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| 08:41:51 | Slasheri | now committed the playlist item skipping fix |
| 08:43:19 | Bger | :)) |
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| 09:07:55 | amiconn | Slasheri: 3 remarks: (1) Shouldn't PLAYLIST_SEEK_MASK be 0x0FFFFFFF ? You just reserved one more bit, not 2. |
| 09:08:11 | amiconn | (2) Iiuc this code is used on all platforms, so archos now has 2 mechanisms to skip playlist entries |
| 09:09:01 | amiconn | (3) Your approach breaks an (esoteric) feature on Ondio |
| 09:10:12 | Slasheri | Hmm :/ How it breaks Ondio? |
| 09:10:25 | amiconn | The archos only keeps track of bad entries in the playback engine, but your approach marks the tracks as bad for the whole lifetime of the playlist |
| 09:10:50 | amiconn | However, if the playlist is repeated, an entry that was bad last time might no longer be bad.... |
| 09:10:56 | Slasheri | amiconn: but archos could use that mechanism too.. |
| 09:11:15 | amiconn | ...in case the user plugged the missing MMC in the meantime |
| 09:11:22 | Slasheri | amiconn: Hmm, if i understood correctly, that info is not stored on disk? |
| 09:11:29 | Slasheri | oh.. |
| 09:12:05 | amiconn | I admit, this is somewhat esoteric, but I still like the archos meth |
| 09:12:05 | Slasheri | Hmm, indeed.. That needs to be solved |
| 09:12:08 | amiconn | +od more |
| 09:12:43 | amiconn | It's more dynamic ;) |
| 09:13:34 | Slasheri | Hehe, but i can fix that new code if you think that is a proper way to implement it |
| 09:14:00 | Slasheri | I have thought the both ways and i found the playlist level more scalable |
| 09:15:16 | Slasheri | oh yes, but archos doesn't even use it currently.. so at the moment there is no problems with that :) |
| 09:15:58 | Slasheri | one good thing with that is that user can also see playlist entries marked as bad |
| 09:17:15 | amiconn | Hmm. |
| 09:17:43 | Slasheri | the playlist viewer shows for example: 40. (ERR) some track if it's missing |
| 09:18:20 | Slasheri | (or playback code has found some problems with that track) |
| 09:18:25 | amiconn | Why do you think the playlist level is more scalable? |
| 09:19:20 | Slasheri | Hmm, because all units can use the same code and without thinking about the skipping in playback engine (which imho is better to be done in playlist) |
| 09:21:35 | amiconn | I don't think we will ever have more than two engines. In fact we should only have one at some point in the future |
| 09:21:39 | Slasheri | amiconn: yes, 0x0FFFFFFF is correct.. i will fix it |
| 09:22:21 | amiconn | The marking in the pl viewer is a plus, I agree |
| 09:22:34 | Slasheri | But still i think that job is playlist engine responsibility to give correct track entries to the playback enginge.. |
| 09:22:37 | amiconn | but an icon would be better than text for space considerations |
| 09:22:47 | Slasheri | yes, of course.. that can be changed later |
| 09:23:01 | amiconn | ...especially on the good old player |
| 09:30:17 | amiconn | Replacing the standard 'note' icon with a broken one wouldn't require any additional space... |
| 09:32:51 | Slasheri | hmm, that sounds good :) |
| 09:34:19 | amiconn | The esoteric Ondio problem can probably be solved in a simple way |
| 09:34:49 | amiconn | Iiuc, the marking happens on the fly, i.e. whenever the playback engine encounters a bad track? |
| 09:34:58 | Slasheri | yes |
| 09:35:19 | amiconn | All that is needed is a 'repair all' function, that marks all bad entries as repaired |
| 09:35:38 | amiconn | This would then be called whenever an MMC was plugged |
| 09:35:55 | Slasheri | hmm, true :) that should be a simple fix |
| 09:35:55 | amiconn | The function can be #ifdef HAVE_HOTSWAP |
| 09:37:30 | Slasheri | would you like i implement that function? I think it's better if i don't touch the archos playback engine itself because i don't have a unit to test with |
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| 10:06:18 | XavierGr | so any idea why rockbox gives wrong values for total track time? |
| 10:06:48 | XavierGr | Sometimes it goes more than 1 minute |
| 10:07:10 | XavierGr | and Winamp shows this correctly, (mp3 alt present standard) |
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| 10:24:38 | Bger | XavierGr maybe it's better to send the file to Slasheri for example ... |
| 10:27:01 | XavierGr | but this happens with almost all my vbr files! |
| 10:28:52 | Bger | what tool are you using for tagging etc ? |
| 10:29:20 | XavierGr | the godfather for tagging, EAC or dbpowerAMP for ripping |
| 10:30:37 | Bger | u know, i don't have rb-ed unit yet, so i can't tell anything ... |
| 10:33:26 | Bger | is this problem only recent ? |
| 10:34:22 | XavierGr | I don't really know, and no one else has reported this. |
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| 10:36:30 | Bger | then i suggest u to send one problematic .mp3 to slasheri... |
| 10:36:36 | XavierGr | someone said to try vbr fix, I should give it a try first, it is just weird that winamp shows the right timing (iriver fw too) |
| 10:37:27 | Bger | hm |
| 10:44:23 | XavierGr | I just encountered a song where Winamp says that it lasts 2.36 and rockbox says 5.09!!!! |
| 10:44:35 | Bger | wow :) |
| 10:44:51 | Bger | maybe rb wants to play it twice :P |
| 10:45:43 | XavierGr | wtf? |
| 10:46:12 | XavierGr | I think that rockbox shows me the next track total time instead of the current!!! |
| 10:46:42 | Bger | is your wps code correct ? |
| 10:47:14 | XavierGr | I will upload it to check it |
| 10:48:08 | Bger | i'm not the right person to check it |
| 10:48:41 | XavierGr | well I will post the link anyway if someone wants to check though I really doubt it is the wps to blame. |
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| 10:48:48 | XavierGr | http://pastebin.com/400710 |
| 10:49:19 | XavierGr | I will test with the default wps |
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| 10:53:10 | LinusN | XavierGr: do your vbr files have a correct vbr header? |
| 10:53:38 | XavierGr | I am not sure but both Winamp and iriver fw shoes them correctly |
| 10:53:56 | LinusN | can you send me a file? |
| 10:54:05 | XavierGr | Also it seems that rockbox shoes the timing from the previous track (not the next I though before) |
| 10:54:11 | XavierGr | ^shows |
| 10:54:17 | XavierGr | sure |
| 10:54:48 | XavierGr | I will send you a 2 small to see if they swap timings. |
| 10:55:12 | XavierGr | I will send them to your mailbox. |
| 10:55:17 | LinusN | ok |
| 10:57:36 | XavierGr | very strange behaviour, I just made a playlist in rockbox with 2 non consequent (in the drive) files. The timings come from the previous file in my HD. Not even from the playlist... |
| 10:57:37 | amiconn | hi LinusN |
| 10:58:01 | LinusN | hi |
| 10:58:02 | amiconn | No luck at all with the oldplayer lcd :( |
| 10:58:07 | LinusN | :-( |
| 10:58:15 | XavierGr | I should try with a clean build, I use the radio patch and jpeg file scroller so I doubt that they are to blame. |
| 10:59:02 | LinusN | XavierGr: does the same thing happen if you play a directory? |
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| 11:00:36 | XavierGr | yes it will always show the timings for the track before. (the first track will get the timing from an unknown file, I will search to see from where) |
| 11:00:52 | LinusN | which build? |
| 11:01:26 | XavierGr | latest |
| 11:01:31 | amiconn | LinusN: Btw, what was the problem with the build table? |
| 11:01:46 | LinusN | was there a problem? |
| 11:02:06 | LinusN | wow |
| 11:02:34 | LinusN | i have no idea |
| 11:02:58 | LinusN | ouch, disk full |
| 11:03:19 | XavierGr | how much data in the disk? |
| 11:03:57 | LinusN | lots :-) |
| 11:04:18 | XavierGr | I can imagine.... |
| 11:04:20 | LinusN | seems ok now though |
| 11:08:05 | XavierGr | nope, even with a clean build it will do this. |
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| 11:21:12 | XavierGr | ok files sent Linus! |
| 11:26:39 | HCl | did the volume settings change? i just upgraded everything to the latest rockbox bootloader and so, and it sounds softer |
| 11:27:14 | HCl | bbl |
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| 11:31:07 | Febs | Slasheri, take a look at this thread: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=30659 |
| 11:32:07 | LinusN | XavierGr: how long is "A day without rain" on your player? |
