#rockbox 2005-09-29

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#rockbox log for 2005-09-29

00:00:10	amiconn	...and we have 2^31 milliseconds
00:00:34	CoCoLUS	that sounds... reasonable
00:00:40	amiconn	That means exactly 8 bits per millisecond, or 8000 bits per second
00:00:43	CoCoLUS	most likely i typoed.
00:03:10		Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org")
00:03:35	preglow	amiconn: but the idea you had about using the rest of the codec buffer for malloc memory might work
00:03:51	preglow	except for codecs like faad which are both huge AND malloc hungry, of course...
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00:07:58	XavierGr	ok here another problem that it gets on my nerves. While I think I have solved it all goes wrong.
00:08:29	XavierGr	I load a filename and I want to compare if it has the "/.rockbox/presets/ in it.
00:09:18	XavierGr	so i type: if(!strncmp(buf, "/.rockbox/presets/", 18))
00:09:38	XavierGr	is this thought right?
00:11:38	preglow	you lack a prettyfing space after the 'if', but apart from that it looks decent
00:11:40	preglow	:)
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00:13:07	XavierGr	does the space matter, I think not. Or do you like spaces after an if?
00:13:22	preglow	no, of course not, just me joking around
00:14:19	XavierGr	because in some of the code that I write I can see someone who wants to put a space after an if. Could be you... :p
00:16:17	preglow	oh, i like generous whitespace
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00:20:26	XavierGr	pfff it doesn't work. It always thinks that this string isn't inside buf.
00:20:37	XavierGr	I hate C when these things happen.
00:24:58	linuxstb	XavierGr: Does gcc give you any warnings?
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00:29:56	zaZZ	Hi, does anyone know if anyone's working on an iriver version of Rockbox 2.5? thx
00:30:05	rasher	ther
00:30:15	rasher	there'll be no iriver version of 2.5
00:30:23	TiMiD	XavierGr: try a debugf(bu);
00:30:29	zaZZ	oh?why not?
00:30:38	rasher	Because we
00:30:45	TiMiD	just to see if the value is good
00:30:49	rasher	Because we're past 2.5 now, and iriver is still not ready.
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00:31:21	zaZZ	You mean you still work on iriver in general?
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00:31:29	rasher	sure
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00:31:43	zaZZ	,00:,00) ok thank you.
00:32:02	rasher	but it'll just get released along with another release, possibly 2.6
00:32:25	linuxstb	I think it'll be worth a 3.0
00:32:35	rasher	true
00:32:44	zaZZ	I see. do u know when a new release is due?
00:33:01	rasher	well, either in 2 months, of if the iriver release is close, slightly longer
00:33:40	preglow	i think it's definitely worth a 3.0, at least if we merge archos and iriver playback code
00:33:42	rasher	but if iriver is nowhere near ready in 2 months, there'll probably be another archos only rlease
00:33:56	XavierGr	TiMiD: I just typed if(!strcmp(buf,buf) and again it refuse to enter the if.
00:34:29	zaZZ	i see. thanks.keep up the good work.
00:35:21	linuxstb	XavierGr: Are you running on the sim or a real device?
00:35:42	linuxstb	(It shouldn't matter though)
00:36:18	XavierGr	sim
00:36:41	TiMiD	oO
00:37:05	XavierGr	I deleted the whole compilation I will build again.
00:37:09	TiMiD	well you know, programming makes me too loose my hairs :)
00:37:18	TiMiD	hair
00:37:24	linuxstb	Does DEBUGF("%s\n",buf); display the buffer as you would expect?
00:37:27	XavierGr	in some cases indeed.
00:37:39	XavierGr	I will try that.
00:38:00	linuxstb	JUst add lots of those lines around the troublesome code - you'll quickly spot the problem.
00:38:15	XavierGr	something is wrong with the build. Because I use some splashes for debugging, but the text I put is different from the displayed.
00:38:50	linuxstb	Maybe you have some buffer overflows somewhere?
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00:39:24	XavierGr	I mean different not garbage. It displays text from previous compilations
00:39:45	preglow	...
00:40:28	TiMiD	did you do the make clean ?
00:40:45	XavierGr	I am using a make -k due to the alac errors
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00:41:15	rasher	have you not re-run configure yet?
00:41:33	linuxstb	XavierGr: Just delete your build directory and start again.
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00:42:52	linuxstb	Maybe the source code you are changing has an error - make -k would just continue and you may not spot the error message.
00:43:26	XavierGr	I do make -k only the first time.
00:43:35	XavierGr	then I simple make.
00:43:43	XavierGr	and always displays 2 alac errors
00:44:16	linuxstb	Why don't you want to start again with a clean build directory? Just to rule that out as a problem.
00:44:40	XavierGr	very strange. I build again and those splashes still display the old text. You must think I am crazy!
00:45:32	XavierGr	wait,
00:46:03	rasher	we must think you are not doing clean builds
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00:46:45	XavierGr	well forget the splashes. It seems that I am crazy :P , but the problem with the strcmp remains.
00:46:58	XavierGr	strcmp returns 0 if the strings are equal right?
00:47:09	linuxstb	Yes.
00:47:17	XavierGr	so !strcmp(buf,buf) == 1
00:48:00	linuxstb	In theory. Try strncmp - maybe "buf" isn't zero-terminated.
00:48:20	linuxstb	Forget that. They must be.
00:48:21	XavierGr	grrrrrrr I am an asshole!!!!!!
00:48:26	preglow	congratulations, then
00:48:46	XavierGr	I am sitting 30 minutes know and I waste your and my time
00:49:06	XavierGr	I had typed strcpy instead of strcmp!!!!
00:49:20	preglow	ahahhaha
00:49:31	preglow	nice one
00:49:51	XavierGr	it's getting late and it seems my eyes are tricking me.
00:50:08	XavierGr	at last
00:50:17	XavierGr	now I will test the real code.
00:51:00	linuxstb	In anticipation of XavierGr's patch - has anyone written a script to get all the presets from the Wiki page yet?
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00:51:42	TiMiD[zzzZZ]	good night !
00:51:49	XavierGr	bye!
00:52:11	rasher	linuxstb: nope, but I set it up to make it reasonably easy
00:52:12	XavierGr	a script to download all presets?
00:52:19	TiMiD[zzzZZ]	and stop coding XavierGr, it will be better to do this tomorrow I think :p
00:52:53	XavierGr	maybe you are right, I will test this and go to sleep.
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01:00:39	preglow	i bet the fact that the dither routine is called _per sample_ doesn't help in it being wildly inefficient
01:01:27	preglow	and again, another case where both stereo streams should be done in one pass
01:02:52	markun	linuxstb: about your root-menu idea: maybe we can use the menu (a-b) button to always go to this menu and have a seperate 'settings' entry there. Or is this exactly what you planned?
01:03:22	preglow	i'd guess so
01:05:38	markun	I like it. It's more intuitive to always use the same button the switch 'tasks' (unlike rockbox does now)
01:06:21	markun	.. to switch ..
01:08:39	preglow	yes, i think i agree
01:08:46	preglow	though i'd need to try it out to be certain
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01:09:20	linuxstb	The way I'm thinking of it working is that you don't launch the menu from Screen A, you exit Screen A, which then drops you back into the main.
01:10:18	linuxstb	i.e. make it a proper menu that everything is launched from.
01:10:23	linuxstb	But I'm still playing with it.
01:12:15	markun	linuxstb: you might want to switch to settings and then continue browsing where you left of.. If it's a proper menu this will take much more time.
01:14:16	markun	linuxstb: or make it both work: the menu is the root of all the items, but a-b jumps to the menu imediately.
01:14:37	linuxstb	I think my approach will be to remove most of these shortcuts, so we have a sort-of stripped-down Rockbox - where everything is available via a menu, but not via shortcuts. We can then think about the best way to add them back in.
