| 00:00:05 | San | or just reinstall rockbox |
| 00:00:10 | LinusN | then what is the password for? |
| 00:00:30 | San | for stopping people use the DAP if it gets lost or something |
| 00:00:36 | San | or if you dont want people using it |
| 00:01:38 | Cassandra | _FireFly_: I think you'd better build a cross-compiler and build a player build for yourself. |
| 00:02:39 | Cassandra | San, surely they can just use the iRiver firmware too? |
| 00:02:57 | San | well |
| 00:03:13 | San | would someone who never user rb know to hold down the record button? |
| 00:03:41 | amiconn | simple to find out |
| 00:03:48 | San | not really |
| 00:03:57 | San | cause they would think it is just default |
| 00:04:04 | amiconn | See the bootloader display the word 'rockbox', google for it, ... |
| 00:04:11 | San | yeah |
| 00:04:18 | San | meh... |
| 00:04:21 | San | just an idea |
| 00:04:35 | San | or password protect folders, is that pushing it? |
| 00:04:36 | Bagder | you're number 212 with that idea |
| 00:04:37 | San | :P |
| 00:04:40 | Bagder | we've shot it down every time |
| 00:04:45 | San | lol, ok |
| 00:04:46 | San | :D |
| 00:04:49 | Bagder | :-) |
| 00:05:01 | San | i'm just excited about the H300 port |
| 00:05:23 | amiconn | San: If you're going to implement filesystem encryption... ;-) |
| 00:05:31 | San | lol |
| 00:06:20 | _FireFly_ | can i use gcc 3.4.x also for sh-gcc ?? |
| 00:06:26 | amiconn | linuxstb: The colour screendump() seems to be buggy - I'll take a look at it |
| 00:06:35 | San | GTG |
| 00:06:36 | San | reboot |
| 00:06:41 | | Quit San () |
| 00:07:06 | Bagder | _FireFly_: you can, but 3.3.x produces smaller code for sh |
| 00:07:42 | | Quit PaulJ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 00:07:55 | _FireFly_ | k |
| 00:07:56 | Cassandra | Since you're unlikely to ever run on target, it doesn't really make that much difference. |
| 00:08:27 | amiconn | ...but it doesn't make much difference which one you build |
| 00:08:37 | amiconn | In fact 3.3.x might take less space |
| 00:08:46 | Mordov_ | how do I use a patch file? |
| 00:08:58 | _FireFly_ | cd /rockbox |
| 00:09:09 | _FireFly_ | patch -p1 < <patch-file> |
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| 00:09:29 | Cassandra | *nod* |
| 00:09:30 | Bagder | Mordov_: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
| 00:09:35 | Mordov_ | :) |
| 00:10:04 | Mordov_ | thanks guys,, this page is actualy helpfull.. witch one can not say abaout other "info" sites |
| 00:10:53 | linuxstb | amiconn: It worked - but has the shifting problem (i.e. white not staying white). I think it should be re-written to output rgb565 instead of truecolor |
| 00:11:08 | amiconn | Yes, that's what I'll do |
| 00:11:17 | linuxstb | Or, it used to work: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/screendump.bmp |
| 00:11:20 | aliask | Oh well, off to school... :( |
| 00:11:28 | amiconn | It also does *not* work on the win32 sim, the colours are all off |
| 00:11:36 | | Quit aliask ("Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0.6/20050717]") |
| 00:11:47 | amiconn | Looks like an endian issue, swap16() is certainly wrong there... |
| 00:11:54 | linuxstb | Ah yes. Of course. |
| 00:12:10 | linuxstb | It's fine for the ipod, but not the h300. |
| 00:12:26 | Bagder | but ipod uses the same endian as win32 |
| 00:12:43 | amiconn | No, the swap16 is needed for H300 and iPod targets. The sims need it depending on endianess |
| 00:12:52 | amiconn | BMP is little endian |
| 00:13:14 | Bagder | ipod is little endian |
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| 00:13:18 | Bagder | and so is win32 |
| 00:13:28 | LinusN | but not h300 |
| 00:13:29 | amiconn | Bagder: Yes, but the lcd data is byteswapped on ipod targets |
| 00:13:32 | linuxstb | The ipod's frame-buffer is big-endian. |
| 00:13:36 | Bagder | ah |
| 00:13:41 | amiconn | so: |
| 00:13:50 | Bagder | how amusing ;-) |
| 00:14:01 | LinusN | swap16()? |
| 00:14:20 | LinusN | should be h2be16() or something? |
| 00:14:30 | linuxstb | I think it's clearer to use CONFIG_LCD |
| 00:14:40 | amiconn | CONFIG_LCD *and* endianess |
| 00:15:05 | linuxstb | I'm assuming htole16 will be needed to write the bmp |
| 00:15:07 | amiconn | we need to swap if either the platform is big endian or it has an ipod lcd, otherwise not |
| 00:15:42 | Bagder | and btw |
| 00:15:49 | Bagder | XPutImage() is the key for the x11 sim |
| 00:16:44 | LinusN | damn! pushed enter too early, and committed a serious amount of rubbish :-( |
| 00:17:20 | Bagder | ouch |
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| 00:18:35 | Bagder | (the xscreensaver's fireworkx.c is excellent to get a grip on how to adjust the x11 sim for colors) |
| 00:20:52 | | Part petur |
| 00:21:41 | Bagder | gdnght |
| 00:21:56 | _FireFly_ | night |
| 00:24:00 | linuxstb_ | Does anyone know what character encoding I should use in a javascript file - for alert messsages? |
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| 00:25:51 | amiconn | linuxstb: I guess the same that is used in the webpage - I only ever used ISO8859-1 |
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| 00:31:28 | amiconn | linuxstb: Hmm, the 16bit bmp format is not the same as the 16bit lcd format |
| 00:31:50 | amiconn | I get roughly correct colours, but with a lot of greenish artefacts |
| 00:31:57 | amiconn | I guess it's actually 15 bit |
| 00:32:21 | linuxstb_ | Have you specified the bit masks? |
| 00:32:32 | linuxstb_ | The doc that I read mentioned rgb555 and rgb565 |
| 00:33:01 | linuxstb_ | And I think you're right about the encoding - my webpage was utf-8 and the javascript had to be utf-8 as well. |
| 00:33:32 | linuxstb_ | So if you're saying you use iso-8859-1, then the encoding of the html page seems to be used. |
| 00:34:44 | amiconn | Ah, thanks for the bitmasks tip. Overlooked that so far, but it's exactly what msdn says (regarding to the bitmapinfoheader, but that matches bmp) |
| 00:35:07 | amiconn | Special case for the preprocessor magic... |
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| 00:40:30 | Cassandra | Right - that's my good deed for the day done, I'm off to bed. |
| 00:40:53 | Cassandra | _FireFly_, I'll have another go with your patch tomorrow when you've got it fixed. |
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| 00:41:59 | San | sooo....H300 Progress, boot, and file browser, right? |
| 00:42:02 | San | anything else? |
| 00:42:22 | mongey | able to use remote? |
| 00:42:34 | San | oh, yeah |
| 00:42:35 | LinusN | yes |
| 00:42:54 | San | can we download the source of rockbox.org? |
| 00:42:56 | | Quit ender` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 00:43:05 | mongey | LinusN: can a wps be made |
| 00:43:13 | _FireFly_ | Cassandra: k |
| 00:43:17 | Cassandra | Bah, would someone make my tag on the Rockbox forums say something other than "Newbie", please? |
| 00:43:31 | _FireFly_ | make more posts there ;) |
| 00:43:50 | linuxstb_ | And then you become "Newbie that talks a lot" |
| 00:43:52 | San | GTG |
| 00:43:59 | | Nick San is now known as San||Away (n=Test@212.2.176.85) |
| 00:44:45 | mongey | can a wps be made for the h3x0 |
| 00:45:49 | * | Cassandra pulls faces at Firefly. Every second spent posting is a second I'm not working on Rockbox. |
| 00:46:29 | _FireFly_ | have to go good night |
| 00:47:07 | | Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") |
| 00:47:20 | Cassandra | Night all. |
| 00:47:26 | mongey | Cassandra: wait |
| 00:47:33 | Cassandra | OK |
| 00:47:37 | mongey | Cassandra: what are you working on |
| 00:48:08 | Cassandra | Tonight I've been looking at submitted WPSes and _firefly's_ wps-widget patch. |
| 00:48:25 | Cassandra | Yesterday I did some work on making it possible to revert to the default WPS. |
| 00:48:36 | mongey | but are u working on the iriver h120 |
| 00:48:38 | Cassandra | At some point I really ought to get around to updating the manual. |
| 00:48:47 | Cassandra | Primarily, yes. |
| 00:48:53 | Cassandra | I tinker with lots of stuff. |
| 00:49:04 | mongey | will u work on the h3x0 |
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| 00:49:10 | amiconn | linuxstb: Works like a charm now, will commit soon :) |
| 00:49:20 | Cassandra | If you buy me an H3xx. :) |
| 00:49:33 | dew_ | LinusN: congrats on the new progress!! |
| 00:49:34 | * | mongey thinks |
| 00:50:05 | mongey | well if im 14 and have no money ill safe up for you |
| 00:50:13 | ashridah | heh. too many people know where LinusN hangs out :) |
| 00:50:14 | mongey | lol |
| 00:50:35 | dew_ | I wuv you!!! :-* LinusN |
| 00:50:36 | dew_ | hehe |
| 00:50:40 | mongey | one more question |
| 00:50:45 | Cassandra | A lot of the H1xx work *is* H3xx work. I tend to concentrate on the interface, which is less platform specific anyway. |
| 00:51:08 | Cassandra | I don't enjoy pain enough to attempt to understand the audio code. |
| 00:51:11 | mongey | when will it be possible to make a wps for the h3x0 |
| 00:51:26 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Nice. Shaves 33% of the size of the files as well. |
| 00:51:32 | LinusN | mongey: you can make it now if you wish |
| 00:51:35 | amiconn | Yes, ~76KB now |
| 00:51:40 | amiconn | ...and less code |
| 00:51:49 | linuxstb_ | s/of/off/ |
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| 00:51:54 | LinusN | mongey: you just won't be able to use it |
| 00:52:13 | Cassandra | (Or colours, I suspect.) |
| 00:52:28 | Cassandra | (Since we don't even have greyscale WPS working yet.) |
| 00:53:29 | mongey | LinusN: will there be a long wait until colour |
| 00:53:46 | linuxstb_ | mongey: Rockbox already has colour - black and blue. |
| 00:53:48 | LinusN | mongey: i have no idea |
| 00:54:08 | mongey | lol |
| 00:54:12 | amiconn | Not to forget the original ROCKbox logo :) |
| 00:54:19 | mongey | black and blue..... |
| 00:54:26 | mongey | LinusN: u rule |
| 00:55:11 | Cassandra | Anyway, I really must sleep. Well done on the H3xx, Linus. |
| 00:55:26 | Mordov_ | is my roms or is there noe sound on the gamboy emulator? |
| 00:55:47 | LinusN | there is no sound |
| 00:55:52 | Mordov_ | ok :) |
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| 00:56:08 | preglow | urgh |
| 00:56:11 | Mordov_ | is someone paning to make the emulator works while palying music? |
| 00:56:25 | mongey | how long has it been since the h120 bootloader is done |
| 00:56:25 | Mordov_ | I think I'm gona like to have tetris on the bus,,, |
| 00:56:50 | LinusN | Mordov_: no, the cpu is not fast enough |
| 00:57:06 | mongey | would it be for the h3x0 |
| 00:57:09 | Mordov_ | ah ok :) hard choise :) |
| 00:57:29 | amiconn | LinusN: It should be is someone gets around implementing the cpu emulator core in asm |
| 00:57:39 | amiconn | ...or finish dynarec |
| 00:58:00 | linuxstb_ | lack of IRAM could be a problem though |
| 00:58:02 | * | amiconn prods HCl |
| 00:58:06 | mongey | if only i could help |
| 00:58:36 | amiconn | Ah, LinusN' remark was to whether it will run in parallel with playing music |
| 00:59:10 | amiconn | That's not possible imho |
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| 01:03:49 | XavierGr | but it should be possible to play the emulators music no? |
| 01:03:57 | XavierGr | games music that is. |
| 01:04:46 | LinusN | cube.rock looks cool in color |
| 01:04:47 | amiconn | Yes, provided we get the emulator core above realtime speed |
| 01:05:10 | mongey | u got it to work? |
| 01:05:34 | LinusN | didn't have to change it at all |
| 01:05:55 | mongey | cool |
| 01:06:03 | amiconn | LinusN: A remark regarding you erroneous commit - I hope you'll change your ata led define before the final version. |
| 01:06:10 | amiconn | There already is a led define |
| 01:06:11 | preglow | LinusN: man, congrats on the h300 boot, outstanding work! |
| 01:06:36 | amiconn | The cube works in colour because it was already prepared to |
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| 01:07:37 | LinusN | amiconn: do you have a better name suggestion? |
| 01:07:47 | amiconn | [01:06:15] <amiconn> There already is a led define <== |
| 01:08:00 | amiconn | Check player, recorder, ondio... |
| 01:08:15 | mongey | LinusN: when was the bootloader done for the h120 |
| 01:08:57 | LinusN | linus@linus:~/rockbox-all$ grep ATA_LED firmware/export/config-*.h |
| 01:08:57 | LinusN | firmware/export/config-h100.h:#define HAVE_ATA_LED_CTRL |
| 01:08:57 | LinusN | firmware/export/config-h120.h:#define HAVE_ATA_LED_CTRL |
| 01:09:01 | * | mongey feels like jumpin around |
| 01:09:28 | amiconn | LinusN: |
| 01:09:30 | amiconn | Ondio: |
| 01:09:31 | amiconn | /* Virtual LED (icon) */ |
| 01:09:31 | amiconn | #define CONFIG_LED LED_VIRTUAL |
| 01:09:48 | amiconn | Recorder etc: |
| 01:09:49 | amiconn | /* Software controlled LED */ |
| 01:09:49 | amiconn | #define CONFIG_LED LED_REAL |
| 01:09:54 | LinusN | and? |
| 01:10:20 | amiconn | If H300 has a controllable LED, it's the same as Recorder, player... |
| 01:10:31 | LinusN | h300 has no led at all |
| 01:10:50 | LinusN | h100 has a port pin that enabled the ata led |
| 01:10:59 | LinusN | which isn't present in h300 |
| 01:11:03 | amiconn | Ah ok |
| 01:11:19 | amiconn | Misunderstanding on my side then |
| 01:11:41 | mongey | linus how long till u(genral) can patch the iriver firmware |
| 01:11:59 | amiconn | If so, we could add the virtual LED in the status bar |
| 01:12:43 | LinusN | the h300 lcd driver is sloooooooooooooow |
| 01:12:52 | amiconn | Hmm? |
| 01:13:28 | amiconn | Which part/ function? |
| 01:13:31 | LinusN | a lot more data to transfer to the lcd |
| 01:14:29 | preglow | it's connected to the bus, i take it? |
| 01:14:35 | LinusN | yes |
| 01:14:41 | mongey | LinusN: can u post more pics of the h3x0 like going througt the songd or the cube thing |
| 01:14:48 | preglow | haha |
| 01:14:50 | mongey | *songs |
| 01:14:55 | preglow | let him use his time for coding, at least |
| 01:15:04 | preglow | you'll have it soon enough anyway |
| 01:15:04 | mongey | kk |
| 01:15:19 | preglow | at least, it certainly looks like you will |
| 01:15:45 | preglow | do any other coders actually have h3x0s? |
| 01:16:14 | mongey | well not now but if you happen to have a camera in your hand and it going throught the stuff |
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| 01:19:32 | Febs | Hello Mongey |
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| 01:19:47 | LinusN | Benji22589: not a single soul :-) |
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| 01:26:55 | LinusN | unfortunately, the h300 frame buffer doesn't fit in iram |
| 01:28:13 | preglow | how big? |
| 01:28:23 | LinusN | 76k |
| 01:28:26 | preglow | god damn |
| 01:28:37 | amiconn | No, but I've moved some things into iram that should go there because they're used a lot |
| 01:29:12 | LinusN | lcd_update can be optimized for burst dram reads |
| 01:30:24 | amiconn | Yes, but that requires either complex handling, or aligning the framebuffer mod 16 |
| 01:31:06 | amiconn | Hmm, the complex handling will be neccessary anyway |
| 01:31:17 | amiconn | Not too complex though |
| 01:31:23 | amiconn | Way less than memcpy |
| 01:31:38 | LinusN | aligning the frame buffer shouldn't be a problem |
| 01:31:52 | LinusN | oops, total freeze at 124MHz :-) |
| 01:32:24 | markun_ | Any idea what kind of IC a CL245A by Texas Instruments could be? |
| 01:32:41 | amiconn | No but the line lengths aren't multiples of 16, so aligning would only help a tiny bit for fullscreen updates |
| 01:33:12 | LinusN | why do the line lenghts matter? |
| 01:33:36 | LinusN | the h300 lcd_update is just a 76byte transfer |
| 01:33:50 | LinusN | kbyte |
| 01:33:53 | amiconn | Yes, but there's also lcd_update_rect() |
| 01:34:00 | LinusN | that's another thins |
| 01:34:02 | LinusN | thing |
| 01:34:26 | LinusN | mandelbrot crashed :-( |
| 01:34:40 | amiconn | Yes of course |
| 01:34:52 | amiconn | mandelbrot shouldn't be built for h300 in the first place |
| 01:35:03 | amiconn | Currently it requires the grayscale lib |
| 01:35:11 | amiconn | For lcd_update_rect() the handling of partial leading/trailing lines is necessary anyway |
| 01:35:38 | amiconn | ...so if we have that, it doesn't matter whether we use it for the full update too |
| 01:35:38 | LinusN | starfield looks coool |
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| 01:37:27 | amiconn | IRAM changes committed. |
| 01:45:57 | LinusN | there is also a high-speed mode for lcd transfer, but it requires that the transfers are multiples of 4 words |
| 01:47:29 | LinusN | if they had designed the bus interface a little different, we could have been able to write longwords to the lcd |
| 01:47:58 | LinusN | the bus controller would have translated it to 2 16-bit writes |
| 01:49:30 | linuxstb_ | Do you know if the audio on the H300 limited to 44.1KHz ? |
| 01:50:07 | LinusN | yes, that's a limitation of the coldfire cpu itself |
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| 01:51:32 | linuxstb_ | So the iAudio M3 will have the same limitation? |
| 01:51:37 | LinusN | yes |
| 01:52:14 | ashridah | how does the cpu itself limit audio output? the special purpose routines won't output 48KHz? |
| 01:53:24 | LinusN | ashridah: the IIS can't be clocked at 48kHz |
| 01:53:44 | ashridah | ah |
| 01:53:45 | LinusN | due to the internal clock dividers |
| 01:54:12 | markun_ | preglow: I don't know if the ipod can handle other freqs than 44.1kHz, but if it does the crossfeed delay has to be addapted |
| 01:55:33 | preglow | probably |
| 01:55:54 | preglow | we'll have to resample in that case anyway |
| 01:56:07 | linuxstb_ | markun: Yes, it can support a range of frequencies up to 96KHz. |
| 01:56:13 | amiconn | LinusN: Do my changes have any effect? |
| 01:56:31 | LinusN | yes, it's a tad faster |
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| 01:56:48 | preglow | LinusN: is the lcd transfer noticably slow? |
| 01:57:13 | amiconn | I expect it to be, with the framebuffer in DRAM... |
| 01:57:22 | markun_ | preglow: do you perhaps know what a CL245 is? |
| 01:57:56 | LinusN | markun_: how many pins? |
| 01:58:00 | preglow | markun_: can't say i do |
| 01:58:26 | markun_ | LinusN: let me check.. |
| 01:58:52 | markun_ | 16 I think: http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/1092/wm22uq.jpg |
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| 02:00:02 | amiconn | markun_: It's a 74LCX245 or 74LVX245 compatible, methinks |
| 02:00:12 | markun_ | And next to the USB ATA bridge controller there are 3 identical ICs with P003 526AA, also wonder what that could be |
| 02:00:21 | linuxstb_ | preglow: I don't know if you noticed, but the Rockbox wiki already has the datasheet for our LCD driver. |
| 02:00:25 | amiconn | 8bit bidirectional transceiver |
| 02:00:26 | linuxstb_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/e789r_101.pdf |
| 02:01:21 | preglow | linuxstb_: no, i've been pretty busy with personal stuff today |
| 02:01:26 | preglow | nice |
| 02:01:33 | amiconn | markun_: http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/sn74cbtlv3245a.pdf |
| 02:01:48 | markun_ | amiconn: thanks! |
| 02:01:57 | amiconn | Google, 2nd hit... |
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| 02:02:17 | LinusN | amiconn: 20 pins... |
| 02:02:21 | amiconn | Yes |
| 02:02:38 | LinusN | the chip on the pcb has 16 |
