| 00:00:13 | amiconn | Two main problems can occur on target even for high-level code that can't be observed on the sim |
| 00:00:27 | amiconn | (1) It can simply be too slow |
| 00:01:22 | amiconn | (2) The code might access word or longword data at unaligned addresses. While this works both on x86 and coldfire (just a bit slower than aligned accesses), it will cause address exception on SH1 |
| 00:03:07 | RotAtoR | hmm, i'm not sure if I really understand (2), could you give an example where that could happen? |
| 00:06:09 | amiconn | If you have char * data; long value; (data is pointing somewhere) and then do value = *(long *)data; to read 4 bytes at once |
| 00:06:33 | amiconn | ...it will crash on the SH1 CPU in 3 of 4 cases |
| 00:07:32 | RotAtoR | ok |
| 00:07:37 | amiconn | It seems bejeweled doesn't have that problem, just the jewels are falling down a bit slow for my taste |
| 00:09:11 | RotAtoR | how slow? perhaps a time estimate for long it takes the screen to fill up on a new game? |
| 00:10:51 | amiconn | 6..7 seconds (measured with a stopwatch) |
| 00:11:24 | amiconn | I'll compare with the iriver version |
| 00:11:40 | RotAtoR | ok, thanks |
| 00:15:18 | amiconn | Hmm, speed seems to be roughly the same on iriver |
| 00:15:26 | amiconn | So it's not an SH1 speed problem |
| 00:15:33 | amiconn | Nice game, btw :) |
| 00:15:35 | RotAtoR | :) |
| 00:15:38 | RotAtoR | thanks |
| 00:16:21 | amiconn | I know that type of game for a long time (as part of Kyodai on windows) |
| 00:17:44 | RotAtoR | perhaps it seems slow on the archos because the jewels move less distance (smaller relative speed) |
| 00:17:46 | amiconn | Playability is quite good on archos (tested on recorder so far) |
| 00:18:29 | amiconn | How much room is left on the right side? |
| 00:18:34 | RotAtoR | good, I tried to make the key combinations as usable as possible after looking at pictures of the models |
| 00:19:14 | amiconn | If there's some room left, it might make sense to make the jewels a bit wider (9x8 or 10x8 instead of 8x8) |
| 00:19:22 | amiconn | The archos lcd pixels are non-square |
| 00:19:40 | RotAtoR | ahh, ok |
| 00:20:01 | RotAtoR | there's 48 pixel for the sidebar on the archos |
| 00:20:16 | RotAtoR | and it needs at least 32 |
| 00:20:29 | RotAtoR | which is the size on the iriver |
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| 00:21:10 | amiconn | Another thing invisible in the simulator (well, the windows sim can be compiled so that it shows the correct aspect, but the image looks a bit mashed then |
| 00:21:14 | RotAtoR | so there is enough room to extend the jewels to 10x8 |
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| 00:35:01 | * | amiconn should get to code something, but finds himself playing bejeweled instead |
| 00:35:32 | RotAtoR | hehe :) it's horribly addicting |
| 00:38:58 | RotAtoR | i started to play this afternoon while listening to an album and didn't realize how long i had been playing until the album finished :o |
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| 01:04:11 | DJDD | Hey anyone got any spare H1xx parts? |
| 01:05:39 | ehntoo | I've got a broken 20gb drive. =P |
| 01:05:51 | XavierGr | I've got a spare 40GB drive! |
| 01:05:52 | DJDD | heh, no i need anything BUT that |
| 01:06:14 | XavierGr | Wht did you break? |
| 01:06:47 | DJDD | I got desperate when i lost my charger and plugged it into a nokia one |
| 01:06:52 | DJDD | :-/ |
| 01:07:22 | DJDD | It still works, but i think i fried the regulator+battery+(maybe)some of the mainboard |
| 01:07:24 | XavierGr | I just replied in apost with the same subject, though the guy was patient enough to ask before he tries it |
| 01:07:36 | DJDD | linkage? |
| 01:07:44 | XavierGr | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1755.0 |
| 01:08:20 | DJDD | oh, well i KNEW it was a bad thing, but the change was rated lower than what was needed. So i figured what harm could it do :P |
| 01:08:40 | XavierGr | Current or voltage didn't killed your player |
| 01:08:49 | XavierGr | it was the invered polarity that did the job. |
| 01:09:09 | DJDD | yeah i know, went over this with Linus the other day |
| 01:09:25 | DJDD | It looks like i could salvage my iriver still though |
| 01:09:32 | DJDD | CPU seems fine |
| 01:12:32 | DJDD | Either way, i'm looking for a H1xx carcass and i'm willing to even pay |
| 01:12:59 | XavierGr | did you tried ebay? |
| 01:13:32 | DJDD | ahuh |
| 01:18:14 | amiconn | Overvoltage or reversed polarity will both kill the iriver |
| 01:19:14 | XavierGr | yes but the nokia chargers are 5.7V so it was the polarity that did this, right? |
| 01:19:34 | DJDD | yes |
| 01:20:17 | DJDD | Look, i don't give a shit exactly how it died, so quit ramming it into my head :P. I'm out to fix it now. |
| 01:20:43 | XavierGr | Unfortunately I think this is hard. |
| 01:21:15 | XavierGr | amiconn: Did Linus manage to save a unit with this sort of death? |
| 01:21:22 | DJDD | not if i find a HDD/LCD less iriver carcass |
| 01:22:56 | XavierGr | That's what I am talking about, it will be difficult to find it. |
| 01:23:14 | XavierGr | What will I do if something happens to my precioussssss? |
| 01:23:59 | WireDDD | buy a gmini400 and help us port software :) |
| 01:24:30 | XavierGr | I am not qualified to port a new target on Rockbox unfortunately.... |
| 01:24:40 | linuxstb__ | 34MHz FLAC test is currently 13h 25mins and still going... |
| 01:24:41 | DJDD | hell no, i won't give up on this iriver |
| 01:25:03 | DJDD | and if it really is dead then i'll just buy another one |
| 01:25:19 | amiconn | preglow: You obviously found the bug in your new flac code. I'm curious what it was... |
| 01:27:22 | XavierGr | DJDD: You should hurry then... |
| 01:27:32 | DJDD | why? |
| 01:27:43 | XavierGr | I don't know if these are easy to find these days. |
| 01:27:58 | DJDD | ebay has a fair few |
| 01:28:25 | DJDD | I was thinking of trying to send in for warranty. Do you think i could do that without any proof of purchace? |
| 01:28:48 | XavierGr | maybe... I am not sure, worths a try. |
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| 01:47:07 | XavierGr | is there a way in linux to redirect to both screen and file? |
| 01:47:57 | amiconn | Yes, with tee |
| 01:48:06 | XavierGr | tee? |
| 01:48:32 | amiconn | cat textfile | tee outfile |
| 01:48:52 | amiconn | That will both print textfile to stdout, and write it to outfile |
| 01:48:54 | XavierGr | oh so first redirect to file then print from file? |
| 01:49:01 | amiconn | No. |
| 01:49:29 | linuxstb | 34MHz FLAC test over - 13h 50m. I now need to do it again with preglow's latest optimisations.... |
| 01:49:34 | amiconn | 'tee' takes stdin data and simultaneously echoes it on stdout and writes it to file |
| 01:50:54 | XavierGr | amiconn: tee doesn't seems to be a normal command in cygwin... (I know I should have said that I am no dygwin) |
| 01:51:13 | XavierGr | linuxstb_: You are going to ruin your battery with all those tests... |
| 01:51:21 | amiconn | I'm also on cygwin... |
| 01:51:52 | amiconn | linuxstb: More than one hour gained... |
| 01:52:05 | XavierGr | and tee is working for you? strange |
| 01:52:13 | linuxstb | Xavier: Yes, but I can always replace it. |
| 01:52:16 | XavierGr | oh my bad I use devkit which is stripped down |
| 01:52:35 | amiconn | Hmm, I never used the devkit |
| 01:52:37 | XavierGr | linuxstb: I have already done that for me. :) |
| 01:52:52 | amiconn | I have a rather big cygwin installation, including x11 and some other things |
| 01:53:18 | XavierGr | so there is no way I can succed this with > and 1,2,3's eh? |
| 01:54:25 | amiconn | No, since you need to split the stream |
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| 01:54:49 | XavierGr | hmmm |
| 01:54:57 | amiconn | That's what tee does - it works like a T connector, "tapping" into the stream |
| 01:55:30 | linuxstb | XavierGr: If you want a copy of tee, just ask a friendly cygwin user to email it to you.... |
| 01:56:10 | XavierGr | linuxstb_: I think that FLAC will be by far the most optimized codec. Maybe it is the most optimized in the whole universe... |
| 01:56:11 | amiconn | I can send it |
| 01:56:19 | amiconn | Hope it is self-contained... |
| 01:56:33 | XavierGr | Ah please do. |
| 01:56:41 | XavierGr | xaviergr @ gmail.com |
| 01:56:53 | XavierGr | opps I shoudl write at |
| 01:56:55 | XavierGr | damn |
| 01:57:07 | XavierGr | oh nice |
| 01:57:33 | amiconn | Put this in your cygwin's 'bin' directory |
| 01:58:26 | XavierGr | yup now it works fine. Thanks |
| 01:59:07 | linuxstb | Xavier: The obvious drawback with FLAC is the filesize - so the disk spins up more often. I would be interested to see some recent battery tests for the other codecs - I wouldn't expect FLAC to come out top. |
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| 02:00:33 | XavierGr | I said optimized, meaning best for it's usage, or other FLAC codecs. |
| 02:01:20 | XavierGr | There is no point to compare FLAC with MP3 |
| 02:02:11 | linuxstb | I would still be interested in that comparison though. |
| 02:02:19 | XavierGr | of course |
| 02:02:40 | linuxstb | Any idea what iriver advertise the battery life of the H1x0 as? |
| 02:02:45 | XavierGr | but I mean wow 14 hours with a standard battery while the disk spins so much to fill the buffer. |
| 02:02:51 | XavierGr | 16 hours |
| 02:03:19 | XavierGr | But even with 128 kbps in irver firmware users reported 17 to 18 hours with moderate usage |
| 02:03:42 | XavierGr | On guy managed to touch 19 hours I think... |
| 02:04:03 | amiconn | Wasn't that with an upgraded battery? |
| 02:04:39 | XavierGr | hmm maybe you are right now that I think of it 19 seems too big... |
| 02:04:56 | XavierGr | The post was rather old and I don't remember. |
| 02:05:21 | XavierGr | But several users have gone beyond 16 hours |
| 02:05:36 | amiconn | linuxstb: I could do an mp3 test, but I'm afraid it would be a bit skewed |
| 02:05:51 | linuxstb | How do you mean, "skewed"? |
| 02:06:50 | amiconn | My hd isn't 100% okay. It got somewhat loud from a floor impact. Plus I have a half-way optimised memcpy() |
| 02:07:17 | linuxstb | You could always just download a daily build. |
| 02:07:37 | XavierGr | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=10242&highlight=battery+test |
| 02:07:44 | amiconn | Yes of course. Now if that would fix my hd ... ;) |
| 02:07:46 | linuxstb | But the HD sounds like a problem. |
| 02:07:50 | XavierGr | some benchmarks for the H300 which has the same battery |
| 02:08:02 | linuxstb | But a colour LCD... |
| 02:08:07 | XavierGr | yes |
| 02:08:22 | XavierGr | so you should add at least a little more on that |
| 02:09:23 | linuxstb | So the best was 14h 45m - for 192kbps MP3. |
| 02:10:08 | XavierGr | yes |
| 02:10:20 | XavierGr | I will search for the h100 too |
| 02:11:48 | amiconn | RotAtoR: bejeweled works just fine on Ondio as well |
| 02:12:22 | linuxstb | amiconn: Have you noticed if memcpy is used a lot in the codecs? |
| 02:22:19 | XavierGr | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=20198&highlight=battery+test |
| 02:22:29 | XavierGr | wow I cant really believe that post! |
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| 02:30:01 | XavierGr | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=6504&highlight=battery+test |
| 02:30:49 | linuxstb | It looks like Rockbox has 20 hours of playback to aim for. |
| 02:31:05 | XavierGr | this one reports 20 hours!!! I can't really be sure of the credibility of it. The test is done on a single album of 128kbps mp3s and normal battery |
| 02:31:17 | linuxstb | Even if those tests are wrong - 20 hours seems a nice target for us to aim for. |
| 02:31:25 | XavierGr | Of course! |
| 02:31:51 | XavierGr | Everything more than 17 hours for 128kbps mp3s is fantastic. |
