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#rockbox log for 2005-11-18

00:02:12preglowlinuxstb_: you think we'll ever need iram in the bootloader?
00:03:00LinusNhardeep: i just added the wps module to the commit mailing list
00:03:25preglowlinuxstb_: right, we already use iram
00:03:28linuxstb_preglow: The bootload is all in iram
00:03:54LinusNthe h300 bootloader has to use dram as well
00:04:02linuxstb_preglow: Why do you ask that?
00:04:04LinusNsince the lcd frame buffer is so big
00:04:06preglowlinuxstb_: just wondering so i wont bother copying iram for bootloaders, but that actually makes no sense, so...
00:04:46 Quit petur (" HydraIRC -> <- The professional IRC Client")
00:04:50 Quit Philip_0729 ("Night all")
00:04:52linuxstb_The crt0.S code that is there already works perfectly (I hope) for the bootloader. It uses instead of
00:05:15CassandraYou know, we should add a "When will x be done?" link to the Rockbox front page.
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00:05:35CassandraExcept it still wouldn't stop anyone asking, would it?
00:05:48Creatineof course it would.
00:06:01*Creatine shall speak no more.
00:07:23_FireFly_good night everybody
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00:07:35TiMiDgood night _FireFly_
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00:08:06TiMiDwhat about making a separate page for wps commits ? (if it's possible)
00:08:18TiMiDsince it's not related directly to the code
00:08:55Bagderit's related to development
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00:09:39preglowis 'mailbox' actually a term that's used a lot when it comes to inter-processor communication?
00:09:50Bagderpreglow: yes
00:10:09TiMiDit's related to developpment yes, but it "pollutes" the normal log
00:10:19TiMiDsince wps doesn't add features
00:10:28TiMiDit's more difficult ot check for important changes
00:10:36preglowTiMiD: if you're really interested in that, you're subscribted to the cvs list anyway
00:10:40Bagderread the mails
00:10:58preglowBagder: how do they work? nothing out of the ordinary?
00:11:31Bagderpreglow: I don't recall that closely, I just remember the term and I believe they're used in windows
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00:12:12TiMiDall code related commits are not in mailing list
00:12:17TiMiDthat's the problem
00:12:27Bagderwhich aren't?
00:12:38preglowall i've ever seen have been
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00:13:08TiMiDat least, could it be possible to make the first page's "Recent CVS activity" bigger ?
00:13:23XavierGrprobably he means the dev list which isn't related to the commits
00:13:50Bagderthe commit list is not the dev list
00:14:17Bagderthe commit list gets all CVS commits by mail
00:14:21TiMiDI didn't knew there was such a list hehe
00:14:21XavierGrof course. It is another list
00:14:30ghode|afkBagder: could you add that link to the main page under the main commits? like the old news link?
00:14:33linuxstb_Is there still a rockbox-announce list?
00:14:44LinusNi think we buried it
00:14:59Bagderits at 6 feet now
00:15:17linuxstb_Someone on a forum asked how to keep informed of releases, and I was about to point him to that list, but couldn't find it...
00:15:21Bagderghode|afk: I'll do that
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00:15:35ghode|afkthanks badger
00:15:41webguest70warning total newbie here, just felt it necessary to come on here and congratulate Linus on the h300 successes.
00:15:55webguest70kudos to you, from Australia.
00:16:03*ashridah lets loose the noobisharks
00:16:08LinusNg'day mate
00:16:24preglowcommence with the stereotypes!
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00:16:29ashridahwebguest70: watching the cricket?
00:16:43webguest70yes, I have a coffee in my hand, not a fosters.
00:16:51preglowfosters sucks
00:16:59ashridahfosters definently sucks
00:17:09webguest70i am a VB man in terms of beer. or corona.
00:17:10preglowtastes like budweiser
00:17:11ashridahmuch prefer belgian beer
00:17:13preglowwhich again tastes nothing
00:17:17Paul_The_NerdIf you want Australian stereotypes you should see the "Outback Steakhouse" chain of restaurants.
00:17:19*Paul_The_Nerd shudders
00:17:19preglowbelgian beer rocks
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00:17:33*preglow wants a bitter
00:18:05XavierGrhi len0x
00:18:10webguest70anyway, i am not a coder but if christy wants a hand with updating the manual for the h300 line, i am a word processing legend
00:18:17len0xhey :)
00:18:37preglowCassandra: which still reminds me, anything ever happened to the latex conversion plans?
00:18:49webguest70if i say so myself.
00:18:53Bagderwe can use legends! ;-)
00:18:53XavierGrI dind't had the time to look on the radio yet. I am finishing a battery benchmark plugin right noe.
00:19:05len0xno problem
00:19:56webguest70just converting all my 7000 tracks from WMA 64 to OGG quality 0.2. (yeah I know, but i prefer quantity over quality)
00:20:00len0xI added auto scan option, that has to be taked into accoutn by your path
00:20:41preglowwebguest70: sounds like those files will sound... special...
00:20:54preglowwma 64 already sounds bad
00:20:59preglowat least the one i have does
00:21:22webguest70they sound alright through my monitor speakers, acid test is on the h320 with koss plug phones, later today.
00:21:23DBUGEnqueued KICK len0x
00:21:23len0xXavierGr: probably as auto scan and save into a new FMR file
00:21:58Paul_The_Nerdwebguest70: I predict that you will cringe.
00:22:05webguest70well i can't face re-ripping them all to ogg....
00:22:12Cassandrapreglow: There are still plans. I did a trial run with some automatic conversion software and results were not good.
00:22:15XavierGrwhat exactly autoscan does?
00:22:30preglowCassandra: i can imagine, yes, it's probably going to need to be a manual job
00:22:30CassandraEssentially I think I'd have to redo nearly all of the formatting.
00:22:31len0xscans all freq for presets
00:22:34preglowCassandra: a time-consuming one at that
00:22:40XavierGrsearch for all good reception stations?
00:22:43Cassandra*nod* Yes.
00:23:01preglowi do latex, so i guess i could help out if you sort it out one day
00:23:38Bagderlen0x: the rwps in fact should have its own <rwps> section in WPSLIST
00:23:47CassandraWow - autoscan is cool.
00:23:57XavierGrlen0x: So whenever a uesr autoscans; What do you want the program to do? Automatically save the list? If yes on another name or the overwrite the previous list?
00:24:14Bagderhm, or should it?
00:24:17LinusNwho's in favour of removing the "%" from the volume wps tag?
00:24:19len0xyes it overwrites default list
00:24:27Paul_The_NerdI went through and ripped a bunch of my CDs to lossless compressions (FLAC) and then burned those files onto DVD(as data), so that in the future I have high quality sources that I can transcode to lossy without having to retag or rerip, and since several CDs fit onto one DVD, it doesn't take up but a single CD folder.
00:24:32dpassen1LinusN: me
00:24:39CassandraLinus: I suppose it can always be added by hand.
00:24:51CassandraFor consistency we ought to do it with battery too.
00:24:56len0xBagder: its too late I laready commited first RPWS :)
00:24:59XavierGrlen0x: But that's bad IMHO. That ways the user will lose its previous list.
00:25:13CassandraAnd update any of our current wpsen that use it at the same time.
00:25:22Bagderlen0x: I know, but thus the .pl patch wasn't needed
00:25:24***Alert Mode level 1
00:25:24len0x XavierGr: that is when your patch will come in handy :)
00:25:37preglowlen0x: man, what's up with the colours
00:25:54len0xcut&paste :)
00:25:59webguest70paul the nerd: even that sounds too hard. no doubt I will change my mind when I *listen* to it this arvo
00:26:07preglowi get black text on black background here, kind of hard to read, heh
00:26:15CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
00:26:15*Bagder ignores colors
00:26:18CassandraYou know, directory cache is so cool (and should be a battery saver too)
00:26:19Paul_The_NerdI just took the step in advance, rather than finding myself wishing I had later.
00:26:20preglowi can't remember how :/
00:26:26XavierGrlen0x: I will think about it tomorrow, and get back to you.
00:26:30preglowCassandra: agreed there, i can't live without it anymore
00:26:51preglowLinusN: btw, was the h3x0 120mhz crash a temperature issue or a bug?
00:26:54webguest70wish I had though of that. oh how i used to laugh at people who said WMA was a closed format. Sigh.
00:27:07***Alert Mode level 2
00:27:07len0xXavierGr: ok
00:27:07LinusNpreglow: probably not temp
00:30:00CassandraRight, I'm off to bed. Night all.
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00:32:58MoosI just noticed in my mail box that somes commits showed in commits logs aren't (e.g len0x commits...)
00:33:30LinusNMoos: spam filter?
00:33:50Mooslet me check in case
00:34:01TiMiDI have a problem with get_button()
00:34:09TiMiDwhen I do button = button_get(true);
00:34:11MoosLinus: nope
00:34:35TiMiDafter a button has been pressed (and intepreted), it tells me the same button was pressed
00:34:52TiMiDany way to clear the keypress buffer or something like this ?
00:34:57LinusNTiMiD: release event?
