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#rockbox log for 2005-11-05

00:00:26RotAtoRpreglow: ahh, I see an IRAM change from a week ago that must be the reason for the performance boost, guess I haven't been playing enough attention lately...
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00:11:46whatboutbobhey folks
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00:12:29whatboutbobwas hoping someone could answer a couple of q's i have about usb transfer from h140
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00:12:40Bagdertry us
00:13:19whatboutbobi'm trying to transfer a couple of recordings from the h140 to my puter, but it seems to be introducing artifacts (clicks)
00:13:56whatboutbobits not the infamous glitch problem...the clicks don't seem to exist on the original on the iriver (at least I can't hear them using the exact same headphones)
00:14:22whatboutbobjust wondering if usb is meant to be bit-perfect?
00:14:27Bagderit is
00:14:37Bagderyour problem sounds very... unlikely ;-)
00:15:02whatboutbobpossible cable buggered?
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00:15:25Bagderif it was, I find it unlikely that you'd only get clicks
00:15:42whatboutbobahh...i've just tried it for a third time and the artifacts seem to have disappeared (at least from the one quiet song i've tested...
00:16:02ashridahi'd be more inclined to believe that your computer had crappy sound output. most do :)
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00:16:36markunwhatboutbob: you could check with md5 if the file on your computer is the same as on your iriver
00:16:43whatboutbobash: nah...not can see it in audio catalyst.
00:16:51ashridahand yes, if it wasn't bit-for-bit perfect, i would have thrown my iriver in the bin last year when i got it
00:16:54whatboutbobmarkun: *slaps head* of course
00:16:57ashridahsince that'd be basically useless
00:17:17ashridahmarkun: uh you realise that'll wind up transferring the file over usb anyway, right?
00:17:27ashridahwhatboutbob: aah, crappy codec then.
00:17:28markunyes, just thought of that :)
00:17:43markunfirst make a md5 plugin for rockbox then :)
00:17:47whatboutbobmarkun: i was about to ask if there was any software to compare files...i'm such a dumb-arse...i use md5 all the time (typically with shns to...that's my excuse and i'm sticking with it)
00:18:24whatboutbobdoh...i thought i'd be able to run the md5 on the unit itself.
00:18:38markunIf md5 on the file on your iriver gives different results you will know there is something wrong with the usb transfer.
00:19:51markunshn is the shorten lossless codec, right?
00:19:52ashridahwhatboutbob: you realise, of course, if it's the usb transfer, copying the file to your pc, and then BACK TO the iriver should result in the artifacts appearing on the new copy on the iriver, right?
00:20:39ashridahi'd be more inclined to believe that either a) the encoder on the iriver sucks, and the decoder manages to hide it. or b) the output stage on the iriver is smoothing out the artifacts or c) the pc's codec is similarly crappy.
00:21:01whatboutbobmarku: correct. just to clarify...the files at issue are pcm wavs
00:21:17markunA friend of mine had artifacts apearing in his mp3s after he played them with winamp. A memory test showed his memory was defective.
00:21:34whatboutbobash: but the transfer sometimes works...or at least removes (moves?) some of the artifacts...
00:23:30ashridahmarkun: ooh. didn't think of that. puter is pretty old...could be ram...
00:24:27markunashridah: yes, I was amased this was the problem. Why would winamp corrupt the files.. it should only read them.
00:24:48ashridahwhatboutbob: find a copy of memtest86+, write it raw to a floppy, and boot from it.
00:25:01ashridahmarkun: was it actually modifying the files?
00:25:04markunBut he was also complaining about random crashed, so I gave him a CD with memtest86
00:25:08ashridahor was it just its own buffer memory that's failing?
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00:26:31whatboutbobashridah: burnt to cd ok? (no floppy drive)
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00:27:14markunashridah: the artifacts remained, also some exe files go corrupt
00:27:35markunI thought it might be a defective HD, but with new memory he has no problems
00:27:58markunwhatboutbob: There is also a CD iso:
00:28:20ashridahwhatboutbob: i don't know, been a while since i used memtest86+. my guess is cd is fine, since it can emulate a floppy anyway
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00:30:26whatboutbobthanks guys. will give it a shot and let ya know results.
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00:38:01whatboutboboh, and while i'm here...some other minor probably unrelated weirdness that i've been getting...the last couple of times i've gone to record with iriver fw, i've been told 'hdd full' even tho there's like 5 gig free. am i missing something simple?
00:38:54preglowRotAtoR: that's right, the idata change i did sped musepack up no end
00:38:56preglowgone again
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00:40:27*amiconn finally find a way to reliably reset the CPU regardless of special modes etc
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00:53:54whatboutbobbrb after a memtest
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00:55:59webguest87I'm having a problem after flashing my jukebox. Screen just says *panic* Stokv main. Anybody know what this is?
00:56:31Bagderstack overflow
00:56:43webguest87what can I do about it?
00:56:51Bagdernothing, that is a rockbox bug
00:57:21webguest87it won't start up, or connect with USB. Is this thing dead now?
00:57:23*Bagder runs off to bed
00:57:57linuxstbwebguest87: Which model jukebox do you have?
00:58:18webguest87fm recorder 20
01:00:31linuxstbI'm sorry, I can't help with that.
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01:00:46webguest87know anybody who can?
01:01:10linuxstbYou could try asking again here tomorrow morning (European time). Or try the rockbox mailing list.
01:01:46webguest87I'll try back
01:02:00linuxstbWhen exactly did you get the *panic* message? Was it during the flashing process, or after you rebooted?
01:03:14linuxstbAlso, have you read the information here:
01:03:15webguest87I flashed, then did the "safely remove hardware", then shut off the jukebox. It came up when I tried to start it back up.
01:03:23amiconnwebguest87: What rockbox version did you install? Which first-time flash image did you install?
01:03:59amiconnErm, and what jukebox type is it?
01:04:11webguest87FM recorder 20
01:04:34webguest872.5 version, I just downloaded a few minutes ago
01:05:45amiconnYou used the flash package from ?
01:06:02webguest87I used the windows install
01:06:20webguest87chose the FM recorder
01:06:32amiconnDid you run rockbox from flash before 2.5?
01:07:10webguest87yes, this was to be an update for the rockbox I had before
01:07:42amiconnOkay, so you'll probably have the old flash image, with the archos firmware as alternate image
01:08:28amiconnTry the following: When the box is off, press and hold F1, then press ON to start the box
01:08:45amiconnIt should come up with the archos firmware which will then load rockbox from disk
01:09:23webguest87Looks like it's working now
01:09:45amiconnAfter normal boot, or F1-boot?
01:09:53webguest87f1 boot
01:10:13webguest87You saved all my music!
01:10:56amiconnOk. SO F1-boot works, but normal boot doesn't? Unfortunately I can't test that exact combination. While I have a number of boxes, an FM recorder is not among them...
01:11:22webguest87it'll boot up now
01:11:51amiconnHmm, fishy...
01:11:57webguest87looks like it's fixed and working properly now
01:13:15webguest87boots up with the rockbox splash screen, says ver.cvs 050111
01:13:43amiconnHmm? That looks like an old version...
01:14:29amiconnThe 2.5 release should display Ver. 2.5, nothing else
01:14:34webguest87should I try to flash it again?
01:14:47amiconnDid you see the archos firmware when booting with F1?