| 02:32:05 | linuxstb | I don't think the fact that it is a single album makes any difference. Unless the iriver firmware loads the entire album into memory and never accesses the disk again. |
| 02:32:27 | XavierGr | well I have heard that iriver has a very stupid way of using the buffer. |
| 02:32:33 | XavierGr | It buffers at most 3 songs |
| 02:32:52 | XavierGr | so if you play 3 small songs it will beffer them and stop. |
| 02:33:17 | linuxstb | So when does it refill the buffer? After it's played those three tracks? |
| 02:33:19 | XavierGr | But I am not sure on this ask Linus, I think he was the one that said this. |
| 02:33:59 | XavierGr | Ehmm I am not quite sure, the disk spins up some time before the playback of the next track. |
| 02:34:42 | XavierGr | but maybe I say crazy things, ask Linus to be sure. |
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| 02:46:57 | lamed | everyone asleep? |
| 02:47:07 | XavierGr | no |
| 02:51:44 | XavierGr | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=1564&highlight=battery+test |
| 02:51:53 | XavierGr | another that claims 18:30 hours |
| 02:52:21 | XavierGr | linuxstb: Is there a standard procedure that you make your benchmarks? |
| 02:52:24 | lamed | xaviergr: if i cvs diff, does it auto retrive the correct revision? |
| 02:53:19 | XavierGr | cvs diff, I think, creates a patch file (add a > file) that shows differences with the cvs on your folder. |
| 02:53:24 | linuxstb | XavierGr: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverRuntime |
| 02:54:20 | XavierGr | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=624&highlight=battery+test |
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| 02:54:39 | XavierGr | battery tests for IONITY Batteries at 1700mA~ |
| 02:55:46 | XavierGr | linuxstb: so you are standing in front of it and wait to shut off? |
| 02:56:10 | XavierGr | why not reset the timer and check it after it shuts down? |
| 02:56:18 | linuxstb | Almost. I have the volume quite loud (80%), so I can hear it on my desk. |
| 02:56:38 | lamed | xaviergr: yes, question was, if someone makes a change on the cvs, will it be outputed on my patchfile, or will cvs know to use the correct revision. i think the latter happends. |
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| 02:56:57 | linuxstb | It doesn't have enough power to write anything to disk when it shuts down - it just dies. |
| 02:57:21 | XavierGr | but the timer isn't associated with the disk |
| 02:57:38 | XavierGr | the timer always counts |
| 02:58:04 | linuxstb | What timer are you talking about? |
| 02:58:20 | XavierGr | the internal timer of rockbox in info |
| 02:58:37 | linuxstb | What happens to the timer when you shut the player down? |
| 02:58:53 | XavierGr | debug->view runtime |
| 02:59:46 | XavierGr | hmm you are right |
| 02:59:54 | amiconn | The runtime timers are part of the settings structure, stored on disk |
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| 03:00:09 | XavierGr | I just reset and it was some seconds backward |
| 03:00:11 | linuxstb | How often are the runtime timers written to disk? |
| 03:00:18 | XavierGr | I don't know |
| 03:00:21 | XavierGr | amiconn? |
| 03:00:37 | amiconn | They're written every now and then, if a disk spinup is caused by other operations, or at shutdown |
| 03:00:57 | XavierGr | so it will updated on every buffer fill. |
| 03:01:17 | XavierGr | so it will check the last right success of the disk |
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| 03:04:50 | XavierGr | yup I just did a quick test and the timer was written on the settings when the buffer finished the buffer proccess |
| 03:05:26 | linuxstb | But is it written every time? I can't find any code that does that. |
| 03:09:26 | amiconn | No, the update is done by settings_save() |
| 03:09:44 | XavierGr | so when this is called? |
| 03:09:57 | amiconn | A subsequent disk access writes it to disk |
| 03:09:58 | XavierGr | every time the disk spins up? |
| 03:10:36 | XavierGr | so it IS safe to advice the timer right? |
| 03:12:45 | amiconn | no, it's not |
| 03:13:04 | XavierGr | you said a subsequent |
| 03:13:14 | XavierGr | like every time right? |
| 03:13:31 | amiconn | settings_save() updates the timer values in global_settings, and a subsequent disk updates writes it to disk |
| 03:14:08 | amiconn | So a call to settings_save() is required, and that doesn't happen too often... |
| 03:14:24 | linuxstb | That's what I thought. |
| 03:14:32 | XavierGr | how often? |
| 03:14:49 | XavierGr | isn't it a fixed interval or action? |
| 03:14:50 | amiconn | Stopping/pausing playback does, and so does changing the settings (e.g. volume) |
| 03:15:37 | XavierGr | hd activity? |
| 03:16:14 | XavierGr | volume? then the disk would spin up to save volume... |
| 03:16:20 | amiconn | Nope |
| 03:16:49 | amiconn | Changing volume causes settings_save() to be called. Then the next spinup writes the change to disk |
| 03:17:21 | XavierGr | so the problem is that the timer never calls settings_save? |
| 03:17:25 | linuxstb | But it's only a problem because Rockbox doesn't do a clean shutdown at the moment on the iriver. |
| 03:17:36 | amiconn | Hmm? |
| 03:17:41 | XavierGr | we could make a test build to call settings_save |
| 03:17:52 | linuxstb | amiconn: I mean when the battery runs out. |
| 03:17:57 | XavierGr | every 1 minute and then the next buffer will write it |
| 03:18:37 | amiconn | linuxstb: Ah. yes. I think that's impossible after all |
| 03:18:50 | XavierGr | wait |
| 03:19:08 | XavierGr | what if settings_save is called within the timer code? |
| 03:19:24 | XavierGr | then it should be safe to see the last suddessfull write of the disk |
| 03:19:35 | amiconn | Rockbox has no way to know beforehand whether the battery will have enough juice for another disk spinup |
| 03:19:49 | XavierGr | but the last disk up will right the time |
| 03:19:55 | XavierGr | knowing the last is still good |
| 03:20:09 | XavierGr | 128kbps mp3 will buffer 30 minutes the most. |
| 03:20:44 | XavierGr | Am I missing something? |
| 03:23:26 | linuxstb | I think we would want to avoid calling save_settings too often. If we called it from a timer, we might as well just automatically write the settings every time we spin the disk up. |
| 03:23:57 | XavierGr | I am talking about a test build for benchmarks |
| 03:24:29 | XavierGr | but yeah you are right |
| 03:24:43 | XavierGr | we could do it only on disk access |
| 03:24:48 | linuxstb | In which case, the easiest solution would probably be to add a call to save_settings somewhere in the playback code. |
| 03:25:04 | XavierGr | is it easy to modify? |
| 03:25:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | You could save on track changes? |
| 03:25:09 | XavierGr | yeah |
| 03:25:14 | XavierGr | that's more like it. |
| 03:25:45 | linuxstb | That may already happen - for the resume info. |
| 03:25:48 | XavierGr | and be sure that no audio books or big tracks are selected for playback |
| 03:26:06 | XavierGr | then it is safe by default |
| 03:26:45 | linuxstb | For my next test, I'll see how the runtime timer compares to my own timekeeping. |
| 03:27:03 | XavierGr | I am willing to take a test for 128kbps vol 20 with a 1900mAh battery |
| 03:27:19 | XavierGr | Though I will have to rip an album at 128 first |
| 03:28:01 | XavierGr | what about saving rockbox battery remaining time? |
| 03:28:13 | XavierGr | to be able to make a more accurate battery graphs? |
| 03:28:21 | XavierGr | r/a |
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| 03:54:58 | XavierGr | hmm FreeBSD v6 is out! |
| 03:55:53 | XavierGr | Do you think that this distro is good for a user that has limited knowledge on the subject? |
| 03:58:00 | XavierGr | hmm it seems that FreeBSD is not considered a Linux Distro... I am ignorant. |
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| 04:00:26 | TiMiD | lol |
| 04:00:35 | TiMiD | XavierGr: you made a fortune |
| 04:00:42 | XavierGr | hey don't laugh at me... :0 |
| 04:00:52 | XavierGr | I meant :) |
| 04:00:52 | TiMiD | fortuen \o/ |
| 04:01:17 | XavierGr | do you have any good recomendation fo free linux distros? |
| 04:01:28 | TiMiD | I use gentoo |
| 04:01:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | A lot of people like Ubuntu when they're fairly new, I think. |
| 04:01:39 | TiMiD | I tested several distros |
| 04:01:59 | TiMiD | and that the only one that was good in all points |
| 04:02:04 | TiMiD | I means |
| 04:02:25 | TiMiD | standard configuration files |
| 04:02:38 | TiMiD | a kick ass package manager |
| 04:02:48 | TiMiD | a lot of available packages |
| 04:02:58 | TiMiD | well maintained |
| 04:03:31 | TiMiD | the only drawbacks is that it takes a long time to install it |
| 04:03:57 | XavierGr | pitty, I just found a good way to lock my windows settings (make them permanent) without the need of a ghost image. |
| 04:04:28 | XavierGr | (pitty as to I think that soon I must convert to a different OS) |
| 04:05:05 | TiMiD | you will still need windows for games |
| 04:05:28 | XavierGr | well I think a dual boot will do the job, not that I play games a lot... |
| 04:05:58 | TiMiD | for everything else I find linux more ergonomic to use |
| 04:06:32 | TiMiD | you can try ubuntu |
| 04:06:36 | TiMiD | but |
| 04:06:48 | TiMiD | if you want to learn things try gentoo |
| 04:06:57 | XavierGr | are all these free? |
| 04:07:07 | TiMiD | their documentation and install guide is the best I've ever seeen |
| 04:07:12 | TiMiD | yes |
| 04:07:14 | TiMiD | GPL |
| 04:07:22 | XavierGr | not that I paid anything to Bill for his crappy OS |
| 04:09:25 | TiMiD | choosing a distrib depends of what you want to do with it |
| 04:09:33 | TiMiD | ubuntu works well |
| 04:09:46 | TiMiD | until you want to change things |
| 04:09:50 | ashridah | ubuntu kept shooting me in the foot. admittedly i was using kubuntu, not ubuntu tho |
| 04:10:02 | ashridah | and i have a particular, debianistic style |
| 04:10:27 | XavierGr | wow do they have so many differences? |
| 04:10:38 | ashridah | XavierGr: not really, just different ways of doing some things |
| 04:10:40 | TiMiD | I added a repository to the kubuntu on my sister's computer |
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| 04:10:56 | TiMiD | apt-get doesn't work anymore |
| 04:10:56 | preglow | amiconn: to be quite earnest, i have absolutely no idea what the bug was, it just suddenly worked. perhaps it was the small thing you pointed out in the order3 rotuine? |
| 04:10:57 | ashridah | @#$%@#$% xchat |
| 04:10:59 | TiMiD | it segfaults |
| 04:11:01 | preglow | anywho, high time to go to sleep |
| 04:11:15 | ashridah | XavierGr: i ran mostly into administrivia problems, and process problems more than configuration issues. |
| 04:11:18 | XavierGr | night preglow |
| 04:11:26 | TiMiD | good night |
| 04:11:27 | preglow | amiconn: strange thing if it was that was that no of my non -8 flac files worked just fine |
| 04:11:29 | ashridah | like, it'd magically stop me from configuring stuff using kde's configuration stuff all the time |
| 04:11:32 | preglow | but anywho |
| 04:11:33 | preglow | good night |
| 04:11:55 | XavierGr | administration you mean on a network? |
| 04:12:03 | XavierGr | or just your PC? |
| 04:12:11 | ashridah | just the one pc. |
| 04:13:12 | TiMiD | debian .... I never managed to get one that worked well |
| 04:13:27 | TiMiD | everytime there was things crashing |
| 04:13:50 | TiMiD | or packages that I couldn't install because the mirror was dead |
| 04:14:09 | * | ashridah shrugs |
| 04:14:12 | ashridah | it all works for me |
| 04:14:14 | XavierGr | when you say packages you mean? |
| 04:14:23 | XavierGr | programs? |
