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#rockbox log for 2005-10-15

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00:18:40*HCl rubs his nose
00:18:57Paul_The_NerdAre services broken?
00:19:08Paul_The_NerdNickserv, etc.
00:19:25HCli guess so.
00:19:35HClat least they protected it
00:19:40HCl00:19 -!- nickserv Erroneous Nickname
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05:00:24_user_question. when using the unicode patch, is it normal that the tags for korean songs appear broken in wps screen?
05:02:20phaedrus961if your tags aren't written in unicode, then yes
05:03:43_user_how do i write them in unicode? using what program?
05:03:52_user_id3v2 isnt in unicode then?
05:04:49phaedrus961id3v2 can be, but isn't always
05:05:06_user_i see
05:05:21_user_what do i need to do if i want to convert them to unicode?
05:05:50phaedrus961there are some programs that will convert them, but this is a good opportunity to test the conversions I just finished writing
05:06:08phaedrus961I'll upload the patch in a bit
05:06:19_user_oh ok
05:17:53_user_oh btw, i get an error msg when i try to compile with korean as default language
05:18:26_user_build.lang:37:missing quotes for LANG_USB
05:18:57_user_build.lang:3187:missing quotes for LANG_RUNTIMEDB_ACTIVE
05:22:32phaedrus961newest patch is uploaded to the tracker
05:23:40phaedrus961make sure you use make zip, so that the codepage files get added to your rockbox dir
05:24:21_user_yeah i always use make zip
05:24:26_user_ok, lemme try that patch
05:24:40DMJCis anyone actively working on mod/midi support?
05:25:04phaedrus961to fix that error, just open the lang file and add quotes to those two entries
05:36:11_user_patching file tools/codepage.h
05:36:21_user_patching unexpectedly ends in middle of line
05:36:43_user_patch: **** unexpected end of file in patch
05:37:28phaedrus961did you unbzip the patch? someone else had a similar problem and this fixed it
05:38:58_user_i extracted the file outside of cygwin
05:39:09_user_ill try unbzip
05:39:30_user_i dont seem to have unbzip
05:39:32_user_or do u mean unzip?
05:40:12phaedrus961sorry, it's bunzip2
05:41:13_user_that seems to be it. the size is different
05:41:14_user_ok lemme try that
05:52:15_user_yup works great!
05:52:28_user_btw, i found this "bug" in wps
05:52:55_user_whenever i ff or rew, the status bar shows up
05:53:05_user_which did not happen befre using this patch
05:55:15_user_but for now, i g2g
05:55:18_user_thx for the patch
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10:22:23linuxstbWhy does the filesize() function return a valuie of type off_t - where off_t is a "signed long". I thought FAT32 supported 4GB files.
10:31:53amiconnIn theory, yes
10:32:22amiconnMany systems have problems with files >= 2GB on fat32
10:33:04amiconnOne such problem is that filesizes >= 2GB require a 64 bit off_t
10:33:24amiconn...otherwise relative seek doesn't work correctly
10:36:38linuxstbI'm trying to clean up the use of longs in the codec code, and my understanding is that off_t is used for filesizes and file offsets (positive and negative), and size_t is used for memory sizes.
10:37:43linuxstbBut mixing these two types (e.g. comparing a filesize with the size of a memory buffer) gives a warning.
10:39:42linuxstbI also don't understand why the same type is used by POSIX (I assume) to represent the size of a file and a relative seek position.
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10:49:07amiconnSeek positions can be positive and negative, so a signed type is necessary
10:50:55linuxstbYes, that's my point. I guess the proper solution is simply to cast off_t to size_t when comparing.
10:51:16linuxstbIn that context, off_t will be positive.
10:51:20amiconnand I think off_t is used for file sizes as well because otherwise file sizes >= 2GB would be possible
10:51:41linuxstbBut file size >= 2GB should be possible in ROckbox.
10:51:44amiconn...which would then cause severe problems with seeking
10:52:18amiconnYou couldn't seek to the end of such a file at once
10:54:05linuxstbWhich is why off_t needs to be > 32 bits for FAT32.
10:54:25amiconnImho we don't need that
10:54:38linuxstbI agree - it's more a theoretical argument.
10:54:50amiconnI'd rather avoid supporting file sizes > 2GB on fat32, even if it's possible
10:55:40amiconnIt would need quite some resources (off_t being a 64 bit type) for little benefit
10:55:58linuxstbAs I said, I agree with that.
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11:42:36linuxstbOK, I've taken the easy way and done a quick fix to alac.c to solve the compiler warnings.
11:43:05linuxstbThe use of signed types just goes too deep into the codec code.