| 02:02:44 | amiconn | No, 20 |
| 02:02:56 | amiconn | 8 on each long side, 2 on each short side |
| 02:03:24 | markun | yes, now I see them |
| 02:03:26 | LinusN | ah..... |
| 02:03:34 | amiconn | LinusN: In fact some drawing functions could also make use of burst mode (fillrect, bitmap drawing) |
| 02:04:24 | LinusN | yes |
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| 02:04:49 | LinusN | the browser looks nice in 3 colors |
| 02:05:10 | Mordov_ | I stehre som way to tyrn of the Hold stopp buton power off function? |
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| 02:05:14 | |joshn| | Linus: so the bootloader is done? |
| 02:05:23 | |joshn| | where mere mortals can start helping? |
| 02:05:40 | LinusN | soon |
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| 02:20:06 | LinusN | time to sleep |
| 02:20:08 | LinusN | nite all |
| 02:20:35 | markun | good night LinusN |
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| 02:23:05 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: I think your new screen_dump will fail in one rare case - a big-endian ipod simulator. |
| 02:23:14 | amiconn | nopwe |
| 02:23:30 | amiconn | The lcd type defines aren't defined for simulators |
| 02:23:53 | amiconn | In fact even if they were they wouldn't fail |
| 02:24:11 | amiconn | big endian simulators need to swap, as does the target |
| 02:24:47 | amiconn | Little endian simulators would fail if the lcd type macros were defined for the sims |
| 02:25:11 | preglow | bedtime, later all |
| 02:25:38 | XavierGr | well good night from me too, later all! |
| 02:28:41 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: OK. I understand it now. |
| 02:30:12 | linuxstb_ | Your LCD commit has simplified it a lot. |
| 02:31:36 | amiconn | yeps |
| 02:31:48 | amiconn | It even helps TiMiD's multiscreen code |
| 02:31:58 | amiconn | Only one datatype for the background |
| 02:33:35 | linuxstb_ | Are the scroll functions only implemented in the greyscale lib? |
| 02:33:49 | amiconn | So far, yes |
| 02:34:09 | amiconn | Scrolling isn't needed in the core, so it isn't implemented there |
| 02:34:31 | linuxstb_ | OK. That wasn't clear from the GraphicsAPI wiki page. |
| 02:35:07 | amiconn | Hmm, note 3) isn't clear enough? |
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| 02:35:54 | linuxstb_ | Not really :) |
| 02:39:02 | amiconn | I'll probably add scrolling to the plugin lib, but after implementing asm memmove() :-) |
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| 02:44:43 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: So would hardware scrolling in the LCD driver be useful? |
| 02:44:58 | linuxstb_ | - I'm talking about the ipod drivers. |
| 02:46:19 | amiconn | Perhaps. The framebuffer would still have to be scrolled in sync, so you merely save the transfer |
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| 03:33:02 | Kyl3 | so like outta 100%, how far along is the bootloader/firmware pather |
| 03:33:09 | Kyl3 | patcher* |
| 03:33:49 | Kyl3 | for the h300 |
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| 04:35:48 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 04:40:18 | Jungti1234 | How much is boot loader the work progress rate? |
| 04:47:27 | Jungti1234 | About H300 |
| 04:50:29 | Jungti1234 | Is no one here? |
| 04:52:59 | ashridah | Jungti1234: it's 4-5am in europe |
| 04:53:16 | ashridah | that tends to put a damper on the activity of the developers |
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| 05:01:59 | Jungti1234 | ashridah : I'm information about one gigabeat. |
| 05:02:09 | Jungti1234 | Who do you speak to? |
| 05:02:28 | Jungti1234 | -> Who do I speak to? |
| 05:05:07 | ashridah | i have no idea |
| 05:05:25 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 05:06:21 | Jungti1234 | Where do you live? |
| 05:06:37 | ashridah | australia |
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| 05:07:50 | Jungti1234 | In what city? |
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| 05:41:45 | Jungti1234 | Helloooo |
| 05:43:08 | Jungti1234 | http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semiconductor/MobileSDRAM/MobileSDRSDRAM/256Mbit/K4S56163PF/K4S56163PF.htm |
| 05:43:34 | Jungti1234 | It seems to be RAM that is used to gigabeat. |
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| 06:23:54 | Jungti1234 | :D Got much informations. |
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| 06:32:58 | Jungti1234 | Does not here have person who is interested to 'Gigabeat'? |
| 06:33:28 | Jungti1234 | Or is it early time yet? |
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| 07:28:17 | Jungti1234 | Does not here have person who is interested to 'Gigabeat'? |
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| 07:28:36 | ashridah | there are people, they're just not awake |
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| 07:29:07 | Jungti1234 | hehe.. |
| 07:29:15 | modafroman | so..... h300 rockbox..... |
| 07:29:49 | Jungti1234 | yes? |
| 07:30:19 | modafroman | how far do you guys reckon it is from being download-able? |
| 07:31:14 | ashridah | modafroman: not much point asking atm, the only person who has any idea is LinusN and he's probably still asleep |
| 07:31:24 | modafroman | ahh.. i see |
| 07:31:30 | modafroman | damn australian time zones :| |
| 07:32:23 | Jungti1234 | korean time zones too |
| 07:33:06 | modafroman | seems it could be released soon, coz if the everything is basically the same as the h100.... |
| 07:33:09 | ashridah | couple of hours should see some activity |
| 07:33:17 | modafroman | mk |
| 07:33:22 | ashridah | modafroman: there are some differences that need addressing |
| 07:33:33 | modafroman | such as? |
| 07:34:03 | ashridah | the LCD still needs work, the bootloader probably isn't close to being releasable yet. i think there's some issues with the disk driver too, but i'm not sure on that front. |
| 07:34:14 | modafroman | i see. hrm |
| 07:35:31 | Jungti1234 | Do not seem to remain much. |
| 07:36:03 | Jungti1234 | Work was gone much. |
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| 08:06:29 | Jungti1234 | -_- |
| 08:07:12 | Jungti1234 | What is that person? |
| 08:07:22 | B4gder | what is who? |
| 08:07:38 | Jungti1234 | ancelot |
| 08:08:07 | B4gder | the world is full of "funny" people |
| 08:08:21 | Jungti1234 | hahaha :D |
| 08:08:40 | Jungti1234 | Embarrassed although there was interest. |
| 08:14:14 | _FireFly_ | Cassandra if you read this then i have successfully updated my wps-widget |
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| 08:15:37 | B4gder | no need to tell that, most devs are (or should be) subscribed to rockbox-sf |
| 08:15:53 | B4gder | we get mailed on all sf updates |
| 08:17:45 | _FireFly_ | k but sure is sure ;) |
| 08:17:51 | B4gder | true |
| 08:18:11 | amiconn | morning |
| 08:18:33 | B4gder | morning |
| 08:18:39 | _FireFly_ | i was a bad guy :) i had many compile-time related bugs left-off for charcell-lcd targets in my wps-widget |
| 08:18:43 | _FireFly_ | moin amiconn |
| 08:19:10 | Jungti1234 | Now, awake all. :) |
| 08:20:22 | _FireFly_ | gtg cu later all |
| 08:20:23 | amiconn | " repaired the h300 x11 sim build"? Nah, it won't be red anymore, but not really working either... |
| 08:20:35 | B4gder | the *build* |
| 08:20:47 | | Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") |
| 08:20:48 | B4gder | not the actual sim |
| 08:21:29 | B4gder | fixing the sim is only about fixing lcd_update() |
| 08:22:33 | amiconn | Yes, and adding a ton of strange code to handle the x11 part |
| 08:22:40 | B4gder | ? |
| 08:22:51 | amiconn | Apart from that, the fb definition isn't quite right |
| 08:22:51 | B4gder | yes we need x11 code |
| 08:22:58 | B4gder | like you need win32 code for the win sim |
| 08:23:04 | B4gder | how else would we do it? |
| 08:23:23 | amiconn | fb_data already is word size, so the LCD_WIDTH*2 is twice as much as needed |
| 08:24:11 | B4gder | true |
| 08:25:13 | amiconn | Why not just add an #elif to the LCD_DEPTH one (some lines above)? |
| 08:25:52 | B4gder | feel free to improve it |
| 08:30:56 | amiconn | We do indeed need x11 code. What I wanted to say is that this x11 code is the major part of the work to fix the sim. I didn't see the point in repairing just the build without making it actually work |
| 08:31:19 | B4gder | I do |
| 08:31:38 | B4gder | since it being red already makes it less noticable when you break it someplace else |
| 08:31:38 | | Part kaouete |
| 08:32:06 | B4gder | having it break on purpose is no point |
| 08:33:38 | B4gder | plus, this makes it easier to fix the next problem |
| 08:34:10 | amiconn | Hmm. Regarding the noticeability, I usually check whether the numbers change in a yellow or red box |
| 08:34:36 | B4gder | a change in color is more noticable, you can hardly deny that ;-) |
| 08:34:49 | amiconn | Green somewhat suggests it will work, and as the actual status isn't documented elsewhere... |
| 08:35:11 | B4gder | I disagree |
| 08:35:21 | B4gder | the ipod and h300 statuses are green too |
| 08:35:29 | B4gder | you want to break them too? |
| 08:36:06 | amiconn | Only ipod boot status is green, and the bootloader works afaik |
| 08:36:39 | B4gder | if you want the build to be red then go ahead break it |
| 08:36:44 | B4gder | I won't |
| 08:37:42 | amiconn | Nah, maybe you're right as it is the build status, but then where could one see the actual status? |
| 08:38:19 | B4gder | we have no such place really |
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| 08:46:56 | B4gder | the ipod seem got a few more errors... |
| 08:47:01 | B4gder | sim even |
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| 08:48:00 | Cassandra | Ah, just the person I was looking for. |
| 08:48:15 | Cassandra | You have an .rwps file I can test with? |
| 08:48:59 | B4gder | amiconn: does any header mention how the fb_data is used for the 16 bit lcds? |
| 08:49:11 | _FireFly_ | Cassandra yes i have |
| 08:50:04 | amiconn | B4gder: It's defined in lcd.h (unsigned short for 16bit LCD), but the actual format isn't documented in a header |
| 08:50:18 | amiconn | For both H300 and ipod it's RGB565 |
| 08:50:31 | Cassandra | I wish I understood why occasionally you have to redo the configure, despite no Makefiles having been changed. |
| 08:50:32 | B4gder | I was thinking about the actual bitpacking... thanks |
| 08:51:04 | amiconn | Hmm, I'm not quite right, you can deduce the format from teh LCD_RGBPACK() macro |
| 08:51:27 | B4gder | where's that? |
| 08:51:31 | amiconn | lcd.h |
| 08:51:55 | amiconn | Note that the ipod LCD byteswap is for target only, you can ignore it for the sims |
| 08:51:56 | B4gder | ah, I just typod when searching |
| 08:51:59 | Cassandra | _FireFly_, URL? |
| 08:52:33 | Slasheri | Hmm, this is interesting to solve. I have playlist->filenames (char **) to keep dircache pointers. But then there are qsort(playlist->indices, playlist->amount, sizeof(playlist->indices[0]), compare); and unforunately that can't arrange the filename pointers :/ |
| 08:53:09 | _FireFly_ | Cassandra home.arcor.de/mine-wps.zip |
| 08:53:15 | Slasheri | filenames has the same index as indices |
| 08:53:36 | B4gder | qsort() works on an array, so it sounds very possible to do that |
| 08:53:41 | amiconn | B4gder: Maybe it's necessary to make the remote lcd simulation a secondary window on x11. |
| 08:54:01 | B4gder | not necessary, but perhaps nicer |
| 08:54:02 | Slasheri | B4gder: Hmm.. maybe i could do that on the compare function? I have never really much used the qsort |
| 08:54:04 | amiconn | Afaiu you have to specify the colour mode of a window in x11 |
| 08:54:35 | _FireFly_ | Cassandra 12 px font hight |
| 08:54:45 | Cassandra | Thanks |
| 08:55:11 | Cassandra | Hmmm. Looks like the crossfeed patch broke logf builds somehow. |
| 08:55:30 | Jungti1234 | If change irc password, what should I do? |
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| 08:56:11 | amiconn | Cassandra: Yes the crossfeed routine needs one register too much. You can build it with -fomit-frame-pointer |
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| 08:56:32 | amiconn | B4gder: Any reason why this option isn't set for logf builds= |
| 08:56:35 | amiconn | ? even |
| 08:56:48 | B4gder | I don't remember |
| 08:56:55 | B4gder | any |
| 08:57:44 | Cassandra | amicon: OK. Someone should probably fix that at some point. |
| 08:57:59 | Cassandra | FSVO fix |
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| 09:00:35 | Cassandra | _FireFly_, that URL isn't right. |
| 09:01:16 | _FireFly_ | ups |
| 09:01:33 | _FireFly_ | sorry : home.arcor.de/s.wezel/mine-wps.zip |
| 09:02:14 | Cassandra | Ta |
| 09:03:23 | _FireFly_ | Cassandra it has my complete wps-set (main and remote) |
| 09:06:50 | amiconn | Bagder: My thoughts regarding wps'es and themes: |
| 09:06:55 | Cassandra | Looks good on the sim. Now to try a real build for Archos and iRiver. |
| 09:07:32 | amiconn | For proper themes we'll need multiple font support. Then the font(s) would be set in the .wps anyway. |
| 09:08:12 | amiconn | The status bar setting should be selectable within the .wps too, just for wps display, not influencing the main setting |
| 09:08:24 | _FireFly_ | i have a patch for this |
| 09:08:27 | _FireFly_ | amiconn |
| 09:08:28 | B4gder | in my eyes, a theme would cover more than just wps |
| 09:08:55 | B4gder | but I agree that multifont support will improve things |
| 09:09:04 | amiconn | Yes, right, e.g. a .wps and a .rwps and maybe also some main gui settings |
| 09:10:06 | amiconn | The status bar thing is easily fixable with a wps tag (force on/force off) |
| 09:10:19 | _FireFly_ | amiconn i have already a patch for this ;) |
| 09:10:26 | amiconn | yes this patch I mean |
| 09:10:33 | B4gder | the things that are for WPS only can easily be within the WPS, sure |
| 09:10:53 | _FireFly_ | i have updated the patch to work with my widget |
| 09:11:30 | _FireFly_ | i must only review it to see if it need some adjustments |
| 09:13:00 | amiconn | Ideally this should also allow to have status bar on in the main wps, but off in the rwps or vice versa |
| 09:13:16 | _FireFly_ | i had it already :) |
| 09:13:43 | _FireFly_ | i had also seperate options for the scrollbar and scrolling speed for the remote |
| 09:13:54 | _FireFly_ | in my unofficial remote-patch |
| 09:14:03 | Cassandra | Hmm - I can't seem to build for JBv2. My firmware is too big. |
| 09:14:09 | amiconn | Yeah, some remote lcd settings are still missing |
| 09:14:18 | amiconn | Not only scrolling, but also backlight |
| 09:14:31 | amiconn | Cassandra: make tools |
| 09:14:37 | Cassandra | Ah. |
| 09:15:21 | amiconn | The v2/fm can take 400KB firmwares instead of just 200KB, but you need the new scramble that knows about it |
| 09:16:00 | Cassandra | Didn't realise we'd actually hit that limit. |
| 09:16:18 | Cassandra | We're going to be in real trouble when the v1 hits 200k though I guess. |
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| 09:16:49 | LinusN | Cassandra: you might have to re-run "make" in tools/ |
| 09:17:01 | amiconn | LinusN: [09:14:41] <amiconn> Cassandra: make tools |
| 09:17:02 | Cassandra | Looks like I also need a new uclpack for ROMbox. Never mind - fix that later. |
| 09:17:32 | * | LinusN is tired |
| 09:17:39 | amiconn | Cassandra: For v1 we can compress the image. I'm already thinking about the way to implement it |
| 09:17:56 | _FireFly_ | there are currently some code twice due the fact that only some parts uses the new multiscreen-support |
| 09:18:06 | Cassandra | amiconn, cool. |
| 09:18:06 | Jungti1234 | hi LinusN |
| 09:18:07 | amiconn | Should be rather straightforward - just reuse the ucl compressed image and tack on a selfextractor stub |
| 09:18:17 | LinusN | _FireFly_: any ideas about the x11 sim? |
| 09:18:26 | LinusN | Jungti1234: hi |
| 09:18:44 | _FireFly_ | LinusN i hadn't much time to look at it |
| 09:19:03 | LinusN | wow, all h300 builds green, a sight for sore eyes :-) |
| 09:19:06 | Cassandra | Looks like the .rwps works fine with it. |
| 09:22:31 | Jungti1234 | LinusN: How much is boot loader the work progress rate? |
| 09:22:46 | LinusN | it's almost done |
| 09:23:00 | LinusN | i have one issue left - the USB mode |
| 09:23:17 | Jungti1234 | How much did not completion remain little? |
| 09:23:38 | LinusN | that sentence was hard to understand |
| 09:23:52 | Jungti1234 | :( sorry |
| 09:24:09 | Jungti1234 | Understand even if there is mistake in translation. |
| 09:24:39 | Cassandra | Scary. I'd actually forgotten where to plug in the headphones on my JBFM. |
| 09:25:09 | LinusN | i assume you want to know when the bootloader is released? |
| 09:25:25 | LinusN | i hope to release it within a few days |
| 09:26:19 | Jungti1234 | It is the good news. |
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| 09:29:48 | * | LinusN takes a break |
| 09:38:08 | modafroman | whats the theory on how rockbox works? the ui? in comparison to the h300 ui? |
| 09:38:27 | Cassandra | _FireFly_, remote wpses are loaded using wps_load, yes? |
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| 09:38:55 | B4gder | modafroman: there are lots of docs on the site |
| 09:39:04 | modafroman | yea, just looking at them now |
| 09:39:07 | B4gder | rockbox works similar on all target players |
| 09:40:15 | Cassandra | B4gder, custom WPSes for the player aren't being picked up by your script. (Maybe my fault for changing them so that they're expressed in pixels rather than characters). |
| 09:40:50 | _FireFly_ | all loading of any wps-data is done via gui_wps_data_load iirc |
| 09:40:51 | B4gder | they probably need to be treated special |
| 09:42:11 | Cassandra | Should be OK to treat them as very 55x14 displays I think. |
| 09:42:34 | Cassandra | (obviously graphical WPSen won't work) |
| 09:43:39 | B4gder | but that'll add them to the builds with much bigger LCDs too |
| 09:43:46 | B4gder | which seems unnecessary |
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| 09:44:50 | Cassandra | Hmm. I see what you mean. Technically they'd still work on the bigger LCDs, but it might not be desirable. |
| 09:44:56 | B4gder | exactly |
| 09:45:05 | Cassandra | I don't suspect we're going to get that many custom player WPSes though. |
| 09:45:22 | _FireFly_ | Cassandra the loading is done via wps_data_load |
| 09:45:46 | _FireFly_ | this function combines the loading from file or from buffer |
| 09:47:25 | Cassandra | Right. I'm just trying to make sure we can revert to a default rwps as per the ordinary wps. |
| 09:47:43 | _FireFly_ | should be already done |
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| 09:48:36 | _FireFly_ | in gpw-common.c:1919 ff |
| 09:48:41 | Cassandra | OK, I'll create the dummy file and see if it works. |
| 09:49:04 | _FireFly_ | wait i'm wrong |
| 09:49:13 | Cassandra | Thought you might be. |
| 09:49:23 | Cassandra | I reckon wps_load needs changing. |
| 09:50:29 | _FireFly_ | wps_data_load not wps_load |
| 09:50:41 | _FireFly_ | you must change this line: if (! strcmp(buf, WPS_DEFAULTCFG) ) |
| 09:52:01 | Cassandra | Ah, right. Don't mind me, it's the morning, I'm slow, and you changed everything. :P |
| 09:52:28 | _FireFly_ | wps.ch wps-display.ch are obsolete with this patch |