01:14:58webguest87yes, I did
01:19:00webguest87I think the whole problem started when I turned off the jukebox, when it was asking me to load the new firmware.
01:19:17amiconnDo you always see the archos firmware when booting?
01:19:22webguest87I was holding the off button without looking at what it said
01:19:40webguest87no, I see the rockbox splash
01:20:14webguest87it's working now, like it did before I tried to update the flash
01:20:43amiconnOkay, so normal boot only shows the rockbox flash (showing the version you mentioned), and starts rather fast (~ 5 seconds)?
01:21:08webguest87now that the *panic* stakov is gone
01:21:22amiconnOkay, so you have an old flash image with a cvs version in the flash, and rockbox 2.5 on disk
01:22:16amiconnWhen you start with F1, there is the rockbox splash shown after the archos firmware. What version does that show?
01:25:11amiconnOkay, so you should also put 2.5 in flash to complete your upgrade
01:25:56webguest87should I just try the windows updater again? And not turn it off when it's asking me to do something else?
01:26:12amiconnNo, you already installed 2.5 on disk
01:26:34amiconnYOu can't flash from the outside, this has to be done on the box itself
01:26:44webguest87can you walk me thru this?
01:26:52amiconnFirst F1-boot into 2.5
01:27:03amiconnThen set "Show files" to "all"
01:27:56amiconnYou should see a folder named ".rockbox" in the dir browser. Enter this folder, and find the file named "rockbox.ucl"
01:28:31amiconn"Play" this file. The flash plugin comes up and "walks" you through the process
01:28:56webguest87okay, Thanks!
01:29:12amiconnWhen the flash finished, you can shut down the box, and start again.
01:29:26amiconnIt should start directly with rockbox 2.5
01:31:41webguest87You've helped me fix the problem
01:32:00webguest87Looks like it's working with the new version
01:32:19webguest87Thanks SO MUCH for all of your help
01:32:29hardeepis anyone working on moving the playlist viewer to the new gui list? looks like it should be pretty straightforward
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01:35:01Moosnever heared this here
01:35:19preglowMoos: wha, you've got files that actually _HANG_ the new metadata handling?
01:35:42MoosHD freeze yes :(
01:35:47MoosI sent you 2 files
01:36:07preglowdcc if you can
01:36:18Moosalready done :)
01:36:19preglowi'm oging away again
01:36:26preglowfix it tomorrow
01:36:35Moosokie good night
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03:48:35whatboutbobashridah, markun: memtest found a faulty ram module. I've swapped it out and am still testing, but it looks like the problem's fixed. Thanks!
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04:22:59amiconnTiMiD: Numeric settings are now properly voiced on entry, but boolean and multiple-choice settings still aren't
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08:37:26webguest82What is 'Optical output'?
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08:40:49Jungti1234hi i'm webguest82
08:47:58Jungti1234There is no answer anywhere.
08:48:13Jungti1234I seem to be busy all.
08:51:23Maximeoptical output is an output for "hi-fi" quality sound, using light ..
08:52:32Jungti1234No one exist here?
08:53:07Maximei've replied
08:53:50Jungti1234What is 'Trigger active'?
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08:55:45Maximedon't know
08:55:56Jungti1234T.T ok..
08:56:27Jungti1234What work does maxime do?
08:57:00Maximei'm testing on my h120, that's all (:
08:57:10Jungti1234Do A
08:57:54Jungti1234I am doing Korean of H100 firmware.
08:58:06Maximeah ok
08:58:19Maximeyou want the "translation" of Optical Output and else?
08:58:26Jungti1234By the way, there is no H100. haha..
08:58:53Jungti1234So, do not know well function.
08:59:05Maximeyup I understand now
08:59:16Jungti1234Need explanation about function.
08:59:47Maximethe optical output outputs music, sounds via light, like the way "optical fiber" is used for internet ..
09:00:08Maximeit's numerical, so, no loose and no interferences during "transport" of sound
09:00:19Jungti1234Is it sight effect?
09:00:55Maximeit's very used for high fidelity sound, and even now in some soundcards
09:01:41Jungti1234Do not understand your speech.
09:02:04Jungti1234Would you talk more once, please?
09:02:39MaximeOPTICAL OUTPUT
09:02:39MaximeDigital audio optical output
09:02:39MaximeA digital connection that transfers multi-channel audio from your DVD player to your amplifier for decoding. Coaxial and Optical are generally considered to be equivalent in quality.
09:04:57Jungti1234Do you connect and record to audio?
09:05:20Jungti1234in playback settings menu
09:07:11Maximepersonally, i do not use optical .. so can't tell how it really works .. sorry
09:08:42Jungti1234Fine, be thankful.
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09:41:55*Jungti1234 님은 부재중이십니다.(Very busy)
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10:10:45Jungti1234Are you much busy all? :)
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11:00:06preglowyes, suddenly ape tags start working here as well, and the flaming usage of the id3v2 buffer bites me. this was bound to happen
11:04:31linuxstb_Morning preglow. How have you been bitten?
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11:11:38Webguest82Came while play starcraft.
11:12:39Webguest82Is as is anxious.
11:13:25Webguest82Is no there head priest?
11:17:21preglowlinuxstb_: by the ape tags, which also use the id3v2 buffer
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11:18:03Webguest82What is 'Optical output'?
11:18:04preglowi think i'll just use the seekpoint buffer instead
11:18:13preglowWebguest82: h3x0 doesn't have optical output
11:19:23Webguest82Is working H100 firmware Korean translation.
11:20:10Webguest82What is 'Optical output'?
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11:21:30Jungti1234Do not I know anyone?
11:22:34Ricknot sure how to describe it
11:24:03RickBasically it uses the optical output feature of the iriver, which is a special jack/plug on the iriver
11:24:04merbanandigital out on optical fibre
11:24:06linuxstb_preglow: Of course. The Ape parser will "reset" the id3v2 buffer. The metadata parsers are getting more and more messy in their use of the mp3entry struct.
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11:26:51linuxstb_Quick gcc question - if I wanted to define a global char array and ensure that it was 32-bit aligned, how would I do it?
11:30:26LearCheck LINE_ATTR macro. Does 16-byte align, I think...
11:30:27preglowbut ok
11:30:53preglowanyone who thinks i shouldn't use the toc array for my dealings?
11:31:21preglowi doubt it'll be used for musepack files
11:31:41preglowlinuxstb_: and btw, there are tons of musepack files with id3 in them it seems... let's hope this misuse continues
11:32:00Learpreglow: use toc for what?
11:32:09preglowLear: saving replaygain text values
11:32:47preglowLear: id3v2 buffer is taken by the ape tag parser, so the musepack metadata scanner needs to use something else
11:34:59LearYes, I can see that... TOC sounds fine though. The code using it knows if the toc is needed for other stuff.
11:36:39LearPerhaps the id3 tag buffers should be merged and renamed, to be more generic, and so that it can be filled from different places...
11:37:50LearE.g., instead of id3v1buf and id3v2buf, have a tagbuffer and tagbuffer_used...