| 11:32:33 | LinusN | XavierGr: sorry, how long is "Silver inches" on your player? |
| 11:35:15 | XavierGr | Linus: My player says 5.09 |
| 11:35:38 | LinusN | mine says 2:29 |
| 11:35:59 | LinusN | Tempus vernum is 3:38 according to rockbox |
| 11:36:03 | XavierGr | wait a bit... |
| 11:36:25 | LinusN | the weirdest thing of all is that vbrfix says that they aren't vbr files at all |
| 11:36:37 | XavierGr | winamp says 2.25 |
| 11:36:56 | XavierGr | and yes tempus vernum on rockbox says 3.38 to me too. |
| 11:37:30 | XavierGr | but then it doesn't show the previous file... it is something else. |
| 11:38:59 | XavierGr | 3.38 is the duration of the previous track on my player |
| 11:39:10 | amiconn | LinusN: Did you compare with rockbox on archos? |
| 11:39:15 | LinusN | not yet |
| 11:39:16 | XavierGr | but I sent you 2 files that are not in queue |
| 11:39:26 | XavierGr | so where that 3.38 came from? |
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| 11:40:55 | muesli- | high |
| 11:41:06 | XavierGr | Hello ;) |
| 11:41:24 | XavierGr | to sum it up there are 2 songs: |
| 11:41:36 | muesli- | drastwuj XavierGr ;) |
| 11:41:57 | XavierGr | 1) Tempus Vernum Rockbox: 3.38 Winamp: 2.25 |
| 11:42:30 | XavierGr | 2) Silver Inches Rockbox: 2.29 Winamp: 1.37 |
| 11:42:47 | XavierGr | any idea why is this happening |
| 11:43:37 | LinusN | hmmm, seems to be a bug in the LAME header parsing |
| 11:44:09 | XavierGr | and why Winamp and the iriver fw show correct values |
| 11:44:26 | XavierGr | or you mean a bug in rockbox |
| 11:44:34 | LinusN | bug in rockbox |
| 11:44:52 | XavierGr | is it difficult to fix? Is it only on the iriver? |
| 11:49:15 | LinusN | yuck, the rockbox sim disables my key repeat |
| 11:49:43 | LinusN | amiconn: are the Info and Xing headers really compatible? |
| 11:50:48 | amiconn | Afaik they should. |
| 11:51:20 | amiconn | (but it wasn't me who added Info header processing) |
| 11:52:50 | amiconn | LinusN: The rockbox sim disables key repeat only if its window is active, and it should reenable it when leaving. If it crashes at exit, it can't do that... |
| 11:54:01 | LinusN | ok, i see now that the parsing is correct |
| 11:54:15 | amiconn | The x11 sim must disable key repeat because of the silly way key repeat works in x11 |
| 11:54:34 | amiconn | Otherwise it would be impossible to correctly simulate rockbox key repeat |
| 11:57:17 | LinusN | XavierGr: is this a new bug? |
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| 11:57:47 | XavierGr | I am not really sure to tell you the truth, but I have noticed this for some time. |
| 11:58:36 | XavierGr | Do you think that my mp3s are wrongly encoded? |
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| 12:11:06 | LinusN | XavierGr: no i don't |
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| 12:49:53 | webguest82 | How are you. |
| 12:50:08 | ashridah | can i buy you a beer? |
| 12:50:28 | webguest82 | What? |
| 12:50:48 | ashridah | don't worry, i watch too much tv. |
| 12:50:55 | webguest82 | I English well a Korean it is. |
| 12:51:34 | webguest82 | Understand? |
| 12:51:39 | ashridah | i think so |
| 12:52:55 | webguest82 | I'm Korean H300 User |
| 12:54:32 | webguest82 | Did the firmware modify of the H300 become how? |
| 12:55:18 | ashridah | it's not available yet. there's still work to do, and it's not progressing, pretty much because the people who can are busy |
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| 12:56:06 | webguest82 | What?? |
| 12:56:15 | Bger | it's not done yet |
| 12:56:17 | ashridah | webguest82: short answer. no |
| 12:56:30 | pill | hehe |
| 12:56:31 | webguest82 | It isn't working? |
| 12:56:32 | ashridah | webguest82: it will be some time. |
| 12:56:45 | Bger | it's not ready |
| 12:56:53 | ashridah | webguest82: that's right, it doesn't work on the H300 yet |
| 12:57:27 | webguest82 | When about it is started? |
| 12:57:44 | ashridah | webguest82: when the developers get free time |
| 12:59:16 | pill | webguest82: firmware for H300 started, not finished. finished when people have time. can be several months. |
| 12:59:26 | webguest82 | It cannot but, it will be able to participate to it English? |
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| 13:00:08 | pill | :( |
| 13:00:10 | Bger | webguest82 try again |
| 13:00:16 | webguest82 | Sorry |
| 13:00:25 | pill | it's not your fault |
| 13:00:40 | webguest82 | I can't English well |
| 13:00:50 | Bger | ask different way |
| 13:01:23 | Bger | with different words |
| 13:02:22 | webguest82 | I can't English well but It will be able to participate? |
| 13:02:40 | Bger | if u can program in C ... |
| 13:03:05 | Bger | if you can program in C |
| 13:03:05 | XavierGr | C is a universal language, so yes.... |
| 13:03:22 | webguest82 | It does not do well. |
| 13:04:14 | webguest82 | That description below it is difficult? |
| 13:04:49 | Bger | do you know what is C ? |
| 13:05:04 | webguest82 | OK |
| 13:05:19 | webguest82 | Programming language |
| 13:05:38 | | Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A46130.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:05:38 | Bger | everybody can participate in 2 things mostly : programming and documentation |
| 13:05:59 | webguest82 | Oh |
| 13:06:01 | Bger | and 3) bug reporting |
| 13:06:17 | tvelocity | 4) idling in IRC |
| 13:06:19 | tvelocity | :P |
| 13:06:21 | Bger | :P |
| 13:06:24 | webguest82 | ^^ |
| 13:06:34 | XavierGr | lol |
| 13:07:45 | webguest82 | ^^ <- Smile Emoticon |
| 13:08:11 | XavierGr | ^_^ |
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| 13:08:53 | webguest82 | ;; |
| 13:08:56 | Bger | obviously these emoticons are a new generation ones:P |
| 13:08:58 | webguest82 | Disconnected.. |
| 13:09:55 | tvelocity | maybe it's because people hang out so much on the net, that they have forgoten how a real face looks like |
| 13:09:57 | tvelocity | :PPPP |
| 13:10:11 | Bger | very probably ;) |
| 13:10:12 | _FireFly_ | Bger: ^_^ these emoticons are mainly used in asia |
| 13:10:25 | webguest82 | ok |
| 13:10:34 | XavierGr | tvelocity: Look who's talking :P :P |
| 13:10:39 | tvelocity | lol |
| 13:10:39 | preglow | especially among mad korean starcraft players |
| 13:10:43 | tvelocity | no, no |
| 13:10:54 | Bger | hm |
| 13:10:55 | tvelocity | i see plenty of people in the real world |
| 13:10:59 | webguest82 | nono |
| 13:10:59 | Bger | google for asian emoticons :) |
| 13:11:00 | webguest82 | !!! |
| 13:11:02 | XavierGr | I heard that one died from playing too much!!! |
| 13:11:03 | tvelocity | the real world = azeroth, right? |
| 13:11:13 | webguest82 | especially among mad korean starcraft players <-? |
| 13:11:53 | webguest82 | It is a bad intention? |
| 13:11:58 | XavierGr | It is well known that Korean are fond of multiplayer games, especially Starcraft, isn't this true? |
| 13:12:33 | XavierGr | no, no offense webguest82. |
| 13:12:35 | webguest82 | The long sentence reads and it is strenuous. |
| 13:12:36 | preglow | i love starcraft! |
| 13:12:45 | XavierGr | me too! |
| 13:12:51 | tvelocity | SC pwnz |
| 13:12:58 | Bger | ^o^ |
| 13:13:04 | Bger | heh :) strange ones |
| 13:13:10 | webguest82 | XavierGr: Yes.. |
| 13:13:25 | tvelocity | (__o__) ok sorry, i couldnt resist |
| 13:13:56 | XavierGr | is this an ass or am i dreaming things? |
| 13:14:01 | tvelocity | no no |
| 13:14:03 | Bger | hahahaha |
| 13:14:05 | tvelocity | it's a smiley face |
| 13:14:08 | Bger | XavierGr rofl |
| 13:14:14 | tvelocity | that's a common smiley face in greece |
| 13:14:35 | webguest82 | ... |
| 13:14:36 | XavierGr | lol |
| 13:14:42 | tvelocity | it's clearly smiling, isn't it? |
| 13:14:54 | webguest82 | OK |
| 13:15:05 | XavierGr | they look like 2 buttchicks with a whole in the middle |
| 13:15:37 | XavierGr | tvelocity: are you sure? |
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| 13:15:50 | webguest82 | hi |
| 13:15:56 | tvelocity | yep, i'm possitively 110% sure |
| 13:16:04 | rustic | guten abend |
| 13:16:09 | webguest82 | hi rustic kiuk kiuk |
| 13:16:17 | tvelocity | i know plenty of people that look like that |
| 13:16:18 | rustic | yeah, hi |
| 13:16:22 | tvelocity | especialy politicians |
| 13:16:27 | webguest82 | na sam |
| 13:16:45 | XavierGr | I typed \o/ the other day? What can you imagine this resmbles? |
| 13:16:55 | webguest82 | hangul annaom |
| 13:17:04 | XavierGr | Muesli had a naughty thought |