| 09:52:51 | Cassandra | Should I delete them then? |
| 09:53:37 | _FireFly_ | yepp |
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| 09:55:54 | linuxstb | amiconn: If the ipod sim doesn't byte-swap the framebuffer, then the compiled-in bitmaps won't work any more. They are already byte-swapped. And the CONFIG_LCD macro is also being used to decide which versions of the colour bitmaps to compile. |
| 09:56:20 | _FireFly_ | Cassandra this should do it if you change the line gwps.c:697 from if (! strcmp(buf, WPS_DEFAULTCFG) ) to if (! strcmp(buf, WPS_DEFAULTCFG) || ! strcmp(buf, RWPS_DEFAULTCFG) ) |
| 09:56:23 | oxman | Hello, i'm french and i've a h300. Is it possible to install rockbox on it ? In the daily build it's seems ok. But the bootloader exist ? |
| 09:56:37 | B4gder | oxman: no its not possible yet |
| 09:56:49 | oxman | oh ok thanks |
| 09:56:51 | B4gder | and the daily build is not ok |
| 09:56:56 | Cassandra | Already done it, firefly. :) |
| 09:56:57 | B4gder | it just builds fine |
| 09:57:02 | _FireFly_ | Cassandra ok |
| 09:57:29 | oxman | do you think it will be ok for christmas ? |
| 09:57:31 | Cassandra | Reason I knew to check is cause that's one of my patches. ;) |
| 09:57:42 | _FireFly_ | yeep i know :) |
| 09:58:17 | _FireFly_ | but i had forgotten adapt this for the remote |
| 09:58:24 | _FireFly_ | to adapt |
| 09:58:37 | B4gder | oxman: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverFAQ#Will_Rockbox_be_released_for_the |
| 09:58:51 | oxman | sorry B4gder, thanks |
| 09:59:27 | * | Cassandra slaps Bagder about for not thinking ahead and including rwps support in the wps munging stuff. |
| 09:59:55 | B4gder | good old concept: don't do things ahead to keep it simple |
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| 10:00:10 | oxman | see you later :) |
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| 10:00:13 | * | Cassandra grins. Only joking anyway. |
| 10:00:20 | B4gder | the rwps will need go into the .cfg file I guess |
| 10:00:34 | B4gder | another reason for a theme concept |
| 10:00:48 | _FireFly_ | do you want loading of wps and rwps simultan ?? |
| 10:01:13 | _FireFly_ | afaik on the dev-list it was recommented to have loading of wps and rwps seperatly |
| 10:01:18 | Cassandra | _FireFly_, we can do that with themes (coming soon to a Rockbox near you. |
| 10:01:19 | B4gder | yues |
| 10:01:31 | B4gder | those are different issues _FireFly_ |
| 10:02:14 | _FireFly_ | hmm ok |
| 10:02:19 | B4gder | a "theme" are multiple things |
| 10:02:31 | B4gder | a RWPS is just the remote WPS |
| 10:03:05 | B4gder | check your .rockbox/wps/*.cfg files and see |
| 10:04:31 | Cassandra | B4gder, any chance you could fix up wpsbuild.pl to cope with rwps files? My brain hurts. |
| 10:04:54 | B4gder | I can, are you gonna store them as plain name.rwps files? |
| 10:05:03 | Cassandra | Yup. |
| 10:06:53 | B4gder | ehmm |
| 10:07:20 | B4gder | tricky |
| 10:07:34 | B4gder | ok, I think I have an idea |
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| 10:08:18 | * | Cassandra swears profusely. |
| 10:08:44 | Cassandra | _FireFly_, the rwps isn't getting re-initialised after a wps_reset. |
| 10:08:56 | B4gder | a <wps> section could refer to a "prefered" rwps |
| 10:10:30 | Cassandra | *nod* Makes sense. |
| 10:10:38 | _FireFly_ | Cassandra strange |
| 10:10:47 | B4gder | to be able to produce a good .cfg file |
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| 10:12:06 | Cassandra | I bet I know why. I bet you're only setting the .rwps default if the wps data structure is empty. |
| 10:12:24 | _FireFly_ | yepp as for the main-wps |
| 10:12:43 | Cassandra | You'd still have to have a seperate <rwps> section, I suspect. |
| 10:13:02 | B4gder | yes |
| 10:13:07 | _FireFly_ | Cassandra but this should be done via wps_reset |
| 10:13:41 | Cassandra | afaik wps_reset just wipes the data structures. They're re-initialised in wps_parse or something of that nature. |
| 10:14:12 | Cassandra | (so we only have the initialisation code in one place) |
| 10:14:35 | _FireFly_ | yepp but in gui_wps_display wps_loaded is check to be false and format_buffer[0] = 0 |
| 10:15:02 | _FireFly_ | have you maybe run a logf build ?? |
| 10:15:08 | _FireFly_ | or it is the sim |
| 10:15:16 | _FireFly_ | where you discovert thois bug |
| 10:16:14 | Cassandra | Yes. In the sim. |
| 10:16:29 | Cassandra | Sorry, I probably should've mentioned that. |
| 10:17:13 | _FireFly_ | can you run a debug-session with the sim |
| 10:17:14 | _FireFly_ | ? |
| 10:17:25 | B4gder | gdb is fine |
| 10:17:35 | _FireFly_ | because i'm currently not under linux to do it myself |
| 10:17:41 | * | B4gder shuts up |
| 10:18:32 | _FireFly_ | maybe NB_SCREENS isn't set to 2 on your build |
| 10:18:45 | Cassandra | _FireFly_, I'm getting to the point where I'm not thinking straight any more. |
| 10:18:55 | Cassandra | I'm going to stop and come back to it later. |
| 10:18:57 | B4gder | so is there a separate statusbar option for the remote? |
| 10:19:07 | _FireFly_ | it will be |
| 10:19:15 | _FireFly_ | afk |
| 10:19:27 | B4gder | ok, then I'll adjust that later |
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| 10:20:11 | B4gder | Cassandra: I've fixed most of it, I only need a rwps now for testing it |
| 10:20:47 | Cassandra | http://home.arcor.de/s.wezel/mine-wps.zip |
| 10:20:53 | linuxstb | LinusN: The DataSheets wiki page says that the H300 uses the Renesas HD66789R LCD controller - is that correct? |
| 10:20:55 | B4gder | doing the x11 sim adjusts for color is just too painful with x11 remote over ssh |
| 10:21:10 | Cassandra | Or just copy rockbox_default.wps to rockbox_default.rwps |
| 10:21:19 | B4gder | good idea |
| 10:23:46 | Cassandra | Right. I need to go back to bed. I'll have another look at this this evening. |
| 10:24:16 | Cassandra | Or do people think it's acceptable for me to check in with the bug that resetting the rwps doesn't work yet? |
| 10:27:30 | Cassandra | Better leave it. See people later. |
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| 10:45:08 | Jungti1234 | H300 work should like to finish on Christmas. :) |
| 10:47:31 | ashridah | rockbox will never be 'finished' |
| 10:47:39 | Jungti1234 | aha |
| 10:47:47 | Jungti1234 | Boot loader work |
| 10:48:24 | Jungti1234 | How are you expecting? |
| 10:49:53 | ashridah | uh, i don't know about your country, but men don't get pregnant here |
| 10:50:20 | linuxstb | ashridah: I don't think that will translate well :) |
| 10:50:55 | ashridah | 'expecting' is typically equivalent to 'pregnant', but is slightly more polite for general conversation |
| 10:54:59 | ashridah | funny tho :) |
| 10:58:47 | muesli- | who's pregnant? |
| 10:58:50 | muesli- | eww |
| 10:59:05 | muesli- | cassandra? |
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| 11:00:08 | Jungti1234 | -_-; |
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| 11:00:33 | Jungti1234 | Was translation much strange? |
| 11:01:39 | ashridah | ambiguous, not strange. I'm not a developer, so i don't know the timeframes, but i do know that rockbox will be a work in progress for a fairly long time. |
| 11:01:45 | markun | Good news, the Gigabeat F series uses the same chip as the X series (only the DAC I'm not sure about) |
| 11:02:09 | ashridah | markun: Jungti1234 seemed to have gigabeat docs for you, if you didn't already know |
| 11:02:38 | markun | I had them already :) |
| 11:02:45 | * | amiconn noticed that he did a silly thing :/ |
| 11:03:03 | amiconn | I hope the win32 h300 sim will get faster soon |
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| 11:04:26 | linuxstb | amiconn: Did you read my comment about the ipod sim and the internal bitmaps? |
| 11:07:14 | amiconn | yeps, that's indeed a problem |
| 11:07:37 | amiconn | The lcd type macros aren't defined for the sims |
| 11:07:56 | linuxstb | I think the cleanest solution would be to enable CONFIG_LCD for the sims. But you said that would break the older targets. |
| 11:08:02 | amiconn | The lcd sizes were sufficient to select the logo - so far |
| 11:08:03 | ashridah | hmm. the engineer2 wps seems a little broken |
| 11:08:47 | amiconn | Now we have 2 different pixel formats with the same depth and same size lcd |
| 11:08:56 | amiconn | (ipod color and H300) |
| 11:09:12 | linuxstb | Yep. And the bitmaps for the Nano won't work on the sim. |
| 11:09:25 | linuxstb | A hack would be to use the H300 bitmaps for the color sim. |
| 11:09:43 | amiconn | I guess that's what would happen now |
| 11:09:58 | linuxstb | No - the h300 bitmaps are used for IRIVER_H300_SERIES |
| 11:10:24 | linuxstb | This is causing the current error in the sim compiles - but there are sure to be more errors when we fix that one. |
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| 11:14:59 | linuxstb | Looking at Linus's driver for the H300 LCD, it appears to be using the same controller as the Nano and my version of the Color. |
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| 11:17:43 | _FireFly_ | i have just tested it works for me on the sim(h120) |
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| 11:24:23 | linuxstb | amiconn: Could we define CONFIG_LCD for the simulators for devices with 16-bit LCDs? I think that would solve the problem and not create any new ones. |
| 11:25:03 | amiconn_ | My suggestion would be to introduce a #define for the colour lcd format |
| 11:25:35 | linuxstb | But we already have one - CONFIG_LCD |
| 11:26:04 | amiconn_ | No, that defines the controller, not the pixel format |
| 11:26:10 | linuxstb | OK. |
| 11:27:10 | linuxstb | Yes, I agree - a define for the format of the framebuffer. |
| 11:27:36 | linuxstb | When we support the greyscale ipods, we'll also need a different framebuffer. |
| 11:28:02 | linuxstb | The LCDs are the same size and depth as the H1x0s, but pixels are arranged horizontally. |
| 11:28:06 | modafroman | will h3 rockbox support video? |
| 11:28:46 | linuxstb | modafroman: If and when someone implements it. But not initially. |
| 11:28:54 | modafroman | i see |
| 11:29:41 | ashridah | linuxstb: heh. trust the ipods to be backwards :) |
| 11:29:46 | linuxstb | Rockbox currently has a video player for playing back a custom video format on monochrome LCDs - but that only works on the Archos devices. |
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| 11:31:21 | larsie | lo |
| 11:31:32 | jelle-k | hoi lars :P |
| 11:31:35 | larsie | :P |
| 11:31:48 | larsie | talk english, you, you, dutchie :P |
| 11:31:55 | linuxstb | Maybe the build system should be generating .c files from .bmp files - now that we have different formats for the same size and depth LCDs. |
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| 11:33:29 | larsie | does anyone know when the patcher for the H3x0 will be launched? |
| 11:33:49 | _FireFly_ | not in the near future i guess |
| 11:34:30 | amiconn | linuxstb: That sounds like a good idea - the build system could run bmp2rb |
| 11:37:14 | amiconn | Re my silliness concering the win32 sim: I keep telling people that display bitmaps resemble BMPs, but didn't use that myself :-/ |
| 11:37:31 | amiconn | Now I have a win32 sim with a 16bit display bitmap :) |
| 11:39:56 | linuxstb | amiconn: Are you going to add the framebuffer format #defines or shall I? |
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| 11:44:52 | amiconn | linuxstb: I won't do it right now. I suggest the following names: #define LCD_PIXELFORMAT, values: RGB565 (565), RGB565SWAPPED (3553) for now |
| 11:45:21 | amiconn | To be complemented later when 4-grey iPod support gets added |
| 11:53:24 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: OK. I can't do it now either, but I'll try and do it this evening. |
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| 12:00:31 | Zak1392 | so... a bootloader within a few days! cool |
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| 12:41:50 | markun | Hi Moos |
| 12:42:09 | Moos | Hi markun and all |
| 12:43:03 | _FireFly_ | hi |
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| 12:46:59 | Zak1392 | howndy |
| 12:47:04 | Zak1392 | howdy |
| 12:48:45 | Jungti1234 | markun: Is chip that is used gigabeat F series and X series same? |
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| 12:49:32 | webguest12 | i just read this :d |
| 12:49:33 | webguest12 | 09.25.09 # <LinusN> i assume you want to know when the bootloader is released? |
| 12:49:33 | webguest12 | 09.25.25 # <LinusN> i hope to release it within a few days |
| 12:49:44 | webguest12 | yeah ! |
| 12:49:49 | webguest12 | good job ! |
| 12:51:50 | Jungti1234 | hehe.. |
| 12:52:50 | Zak1392 | yeah, excellent news! |
| 12:54:19 | Febs | LinusN, when the bootloader is done, let me know if you want someone to test it on a U.S. player. |
| 12:54:55 | webguest12 | monday maybe linus ?:D |
| 12:55:12 | LinusN | i have a us player |
| 12:55:28 | Febs | Ah, I did not know that! |
| 12:55:35 | LinusN | i have borrowed one |
| 12:56:33 | webguest12 | cool:D |
| 12:56:36 | webguest12 | yes i cant wait ! |
| 12:56:51 | Febs | Thanks for all of your hard work on the H300 port by the way. I bought mine a couple of months ago knowing that RB would one day be available. |
| 12:57:10 | Zak1392 | linus-so you have an int. version and you were able to borrow a US one? |
| 12:57:19 | Jungti1234 | Thank to linus. |
| 12:57:22 | Febs | I gave my H120 to my wife, and I have really missed RB since then. |
| 12:57:38 | Zak1392 | haha, i don't balme ya |
| 12:57:45 | Zak1392 | 'blame' |
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| 13:13:58 | LinusN | unfortunately, it seems i have two us versions |
| 13:14:26 | LinusN | one with and one without drm |
| 13:14:45 | preglow | doesn't all of them lose drm once you flash them? |
| 13:14:46 | LinusN | so i will need an international version some day |
| 13:15:08 | LinusN | preglow: that's what i intend to find out with the drm enabled player |
| 13:15:15 | preglow | LinusN: i'm pretty sure they do |
| 13:15:32 | LinusN | yes they do, but i want to find out how and why |
| 13:15:40 | preglow | LinusN: dump the eeprom first :) |
| 13:15:48 | LinusN | naturally |
| 13:16:52 | LinusN | i *think* each unit has a unique flash content, for the DRM key |
| 13:17:06 | preglow | ahh, i thought that was kept in the eeprom |
| 13:17:12 | LinusN | that's another option |
| 13:17:19 | preglow | kind of made more sense |
| 13:17:26 | LinusN | perhaps |
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| 13:17:40 | preglow | hi, linuxstb |
| 13:17:56 | linuxstb | Hello. |
| 13:18:12 | linuxstb | LinusN: Am I right in saying the H300 uses the Renesas HD66789R LCD controller? |
| 13:18:24 | LinusN | i think there is a reason why there are no us firmware upgrades for the h300 |
| 13:18:48 | LinusN | linuxstb: it is at least *very* similar |
| 13:18:57 | preglow | aren't mose lcd controlers very similar? |
| 13:19:08 | preglow | all b&w lcd controllers i've seen have been, at least |
| 13:19:14 | preglow | s/mose/most/, yes |
| 13:19:20 | linuxstb | Your h300 driver seems to be using the same command as the ipod driver. |
| 13:19:23 | LinusN | this is my first rgb controller |
| 13:19:26 | linuxstb | s/command/commands/ |
| 13:19:55 | LinusN | i have used the hd66789r data sheet for reference |
| 13:20:18 | linuxstb | I think the ipodlinux people did the same - they link to our wiki copy of the PDF from their wiki. |
| 13:20:19 | LinusN | and so far it matches very well |
| 13:20:29 | LinusN | :-) |
| 13:22:05 | linuxstb | I noticed you do 16-bit writes, whereas the ipl code does 32-bit writes. |
| 13:22:08 | Slasheri | ah, no more disk spinning up with playlist viewer :) |
| 13:22:49 | LinusN | linuxstb: yes, the h300 bus interface is not too cleverly designed |
| 13:24:40 | linuxstb | preglow: Are you working on anything for the ipod? |
| 13:25:05 | preglow | linuxstb: no, i'm afraid not |
| 13:25:12 | preglow | i was planning on doing some work today |
| 13:25:56 | linuxstb | I think we have to do the crt0.S, interrupts and button drivers next, and they are all inter-related. So I'm not sure what I can work on next. |
| 13:26:38 | preglow | yes, i know |
| 13:26:52 | preglow | those are definitely what we need to do |
| 13:27:20 | preglow | i need to read some documentation for a couple of hours now |
| 13:27:24 | preglow | i'll see what i can do after that |
| 13:28:09 | linuxstb | I may try and get the windows sim compiling and think about the button assignments. |
| 13:31:24 | preglow | sounds good |
| 13:32:30 | linuxstb | What do you think of the scrollwheel? One solution to our lack of buttons would be to not use the scrollwheel as a wheel, but make touches at different positions simulate a button press. |
| 13:32:57 | amiconn | LinusN: Did you see the post on the Ondio forum regarding playlists? Looks like our infamous 'norwegian language course' problem :( |
| 13:33:08 | LinusN | yes |
| 13:36:02 | preglow | linuxstb: well, as long as that's not the only way of using it |
| 13:36:20 | preglow | linuxstb: but doesn't sound like it'd be too hard to detect |
| 13:37:35 | linuxstb | Because the buttons are so close together, it's going to be uncomfortable to press key combinations. |
| 13:38:01 | linuxstb | I'm thinking for example, about how the WPS screen will work - we need up/down for volume, left/right for skip and long left/right for seeking. |
| 13:38:35 | linuxstb | And the only direction buttons we have are the two directions of turning the wheel. |
| 13:39:29 | linuxstb | Plus next/previous of course. So ignore me... |
| 13:40:03 | preglow | we could do a couple of tests with the scrollwheel touch thing |
| 13:40:07 | linuxstb | So in the WPS, the wheel can be the volume, and the next/previous buttons can act like left/right on the H1x0. |
| 13:40:10 | preglow | might be neat, but i think it'd be too sensitive |
| 13:40:18 | preglow | linuxstb: i'd also like the wheel to seek |
| 13:40:30 | preglow | somehow |
| 13:40:50 | preglow | i think the wheel is a great control mechanism, so i'd like to use it for wherever it makes sense |
| 13:41:32 | linuxstb | I don't like it that much - I prefer to keep my fingers still, rather than rotating an imaginary wheel. |
| 13:41:54 | linuxstb | But I'm happy to keep the wheel functionality. I'm probably a small minority. |
| 13:41:57 | preglow | gives me a sense of doing something other than just waiting |
| 13:41:59 | preglow | which i like |
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| 13:55:01 | * | Febs returns and reads discussion about DRM. |
| 13:55:46 | Febs | LinusN, could you include a utility to dump the EEPROM to disk before running fwpather (or H300 equivalent) so that each player's DRM key is available if you find out later where it is stored? |
| 13:55:56 | Febs | s/fwpather/fwpatcher |
| 13:56:08 | LinusN | Febs: how is that supposed to work? |
| 13:56:41 | LinusN | how can i run a utility on the h300 without adding the bootloader first? |
| 13:56:56 | thegeek | ha! |
| 13:56:59 | thegeek | simple |
| 13:57:02 | Febs | Good point. That's why your the programmer and I just write documentation. |
| 13:57:10 | Febs | s/your/you're |
| 13:57:29 | * | Febs has been reading Mistic River too much and is losing his grammar skills. |
| 13:58:13 | LinusN | gotta reboot, cu soon |