11:37:58preglowLear: agreed
11:38:21preglowLear: and while we're at it rename id3.h to tag.h or something, and id3entry to tagentry :)
11:40:23LearAnd rather than have a global tagentry array, make it part of the file buffer (in front of each file, like the codec, and copy it if the file is larger than the buffer). :)
11:42:56amiconnWell, if you can do this for archos as well... :)
11:43:09preglowshouldn't be that hard, just a whole bunch of code to fix
11:43:25amiconnApart from that I had the same idea quite some time ago (before the start of the iriver port)
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11:44:06amiconnOn archos this will add a big problem though - the bitswap swaps the whole buffer
11:45:54amiconnMaybe when adapting the sw playback engine for archos - but 2 important conditions for doing don't hold yet
11:46:16preglowbut i've fixed the musepack metadata conditions
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11:46:19amiconn(1) The engine should be as reliable as the current hw playback engine
11:46:19preglowwill commit later today
11:46:22preglownow i'm gone
11:46:39amiconn(2) One would need to understand the engine to adapt it...
11:47:03Webguest82hey preglow
11:47:22Webguest82That asked short time ago, do not you know?
11:48:25linuxstb_or (2) One would need to understand _both_ engines to adapt it....
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11:52:50amiconnlinuxstb_: Yes of course. Didn't think about that part because I (mostly) understand the archos playback engine...
11:55:43amiconnlinuxstb_: Did you perform a flac test running at 34MHz and/or 23MHz?
11:55:51linuxstb_amiconn: No, not yet.
11:56:13Jungti1234Can no one answer what 'Optical output' is?
11:56:49linuxstb_I'm back working on my ipod today, so I think I'll start a test running on my H140 now.
11:58:24linuxstb_34MHz FLAC test just started...
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12:11:46Jungti1234There is no a person who reply~
12:12:51linuxstb_'Optical output' refers to the digital audio connector on your player
12:13:02Jungti1234Oh!! Thank you.
12:13:36linuxstb_no problem
12:14:59Jungti1234If is fine, may I ask a question continuously?
12:16:31solexx_don't ask to ask - just ask
12:16:56Jungti1234By the way, there is this menu to playback setting menu, can you explain little more in detail?
12:17:13solexx_be more specific! :-)
12:17:41Jungti1234What do you speak? ^^;
12:18:40solexx_what exactly do you want to know?
12:19:03solexx_btw, there is some documentation for the archos players that explains almost every menu entry in detail
12:19:40Jungti1234Did not know whether is as do.
12:19:50solexx_or use the wiki
12:20:16Jungti1234Website of Rockbox is so difficult.
12:20:18linuxstb_Jungti1234: Which player do you have? iriver or Archos?
12:20:59solexx_Jungti1234: but the menus are almost the same for archos and iriver
12:21:21solexx_so most of the archos documentation also applies to iriver
12:21:49solexx_only the buttons are different
12:22:11solexx_and iriver has some features that archos lacks (like optical output, as far as i know)
12:22:21linuxstb_You could try this page:
12:22:51markunJungti1234: maybe you can write all the words you cannot translate in an email and send it to Dave (not you linuxstb :) , maybe he can help
12:23:04Jungti1234There is no Dave.
12:24:01markunyou have his email, right?
12:24:10Jungti1234Markun, returned now.
12:25:13Jungti1234But, is hard to get fast reply.
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12:25:51Jungti1234Because he lives in United States of America, time becomes difference much with the South Korea.
12:25:58markunWell, just continue with the words you DO know, and write all the other words in a document. Then he can answer them all at once.
12:26:14markunMorning Moos!
12:26:26MoosHi there markun
12:26:30Jungti1234Is that ask a question here discourtesy?
12:27:44markunNo, but its very hard to explain through a machine translation program :(
12:28:33Jungti1234May not explain in Korean.
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12:28:54Jungti1234May not explain in Korean.
12:29:04Jungti1234Want to know about the function for translation.
12:30:11Jungti1234I am sorry because ask a question much. ^^
12:30:50markunNo problem, I understand :)
12:31:00amiconnsolexx_: The archos recorder models do have digital out, just not optical but electrical :)
12:31:09Jungti1234Thank for understanding.
12:31:41Jungti1234Can you connect to MSN messenger if is not busy?
12:35:42Rickwouldn't a korean page on iriver tell him what it is?
12:35:52Rickat least, I believe iriver has a korean company
12:35:56Ricker, website
12:36:21Rickjust a thought
12:38:17Rick"Optical out" section
12:38:25Rickhas some text there
12:42:47Rickhopefully that will help?
12:42:51markunYes, just found it as well :)
12:43:42Rickheh heh
12:44:14Ricknice site layout though
12:44:20Rickespecially compared to the new iriver site
12:44:21CtcpIgnored 2 channel CTCP requests in 4 seconds at the last flood
12:44:21*Rick gags
12:44:24Rickfor america I mean
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12:46:40Jungti1234Rick, thank.
12:46:45RickJungti1234: it helps?
12:47:14Jungti1234Such easy thing..
12:47:14Rickok :)
12:47:51Jungti1234But, there are much that do not know yet.
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12:48:25Jungti1234Can Rick help to me?
12:48:56Rickhelp what?
12:49:30Jungti1234New iriver site are so many flash and picture. :)
12:49:50Jungti1234Trigger active, Trigger idle
12:50:03Jungti1234Do not know well these two.
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13:45:58Jungti1234Are not you busy?
13:46:22RickI am a little
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13:46:41Jungti1234Can you help me?
13:46:48Rickwith what?
13:47:54Jungti1234What is 'Trigger idle'?
13:48:10ep0chtoday I am going to buy a toslink cable to perform a comparison between iRiver and Rockbox sound output
13:48:42ep0chi want to know does the volume on the iriver effect the optical out volume?
13:49:29ep0chand does the dsp effect the optical output?
13:49:37Jungti1234Rick: What is 'Trigger idle'?
13:50:00ep0chJungti1234: in what context?
13:51:00ep0chyou lost me
13:51:07RickI think he means recording
13:51:50markunep0ch: The volume doesn't affect it, but the dsp does.
13:52:21Jungti1234markun was looking at continuously chatting window.
13:52:28ep0chcool, so i can just set bass etc. to 0 and volume is irrelavant
13:52:39preglowMoos: eyh, you're musepack files have been id3 tagged :/
13:53:05ep0chmarkun: were you trying to get rockbox to work on FreeBSD, or was it someone else?
13:53:07markunHm, bass and trebble are also done in hardware and don't affect the optical out signal.
13:53:26markunYes, I'm the FreeBSD gui.
13:53:48ep0chdid you manage to get rockbox to compile?
13:53:59ep0chif so have you got any tips?
13:54:10Jungti1234Rick, do not you know?
13:55:32markunI have to take a shower, after that I can send you a patch
13:56:10whatboutbobmarkun: oh, hey, thanks for the tip on the memtest earlier (my time). Turns out I had a dodgy ram module. Switched it out and the wav glitches disappeared.
13:57:50Jungti1234End to this extent.
13:58:01Jungti1234I am appreciative today all.
13:58:17Jungti1234Give many helps in next time.
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13:59:18MoosHi preglow: what?
13:59:46preglowMoos: the musepack files you sent me have id3 tags
13:59:50preglowMoos: that's why they don't work
13:59:54preglowMoos: but i've fixed it so they work now
13:59:58preglowjust need to commit it
14:00:03Moosah ok
14:00:33MoosI use Tag & rename for tag or retag it's maybe why
14:00:48Moosbut it saw me APE tag
14:01:24preglowrepeat this with me, people: only id3 tags on mp3 files
14:01:32preglowsomeone tell this to the people who write tagging software
14:02:08MoosI know MPC files used meta data APE tag
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14:02:59*linuxstb_ thinks he has ipod ata working..
