| 00:00:47 | amiconn | The question is, what resolution are the replaygain values, and what range do we need to handle? |
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| 00:09:35 | preglow | i believe they are floats |
| 00:13:25 | Nilisco | put |
| 00:13:31 | Nilisco | opps. |
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| 00:25:31 | amiconn | There. Shiny new math routines in mandelbrot.rock. SH1 low precision: up to 4x speedup, SH1 full precision: up to 3x speedup, coldfire full precision: up to 6x speedup |
| 00:32:08 | BBub | nice |
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| 00:40:17 | preglow | amiconn: nice |
| 00:40:36 | preglow | amiconn: noticed any visible differences with the new routines? |
| 00:43:51 | amiconn | The reduced delta-x and delta-y resolution leads to slight shifting of the axes at higher zoom levels |
| 00:44:23 | amiconn | Not directly related to the new iteration routines, but rather to the reduction of the variables to 32 bit |
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| 00:59:34 | preglow | looks good to me |
| 00:59:42 | preglow | and damn, it's fast |
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| 01:00:25 | amiconn | Hehe, using your emac trick on coldfire... and inlining |
| 01:04:20 | preglow | but btw, like i said the other day, grayscale plugins seem kind of sluggish after grayscale stopped cpu_boosting |
| 01:04:46 | preglow | does the grayscale lib screen updates and so on use lots of cpu? |
| 01:07:31 | preglow | like i suspected |
| 01:07:43 | preglow | slasheris overflow fix halves the volume, no wonder it no longer overflows |
| 01:12:46 | preglow | hmm, it is quite strange it actually succeeds in getting rid of the overflows... just rescaling the audio should retain the overflows like nothing happened |
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| 01:23:34 | webguest97 | I've just put a file to experiment on my iHP-140; it was SACD WavPack [Metallica Black Album BTW :)] 8745kbps; 96000Hz; 6 channels; - obviously it froze my player and a hard reset did the job, but I was wondering if such files could ever be playable on this hardware; just a thought... |
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| 01:24:58 | preglow | sacd wavpack? |
| 01:25:01 | preglow | wavpack supports sacd? |
| 01:25:49 | webguest97 | I've just downloaded the file from a hub; yes: sacd wavpack |
| 01:25:55 | preglow | 96khz sacd doesn't make sense |
| 01:26:22 | preglow | sure it's not sacd converted to pcm wav, then converted to wavpack? |
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| 01:26:32 | preglow | but anywho, i'm not certain 96khz sample rate is supported yet |
| 01:27:10 | webguest97 | I don't know whether it was converted in any way |
| 01:27:10 | preglow | also, i'm not certain how multi channel files are handled |
| 01:27:21 | webguest97 | I see |
| 01:27:58 | webguest97 | do you think the iriver's hardware could handle such a beast? |
| 01:28:25 | preglow | hmm |
| 01:28:30 | preglow | it depends on wavpack |
| 01:28:45 | preglow | if wavpack has to decode all six channels, then no |
| 01:29:01 | linuxstb | The iriver can only play back 16-bit/44.1KHz/Stereo, so it's a bit of a waste of resources to decode anything better than that. |
| 01:29:05 | preglow | if it can only decode two of them: then yes |
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| 01:29:25 | linuxstb | I think you would have to decode all 6 channels and then downmix to stereo. |
| 01:29:52 | preglow | yes, then you're chanceless |
| 01:30:07 | preglow | with the overhead of resampling on top of that again, there's no chance |
| 01:30:32 | webguest97 | got it :); it would be fun though |
| 01:32:04 | preglow | sure, but also ultimately a waste |
| 01:32:56 | linuxstb | You would get much higher quality playback by doing a one-time conversion on your PC with high quality (i.e. slow) resampling. |
| 01:33:51 | preglow | oh yes |
| 01:34:00 | preglow | the current resampler will do a very bad job of resampling 96khz |
| 01:34:07 | preglow | it was more or less only made for 48->44.1 |
| 01:35:06 | webguest97 | will foobar e.g. be able to resample it to say: 48? |
| 01:35:53 | linuxstb | Probably, but for the iriver you will want to resample to 44.1KHz - that's all the hardware can handle. |
| 01:36:13 | linuxstb | Rockbox resamples 48KHz files to 44.1KHz during playback. |
| 01:36:54 | webguest97 | didn't know that; thanks a lot for your help :) |
| 01:37:34 | preglow | but damn |
| 01:37:54 | preglow | plain libmusepack, with no emac opts whatsoever, still generates overflowing audio on target |
| 01:38:00 | preglow | i must be doing something blatantly wrong |
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| 09:13:52 | HCl | does anyone know how hard it would be to play an mp3 stream out of an .avi ? |
| 09:14:19 | HCl | with rockbox |
| 09:14:21 | HCl | obviously. |
| 09:14:37 | Rick | hmm |
| 09:14:38 | Rick | dunno |
| 09:22:40 | markun | HCl: I think it's not too difficult to write a demuxer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIFF |
| 09:25:25 | Slasheri | HCl: should be quite easy with linux and with some demuxer/encoding software |
| 09:25:48 | Slasheri | ffmpeg/mencoder/transcode could be useful too |
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| 10:18:07 | HCl | Slasheri: i kind of meant on rockbox itself, not extracting the mp3 stream |
| 10:18:16 | HCl | Slasheri: i have some music clips in avi with an underlying mp3 stream |
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| 11:33:08 | Slasheri | HCl: oh, i see :) |