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11:55:58linuxstbMorning preglow - how are you feeling?
11:56:43preglowtons better
11:57:01preglownot completely good, but lots better
11:57:10linuxstbGood to hear.
11:57:14preglowgood enough to check out this distortion problem people are talking about
11:57:42linuxstbAs you probably saw with my CVS commit - I've given up on the idea of removing signed longs.
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11:58:13preglowyes, i figured
11:58:31preglowdoing so would mean a ton of warnings all over the place
11:58:49linuxstbIt all goes back to the filesize being off_t - a signed long.
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12:03:01preglowhmm, read the logs now
12:05:20preglowgot a couple of glitching mpc files now
12:05:40preglowsounds like overflow, which would be really bad...
12:06:04preglowsince it probably means we'll have to ditch our superfast mul...
12:07:31*preglow prods Slasheri and requests wav writing :pPPpPpP
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12:11:02preglowthis moving of everything to codeclib.h introduces a bunch of problems
12:12:40preglowstarting to look like the codec libraries need the old codec.h, while codec plugins need codedlib.h, as it is, the codec libraries include string.h and all kind of fancy things, and vomit if they see the clone functions in codeclib.h at the same time
12:14:04amiconnThere is indeed a slight chance for an overflow problem in using the emac in fractional mode for the top 32 bits
12:15:05amiconnI just checked it: If both factors are exactly 0x80000000, the correct top 32 bits would be 0x40000000,
12:15:06preglowamiconn: yes, there is, and i didn't think we'd see it, and the fact that they report the same for flac gives me some hope this isn't true
12:15:13preglowamiconn: that is the only chance as well
12:15:25preglowall other answers fit
12:15:40preglowi'll see what the problem is now, just added wav writing to mpc.c
12:15:46amiconnbut the emac yields 0x80000000 (shifted one bit left) and arithmetic shift right yields 0xc0000000
12:16:23amiconn...which is negative, but 0x40000000 (correct answer) would be positive
12:19:22amiconnWe could check the extension bits...
12:19:48amiconn...but maybe that's not the problem
12:21:03amiconnmusepack is funny: wherever it uses MPC_MULTIPLY_FRACT(), it uses the emac on coldfire, shifting the result one to the right as defined in the macros...
12:21:37amiconn...and immediately shifting left afterwards (one or two bits)
12:21:57amiconnSaw this when checking the disassembly of mpc.codec
12:23:22amiconnRoom for optimisation... at least these places don't cause the mentioned overflow problem
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12:24:08preglowwell, there's a lot of shifting going on in libmusepack
12:24:13preglowit's more or less all it does
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12:25:46amiconnHmm.... maybe the glitches are my fault at last... lemme check again :/
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12:31:50preglowartggh!! #include "codeclib.h" suddenly stops working
12:31:55preglowwhat the hell is up with that
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12:37:49amiconnreboot, brb
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12:39:23preglowthere can be no doubt
12:39:27preglowthis is internal overflow
12:40:11preglowfor both positive and negative peaks
12:40:26preglowwhich makes me believe the new mul is not at fault
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12:45:20preglowthis is starting more to look like a bug in clipping, to me
12:52:52amiconnOkay, I checked the shift logic in mpc_multiply_ex() again. Looks okay
12:53:41preglowi just compared a segment with the overflow from what foobar gives me
12:53:57preglowthe difference between the two should just be roundoff noise and the spikes
12:54:01preglowbut i also get massive ringing
12:54:11preglowwhich suggests this overflow happens some place during resynthesis
12:55:02preglowi can try putting in the old mul64 again
12:55:07preglowbut i should eat something first
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14:13:02lamedhey all. how do you change two commands at once? say "make <newline> make install"?
14:13:30amiconnUse a semicolon
14:13:34amiconnmake; make install
14:13:58lamedthe simplest things are always the hardest on a new os. thank
14:15:27crwlmake && make install is better, it only executes make install if make returned no errors
14:17:50preglowmake && make install is better, no?
14:17:56preglowyes, exactly
14:18:36amiconnpreglow: We can get back our missing high bit with some magic
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14:19:43amiconnUnfortunately this isn't entirely free, 4 extra clocks when no oveflow happens, 5 extra clocks when it does
14:19:51amiconn(0x80000000 * 0x80000000)
14:21:31preglowamiconn: the missing bit MIGHT be the problem, but i'm not 100% sure, have you tried with the old proper mul yet??
14:21:43amiconnNo I haven't
14:21:53preglowit overflows both ways, you see
14:21:53amiconnI was just doing some experimentation with the emac
14:22:18preglownot just from neg to pos
14:22:18amiconnHow do you mean, both ways?