14:03:05Moosbut with Tag & rename I saw id3 tags are'bt, it showed me APE tag, I don't understand why this :)
14:03:15MoosLinuxstb: congrates
14:03:56Moospreglow: how did you do for checked?
14:03:58preglowlinuxstb_: woot?
14:04:13preglowMoos: i just opened it in a text editor and saw that ID3 was the first thing in the file
14:04:37preglowMoos: but don't worry, musepack will support this in rockbox
14:04:38Moosoki; didn't thought about ths
14:04:48MoosGreat :)
14:07:19preglowwhat really happens if get_metadata returns false?
14:07:49Moosoops Lear gone :)
14:09:32linuxstb_preglow: I think the technical term is "undefined". This needs fixing in playback.c
14:09:46linuxstb_It's not consistently checked.
14:10:04linuxstb_My intention is that if get_metadata() returns false, then the file should be considered unplayable by Rockbox.
14:10:35preglowlinuxstb_: yes, that's what i think as well
14:10:40preglowlinuxstb_: but it did something wildly different
14:10:46preglowi was note quite what it did
14:10:50preglowquite sure
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14:13:04linuxstb_get_metadata() is called in various places in playback.c and sometimes the return code is ignored.
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14:13:36preglowhow do i get the file position in rockbox?
14:14:49ep0chmarkun: ty
14:15:17preglowforget it, i don't need it
14:15:53ep0chmarkun: oops it died
14:16:21preglowSEEK_CUR can use negative offsets, yes?
14:20:03linuxstb_Celebratory photo:
14:20:08linuxstb_preglow: I would hope so.
14:21:02preglowlinuxstb_: excellent! congrats!
14:21:26ashridahlinuxstb_: good god man, my eyes, the fuzziness!
14:21:38linuxstb_Yes, sorry about the photo quality...
14:21:46preglowwho can complain about focus at a time like this!
14:21:50markunep0ch: I sent it again
14:22:00ashridahsince i dislike ipods in general
14:22:14ep0chmarkun: yeah its not happy
14:22:15preglowif you dislike an ipod with rockbox on it, you should be ashamed
14:22:29ep0chmarkun: mail it to please
14:22:31markunlinuxstb_: great progress!
14:22:31uskiwhat ???
14:22:34uskirockbox on ipod ??
14:22:36ashridahpreglow: the audio quality on them isn't too great.
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14:23:15preglowlinuxstb_: do you think this is front page material? i do :P
14:23:20preglowbut perhaps it's better not to
14:23:32amiconnlinuxstb_: Wow, congrats!
14:24:57amiconnBtw, I know this feeling:"> <= First working MMC access on Ondio, approximately a year ago...
14:25:20linuxstb_I now need to test if the fat driver is working properly - so the bootloader is actually capable of loading something. But the raw ata_read_sectors() appears to work
14:26:07amiconnTook me almost a month to get this working... I didn't need it for booting rockbox itself, that was fortunately done by the builtin archos firmware
14:26:32ghode|afklinuxstb_: you really know how to make the h300 users jealous :p
14:26:41ep0chmarkun: thanks, got it this time, i'll try it later on
14:28:21amiconnI think the site should have a gallery for keeping such "milestone" pictures
14:29:14preglowamiconn: indeed
14:29:57preglowlinuxstb_: let us know how your effort fares, i'm very interested in hearing about it
14:30:06muesli_-are you talking about rbx on ipod?
14:31:17uskithey seem to be !
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14:32:39lamedhello everyone.
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14:33:45lamedI'm having serious problems with making a patchfile (!!!). I guess that something changed to CRLF newline when i wasn't looking. how am I changing that?
14:35:27preglowi didn't think i was ever going to ask this, but does anyone know how i id3v2 tag a flac file?
14:35:45linuxstb_preglow: No, but I have an example.
14:36:23preglowlinuxstb_: good, i've just put your flac id3 skipping code in a separate function for general use
14:36:32preglowand want to see if it works before i commit
14:36:49linuxstb_I can't test it myself - my H140 is running a FLAC playback time test ATM.
14:37:47linuxstb_I'm uploading my test file now.
14:38:29lamedany help with the silly newline problem?
14:38:46preglowlamed: depends on your editor
14:39:00linuxstb_preglow: One thing to note - the getid3v2len function seeks to the start of the file - see firmware/id3.c
14:39:17preglowlinuxstb_: i know, but id3v2 tags should always be at the start of the file
14:39:32preglowlinuxstb_: if they're not, then hell, we don't need to worry about them
14:39:45preglowlinuxstb_: thanks
14:43:04lamedpreglow: i'll look. (dev-c )
14:43:15preglowrockbox screws up royally on get_metadata false
14:43:19preglowthis should not be
14:44:58preglowit actually locked up my unit
14:48:09lamed... isn't there a simple way to check what newline is it? it looks like dev-c don't give a rats eye about newlines. it opens both of them and don't let you mess with it too much. but when I try to diff a file and it's origin, I get a huge patchfile contaning both files. (sounds like it is a newline problem?)
14:48:54linuxstb_Well, open() and filesize() seem to work :)
14:49:30linuxstb_Next test - load the ipodlinux kernel from disk and run it.
14:51:25*preglow crosses fingers
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14:57:50linuxstb_Kernel loaded... :)
14:58:14preglowMoos: there, commited
14:58:22preglowlinuxstb_: it works fine?
14:59:09Moosok, I will test and give you feed backs
15:00:08linuxstb_preglow: Yes, it appears to. I copied the kernel to the FAT32 partition, and my bootloader can load and run it.
15:00:32linuxstb_I guess it's time to clean it up and start committing to CVS. Now the real work starts.
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15:01:02Mooslinuxstb: congratulations again
15:01:13preglowlinuxstb_: excellent, excellent
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15:03:26preglowlinuxstb_: to what degree does your ipod model work with ipodlinux?
15:04:12linuxstb_It should work perfectly, but I think there are still some bugs in the LCD driver used by podzilla.
15:05:12linuxstb_The major limitation of IPL is that there is no usb mode. As far as I can tell, this is done in software by the Apple firmware. But I think usb detection works, so this forces a reboot.
15:06:10linuxstb_Got to go now. bbl.
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15:08:07preglowthe fact that all apps use their own driver impresses me no end
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15:27:00lamedyes... it's definetly a newline problem. now I only have to find out how to change styles.
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15:40:09lamedok ok here it is, just for anyone to might have this problem, i'll add this to the documentaion as well, dos2unix and unix2dos are the tools for the newlines problem.
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15:45:34amiconnlinuxstb_: For USB, as soon as you have the detection working, and a reboot function, you simply need to undefine USB_REALLY_BRAVE in usb.c. Then usb detection will cause rockbox to reboot the box
15:45:54amiconnaway again
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15:53:30tucozlinuxstb: congratulations. Man, I want an ipod now.
15:54:08linuxstb__There's still a long way to go, but it's looking promising.
15:54:32tucozYes, I understand that.
15:54:48preglownothing like the h1x0 port, i'm sure
15:54:55preglowat least we've got software codecs now
15:55:24linuxstb__The cool thing is that the Nano is almost identical to my 60GB photo. So it would be trivial to port what I've done so far to a Nano.