| 11:33:46 | Slasheri | but that should be easy too |
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| 11:35:14 | Marcus1 | Hello |
| 11:35:50 | Marcus1 | Slasheri: yesterday I asked you about the anti skip buffer |
| 11:36:31 | Marcus1 | you explained me your current iriver implementation, but why it didn't like archoses? |
| 11:37:18 | Marcus1 | like amiconn said, it's a different way, and the value 0 is possible |
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| 11:38:23 | Marcus1 | slasheri: you there? |
| 11:39:46 | Slasheri | Marcus1: yes, i think that will be fixed for iriver |
| 11:40:13 | Slasheri | something like 10s should be a good safety margin |
| 11:40:36 | Marcus1 | ok, thanks man |
| 11:40:36 | Slasheri | and then we could add the anti skip buffer setting to that value |
| 11:40:40 | Slasheri | :) |
| 11:40:59 | Marcus1 | archos way? |
| 11:41:12 | Slasheri | yes |
| 11:41:20 | amiconn | Slasheri: The archos code measures the actual disk spinup time... |
| 11:41:33 | Slasheri | amiconn: oh, then it's pretty accurate.. :D |
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| 11:41:51 | Slasheri | i think we shouldn't make iriver that accurate but instead add some good value.. |
| 11:42:00 | Slasheri | because the buffer space is not so limited |
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| 11:44:11 | Marcus1 | Slasheri: how goes the iriver recording thing? :) |
| 11:44:12 | Slasheri | and the spinup time will be never constant while moving.. at least with the iriver's 1.8" disk. Maybe it's more accurate with larger disks |
| 11:44:24 | Slasheri | Marcus1: i haven't had time to look into that |
| 11:44:28 | Slasheri | maybe in few weeks.. |
| 11:44:42 | Marcus1 | ;P |
| 11:46:45 | Slasheri | amiconn: Hmm, or maybe we could save some statistics of the player usage over a longer period (including average disk spinup times) and use that to automatically adjust the buffer margin |
| 11:48:32 | Slasheri | in fact we couldn't use average but the highest disk spinup time from some period |
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| 13:39:52 | preglow | Slasheri: yo, your mpc overflow fix halves the volume of the output, so something's clearly not right |
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| 16:29:27 | FishFace | Hi all. Just got my cygwin build system running and wondering what to do next. |
| 16:29:43 | FishFace | I'm an iRiver H120 user |
| 16:29:55 | FishFace | Rockbox is already way better than the iRiver firmware |
| 16:30:49 | FishFace | Where's a good place to look for the current status of iRiver port work? I'd like to help out |
| 16:31:45 | _FireFly_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverPort |
| 16:32:10 | FishFace | Thanks |
| 16:41:11 | FishFace | Is there any software method of increasing sound output from the H120 without clipping? Could do with a bit more power for driving my Etys. |
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| 17:04:30 | Slasheri | yes, disabling short circuit protection on uda could give more power output but there is a great risk the chip can be damaged by doing that |
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| 17:07:35 | amiconn | Slasheri: Really? Did you try that? |
| 17:08:14 | FishFace | sounds risky |
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| 17:12:09 | amiconn | hi mr. set top box :) |
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| 17:13:06 | FishFace | What's the status of encoding? Is anyone trying to get Vorbis encoding working or is it likely to be too cpu intensive? |
| 17:13:21 | linuxstb | Hello all. |
| 17:13:58 | linuxstb | FishFace: You could also look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverStatus for a list of areas of Rockbox that still need work. |
| 17:14:20 | FishFace | ta again |
| 17:14:36 | markun | FishFace: You think RB is way better that iRiver's firmware? Some people think it sounds like a bag of shit ;) |
| 17:16:05 | FishFace | To me RockBox sounds cleaner but maybe that's just the placebo effect :) |
| 17:16:19 | FishFace | I remember reading something about it having different treble and bass boost behaviour |
| 17:16:48 | FishFace | What do you think markun? |
| 17:18:28 | FishFace | Is there any reason to think that RockBox should sound noticeably different from the iRiver firmware? |
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| 17:24:57 | webguest36 | Hello people |
| 17:25:13 | webguest36 | I've got a quick question please |
| 17:25:56 | webguest36 | the folders systeme volume informations are needed for Rockbox, or can I delete them? |
| 17:26:14 | webguest36 | directories I mean |
| 17:26:20 | _FireFly_ | you can delete is only windows relevant |
| 17:26:37 | _FireFly_ | it belongs only to windows |
| 17:27:03 | webguest36 | oh ok thanks, not reapear when I'll go to windows? |
| 17:27:48 | webguest36 | with the dircache, it's stupid to have unnecesary dirs :) |
| 17:27:57 | webguest36 | it's why I asked |
| 17:28:29 | webguest36 | Firefly: it will not reapear? |
| 17:28:46 | Slasheri | amiconn: not so much that i could hear a difference. But in theory it might be possible |
| 17:28:58 | _FireFly_ | it could reapear |
| 17:29:01 | Slasheri | still better not to try that :) |
| 17:29:09 | webguest36 | me? |
| 17:29:34 | webguest36 | ok so delete is stupid if i will use windows |
| 17:29:45 | webguest36 | it's this? |
| 17:30:08 | Slasheri | just delete it, you don't need that |
| 17:30:34 | webguest36 | ok, just want to know if they reapear when I will go under windows |
| 17:30:45 | Slasheri | it is possible, you will see.. |