14:22:33amiconnNo, neg to pos is the only possible overflow
14:22:36preglowif the emac mul was the problem, it should just overflow from negativ values to positive
14:22:42preglowbut there is also a pos to neg overflow
14:22:47preglowi'm looking at it as we speak
14:23:15preglowi'll give you a screenshot if you want
14:23:20preglowit's here, clear as ice
14:23:39amiconn0x7fffffff * 0x7fffffff doesn't overflow, 0x7fffffff * 0x80000000 and vice versa also don't overflow
14:23:46preglowbut of course, hmm
14:23:57preglowi know
14:23:57amiconnThe only case is 0x80000000 * 0x80000000
14:24:21amiconn...and that can be fixed, eating 4 clocks almost always and 5 clocks in that very case
14:24:25preglowbut still, it overflows both ways in the result here
14:26:24amiconnThe end result might look like anything if an overflow happens somewhere in the middle of the decoding, right?
14:27:18preglowbut then it's also curious that it always looks like a one bit overflow
14:37:23amiconnBtw, your comment regarding MPC_MULTIPLY_FRACT() is wrong. No precision is lost there
14:37:52preglowhmm, no, i think i just meant the -1*-1 problem
14:37:59preglowbut the comment isn't clear, no
14:40:37lamedpreglow: i've went through the irc log, my |plus| signs don't register at all.
14:41:57preglowlamed: yes, that's cgi-irc for you
14:42:03amiconnlamed: The cgiirc client swallows all plus signs for some reason
14:42:09amiconnUse a real client ;) ++++++++++++++++++++++++
14:43:07lamedpreglow: correct, only to state what you've said, cgiirc client swallows.
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14:44:34lamedno lol's hear huh.
14:51:45preglownow, let's see what good old mul64 does for us
14:52:44preglowit's still there
14:52:47preglowthe error is some other place
14:53:20preglownow let me add that it wouldn't surprise me for a second if this is a libmusepack bug
14:54:29preglowwell, ok, the download links on are dead.......
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15:01:48webguest96I'm Korean H300 User
15:07:42_FireFly_ho ;)
15:08:17muesli-28hours of playback so far ;)
15:08:21muesli-and still one bar left
15:08:39_FireFly_with rbx or iriver fw running ??
15:09:01muesli-iriver's fw. will compare it to iriver next
15:11:20ashridahiriver's firmware... will compare it to iriver next?
15:11:34*ashridah suspects one of those is rockbox, not sure which
15:11:54muesli-i'm just running irivers fw
15:17:45BBubthen what is that comparison about?
15:19:04preglowwell, well, it's most definitely not a libmusepack bug
15:19:12preglowi'm starting to think this comes from my synth_filer optimisation
15:20:05muesli-BBub will use the same files under sumilar conditions
15:22:46preglowoh well, i need to go out and get some fresh air, will look at it when i'm back again
15:22:55ashridahmuesli-: the question is, what are you comparing battery time for? new battery? rockbox v iriver?
15:23:31muesli-i've just built in a new 2200 ipoo replacement
15:23:43muesli-i was using ionity's 1900mah before
15:23:59XavierGr24 hours with ionity?
15:24:04muesli-and ionitiy's was running ~24h with iriver's fw
15:24:08XavierGr(I have that one)
15:24:57muesli-conditions as quoted in my thread
15:25:17muesli-err post's already 3:30h..half of the day already gone :o
15:34:06BBubif you live in the daylight, yes
15:35:06muesli-you dont? ;)
15:35:40XavierGrehm I just got up from bed!!! :P
15:36:09muesli-what time is it on your place?
15:37:09XavierGrI don't miss the sun here, it's getting annoying sometimes. But it is good to have a choice.
15:37:19XavierGr4:37 p.m!!
15:38:05muesli-just one hour ahead
15:38:13muesli-and you JUST got up??
15:38:59XavierGrI slept at 7.00 am!
15:40:45XavierGrwow 9 and a half hours of sleep and I wanted more... I am very sleepy, (and lazy)
15:41:25XavierGrso next test will be with tockbox firmware muesli?
15:42:43muesli-i started yesterday at 12am
15:42:48XavierGrwhat do you think the outcome will be? Less, the same, or more?
15:43:16muesli-it already blasted ionitys away
15:43:38muesli-ir run for ~24h
15:43:44XavierGrwho blasted ionitys? The ipod battery?
15:43:58muesli-coz it has 2200mah
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15:44:22XavierGrwell of course it is 1900 vs 2200, I would expect nothing less.
15:44:50muesli-well...theoretically ~10%
15:44:58XavierGrthough volume I think is too low on your test.
