, so it's worth the effort to consider the options. |
| 00:25:50 | rasher | I guess it's their luck that the people having their licenses broken are the people licensing under GPL - not Real. |
| 00:26:08 | linuxstb_ | But I realise that we probably don't have any options, so can't use it. |
| 00:27:09 | amiconn | linuxstb_: For me it is simple. If we can use the code because it's under GPL or some compatible license, we should use it. If not then not, simple |
| 00:27:36 | amiconn | I don't think aac support is a must |
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| 00:28:01 | amiconn | I haven't seen a single aac encoded file so far... |
| 00:28:16 | rasher | People say that about every format. |
| 00:28:23 | rasher | Well except mp3 I guess. |
| 00:28:27 | Zagor | if we ever run on ipod, aac will be useful :-) |
| 00:28:45 | amiconn | MP3 is widespread, ogg is interesting because it's open |
| 00:29:09 | amiconn | wav is simplicity |
| 00:29:19 | fuzzie | 50% of my music collection is aac, personally. |
| 00:29:31 | amiconn | all others are just nice to have, but not essential |
| 00:29:31 | fuzzie | and a majority of the files friends send me are aac |
| 00:29:59 | fuzzie | the Helix decoder is C++, right, which i was told isn't supported by the rockbox toolchain? |
| 00:30:07 | fuzzie | or am i misremembering? |
| 00:30:17 | fuzzie | the only viable option license-wise seems to be faad |
| 00:30:39 | linuxstb_ | fuzzie: I don't know. They have implemented an integer-only decoder, which I would hope is straight C. But I haven't looked at the code. |
| 00:30:41 | fuzzie | which at some point i will try integrating myself, if no-one else considers it important enough |
| 00:30:41 | Zagor | yes, pre-february FAAD2 is available under GPL |
| 00:31:11 | amiconn | fuzzie: I wonder where one gets aac files from... |
| 00:31:22 | rasher | amiconn: itunes-store, itunes |
| 00:31:37 | amiconn | Ah, that kind of stuff |
| 00:31:39 | fuzzie | encoding using itunes or the free winamp |
| 00:31:39 | linuxstb_ | I've already done a little work to get FAAD2 (the last GPL'd version) compiling under Rockbox. If anyone wants it, let me know. |
| 00:31:41 | fuzzie | or Real, i think |
| 00:31:43 | Zagor | "FAAD2 is the fastest ISO AAC audio decoder available." −− http://darwinports.opendarwin.org/darwinports/dports/audio/faad2/Portfile |
| 00:31:53 | rasher | Ah yes, Winamp does AAC encoding as well. |
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| 00:32:07 | linuxstb_ | Zagor: But the integer version doesn't support all types of AAC files. Helix supports more in their integer version. |
| 00:32:14 | Zagor | ok |
| 00:32:24 | linuxstb_ | But I'm far from an expert on AAC. |
| 00:32:44 | amiconn | If encoding from CD or other lossless source - why would one choose aac over mp3 or ogg/vorbis? |
| 00:32:52 | rasher | amiconn: convenience? |
| 00:32:59 | amiconn | Huh? |
| 00:33:05 | rasher | Convenience. |
| 00:33:22 | rasher | You have itunes, it rips in AAC. It's a no-brainer. |
| 00:33:31 | amiconn | What's convenient with a format that can only be played with a few players? |
| 00:33:42 | Zagor | people simpy use the default |
| 00:33:58 | amiconn | Does itunes allow ripping in other formats as well? |
| 00:33:59 | rasher | If you don't need to play them anywhere where they aren't supported, it doesn't matter |
| 00:34:12 | rasher | And such, formats spread slowly |
| 00:34:16 | rasher | can't really fight it |
| 00:34:26 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: I think iTunes can rip to AAC, ALAC and "uncompressed" (i.e. WAV or AIFF) |
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| 00:34:37 | amiconn | Weird |
| 00:34:44 | amiconn | Does it at least rip secure? |
| 00:35:02 | linuxstb_ | I think so. |
| 00:35:30 | amiconn | Weird apple stuff... |
| 00:35:33 | linuxstb_ | There's an option for a slower type of ripping, but I forget the exact wording. |
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| 00:35:58 | fuzzie | iTunes can also rip to mp3. |
| 00:36:10 | | Part Gammax |
| 00:36:27 | fuzzie | but, i mean, most people are going to rip to AAC, because it's much higher-quality for their use, and generally iTunes users have an iPod |
| 00:37:16 | Zagor | anyone here use itunes? have you tried the BadApple plugin, which enables syncing over standard usb mass-storage? |
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| 01:02:51 | elinenbe | Zagor: I think there is another plugin that is very similar to BadApple. |
| 01:03:08 | elinenbe | they both treat Mass Storage Devices as ipods... |
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| 01:03:21 | Zagor | which is that? |
| 01:04:03 | EdSolman | Just been updating some more stuff on the Wiki. Could someone add in the TrashAttachment page again so I can delete in-line images and replace them?? |
| 01:04:45 | EdSolman | And before anyone asks, I've tried doing it and can't. It just errors. |
| 01:05:04 | amiconn | linuxstb_: I just solved my first sudoku on Ondio :) |
| 01:05:22 | amiconn | However, I expected something to happen when it's solved... |
| 01:05:34 | rasher | amiconn: any ideas how to make "edit mode" availabe on ondio? |
| 01:05:47 | rasher | (press a button and up/down will change the digit) |
| 01:06:12 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: I hope I haven't distracted you from hacking. |
| 01:06:30 | amiconn | rasher: What would be the advantage? |
| 01:06:43 | linuxstb_ | I wasn't sure what to do when the game was solved - in the end I decided that doing nothing was fine. |
| 01:06:51 | Zagor | EdSolman: I've created a TrashAttachment page now. no idea what it's for though... :-) |
| 01:07:30 | rasher | amiconn: I just don't like the way it's working now - plus there's an up/down, instead of just up |
| 01:07:43 | rasher | additionally, on iriver, using the joystick is noisy |
| 01:07:52 | rasher | pressing the joystick. |
| 01:07:53 | EdSolman | Cheers. It's for moving attachments (png files etc) to when yoyu want to remove them from a Wiki page. |
| 01:07:57 | amiconn | I prefer the way it is now, as it can be done one-handed |
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| 01:08:13 | amiconn | rasher: You can now use Play as an alternative to Select |
| 01:08:19 | Zagor | EdSolman: aha |
| 01:08:20 | amiconn | (on iriver) |
| 01:08:37 | rasher | amiconn: Saw that, still don't like the "hold a button to cycle one way" thing |
| 01:08:55 | amiconn | I already use a combo to repeat-cycle on ondio |
| 01:09:07 | EdSolman | except Bjorn's locked it...... |
| 01:09:24 | rasher | Zagor == Bjorn |
| 01:09:29 | amiconn | ...but that combo (Mode+Down) can be pressed one-handed using the thumb |
| 01:09:41 | linuxstb_ | Would it be possible to push the joystick in, and then move left/right to change the digit? |
| 01:09:59 | linuxstb_ | Or would we still get a release event? |
| 01:10:02 | rasher | one-handedness is a non-issue on the iriver if you ask me. |
| 01:10:05 | amiconn | linuxstb_: No, iriver can't detect multiple buttons atr once |
| 01:10:10 | rasher | everything can be done one-handed |
| 01:10:14 | amiconn | (except combos with Play) |
| 01:10:27 | Zagor | EdSolman: try now |
| 01:10:40 | linuxstb_ | rasher: I still find it inconvenient to move my thumb from the joystick to another button. |
| 01:10:46 | rasher | except play+joystick combinations. |
| 01:10:51 | amiconn | rasher: How would you hold Play and then joystick up/down with one hand?? |
| 01:10:55 | linuxstb_ | rasher: Are you left or right handed? |
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| 01:11:14 | rasher | linuxstb_: thumb on joystick, pinky on record |
| 01:11:26 | rasher | eh.. not pinky |
| 01:11:29 | amiconn | Record + joystick up/down isn't possible |
| 01:11:37 | rasher | I'm not saying that |
| 01:11:50 | rasher | my patch uses record to enter edit-mode |
| 01:12:06 | rasher | so there's no movement involved (to me, anyway) |
| 01:12:08 | amiconn | Sounds cumbersome... |
| 01:12:18 | rasher | linuxstb_: right |
| 01:12:27 | linuxstb_ | When holding the iriver naturally, none of my fingers are near the record button - they are all underneath the device. |
| 01:12:34 | rasher | huh |
| 01:12:48 | rasher | mine are reaching around it, one of them resting on record |
| 01:13:01 | rasher | thumb covers joystick+play/stop/a-b |
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| 01:13:32 | rasher | I guess either we have differing opinions of "naturally", or you have very small fingers |
| 01:13:36 | rasher | probably the former |
| 01:14:24 | amiconn | For me, one-hand operation of the iriver needs two hand positions. (1) Using the joystick with the thumb, fingers underneath (2) Thumb right for play/ stop/ ab, fingers left side, middle finger for record |
| 01:14:49 | rasher | I don't get the "fingers underneath" one |
| 01:14:50 | amiconn | Side buttons and joystick together are impossible |