| 17:31:07 | webguest36 | it's possible it eat me dircaching time :) |
| 17:31:40 | webguest36 | I'll check when I'll back home, thanks guys for informations |
| 17:31:50 | Slasheri | every directory will eat it a little |
| 17:32:15 | webguest36 | yes it's why I make clean in my dirs |
| 17:32:17 | amiconn | Slasheri: A propos dirchache - does the dircaching code remember the last used cache size even if it does a transparent rebuild? |
| 17:32:33 | webguest36 | bye all |
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| 17:32:36 | Slasheri | amiconn: yes of course |
| 17:32:47 | amiconn | I'm thinking of the situation the something is deleted from the box while the cache is active and valid |
| 17:33:00 | amiconn | Would it reserve less RAM at the next boot? |
| 17:33:05 | Slasheri | yep, on next boot the reserved cache should be smaller |
| 17:33:09 | amiconn | okay |
| 17:33:12 | Slasheri | it should |
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| 17:33:37 | amiconn | One could try ... with that dreaded System Volume Information folder |
| 17:33:43 | Slasheri | hehe |
| 17:34:31 | Slasheri | hmm.. |
| 17:34:34 | amiconn | It tends to have many files and sub folders if you don't delete it regularly (or somehow convince windows you really don't want system restore on the drive) |
| 17:34:43 | Slasheri | in fact deleting wont lower the cache size.. |
| 17:35:06 | amiconn | Certainly not live, no. But I mean after a reboot |
| 17:35:24 | Slasheri | ah, yes. You need two reboots for that |
| 17:35:49 | amiconn | (or even a second reboot, in case the cache code only computes the necessary size when rebuilding the cache) |
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| 17:45:42 | markun | _FireFly_: To me it doesn't sound any different. But I don't use SRS WOW and maybe my headphones are not so good. |
| 17:45:48 | markun | _FireFly_: Ehh.. |
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| 17:46:41 | _FireFly_ | markun: he is gone :) |
| 17:46:49 | markun | yes, I see :) |
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| 17:57:51 | lamed | Hello. how do I check the cvs server to update my sourcefiles? i've just 'cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@rockbox.haxx.se:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox-devel, there wasn't any real update made & i can see that mandelbrot and som stuff are newer. |
| 17:59:02 | _FireFly_ | lamed: you don't need to run this line every time you want to update your source |
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| 17:59:12 | ender` | cvs up -dP |
| 17:59:26 | lamed | -trying- |
| 17:59:38 | _FireFly_ | only on checkout and then you can easily make a cvs update in the dir where the sources are in |
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| 18:01:02 | lamed | ~>cvs up -dP |
| 18:01:06 | lamed | cvs update: No CVSROOT specified! Please use the `-d' option |
| 18:01:10 | lamed | cvs [update aborted]: or set the CVSROOT environment variable. |
| 18:01:16 | _FireFly_ | go into rockbox-devel |
| 18:01:20 | | Quit novimon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 18:01:23 | _FireFly_ | and then run cvs up -dP |
| 18:01:26 | lamed | -trying- |
| 18:01:34 | lamed | (i damb) |
| 18:05:33 | lamed | I'm l00king for documetation about it. what does this exactly do? makes my source folder same as the one in the cvs? -if i changed something will it get overwritten? |
| 18:06:58 | _FireFly_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingCVS |
| 18:08:49 | Ctcp | Ignored 14 channel CTCP requests in 18 hours and 33 minutes at the last flood |
| 18:08:49 | * | lamed swears to god he has been over that 100 million times, but this time it's there! |
| 18:10:12 | lamed | _firefly_: thanks |
| 18:15:34 | preglow | Slasheri: you read my comment about your mpc overflow fix? |
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| 18:37:58 | lamed | I'd love to know what kde are you people using. i'm working with dev-c , to debug or to build I have to go into a cygwin bash shell and use plain syntax commands. I hate debugging code when I can't place a breakpoint / make a watchpoint table that will stay visible. also, dev-cpp doesn't treats rockbox like it's a project, so i always have to go looking where functions are located, headers, etc. advice, please! |
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| 18:44:13 | lamed | whoops... IDE. but of course you already knew that. |
| 18:44:46 | lamed | everyone using dev-cpp? wow. |
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| 18:44:50 | mirak | hi |
| 18:45:16 | mirak | ther is no bootloader for H300 ? |
| 18:45:29 | amiconn | lamed: No IDE, just cygwin bash and a decent editor |
| 18:46:48 | ender` | emacs? :) |
| 18:47:50 | lamed | amiconn, are you serious..? I'm blasted. don't you rather things in a nice application, cute watchpoints window. ender': can i define emacs to build and debug from it? |
| 18:48:31 | amiconn | lamed: There's gdb if you need to debug something deeply. I never missed an IDE |
| 18:50:15 | amiconn | (and yes, I am serious.) |
| 18:50:16 | ender` | lamed: i don't think there's a thing emacs doesn't do. it's got everything but the kitchensink |
| 18:50:44 | mirak | there is still no rockbox for the H3x0 ? |
| 18:50:48 | mirak | I guess no |
| 18:50:52 | mirak | it's sad :( |
| 18:50:55 | mirak | :D |
| 18:52:02 | amiconn | mirak: Nope, but I am pondering to do some lcd driver work (leaving out the actual hardware access), win32 simulator and bitmap conversion tool, based on an assumed pixel format |