15:45:15XavierGr12 is way too low for me.
15:45:27muesli-nope..koss the plugs are very high at 12
15:45:33XavierGrexcept if you have the super ultra sencitive cans
15:45:53XavierGrI have shure e2
15:46:11muesli-heard only the best about shure's
15:46:25muesli-but never tested them myself
15:47:27XavierGryeah great phones though, I don't like them on the go, too much hassle to wear them, but they are discreet even with that long cable they come with.
15:47:42_user_is anyone having problems with the statusbar in wps?
15:48:02XavierGrwith a remote patch?
15:48:45_FireFly__user_: what problems ??
15:48:49muesli-just bought koss ksc 35..havent tested them but my very short impression was not that spectacular as assumed
15:49:37_user__FireFly_: i;m using the indp visible section for statusbar patch and... whenever i ff or rew, the status bar comes out...
15:50:18_user__FireFly_: i thought it was the other patches that are interfering with it but... i tried applying only the statusbar patch and the samething happens
15:52:27_FireFly_i can't reproduce it on my device
15:53:16_user_hmm weird
15:55:14_FireFly_do you use the engineer2 wps ??
15:56:04_user_a custom-made one
15:57:16_FireFly_because the engineer2 wps has the same problem with the hold-icons(%mh %mr)
15:57:33_FireFly_if i understand your post correctly on the rockbox forum
15:57:51_user_yeah when i flick on the hold swtich, the icon shows
15:58:01_user_when i turn the switch off, the icon is still there
15:58:09_FireFly_i have also tested a unpatch build which had the same problem with the hold-icons
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15:58:15_user_i see
15:58:24_FireFly_to see if my patch causes this problem
15:58:49_user_i cant use ur patch so that cant be the problem :)
15:59:08_FireFly_the wps-sb-tag-patch is also from me :)
15:59:47_user_i also tried using the patch w/ 4 choices
15:59:50_user_and the same result
16:03:13_FireFly_but the strange thing is, that in the engineer2 wps the volume-bar works correctly, which is on the same line as the hold-icons
16:05:36muesli-had no problems with engenieers rwps/wps
16:05:45_user_do u want to take a look at my wps?
16:06:15_FireFly_muesli-: %u3157 ??
16:06:54_user_that was me, nevermind that :p
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16:11:01lamedmuesli: is the ipod's battery (1-2G) the same as the h100 series?
16:11:34muesli-the only thing to do is swaping the cables
16:11:54lamed- & ups?
16:11:55muesli-which can be easily done
16:12:19lamedsame connector?
16:12:37lamedorderd from that ebay guy?
16:13:07lamedhope he won't charge me more to ship to Israel ...
16:13:27muesli-cant imagine...
16:13:39lamedsounds like a good deal though. 0.99 euro? could this be real?!
16:13:54muesli-they rip you by shipping costs ;)
16:14:57lamedwell but this still not that much! frankly, it's still is cheap.
16:15:04muesli-i've ordered my one here
16:15:21muesli-maybe faster tha from hong kong
16:15:39lameddon't speak german
16:15:44lamed(is this german?
16:16:44lamedwhat am I supposed to make sure before installing the batt.? you said something about balloning?
16:18:20muesli-altough its in geman its very easy
16:18:24muesli-to understand
16:18:37muesli-pix speak for themselve
16:20:16lamedi can always babelfish at altavista
16:20:30lamedhave you finished at least one battery check?
16:21:33muesli-no its still running...28:21h but no battery bar is left...will aparently die soon
16:22:23lamedho and another thing, they were always saying ipod's 1st and 2nd gen batteries turn into crap over one and a half year. but i'm not sure if they were li-polymer
16:23:33muesli-yeah, that those were the shipped one...
16:24:15muesli-this one is like irivers original a li-polymer
16:25:07lamedinteresting. do you know what where the original ipods? (and have they switched to li-polymer now?)
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16:25:31muesli-nope, no idea
16:27:18lamedanyone found some really cheap iskins? -ill go check
16:29:18lamed...what ships faster... from hong kong or from germany...
16:30:25muesli-thats the question ;) it least its far shorter than from hk...bu i would ask them for s&h costs before
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16:32:05lamed Postal insurance
16:32:14lamed1.20 Optional
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16:32:34muesli-for this small amount isnt worth if you ask me
16:32:57lamedwhat do you mean?
16:33:08lamedyou think i should or shouldn't take it?
16:33:14lamed(make insurance)
16:33:35lamedhave you bought more then one (?!)
16:34:18muesli-one is enough ;)
16:35:07lamedyeah, maybe if it was external.