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| 14:01:03 | preglow | haha |
| 14:01:10 | preglow | 'fraid that's not possible, n |
| 14:01:10 | preglow | o |
| 14:01:17 | preglow | who the hell wants drm wmas anyway? |
| 14:01:21 | preglow | i hope you haven't bought any? :> |
| 14:03:10 | amiconn | Bagder: Regarding build status page - would it make sense to force these builds (make -k) in order to unhide currently hidden errors? |
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| 14:11:23 | B4gder | yes |
| 14:12:20 | B4gder | hm, it already does make -k |
| 14:12:44 | B4gder | I guess the problem is then within our makefiles |
| 14:12:46 | linuxstb | But if you just type "make -k" in the build directory, will the -k option be passed through to all the other makes? Or is that covered as well? |
| 14:13:00 | Slasheri | now the wps is lighting fast, no lag at all :) |
| 14:13:11 | B4gder | linuxstb: right, I think that's what we need to fix |
| 14:13:14 | preglow | Slasheri: how? |
| 14:13:39 | Slasheri | preglow: using the dircache to read the playlist entries before real taginfo is ready |
| 14:14:11 | Slasheri | and while skipping tracks, buffering will start only after 1s of user inactivity |
| 14:14:24 | preglow | Slasheri: commit, please |
| 14:14:31 | preglow | Slasheri: or at least let me test it :) |
| 14:14:41 | Slasheri | and then disk spins up. But from that point on, the ui still doesn't lag at all :) |
| 14:14:52 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Does that mean that playing the next track is delayed by a second - for cases where the next track isn't in the buffer? |
| 14:14:59 | Slasheri | preglow: i will commit evening. I still have to fix the qsort problem |
| 14:15:08 | Slasheri | linuxstb: yes |
| 14:15:19 | linuxstb | OK. But that's not uncommon for lossless files. |
| 14:15:30 | preglow | Slasheri: you might be able to lower that below a second, btw |
| 14:15:32 | preglow | but we'll see |
| 14:15:41 | preglow | this sounds like a marvelous change |
| 14:15:43 | Slasheri | preglow: true, 0.5s would be enough, i guess |
| 14:15:58 | linuxstb | I'm sure us lossless users can live with that. |
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| 14:23:52 | preglow | if it means a non-laggy wps, i don't care, it could have been two seconds and it would have been all good |
| 14:25:22 | linuxstb | I agree. The plus points far outweigh the bad. |
| 14:27:24 | preglow | Slasheri: but it'll only be non-laggy with dircache enabled? |
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| 14:33:57 | solexx | Does anybody know what replaygain does, when the setting says it should use album gain but there is only track gain? |
| 14:36:23 | markun | should use track gain, but I don't know if it does |
| 14:40:36 | Slasheri | preglow: completely non-laggy, yes. Little laggy without dircache enabled |
| 14:46:51 | preglow | Slasheri: any improvement from before? |
| 14:48:13 | Slasheri | preglow: yes, it should be faster. But without dircache it's not instant because filename has to be read from the playlist file |
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| 14:48:23 | preglow | of course |
| 14:48:27 | preglow | but when will you commit? |
| 14:48:49 | Slasheri | preglow: as soon as i fix the one remaining small major issue |
| 14:49:04 | Slasheri | now i have to go back back soon :) |
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| 14:51:54 | preglow | small major? |
| 14:51:54 | preglow | heh |
| 14:51:56 | preglow | what is that? |
| 14:53:45 | preglow | man, coding for 56k is almost like doing coldfire with emac |
| 14:53:53 | preglow | lots of mac instructions with parallel fetches |
| 14:53:56 | preglow | this time two of them |
| 14:54:13 | B4gder | :-) |
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| 14:54:57 | linuxstb | What are you doing with a 56k? |
| 14:55:12 | preglow | preparing for some work |
| 14:55:33 | preglow | i'm going to code an ambisonics encoder/decoder on a proprietary 56k based system |
| 14:55:58 | preglow | something around 12 56k processors in it |
| 14:56:54 | linuxstb | Not something the coldfire could cope with then... |
| 14:56:59 | preglow | haha |
| 14:57:08 | preglow | depends on how many channels you want |
| 14:57:12 | preglow | this thing can cope with 256 |
| 14:57:35 | preglow | coldfire might struggle a bit with filtering, 56k based systems usually have zero wait-state ram |
| 14:58:50 | preglow | it's only got around 4 24 bits registers plus some accumulators, you're meant to be fetching from memory constantly |
| 14:59:41 | preglow | which is a far cry from a h1x0 indeed |
| 14:59:47 | linuxstb | Makes optimising musepack sound simple. |
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| 15:00:15 | preglow | it's not exactly hard when you get how it works |
| 15:00:18 | preglow | which again isn't very hard |
| 15:02:21 | linuxstb | Anyway, let me know if you do anything related to the ipod - I'm tempted to write a simple crt0.S this evening if you're not going to be working on it. |
| 15:02:41 | preglow | i'll start looking at it in an hours time |
| 15:02:45 | linuxstb | Linus is making me jealous by booting Rockbox on his H300... |
| 15:03:01 | preglow | hahaha |
| 15:03:49 | preglow | but indeed, if you work getting the sim to work, you'll have done plenty of useful work |
| 15:04:22 | linuxstb | Yep, I'll do that. All the plugins need ipod button definitions as well, so there's plenty to keep me busy. |
| 15:04:35 | B4gder | the x11 sim version have no color lcd support yet |
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| 15:12:26 | linuxstb | B4gder: I'm happy cross-compiling the windows sim and running it with Wine. |
| 15:12:41 | linuxstb | So I'm planning to get the win32 versions of the ipod sims working. |
| 15:12:51 | B4gder | chicken! ;-) |
| 15:13:12 | linuxstb | Always take the easy option. |
| 15:13:22 | B4gder | I might have a x11 color lcd done in a not so distant future |
| 15:15:13 | amiconn | linuxstb: I'll soon commit my 16bit framebuffer changes for win32 |
| 15:15:21 | amiconn | _significantly_ faster :) |
| 15:15:49 | B4gder | having a fast sim feels... secondary ;-) |
| 15:16:01 | B4gder | but that's just me |
| 15:18:01 | amiconn | Yes, but it also simplifies things to use 16bit |
| 15:18:31 | amiconn | The framebuffer->bitmap transfer turns into a simple copy operation |
| 15:18:56 | B4gder | the joy of a naive system ;-) |
| 15:19:07 | B4gder | win32 vs x11 I mean |
| 15:19:35 | B4gder | x11's complex arch is really not easy to work with |
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| 15:20:05 | B4gder | perhaps we should one day switch to use a proper lib ontop of x11 |
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| 15:20:37 | _FireFly__ | there are many toolkits |
| 15:20:40 | amiconn | Hmm, perhaps a lib that is available both for x11 and windows? |
| 15:20:48 | _FireFly__ | gtk wxwindows |
| 15:20:48 | B4gder | yes |
| 15:21:00 | B4gder | there are several |
| 15:21:07 | B4gder | even qt |
| 15:21:07 | _FireFly__ | wxwidget (was wxwidndows) |
| 15:21:22 | _FireFly__ | or that but qt isn't at all under gpl |
| 15:21:28 | B4gder | yes it is |
| 15:21:34 | amiconn | gtk (?) |
| 15:21:42 | B4gder | gtk is for win too, yes |
| 15:21:55 | amiconn | Yes I know, as e.g. gimp uses it |
| 15:22:07 | _FireFly__ | amiconn gtk = gimp tool kit ;) |
| 15:22:08 | amiconn | What I don't know is how easy it is to use |
| 15:22:16 | B4gder | no |
| 15:22:29 | B4gder | gnome tool kit surely |
| 15:22:49 | B4gder | hm, no |
| 15:22:57 | B4gder | at least GTK+ is gimp tool kit |
| 15:23:15 | _FireFly__ | ;) |
| 15:23:16 | _FireFly__ | GTK+ was initially developed for and used by the GIMP, the GNU Image Manipulation Program. Therefore, it is named "The GIMP Toolkit", so that the origins of the project are remembered. Today GTK+ is used by a large number of applications, and is the toolkit used by the GNU project's GNOME desktop. |
| 15:23:49 | B4gder | news to me |
| 15:24:18 | _FireFly__ | gtk.org |
| 15:24:28 | B4gder | still, quite an undertaking to port everything to such a lib |
| 15:25:27 | _FireFly__ | yepp |
| 15:25:55 | B4gder | people aren't exactly queueing up to fix the simulators as it is |
| 15:25:55 | amiconn | A disadvantage would be that the user needs to install the library if he wants to run the sim. |
| 15:26:02 | B4gder | yes |
| 15:26:06 | amiconn | Today the win32 simulator is self-contained |
| 15:26:39 | amiconn | Of course it's a non-issue for devs, but there are people asking for sim to develop .wps files |
| 15:27:10 | B4gder | yes, but an install package for the sim on win could include the required libs |
| 15:27:50 | amiconn | Yes, and make it bigger and more complex to install |
| 15:28:12 | B4gder | yes, but easier to maintain in the long run |
| 15:28:16 | amiconn | yes |
| 15:28:17 | B4gder | if we can share codebase |
| 15:29:01 | amiconn | Speaking about sims, imho the archos/ dir should be renamed |
| 15:29:10 | B4gder | yes |
| 15:34:28 | B4gder | time to educate the masses! |
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| 15:36:37 | linuxstb | If we used wxwidgets, you can easily create a standalone executable with the libs statically linked. That's one thing I like about it. |
| 15:43:58 | _FireFly__ | cu later |
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| 15:55:21 | solexx | gtk for windows is not very hard to install |
| 15:55:55 | solexx | But maybe even I am too much of a programmer to judge things like this |
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| 16:15:56 | DMJC | any idea how long h340 series will take to be upto h100 series firmware? |
| 16:16:24 | DMJC | I noticed the h100 remote code is there which works well for me.. |
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| 16:17:54 | preglow | you mean how long it'll take for h3x0 rockbox to be as good as h1x0 rockbox? |
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| 16:19:05 | DMJC | yeah |
| 16:19:10 | DMJC | I had a 100 series |
| 16:19:16 | DMJC | broke it about 2 weeks ago |
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| 16:19:22 | DMJC | they're replacing with a 340 |
| 16:19:38 | preglow | well |
| 16:19:43 | DMJC | be nice if I could run rockbox when i get my new player :D |
| 16:19:47 | preglow | more or less the only thing that needs fixing is graphics |
| 16:19:48 | solexx | um, iriver is replacing your h120 with a h340!? |
| 16:19:58 | preglow | solexx: well, they don't have any h1x0 anymore |
| 16:20:02 | preglow | it's been discontinued long ago |
| 16:20:04 | DMJC | h140 with h340 |
| 16:20:06 | DMJC | hehehe |
| 16:20:09 | preglow | riight |
| 16:20:47 | DMJC | if you want proof I'll get photos of the order forms etc tomorrow |
| 16:20:50 | solexx | well, they could still get some from mp3-player.de ;-) |
| 16:20:53 | DMJC | 1:50 am here heh |
| 16:20:59 | preglow | but still, dmcj |
| 16:21:03 | preglow | it should be usable really fast |
| 16:21:09 | preglow | some plugins will probably need updating |
| 16:21:47 | DMJC | nice |
| 16:22:06 | DMJC | I used to compile my firmware from cvs |
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| 16:22:57 | DMJC | guess I should get the SDK again |
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| 16:25:46 | DMJC | iRiver, Catch the digital flow!.mp3 |
| 16:25:49 | DMJC | hehehe |
| 16:26:59 | Mordov_ | does rockbox improve battery charging firmware in iRiver? |
| 16:27:44 | _FireFly_ | afaik charging is done in hardware |
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| 16:29:00 | Mordov_ | so why does it display 40% battry after 15 mins of charging? |
| 16:29:11 | Mordov_ | that can't be right |
| 16:30:34 | solexx | measurement of remaining battery is very inaccurate |
| 16:30:52 | DMJC | tried emptying your battery |
| 16:30:58 | solexx | let it play for some minutes and it should be "accurate enough" |
| 16:30:58 | DMJC | and recharging it? |
| 16:31:25 | Mordov_ | it was completly empty, and it charged for 15 mins, and displayed 40% or 6 hours battery |
| 16:31:54 | solexx | with the charger still connected? |
| 16:31:59 | Mordov_ | no |
| 16:32:37 | DMJC | am I reading this right? |
| 16:32:39 | Moos | like solexx said you, let it play |
| 16:32:49 | DMJC | we could rig a joystick into the H340 series? |
| 16:33:00 | DMJC | (as long as a driver was written) |
| 16:33:56 | DMJC | there's an interesting idea when you factor in rockbox.... |
| 16:34:08 | DMJC | I mean rockboy |
| 16:34:36 | solexx | yeah, the keys are right next to each other. oh, wait... |
| 16:34:38 | Moos | DMJC: this question will be here in the future, sure someone will test |
| 16:35:04 | DMJC | nice |
| 16:35:07 | Moos | DMJC: joystick replacment I mean |
| 16:35:17 | DMJC | ah |
| 16:35:31 | DMJC | hmm wonder what speed h340 is |
| 16:35:46 | Moos | speed of what? |
| 16:35:47 | DMJC | why stick to gb emu.. if it could do SNES... |
| 16:36:02 | preglow | Mordov_: the battery charges very rapidly at start, then slower and slower |
| 16:36:08 | DMJC | nes/snes maybe |
| 16:36:16 | preglow | Mordov_: so as a matter of fact, it's not impossible |
| 16:36:16 | DMJC | h340's cpu |
| 16:36:18 | Mordov_ | preglow: cool, thx |
| 16:38:04 | HCl | DMJC: hah |
| 16:38:04 | ^Guest37784 | mm, only linus works on the h300 series rockbox? |
| 16:38:09 | | Nick ^Guest37784 is now known as ^BeN^ (i=Paprica@85-250-225-75.bb.netvision.net.il) |
| 16:38:10 | HCl | DMJC: h340's cpu is the same as h100 |
| 16:38:12 | HCl | *forget* it |
| 16:38:13 | HCl | xD |
| 16:38:28 | HCl | people always have this disillusion that the h3x0 series is faster |
| 16:38:28 | DMJC | ok |
| 16:38:38 | DMJC | well not dillusion, just wondering |
| 16:38:41 | HCl | you'll be lucky if someone manages to get rockboy in color |
| 16:38:45 | DMJC | heh h3x0 is prolly slower |
| 16:38:47 | HCl | without it lagging to death |
| 16:38:55 | DMJC | yeah color screen will take MORE cpu time |
| 16:38:58 | Moos | Hello HCl: long time "disconected" from Rockbox :) |
| 16:39:08 | HCl | cause i took the color tables out of rockboy to speed it up |
| 16:39:19 | HCl | yea, well.. school, girlfriend.. |
| 16:39:44 | Moos | hehe we all have a life XD |
| 16:40:10 | HCl | though i do little at school, it takes tons from my free time |
| 16:40:33 | linuxstb | HCl: Did you ever look at the iPod port of rockboy that the ipodlinux people did? |
| 16:40:37 | HCl | nope. |
| 16:40:41 | HCl | why? |
| 16:40:54 | linuxstb | I was just curious if they did a good job. |
| 16:41:00 | HCl | no idea.. i have no ipod |
| 16:41:03 | amiconn | HCl: Rockboy should already run on H3x0 (in greyscale) |
| 16:41:05 | HCl | i'm sure they can make it run better |
| 16:41:06 | amiconn | I adapted it |
| 16:41:13 | HCl | ipod has more cpu |
| 16:41:19 | preglow | HCl: nah, not really |
| 16:41:21 | DMJC | heh yeah it has 2 of them |
| 16:41:31 | HCl | it doesn't have more cpu? |
| 16:41:32 | amiconn | Yes, but with lower clock rate each |
| 16:41:36 | preglow | well, it has MORE |
| 16:41:36 | DMJC | true |
| 16:41:37 | preglow | like two of them |
| 16:41:39 | linuxstb | It's got two 75MHz ARMs |
| 16:41:41 | HCl | :P |
| 16:41:42 | amiconn | Dual arm7 75 MHz? |
| 16:41:45 | HCl | hmk. |
| 16:41:48 | preglow | but you can't utilise that unless you do some threading |
| 16:42:04 | DMJC | they've got micro linux on it |
| 16:42:22 | DMJC | mate of mine is experimenting with it atm |
| 16:42:39 | DMJC | doom runs like crap |
| 16:42:39 | linuxstb | I doubt the ipod port of gnuboy uses both CPUs though. So if they have it realtime on one, then we'll be fine. |
| 16:42:51 | linuxstb | DMJC: I think Doom runs very well. |
| 16:42:53 | HCl | i doubt they have it real time.. |
| 16:42:55 | amiconn | Linux is certainly possible on iriver as well; the question is whether it makes sense |
| 16:43:07 | DMJC | heh that'd be awesome |
| 16:43:10 | DMJC | I wonder.. |
| 16:43:21 | DMJC | I know a guy who likes messing around with that kind of stuff |
| 16:43:36 | linuxstb | amiconn: The only reason IMO for Linux on a DAP is to use the USB and other drivers. |
| 16:43:39 | DMJC | does a ton of embedded devel |
| 16:43:58 | amiconn | Linux should run on even lower hardware |
| 16:44:00 | DMJC | and so you can run a server |
| 16:44:11 | DMJC | because everyone runs servers on linux |
| 16:44:23 | DMJC | j/k |
| 16:44:46 | HCl | linux would only make a bit of sense on h3x0 |
| 16:44:49 | amiconn | linuxstb: The USB driver argument is only valid for USB OTG |
| 16:44:54 | HCl | cause you can hook usb hubs up to it and so. |
| 16:44:56 | linuxstb | amiconn: Obviously. |
| 16:45:02 | HCl | and actually do something useful with it |
| 16:45:10 | HCl | i don't understand the person who would want to use his iriver that way. |
| 16:45:11 | HCl | but yea. |
| 16:45:16 | linuxstb | The iPod has USB OTG as well IIUC. |
| 16:45:41 | linuxstb | I believe the ipodlinux people are close to getting it working. |
| 16:45:48 | amiconn | HCl: Port the dnet client? ;) |
| 16:46:01 | DMJC | what is rockbox like internally? |
| 16:46:04 | HCl | no. heh. |
| 16:46:06 | HCl | i have little enough time as it is |
| 16:46:19 | DMJC | compared to other OSes? |
| 16:46:33 | HCl | no idea, i never worked with the low level drivers. |
| 16:46:49 | HCl | i'm a software person |
| 16:46:53 | HCl | bbl, or something.. |
| 16:47:17 | DMJC | heh |
| 16:47:25 | DMJC | what is a nes compared to a GB? |
| 16:48:03 | HCl | not sure. |
| 16:48:17 | HCl | i know gb is like one of the simplest gaming things there are |
| 16:48:23 | HCl | its natively like what.. 8mhz.. |
| 16:48:36 | HCl | but i'm gonna make dinner and such |
| 16:48:38 | HCl | bye |
| 16:49:01 | preglow | linuxstb: you've got a pp5020 in your ipod? |
| 16:49:11 | linuxstb | preglow: So I've been told. |
| 16:49:24 | DMJC | what cpu was gameboy? |
| 16:49:29 | preglow | DMJC: z80, modified |
| 16:49:43 | DMJC | 8-bit 6502 is the nes chip |
| 16:49:50 | preglow | yes |
| 16:49:54 | preglow | they're pretty much the same |
| 16:50:28 | preglow | linuxstb: seems my ipod can be clocked faster in addition to having more iram, then |
| 16:50:29 | DMJC | cool |
| 16:50:45 | DMJC | so gnuboy could be modded to handle nes titles then? |
| 16:50:51 | DMJC | get mario 3 working :D |
| 16:50:59 | preglow | DMJC: no, not the same like that |
| 16:51:21 | preglow | DMJC: it's just that the architectures are pretty alike, they're not instruction compatible or anything |
| 16:51:30 | DMJC | figures |
| 16:51:35 | DMJC | what I meant though |
| 16:51:45 | DMJC | is that the iriver if it can run gameboy games |
| 16:51:55 | DMJC | can possibly be fast enough for nes? |
| 16:52:20 | linuxstb | preglow: Have you tested that you have more IRAM? |
| 16:53:19 | linuxstb | You may be able to squeeze the LCD framebuffer into IRAM - it's already smaller than the H300 and iPod color framebuffer. |
| 16:53:22 | preglow | linuxstb: no, but the spec sheet says so |
| 16:53:26 | DMJC | crap.. I need sleep |
| 16:53:28 | DMJC | night all |
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| 16:56:43 | preglow | linuxstb: i can't figure out what the differences between a pp5022 and a pp5021 (ipod nano) is, though |
| 16:57:17 | linuxstb | Where did you get the 5021 specification from? I can only see the 5020 and 5022 on the portalplayer site. |