| 04:14:33 | ashridah | admittedly i've been a debian user for the last 5 years or something :) |
| 04:14:48 | TiMiD | I've been for 2 month |
| 04:14:56 | ashridah | going out to joe-random-mirror is usually a recipe for disaster |
| 04:15:15 | ashridah | but the main debian mirrors have a *lot* of stuff, so i generally don't have much extra other than someplace to get mplayer |
| 04:15:20 | TiMiD | one thing that I don't like is that you have to hunt for mirror if you want an app that isn't in the official one |
| 04:15:45 | TiMiD | but it's the same with a lot of distribs I've seen |
| 04:16:56 | TiMiD | also the starting up system is very slow and ...well I don't like system V init style, hard to maintain with all the symlinks |
| 04:16:56 | ashridah | i rarely find anything that's not already part of debian, to be honest |
| 04:17:25 | ashridah | like i say, the only extra i have is mplayer, from one particular repository. |
| 04:17:28 | TiMiD | I don't remember what was the app I couldn't find |
| 04:17:37 | TiMiD | mplayer win32 codecs |
| 04:17:45 | TiMiD | but there was another one |
| 04:18:24 | ashridah | yeah, that's because those aren't free enough to put in debian's mirrors. There's a third party one i've used for the last few years for that. comes up pretty quickly on www.apt-get.org iirc |
| 04:20:41 | TiMiD | well everyone uses what is the best for him |
| 04:20:53 | TiMiD | btw, did you tried gentoo ? |
| 04:21:14 | ashridah | yes |
| 04:21:14 | ashridah | and i hated it. |
| 04:21:19 | TiMiD | ha :) |
| 04:21:31 | TiMiD | you don't like to compile ? |
| 04:21:46 | XavierGr | I must I got confused who am I going to believe? |
| 04:21:54 | ashridah | i really REALLY have better things to do than compile generic shit, particularly when there's no actual evidence of any advantage, either by "speed" or "lack of shit i don't use" |
| 04:21:57 | TiMiD | XavierGr: install a ubuntu |
| 04:22:04 | ashridah | XavierGr: installer ubuntu |
| 04:22:14 | ashridah | s/install/installer/ |
| 04:22:17 | XavierGr | haha TiMiD: I thought you was on Gentoo... |
| 04:22:21 | TiMiD | yes |
| 04:22:22 | ashridah | my gripes with ubuntu are simply "it's not debian" :) |
| 04:22:23 | TiMiD | I am |
| 04:22:44 | XavierGr | then why ububbtu? |
| 04:22:48 | XavierGr | because it is easy? |
| 04:22:53 | TiMiD | but ubuntu is simpler, even if you won't learn a lot |
| 04:23:15 | TiMiD | gentoo is easy to maintain |
| 04:23:18 | ashridah | it's reasonably well put together. kubuntu's a little buggy in my considered opinion, but ubuntu's fairly decent last i checked. |
| 04:23:23 | TiMiD | and to use |
| 04:23:25 | XavierGr | I will have to search a bit for it because I am sure that I want to learn new things |
| 04:23:41 | TiMiD | but the only drawback is that packages are source only |
| 04:23:44 | ashridah | there's plenty of room to learn in either system. |
| 04:23:54 | TiMiD | so that your computer compiles everything |
| 04:24:11 | XavierGr | I have used only pupppy linux DSL and Knoppix before. |
| 04:24:12 | TiMiD | it takes some time |
| 04:24:21 | XavierGr | But I can say that I was trouble on some things. |
| 04:24:27 | TiMiD | for me the best linux distrib would be a binary gentoo |
| 04:25:32 | XavierGr | puppy linux served me well on some backup ocassions |
| 04:25:51 | TiMiD | I never tried this one |
| 04:26:05 | XavierGr | it is fun. |
| 04:26:17 | XavierGr | a whole OS on 60MB :) |
| 04:26:47 | TiMiD | I tried mandrake (a lot), redhat, fedora, ubuntu, debian, slackware (a lot) and the gentoo |
| 04:27:09 | XavierGr | which is the most popular? |
| 04:27:22 | TiMiD | also some other distribs but not enought to give me my opinion |
| 04:27:29 | TiMiD | if you want to learn things |
| 04:28:07 | TiMiD | I would recommand you gentoo (very good doc and tutorials) |
| 04:28:09 | TiMiD | else |
| 04:28:16 | TiMiD | it depends of what you want to do |
| 04:28:25 | TiMiD | slackware is very simple |
| 04:28:45 | TiMiD | debian is ... ashridah will tell you more about this one |
| 04:29:28 | * | ashridah is kinda busy, and still recommends ubuntu, and that you ignore TiMiD, he's a gentoo user |
| 04:29:30 | ashridah | :) |
| 04:29:49 | XavierGr | I guess that all linux programs run on all distros right? |
| 04:29:53 | ashridah | realistically, try everything you can get your hands on |
| 04:30:05 | ashridah | the experience will give you a better idea about what suits you |
| 04:30:30 | * | TiMiD makes ashridah eats the 7 debian CDs |
| 04:30:47 | XavierGr | 7 cds!!!?? wtf! |
| 04:30:58 | TiMiD | it's not windows |
| 04:31:03 | TiMiD | you have a lot of programs :) |
| 04:31:06 | TiMiD | anyway |
| 04:31:16 | TiMiD | you can also dl a 150b iso |
| 04:31:20 | TiMiD | and do a net install |
| 04:31:52 | TiMiD | or dl the 15mb stage1 gentoo bootstrap and install the best distro ever made |
| 04:31:57 | TiMiD | :) |
| 04:32:39 | ashridah | XavierGr: you don't really need more than the first one, and can get away with just a 150mb netinst cd if you've got a good network connection |
| 04:32:51 | ashridah | but yes, debian include just about every legally DFSG free program under the sun |
| 04:33:09 | XavierGr | My connection sucks. But my question remains. |
| 04:33:13 | ashridah | and will ship it, where they can. it's two DVDs for the entire set, plus more for source. easier to do a net install if you can |
| 04:33:26 | ashridah | XavierGr: ubuntu provides a nice starting point. |
| 04:33:32 | TiMiD | XavierGr: ashridah just install a ubuntu |
| 04:33:45 | XavierGr | If a program is retad for Linux usage, will it run on all distros? |
| 04:33:57 | XavierGr | retad=rated |
| 04:34:02 | TiMiD | and then you will try other ones |
| 04:34:14 | ashridah | XavierGr: typically yes. packaging can be a problem. rpm's sometimes don't work on non-rpm or non-specific-distro systems, for instance |
| 04:34:23 | TiMiD | XavierGr: a binary cannot work on all distros |
| 04:34:35 | TiMiD | but in most cases it works |
| 04:34:36 | ashridah | TiMiD: within reason, yes it can. |
| 04:35:07 | ashridah | but it depends what you're talking about. most games are designed to run on everything, for instance. |
| 04:35:33 | * | ashridah goes back to marking system administration assignments |
| 04:36:02 | XavierGr | tvelocity my collegemate is trying to persuade me to convert to linux... now what distro was it? |
| 04:36:18 | TiMiD | some programs won't work because some ressources are not located in the place it searches them for |
| 04:36:37 | XavierGr | hmm he is not logged in at the moment |
| 04:36:42 | | Quit Paul_The_Nerd ("Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.7/20050915]") |
| 04:37:10 | TiMiD | I don't have an example, but I ran into this kind of problems when I was running binaruy distribs |
| 04:37:56 | TiMiD | but now with my gentoo everything is fine gentoo gentoo gentoo |
| 04:38:21 | | Nick paugh is now known as AliasCoffee (n=kickback@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:3e03:6822) |
| 04:39:14 | XavierGr | TiMiD: Say what happened with the Japan movement plan? |
| 04:39:33 | TiMiD | hehehehehee |
| 04:39:40 | TiMiD | I found a company :) |
| 04:39:45 | TiMiD | I'm accepted :D |
| 04:39:51 | TiMiD | since yesterday \o/ |
| 04:40:00 | XavierGr | are you serious? You are going to Japan? |
| 04:40:03 | * | TiMiD is happy |
| 04:40:10 | TiMiD | yes seriously |
| 04:40:13 | XavierGr | When? |
| 04:40:16 | XavierGr | OMG! |
| 04:41:07 | TiMiD | at the beginning of february |
| 04:41:28 | XavierGr | which company? |
| 04:41:37 | TiMiD | JST |
| 04:41:55 | TiMiD | their website is ugly bu it's a multinational company |
| 04:42:19 | TiMiD | they build microconnectors for portable devices |
| 04:42:45 | TiMiD | I will work in Nagoya |
| 04:42:53 | XavierGr | and will you do there? |
| 04:43:10 | TiMiD | http://maps.google.com/maps?q=nagoya&ll=35.047144,136.904411&spn=0.469946,1.628174&t=k&hl=f |
| 04:43:51 | TiMiD | I will manage the cnstruction of an internet selling plateform |
| 04:43:58 | TiMiD | for their products |
| 04:44:11 | TiMiD | the subject is not very accurate |
| 04:44:17 | TiMiD | but it's well paid |
| 04:44:29 | TiMiD | 200000 yen |
| 04:44:34 | TiMiD | per month |
| 04:44:36 | XavierGr | per month? |
| 04:44:38 | XavierGr | ok |
| 04:44:40 | XavierGr | lets see |
| 04:44:46 | TiMiD | 1700euros |
| 04:44:59 | TiMiD | a training period is 600 euros in france ... |
| 04:45:13 | XavierGr | 1400 you mean |
| 04:45:21 | TiMiD | I also have the plane and the housepaid by the company :) |
| 04:45:56 | XavierGr | OMG!!!!!!!! 1700 (or 1400) with the expenses already paid???? |
| 04:46:25 | XavierGr | SWET JESUS! I want to go to Japan. |
| 04:46:33 | XavierGr | ^^sweet |
| 04:46:33 | TiMiD | erm |
| 04:46:36 | XavierGr | gah |
| 04:46:38 | TiMiD | 1400 |
| 04:47:11 | TiMiD | I thought it was more than that :( I must have choosed the wrong devise |
| 04:47:35 | XavierGr | You think that this is a low salary? |
| 04:47:58 | TiMiD | for a student in internship it's a very highsalary |
| 04:48:18 | TiMiD | but for anengineer it's low |
| 04:49:09 | TiMiD | after that, it depends of the housing I get over there |
| 04:49:20 | XavierGr | How many hours per day? 8 |
| 04:49:20 | | Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@58.77.82.158) |
| 04:49:23 | TiMiD | plane is 700 euros |
| 04:49:26 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 04:49:30 | TiMiD | 7hours per day |
| 04:49:34 | TiMiD | hi Jungti1234 |
| 04:49:40 | Jungti1234 | ^^ |
| 04:50:00 | XavierGr | I am very happy (and envious) for you. :D |
| 04:50:13 | TiMiD | hehe :) |
| 04:50:31 | TiMiD | you can do it too |
| 04:50:40 | TiMiD | in which class are you ? |
| 04:50:40 | Jungti1234 | What is '%s'? |
| 04:51:27 | TiMiD | th percentage of strings the rockbox devs wear under their trousers I think |
| 04:53:02 | TiMiD | yaa green build |
| 04:53:06 | TiMiD | lucky XD |
| 04:53:18 | XavierGr | Well I will graduate the college of Computer Science in a couple of years, plus I have graduated in Classical guitar and some music higher theory subjects (but it seems I can't couple both of them) |
| 04:53:35 | TiMiD | college |
| 04:53:49 | TiMiD | then you can enter an engineer school after that |
| 04:54:01 | TiMiD | just learn japaneseand go over there |
| 04:54:04 | TiMiD | but |
| 04:54:09 | XavierGr | I must learn Japanese too. |
| 04:54:25 | TiMiD | if you learn japanese just because you like mangas you will be disappointed |
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| 04:54:36 | XavierGr | haha |
| 04:55:04 | XavierGr | Well I am really dissapointed in employment area in Greece. |
| 04:55:04 | TiMiD | there were a lot of mangas manics in first japanese year |
| 04:55:20 | TiMiD | then second year not a lot (they all left) |
| 04:55:21 | TiMiD | hah |
| 04:55:34 | TiMiD | that's money that makes you want to go over there XD |
| 04:55:41 | TiMiD | just go to united states |
| 04:55:49 | XavierGr | I don't like US. |
| 04:55:52 | TiMiD | it's as well paid |
| 04:55:59 | TiMiD | and they speak english |
| 04:56:12 | TiMiD | why ? |
| 04:56:29 | XavierGr | but, wow 1400 euros and they pay you plus your home expences? |
| 04:56:37 | TiMiD | ype |
| 04:56:40 | TiMiD | yep |
| 04:56:44 | ashridah | heh. i imagine XavierGr has a distinct dislike for being stabbed, shot or beaten |
| 04:56:45 | ashridah | :) |
| 04:57:00 | TiMiD | that's a good reason :) |
| 04:57:10 | XavierGr | I worked as a high school teacher (full time job) and I was earning 1000 euros per month |
| 04:57:13 | TiMiD | but it's not like that everywhere in the US |
| 04:57:37 | Jungti1234 | wow |
| 04:58:50 | Jungti1234 | 1,250,000 wons |
| 04:59:35 | TiMiD | I just finished the remote support for sound |
| 04:59:38 | XavierGr | wow what? |
| 04:59:40 | TiMiD | can anyone test ? |