00:35:11Moos(Linus: there are few builds apered in logs and not in both the CVS table and commits mails)
00:35:34LinusNMoos: yes, the server was acting up for some reason
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00:36:48TiMiDsomething like this I belive
00:37:08***Alert Mode OFF
00:38:06TiMiDfor example when I press select
00:38:43TiMiDraw button is 8100 and button & BUTTON_REL is 8000 so it's related to release I believe
00:39:18LinusNso where's the problem?
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00:40:13TiMiDhmmm I think Ican handle it then
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00:43:59linuxstb_An interesting ipod hack:
00:44:15linuxstb_It apparently makes the apple firmware display the CPU clock frequency in the status bar.
00:45:41XavierGrcan someone please delete the user AlexSpy form the wiki? It is my self but I have already made another account with my full real name
00:45:55XavierGrAlexSpy sounds so goofy, and anyway is now useless.
00:46:05preglowlinuxstb_: cool, now if only i had some tracks on my player
00:46:09XavierGror is there a way to remove this my self?
00:46:16preglowlinuxstb_: you know of any linux programs that can upload to an ipod?
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00:47:28linuxstb_I've heard of "gnupod", but have never used it.
00:48:31preglowi'll just ask the ipl people to be sure
00:49:59preglowseems they concur
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00:53:51ashridahpreglow: amarok seems to be able to as well
00:57:07preglowashridah: don't use kde
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00:59:44ashridahyou said any
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01:00:42ashridahthe thing that annoys me is that it only supports ipods
01:00:59ashridahnothing like syncing with an iriver player, so far as i can see
01:01:10preglowdoesn't seem like gnupod works too well here
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01:02:36linuxstbpreglow: I tried that _Show_Speed hack, and it doesn't seem to work on my ipod. You don't need music on your player to test if it works.
01:05:59preglowlinuxstb: then it doesn't work here either
01:06:36preglowi assume you didn't use the caps you do here?
01:07:12linuxstbI tried both with and without
01:07:18preglowbut nah
01:07:25preglowdoesn't work here either, then
01:07:37linuxstbI search the forums, and the people there refer to _Show_Speed (with capitals)
01:08:37pinkutankis the dircache in todays build yet, or bleedin edge?
01:08:51linuxstbApparently the earlier ipods had a fixed CPU frequency - that's how Apple managed to double the battery time with the new models.
01:09:01LinusNthe dir cache has been there for months i believe
01:09:02preglowperl error when i run mktunes
01:10:55preglowthe scrolling related corruption has at least vanished now
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01:11:33preglowoki, oki
01:11:47preglowlet's see how far rockbox will boot without functioning interrupts
01:11:50linuxstbpreglow: Yes, amiconn tidied up the lcd-16bit.c driver.
01:12:14preglowthere's really not much to be done in crt0.S, it seems
01:12:21preglowsince our memory is already set up for us by the apple bootloader
01:13:30preglowperhaps we need to set up some cache
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01:14:51RotAtoRamiconn: I see you've updated the bejeweled graphics for the archos, thanks
01:15:03RotAtoRI had been meaning to do that myself but haven't had much free time lately
01:15:09preglowlinuxstb: any reason why the "get high part of execution address" thing is outside the BOOTLOADER ifdef?
01:15:23Mordov_is teh remote to the h-120 suposed to work with out patching now?
01:15:29preglowMordov_: sure
01:15:29RotAtoRI actually have a few other small changes and bug fixes in queue, but I was waiting to find time to update the plugin for the h3xx series
01:15:41Mordov_hmm mine dont....
01:15:48preglowMordov_: well, it should
01:16:04preglowMordov_: todays build does directory viewer, wps and menus just fine for me
01:16:30Mordov_fo I have to do something?
01:16:43preglowMordov_: no, shouldn't have to
01:16:45pinkutankif dircache has been around for months, why now ?"<Cassandra> You know, directory cache is so cool (and should be a battery saver too)"
01:16:56preglowpinkutank: because SHE hasn't been around for months ;)
01:17:09pinkutankoh :)
01:17:26pinkutankwe discussed dircache and wps for about 2 hours earlier on
01:17:29RotAtoRMordov_: you need a bleeding edge build, you probably downloaded a daily build
01:17:30pinkutankthats why I thought so
01:17:43Mordov_ah ok :D
01:17:47preglowRotAtoR: nah, dirview has been working for weeks
01:17:52Mordov_take me to the bleading edge :D
01:17:54preglowhe should at least get that
01:17:57RotAtoRbut not rwps
01:18:00preglowsure no
01:18:06preglowbut i thought he meant it didn't work at all
01:18:07preglowmy bad
01:18:10linuxstbpreglow: A mistake I think.
01:18:11Mordov_I see stuff on my display
01:18:25Mordov_I can't skip back and I cant wiew songs
01:18:31preglowlinuxstb: and btw, the high part of the exec address is chipset dependent, so we can probably hard code it
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01:18:45preglowlinuxstb: following our current trend and all
01:18:54CreatineMordov: Curious, what is it you're actually doing?
01:19:17pinkutankermm where was the dircache setting
01:19:23Mordov_when what where ?
01:19:44preglowpinkutank: general settings -> system -> disk
01:19:51Creatineyou said "I see stuff on my display" and "I can't skip back and I can't view songs"
01:20:10CreatineDo you have an H1xx or...?
01:20:14CreatineI'm just curious.
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01:20:29Mordov_I can brows
01:20:36Mordov_see the threes
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01:20:51Mordov_I only have the daily build
01:21:05Mordov_I can't skip back in the menus...
01:21:38Mordov_er I can skip back with stopp but that stops the player :P
01:21:58markunlinuxstb, preglow: any idea how to switch an ARM processor to big-endian mode?
01:22:28TiMiDMordov_: what is the exact problem ?
01:22:29preglowmarkun: the setend instruction
01:22:31linuxstbThe SETEND instruction
01:22:47markunboth :)
01:23:17preglowlinuxstb: as in "setend le" or "setend be", i believe
01:23:33linuxstbYep. That's what my "quick reference card" says :)
01:23:33XavierGrTiMiD: I think that it might be good to enable some options for the remote.
01:23:48preglowlinuxstb: got that too, eh
01:23:53XavierGrE.g scroll times e.t.c
01:24:03XavierGror at least make them the same as the main unit
01:24:13XavierGrcurrently the user has no ability to change them.
01:24:42markunCan't find it in the pdf's, but maybe my viewer's search is broken.
01:24:48pinkutankwhat do you guys keep anti skip buffer at
01:25:48TiMiDXavierGr: I will take a look to see if I can easily do that (applying the main screen settings to the remote)
01:26:21XavierGrI remember that that it was very easy to add the options independetnly
01:26:24TiMiDor I can add another menu ...
01:26:30preglowmarkun: page three, lower half
01:26:35preglowmarkun: what're you working on?
01:26:38XavierGryes that's what I had done.
01:26:59XavierGrCurrently the scroll text is too fast to read
01:27:03markunNothing, just reading arm documentation
01:27:05TiMiDbut another menu would code size increase
01:27:11TiMiDand I neeeddd unicode :)
01:27:21TiMiDmore than options XD
01:27:22XavierGryour call then
01:27:22preglowmarkun: right, you're pondering on going arm
01:27:39TiMiDwell I commit smth and I look at the remote settings
01:27:39markunpreglow: well, you were always raving about it ;)
01:27:44XavierGrbut at least make it dependent from main unit
01:31:02Mordov_TiMiD: can you reed the priv?
01:31:28Mordov_I meen can you see it :)
01:31:45TiMiDthe private messages ?
01:32:13pinkutankwhy cant we fix the simulator so it show the wps as exactly on the player
01:32:15TiMiDI can yes, why ?
01:32:33TiMiD(if you want to send me pv, your nick must be registered)
01:32:36Mordov_yapp,,, you where not answering so I wounderd if you had it turned of ;)
01:32:46Mordov_thought I was :)
01:32:53TiMiDI receive nothing from you
01:33:04Mordov_ah Im mordov_ now ;(
01:33:09TiMiDhaha :)
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01:34:06mordovgot that? ;)
01:41:05markunpreglow: what are you working on?
01:42:32preglowmarkun: startup code for ipod
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02:26:41lamedhello everyone.
02:26:52pinkutankerm what as that
02:27:24pinkutankdoes the repeat mode function on irever
02:27:31pinkutankor only in archos
02:27:40pinkutankI mean the wps with 4 conditions
02:27:45lamedI'm answering someone's question at the forum. anyone knows why isn't the announce mailing list on the rb mailing list page? (->or i will put it)
02:28:03lamedpinkutank - only archos 4 noew
02:28:22lamedah wait
02:28:24ashridahlamed: someone said the announce mailing list is dead
02:28:48ashridahyou'll need to hit the irc log to double check who said it
02:28:48lameddon't you mean the a-b repeat mode pinkutank?
02:29:16pinkutankI mean tha a-b repeat one shuffle repat all
02:29:32pinkutankwell it doesnt matter much actually
02:29:48pinkutankI can put the conditional shuffle in a condition of a conditional repeat
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02:30:35lamedyou can repeat/shuffle by a long mode click. no a-b repeat yet.