15:55:35preglowthen hooray, says preglow
15:55:38preglowfor he intends to get one
15:55:44tucozRegarding a Milestone page, that is a really good idea. It would be interesting at least to read about the major clashes in rockbox history
15:56:30tucozSeems like Bagder have been thinking about this.
15:57:09tucozthe nano looks very neat.
15:57:23tucozespecially with Rockbox on it :)
15:57:25preglowit's small and it's got an ipod interface
15:57:41preglowi've been wanting a flash based player for a while
15:57:51tucozinterface as in looks or as in ui?
15:57:55lamedcould someone offer me a nice trick to run a specific command recursively on every folder in the root folder? I mean dos2unix don't have a -recursion switch.
15:57:57preglowthe scrollwheel
15:58:06preglowthe ipod looks don't tickle me much
15:58:13ep0chlamed: use find
15:58:23lamedthanks i'll look into
15:58:33tucoznah, they are cool enough. But the looks of them are like a piece of soap.
15:58:35linuxstb__lamed: Or use wildcards - e.g. dos2unix * */* */*/*
15:58:44ep0chlamed: find . -type f -exec dos2unix {} \;
15:58:49ep0chor something
15:58:57linuxstb__I agree - the bars of soap are now looking very dated.
15:59:38lamedbut dos2unix * */* */*/* wouldn't go through the whole tree, right?
15:59:49tucozlinuxstb__: You picture of your ipod is still the prettiest ipod I have seen :)
15:59:52_FireFly_better find . -type f -exec dos2unix '{}' ';'
16:00:09linuxstb__It would if your wildcards cover enough levels. Find is better, but I find wildcards quicker to type
16:00:34ep0chi've got optical outputs of an mp3 from iriver, rockbox and foobar. can't hear a difference, but my ears arent exactly the best
16:01:00linuxstb__tucoz: Yes, but the last line of text is sad.
16:01:13preglowok, seems me order 10 unrolled thingie is ready for commiting
16:01:31tucozlinuxstb__: but the rest is funky
16:01:37tucozgtg, bye
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16:01:41linuxstb__preglow: Stop making my FLAC tests obsolete before I finish them :)
16:01:47preglowlinuxstb__: i was thinking about that, hehe
16:02:12preglowi can't make it vomit noise anymore, at least
16:02:27linuxstb__Your challenge is to make it run at 23.5MHz without boosting.
16:02:33ep0chno 11!
16:02:53preglowlinuxstb__: we'll see, i'm planning on optimising the default case
16:03:02preglowlinuxstb__: to make it eat eight coefs at a time
16:03:09preglowwhich MIGHT help some, but i'm doubtful it'll help that much
16:03:31lamedhow do i stop the screen before it throws up the begginging? like when grep −−help?
16:03:55_FireFly_lamed: ??
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16:04:37lamedwhen you type grep −−help you can't read everything unless you are superman. what's the command to stop the screen...
16:05:03ep0chpipe it into more?
16:05:09_FireFly_or less :)
16:05:18ep0chgrep −−help | more (or less)
16:05:34preglowlinuxstb__: you should include battery type on the runtime wiki page
16:06:10Moospreglow: just back, I tested your last changes
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16:06:31ep0chhas anyone done optical output comparisons between rockbox and iriver yet?
16:06:57ep0chi wanna know if i'm wasting my time :)
16:07:41_FireFly_afaik nobody yet
16:07:47preglowMoos: works?
16:08:02preglowep0ch: none that i know of
16:08:12Moospreglow: bitrate and track number info are good for all my musepack files, but for other infos, few files it's well, but others just bitrate and track nbr ibfo, others infos are'nt showed
16:08:29Moosdon't know work, but if you want I send you files
16:08:32MoosI can
16:08:32preglowep0ch: and i'd be interested in seeing the results and the deocded files
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16:08:45ep0chgood i'll put the outputs somewhere, just need to find a suitable Vorbis tune now
16:08:57preglowep0ch: if you could try mp3 as well, that would rock
16:09:07ep0chmp3 outputs are done
16:09:17preglowep0ch: don't need enormous wav files, just small snippets
16:09:31ep0chheh they are 4.30 min flac files atm
16:09:40preglowwill do fine for my sake
16:09:46preglowMoos: you mean like title and artist?
16:09:57Moosyes :)
16:09:58ep0chno idea how to do a proper comparison though
16:10:06Moosinfos mised
16:10:13preglowMoos: are you sure those files have ape tags? that's all musepack on iriver supports at the moment
16:10:21preglowep0ch: i can do that part
16:10:36ep0chcan i ask how you would do it?
16:10:50preglowsure, i'll just load both of them into adobe audition and have a look at the waveform and spectrum
16:10:58preglowsubtract them from each other and see the errors that remain, etc
16:11:04ep0choh yeah!
16:11:16Moospreglow: tag 챕 rename shows me the APE tags yes
16:11:24ep0chi forgott about subtracting :)
16:11:48preglowMoos: weird, can i have one of them?
16:12:00Moosyes sure
16:12:26Moos... if you still have got files sent you
16:12:37Moosthey are exemples
16:13:13Moosin my units those files in exemple doesn't show the metadata infos
16:13:52MoosI see this fastly, because I use the "next son infos" WPS screen info
16:14:52_FireFly_Moos: windows or linux ??
16:14:55Moosbut I've got too files with all infos, but those ones, showed me all infos even you begin to touch the metadata parser thing
16:15:00Mooswindows :)
16:15:22_FireFly_so my tip wont work :)
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16:15:46Moosthis just for musepack
16:17:18Moospreglow: the good thing that those 2 exemples files doesn't played at all yesterday
16:17:28Moosnow just infos missed
16:17:38_FireFly_Moos: do you have a tag-tool which can only id3-tags ??
16:18:01_FireFly_then you could try if this tool show some tag-infos from this files
16:18:03MoosI use exclusively Tag&Rename for windows
16:18:28Moosfoobar show me those metadata too :)
16:19:04_FireFly_say it also if the meta are ape or id3 tags ??
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16:20:08Moosaparently preglow said me those files are id3 tags, but I didn't know id3 tags concerned MPC too
16:20:36Moosin tag&rename it show me APE v2
16:21:23_FireFly_maybe tag&rename doesn't propably clean out the id3-tags
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16:21:39linuxstbpreglow: How should I refer to the different possible batteries in a H1x0 on the runtime wiki page? I've just got the standard factory installed one.
16:22:11Moospossible yes, I can try with other identity files editor, I'll just try foobar for see
16:22:50_FireFly_maybe this is better
16:23:04MoosI'll try :)
16:23:39_FireFly_i havn't test this tool because i'm mainly under linux :)
16:23:51Mooshehe :)
16:24:02_FireFly_but the feature list looks good
16:24:07Moosgod father is good too
16:27:11Moosthat show me ID3 v1 (ID3v1 ID3v2 and APE v2)
16:27:35Moospreglow maybe APE v2 tag not known by the parser?
16:28:22_FireFly_or it took only the first tag-type it found
16:33:26Moosno isn't APE v2 tag thing
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16:34:17MoosI just test ine of my files working pretty well with Rockbox and that show me APE v2 tag
16:34:30Moosonly not ID3 v1
16:35:05Moosthis is this ID3 tag info the cause
16:35:16Mooshope in preglow :)
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16:46:19lamedcan h100 remote handle on button ?