| 16:57:33 | preglow | me too |
| 16:57:36 | preglow | can't find pp5021 |
| 16:57:50 | preglow | but what davidc mentioned made me think it was pretty much a 5022 |
| 16:58:30 | preglow | seems i got my answer there |
| 16:58:51 | linuxstb | Or maybe he was confusing the 5021 with the 5022 - i.e. the extra iram is only in the 5022. |
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| 17:00:02 | preglow | perhaps, but if you look at #ipl now, you'll see that slowcoder confirmed they're pretty much the same |
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| 17:02:16 | preglow | hah |
| 17:02:19 | preglow | the shuffle has a 56k core |
| 17:04:48 | linuxstb | Link 24 of them together... |
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| 17:06:06 | preglow | i'm wondering about this ipod generation conondrum |
| 17:06:24 | linuxstb | Which conundrum? compile-time vs run-time detection? |
| 17:06:32 | preglow | if detecting the internals is as difficult as the ipl people says, it might be more clever to do stuff runtime |
| 17:06:36 | preglow | especially in the bootloader |
| 17:06:57 | preglow | so people don't misunderstand and flash something they can't use |
| 17:07:02 | preglow | flash/install/etc |
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| 17:07:51 | linuxstb | A GUI installer can detect which ipod a user has based on a text file stored in the iPod_Control directory. |
| 17:08:02 | preglow | right |
| 17:08:05 | preglow | then no worries |
| 17:08:16 | preglow | is that idiotproof? |
| 17:08:16 | muesli_- | high |
| 17:08:26 | linuxstb | They can always make better idiots. |
| 17:08:59 | linuxstb | But yes, it gives you the hardware revision - which will be enough to detect between the different builds I was planning. |
| 17:09:22 | linuxstb | I think the Apple updater probably uses it - it comes with a whole collection of different firmwares. |
| 17:10:13 | linuxstb | But for example, having code to deal with greyscale LCDs in a build for colour ipods is wasteful (and vice-versa). |
| 17:10:21 | preglow | yes, certainly |
| 17:11:01 | linuxstb | The natural way to split it seems to be "1G-3G", "4G b/w", "4G Color", "Nano" and "Mini" |
| 17:11:16 | linuxstb | And I think it's relatively easy for a user to choose. |
| 17:14:28 | preglow | should be |
| 17:18:53 | preglow | but ok, i've gotta go catch a movie |
| 17:19:06 | preglow | start work on crt0.S when i get back |
| 17:19:09 | preglow | later |
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| 17:22:19 | ^BeN^ | who has iriver h300 series player? |
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| 18:10:31 | Philip_0729 | Ben: I have an H340 |
| 18:11:57 | muesli_- | puups |
| 18:12:06 | muesli_- | oops.. |
| 18:12:08 | muesli_- | wrong window |
| 18:23:30 | ^BeN^ | Philip_0729 do you try the usb otg with some disk on key? |
| 18:32:49 | Philip_0729 | flash memory drives? yes they usually work without a problem |
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| 18:40:55 | pinkutank | hey there |
| 18:41:01 | pinkutank | any eta on ipod rb |
| 18:42:21 | linuxstb | About 9pm. |
| 18:42:30 | pinkutank | :D |
| 18:42:32 | linuxstb | (GMT) |
| 18:42:38 | pinkutank | everybody is mocking me today |
| 18:43:01 | linuxstb | Seriously - it's possible Rockbox will boot for the first time on the iPod this evening. I have faith. |
| 18:43:03 | markun | linuxstb: All the gigabeat players use FOREVERY (RECORD pierecord FROM graphdata) { |
| 18:43:07 | markun | float ang := (pierecord.value / total) * 2f * Pi; |
| 18:43:09 | markun | RECORD off_center := [x := 0, y := 0]; |
| 18:43:12 | markun | IF (pierecord.selected) |
| 18:43:14 | markun | off_center := coord(lastang + ang * 0.5f, 30 * aalevel); |
| 18:43:17 | markun | RECORD ARRAY thispie := pie(x + off_center.x, y + off_center.y, lastang, ang, rad); |
| 18:43:20 | markun | //border := border CONCAT pie; |
| 18:43:22 | markun | GfxFillPath(aa_canvas, colors[#pierecord], 0, thispie); |
| 18:43:25 | markun | GfxDrawPath(aa_canvas, black, line_width * aalevel, thispie); |
| 18:43:27 | markun | lastang := lastang + ang; |
| 18:43:30 | markun | } |
| 18:43:32 | markun | sorry.. |
| 18:43:35 | markun | WM8751 |
| 18:43:50 | linuxstb | So pierecord is unrelated? :) |
| 18:44:00 | markun | I keep forgetting that selecting is not the same as copying in windows :) |
| 18:44:20 | _FireFly_ | ;) |
| 18:44:21 | markun | Maybe I should stop working and go home.. |
| 18:44:22 | pinkutank | so would it be good if I trade my h120 for an ipod video instead of a h320 |
| 18:44:31 | _FireFly_ | yeah no selection buffer under windows ;) |
| 18:44:51 | markun | pinkutank: Trade it for a Toshiba Gigabeat player, then you can help me out :) |
| 18:45:00 | pinkutank | I dont know programming |
| 18:45:03 | linuxstb | pinkutank: The ipod video is a new type of ipod - Rockbox won't work on it. |
| 18:45:32 | pinkutank | ? but linux will be booting on it soon, wasnt it the same process |
| 18:45:54 | pinkutank | markun, how is it going, did you run bdm yet |
| 18:45:55 | markun | linuxstb: does any of the ipods use the WM8751? |
| 18:46:07 | markun | pinkutank: I don't even have a Gigabeat yet ;) |
| 18:46:13 | pinkutank | oh lol |
| 18:46:22 | linuxstb | pinkutabk: linux boots on the video ipod now, but the problem is a new video processor sitting between the CPU and the LCD. That is not understood. |
| 18:46:34 | markun | And I hope I don't need a BDM |
| 18:46:43 | linuxstb | markun: I don't think so - see http://ipodlinux.org/Generations |
| 18:46:52 | linuxstb | But the devices are very similar. |
| 18:47:36 | crwl | what's special about that gigabeat player? |
| 18:47:46 | linuxstb | 400MHz ARM processor... |
| 18:48:01 | crwl | oh |
| 18:48:06 | linuxstb | Ships with a Linux-based firmware |
| 18:48:07 | crwl | errrrr, why? |
| 18:48:11 | crwl | url? :) |
| 18:49:39 | pinkutank | gigabeat 400mhz? |
| 18:49:42 | pinkutank | thats like a pda |
| 18:49:58 | Philip_0729 | thats the same as my old pc... |
| 18:50:12 | pinkutank | hehe |
| 18:50:12 | linuxstb | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatInfo |
| 18:50:27 | pinkutank | reading along |
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| 18:50:35 | pinkutank | maybe its too soon to trade my h120 after all |
| 18:50:48 | HCl | why would you trade your h120 anyways |
| 18:51:05 | pinkutank | its a little chunky |
| 18:51:07 | pinkutank | + |
| 18:51:14 | muesli_- | i'll get a h300 soon :D |
| 18:51:21 | pinkutank | its getting old with small scratches and etc, battery life is going down |
| 18:51:29 | HCl | so get a battery upgrade |
| 18:51:40 | * | HCl doesn't understand why people care about size so much |
| 18:51:48 | HCl | the smaller it is, the easier it is to lose |
| 18:51:57 | pinkutank | no |
| 18:52:08 | pinkutank | the sammer it is, the better it is in my pocket |
| 18:52:11 | Philip_0729 | thickness is the main problem |
| 18:52:12 | pinkutank | skaller |
| 18:52:16 | pinkutank | + |
| 18:52:22 | pinkutank | I really like changing daps |
| 18:52:24 | muesli_- | h120 isnt that thick |
| 18:52:29 | pinkutank | this my 4th/5th |
| 18:52:39 | pinkutank | i even owned a godot player |
| 18:52:43 | HCl | right, well. afk.. |
| 18:52:54 | pinkutank | that I requested from the manfacturer |
| 18:53:17 | pinkutank | I never sold any og the players with a loss tho |
| 18:53:25 | pinkutank | only the nomad jukebox 6gb |
| 18:53:36 | pinkutank | wich I sold for a 40$ difference from the retail |
| 18:54:02 | pinkutank | oh and the rio karma, after neing fixed xxxx times, was sold for 240-250 or so, I bought it for 280 at its time |
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| 18:57:29 | pinkutank | ok, I found a new reason to buy ipod |
| 18:57:30 | pinkutank | http://www.lovehoney.co.uk/product.cfm?id=5294 |
| 18:57:32 | pinkutank | :D:D |
| 18:57:37 | pinkutank | might not be worksafe |
| 18:57:49 | pinkutank | no problems with pictures |
| 18:57:51 | pinkutank | but words |
| 18:59:42 | pinkutank | people dont know where to stop |
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| 19:01:12 | pinkutank | are we really expecting to see a gigabeat rb soon? youi'd really resurrect the player you know, you can even get sponsorship from samsung |
| 19:01:27 | pinkutank | because trhe palyer is dead with its current fw |
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| 19:02:53 | pinkutank | ermm |
| 19:03:03 | pinkutank | I scared everyone now no one is alking to me :'( |
| 19:07:12 | NicoFR | is it possible to get a H300 sim win32 build without having to compile it myself ? |
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| 19:13:49 | Slasheri | preglow: now the wps speedup works, but i will add a thread to playlist to fix a performance issue with large playlists (> 5000 files), so it can scan the file pointers from dircache on background (it can take ~3s) |
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| 19:19:12 | _FireFly_ | Slasheri: have you changed something in wps.c wps-display.c to make your speedup for wps ?? |
| 19:19:54 | Slasheri | _FireFly_: only two lines in wps.c (very trivial change), nothing else :) |
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| 19:24:40 | _FireFly_ | Slasheri: i hope the changes are also trivial in my wps-widget :) |
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| 19:25:18 | Slasheri | _FireFly_: hehe, should be :) in fact i only moved two lines up a few slots |
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| 19:26:04 | markun | pinkutank: The X30 is not chuncky I think.. |
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| 19:27:08 | pinkutank | x30? |
| 19:27:17 | pinkutank | 3x0 ? |
| 19:27:34 | pinkutank | i think its an aesthatically pleasing brick |
| 19:28:09 | markun | This one? http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000530059563/ |
| 19:28:30 | pinkutank | oh tshibas |
| 19:28:36 | pinkutank | I didnt clal them chunky |
| 19:28:41 | pinkutank | i said h120 was a little chunky |
| 19:28:51 | markun | Why do you think that samsung would be happy? |
| 19:28:59 | markun | It's made by Toshiba |
| 19:30:27 | pinkutank | I know |
| 19:30:31 | pinkutank | i |
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| 19:30:35 | pinkutank | misthought it |
| 19:30:43 | pinkutank | then I didnt care for correcting it |
| 19:30:49 | pinkutank | because no one was answering |
| 19:31:03 | pinkutank | so do we see rb booting on gigabeats in a week? |
| 19:31:07 | pinkutank | month? |
| 19:31:58 | pinkutank | I' d really like a piano black gigabeat |
| 19:32:28 | pinkutank | 106×63×16mm |
| 19:33:59 | Mordov_ | I can't create bookmarks... no mather what setting I have it on... How is it suposed to work? |
| 19:34:21 | Mordov_ | there are som many different informations abapout it on rb.org... |
| 19:36:43 | markun | pinkutank: I think it will take a lot longer that a month, so if you need a new player now I would go for something else. |
| 19:39:14 | pinkutank | ipods 104.14x60.96x1.09 |
| 19:39:40 | pinkutank | depends on my ability to sell my h120 |
| 19:39:54 | pinkutank | I'll probably go for a video ipod tho |
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| 19:43:10 | amiconn | TiMiD: r u there? |
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| 19:47:45 | Slasheri | preglow: now the threaded version works too and i would say quite well :) user doesn't notice any more delays when loading playlist as usual |
| 19:48:11 | Slasheri | And after 5s of inactivity on playlist operations, dircache pointers are updated on background |
| 19:48:13 | amiconn | ??? |
| 19:48:40 | amiconn | I didn't know there was a delay in playlist handling? |
| 19:49:01 | Slasheri | amiconn: with dircache enabled, playlist can take a big advantage of that (instant wps for example without any delays) |
| 19:49:42 | Slasheri | amiconn: my new code introduced a delay with very large playlists (for example 5000 entries). It required some cpu power to find the corresponding dircache pointers to the file names |
| 19:49:49 | Slasheri | but now that is done on background |
| 19:50:18 | amiconn | Hmm, I hope this stuff will still work with dircache disabled |
| 19:50:26 | Slasheri | amiconn: yes, it will |
| 19:50:46 | Slasheri | and with HAVE_DIRCACHE, the new code is completely out on platforms without that feature |
| 19:51:14 | Moos | will you commit it soon? :) |
| 19:51:29 | Coldtoast | I found enabling Crossfeed and boosting the Replaygain preamp to 9 sounds good |
| 19:51:29 | amiconn | Hmm, that reminds me I wanted to try dircache on archos, just to see whether it works |
| 19:51:43 | amiconn | Could be used by people who have the 8MB mod and browse a lot |
| 19:52:33 | Slasheri | Moos: i try to commit today :) |
| 19:52:38 | Coldtoast | hey. Crossfade now seems to be less unpredictable |
| 19:52:51 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, interesting :) |
| 19:52:55 | Coldtoast | in teh last 2 days or so I've noticed it's better |
| 19:53:20 | Moos | Slasheri: that sounds really good, I'm unpatient |
| 19:54:45 | pinkutank | preglow, did you come up with the eq |
| 19:54:53 | amiconn | There are still a number of quirks with voice UI on iriver :( |
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| 19:59:26 | tucoz | For the danish understanding out there. A little piece on Rockbox: http://ing.dk/article/20050720/WEBLOG/50720002/-1/weblog |
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| 20:02:18 | ghode|afk | can someone direct me on how to find the crossFEED settings? |
| 20:02:49 | _FireFly_ | general->playback |
| 20:03:05 | ghode|afk | hmm it's not there... |
| 20:03:26 | _FireFly_ | which version do you run ?? |
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| 20:04:16 | ghode|afk | 051107 - 2337 |
| 20:04:31 | _FireFly_ | the menu-point is between replaygain and beep volume in general-settings->playback |
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| 20:04:47 | tucoz | ghode|afk, download the latest daily, or a bleeding edge |
| 20:04:53 | _FireFly_ | ^^ |
| 20:04:54 | muesli- | what is crossfeed btw? |
| 20:05:08 | markun | Maybe I should make a wiki page about crossfeed :) |
| 20:05:16 | tucoz | muesli-, it blends the left and right channel in a smart way |
| 20:05:18 | ghode|afk | yes :P |
| 20:05:51 | muesli- | what is that good for? *sorry for dumb question* |
| 20:05:53 | _FireFly_ | muesli-: http://www.naivesoftware.com/software.html |
| 20:05:57 | ghode|afk | are there any downsides? |
| 20:06:07 | tucoz | so that you can listen to e.g. beatles with headphones. I guess it tries to simulate speaker listening |
| 20:06:13 | markun | muesli-: You get less tired from listening to music with your headphones. |
| 20:06:21 | Coldtoast | the only downside is the huge volume drop |
| 20:06:22 | _FireFly_ | currently the volume is a bit decreased |
| 20:06:41 | Coldtoast | but you can boost it with Replaygain |
| 20:06:55 | _FireFly_ | or simply increase volume ;) |
| 20:07:09 | Coldtoast | I found even with teh preamp at 9, it doesn't distort and the volume is close to what iit is without crossfeed |
| 20:07:10 | _FireFly_ | replaygain doesn't do any differently |
| 20:07:12 | ghode|afk | does it consume more battery power? |
| 20:07:17 | Coldtoast | yes it does _FireFly_ |
| 20:07:32 | _FireFly_ | not realy afaik |
| 20:07:35 | tucoz | ghode|afk, very little I think. |
| 20:07:43 | Coldtoast | I know it does for a fact cos I used replaygainto get the volume back |
| 20:07:44 | markun | ghode|afk: A little, but preglow has another optimization he wants to commit. |
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| 20:08:04 | Coldtoast | I have Crossfeed enabled and Replaygain preamp set to 9 |
| 20:08:06 | markun | Coldtoast: You don't use replaygain normally? |
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| 20:09:26 | Coldtoast | I use replaygain 100% of the time now |
| 20:09:46 | Coldtoast | the only stuff I haven't Replaygained yet are tracks I've dump in a Temp dir on my player |
| 20:09:52 | Coldtoast | til I organise them |
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| 20:10:52 | _FireFly_ | replaygain does adjusting the volume not more or less |
| 20:10:53 | ghode|afk | btw, is there anyway we can have a link to past cvs commits on the main page? |
| 20:12:05 | Coldtoast | pardon? |
| 20:12:31 | Coldtoast | replaygain does too affect how loud the final result is |
| 20:12:50 | Coldtoast | you have to have replaygain info inteh track tho |
| 20:13:22 | Coldtoast | doesn't make any diff if there's no replaygain info |
| 20:14:40 | _FireFly_ | Coldtoast: if you set preamp to 0 and rise the volume about 9 you will get the same result |
| 20:15:38 | Coldtoast | heh. no you won't |
| 20:15:59 | Coldtoast | try this |
| 20:16:08 | Coldtoast | put the volume up to max |
| 20:16:13 | Coldtoast | then enable Crossfeed |
| 20:16:16 | Coldtoast | big volume drop |
| 20:16:27 | Coldtoast | then increase the preamp |
| 20:16:31 | Moos | this is theoricly decibels not volume steps |
| 20:16:33 | Coldtoast | in Replaygain |
| 20:16:53 | Moos | e.g: +9 is +9 decibels |
| 20:16:56 | _FireFly_ | ok but it makes only a kind of volume increasing nothing else |
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| 20:17:05 | Coldtoast | I have to have the volume up close to max cos the gym is SO damn loud |
| 20:17:11 | Coldtoast | yeah |
| 20:17:42 | Coldtoast | that's what I'm using Replaygain for tho. The volume drop from Crossfeed is enough that I can hear the god awful music they play at the gym |
| 20:18:02 | Coldtoast | so I have to increase the preamp in replaygain to be able to drown Celine Dion out again |
| 20:18:19 | Coldtoast | and Crossfeed does make things sound a bit nicer I find |
| 20:18:44 | markun | linuxstb: I want to find out what LCD is used in the gigabeat, any idea where to start looking? |
| 20:19:10 | markun | There is some writing on it, but I don't think it will help much: http://img289.imageshack.us/img289/4273/lcd1dw.jpg |
| 20:19:13 | _FireFly_ | Coldtoast: you need the pre-amp because you have your volume set to 100 but if hear normaly at 50 you will get the same result if crossfeed is enabled when you increase the volume to 60 |
| 20:19:46 | linuxstb | markun: Two methods: 1) Open a player and examine it; 2) Open the firmware and examine it. |
| 20:19:58 | linuxstb | The firmware upgrade contained an lcd driver as a .o file |
| 20:20:00 | Coldtoast | well, yeah |
| 20:20:05 | markun | Well, the picture is the result of method 1 |
| 20:20:13 | _FireFly_ | so what i said was right ;) |
| 20:20:34 | linuxstb | markun: The module is called legna-lcd-gb4.o |
| 20:20:46 | pinkutank | did preglow created the eq yet? |
| 20:20:48 | markun | linuxstb: Could I get the file from you? FreeBSD doesn't have romfs.. |
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| 20:21:02 | linuxstb | markun: Sure - I'll give you a tgz of the romfs |
| 20:21:12 | markun | ok, great |
| 20:21:20 | _FireFly_ | hi Cassandra |
| 20:21:23 | Cassandra | Heya |
| 20:21:31 | Cassandra | Compiling your fixed patch now. |
| 20:21:34 | Coldtoast | well, yeah. but you did also say "(_FireFly_): replaygain does adjusting the volume not more or less" |
| 20:21:35 | _FireFly_ | do you feel better |