02:30:41pinkutankI know
02:30:51pinkutankI'm just talking about the wps codes here
02:31:03pinkutankdoes %mm work for iriver
02:31:08lamedashridah: seems like you'r right... latest mail was v2.3
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02:48:07pinkutankschool in 3 hours
02:48:10pinkutankI bettter sleep
03:00:32pinkutankis anyone on
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05:53:14ColdtoastI just ahd an idea I think would be cool
05:54:15Coldtoastwith the FM radio, when you name a preset, it'd be really cool if you could name a bitmap the same as the preset and the WPS for the FM radio displays the bitmap
05:54:37Coldtoastso when you change presets, it changes the bitmap. It'd be really cool to put station logos on there
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08:10:36webguest01hello guys ! something new about when rockbox will release for h3xx ?
08:12:16B4gderyou mean when it'll _work_ on it
08:12:26B4gderwe haven't even relased anything for the h1x0 yet
08:12:42B4gderbut no, the news is only that there have been progress
08:12:44webguest01yes sorry :D
08:12:51webguest01when will it work on h3xx?;)
08:13:22webguest01sorry you were quicker then me:D
08:13:45webguest01but linus said in a couple of days?:D
08:14:25B4gderI can assure you that Linus makes no guarantees for time schedules until somone pays him for it
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08:16:41B4gderyes, that'll be the day when we can pay full-time sallary with donations
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08:18:29webguest01must go tnx for the answers :D
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08:40:26ashridahB4gder: do you actually get that much in the way of donations?
08:40:57B4gderI'm not up-to-date with how it has been recently
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08:41:29B4gderbut it is in the thousands of USD
08:41:57ashridahthat includes hardware?
08:42:12B4gdermoney only
08:42:17B4gderwe don't get much hw
08:42:37B4gderwe do buy quite a lot of hw though
08:42:47B4gderfor the donated money
08:43:18*ashridah nods
08:43:51ashridahyeah, some digital analysis equipment doesn't come cheap. or does Linus get the chance to borrow stuff where he works?
08:44:05B4gderon and off
08:44:36B4gderas he/we are consultants, it depends on where he currently has an assignment
08:44:57ashridahaah, okay.
08:45:15ashridahindeed, some companies can get touchy about that
08:45:15B4gderbut mostly we do things with our own equipment
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08:49:22Zak1392wazzup dudes?
08:50:41*ashridah blinks
08:51:45*Cassandra has just realised how powerful and flexible the themes concept is.
08:52:00CassandraI mean there's nothing to stop you having an "in car" theme, for example.
08:53:43phaedrus961_user_: (if you read the logs) I have updated the unicode patch to the latest cvs
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08:55:56_FireFly_good morning
09:00:40amiconnOne of yesterday's numerous changes bumped the binary size on the recorder by ~1.5KB. :-(
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09:01:02amiconnI tend to blame the wps widget...
09:01:14B4gderand TiMiD's new stuff
09:01:27B4gderI'd suspect
09:03:51amiconnI doubt that. The whole yesno.c merely adds 356 bytes, and it saves some coder in other modules
09:04:33CassandraAnyone else having problems with WPS formatting in the bleeding edge?
09:04:41B4gderlots of people seem to
09:05:04B4gderseeing the forum posts
09:05:29Cassandra*nod* Wonder if "fromdos" screwed over the wps files.
09:06:36B4gderor simply the new wps code
09:06:52amiconnImho the current graphical wps method is messy. >200 files for just 8 wps'es
09:07:10CassandraI'm inclined to agree.
09:07:27CassandraPlus this whole business of being restricted to letters of the alphabet.
09:07:47CassandraI like bagder's(?) idea of having one bmp and specifying offsets.
09:07:56B4gderthat's amiconn's idea ;-)
09:08:04_FireFly_Cassandra for this i had already a working version
09:08:10CassandraI still like it.
09:08:23_FireFly_somewhere on my hd :)
09:08:40_FireFly_for combined bitmaps
09:08:54CassandraAnyway - I've implemented themes support, but for some reason the "rockbox_default" theme doesn't reset the rwps.
09:08:58amiconn200 files take > 6MB of space on a H140...
09:09:21amiconn...regardless how tiny they are, because they need at least one cluster each
09:10:57_FireFly_amiconn this afternoon i could rework my combined-bitmap support to the latest cvs and make a patch for testing
09:12:01CassandraOn the downside, it is considerably more effort for WPS developers.
09:12:20CassandraI'm beginning to wonder if there's something to this theory of having WPS stored in ZIP files.
09:12:22B4gderunless we make a tool for it
09:12:51B4gderbut of course that's not was good either
09:12:55B4gderas good
09:13:51amiconnI like it even less that these disk-cluttering wps'es are now part of cvs and get packaged in the .zip
09:15:16ashridahhm. you could whack them into a no-compression zip archive or something...
09:15:31_FireFly_like tar
09:15:36amiconnImho all this is optional stuff, and e.g. voice files are optional as well, and they are not bundled...
09:15:58CassandraMaybe we should think about producing 2 installers.
09:16:15CassandraI still say our default WPS ought to be graphical at least on iRiver.
09:16:25ashridah_FireFly_: better off using something people can do themselves
09:16:29amiconnI nver use graphical wps'es, so all this stuff just wastes space on my hd.
09:16:31Cassandra(Or rather the WPS the user is presented with when they turn on Rockbox.)
09:16:45Cassandrafor the first time
09:17:07CassandraPlain text is such a turn off for some people.
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09:18:03amiconnI wonder why
09:18:25CassandraI suppose it has that whole retro 1980s feel about it.
09:18:59thegeek_I completely agree Cassandra
09:19:24thegeek_engineer2 is great imho, and having a default wps that looks nice is important
09:19:34CassandraPersonally I care more about features, but the more users we attract to Rockbox, the more programmers we attract.
09:19:45B4gder_FireFly_: is there a point in having the gui_syncwps struct in the new wps code?
09:19:48thegeek_and.. why not?
09:19:54B4gderit only has one single member
09:21:13B4gderif not, I'll remove it and gain a level of indirection in the code
09:21:44_FireFly_B4gder do it
09:22:46_FireFly_B4gder is the code align to 80 cols now better with my missing_headers patch ??
09:22:57_FireFly_oh Bagder i mean
09:23:27_FireFly_good to hear :)
09:23:47B4gderI'm doing some other edits on top of your patch
09:25:33B4gderfor example I found 1) unused functions and 2) functions that should be static
09:26:11_FireFly_oh yes there is a unused function left
09:26:30B4gderI found three
09:26:37B4gderso far
09:27:26_FireFly_wow i must be blind to miss them
09:28:33_FireFly_maybe do you mean the wps_stata_update* function ??
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09:32:46CassandraI think I'm going to commit this theme code and try to sort out any residual problems once WPS has been fixed.
09:33:32CassandraSince I've also fixed a couple of buglets in
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09:47:12XavierGrgood morning all
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09:47:19_FireFly_moin XavierGr
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09:51:13linuxstbI've just received a patch for Shorten that gives it the prize for fastest codec - it runs with about 1%-3% boost with the CPU clocked at 22.5MHz.
09:51:58linuxstbAnd that's without any EMAC magic from preglow.
09:52:14linuxstbSo it could be faster if we cared about it.
09:52:57linuxstbI'm not surprised - FLAC is more complicated than Shorten, and FLAC is only slightly slower than that.
09:53:19linuxstbSo I would have expected Shorten to beat FLAC.
09:53:42XavierGrI wish we had that optimised lossy codecs...
09:54:28linuxstbThe mathematics of lossless codecs is much simpler - it's all integer for a start.
09:56:23XavierGrlinuxstb: yestrerday I finished with the battery benchmark plugin. I added a buffer string so that changes between HD accesses can be rendered in the log.
09:56:24_FireFly_lossless codecs acts like winzip but for audio only
09:56:51XavierGrAlso there is no battery waste from the plugin so I think it makes some accurate measurments
09:57:24ashridah_FireFly_: except that winzip uses a dictionary at the end, which a lossless codec probably shouldn't.
09:57:35linuxstbXavierGr: Sounds good.
09:57:35XavierGrI would like some commnets from a dev, if someone has the time to take a peek.
09:57:46_FireFly_ashridah yep
09:58:26linuxstbashridah: Yes, normally each frame is more or less standalone - i.e. it doesn't depend on anything else in the file.
09:59:16XavierGroh just remembered: TiMiD, some of the settings for the remote must be saperate.
09:59:33XavierGrlike backlight caption for example.
09:59:41ashridahlinuxstb: that's the same for most codecs that support live streaming tho
09:59:42XavierGror the status bar.
09:59:48ashridah(or at least, should be)
09:59:54_FireFly_TiMiD should have the part for this from my unofficial remote-patch
09:59:57XavierGrthese must be independent from the main unit.
10:00:34XavierGrwell yesterday he said that he prefered to make options dependable form the main unti
10:00:50XavierGrat least for the scroll options, which we mention
10:01:10XavierGrscroll is okay to be the same, but not all options IMHO
10:01:22_FireFly_could be ihave only said that i have it not that he will use it
10:01:54XavierGrerm rephrase?
10:02:04_FireFly_oh so bad
10:02:47XavierGrah it needs commas
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10:03:24_FireFly_TiMiD got the relevant parts for the remote-settings from my unofficial remote-patch but i don't know how much he will use it
10:03:55_FireFly_so better to understand ??