| 01:15:16 | rasher | Are you "balancing" it on the tip of your fingers? |
| 01:15:30 | EdSolman | spot on. Thanks Zagor.... |
| 01:15:49 | rasher | (2) sounds like how I'm holding it |
| 01:16:01 | rasher | except from there I can use both the side buttons and joystick |
| 01:16:04 | amiconn | Then how do you use the joystick?? |
| 01:16:21 | rasher | I.. move it on top |
| 01:16:29 | rasher | my thumb, that is |
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| 01:16:49 | Zagor | wouldn't you kill for a video link sometimes? :-) |
| 01:16:49 | amiconn | Well, it's possible, but with little precision |
| 01:17:06 | rasher | well, I'm not performing surgery |
| 01:17:14 | amiconn | ...especially with the iriver in the leather pouch |
| 01:17:26 | rasher | I hardly ever use that |
| 01:17:32 | rasher | So that would explain that part |
| 01:17:37 | amiconn | I'll probably use it all the time now |
| 01:18:06 | Zagor | rasher: have you added some glue or silicon to the joystick? |
| 01:18:20 | rasher | But I still don't see a problem in using the thumb for the joystick there... Maybe I have weird hands |
| 01:18:21 | amiconn | The iriver is too slippy without it, and badly protected against shock |
| 01:18:24 | rasher | Zagor: nope |
| 01:19:08 | amiconn | rasher: I too use the thumb for the joystick, but if I want to use it with good precision, I can't reach record at the same time |
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| 01:19:37 | amiconn | Anyway, even you can't use Play and the joystick at the same time with one hand |
| 01:19:59 | rasher | It's slightly more cramped, but nothing I'd be bothered by if record actually did anything |
| 01:20:09 | rasher | I never claim I could |
| 01:20:17 | preglow | on iriver? |
| 01:20:39 | rasher | not with any comfortable hand-position anyway |
| 01:20:41 | preglow | that's not even a slight problem |
| 01:20:41 | rasher | preglow: yes |
| 01:20:45 | preglow | i can do it with no problems |
| 01:20:54 | rasher | play+joystick? |
| 01:20:57 | preglow | yes |
| 01:21:06 | rasher | which fingers? |
| 01:21:13 | preglow | thumb and index |
| 01:21:26 | rasher | yeah that works |
| 01:21:41 | rasher | oh haha |
| 01:21:47 | rasher | of course. |
| 01:22:20 | preglow | i've actually used it like that sometimes |
| 01:22:24 | * | Zagor goes to bed |
| 01:22:31 | amiconn | Oh |
| 01:22:43 | * | amiconn should do the same |
| 01:23:22 | * | preglow yawns |
| 01:23:38 | rasher | Ah, now my remote-hold-indicator is always on |
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| 01:24:05 | rasher | Well, it's not mine. But the remote-hold-indicator patch is. |
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| 01:38:45 | preglow | hmm |
| 01:39:05 | preglow | i wonder if i should even bother to do proper filter resampling for 48khz audio |
| 01:39:55 | linuxstb | I have a lot of 48KHz audio, so please do everything you can with it. |
| 01:40:12 | preglow | well, what do you think of the current resampler? |
| 01:41:17 | linuxstb | It sounds fine to me - but then most things do until I compare them with something else. |
| 01:41:51 | linuxstb | So are you suggesting implementing something better than the current resampler? |
| 01:42:22 | preglow | yes |
| 01:42:36 | preglow | it's going to be needed for sample rates higher than 48khz, that's for sure |
| 01:42:45 | preglow | but i'm not sure if i should do the same for 48khz as well |
| 01:43:04 | preglow | 48->44.1 gives you a band of only a couple of kilohertz, which i need to remove |
| 01:46:45 | preglow | playing around with designing some iir filters now, and we'll need a relatively high order filter |
| 01:46:48 | preglow | hrmph |
| 01:49:09 | preglow | and then there's the problem of whether to include only the hard coded coefs for some sample rate changes, or the entire filter design routine, which is very hard to code in fixed point |
| 01:50:05 | rasher | Isn't the amount of used sampling rates pretty small? |
| 01:50:11 | rasher | widely used. |
| 01:50:37 | preglow | yeah |
| 01:50:51 | preglow | and i don't have to use anything very fancy, i suppose |
| 01:50:56 | rasher | if adding additional ones later isn't a problem, I'd definately say do the easy one |
| 01:50:59 | preglow | i'll have to code a filter coef generator for the eq anyway |
| 01:51:36 | linuxstb | My personal list would just be 48KHz and maybe 96KHz. But storing a 96KHz file on my iriver is a bit overkill. |
| 01:53:07 | amiconn | We should at least support all the standard sample rates from mpeg audio etc |
| 01:53:53 | preglow | i think we'll need a combination of iir filters and the linear interpolation we have now |
| 01:54:16 | rasher | Apparently "Rockbox sounds LIKE A BAG OF SHIT, compared to Iriver FW" |
| 01:54:18 | amiconn | Especially upsampling doesn't really sound good now |
| 01:54:32 | preglow | and yes, upsampling will need special treatment |
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| 01:55:11 | preglow | rasher: irivers resampling is really high quality compared to what we do now |
| 01:55:29 | rasher | preglow: I don't think this gentleman is talking about resampling |
| 01:55:45 | rasher | http://www.misticriver.net/boards/showthread.php?p=314219#post314219 |
| 01:55:49 | preglow | then i should like to hear what's wrong |
| 01:56:37 | preglow | doesn't exactly try to help us improve, does he |
| 01:56:50 | preglow | so i'm forced to conclude he's full of shit |
| 01:57:09 | rasher | Why, yes, I do believe he is. |
| 01:57:20 | rasher | Think I'll reply anyway. |
| 01:57:32 | preglow | i'd like to know what format he's using |
| 01:57:37 | preglow | what he thinks is wrong with the sound |
| 01:57:38 | amiconn | I still think rockbox actually sounds better than iriver with mp3 (44.1 kHz). Didn't compare other formats... |
| 01:57:45 | preglow | and a test sample |
| 01:58:09 | preglow | amiconn: as it should, libmad on iriver is very close to full 32 bit precision now |
| 01:59:04 | rasher | Maybe he likes muddyness |
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| 02:00:09 | preglow | the only compromising thing i do, is throw away three bits at end of all accumulator chains |
| 02:00:19 | preglow | even this can be fixed, but with a heavy penalty |
| 02:02:27 | preglow | tremor i believe is even higher qualit |
| 02:02:28 | preglow | y |
| 02:02:43 | rasher | But then, they're likely using tremor as well |
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| 02:02:55 | preglow | very probably |
| 02:04:28 | rasher | I've asked him a few questions |
| 02:05:54 | preglow | goodie |
| 02:06:14 | preglow | think i'll bookmark this thread for good measure |
| 02:06:42 | rasher | it's been quite strange so far |
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| 02:13:30 | preglow | there, minor annoyance removed, time to prepare for bed |
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| 02:14:28 | rasher | Which annoyance? |
| 02:14:40 | preglow | see commit |
| 02:14:49 | rasher | ah |
| 02:15:13 | rasher | that was indeed unnecessary |
| 02:15:28 | preglow | leftover from when bagder converted from xxx2wav to codec plugins |
| 02:15:51 | preglow | the codec plugin sources are a bloody mess |
| 02:17:52 | linuxstb | In what way? |
| 02:18:40 | preglow | in that they are a jumble of different code styles |
| 02:19:23 | preglow | i wish people were better at using the same code style within one source file |
| 02:19:37 | linuxstb | True. Too much copying and pasting by different people from different sources. |
| 02:20:55 | preglow | oh well |
| 02:20:58 | preglow | but i'm falling asleep |
| 02:21:01 | preglow | see you later |
| 02:21:14 | rasher | night |
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| 02:21:25 | rasher | linuxstb: seems no one was around to answer your question |
| 02:22:02 | linuxstb | rasher: No-one ever is. |
| 02:22:16 | rasher | Where do the devs hide? |
| 02:22:44 | rasher | Perhaps they're just scarce |
| 02:22:51 | linuxstb | There is the occasionally technical discussion (check the logs), but I'm never there at the right time. |
| 02:28:53 | linuxstb | rasher: Tried again... |
| 02:29:08 | rasher | Yeah. This guy isn't going to be helpful for sure |
| 02:29:42 | rasher | Success! |
| 02:30:28 | rasher | or not |
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| 02:32:58 | webguest89 | can I safely delete the file that has the games from iriver rockbox ? |
| 02:34:11 | rasher | Which file? |
| 02:34:59 | webguest89 | the rocks file I think it is |
| 02:35:15 | rasher | Ah, sure, but why would you want to? |
| 02:35:36 | webguest89 | I dont play games, |
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| 02:35:58 | rasher | How strange. |
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| 04:02:58 | wacky_ | hey :) pleased to see the CVS active again :)) |