16:46:32lamedon <plus> button?
16:53:23lamedseems like it doesn't react on it.
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16:56:12_FireFly_lamed: what do you mean ??
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17:04:25lamedi'm trying to bind ON <plus> |<< and ON <plus> >>| no luck so far, but i recall this should work
17:06:20lamed~/rockbox>cvs update -dP
17:06:24lamedcvs update: No CVSROOT specified!
17:06:35lamed_firefly_ help?
17:06:59_FireFly_have you a cvs-dir in ~/rockbox ??
17:07:14lamedargh. damn.
17:08:31lamedcan i make it without redownloading a fresh rockbox-dev package?
17:08:37lamed(build the cvs dir)
17:09:16Moospreglow: you there?
17:09:38_FireFly_you could try to export the CVSROOT
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17:12:23lamed_firefly_: how do i do that..?
17:12:43_FireFly_export CVSROOT=...
17:13:18_FireFly_or spezifie directly after cvs this:
17:13:29_FireFly_ups i mean this login
17:13:43_FireFly_e.g. cvs update -db
17:13:45_FireFly_e.g. cvs update -dp
17:17:00lamedcvs is so increadibly slow.
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17:22:52RotAtoRTo any devs who are awake: I'm planning to commit my bejeweled plugin soon and I want to check here to make sure that I don't muck up or forget anything on my first commit
17:23:01RotAtoRI've added the standard rockbox source header to the new file and added an appropriate entry in the plugins SOURCES file
17:23:12RotAtoRThen I need to do a cvs add on the new file and then commit both, right?
17:23:17muesli-cheers RotAtoR ;)
17:23:17RotAtoRAm I missing anything?
17:24:09preglowMoos: i'm a bit busy
17:24:54Moosdon't worries, I did just noticed one litle thing
17:25:40preglowwhat then?
17:26:00preglowRotAtoR: that should do it, yes
17:26:12preglowMoos: i've got the files, yes
17:26:59MoosI tried new tager software, it show me metadata better
17:27:24RotAtoRok, then time to commit :)
17:27:38_FireFly_Moos: :)
17:27:46Moosand I tried to change the current ID3 tags to APE v2 tag
17:27:58MoosFireFly: :)
17:28:13_FireFly_and any success ??
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17:29:19Mooswhen I played it that worst, because after tag conversion album and artist info are missed from WPS screen
17:30:00linuxstb_RotAtoR: Does your plugin compile cleanly for all targets and all simulators?
17:30:33MoosI noticed with this that for all my musepack files artist and album are in the WPS screen, but not in the ID context menu and so in the "next song" info
17:30:55MoosRotAtoR: cool
17:33:27RotAtoRlinuxstb: yes, i tested all targets
17:33:32RotAtoRand sims
17:33:46Moosgo go go :)
17:34:09Moos(I already use your forum version)
17:34:16Moosfine plugin
17:35:12linuxstb_RotAtoR: Then commit :)
17:35:44RotAtoRok :)
17:35:44preglowMoos: yeah, i see they've got both id3 and ape
17:35:50preglowMoos: but i've got no idea why it doesn't display
17:36:23Moosbut when I remove them and change for APE v2 tag, it's worst
17:36:39Moosnothing in WPS screen artist album
17:36:53preglowwell, i've got no idea how ape works
17:37:26Moosthe strange thing, is the album and artist info are both in WPS screen but not in the "show ID" context menu
17:37:58Moosit's why isn't in next song WPS info
17:38:17Moosyes strange
17:38:42Moospitty Lear isn't here for help a bit :)
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17:55:45RotAtoRhmm, i had previously checked out rockbox as anonymous, so now i checked it out with my username and for some reason the uisimulator directory does not get checked out
17:57:51linuxstb_Just type "cvs co uisimulator" - from the directory containing apps, firmware etc
17:58:14RotAtoRok, thanks
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18:11:27RotAtoRumm, how do i work this comment editor that appears on cvs commit? :o
18:13:45TiMiDcvs commit -"blablabla" ?
18:13:52TiMiD-m "..."
18:14:26preglowyou also get booted into your usual editor if you don't leave a comment on the command line
18:14:34preglowjust do cvs commit filename
18:14:40preglowand enter the comment when it tells you to
18:14:49preglowright, what editor is it?
18:14:50RotAtoRahh, this must be vi then, which i never use ;)
18:14:57preglowjust press 'i' to enter text
18:15:09preglowthen escape when you're done, then type :wq
18:15:23preglowincluding the colon
18:15:25RotAtoRi'll have to try an remember all those silly vi commands ;)
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18:16:05sneakumson iriver with current builds, do i need to do anything special to get stuff to happen with the remote
18:16:18sneakumsthe buttons work, but the screen just lights up, it doesn't display anything
18:16:20preglowsneakums: no
18:16:25preglowsneakums: well, it should
18:16:33sneakumshmm, strange
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18:16:37_FireFly_RotAtoR: or export the EDITOR var with your favourite editor
18:16:39preglowsneakums: are you certain you're using a daily build?
18:16:43ehntoosneakums: does it even display the file tree?
18:16:53_FireFly_RotAtoR: e.g. export EDITOR=nano
18:16:59sneakumsi built it myself
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18:17:01RotAtoRi'm using cygwin and always use an external editor, never use any of the editors that are included in cygwin
18:17:03_FireFly_before cvs commit
18:17:20RotAtoR_FireFly_: thanks, i'll try that
18:17:44sneakumsand cvs up's output matches the changes mentioned on's tracker, so i think i'm pulling the right stuff
18:18:03ehntoosneakums: do you get a file tree?
18:18:27sneakumsnot on the remote
18:18:28sneakumsit's blank
18:18:43ehntootry a daily build
18:18:44sneakumsi tried the iriver firmware and it works there, so it's probably not a hardware problem
18:18:46_FireFly_hmm then it isn't init correctly
18:19:07sneakumsi'll grab a daily from, but i haven't had any other problrms with my builds
18:19:16_FireFly_unplug it and replug it again
18:19:24sneakumstried tha a few times
18:19:32_FireFly_at least on boot the rockbox logo should be shown on the remote
18:19:36sneakumsno logo
18:19:52sneakumsit showing the logo a while back, i assumed it was to do with the ongoing remote work
18:19:54RotAtoRyay!, "Build expected to complete around 17:33:22"
18:20:25TiMiDsneakums: what about the contrast of the remote ?
18:20:34_FireFly_it should be 42
18:20:58sneakumsboy is my face red
18:20:59sneakumsit was 21
18:21:03sneakumsi can see stuff now
18:21:05preglowRotAtoR: looks like that went smooth
18:22:15sneakumsany plans to wire up the rocker labelled 'volume' to the volume control?
18:22:56TiMiDI'm currently working on it
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18:23:07TiMiDthe settings code is very messy
18:23:09key2anyone has some experiances with Verilog here ?
18:23:25key2!seen mattzz
18:26:31sneakumsit looks good, and thanks for the help!
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18:27:03TiMiDsounds settings are working :)
18:27:21TiMiDmaybe I will commit after some deeper tests
18:28:08TiMiDbut I truly think that themenus arch is very heavy and bloated :(
18:28:23TiMiDeverything is hardcoded
18:39:41preglowanyone here with a ton of flac files who want to test a flac.codec for me?