10:04:11XavierGrthat reminds me that when I tried the remote implementation my self, the settings part was the only thing that I got right ;p
10:04:43_FireFly_that was the easiest part :)
10:04:54XavierGr_FireFly_: I understood the first one by the time I added a comma after the "could be"
10:05:24XavierGryes indeed the easiest and error proof.
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10:16:43webguest68a question about the .cfgs that come with the new wps files....
10:16:53webguest68are you supposed to move them?
10:16:55webguest68Because you can't select them with the cfg browser from the wps directory
10:19:38B4gderin the bleeding edge they are or will be moved
10:19:55webguest68okey dok - people are away - i'll check the logs later - thanks for the work folks
10:20:08webguest68ahh - ta Badger
10:20:12B4gderthey will be known as "themes"
10:20:26webguest68so "work in progress" that's cool
10:20:36B4gdereverything is work in progress!
10:20:56webguest68yep - but you know what I mean.. ta
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10:30:53linuxstbAm I right in thinking that code should never use the BUTTON_???? defines directly, but instead each module defines a set of key mappings (e.g. TREE_NEXT, WPS_EXIT) for each target?
10:32:10LinusNlinuxstb: "never" is a harsh word ... :-)
10:32:35LinusNbut yes, that's is the intention, i believe
10:32:37linuxstbI think it has to be never - e.g. the ipod has no off or stop button, which breaks tree.c
10:33:05B4gderyes, we need to use symbolic names and not the "raw" names of the actual keys
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10:38:11linuxstbSo if I find any places (like tree.c) where the raw names are being used, it should be fine to replace them with symbolic names (assuming of course I don't change any key mappings for any targets).
10:39:13Jungti1234USB 2.0 PCI cards that order arrived. :D
10:45:28LinusNlinuxstb: yes
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10:49:55markunLinusN: If I were to go ahead with a Gigabeat port, do you think it could be done without special hardware?
10:50:29markunThe units can be tricked to run linux binaries by using the firmware update I think.
10:53:53linuxstbmarkun: Do you know if it's uclinux?
10:54:02B4gderI doubt that
10:54:08B4gderits an arm920t arch
10:54:10B4gderfull mmu
10:54:36linuxstbSo it's going to be hard to get full control of the hardware from Linux?
10:54:58markunnormal kernel sources have support for the S3C2440 it seems
10:55:14_FireFly_B4gder your changes to the wps-code breaks some targets
10:55:38B4gderonly some? ;-)
10:55:51LinusNmarkun: you mean if we can make it boot rockbox with the builtin boot loader?
10:56:23_FireFly_B4gder yepp only some ;)
10:57:28markunLinusN: that would also be nice, but I was only thinking of running some test code to figure out how all the hardware (LCD for example) works
10:57:31_FireFly_B4gder e.g. keys_locked is also used un statusbar
10:57:55_FireFly_so to make this static isn't so goof
10:59:13linuxstbDoes the GPL mean that a hardware device using the Linux kernel must allow a user to update that kernel with a version they've compiled themselves?
10:59:39linuxstbOr does it just give them the source, with no means to actually use it?
10:59:49B4gdera good question
11:00:03B4gderI'm not sure
11:00:10_FireFly_B4gder your changes in gwps-common.h will increase the code size
11:00:38B4gderits a header
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11:01:48_FireFly_because this header is also included screens.h
11:01:57B4gderand therefore... ?
11:02:32_FireFly_maybe i'm wrong but i had noticed i slight code-size decrease after i had changed it to nit include gwps.h in gwps-common.h
11:03:31LinusNi don't see any reason why it would increase
11:03:45B4gderit would be very strange if it did
11:03:57B4gderor the header contained somethig it shouldn't
11:05:25*linuxstb wonders if gnu will ever redesign their website
11:05:52LinusNthe ipodvol wps looks awful just recently remade
11:06:43linuxstbQuote from the GPL: "The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it. For an executable work, complete source code means all the source code for all modules it contains, plus any associated interface definition files, plus the scripts used to control compilation and installation of the executable."
11:06:55linuxstbNote the last part - "installation of the executable".
11:07:41linuxstbB4gder: So it has. I didn't go via the home page.
11:08:48linuxstbmarkun: Someone needs to request the kernel source from Toshiba and see what they provide.
11:09:42markunI just emailed Nick Smith (from our wiki) who works for Toshiba. I wonder if he could help us in any way when dealing with them.
11:12:00markunWhat should I tell Toshiba when I request the linux source, anything about rockbox?
11:12:42B4gdertell them Linux is GPL and that you want the source please
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11:14:15markunI could contact their american research department maybe:
11:15:13linuxstbmarkun: At the end of the user manual there is a page that mentions the GPL and gives a website address. On that website address is a "linux@toshiba" email address. That's probably the place to ask.
11:15:25LinusNthe text in all the wps'es seem to have been shifted up one line
11:16:08linuxstbBut IIUC correctly, Toshiba only needs to provide the source to people they have distributed the code to. But I guess that includes you if you downloaded the firmware update from their website.
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11:17:02B4gderright, and perhaps markun owns a gigabeat. Its hard for them to tell...
11:17:28linuxstbYes, the worse they can do is to ask you for proof that you own a gigabeat.
11:17:53linuxstbBut we shouldn't assume Toshiba will be uncooperative.
11:18:07markunWe could always ask a Gigabeat owner to ask for the source..
11:18:26markunOr buy me one ;)
11:18:40linuxstbmarkun: If I was you, I would ask for the source. If they come back and ask for proof you own a gigabeat, then get an owner to ask for the source.
11:18:59linuxstbOr do both.
11:19:24markunok, I've send a short email
11:20:33linuxstbI think it's friday evening now in Japan - so bad timing for the email.
11:20:54markunI'll be away for the weekend anyway.
11:21:30markunDon't they work on saturday like in Korea?
11:21:44linuxstbI've no idea.
11:23:31thegeek_does rockbox now "ship" with a default wps for the h1xx target?
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11:24:11B4gderit always had a default wps
11:24:29thegeekhas the default wps changed then?
11:24:56_FireFly_only a default remote-wps was added
11:25:23thegeekI think the default mainscreen wps should change too
11:25:44thegeekengineer2 is nice, or iAmp 1.5
11:25:54pilli like zezayer
11:26:16thegeekdoes not really matter all that much, just use something better as default
11:26:27thegeekthe current default kinda sucks
11:27:00pilli agree it should be more up-to-date
11:27:11pillbut it forces users to dig into rockbox
11:27:18B4gderI only use the default
11:27:24pillhence learning how the thing works
11:27:36_FireFly_B4gder i will test this afternoon if there is realy a code-size-increase/-decrease when changing the gwps-common.h maybe i had changed something else too which was had decreased the code-size
11:28:20pillis there a way to make terminal 9 the default font for opening nfos?
11:29:36thegeekget damn nfo viewer
11:30:51pilli meant on rickbox
11:30:59pilli use damn ):
11:33:59linuxstbAre there any text-only WPSs in CVS yet?
11:34:28pilldont think so
11:34:32pilli made one
11:34:46linuxstbDoes the build system assume there is always a subdirectory associated with a wps?
11:36:26B4gderbut we can easily fix that
11:42:05markunB4gder: you once told me that you could change the sed code in the simulator makefile for perl. That would be nice because the FreeBSD sed doesn't work with the code.
11:42:54B4gderyes, we should do that
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11:45:37linuxstbI think that's the same problem I had when attempting to compile the X11 sims under Mac OS X as well. So if that's fixed, I'll have another go with Mac OS X.
11:45:57modafromanhow close are we from getting rockbox on h3?
11:47:01LinusNabout this close: −−−−-> <−−−−-
11:47:10modafromanwhat, 5 spaces?
11:47:15modafroman1 space = what?
11:47:19LinusNmore or less :-)
11:47:32modafromanso can i assume 1 space = 1 day?
11:47:46LinusNwe can't tell, hence my silly answer
11:47:52modafromani see
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11:54:14^BeN^LinusN keep the good work on the h300 mf
11:54:18^BeN^keep on
11:54:26LinusNwill do...
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11:56:47Zak1392any progress?
11:57:15markunI wonder which product model and firmware I should give them. Maybe F40 with version 2.02
12:02:50LinusNgotta go, cu guys
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12:10:26Zak1392when do you guys think it's gonna be released?
12:10:39Zak1392for h300
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12:11:36modafroman <LinusN> about this close: −−−−-> <−−−−-
12:11:58Topic"Seriously, we DO NOT estimate release dates. You'll find out when it happens." by B4gder (
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12:12:40Zak1392i know, but lets just have a wild guess ;)
12:12:50B4gdertomorrow or next summer
12:12:58B4gderor somewhere in between
12:13:54mark111it will be released by the next coming of jebus
12:14:02SlasheriZak1392: and when the bootloader is released, it doesn't mean that the player would be fully functional with audio playback immediately after that :)
12:14:20mark111but it COULD be
12:14:36Zak1392but i highly doubt that
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12:15:12mark111i thought the bootloader was checked into CVS this week allready?
12:15:37B4gdermost of the bootloader has been checked for years
12:15:44B4gderchecked in
12:16:04B4gderit doesn't mean it works for the h3x0
12:16:05Zak1392the bootloader is released within a few days right?