| 18:52:14 | lamed | amiconn: I am using gdb, it does gives me the _feeling_ i know what i'm doing (writing to plain ascii screen is a whole-lot cooler) but truth to be told it's not comfterble and sometimes I miss the reason why i cannot do something (-say setting a breakpoint that meets only one time when I excpect it to be met again..) |
| 18:52:43 | mirak | amiconn ok |
| 18:53:00 | amiconn | lamed: In fact I use gdb very rarely |
| 18:53:32 | lamed | so what _do_ you use? i sometimes has to debug something only to deccipher a function... |
| 18:54:04 | mirak | amiconn so if rockbox is avialalbe onH3x0 we will profit of all the advancement ? |
| 18:54:22 | mirak | of rockbox |
| 18:54:26 | amiconn | I'm often verifying functions by writing a testset (e.g. as a plugin) |
| 18:54:28 | mirak | or somethings will not work ? |
| 18:54:33 | amiconn | I don't use the sim often |
| 18:54:41 | lamed | ender': what's a "kitchensink"? is this some kind of a new operation system? |
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| 18:56:00 | amiconn | ...and on target there is either no gdb support yet (iriver), or it requires a hardware mod that I don't want to do on my real-use boxes (archos) |
| 18:56:04 | lamed | amiconn: but i'm not quite there yet |
| 18:56:33 | lamed | amiconn: and the sim is very well enough for my needs and studies. |
| 18:57:38 | amiconn | Afair I never worked with breakpoints or whatever in gdb. I only used it for finding the point where the sim crashed some times |
| 18:58:14 | amiconn | Even then it wasn't that helpful |
| 18:58:26 | lamed | amiconn: is xemacs better then emacs? (in what "strong ide" you or everyone are using?) can i define emacs to build & debug code over rockbox, as well as finding function placements for me..? |
| 18:59:03 | mirak | hi |
| 18:59:07 | lamed | hi |
| 18:59:29 | amiconn | lamed: I never used emacs so I can't comment on it |
| 18:59:30 | mirak | I don't wan't to troll, but was just wondering if linux would hae a been a so wrong solution ? |
| 18:59:49 | lamed | no, |
| 18:59:51 | mirak | just curious |
| 18:59:53 | lamed | it's a great thing. |
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| 19:00:12 | _FireFly_ | mirak: why do you think so ? |
| 19:00:24 | mirak | _FireFly_: that I am trolling ? :D |
| 19:00:25 | Slasheri | preglow: yes, the volume is indeed lower.. |
| 19:00:44 | mirak | _FireFly_: don't know, just that linux have a good code base |
| 19:00:47 | lamed | amiconn: so, what, do you, or most developers, use? |
| 19:00:54 | mirak | _FireFly_: that's why I wonder |
| 19:01:11 | mirak | _FireFly_: I guess linux have to much overhead |
| 19:01:22 | mirak | _FireFly_: or something |
| 19:01:30 | _FireFly_ | mirak: ??? |
| 19:01:47 | amiconn | I can't speak for most developers, only for me. I am developing under windows, so I have to use cygwin, and I use the ConTEXT editor |
| 19:01:54 | _FireFly_ | mirak: i don't understand what do you want to say to me |
| 19:02:08 | lamed | thanks, now that's a stright answer. |
| 19:02:13 | preglow | Slasheri: it's lower by exactly half |
| 19:02:24 | Slasheri | preglow: yep |
| 19:02:28 | preglow | Slasheri: which is also half as loud as it should be |
| 19:02:34 | Slasheri | :/ |
| 19:02:40 | amiconn | http://www.context.cx/ |
| 19:02:59 | Slasheri | but the scaler setting seems to be correct if we take a look for example the mpa codec |
| 19:03:29 | lamed | amiconn: "developed mainly to serve as secondary tool for software developers" |
| 19:04:26 | mirak | _FireFly_ the question was why starting with rockbox when there is linux |
| 19:04:56 | preglow | Slasheri: yeah, i too think it looks correct, but it obviously isn't |
| 19:05:28 | Slasheri | mirak: i think with linux there would have been much more work to do than without it |
| 19:05:40 | Slasheri | preglow: yes.. |
| 19:07:28 | amiconn | mirak: Imho linux would use too much overhead, and I plain don't see the advantage |
| 19:08:20 | mirak | ok that's what I wondering |
| 19:08:20 | amiconn | The only linux thing that would be usable straight away would be the kernel itself. Everything hardware driver as well as every part of the application would still need to be developed |
| 19:09:13 | amiconn | ...and the hardware drivers might be even more complex because of more functions, pre-emptive multitasking would add complexity etc etc |
| 19:09:15 | _FireFly_ | and it might be bigger then rbx is |
| 19:09:20 | mirak | but a kind of merge with ipodlinux could have make sens ? I dont talk about rockbox, just if rockbox was linux based |
| 19:09:59 | mirak | ok |
| 19:11:51 | lamed | would someone else be kind enough to let me know of some good ide's for building and debugging it through the ide? |
| 19:13:28 | mirak | hem the bootloader for H100 need to be adapted for H300 or redone from scratch ? |
| 19:13:42 | mirak | beside Linus nobody have the skills to do that ? |
| 19:14:08 | amiconn | It's not about skills, it's about debugging hardware |
| 19:14:31 | mirak | I though hardware was similar to some point ? |
| 19:14:33 | amiconn | Without a BDM wiggler, there is no chance to regain access to the box if the first shot doesn't work |
| 19:14:51 | mirak | what is it ? |
| 19:15:04 | mirak | a thing connected to the motherboard ? |
| 19:15:07 | amiconn | It's a tool to command the CPU from the outside, from a PC |
| 19:15:13 | amiconn | yep |
| 19:15:16 | amiconn | $150 |
| 19:15:27 | mirak | paypal ? |
| 19:15:56 | amiconn | Linus has such a beast available |
| 19:16:00 | mirak | well I am sure we could ventilate the price easily with donation system ? |
| 19:16:04 | mirak | ah |