| 04:05:08 | wacky_ | hey guys, I'd be pleased (also), to see a 'More' under the recent CVS activity, often I miss a couple of entries and I'd like to see them all :) |
| 04:05:17 | wacky_ | anyway, just a suggestion :) |
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| 09:20:29 | webguest45 | may be of interest to some −− the qtcomponents vorbis decoder for osx has been semi-revived, and works with 10.4 / qt7 (I had itunes 5 / qt7 / 10.3.9 working with the new version earlier today...) |
| 09:20:31 | webguest45 | http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1353547&forum_id=135636 |
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| 13:20:35 | The_Condor | hello |
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| 13:23:12 | solexx | hi |
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| 13:24:33 | The_Condor | hello amiconn |
| 13:24:38 | The_Condor | are you there friend ? |
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| 13:30:36 | [IDC]Dragon | hi Vladoman |
| 13:33:33 | The_Condor | any here know about |
| 13:33:39 | The_Condor | twikiuser bug ? |
| 13:33:41 | The_Condor | plz |
| 13:36:36 | [IDC]Dragon | twikiuser? |
| 13:37:05 | Zagor | The_Condor: i'm the twiki administrator. what is the problem? |
| 13:37:32 | am1conn | hi [IDC]Dragon |
| 13:38:50 | [IDC]Dragon | hi am*conn |
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| 13:39:19 | am1conn | [IDC]Dragon: Could you please re-add the mas pcm codec info to the DataSheets page (I'm not sure how you added them, vaguely remember you added two files...) |
| 13:39:34 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, but not now |
| 13:39:46 | am1conn | Other missing things are your recorder v1 uart boot images |
| 13:40:29 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, I had a quick look at that page |
| 13:40:35 | The_Condor | Zagor hello administrator |
| 13:40:39 | [IDC]Dragon | need to find the images |
| 13:43:19 | am1conn | I think they were on your old web space, perhaps you still have a copy of that |
| 13:43:40 | The_Condor | Zagor you here ? |
| 13:44:57 | HCl | hey, what would people think about a "file listing filter" when in the file browser? |
| 13:45:15 | HCl | like, you could enter a string, and it would filter out all files/directories that do not contain that string |
| 13:45:21 | HCl | like a sort of directory search |
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| 13:46:00 | javier_ | hello everyone |
| 13:46:43 | javier_ | I own an iriver H340 and I have visited rockbox website, I am eager to see it working for my player |
| 13:46:51 | HCl | hehe |
| 13:46:57 | HCl | most h3xx owners are, i think. |
| 13:47:09 | XavierGr | HCl: Sounds good to me. |
| 13:47:11 | javier_ | yes, most are, because iriver firmware is crap |
| 13:47:19 | Zagor | The_Condor: i'm here |
| 13:47:24 | The_Condor | ok zagor |
| 13:47:28 | The_Condor | i search about |
| 13:47:31 | The_Condor | twikiuser bug |
| 13:47:35 | The_Condor | you know about it ? |
| 13:47:52 | Zagor | no, what is it? |
| 13:47:56 | javier_ | please, I have some general question about portable music players, is it a correct place to ask? |
| 13:48:04 | HCl | am1conn, zagor, any comments on my idea? |
| 13:48:11 | The_Condor | look this here http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20050917.txt ??, |
| 13:48:18 | HCl | javier_: ask ahead, we'll see if we're able to answer it |
| 13:48:33 | The_Condor | Zagor :) |
| 13:48:35 | javier_ | ok HCL here it goes |
| 13:49:15 | javier_ | let's see, my mother enjoys listening to music a lot, and I bought her a mp3 player, a Creative 20G |
| 13:49:28 | The_Condor | Zagor are you see it ? |
| 13:49:36 | Zagor | The_Condor: that's an irc log with 979 lines in it. can you please be more specific? |
| 13:50:11 | javier_ | it's a creative zen one |
| 13:50:17 | Zagor | HCl: I don't quite see the point. Our hardcoded filters work pretty well for most uses cases. |
| 13:50:31 | javier_ | after I bought, I discovered it has too low contrast LCD |
| 13:50:36 | javier_ | she can hardly see it |
| 13:50:39 | HCl | Zagor: what hardcoded filters? |
| 13:50:43 | am1conn | HCl: I agree with Zagor |
| 13:50:48 | HCl | explain? |
| 13:50:53 | Zagor | HCl: "Music", "Supported", "All" |
| 13:51:02 | HCl | oh. no, i highly disagree |
| 13:51:08 | HCl | this function would search for a file in a directory |
| 13:51:13 | HCl | filename |
| 13:51:18 | HCl | not its type |
| 13:51:25 | Zagor | yes, but why? |
| 13:51:34 | HCl | for people with a lot of music in a single folder |
| 13:51:40 | HCl | i personally find it a pain |
| 13:51:43 | HCl | to have to browse 400 files |
| 13:51:45 | linuxstb | The_Condor: The bug was exploited and the Rockbox Wiki was deleted. But the recovery is now almost complete. Read the IRC logs for the days following the one you quoted for the gory details. |
| 13:51:46 | HCl | just to get to the one i want |
| 13:52:09 | HCl | i've been wanting to add something to allow quick browsing if you know what you're looking for |
| 13:52:26 | HCl | maybe it should be something thats not a filter |
| 13:52:26 | Zagor | it would hardly be much easier writing a search string. the keyboard is not exactly 102-key speedy... |
| 13:52:30 | HCl | filter would take too much time to set it up |
| 13:52:33 | HCl | yea. |
| 13:52:50 | javier_ | now I own a H300 player, it has much better LCD but is complicated to use, my mother would NEVER learn it |
| 13:53:08 | HCl | maybe a "jump to next character in the alphabet" would be better? |
| 13:53:27 | XavierGr | yeah something like it is more usable. |
| 13:53:27 | javier_ | could you suggest me any player for my mother? one easiest to use? |
| 13:53:34 | HCl | um |
| 13:53:36 | HCl | ipod? |
| 13:53:43 | XavierGr | bahaa! |
| 13:53:44 | javier_ | ipod? really? |
| 13:53:46 | HCl | most idiots i know get an ipod |
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| 13:53:55 | HCl | most idiotic people seem to have them |
| 13:53:59 | HCl | so its bound to be idiotproof |
| 13:54:00 | javier_ | do you think ipod is the example of easy to use? |
| 13:54:17 | HCl | dunno, never tried one, but it can't be that horrid, considering its success |
| 13:54:26 | Zagor | HCl: PageDown is good enough for me |
| 13:54:26 | javier_ | for example, if I bought an archos and install rockbox, is it much easier to use? |
| 13:54:29 | XavierGr | yeah it is quite easy to use, or so I've heard |
| 13:54:37 | HCl | Zagor: how would you do a pagedown in rockbox? |
| 13:54:44 | linuxstb | If I was buying a player for my mother, I would concentrate on the PC side of things - that's potentially far more difficult to use than the player itself. |
| 13:54:50 | HCl | and even then, thats not really good enough for my needs.. hmm.. |
| 13:54:50 | Zagor | we already have it. ON+UP/DOWN on archos |
| 13:54:52 | XavierGr | Play+ down |
| 13:55:01 | HCl | not on iriver though. |
| 13:55:05 | HCl | hmm... |
| 13:55:18 | am1conn | HCl: Definitely possible on iriver |
| 13:55:19 | HCl | personally, i'd like left/right on iriver to skip to previous/next alphabet |
| 13:55:22 | XavierGr | definitely |
| 13:55:23 | javier_ | linuxstb: what do you mean "on the PC side of things"?? |
| 13:55:35 | Zagor | HCl: uh? how do you go in/out of folders then? |
| 13:55:35 | HCl | and select / stop to play / leave the directory |
| 13:55:38 | linuxstb | javier_: The software used to rip CDs and organise the music on the player. |
| 13:55:49 | Zagor | urgh, horribly unintuitive |
| 13:56:09 | * | am1conn agrees again |
| 13:56:14 | javier_ | linuxstb: I don't understand you, but don't worry, I am the one placing the music on the player, my mother just listens it :) |
| 13:56:24 | linuxstb | javier_: OK - then ignore me :) |
| 13:56:30 | HCl | well |
| 13:56:35 | Zagor | wrecking the UI because you can't be bothered to organise your files is not a very good idea IMHO :-) |
| 13:57:04 | javier_ | archos player with rockbox can play ogg as far as I know, it would be a good option perhaps |
| 13:57:10 | HCl | i think i'll just make my own patch :) |
| 13:57:14 | javier_ | but which archos? |
| 13:57:29 | HCl | i highly disagree with saying the current rockbox interface is intuitive |
| 13:57:37 | javier_ | it must have high contrast |
| 13:57:38 | Zagor | harddrive players require some level of organisation. no amount of UI tweaking makes browsing thousands of files bearable without organisation. |
| 13:57:38 | HCl | if you go to the file browse mode |
| 13:57:40 | HCl | while playing music |
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| 13:57:55 | HCl | you have to press *PLAY* to get back |
| 13:57:57 | HCl | instead of stop |
| 13:58:00 | HCl | where's the sense in that? |
| 13:58:02 | tucoz | Hi, how do I attach a screenshot to the wiki? |
| 13:58:03 | Zagor | HCl: I agree the iriver buttons are weird. I don't like them either. |
| 13:58:09 | javier_ | HCL: so you don't think rockbox gui is usable |
| 13:58:10 | HCl | its not the iriver buttons |