| 13:17:17 | rustic | ok |
| 13:17:40 | tvelocity | it's clearly a double layer DVD-RW with bethovens works recorded on it in ogg vorbis format |
| 13:18:00 | webguest82 | awkrwalrj |
| 13:18:10 | tvelocity | there's also a textfile there but i can;t read it's contents |
| 13:18:18 | XavierGr | ? |
| 13:18:25 | webguest82 | The long sentence reads and it is strenuous. T^T |
| 13:18:32 | XavierGr | where? |
| 13:19:26 | rustic | We viel ist es? |
| 13:20:03 | tvelocity | wie viel ist was? |
| 13:20:22 | rustic | Wie viel ist |
| 13:20:42 | tvelocity | how many what? |
| 13:20:44 | webguest82 | German language, %u7368%u9038%u8A9E] |
| 13:20:55 | rustic | Deutsch |
| 13:21:09 | webguest82 | -_-; |
| 13:21:11 | rustic | I'm english novice |
| 13:21:16 | webguest82 | okok |
| 13:21:20 | tvelocity | i used to be a native german speaker |
| 13:21:30 | rustic | wow |
| 13:21:34 | tvelocity | but now i have forgoten most of it |
| 13:21:49 | webguest82 | %uFF3C(´ %u2207`)%u30CE,·´%u2033%u201C`°³%u043E%u039F,·´%u2033%u201C`°³%u043E%u039F%u221A(´%u2200`%u221A) |
| 13:22:11 | Bger | webguest82 this is unreadable |
| 13:22:12 | markun | html encoded hangul? |
| 13:22:17 | rustic | I learn the deutsch from the school. |
| 13:23:03 | tvelocity | i'd like to learn japanese some day |
| 13:23:13 | webguest82 | sorry~ |
| 13:23:32 | rustic | japanese... |
| 13:24:00 | tvelocity | i also tried to learn hebrew once all ny myself |
| 13:24:10 | rustic | I wants learning the japanese |
| 13:24:26 | Bger | wow... : OGC <= man masturbating himself (taken from wikipedia) ... didn't know that there is emoticon for *that* |
| 13:24:30 | tvelocity | of course it was a disaster |
| 13:24:32 | webguest82 | me too |
| 13:24:42 | tvelocity | i couldnt even memorize their alphabet |
| 13:24:51 | tvelocity | omg? |
| 13:25:10 | tvelocity | how is that supposed to be a malakas? |
| 13:25:38 | Bger | 08>C <= the same for a woman ... |
| 13:25:42 | rustic | hey,bger , markun |
| 13:25:47 | tvelocity | ah now i see it |
| 13:25:51 | XavierGr | hahaha I got it |
| 13:25:51 | XavierGr | G is the hand |
| 13:25:58 | XavierGr | C are his legs |
| 13:25:59 | tvelocity | lol |
| 13:26:07 | Bger | <no comment /> |
| 13:26:15 | tvelocity | omfgroflmaowtfomfgbbq |
| 13:26:20 | rustic | hey , Bger |
| 13:26:22 | rustic | The web it uses the irc? |
| 13:26:29 | Bger | yes, rustic ? |
| 13:26:29 | tvelocity | <!−− no comment −−> |
| 13:26:30 | XavierGr | cute! |
| 13:27:12 | webguest82 | 08>C ... |
| 13:27:14 | webguest82 | Oh.. |
| 13:27:59 | rustic | this irc ... |
| 13:28:13 | Bger | no, this irc doesn't use html |
| 13:28:16 | rustic | It is a what kind of place? |
| 13:28:30 | webguest82 | I'm sad |
| 13:28:46 | Bger | rustic : if you don't know what is rockbox, see http://www.rockbox.org/ |
| 13:28:49 | Bger | webguest82 why |
| 13:28:52 | webguest82 | It cannot read English.. |
| 13:29:35 | webguest82 | There is not a possibility of seeing the rockbox. |
| 13:29:51 | Bger | webguest82 it's not like you say |
| 13:30:06 | Bger | when rockbox has unicode support |
| 13:30:15 | Bger | someone will translate it to korean |
| 13:30:30 | webguest82 | sorry |
| 13:30:42 | Bger | for what ? |
| 13:31:01 | XavierGr | I think there is already a patch for Korean support though I am not sure that it is translated. |
| 13:32:01 | markun | I have a korean language file that works with the unicode patch |
| 13:32:17 | markun | The patch has just been updated. Works very good. |
| 13:32:47 | Bger | markun what's the status of the unicode patch? |
| 13:33:02 | markun | Almost ready for commit |
| 13:33:30 | markun | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=439120&group_id=44306&aid=1267994 |
| 13:33:31 | Bger | very good news |
| 13:34:00 | rustic | There is a person cs? |
| 13:34:20 | webguest82 | CJK = Chinese Japanese Korean? |
| 13:35:01 | rustic | ah, |
| 13:35:21 | webguest82 | It reads and it is strenuous. |
| 13:36:12 | rustic | you know the dokdo? |
| 13:36:35 | webguest82 | -0- |
| 13:36:39 | webguest82 | dokdo.. |
| 13:37:32 | rustic | don't know dokdo ? |
| 13:37:39 | rustic | dokdo is korea island, |
| 13:37:48 | rustic | no japan island |
| 13:38:09 | webguest82 | While working busy |
| 13:40:11 | rustic | you know? |
| 13:40:18 | rustic | dokdo is korea island |
| 13:40:47 | webguest82 | All for the wild iriver it works? |
| 13:40:59 | rustic | japan sea ( no ) , East Sea ( Yes ) |
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| 13:43:04 | webguest82 | It is bored. |
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| 13:45:48 | webguest82 | http://cafe.naver.com/iriverh300.cafe iRiver H300 Korean User Forum |
| 13:50:20 | webguest82 | It is born but for the rockbox the possibility of working it is? |
| 13:50:45 | webguest82 | Me for the rockbox the possibility of working it is? |
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| 13:51:36 | webguest82 | hey? |
| 13:53:34 | webguest82 | Why there isn't anyone end? |
| 13:55:37 | webguest82 | Is that now dawn? |
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| 14:18:55 | preglow | so, anyone, what gain range do you want for the eq? |
| 14:20:44 | preglow | -24db to 24db sound ok? |
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| 14:22:30 | Bger | pretty good i think |
| 14:22:58 | Bger | maybe more than enough |
| 14:23:03 | preglow | yes, i should think |
| 14:23:38 | dwihno | Anyone got ideas how to disable printer header/footer (ie) programatically? |
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| 14:36:00 | Slasheri | preglow: that should be enough :) |
| 14:36:34 | preglow | yes indeed |
| 14:36:44 | preglow | and will anyone kill me if i set a lower bound on Q to 1? |
| 14:36:53 | preglow | i don't think a q of 0.5 will be very useful for equalising |
| 14:37:05 | Bger | better 0.5... |
| 14:37:10 | Bger | but as u wish |
| 14:37:14 | preglow | well, no |
| 14:37:16 | preglow | i'll never use this |
| 14:37:26 | preglow | if anyone ever uses 0.5 for equalising, then that's the lower bound |
| 14:37:58 | Bger | is it so difficult to change it later ? |
| 14:38:00 | preglow | it's no problem anyway, it's just for deciding on the fixed point format i have to use |
| 14:38:07 | preglow | difficult no, but i'd rather just do it once, heh |
| 14:38:17 | Bger | ok, so it's not just a #define |
| 14:38:21 | preglow | no |
| 14:38:53 | preglow | i want to squeeze as much precision as i can from the processing, so i'll be designing the fixed point format pretty tightly |
| 14:38:55 | Bger | then better make it 0.5 step or there very probably will be someone complaining |
| 14:39:01 | preglow | okies |
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| 14:40:09 | Bger | otoh even with this someone can complain... :) |
| 14:40:18 | preglow | well |
| 14:40:28 | preglow | with a q lower than 0.5, the whole eq band will more or less just be a volume control |
| 14:40:35 | Bger | but then u can just say him : DIY |
| 14:40:36 | preglow | even pro eqs seldom let you go lower than 0.5 |
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| 14:57:01 | preglow | ok, and how high Q ? |
| 14:57:06 | preglow | thirty something? |
| 14:57:33 | Bger | ? |
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| 15:00:58 | preglow | how high do you want the Q factor to be able to go? |
| 15:01:08 | preglow | 31 is a nice number :P |
| 15:01:25 | Bger | really, i have no idea |
| 15:01:28 | XavierGr | why not 30? |
| 15:01:36 | Bger | why not 42 ?:P |
| 15:01:39 | preglow | because 31 is 2^5 - 1 |
| 15:03:11 | XavierGr | I don't know about you, but I am annyed (strange habbit) to see even numbers as maximum. Except the 5. |
| 15:03:14 | Moos | preglow: feel free to do what you think is best ;-) |
| 15:03:27 | preglow | Moos: problem is i never use eq |
| 15:03:41 | Moos | ah, is for us users |
| 15:04:18 | XavierGr | 32 or 30 I think is good but not 31... :p |
| 15:04:20 | Moos | me with iriver fw, I used the ultra bass one :) |
| 15:05:02 | Moos | preglow: you hear flat sound? |
| 15:05:10 | Bger | XavierGr maybe it's good for us, but not for the math ... |
| 15:05:18 | preglow | Moos: yep |
| 15:05:30 | Moos | oki |
| 15:06:34 | XavierGr | Bger I don't get it...it will define a maximum number whats the difference between 31 or 32? |
| 15:06:48 | preglow | because 31 is a nice max that fills out a long |
| 15:06:54 | preglow | if it's not 31, it has to be 63 |