| 04:59:52 | TiMiD | it's in cvs and it's built |
| 04:59:53 | ashridah | the remote sound menu you mean? |
| 04:59:59 | TiMiD | yes |
| 05:00 |
| 05:00:00 | Jungti1234 | It is big money to me who is a student. |
| 05:00:22 | TiMiD | I tested on sim and on the unit but ... |
| 05:00:23 | XavierGr | yes but this is also meant to be the salary of a normal person |
| 05:00:52 | XavierGr | This sort of money was much for me too, but say this to a man with a family |
| 05:00:56 | Jungti1234 | Korean older persons into the money bloodthirstiness hard. |
| 05:01:21 | Jungti1234 | If buy banally in the South Korea, 3 million wons must earn. |
| 05:01:38 | Jungti1234 | Ah, it is mistake of translation. |
| 05:01:58 | ashridah | TiMiD: is this via pressing navi while the unit is playing? |
| 05:02:02 | TiMiD | hard to understand your first sentence |
| 05:02:05 | Jungti1234 | Ah, it is mistake of translation. |
| 05:02:14 | Jungti1234 | Must earn about 3 million wons to live banally. |
| 05:02:18 | XavierGr | TiMiD: Lucky you, you will be near the see (and rivers) and there will be a hanged bridge as well. |
| 05:02:30 | XavierGr | It seems a big city. Population? |
| 05:02:40 | XavierGr | ^^see=sea |
| 05:02:47 | TiMiD | ashridah: it's at the same place as it was before |
| 05:03:05 | Jungti1234 | Live in Seoul. |
| 05:03:09 | TiMiD | XavierGr: yes, it's near the see, but you won't bath there since it seems very polluted |
| 05:03:27 | TiMiD | nagoya is the 4th biggest cuty of japan |
| 05:03:35 | TiMiD | around 2.5M people over there |
| 05:03:36 | XavierGr | woa! |
| 05:03:46 | Jungti1234 | oh |
| 05:03:54 | TiMiD | not vuty, city :) |
| 05:03:58 | TiMiD | grr |
| 05:04:04 | TiMiD | I can't type properly |
| 05:04:45 | TiMiD | but the city is not very beautiful |
| 05:04:48 | ashridah | TiMiD: which button on the remote triggers the f1 menu from the WPS ? |
| 05:04:54 | TiMiD | it was completely destroyed during the war |
| 05:04:59 | Jungti1234 | Japan is convenient to live. |
| 05:05:12 | TiMiD | ashridah: you mean on the archos ... |
| 05:05:27 | TiMiD | I don't have an archos so I don't changed keys assignment |
| 05:05:37 | TiMiD | I work on iriver |
| 05:05:52 | TiMiD | Jungti1234: why ? |
| 05:06:29 | Jungti1234 | As prices of commodities are high, because it earns much. |
| 05:07:10 | ashridah | TiMiD: no, i mean on iriver |
| 05:07:17 | XavierGr | hmm TiMiD it seems you are right google satelite shoes a vast haevy industry installments... |
| 05:07:19 | ashridah | i quite possibly have the wrong name for the menu |
| 05:07:23 | TiMiD | with 200k yen per month if you only have the food and the train to pay it's far enought :) |
| 05:07:43 | TiMiD | ashridah: just go into the menus |
| 05:07:47 | ashridah | but there's two menus, the full one accessible via a-b, and the one available by pressing 'navi' on the main unit while in the WPS screen |
| 05:08:01 | TiMiD | a-b |
| 05:08:01 | ashridah | i'm trying to work out how to trigger the second, since 'navi/menu' on the remote doesn't do it |
| 05:08:13 | TiMiD | or the button under the remote |
| 05:08:18 | TiMiD | not navu/menu |
| 05:08:22 | ashridah | i know that |
| 05:08:22 | TiMiD | the one under |
| 05:08:24 | Jungti1234 | with 200k yen per month if you only have the food and the train to pay it's far enought |
| 05:08:27 | XavierGr | You will have to make quite a distance to find a clean sea spot to swim there. |
| 05:08:29 | Jungti1234 | sorry |
| 05:08:30 | Jungti1234 | Price of the South Korea and Japan is difference of about decuple. |
| 05:08:30 | ashridah | my question is "what triggers the reduced menu from the remote" |
| 05:08:48 | TiMiD | ha ok :) |
| 05:09:10 | TiMiD | I do'nt know that, it's in wps code and I didn't looked at it |
| 05:09:18 | ashridah | the menu itself works from the remote, but you need to turn it on by pressing 'navi' on the main unit |
| 05:09:19 | XavierGr | Sea is almost granted for me that I live in an island in Greece. |
| 05:09:22 | ashridah | ah |
| 05:10:58 | TiMiD | XavierGr: it must be nice |
| 05:11:28 | TiMiD | I live in france, 200km from the sea :( |
| 05:11:39 | Jungti1234 | haha.. |
| 05:12:30 | Jungti1234 | Do you like the sea? |
| 05:12:30 | XavierGr | http://maps.google.com/maps?q=athens&ll=35.216454,24.881287&spn=0.950735,2.627518&t=k&hl=en |
| 05:12:41 | XavierGr | here is where I live, zoom out to see. |
| 05:12:49 | XavierGr | I am in the middle of the island |
| 05:12:53 | TiMiD | Ilove sea :) |
| 05:13:03 | ashridah | TiMiD: the sound menu works okay here. |
| 05:13:24 | Jungti1234 | oh.. |
| 05:13:27 | TiMiD | XavierGr: crete ? |
| 05:13:32 | XavierGr | yeah :) |
| 05:13:37 | TiMiD | :) |
| 05:13:43 | XavierGr | where are you? |
| 05:14:15 | TiMiD | I have 2places |
| 05:14:47 | Jungti1234 | The South Korea is the country that is very small. |
| 05:15:15 | TiMiD | my parent's home : http://maps.google.com/maps?q=athens&ll=35.216454,24.881287&spn=0.950735,2.627518&t=k&hl=en (the grey roofs in the center) |
| 05:15:48 | XavierGr | hmm you must click to link the page |
| 05:15:59 | XavierGr | TiMiD: you redirected me again to crete. |
| 05:16:07 | TiMiD | ouch |
| 05:16:27 | XavierGr | click "Link to this page" |
| 05:16:57 | TiMiD | http://maps.google.com/maps?q=paris&ll=48.950331,2.242627&spn=0.002751,0.012720&t=k&hl=en |
| 05:17:06 | TiMiD | I know, I forgot to do it |
| 05:17:51 | Jungti1234 | Live in good place all. |
| 05:21:13 | TiMiD | http://maps.google.com/maps?q=paris&ll=49.414547,2.830267&spn=0.021803,0.101761&t=k&hl=en << here I do my studies |
| 05:21:28 | TiMiD | (compiegne, the asshole of france) |
| 05:21:36 | TiMiD | Jungti1234: where do you live ? |
| 05:23:14 | Jungti1234 | I live in Seoul in the South Korea. |
| 05:24:34 | Jungti1234 | http://maps.google.com/maps?q=seoul&t=k&hl=en |
| 05:25:30 | TiMiD | yes I'm on it |
| 05:25:35 | TiMiD | what's wrong over there ? |
| 05:26:10 | Jungti1234 | Complicated. |
| 05:26:56 | Jungti1234 | Seoul is very small city. |
| 05:27:00 | Jungti1234 | However, there are much populations. |
| 05:27:10 | XavierGr | population? |
| 05:27:33 | Jungti1234 | ok |
| 05:27:57 | TiMiD | you can't go to another city ? |
| 05:28:27 | Jungti1234 | XavierGr: Do you live how many people? |
| 05:28:46 | Jungti1234 | Live with parents. |
| 05:29:08 | Jungti1234 | Is hard to live in other city. |
| 05:29:41 | XavierGr | Heraklion, which is my city has nearly 170000 citizens |
| 05:29:59 | XavierGr | and all of crete is at around 500.000 citizens |
| 05:30:13 | XavierGr | maybe less |
| 05:30:29 | XavierGr | athens has I think 5.000.000 people |
| 05:30:48 | XavierGr | (the whole area with all its sub prefectures) |
| 05:31:05 | Jungti1234 | 10 million citizenses live in Seoul. |
| 05:31:11 | XavierGr | Crete is a very low density populated. |
| 05:31:35 | XavierGr | OMG!!! Greece has 12-13 million people! |
| 05:31:55 | XavierGr | maybe less |
| 05:32:29 | Jungti1234 | South Korea population's 1/4 inhabits in Seoul. |
| 05:32:42 | Jungti1234 | 1/5 |
| 05:32:55 | XavierGr | well 1/2 is in Athens in Greece so |
| 05:33:33 | TiMiD | I must say : good night :) |
| 05:33:34 | Jungti1234 | Why do you mass so? |
| 05:33:38 | Jungti1234 | good night |
| 05:33:52 | XavierGr | 11,018,000 live in Greece I was wrong. |
| 05:33:58 | TiMiD | (well in korea it must be morning) |
| 05:34:04 | Jungti1234 | 13:34 |
| 05:34:14 | TiMiD | :) |
| 05:34:17 | XavierGr | here is going to get morning |
| 05:34:20 | TiMiD | 5:34 here |
| 05:34:24 | XavierGr | 6:34 |
| 05:34:26 | XavierGr | lol |
| 05:34:30 | Jungti1234 | oh |
| 05:34:45 | XavierGr | TiMiD: any idea when you are going to see the vast wps code? |
| 05:34:53 | Jungti1234 | Did not sleep nighttime. |
| 05:35:09 | TiMiD | XavierGr: firefly is working on it |
| 05:35:44 | Jungti1234 | Korean translation of H100 firmware ends almost all. |
| 05:36:05 | TiMiD | and I truly think it will be hard, so I may do it myself if he doesn't suceeed |
| 05:36:17 | XavierGr | how is he going? |
| 05:36:37 | TiMiD | XavierGr: straight into the wall ;) |
| 05:36:47 | XavierGr | :) |
| 05:37:11 | XavierGr | I hope that you will not abandon us now that you are heading for Japan. |
| 05:37:27 | TiMiD | no, truly I don't know, he didn't do anything |
| 05:37:59 | TiMiD | if I have an internet acces in japan, I will be there (not often though) |
| 05:38:05 | Jungti1234 | I had gone to Japan. |
| 05:38:21 | TiMiD | how was it ? |
| 05:38:29 | XavierGr | what no internet in your house? |
| 05:38:58 | TiMiD | I don't know the conditions and the house |
| 05:39:07 | XavierGr | Then you will have |
| 05:39:15 | XavierGr | Japan is very sensitive in networks |
| 05:39:22 | TiMiD | I hope so :) |
| 05:39:24 | Jungti1234 | Did to go in school. |
| 05:39:32 | TiMiD | optical fiber at home |
| 05:39:40 | TiMiD | Jungti1234: you go to school ? |
| 05:39:51 | Jungti1234 | The South Korea is formidable. :) |
| 05:39:59 | XavierGr | Jungi is there great difference between Korean and Japanese? (or Chinese) |
| 05:40:10 | TiMiD | XavierGr: yes it's big |
| 05:40:20 | TiMiD | they have nothing in common |
| 05:40:28 | TiMiD | in terms of languages structure |
| 05:40:37 | TiMiD | (only some words ) |
| 05:40:43 | XavierGr | so not a chance that someone will understand any of the 3 while knowing 1 of them? |
| 05:40:54 | TiMiD | maybe written |
| 05:41:03 | TiMiD | since kanjis keep the same meaning |
| 05:41:06 | TiMiD | and you say 3 |
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| 05:41:19 | XavierGr | yeah or Chinese |
| 05:41:22 | TiMiD | but chinese doesn't exixts |
| 05:41:33 | XavierGr | really? |
| 05:41:37 | TiMiD | there are a lot of langauges over there |
| 05:41:42 | TiMiD | mainly 5 |
| 05:41:49 | XavierGr | ah simplified and e.t.c? |
| 05:41:53 | TiMiD | no |
| 05:41:58 | TiMiD | languages |
| 05:42:01 | TiMiD | spoken |
| 05:42:02 | Jungti1234 | haha |
| 05:42:15 | TiMiD | mandarin, cantonese, cheche, ... |
| 05:42:21 | XavierGr | great! |
| 05:42:30 | XavierGr | send a glossologist over there |
| 05:42:51 | TiMiD | :) |
| 05:43:03 | Jungti1234 | Is hard to translate. T.T |
| 05:43:09 | TiMiD | hopefully they are written the same way |
| 05:43:28 | TiMiD | Jungti1234: do you understand chinese or japanese ? |
| 05:43:41 | Jungti1234 | Japanese a little. |
| 05:43:52 | Jungti1234 | Chinese a little? |
| 05:44:20 | XavierGr | Jungti1234: You must own an iriver right? |
| 05:44:31 | Jungti1234 | Chinese and Korean, and Japanese are affinity. |
| 05:44:53 | Jungti1234 | ok |
| 05:45:12 | TiMiD | of course |
| 05:45:40 | TiMiD | I heard some times that korean and japanese had the same roots |
| 05:46:07 | XavierGr | how much does it cost to get an h300 in Korea? |
| 05:46:36 | Jungti1234 | Japanese's ancestor may be Korean. |
| 05:47:05 | Jungti1234 | It is 200,000 wons into South Korea money. |
| 05:47:51 | XavierGr | the 20GB or 40GB? |
| 05:47:56 | Jungti1234 | 20GB |
| 05:48:00 | XavierGr | the 40? |
| 05:48:10 | XavierGr | sorry just I want to compare |
| 05:48:15 | Jungti1234 | 40 GB do not become 300,000 wons. |
| 05:49:24 | XavierGr | it will be 300K or not? |
| 05:50:04 | Jungti1234 | what? |
| 05:50:41 | XavierGr | if it is, jsut to let you know I paid for my H140 500euros or 620,000 KRW |
| 05:50:53 | Jungti1234 | nono |
| 05:51:27 | XavierGr | what? |
| 05:51:47 | Jungti1234 | I am sorry, but did not understand whether speak that is what. |
| 05:52:18 | XavierGr | How does it costs in your country to get a brand new H340? |
| 05:53:27 | Jungti1234 | The first cheapest price says that is 280,000 wons. |
| 05:54:26 | XavierGr | then I paid double plus some more, can you imagine? |
| 05:55:01 | Jungti1234 | :( |
| 05:55:07 | Jungti1234 | http://dnshop.daum.net/front/product/ProductDetail?PID=A042_SSH340&CID=D23953 |