| 13:58:15 | Zagor | yes it is |
| 13:58:16 | HCl | its the assignment that rockbox gives to them |
| 13:58:23 | HCl | javier_: i'm saying its hardly intuitiveve |
| 13:58:28 | HCl | untuitive* |
| 13:58:30 | Zagor | yes, but they are much better on archos in my opinion |
| 13:58:36 | tucoz | I thought I add a screenshot to the sudoku plugin |
| 13:58:46 | HCl | intuitive* darnit. |
| 13:58:47 | HCl | heh. |
| 13:58:52 | javier_ | HCL: yes yes, unintuitive, but original iriver isn't intuitive neither |
| 13:58:59 | HCl | the keys in the wps for iriver are fine |
| 13:59:02 | Zagor | I want a big discussion about the iriver buttons before we release it. |
| 13:59:07 | HCl | up/down for volume, left/right for skipping/seeking |
| 13:59:28 | XavierGr | yeah keymapping needs a little attention |
| 13:59:34 | HCl | i dislike the quick menu on iriver too, but i'll look at that later |
| 13:59:35 | javier_ | ok, please, people, suggest me some replacement for my mother's zen mp3 player |
| 13:59:44 | javier_ | by the waym NEVER buy a Zen |
| 13:59:51 | HCl | javier_: i'd say ipod, because its proved to be fairly idiot proof |
| 13:59:57 | HCl | definately not irier |
| 13:59:58 | HCl | iriver |
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| 14:00:04 | HCl | i have to read my iriver manual regularly |
| 14:00:10 | HCl | and i'm used handling vague equipment |
| 14:00:18 | XavierGr | I disagree |
| 14:00:23 | XavierGr | read the manual? |
| 14:00:23 | HCl | its impossible to keep track of the long/short keypresses on iriver |
| 14:00:26 | XavierGr | come on! |
| 14:00:36 | HCl | yes, i have to read the manual |
| 14:00:42 | HCl | to figure out what the hell what button does |
| 14:00:44 | HCl | in what mode |
| 14:00:55 | javier_ | well, I disagree too, or at least, I just use what I remember |
| 14:01:02 | XavierGr | Well I agree that it will take some time to get used to it, |
| 14:01:05 | HCl | with the original firmware |
| 14:01:08 | javier_ | anyway Ipod can play ogg? NO |
| 14:01:23 | javier_ | and I have half of my iriver music in ogg |
| 14:01:45 | javier_ | if I want to put this into my mothers player I must convert it into mp3 loosing in the change |
| 14:01:51 | XavierGr | but with moderate use you can learn all the functions blindly |
| 14:02:01 | Zagor | javier_: i'm afraid there is currently no player for sale that I would recommend |
| 14:02:26 | javier_ | Zagor: in fact the problem is the LCD contrast, which is too low on Zen player |
| 14:02:47 | XavierGr | The best DAP for now would be an H300 with a fully realeased rockbox version inside |
| 14:02:51 | tucoz | nevermind, found out |
| 14:03:13 | javier_ | XavierGr: well, this option is not posible :) |
| 14:03:31 | XavierGr | obviously, for the time being! |
| 14:03:36 | tucoz | Anyway, what do you think of an indicator for empty directories? I mean, today when you enter an empty dir, the screen is completley blank |
| 14:03:51 | HCl | well, i'm not aware of portable players that play ogg, and are idiotproof |
| 14:03:52 | tucoz | Maybe something like <empty> |
| 14:03:54 | XavierGr | nice idea, Icould say |
| 14:04:05 | javier_ | in fact I think mp builders are from another world, because it is nearly impossible to generate so cumbersome players |
| 14:04:07 | HCl | yea, i agree tucoz |
| 14:04:10 | javier_ | with so complicated options |
| 14:04:15 | javier_ | it must be easier |
| 14:04:21 | Vladoman | anybody kwows where the Neuros Wiki is located? |
| 14:04:21 | HCl | they're not *that* bad.. |
| 14:04:23 | javier_ | looks like the like to complicate simple things |
| 14:04:26 | HCl | people are just stupid :/ |
| 14:04:42 | javier_ | HCL: come on, H300 has a set of buttons which are mad!! |
| 14:04:45 | Zagor | tucoz: well it's not that simple. the directory might in fact not be empty, since we have filters. |
| 14:05:02 | HCl | javier_: dunno the h300 |
| 14:05:16 | Zagor | saying "empty" just because we don't show any of the files is incorrect in my opinion |
| 14:05:24 | javier_ | well, I like H300 it's nice |
| 14:05:41 | tucoz | Zagor: Yes, i do not say that it is simple. Maybe, some indicator anyway. |
| 14:05:54 | tucoz | Need some thoughts on this |
| 14:05:59 | markun | javier_: iAudio X5 also supports ogg, but i've never used one. |
| 14:06:06 | javier_ | I chose H300 mainly because it implemented 0gg |
| 14:06:18 | javier_ | markun: iAudio, which manufacturer? |
| 14:06:22 | markun | Cowon |
| 14:06:33 | am1conn | Zagor, HCl : I disagree here. I think the rockbox button assignments on iriver are quite intuitive |
| 14:06:46 | markun | javier_: http://eng.iaudio.com/ |
| 14:06:54 | Zagor | am1conn: I suspect you are just used to them :-) |
| 14:06:57 | HCl | well, i'm highly likely to make my own version with adjusted controls |
| 14:07:03 | XavierGr | amiconn: I don't think so, and many users have declared their confusion in this. |
| 14:07:12 | HCl | if people don't agree, i'll simply not commit it |
| 14:07:26 | javier_ | markun: nice option! |
| 14:07:31 | tucoz | am1conn: ...with the exception of play when it is select :) |
| 14:07:32 | * | HCl needs to think out a proper filebrowsing thing.. |
| 14:07:32 | javier_ | markun: expensive??? |
| 14:07:50 | HCl | hmmm, i know.. |
| 14:08:18 | markun | javier_: don't know. By the time rockbox runs on ipods they will also be able to play oggs. |
| 14:08:37 | javier_ | markun: yes, rockbox will be the revolution |
| 14:09:01 | javier_ | markun: I like this player you pointed because it has few buttons, my mother can't get lost too much :) |
| 14:09:13 | tucoz | Zagor: I do not know how this works, but I guess there are some kind of datastructure holding the entries of the current directory. If this == 0, then a splash or something could be shown. |
| 14:09:28 | XavierGr | Can you imagine it? Some years later.... companies that will make Rockbox Compatible DAPS!!! :p |
| 14:09:41 | * | HCl goes to make another hclproposalthingy topic |
| 14:09:43 | tucoz | Or some datastructure holding what to be rendered to screen |
| 14:09:46 | markun | javier_: This is a site of iaudio users, maybe you can get more info there: http://www.iaudiophile.net/ |
| 14:10:12 | tucoz | Guess I'll have a look at the code. |
| 14:10:14 | Zagor | tucoz: yes, but then you'd see it for some "empty" directories and not for others (which merely don't contain any unfiltered files). total confusion! |
| 14:10:29 | javier_ | markun: I will try, I hope it can be found in Spain!! |
| 14:10:33 | am1conn | tucoz: Displaying play and meaning Select isn't a button assignment problem |
| 14:11:16 | tucoz | am1conn: that is true. Well, as I heard earlier, Bagders langv2 will handle this. |
| 14:12:16 | markun | javier_: there have been some complaints about the iaudio interface, but someone is working on a rockbox port. |
| 14:12:29 | XavierGr | Amen to that. |
| 14:12:46 | XavierGr | If only things were easier to port rockbox... |
| 14:13:35 | javier_ | markun: no prob, I will read a lot before I buy anything, I don't want to be frustrated as with the creative zen |
| 14:13:49 | HCl | hmm. |
| 14:13:50 | HCl | okay. |
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| 14:13:58 | XavierGr | Creative and their stupid proprietary fileformats |
| 14:13:59 | HCl | i see now why stop for leaving directories won't do :p |
| 14:14:27 | XavierGr | I think that left/right for folder navigation is best. |
| 14:14:34 | HCl | well |
| 14:14:36 | HCl | i agree with left |
| 14:14:44 | HCl | i personally think right is not *needed* |
| 14:14:49 | HCl | though it does make sense. |
| 14:14:49 | tucoz | Zagor: good point. But then we could have some other way of showing <no supported files> then? |
| 14:14:57 | XavierGr | and how to enter a folder with play or click? |
| 14:15:04 | HCl | hm? |
| 14:15:09 | HCl | yes, with play or click |
| 14:15:16 | XavierGr | better with right IMHO |
| 14:15:20 | Zagor | tucoz: well, sure. but is this really a problem? the directory is quite obviously empty, since your screen is. |
| 14:15:32 | HCl | hmmm |
| 14:15:34 | HCl | okay |
| 14:15:43 | HCl | so if people use right to select a file in the first place |
| 14:15:44 | HCl | that means |
| 14:15:52 | XavierGr | Keymapping is cinfusing with the different menus |
| 14:15:53 | HCl | that the select button is technically free |
| 14:16:13 | XavierGr | Quick menu file tree, and WPS have different feedback |
| 14:16:16 | * | HCl adjusts his idea |
| 14:16:59 | tucoz | Yes, it is not really a problem. But, in userland I have experienced that I have entered a empty/no supported files directory when browsing from the wps. When I then return to the browser the screen is blank and I do not really know what is going on. |
| 14:17:47 | tucoz | I know it is knitpicking, well, you know. Maybe showing . and .. could do |
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| 14:18:18 | HCl | do . and .. exist within the FAT filesystem? or are they just thought up. |