| 15:06:58 | preglow | if not that, 127 |
| 15:07:16 | preglow | i can use other values as well, but these are the maximums, why limit myself to 30 when i can have 31 in the same number of bits? |
| 15:07:18 | _FireFly_ | 254 :) |
| 15:07:22 | Bger | XavierGr 5 bits give values from 0 to 2^5 - 1 = (0,31) |
| 15:07:26 | Bger | unsigned |
| 15:07:35 | preglow | and btw, you will ALMOST have 32 if i chose 31 |
| 15:07:36 | XavierGr | wait a sec we are talking about integers here or not? |
| 15:07:39 | preglow | 31.9999934 or something |
| 15:07:43 | preglow | XavierGr: fixed point |
| 15:07:45 | XavierGr | you can define a 5 bit integer? |
| 15:07:46 | preglow | XavierGr: so yes, integers |
| 15:07:57 | preglow | XavierGr: i have to split an integer into two parts: integer and fractional part |
| 15:08:05 | preglow | XavierGr: i'm trying to decide how many bits to use for the integer part |
| 15:08:38 | XavierGr | then do it 31 you persuaded me |
| 15:08:48 | preglow | this will be easiy to change anyway |
| 15:09:02 | XavierGr | I thought we were talking only for integers which go ~65000 |
| 15:09:11 | preglow | primarily i just want input from people who have used eqs before and know whether they'll ever need more than 31 Q |
| 15:09:30 | Bger | XavierGr the iriver CPU doesn't have floating point, but has fixed point unit |
| 15:10:45 | Bger | and u decide how many bits to use for the integer part and how many for the part after the decimal point |
| 15:10:54 | Bger | in floating point arithmetic you have percision (for example 10 digits) and exponent |
| 15:11:34 | Bger | very rough explanation, but... |
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| 15:12:22 | XavierGr | I don't have experiance about this, but I thought that when you programm and declare a valuer you type: (unsigned or long,short) int x for integers and (unsigned) float x for decimal numbers |
| 15:12:23 | _FireFly_ | hiho |
| 15:12:39 | preglow | XavierGr: nah, you can do fractional numbers with integers as well |
| 15:12:47 | preglow | XavierGr: just look up 'fixed point math' if you're interested |
| 15:12:52 | XavierGr | I understand what you say but whats the declaration process of this |
| 15:12:59 | Bger | XavierGr this is on lower level than C .. |
| 15:13:04 | XavierGr | ok |
| 15:13:07 | preglow | you just use ordinary long and int variables |
| 15:13:09 | Bger | preglow uses directly the EMAC unit |
| 15:13:28 | XavierGr | so preglow are you writting it into C or assembly? |
| 15:13:32 | preglow | and ordinary math operators +, *, etc |
| 15:13:33 | preglow | c |
| 15:13:38 | Bger | hm, sorry then |
| 15:13:42 | XavierGr | so not C invloved? |
| 15:13:47 | preglow | i use just c |
| 15:13:54 | preglow | and i tiny, tiny bit of asm for when i use the emac unit |
| 15:14:24 | XavierGr | I am just weird to see the declaration of such numbers |
| 15:15:00 | XavierGr | sorry to bother you but what is the emac you always refer for optimizations? |
| 15:15:03 | Bger | XavierGr he just uses normal C integer types... |
| 15:15:25 | Bger | Enhanced Multiply & Accumulate Unit |
| 15:15:48 | XavierGr | is it hardware? |
| 15:15:49 | LinusN | XavierGr: it's a special CPU unit that performs fast multiplication of (fixed point) numbers |
| 15:15:57 | Bger | and addition (afaik) |
| 15:15:58 | LinusN | yes, it's hardware |
| 15:16:04 | LinusN | Bger: correct |
| 15:16:27 | Bger | and the GCC doesn't know about it, so to use it u must use coldfire assembly |
| 15:16:34 | LinusN | exactly |
| 15:16:45 | preglow | i'm working on the coefficient calculation at the moment, i wont get to use the emac much there |
| 15:16:57 | XavierGr | I see so this does faster calculations with numbers then |
| 15:17:10 | Bger | multiply and addition mainly |
| 15:17:12 | LinusN | yes, specially designed for DSP functions |
| 15:17:19 | preglow | i've never done coef calculations in fixed point before, so i'm just trying things out |
| 15:17:21 | Bger | it doesn't have devision |
| 15:17:26 | Bger | division |
| 15:18:27 | preglow | no, but you can have 64 bit division in c anyway, via / and & |
| 15:18:31 | preglow | ehh, / and % |
| 15:18:41 | preglow | i wont use those in innerloops :P |
| 15:18:49 | Bger | yes, but this is sloow |
| 15:19:30 | _FireFly_ | affaik can you make division and multiply through shifting |
| 15:19:43 | Bger | only by powers of 2 ? |
| 15:20:18 | preglow | yes |
| 15:20:23 | preglow | and that's not enough, i'm afraid |
| 15:20:34 | _FireFly_ | ah ok |
| 15:20:34 | preglow | anyway, the eq inner loop will only use the emac |
| 15:20:36 | preglow | nothing else |
| 15:20:39 | XavierGr | is it true that iriver would be much more versatile if its CPU could handle floating point? |
| 15:20:44 | preglow | this is coef calculation, and will happen very seldom |
| 15:20:54 | LinusN | XavierGr: sort of |
| 15:20:58 | preglow | XavierGr: you can do almost everything in fixed point, that you can do in floating point |
| 15:21:02 | preglow | XavierGr: it's just more cumbersome |
| 15:21:13 | XavierGr | but with more tasks |
| 15:21:19 | XavierGr | each time |
| 15:21:35 | XavierGr | so to handle a float you must use more CPU time right? |
| 15:21:38 | Bger | otoh it depends on the floating point unit realisation ... it can be very slow |
| 15:21:51 | preglow | most modern fpus are very fast |
| 15:22:02 | preglow | but require quite some silicon |
| 15:22:13 | * | Bger remembers the slow fpu of amd up to k7 ... |
| 15:22:31 | preglow | it's been quite a while since doing floating point math became faster than doing fixed point math on x86 |
| 15:22:38 | XavierGr | why choose a non-float CPU in our days anyway? Then we could port more code without the concerns of floats. |
| 15:22:52 | preglow | almost no embedded cpus have fpus because of the silicon issue |
| 15:22:56 | preglow | it takes up valuable space |
| 15:22:57 | XavierGr | :X |
| 15:22:58 | LinusN | XavierGr: price, die size and power consumption |
| 15:23:08 | preglow | what linus said :) |
| 15:23:19 | XavierGr | wow that much? |
| 15:23:34 | LinusN | besides, floating point isn't always the best solution anyway |
| 15:23:36 | Bger | XavierGr they usually use DSP instead of fpu or i'm wrong |
| 15:23:54 | preglow | well, yeah, in some cases |
| 15:23:55 | LinusN | Bger: there are floating point dsp's too |
| 15:24:08 | preglow | in our case they just use the ordinary cpu integer math with a couple of MAC extensions |
| 15:24:14 | XavierGr | yeah but in the wiki I always read: Floating point encoder so.... "next" |
| 15:25:10 | preglow | converting a floating point project to fixed point requires a pretty experienced coder |
| 15:25:11 | LinusN | XavierGr: yes, that's because the coder didn't write it for embedded use |
| 15:26:21 | XavierGr | ok now lets see other DAPS. Do you know one that has float CPU? |
| 15:26:41 | preglow | nope |
| 15:27:24 | preglow | not even palm pcs have float cpus |
| 15:27:53 | XavierGr | and one last comment then, would it be better or worse to have such a cpu for rockbox and the project overall? |
| 15:28:08 | Bger | it would be easier ... |
| 15:28:16 | preglow | better, sure |
| 15:28:21 | preglow | we could port much stuff straight |
| 15:28:26 | preglow | and coding dsp would be easier, at least for me |
| 15:28:36 | XavierGr | but in the battery aspect? |
| 15:28:42 | preglow | i have no idea |
| 15:29:08 | XavierGr | a little worse or iPod efficiency! :P |
| 15:31:46 | XavierGr | Linus: What about the LAME header and the incorrect playing times? Did you found the bug? |
| 15:33:47 | LinusN | had to take my daughter to the dentist after a nasty fall, so i had to stop debugging |
| 15:34:06 | LinusN | a very loose tooth |
| 15:34:27 | Bger | bad:( |
| 15:34:28 | preglow | how old is she? |
| 15:34:49 | LinusN | she turned 3 today, it's her birthday |
| 15:34:58 | XavierGr | ohh sorry to hear that, is she allright? |
| 15:35:17 | Moos | badluck :( |
| 15:35:18 | XavierGr | Happy birthday to her, many and happy years to come! |
| 15:35:20 | LinusN | yeah, we'll see about the tooth, she'll probably lose it |
| 15:35:47 | Bger | it's not such a big problem at this age ... |
| 15:35:50 | LinusN | but she'll get new ones anyway after a few years |
| 15:35:53 | preglow | oh well, just make sure she doesn't repeat it when the new one arrives |
| 15:35:59 | Bger | :) |