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01:20:05	]RowaN[	guys excuse my ignorance, what is the signifigance of the latest update "iRiver: Make it possible to build Rockbox using GCC 4.0.1."
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01:21:19	linuxstb	Before that patch, Rockbox would only compile with gcc 3.4.x It will now compile with gcc 4.0.1 - the latest version.
01:22:14	fuzzie	except, unsurprisingly, faad2 chokes :P
01:22:35	linuxstb	faad2 chokes with everything.
01:23:29	linuxstb	If you're still trying to fix ICE errors, one solution I found was to make sure that any arithmetic used either all signed values, or all unsigned values - never mixing them.
01:24:17	fuzzie	4.0.2 seems to solve the ICE issues
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09:16:12	linuxstb	Hello logbot.
09:18:33	Paul_The_Nerd	Woo!
09:18:35	Paul_The_Nerd	Welcome back logbot.
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09:21:04	webguest76	hi guys
09:21:20	webguest76	wanted to let you know, that twiki has another vulnerability
09:21:33	webguest76	see http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/64408
09:21:44	webguest76	or http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/SecurityAlertExecuteCommandsWithInclude
09:22:29	Zagor	i'm taking it down until examined
09:22:38	Zagor	thanks for the report
09:22:55	B4gder	announced publicly yday
09:23:32	Zagor	for some reason their mail list doesn't reach me. i'll try resubscribing.
09:26:07	webguest76	you're welcome
09:26:57	linuxstb	Zagor; The site now looks like we've been hacked again :).
09:27:07	Zagor	yeah, but better safe than sorry
09:27:29	linuxstb	Of course.
09:27:50	linuxstb	I just got a nasty feeling of deja-vu when trying to access the Twiki...
09:27:57	B4gder	hehe
09:29:39	linuxstb	Seems the bug was posted to the security list 2 weeks ago (14 Sept).
09:30:02	B4gder	yeps
09:30:20	B4gder	friendly user who posts it in public at once
09:30:21	linuxstb	So we've been lucky this time.
09:32:15	linuxstb	It seems the security list is private - it only allows the public to post, not to read.
09:32:20	webguest76	i hope we have a backup now anyways...
09:32:38	B4gder	nah, we proved we don't need backups! ;-P
09:32:45	*	B4gder ducks
09:32:49	Zagor	we're using a debian version which is heavily patch to avoid these holes happening, so it's not certain we're vulnerable at all. but I have to verify.
09:32:52	linuxstb	Tell rasher that :)
09:33:00	Zagor	(we're NOW using :-))
09:33:02	webguest76	google cache is our backup ! ;-)
09:33:15	B4gder	the google distributed backup system
09:34:40	Paul_The_Nerd	Hehehe
09:34:53	Paul_The_Nerd	I imagine you'll see that as a service one day
09:35:16	Paul_The_Nerd	Someone companies can hire to search google caches and other similar locations to restore wrecked websites with ineffective or also wrecked backups.
09:36:38	webguest76	:-D
09:40:56	Zagor	"invalid number argument at /usr/share/perl5/TWiki.pm line 3339." we're safe
09:41:57	Paul_The_Nerd	You tried the exploit with a harmless shell command, I'm guessing?
09:42:01	Zagor	yes
09:42:17	Paul_The_Nerd	Twiki just doesn't like me at all.
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09:49:08	webguest76	puuh, sorry to stress you. we're lucky
09:52:02	webguest76	CU
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09:57:14	Paul_The_Nerd	Hrm...
09:57:21	Paul_The_Nerd	The voice acts REALLY funny on rockbox if you pause music.
09:57:36	Paul_The_Nerd	on the H120
09:58:00	HCl	how so?
09:58:10	Paul_The_Nerd	If you pause the music, the voice doesn't play
09:58:18	HCl	ah.
09:58:22	Paul_The_Nerd	Then, if you go back to the music and unpause, it plays the voice entry for the last thing you had highlighted
09:58:29	HCl	:p
09:58:32	HCl	fun bug
09:58:47	Paul_The_Nerd	If you do that a couple times, it seems to have some fun with the buffer, 'cuz I was getting some very PAINFUL noises in my ears when I went back to just playing music
09:58:54	Paul_The_Nerd	(By this point I'd turned voice menus off)
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10:00:31	Paul_The_Nerd	That's what I get for deciding I wanted to hear a british accent on my player.
10:02:20	HCl	:x
10:02:31	*	HCl looks around left and right
10:02:41	HCl	where are the people that are supposed to be here :/
10:02:44	HCl	afk
10:04:17	Paul_The_Nerd	Y'know... using the remote feels so weird now.
10:04:45	Paul_The_Nerd	When it takes a few seconds to do something, like return to the filetree from wps, the slight vibration of the player let me know something was actually happening. The remote makes me nervous
10:15:45	markun	amiconn: You want to remove the 2-bit color support from iriver?
10:17:36	LinusN	markun: no
10:17:58	LinusN	he wants to change in internal format for the plugin grayscale library
10:18:53	markun	LinusN: Ah yes, I misread.
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10:28:02	k-man	hello
10:28:14	k-man	does rockbox run on any small flash players? or is it just for hdd players?
10:28:22	Zagor	archos gmini
10:28:26	LinusN	ondio
10:28:33	Zagor	i meant that :-)
10:28:38	B4gder	haha
10:31:00	k-man	is the gmini hdd or flash?
10:31:15	B4gder	gmini is hdd, ondio is flash
10:31:38	LinusN	and rockbox doesn't run on the gmini
10:33:27	k-man	ok
10:33:27	k-man	thankjs
10:33:36	k-man	does the ondio have a mic?
10:33:42	k-man	can it record audio?
10:35:11	B4gder	the FM version can, I believe
10:35:20	k-man	ah
10:35:21	k-man	thanks
10:35:29	B4gder	its funny but our device chart doesn't seem to clearly mention this
10:35:42	k-man	any idea where to get one in australia?
10:36:00	k-man	do they still make the ondio?
10:36:11	amiconn	yes, yes, and no
10:36:29	k-man	whre can i get one in Australia?
10:36:34	k-man	oh.. but they don't make them any more
10:36:38	Vladoman	ebay
10:37:10	amiconn	Yes, the Ondio FM has a mic. Yes it can record (from mic, fm and line in)
10:37:17	amiconn	No, it's no longer made
10:37:31	k-man	damn!
10:37:34	k-man	i need one
10:37:38	k-man	hehe
10:37:45	amiconn	However, I was lucky to get a new one from a german webshop just one month ago
10:37:49	k-man	i might have to buy one from the states
10:37:56	k-man	oh... really
10:37:56	amiconn	Shrink-wrapped!
10:38:01	k-man	what about off ebay?
10:38:27	k-man	wow
10:38:32	k-man	do you want to sell it?
10:39:28	k-man	;)
10:40:51	k-man	sigh
10:41:14	k-man	does rockbox work on any currently available flash based players?
10:42:31	k-man	anway
10:42:34	k-man	gtg
10:42:37	k-man	thanks
10:42:38	k-man	bye
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11:26:19	linuxstb	Is 70 UKP (104 EUR) a good price for an Ondio FM? http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?ARC-500324
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11:27:04	linuxstb	Assuming they have stock, it seems quite widely available in UK webstores.
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11:33:22	amiconn	linuxstb: Sounds like a reasonable price for an Ondio FM
11:33:46	amiconn	Ondio SP should of course be significantly cheaper
11:34:54	muesli-	amiconn query
11:39:23	linuxstb	With the upcoming (??) PCM codec, what quality will the Ondio be able to record at? Is there enough bandwidth for CD-quality recording?
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11:40:00	amiconn	linuxstb: I can't tell yet, 'cause it's really tight
11:40:23	linuxstb	So if we're lucky, we will get CD quality, but it may be less?