| 14:18:31 | tucoz | I don't know, hehe |
| 14:18:33 | XavierGr | It is just that there are so many little details to add and so little time to adapt them and code (or debug) |
| 14:18:45 | XavierGr | I think they do |
| 14:19:00 | webguest20 | hello ! why do the h3xx firmware have so many errors now ? |
| 14:19:09 | HCl | because h3xx doesn't work yet. |
| 14:19:11 | webguest20 | it was down to 3 a wile ago |
| 14:19:24 | XavierGr | errors has nothing to do with it |
| 14:19:32 | HCl | there is no bootloader on h3xx, noone is working seriously on h3xx |
| 14:19:34 | tucoz | webguest20: but that doesn't indicate the status of the port to h3xx |
| 14:19:37 | XavierGr | as long as there is no bootloader... |
| 14:19:38 | HCl | till there is a working bootloader |
| 14:20:19 | webguest20 | but isnt linus working on the h3xx anymore? |
| 14:20:22 | HCl | (someone should add that to the bleeding edge page, if its not on there already) |
| 14:20:27 | HCl | he has a life, heh. |
| 14:20:35 | webguest20 | ;) |
| 14:20:36 | XavierGr | good point |
| 14:20:38 | Zagor | HCl: they do exist in fat |
| 14:20:44 | HCl | Zagor: kay. |
| 14:20:49 | HCl | then i don't see a problem with showing .. |
| 14:20:55 | HCl | i personally don't really see the point of showing . |
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| 14:21:15 | XavierGr | HCl: What about those rockboy optimizations. You seem that you are in need of programing something! |
| 14:21:22 | XavierGr | :P |
| 14:21:29 | HCl | rockboy isn't a high priority, but yea. |
| 14:21:30 | Zagor | HCl: it becomes a lot more annoying having to navigate to the top of the directory just to exit it |
| 14:21:34 | webguest20 | is it when you realesed 2.5 all the errors came over you? |
| 14:21:43 | HCl | Zagor: what happened to left exiting a directory? |
| 14:21:53 | HCl | we wouldn't actually be using the .. |
| 14:21:57 | Zagor | oh, I thought you wanted to use that for something else. |
| 14:21:58 | HCl | just displaying it |
| 14:21:59 | javier_ | well people, thank you for all your comments |
| 14:22:05 | HCl | naw, i'm replanning my idea |
| 14:22:10 | XavierGr | have a nice buy |
| 14:22:11 | HCl | i see why the left button is vital |
| 14:22:28 | linuxstb | webguest20: The new H300 errors are caused by my Sudoku plugin. |
| 14:22:36 | javier_ | and one last question, how is the H300 player port?? |
| 14:22:42 | HCl | i also see that the short press select button isn't, which means that i can neatly use it to enable my alphabet browsing mode |
| 14:22:44 | XavierGr | idle maybe? |
| 14:22:51 | javier_ | I have read about the state around 18th august |
| 14:23:04 | tucoz | linuxstb: I am writing a table for the keys in pluginsudoku. What are the keybindings for ondio and recorder? |
| 14:23:14 | linuxstb | I'll let amiconn explain... |
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| 14:23:58 | tucoz | Ok |
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| 14:24:40 | tucoz | am1conn: Do you know the keys for sudoku on recorder and ondio? |
| 14:24:43 | Zagor | tucoz: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/plugins/sudoku.c?rev=HEAD&view=markup |
| 14:25:02 | * | HCl looks at his proposal |
| 14:25:04 | tucoz | Zagor: thanks |
| 14:26:00 | HCl | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HClProposalThingy , if anyone's interested |
| 14:26:21 | HCl | i'll be implementing it in a local build either way, so its not gonna be committed unless people will want it to be committed |
| 14:27:18 | tucoz | Are joypress called Select on the iriver? |
| 14:27:53 | HCl | yes |
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| 14:28:25 | linuxstb | tucoz: Check amiconn's CVS commit message - he changed the mapping last night. |
| 14:28:40 | tucoz | linuxstb: i'll do that |
| 14:30:19 | Zagor | HCl: nice page name ;-) |
| 14:30:42 | HCl | Zagor: :p |
| 14:30:53 | Zagor | mind of I rename it BrowseByAlphabet instead? |
| 14:30:58 | HCl | well |
| 14:31:02 | HCl | that sounds really official |
| 14:31:10 | HCl | and i didn't really want to give it an official name |
| 14:31:14 | HCl | till its actually in mainstream rockbox |
| 14:31:35 | HCl | just like how DatabaseV2 used to be named HClProposalThing till it was actually accepted |
| 14:32:06 | Zagor | I think it's better to have descriptive names and instead write in it that it's just a propsal |
| 14:32:19 | HCl | probably |
| 14:32:29 | HCl | i mostly made the wiki for reference for myself |
| 14:32:32 | HCl | but go ahead and rename it |
| 14:33:15 | HCl | i'll add that its a proposal |
| 14:33:15 | HCl | cause it must say that |
| 14:33:26 | Zagor | yes |
| 14:33:46 | Zagor | remove the heading and %TOC% while you're at it |
| 14:34:00 | HCl | :P |
| 14:35:07 | tucoz | Should I call the buttons what the button defines are called? e.g. Iriver play should be called On? |
| 14:35:22 | Zagor | tucoz: are you writing docs? |
| 14:35:35 | tucoz | For the Sudoku plugin |
| 14:35:48 | tucoz | Just the keymappings |
| 14:35:48 | am1conn | tucoz: Sudoku buttons: Recorder: Left/Right/Up/Down - move cursor |
| 14:35:56 | HCl | there |
| 14:36:01 | HCl | i'll be amazed at the person |
| 14:36:09 | am1conn | Play - toggle number (hold Play for repeat) |
| 14:36:11 | HCl | who manages to miss the fact that its a proposal only |
| 14:36:14 | am1conn | F1 - menu |
| 14:36:15 | HCl | :p |
| 14:36:19 | HCl | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BrowseByAlphabet |
| 14:36:20 | Zagor | HCl: :-) |
| 14:36:28 | am1conn | Left/Right/Up/Down - move cursor |
| 14:36:38 | am1conn | Ondio: Left/Right/Up/Down - move cursor |
| 14:37:00 | tucoz | am1conn: See if this is ok. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginSudoku |
| 14:37:06 | am1conn | short Mode - toggle number (once) |
| 14:37:13 | am1conn | long Mode - menu |
| 14:37:28 | am1conn | Mode Down - toggle (hold for repeat) |
| 14:37:39 | tucoz | am1conn: I looked at your commit message, and the button defines in the source |
| 14:37:49 | HCl | bbl |
| 14:37:53 | tucoz | thanks |
| 14:38:07 | linuxstb | tucoz: I think you should move the function column to the left. |
| 14:38:18 | tucoz | ah, true |
| 14:38:22 | linuxstb | ... and put the text in that column in bold. |
| 14:38:51 | linuxstb | But thanks for taking on the documentation task. |
| 14:40:46 | tucoz | Nevermind, thanks for implementing sudoku |
| 14:42:20 | linuxstb | It would be very useful if someone could find links to other .ss files that can be downloaded. Also, the basic rules of Sudoku should probably be there - I'm assuming there are still a few people who don't know them. |
| 14:42:38 | tucoz | linuxstb: we could add a link to wikipedia perhaps? |
| 14:43:21 | linuxstb | Yes - the wikipedia article is v. good. |
| 14:46:16 | tucoz | ok, updated it with a links section. |
| 14:46:28 | tucoz | got to go |
| 14:46:31 | tucoz | see you later |
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| 16:32:18 | tucoz | linuxstb: if you are here, I found a sudoku program written in c, with generator and some other stash. It's in the public domain, so I guess it is ok to use. http://www.laurasia.com.au/sudoku/ |
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| 16:35:18 | tucoz | or if some other feel like adding a generator to the plugin |
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| 16:38:12 | linuxstb | tucoz: Add the link to the Wiki - I'm not planning on doing any more with the Sudoku, but maybe someone else will. |
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| 17:02:59 | [IDC]Dragon | hey Joe |
| 17:04:36 | * | amiconn spots [IDC]Dragon still here |
| 17:06:48 | [IDC]Dragon | or, just re-gaining focus |
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| 17:50:07 | amiconn | Zagor: Is there a reason why you removed the "Index" link from the wiki pages? |
| 17:50:19 | amiconn | That was one of the most useful links... |
| 17:51:06 | * | jonash never uses the index |
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| 17:51:20 | jonash | I assume Zagor didn't either |
| 17:52:33 | amiconn | This link is really useful when you are looking for something, but don't know exactly how the page is called, or where it's linked |
| 17:52:46 | jonash | I usually just use the search |
| 17:52:51 | jonash | it's pretty good at showing suggestions |
| 17:52:58 | jonash | eh, "go to" |
| 17:54:41 | * | amiconn wonders what this browse-by-alphabet thing should be good for... |
| 17:55:04 | jonash | if you have directories with a lot of entreis |
| 17:55:30 | jonash | and want to jump to N |
| 17:55:40 | jonash | or if you're using the db browser |
| 17:55:56 | amiconn | Usually I just scroll through. If there would be really many entries, I would use page up/down |
| 17:56:07 | amiconn | (but my largest dir has some 200-ish entries) |
| 17:56:26 | jonash | Using the db browser in "song mode" gives you a gazillion entries |