| 05:55:34 | Jungti1234 | iriver is bad. |
| 05:56:47 | XavierGr | TiMiD: what exactly did your commit added? |
| 05:57:29 | XavierGr | Also the volume now wraps when is 100 or 0 is reached. If you want it to wrap then at least make it to need another button press. |
| 05:57:58 | Jungti1234 | H300 is not produced now. |
| 05:58:23 | XavierGr | TiMiD: Or was it just like that in the first place? |
| 05:58:43 | XavierGr | You Koreans must head to iriver main office and smash their heads. |
| 05:59:20 | Jungti1234 | :) |
| 05:59:29 | XavierGr | First they announce false firmware and then they remove both h300 and h100 from production |
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| 06:00:08 | XavierGr | Now all is left is crappy H10 which uses proprietary hardware and makes its porting to rockbox difficult. |
| 06:01:54 | Jungti1234 | A user declared iriver in the Fair Trade Commission. |
| 06:01:54 | TiMiD | and I said I wasgonna sleep .... |
| 06:02:49 | Jungti1234 | H10's newest firmware came out not long ago, but there are many complaints still. |
| 06:03:00 | TiMiD | XavierGr: my commit mainly added remote support for sounds settings which are handleddifferently than other settings |
| 06:04:55 | TiMiD | also a bug correction (I introduced the bug previousliy) |
| 06:06:21 | XavierGr | sorry |
| 06:06:26 | XavierGr | I am going to sleep too. |
| 06:06:35 | Jungti1234 | :) |
| 06:06:52 | Jungti1234 | Good night |
| 06:06:56 | XavierGr | bye |
| 06:09:25 | TiMiD | cu ! |
| 06:09:31 | Jungti1234 | ¤»¤» |
| 06:09:38 | TiMiD | ow |
| 06:09:44 | TiMiD | it must be korean |
| 06:10:04 | TiMiD | which encoding are you using ? |
| 06:10:31 | Jungti1234 | I am Korean. |
| 06:10:48 | TiMiD | I know :p |
| 06:11:09 | Jungti1234 | Did not understand it is what speech. |
| 06:11:26 | Jungti1234 | Translation? |
| 06:12:34 | TiMiD | no the problem is that I see : Â ¤ Â » |
| 06:12:39 | TiMiD | (attched) |
| 06:12:45 | Jungti1234 | haha |
| 06:12:58 | TiMiD | it must be an encoding problem since I have korean fonts installed |
| 06:13:05 | Jungti1234 | Great. |
| 06:13:16 | TiMiD | ã•ã‚ˆãªã‚‰ |
| 06:13:22 | Jungti1234 | oh |
| 06:13:34 | Jungti1234 | Do not look. |
| 06:13:41 | TiMiD | it doesn't work ? |
| 06:13:52 | Jungti1234 | Is it Japanese? |
| 06:13:55 | TiMiD | yes |
| 06:14:02 | TiMiD | "sayonara" |
| 06:14:12 | Jungti1234 | Look ªã. |
| 06:14:34 | Jungti1234 | 'Sayonara' is 'Good-night'. |
| 06:14:51 | XavierGr | I thought it was goodbye |
| 06:15:14 | TiMiD | sayonara is good by |
| 06:15:20 | Jungti1234 | ok |
| 06:15:23 | TiMiD | good night is "oyasumi nasai" |
| 06:15:41 | Jungti1234 | It is my mistake. :) |
| 06:15:52 | TiMiD | (yasumi means break) |
| 06:16:24 | TiMiD | anyway did you saw my characters ? |
| 06:16:30 | TiMiD | (it's UTF-8) |
| 06:16:52 | XavierGr | sayonara in greek (though I dont know its root, and this is not a standart greek word) is a kind of slipper. |
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| 06:17:04 | Jungti1234 | Is it doing speech when 'Sayonara' is separate for a long time? |
| 06:17:25 | TiMiD | hmm I don't think so |
| 06:17:51 | Jungti1234 | When is not long |
| 06:17:55 | TiMiD | japanese girl tells me sayonara even if we are going to meet the next day |
| 06:18:08 | Jungti1234 | no |
| 06:18:24 | XavierGr | TiMiD: Are they pretty? ;) |
| 06:18:31 | Jungti1234 | Speak that is 'bye bye' when see next day. |
| 06:18:33 | TiMiD | not really |
| 06:18:51 | XavierGr | Though I dislike asian characteristics in girls |
| 06:18:59 | TiMiD | they need a teeth doctor :) |
| 06:19:03 | Jungti1234 | and 'Mata Asita' |
| 06:19:10 | XavierGr | oh... pitty |
| 06:19:13 | TiMiD | mata ashita :) |
| 06:19:20 | XavierGr | what's that? |
| 06:19:23 | Jungti1234 | ok.. :) |
| 06:19:38 | TiMiD | "see you tomorrow" |
| 06:19:47 | Jungti1234 | yes |
| 06:20:03 | XavierGr | I know an anime movie character named Ashitaka... |
| 06:20:09 | TiMiD | (literally "again tomorrow") |
| 06:20:13 | Jungti1234 | However, Korean is easier. |
| 06:20:19 | TiMiD | mononke hime ? |
| 06:20:27 | XavierGr | yeah great isn't it! |
| 06:20:33 | TiMiD | :) |
| 06:20:57 | XavierGr | Studio Ghibli rocks |
| 06:21:19 | Jungti1234 | haha |
| 06:21:33 | TiMiD | ha |
| 06:21:39 | Jungti1234 | ÇÏÇÏ |
| 06:21:42 | TiMiD | I just found out korean encoding |
| 06:21:50 | TiMiD | euckr |
| 06:21:53 | XavierGr | what taka means? |
| 06:22:13 | Jungti1234 | ok euckr |
| 06:22:31 | TiMiD | Jum ssok Yeb Jum ssok Yeb |
| 06:22:37 | Jungti1234 | However, write much utf-8. |
| 06:23:07 | XavierGr | hmm seems the Ashitaka stands for Tomorrow Weapon or Shield (Taka in persian is a kind of shield) |
| 06:23:10 | Jungti1234 | Jum ssok Yeb Jum ssok Yeb? |
| 06:23:22 | Jungti1234 | Are you mean which mean what? |
| 06:23:34 | TiMiD | maybe good night ? |
| 06:23:46 | Jungti1234 | korean? |
| 06:23:57 | TiMiD | I don't know :) |
| 06:24:03 | Jungti1234 | -_-; |
| 06:24:07 | TiMiD | I c'n'p into a translator |
| 06:24:15 | TiMiD | but it didn't worket |
| 06:24:26 | TiMiD | it just gave me that strange sentence :p |
| 06:24:37 | TiMiD | (I don't know a single korean word) |
| 06:24:52 | Jungti1234 | 'Good night' is 'jaljayo' in Korean. |
| 06:25:22 | TiMiD | now I know one word :p |
| 06:25:39 | TiMiD | ad about what you typed before ?? |
| 06:25:47 | Jungti1234 | Is hard to speak Korean by English pronunciation. |
| 06:26:06 | TiMiD | I'm french :) |
| 06:26:11 | Jungti1234 | jaljayo = ÀßÀÚ¿ä |
| 06:26:23 | TiMiD | hmm |
| 06:26:38 | Jungti1234 | http://enjoyjapan.naver.com/ |
| 06:26:50 | TiMiD | but �� repeated 2 times ? |
| 06:27:09 | Jungti1234 | ? |
| 06:27:11 | Jungti1234 | http://bbs.enjoyjapan.naver.com/photo/list.php?id=enjoyjapan_42&v=new |
| 06:27:25 | TiMiD | ha no |
| 06:27:32 | TiMiD | I'mstupid :p |
| 06:27:34 | Jungti1234 | Mean which can not understand. |
| 06:27:45 | Jungti1234 | Korean and Chinese mix. |
| 06:28:23 | XavierGr | sometime I see anime characters say ha no or "ano" and it is translated ehmm... is that right? |
| 06:28:34 | Jungti1234 | Do you interest about Asia language? |
| 06:28:39 | TiMiD | oh I see why you enjoyed japan ;) |
| 06:29:11 | Jungti1234 | ª¢ª½ª³.. |
| 06:29:14 | TiMiD | XavierGr: ano means "that" or "this" |
| 06:29:28 | XavierGr | strange translations then... |
| 06:29:29 | Jungti1234 | ª¢ª½ª³ <- ano? |
| 06:29:37 | TiMiD | anooooo >> bout that .... |
| 06:29:56 | TiMiD | Jungti1234: I have no clue about what you are typing :) |
| 06:29:58 | XavierGr | yes they say anooooo |
| 06:30:21 | Jungti1234 | ok |
| 06:30:23 | Jungti1234 | :) |
| 06:31:06 | TiMiD | ã‚ã® |
| 06:31:13 | Jungti1234 | -_- |
| 06:31:14 | TiMiD | (utf-8 is greaaaaat) |
| 06:31:25 | Jungti1234 | It is strange speech. |
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| 06:31:53 | Jungti1234 | Mean which is not significant. |
| 06:32:07 | TiMiD | just set your encoding to utf-8 |
| 06:32:52 | Jungti1234 | -_-; |
| 06:33:18 | Jungti1234 | ´ç½ÅÀÌ ÀÌ»óÇÏ»ï |
| 06:33:30 | TiMiD | it's not utf-8 :) |
| 06:33:35 | TiMiD | I see squares :p |
| 06:33:40 | Jungti1234 | Is it so? |
| 06:33:55 | Jungti1234 | I do not know how change to UTF-8. |
| 06:33:56 | TiMiD | yes :) |
| 06:34:09 | TiMiD | which irc client are you using ? |
| 06:34:15 | Jungti1234 | Even if UTF-8 is not, Hangul can be bitter. |
| 06:34:33 | Jungti1234 | ZeroIRC |
| 06:34:35 | TiMiD | utf-8 can display hangul |
| 06:34:45 | TiMiD | I don't know a lot obout this one |
| 06:34:49 | Jungti1234 | = mirc |
| 06:34:52 | TiMiD | but it must be possible to change |
| 06:35:01 | TiMiD | I know xchat |
| 06:35:11 | TiMiD | (a great irc client btw) |
| 06:35:29 | Jungti1234 | Speech which you do is word that do not have intention. |
| 06:35:50 | TiMiD | ??? |
| 06:35:56 | Jungti1234 | ?‚ã® |
| 06:36:05 | TiMiD | I don't understand) |
| 06:36:26 | Jungti1234 | What is intention of '? ‚ã®'? |
| 06:36:44 | TiMiD | intention ? |
| 06:36:59 | TiMiD | you mean "meaning" |
| 06:36:59 | Jungti1234 | Meaning |
| 06:37:03 | TiMiD | ok :) |
| 06:37:04 | Jungti1234 | ok |
| 06:37:13 | TiMiD | '? Bã®' |
| 06:37:20 | TiMiD | I see ? |
| 06:37:23 | Jungti1234 | no |
| 06:37:24 | TiMiD | B |
| 06:37:26 | TiMiD | no |
| 06:37:38 | Jungti1234 | Look B. |
| 06:37:55 | TiMiD | I look B |
| 06:37:57 | TiMiD | and ? |
| 06:38:04 | Jungti1234 | no |
| 06:38:12 | Jungti1234 | Do not look. |
| 06:38:44 | Jungti1234 | :) '°¡³ª´Ù' |
| 06:38:47 | TiMiD | what are you trying to type ? |
| 06:39:06 | TiMiD | I see still corean encoding :( |
| 06:39:10 | Jungti1234 | what type? |
| 06:39:38 | TiMiD | if I switch to koeran encoding I can see your hangul |
| 06:39:44 | TiMiD | correctly |
| 06:39:45 | Jungti1234 | Does not Hangul look? |
| 06:39:58 | TiMiD | 9 chr |
| 06:40:09 | Jungti1234 | hmm.. |
| 06:40:28 | TiMiD | the first one looks like a key upside down |
| 06:40:34 | Jungti1234 | Spoke that is 'ganada'. |
| 06:40:44 | TiMiD | secondone like two roof |
| 06:40:57 | TiMiD | what does that means ? |
| 06:41:22 | Jungti1234 | There is not truth meaning. |
| 06:42:07 | TiMiD | anyway |
| 06:42:11 | Jungti1234 | As there is 'a, b, c, d ...' to English, there is 'ga, na, da ....' to Hangul. |
| 06:42:14 | TiMiD | I'm gonna sleep |
| 06:42:17 | TiMiD | ok :) |
| 06:42:26 | Jungti1234 | :) jaljayo |
| 06:42:37 | TiMiD | bonne nuit (french way :p) |
| 06:42:44 | Jungti1234 | -_-; |
| 06:42:51 | TiMiD | cu ! |
| 06:43:10 | XavierGr | bye |
| 06:43:36 | Jungti1234 | bonne nuit = good night |
| 06:44:01 | Jungti1234 | Here is the morning!! |
| 06:44:25 | Jungti1234 | afternoon :) |
| 06:44:58 | Jungti1234 | XavierGr: Does your Hangul look? |
| 06:45:30 | XavierGr | no |
| 06:45:32 | XavierGr | not at all |
| 06:45:43 | XavierGr | even TiMiD's Japanese were garbage |
| 06:45:58 | XavierGr | I use Trillian so no UTF-8 |
| 06:46:20 | Jungti1234 | aha |
| 06:47:05 | Jungti1234 | English is very simple expression. |
| 06:47:53 | Jungti1234 | Expression is not various. |
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| 14:16:15 | TiMiD | ep0ch: how did you get this ? |
| 14:16:42 | whatboutbob | hey folks. I've gotta be missing something obvious. why would my original iriver fw be under-reporting my free hdd space? |
| 14:17:01 | ep0ch | when i selected a new song to play via the file browser |
| 14:17:18 | ep0ch | i do have optical out on enabled if that makes a difference |
| 14:17:53 | ep0ch | playback has become overall quite dodgy recently |
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| 14:19:39 | whatboutbob | windows explorer says 5.88gb free, rockbox says 3.72gb free, iriver fw says 583meg free |
| 14:19:43 | TiMiD | Ihope my filebrowser modifications didn't make itbuggy |
| 14:20:10 | ep0ch | ohh i'm running some extra patches so it's probably those |
| 14:20:18 | TiMiD | whatboutbob: buhh windows :( |
| 14:20:24 | ep0ch | i'll do another build without |
| 14:20:34 | TiMiD | ep0ch: it crashes with the same file ? |
| 14:20:44 | TiMiD | I mean you can reproduce the bug :) |
| 14:20:59 | ep0ch | nahh haven't tried |
| 14:21:11 | ep0ch | first time i had a stkov main though |
| 14:21:24 | preglow | ep0ch: there what looks like dropped samples in everything you sent me |
| 14:21:36 | preglow | and one larger segment of something weird for rockbox vorbis |
| 14:21:45 | ep0ch | yes i know about the vorbis one |
| 14:21:52 | ep0ch | its been rerecorded |
| 14:22:01 | whatboutbob | TiMidL yeah...I know. :) I ran chkdsk and it confirmed 5.88gig. |
| 14:22:05 | ep0ch | i dont get the dropped samples though |
| 14:22:23 | preglow | ep0ch: the rockbox iriver one has been rerecorded? |
| 14:22:34 | TiMiD | whatboutbob: format it and you will get your 40gb ;) |
| 14:22:36 | whatboutbob | screwed me over recording a gig the other night. said 'hdd full' and i was like 'wtf! I checked it b4 i left the house...i'm sure it said 5 gig free' |