11:40:36	amiconn	CD quality means ~1.4 MBit/s
11:41:12	amiconn	The Ondio can write to 'disk' at 3 MBit/s, transfer uses DMA but we need to bitswap
11:41:40	amiconn	Then we need top read the MAS, transfer is parallel but can't use DMA
11:42:19	linuxstb	So the MAS can output CD quality, and the problem will be to write it to disk fast enough?
11:42:47	amiconn	The problem is to read the data from the MAS and write it to disk in parallel, and that fast enough
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11:43:20	linuxstb	OK. Is there going to be the same problem on the HD recorders?
11:43:39	linuxstb	I also assume playback will give identical problems?
11:44:02	amiconn	HD recorders: Reading the MAS is the same, writing to disk is way faster and doesn't need bitswap
11:44:03	LinusN	playback uses dma
11:44:15	amiconn	LinusN: Yes, but it needs bitswap as well
11:44:19	LinusN	yes
11:44:32	linuxstb	Presumably we could write the PCM data to disk without bitswapping?
11:44:49	amiconn	That's the 'fun' on Ondio, we actually bitswap all data twice for playback
11:45:11	B4gder	and on the HD models, we will bascially spin the disk non-stop...
11:45:21	amiconn	B4gder: Yes of course
11:45:35	amiconn	...at least for higher quality PCM
11:45:53	B4gder	lunch!
11:46:21	linuxstb	Is there any theoretical limit to the size of MMC card the Ondio can use?
11:46:36	amiconn	I didn't measure yet, but I think everything that would need to spin up more often than every 15 seconds is better off without spinning down at all
11:47:06	amiconn	linuxstb: Yes. The MMC protocol itself limits to 4 GB
11:47:18	linuxstb	OK.
11:47:36	ilikedirt	New security hole in TWiki in case you don't know... http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/SecurityAlertExecuteCommandsWithInclude
11:48:30	Zagor	ilikedirt: we know. we're safe.
11:48:40	ilikedirt	ok ;)
11:49:03	ilikedirt	expected that...
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11:57:45	DarkkOne	Oh, I mentioned an issue with the voice menus in here on iRiver, and I don't think people were around at the time. Is the "Pause doesn't let voice menus play either" a known issue?
11:59:08	LinusN	it is now :-)
11:59:32	DarkkOne	You'll find more description in the log, though I was under a different name
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11:59:45	LinusN	09.57.21 # <Paul_The_Nerd> The voice acts REALLY funny on rockbox if you pause music.
11:59:49	Paul_the_Nerd	Yep
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12:01:34	_FireFly_	hello everybody
12:01:53	Paul_the_Nerd	Howdy
12:01:58	Moos	Hello the remote guy :-)
12:02:05	_FireFly_	;)
12:03:11	Moos	what's new with your remote works?
12:03:44	_FireFly_	that thinks, that i have tested works for me great :)
12:04:43	_FireFly_	ups ui mean things
12:04:44	Moos	hehe :-)
12:05:58	Moos	FireFly: maybe one colaboration with Timid could be very bice
12:06:14	_FireFly_	a build based on daily-build-20050928 with my remote-patches and some others can be found here http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=25650&page=7
12:06:22	Moos	2 guys with 2 different ways :(
12:06:31	Moos	ok
12:08:13	_FireFly_	i think my patches are only for the time till timid has the widget completet
12:08:57	_FireFly_	because with his widget system it will be easier to manage two or more displays
12:09:06	Moos	true
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12:09:24	Paul_the_Nerd	Until then, your patch has made some of us very happy. Heh.
12:09:34	_FireFly_	g
12:09:34	Moos	Timid: you there?
12:10:25	Paul_the_Nerd	My 'box used to live in a lower pocket in cargo pants, but that wasn't really very effective with rockbox as it was.
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12:14:45	_FireFly_	currently my patchset is depending on my other patch which adds two wps-tags to enable/disable explicitly the statusbar
12:16:10	_FireFly_	while in wps
12:17:10	Paul_the_Nerd	I rather like that idea.
12:17:48	Paul_the_Nerd	How hard would it be for someone to implement a font override patch?
12:19:38	_FireFly_	it shouldn't be so hard it must be a seperate font-struct
12:19:52	Paul_the_Nerd	Especially once displaying to two screens with two different WPS' is enabled, I can imagine a lot of people wanting to set their remote to a different font than their main screen.
12:20:19	_FireFly_	which represents the font which should be displayed on the remote
12:20:24	Moos	yes it will
12:20:28	_FireFly_	or in the wps
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12:24:31	Zagor	I'd say we'll add multifont support in general for devices with more memory than the archos ones. so the a single WPS can use multiple fonts etc.
12:24:58	Paul_the_Nerd	That could actually be pretty useful for other purposes too.
12:25:18	Paul_the_Nerd	Though, not so much with image loading.
12:25:22	Zagor	like the mozilla plugin for instance :-)
12:25:27	Paul_the_Nerd	Hehehe
12:25:52	Paul_the_Nerd	Right, someone should just make a quick, light, and fully functional XHTML1.1/CSS2 rendering engine.
12:26:20	Paul_the_Nerd	And then use that for WPS
12:26:23	Paul_the_Nerd	:-P
12:26:33	Zagor	flash! flash!
12:26:50	Paul_the_Nerd	Hahaha
12:27:02	Paul_the_Nerd	Y'know, actually a .swf plugin would rock my world.
12:27:05	Paul_the_Nerd	SBemails to go.
12:27:19	_FireFly_	:)
12:32:24	_FireFly_	ok guys i will leave you for a short while
12:33:06	Paul_the_Nerd	When you return bring cookies!
12:33:23	_FireFly_	when i found some :)
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12:36:14	HCl	XD
12:36:15	HCl	http://www.divx.com/anniversaryoffer/
12:36:19	HCl	free divx pro codec
12:36:22	HCl	today only
12:36:37	HCl	unlimited license
12:37:29	Paul_the_Nerd	Neat
12:37:46	*	Paul_the_Nerd uses Xvid, generally.
12:37:54	HCl	still
12:37:57	HCl	its pretty sweet
12:38:00	Paul_the_Nerd	Yeah
12:38:02	HCl	to have an divx pro codec
12:38:05	HCl	license
12:38:07	Paul_the_Nerd	I downloaded for archival purposes
12:38:18	HCl	well, the download isn't whats important
12:38:22	HCl	its the serial you get sent by email
12:38:34	Paul_the_Nerd	Yeah
12:38:41	Paul_the_Nerd	How long did yours take to mail?
12:38:46	HCl	i'm still waiting :S
12:38:58	Paul_the_Nerd	Aaah
12:39:00	Paul_the_Nerd	Okay
12:39:10	HCl	i entered my email
12:39:12	HCl	my spam email
12:39:14	Paul_the_Nerd	I did too.
12:39:17	HCl	and the emails of two friends
12:39:21	HCl	cause they want it too
12:39:22	Paul_the_Nerd	Hehehe
12:39:28	Paul_the_Nerd	I just gave it my spam email
12:39:34	Paul_the_Nerd	No way it's getting my humans-only email
12:39:39	Paul_the_Nerd	Maybe... my other spam email
12:39:54	HCl	"Last Saturday, we had our fifth year anniversary celebration for DivX. While we were all getting toasted on champagne, somebody - we can't quite remember who - thought it would be a great idea to give away our software for free. Our web store manager was the only one who didn't exactly love the idea, and eventually he'll be probably be able to untie himself and break out of the storage locker"
12:40:00	HCl	i love that
12:40:02	HCl	XD
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12:41:38	Paul_the_Nerd	Hehehe
12:41:49	preglow	can't possibly see when i'd use that, so think i'll decline
12:43:10	HCl	who cares, its a free license
12:43:37	Paul_the_Nerd	Didn't they also have a DivxPro ad-supported form?