16:36:08lamedstill a little bit scary to know I shouldn't be messing up the wires or it'll fry
16:36:44muesli-no worries..theres nothin that can go wrong ;)
16:36:58muesli-you have to be very foolish ;)
16:37:00lamedbut you'r testing over iriver fw, it's a lot more efficient on battery
16:41:47lamedusing rb, you spin the h.d. a whole lot more, even with the new cache.
16:42:26crwlis that really true?
16:42:46lamedwell, you've got lots of more option.
16:42:51crwldidn't iriver have something really lame in its buffering code, like not buffering more than 3 songs or something like that...?
16:42:58preglowSlasheri: hi!
16:43:04XavierGrthat's not true
16:43:09Slasheriiriver fw uses less buffer -> more hdd spinups :)
16:43:14XavierGroh yes hi Slash
16:43:33Slasheripreglow: high, now waiting for train at station back to jyvaskyla .)
16:43:36XavierGrso there, but unless a full test is done no one is sure.
16:44:17XavierGrSlasheri are you coding for the iriver recording now, or I am mistaken?
16:44:17preglowSlasheri: back to military stuff?
16:44:48Slasheripreglow: hehe, basically yes :) it was a nice (short) holiday
16:45:05SlasheriXavierGr: yes
16:45:07lamedyou can't argue with battery life. if you would compare fw vs fw just playing songs it might be rb on the top hand. but daily usage, packed with with options, cpu working fast... i think it will lose.
16:45:21XavierGrwhen your military services are going to end?
16:45:38Slasheri(hard to type with this without a big keyboard.. :p)
16:45:40XavierGrlamed: again no,
16:45:49XavierGroptions have nothing to do with battery.
16:46:00lamedboosting the cpu has
16:46:18lamedspining the h.d to read plugins does
16:46:19SlasheriXavierGr: 312 days left :)
16:46:38lamedslasheri: i'm in the army too :) in what army are you?
16:46:48XavierGrnearly 1 year!!! :(
16:46:57Slasherilamed: in civil service :p
16:47:01*preglow has succesfully avoided the norwegian army so far
16:47:14Slasherinot so hard but it takes long
16:47:49preglowSlasheri: will fixing the pcm buffer glitching on track change be hard?
16:48:03XavierGrlamed: Cpu is set to boos only to calculate fast some data and then go to default frequency, this is better than the iriver approach which has fixed frequencies for tasks.
16:48:03preglowSlasheri: it's caused by the new codec not working fast enough to fill the buffer, i assume?
16:48:22Slasheripreglow: hmm.. with crossfade enabled?
16:48:27preglowSlasheri: no, no crossfade
16:48:32Slasheriyes, shouldnt be hard
16:48:32preglowSlasheri: there is no such problem with crossfade
16:48:42Slasheriah, then i have to reproduce that
16:48:49preglowbut it happens almost all the time for me
16:48:52lamedslasheri: isn't that a service for your country? are you out in february?
16:49:07Slasherii havent used iriver w/o cf a long time
16:49:07preglowthe new track glitches over the old track for a second before the track completely changes
16:49:13XavierGrlamed: And there is no relativity in plugins, iriver hasn't got any plugins (iriver fw) and so you can't compare this, we just compare playing time.
16:50:07Slasherilamed: yes it is, but i really have the >300 days still left (- some holidays)
16:50:54Slasherilamed: it's alternative choice for the real army
16:51:03XavierGrSlasheri: And hows the recording proccess goes, any news, what is still missing from your work?
16:51:59SlasheriXavierGr: bug fixing etc, i havent done much new code. Just enabling archos code for iriver, peak meter and something like that
16:52:44SlasheriI try to do some important fixes soon when i have time and commit then
16:53:10XavierGrgood work keep on!
16:53:24lamedxaviergr: listen, i've donated 20$ to the project before i've installed it on my player (before there was an audio support). for the last 2 month i've been busting my ass to learn C and up until now I've made some minor changes/patches. I've translated rb into hebrew and suprisingly i'm using my translation (!). I only use iriver firmware to record, as rb isn't quite there yet... I think it made my player complete :) but after all, battery drains muc
16:53:52XavierGrThe other day I recorded a concert and I was so dissapointed that the iriver fw has a pop every once in a while.
16:53:55lamedslasheri: where do you live?
16:54:19Slasherilamed: in Finland
16:54:43lamedXavierGr: yeah and with rb i've found out you can record your own playing file ;D
16:54:45crwli have successfully recorded a concert with rockbox over 3 months ago :)
16:55:06XavierGrlamed: I don't say i am sure that rockbox has better battery response than iriver, I just say that plugins or boost can't say much on battery usage.