18:41:25ehntooI've got a couple albums.
18:41:47ehntooif I can find my iRiver, that is.
18:41:48preglowi probably forgot to mention -8 encoded albums are most helpful
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18:43:28RotAtoRi have a ton of flac -8 files
18:43:46preglowbe a bit careful, it _might_ breaj
18:43:53preglowthat's what i'm trying to find out after all
18:44:02preglowso don't go full volume
18:44:17preglowi've tried it on the files i have, and it works ok
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18:47:10preglowwhat do you guys think, btw, should i leave seeking enabled for musepack files, or disable it?
18:47:23preglowit's so slow several people have thought their unit was hanging
18:47:33lamedI'm making a patch, do you mind a global_settings value in a driver?
18:47:34*lamed crosses fingers...
18:48:54RotAtoRpreglow: no problems so far on a dozen or so various tracks I tried
18:50:49preglowRotAtoR: think i'll call it good and commit it then, thanks a bunch
18:51:40preglowlamed: what would you use a setting for in a driver?
18:53:51linuxstb_preglow: Does seeking to the start of a musepack file work quickly? That's needed when you try and skip to the previous track.
18:54:20linuxstb_If seeking is really that bad, I would disable it - but keep the special case of seeking to the beginning.
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18:55:32preglowlinuxstb_: looks like that's instant, yes
18:57:24preglowok, but now i'll go back to work on the 64 bit optimised case
18:57:43TiMiDis it any reason why all sounds accessors are in the same sound_set function
18:58:05TiMiDinstead of being in separate fn like sound_set_vol, sound_set_bass, ..
18:58:27TiMiDI'talking about sound.c in firmware
19:00:06Mooshi TiMiD
19:00:08lamedpreglow: it has to check if some option is enabled or disabled to know how to display a textline, if the user wants it to scroll out of the screen or not. I guess i can put it elsewhere but i'm not sure where.
19:00:24Moospreglow: seeking is definitively bugish here yes
19:00:33preglowMoos: it's not bugish, it's just slow
19:00:40preglowMoos: musepack doesn't support fast seeking
19:00:41TiMiDhi Moos
19:00:59lamedmainly the patch works on the gui_list widget, so i might put a new function there.. not sure though.
19:01:20Moospreglow: here: freeze spining down or spining and restart at begin start
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19:01:37TiMiDlamed: what do you want to add to gui_list ?
19:01:52Moospreglow: would you like files?
19:04:13Moosany tracks from my various musepack albums seek good
19:04:31MoosI'' try to reset seting, in case...
19:05:38preglowMoos: i can't do anything to fix seeking
19:05:55MoosI never sais you that :)
19:06:13Moosjust you evocated to temporary disable it
19:06:25MoosI think is a good idea :)
19:06:44preglownot temporarily
19:06:47preglowit'll never be enabled
19:06:57preglowthe current musepack format will never support fast seeking
19:07:20MoosI undestood this :)
19:07:30Moosisn't complaint
19:08:11preglowsure, i know, just making sure you know
19:08:21Mooshehe thanks
19:08:23preglowif musepack sv8 ever comes, you'll have seeking
19:08:30Mooswe hope so
19:09:16Moosabout your commit of few hours ago, logs says:" Added ID3v2 skipping for Musepack files"
19:10:02Mooswhat about ID3 v1, the problematics info files are in ID3 v1
19:10:12preglowso they have that, do they
19:10:21preglowno wonder they don't display ape tags, then
19:10:29preglowso in short, they have id3v1, id3v2 _AND_ apev2? :PPP
19:10:35ep0chpreglow: opticalout for mp3 and vorbis are here:">
19:10:51preglowep0ch: will try to have a look at now
19:10:52Moosid3 tags are missed here
19:11:16ep0chthey all look the same to me
19:11:33ep0chthey're recorded at 16bit
19:11:35preglowep0ch: yes, you need to do more than look ;)
19:12:06ep0chwell i zoomed in and the waveforms had the same shape, so i guess it would sound the same :)
19:13:39Moospreglow: when I look in details the problematics files tags that show me ID3 v1 (ID3v1 ID3v2 and APE v2)
19:14:33Moosand those tags apear doesn't suported currently by Rockbox
19:15:15preglowMoos: never tag _anything_ but mp3 files with id3
19:15:21preglowMoos: just remove it, and you'll have no troubles
19:15:31MoosI tried this
19:15:36preglowMoos: the ape reader doesn't currently strip away id3v1
19:15:45preglowi might fix that some day, but i don't like doing it ;)
19:15:47Moosreplace them in APE v2 tag but this worst :)
19:16:20Moosmaybe time to try still an other good software tager
19:16:29Moosmaybe that could help
19:16:46_FireFly_if you where under linux easytag were a good choice ;)
19:16:47preglowwhat do you use?
19:17:07Moospreglow: want you for see 1 file taged APE v2 not suported by Rockbox for exemple ?
19:17:32lamedTimid: i was away on the phone sorry for not answering it's just that i've got a date... with my ARMY OFFICER!! seriously. she's gorgeous!
19:17:46preglowMoos: sure
19:18:21MoosI use ordinary tag & rename, but I tried one proposed by FireFly "MP3tag"
19:18:35TiMiDlamed: congratulation =)
19:19:12preglowep0ch: very, very small differences between iriver and rockbox mp3
19:19:15preglowep0ch: almost non-existent
19:19:23preglowep0ch: btw, it looks like you've got some dropout going on
19:19:28preglowep0ch: i get single-sample spikes here
19:19:39ep0chon the mp3 one?
19:20:00ep0chall files?
19:20:01TiMiDanyone has an answer about sound_set ?
19:20:07preglowep0ch: haven't leeched vorbis ones yet
19:20:49ep0chwierd, what could cause dropouts
19:20:49preglowTiMiD: there are functions for all the other ones as well, i just believe sound_set is what combines them into a few parameters and passes to the codec chip
19:21:09preglowep0ch: rockbox bugs? iriver bugs? soundcard bugs?
19:21:15ep0choh ok
19:21:33TiMiDpreglow: no, all the work is done in one big function
19:21:34preglowi haven't compared with foobar yet, to see which of them is wrong
19:22:11TiMiDit's a little ugly
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19:23:14Moospreglow: I just test again with one file already sent you and I retaged it to APE v2 instead of ID3 v1
19:23:22Moosand doesn't work
19:23:38MoosI'll send you this, what's your mail?
19:23:47preglowep0ch: interesting results with the vorbis case
19:24:07ep0chwhy's that?
19:24:25ep0chyou're using adobe here?
19:24:29pregloweven more dropouts and entire segment of audio that's weird
19:24:33preglowbut i've got to go for a sec
19:24:37TiMiDlamed: so what about the lists ? (well if you are still here :p)
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19:24:44preglowbeer and tv time
19:24:46ep0chi know that at about 42 seconds in on the vorbis one it sounds odd
19:24:46preglowlater <-
19:25:07TiMiDdoes anyone mindsif I split the set_sound code into several smaller functions ?
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19:37:55lamedtimid: i'm away for a salsa dance :D but i think i will just stick it in list.c... talk to you later about it.