12:43:56	preglow	i don't care about free licenses i'll never use
12:44:30	Paul_the_Nerd	My statement begins with your "I can't possible see when I'd use that" but ends with "but I cannot definitively say I will NEVER have cause to"
12:45:32	*	Paul_the_Nerd wonders if he has an email address with his ISP.
12:45:57	preglow	think i'll go xvid if i will ever need anything encoded anyway
12:45:58	preglow	now, lunch
12:49:46	Slasheri	i use xvid for dvb encoding
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12:52:41	webguest95	Hi; got a question: will it be possible to implement a metronome feature on iRiver iHP series?
12:52:49	LinusN	yes
12:52:53	HCl	whats metronome
12:53:02	webguest95	thanks Linus
12:53:03	Paul_the_Nerd	Isn't there already a patch for it out there?
12:53:22	Paul_the_Nerd	Yes, there is
12:53:28	Paul_the_Nerd	I have it on mine
12:53:58	Paul_the_Nerd	rasher.dk/rockbox/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/ <−−- Rasher's got a rather nice precompiled build here, with some fun patches.
12:55:24	preglow	HCl: the box on the piano that goes 'tick tick tick tick'
12:58:22	preglow	what tone does the archos metronome generate, btw?
12:58:29	LinusN	a saw wave
12:58:33	HCl	ohhh
12:58:34	HCl	right
12:58:35	LinusN	no
12:58:39	LinusN	sorry
12:58:42	LinusN	a "tock"
12:58:50	LinusN	from a real metronome, i believe
12:59:05	preglow	ahh
12:59:17	preglow	perhaps we should just sample that as well
12:59:20	preglow	iriver, that is
12:59:35	LinusN	decode the mp3 snippet from the archos metronome.c
12:59:45	preglow	that's just one mp3 frame, yes?
12:59:50	LinusN	think so
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13:00:12	preglow	OR someone could make a codec interface to the plugins :-)
13:00:26	Paul_the_Nerd	hehehe
13:00:33	*	LinusN looks for "someone"
13:00:42	Paul_the_Nerd	He's not in here often.
13:00:57	preglow	elusive chap
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13:01:25	Paul_the_Nerd	Aye
13:01:57	preglow	tea-time!
13:03:48	Febs	What would be really cool would be a metronome that has features like the product called "Dr. Beat."
13:04:10	Febs	Dr. Beat allows subdividing of measures with emphasis on certain beats.
13:04:27	LinusN	sounds simple
13:04:27	Febs	E.g., TICK tock tock tock TICK tock tock tock.
13:05:58	*	Febs hates practicing with Dr. Beat.
13:06:08	Febs	But it is a very effective tool for a musician.
13:06:20	Paul_the_Nerd	Why do you hate practicing with it?
13:07:48	Febs	It's not so band for individual practice, but we use it occasionally at my band's rehearsals, and it has to be set pretty loud to be audible above the band.
13:08:06	Paul_the_Nerd	Aaaah
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13:08:44	Paul_the_Nerd	Wow...
13:08:53	Febs	And perhaps "hate" is a strong word. Any metronome exposes weaknesses that you didn't know you had!
13:09:09	Febs	It's a great tool, but can bring you down a notch!
13:09:22	Paul_the_Nerd	I really need to learn an instrument
13:09:49	Febs	If you really want to learn an instrument, start with piano.
13:09:57	*	someone_ looks for LinusN
13:09:58	Paul_the_Nerd	I've actually done that.
13:10:08	LinusN	:-)
13:10:34	Paul_the_Nerd	It was ages ago, so it's a little fuzzy, but I still have a halfway solid memory, it'd just be a matter of getting back into practice
13:12:08	Febs	LinusN, any progress on the H300 bootloader? (Just wondering if there is anything I need to update on the IriverFAQ.)
13:13:02	LinusN	no
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13:20:03	Slasheri	LinusN: i am currently trying to use fat_opendir and fat_readdir instead of opendir and readdir to allow much faster directory tree scanning on bootup. Maybe we could disable the option to skip the cache rebuilding until we find a way to implement proper solution for that bootloader usb mode problem?
13:20:44	Paul_the_Nerd	How long does scanning take?
13:20:57	Paul_the_Nerd	Like, on the high end, how long might it be likely to take?
13:21:14	Slasheri	few seconds depending on how much files there are (it's transparent process but eats battery)
13:21:24	Paul_the_Nerd	Ah
13:22:05	Slasheri	i think that using fat_opendir directly should allow much faster scanning (still haven't get far enough to test for real)
13:22:06	B4gder	with "few" being more than 10, right?
13:22:31	Slasheri	B4gder: with thousands of files that something like that is possible
13:22:40	Slasheri	-that
13:23:09	LinusN	Slasheri: yes, i think it's acceptable for those who decide to use the cache to have to wait for the scan
13:23:10	B4gder	I have 6000+ files
13:23:19	Slasheri	LinusN: ok, sounds good
13:23:36	Paul_the_Nerd	I was gonna say, since it's an optional thing, it's an opt-in.
13:23:58	Slasheri	LinusN: i think that setting some value to some ram address when leaving bootloader usb mode could be a clean and working solution also
13:23:59	B4gder	I would personally prefer a cache that caches what I browse
13:24:02	B4gder	without prescan
13:24:16	B4gder	I'd hate to prescan
13:24:16	LinusN	Slasheri: yes
13:24:16	Slasheri	but that leaves there still the problem if user goes to iriver firmware
13:24:20	B4gder	so I'll never use it
13:25:55	LinusN	using fat_opendir() should give a substantial boost
13:26:05	B4gder	how come?
13:26:16	LinusN	because of the way opendir() works
13:26:21	Moos	Slasheri: the Rockbox user never use iriver fw :D
13:26:31	LinusN	it calls fat_opendir() for each component in the path
13:26:40	B4gder	aha
13:26:44	Slasheri	Moos: hehe, hopefully after we have implemented full recording support
13:26:54	Moos	true :)
13:26:56	B4gder	and WMA playback... :-)
13:26:58	amiconn	B4gder: I suggested that type of lazy caching two days ago or so
13:27:02	Slasheri	i think some recording things are coming next on my commits
13:27:30	amiconn	I wouldn't set aside an extra area, the caching would work for the file browser only, and use its dir buffer
13:27:37	amiconn	...as an lru cache
13:27:55	amiconn	That could work on archos too, because it doesn't need extra ram
13:28:25	Moos	B4gder: reriped my WMA song here ;-)
13:28:35	B4gder	;-)
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13:29:35	amiconn	B4gder: It should be rather straightforward to implement, once we have memmove()
13:30:16	B4gder	but I guess Slasheri doesn't like that approach
13:30:57	Slasheri	B4gder: i haven't said that i wouldn't like it but it still would annoy users more than using a full caching system
13:31:20	Paul_the_Nerd	I have a question:
13:31:25	Paul_the_Nerd	Why not simply do this?
13:31:27	Slasheri	maybe we could implement both and let users decide what they want to use
13:31:33	Paul_the_Nerd	You can check how much space is used/free on the HD no?
13:31:40	Paul_the_Nerd	If that value has changed since the last shutdown, recache?
13:31:41	amiconn	B4gder: In fact both cache systems can happily coexist
13:31:46	B4gder	yes
13:31:54	B4gder	would just be more code
13:32:04	amiconn	...with the lazy browser cache always enabled, and the additional full cache on H1x0
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13:32:50	amiconn	The browser cache would just make better use of the dir buffer. Most dirs are way smaller than the set maximum
13:32:53	B4gder	I don't think the lazy cache would annoy people more than the prescan cache will
13:34:13	Slasheri	B4gder: user doesn't have to wait for the scanning to complete because it's transparent. Only negative thing is that it can eat battery
13:34:31	B4gder	yes, and people will wonder what the heck their player is doing with their disk
13:34:37	Slasheri	so the prescan caching while enabled shouldn't directly annoy user
13:35:21	B4gder	"shouldn't" being the keyword
13:35:32	Paul_the_Nerd	Slasheri: any reason why the above wouldn't be useful as a means of checking for changes via iRiver firmware?