| 19:16:16 | mirak | and he is busy |
| 19:16:39 | amiconn | yup |
| 19:18:00 | mirak | arghhh |
| 19:18:17 | mirak | I want rockbox features they are nice :p |
| 19:18:34 | mirak | bye |
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| 19:20:02 | lamed | There's a concert starting in ten minuts, is it safe to record a long file to rockbox by line in? i forgot, no mp3 real encoder yet :( nm |
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| 19:21:52 | crwl | i've successfully recorded to wav |
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| 19:29:43 | Lear | preglow: is codecs/codec.h obsolete now? |
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| 19:36:52 | preglow | Lear: no |
| 19:37:09 | preglow | Lear: there needs to be done more on that part, and i haven't had the time to think about it yet |
| 19:37:16 | preglow | Lear: however, xxx2wav.* should be obsolete |
| 19:37:45 | Lear | but what codec includes it? |
| 19:37:55 | preglow | all of them |
| 19:38:04 | preglow | the libraries themselves |
| 19:38:08 | preglow | the codec plugins use only codeclib.h |
| 19:38:27 | preglow | but the codec libs can't do that, 'cause they'll complain about all the mem* and str* duplicates |
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| 19:40:13 | Lear | I see. I was wondering about why there were malloc-related defines duplicated there... |
| 19:40:30 | Lear | I'm about to get rid of codec_alloca, since it isn't needed, after all. |
| 19:42:40 | preglow | no? |
| 19:42:41 | preglow | how come? |
| 19:42:43 | Lear | Hm... Does codeclib.h really need the defines for malloc etc? Shouldn't, IMHO... |
| 19:42:51 | preglow | Lear: no, afaik, they shouldn't |
| 19:42:58 | linuxstb | amiconn: Are you planning a full 18-bit driver for the H300's LCD? I'm wondering if it could be configured as 16-bit, to simplify things a little and same memory for the framebuffer. |
| 19:43:01 | preglow | Lear: if you want to fix this issue, feel free, i wont have time for several days |
| 19:43:13 | Lear | The reasone was a declaration of alloca() int tremor/misc.h... For some reason that caused problems for the simulator only... |
| 19:43:56 | Lear | Okay, I'll try removing the defines then, now that I know better how the files are used. |
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| 19:53:58 | amiconn | linuxstb: Why should we restrict ourselves to 16 bit when 18 bit are possible? |
| 19:55:54 | amiconn | If we restrict the core to 16 bits and then a plugin wants to use the full 18 bits (e.g. jpeg.rock) we would have to switch modes |
| 19:56:06 | linuxstb | I'm not saying we should, I'm just asking the question. Do you know how noticable the increase of two further bits of colour give us? |
| 19:56:54 | ze | 2 bits? |
| 19:56:56 | amiconn | I think the colur steps will be clearly visible even with 18bit, unless we do dithering |
| 19:57:01 | ze | 4x as many colors? |
| 19:57:11 | amiconn | ...and that will increase CPU load for sure |
| 19:57:15 | ze | or no wait |
| 19:57:19 | ze | i dunno |
| 19:57:23 | linuxstb | I know the mathematics, but what will your eyes see? |
| 19:57:27 | amiconn | ze: you're right. |
| 19:57:35 | ze | your eyes will see banding on 16bit gradients |
| 19:57:45 | ze | maybe less banding on 18bit |
| 19:57:58 | ender` | linuxstb: try displaying a red gradient with 32 and 64 steps and then decide |
| 19:58:05 | amiconn | 16 bits even cause colour banding in grey gradients |
| 19:58:25 | amiconn | ...because the number of bits isn't equal for all pixels |
| 19:58:38 | preglow | yep |
| 19:58:40 | ender` | r5g5b6 |
| 19:58:41 | preglow | use the full 18 bits |
| 19:58:42 | amiconn | (or we would need to restrict even further and use 15 bits) |
| 19:58:53 | amiconn | ender`: r5g6b5 it is |
| 19:59:08 | ender` | of course |
| 19:59:13 | amiconn | The eye is most susceptible to green, so that's what gets most bits |
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| 19:59:19 | ender` | was too quick at typing the numbers :p |
| 19:59:32 | amiconn | I've already seen r6g6b4 as well |
| 19:59:47 | amiconn | (but the lcd uses r5g6b5 in 16 bit mode) |
| 19:59:54 | amiconn | *h300 lcd |
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| 20:01:16 | amiconn | The bad thing is that I don't know the lcd hookup in the h300, so I don't know the exact format to use |
| 20:01:39 | amiconn | The lcd allows serial, 8bit, 9bit, 16bit and 18bit bus width |
| 20:02:27 | amiconn | I don't expect serial or 18bit though |
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| 20:03:21 | amiconn | 16bit mode only allows 16bit colour, so I expect it's either 9bit or 8bit |
| 20:05:59 | XavierGr | say: the other day I was discussing about programming with a friend, he had to choose between 2 languages, fortran or C (she doesn't know anything of programming yet) as a college lesson (Physics department). Though I don't know anything about fortran I advice her to choose C because (maybe I am mistaken) fortran is a programming fossil. Is there any reason to use fortran against C, and in which aspect fortran could be better for programm |
| 20:07:20 | _FireFly_ | afaik fortran is mostly used in scientific ares |
| 20:07:23 | _FireFly_ | areas |
| 20:07:47 | XavierGr | yes but why it is better than C nowadays. |
| 20:07:48 | _FireFly_ | in super computers which calculate the weather |
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| 20:08:16 | XavierGr | is it more fast managing calculations? |
| 20:08:27 | _FireFly_ | afaik it has an mathematik syntax |
| 20:09:01 | _FireFly_ | afaik cobol is also used in these areas |