| 14:22:38 | ep0ch | yes but wait 30 mins to get it |
| 14:22:42 | preglow | sure |
| 14:22:53 | ep0ch | i will even upload my mixdowns |
| 14:23:23 | ep0ch | i've re-recorded rockbox mp3 as i think the alignment was out by a sample |
| 14:23:27 | whatboutbob | TiMiD: hehe...thanks...I'm trying to leave that as my last resort. just seems weird. hope my hdd isn't on the way out... |
| 14:23:48 | TiMiD | no I don't think so |
| 14:24:10 | TiMiD | I remember aguy who had the same problem and after taht everything was fine |
| 14:24:57 | whatboutbob | if i delete stuff via iriver fw it shows hdd increasing...if i do it through winblows, nada. |
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| 14:25:17 | whatboutbob | ^free space increasing |
| 14:26:02 | ep0ch | preglow: so far all the mixdowns for both iriver and rockbox look almost perfect for both mp3 and vorbis |
| 14:26:43 | preglow | ep0ch: no, not dropped samples, there something else going on |
| 14:27:01 | ep0ch | i.e. has a max/min amplitude of 1 |
| 14:27:08 | ep0ch | i dont get the dropped samples |
| 14:27:16 | ep0ch | oh sorry misread |
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| 14:28:48 | preglow | like i suspected |
| 14:28:51 | preglow | it's a bug in audition |
| 14:29:04 | ep0ch | i'm using audition |
| 14:29:09 | ep0ch | 1.5 |
| 14:29:23 | preglow | ditto |
| 14:29:40 | preglow | when i converted the files to floating point before mix pasting, it works fine |
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| 14:30:00 | preglow | there most certainly should be no perceptual difference in mp3 and vorbis codecs between rockbox and iriver |
| 14:30:41 | Riot- | Any voicebox gurus about? |
| 14:30:41 | ep0ch | i just imported them, inverted the reference, and made two mixed files. didn't do anything special extra conversion |
| 14:31:03 | preglow | ep0ch: i do mix pasting |
| 14:31:54 | ep0ch | I did the right click in a track and mix down (to track) -> selected tracks |
| 14:31:55 | ashridah | whatboutbob: windows has a known bug with the fat32 free space handling |
| 14:32:05 | ashridah | whatboutbob: it doesn't update the free space counts properly |
| 14:32:12 | ashridah | so it constantly misreports the size of the filesystem |
| 14:32:26 | ashridah | you can force rockbox to update it iirc |
| 14:32:33 | ashridah | forget how exactly tho |
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| 14:33:40 | preglow | ep0ch: mp3 is the codec differing the largest between rockbox and iriver |
| 14:34:00 | whatboutbob | ashridah: but 3 different sizes between rockbox, iriver and windows? |
| 14:34:02 | ep0ch | yes i've re-recorded that one, and its fine |
| 14:34:15 | ep0ch | i think it was maybe a misaligned sample |
| 14:34:57 | ep0ch | if you amplify the mix by 42dB, you can clearly hear Outrun :) |
| 14:35:01 | preglow | perhaps |
| 14:35:15 | ep0ch | but it sounds like a highpass |
| 14:35:19 | ep0ch | filter |
| 14:36:20 | ep0ch | or it maybe it was my sound card flipping out and putting its own reverb on |
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| 14:36:56 | preglow | ep0ch: doesn't look like it to me |
| 14:37:00 | preglow | ep0ch: they look perfectly aligned |
| 14:37:13 | ep0ch | well |
| 14:37:20 | whatboutbob | grrr...bugger it....ok...its prolly time i cleaned up the drive anyways. what's the best way to format it? |
| 14:37:31 | ep0ch | the new mp3 one is up |
| 14:39:19 | Riot- | Anyone know anything about the code for the voicebox script? |
| 14:39:53 | preglow | ep0ch: url? |
| 14:40:19 | ep0ch | http://www.ep0ch.com/html/listdir.shtml?dir=/Rockbox/OpticalOut |
| 14:40:30 | ep0ch | if you wait 10 secs the new vorbis will be up too |
| 14:40:48 | ep0ch | and in 20 mins my own mixdowns will go up |
| 14:41:44 | preglow | using the mp3s i had, it actually looks like the iriver mp3 decoder is slightly better than our own :/ |
| 14:43:01 | ep0ch | you will like the new output then :) |
| 14:43:20 | ep0ch | cant figure out why the original recording is wrong |
| 14:48:12 | ep0ch | was a pain in the **** getting decent rockbox recordings though, as the playback would usually drop out in the first second. |
| 14:49:12 | ep0ch | i might take some recording for slasheri to take a look at |
| 14:49:36 | ep0ch | my own mixdowns are now up for both mp3 and vorbis |
| 14:49:51 | ep0ch | now time to try quake3 on the xbox :) |
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| 14:50:16 | preglow | i don't know what slasheri would be able to see in those recording |
| 14:50:18 | preglow | s |
| 14:50:52 | ep0ch | he would see proof that playback aint so good |
| 14:52:04 | preglow | you can just tell him that |
| 14:52:14 | preglow | it works just fine for me |
| 14:52:34 | preglow | or do you just mean the spdif part? |
| 14:54:08 | Slasher | Hmm, what is wrong with the playback? |
| 14:54:30 | ep0ch | letme check it happens for both spdif and normal |
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| 14:55:40 | Lear | Interesting... The AAC codec doesn't seem to like Nero 7 encoded files... |
| 14:56:18 | Slasher | my new crossfader also works almost now. Only few minor bugs left :) |
| 14:56:36 | ep0ch | wierd it seems to be just for spdif output i get a dropout in the first few hundred samples on next/forward |
| 14:56:54 | Slasher | ep0ch: ah, interesting |
| 14:57:16 | Slasher | that might be because the spdif receiver has to resync to the stream |
| 14:58:13 | ep0ch | yes that's it, using internal clock on the soundcard has no dropout |
| 14:58:44 | ep0ch | very clever :) |
| 14:59:03 | Slasher | hehe, but probably we could fix that too |
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| 15:01:35 | ep0ch | Preglow: wtf, something went wrong with those mixdown files, think i need some sleep |
| 15:01:56 | Lear | Or maybe the replaygain tagging done by foobar... |
| 15:03:55 | Lear | Argh, yet again bitten by lack of build dependencies. (Change something in a codec library, and the codec isn't relinked.) :/ |
| 15:04:29 | preglow | Lear: aac has some dep errors, yes |
| 15:04:47 | Lear | aac? I'm talking about vorbis... |
| 15:05:08 | Lear | But I think it applies to all codecs... |
| 15:05:44 | preglow | works most of the time for me |
| 15:05:49 | preglow | and i've tweaked almost all the codecs |
| 15:06:27 | Lear | As long as you change something in the codecs/*.c file, yes... |
| 15:06:53 | ep0ch | Slasher: could this spdif sync be why i got a *panic* stkov error earlier? |
| 15:07:12 | ep0ch | stkov main |
| 15:07:29 | preglow | Lear: no, i mean in the codec libraries as well |
| 15:09:55 | Slasher | ep0ch: no, i doubt that because spdif works only for one direction |
| 15:14:35 | ep0ch | preglow: ok my bad, the new rockbox mp3 output is the same as the old one. |
| 15:14:50 | preglow | ep0ch: kind of expected that, yes |
| 15:15:21 | ep0ch | did you try amplifying the mix and listening to it? |
| 15:15:26 | ep0ch | sounded good to me :D |
| 15:15:59 | preglow | yes, i did |
| 15:16:00 | ep0ch | i wonder if anyone can actually perceive the difference |
| 15:16:08 | preglow | it might be a bug, mind you |
| 15:16:15 | preglow | i seriously doubt that |
| 15:16:19 | preglow | the error is below -90 db |
| 15:16:24 | preglow | almost anything would mask that away |
| 15:16:33 | ep0ch | true |
| 15:16:38 | preglow | but it's not good enough, of coruse |
| 15:16:40 | preglow | course |
| 15:16:43 | ep0ch | :) |
| 15:17:02 | ep0ch | what library is used for mp3 on rockbox? |
| 15:17:44 | ep0ch | i could compare the x86 version of it to foobar |
| 15:19:00 | ep0ch | MAD |
| 15:19:29 | preglow | libmad |
| 15:19:48 | preglow | i know of one way to improve the output |
| 15:19:56 | preglow | but it would seriously hamper the performance |
| 15:20:08 | ep0ch | dithering? |
| 15:20:12 | preglow | no |
| 15:20:15 | linuxstb_ | Lear: What is the problem with Nero AAC files? Is it the mp4/m4a parsing, or problems decoding the actual audio itself? |
| 15:20:17 | preglow | it's got to do with the way i do multiplies |
| 15:20:19 | ep0ch | "In one circumstance, MAD is a limited accuracy ISO/IEC 11172-3 audio decoder. This is true when MAD is forced to use an approximation version of its fixed-point multiply routine, and is easily avoided." |
| 15:20:29 | preglow | linuxstb_: btw, saw the new flac test result, very interesting |
| 15:20:39 | preglow | ep0ch: we don't do that |
| 15:21:00 | preglow | ep0ch: i'm very certain our implementation would qualify as full precision |
| 15:21:24 | ep0ch | yeah but we want perfection if we can :) |
| 15:21:26 | linuxstb_ | preglow: Yes. I now want to do a test with the same version of the FLAC codec, but with Rockbox running at 45MHz, and the WPS disabled - i.e. I will leave Rockbox in file browser mode instead of WPS. |
| 15:21:48 | preglow | linuxstb_: sounds good |
| 15:21:52 | linuxstb_ | This should hopefully enable Rockbox to sleep more during playback. |
| 15:22:18 | linuxstb_ | If that proves useful, then maybe a sort of WPS screensaver timeout should be implemented. |
| 15:22:23 | ep0ch | linuxstb_: cool, i look forward to seeing those results |
| 15:22:48 | preglow | but i'm really surprised at how much about 10mhz had to say on the run time |
| 15:22:48 | ep0ch | WPS with peakmeter? |
| 15:23:07 | amiconn | linuxstb_: No 23 MHz test? ;) |
| 15:23:28 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: I've got too many tests to run. And preglow keeps improving the codec... |
| 15:23:29 | amiconn | preglow: What's the status of your 24 bit flac routines? |
| 15:26:04 | preglow | amiconn: i suddenly got no time for fixing it yesterday, will have a look as soon as i've put some food in me |
| 15:26:39 | preglow | linuxstb_: the new order10 fix should have a very small impact, so no new test necessary, if you ask me |
| 15:26:41 | amiconn | I don't intend to force you; I have no 24 bit flac file |
| 15:26:41 | Lear | linuxstb_: don't know really. I try to play a file, and drops back immediately to the browser. Can see that a splash is shown, but not what is on it. |
| 15:27:01 | preglow | amiconn: 'course not, i just want to finish it so i don't need to think about it anymore :) |
| 15:27:44 | linuxstb_ | Lear: Then it sounds like a mp4 parsing problem. Can you give me an example file? |
| 15:28:17 | linuxstb_ | preglow: I thought your commit message said that you have also improved the default case a little. |
| 15:30:00 | preglow | linuxstb_: a tiny, tiny bit |
| 15:31:44 | linuxstb_ | ep0ch: Yes, the WPS I am using for my tests has a peakmeter |
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| 15:48:36 | Riot- | Anyone answer a voicebox question? |
| 15:49:13 | Lear | linuxstb: he, rockbox can't parse that file; totalsamples, frequency and length are all zero... |
| 15:49:25 | ep0ch | preglow: libmad on x86 has an error of +/- 4 sample values, just sounds like hiss when amplified. |
| 15:50:04 | preglow | so there's a 2 bit error |
| 15:50:15 | preglow | Riot-: just ask |
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| 15:53:37 | Riot- | The "Text = Replace(Text,","," ")" in voiceUtils.vbs screws up Audrey16 pronunciation. ie 10,000 get pronounced as one zero zero zero zero. If I change the " " to "" it works correctly. Anyone know I can just delete those lines? |
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| 16:21:36 | ep0ch | preglow: assuming foobar2000's output is bit perfect |
| 16:24:17 | preglow | ep0ch: i can more or less guarantee you that foobars output is accurate to the sixteenth bit |
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| 16:41:31 | ep0ch | yeah |
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| 16:51:40 | preglow | ep0ch: can you compile your own builds? |