12:16:24B4gderI bet Linus regrets saying that
12:16:44B4gderbecause this reminds us all why we should never ever state a date
12:16:49linuxstbB4gder: It's OK as long as he says that every day.
12:17:37B4gderand it just adds presuare on him and looooads of people coming here asking exactly this
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12:22:02Zak1392jeez, i wish i could help Linus but I don't know jack about this kind of stuff
12:30:24*mark111 would like to state that he is a happy h140 user and only intends to upgrade when the ipod video 60GB has full rockbox support, provided its still available then
12:30:45*modafroman donates to rockbox\
12:31:30preglowmy ipod nano rockbox build fails with some iram errors
12:34:56linuxstbpreglow: I'm just doing a clean rebuild now...
12:35:26linuxstbOops, I can't. I'm half-way through working on the buttons and it doesn't build.
12:36:14linuxstbWhat's the error?
12:38:40preglow/usr/local/arm-gcc/lib/gcc/arm-elf/3.4.4/../../../../arm-elf/bin/ld: address 0x400183f8 of /home/thomj/rockbox-devel/ibuild/apps/codecs/vorbis.elf section .iram is not within region PLUGIN_IRAM
12:39:01preglowobviously, the build server doesn't get that
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12:42:09linuxstbSorry about that - lost the connection.
12:42:51linuxstbThe problem is that you are trying to use more than 96KB of IRAM - 96KB is 0x18000
12:43:17novimonlinuxstb, how can I enable the crossfeed dsp?
12:43:21*modafroman donates to rockbox
12:43:40linuxstbnovimon: crossfeed dsp is nothing to do with me, but try the sound settings menu
12:43:41novimonI cant manage to get the folder skip work, either
12:43:51novimonlinuxstb, its not there
12:44:21linuxstbpreglow: Did you change the file at all?
12:44:26novimonand why is my build dated 2008 :)
12:45:04linuxstbnovimon: I think that explains your problem. You are running a very old version of rockbox.
12:46:12novimonbut i did update it yesterday. if the files are locked or something?
12:46:20preglowlinuxstb: yes, i figured that was the problem, but no, didn't change it
12:46:24_FireFly_novimon playback-menu
12:46:31preglowi get that error all the time when optimising cdoecs
12:47:31novimon051031-2008 is the version of my build
12:48:08ashridahnovimon: it's under 'playback' not 'sound'
12:48:22novimoncant find it :(
12:48:27novimonwhats it called?
12:48:31linuxstbpreglow: Maybe the code that's in IRAM compiles to more bytes on the arm than the coldfire - hence the problem.
12:48:40ashridah'crossfeed' just under 'replaygain'
12:48:51preglowlinuxstb: i haven't changed it, that's the problem
12:48:53_FireFly_novimon you haven't the latest version your is from 31.10.2005
12:49:03preglowit's got to be something i did, since it doesn't happen in the dailies
12:49:07preglowso i'll just look around
12:49:26ripnetukhey guys, thanks for all the new remote wps stuff - looking really cool
12:49:46ripnetukanother feature fixed from iRiver firmware - display artist and album and song on remote :)
12:50:35ripnetukare we planning independent fornts for remote and main? i cannot think of a way to fill up all the gaops on the huge scfreen on the iRiver, except to use a larger font :)
12:50:48novimonill update it when i get home, ill check back later
12:51:12linuxstbpreglow: Maybe looking at apps/codecs/ in your build directory will give you a clue.
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12:52:40preglowi remember now
12:52:50preglowi've got a couple of iram changes in tremor
12:52:53preglowand like you said
12:52:58preglowcode is larger in general for arm
12:53:40preglowi wonder what to do with the extra iram on nanos..
12:53:44preglowand videos
12:54:07markunpreglow: Is rockbox also using thumb instructions, or isn't that useful?
12:54:28ashridahis it sad that i want to use rockbox over a pc-based player because it has better seamless playback than anything else i've got currently? :)
12:54:31preglowmarkun: no, it's not (yet)
12:54:39preglowmarkun: depends on the bus width
12:54:48linuxstbMaybe we need to introduce different priorities for iram usage - something like ICODE2_ATTR, ICONST2_ATTR etc for targets with more IRAM.
12:54:49preglowmarkun: apple never uses thumb, so i'm willing to bet it's 32 bits
12:55:11preglowlinuxstb: yes, that'll work if we don't get too many different levels of iram use
12:55:15linuxstbI'm sure the PP5020 publicity mentions a 32-bit bus.
12:55:16preglowiram capacity, i mean
12:55:17markunI thought it was just a way to reduce the code size
12:55:33preglowmarkun: well, yeah, but a 32 bit fetch doesn't cost any extra with a 32 bit bus
12:55:52preglowmarkun: the entire point is that you need to do two fetches to get an instruction if you've got a 16 bit bus
12:56:15linuxstbMaybe it could be useful for ICODE
12:56:29markunok, I just thought it would get 2 thumb instructions at a time
12:57:12preglowmarkun: it might, we could do some tests of course
12:57:20preglowbtw, we've got an armv4 core
12:57:32preglowso lots of the instructions you see on the quick ref card we don't have
12:57:48preglowluckily, we've still got smlal
12:57:48linuxstb:( So what does the 7 in arm7tdmi mean?
12:57:54preglowlinuxstb: no idea
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12:58:00linuxstbThey tricked me...
12:58:03preglowbut i do wish we had the saturating instructions :/
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12:58:22preglowand all the extra snappy math instructions
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13:01:33linuxstbpreglow: Almost all the instructions in the quick reference card have a "6" in the architecture column. Are you saying we don't have those?
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13:02:21preglownor the 5e ones
13:04:24markunI guess the Gigabeat CPU also can't use them: The ARM920T doc says: ARM9TDMI has a ARMv4T architecture
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13:06:42preglownah, i guess those additional instructions add quite a lot to the silicon
13:06:46preglowand they're not strictly essential
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13:06:54linuxstbpreglow: So what do we have? Anything with "4" or less and the "M" ?
13:07:06preglowlinuxstb: and 3, 2, etc
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13:07:25preglowi do wish we had 'clz', though
13:07:34preglowused in a ton of codecs
13:10:02linuxstbSo we don't have SETEND if the quick reference card is right.
13:10:03markunI'm confused, why is the arm7tdmi called ARM7?:
13:11:53markunok, I get it now, but still confusing.
13:12:30preglowlinuxstb: nope, appears we don't, you probably set endianness via a control register or something
13:13:20preglowmarkun: why is it called arm7?
13:14:11ripnetukacorn risk machine
13:14:25markunThe numbering for the _core_ is different from the _architecture_
13:14:48markun vs
13:14:52linuxstbSo SMLAL is a 32*32->64bit multiply and accumulate?
13:15:08preglowlinuxstb: yes
13:15:22preglowlinuxstb: makes our life very easy
13:15:56linuxstbYes, very nice for FLAC etc.
13:16:16preglowoh yes, and musepack
13:16:17preglowand tremor
13:16:19preglowand libmad
13:16:31preglowand just about everything, i'd imagine
13:16:47preglowwith a bit of luck, the compiler can even use it itself
13:19:09linuxstbHow many lpc orders can we unroll on the ARM for FLAC?
13:19:14linuxstbIs it the same as coldfire?
13:19:22preglowno, less, i'd imagine
13:19:36preglowperhaps 7 or something
13:22:20linuxstbBut would the general-purpose loop be any faster? It's hardly seems worth the effort for order 7 and below.
13:22:42linuxstbBut then again, I always use flac -8 to compress.
13:24:34preglowit all depends on how clever the compiler is
13:24:47preglowi'm willing to bet i can make it faster anywya
13:24:49preglowanyway, yes
13:25:50linuxstbDo you own any books on the arm?
13:26:33preglowsomeone ipl people said this one's nice:
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14:08:37CassandraI'm about to commit a fix for the missing rwps issue.
14:08:51CassandraJust testing everything still works.
14:12:00ripnetukwhat was the missing rwps issue ???
14:13:14CassandraProblem with the theme generation scripts. I fixed a bug by introducing another one.
14:15:00ripnetukanyone have a clever way to switch between my 2 favorate ways of listening to music? 1. Random all tracks (using a all.m3u playlist in root) and listening to a specific album (directory) in order? can this be done with .cfg files?
14:15:32ripnetukatm i just browse to root and select all.m3u - would be nice to do it in less keystrokes. Obviously playing a specific track is just a case of finding it in the treeview
14:16:40ripnetukaha turningoff folow playlist helps
14:17:02linuxstbripnetuk: I was thinking about the same thing last night - I normally listen to individual albums from beginning to end, but would sometimes like to listen to random tracks. The ipod has a useful "shuffle songs" option in the root of the main menu that will shuffle the entire contents of the player.
14:17:17CassandraI've always thought there ought to be a simple way to do that.
14:17:22ripnetukyeah, thats the one thing the iRiver firmware has over rockbox
14:17:32CassandraIt's not as easy to implement as it sounds.
14:17:33_FireFly_due this slower startup afaik
14:17:47ripnetukyes, the iriver scans the disk on startup... takes forever
14:17:58ripnetukfar smarter to have a all.m3u that is done when syncing music onto device
14:18:11ripnetukcan a .cfg file specify a playlist?