13:35:56	B4gder	Paul_the_Nerd: because the check is very slow
13:36:08	B4gder	so if that check must be done on every boot, it'll be a pain
13:36:09	Paul_the_Nerd	Ah
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13:36:18	Slasheri	Paul_the_Nerd: that needs rescanning the disk
13:36:34	Zagor	Paul_the_Nerd: ...because windows doesn't update the free info fields properly
13:36:39	Slasheri	so it could take about the same time as building the cache
13:36:43	Paul_the_Nerd	Gotcha
13:36:59	amiconn	Paul_the_Nerd: In addition, the fact that free space change means disk content has changed is true, but the reverse is not necessarily true
13:37:02	webguest78	slasheri: could your cache be used as the basis of a "random" playlist... just thinking ahead
13:37:08	Paul_the_Nerd	True amiconn
13:37:52	amiconn	...e.g. if I just rename a file
13:37:59	Slasheri	webguest78: Hmm, what do you mean with that? At least it should be possible to create root playlist much faster if cache is enabled (i am not 100% sure but will find out)
13:38:08	Paul_the_Nerd	Can you rename in iRiver though?
13:38:13	*	Paul_the_Nerd doesn't remember being able to.
13:38:24	Slasheri	Paul_the_Nerd: no you can't
13:38:37	Slasheri	iriver allows only delete
13:38:38	Paul_the_Nerd	The only way I can imagine doing it with the iRiver firmware is recording a song the exact size on disk of one you've deleted.
13:38:49	B4gder	you can rename while USB-connected with the iriver fw
13:38:56	Paul_the_Nerd	Ah
13:39:15	webguest78	i had some ideas about a random function that randomly selected new tracks (from anywhere under a specified root) and added them to the current playlist when it was "nearly empty"
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13:39:36	webguest78	but if you have lots of files - the random selction could be lengthy
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13:39:48	Paul_the_Nerd	I think ideally what you'd have webguest, was a random playback mode.
13:40:08	webguest78	that's what I'm after Paul_the_nerd
13:40:08	Paul_the_Nerd	Where instead of shuffling the list, it picks a random number from 1 to the total number of entries in the playlist, and plays that song, then picks another number.
13:40:18	Paul_the_Nerd	So it'd work with any normally created playlists.
13:40:21	B4gder	why is that better than shuffle?
13:40:31	Paul_the_Nerd	I'm not saying it's better
13:40:35	webguest78	well except I'd like to do it without having to create a playlist of all content first
13:40:43	Slasheri	webguest78: ah, that's interesting. I think we can do many nice things after the track score database is stable
13:40:45	Zagor	it would be a lot worse, since it would repeat songs
13:40:52	Paul_the_Nerd	But there's a clear desire for a random method where there's not a once per runthrough limit
13:41:02	Paul_the_Nerd	Too much ipod shuffle corruption
13:41:03	B4gder	there is?
13:41:11	Paul_the_Nerd	Yeah
13:41:14	webguest78	I understand random would repeat songs and that's fine and expected
13:41:17	Paul_the_Nerd	It's all over the mistic river forums
13:41:24	webguest78	with 5000 tracks that not a problem for me
13:41:26	Zagor	why does anyone want random to play the same track twice before the rest are played?
13:41:26	Paul_the_Nerd	The people who still talk about how rockbox's shuffle isn't true random
13:41:29	B4gder	I tend to ignore the insane people ;-)
13:41:38	Zagor	they are totally wrong
13:41:42	Paul_the_Nerd	Hehehe
13:41:44	LinusN	:)
13:41:51	Paul_the_Nerd	Hey, I'm not advocating it.
13:41:54	B4gder	"true random" doesn't exist
13:41:59	Paul_the_Nerd	Okay, not true random
13:42:02	B4gder	at least not for us
13:42:04	Paul_the_Nerd	"Effectively simulated random"
13:42:17	B4gder	yes, but then what is "random" by definition?
13:42:24	Slasheri	Zagor: with a huge playlist i definately wouldn't want the random to play the "worse" songs at all
13:42:44	webguest78	because I 'm not bothered about playing all tracks - just something unexpected next for my commute listening
13:42:47	Paul_the_Nerd	A method by which at any given point the odds of any valid song being the next song are equal, and independent of the previous song.
13:42:52	Zagor	Slasheri: that has nothing to do with the random/shuffle feature. that's a score filter.
13:42:53	Slasheri	but playing best songs more often would be nice (but that requires the score db working)
13:42:58	Slasheri	yes, true..
13:43:06	Paul_the_Nerd	Valid song being defined as "any song in the current playlist"
13:43:14	Zagor	Paul_the_Nerd: but that's lousy!
13:43:20	Paul_the_Nerd	Aye
13:43:21	B4gder	I doubt many users want that
13:43:35	*	Paul_the_Nerd shrugs.
13:43:39	Zagor	we've spent much work to AVOID just that
13:43:56	B4gder	and that's also why we call it shuffle
13:44:00	Paul_the_Nerd	Yeah
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13:44:12	Paul_the_Nerd	As I said, it's not something I'd likely use.
13:44:18	webguest78	I know RB is diff from iriver - but I liked the iriver "shuffle all" mode - "random songs" if you turned it off it carried on playing from that song
13:44:33	Paul_the_Nerd	You can do that with RB webguest
13:44:38	LinusN	like rockbox
13:44:43	webguest78	so if you found a track you thought Ah! to you could turn of random and listen to the rest of the album
13:44:55	Paul_the_Nerd	Oh, turned off random.
13:44:58	LinusN	yes
13:45:14	Zagor	I do that in rockbox all the time
13:45:18	LinusN	that works in rockbox
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13:45:24	webguest78	Paul_the_Nerd: not without re-creating an all tracks playlist everytime you change the DAP content
13:45:40	Zagor	webguest78: which, of course, is exactly how iriver does it
13:45:41	B4gder	well, that's how the iriver fw does
13:45:45	crwl	oh my god, the new misticriver forum style looks horrible
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13:46:00	B4gder	crwl: you can change to an almost-like-before look
13:46:10	crwl	but i'd need to register for that, right?
13:46:14	Febs	Yes.
13:46:17	LinusN	webguest78: never wondered why the iriver firmware takes so long to boot?
13:46:43	_FireFly_	hiho erverybody
13:46:50	crwl	b4dger, do you know if there is a stripped-down "print mode" or something like in many forums?
13:46:58	B4gder	no idea
13:47:10	B4gder	such things should be done by css...
13:47:10	Febs	crwl, as far as I know, there is not.
13:47:19	crwl	with all stupid avatars and huge .sigs removed
13:47:21	webguest78	;-) I get by - I just find having to remember to update the all_tracks playlist annoying
13:47:32	B4gder	crwl: you can opt away them
13:48:14	Febs	Yes, but now that the bloated "upgraded" design creates a shrine for every single post, opting not to show signatures actually doesn't save that much screen space.
13:48:27	crwl	uh
13:48:38	webguest78	so i was thinking about actually trying to do a patch for me... that's all - no intention of disrupting the RB philosophy
13:48:52	crwl	does anyone (who has used usenet) really like any web forum?
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13:49:15	Zagor	only people with lousy email clients like forums
13:50:03	crwl	people with no email clients, i suppose
13:50:15	crwl	people of the webmail era
13:50:23	B4gder	yes
13:50:31	B4gder	youngsters!
13:50:38	Febs	I don't mind the basic V-bulletin forum, but I can't stand huge graphic signatures.