| 16:51:53 | ep0ch | yup |
| 16:52:41 | preglow | if you're interested in testing what impact rounding has on libmads output, you can do a small tweak and check the output again |
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| 16:53:00 | ep0ch | yeha sounds like fun :) |
| 16:53:22 | preglow | ok, synth.c, in mad_synth_init, there's coldfire_set_macsr line |
| 16:53:31 | preglow | remove "| EMAC_ROUND" from that line |
| 16:53:33 | preglow | then recompile |
| 16:53:37 | ep0ch | let ok |
| 16:53:40 | ep0ch | oop |
| 16:53:40 | ep0ch | s |
| 16:54:16 | preglow | can't say i expect anything to change, but might be worth a try |
| 16:54:31 | ep0ch | sure |
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| 16:55:38 | ep0ch | i'll just cvsup first |
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| 17:07:26 | ep0ch | when rockbox is on and charging does it shutdown after the idle poweroff period? mine doesnt appear to. |
| 17:09:33 | preglow | nah, mine neither, i think |
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| 17:11:57 | ep0ch | just for reference cpu boost is 6% with the EMAC_ROUND |
| 17:12:06 | ep0ch | without* |
| 17:12:25 | preglow | it should have no impact on cpu usage |
| 17:13:04 | ep0ch | why did i choose such a long song.... |
| 17:13:22 | preglow | why indeed, hehe |
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| 17:17:41 | ep0ch | Left Right |
| 17:17:41 | ep0ch | Min Sample Value: -19 -21 |
| 17:17:41 | ep0ch | Max Sample Value: 18 19 |
| 17:18:55 | ep0ch | now what was it before :) |
| 17:19:41 | ep0ch | Min Sample Value: -38 -57 |
| 17:19:41 | ep0ch | Max Sample Value: 45 60 |
| 17:19:49 | ep0ch | wierd |
| 17:19:55 | ep0ch | some improvement |
| 17:20:00 | ep0ch | but not all |
| 17:20:16 | preglow | hmm |
| 17:20:21 | preglow | that's a large improvement, actually |
| 17:20:29 | ep0ch | tue |
| 17:20:30 | ep0ch | true |
| 17:20:51 | preglow | but what to do about it :) |
| 17:21:08 | ep0ch | before: Left Right |
| 17:21:08 | ep0ch | Min Sample Value: -19 -21 |
| 17:21:08 | ep0ch | Max Sample Value: 18 19 |
| 17:21:08 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK ep0ch |
| 17:21:08 | ep0ch | Peak Amplitude: -64.51 dB -63.66 dB |
| 17:21:08 | ep0ch | Possibly Clipped: 0 0 |
| 17:21:09 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 17:21:09 | ep0ch | DC Offset: -.002 -.002 |
| 17:21:11 | ep0ch | Minimum RMS Power: -96.34 dB -96.34 dB |
| 17:21:13 | ep0ch | Maximum RMS Power: -75.44 dB -74.86 dB |
| 17:21:15 | ep0ch | Average RMS Power: -86.04 dB -85.84 dB |
| 17:21:17 | ep0ch | Total RMS Power: -85.36 dB -85.13 dB |
| 17:21:19 | ep0ch | Actual Bit Depth: 16 Bits 16 Bits |
| 17:21:21 | ep0ch | |
| 17:21:23 | ep0ch | Using RMS Window of 50 ms |
| 17:21:51 | ep0ch | i'll start again |
| 17:22:00 | ep0ch | before: Left Right |
| 17:22:01 | ep0ch | Min Sample Value: -38 -57 |
| 17:22:01 | ep0ch | Max Sample Value: 45 60 |
| 17:22:01 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
| 17:22:01 | ep0ch | Peak Amplitude: -57.15 dB -54.67 dB |
| 17:22:01 | *** | Alert Mode level 3 |
| 17:22:01 | ep0ch | Possibly Clipped: 0 0 |
| 17:22:01 | *** | Alert Mode level 4 |
| 17:22:01 | ep0ch | DC Offset: -.002 -.002 |
| 17:22:03 | ep0ch | Minimum RMS Power: -96.34 dB -96.34 dB |
| 17:22:05 | ep0ch | Maximum RMS Power: -71.95 dB -68.53 dB |
| 17:22:07 | ep0ch | Average RMS Power: -86.04 dB -85.84 dB |
| 17:22:09 | ep0ch | Total RMS Power: -85.34 dB -85.09 dB |
| 17:22:11 | ep0ch | Actual Bit Depth: 16 Bits 16 Bits |
| 17:22:13 | ep0ch | |
| 17:22:15 | ep0ch | Using RMS Window of 50 ms |
| 17:22:17 | ep0ch | after: Left Right |
| 17:22:19 | ep0ch | Min Sample Value: -19 -21 |
| 17:22:19 | preglow | this isn't really relevant |
| 17:22:20 | ep0ch | Max Sample Value: 18 19 |
| 17:22:23 | ep0ch | Peak Amplitude: -64.51 dB -63.66 dB |
| 17:22:25 | ep0ch | Possibly Clipped: 0 0 |
| 17:22:27 | ep0ch | DC Offset: -.002 -.002 |
| 17:22:28 | ep0ch | Minimum RMS Power: -96.34 dB -96.34 dB |
| 17:22:31 | ep0ch | Maximum RMS Power: -75.44 dB -74.86 dB |
| 17:22:33 | ep0ch | Average RMS Power: -86.04 dB -85.84 dB |
| 17:22:35 | ep0ch | Total RMS Power: -85.36 dB -85.13 dB |
| 17:22:37 | ep0ch | Actual Bit Depth: 16 Bits 16 Bits |
| 17:22:39 | ep0ch | |
| 17:22:41 | ep0ch | Using RMS Window of 50 ms |
| 17:22:52 | preglow | and please spam me all this in private, not here |
| 17:22:57 | ep0ch | :) |
| 17:23:11 | ep0ch | i'm not registered |
| 17:23:16 | preglow | well, that's not hard |
| 17:23:18 | preglow | but anywho |
| 17:23:38 | preglow | a smaller sample difference alone says we're closer |
| 17:24:09 | preglow | some of the error i'm sure comes from the inaccurate accumulator |
| 17:24:39 | preglow | some of it from the three bits i discard every time i fetch the accumulators |
| 17:27:57 | muesli_- | 4 Nov 21:35Thomapps/codecs/mpc.c 1.11 Fixed the halved volume bug does that mean that music is played louder from now? |
| 17:28:47 | preglow | muesli_-: yes |
| 17:28:58 | preglow | muesli_-: twice as loud as before |
| 17:29:12 | preglow | but only for musepack, of course |
| 17:29:13 | muesli_- | wow |
| 17:29:18 | muesli_- | ah ok |
| 17:29:19 | muesli_- | ;) |
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| 17:37:56 | preglow | Lear: did you write the apev2 parser? |
| 17:38:10 | preglow | or was that perhaps david bryant? |
| 17:38:21 | Lear | Sort of; I modified the existing one... |
| 17:39:18 | Lear | Why? Any problem with it? |
| 17:39:18 | ep0ch | i don't think removing the EMAC_ROUND has actually made any difference. looking back at an amplified version of the original mixdown there are glitches at the beginning and end of the file. no idea where they've come from, but i'll go away and look over them again |
| 17:39:54 | preglow | Lear: perhaps, i'll check out a bug report now |
| 17:40:55 | Slasher | new crossfader committed. I hope it has now enough configuration options :D |
| 17:41:15 | preglow | woot |
| 17:41:51 | preglow | Slasher: but the crossfader still does the actually crossfade as before, yes? |
| 17:42:16 | Slasher | preglow: Hmm, what do you mean with that? Basically on code level yes :/ |
| 17:42:36 | Slasher | Or it accesses directly the pcm buffer |
| 17:42:51 | Slasher | But it does now the fading in three phases: |
| 17:43:15 | preglow | Lear: no, not true, it's just a question of some tagger programs tagging the file with a dozen different tags formats in both head and tail |
| 17:43:33 | Slasher | (1) Fading out the whole pcm buffer. (2) Fading in new data. (3) Fading in and inserting the remaining new data into pcm buffer. |
| 17:43:34 | preglow | Lear: god knows what makes them think having BOTH a id3v1 tag and an apev2 tag will work |
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| 18:14:56 | preglow | RotAtoR: musepack working as it should now? |
| 18:17:35 | RotAtoR | yes :) no problems found with my files so far |
| 18:17:42 | RotAtoR | replaygain and everything works great |
| 18:18:43 | preglow | good |
| 18:19:07 | preglow | only other problem i know of is the one moos is talking about, which stems from id3v1 tagged mpc files |
| 18:19:18 | preglow | rockbox wont find the ape tag if there's an id3v1 tag at the end of the fil |
| 18:19:18 | preglow | e |
| 18:19:25 | preglow | i don't even know if i want to fix that |
| 18:20:01 | RotAtoR | i won't be able to test that, foobar makes sure all 1d3 tags are stripped from my non-mp3 files |
| 18:20:27 | preglow | yes, as it should be |
| 18:20:31 | preglow | no need to test, i know of the problem |
| 18:20:38 | preglow | i'm only wondering if i should fix it ;) |
| 18:20:42 | RotAtoR | ok :) |
| 18:21:29 | ep0ch | Slasher: is it possible to make the new crossfade work only when manually skipping tracks? |
| 18:43:22 | preglow | RotAtoR: i loev bejeweled :P |
| 18:43:24 | preglow | love |
| 18:43:41 | preglow | though i find it a bit harder without colours for some reason |
| 18:45:58 | Slasher | ep0ch: yes |
| 18:46:17 | Slasher | i will think that later |
| 18:49:06 | ep0ch | cool |
| 18:52:07 | RotAtoR | preglow: I tried using 4 shades grayscale, but I didn't like how it turned out |
| 18:52:27 | RotAtoR | light gray was too light and dark gray was too dark |
| 18:52:33 | preglow | typ |
| 18:52:38 | preglow | will be better on true colour screens |
| 18:52:49 | preglow | like an ipod! |
| 18:52:50 | preglow | :V |
| 18:52:59 | RotAtoR | definitely, or a h3XX! |
| 18:53:01 | _FireFly_ | or h3xx |
| 18:53:05 | _FireFly_ | ;) |
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| 19:45:13 | preglow | just had a little walk with a musepack album |
| 19:45:21 | preglow | everything seems to work great, including gapless |
| 19:48:05 | preglow | but i'm going to disable musepack seeking, it's just too useless |
| 19:51:17 | RotAtoR | that would be for the best, most people would think their player is frozen when trying to seek |
| 19:51:35 | preglow | exactly |
| 19:52:06 | RotAtoR | so what would it do if disabled, the progress bar would snap back to the current position? |
| 19:55:16 | preglow | yes |
| 19:55:22 | preglow | i will only support one seek position: start of file |
| 19:56:01 | RotAtoR | good :) |
| 19:56:19 | preglow | is ci->seek_time the wanted seek time + 1 ? |
| 19:56:23 | preglow | mpa.c makes it look like it |
| 19:56:34 | Slasher | Hmm, is it possible to guess the file position where to seek if we know the file length? |
| 19:57:05 | Slasher | *song length |
| 19:57:27 | preglow | not with vbr files, no |
| 19:57:37 | Slasher | yes, it would be inaccurate.. |
| 19:57:41 | preglow | very |
| 19:57:44 | RotAtoR | although i wonder if there is a better way, i seem to recall early versions of foobar had a hack for fast seeking in musepack that would occasionaly produce a little noise at the beginning of the seeked position |
| 19:58:02 | preglow | RotAtoR: that is indeed true, and i'm not willing to add this into a device that might give someone hearing damage |
| 19:58:39 | ep0ch | instead of it being time based seeking, why not filesize percentage based? if you get what i mean |
| 19:58:43 | preglow | i've had my share of white noise bursts |
| 19:59:19 | ep0ch | completly inconsistent |
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| 20:00:13 | RotAtoR | would it be possible to seek a little before the seek position and decode for a while in order to try and decode past any inter-frame dependencies that would cause white noise? |
| 20:01:19 | preglow | Slasher: but like i said, it seems like the true seek position is ci->seek_time - 1, yes? |
| 20:01:29 | preglow | RotAtoR: that's what libmusepack does |
| 20:01:33 | preglow | RotAtoR: and that is the only solution |
| 20:01:40 | Slasher | preglow: yep, correct |
| 20:01:41 | RotAtoR | ahh, ok :) |
| 20:02:39 | Slasher | and seek_time should be 1 when seeking to the beginning |
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| 20:05:08 | preglow | yes |
| 20:06:07 | preglow | hmm |
| 20:06:14 | preglow | does playback stop when seeking on archos? |
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| 20:15:03 | preglow | Slasher: doesn't seem many were aware of the seek_time issue :P |
| 20:22:50 | amiconn | preglow: What do you mean? |
| 20:24:15 | preglow | amiconn: seek_time needs to be decremented before use |
| 20:24:23 | preglow | amiconn: i just fixed it for nearly all the codecs |
| 20:24:32 | amiconn | No, I mean your archos question |
| 20:24:37 | preglow | amiconn: right |
| 20:24:45 | preglow | amiconn: does it play audio while you find a seek point to skip to? |
| 20:25:02 | preglow | i don't like the fact that iriver rockbox stops playing when i'm seeking |
| 20:25:13 | preglow | it stop playing as soon as i press left or right |