16:55:19_FireFly_with rockbox you can simultan play a file and have FM running :=)
16:55:25XavierGrWe will have to wait for muesli's tests to see the truth.
16:55:32muesli-yepp :D
16:55:35muesli-29h so far
16:55:42XavierGryeah that's not new... cool eh?
16:55:49Slasherihmm, 30min. and the train should come :)
16:56:05Slasheritime goes fast with irc ;)
16:56:06lamedslasheri: I've went through civil service year & now i'm into my 2nd out of 3 years of army service :/ will end if february too
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16:56:39Slasherilamed: huh? :/
16:56:47muesli-XavierGr not new? juergen could do 29h but he was using irivers settings!
16:56:56lamedslasheri: what part?
16:57:23lamed* e
16:57:26muesli-btw hated my army service..such a useless time :-/
16:57:33XavierGrmuesli-: I was talking about radio and silmutaneous playback
16:57:37Slasherihmm, never mind :D
16:57:40muesli-ah ok
16:57:52muesli-Runtime data* for iriver iHP/H100 Series Jukeboxes:
16:57:53muesli-Runtime with LiP 385585 Battery: up to 29 hrs. !!!!
16:57:53muesli-(Runtime with original battery: up to 16 hrs.)
16:57:53DBUGEnqueued KICK muesli-
16:57:53muesli-* Used settings (iriver LAB Mode): MP3, 128 kbps, CBR, Volume 10, No EQ, No Remote Control, Sony MDR-EX71 earplug
16:57:53Slasherilamed: where are you from?
16:58:12CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
16:58:12*lamed 345
16:58:14muesli-shalom :D
16:58:14Slasheriah, ok
16:58:33Slasherithere is long service..
16:59:00*lamed is sure that when Slasheri's train will come Muesli player will shut off.
16:59:02muesli-how long Slasheri ?
16:59:11muesli-lamed ;)
16:59:18muesli-it must shut off every second
16:59:23muesli-no bars anymore
16:59:32lamedno. it will last for 27 more minuts
16:59:36Slasherimuesli-: here in finland the civil service is 13 months
16:59:38muesli-wow, it just did! ^^
16:59:50muesli-29h :D
16:59:51XavierGrwell then I will wait to see the fireworks
17:00:00XavierGr\0/ hooray!
17:00:02lamedI ments seconds
17:00:33XavierGrnow quikcly recharge and then test rockbox!!!
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17:00:52_FireFly_not too quick :)
17:01:32lamedhave a nice day people gtg eat
17:02:25muesli__cya m8
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17:05:26JudithGood day men
17:05:39muesli__jojojo :D
17:06:15JudithSlasheri: you are the guy made the beep mode, right?
17:06:47Judithand the iriver playback, backlight diming, crosfader...
17:07:00Judithlots of good stuffs
17:07:40JudithSlasheri: have you planed to finish the beep mode please?
17:08:08Judithbeep at start, for all keys, etc...
17:08:52JudithSlasheri: are you here?
17:09:15muesli__beep suck ^^
17:09:38JudithI loved the iriver beep
17:09:57muesli__sure you'll love tinitus ;)
17:10:10Judithwhat is this?
17:10:51JudithI loved to hear beep when the plyer started, when i pushed stop...
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17:12:09muesli__its an illness and causes neverending sounds in your ears
17:12:28Judiththe problem with actual beep is, it just do beep with change track, is it the unique case I don't love it cause I use crosfader and I enjoy with it
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17:12:57_FireFly_ :)
17:13:47SlasheriJudith: yes, will do when i have some time =)
17:13:51*preglow strokes his tinnitus
17:13:59Slasherinow ihave to go, train coming soon
17:14:24JudithSlasheri: thanks in advance, and have a good travel ;)
17:14:45Slasherithanks :)
17:14:59JudithSlasheri: is it probably easy thing for you
17:15:26Judithin regard all your works done for Rockbox :-D
17:16:52Judithmuesli: why do you talked about those tinnitus?
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17:17:37Judithbeep mode isn't noise thing
17:18:01Judithis it sound indicator if you don't seeing your player
17:18:03webguest96%uC544%uBB34%uB3C4 %uC5C6%uB098%uC694~ %u314E%u314E;
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17:19:06Judithlittle out post question please?
17:19:07webguest96I cannot English well.
17:19:18webguest96I'm Korean..
17:19:55webguest96Now the Korean time is 12:19.
17:20:16Judithand soon the Korean language will be ported to Rockbox
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17:20:41webguest96oh, thank you
17:21:22webguest96It will expect.
