| 00:02:25 | amiconn | (1) .irodata (selectable with the ICONST_ATTR attribute macro) - to allow const data in iram, without section type conflict |
| 00:03:16 | amiconn | (2) .ibss (selectable with the IBSS_ATTR attribute macro) - to exclude unititialised iram data from the binary |
| 00:03:44 | linuxstb | Sounds good. |
| 00:03:47 | preglow | the last will require an extra line in all code using iram, yes? |
| 00:03:56 | preglow | a memset? |
| 00:04:11 | linuxstb | crt0.s does the initialisation (I think). |
| 00:04:25 | preglow | very improbable |
| 00:04:28 | preglow | crt0.S is only run once, afaik |
| 00:04:38 | amiconn | I'm still undecided whether I should handle (2) specially for plugins/codecs as well |
| 00:04:39 | preglow | and codecs need to init the bss again each time they're started |
| 00:05:12 | amiconn | Codecs and plugins don't need to init bss atm, since it's part of the binary |
| 00:05:21 | preglow | exactly |
| 00:05:26 | amiconn | I think handling iram the same would be consistent |
| 00:05:48 | amiconn | However, the core handles .bss specially, and so it should handle .ibss specially |
| 00:06:04 | preglow | ahh, right, codecs dont even handle bss in any special way now |
| 00:06:16 | amiconn | ...and the core does the section handling in crt0.S |
| 00:07:04 | linuxstb | So if plugins use ibss, then the plugin loader will need to initialise it? |
| 00:07:37 | linuxstb | Or are you not thinking about plugins? |
| 00:07:42 | preglow | it's not handled like that for codecs/plugins yet |
| 00:07:47 | amiconn | I'm mainly thinking about the core |
| 00:07:48 | preglow | even bss is included verbatim in the binary image |
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| 00:15:46 | amiconn | Ahahaha - the initialised part of today's .idata is ... 8 bytes! |
| 00:15:51 | amiconn | Everything else is bss |
| 00:16:18 | amiconn | 30664 bytes |
| 00:18:08 | linuxstb | Are you talking about the core? |
| 00:18:28 | linuxstb | What are those 8 bytes? |
| 00:18:59 | amiconn | In fact there are 24 bytes (16 const and 8 variable). All of these are in lcd-h100.c |
| 00:19:34 | amiconn | dibits[16], fgpattern and bgpattern |
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| 03:24:41 | AEnertia | where is the new dev mailing list at? |
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| 07:34:26 | Bger | morning :) |
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| 10:29:44 | AEnertia | Hi guys |
| 10:29:54 | AEnertia | what is the new dev mailing list? |
| 10:30:11 | AEnertia | also if you are not aware : http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/en/m/ev50/index.html |
| 10:30:12 | LinusN | just a split, so the devs have their own list |
| 10:30:43 | AEnertia | And the old one is back up as of today? |
| 10:30:56 | LinusN | it was never down |
| 10:31:00 | AEnertia | I have not seen any traffic for a good month or so now since the wikidephiling |
| 10:31:08 | Bger | yes, it's just for ordinary users afaiu |
| 10:31:33 | AEnertia | How the h300 port going BTW, I have a unit now to test with |
| 10:31:38 | LinusN | AEnertia: you might have been unsubscribed as a result of the attack |
| 10:31:46 | AEnertia | I'm guessing the screen code is still the kicker atm |
| 10:31:59 | LinusN | AEnertia: yes, that and the power management |
| 10:32:50 | Bger | austriancoder wrote some code about this PMU afaik... |
| 10:34:31 | LinusN | he did? where is it? |
| 10:35:45 | Bger | where is ac is the question ... |
| 10:36:07 | Bger | but iaudio x5 has the same pmu |
| 10:36:19 | Bger | and he started writing a driver for it... |
| 10:36:30 | Bger | at least he said so |
| 10:37:11 | LinusN | he seems to have disappeared |
| 10:38:06 | Ctcp | Ignored 5 channel CTCP requests in 5 minutes and 10 seconds at the last flood |
| 10:38:06 | * | Bger hopes that ac is ok, having in mind floodings in austria... |
| 10:40:25 | LinusN | last time i heard from him was 2005-09-14, he had been on vacation, and "things are running back to normality" |
| 10:40:35 | LinusN | silent since then |
| 10:40:40 | Bger | aha... |
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| 10:43:47 | |Lupin| | Someone saw my mail on rockbox-dev, guys ? |
| 10:44:39 | LinusN | yes i saw it |
| 10:45:09 | |Lupin| | LinusN: May I ask wether it inspires you sth ? |
| 10:45:44 | LinusN | more like transpiring :-) |
| 10:45:56 | |Lupin| | hmm... |
| 10:46:11 | |Lupin| | Is there sth I can do to help ? |
| 10:46:27 | |Lupin| | (hopefully someone can reproduce the problem...) |
| 10:46:32 | LinusN | only directories are spelled, right? |
| 10:46:51 | |Lupin| | it's the feeling I got, yes. |
| 10:47:31 | |Lupin| | at the root of the disk, I have three directories which are read |
| 10:47:37 | |Lupin| | and twice I hear nothing |
| 10:47:50 | LinusN | there are separate settings for directories and files |
| 10:47:51 | |Lupin| | s/twice/thrice/ |
| 10:48:26 | |Lupin| | and I have exactly three files sitting there: the firmware I used while upgrading, rockbox.iriver, and a song I put there on purpose. |
| 10:48:35 | |Lupin| | oh really ? |
| 10:48:38 | |Lupin| | Ok, I check. |
| 10:48:40 | LinusN | |Lupin|: just curious, how do you IRC? you have a sighted person with you? |
| 10:49:15 | |Lupin| | no no :) |
| 10:49:18 | |Lupin| | Fortunately not :) |
| 10:49:25 | |Lupin| | I use something called a "braille terminal". |
| 10:49:30 | LinusN | aha |
| 10:49:34 | |Lupin| | Have a look to http://mielke.cc/brltty/ |
| 10:49:40 | LinusN | technology nowadays... |
| 10:50:05 | |Lupin| | powerful indeed. |
| 10:50:10 | LinusN | damn cool |
| 10:50:39 | |Lupin| | yeah |
| 10:52:14 | |Lupin| | Being able touse Linux was really a liberation... |
| 10:52:23 | LinusN | did it take you long to learn braille? |
| 10:53:06 | |Lupin| | Hmm, it works much better now ! Really sorry forthe trouble. It might be better not to apologize onthelist, to avoid disturbing people even more, but I'm really confused I didn't find it out myself... |
| 10:53:19 | LinusN | :-) |
| 10:54:00 | |Lupin| | LinusN: Learning braille is just as difficult as learning any other writing technique, I think. Luckily enough, I was born blind so I learned it at school at the same age other people learn to read / write... |
| 10:54:11 | LinusN | (how does a smiley look in braille?) |
| 10:54:34 | |Lupin| | like a : followed by a ) |
| 10:54:47 | |Lupin| | i.e. you have to learn them by heart, but it's not too difficult... |
| 10:55:33 | LinusN | i'm looking for some braille alphabet cards, but the punctuation characters aren't there |
| 10:55:48 | |Lupin| | indeed |
| 10:56:06 | |Lupin| | unfortunately they depend on the country, and on even more other factors |
| 10:56:15 | |Lupin| | like who built the braille terminal you use. |
| 10:56:43 | |Lupin| | Would it be feasable (easy) to interrupt the spelling when a key is pressed ? |
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| 10:57:25 | LinusN | |Lupin|: i think so |
| 10:58:10 | |Lupin| | it'd really be good: it'd make things much more interactive and fluid, IMHO. |
| 10:58:44 | LinusN | wait, so it doesn't interrupt the spelling when you move the cursor to a new file? |
| 10:58:48 | |Lupin| | Well: I'll probably have to go through all the guides written for developers and try to submit patches myself, instead of requiring for features... |
| 10:59:03 | |Lupin| | No, it does not. |
| 10:59:13 | LinusN | that's a bug |
| 10:59:44 | |Lupin| | It gets confused and mixes speling of several files when I do it a bit quickly... |
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| 11:00:01 | LinusN | the archos version works better in that respect |
| 11:00:01 | |Lupin| | LinusN: Do you know in which part of the sources this is handled ? |
| 11:00:24 | |Lupin| | ah the code for Archos is not the same than the one for Iriver ? |