| 20:25:20 | amiconn | It's the same on archos |
| 20:25:33 | amiconn | Makes more sense to me than continuing to play |
| 20:25:53 | amiconn | Audible cueing would be another thing |
| 20:26:30 | preglow | know it makes sense, but i still don't like it |
| 20:26:47 | preglow | and btw, wouldn't spinning up the hard drive when your seek point is outside buffer limits make sense? |
| 20:27:00 | preglow | so the user doesn't have to wait for that when the seek position has been selected |
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| 20:48:38 | linuxstb | preglow: I discovered the seek_time issue recently - but didn't think 1ms difference would be an issue. |
| 20:48:49 | linuxstb | So I didn't really care about it. |
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| 20:53:53 | preglow | nah, not much |
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| 21:05:49 | XavierGr | cvs diff: warning: failed to open //.cvspass for reading: No such file or directory |
| 21:06:14 | XavierGr | What error is this? I get this when I want to diff from cvs. |
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| 21:24:51 | XavierGr | whats the fade-in/out delay? |
| 21:25:27 | XavierGr | Slasheri: My first encounter with your new changes isn't so good... |
| 21:25:57 | XavierGr | Crossfade doesn't happens alwasy on mix. |
| 21:26:23 | XavierGr | well I will test more to be sure, does it need to restart the whole unit to apply changes? |
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| 21:27:37 | Slasher | XavierGr: no, but it has still some bugs |
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| 21:28:17 | Slasher | fade-in/out delay specifies how much to wait before starting the fading. Only one of them should be set |
| 21:28:49 | amiconn | Slasher: The fade delay settings are an ideal candidate for a true numeric setting now |
| 21:29:40 | Slasher | Hmm, what do you mean with "true numeric"? |
| 21:30:08 | amiconn | Use set_int() instead of an option list |
| 21:30:16 | Slasher | ah! |
| 21:30:19 | Slasher | that sounds good |
| 21:30:31 | amiconn | It seems I need to hurry committing my soud setting changes |
| 21:30:45 | Slasher | In fact i wanted to but i couldn't figure out how to print the s-prefix |
| 21:30:45 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 21:30:45 | * | amiconn wouldn't like to encounter a cvs conflict |
| 21:31:11 | Slasher | oh, i mean suffix |
| 21:31:14 | amiconn | I can take a look - when I committed the sound settings thing |
| 21:31:23 | Slasher | that's good :) |
| 21:31:27 | XavierGr | so one must be set to 0 and another to whatever I want? |
| 21:31:44 | Slasher | XavierGr: yes, or both to 0 |
| 21:31:50 | Slasher | the fade duration settings are more important |
| 21:32:16 | Slasher | and fade out duration combined with fade out delay specifies how large the pcm buffer will be |
| 21:33:56 | XavierGr | but if both fade delay is set to 0 then no crossfade appears |
| 21:34:16 | XavierGr | ^are |
| 21:34:49 | Slasher | no, if both are set to 0, then fading out and in happens at the same time |
| 21:34:59 | XavierGr | Oh I think I got it now, now only on track change option remains :) |
| 21:35:06 | XavierGr | Got to run. |
| 21:35:09 | Slasher | hehe :) |
| 21:35:52 | XavierGr | Seriously though I think this is important IMHO, talk it about with the other devs and if it is easy I would be obligued. |
| 21:36:21 | Slasher | yes, it is quite easy to do |
| 21:36:22 | * | _FireFly_ has maybe made a good wps-widget |
| 21:38:53 | amiconn | Slasher: Iiuc, if only one of the delay should be set, and they define some kind of shift, couldn't they be combined into one setting? |
| 21:39:31 | amiconn | I.e., a setting that allows positive and negative values |
| 21:39:33 | preglow | if one of them must always be zero, then surely you can make one setting instead of two? |
| 21:39:38 | preglow | exactly |
| 21:44:16 | Slasher | amiconn: Yes, they could. We just need to figure out a name for that setting then :) |
| 21:44:34 | amiconn | Crossfade offset? |
| 21:44:49 | Slasher | Hmm, sounds really good! |
| 21:44:59 | Slasher | I will change that soon, now i have to go :) |
| 21:45:22 | * | amiconn prods Bagder |
| 21:45:31 | amiconn | Any news concerning l10n v2? |
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| 21:55:42 | amiconn | bbl |
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| 22:15:10 | ]RowaN[ | guys i backed up my config before upgrading to todays rockbox, all my settings were kept apart from the limits of files viewed in the tree, is that a bug? |
| 22:15:28 | ]RowaN[ | i.e. max number of files in directory browser |
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| 22:20:26 | ]RowaN[ | ah seems ok after a reboot |
| 22:21:22 | ]RowaN[ | i love the new crossfade options.. would be cool to be able to set it a bit more accuratly tho.. i.e. 0.5 seconds fade out would be good rather than 1 sec |
| 22:21:23 | muesli- | re |
| 22:21:42 | ]RowaN[ | 1 second is longer than you think =] |
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| 22:41:09 | amiconn | Waargh! :( |
| 22:41:24 | preglow | what |
| 22:42:04 | amiconn | How the flaming hell did the folder navigation default become the enabled state?? |
| 22:42:25 | JAJDude | Hi - there may be a defect with the latest builds..I have a playlist of over 14,000 tracks, but I get a "Playlist bufferfull" error |
| 22:42:26 | amiconn | Back when it was 'skip to next folder' the default was off |
| 22:43:00 | JAJDude | I've checked the max playlist setting - I've got that on 20,000 - but I only see 10,000 tracks in the playlist |
| 22:43:14 | * | amiconn is really upset |
| 22:44:42 | preglow | what? |
| 22:44:50 | preglow | what is this directory navigation option? |
| 22:45:05 | preglow | i can't remember ever having seen it |
| 22:45:05 | amiconn | This was another len0x special :( |
| 22:45:05 | preglow | hahah |
| 22:45:11 | preglow | he's big on discussing his changes, isn't he |
| 22:45:21 | amiconn | Got committed Wed Nov 2 22:32:03 2005 UTC |
| 22:45:36 | amiconn | It's the extension of 'skip to next folder' |
| 22:45:37 | preglow | but again, what is this option? |
| 22:46:50 | preglow | and extends it how? |
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| 22:47:07 | preglow | riiight, think i get it |
| 22:47:13 | preglow | no i don't, apparently |
| 22:47:15 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/settings.c?r1=1.309&r2=1.310 |
| 22:48:26 | preglow | feel free to revert it, and include a 'please discuss default changes in the future' in the commit message |
| 22:49:52 | amiconn | On my way home I had this option on inadvertently, because I put on a new build before that did reset the setting (because of Slasher's config bump), and of course my .cfg file didn't contain a value for it |
| 22:53:27 | preglow | strange how it interacts with playlist based usager |
| 22:53:29 | preglow | usage |
| 22:53:47 | preglow | linuxstb: got any timeline on when you'll commit the ipod changes? :> |
| 22:53:51 | linuxstb | How is "folder navigation" different to "skip to next folder" ? |
| 22:54:22 | linuxstb | preglow: It's quite hard to commit my current tree without introducing lots of hacks into the main Rockbox source. |
| 22:54:28 | amiconn | It does the same as skip to next folder, and in addition allows skipping through folders forward & backward |
| 22:54:47 | linuxstb | So I'm working on cleaning the source a little - it's not that bad now. |
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| 22:55:51 | linuxstb | Why is it an option to allow skipping through folders? |
| 22:56:20 | linuxstb | If I understand it right, the old option meant that Rockbox would automatically go to the next folder. |
| 22:56:28 | amiconn | Yes |
| 22:56:33 | amiconn | That it still does |
| 22:56:43 | amiconn | In addition, it allows to skip folders manually |
| 22:56:58 | linuxstb | But why would you want to disable the ability to manually skip folders? |
| 22:57:21 | JAJDude | Looks like that new "folder navigation" setting caused my laylist problem - I turned it off and I now have the full 14987 tracks in my playlist instead of being limited to 10,000 |
| 22:57:54 | amiconn | It seems to be a hack... |
| 22:59:14 | * | amiconn calls the cvs masters |
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| 23:12:54 | preglow | linuxstb_: what kind of hacks? |
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| 23:33:10 | linuxstb | preglow: I'm probably overstating it by saying my code is full of hacks. It's mainly just full of incomplete or obviously broken code. |
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| 23:35:59 | linuxstb | But the only work I've done since getting ATA working yesterday is cleaning it up, so it's not far from being good enough to commit. |
| 23:36:10 | preglow | looking forward to it |
| 23:36:18 | linuxstb | Are you planning to go shopping soon? |
| 23:36:44 | preglow | soon and soon |
| 23:36:46 | preglow | perhaps in a months time |
| 23:39:05 | linuxstb | Any progress with the lpc_restore_wide routine? |
| 23:39:47 | linuxstb | Did you decide to implement it to 16-bit accuracy, or are you going for the full 24-bits? |
| 23:40:22 | preglow | full 24 bits |
| 23:40:36 | preglow | and no, no progress, i got tied up doing some non-rockbox code |
| 23:40:51 | preglow | besides, i don't understand what's wrong with it :/ |
| 23:44:48 | preglow | just working on a hack to make musepack output non-interleaved right now |
| 23:44:54 | preglow | finish that, and i'll see what i can do |
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| 23:48:38 | preglow | it also turns out i've been wasting almost 10kb of iram |
| 23:48:49 | preglow | so musepack will be faster still |
| 23:48:59 | RotAtoR | hooray! |
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| 23:49:12 | jochen_ | good evening, night or whatever time of the day it may be for you. ;) |
| 23:49:25 | amiconn | almost midnight :) |
| 23:49:30 | _FireFly_ | :) |
| 23:49:36 | jochen_ | yeah, here too. |
| 23:49:42 | jochen_ | <−− germany btw |
| 23:49:44 | amiconn | Small wonder ;) |
| 23:49:50 | jochen_ | y? |
| 23:49:52 | _FireFly_ | ;) |
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| 23:50:01 | _FireFly_ | germany, too ;) |
| 23:50:08 | amiconn | <= german too |
| 23:50:15 | jochen_ | krass. *gg* |
| 23:50:24 | jochen_ | sry |
| 23:50:55 | jochen_ | well, i've got some bad news. well, actually it's only bad news for ME. ;) |
| 23:51:32 | jochen_ | i just cvs-upped and compiled the new version and now i get a screen showing "no files". |
| 23:51:45 | jochen_ | ...every time i start the player |
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| 23:52:35 | amiconn | Perhaps you have a weird file filter activated? Check the 'show files' setting |
| 23:52:54 | jochen_ | i don't even get there. it just hangs showing that screen. |
| 23:53:06 | amiconn | oops |
| 23:53:09 | jochen_ | jep. |
| 23:53:20 | jochen_ | the ori-firmware works fine. |
| 23:54:11 | linuxstb | Have you tried downloading an official bleeding edge build? |
| 23:54:32 | jochen_ | err, no, not yet. |
| 23:54:42 | jochen_ | could be worth a trial. ;) |
| 23:55:09 | linuxstb | Which player do you have - Archos or iriver? |
| 23:55:13 | amiconn | What unit, btw? |
| 23:55:16 | amiconn | :) |
| 23:55:28 | jochen_ | h120 |
| 23:55:29 | linuxstb | A question so important it was asked twice. |
| 23:55:49 | jochen_ | *gg* didn't even think about it being of any importance. |
| 23:56:15 | preglow | it is of some importance... |
| 23:56:35 | jochen_ | well, obviously. ;) |
| 23:56:59 | jochen_ | hmm, well, the bleeding-edge build works fine. |
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