| 15:38:55 | preglow | my brother fell down a flight of stairs when he was a bit older, to slightly worse results |
| 15:39:00 | preglow | kids do tend to fall a lot |
| 15:39:33 | Moos | it's normal :) |
| 15:40:02 | preglow | _I_ fell down a flight of stairs _with_ my then 4 year old brother once, which rendered me quite shaken and dizzy, haha |
| 15:40:18 | Moos | :-) |
| 15:40:19 | preglow | and him yelling for more |
| 15:40:52 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 15:42:11 | XavierGr | does anyone thinks here that maybe the default fond for iriver is a little small? Though someparts of the code must be rewritten if the font size changes(text will not fit) |
| 15:42:18 | preglow | i think it's just right |
| 15:43:04 | Moos | I think so here |
| 15:43:48 | XavierGr | Yeah but I bet that you use another for your preference. (just asking, not that it bothers me) |
| 15:45:08 | preglow | what do you mean? i use the default font, if that's what you're asking |
| 15:45:35 | XavierGr | seriously? wow you must have good sight! |
| 15:45:37 | Moos | here, long time use default font, then neodore for the same font in bold, and now helvet one ;-) |
| 15:46:25 | XavierGr | I used a custom big one (6 lines maximum) but recently I changed again to chicago12 |
| 15:47:39 | Moos | here chicago doesn't work with french language |
| 15:47:55 | XavierGr | What can I say? |
| 15:48:31 | XavierGr | When Unicode patch is commited it would be much easier I think. |
| 15:48:54 | Moos | hehe maybe :) |
| 15:49:03 | preglow | XavierGr: moderately good sight, though it's starting to fail :/ |
| 15:49:09 | preglow | might even have to get glasses soon1 |
| 15:49:10 | preglow | !! |
| 15:49:31 | Moos | :( |
| 15:51:20 | preglow | kind of a miracle it hasn't happened before now, considering how much time i've spent either looking at a screen or reading other material |
| 15:51:34 | preglow | not to mention all the video game playing i did in my younger days |
| 15:51:49 | Moos | preglow: did you tested neodore font?, same as defaut but in bold |
| 15:52:03 | preglow | can't say i did, is it bundled with default rockbox? |
| 15:52:26 | Moos | yes in rockbox dir font |
| 15:53:28 | preglow | nice enough, but like the default better |
| 15:53:36 | preglow | i used to use proportional as well |
| 15:53:48 | Moos | question of habbit ;) |
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| 16:05:44 | preglow | depends |
| 16:05:59 | preglow | i wouldn't want to use proportional in the gui, since i think a fixed width font looks better there |
| 16:06:04 | preglow | but for the viewer, i prefer proportional |
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| 16:29:45 | amiconn | XavierGr: I agree that the default font on iriver could be a bit larger |
| 16:30:17 | amiconn | In order to make it appear the same physical size as on archos, we would need a 7x10 pixel font instead of 6x8 |
| 16:36:20 | muesli- | LinusN is there a bootloader for h3xx in sight? |
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| 16:42:54 | preglow | don't hold your breath |
| 16:43:22 | preglow | you'll hear about it when it's ready |
| 16:54:53 | muesli- | otf love that flash http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/research/images/pr%20images/Get_Perpendicular.swf |
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| 16:57:22 | TiMiD | hi |
| 16:58:05 | TiMiD | LinusN: I updated my patch ... I changed the copyright too, but I still don't know if tit's good that way |
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| 17:01:53 | _FireFly_ | muesli-: ;) |
| 17:02:22 | muesli- | ff ;) |
| 17:03:57 | Moos | Linus: think you, you can give CVS access to TiMiD? |
| 17:04:54 | Moos | or Bagder, Zagor :) |
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| 17:15:54 | TiMiD | I have a question |
| 17:16:21 | TiMiD | how do you handle copyrights in rockbox code |
| 17:16:43 | LinusN | each file has an author |
| 17:17:14 | LinusN | and that statys until *major* changes are done to the file |
| 17:17:18 | LinusN | stays |
| 17:18:04 | TiMiD | I saw in several others open source projects that files have a list of persons wh worked on it |
| 17:18:50 | TiMiD | here the problem is that in some of the new files I made I included big parts of code, but not from one peson, from several persons ... |
| 17:19:18 | LinusN | to be honest, we haven't cared much at all about copyright |
| 17:19:18 | LinusN | but yes, it could very well be a list of people |
| 17:19:33 | NHeal | clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
| 17:19:33 | NJoin | lostlogic [0] (n=lostlogi@node-4024215a.mdw.onnet.us.uu.net) |
| 17:19:39 | TiMiD | (I don't even speak of me since in some of these files I only brought minor modifications in term of functionnalities) |
| 17:20:15 | TiMiD | is it possible to copyright a file for a list of people instead ? |
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| 17:21:48 | TiMiD | for example "Copyright (C) Robert E. Hak (2002), Linus Nielsen Feltzing (2002), Kévin Ferrare (2005)" |
| 17:22:04 | TiMiD | (statusbar code) |
| 17:22:40 | Moos | Linus: doesn't think you it's could be best to give CVS acces to TiMiD (Kevin Ferrar) instead of "lost" your time to look at his multi diplay patch ... ? |
| 17:23:18 | LinusN | Moos: that's a way of viewing it, but it's not wasted time for me |
| 17:23:29 | Moos | :) sure |
| 17:23:55 | LinusN | the thing is that we want to make sure that the coder in question does "the right thing" before we grant CVS access |
| 17:24:09 | Moos | indeed |
| 17:24:32 | LinusN | in this case it's only a matter of time before i give TiMiD cvs access |
| 17:24:41 | TiMiD | hehe :) |
| 17:25:12 | TiMiD | do you think my code can go into CVS in a short time ? |
| 17:25:34 | TiMiD | (I'm bored to update it each time somonemodify my files :p) |
| 17:25:42 | LinusN | i know the feeling |
| 17:25:52 | LinusN | i have 2 things on my mind: |
| 17:25:53 | Moos | it's why I asked :) |
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| 17:26:13 | LinusN | 1) Is this the way to do it, and how does it affect Rockbox as a whole? |
| 17:26:30 | LinusN | 2) Does it break anything? |
| 17:26:48 | TiMiD | I would add 3) your daughter and your wife ;) |
| 17:27:19 | muesli- | some oz here? |
| 17:27:36 | LinusN | TiMiD: hehe |
| 17:27:37 | TiMiD | about 2 I tested on the simulator on each plateforms and it was just working fine |
| 17:28:12 | TiMiD | about 1 .. it's the only solution I found to reduce the code size while adding this multi-screen feature |
| 17:28:33 | _FireFly_ | yepp my approach ha blown the code a little bit ;) |
| 17:28:47 | _FireFly_ | s/ha/had |
| 17:28:51 | TiMiD | (even if i don't think we are gonna see 3-screened mp3 players soon) |
| 17:29:07 | TiMiD | but if that was the case, the app code would be ready |
| 17:29:16 | TiMiD | withthat aproach |
| 17:30:05 | LinusN | i think your code looks good (except for the looooong function names :-) |
| 17:30:14 | Moos | plus remote wasn't with first platforms, is it one other step for Rockbox |
| 17:30:52 | TiMiD | I changed that (the fn names) |
| 17:31:06 | TiMiD | shorte ones :) |
| 17:31:39 | LinusN | i'm not sure i like having all these gui_ files, though? any special reason that each widget is a separate file? |
| 17:32:11 | TiMiD | I want to put those filesin a separate directory |
| 17:32:22 | LinusN | not a bad idea |
| 17:33:14 | TiMiD | I separated the code in small files to makeit more readable |
| 17:33:27 | TiMiD | since these files are independant |
| 17:33:39 | amiconn | LinusN: Remember that we already talked about a similar approach for reducing the code size of the lcd drivers? |
| 17:33:53 | amiconn | Today, the lcd driver share quite some code |
| 17:34:05 | TiMiD | (when I see an 3000 lines code source, my first thought is to run away :D) |
| 17:34:11 | LinusN | amiconn: yes |
| 17:34:27 | amiconn | ...which is therefore included twice for lcd-remote platforms (H1x0) |
| 17:34:35 | TiMiD | amiconn: I proposed that too if I can remember |
| 17:34:36 | LinusN | TiMiD: that's a valid reason imho |
| 17:34:57 | TiMiD | it's notonly the Hx0 |
| 17:35:06 | amiconn | It is for now |
| 17:35:15 | amiconn | Maybe other platforms in future |
| 17:35:33 | TiMiD | the high level display access fn are the same for all playerswith graphic displays |
| 17:35:56 | TiMiD | (like "draw a line", "display a char" etc) |