| 11:00:35 | LinusN | no, not the audio parts |
| 11:00:50 | |Lupin| | Too bad it is not possible to share code... |
| 11:00:52 | LinusN | the voice support for iriver is still a work in progress |
| 11:01:18 | |Lupin| | I thought common code (depending on some hardware specific functions) could be used... |
| 11:01:33 | Bger | that's the plan.. |
| 11:01:43 | |Lupin| | I see... |
| 11:02:27 | LinusN | |Lupin|: it's the hardware specific functions that is the problem |
| 11:02:48 | |Lupin| | May I ask what's missing ? |
| 11:03:27 | LinusN | the iriver code has a special handling for voice playback that mixes the voice with the music |
| 11:03:55 | LinusN | and that code is not perfected yet |
| 11:03:58 | |Lupin| | yeah, indeed. this is notpossible on Archos models ? |
| 11:04:02 | LinusN | no |
| 11:04:10 | |Lupin| | ok so Iriver is nice :-) |
| 11:04:42 | LinusN | sort of :-) |
| 11:05:22 | |Lupin| | How is it possible to stop/pause playing a song ? Is it mandatory to use theQuick menu ? |
| 11:08:48 | amiconn | hi LinusN :) |
| 11:09:11 | LinusN | |Lupin|: you can only stop/pause a song in the wps |
| 11:09:15 | LinusN | amiconn: yo yo yo |
| 11:09:38 | amiconn | LinusN: I have a patch that I would like you to have a look at it :) |
| 11:10:35 | amiconn | I've implemented two additional iram sections, .irodata (selectable with ICONST_ATTR) and .ibss (selectable with IBSS_ATTR) |
| 11:10:44 | LinusN | amiconn: what did i miss about the refresh timer? |
| 11:11:37 | amiconn | You set the counter to 48 cycles, but the comment said 64. Furthermore, 80 cycles is stil within specs for 4096-cyle-refresh sdram |
| 11:12:03 | LinusN | oops |
| 11:12:07 | |Lupin| | LinusN: but which keys should I use to stop/pause, pls ? |
| 11:12:11 | Bger | offt: any near time for h300, LinusN ? |
| 11:12:24 | LinusN | your new optimized copy loops have a tiny flaw |
| 11:12:42 | LinusN | |Lupin|: the Play key toggles play and pause |
| 11:12:57 | LinusN | |Lupin|: the Stop key stops |
| 11:13:12 | amiconn | LinusN: .irodata is only cosmetic, for allowing const data in iram w/o the compiler complaining about a section type conflict |
| 11:13:40 | LinusN | Bger: time, oh, give me time... (Culture Club IIRC) |
| 11:13:45 | amiconn | However, .ibss reduces binary size quite a bit - ~500 bytes on archos, ~30 KB on iriver |
| 11:13:56 | LinusN | amiconn: great |
| 11:14:27 | LinusN | amiconn: the optimized copy loops can't handle empty sections |
| 11:14:29 | Bger | ( |
| 11:14:31 | Bger | :( |
| 11:15:36 | |Lupin| | It works indeed. The way it stops / pauses is a bit surprising, though: instead of doing it directly, first the volume decreases a litle bit, andthen only it stops or pauses. |
| 11:16:02 | amiconn | LinusN: I know. crt0.S could handle empty sections before on iriver, but not on archos. My new patch corrects that for both (except the stack munge which should never be empty) |
| 11:16:05 | LinusN | |Lupin|: i guess the "fade on stop" option is enabled |
| 11:16:09 | Bger | |Lupin| crossfade on ? |
| 11:16:19 | Bger | oh, sorry :0 |
| 11:16:58 | |Lupin| | ahah ! |
| 11:17:08 | |Lupin| | So many stupidquestions in one morning... |
| 11:18:08 | LinusN | amiconn: the iriver .iramloop doesn't handle empty sections anymore |
| 11:18:39 | * | |Lupin| promise he'll read the available doc before asking _any_ further question. |
| 11:19:29 | LinusN | amiconn: i like your idea about the new sections |
| 11:19:56 | amiconn | [11:14:00] <amiconn> LinusN: I know. crt0.S could handle empty sections before on iriver, but not on archos. My new patch corrects that for both (except the stack munge which should never be empty) |
| 11:20:15 | LinusN | i reread that and understood what you meant, sorry |
| 11:21:02 | amiconn | amiconn.dyndns.org/iram-sections.patch">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/iram-sections.patch |
| 11:22:21 | amiconn | This patch also tries to unify the init code a bit more (label names etc) |
| 11:22:36 | amiconn | I already have that running on my 5 rockboxes :) |
| 11:23:02 | LinusN | i like it, commit it |
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| 11:39:20 | B4gder | http://daniel.haxx.se/photos/snaxx-2002-09/IMG_0761.JPG |
| 11:39:32 | B4gder | >3 years ago by now |
| 11:41:04 | Bger | there must be a new issue :P "Rewriting DAP firmware from scratch..." |
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| 12:02:51 | Slasheri | Bagder: hehe, that is a nice shirt ;) |
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| 12:11:09 | muesli- | jojo |
| 12:12:50 | Bger | high:P |
| 12:13:03 | muesli- | ^^ |
| 12:19:11 | markun | amiconn: I juste made a crossfeed dsp effect for rockbox. Could you take a look at it and tell me what could be optimized? |
| 12:21:54 | markun | Slasheri: When I leave USB mode it rescans the HD. If it rockbox.iriver was changed it askes me if I want to reboot. After rebooting the dircache is rebuild, but not in the background.. |
| 12:22:43 | Slasheri | markun: Ah yes, that is a bug. I will fix it right now (just got some time) :) |
| 12:22:59 | Slasheri | or it was a feature but now i consider it as a bug.. |
| 12:23:03 | markun | Great. |
| 12:23:11 | |Lupin| | pls, what does ISR mean in rockbox's source code ? |
| 12:23:27 | LinusN | Interrupt Service Routine |
| 12:23:35 | |Lupin| | oh of course, thx. |
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| 12:31:59 | Rori | can anyone explain what 'move to next folder' is supposed to do? |
| 12:32:05 | Rori | In playback options |
| 12:32:22 | Rori | if it's what I think it is it don't work |
| 12:32:44 | markun | Rori: I continues playing the next folder in the tree after it finishes playing the current folder. |
| 12:32:54 | Rori | does not work then |
| 12:33:03 | markun | Never tried it. |
| 12:33:12 | Rori | I play the last song in a folder and it always goes back to the first track in the folder |
| 12:33:30 | markun | Maybe it's on repeat? |
| 12:33:31 | Rori | it never goes to the next folder |
| 12:34:10 | Rori | Reapt all is on |
| 12:34:18 | Rori | repeat all |
| 12:34:41 | Rori | that should mean it would only repeat all from the beginning once it reached the last folder |
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| 12:35:46 | markun | I'm not sure what it should do. |
| 12:36:18 | LinusN | Rori: i agree, and work is being done, but for now, you'll have to set repeat=off |
| 12:36:37 | Febs | Repeat all means that it repeats all songs in the current playlist. |
| 12:36:48 | Febs | When playing a folder, the playlist is the folder. |
| 12:36:53 | Rori | ok |
| 12:37:03 | Rori | anyhow turning it off fixed it |
| 12:37:04 | Rori | ta |
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| 12:53:53 | muesli- | HCl ? |
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| 13:00:17 | markun | Can anyone take a look at and comment on my crossfeed effect? http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/crossfeed.diff |
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| 13:14:59 | _FireFly_ | markun: that isn't the complete patch is it ? |
| 13:15:33 | _FireFly_ | because i can't see where DSP_CROSSFEED is declared |
| 13:16:02 | markun | _FireFly_: I forgot to include dsp.h and I need to change the settings menu. |
| 13:16:47 | _FireFly_ | ah ok, don't forget to bump the config-version define in setting.c |
| 13:17:01 | markun | apply_crossfeed takes up a lot of CPU, but I don't really know how to optimize it. |
| 13:17:44 | _FireFly_ | CONFIG_BLOCK_VERSION must be bumped if the setting is changed |
| 13:17:50 | _FireFly_ | in settings.c |
| 13:17:53 | markun | Yes, I know. |
| 13:18:06 | B4gder | neuros reached slashdot |
| 13:18:17 | amiconn | _FireFly_: Bumping the config version is *only* necessary when some in-between setting is changed (removed, or different bit width) |