17:21:45webguest96I am using the compiler.
17:22:18webguest96I am using the Translate.
17:23:23preglowwell, i'm stumped
17:23:38webguest96Is it when about completed?
17:24:02DBUGEnqueued KICK webguest96
17:24:06webguest96oh sorry
17:24:10webguest96my mistake
17:24:55Judithwait a bit and unicode will probably added to Rockbox
17:25:16webguest96Talk what it will not know
17:25:17Judithmarkun is working on it
17:25:49XavierGrmuesli: yes I know about tinitus, I just got this last month! :(
17:25:53webguest96I'm H300 User
17:26:01XavierGrI hate it...
17:26:09preglowamiconn: now i've got a mpc.codec where emac isn't even touched, and still, there's the overflow
17:26:24Judithwbgst96: h300 not suported yet
17:27:13webguest96The iriver does not finish the best.
17:27:52JudithRockbox did, do and will do ;)
17:27:58webguest96why not supported yet?
17:28:09preglowwebguest96: lead developes has no time
17:28:15Judithnot bootloader yet
17:28:29Judithwaiting Linus have a bit of time
17:29:09webguest96Does it produce how?
17:30:24webguest96It cannot hear an inside end?
17:30:55preglowcan anyone?
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17:31:02preglowno, ignore me
17:33:30webguest96Did not you understand my speech?
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17:34:11Judithnot well here, I'm not natural english speaker
17:34:42webguest96me too..
17:35:08Judithbye to go
17:35:26Judithhave a good day all
17:35:30 Quit Judith ("CGI:IRC")
17:35:31webguest96you too
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17:39:06webguest96Is no one here?
17:40:30webguest96%uC544%uC528 %uD55C%uAE00%uB85C %uB9D0%uD574
17:40:42webguest96%uC5EC%uAE30 %uD55C%uAD6D%uC778 %uC5C6%uC5B4%uC694? %uB2F5%uB2F5%uD574 %uC8FD%uAC83%uB124
17:41:07webguest96%uD55C%uAE00%uC774 %uC774%uC138%uC0C1%uC5D0 %uC788%uB294 %uBAA8%uB4E0 %uC5B8%uC5B4%uC911%uC5D0 %uC81C%uC77C %uB6F0%uC5B4%uB098%uB2E4
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17:42:06webguest96bye to go
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18:17:26lamedwow that webguest96 had worst english then me.
18:18:02lamed<XavierGr> muesli: yes I know about tinitus, I just got this last month! :( - that's amazing, i got it last night for about half an hour while trying to sleep. sounded like someone installed a beep chip in my head. maybe this illness is due to developing rockbox.
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18:27:52preglowmost people have some tinnitus like symptoms
18:27:59preglowno need to worry
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18:30:00preglowbut where the hell does this overflowing come from :/
18:31:18LearHm.. Can standard gcc (3.4) do buffer or stack overflow checks, like gcc for OpenBSD can?
18:31:42preglowisn't that libmudflap functionality?
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18:38:43Learwell, what is mudflap? a quick google didn't show that much useful information...
18:47:14Learokay, found a pdf explaining it and how to use it, but it isn't in the gcc manual afaics...
18:51:52Learoh, seems to be in gcc 4.0.2 at least...
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19:06:56preglowlear: yes, it was introduced to gcc4, but i know little of it
19:07:23_user__FireFly_: were you able to figure out what the problem is with the statusbar/hold icon?
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19:33:13lamedIs it well known that Channels & stereo width in sound settings aren't working for h100 series?
19:37:08_user_yup, it's stated somewhere on the website
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20:02:40learanyone who got sound playback working in the simulator on linux?
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22:03:09_user__FireFly_: were you able to figure out what the problem is with the statusbar/hold icon?
22:04:31 Quit lamed ("CGI:IRC")
22:05:31_user_oh, ok
22:18:07_FireFly__user_: may i have your wps to test it on myself ??
22:23:07_user_sure, hold on a sec
22:30:36_FireFly_which font do you use ??
22:31:29_user_i used a customized font
22:31:38_user_but size 12 should work fine
22:31:56_user_volume might be a bit funky if you dont take out "%" sign
22:33:20_FireFly_you have a sytax failure in your code, %rh doesn't exist %mr is for the remote hold, but this has nothing to do with the problem
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22:44:02markun_user_: Did the font work that I made?
22:51:01_user_markun: yup it did
22:51:35_user_markun: i plan to modify it if i can tho. i wanna make it more... visible, iguess
22:53:47_FireFly_amiconn: what?
22:54:11amiconnThis => is strange, and the reason why I didn't get any problems even with max files in dir browser set to 10000
22:54:23amiconnI wonder why people set insane values...