| 20:21:38 | Cassandra | What turned out to be the problem? |
| 20:21:42 | Cassandra | Yes thanks. |
| 20:21:49 | Cassandra | Insomnia can be a bitch sometimes. |
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| 20:22:10 | Coldtoast | which, unless it's just the way it translates to English, sounded like you said adjusting the preamp makes no diff to the volume |
| 20:22:31 | Coldtoast | or it could be me |
| 20:22:51 | Cassandra | I really need to have a word with whoever did the crossfeed stuff at some point. |
| 20:22:59 | _FireFly_ | maybe i have said it a bit missunderstoodable |
| 20:23:07 | Coldtoast | haha |
| 20:23:25 | Coldtoast | missunderstoodable? that HAS to be adopted into the next edition of Websters |
| 20:23:28 | markun | Cassandra: Here I am :) |
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| 20:24:17 | _FireFly_ | did i say that english isn't my nativ language didn't i ? :) |
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| 20:25:11 | Coldtoast | I kind assumed. heh |
| 20:25:38 | pinkutank | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/cyborgsystems/CS_Main/RockBox/RockBox.htm |
| 20:25:44 | pinkutank | did this project ermm die? |
| 20:26:00 | Cassandra | markun: Am I right in thinking it's basically a special case of what we call "stereo width" on Archos? |
| 20:26:19 | _FireFly_ | pinkutank: no |
| 20:27:02 | Cassandra | _FireFly_, looking good. I'll just test the other platforms once more for safety and then we can commit this think, at last. |
| 20:27:13 | Cassandra | (Regression testing - ain't it a bitch.) |
| 20:27:16 | _FireFly_ | Cassandra: k |
| 20:27:43 | _FireFly_ | i had tested it on sim with player and Recorder v2 without problems |
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| 20:29:00 | ghode|afk | sigh, i just updated my build, and now when i tried to change tracks, the track restarts, is there some new setting i;ve missed? |
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| 20:29:29 | Coldtoast | oh, I had an issue with the FM Radio |
| 20:29:34 | Musicmad | hi guys - can you help. I trying the easy guide to compiling rb, but I can't seem to find the rbconf file. |
| 20:29:40 | Musicmad | where is that one supposed to be? |
| 20:29:50 | _FireFly_ | rbconf ?? |
| 20:30:13 | Musicmad | the easy guide tells me to run rbconf in the build folder |
| 20:30:42 | Cassandra | It probably means "configure". |
| 20:30:48 | Coldtoast | I did an auto scan and named one of the presets. When I skip forward (I think it was forwards) the preset was there but no name and if I skipped back thru presets, it was named. Did it a few times and crashed Rockbox |
| 20:31:02 | _FireFly_ | maybe rbconf is a script be part of the devkit |
| 20:31:24 | Musicmad | _FireFly_: makes senes, but it's nowhere to be found apparently. |
| 20:31:32 | Cassandra | Oh, unless it's one of Bluechip's modifications, in which case I know *nothing*. |
| 20:31:37 | markun | Cassandra: It's like stereo width, but the mixed signal is filtered and delayed. |
| 20:31:37 | Slasheri | preglow: committed |
| 20:31:58 | _FireFly_ | Musicmad: do you use devkit ?? |
| 20:32:09 | Cassandra | To give an echo effect? |
| 20:32:24 | _FireFly_ | no http://www.naivesoftware.com/software.html |
| 20:32:39 | Musicmad | _FireFly_: yes 3.14 |
| 20:32:45 | Cassandra | What I was wondering was is there a way you could generalise it so that we could just use it to do stereo width rather than adding a new setting? |
| 20:34:01 | Cassandra | Oh, and as a subsidiary note, why does it reduce the volume? |
| 20:34:08 | _FireFly_ | Musicmad: have you done a make in tools dir ?? |
| 20:35:12 | Musicmad | _FireFly_: I think I found out based on your hint. I should be running inside cygwin of course. |
| 20:35:19 | _FireFly_ | Cassandra: it shouldn't but the used high-pass filter isn't the best version |
| 20:35:27 | _FireFly_ | Musicmad: yepp ;) |
| 20:35:47 | Cassandra | Oh dear. |
| 20:36:14 | Musicmad | _FireFly_: problem was that the page didn't instruct me to run cygwin when getting source from CVS, That was only described when getting source from daily builds. I happily skipped that :) |
| 20:36:17 | markun | Cassandra: I probably didn't implement the filters very well :) I tried a lot of values to get the right sound. |
| 20:37:53 | _FireFly_ | yeah i had played a bit with the two values for the high-pass filer :) |
| 20:38:11 | _FireFly_ | some values produce interresting sounds ;) |
| 20:40:39 | pinkutank | musicmad if you still have problems, I can help |
| 20:40:47 | _FireFly_ | Slasheri: i don't see any problems with your changes in wps.c in conjunction with my wps-widget ;) |
| 20:40:50 | pinkutank | oh shit dinners calling |
| 20:40:55 | Musicmad | pinkutank: I'm happily compiling now - but thanks :) |
| 20:41:03 | Musicmad | enjoy your dinner instead. |
| 20:41:05 | amiconn | Slasheri: 2 remarks concerning your commit: (1) I hope the wps.c changes don't break the archos playback behaviour. (2) The voice: string in .lang files should *only* be filled in when the string is actually voiced, otherwise the space in the .voice files is wasted |
| 20:41:16 | pinkutank | ok, I had to learn it the hard way, trial and error, bu tI like computers so it was fun |
| 20:41:26 | pinkutank | if it didnt work, I wouldnt be saying it was fun tho |
| 20:41:31 | pinkutank | how hypocrite of me |
| 20:41:42 | pinkutank | oh well, did preglow create the eq? |
| 20:41:49 | pinkutank | I don't see it in the patches page |
| 20:41:58 | Slasheri | amiconn: Oh, i forgot that it could affect archos behaviour :/ |
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| 20:42:21 | Slasheri | i will fix the lang file |
| 20:42:27 | amiconn | The .voice files are quite tight; on archos there's a semi-hard limit of ~1.5MB, and while on iriver we have more RAM, we still don't want to grow it larger than necessary, because takes away buffer space |
| 20:44:57 | Slasheri | amiconn: I think the wps change should not affect archoses because it seems only to refresh the screen |
| 20:45:08 | amiconn | okay.. |
| 20:45:20 | Slasheri | but please check that if you could :) |
| 20:45:35 | pinkutank | no one knows about the eq? |
| 20:46:19 | pinkutank | been thinking, does ipod has enough buttons for efficient rb operation |
| 20:46:25 | Cassandra | Crap - aren't I about to delete wps.c when I commit the wps-widget? |
| 20:46:26 | pinkutank | and i think it does |
| 20:46:46 | pinkutank | does the ipod video have a nice processor? |
| 20:47:10 | pinkutank | like toshibas arm 400 :D, btw, the gigabeat rb w |
| 20:47:31 | pinkutank | ill probably increase its life alot due to efficient underclocking |
| 20:47:47 | pinkutank | I'm off to dinner |
| 20:47:58 | linuxstb | The ipod video has a PortalPlayer CPU (i.e. two 75Mhz or maybe faster) arm7tdmi cores, plus a video DSP which also has two 75MHz processors. |
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| 20:48:24 | linuxstb | But the toshibas look much more "hacker-friendly" than the new ipods. |
| 20:48:55 | pinkutank | ? does this mean rb for toshiba more likely than ipod video? |
| 20:49:05 | pinkutank | its only the video chip people have to undercome now |
| 20:49:25 | pinkutank | and the linux team will probably do it in a week or so, they were thinking of it |
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| 20:51:07 | linuxstb | pinkutank: It's impossible to predict what will happen. |
| 20:51:23 | pinkutank | i know i know, I'm tryng to hope here |
| 20:51:28 | _FireFly_ | Cassandra: ?? |
| 20:51:32 | pinkutank | of a future with a thin, big screen player |
| 20:51:40 | pinkutank | that can read manga faster than my h120 |
| 20:51:42 | pinkutank | :D |
| 20:51:45 | Musicmad | anybody knows if this is possible? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1850.0 |
| 20:51:56 | Cassandra | I thought the wps-widget replaced wps.c and wps-display.c |
| 20:51:57 | linuxstb | If I was you, I would buy a H320 or a color/photo iPod so you can use Rockbox in the near future. Anything else will be a gamble. |
| 20:52:24 | _FireFly_ | Cassandra: no |
| 20:52:31 | Cassandra | Someone needs to buy me an iPod nano. |
| 20:52:32 | pinkutank | h320 has a small screen + cannot be seen without backlight |
| 20:52:32 | linuxstb | Or wait a few weeks and see if the ipodlinux people release anything for the video. |
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| 20:52:46 | pinkutank | I cant sell my h120 in a week anyway, we'll see |
| 20:53:01 | linuxstb | pinkutank: All colour LCDs need a backlight. The ipod is the same - invisible without the backlight. |
| 20:53:05 | pinkutank | btw, is there any movement toward a more g gui |
| 20:53:19 | pinkutank | I thought I pod video has a reflective one, |
| 20:53:30 | linuxstb | Sorry, I don't know about the ipod video. |
| 20:53:30 | amiconn | Musicmad: Sure, in fact I wanted to implement that for quite a while, just never got around doing it |
| 20:53:48 | _FireFly_ | Cassandra: but all references about these two files are replaced with the new one or removed |
| 20:53:55 | linuxstb | pinkutank: You seem to have decided on the ipod video already :) |
| 20:54:16 | pinkutank | not really, but leaning towards it due to screen |
| 20:54:28 | pinkutank | although i dont like ipods much |
| 20:54:36 | _FireFly_ | Cassandra: so the code includes gwps.h and compiles gwps.c and gwps-common.c |
| 20:54:41 | pinkutank | wouldnt go for it if it wasnt for the improved audio chipset like the shuffles |
| 20:54:45 | pinkutank | well Im off for dinner |
| 20:54:52 | Cassandra | So if Slasheri has patched wps.c, then it won't have any effect, surely? |
| 20:55:06 | Cassandra | Not that I can see a commited patch to wps.c |
| 20:55:30 | Musicmad | amiconn: sounds great! |
| 20:55:32 | linuxstb | Cassandra: http://www.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-2005-11-17%2019:32:15.html |
| 20:55:44 | linuxstb | It's a very recent commit, and not on the home page yet. |
| 20:55:50 | _FireFly_ | Cassandra: yes |
| 20:55:59 | Musicmad | amiconn: I'll by pizza for you tonight then. |
| 20:56:20 | _FireFly_ | Cassandra: if you don't delete these two files explicitly |
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| 20:57:01 | Cassandra | Erm, surely I *should* delete them, if the code in them isn't being used any more? |
| 20:57:40 | _FireFly_ | Cassandra: gwps.c:338 and 396 these are the two lines which has Slasheri changes |
| 20:57:53 | _FireFly_ | in wps.c |
| 20:57:59 | Cassandra | OK - I'll just fix up gwps.c then? |
| 20:58:07 | _FireFly_ | yepp |
| 20:58:30 | _FireFly_ | 338 and 396 are the lines |
| 20:58:58 | _FireFly_ | 338 to 331 and 396 to 389 |
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| 21:00:09 | Cassandra | OK - no-one change anything for a moment. |
| 21:00:17 | Cassandra | What's your real name, firefly? |
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| 21:00:24 | _FireFly_ | Stephan Wezel |
| 21:00:27 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:00:48 | Cassandra | Oh, you're already in the CREDITS. |
| 21:01:07 | _FireFly_ | ;) |
| 21:02:20 | _FireFly_ | the power-adapter-wps-patch was from me :) |
| 21:02:29 | Cassandra | *nods* |
| 21:02:40 | _FireFly_ | and a small fix for the automatic shutdown |
| 21:03:02 | _FireFly_ | which was broken after an cvs commit |
| 21:03:04 | * | Cassandra just does a quick sanity check that it builds without wps(-display).(c|h) |
| 21:04:02 | linuxstb | Can anyone tell me what key combinations are missing from the WPS table here: |
| 21:04:03 | linuxstb | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ButtonAssignments |
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| 21:04:22 | linuxstb | Shouldn't there be quick-menu and context-menu as well? |
| 21:05:11 | _FireFly_ | yepp |
| 21:05:23 | linuxstb | OK, I've found this page as well: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/KeymapIriverHSeries |
| 21:05:54 | linuxstb | Looks like 18 actions you can do on the WPS screen with different button combinations.... |
| 21:06:31 | linuxstb | With some duplicates - so 16 unique actions. |
| 21:06:49 | * | Cassandra contemplates hitting cvs with a big hammer. |
| 21:07:18 | _FireFly_ | linuxstb: long press play for context-menu is worng it is long-press navi/menu |
| 21:07:28 | _FireFly_ | in wps |
| 21:08:00 | _FireFly_ | ups nothing is wrong |
| 21:08:19 | linuxstb | I didn't write that page - I just added the ipod row at the bottom. |
| 21:08:20 | _FireFly_ | it is only missing |
| 21:08:36 | linuxstb | But now I realise that that table is the simple version... |
| 21:09:14 | _FireFly_ | yeah both tables missing some entrys which is on the other table |
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| 21:09:25 | Acksaw | jeu |
| 21:09:26 | Acksaw | hey* |
| 21:10:40 | _FireFly_ | linuxstb: it would be good to put both tables together wouldn't be ?? |
| 21:13:21 | Cassandra | No, says cvs, you must update your copy of wps.c *then* delete it. |
| 21:13:29 | * | Cassandra facepalms. |
| 21:13:38 | Cassandra | I can see why it's doing it, but ... |
| 21:15:02 | Acksaw | any ideas when the first rockbox will be available for download now the bootloader is complete? |
| 21:15:33 | Cassandra | In a while |
| 21:15:36 | Cassandra | (TM) |
| 21:15:44 | Acksaw | lol |
| 21:15:49 | Cassandra | Right, commited. And I probably should be too. |
| 21:15:51 | Acksaw | few days, weeks? |
| 21:15:56 | Cassandra | Yes. |
| 21:16:10 | Acksaw | which one? |
| 21:16:17 | Cassandra | Sorry for the unhelpful answers, but we really can't say. |
| 21:16:20 | Acksaw | ok |
| 21:16:30 | Acksaw | any time suits me as long as its soon ;) |
| 21:16:39 | Acksaw | nice to see alot has been done tho |
| 21:16:42 | Acksaw | great work |
| 21:16:47 | Cassandra | Sooner rather than later, I expect, but we promise nothing. |
| 21:16:52 | pinkutank | acks are you talkin about the pod |
| 21:17:16 | pinkutank | probably, doesnt matter |
| 21:17:16 | Acksaw | h300 |
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| 21:17:20 | pinkutank | oh |
| 21:17:51 | Cassandra | Slasheri - I think I just broke your last commit. |
| 21:18:21 | Cassandra | Oh, maybe not, actually. |
| 21:18:43 | Cassandra | No, it's fine. |
| 21:18:52 | _FireFly_ | Cassandra: gwps.ch and gwps-common.ch are missing |
| 21:19:02 | Cassandra | _FireFly_, oops. |
| 21:19:24 | _FireFly_ | ;) |
| 21:19:37 | preglow | Slasheri: great, i'll try it soon |
| 21:19:54 | preglow | pinkutank: no, it's not done yet, and probably wont be for a while, i've suddenly got other things to do |
| 21:20:14 | pinkutank | ok, just wanted to ask |
| 21:20:24 | pinkutank | you guys having an intense time of commitment there :) |
| 21:21:19 | pinkutank | I'll pick it up in some hours and recompile |
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| 21:22:22 | Musicmad | anybody knows how easy a level meter on the recording screen would be to implement? |
| 21:22:41 | Musicmad | would kick some serious a** |
| 21:22:50 | pinkutank | hmm |
| 21:22:56 | pinkutank | I think it shouldnt be hard |
| 21:22:59 | Slasheri | Musicmad: i already had it implemented some time ago.. |
| 21:23:14 | Slasheri | i can add it to cvs when i have time enough |
| 21:23:16 | pinkutank | just use the one used in the wps as monitor there |
| 21:23:30 | pinkutank | If you want it I can patch one for you musicmad |
| 21:23:34 | pinkutank | if its in the patches |
| 21:23:51 | Cassandra | Badger needs to commit his updated wpsbuild.pl now. |
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| 21:25:53 | Cassandra | Why do people keep asking us to make the bootloader boot the iRiver firmware by default? |
| 21:26:45 | _FireFly_ | yeah |
| 21:27:02 | preglow | i think that o ne answers itself |
| 21:27:08 | Coldtoast | heh. make the hold switch select the firmware instead :) |
| 21:27:15 | Musicmad | Slasheri: would be great. |
| 21:27:34 | Musicmad | pinkutank: would like to have go at patching myself. Do you know where I can search for a patch? |
| 21:28:08 | pinkutank | I thought slasheri created a patch |
| 21:28:13 | pinkutank | but didnt commit |
| 21:28:16 | pinkutank | was I wrong |
| 21:28:27 | Slasheri | pinkutank: yes, long time ago. But currently it's not in working state |
| 21:28:32 | Slasheri | I would need to fix it.. |
| 21:28:40 | Coldtoast | is Xavier still working on his remote LCD stuff? |
| 21:28:51 | _FireFly_ | no afaik |
| 21:29:07 | _FireFly_ | currently TiMiD and i working mostly on it |
| 21:29:24 | _FireFly_ | and just is my wps-widget commited to cvs |
| 21:29:33 | Coldtoast | you going to add support for remote LCD wps? |
| 21:29:47 | Cassandra | Yes, thanks for that, firefly. A nice bit of work. |
| 21:30:10 | _FireFly_ | not going to now rb has remote-wps support in cvs ;) |
| 21:30:18 | Coldtoast | ah cool |
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| 21:31:18 | Musicmad | Slasheri: I look forward to the feature whenever you get around to have a look at it. |
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| 21:32:00 | Cassandra | This means I now have to design a .rwps for boxes. Curse you firefly! |
| 21:32:12 | Cassandra | Hold on, I just made more work for myself, didn't I? Arse. |
| 21:32:17 | XavierGr | wow cool wps for remote at last |
| 21:32:26 | Coldtoast | it'll be cool when there's no lag with he peak meter so it's synced with the audio |
| 21:32:41 | San||Away | any update on the H300? |
| 21:33:14 | XavierGr | blah who uses peak meters in playback |
| 21:33:23 | _FireFly_ | the only thing which doesn't work on the remote is the peakmeter |
| 21:33:24 | Coldtoast | me |
| 21:33:24 | XavierGr | peak meters are only isefull in recording IMHO |
| 21:33:32 | _FireFly_ | currently |
| 21:33:33 | Coldtoast | they look nice |
| 21:33:40 | Coldtoast | they add life and movement to a wps |
| 21:33:47 | Slasheri | _FireFly_: oh, really? i will try out :) |
| 21:33:53 | Cassandra | I've never been much of a fan myself. |
| 21:34:06 | Cassandra | But then I think the Rockbox peakmeter is kind of ugly. |
| 21:34:14 | Coldtoast | I agree |
| 21:34:17 | Coldtoast | but it's there |
| 21:34:23 | _FireFly_ | Slasheri: it won't work because i havn't updated it to work with screen-access ;) |
| 21:34:23 | Cassandra | It's about the only thing iRiver do better. |
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| 21:34:29 | Slasheri | ah :D |
| 21:34:48 | Slasheri | hehe, at least cvs update deleted the wps.c :) |
| 21:35:12 | _FireFly_ | not needed anymore :) |
| 21:35:29 | Cassandra | Oh, firefly, any updates need to be made to the WPS documentation on the wiki, btw? |
| 21:35:30 | Coldtoast | is there a default remote wps? |
| 21:35:45 | _FireFly_ | Coldtoast: yepp |
| 21:36:04 | _FireFly_ | Cassandra: not that i know |
| 21:36:19 | Coldtoast | cool. I'll get the latest bleeding edge in a bit |
| 21:36:25 | Cassandra | The file isn't copied over because the build script isn't updated for .rwps support yet. |
| 21:36:50 | _FireFly_ | if hadn't used my patch before he will get the default wps |
| 21:36:54 | Cassandra | But you can copy rockbox_default.wps to rockbox_default.rwps and things will just work. |
| 21:37:06 | _FireFly_ | without loading the dummy file |
| 21:37:17 | Cassandra | This is true, but he may want to get back to the original afterwards. ;) |