| 13:18:19 | B4gder | http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/19/012249&from=rss |
| 13:18:19 | LinusN | no, it doesn't have to be bumped if you add the setting last |
| 13:18:29 | amiconn | Just appending a new setting at the end doesn't require it |
| 13:18:35 | _FireFly_ | ah ok |
| 13:19:06 | _FireFly_ | i had to bump it in my remote patch because i had added the new settings for the remote not on the end |
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| 13:37:22 | Slasheri | markun: Hmm, that crossfeed patch looks nice :) |
| 13:37:48 | markun | preglow just gave me some macros to optimize it. |
| 13:37:58 | Slasheri | ah, good |
| 13:38:01 | preglow | we need dsp plugins! |
| 13:38:14 | Slasheri | =) |
| 13:38:20 | markun | What about a concert-hall reverb? :) |
| 13:38:24 | preglow | haha |
| 13:38:37 | preglow | should be easy if our poor cpu can stand the memory overhead |
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| 13:47:40 | Febs | The world is apparently waiting for parametric EQ: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1595.0 |
| 13:48:44 | thegeek_ | well |
| 13:48:45 | thegeek_ | I agree |
| 13:48:55 | thegeek_ | a good eq is the only feature I'm really missing;) |
| 13:49:10 | preglow | well |
| 13:49:27 | preglow | i guess i could start working on it |
| 13:49:37 | preglow | but i don't have much time for rockbox now |
| 13:49:42 | thegeek_ | ha! you'd better get it finished soon! |
| 13:49:43 | thegeek_ | ;) |
| 13:50:08 | thegeek_ | that was a joke btw;) |
| 13:51:37 | Febs | I think that a parametric EQ would be a good addition to Rockbox ... although I personally usually keep the EQ flat. |
| 13:51:58 | thegeek_ | mhm |
| 13:52:09 | Febs | Just out of curiosity, if the EQ is done in software, how much of a battery hit would it cause? |
| 13:54:17 | preglow | i never use the eq |
| 13:54:19 | Bger | Febs there's no other opportunity than doing it in software on iriver |
| 13:54:35 | preglow | but i guess i'm the best chance of an eq happening anyway |
| 13:54:35 | Bger | if u want more than bass & trebble |
| 13:57:09 | Febs | Oh, I understand that the DAC has only bass and treble boost functions, and therefore any other EQ needs to be in software. I am assuming that it will reduce battery life for the same reason that use of the SRS/WOW function on the original firmware reduces battery life. |
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| 14:00:07 | Bger | preglow ? |
| 14:00:17 | preglow | Bger: yes? |
| 14:00:32 | Bger | about the software EQ and battery usage :) |
| 14:00:39 | preglow | it will affect battery usage |
| 14:00:51 | preglow | how much depends on how good a job i do |
| 14:00:55 | preglow | and how many bands you people want |
| 14:01:02 | Febs | Makes sense. :) |
| 14:01:05 | Bger | hehe :) |
| 14:02:00 | Bger | i think at least 5 bands... maybe an option between 5 and 10 ... |
| 14:03:03 | preglow | well, the number is really just a gui issue |
| 14:03:10 | preglow | internally, it's easy to add as many as you want |
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| 14:05:24 | Bger | its battery usage will be linear func of the number of bands or ? |
| 14:05:34 | preglow | well, yeah |
| 14:05:35 | Bger | s/battery/cpu |
| 14:05:42 | preglow | each band takes an equal amount of cpu,so that should be true |
| 14:07:25 | Febs | If and when you do get around to writing an EQ function, let me know and I'd be happy to write documentation. |
| 14:07:30 | preglow | okies |
| 14:07:44 | preglow | i might start doing some preliminary work afterwards |
| 14:08:38 | * | Febs ponders how to explain "Q" to an audience that doesn't understand what "bass" and "treble" are. |
| 14:08:40 | XavierGr | preglow: I was wondering if one can make the crossfade option to be trigerred only in track skipping? My unit is faulty and whenever I skip a track with ffw/rw sometimes I can hear a pop (or a segment of the track). |
| 14:08:51 | preglow | Febs: perhaps bandwidth is a better term to use |
| 14:09:09 | XavierGr | Though crossfade works okay but I can't have gapless if set to mix |
| 14:09:10 | preglow | XavierGr: ask slasheri |
| 14:09:27 | Slasheri | Hmm.. I will try to buy a broken h320 from ebay.. It looks pretty cheap, only hdd broken :) |
| 14:09:34 | XavierGr | I thought you were for it I will, thanks anyway. |
| 14:09:44 | XavierGr | oh hi Slasheri. |
| 14:09:49 | Slasheri | hi |
| 14:09:53 | XavierGr | Is my question possible? |
| 14:10:05 | Slasheri | XavierGr: what kind of tracks are you playing? |
| 14:10:27 | Slasheri | if you hear segments of previous track with crossfade, it seems that decoding is not fast enough (high bitrate file or musepack) |
| 14:10:28 | XavierGr | mp3 only 160 cbr and 192 vbr |
| 14:10:35 | Slasheri | hmm, weird.. |
| 14:10:44 | XavierGr | nono crossfading works okay |
| 14:10:57 | Slasheri | oh, so that's without crossfade? |
| 14:11:09 | preglow | without crossfade it glitches like mad |
| 14:11:11 | XavierGr | yes |
| 14:11:13 | preglow | so there's no surprise there |
| 14:11:19 | Slasheri | ok, i will try to fix that.. |
| 14:11:25 | Slasheri | it's a bug |
| 14:11:31 | preglow | no shit :P |
| 14:11:34 | Slasheri | :) |
| 14:11:38 | XavierGr | fix what I thought that this was my player. |
| 14:11:48 | * | XavierGr got confused |
| 14:12:03 | Slasheri | i haven't noticed it because i always have crossfade enabled :/ |
| 14:12:14 | XavierGr | I thought that only my player did these pops on track skipping (not normal changing) |
| 14:12:15 | preglow | and i never use crossfade, so i always notice it |
| 14:12:21 | XavierGr | :/ |
| 14:12:29 | XavierGr | Crossfade works like a charm yes. |
| 14:12:58 | XavierGr | Ah so there are those skipping pops left, then it isn't my unit? |
| 14:13:31 | preglow | what i'm talking about is that skipping to a new track sometimes results in the old track popping back in sometimes |
| 14:13:49 | preglow | usually a couple of times before the new track starts playing straight |
| 14:13:52 | XavierGr | yes exactly! |
| 14:14:12 | XavierGr | but this appears more than oftet to me. |
| 14:14:19 | preglow | happens all the time to me |
| 14:14:28 | preglow | slasheri knows why it happens |
| 14:14:33 | preglow | and it shouldn't be too hard to fix, afaik |
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| 14:14:39 | XavierGr | yeah I suppose so. |
| 14:15:04 | XavierGr | It is just that someone told me that this isn't the case for his unit so I thought that my unit is mulnfunctioning |
| 14:15:40 | XavierGr | and yes if these pops can be removed I would be in debt to you Slash :D |
| 14:16:55 | XavierGr | oh and Slasheri, what about gapless tracks (joined tracks) if you have crossfade on you can't hear them in the right way, do you like that? (I guess you dont have much of these trackes then) |
| 14:17:26 | Slasheri | XavierGr: i have some but not many. anyway, i will try to fix that problem very soon |
| 14:18:37 | XavierGr | but I guess that it would be far more complex even impossible to determine if a track has a joined end to another (and set crossfade off) or not (and set crossfade on)... seems very difficult to me |
| 14:19:25 | Slasheri | yep, it is difficult but maybe possible |
| 14:19:53 | Slasheri | we could check the volume level or something like that at the very and and beginning of the tracks |
| 14:20:07 | Slasheri | *end |
| 14:20:40 | Slasheri | i can try that also when i have time enough.. |
| 14:21:15 | XavierGr | :D great that's awesome. |
| 14:24:03 | amiconn | Slasheri: While you are at it, you might have a look at another iriver playback glitch that isn't present in the archos playback engine |
| 14:24:27 | XavierGr | Playback code, and boot code (low level, initialization of the device) seems like magic to me, they are like two big black boxes. I guess you have to know many things about audio in general and audio formats to code, especially dsp and eq... |