| 17:56:52 | amiconn | Browse by alphabet wouldn't help me much, many of my files start with a number |
| 17:57:16 | amiconn | Yes, I know |
| 17:57:33 | amiconn | Personally I don't use the db, except for spotting bad tagging |
| 17:57:43 | jonash | That's true, but if you have lots of songs in one dir, it's likely to be a mixed dir of everything |
| 17:58:36 | amiconn | I think just scrolling through is faster than nested selection |
| 17:58:56 | jonash | speaking of,, playing a song from "Songs" list just crashed |
| 17:58:57 | jonash | no |
| 17:59:06 | jonash | it just sat there with harddisk activity, then stopped |
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| 18:00:37 | amiconn | I can scroll through the whole 200-ish file dir in less than 10 seconds, and I can clearly see the changing first letter while the list is scrolling by |
| 18:01:23 | jonash | Ah. After 2 minutes of furious harddisk activity, a completely unrelated song started playing |
| 18:02:22 | amiconn | Scrolling through the whole songs list (~3000 songs) takes <30 seconds |
| 18:02:36 | amiconn | (on archos. Iriver should be a bit faster...) |
| 18:03:54 | amiconn | Starting a song from the db browser takes some time and produces heavy disk access, yes |
| 18:04:08 | amiconn | But it started the right song after ~10 seconds here :) |
| 18:04:18 | jonash | Maybe because I was starting the "last" song? |
| 18:04:46 | jonash | It was an off-by-one thing, and I have some odd tags, might be that |
| 18:04:56 | jonash | odd/broken |
| 18:05:14 | amiconn | Last song worked here, even faster than the other one... |
| 18:05:24 | amiconn | Perhaps there's an iriver-specific bug |
| 18:05:45 | jonash | Maybe. Or maybe my db is just a wreck |
| 18:07:10 | amiconn | Hmm. Rockbox composes a weird playlist when starting a song from the db browser.... |
| 18:07:30 | amiconn | Seems that this is the reason for the heavy disk activity |
| 18:08:34 | amiconn | Basically it treats the "songs" folder as a real folger, and tries to build the standard folder playlist |
| 18:08:56 | amiconn | Of course it's not complete, because the whole list doesn't fit in the dir buffer |
| 18:09:14 | jonash | My dir buffer is probably set higher than yours |
| 18:09:19 | jonash | explaining the longer activity |
| 18:09:40 | amiconn | I've set max files in dir to 500, and that's the size of the generated playlist |
| 18:09:48 | jonash | I think mine's 1500 |
| 18:10:25 | jonash | Why's that governed by the dir buffer anyway, and not the max playlist size? |
| 18:10:27 | amiconn | The db browser "segments" the contents when it doesn't fit at once. The playlist is the whole 500-song segment... |
| 18:10:47 | jonash | ah |
| 18:10:52 | amiconn | This is because the db browser works as a virtual dir browser |
| 18:11:05 | jonash | yeah, got it |
| 18:11:14 | amiconn | The playlist buffer can't be used for that, since it's way too small |
| 18:12:18 | amiconn | The internal playlist representation is just one int per entry, that's how we can support 10000s of playlist entries even on archos, and load playlists that quick |
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| 18:17:23 | * | amiconn just got an occasion of trapped-in-subdir after leaving id3 browser mode... |
| 18:17:41 | amiconn | Zagor: Wasn't that effect supposed to be gone? |
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| 19:01:59 | linuxstb | Anyone know why the "AUTOROCK" feature is in the code? (just curious...) |
| 19:02:15 | rasher | Autorock? |
| 19:02:23 | linuxstb | Look it apps/main.c |
| 19:02:28 | linuxstb | s/it/in/ |
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| 19:03:06 | rasher | huh |
| 19:04:51 | rasher | I guess we ask [IDC]Dragon |
| 19:05:11 | rasher | http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/main.c?annotate=1.141 - his work it seems |
| 19:05:20 | webguest02 | hey, congrats for the 2.5 version |
| 19:05:34 | webguest02 | gotta test the ALAC |
| 19:06:59 | amiconn | linuxstb: There are some features that are in the code, but not built as part of the official "collection" |
| 19:07:00 | rasher | Looking forward to Slasheri's recording work. And fs cache |
| 19:07:09 | amiconn | Mostly because some of the devs use it |
| 19:07:26 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, I guessed it was that. I was just curious about it. |
| 19:07:36 | amiconn | There are others: |
| 19:08:19 | amiconn | * Disk poweroff for players (doesn't work reliable on all boxes, but mine can handle it) * Backlight support for Ondio (requires hardware hack - [IDC]Dragon) |
| 19:08:58 | amiconn | * 8 MB mod (some of the possible combinations are built officially) |
| 19:09:13 | rasher | Couldn't the disk poweroff be runtime dependent on the disk model? |
| 19:09:26 | rasher | or is it more involved than that? |
| 19:09:27 | amiconn | It's not a question of disk model |
| 19:09:43 | rasher | Okay |
| 19:09:57 | amiconn | HD poweroff crashes some players when re-enabling disk power, for whatever reason |
| 19:10:04 | rasher | Ah |
| 19:10:05 | amiconn | You can ask Linus... |
| 19:10:50 | amiconn | My player does have the otherwise "bad" Hitachi disk, but handles disk poweroff well |
| 19:11:14 | amiconn | Very old players don't have the disk poweroff hardware, the disk is always powered |
| 19:11:21 | amiconn | (but that's detectable) |
| 19:12:02 | amiconn | The player flash bootloader does this detection, and doesn't enable the charging screen for these very old players |
| 19:12:31 | amiconn | (that's still untested, but I hope to be able to test flashing such a veryoldplayer soon) |
| 19:17:29 | * | [IDC]Dragon wakes up, reads his name |
| 19:17:40 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Morning ;) |
| 19:18:31 | [IDC]Dragon | linuxstb, rasher: I made the autorock definition to autostart my Alpine emulator plugin |
| 19:18:49 | rasher | ah |
| 19:18:51 | [IDC]Dragon | should be a CFG_xxx definition now |
| 19:19:01 | [IDC]Dragon | for extra defines |
| 19:19:19 | rasher | or you could turn your player into a really expensive solitaire machine |
| 19:19:52 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, just copy rename a plugin |
| 19:21:31 | [IDC]Dragon | that alpine emulator runs in the background, unless you start another plugin |
| 19:22:05 | [IDC]Dragon | other remote control plugins are feasible |
| 19:23:10 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: I still have the 2nd EL foil... |
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| 19:23:41 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Yes I know, wanted to ask you about that (plus that EL driver chip) |
| 19:23:52 | amiconn | The other components shouldn't be a problem |
| 19:23:57 | [IDC]Dragon | I also have plenty of chips |
| 19:24:15 | [IDC]Dragon | the inductor and the diode are a bit difficult |
| 19:24:30 | [IDC]Dragon | ah, and the capacitor |
| 19:24:46 | [IDC]Dragon | because it requires a 100V type |
| 19:25:38 | [IDC]Dragon | gotta leave, cu |
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| 21:52:50 | webguest41 | hey guys! yay rockbox 2.5 is out |
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| 21:53:01 | lImbus | hi all |
| 21:53:19 | webguest41 | Still having charging problems since 2.4 (2.5, too) |
| 21:53:48 | webguest41 | I have 2300mAh batteries but rockbox cherges them for only 20 minutes and then shows 100% lol |
| 21:53:49 | Mxm`Pas`Bien | no 2.5relase for iriver? o_o |
| 21:54:01 | rasher | Mxm`Pas`Bien: that was never the plan |
| 21:54:04 | Mxm`Pas`Bien | ah ok |
| 21:54:06 | | Nick Mxm`Pas`Bien is now known as Maxime (n=flemmard@fbx.flemmard.net) |
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| 21:54:09 | | Nick Maxime is now known as Maxime` (n=flemmard@fbx.flemmard.net) |
| 21:55:14 | webguest41 | I damage both my batteries and the jukebox when always charging the batteries with an external charger because of putting them in and out all the time |
| 21:55:17 | webguest41 | :((( |
| 21:56:14 | rasher | webguest41: I don't really know anything about the charging. Neither old-charging nor new-charging, but there's a document in the wiki.. hang on |
| 21:56:35 | webguest41 | I already red it! |
| 21:56:57 | webguest41 | But does not help. It says rockbox 2.5 should help but it does not |
| 21:57:06 | rasher | are these new batteries, btw? |
| 21:57:12 | webguest41 | BTW the archos firmware charges them nearly fully |
| 21:57:25 | webguest41 | 4 months |
| 21:57:30 | rasher | Take it up on the mailinglist, I think the author of the charging rework follows it |
| 21:57:37 | rasher | don't think he comes round on irc |
| 21:57:42 | webguest41 | not used often |
| 21:57:55 | webguest41 | hm ok |
| 21:58:05 | webguest41 | I already posted it in the forums (vpn-user) |
| 21:58:06 | rasher | of course, some of the "elders" here should be able to give ideas as well |
| 21:59:23 | webguest41 | I think its because the batteries reach their peak voltage very fast when charged |