| 17:39:20 | amiconn | Yes, but they aren't included twice except on the H1x0 |
| 17:39:33 | TiMiD | of course |
| 17:39:39 | amiconn | Plus, some of the optimised primitives work different |
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| 17:40:31 | TiMiD | maybe a single fin with #ifdef wuld be more efficient for these primitives |
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| 17:41:18 | TiMiD | that would avoid to be obliges to maintain as many fn asthere are models of screens when changing one thing to those functions |
| 17:42:04 | TiMiD | that the main reason I see, beyon the fact that effectively it eats a little more memory on iriver when compiled |
| 17:42:33 | amiconn | Ah yes, unifying the source is still an option even if the runtine fns will be different |
| 17:43:19 | amiconn | Hmm, but that requires to have an include file which is not a .h because it contains code... |
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| 17:43:32 | TiMiD | ? |
| 17:44:14 | _FireFly_ | *.inl for example when using templates in c++ |
| 17:44:53 | TiMiD | I don't see why we need to include fiels with code ? |
| 17:45:02 | TiMiD | files |
| 17:46:35 | amiconn | We would need it for unifying the source for gfx functions that need #ifdefs inside |
| 17:47:04 | amiconn | The source file containing these would need to be included from the actual driver sources |
| 17:48:24 | TiMiD | hmm |
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| 17:48:41 | TiMiD | why not a single fn with all the possibilities with ifdefs ? |
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| 17:55:56 | ]RowaN[ | whats the difference between "insert next" and "queue next" in the file playlist options? |
| 17:56:58 | amiconn | TiMiD: You can't have it as a single fn with all possibilities if it is needed twice in different configurations |
| 17:57:08 | amiconn | (H1x0 main and remote display) |
| 17:57:16 | LinusN | ]RowaN[: the inserted file will stay in the playlist, while the queued file is removed after it has been played |
| 17:57:17 | Moos | Rowan: with queue next, after played the file disapear at playlist playing |
| 17:57:31 | amiconn | Or rather, you can, but it needs to be compiled twice with different #ifdefs selected |
| 17:58:00 | amiconn | ...and to do this within one file, you need to include it from 2 different other files |
| 17:58:05 | TiMiD | for fn like draw line, the only thing that change is the screen size |
| 17:58:16 | TiMiD | that's not a big deal |
| 17:58:23 | amiconn | The line drawing isn't the problem. The optimised primitives are |
| 17:58:30 | TiMiD | yes |
| 17:58:44 | TiMiD | the optimized primitives should be in separate files |
| 17:58:51 | TiMiD | as "drivers" |
| 17:59:09 | TiMiD | I was speaking about high level drawing fn |
| 17:59:46 | TiMiD | imho they should even be in application layer |
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| 18:00:13 | TiMiD | (and use driver services) |
| 18:01:00 | LinusN | we want to keep the overhead as low as possible |
| 18:01:15 | LinusN | especially on the archos devices |
| 18:01:36 | TiMiD | overhead ? |
| 18:01:42 | preglow | is there some fixed point rule i don't know about that explains the implicit left shift in an emac multiplication? |
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| 18:04:37 | amiconn | Afaiu, fractional mode operates on numbers in th [-1..+1) range. The left shift by 1 ensures a correct result |
| 18:04:54 | preglow | yes, it does |
| 18:05:13 | preglow | i just wonder why, and if this is something that applies too all signed fixed point muls |
| 18:05:29 | preglow | i'm no fixed point expert, unfortunately |
| 18:06:37 | ]RowaN[ | thanks linus,moos |
| 18:06:57 | amiconn | It's quite simple, imho. Multiplying 2 fixed point numbers is the same as multiplying two integers followed by a shift |
| 18:07:36 | ]RowaN[ | i have an ihp120, but my neighbour has an archos.. is there a similar .exe that injects the bootloader into firmware for archos? |
| 18:07:41 | amiconn | The range [-1..+1) means 1.31 fixed point (1 bit integer/sign part, 31 bits fraction) |
| 18:08:37 | amiconn | Standard multiplication (32*32->64) gives a 2.62 number. |
| 18:09:26 | amiconn | Correcting that to 1.31 means shifting right by 31 positions, then dropping the top 32 bits |
| 18:10:16 | amiconn | This is identical to using the high 32 bits only, shifted left by one position |
| 18:11:53 | amiconn | The top 33 bits of course, in order not to loose precision |
| 18:12:42 | preglow | amiconn: hmm, yes, this makes sense |
| 18:13:27 | preglow | amiconn: i was just a bit puzzled at how the sign bits fitted in, but i understand now, thanks |
| 18:15:06 | TiMiD | amiconn: so what do you think about the drawing functions ? |
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| 18:17:32 | amiconn | It's not important to do it right now. I have some ideas how this could be handled, but it will probably increase code size a bit for platforms with only one display |
| 18:17:59 | amiconn | I want to see the code size reduction by the widget code first :) |
| 18:18:16 | TiMiD | sure :) |
| 18:18:50 | TiMiD | also, what do tou think about the copyright in files ? |
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| 18:26:15 | _FireFly_ | TiMiD your latest patch can't be applied clean under linux |
| 18:26:44 | _FireFly_ | because he wants to patch apps/sources but it should be apps/SOURCES |
| 18:26:59 | LinusN | ah, yes, i forgot to mention that |
| 18:27:29 | _FireFly_ | and something about a cvs/Entries |
| 18:28:16 | _FireFly_ | in plugin/... |
| 18:29:15 | Slasheri | patch should not contain cvs/ |
| 18:29:15 | Slasheri | a proper way to take it is to cvs-do add <newfiles> and then cvs diff should work |
| 18:29:54 | _FireFly_ | or exclude CVS dirs |
| 18:30:20 | TiMiD | oO |
| 18:30:22 | _FireFly_ | diff −−exclude="CVS" |
| 18:30:44 | TiMiD | so bad :( |
| 18:30:52 | TiMiD | I moved the code to a fat partition :( |
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| 18:34:55 | TiMiD | Slasheri: it's not very convenient to do it that way since I have a lot of new files :p |
| 18:35:19 | TiMiD | and since I must do it each time someone change my code ... |
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| 18:35:36 | TiMiD | (the files which I change) |
| 18:35:44 | Sw00p | hi |
| 18:36:36 | Sw00p | is there a list somewhere that shows all the buttons for the iRiver with the corresponding name (like "BUTTON_MENU") |
| 18:37:48 | TiMiD | sure |
| 18:39:21 | TiMiD | for example firmware/drivers/button.c |
| 18:40:37 | Sw00p | thx |
| 18:43:51 | Sw00p | hmm |
| 18:44:54 | Sw00p | i meant more like what button on the player is BUTTON_F1 on the player (the play button, or the A/B-Mode button, or the stop-button) |
| 18:45:38 | TiMiD | depends of the application ... |
| 18:48:19 | Sw00p | ok, i was just looking through the plugins and trying to figure out how they work |
| 18:48:40 | Sw00p | then i wondered if I might be able to change the video.c so it would work on the irver |
| 18:49:09 | Sw00p | but in order to do that i would have to know what the buttons are called |
| 18:49:19 | TiMiD | video ? |
| 18:49:26 | TiMiD | you mean video playback ? |
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| 18:49:58 | Sw00p | i guess this is what the plugin is for |
| 18:49:59 | |Lupin| | Hello, everybody. |
| 18:50:10 | Sw00p | its under /apps/plugins/video.c |
| 18:50:15 | TiMiD | hi |Lupin| |
| 18:50:22 | Sw00p | hi |
| 18:50:26 | |Lupin| | Just a quic question: Does either RockBox or Iriver's original firmware support audio books sold by www.audible.com ? |
| 18:50:29 | TiMiD | Sw00p: it's not very easy to do it |
| 18:50:33 | Sw00p | ^^ |
| 18:51:01 | Sw00p | i just started to read through the code and try to understand it |
| 18:51:28 | TiMiD | afaik the main reason why it hasnt been ported to iriver is stht thevideo format is specifical to archos display (timongs etc) |
| 18:51:29 | Sw00p | maybe i should start somewhere else should I? |
| 18:52:10 | TiMiD | if you are new to rb yes :) |
| 18:52:33 | Sw00p | k, then i'll do that :) |
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| 18:55:03 | TiMiD | afaik they are going to create video codecs since the H300 is coming :) |
| 18:56:14 | |Lupin| | Nobody knows anything about audible.com audio-books, pls ? |
| 18:56:29 | TiMiD | hmm |