| 14:25:43 | Bger | more probably u must know DSP to code DSP/EQ stuff |
| 14:25:56 | amiconn | With ffwd/rewind, the progress bar briefly snaps back to zero when releasing the button, then it jumps to the correct time again |
| 14:26:05 | amiconn | This is somewhat irritating... |
| 14:26:35 | XavierGr | yes I see that too. |
| 14:26:52 | XavierGr | though not so annoying... |
| 14:27:55 | Febs | When FF/RWing a large .wav file, the progress bar will advance, but then snap back to the original position. |
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| 14:32:15 | Slasheri | argh.. now i hate ebay so much and don't trust it at all.. The registration process failed just at the point where i was requested to provide the credit card information. Server error, user not found etc.. |
| 14:32:55 | Slasheri | amiconn: Hmm, i will look that |
| 14:33:21 | XavierGr | well I have found a minor solution over frauds with credit cards. |
| 14:34:39 | XavierGr | I have a different bank account with a safe ammount of funds. (e.g. 100 euros) Then I got a debit card for this bank acount and registered paypal. Even if my number gets on evil hands I will not loose more than 100 euros. |
| 14:35:11 | XavierGr | But I guess that this will be a pain for heavy online users. |
| 14:35:19 | ashridah | XavierGr: you can get banks that will issue one-shot CC numbers with preset limits |
| 14:35:21 | Slasheri | Hmm.. i have a visa card |
| 14:35:43 | ashridah | you order a one-shot off their website with XXX amount on it, pay for it, and the CC's useless after that one transaction |
| 14:36:09 | Slasheri | If i understood correctly, it might be possible that the bank can "cancel" incorrect charges and return the funds. |
| 14:36:25 | XavierGr | might? |
| 14:36:36 | Slasheri | i have never tried that |
| 14:36:44 | B4gder | chargeback |
| 14:36:49 | Slasheri | but heard from other people that with visa it can be possible |
| 14:37:03 | B4gder | (is the term, as used by paypal at least) |
| 14:37:30 | XavierGr | it will be a difficult situtation to try to persuade them that you did't made the transaction |
| 14:37:54 | XavierGr | http://www.mail-archive.com/mp3encoder@minnie.tuhs.org/msg01984.html |
| 14:38:07 | XavierGr | what sort of developer attitude is that? |
| 14:39:03 | Zagor | are you sure he is a LAME developer? |
| 14:39:03 | XavierGr | I mean at list he could be kind, there was no sarcasm in the question.... |
| 14:39:30 | XavierGr | TEXT:Let's write and contribute it to us. |
| 14:39:31 | B4gder | I believe it might be a language problem too |
| 14:39:41 | B4gder | his english isn't exactly flawless |
| 14:39:55 | B4gder | and then it may sound bulkier than what he intended it to |
| 14:40:29 | * | B4gder in a forgiving mood today |
| 14:40:48 | B4gder | just note how I didn't trigger on the neuros mails ;-) |
| 14:40:50 | XavierGr | have to eat later all! |
| 14:41:51 | muesli- | happy pita m8 :D |
| 14:42:15 | XavierGr | steak for the moment! |
| 14:42:44 | muesli- | jesus! :D |
| 14:58:46 | _FireFly_ | It is possible that the bootloader switch the backlight of the remote (iriver) on |
| 14:59:01 | _FireFly_ | or isn't enough free space to add this to the bootloader |
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| 15:00:23 | muesli- | btw are fadings in remote backlight possible? |
| 15:00:33 | ashridah | muesli-: no |
| 15:00:43 | muesli- | oh :( |
| 15:01:02 | muesli- | why not? |
| 15:01:22 | ashridah | muesli-: the electro-luminesent lighting in the remote can't stand the kind of pulse width modulation that's possible with normal LED's |
| 15:01:41 | ashridah | it has three states. on. off. or burning out |
| 15:01:43 | ashridah | :) |
| 15:01:49 | muesli- | well.. ;) |
| 15:02:02 | B4gder | in that third state, does it fade? ;-P |
| 15:02:16 | _FireFly_ | only once i think :) |
| 15:02:21 | B4gder | hehe |
| 15:02:32 | muesli- | at least though ;) |
| 15:03:04 | _FireFly_ | but what about my question ?? |
| 15:03:32 | B4gder | yes it is possible, but no I don't think it belongs there |
| 15:03:52 | muesli- | l8er.. |
| 15:05:22 | _FireFly_ | i tried it to add this to the bootloader but it said that there weren't enought iram left |
| 15:05:32 | B4gder | iram? |
| 15:05:41 | B4gder | why have it in iram? |
| 15:05:50 | _FireFly_ | i don't know |
| 15:06:14 | _FireFly_ | maybe i had add it to the wronk function wich is in iram |
| 15:06:19 | _FireFly_ | wrong |
| 15:06:23 | B4gder | oh well, I'm not that fluent in the bootloader internals |
| 15:06:41 | amiconn | Slasheri: Where and when does it print the "rebuilding cache" text now? Can't test right now, iriver @home.. |
| 15:07:37 | amiconn | _FireFly_: The bootloader only ever uses iram or flash itself, never uses dram |
| 15:07:52 | amiconn | Otherwise it wouldn't be able to load the new image there... |
| 15:08:12 | _FireFly_ | so then it isn't currently possible to add this to the bootloader |
| 15:09:01 | B4gder | well it could use dram temporarily |
| 15:09:18 | B4gder | :-) |
| 15:09:20 | _FireFly_ | because it would be nice if the bootloader indicates that he is running by switching the backlight of the remote on |
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| 15:10:10 | _FireFly_ | or he could also display an text when the hold is on :) |
| 15:10:14 | B4gder | personally I like "I'm now started beep" of the original iriver fw |
| 15:12:43 | Slasheri | amiconn: only when enabling the cache first time (or disabling it, rebooting and enabling again) |
| 15:12:56 | Slasheri | or if the reserve space runs out.. |
| 15:13:16 | _FireFly_ | i must go cu you later |
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| 15:14:56 | Slasheri | Hmm, i was just thinkin if i could build the bdm for H320 if i manage to buy it from ebay.. But it seems the coldfire is more complicated and simply an interface cable with computer wouldn't be enough |
| 15:15:58 | Bger | someone asked could he build its own BDM for iriver and linus replyed him that it's very difficult |
| 15:16:06 | Bger | timing issues etc (iirc) |
| 15:16:29 | Slasheri | ah, yes.. it would require a microcontroller |
| 15:17:08 | Slasheri | :/ |
| 15:17:15 | B4gder | Slasheri: we could very likely sponsor you a BDM |
| 15:17:37 | Slasheri | Hmm.. :) |
| 15:18:05 | Slasheri | really? |
| 15:18:07 | B4gder | they're available for USD150 |
| 15:18:53 | Slasheri | But first i need to get the unit from ebay somehow.. Now to a lecture, see you soon -> |
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| 15:22:50 | Slasheri | ah, there is wlan :) |
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| 15:23:31 | markun | Slasheri: dircaching is still not interrupted on shutdown, is it? |
| 15:23:51 | Slasheri | markun: no, but it will be fixed on next commit :) |
| 15:24:01 | markun | nice |
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| 15:34:10 | _FireFly_ | so i'm back :) |
| 15:36:54 | Bger | hm, B4gder, why the logbot thinks that the current year is 105 ? :) |
| 15:37:16 | B4gder | it is almost taiwanese! |
| 15:37:21 | B4gder | :-) |
| 15:37:25 | Bger | hehe |
| 15:37:35 | B4gder | although they're on year 94 |
| 15:37:53 | B4gder | but ok, I am lame |
| 15:37:58 | Bger | 11 years in the future... not so much :) |
| 15:38:36 | B4gder | localtime() returns year as year - 1900 |
| 15:39:16 | _FireFly_ | :) |
| 15:39:16 | Bger | aha :) i supposed something similar |
| 15:39:31 | B4gder | and for < 2000 years, it looks ok |
| 15:40:24 | Bger | just add 1900 to it and it's ok :P |
| 15:40:29 | B4gder | yep |
| 15:40:45 | B4gder | I guess it shows how old that thing is |
| 15:41:40 | Bger | the interesting part is that nobody told this before.. most probably nobody cares... |