| 20:09:39 | linuxstb | I've never used Fortran, but I've always thought of it as a language for mathematical applications. C is a general-purpose language. It's a case of the right tool for a particular problem. |
| 20:09:48 | Slasheri | I would recommend C as the language to start with (and the one to study well). After that it should be very easy to study other languages as well |
| 20:09:59 | preglow | avoid fortran |
| 20:10:29 | _FireFly_ | preglow: why ?? |
| 20:10:32 | crwl | just use qbasic |
| 20:10:41 | _FireFly_ | ;) |
| 20:10:50 | preglow | on the grounds of it being an old, crappy and ugly language |
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| 20:11:29 | XavierGr | I said to her that maybe once upon a time fortran could outmatch C in speed or something specific, but this lesson exists in this department as a fossil of older students who learnt fortran in the old days. |
| 20:11:58 | Slasheri | I think also that C is one of the hardest languages to begin with but it will give you a very good idea of high level languages in general |
| 20:12:23 | amiconn | C is very flexible and powerful, but imho not the best language to start with |
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| 20:12:47 | Slasheri | I think that it's best to start with the hardest one.. |
| 20:12:48 | ze | i started with batch files, then moved to bash scripts, and eventually got around to C |
| 20:12:51 | linuxstb | Slasheri: I disagree - C will give you an understanding of low-level languages and how computers actually do things. |
| 20:12:54 | ze | but i still do most stuff with bash scripts |
| 20:13:07 | Slasheri | linuxstb: yep, and that can't be a bad thing :) |
| 20:13:27 | crwl | i like python because with it you can actually do something useful with about an hour of exposition to it |
| 20:13:30 | linuxstb | Slasheri. Exactly. But it's not the same as most high-level languages. |
| 20:13:31 | Slasheri | I started with C and studied later C++ and other more object oriented languages |
| 20:13:39 | Slasheri | true.. |
| 20:13:40 | XavierGr | I started with VB when I got the programming logic I swithced to C |
| 20:13:50 | preglow | hehe |
| 20:13:55 | preglow | i started with basic and assembler |
| 20:14:09 | ender` | qb->vb->delphi->c++->perl :) |
| 20:14:19 | XavierGr | One time I tried to learn assemly.... my god it IS a BEAST! |
| 20:14:24 | Slasheri | I don't like that today most people start programming with java.. They don't need to worry anything about pointers, memory allocations etc. And then it's a full mess if you some day want to program with C |
| 20:14:44 | preglow | java...... |
| 20:14:44 | _FireFly_ | yepp |
| 20:14:47 | Slasheri | and qb&vb are real badness |
| 20:15:01 | ender` | perl uber alles >:) |
| 20:15:06 | preglow | ender`: agreed |
| 20:15:11 | Slasheri | they can give the worse programming habits of using gotos everywhere.. |
| 20:15:12 | XavierGr | Slasheri: But a handy quick solution. |
| 20:15:13 | preglow | nicest language i know of |
| 20:15:43 | Slasheri | XavierGr: i doubt that.. in fact i found qb harder than C.. Fortunately, i barely used qb after all |
| 20:16:02 | amiconn | Imho the most important thing is to understand the concepts of programming, and how computers work |
| 20:16:12 | amiconn | Then one language more or less doesn't matter |
| 20:16:14 | * | ender` once wrote a graphic editor in QB :) |
| 20:16:32 | preglow | amiconn: unless you start trying to use haskell... |
| 20:16:39 | XavierGr | yes but programming a small program for Windows I think VB is better. Except if you are going for fast execution and optimization e.t.c |
| 20:16:53 | _FireFly_ | or delphi |
| 20:16:58 | ender` | imho, delphi is much easier to use than VB |
| 20:17:00 | Slasheri | ender`: me too, but it saved the graphics as .bas file that was excecuted to redraw the graphics ;) |
| 20:17:16 | ender` | nah, mine could work with BMP PCX and GIF files :) |
| 20:17:22 | Slasheri | hehe :D |
| 20:17:23 | amiconn | _FireFly_: Afaik, delphi is the successor of turbo pascal? |
| 20:17:28 | ender` | amiconn: yes |
| 20:17:46 | Slasheri | yep, delphi language is in fact object pascal |
| 20:17:51 | Slasheri | it's really good with gui programming |
| 20:18:33 | ender` | delphi's only real downside is that VCL is huge - empty form in D6 makes a 600k exe iirc |
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| 20:19:14 | XavierGr | wow 600k? |
| 20:19:32 | muesli- | hi |
| 20:19:35 | ender` | yeah, because it pulls the complete GUI library in |
| 20:20:02 | XavierGr | muesli-: high :P |
| 20:20:23 | muesli- | ;) |
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| 20:20:50 | ze | muesli-: are you a kind of cereal? |
| 20:21:15 | XavierGr | killer maybe, lol |
| 20:21:20 | ender` | if you make a console project, you can get under 10k (or if you use windows API for creating GUI, but that kinda defeats delphi's purpose) |
| 20:21:36 | muesli- | ze si ;) |
| 20:21:49 | ze | heh |
| 20:21:55 | muesli- | e |
| 20:21:57 | ze | muesli-: i recently made my own cereal |
| 20:22:08 | ze | kinda like muesli i think |
| 20:22:44 | muesli- | certainly |
| 20:22:53 | ze | wheat flakes, rolled oats, wheat germ (i'll leave that out next time i think though), walnuts, almonds, hazelnuts, dates, raisins, cinnamon, nutmeg, brown sugar, honey, and rice milk |
| 20:23:01 | ze | (and toasted till dry and crispy) |
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| 20:23:18 | ze | and i just realized i forgot to write down how much brown sugar i put in |