14:18:14linuxstbBut we have dircache...
14:18:32Cassandraliunxstb: true. We could use that now.
14:18:42Cassandraripnetuk, nope.
14:19:01ripnetukone way (assuming all.m3u has all files in) is a inverse follow playlist, ie, when you browse the tree, it goes to the correct location in the playlist, instead of building a new playlist.
14:19:09ripnetukthat way the 'all' playlist would always be loaded
14:19:48ripnetuki guess we would have to assume that all.m3u is sorted tho otherwise we would have to scan the whole thing (is that too slow?)
14:19:53CassandraAs linuxstb has just pointed out, it already is sort of. It's just a matter of feeding the dircache into a playlist sensibly.
14:20:46Cassandradircache is a fairly new feature. It stores the contents of the hard disk in memory.
14:20:50ripnetukbut only directories already encountered i assume
14:21:01ripnetukotherwise we have the iriver delay dont we?
14:21:03linuxstbNo - it does a background scan of the whole disk on startup.
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14:21:17CassandraIt's pretty darn cool.
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14:22:22linuxstbBut it's an option (users can turn it off), and I'm not sure if it's available on the Archos devices due to their limited RAM.
14:22:25ripnetuki guess what im really after is a top level menu option (or key shortcut) to load a playlist and engage shuffle. AFAICT this would require the ability for a .cfg to load a playlist (it can already do shuffle no:?) and a way to kick off .cfg files in a shortcut way
14:24:11ripnetukin fact, thinking about it, what I really want is to not lose the playlist when I select a specific track... i think the inverse follow playlist oiption ois what i want
14:25:22_FireFly_or changing the track with the playlist viewer
14:26:29Cassandralinuxstb, we could put a "shuffle all" option on the context menu conditionally on whether you had dircache available.
14:26:58_FireFly_ripnetuk you can change the track with the playlist-viewer
14:27:17Cassandraripnetuk, themes are a way to kick of .cfg files in a shortcut way.
14:27:20_FireFly_while playing a playlist
14:27:29CassandraNot yet.
14:27:29ripnetukfirefly - yes, but unless its organised as a tree its very slow to find the rioght track in ~4000
14:27:51_FireFly_ok thats a good point :)
14:27:52ripnetukthemes sounds good then... are we planning on a top level (ie few keypresses) way of activating?
14:28:10ripnetukmaybe the answer is for the playlist viewr to behave more like treeview,
14:28:44ripnetukie, assuming the playlist is sorted in dir order (ie, all files in a/b/c are next to each other) it displays it as if its a dir structure
14:29:19ripnetukAND you can select playlist viewer to come up instead of tree view
14:29:25Cassandraripnetuk, theoretically the ID3 database is designed to solve that problem.
14:29:26ripnetukor as a virtual directory in root?
14:29:35CassandraUnfortunately it's still pretty buggy afailk.
14:29:57ripnetukso the ID3 database is tied to playlists, not directory content?
14:30:30CassandraWell, it's a database of all the ID3 info from your MP3 player.
14:30:47_FireFly_i have just triggered a bug
14:31:00ripnetukbut my goal is for the playlist to still be active after manually selecting a song - i have my mp3s organised in a way that i can quickly find a track anyway
14:31:00CassandraBrowseable by Artist, Album, Song Title.
14:31:19ripnetukyeah, like the ipod. boo! i prefer to have the dirs organised nice
14:31:33_FireFly_while playing a song i was in filetree(short press select) and hit the stop button playback stops and resume didn't worked correctly after that
14:31:36CassandraMe too oddly.
14:32:20_FireFly_wps was shown also the track infos but playback didn't started
14:32:43ripnetukon a totally different note... can we access the context menu from remote?
14:33:01_FireFly_which context menu ??
14:33:08ripnetukmy bad
14:33:20ripnetuki way trying in wps, not treeview ;-O
14:33:48_FireFly_the context menu can you also open in wps with long press navi/menu
14:35:22amiconnripnetuk: You can always use the playlist 'queue next' feature
14:35:40ripnetukami - oh yes, that sounds like an answer
14:35:50*amiconn doesn't get why we need a thousand different ways to activate the same feature
14:36:16elinenbeamiconn: Can I follow the directions on patching the H100 firmware with the H300 firmware, to get it up and running on the H300?
14:36:47amiconnThe tagdb browser has a rather ugly problem though, as it currently mimics the plain dir browser... it adds all tracks in the virtual 'directory' if you select one
14:37:45amiconnThis is (1) probably not what you want, at least in the artist or song view. It might be what you want in the album view
14:38:09amiconn(2) It tends to take almost forever, especially if max files in dir is set high
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14:39:05amiconn(3) Moreover, it doesn't really add *all* tracks in the virtual dir; it stops after max_files_in_dir tracks
14:40:11amiconnImho the solution would be that playing a file in the tagdb 'track' or 'artist' view should add that very track only
14:40:47ripnetukusually when I play a track, i expect the rest of the album to play after it
14:41:30ripnetuknot all tracks by that artist, or genre etc
14:44:08ripnetukregardless of if i choose by album, artist etc
14:44:15ripnetukalbums kind of naturally hang together
14:44:52ripnetukif playing a track from treeview did a insert as next into playlist for the entire album, i would be happy :)
14:45:13ripnetukand of course jumped to the selected track
14:47:40CassandraHmm. Anyone think of a good reason why I shouldn't stick the theme browser on the main menu?
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14:48:14ripnetukSo what is a theme then? is it a fiel that references a .cfg and a .wps in one go?
14:48:46CassandraIt's actually just a subset of a .cfg file (you can reference a wps and rwps from within a cfg file).
14:49:37ripnetukso why are we having a new type of thingie then <−−- dumb question
14:51:04preglowelinenbe: depends on which directions you're talking about, i doubt fwpatcher will work
14:54:44amiconnelinenbe: There is no bootloader yet, but when there is, it should work the same way
14:54:57Cassandraripnet - it's not really a new type of thing. It's just an easy way to swap several things around quickly.
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14:55:46CassandraCalling it themes makes it easier for the end user to grasp what it does. They don't have to care about how it's implemented.
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14:59:02ripnetuki see
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15:09:31elinenbeamiconn: thanks.
15:14:58Zagorsorry, wrong window :-)
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15:16:09Cassandra_FireFly_, what's this isfile parameter in wps_data_load for?
15:17:28CassandraOr I coudl just read the comments.
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15:49:15whatboutbobevening folks.
15:49:36whatboutbobanyone reported playback issues with the bleeding edge build?
15:50:02CassandraNot that I've heard.
15:50:26whatboutboba few of my flacs aren't playing. they were playing on the previous build i had (nov 12)
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15:53:06CassandraI know nothing about codecs - can't help you. Sorry.
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15:53:44whatboutbobno worries. i'm rolling back anyways. just thought i might give the heads-up.
15:54:09CassandraProbably best to report it in the bugtracker.
15:54:34whatboutbobk. will do.
15:55:47whatboutboboh. maybe not " Do not report bugs for unreleased code (i.e. Iriver at the moment). Use the mailing list or IRC to discuss such development."
15:57:44whatboutbobwell, if anyone's reading the logs (and cares), the files are encoded using dbpoweramp, level 8.
15:59:37whatboutbobwhen i attempt to play them, the 'please wait' pops up on the screen then the file appears on the wps with the correct details, then it jumps back to a root wps, then back into the file tree.
16:00:03whatboutbobno sound produced.
16:01:10linuxstbwhatboutbob: FLAC files from dbpoweramp should be fine now - there were some problems a few weeks ago, but I thought I had fixed them all.
16:01:39linuxstbCan you give me an example file that crashes with the current version of rockbox?
16:02:28linuxstbDo you know which version of Rockbox the files last played correctly with?
16:02:51whatboutboblinuxstb: sure thing. ysi ok? they were working fine on the build i was using from nov 12.
16:04:02linuxstbLet me do some tests first - I have a few dbpoweramp example files already. Maybe a recent change has broken flac playback.
16:04:16whatboutbobother flacs work fine.
16:04:49whatboutbobpretty sure the working ones weren't converted with dbpoweramp tho
16:05:07_FireFly_linuxstb: maybe a metadata-parsing bug ??
16:05:48linuxstb_FireFly_: Sounds like it - but what changes in the last 6 days could have broken it? Apparently the 12 November build is working.
16:06:17linuxstbwhatboutbob: Send me the file, but I have no idea what ysi is. Can you upload it to a web server?
16:06:53linuxstbAh, ?
16:08:01linuxstbMaybe it's a WPS bug - which WPS are you using?
16:08:27linuxstbYes, is perfect.
16:08:56*whatboutbob hopes he's not missing anything obvious
16:10:14_FireFly_argh i have deleted my rockbox-source dir with my combined-bitmap support .... ok then must i rewrite it
16:11:45whatboutboblinuxstb: ysi isn't happy (0.5kb/sec). don't have axs to a web server on this puter. can i email it to you or something?
16:11:58whatboutbobsmallest file is 2.3meg
16:14:26whatboutbob...or if you've got AIM you can get it from whatboutbob79
16:14:42linuxstbwhatboutbob: I think I've found the problem. FLAC files with id3v2 tags don't play any more.