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20:30:38XavierGrhigh :d
20:30:44muesli_-low :D
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20:56:32SlasherHmm, do you think that adding a morse input support for "keyboard input editor" would be a good idea?
20:56:48SlasherI could probably do that next after i finish the crossfade thing
20:57:05ep0chnah do beep on shutdown instead :)
20:57:24muesli_-beep on shutdown? what is that good for?
20:57:38ep0chso you know the player has switched off
20:57:42ep0chwithout looking at it
20:58:01ep0chbeep on panic too would be good
20:58:27muesli_-this beep must even be louder than your current music. otherwise you wouldnt notice the shut down ^^
20:58:57ep0chwell the music would stop first, then you hear the beep
20:59:49muesli_-sorry...this sounds ridiculously
21:01:28muesli_-cos when music stops you anyway know that it has shutdown
21:01:51ep0chahh but it might hang during shutdown
21:02:13ep0chbetween stoping the music and actually completing shutdown
21:02:47ep0chso you think its shut down (because the music has stopped) when in fact its just hanging
21:03:12ep0chyou press stop but not long enough to shutdown
21:03:35ep0chyou think its shutting down cos the music has stopped, but its just waiting
21:04:32muesli_-well..i see your point but i think its like shooting on flies with a canon (as we say)
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21:14:38Slasherep0ch: yes, we should fix that the music should not stop before user releases the stop button or shutdown has been accepted
21:17:10XavierGrfinish the crossfade thing?
21:17:30muesli_-what was there to fix?
21:17:49SlasherXavierGr: i am still working on it, it will take a few more days
21:18:01XavierGrwhat about crossfade and gapless together? Or an option to do gapless only on changing tracks? (fw/rw)
21:18:09Slashercurrently it crashes and there is few problems with it
21:18:26XavierGrCrossfade is awesome but it ruins the music exprerience that a gapless album gives...
21:18:54SlasherXavierGr: yes, an option to enabled crossfade when shuffling sounds like a good idea
21:20:43XavierGrwell I kinda want to it only on track change (e.g not when the track is finished, only when you choose another track or got to the next (or previous) manually) but yeah that sounds good too.
21:21:02XavierGrBest would be to automatically know if the preceding track is a gapless one.
21:26:43linuxstb_XavierGr: There is no information in a track that says it is gapless.
21:27:03linuxstb_Under Rockbox, all tracks are gapless.
21:27:17linuxstb_(ignoring the MP3 problems)
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21:31:11XavierGrlinuxstb: Yes I kinda thought about that's why I said only on track change.
21:31:44XavierGrbut even if only on shuffle I am sure I could find a way to alter this for my purposes.
21:32:20XavierGrit is just that crossafed is so sweet only to see that it's annoying on consecutive tracks.
21:32:29XavierGrThat is the only reason I don't use it.
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21:33:30Slasherpreglow: interesting, the logf is definately broken.. Maybe there is a buffer misalign or something like that
21:34:27Slasherit even makes the whole unit to crash :D
21:36:44XavierGranyone that has an advice on printers? My cheap-ass HP 640c refuses to take power from the cable so I think it is time to buy a new one. (after 5 years)
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21:37:36XavierGrMy main problem with the current printer was that it couldn't feed the paper correctly and I hace to push the papers from the tray to feed correctly.
21:38:10random_manhello. i would like to tell you about a bug
21:40:37random_manwhen switching to inverse mode and then back to normal mode it just stays at inverse mode
21:40:58XavierGrmain unit, remote or both?
21:41:05XavierGrand which target?
21:41:09XavierGririver or archos?
21:41:26ep0chjust verified
21:41:29random_manumm just main unit. havnt tried remote. iriver. ive posted this on the forums as well
21:42:26random_manonly way i know how to change it is press and hold stop
21:46:11random_manchange it back to normal that is
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22:29:51muesli-is there a way to get a lower bass than 0 ? (some ear phones blast your head with even 0 away)
22:30:13XavierGrraise treble instead :p dont understand...i am just reading some ear phone reviews...its said that is even with 0 too much ;)
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23:00:55amiconnmuesli-: It's impossible to attenuate bass or treble on iriver, the hardware only allows settings >= 0 dB
23:01:01Slashermuesli-: weird.. to get same bass output what my HT amplifier gives with bass boost set to 0dB, i have to adjust iriver setting to something between 8 and 12 dB
23:01:35amiconnA software eq would allow it, but is not (yet) availabe
23:01:45muesli-they shall blast your head
23:03:05Bagderif they boost bass so much you need to artificially lower it, then how can that be quality in the end?
23:03:39muesli-and blast my purse too...
23:03:45muesli-Bagder dunno..
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23:04:26SlasherI am just wondering whatever my HT system gives a way too much bass boost or if iriver's 0dB is lower than it should
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23:08:06amiconnRotAtoR: Did you (or someone else) test the bejewelled plugin on an actual archos target before commit?
23:15:11muesli-RotAtoR guess ive almost used my last battery load for that damn game ;)
23:31:50linuxstb_What's going on with the Rockbox Wikipedia article?
23:32:32linuxstb_First it said the ipods had a hardware mp3 decoder, then it said they didn't, and now it says that the ipod nano has a hardware mp3 decoding chip (it doesn't).
23:33:22BagderI believe they confuse the "codec" chips
23:35:55Bagderlike how the uda1380 for example often is referred to as a "codec"
23:36:27linuxstb_But checking the latest revision (the top entry in page history), that whole sentence in brackets has been removed - so it looks like someone has fixed it already, but it hasn't been "published" (I don't know how wikipedia works)
23:36:28amiconnYes, because it is an audio codecx
23:36:57Bagderyes, and I think that makes people mix up codecs
23:37:27linuxstb_What exactly is a codec in that context? Is it the DAC, or something else?
23:40:06linuxstb_Seems the Wiki page has just been fixed before my eyes.
23:40:35Bagderbig brother is watching us! ;-)
23:40:39SlasherHmm, now the new crossfading code is working quite well
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23:49:28XavierGr any idea what to do with my parts of my old printer?
23:49:42muesli-somebody will buy it..
23:49:43XavierGrI took it copletely apart and I can fix it anymore
23:50:41XavierGrBuy it? This thing is obsolete and almost destroyed...
23:50:53muesli-doesnt matter
23:51:03muesli-somebody will buy it
23:51:06muesli-for sure
23:52:17XavierGrbut even then, the postal cost alone should be higher than the cost of the parts.
23:52:47muesli-doesnt matter
23:52:48muesli-somebody will buy it
23:53:12muesli-every day a fool will visite ebay ;)
23:53:19XavierGryou seem very confident about that.
23:53:37XavierGrdo you have previous experiance?
23:53:54muesli-at least people in germany buy every crap at ebay..zhey even pay more than a new item
23:55:39XavierGrebay....hmm seems a lot of hassle to me, even if someone will buy it, I think I will continue to take it apart and keep the parts for me. (I do this all the time, but I have never got to use any of the parts I keep :X)
23:56:03RotAtoRamiconn: no, it hasn't been tested on an actual archos (that i know of), but it was tested thuroughly on the sims
23:56:10RotAtoRI have no idea who has an actual archos
23:56:44muesli-XavierGr you messy ;-)
23:57:17XavierGryes indeed...
23:57:34XavierGryou should see my old motherboard!
23:58:22muesli-sold mine at ebay ;)

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