| 20:24:10 | XavierGr | amiconn: ConTEXT editor is a beauty indeed! Have you used notepad2 (though this is a notepad replacement rather than programming editor (with limited syntax highlighting)) |
| 20:24:57 | _FireFly_ | metapad is also a good notepad replacement :) |
| 20:25:13 | dpassen1 | ive always liked ultraedit for coding |
| 20:25:27 | * | ender` uses a console-based file manager for about 80% of the things he does with computer |
| 20:25:41 | XavierGr | I will have to disagree on Ultra Edit |
| 20:25:49 | dpassen1 | really? |
| 20:25:50 | amiconn | No. Before discovering ConTEXT I used phase5. But phase5 is tailored for HTML editing, and has resource problems if kept open for extended times |
| 20:25:53 | _FireFly_ | ender`: mc ? |
| 20:26:00 | amiconn | (and isn't developed any more afaik) |
| 20:26:04 | ender` | on linux, yes, but on windows i use FAR |
| 20:26:40 | XavierGr | dpassen1: I remember it was a little heavy... |
| 20:26:58 | dpassen1 | still is, i recently tried UEStudio, its gotten heavier |
| 20:27:03 | ze | i dunno what makes muesli muesli though |
| 20:27:11 | ze | bbl, gotta get ready for school |
| 20:27:12 | dpassen1 | ill give ConTEXT a try |
| 20:27:36 | amiconn | dpassen1: I didn't try UltraEdit, mainly for one reason: it costs money |
| 20:27:38 | muesli- | ze i am unique ^^ |
| 20:27:43 | amiconn | ConTEXT is free |
| 20:27:53 | amiconn | (not as in speech, but as in beer ;) ) |
| 20:27:56 | dpassen1 | i must try it then |
| 20:29:09 | XavierGr | what's the output console on ConTEXT for? |
| 20:30:13 | muesli- | btw benchmarked ~25h of runtime |
| 20:30:23 | dpassen1 | can you fold and expand functions in ConTEXT? |
| 20:30:38 | XavierGr | then less battery time? |
| 20:30:55 | XavierGr | link for test results? |
| 20:31:09 | muesli- | XavierGr just a second |
| 20:34:23 | muesli- | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1651.0 |
| 20:34:27 | muesli- | here we go |
| 20:35:21 | XavierGr | so it died on the 25th hour? |
| 20:35:50 | XavierGr | or it continues to work? |
| 20:35:51 | muesli- | something like this |
| 20:36:08 | XavierGr | first or second? |
| 20:36:09 | muesli- | no, it shut down after 25hours |
| 20:36:33 | muesli- | <XavierGr> so it died on the 25th hour? ->yes |
| 20:36:43 | muesli- | ~25h |
| 20:36:44 | XavierGr | hmmm that is 4 whole hours, where those went? |
| 20:36:54 | muesli- | yepp |
| 20:36:58 | XavierGr | I couldn't expect that |
| 20:37:03 | _FireFly_ | on the high bass boost |
| 20:37:17 | _FireFly_ | or had you the same bass boost on iriver fw ?? |
| 20:37:26 | muesli- | yepp.. |
| 20:37:30 | muesli- | no |
| 20:37:34 | muesli- | hmpf |
| 20:37:39 | XavierGr | I think it could be better to run the test with flat eq. |
| 20:37:42 | _FireFly_ | was denn nu ?? :) |
| 20:37:46 | muesli- | i had to set the bass @24 to get same results |
| 20:37:58 | muesli- | XavierGr true |
| 20:38:13 | muesli- | but those lab tests suck |
| 20:38:29 | muesli- | i'd loved to get a useful result |
| 20:38:36 | XavierGr | I never use eq! :) |
| 20:38:55 | _FireFly_ | "robin hood helden in strumpfhosen" is currently on tv :) |
| 20:39:10 | muesli- | station? |
| 20:39:16 | _FireFly_ | kabel1 |
| 20:39:30 | muesli- | am just looking who wants to be a millionaire |
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| 20:54:43 | lamed | what's a good program to split mp3 file and having it gaplessed? |
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| 21:16:22 | muesli- | _FireFly_ "behind bars" @rtl :D |
| 21:17:06 | _FireFly_ | better numb3rs |
| 21:17:13 | _FireFly_ | @pro7 |
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| 21:18:06 | muesli- | uuuh l33t stuff ;) |
| 21:18:21 | _FireFly_ | so is the original title :) |
| 21:18:48 | muesli- | but prefer report @ard |
| 21:28:27 | Slasheri | btw, the musepack sounds clearly superiour to vorbis/mp3.. maybe i should start encoding with that |
| 21:28:54 | crwl | "sounds"? |
| 21:29:08 | crwl | i have yet to ABX -q4 ogg vorbis |
| 21:29:11 | dpassen1 | musepack is superior @ 160 kbps and up |
| 21:29:15 | Slasheri | hehe, yes. Drums etc. are very clear |
| 21:29:24 | crwl | though, i haven't tried with my "new" headphones yet |
| 21:30:54 | crwl | Slasheri, at what bitrates is that? |
| 21:31:30 | dpassen1 | Slasheri: if that will inspire you to optimize libmusepack, maybe you should ;-) |
| 21:31:55 | Slasheri | crwl: Hmm, something over 200. But i need to do more testing.. |
| 21:31:59 | Slasheri | :D |
| 21:32:05 | crwl | Slasheri, well, i'm quite sceptical on that |
| 21:32:19 | Slasheri | I think amiconn already has great ideas doing that |
| 21:32:45 | dpassen1 | crwl: musepack −−standard is comparable to lame mp3 −−aps and ogg -q6 (i believe) but yields a lower bitrate |
| 21:32:51 | crwl | i once thought i could hear all kinds of differences with even highish-bitrate files (>160 kbps VBR mp3's/oggs), but when i tried ABXing them, i couldn't |
| 21:33:53 | dpassen1 | theres only one song ive ever had, of all my −−aps mp3s where i could hear something that sounded weird and then could abx regularly |
| 21:34:15 | crwl | dpassen1, yes... but most people (i guess over 99%) can't hear differences between ~200 kbps files and the original with any modern encoder, regardless of the format |
| 21:34:22 | dpassen1 | true |
| 21:34:26 | crwl | of course i'm not claiming that somebody can't |
| 21:34:34 | dpassen1 | i think i support that, only one song out of nearly 2500 |
| 21:35:40 | crwl | somebody could ABX the gaps between mp3 files, though :P |
| 21:36:39 | crwl | anyway, i always encode to FLAC now |
| 21:36:47 | crwl | and transcode to -q4 oggs to my iriver |