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16:17:15linuxstbSo don't worry about the example file - I'm 99.9% sure that is causing your problem as well.
16:18:50whatboutboblinuxstb: hokay. to be honest, i'm not sure how the files are tagged (was my first time using dbpoweramp and i was in a hurry)
16:19:48_FireFly_if someone interrests i have updated my wps-sb-tag-patch on tracker
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16:24:35tucozHi, how can I see what the changes at the cvs are, without checking out the newer files. Like a status or something like that
16:24:48tucozi.e. cvs-server
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16:28:26tucozDo I just check out the changes, and do cvs log <filename> for the patched files?
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16:29:36tidejpHi everyone, I'm just stopping by to say thanks for all efforts in porting the H300 series!
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16:31:38tucoznevermind, cvs log works fine
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16:33:47CassandraRight, with that commit, themes should finally be working properly.
16:38:29linuxstbI don't know if anyone's done this before, but I've just been doing a little experiment with how my H140's hard disk is organised, and quite like the effect. It completely changes the Rockbox experience without changing a line of code.
16:38:57linuxstbBasically, I've cleaned out the root directory of my player and created directories with names related to actions rather than content.
16:39:16CassandraSuch as?
16:39:28linuxstbi.e. a "Browse Music" directory, a "Browse Data" directory, a "Games" directory, a "Restore Settings" directory.
16:39:52linuxstbe.g. inside Browse Music I have a directory called "Artists", then I have my usual collection of Artist/Album/Track files
16:40:21linuxstbIn "Browse Data" is all the rubbish I store on my player which Rockbox can't play.
16:40:24elinenbelinuxstb: you could create your OWN menu structure with .cfg files that just do one thing.
16:41:01linuxstbThe "Restore Settings" directory can contain .cfg files with names such as "Defaults" or "Car Mode"
16:41:04elinenbelinuxstb: such as a folder called "Play Option" with cfg files in there "1 - Shuffle", "2 - Repeat", "3 - Shuffle, Rpeat"
16:41:17linuxstbelinenbe: Yes, this is exactly what I'm thinking.
16:41:32linuxstbIt only works if you hide file extensions (i.e. set Show Files to supported)
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16:42:19linuxstbI've got another top-level directory called Games where I have copied the .rocks for the game plugins and renamed them to "title" case - i.e. "RockBlox", "Sliding Puzzle"
16:43:08linuxstbI'm planning to populate the "Browse Music" directory with lots of automatically created playlists based on the tags in the files.
16:43:43linuxstbI currently have "Browse Music/Artists/" which contains all the albums, I could have "Browse Music/Albums" which contains a single .m3u file for each album.
16:43:52CassandraI deserve coffee - back in a bit.
16:44:07mordovlinuxstb: what program do you use to male autoplaylists?
16:44:16linuxstbmordov: I haven't written it yet :)
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16:44:32mordov:D send me a copy when you have ;) I'v been lookig for it :)
16:45:40linuxstbThis creates the impression of a completely menu-driven Rockbox, with the advantage that everything is fully customisable - you just rename and move directories and folders to whereever you want them.
16:46:50mordovI't like I have it... only I can't move the /recotrings folder and do I need the build file on root??
16:47:24mordovI would werry mutch suport a menupage on the start og rockbox..
16:47:53linuxstbCreate your own menu in the filesystem - that's what I've just done.
16:48:52mordovI have it like that :) and it works ok, I just wanted a menu saying brows files, brows musiv, start radio etc...
16:49:22mordovwith that you could add a option on the quick menu to do brows by tag and brows by three mode
16:49:48mordovnot music suported files tags... that is a tad to mutch ;)
16:50:15amiconnlinuxstb: Automatic playlists could be created with searchbox/databox
16:51:04linuxstbWhat I want is a script to automatically generate a large number of playlists, and then arrange those in a directory hierarchy.
16:51:29amiconnI have an idea concerning searchbox btw. Today it always writes /search.m3u . It could write /<dir_of_rps_file>/<rps_file_name>.m3u instead
16:52:02mordovwhat is searchbox
16:52:26mordovI miss a file search engien on the player...
16:53:21whatboutbobgnight all.
16:53:28amiconnsearchengine I mean. It's for searching the tag database
16:53:29_FireFly_whatboutbob: night
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16:53:50mordovah ok :)
16:54:13linuxstbA feature that would be useful for my system would be to have a file called (for example) "FM", and selecting that file in the file browser would open the FM Radio screen. Similarly for most of the top-level menu items like "Sound Settings", "Recent Bookmarks" etc
16:54:57amiconnmordov: There is a file search plugin
16:56:33mordovPluginDatabox Searchengine Frontend
16:56:36mordovthis one?
16:57:30amiconnThat's the databox/searchengine pair used for database queries
16:57:38amiconnFile search is just named search
16:58:14mordovok thanks
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17:03:23preglowlinuxstb: why doesn't flac files with id3v2 tags work anymore?
17:04:46linuxstbpreglow: I haven't looked at the problem yet. I'm sure it's something trivial.
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17:06:27preglowonly thing i can think of is the change i did, but that worked after commiting
17:06:32preglowand it's a long time ago
17:06:43*tucoz awards linuxstb with todays 'most valuable tip'-award.
17:09:13tucozI moved from a cluttered browsing experience to a nice and shiny, well organized with just a few mv's. Thanks
17:10:07mordovis it some way to move the recordins folder? and to boot from anywhere else that root?
17:10:16mordovthat would make sutch browsing eaven bettr...
17:11:21mordovan I se the recylce biin windows makes to... anyway to get rid of hat?
17:11:27preglowhow do those numerical assembler labels work?
17:11:37preglowbxx 1f for forward and bxx 1b for backwards?
17:11:55tucozmordov, just delete it ;)
17:12:46tucozAnd by staying away from OSX or Windows, will help you stay out of things like that.
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17:16:02mordovI sadly need windows to do everything.... I want to click my compu niot use it for practical stuff ;D
17:16:24mordovIf I hade somethig seriuos to do on it it would have linux :)
17:16:41tucozmordov, I think that you can disable the creation of a recycle bin, and the System Volume information folder in windows.
17:17:05tucozI.e. for removable media. But, I am not sure how well it works.
17:17:36mordovI'm was thinking the same... can't find it but I know it's here somwhedre
17:19:59mordovwindows XP = most unlogical UI evver
17:20:28tucozhard to find out, I tried some google searches. But, it seems that most people want the recycle bin
17:21:29CassandraI have it on Windows, I use it. I don't have it on Linux. I don't miss it.
17:21:40mordovI can turn the funciton of but nor remove the fucker..... windows makes a new one... eawen when I have set it to not put files in recyclebin
17:22:04tucozCassandra, do you know how to tell windows not to create a recycle bin on removable media?
17:22:16CassandraI did once.
17:22:21CassandraI can't remember how though.
17:22:37CassandraSomewhere in the drive properties, I think.
17:23:29preglowyou can switch recycle bins off per drive in the recycle bin itself
17:23:41preglowdon't know if that suppresses creation of it on the drive, though
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17:24:00preglowplus, it's got a nasty habit of just forgetting your settings
17:24:13tucozpreglow, so I've heard
17:24:27mordovyapp... windows in genneral has amnicia
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17:26:51XavierGrWindoze suck, but I don't why I keep using them...
17:27:01XavierGrToo lazy to convert to Linux
17:28:28XavierGrthis link is very handy. Why isn't there a direct link from Rockbox site?
17:28:52XavierGrforget me there is a link
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17:31:00mordovcan I rename the rockbox folder on my player?
17:33:36preglowmordov: not if you're interested in booting afterwards
17:35:06mordovbootin is overrated :S
17:35:25preglowwhy'd you want to rename it anyway?
17:35:56mordovwanted to call it system
17:36:11preglowwell, you can, if you're able to compile your own rockbox
17:36:19preglowjust replace all .rockbox with System
17:36:51elinenbeXavierGr: I agree... I love since25.html
17:36:57mordovok.. I see I have to learn this compiling thing :) I need it everyday it seems
17:37:45preglowlinuxstb: sorry about the lack of ipod work, but i'm a bit busy currently
17:38:10preglowi've got some small changes in that might enable us to boot rockbox, i'll try to test it afterwards
17:39:51linuxstbpreglow: No problem. I haven't done much either.
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17:54:54lamedabprepeat.c missing id
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17:58:01lamedaarrrghhh,,, ahhh,, please... a... better... ide... begging... dev-c can't display two parts of the same file. nither conTEXT texteditor... xemecs makes me angry with a very complex menu system & no syntax highlight... please, i'm just looking for something nice.. most preferebly something that can CVS, diff, patch....
17:58:43lamedand edit one textfile in two windows, verticaly and horizonticaly
17:59:12lamedmaybe an option to search entire project would be nice...
17:59:16lamedhelp :/
18:01:32linuxstblamed: In xemacs, just do Options -> Syntax Highlighting
18:02:57lamedlinuxstb, thanks, but.. ah, those control ins/del shift alt bindings are so inconvenient! (win user, can't help it)
18:03:27lamedrecorder has a remote?!
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18:06:19lamedlinux. "<<<<<<< list.h" in a cvs updated file, means, the next following lines are from that filename untill "======"?
18:09:40linuxstbI'm not sure.