| 18:56:37 | TiMiD | sory I don't know :/ |
| 18:56:40 | preglow | i know their format and protections mechanism is secret |
| 18:57:02 | |Lupin| | oh dear |
| 18:57:04 | |Lupin| | thanks all |
| 18:57:20 | |Lupin| | Yet another Copy Control system which prevents a legitimate usage... |
| 18:58:37 | TiMiD | ... |
| 18:58:47 | TiMiD | don't buy your books there :) |
| 18:59:04 | |Lupin| | I'm blind |
| 18:59:15 | |Lupin| | Some books are not easy to find... |
| 18:59:30 | amiconn | The problem with porting video.rock is the audio playback |
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| 18:59:47 | amiconn | For this to work on a swcodec platform, plugins need access to the codecs |
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| 19:00:21 | TiMiD | you mean only video would work on iriver ? |
| 19:00:41 | amiconn | Video frames are rather straight forward - the max. resolution is a bit higher, and the optimal frame frequency is different (70Hz instead of 67Hz) |
| 19:01:15 | amiconn | The converter tools would need to be adapted, but that's simple, at least for the commandline tools |
| 19:01:24 | TiMiD | ok |
| 19:01:38 | TiMiD | will there be a code api for video ? |
| 19:01:47 | amiconn | But - video w/o audio is booring ;) |
| 19:02:38 | TiMiD | onlyvideo is better than no video at all ^^ |
| 19:02:48 | amiconn | api? |
| 19:03:29 | TiMiD | application program interface |
| 19:03:39 | TiMiD | I meant codecs |
| 19:03:55 | amiconn | video.rock doesn't use any codecs |
| 19:04:31 | TiMiD | I know :) |
| 19:04:46 | amiconn | The video frames are plain b&w frames in native lcd format on archos. On iriver they will use the same format, although it's not 100% native |
| 19:05:15 | amiconn | It can be converted to native on-the-fly, but only uses half the space as the real native format |
| 19:05:30 | amiconn | (current lcd_blit() already does this conversion) |
| 19:05:32 | preglow | |Lupin|: it seems audible files are simple mp3s encrypted in some way |
| 19:05:42 | TiMiD | would be the iriver able to play "standard" compressed video formats ?. |
| 19:05:52 | TiMiD | (in terms of cpu power) |
| 19:06:01 | amiconn | I have no idea |
| 19:06:05 | Slasheri | Hmm, sounds interesting. The video file controls directly the lcd? |
| 19:06:06 | TiMiD | I remember I could play low res divx on my old P100 |
| 19:06:26 | amiconn | afk |
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| 19:09:24 | preglow | Slasheri: rvf files are in the format native to the lcd, yes |
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| 19:09:39 | preglow | Slasheri: afaik, you can more or less stream the format straight to the lcd controller |
| 19:09:52 | preglow | this will be really unpractical for newer players, heh |
| 19:11:30 | Slasheri | preglow: hehe, at least it will work on players with slow cpu too ;) |
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| 19:14:50 | jkarp | Anyone got time to answer some Qs about Player button mappings? |
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| 19:40:27 | amiconn | preglow: On iriver you can't stream the format directly to the lcd controller, at least not using the lcd mode rockbox uses now (4-grey) |
| 19:41:17 | amiconn | On archos you can, and converting from this monochrome lcd format to 4-grey on the fly is simple |
| 19:42:23 | amiconn | A compressed video format would probably not gain much space on these low-depth displays, and the handling would be even more complex than for high-depth displays |
| 19:43:26 | amiconn | I guess as soon as there is basic rockbox on H300, someone will start fiddling with video codecs... |
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| 19:54:21 | Sw00p | cya all |
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| 20:37:51 | muesli- | high |
| 20:41:50 | muesli- | amiconn will there be grayscale support for the remote sometime? |
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| 20:45:32 | amiconn | muesli-: Should be technically possible, however I probably won't do it |
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| 20:46:04 | amiconn | What's probably impossible is to have greyscale running on main & remote at the same time |
| 20:46:05 | muesli- | :( |
| 20:46:34 | amiconn | I don't care much about the remote; I never used it for real, only for testing |
| 20:47:37 | muesli- | yeah..i know :-/ |
| 20:48:23 | Maxime | i thought remote was not grayscale? |
| 20:49:16 | jkarp | I'm still looking for help w/ Studio20 button mappings. Anyone here versant in the wps.c / wps.h code? |
| 20:49:36 | muesli- | Maxime yepp..thats i am asking |
| 20:50:03 | _FireFly_ | afaik the iriver fw doesn't use grayscale images on the remote |
| 20:50:13 | _FireFly_ | or i can't see it |
| 20:50:20 | Maxime | I saw somewhere in the wiki that the remote screen was only black and white :x |
| 20:50:31 | XavierGr | yes it doesn't |
| 20:50:31 | muesli- | nope...grayscale was introduced by amiconn |
| 20:50:32 | amiconn | Maxime: muesli- is talking about a mechanism like the grayscale library |
| 20:50:38 | muesli- | afaik |
| 20:50:39 | Maxime | hum |
| 20:50:42 | Maxime | sry ^^ |
| 20:51:20 | amiconn | The iriver main lcd does native greyscale display, but only 4 shades are possible. |
| 20:51:37 | amiconn | The archos recorder lcd is b&w only, like the iriver remote lcd |
| 20:52:02 | amiconn | The grayscale library allows to display up to 33 shades on both the iriver main lcd and the archos lcd :) |
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| 20:55:18 | Maxime | ah |
| 20:55:21 | Maxime | ok i see |
| 20:56:38 | muesli- | anyway i would love grayscales on the remote... |
| 20:56:46 | jkarp | ll |
| 20:58:58 | amiconn | muesli-: For what? The lcd is so tiny... it's even physically smaller than the archos player lcd |
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| 21:00:46 | muesli- | because i see the unit twice in a day: in the morning when i put in my bag and in the evening when i put out..but i am using the remote the whole time |
| 21:01:28 | _FireFly_ | for what do you want the gray-scale support on the remote ?? |
| 21:01:56 | muesli- | eye candy :D |
| 21:02:44 | _FireFly_ | in this case i think that wouldn't make any sense to add it |
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| 21:03:06 | muesli- | ;p |
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| 21:09:34 | jkarp | Guess I'll try my luck on the dev mailing list. |
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| 22:09:51 | miner49er | hi there! Can anyone give me a hand setting up building rockbox in debian, i've finally got it installed but havn't a clue for building rockbox (it was easy in XP with bluechips devkit!) |
| 22:11:23 | Bagder | and you followed the docs? |
| 22:13:13 | miner49er | oh, I didn't know there were docs for linux building....give me an hour or so! |
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| 22:16:21 | miner49er | downloading binutils, ooh exciting! |
| 22:16:43 | Bagder | :-) |
| 22:17:17 | miner49er | This is cool, i've been trying to install debian for ages. |
| 22:17:39 | Bagder | debian simply rocks |
| 22:18:00 | miner49er | i've setup an old PC as a router (coolness) and finally got the internet working on this debina box...ace |
| 22:18:13 | miner49er | hah "debina"! |
| 22:18:24 | miner49er | yeah debian's ace |
| 22:19:22 | miner49er | I wanted to get rockbox building on linux so I could use the simulator, it's a pain constantly unplugging my archos to test code out! |
| 22:20:09 | Bagder | I know the feeling |
| 22:20:20 | Bagder | but it should work rather fine on windows too |
| 22:21:08 | miner49er | I couldn't get it working. Well to be honest I have probably used it as an excuse for installing debian! |
| 22:22:25 | Bagder | I've never built rockbox nor the sim on windows |
| 22:23:36 | miner49er | that's binutils downloaded! that was damn quick! |
| 22:25:29 | miner49er | For my archos, I need GCC 3.4.x, yeah? Colfire? |
| 22:26:01 | Bagder | for archos the 3.3.X series is better |
| 22:26:14 | Bagder | for coldfire, 3.4.x is fine |
| 22:26:21 | Bagder | or even 4.0.x these days |
| 22:27:10 | miner49er | damn, I just started 3.4.4, canceling it! |
| 22:28:06 | miner49er | ..getting 3.3.4 |