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| 21:59:59 | rasher | Hm, that sounds likely |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:11 | rasher | at least to me |
| 22:00:19 | webguest41 | do you think there is something wrong with the batteries? |
| 22:00:24 | webguest41 | haven' t tried others |
| 22:00:45 | rasher | I don't know much about batteries/charging |
| 22:00:51 | rasher | So I couldn't possibly tell |
| 22:01:00 | webguest41 | but i don' t want to buy 2600er just to find out that they have the same problem :( |
| 22:01:04 | webguest41 | ok |
| 22:01:05 | rasher | I'll just string you along and wait for someone knowledgable to come around |
| 22:01:13 | | Nick solexx_ is now known as solex (n=jrschulz@d052231.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 22:01:16 | webguest41 | thanx |
| 22:01:28 | | Nick solex is now known as solexx (n=jrschulz@d052231.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 22:01:33 | rasher | Maybe amiconn will come 'round if I mention his name? |
| 22:01:50 | webguest41 | BTW I really __LOVE_ rockbox |
| 22:02:03 | webguest41 | I use it since beta 1 or so |
| 22:02:22 | webguest41 | That time even the archos firmware was better :) |
| 22:03:34 | rasher | Maxime`: I'm thinking iriver might be the milestone of 2.6 (purely personal speculation - not any sort of official plan) |
| 22:03:44 | Maxime` | yup |
| 22:04:34 | rasher | Depending on how much progress is done |
| 22:04:54 | rasher | Either that, or another archos-only release in a few months |
| 22:05:21 | rasher | without any long feature freeze |
| 22:13:33 | Moos | Hi guys! |
| 22:13:46 | Moos | any ondio user here? |
| 22:14:01 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 22:15:54 | Moos | I just saw one in on shop here in Paris (never see any ondio before in the market here) for 50 euros |
| 22:16:19 | Moos | is it one good price? I'm surpised by his size, very smal |
| 22:16:19 | rasher | That's not a lot |
| 22:16:48 | rasher | It can hardly get much cheaper than that, can it? |
| 22:18:38 | Moos | probably not |
| 22:18:55 | Moos | it's because I'll probably buy one tomorrow :) |
| 22:19:03 | rasher | How much RAM do they have? 128? |
| 22:19:06 | Moos | and one SD card at 1GO |
| 22:19:12 | Moos | yes |
| 22:19:22 | Moos | with SD card possibility |
| 22:19:33 | rasher | Of course, once you ad SD cards, they get a lot more expensive |
| 22:20:04 | Moos | maybe the card will cost more than the player :D |
| 22:20:19 | Moos | but sure I will found a good buisness |
| 22:20:56 | Moos | Archos is french but not a lot of users here :) |
| 22:21:21 | Moos | and in the market too |
| 22:23:19 | Moos | a part amiconn, are they fex ondio Rockbox user or developers? |
| 22:23:34 | Moos | *few |
| 22:24:30 | Moos | amiconn: u there? |
| 22:24:41 | rasher | [IDC]Dragon is the other ondio developer |
| 22:25:22 | Moos | hey, I forget him :) and he is important of them |
| 22:26:53 | Moos | difference betwen ondio fm and sp is just the FM radio? |
| 22:27:16 | rasher | Pretty much, I think |
| 22:27:25 | Moos | ok |
| 22:27:39 | rasher | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart |
| 22:27:52 | Moos | hehe :) |
| 22:28:04 | rasher | the FM will record - not sure which sources |
| 22:28:15 | Moos | oh |
| 22:28:26 | Moos | pitty I saw one ondio SP |
| 22:28:30 | webguest41 | everything at once :) |
| 22:28:38 | rasher | Don't know if it has a line-in or if it'll just record FM |
| 22:28:38 | Moos | but I've got my iriver h140 too ;) |
| 22:28:50 | Moos | ah |
| 22:29:23 | lImbus | allow me to step in. Ondio SP is SimplyPlayer |
| 22:29:34 | lImbus | the fm is recorder for incorporated mic and line in as well |
| 22:29:45 | rasher | Excellent, someone who knows things |
| 22:29:45 | lImbus | (I got both) |
| 22:29:51 | lImbus | eheh |
| 22:29:52 | Moos | ok thanks |
| 22:29:57 | Moos | :) |
| 22:30:13 | lImbus | you're welcome |
| 22:30:28 | Moos | I didn't know they are still in market |
| 22:30:45 | lImbus | ebay is always a market |
| 22:30:52 | Moos | true |
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| 22:32:04 | Moos | limbus: but "des fois il y a des petites surprises, la roue tourne" :) |
| 22:32:16 | Moos | thanks for french translations ;) |
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| 22:32:29 | Moos | in Rockbox |
| 22:32:33 | lImbus | you ask me to translate ? |
| 22:33:02 | Moos | no, I thank you for your translations made in Rb firmware :) |
| 22:33:07 | lImbus | oh |
| 22:33:09 | lImbus | I see |
| 22:33:25 | lImbus | you're welcome again. it's a pleasure for me |
| 22:33:36 | Moos | little detail, the ReplayGain translation |
| 22:33:55 | lImbus | yes? |
| 22:33:58 | Moos | for me ReplayGain is it patent and don't change with languages |
| 22:34:08 | Moos | ;) |
| 22:34:12 | lImbus | mmhmmyes |
| 22:34:18 | lImbus | I'vee been thinking about. |
| 22:34:22 | * | rasher strongly disagrees |
| 22:34:40 | lImbus | on one hand yes, on the other hand, you could drive the english version then as well |
| 22:34:49 | rasher | I believe the translation should make it evident to the user what it's doiing |
| 22:34:49 | Moos | "adaptation du volume" is like volume adaptation in english and isn't ;) |
| 22:34:55 | Moos | rasher; why? |
| 22:35:06 | Moos | yes it's true |
| 22:35:09 | lImbus | (english is my third or fourth language, and I am always running the english) |
| 22:35:16 | rasher | Because that's what translations are for - to make people who don't speak the language able to use it |
| 22:35:19 | Moos | but for me is one question of respect |
| 22:35:43 | rasher | I changed ID3 in some place as well. |
| 22:35:45 | Moos | it's true again |
| 22:35:52 | lImbus | there is probably a better translation, I agree. But not translating is seldom a better way |
| 22:35:54 | rasher | because it really isn't very descriptive |
| 22:36:20 | Moos | rasher: how want you any user use RG if he don't know what is it |
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| 22:36:41 | Moos | if he is taged RG some files |
| 22:36:44 | rasher | of course, it'll make more sense to technical users if we left such things untranslated |
| 22:36:53 | Moos | =he know what ReplayGain is |
| 22:37:17 | Moos | ReplayGain need to create id3tag info |
| 22:37:31 | Moos | if the user do it with foobar... |
| 22:37:48 | Moos | why "adaptation du volume" is needed? |
| 22:37:53 | Moos | just wondering :) |
| 22:38:18 | lImbus | what's the translation of RG in foobar ? |
| 22:38:22 | lImbus | that's the question |
| 22:38:36 | Moos | Replay Gain is in foobar |
| 22:38:43 | lImbus | in french ? |
| 22:38:58 | lImbus | we should not bother about problems that occur because users either know to much of technics nor use too much english |
| 22:39:14 | Moos | no I've got foobar in english :) |
| 22:39:16 | lImbus | myself decided to have the rockbox in english for THAT reason |
| 22:39:26 | Moos | :) |
| 22:40:08 | Moos | anyone will use ReplayGain if he don't know it |
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| 22:40:18 | Moos | no? |
| 22:40:22 | lImbus | true |
| 22:40:25 | Moos | logic |
| 22:41:03 | Moos | but like I said few lines before is it just one detail ;) |
| 22:41:17 | lImbus | hehe |
| 22:41:24 | Moos | :) |
| 22:41:50 | lImbus | I would bother if I'd cvs commit access. i'm not going to submit a patch for that in the tracker, even if rasher and I would agree :D |
| 22:42:11 | rasher | Moos: could be some ripping programs added RG tags |
| 22:42:25 | Moos | yes it's true |
| 22:42:29 | rasher | lImbus: I'd commit it anyway. I'm not going to play language-cop |
| 22:42:41 | rasher | But I still disagree. |
| 22:42:43 | lImbus | hehe |
| 22:42:48 | Moos | but generally user need to choose the option, never see it by default |
| 22:42:48 | lImbus | heheČ |
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| 22:49:42 | Dan|2 | hi |
| 22:49:42 | rasher | evening t0mas |
| 22:49:45 | t0mas | hi |
| 22:49:49 | t0mas | warm welcome ;) |
| 22:49:51 | Moos | llmbus: pv msg |
| 22:49:52 | Dan|2 | my iriver |
| 22:49:54 | rasher | And you, Dan|2 |
| 22:49:57 | Moos | hi t0mas |
| 22:49:59 | Dan|2 | is frozen on reading file system |
| 22:50:07 | t0mas | hi Moos, rasher and Dan|2 |
| 22:50:09 | t0mas | :) |
| 22:50:09 | rasher | Dan|2: this is a faq |
| 22:50:15 | Moos | :) |
| 22:50:17 | Dan|2 | i booted into the iriver firmware |
| 22:50:21 | Dan|2 | well |
| 22:50:28 | Dan|2 | how the hell do i turn it off? |
| 22:50:40 | t0mas | Dan|2: I had that too |
| 22:50:45 | t0mas | use the reset button |
| 22:50:51 | t0mas | or wait for the batts to run empty |
| 22:50:59 | Moos | :( |
| 22:51:03 | Dan|2 | reset button, located where? |
| 22:51:06 | rasher | Dan|2: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverFAQ#The_original_firmware_no_longer |
| 22:51:07 | t0mas | (they might be already almost empty... that makes the iriver fw hang sometimes) |