| 15:42:51 | B4gder | to tell the truth, I'm not sure if we run the very latest code or not |
| 15:46:17 | |Lupin| | Pls: who is responsible of the voice handling code for Iriver ? |
| 15:46:44 | Bger | slasheri wrote it |
| 15:47:27 | |Lupin| | thanks ! |
| 15:47:37 | Bger | for nothing |
| 15:48:02 | |Lupin| | :) |
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| 15:52:20 | amiconn | B4gder: Hmm, and logbot still can't explain anything :( |
| 15:52:32 | * | amiconn wonders why he recovered the whole list... |
| 15:52:36 | B4gder | nope |
| 15:56:09 | markun | In case anyone is interested in crossfeed: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/crossfeed.iriver |
| 15:56:33 | LinusN | amiconn: you wonder why you recovered it? |
| 15:58:31 | LinusN | i can only guess that you did it because you think it's a fun feature of logbot |
| 15:59:01 | LinusN | i spent hours trying to figure out why the explain feature has stopped working in logbot |
| 15:59:42 | LinusN | then i ran out of time and had to do more important stuff |
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| 16:00:08 | LinusN | and then i forgot about it |
| 16:03:13 | preglow | logbot can explain me things? |
| 16:04:00 | amiconn | LinusN: I think it has to do with user rights in logbot |
| 16:04:15 | amiconn | One needs sufficient rights in order to use the expadd command |
| 16:05:02 | LinusN | yes, but logbot should at least explain the stuff that is already in the database |
| 16:05:19 | LinusN | now it doesn't explain anything at all |
| 16:12:10 | markun | XavierGr: Did you try the crossfeed build? |
| 16:17:08 | amiconn | LinusN: Are there some default entries in the database? |
| 16:18:21 | Zagor | LinusN: sounds like a privilege level thing |
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| 16:21:59 | amiconn | I suspect there is nothing in the explain database since you updated the server installation |
| 16:25:50 | Rori | is crossfeed a plugin? |
| 16:27:05 | markun | No, it's a dsp effect. |
| 16:27:42 | Rori | how do I use it? |
| 16:27:58 | Rori | I was looking for a crossfeed effect |
| 16:28:00 | markun | Just run crossfeed.iriver and listen using headphones. |
| 16:28:16 | Rori | I mean how do I install it? |
| 16:28:47 | markun | You can compare the sound by first listening to the sound with rockbox.iriver and then crossfeed.iriver. |
| 16:29:00 | markun | You can just put it on your iriver and run it. |
| 16:29:10 | markun | .. click on it |
| 16:29:10 | Rori | oic |
| 16:29:39 | markun | I will make it optional so you can turn it on and off, but right now it's always on. |
| 16:30:06 | markun | It uses quite some CPU though. Preglow will look into optimizing it some more. |
| 16:30:12 | Rori | Rockbox is so darned clever |
| 16:30:59 | Rori | sounds good |
| 16:31:24 | Rori | I always have a problem listening to stuff on headphones because I get that weird balancing effect |
| 16:31:35 | markun | Do you have some songs whith extreme panning? Sounds coming from only one speaker. |
| 16:31:36 | Rori | crossfeed solves that for me |
| 16:31:41 | Rori | yeah sometimes |
| 16:31:50 | Rori | it drives me crazy |
| 16:32:04 | Rori | sounds like a pumping effect from one ear to the other |
| 16:32:18 | Rori | crossfeed solves that problem for me |
| 16:32:47 | markun | Yes, that's why I made it. The effect is very strong on old albums like The Beatles and Jimi Hendrix, but also some newer albums. |
| 16:33:05 | Rori | looking forward to an optimized version. I will use it all the time thanks :) |
| 16:33:31 | Rori | I got a lot of dance music that goes mad on pans and weird spreads |
| 16:34:23 | Rori | this sounds nicey nice |
| 16:34:27 | markun | Just tell me if you find any problems with it. The volume is quite a bit lower, but I don't know if that can be fixed. |
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| 16:34:49 | Rori | hmm. not noticed |
| 16:35:09 | Rori | sounds as loud as ever to me |
| 16:35:24 | markun | Hm, well, it shouldn't :) |
| 16:35:49 | Rori | I always have it all the way up with no eq on |
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| 16:36:10 | markun | Wow.. what kind of headphones do you have? |
| 16:36:31 | Rori | Sen PX100's |
| 16:36:48 | Rori | I like my bass end |
| 16:37:02 | markun | I'm listening with Koss Porta Pro at about 70% right now. |
| 16:37:09 | Rori | I have those too |
| 16:37:16 | Rori | lets test |
| 16:37:19 | markun | Normally at 65 |
| 16:38:20 | Rori | The Porta Pro's sounds almost exactly like the PX100's to my ears |
| 16:39:13 | Rori | In fact I'd say the PX100's have the edge. Bit more bass end. Porta Pro's are a little more mid range |
| 16:39:49 | Rori | PX100's have a more rounded bottom |
| 16:39:55 | Rori | and clearer highs |
| 16:40:07 | markun | I've never listened to the PX100's. I believe that HCl has a pair, maybe I can try them out sometime. |
| 16:40:12 | Rori | You might not like them if you like it more punchy in the middle |
| 16:40:21 | Rori | yeah do so |
| 16:40:29 | Rori | there is a difference but not a major one |
| 16:40:45 | Rori | I like the sound of the PX100's and they are more comfy |
| 16:40:57 | markun | I cut a hole in the foam of my porta pro's to get more highs. |
| 16:41:13 | Rori | heh |
| 16:41:23 | Rori | yeah the foams can be a bit dead |
| 16:41:50 | Rori | I'd love to try some Sure EC2's or EC3's |
| 16:42:18 | markun | Me too. Do you by any chance have the sony ex71? |
| 16:42:26 | Rori | no |
| 16:42:41 | thegeek_ | the shure e3's are ok |
| 16:42:45 | thegeek_ | but weak bass |
| 16:42:50 | thegeek_ | get the new shure e4's instead |
| 16:42:57 | Rori | hmmm how much? |
| 16:43:04 | markun | They're too expensive for me I think. |
| 16:43:25 | Zagor | the problem with them are that they are so expensive I want to try them before buying. |
| 16:43:32 | thegeek_ | how much what Rori |
| 16:43:34 | Zagor | but very few places allow testing in-ear headphones |
| 16:43:39 | thegeek_ | indeed |
| 16:43:47 | XavierGr | markun: Can you explain me what this firmware does? |
| 16:44:03 | Zagor | I got burned by the Etymotics and don't trust other people's ears any more.., |
| 16:44:03 | Rori | Sure e4's |
| 16:44:36 | markun | XavierGr: It tries to make the music sound a bit like when you listen to speakers instead of headphones. |
| 16:44:50 | Zagor | Rori: about $300 |
| 16:44:54 | * | Rori 's jaw drops |
| 16:45:03 | Rori | 8O |
| 16:45:10 | XavierGr | strange! I will try it... |
| 16:45:15 | markun | There are some songs that make you dizzy with headphones because the use of stereo is so extreme. |
| 16:45:15 | Zagor | yeah. so it's not something you want to buy on chance. |
| 16:45:21 | Rori | ~8O |
| 16:45:32 | Rori | I'd go for the E2C's |
| 16:45:41 | thegeek_ | I really like my shure e3's |
| 16:45:42 | XavierGr | ah you mean when they change between channels too fast? |
| 16:45:46 | _FireFly_ | markun have you a complete patch somewhere ?? |
| 16:45:46 | thegeek_ | primarily for sleeping;) |
| 16:46:02 | Rori | I heard they are good for bass |
| 16:46:09 | XavierGr | I have shure e2c great phones, though not for a quick fit. |
| 16:46:15 | Rori | But E3's are a bit light on bass |
| 16:46:23 | Rori | hmm |
| 16:46:25 | markun | _FireFly_: I can make a patch, but I still didn't make a setting to enable or disable it.. |
| 16:46:50 | Rori | I need to find a proper headfi shop and preview them |
| 16:46:51 | thegeek_ | hmm |
| 16:46:55 | thegeek_ | not bad markun |
| 16:47:00 | _FireFly_ | that is no problem maybe i add an option :) |
| 16:47:05 | thegeek_ | but you are right, it does lower volume quite a bit |
| 16:48:21 | thegeek_ | it's especially bad in combination with voice |
| 16:48:28 | Rori | yeah reloaded rockbox and volume is way higher |
| 16:48:42 | LinusN | amiconn: yes, the database has default entries |