13:50:38	B4gder	;-)
13:50:50	Paul_the_Nerd	Hey, don't lump me in with them B4gder!
13:50:53	B4gder	haha
13:50:59	Febs	I remember dialing up to BBSes with a 300 baud modem!
13:51:01	*	Paul_the_Nerd is a youngster, he hopes.
13:51:08	*	B4gder starts talking about the good old days
13:51:22	Febs	"The SysOp is IN."
13:51:24	Paul_the_Nerd	My first internet experience was at 2400 baud, but I was in Indonesia, so it was a little below standard for the time.
13:51:30	crwl	Welcome, crwl.
13:51:30	crwl	You last visited: September 6th, 2004
13:51:36	crwl	i actually have registered there, it seems
13:52:48	Paul_the_Nerd	Actually, wait.
13:52:53	Paul_the_Nerd	Compuserve... back before that
13:53:10	Slasheri	i still use 1200 baud amateur packet radio ;)
13:53:19	Paul_the_Nerd	I remember my mail address wouldn't really be considered human-readable by modern standards for what that means.
13:53:23	*	Zagor had fidonet 2:201/328 & 329
13:53:52	Zagor	dual nodes, man! can you say "mega cool"?
13:53:56	crwl	"the iRiver firmware gives a far superior sound, better stereo imaging and deeper bass being the most obvious differences" heh
13:54:20	B4gder	yes, everyone on the forums know a lot of facts
13:54:26	crwl	:−−-)
13:54:52	Paul_the_Nerd	All I know is Rockbox sounds better to me. Of course, now my CDs are encoded to lossless .wv, until I start running out of space.
13:54:54	Zagor	crwl: I bet he's the type who runs max bass and some wacko SRS junk
13:55:12	*	Paul_the_Nerd also has cheap headphones from Radioshack.
13:55:39	Paul_the_Nerd	That were oddly featured on MP3.com.
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14:00:42	crwl	"recreating the iriver sound" wtf
14:04:39	preglow	double blind tests, please
14:04:45	preglow	and i might start to believe it
14:05:15	preglow	would be very fun if someone bothered to do a couple of those
14:05:38	Paul_the_Nerd	What would you like them to test though. Just the difference in sound between iRiver with no equalizer settings and RB with none?
14:07:25	preglow	just pure flat sound
14:07:37	preglow	and different codecs
14:07:42	preglow	at max volume
14:10:58	Paul_the_Nerd	What's the point of wireless headphones if the cable's too short to sit the player any decent distance from the wet location?
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14:29:07	solexx_	Is http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/SecurityAlertExecuteCommandsWithInclude already known?
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14:29:13	B4gder	yes
14:29:24	B4gder	we're not vulnerable
14:29:32	solexx_	phew
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14:30:15	solexx_	wrong version?
14:30:38	B4gder	our version is fixed
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14:31:01	Paul_the_Nerd	" It's only slightly thicker than an iPod, looks like something Darth Vader would use," I like this description of the H120 (I'm assuming they had a black one)
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14:32:15	Reboot_me	Hi. I have a small question, this is not about Rockbox but about iHP-120 firmware. i want to run Rockbox but I currently have a problem with 1.63E. I cannot upgrade the firmware, the player just show "upgrading firmware" and then it shuts down. tried everything... Is the way to go a BDM cable?
14:32:40	LinusN	FEF?
14:33:04	LinusN	sorry FAF
14:33:11	Reboot_me	?
14:33:21	LinusN	on mistic river
14:33:28	Reboot_me	yes
14:33:51	Slasheri	Reboot_me: are you sure you have put the right ihp_120.hex to the iriver root?
14:34:14	Slasheri	how long does it display the upgrading firmware screen?
14:34:19	Reboot_me	yes, tried allllot of different versions etc. but it simply cannot upgrade
14:34:24	Reboot_me	5-6 sec.
14:34:30	Slasheri	ah, that's not normal :/
14:34:33	LinusN	that's short
14:34:46	Reboot_me	cannot change language aswell..
14:35:08	Reboot_me	must be a faulty upgrade, the last one. but it works..
14:35:23	Slasheri	try checking the disk
14:35:36	Slasheri	was there any problems with the previous update?
14:35:40	Reboot_me	no error on the disk, reformat ok.
14:36:13	Reboot_me	well "originally" there wasnt, but i think I can remember 1. faulty upgrade.
14:36:31	Slasheri	i think the bdm could be easiest way to go if you have a corrupt flash
14:36:39	LinusN	Reboot_me: i think i can help you
14:36:43	Reboot_me	thought so.
14:36:45	Slasheri	how it became faulty?
14:37:09	Reboot_me	well, must have been something with the battery, even though I used the powersupply...
14:37:19	Slasheri	ah, ok :/
14:37:21	preglow	Slasheri: interleaved dsp code is most definitely buggy, i think
14:37:32	Slasheri	preglow: that's very possible
14:37:49	Slasheri	no-one has tested it
14:37:52	preglow	Slasheri: i dump the data i write pcmbuf_insert to the disk, and there the right channel is ok
14:37:59	LinusN	Reboot_me: email me linus at haxx.se
14:38:00	preglow	on the player it sounds like crap
14:38:05	preglow	where crap sounds like white noise
14:38:11	Reboot_me	ok, thx
14:38:22	LinusN	preglow: no, it's "a bag of shit"
14:38:31	preglow	LinusN: ahh, that's the correct term, sorry
14:38:46	LinusN	according to some BR member
14:38:50	LinusN	MR
14:39:11	preglow	yeah, i've read that thread...
14:39:25	LinusN	white noise...hm then it's rather "a bag of ssssshhhhttt"
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14:40:44	preglow	so in my case he's almost right!
14:41:41	LinusN	:-)
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14:44:17	preglow	the problem is that musepacks output now suddenly has started sounding very poor
14:44:20	preglow	i wonder why
14:44:29	amiconn	preglow: Doesn't the wav codec use interleaved?
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14:45:19	preglow	amiconn: yes, it certainly seems that is true
14:45:44	preglow	Slasheri: is DSP_SET_SAMPLE_RATE meant to take either 16 or 32 as a value?
14:45:51	preglow	ehh
14:45:53	preglow	sorry
14:45:59	preglow	DSP_SET_SAMPLE_DEPTH
14:46:21	Slasheri	Hmm, just a moment
14:46:33	preglow	'cause right now i'm passing it the actual number of bits musepack uses (30)
14:46:49	preglow	i thought that value was used to figure out how much to shift the signal down
14:47:07	Slasheri	it can take values between 16 and 32
14:47:20	Slasheri	and that affects how the dsp scales the samples
14:47:24	preglow	yes, seemed so to me as well
14:52:16	preglow	but it's true as amiconn says, wav codec does of course use interleaved samples
14:52:24	preglow	and i assume that's been tested before commiting
14:53:41	preglow	then i wonder why the output to disk is different than what i hear :/
14:59:36	Slasheri	Hmm..
14:59:55	Reboot_me	LinusN: I have seen your chat :)
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15:00:27	LinusN	:-)
15:03:04	Slasheri	preglow: but i doubt any wav file has > 16 bit sample rate with interleaved stereo (and that is untested) :)
15:03:16	Slasheri	argh, sample depth :D
15:03:22	preglow	well, i saw a case for it in wav.c
15:03:29	preglow	but it might not have been tested, of course
15:10:29	linuxstb_	IIRC, until the recent WAV patch was committed, the WAV codec aborted if the sampledepth wasn't 16-bit.
15:11:26	markun	I'll try a 24-bit wav in a minute.
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15:17:13	markun	Sounds fine.
15:19:19	markun	wv2wav doesn't like the file though..
15:20:05	LinusN	no wonder, since it is a wav and not wv?