| 22:51:18 | rasher | Dan|2: next to the usb port |
| 22:51:21 | rasher | small hole |
| 22:51:23 | t0mas | jup |
| 22:51:26 | t0mas | use a paperclip |
| 22:51:28 | rasher | use something wide - not a pin |
| 22:51:36 | Moos | I just noticed few months don't used iriver fw :D |
| 22:52:01 | Dan|2 | got it |
| 22:52:06 | Dan|2 | brb |
| 22:52:10 | t0mas | hm... and if it doesn't boot, even after fully recharing batteries... please make a raw drive image and find some way to upload it here |
| 22:52:15 | t0mas | and then format the drive |
| 22:52:27 | t0mas | (oh and tell us what the last disk operation you did from rockbox was) |
| 22:52:28 | rasher | a raw image... of a 20/40gb plaer? |
| 22:52:34 | t0mas | rasher: I really want one |
| 22:52:46 | Moos | lImbus: are you registred? |
| 22:52:59 | t0mas | I imaged mine with dd before I fixed it... but I lost the image in a "cleaning" cycle at work |
| 22:53:07 | rasher | t0mas: I understand this, but.. |
| 22:53:10 | lImbus | Moos, registered where ? in freenode, yes |
| 22:53:17 | t0mas | someone didn't like the 20 GB file on a network drive :P |
| 22:53:36 | Moos | lImbus: don't see my pvs? ;) |
| 22:53:41 | rasher | should've transferred the image on your iriver... wait. |
| 22:53:43 | Dan|2 | yay |
| 22:53:52 | rasher | Dan|2: what happened? |
| 22:54:10 | t0mas | rasher: but we need some image of a crashed iriver FW, so we can find out what rockbox does to the disk that iriver doesn't like |
| 22:54:11 | Dan|2 | hit reset |
| 22:54:16 | Dan|2 | it booted into rockbox |
| 22:54:24 | Dan|2 | then i shut it down and booted it into iriver |
| 22:54:27 | Dan|2 | and it works |
| 22:54:35 | rasher | You lucked out, it seems |
| 22:54:45 | Dan|2 | yea |
| 22:54:54 | rasher | Sometimes it's a "broken" filesystem and the iriver firmware will not boot no matter what you do |
| 22:55:07 | Dan|2 | is it supposed to make a high pitched whistle when it starts? |
| 22:55:15 | Dan|2 | Hd probably |
| 22:55:44 | t0mas | rasher: have we found more cases? or just mine? |
| 22:55:51 | rasher | t0mas: Mine did it |
| 22:55:54 | t0mas | ok |
| 22:56:00 | t0mas | we really need an image of such a drive |
| 22:56:12 | Dan|2 | when mine does it, ill upload |
| 22:56:15 | rasher | And it's been reported a few times on misticriver |
| 22:56:16 | Dan|2 | or mail it |
| 22:56:17 | t0mas | just to find out what's wrong with it... (linux chkdsk didn't think there was a problem) |
| 22:56:32 | rasher | Neither did scandisk, iirc |
| 22:56:39 | rasher | in my case anyway. |
| 22:56:44 | t0mas | Dan|2: best would be to compress it and write it to 3 or 4 DVD's |
| 22:56:52 | Dan|2 | yea |
| 22:57:12 | t0mas | rasher: we can ask the next user to remove all music from the drive with windows delete... |
| 22:57:14 | Dan|2 | im still kinda worried about the high whistling |
| 22:57:17 | t0mas | then check if it still doesn't work |
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| 22:57:22 | Dan|2 | and it gets hot(ish) |
| 22:57:26 | rasher | t0mas: it did for me |
| 22:57:27 | t0mas | and ask em to send us a compressed image |
| 22:57:28 | Dan|2 | yea it works |
| 22:57:33 | Dan|2 | its always done that |
| 22:57:45 | Dan|2 | bbiab tv |
| 22:57:49 | t0mas | rasher: it was fixed by deleting? |
| 22:57:53 | rasher | Yes |
| 22:57:55 | t0mas | ah ok |
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| 22:58:04 | * | Dan|away Away: [T.V] |
| 22:58:08 | t0mas | I just formatted the drive... |
| 22:58:08 | rasher | I believe so at least, it was quite a few months ago |
| 22:58:16 | rasher | don't think I formatted |
| 22:58:37 | t0mas | well... then we really need all data... so we can't compress much |
| 22:59:00 | rasher | Probably not, no |
| 22:59:07 | lImbus | Jonas, is there anything else than adapting MissingAttachments if I upload the attachments for TerraTecM3Po now ? |
| 22:59:20 | rasher | lImbus: no, there's no list elsewhere |
| 22:59:26 | lImbus | kay |
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| 23:02:42 | lImbus | rasher: thanks for the rebuilding work already done |
| 23:03:11 | rasher | No problem, just doing my part |
| 23:03:18 | mongey | hi |
| 23:04:02 | rasher | hi mongey |
| 23:04:40 | mongey | rasher? are u on MR |
| 23:04:45 | rasher | Yes. |
| 23:04:52 | mongey | name |
| 23:04:56 | rasher | rasher. |
| 23:05:07 | rasher | Why? |
| 23:05:15 | mongey | MR name |
| 23:05:20 | rasher | rasher. |
| 23:05:23 | mongey | oh |
| 23:05:26 | mongey | woops |
| 23:05:29 | mongey | my bad |
| 23:05:43 | mongey | are u contributing to rockbox |
| 23:06:03 | rasher | A bit |
| 23:06:59 | mongey | do you know much bout it |
| 23:07:54 | rasher | Depends what.. why don't you just ask whatever question you have and we'll see if I or anyone else can answer it? |
| 23:09:41 | mongey | well ok, when will work start on the h300's, lcd stuff so we can see evidence of rockbox on the h300 |
| 23:11:12 | rasher | Whenever someone writes a bootloader, work will begin on the LCD driver, and when that's done, most things should happen quite quickly |
| 23:11:24 | rasher | The bootloader is currently in the hands of Linus |
| 23:11:36 | rasher | Anyone's free to write one of course |
| 23:11:55 | Moos | Linus will be probably again the guy when he will have time :) |
| 23:12:37 | mongey | how long(estimate) will the bootloader take |
| 23:12:51 | Moos | anyone know |
| 23:13:31 | Moos | same Linus does not know |
| 23:14:26 | mongey | wat new features will be implimented |
| 23:15:01 | Moos | you know the creativity of the developers ;) |
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| 23:15:39 | Moos | hi HCl |
| 23:18:12 | mongey | moos |
| 23:18:37 | Moos | yeah? |
| 23:18:48 | mongey | wat type of stuff |
| 23:19:16 | Moos | we can imagine maybe video stuff for examples |
| 23:19:30 | Moos | that depand |
| 23:19:43 | mongey | well i was told that it will be in grayscale |
| 23:20:07 | Moos | how many developers will be in H3xx part especialy, h1xx stuff is for h3xx too |
| 23:20:45 | Moos | the colors will be great for Rockbox and again one new step like always ;) |
| 23:20:57 | mongey | ye |
| 23:21:14 | mongey | will there be pictures and music at the same time |
| 23:21:18 | Moos | the patience is needed ;) |
| 23:21:35 | rasher | mongey: why wouldn't there be? |
| 23:22:24 | lImbus | rasher: TerraTecM3Po is fixed |
| 23:22:35 | rasher | lImbus: excellent, not that much to go now |
| 23:22:46 | mongey | gtg |
| 23:22:47 | lImbus | was not that much work for me as well |
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| 23:30:57 | rasher | Zagor? |
| 23:31:23 | Zagor | here |
| 23:32:16 | rasher | Can you check the shortcut cvs aliases? I think rockbox or rockbox-devel is wrong |
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| 23:33:05 | Zagor | wrong how? |
| 23:33:33 | rasher | hang on, I haven't tested, I just remembered that I had some problems half a year ago |
| 23:33:39 | rasher | can't remember exactly what it was |
| 23:35:41 | rasher | well, that worked fine |
| 23:35:43 | rasher | hrm |
| 23:36:22 | rasher | Maybe it was the bootloader. Which really isn't important anymore |
| 23:36:37 | rasher | and in fact shouldn't be included |
| 23:37:07 | rasher | Zagor: I'm going to say nevermind. |
| 23:37:12 | Zagor | ok |
| 23:38:28 | rasher | ah, rockbox-devel even includes bootloader |
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| 23:41:48 | rasher | Zagor: Maybe it was something that got fixed, I'm pretty sure there was something wrong back then, ages ago |
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| 23:44:42 | * | Dan|2 Back: [T.V] |
| 23:44:48 | | Nick Dan|2 is now known as Dan (i=Bollocks@tredwell.plus.com) |
| 23:44:51 | Dan | :) |
| 23:50:37 | | Join TiMiD[FD] [0] (n=TiMiD[FD@asgard.valombre.net) |
| 23:50:44 | TiMiD[FD] | hi! |
| 23:51:03 | rasher | evening TiMiD[FD] |
| 23:54:54 | rasher | HCl: you there? |
| 23:55:11 | TiMiD[FD] | are there any devs here ? |
| 23:55:32 | TiMiD[FD] | (hi rasher :) ) |
| 23:55:49 | rasher | I think Zagor's around |
| 23:56:15 | TiMiD[FD] | ok |
| 23:56:16 | rasher | What are you after? |
| 23:56:30 | TiMiD[FD] | it's about the remote |
| 23:56:48 | TiMiD[FD] | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1438.15 |
| 23:57:47 | rasher | Ah |
| 23:57:49 | TiMiD[FD] | I thought that before foing a patch it would worth it to discuss with some dev |
| 23:57:54 | Zagor | TiMiD[FD]: the remote and main display will not be completely separated (do different things) |
| 23:57:55 | rasher | I think amiconn's had the most thought on this |
| 23:58:06 | TiMiD[FD] | ok |
| 23:58:38 | TiMiD[FD] | I had differents ideas about the implementation, but I don't want to go eyes closed |
| 23:58:39 | Zagor | if would make the core code more complex than it's worth |
| 23:58:52 | TiMiD[FD] | muti-thread is sure a little heavy |
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