| 16:48:46 | thegeek_ | because the voice when browsing is so loud compared to the music |
| 16:49:19 | Rori | shit how can you listen as low as 70% volume? :) |
| 16:49:32 | Rori | it's like a whisper to me |
| 16:49:35 | markun | _FireFly_: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/crossfeed.diff |
| 16:49:52 | Rori | 100% all the way dude |
| 16:49:54 | LinusN | 70% is slightly below the pain limit for me with my EX70's |
| 16:49:54 | markun | Rori: Maybe we have different hearing? |
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| 16:50:19 | Rori | LinusN was talking about on Porta Pro's or Senn PX100's |
| 16:50:33 | Rori | I just love LOUD! :) |
| 16:50:41 | Rori | Fat bass from my dance music |
| 16:50:53 | Rori | probably why my hearing is a bit fubar :D |
| 16:51:08 | _FireFly_ | then have fun with tinnitus ;) |
| 16:51:14 | XavierGr | well with my shure e2c I can't get higher that 80-85! But with standart phones on crowded enviroment(always) up to 100! |
| 16:51:23 | amiconn | thegeek_: The voice files are already built scaled down to 70% of full level... |
| 16:51:31 | thegeek_ | yeah |
| 16:51:36 | thegeek_ | that's good for the normal build too |
| 16:51:39 | Rori | yeah which is why I was thinking of getting some good in ear phones |
| 16:51:47 | markun | thegeek_: The low volume comes from the high- and low-pass filters. |
| 16:51:48 | Rori | so I can have a bit of range |
| 16:51:50 | thegeek_ | but markun's crossfeed build is not as loud as normal loud |
| 16:51:51 | XavierGr | Though I listen almost only classical music wich tends to have lower recorded levels |
| 16:51:53 | thegeek_ | hm |
| 16:51:54 | thegeek_ | mhm |
| 16:52:20 | Rori | file under 'needs some tweaking' :) |
| 16:52:26 | XavierGr | FireFly: I have tinnitus but because of a series of bad dives I made not listening to 100 |
| 16:52:40 | amiconn | LinusN, Bagder, Zagor: What do you think about reversing the volume <-> treble/bass logic in rockbox too. I'm fed up by all these reports... |
| 16:52:43 | amiconn | ? |
| 16:53:11 | _FireFly_ | yepp tinnitus doesn't came from hearing to too loud music/noice |
| 16:53:14 | Rori | EQ is worthless to me |
| 16:53:16 | XavierGr | lol |
| 16:53:23 | Rori | it does weird stuff at full volume so I don't bother |
| 16:53:26 | XavierGr | me too |
| 16:53:45 | _FireFly_ | *only |
| 16:53:51 | Rori | I went for a headscan the other day |
| 16:53:57 | Rori | for hearing issues ;) |
| 16:54:11 | Rori | gotta go back on the 28th of next month to see what they found if anything |
| 16:54:26 | Rori | the normal hearing test they said my hearing is fine though |
| 16:54:43 | Rori | I occasionally get earache, buzzing and tinitus |
| 16:54:44 | XavierGr | tinnitus drived me mad in the first days, I was depressed by that damn thing! :( |
| 16:55:01 | Rori | thought I'd get it checked out by an ENT |
| 16:55:09 | _FireFly_ | don't concentrate on this |
| 16:55:21 | XavierGr | Knowing that I will have this for the rest of my life...especially when you are involved in music a s a teacher. |
| 16:55:36 | Rori | constant tinitus would drive me nuts |
| 16:55:48 | Rori | tried vitamin supplements? |
| 16:56:03 | XavierGr | no |
| 16:56:08 | Rori | I hear there are various things you can do that may help |
| 16:56:14 | _FireFly_ | you must ignore the tinnitus as far as you can |
| 16:56:16 | Rori | google up on tinitus |
| 16:56:37 | _FireFly_ | so that it doesn't teach your life |
| 16:56:37 | Rori | I'd try a few remedies just for the hell of it anyhow |
| 16:56:44 | XavierGr | yes I read that there are some tips to get it to lower volumes |
| 16:56:56 | Rori | worth trying |
| 16:56:59 | _FireFly_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinnitus |
| 16:57:20 | XavierGr | For the time being it is annoying when I try to sleep. |
| 16:57:33 | XavierGr | But If I am tired I cant really give it attention. |
| 16:58:03 | Rori | I love boasting about how Rockbox does this that and the other..."Oh your MP3 player doesn't have gapless? Bummer" :D |
| 16:58:39 | XavierGr | the worst thing is sometimes when I listen to my favorite music this buzzing sound intereferes with music and I have the feeling that music is clipping. |
| 16:59:23 | Rori | XavierGr I get that buzzing sometimes...usually when it's a high volume midrange frequency though |
| 16:59:24 | markun | When I told a guy from work I was adding crossfeed to rockbox he was annoyed that he has an ipod :) |
| 16:59:31 | Rori | only in the left ear |
| 16:59:35 | Rori | sounds like distortion |
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| 17:00:14 | XavierGr | yeah exactly it's in my left ear too. |
| 17:00:15 | Rori | I have some light ringing in my left ear now from listening too loudly ;) |
| 17:01:07 | Rori | I have a skin complaint that does not help. I get dry skin and hard wax buildup. Have to clean them regularly. |
| 17:01:15 | _FireFly_ | ahm markun this isn't the complete patch is it?? |
| 17:01:28 | _FireFly_ | because DSP_CROSSFEED isn't defined in this patch |
| 17:01:32 | Rori | been using that Audiclean every couple of days |
| 17:01:44 | markun | _FireFly_: I commented it out, didn't I? |
| 17:02:05 | _FireFly_ | oh yes |
| 17:02:09 | Rori | I wish there was a way to bypass the ears and plug sound directly to the brain sometimes :) |
| 17:02:23 | _FireFly_ | but i can't apply the patch |
| 17:02:30 | XavierGr | Haha! |
| 17:03:02 | _FireFly_ | some sort of tinnitus doesn't have to do with the ears |
| 17:03:05 | markun | _FireFly_: strange.. it's from an updated tree |
| 17:03:17 | _FireFly_ | he say that he can't find the file |
| 17:03:20 | markun | _FireFly_: go to the apps dir and try again |
| 17:03:55 | _FireFly_ | moep :) |
| 17:04:13 | markun | "moep" is that good? |
| 17:04:26 | _FireFly_ | that isn't the right thing to make a patch |
| 17:05:06 | _FireFly_ | moep doesn't mean anything ;) |
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| 17:05:27 | markun | Sometimes rockbox shuts down after finishing a dir.. it just happened again :( |
| 17:05:29 | _FireFly_ | ups does |
| 17:05:41 | _FireFly_ | argh |
| 17:06:13 | _FireFly_ | i mean that it doesn't mean anything |
| 17:06:54 | Rori | I've had rockbox crash a few times...pin in hole to reset |
| 17:07:20 | markun | _FireFly_: but does the patch work now? |
| 17:07:23 | Rori | It may be the wps it does not like I am unsure. I have not seen it crash yet with default settings |
| 17:07:26 | _FireFly_ | yepp |
| 17:07:34 | XavierGr | %acVol:%pv-%?mp<Play|%?mu<Pause|%?mw<FastFwd|%?mb<FastRw|>>-%?ps<Shuffle|>-%?mf<|%?ma<Repeat All|%?mo<Repeat One|%?ms<Repeat Shuffle|>> |
| 17:07:51 | XavierGr | why is this wrong? |
| 17:08:02 | XavierGr | I want with ifs to print in the screen the status of playback |
| 17:09:33 | XavierGr | opps I know I dont close the else statements |
| 17:09:59 | _FireFly_ | ;) |
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| 17:17:10 | _FireFly_ | markun: yepp the volume is a little bit lower then without crossfeed |
| 17:17:28 | XavierGr | grrr I cant get it to work!! |
| 17:17:46 | XavierGr | sorry for this but... |
| 17:17:49 | XavierGr | %?mp<-Play|%?mu<-Pause|%?mw<-FastFwd|%?mb<-FastRw|>>>> |
| 17:18:03 | XavierGr | This will not display anything to me. |
| 17:19:05 | _FireFly_ | ähm mu mw mb doen*t exist |
| 17:19:09 | _FireFly_ | doesn't |
| 17:19:44 | _FireFly_ | %?mp<%xda|%xdb|%xdc|%xdd|%xde> so is mine |
| 17:20:27 | _FireFly_ | %?mp<Stop|Play|Pause|Ffwd|Rew> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#Playback_mode_tags |
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| 17:20:36 | XavierGr | but the CUSTOM_WPS_FORMAT in the rockbox dir says mp e.t.c? |
| 17:20:43 | XavierGr | I guess it is outdated then |
| 17:21:22 | _FireFly_ | yepp |
| 17:23:00 | XavierGr | Is there a chance to render a stop condition into WPS? |