15:20:14	markun	wav2wv of course :)
15:21:55	markun	Ah: "if ( ... native_header.BitsPerSample != 16 ... rb->splash(HZ*2, true, "incompatible wav file!"); ..."
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15:45:37	preglow	wav2wv has very rudimentary support for wavs
15:45:57	preglow	it's meant to eat data straight from the adc, and i expect it'll be able to handle those formats very well
15:46:42	Reboot_me	thank you all for your help....
15:46:44	Reboot_me	cya
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15:59:06	markun	It would be nice if wav2wv and the wav codec would share some code..
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16:01:51	linuxstb_	markun: wav2wv is just a temporary "proof of concept" plugin. We need a proper recording API for codecs, and (probably) the ability for plugins to access the codecs for both encoding and decoding functions.
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16:02:40	markun	ok, than I'll not bother with fixing it now.
16:03:21	linuxstb_	It wouldn't hurt to fix it though. "proper" recording and encoding could be a long time in coming.
16:04:10	linuxstb_	It would be interesting to see how fast it could encode 24-bit/96KHz WAV files on the iriver.
16:09:28	preglow	not realtime...
16:09:59	markun	I only have a 24-bit/44.1kHz file right now.
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16:30:26	markun	linuxstb_: This doesn't look right in wav2wv, or does it?: config.bytes_per_sample = native_header.NumChannels;
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16:49:01	linuxstb_	markun: I can't see that line in my copy of wav2wv.c
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16:51:18	LinuxMad	Hey guys, i just wanted to make sure if Rockbox support Archos 700
16:51:33	Vladoman	not yet :-)
16:52:46	LinuxMad	naaaw, so there aint any possibillity atm to get Rockbox on a Archos 700? even if it would be unstable?
16:53:28	rasher	Unlikely
16:53:43	rasher	Is it a multimedia thing?
16:54:11	rasher	Ah, it is. No way in hell, pretty much.
16:54:27	rasher	Unless you're up for doing the port?
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17:01:38	_FireFly_	oh that was a short enjoyment :)
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17:08:24	CoCoLUS	wow
17:08:34	CoCoLUS	that archos price is 779 euro...
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17:15:02	linuxstb__	CoCoLUS: It's the equivalent of about 570 EUR here: http://www.steelcube.com/acatalog/AR_AV700.html?campaign=adwords
17:15:08	linuxstb__	But still not cheap.
17:15:25	CoCoLUS	thats the 40 gb version
17:15:30	CoCoLUS	i was talking about the 100 gb version :)
17:15:46	linuxstb__	Ah :)
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17:19:27	_FireFly_	and it seems that it has an embedded windows running
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17:33:06	]RowaN[	what version of GCC are the daily builds made with?
17:33:48	rasher	Depends
17:34:00	rasher	Which player?
17:34:02	Bagder	m68k-elf-gcc (GCC) 3.4.1
17:34:15	]RowaN[	iriver
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17:48:22	]RowaN[	compiling with a newer version of gcc might give smaller/better binaries?
17:49:25	rasher	Unlikely to be smaller
17:49:29	rasher	Possibly faster
17:49:39	fuzzie	Possibly hilariously broken.
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17:54:32	stevenm	Hello guys.. long time no see
17:54:54	stevenm	When Rockbox is built, what optimization level is used? -O2 ?
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17:57:30	t0mas	don't know...
17:57:33	t0mas	check the makefile?
17:57:41	stevenm	(Apparently my CS professor married her partner with whom they did inline ASM for a C class
17:57:42	fuzzie	-O by default
17:57:51	fuzzie	with some codecs/etc having different levels
17:58:02	cejay	i have a recorder v2.. nonFM model.. and rockbox2.5 is there any info on how to use DATABOX?
17:58:12	t0mas	stevenm: hm?
17:58:34	stevenm	t0mas, I wonder if MIDI will run faster on target if it's built with -O2 or -O3
17:58:44	t0mas	you can try?
17:58:45	cejay	also do i have to apply rombox or bootbox with 2.5 or is it all automatic
17:58:49	t0mas	change the makefile for the codec
17:59:04	stevenm	t0mas, I don't really have a Makefile for it. It's in SOURCES
17:59:05	t0mas	and make the default ccflags -O2
17:59:07	t0mas	or 3
17:59:14	t0mas	ah ok
17:59:19	stevenm	t0mas, neither do I have a target here
17:59:22	t0mas	then you can compile it by hand?
17:59:25	stevenm	need rasher for that
17:59:41	stevenm	t0mas, ah, by hand. that would work
17:59:44	stevenm	thanks
17:59:49	t0mas	well... I'm a bit busy...
17:59:51	cejay	sorry.. i butted in.. anyone avail for priv chat on databox help?
17:59:57	fuzzie	beware, high optimisation levels on m68k can be buggy
17:59:58	t0mas	erm
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18:00:01	t0mas	you should ask HCl
18:00:06	t0mas	(at cejay)
18:00:08	stevenm	t0mas, that's alright, i'm in class too.. I was wondering about later
18:00:09	t0mas	he has written it
18:00:16	cejay	ok..thnx
18:00:24	t0mas	stevenm: I'm doing a "security audit" aka legal cracking :P
18:00:29	stevenm	it just hit me that MIDI was never compiled w/ any optimization
18:00:35	stevenm	t0mas, woah, cool
18:00:38	t0mas	yeah
18:00:43	fuzzie	is midi the stuff in apps/plugins/midi rather than being a codec?
18:00:50	stevenm	fuzzie, yes
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18:02:07	t0mas	stevenm: check this...
18:02:11	t0mas	my scan from yesterday
18:02:12	t0mas	http://pastebin.ca/24199
18:02:24	]RowaN[	midi didnt produce an output file or sound last time i tried
18:02:43	stevenm	]RowaN[, I know. That's fine
18:02:46	t0mas	and 135 + 445 is my ISP, they blocked it since the blaster problems :)
18:02:57	stevenm	MIDI is a plugin, not a codec. I had it write a WAV file but then that was removed from the libs
18:03:15	stevenm	I am waiting for the DSP functions to be added to the Plugin API and then I will make it output sound
18:03:32	stevenm	It actually synthesizes the samples, etc, just doesn't write them anywhere
18:03:34	]RowaN[	sweet =]
18:03:55	stevenm	]RowaN[, it was 78% realtime last time we checked, but maybe if I specify some GCC optimization, that will go up
18:04:15	stevenm	t0mas, that's a decent number of ports
18:04:50	fuzzie	why not have it as a codec?
18:05:06	stevenm	fuzzie, Linus wanted to keep it a plugin for now
18:05:24	stevenm	midi isn't quite like MP3, seeking is different, it loads the whole song at once, etc
18:05:52	stevenm	a lot of 'codec' specific things don't apply to playing MIDI
18:10:22	stevenm	but yea, i'll try the -O3 later, after class etc
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18:20:12	linuxstb__	stevenm: Are you making use of IRAM?
18:27:17	stevenm	linuxstb__, yes
18:27:40	stevenm	linuxstb__, although 30 megs of the stuff would be cool too
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19:30:58	preglow	stevenm: for the logs: all codecs i've tried have benefited from O2
19:31:14	preglow	stevenm: i don't think i'd recommend O3 for most things
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19:34:47	t0mas	[18:32] <stevenm> linuxstb__, although 30 megs of the stuff would be cool too <−− and pricy ;)
19:37:16	preglow	not much to use iram for in midi, i'm afraid
19:37:19	preglow	all the sample structs, i guess
19:37:22	preglow	but that's more or less that
19:40:42	_FireFly_	by wavpack files pause doesn't work
19:41:06	_FireFly_	the sound goes shortly off but comes on back
19:46:35	preglow	hah
19:46:38	preglow	i've never noticed that
19:46:49	preglow	it never stops at all here
19:47:09	preglow	now why the hell does that happen
19:48:21	_FireFly_	;)
19:48:22	preglow	it's not up to the codec to decide whether it pauses
19:48:29	preglow	so i can't imagine why it fails
19:48:46	*	preglow suspects
19:49:25	preglow	only possible explanation i can think of, is that it never yields
19:49:28	_FireFly_	it seems that palying ist stopped but after few seconds(max 2 secs) the playback is startet again
19:49:31	preglow	but there are tons of yields in it
19:49:36	preglow	it doesn't stop at all here
19:49:50	_FireFly_	maybe that a flag gets overwritten
19:50:13	_FireFly_	the flag that causes normaly pause the playback
19:50:24	_FireFly_	??