| 21:37:32 | Coldtoast | the Ipod will be interesting I reckon. Ppl do seem to love that even-a-retarded-monkey-could-use-it interface |
| 21:38:52 | _FireFly_ | Cassandra: yes he needs the dummy-file if he had loaded a other .rwps file before and now wants to get back :) |
| 21:39:56 | preglow | Slasheri: seems like it works well |
| 21:40:12 | preglow | Slasheri: this combined with dircache is really killer |
| 21:40:25 | preglow | Slasheri: i accidentally had dircache disabled the other day, i can't believe how i survived living without it |
| 21:40:38 | _FireFly_ | *g* |
| 21:41:06 | Musicmad | dircache is the shit. No doubt. |
| 21:41:24 | _FireFly_ | Musicmad: why ?? |
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| 21:41:33 | Coldtoast | what's REALLY cool is I was getting annoyed with how slow Rockbox was when you wnated to browse the filetree. I check the latest bleeding edge and dircache was implemented |
| 21:41:46 | Musicmad | _FireFly_: "the shit" as in "really good" |
| 21:41:56 | _FireFly_ | oh |
| 21:42:02 | Coldtoast | the day it was annoying me in poarticular, you guys had implemented it |
| 21:42:36 | Cassandra | Wow - directory cache *is* cool. Didn't know that'd gone in. |
| 21:42:37 | Coldtoast | you mean "teh shiznit" |
| 21:42:44 | pinkutank | lol |
| 21:42:56 | Cassandra | Shame it slows down boot up. |
| 21:43:04 | _FireFly_ | only the first boot |
| 21:43:05 | Coldtoast | only the first time Cassandra |
| 21:43:12 | pinkutank | dircache eats memory tho right? |
| 21:43:18 | _FireFly_ | or if transparent caching fails |
| 21:43:29 | pinkutank | meaning it would be killing the looka t jpegs while listening :) |
| 21:43:29 | Cassandra | I like the status message though. We should do a few more of those. |
| 21:43:31 | _FireFly_ | pinkutank: yepp but not much afaik |
| 21:43:56 | Cassandra | With 32mb, you can afford to throw away a couple of MB on things like dircache. |
| 21:44:05 | pinkutank | btw, you said this combined with dircache, what was the "this" you were talking of |
| 21:44:07 | pinkutank | oh lol |
| 21:44:13 | Coldtoast | I think dircache is very worth sacrificing some mem |
| 21:44:21 | pinkutank | I dont have +1mb jpegs anyway |
| 21:44:24 | Cassandra | Surely it'll have to rescan every time you change the disk though. |
| 21:44:37 | Coldtoast | \you won't notice Cassandra |
| 21:44:38 | _FireFly_ | yepp but mostly in background |
| 21:45:01 | Coldtoast | I dump stuff on mine constantly and it doesn't re-scan when I boot |
| 21:45:03 | pinkutank | I forgot the 32 chache |
| 21:45:11 | pinkutank | so its in the bleeding edge build now |
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| 21:45:34 | Coldtoast | well, doesn't blatantly do it so I notice. heh |
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| 21:48:20 | Slasheri | preglow: hehe, nice :) |
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| 21:49:13 | stinkbud | thanks you guys for all the h300 work guys |
| 21:49:26 | Coldtoast | roll on the bootloader! |
| 21:49:54 | Cassandra | linus is the guy you want to thank. |
| 21:50:07 | stinkbud | linus, you da man |
| 21:50:29 | stinkbud | but thank you everyone involved. This is faster than I ever hoped. |
| 21:50:32 | Cassandra | We need a faster Rockbox build host. |
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| 21:50:46 | stinkbud | I am surprised to see efforts on an ipod port |
| 21:50:46 | Cassandra | It's taking about 20 minutes to build with all these platforms. |
| 21:50:59 | Cassandra | People work on what interests them. |
| 21:51:05 | stinkbud | true that |
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| 21:51:21 | stinkbud | will the ipod port support all the crazy ipod atachments that are out there? |
| 21:51:33 | Cassandra | Unlikely. |
| 21:51:37 | Cassandra | But not impossible. |
| 21:51:37 | linuxstb | Possible. |
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| 21:51:55 | stinkbud | interesting |
| 21:52:01 | _FireFly_ | i think it depends if the atachements needs special handling of the firmware or not |
| 21:52:11 | stinkbud | now finally there is a reason to consider an ipod |
| 21:52:25 | stinkbud | I love my h320 but apple has it beat on form factor |
| 21:52:53 | * | Cassandra ponders getting an iPod Nano for Christmas (in the New Year, when they're cheaper.) |
| 21:53:32 | stinkbud | i am a total noob when rockbox is concerned, so bear with any stupid questions |
| 21:53:55 | stinkbud | color ipods, they would support video with rockbox? |
| 21:54:16 | Cassandra | Probably, but Rockbox video is a bit of a hack. |
| 21:54:22 | stinkbud | i see the black and white rockbox has video support |
| 21:54:25 | Cassandra | And it'd need updating to support colour screens. |
| 21:54:27 | amiconn | Yes |
| 21:54:38 | stinkbud | amazing |
| 21:54:45 | amiconn | b&w video is uncompressed, and the archos screen is tiny |
| 21:55:01 | amiconn | Uncompressed video is out of question for colour lcd |
| 21:55:19 | Cassandra | Can't imagine the iPod Nano has a very large screen though. |
| 21:55:20 | pinkutank | hehe |
| 21:55:29 | linuxstb | The ipodlinux video player uses uncompressed video and uncompressed PCM audio. But 2GB (the FAT32 limit) gives you about 15 minutes playback. |
| 21:55:35 | Maxime | rockbox for iriver supports rockbox video? oO |
| 21:55:36 | stinkbud | it will be very interesting to see if the "anti ipod" crowd will start to switch once ipod is successfully portd |
| 21:55:43 | pinkutank | btw, building a simulator, where do i put the .rockbox directory, it says no .rockbox dir |
| 21:55:49 | amiconn | So in order to bring video to these, someone really interested has to start working on porting and optimising video codecs |
| 21:55:53 | pinkutank | I would stinkbud |
| 21:56:05 | amiconn | linuxstb: ! |
| 21:56:05 | pinkutank | but only to the ones with shuffles audio chipset |
| 21:56:09 | stinkbud | i may too |
| 21:56:09 | linuxstb | amiconn: "codecs" - that's optimistic :) |
| 21:56:09 | Cassandra | pinkutank, in the archos/ dir. Just do a "make install" and it will do it for you. |
| 21:56:30 | stinkbud | and as far as itunes....compatible with rockbox? |
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| 21:56:41 | pinkutank | make install in which dir |
| 21:56:47 | Cassandra | Nope, but someone may make efforts in that direction. |
| 21:56:57 | Cassandra | Your simulator build dir. |
| 21:57:20 | Cassandra | Personally I couldn't give a fig. I have no desire to use Apple's crappy DRM. |
| 21:57:40 | linuxstb | stinkbud: The reason for Rockbox is to free users from itunes. |
| 21:57:53 | pinkutank | :) |
| 21:57:54 | _FireFly_ | pinkutank: build-dir of the sim |
| 21:57:56 | pinkutank | why itunes |
| 21:58:09 | Musicmad | the Sony DRM owns though Cassandra :) |
| 21:58:15 | linuxstb | If you want an ipod that syncs with itunes and plays back only files supported by itunes, then stick with the Apple firmware. |
| 21:58:52 | Cassandra | We don't talk about Sony. I'd boycott them, if I wasn't already boycotting them for being shit, and boycotting any DRMed music anyway. |
| 21:59:03 | Cassandra | Erm, copy protected music, I mean. |
| 21:59:12 | Coldtoast | well, iTunes are ripping people off |
| 21:59:14 | stinkbud | i would imagine that you would have more leeway as far as backing up ipod tunes as well\ |
| 21:59:27 | stinkbud | I know that is annoying |
| 21:59:40 | pinkutank | why youd want itunes? |
| 21:59:51 | Cassandra | I don't consider 99p a tune unreasonable. |
| 21:59:52 | Musicmad | true |
| 21:59:52 | linuxstb | stinkbud: You can copy music back from an ipod to a PC just using Windows Explorer. |
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| 22:00:10 | pinkutank | such syncing is kidsplay jsut wih an autoplay.inf |
| 22:00:14 | ^BeN^ | mmmm, wtf is WPS? |
| 22:00:16 | Cassandra | But (a) I usually buy albums and (b) once I've paid my 99p it's not up to Apple where I listen to it. |
| 22:00:19 | pinkutank | cassandra |
| 22:00:19 | linuxstb | Cassandra: If you accidentally delete the file, you have to buy it again. |
| 22:00:26 | pinkutank | i think its not reasonable |
| 22:00:33 | pinkutank | you can buy cds for 5-6$ |
| 22:00:42 | pinkutank | I rather own the original media |
| 22:00:46 | pinkutank | and rip from it |
| 22:00:51 | _FireFly_ | ^BeN^: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
| 22:00:59 | Cassandra | Yeah, well sometimes I just want one track. |
| 22:01:01 | ^BeN^ | 10q |
| 22:01:02 | _FireFly_ | ^BeN^: wps = while-playing-screen |
| 22:01:08 | Cassandra | Albums are like bulk buying, you see. :) |
| 22:01:12 | Maxime | rockbox for iriver supports rockbox video? oO |
| 22:01:33 | Cassandra | AFAIK, although no-one's bothered recoding it for the iRiver screen. |
| 22:01:35 | ^BeN^ | cool =] 10x |
| 22:01:39 | pinkutank | well, bying 5 albums with itunes will cost you 60 or more |
| 22:01:57 | pinkutank | where 5 cds will cost 50 |
| 22:01:59 | Maxime | k |
| 22:02:12 | pinkutank | I meant 30 |
| 22:02:17 | Cassandra | I don't really understand what all the fuss about video is anyway. I don't really see it as anything other than a cool toy. |
| 22:02:23 | pinkutank | so you can buy another 5 for the single track |
| 22:02:34 | Maxime | Cassandra: it is a cool toy.. that's it.. |
| 22:02:35 | Maxime | :x |
| 22:02:37 | _FireFly_ | pinkutank: yepp itunes and co are only cheaper if you only want special tracks of a album |
| 22:02:57 | Cassandra | Still cheaper than CD singles. |
| 22:03:06 | markun | resume after stop doesn't work anymore.. |
| 22:03:06 | Cassandra | Does anyone still buy those? |
| 22:03:14 | _FireFly_ | me not :) |
| 22:03:15 | pinkutank | bah, hate drm |
| 22:03:19 | pinkutank | I ll buy 5 cds |
| 22:03:20 | Coldtoast | check this story out |
| 22:03:23 | pinkutank | and download the singles |
| 22:03:27 | Coldtoast | http://www.creativecomponent.com/2005/11/14/music-selling-delimma-itunes |
| 22:03:29 | Cassandra | Works for me, markun. |
| 22:03:44 | markun | Cassandra: I just updated. Strange. |
| 22:03:46 | Coldtoast | if that's true, I'm not sure I want to buy ANYTHING off of itunes |
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| 22:04:21 | markun | I also have the unicode patch applied, but don't think that has anything to do with it. |
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| 22:04:42 | Musicmad | too bad DRM10 isn't as easy to strip as DRM9 btw. |
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| 22:07:17 | _FireFly_ | markun it works for me too |
| 22:07:30 | pinkutank | lol |
| 22:07:34 | pinkutank | i read the article |
| 22:07:48 | pinkutank | the whole point of drm was so the artists dont lose money |
| 22:07:54 | ashridah | Musicmad: that was inevitable. it's too easy to build decent encryption when you're dealing with black boxes. |
| 22:07:58 | pinkutank | I smell monopoly of distribution |
| 22:08:08 | ashridah | pinkutank: no, it's so that labels don't lose money. i doubt it affects the artists |
| 22:08:13 | Coldtoast | if it's true, it sucks |
| 22:08:28 | pinkutank | small scale artists get paid per cd |
| 22:08:47 | Cassandra | small scale artists don't usually get paid. |
| 22:08:47 | Musicmad | pinkutank: most artist does that actually. |
| 22:09:14 | pinkutank | well, I'm not in the economical situation to buy cds in my country |
| 22:09:14 | Musicmad | nice english there mm. |
| 22:09:21 | Cassandra | The music business really does rip off its talent something chronic. |
| 22:09:25 | preglow | pinkutank: where do you live? |
| 22:09:29 | pinkutank | theyre 15$ a pop |
| 22:09:31 | pinkutank | Turkey |
| 22:09:37 | preglow | 15? |
| 22:09:38 | preglow | hah |
| 22:09:42 | preglow | cheap compared to norway |
| 22:09:43 | Coldtoast | bedtime |
| 22:09:44 | pinkutank | sometimes more |
| 22:09:47 | pinkutank | 15-25 |
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| 22:09:50 | Musicmad | cheap compared to Denmark too |
| 22:09:53 | pinkutank | but in norway |
| 22:09:59 | pinkutank | you get 10x our wages |
| 22:10:03 | preglow | pinkutank: they can easily be 25$ here |
| 22:10:03 | pinkutank | literally 10 |
| 22:10:15 | preglow | pinkutank: probably, don't know anything about that |
| 22:10:21 | preglow | i do know our wages are high |
| 22:10:30 | * | ashridah waits for the day when he can get a quantum computer to fit on his desk |
| 22:10:31 | pinkutank | my father goes to norway alot |
| 22:10:35 | pinkutank | im pretty sure |
| 22:10:35 | ashridah | drm's going to go down that day :) |
| 22:10:37 | pinkutank | wages here |
| 22:10:40 | pinkutank | are usually |
| 22:10:45 | pinkutank | 330$ |
| 22:10:52 | Cassandra | My sister was bitten by a moose once. |
| 22:11:01 | preglow | Cassandra: haha, she's lucky she even saw one |
| 22:11:14 | pinkutank | its the nominal, yet most given wage, unless you are managing or doing something ordinary, you get 330$ |
| 22:11:15 | preglow | Cassandra: my english grandfather's been wanting to see one for his entire life, he hasn't yet |
| 22:11:32 | Cassandra | preglow, well, it's not actually true. It's a Monty Python reference. |
| 22:11:36 | Cassandra | Fear my geekiness. |
| 22:11:49 | preglow | Cassandra: oh? can't remember it :/ |
| 22:12:05 | Cassandra | From holy grail, I think. |
| 22:12:16 | pinkutank | thats monthly |
| 22:12:17 | preglow | right, been a a couple of years since i saw that one last |
| 22:12:25 | Cassandra | They might not have included the fake Norwegian subtitles in the Benelux releases. |
| 22:12:26 | preglow | pinkutank: yes, then we do indeed have tons higher wages |
| 22:12:39 | preglow | Cassandra: mine's english |
| 22:12:49 | pinkutank | norway is nice |
| 22:12:53 | pinkutank | I rather liek the climate |
| 22:12:55 | Cassandra | Fair enough. |
| 22:13:36 | preglow | yeah, i like the climate myself |
| 22:13:42 | pinkutank | I wanted to go to nordens fotoskola in sweden, but I thought it was english that was why, it turns out it is swedish |
| 22:13:43 | preglow | would have been nice with some snow, though |
| 22:13:55 | preglow | but no luck there yet |
| 22:13:59 | pinkutank | I really want to live in such a country |
| 22:14:21 | pinkutank | isolated but not derelict |
| 22:16:29 | Musicmad | preglow: do you know how the skiing is when you live in stavanger? |
| 22:17:07 | pinkutank | my father was a cross country skier |
| 22:17:33 | pinkutank | met one your kings if I remember right, but I dont remember which country it was, could be swe |
| 22:17:35 | amiconn | TiMiD? |
| 22:17:54 | preglow | Musicmad: decent |
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| 22:18:26 | webguest45 | hey everyone, I don't know if this is a known bug or not |
| 22:18:26 | Musicmad | excellent - I'm going for a week in january og early february - any recommendations? |
| 22:18:38 | webguest45 | but the boxes and engineer2 wps's on the latest build do not work |
| 22:18:56 | pinkutank | i think its the BMPs, change them to bmp |
| 22:19:19 | webguest45 | rockbox crashes with the WPS code on the remote screen, and a blank screen on the main player |
| 22:19:25 | preglow | Musicmad: none at all, i've never actually been there myself |
| 22:19:45 | webguest45 | wait, change the filename of the bmp's from *.BMP to *.bmp, or within the wps file? |
| 22:20:01 | _FireFly_ | yepp the files |
| 22:20:09 | Musicmad | preglow: ok - thanks anyway |
| 22:20:28 | Cassandra | webguest45, works fine for me. |
| 22:21:24 | webguest45 | hmm... all the files within the directory ARE named *.bmp, not *.BMP... |
| 22:22:00 | pinkutank | hmm |
| 22:22:05 | pinkutank | check the patch page |
| 22:22:15 | pinkutank | it might have to do with the news wps.c |
| 22:22:53 | webguest45 | yeah, i actually JUST upgraded to the bleeding edge because I saw that the remote WPS is finally in the official build |
| 22:23:04 | webguest45 | I've been too lazy to actually build in the patch :-p |
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| 22:24:07 | CyberD | rockbox for iriver h300 is out? |
| 22:24:12 | preglow | no |
| 22:24:35 | CyberD | when he should be redy? |
| 22:24:48 | linuxstb | soon |
| 22:24:55 | XavierGr | when it is ready |
| 22:24:59 | ashridah | CyberD: bootloader, hopefully in a few days. the actual firmware might take a bit of work, i suspect |
| 22:25:09 | XavierGr | ^ |
| 22:25:30 | pinkutank | ermmm shouldnt the menu showin in the simulator, i compiled a simualtor from dailyb, its not showing anything :) |
| 22:25:45 | pinkutank | only the statusbar |
| 22:26:00 | _FireFly_ | press ins to get int menu |
| 22:26:31 | _FireFly_ | you must place some files into the dir archos to have some content in filetree :) |
| 22:26:35 | webguest45 | hmmm... my wps problem is really weird... I just tried loading the boxes wps just then through the settings menu, it crashed again with the WPS code showing on the remote, and a blank screen on the main unit |
| 22:26:46 | Cassandra | Someone change the topic to "No-one knows when H300/iPod will be ready", please. |
| 22:26:50 | webguest45 | the hard drive also clicked off almost immediately |
| 22:27:04 | pinkutank | firefly:oh I forgot, thanks hehe |
| 22:27:18 | Cassandra | webguest45, file corruption? Try deleting your .rockbox dir and re-installing. |
| 22:27:46 | webguest45 | it's a brand new extract, just did it less than 20 min ago |
| 22:28:35 | pinkutank | then redownload |
| 22:28:38 | Cassandra | Could still be a corrupt file. I can't think of anything else that might cause that. |
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| 22:29:13 | webguest45 | okie, trying a redownload/reextract, although considering it's a zip archive, a corruption would be unextractable... |
| 22:29:28 | webguest45 | strangely, the ipodVOL wps works fine... |
| 22:29:44 | webguest45 | just boxes and engineer2 |
| 22:30:00 | _FireFly_ | check your drive |
| 22:30:07 | _FireFly_ | with scandisk or similar |
| 22:31:15 | pinkutank | someone need to update the custom wps wiki |
| 22:32:21 | pinkutank | does anyone have the link to the new kind of wps configs page |
| 22:32:46 | webguest45 | hmmm... very strange, clean extract dies with the same problem, blank screen on unit, no backlight, hard drive clicks off |
| 22:32:46 | _FireFly_ | oh right a short note that now remote-wps exists for iriver should be added |
| 22:33:12 | _FireFly_ | webguest45: please check your drive with scandisk or similar programs |
| 22:33:18 | pinkutank | firefly |
| 22:33:23 | webguest45 | yeah, doing so right now |
| 22:33:26 | pinkutank | iwas tralking about the new way of adding bmps |
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| 22:36:05 | webguest45 | hmmm... this is problematic... seems that my disk is going on the fritz, lots of IO errors |
| 22:36:26 | pinkutank | http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2005-11/0170.shtml |
| 22:36:34 | pinkutank | is this committed yet |
| 22:36:52 | dpassen1 | yes |
| 22:37:00 | pinkutank | yes to who |
| 22:37:06 | dpassen1 | that was comitted |
| 22:37:54 | pinkutank | but it doesnt work ? |
| 22:38:31 | pinkutank | its probably my wpss fault |
| 22:38:44 | dpassen1 | i know it was working, perhaps a recent commit changed that or a wps fault |
| 22:38:50 | pinkutank | I'll recheck |