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| 17:23:13 | XavierGr | I thought that when you press stop the wps quits to the tree. |
| 17:23:33 | _FireFly_ | afaik currently not |
| 17:24:42 | _FireFly_ | we had to stay in wps when pressing stop to render the stop image |
| 17:25:11 | _FireFly_ | as the iriver fw does |
| 17:34:55 | amiconn | Staying in the while *playing* screen doesn't make much sense to me when nothing is playing... |
| 17:36:35 | XavierGr | I agree with amiconn, but then why inlcude a stop state for the wps? |
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| 18:24:15 | _FireFly_ | XavierGr: the %mp tag doesn't realy include the stop state the stop state is only the default state-value, which will be return if no other state are set |
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| 20:00:09 | Rori | "Jon Lech Johansen, the 21-year-old Norwegian media hacker nicknamed DVD Jon, is moving to San Diego to work for maverick tech entrepreneur Michael Robertson in what can only be described as the most portentous team-up since Butch met Sundance. |
| 20:00:11 | Rori | " |
| 20:00:24 | Rori | bummer |
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| 20:04:42 | ep0ch | does anyone have a dead ihp-120 i can salvage one bit from? |
| 20:05:48 | ep0ch | namely the plastic play/stop/a-b/hold switch cover |
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| 20:09:49 | thegeek_ | heh |
| 20:09:56 | thegeek_ | my hold switch is broken on the inside |
| 20:10:11 | thegeek_ | the actual slider-switch had the small plastic bit broken off |
| 20:11:24 | ep0ch | the plastic bit broke in two whilst taking my player apart. I was trying to find out why the HD had died again :( |
| 20:11:42 | ep0ch | so not only do i have to buy a new disk i also might need some superglue! |
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| 21:08:31 | preglow | i managed to break some plastic around that part myself |
| 21:08:37 | preglow | while being very careful |
| 21:10:00 | pike | ot question: I need a sample of an ALAC (apple lossless) file. anyone might be able to help ? |
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| 21:20:01 | amiconn | preglow: I think it would be useful to add the special handling for .ibss to plugins and codecs as well |
| 21:32:07 | preglow | why? |
| 21:32:51 | amiconn | I think most of the iram data in codecs is uninitialised, so it would save quite some space in the binary |
| 21:33:49 | amiconn | -> faster load, faster init (clearing iram is certainly faster than copying from dram to iram), and perhaps a reduced codec ram area |
| 21:36:38 | preglow | sure |
| 21:38:10 | Moos | that sound good :-) |
| 21:38:32 | * | amiconn just committed the iram changes |
| 21:43:20 | preglow | so i see |
| 21:48:20 | amiconn | I didn't touch codecs and plugins for now, I just added the possibility to use the 2 new sections |
| 21:49:00 | amiconn | They can be converted one by one. We can then check the .map files whether it's worth to add special .ibss handling |
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| 22:00:31 | XavierGr | does anyone know how to remove all cariage returns (linefeeds) from a word document? |
| 22:00:45 | _FireFly_ | *.doc ?? |
| 22:00:58 | preglow | i don't think there is such a problem with word documents... |
| 22:00:58 | XavierGr | yes |
| 22:01:33 | preglow | it doesn't make sense if you're talking about .doc files |
| 22:03:01 | XavierGr | well I have a text sent to me by email. When I copy paste to Word linefeeds are present when the line is not full and that is annoying, also the text is large and I don't have time and patience to remove them all manually. |
| 22:03:23 | amiconn | You can do that with search & replace in word |
| 22:03:52 | XavierGr | search and replace what, I cant represent the linefeed |
| 22:04:04 | XavierGr | or how can I do that? Which character is the linefeed? |
| 22:04:18 | _FireFly_ | \r |
| 22:04:41 | _FireFly_ | or 13 dez |
| 22:05:17 | XavierGr | "13 dez" |
| 22:05:21 | amiconn | XavierGr: There is a button in the search dialog to select special characters from |
| 22:06:32 | XavierGr | ok I will try and see... |
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| 22:11:14 | XavierGr | no I can't find the linefeeds it is getting on my nerves |
| 22:12:16 | _FireFly_ | linefeed or cariage return ?? |
| 22:13:14 | _FireFly_ | http://www.lookuptables.com/ |
| 22:13:15 | XavierGr | when copied to notepad2 (with the option to show such symbols) I get a CR LF symbol. |
| 22:14:00 | _FireFly_ | thats right for windows new-line representation |
| 22:15:22 | _FireFly_ | mac has only CR and all *nix have LF as new-line |
| 22:19:37 | XavierGr | I manually deleted all the CR but I want to learn it for further uses. :X |
| 22:19:54 | _FireFly_ | ?? |
| 22:20:05 | _FireFly_ | why do you want to delete the CRs |
| 22:21:28 | XavierGr | because the line while not full breaks to a new one, and that is unacceptable. |
| 22:22:10 | _FireFly_ | ?? |
| 22:23:29 | XavierGr | I will explain latter my brother has to write that document, let me get back to you later, thanks for the help anyway. |
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| 22:30:22 | preglow | amiconn: thought any more about the wakeup timer? |
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| 22:31:07 | solexx | can anybody help me with easytag? |
| 22:31:30 | _FireFly_ | if i can |
| 22:31:33 | solexx | i have some track<nn>.flac files and want to tag them with cddb lookup |
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| 22:31:47 | solexx | lookup works fine, but how do i apply the tags!? |
| 22:32:11 | solexx | currently, i select all files, do the lookup and click 'apply' |
| 22:32:13 | muesli- | re |
| 22:32:35 | solexx | but nothing happens |
| 22:32:45 | solexx | the ui is pretty weird... |
| 22:33:07 | muesli- | www.mp3tag.de another great tagger if ur not satisfied with your tool |
| 22:33:27 | _FireFly_ | for linux ?? |
| 22:33:32 | muesli- | well |
| 22:33:34 | solexx | yes, linux preferably |
| 22:33:36 | muesli- | erm |
| 22:33:38 | muesli- | noo |
| 22:33:43 | _FireFly_ | muesli-: ;) |
| 22:33:47 | solexx | but probably i shoudl simply reboot |
| 22:33:50 | muesli- | sorry...its for windoof |
| 22:33:54 | amiconn | preglow: yes |
| 22:34:09 | solexx | although i don't know whether my win installation is working at all :-) |
| 22:34:13 | solexx | it's been some time... |
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| 22:35:34 | solexx | dammit, i'll try to use win |
| 22:35:54 | solexx | i'll be back in a minute |
| 22:35:57 | _FireFly_ | by me it works |
| 22:36:25 | _FireFly_ | i have select my files then run the cddb-search |
| 22:36:54 | _FireFly_ | and select the right entry and hit apply and it had changed my tags |
| 22:38:44 | solexx | _FireFly_: do you select every single file plus the corresponding entry? |
| 22:39:00 | preglow | amiconn: anything come out of it yet?= |
| 22:39:24 | _FireFly_ | solexx: yepp |
| 22:39:39 | amiconn | I think it's perfectly doable, as a plugin, even without changing something in today's rockbox core |
| 22:39:48 | solexx | ah, i thought i could do it for all files with one command |
| 22:39:59 | amiconn | Of course this plugin would have to fiddle with the hardware |
| 22:40:16 | solexx | omg, i have firefox 1.0.2 running here |
| 22:40:27 | _FireFly_ | where under windows |
| 22:40:31 | solexx | yep |
| 22:40:36 | amiconn | Before starting to implement this, I need to do some power measurements for different hardware states |
| 22:40:37 | _FireFly_ | ouch |
| 22:40:40 | _FireFly_ | a bit old |
| 22:40:53 | solexx | and win is busy downloading patches :9 |
| 22:41:57 | solexx | fsck |
| 22:42:14 | solexx | i forgot that i have put all my flacs on an ext3 partition |