19:50:28	preglow	hmm
19:50:37	preglow	i don't see how that can happen
19:50:44	preglow	i think i'll try to rewrite the wavpack plugin
19:50:53	preglow	to let rockbox do its own converting
19:52:17	XavierGr	why does rockbox has the ability to remember only files that are on the .rockbox directory?
19:52:40	_FireFly_	??
19:52:41	XavierGr	I mean I know why. They decided to have in the configuration only 20 letters for the last file
19:52:59	XavierGr	I mean when loading fonts languages or wps screens
19:54:33	XavierGr	but why not make a full variable for the files? Is that so cost effective?
19:54:52	XavierGr	Currently rockbox supports 4 or 5 files for that.
19:55:22	XavierGr	currently they take 20 * 5 = 100 bytes
19:56:00	XavierGr	if we make 5 new configuration variable it would be 5 * 260 (max filename) = 1300 bytes
19:56:45	XavierGr	and then every file that must be remembered in the next boot up will be remembered in any folder.
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20:02:29	XavierGr	hi linuxstb hi rasher
20:02:44	_FireFly_	preglow after decomment the pcm_play_pause call in playback.c:1680 (case AUDIO_PAUSE) pausing a wavpack playback works
20:03:00	_FireFly_	this call was comment out
20:03:29	_FireFly_	to pretend a loop inside the pcm buffer
20:03:55	_FireFly_	so it says the comment why this call was comment out
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20:08:27	preglow	well, strange
20:08:33	preglow	ask slasheri :)
20:08:52	_FireFly_	slasheri ?? do you here ??
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20:11:18	Slasheri	_FireFly_: Hmm, yes. It's possible a loop occurs inside the pcm buffer preventing voice code from working when paused it that line is commented out (however, the voice codec currently still doesn't work when paused but that's an another issue)
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20:11:49	Slasheri	codec and if
20:12:25	preglow	but why the hell is wavpack the only codec triggering this
20:13:34	XavierGr	does anyone know how to detect if the FM radio is active or idle?
20:14:17	Slasheri	ah, maybe wavpack doesn't use the dsp
20:14:25	Slasheri	that might be the issue
20:15:23	XavierGr	found it radio_get_status in power.c
20:15:51	XavierGr	have to go later all
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20:15:55	preglow	Slasheri: if you ask me, it's time to enable dsp for all codecs
20:16:06	_FireFly_	the voice code is only "aktiv" if voice is in the option enabled ??
20:16:15	Slasheri	preglow: yes
20:16:28	Slasheri	_FireFly_: yep
20:16:39	_FireFly_	if so then i can leave with that workaround because i have voice disabled :)
20:16:43	Slasheri	or when the voice is being used
20:16:46	_FireFly_	live
20:17:02	_FireFly_	i have all voice option disabled
20:17:03	Slasheri	:D
20:17:50	_FireFly_	so there is no problem with a possible loop in the pcm buffer??
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20:19:13	Slasheri	_FireFly_: there is still the loop but it shouldn't be a problem
20:19:34	Slasheri	_FireFly_: but the better way is to enabled the dsp for wavpack
20:20:03	_FireFly_	how much work :)??
20:20:31	Slasheri	something like a single or few lines additional code to the codec file
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20:26:02	_FireFly_	is there a codec for which dsp is enabled ??
20:26:37	preglow	i'll try to rewrite the codec now
20:26:39	preglow	to use the dsp
20:26:44	_FireFly_	ok
20:29:56	preglow	brb
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20:56:28	Slasheri	uh, now fith fat_opendir etc. the directory cache building is very fast!
20:56:37	Slasheri	i will take some measurements
20:56:41	Slasheri	*with
20:56:49	rasher	What did you change?
20:56:56	rasher	curious
20:57:10	Slasheri	i replaced opendir and readdir with fat_opendir and fat_readdir
20:57:26	Slasheri	and made the recursive scan not use stack
20:57:31	rasher	Mhm
20:59:10	Slasheri	now i don't see that it would eat battery almost at all
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21:41:55	Slasheri	all of the currently known dircache problems fixed. I think it will be ready for commit at this week (i will put a final patch review available soon)
21:42:27	Moos	congratulations :-)
21:42:31	Slasheri	:)
21:43:14	Slasheri	night ->
21:43:32	Moos	have a good night Slasher
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21:51:01	linuxstb	For the record, there are also problems with pausing and ALAC. I don't think the DSP is used for ALAC either.
21:51:42	_FireFly_	night
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23:27:13	XavierGr	2 bugs in the simulator about the FM
23:27:25	XavierGr	1) Adding a preset crashes the sim
23:27:47	XavierGr	2) FM radio status is always set to active once the Radio starts.
23:27:56	XavierGr	again these are both for the sim
23:30:01	XavierGr	tvelocity: can you see my messages?
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23:30:45	tvelocity	XavierGr, nope
23:31:04	Ctcp	Ping on #rockbox from rasher!n=jonas@62.79.64.148.adsl.hs.tiscali.dk
23:31:04	***	Server message 505: 'logbot :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )'
23:31:09	rasher	oops, sorry
23:31:12	tvelocity	lol
23:31:22	rasher	That should've been a server ping
23:31:51	ashridah	fuck. i've still got my client responding to those with its own ctcp.
23:31:54	*	ashridah fixes
23:31:57	Bagder	PONG!
23:32:06	rasher	ashridah: I noticed
23:32:29	XavierGr	tvelocity: strange I can see yours...
23:32:53	tvelocity	maybe because you haven't /identify 'ed
23:33:28	XavierGr	oh yeah I am not
23:33:33	tvelocity	-NickServ- The nickname [XavierGr] is not registered
23:33:38	XavierGr	how can I identify?
23:33:54	tvelocity	/nickserv help
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23:35:22	XavierGr	OK I just registered
23:35:37	ep0ch	rasher: quick question...
23:35:57	ep0ch	rasher: i've just installed your latest build (hope you don't mind)
23:36:06	ep0ch	rasher: peak meter isn't working?
23:36:09	rasher	ep0ch: that's what it's there for
23:36:20	rasher	I think that's a bug with the remote patch that's been fixed
23:36:25	XavierGr	peak meter for what?
23:36:25	ep0ch	ahh
23:36:26	rasher	I just need to update the patch
23:36:31	ep0ch	cool
23:36:49	rasher	unless it's the fm peak meter
23:36:50	XavierGr	for the remote patch?
23:36:53	rasher	which is just not working.
23:37:11	XavierGr	yeah that would be cool to fix the fm peak meter
23:37:25	ep0ch	nah peak meter for plain old normal playback
23:37:27	XavierGr	I wish I knew how to do it know that I am working for the fm presets!
23:37:56	XavierGr	^now
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23:42:03	tvelocity	woukdn't audioscrobbler support be cool?
23:42:32	rasher	I don't think they like plugins that work offline
23:43:13	tvelocity	how would they know?:P
23:44:25	XavierGr	audioscrobbler?
23:44:38	tvelocity	XavierGr, http://www.last.fm/
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23:48:25	crwl	submitting to last.fm in chunks works to some extent
23:48:28	crwl	but i don't know how far
23:50:42	tvelocity	submitting could be artifficialy delayed
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