22:54:52_FireFly_i think they misunderstood the meaning of this options
22:55:10amiconnSetting max playlist size to much more than the total number of tracks is nonsense, and setting max files in dir browser to much more than the largest dir size too
22:55:15muesli-Max playlist size set to 6000...insane
22:55:21amiconnI've set 3000 and 500
22:55:38markun_user_: What is there you don't like about the font?
22:55:55amiconnAnyway, rockbox shouldn't bug when it allows to set these values
22:56:18_user_markun: i used to use a bold-type font. i have bad eyes so when i try to use the player at night, i can barely read with this font :)
22:57:06markun_user_: Maybe we should collect nice fonts for different unicode ranges so we can put together different fonts.
22:57:37amiconn_FireFly_: When he has ~6000 tracks on the player setting max playlist size to 6000 is okay (for allowing an all-player playlist), but setting max filkes in dir browser surely isn't, unless all these tracks are in one dir
22:57:57markunThe font you got from phaedrus961 is also a combination of 2 fonts. I also want to add arabic, but it's a bit more problematic.
22:58:18_user_hmm... i have no idea waht to do wit arabic but
22:58:31_user_i've tried to find other fonts in vain
22:58:57_user_so rather than finding others, i think its better to use phae's font as a reference and modify it
22:59:05_user_which probably will limit the font to size 12
22:59:50markunWhat about the big file with hangul fonts that you found in a forum?
23:00:19_user_i have no idea how to convert those pcf (or something) files into bdf files
23:02:31markunphaedrus961 can do it. He didn't try?
23:02:56markunI have to go
23:03:06_user_oh yeah now i remember. he said those fonts are no good
23:03:08_user_ok bye
23:12:37_FireFly__user_: i have found a solution for both problems, but i don't know why it works so...
23:13:13_FireFly_i have only moved the line which start with %?mp to the first line in the wps
23:13:24_FireFly_and now it works correctly
23:14:00_user_ok lemme try that
23:15:40_user_u r right
23:15:42_user_haha weird
23:16:01_user_but i came across another problem by doing it..
23:16:12_user_i see a little rectangle...
23:16:33_FireFly_do you under linux ??
23:16:58_FireFly_-do +are
23:17:55_FireFly_try to delete the last char in the line mybe that there are two new-line signs after your line-move
23:18:40_user_im under winxp
23:20:29_user_its actually at the beginning
23:20:49_user_that little rectangle
23:21:50_FireFly_is the line of the rect only dots or similar??
23:23:07_user_what do you mean?
23:23:24_FireFly_i mean how is the line-style of the rect ??
23:23:34_user_oh, dotted
23:25:57_FireFly_then it is a either a "tab" or "carriage return" or a new-line
23:26:39_FireFly_they are unprintable chars
23:27:06_user_i see, lemme see whats going on there
23:29:18_user_arg i have no tabs used.. nor a useless space
23:31:17_FireFly_try to recreate the wps in a new file from scratch
23:33:15_user_ok, i have nooo idea why but, when i opend the wps file in vim, it showed a weird chinese char at the beginning
23:33:19_user_that probably was why
23:34:00_FireFly_bad notepad , if you had used notepad to move the line
23:35:06_user_arg.. yeah i did
23:35:39_user_i also see these "^M"s
23:36:03_FireFly_tese are the "carriage return"
23:36:16_FireFly_or in printf syntac "\r"
23:36:33_user_which does...
23:36:43_FireFly_under windows a new line is represented through \r\n
23:37:03_user_oh boy
23:37:06_user_it's still there!
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23:38:14_user_haha maybe ill jus use the statusbar...
23:39:18_FireFly_will be the char also there if you type the wps from scratch (no copy and paste)?
23:41:11_user_hmm maybe i should try thta first before giving up :)
23:41:37_FireFly_or i could send you my modified version from your wps :)
23:41:57_user_how is it modified?
23:42:08_FireFly_only the line move :)
23:42:42_user_ooh that'd be nice :)
23:45:49_user_i use the web version
23:46:15_user_i guess ill just re-type it :)
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23:46:46FebsA quick bug report: I just finished recording a 2.5 hour show.
23:47:06FebsThe recording function appears to have worked great.
23:47:42FebsHowever, the seek function doesn't work on the resulting .wav file, which about 1.5GB.
23:50:07FebsIf a press FF, the elapsed time indicator will move forward, but as soon as I release the FF button, the elapsed time indicator returns to the prior position.
23:50:25Febs"a" −−> "
23:50:36Febs"a" −−> "I"
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23:50:41*Febs can't type today.
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