| 22:42:41 | amiconn | preglow: The idea is as follows: The plugin would start running as a standard plugin, and ask you to set a wake up time, possibly checling the battery state and limiting the maximum delay etc |
| 22:43:46 | solexx | does anybody have experience with ext2ifs (http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ext2ifs.htm) under winxp sp2? |
| 22:44:12 | _FireFly_ | solexx: it works bud i think you can only do it one album at once |
| 22:44:31 | solexx | _FireFly_: what exactly? |
| 22:44:51 | _FireFly_ | tag you files with cddb lookup over easytag |
| 22:45:05 | solexx | hm, i thought i tried that |
| 22:45:09 | solexx | will do again |
| 22:45:32 | solexx | i am not enough of a hero to use a beta fs driver for windows |
| 22:45:56 | HCl | o-o |
| 22:45:58 | HCl | icq failed. |
| 22:46:07 | HCl | anyways |
| 22:46:11 | * | HCl prods muesli- |
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| 22:46:24 | amiconn | Once you press "Go", a no-return process starts. First, everything non-critical would be switched off, like lcd and harddisk. CPU will be set either to bypass (11MHz) and pll powered down, or the lowest possible frequency with pll (6.25 MHz), depending on what needs less power. Then some code and a new vector table would be copied to iram. In this stage interrupts must be disabled, and yield must not be called anymore. |
| 22:46:26 | HCl | that makedb.bat for that java thing is extremely wrong, i never wrote that either o-o |
| 22:46:44 | | Part LWi |
| 22:46:57 | _FireFly_ | i have select the files open the cd-database search and hit the search button and he gaves my the possible entrys which fits to the filename |
| 22:47:03 | muesli- | hcl? |
| 22:47:07 | HCl | yes? o.o |
| 22:47:17 | HCl | or wasn't that icq messenger you |
| 22:47:21 | HCl | in that case i'm confused to who it was. |
| 22:47:31 | muesli- | sure that was me ;) |
| 22:47:36 | HCl | k :p |
| 22:47:37 | HCl | sorry |
| 22:47:39 | HCl | my icq died |
| 22:47:41 | muesli- | np ;) |
| 22:47:42 | HCl | its working again |
| 22:47:44 | HCl | anyways. |
| 22:47:46 | muesli- | i c |
| 22:47:52 | amiconn | The IRAM code would switch off the DRAM refresh, and then go to sleep with a once-per-second timer interrupt. After the selected time has passed, it would reboot the unit by jumping to the appropriate ROM address. Activate resume on startup beforehand (could be done by the plugin) and voila! |
| 22:47:54 | HCl | that makedb.bat is completely wrong |
| 22:48:08 | HCl | my dos .bat scripting is rusty |
| 22:48:27 | HCl | but the first line should definately read java -jar SongDB.jar −−dirisalbumname |
| 22:48:38 | HCl | and then probably / behind it |
| 22:48:47 | HCl | java -jar SongDB.jar −−dirisalbumname / |
| 22:50:16 | _FireFly_ | good night everybody |
| 22:50:55 | solexx | good night and thanks for your help |
| 22:50:59 | _FireFly_ | np |
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| 22:51:51 | dsas | hi all |
| 22:52:01 | dsas | anyone help to me ? |
| 22:52:08 | dsas | for about HDD UNLOCK |
| 22:52:36 | amiconn | HCl: What's wrong with the script? It does exactly what you said, except the −−-dirisalbumname option |
| 22:52:45 | HCl | i don't know, muesli- reported it broken |
| 22:52:54 | amiconn | It works |
| 22:52:58 | | Nick dsas is now known as Bromx (n=AnarchY@85.100.200.28) |
| 22:53:03 | muesli- | java -jar SongDB.jar −−dirisalbumname / |
| 22:53:08 | muesli- | i forgot the last slash |
| 22:53:08 | Bromx | anyone is there ? |
| 22:53:43 | Bromx | help for HDD unlock ? |
| 22:54:41 | Nilisco | Do you have the key? |
| 22:54:52 | muesli- | hdd unlock? how did you lock it? |
| 22:55:04 | Nilisco | If so, utilities from your manufacturer should have a program to lock and unlock. |
| 22:55:44 | Nilisco | Hah, just realize this was the #rockbox channel, opps. |
| 22:57:40 | muesli- | anyway..how did you lock it? |
| 22:58:21 | Bromx | ý doýnt know |
| 22:58:29 | Bromx | its unlocked ata password |
| 22:58:35 | Bromx | but I dont know it password |
| 22:58:59 | Bromx | how unlock it ? |
| 23:00 |
| 23:01:33 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/lock.html |
| 23:01:48 | Bromx | I have it, |
| 23:01:51 | muesli- | this concerned archos players? |
| 23:01:59 | Bromx | but it says to me use ata password |
| 23:02:04 | Bromx | I have ata password |
| 23:02:10 | Bromx | but its ask to me |
| 23:02:21 | Bromx | enter hdd password |
| 23:02:26 | Bromx | so I dont know it |
| 23:02:30 | Bagder | muesli-: all hard drives have this feature |
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| 23:03:07 | Bromx | muesli- |
| 23:03:10 | Bromx | what is archos ? |
| 23:03:14 | Bagder | well, the details are all in that page |
| 23:03:37 | Bromx | hmmm |
| 23:03:43 | Bromx | Bagder, whats is archor |
| 23:03:44 | muesli- | Bromx a mp3 player like iriver |
| 23:03:48 | Bromx | hmmm |
| 23:03:50 | Bromx | umm |
| 23:03:53 | Bagder | Bromx: this is #rockbox |
| 23:04:01 | Bromx | I know |
| 23:04:29 | Bagder | Rockbox works for Archos and iriver music players |
| 23:04:38 | Bromx | hmmm |
| 23:04:40 | Bromx | ok ok |
| 23:04:59 | Bromx | I think, rockbox is unlock my computer harddisk |
| 23:05:45 | Bagder | rockbox cannot unlock it, no |
| 23:05:53 | Bagder | reread that page |
| 23:05:54 | Bromx | ohhhhhhh |
| 23:06:08 | Bromx | During development of the Rockbox firmware, |
| 23:06:12 | Bromx | I dont see them |
| 23:06:13 | Bromx | :( |
| 23:06:22 | Bagder | see what? |
| 23:06:37 | Bromx | Grab atapwd (written by Alex Mina) |
| 23:06:37 | Bromx | Create a bootable DOS floppy disk, and put atapwd.exe on it |
| 23:06:43 | Bromx | I see it |
| 23:06:46 | Bromx | and I think, |
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| 23:07:22 | muesli- | amiconn i've just creatéd my database..how do i activate it? |
| 23:07:47 | sa0 | hi all |
| 23:07:47 | preglow | amiconn: hmm, didn't consider it being a plugin before |
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| 23:07:56 | sa0 | first ... big thx for IriverPort |
| 23:08:00 | preglow | amiconn: any reason for doing it that way? just to minimise bloat? |
| 23:08:21 | sa0 | just wanted to know if there is any (even experimental) remote support ? |
| 23:08:29 | Bagder | sa0: there is |
| 23:08:35 | ender` | as far as i can see, the controls work |
| 23:08:37 | sa0 | oh oh |
| 23:08:49 | sa0 | remote LCD support ? |
| 23:09:04 | sa0 | displaying playing title ... |
| 23:09:06 | ender` | just RockBox on it, but i think there's a patch |
| 23:09:33 | sa0 | can someone help with this ? |
| 23:09:48 | Moos | Bagder: hi, not looked at the TiMiD patch for multi screen suport? |
| 23:09:55 | Bagder | nope |
| 23:10:00 | Moos | :) |
| 23:10:03 | Bagder | no time |
| 23:10:22 | Moos | and your V2 localisation :D |
| 23:10:24 | Moos | ? |
| 23:10:35 | Moos | no time too? |
| 23:10:46 | Bagder | none at all |
| 23:10:49 | amiconn | preglow: plugin or not, the technique would be very similar. It's easier to start with a plugin though |
| 23:12:19 | amiconn | In fact it might make sense to put this in the core, perhaps moving the vector table into iram as well |
| 23:13:17 | amiconn | The bad thing with the vector table on coldfire is that it must be located on an 1 MB boundary, so it has to be placed at the start of iram |
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| 23:31:43 | XavierGr | hi LinusN! |
| 23:31:57 | LinusN | hi |
| 23:32:25 | XavierGr | long time no see... |
| 23:33:00 | LinusN | yup |
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| 23:57:39 | amiconn | LinusN: Any tips what I could try in order to get the lcd of your oldplayer to work? |
| 23:58:01 | LinusN | well, clean it and reseat it :-) |
| 23:58:07 | amiconn | The player works, complete with a new "-" button, except the display |
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