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| 22:34:26 | miner49er | Badger: I installed debian from CD originally, so now apt-get keeps asking for CD's (for example trying to install firefox) do you know how to point it at the relevant internet location instead? |
| 22:34:40 | pabs | miner49er: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 22:34:47 | pabs | miner49er: then run apt-get update |
| 22:35:13 | miner49er | okay, thanks pabs |
| 22:35:47 | pabs | np |
| 22:37:16 | amiconn | miner49er: Get the latest 3.3.x for archos (3.3.6) |
| 22:38:07 | miner49er | cheers amiconn :-) |
| 22:39:32 | miner49er | okay pabs, call me stupid but what do I actually edit in sources.list? Just remove the references to the CD's? |
| 22:39:52 | pabs | miner49er: you'll want to comment out the cd references, then add some deb lines that point to a debian mirror |
| 22:40:09 | pabs | miner49er: what version of debian are you running (eg potato, sid, sarge, etc) |
| 22:40:28 | miner49er | comment out with hash # yeah? I'm running sarge |
| 22:40:40 | pabs | yeah, a hash |
| 22:41:00 | miner49er | cool |
| 22:41:05 | pabs | miner49er: the mirror i use is http://mirrors.kernel.org/ (depending on where you're located, there might be a faster one for you available) |
| 22:41:17 | pabs | miner49er: but anyway, here's what my deb lines look like (for the core debian stuff): |
| 22:41:56 | pabs | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
| 22:42:01 | pabs | deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
| 22:42:22 | pabs | (and you should replace unstable with your distribution, eg sarge for sarge, etc) |
| 22:42:40 | miner49er | is that just the kernel stuff though, what about the packages? |
| 22:43:08 | pabs | miner49er: mirrors.kernel.org/debian is a debian package mirror |
| 22:43:17 | miner49er | oh right, okay |
| 22:43:27 | pabs | it's hosted on kernel.org, that's where the kenrel.org part of the name comes from |
| 22:43:48 | miner49er | that must be a fairly big old sever then! |
| 22:43:53 | Bagder | and it refers to 'nstable' |
| 22:43:56 | Bagder | unstable even |
| 22:43:57 | pabs | there's a whole lot of debian mirrors out there, see http://www.us.debian.org/mirrors/ for more |
| 22:44:12 | pabs | Bagder: it's kind of a misnomer really |
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| 22:44:27 | Bagder | just pointing it out, as miner49er may not be aware |
| 22:44:31 | pabs | Bagder: "bleeding-edge" might be more apt |
| 22:44:38 | pabs | Bagder: ah, okay |
| 22:44:40 | Bagder | I'm on unstable myself |
| 22:44:48 | pabs | Bagder: i aws trying to get him to change it to sarge |
| 22:44:52 | pabs | Bagder: cool :D |
| 22:45:07 | miner49er | I appreciate all help :-) i'm very new to linux (yes, that's right a newbie!) |
| 22:46:10 | pabs | hey everybody's new to something |
| 22:48:00 | pabs | miner49er: there's a couple more lines you might want to add for sarge too |
| 22:48:11 | miner49er | okay, fire away! |
| 22:48:12 | pabs | the security package lines, they look like this: |
| 22:48:15 | pabs | deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 22:48:15 | pabs | and |
| 22:48:18 | pabs | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 22:49:26 | pabs | so, the whole file would look like this (ignoring commented lines, of course): |
| 22:49:27 | pabs | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
| 22:49:27 | pabs | deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
| 22:49:27 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK pabs |
| 22:49:27 | pabs | deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 22:49:27 | pabs | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 22:49:34 | pabs | err |
| 22:49:34 | pabs | sd |
| 22:49:35 | pabs | dfklja |
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| 22:49:36 | pabs | : |
| 22:49:38 | pabs | :_ |
| 22:49:57 | pabs | rather, it'd look like this (sorry, typo): |
| 22:49:58 | pabs | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free |
| 22:49:58 | pabs | deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free |
| 22:49:58 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
| 22:49:58 | pabs | deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 22:49:58 | *** | Alert Mode level 3 |
| 22:49:58 | pabs | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 22:49:58 | miner49er | what's the non-free bit all about? I though debian was 100% free? |
| 22:50:23 | miner49er | right, sarge instead of unstable |
| 22:50:38 | pabs | miner49er: the core of debian is all free software, but some stuff is under non-DFSG (debian free software guidelines) licenses |
| 22:50:41 | pabs | miner49er: yeah, instead of sarge |
| 22:51:02 | pabs | miner49er: so the non-free bit pulls in software that's still free to use, but not compatible with the debian licensing policy |
| 22:51:21 | miner49er | right |
| 22:51:28 | miner49er | ..and all the free stuff? |
| 22:52:06 | pabs | miner49er: all the free stuff goes into main |
| 22:52:25 | miner49er | aaw problems. deb-src http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 22:52:32 | miner49er | ignore that |
| 22:52:57 | pabs | honestly i've never used the security trees, so i might have mucked up the URL for them |
| 22:53:08 | pabs | whenever i install debian, i immediately upgrade to sid (unstable) |
| 22:53:33 | miner49er | is it much better? I think i'll wait untill i'm comftable with this though |
| 22:53:34 | pabs | although i'm not recommending you do that just yet (especially not right now, they're in the middle of an ABI change, spurred by a GCC upgrade) |
| 22:53:42 | pabs | so it's a wee bit of a madhouse |
| 22:53:44 | pabs | miner49er: it's different |
| 22:54:19 | miner49er | i'm getting could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavaialble |
| 22:54:28 | miner49er | something using dpkg? |
| 22:54:37 | pabs | miner49er: are you running it as root? |
| 22:54:45 | pabs | miner49er: su -c 'apt-get update' |
| 22:54:48 | miner49er | yeah, should I not be? |
| 22:54:55 | pabs | (or, if you've got sudo set up, sudo apt-get update) |
| 22:55:00 | pabs | miner49er: you should be running it as root, yeah |
| 22:55:14 | pabs | miner49er: did you pause in the middle of an upgrade before, or are you rnning either synaptic or aptitude? |
| 22:56:08 | miner49er | I tried installing firefox previously and it didn't work as it asked for the CD's, which I've lent to a pal. That's all i've done |
| 22:57:34 | pabs | miner49er: usually when you get that lock error, it's because there's another instance of dpkg or apt running |
| 22:58:14 | markun | oops.. this must be #debian :) |
| 22:58:23 | miner49er | hmm, i've only one Terminal open? can one terminal have several processes running from it? |
| 22:58:44 | miner49er | sh*t sorry, this is meant to be Rockbox |
| 22:59:11 | pabs | miner49er: you can have several processes in one terminal |
| 22:59:48 | pabs | but |
| 22:59:54 | miner49er | yeah, ps tells me there is apt-get running on PID 2029 |
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| 23:00:14 | pabs | did you background it earlier or something? |
| 23:00:44 | miner49er | not on purpose! |
| 23:00:52 | pabs | typing "fg" might bring it back |
| 23:01:00 | pabs | alternatively you can do su -c 'killall apt-get' |
| 23:01:35 | pabs | press f5? |
| 23:01:36 | pabs | sdklajfjaklsdfjasdf |
| 23:01:39 | pabs | wrong window, sorry |
| 23:01:47 | pabs | the killall apt-get is for you |
| 23:01:50 | pabs | the other line is for my girlfriend |
| 23:01:55 | pabs | (fixing her computer at the same time) |
| 23:01:55 | pabs | :D |
| 23:02:43 | miner49er | hey man, ps tells me there are loads of processes running 2 pings and 3 vi's |
| 23:03:10 | miner49er | this is weird, I use ctrl x to exit, is this not correct? |
| 23:04:16 | pabs | ctrl-c is better to cancel stuff |
| 23:04:27 | pabs | and obviously <esc>:q! to quit out of vi |
| 23:05:12 | miner49er | but Ctrl c takes me out, does that not kill the process? |
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| 23:08:11 | pabs | miner49er: that should kill it, ctrl-z backgrounds things |
| 23:08:13 | pabs | from the terminal |
| 23:08:30 | miner49er | aaaaahhhh, right, this would explain it |
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| 23:31:06 | TiMiD | I just want to say that it seems there is a little bug in the X11 similator on iriver : the remote emulated screen displays one pixel row less |
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