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| 22:39:37 | _FireFly_ | the dir for the images must have the same name as the filename without the .wps .rwps extension |
| 22:39:55 | _FireFly_ | in the wps-file you need only give the filename to load |
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| 22:40:15 | pinkutank | thats what i did |
| 22:40:39 | _FireFly_ | have you made the bitmap yourself ?? |
| 22:40:59 | _FireFly_ | the bitmaps must be monochrome (1bit) |
| 22:41:23 | preglow | linuxstb: what does the cop currently do in ipl? |
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| 22:42:58 | pinkutank | yes they should be, letme check again tho |
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| 22:44:43 | XavierGr | the battery estimated calculations are way off below 40% level |
| 22:45:11 | preglow | XavierGr: the estimate is a wild guess |
| 22:45:13 | preglow | so no wonder |
| 22:45:22 | XavierGr | if my plugin doesn't affect battery time we could make them better. |
| 22:45:57 | XavierGr | What is calculated ETA or % level? |
| 22:46:14 | XavierGr | It seems that the ETA comes from the % level, no |
| 22:46:46 | XavierGr | because they have the same spots in my graphs |
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| 22:47:14 | XavierGr | so I guess that one of the 2 is calculated then the other is extracted from the first. |
| 22:47:16 | preglow | XavierGr: we can't make it better without complicating it wildly |
| 22:47:26 | preglow | XavierGr: the guess depends on battery type, usage pattern, codec type, etc |
| 22:48:24 | XavierGr | anyway my second test (same, with out the plugin) is almost over and seems that there is no extra battery usage with my plugin. |
| 22:48:30 | XavierGr | I will now in 1 hour |
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| 22:49:07 | XavierGr | if not then this will make a handy utility for all those that like to test their battery every once in a while. |
| 22:49:57 | preglow | sure |
| 22:50:03 | preglow | i don't think your plugin uses much battery now |
| 22:50:20 | XavierGr | Well until now the data agree on that. |
| 22:50:29 | XavierGr | but lets wait until the player dies again. |
| 22:51:04 | XavierGr | also now I thought of something more good for my plugin |
| 22:51:29 | XavierGr | currently the plugin will log every time the disk spins. But it will log current status of the battery. |
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| 22:52:18 | XavierGr | it would be more good to keep in memory level, and voltage changes and then when the disk spins write all the data in the log. What do you think? |
| 22:52:31 | XavierGr | will this make it more battery hungry? |
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| 22:53:12 | pinkutank | which plugin |
| 22:53:17 | pinkutank | the battery tester? |
| 22:54:29 | XavierGr | battery benchmark |
| 22:54:33 | XavierGr | not yet in cvs |
| 22:54:43 | XavierGr | there is a patch on the tracker |
| 22:54:53 | XavierGr | but I need to update it with latest changes |
| 22:55:31 | _FireFly_ | Slasheri: ? |
| 22:55:47 | Cassandra | Bah, sourceforge is being crappy. |
| 22:56:40 | Cassandra | And why oh why does my monitor keep thinking my graphics card aspect ratio is 4:3? |
| 22:56:46 | preglow | does sourceforge _ever_ work these days? |
| 22:57:09 | Cassandra | Guess it's worth every penny we pay for it. |
| 22:57:13 | pinkutank | i think I'll create a wps sometime soon |
| 22:57:18 | _FireFly_ | sf gets slow in the evening |
| 22:57:22 | pinkutank | does bmps affect battery lfie alot? |
| 22:57:25 | Cassandra | All the cool kids are doing it. |
| 22:57:31 | pinkutank | I thoutght as long as theyre static |
| 22:57:33 | Bagder | sf is always slow |
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| 22:57:46 | Bagder | and has been so for years |
| 22:58:10 | pinkutank | send me your patches, I'll put them on my server |
| 22:58:11 | _FireFly_ | Bagder: not at all at 8:00am(MET) it is faster then now ;) |
| 22:58:12 | Cassandra | Heya Bagder - hows rwps support for wpsbuild coming? |
| 22:58:20 | pinkutank | you can link in sf |
| 22:58:23 | ashridah | they've updated the web interface a bit tho. looks slightly nicer, a little easier to read. still slow tho :) |
| 22:58:30 | pinkutank | so it will save them bandwith |
| 22:58:36 | Cassandra | I've thought of another complication for you. |
| 22:58:41 | pinkutank | ; will work faster |
| 22:58:42 | Bagder | yes, their new interface is indeed better |
| 22:58:56 | Bagder | Cassandra: noooo :-) |
| 22:59:03 | Cassandra | It'd be nice to be able to make WPSes available to fit multiple targets. |
| 22:59:25 | Cassandra | So the correct one for your target gets copied onto the player. |
| 22:59:37 | tucoz | Weird bug report |
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| 23:00:31 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:00:34 | tucoz | I play the last song in a directory for a few seconds, press pause, press left to play the song from the beginning, press play and it doesn't play |
| 23:00:43 | Cassandra | So I could do a version of boxes for the recorder and H300 as well, for example. |
| 23:00:52 | Bagder | Cassandra: well, that's kind of what I thought the size thing would cause |
| 23:01:03 | Bagder | I'm thinking of a depth requirement as well |
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| 23:01:20 | tucoz | I use the ipod lookalike wps, and I see the play icon change from pause to playing, but the time counter is not ticking. |
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| 23:01:23 | Cassandra | You must be *this* profound to be a Rockbox WPS. |
| 23:02:37 | tucoz | This is for iriver, and it is mp3's. I tried a .ogg album, and that worked fine. |
| 23:03:43 | tucoz | Is this reproducable for anyone else? |
| 23:05:48 | Cassandra | tucoz, I can't reproduce it here. |
| 23:06:04 | tucoz | Cassandra, ah. Ok, might be some setting that I have then |
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| 23:07:36 | tucoz | cause it it totally reproducable here. Well, might be my build tools or something. |
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| 23:07:43 | tucoz | see you, bye |
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| 23:08:25 | _user_ | phaedrus961: unicode patch doesnt seem to be working on the latest cvs |
| 23:10:01 | Bagder | I *really* dislike how the headers were removed in the removal of the wps files |
| 23:10:01 | _FireFly_ | _user_: tires the patch to patch wps(-display).c/.h ?? |
| 23:10:19 | _FireFly_ | ?? |
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| 23:10:22 | _user_ | _FireFly_: what do you mean? |
| 23:10:40 | Bagder | _FireFly_: your new files are based on the old ones and thus the old copyrights MUST remain |
| 23:10:50 | Bagder | they are now gone |
| 23:10:57 | _FireFly_ | ouch |
| 23:11:04 | _FireFly_ | sorry |
| 23:11:08 | pinkutank | im away |
| 23:11:40 | markun | _user_: Maybe you should start using CVS and compile rockbox. It's easyer to keep unicode working that way.. |
| 23:12:40 | _user_ | i do that |
| 23:13:08 | _user_ | i've been downloading directly from cvs and compile in cygwin |
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| 23:14:05 | markun | If you use 'cvs update' and resolve the (usually trivial) conflicts the unicode patch will keep working. |
| 23:14:41 | _user_ | "cvs update" as in, |
| 23:14:42 | _user_ | cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@rockbox.haxx.se:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox |
| 23:14:43 | _user_ | this? |
| 23:14:48 | markun | no |
| 23:15:03 | _user_ | oh.. |
| 23:15:17 | markun | go to the rockbox dir and type 'cvs update -dPA' for example. |
| 23:15:32 | Bagder | I'm not happy with this new code |
| 23:16:05 | markun | It will only update the files that have changed and tries to keep your own changes in.. |
| 23:16:38 | _user_ | so basically what i can do is |
| 23:17:00 | _user_ | go back to some old version, apply the unicode patch, and do cvs update? |
| 23:17:01 | Cassandra | Dammit - how do I make files I've already added to the repository into binary files? |
| 23:17:13 | Cassandra | (I thought CVS handled that automatically.) |
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| 23:17:44 | markun | _user_: exactly. If it says there are conflicts, then the edit the files and look for '>>>>>>' |
| 23:18:03 | _user_ | i see |
| 23:18:09 | _user_ | im going to try that |
| 23:18:46 | markun | Good luck. Just ask if it doesn't work. I guess almost everybody here works with cvs this way. |
| 23:18:50 | preglow | btw, any reason tools/ still doesn't get make run on it from the main makefile? |
| 23:19:22 | petur | anybody under windows using something like http://www.tortoisecvs.org/ i.s.o. commandline cvs? |
| 23:19:24 | markun | preglow: I included it in the main makefile, but then it gets compiled with the cross compiler.. |
| 23:19:28 | Bagder | preglow: yes, because we don't properly sort out and set variables for both the native and the cross compilers |
| 23:20:52 | XavierGr | does anyone know what cpu an H10 uses? |
| 23:20:59 | Bagder | XavierGr: portalplayer |
| 23:21:09 | XavierGr | Mhz? |
| 23:21:17 | Bagder | 80Mhz x 2 |
| 23:21:22 | XavierGr | I mean is that better than H100 or H300? |
| 23:21:28 | Bagder | define better |
| 23:21:31 | XavierGr | then probably it is? |
| 23:21:47 | XavierGr | well I guess that using the 2 simultanesly will be strange |
| 23:22:29 | Bagder | _FireFly_: if you fix the missing file headers, can you also please make the code < 80 cols |
| 23:22:43 | Bagder | as our guidelines say |
| 23:22:56 | _user_ | this is weird |
| 23:23:17 | _user_ | the unicode patch seems to fail even on 11/03 source |
| 23:23:18 | _FireFly_ | Bagder: np |
| 23:23:21 | Cassandra | _FireFly_ doesn't have commit access. |
| 23:23:30 | _user_ | maybe the unicode patch is "too new"? |
| 23:23:42 | XavierGr | preglow isnt the same as the iPod then? |
| 23:23:45 | Moos | Bagder: you know why the CVS table does'nt show the last builds? |
| 23:23:52 | Cassandra | Bloody hell, it's half ten. |
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| 23:24:11 | _FireFly_ | Bagder: the old wps-code has some lines which are longer then 80 |
| 23:24:32 | markun | _user_: too bad sourceforge is offline. I wanted to look up the date the patch was updated. |
| 23:25:05 | Bagder | _FireFly_: I bet your version has lots more of them since so many lines got... eh, overly complex |
| 23:25:21 | Bagder | gwps->display->define_pattern(gwps->data->wps_progress_pat[lcd_char_pos+1],player_progressbar); |
| 23:25:27 | Bagder | I mean wow |
| 23:25:39 | Bagder | takes 5 minutes to decrypt |
| 23:25:47 | XavierGr | preglow: I remember that you said that iPod has 2 * 75 Mhz ARM proccessors. Will that make a greater performance that current H100 proccessor? |
| 23:25:55 | Cassandra | Gotta love indirection. |
| 23:26:11 | linuxstb | preglow: I think the cop is used in IPL to control the DAC. The decoder runs on the main CPU, filling up a ringbuffer in IRAM, and a FIQ interrupt runs on the COP to send data to the DAC. |
| 23:26:22 | _user_ | markun: either 8th or 3rd |
| 23:26:26 | linuxstb | That's my understanding anyway. |
| 23:26:55 | Cassandra | I need 'cvs add -kb' to commit binary files, right? |
| 23:27:08 | markun | well, after phaedrus updates the patch you can start using cvs the normal way :) |
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| 23:27:21 | _user_ | 13th actually |
| 23:27:32 | webguest61 | hey everyone, I'm the guy with the WPS problem... |
| 23:27:43 | webguest61 | I just reformatted my player, wps still doing the same thin |
| 23:28:00 | preglow | XavierGr: perhaps |
| 23:28:17 | preglow | linuxstb: i'm just having a ball finding out how this interrupt stuff is working |
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| 23:28:39 | linuxstb_ | Glad you're enjoying it. |
| 23:28:45 | _user_ | yeah i guess i will have to wait |
| 23:31:48 | webguest61 | that's odd... engineer2 fails with the backlight on, boxes fails with the backlight off |
| 23:32:00 | webguest61 | fsck check turned up nothing, since I JUST reformatted it |
| 23:33:35 | Cassandra | It's certainly very odd, webguest61, but yours is the only report we've had and none of us can duplicate it. |
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| 23:33:40 | TiMiD | amiconn: yes I'm here |
| 23:33:46 | Inferno | Hi all |
| 23:34:14 | webguest61 | are you guys storing the settings in some low-level boot sector or something? because I just noticed that none of my settings changed, even though I just reformatted the whole thing... |
| 23:34:25 | TiMiD | indeed |
| 23:34:26 | Inferno | i was just wondering how the new Remote WPS works and how you add custom ones |
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| 23:35:42 | _FireFly_ | Inferno: it's the same as for the main only you have a smaller screen and the file-ending id .rwps |
| 23:35:44 | Bagder | Cassandra: you think this is fine enough: http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/rwps.patch |
| 23:35:46 | Cassandra | Perhaps you should try resetting your settings then. |
| 23:36:25 | Inferno | Cool, where do they get stored, in the WPS folder like the others? |
| 23:36:34 | Bagder | webguest61: yes, we use a sector before the file system |
| 23:37:16 | _FireFly_ | Bagder: i have adjusted the lines to <= 80 cols as much as usefull |
| 23:37:23 | _FireFly_ | Inferno: yes |
| 23:37:50 | Inferno | cool |
| 23:38:07 | Cassandra | Looks good, bagder. |
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| 23:38:27 | Bagder | ok, commit coming up |
| 23:38:30 | Inferno | i just noticed the "Browse .rwps files" option |
| 23:38:35 | * | petur thinks he needs a faster computer to build that crosscompiler :( |
| 23:38:50 | Bagder | petur: you just need patience |
| 23:39:15 | petur | aaargh, it just stopped with an error after 60+ minutes :(((( |
| 23:39:36 | Cassandra | This is because the universe hates you. |
| 23:40:14 | petur | ok I'll never post progress on mistic again.... |
| 23:40:21 | preglow | i thought it hated me |
| 23:40:29 | _FireFly_ | Bagder do you want only these changes as patch or can i also put into it my wps-sb-tag-patch ?? |
| 23:40:33 | Bagder | the dreaded rockbox curse! |
| 23:41:08 | Bagder | _FireFly_: please make it separate |
| 23:41:54 | * | Bagder shoulders the Code Police cloak tonight |
| 23:42:12 | webguest61 | ahhh... there we go, boxes just loaded correctly after yet another reformat cycle... |
| 23:42:41 | webguest61 | man gparted did some weird things, I'll use fdisk next time :-p |
| 23:42:44 | Moos | Bagder: what's happened with the CVS table? |
| 23:43:47 | XavierGr | http://www.misticaudio.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=44 |
| 23:43:55 | _FireFly_ | Bagder i had to split some calculations in several lines to fit to 80 cols |
| 23:44:00 | _FireFly_ | e.g. max_step = (wps_state.id3->length - |
| 23:44:00 | _FireFly_ | (wps_state.id3->elapsed + ff_rewind_count)) * |
| 23:44:00 | _FireFly_ | FF_REWIND_MAX_PERCENT / 100; |
| 23:44:01 | preglow | every time i do make zip now, it complains about some wps module |
| 23:44:05 | preglow | how to fix that? |
| 23:44:09 | XavierGr | hey I don't wnat to be a dick. And bad to Jeff. But is this legal? |
| 23:44:17 | _FireFly_ | preglow cvs co wps ;) |
| 23:44:29 | preglow | right, thanks |
| 23:44:34 | preglow | right, thanks |
| 23:44:37 | XavierGr | he actually caps 15USD to put rockbox in!!! |
| 23:44:40 | Bagder | XavierGr: yes it is |
| 23:45:02 | preglow | ok, what's up with my connection now |
| 23:45:31 | XavierGr | wow then no bad feelings, it is just that I don't like these sort of things. Selling rockbox... |
| 23:46:00 | wubbla | shouldn't the win32 uisimulator play sound? |
| 23:46:04 | Bagder | you could possibly call it freeloading, but it certainly isn't illegal |
| 23:47:05 | petur | using 3.4.4 to build crosscompiler 4.0.2 - any problem in this combination? |
| 23:47:11 | XavierGr | 15USD to load rockbox? That lame IMHO, but oh well, I don't know the customs in US :p |
| 23:47:20 | ashridah | XavierGr: he's providing a service, so he's charging for his time. that's perfectly legal for GPL'ed software. |
| 23:47:26 | Cassandra | Well, it may be worth it to some people. |
| 23:47:29 | preglow | for 15$ i think it's ok |
| 23:47:35 | preglow | some people don't want to mess with these things |
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| 23:47:50 | Bagder | if people pay for it they obviously want it |
| 23:47:59 | ashridah | preglow: some people are blind, too, which may make it handy for them. |
| 23:48:13 | XavierGr | wow end results from 2nd Battery benchmark without my plugin: |
| 23:48:22 | preglow | ashridah: indeed |
| 23:48:41 | _FireFly_ | Bagder: http://home.arcor.de/s.wezel/missing_headers.patch |
| 23:48:46 | XavierGr | starting time 11:45 ended 12:42 running time ~25 hours |
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| 23:49:13 | XavierGr | up or down eactly the same as with my plugin :) sweet! |
| 23:49:27 | preglow | rwps? |
| 23:49:38 | Cassandra | It's definitely cvs add -kb to add a binary to the repository, isn't it? |
| 23:49:38 | _FireFly_ | preglow: remote-wps |
| 23:49:47 | Bagder | Cassandra: yes |
| 23:50:13 | Cassandra | Jolly good. Doesn't seem to give any indication that it's tagged them as binary. |
| 23:51:01 | petur | could it be I need the gcc-3.4.4.patch attached to the bottom of http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler? Let's try... |
| 23:51:12 | XavierGr | well then it is sorted then. linuxstb_: I will update the wiki with my plugin. Also I will update my plugin in the tracker. From now on if anyone wants to make a battery benchmark please consider using my plugin. Thnaks |
| 23:51:48 | preglow | can anyone tell me what a backslash in front of a symbol means in arm assembler? |
| 23:53:27 | TiMiD | the web cvs seems down ... |
| 23:54:55 | linuxstb_ | TiMiD: Works fine for me. |
| 23:54:58 | _FireFly_ | TiMiD: it works for me |
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| 23:56:33 | TiMiD | An Exception Has Occurred |
| 23:56:33 | TiMiD | apps/wps.c.diff: unknown location |
| 23:56:33 | TiMiD | HTTP Response Status |
| 23:56:34 | TiMiD | 404 Not Found |
| 23:56:40 | TiMiD | that's what I get |
| 23:56:48 | Bagder | that file is delete |
| 23:56:49 | Bagder | d |
| 23:56:55 | Cassandra | wps.c isn't in the archive any more. |
| 23:57:03 | TiMiD | hmm ok |
| 23:57:12 | Cassandra | you want gui/gwps.c or gui/gwps-common.c |
| 23:57:19 | Cassandra | in apps/ |
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| 23:57:46 | TiMiD | yes I know |
| 23:57:55 | TiMiD | I looked at _FireFly_ patch too |
| 23:58:01 | Cassandra | You know the web interface totally fails to tell me whether I successfully commited those files as binary. |
| 23:58:12 | Cassandra | And for some reason I don't get half the commit messages. |
| 23:58:42 | Inferno | yeah i just noticed the daily build page isn't showing anything after 2005-11-17 21:05 |
| 23:58:51 | TiMiD | I think it was too young to get commited though, some changes needs to be made in the API imho |
| 23:58:52 | hardeep | i don't see commit messages for any of the wps commits |
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