| 21:36:57 | crwl | and i think that's more than enough when i'm on the road |
| 21:37:11 | crwl | ...because last time i tried, i couldn't reliably ABX those from the original |
| 21:37:15 | crwl | i should try again though :) |
| 21:37:25 | dpassen1 | when i get a new HDD, im thinking of reripping everything to WavPack Hybrid, putting the .wv files on my H120, and when i listen on main system, .wv plus .wvc |
| 21:38:10 | crwl | 2yeah |
| 21:38:33 | crwl | i'm not really delighted of musepack, monkey's audio or wavpack... mostly because of the lacking support on any other platform besides win32 |
| 21:38:39 | crwl | though wavpack is somewhat better, i think? |
| 21:38:52 | crwl | i haven't seen a single file in that format yet, though :) |
| 21:39:02 | dpassen1 | i know wavpack isn't as tied as monkey's audio |
| 21:39:15 | crwl | yes, they seem to have some player plugins at least |
| 21:39:24 | crwl | and at least a linux decoder |
| 21:39:49 | _FireFly_ | decoder/encoder |
| 21:40:14 | crwl | that's good |
| 21:40:33 | crwl | it's always possible to convert lossless files |
| 21:41:18 | Slasheri | musepack and wavpack works great on linux at least |
| 21:41:23 | crwl | i ran to some .ape files the other day... and couldn't even decode them |
| 21:41:31 | crwl | Slasheri, do they have gstreamer/xine plugins to use with amaroK? |
| 21:41:45 | Slasheri | crwl: yes, amarok plays musepack great |
| 21:41:49 | Slasheri | haven't tried wavpack |
| 21:41:54 | crwl | i found a linux ape tool from frank klemm's site, but it just gave some odd error |
| 21:42:09 | crwl | well, wavpacks are convertable to flac so that's no big problem |
| 21:42:17 | Slasheri | but now sleep :) -> |
| 21:42:20 | crwl | bye :) |
| 21:43:19 | _FireFly_ | curl i use this apev2 tag tool http://muth.org/Robert/Apetag/ |
| 21:43:27 | _FireFly_ | crwl: |
| 21:44:21 | _FireFly_ | by the way the wavpack encoder has under linux the possibility to tag the files self |
| 21:44:25 | solexx | is there any mass tagging tool with flac supprt that doesn't suck? |
| 21:44:32 | solexx | preferably for linux |
| 21:44:37 | _FireFly_ | easytag |
| 21:44:48 | solexx | _FireFly_: using that right now |
| 21:44:50 | thegeek_ | foobar2000 <3 |
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| 21:44:59 | solexx | it doesn't handle umlauts very well |
| 21:45:08 | _FireFly_ | which version ?? |
| 21:45:23 | solexx | easytag_1.99.8-1_i386.deb |
| 21:45:26 | crwl | i haven't had umlaut problems with easytag, but crashing problems... yes |
| 21:45:57 | solexx | maybe my umlauts are broken. don't even know whether they are in iso ur utf |
| 21:46:01 | solexx | s/ur/or |
| 21:46:12 | solexx | is abcde known to be broken in this regard? |
| 21:46:16 | crwl | no idea |
| 21:46:31 | solexx | i am using it for ripping my whole cd ccollection to flac atm |
| 21:46:34 | crwl | jack was my favourite text mode ripping tool |
| 21:47:11 | solexx | hm, doesn't do flac |
| 21:47:14 | crwl | but for some reason i stopped using it, and used grip for a while... which had some really strange utf-8 problems and crasing stuff at some point, so i switched to kaudiocreator which just seems to do the job and shut up |
| 21:47:18 | crwl | doesn't it? |
| 21:47:36 | solexx | not according to debian's package description |
| 21:47:44 | crwl | well, according to http://www.home.unix-ag.org/arne/jack/requirements.html it does |
| 21:48:09 | solexx | thy |
| 21:48:13 | solexx | damnit. thanks |
| 21:48:17 | crwl | i can't remember, though. maybe i only encoded to vorbis when i used it... |
| 21:48:53 | solexx | i found abcde pretty cool when i re-discovered it some days ago |
| 21:49:06 | crwl | does it encode and rip at the same time already? |
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| 21:49:12 | solexx | but you have to go through shell-hell when you want to influence file-naming |
| 21:49:23 | solexx | crwl: abcde? it does,. |
| 21:49:41 | crwl | solexx, hmm, maybe i just remember wrong or then it didn't do that some years ago :) |
| 21:51:30 | solexx | this whole undertaking is a little exhausting because weird characters screw up every other tool i am using |
| 21:51:57 | solexx | strangely, some iso-8859-1 characters make it through to the filename *and* the tag and some don't |
| 21:52:16 | crwl | huh |
| 21:52:20 | solexx | i should have replaced all of them in the first place |
| 21:52:23 | crwl | luckily i haven't run to anything like that :x |
| 21:52:36 | solexx | or have my system switched to utf8 completely |
| 21:54:14 | solexx | but then again, file names could still be broken on their way to the fat filesystem of my iriver... |
| 21:55:19 | solexx | crwl: is there any way to tell easytag to use only lowercase characters for filenames? |
| 21:58:06 | crwl | solexx, no, i'm not sure there is... |
| 21:59:17 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:59:57 | solexx | thanks. will use qmv then |
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| 22:00:36 | * | solexx needs a new harddisk, or two |
| 22:00:41 | solexx | afk |
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| 22:35:29 | lamed | is firefly remote patch on the cvs? where? |
| 22:36:11 | t0mas | not afaik |
| 22:37:18 | lamed | ah. off of that, i think "load firmware file" should remamber what was your last move. don't you agree? |
| 22:38:53 | lamed | quote Re: Remote lcd support(testing) |
| 22:38:56 | lamed | the fix was commited to cvs |
| 22:39:01 | lamed | nd i have only updated my copy through cvs and rebuild it. |
| 22:39:12 | lamed | unquote firefly |
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