18:09:59linuxstbBut I think so.
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18:15:12leftrightSlasheri; you here ?
18:15:24leftrightgot a bug for you :-)
18:16:21Slasherileftright: hi, yes :)
18:16:45leftrightIf you rename a directory with "dir cahce" enabled it doesn't show the contents, but if you cycle the player on/off then the contents show
18:17:17Slasherioh, thanks. I will try it. I have verified earlier that it should work but there might be something wrong
18:17:46leftrightthank you :-)
18:17:46lamedmax filename size = 215 ?
18:18:02lamedon rb
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18:20:50Slasherihmm, remote clicking can be fixed entirely
18:20:54lamedwhy everyone keeps ignoring my questions...?
18:21:00Slasheriit requires large delay to the I/O line
18:21:15Slasherijust tested and no more clicking at all
18:21:42ep0ch|lamed: patience, someone will answer if they know the answer.
18:21:55leftrightlamed: folks are only inclined to answer if they know the answers to questions, nobodies purposely ignoring you, methinks :-)
18:22:04linuxstbSlasheri: I like the new "fast skip" option, but would it make sense to spin up the disk as soon as a user starts to skip files. At the moment, it seems that it only spins up the disk when you stop browsing.
18:22:23Slasherilinuxstb: yes. However, ata_spin() doesn't seem to work :/
18:22:29Slasheriyou can find it commented out from the code
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18:24:20leftrighthehe, stuffed that up
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18:24:45preglowi'm starting to dislike the buffering on irivers
18:25:01preglowis there any way to turn off the clever mini-buffering that happens before the main buffering?
18:25:09linuxstbSlasheri: Looking at the code in ata.c, ata_spin() only seems to prevent the disk from spinning down by resetting the timeout counter. It doesn't cause a spin to start
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18:25:34Slasheripreglow: not yet. In fact, i am just modifying the code to buffer the first track entirely at start
18:25:43Slasherilinuxstb: oh :/
18:25:43preglowSlasheri: i want it to buffer everything
18:25:56grmblyHi all - just like to add my void to all that cannot wait for Rockbox on my H340 - Sorry to be a pest
18:26:01grmbly(voice) sorry!
18:26:07preglowi just created a playlist while a track was playing, and when those tracks started, i started to skip through them after a while to find the one i wanted
18:26:14preglowand each time i skipped a track, the disk spun up
18:26:34ep0ch|i dont like the idea of buffering everything straight away
18:26:36grmblyAnd also tho thank all those involved in the project - whats a suggested donation when it's live ?
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18:27:35grmblyIt's gone very quiet
18:27:38Coldtoastdoes that sound abnormally loud?
18:27:45grmblyToo Quiet, like sometings going on.
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18:28:12grmblyI wonder if that's them creeping up on us whilst we're not looking...
18:28:30grmblyor just paranoi
18:28:39grmblyparanoia (damn microsoft keyboard)
18:30:09linuxstbpreglow: Have you read this thread about Vorbis files crashing Rockbox:
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18:34:51preglowi have
18:34:57preglowi've already gotten a file from slasheri that crashes tremor
18:35:00preglowno time to look at yet
18:35:29ep0ch|i think those files were encoded with a pre-stable codec
18:35:54preglowthis one's 1.0rc2
18:36:02preglowlow bitrate
18:36:40ep0ch|the one i'm looking at is 2001 02 25, about 15 months before vorbis was stable
18:36:51linuxstbThe files linked to in that thread cause Tremor to crash in the ov_open_callbacks() function. So it's before any data is decoded.
18:37:28linuxstbBut yes, ogginfo tells me it was encoded with "Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20010225 (1.0 beta 4)"
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18:38:46linuxstbIt would be nice if we could make Tremor fail gracefully though.
18:38:54preglowor even work
18:39:02preglowi can't see why it shouldn't
18:39:15lameddumb isn't supposed to build correctly, right?
18:39:24preglowi bet it's in fetch_headers
18:39:30preglowlamed: correct
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18:40:46preglowlinuxstb: you didn't narrow it further down?
18:40:48linuxstbSee this thread:
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18:40:57linuxstbpreglow: No, but read that thread
18:41:16linuxstbIt appears that files decoded with beta 4 or earlier require more memory to decode.
18:41:47preglowso? still shouldn't crash us
18:41:49linuxstbWhich would explain the segmentation fault I get in the sim - it must be overflowing some buffers.
18:42:05preglowbut yeah, can't you narrow it down to an exact line?
18:42:17peturmordov: about that recycle bin: in explorer, right-click, properties: there you can set recyclebin separate for each drive and disable it
18:42:38peturmordov: only sure for W2K, which is what I use...
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18:43:06mordovyapp, that made it work :)
18:43:14mordovafter a restart of windows ;)
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18:43:31mordovwounder how long before windows reset the setings :)
18:43:43peturno problem
18:43:59lamedguys, question: is maximum filename char size is 215?
18:44:08mordovargh,, not it popped back...
18:44:27mordovso it's not so easy getting reid of system volum and recycle bin...
18:44:35mordovstupid XP
18:44:38linuxstbpreglow: According to gdb, it crashes in _get_data which is called from fetch_headers
18:45:44linuxstbSorry, fetch_headers calls get_next_page which calls get_data
18:46:09*lamed wonders if he is ever going to finish his patch
18:46:14peturmordov: sorry, I stopped upgrading at W2K, XP treats users as idiots... It thinks you made a mistake and has put it back ;)
18:46:46mordovso usedrfriendly you can die :)
18:47:13preglowlinuxstb: sounds like a container error, then
18:47:22preglowhmm, or no
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18:47:36mordovw2k has some bugs on some games.. that whay I use Xp...
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18:48:39linuxstblamed: It is MAX_PATH
18:48:45Mxm`Pas`Bienw2k is the best of windows ..
18:48:45linuxstbWhich is set to 255
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18:48:58cannardthats why ive stuck with OS/2 Warp. i have to do some config to get games to work, but its fine!
18:49:05Maximebut, if u want to use latest office & so on, you have to go XP ..
18:49:15preglowlinuxstb: you didn't get the exact line?
18:49:29Coldtoastwhy bother with Office? why not OpenOffice?
18:49:45*petur has no time left to waste on games
18:49:46Coldtoastit's better and it's free
18:49:48cannardopenoffice is still a bit buggy
18:49:53MaximeColdtoast: erm, was forced to install last office ^^
18:49:56Maximenot my choice :p
18:49:59linuxstbpreglow: vorbisfile.c:68
18:50:33preglowlinuxstb: so it's in ogg_sync_wrote?
18:51:02linuxstbgdb also tells me _get_next_page (vf=0xb5ca4200, og=0xb5ca410c, boundary=The value of variable 'boundary' is distributed across several locations, and GDB cannot access its value.
18:51:29linuxstbpreglow: No, it's a few lines above that - we must have different versions of the file. 68 is the first line of that function for me - "errno=0"
18:51:41linuxstbWhich is odd.
18:51:57preglowlinuxstb: strange, i have no changes in it
18:52:04preglowlinuxstb: only changes i have are in block.c
18:52:34linuxstbI had some debugging code in there.
18:52:48peturany cygwin user around? can't get that gcc-3.4.4 patch for coldfire to run (crosscompiler) - I don't have a gcc/config/m68k/ dir here :\
18:52:50Coldtoasthey. what are the dimensions of the display on the LCD remote in pixels?
18:52:51linuxstbI'll compile a clean sim with no changes and try again.
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18:53:26mordovpetur: I drive 1.5 houer races in a series... I feel like I'm a f1 driver.. would not calle that waste :D
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18:55:29peturmordov: I do a 1.0 hour compile on the crosscompiler, it crashes and then I see there's a patch... I feel like a beginner... that's wasted time!
18:55:57mordovhahahaha :) you'll get pro ;)
18:55:58lamedlinuxstb, thanks, that's a quick fix for something here.
18:56:37peturmordov: should be, have a full-time programming job :(
18:56:42linuxstbpreglow: I've uploaded the gdb backtrace here:
18:57:03mordovhahaha You are pro :) just start feeling like it ;)
18:57:11linuxstbThis is with a clean compile - the crash happens on line 64.
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19:00:53mordovI have 4mb left of diskspace on my player is will that be a problem? chache a<nd stuf...
19:02:10mordovthat's cool... windows says 4mb rockbox says 425 mb ;)
19:02:14mordovwho is right?
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19:45:45ghode|afkdoes anyone know of a program that can download a whole website
19:46:29ghode|afkfor windows?
19:46:43preglowit does exist for windows, yes
19:46:49preglowwget with the -r flag should work
19:47:19*preglow does the sorry-for-mentioning-wget-in-here ritual
19:47:39ghode|afkhmm is this a download manager?
19:49:19ghode|afknm seems to do what i need, thanks preglow
19:50:14uskipreglow, why is it forbidden to mention wget ? :) it's a good program isn't it ? even if it's a bit offtopic :)
19:52:03ColdtoastI had an idea for the FM Radio WPS. you could have bitmaps named the same as a preset and have the bitmap ldisplayed when the preset is chosen
19:52:09peturamiconn: that patch you added on for gcc-3.4.4 - any info?
19:52:13Coldtoastso you could have station logos
20:02:02SlasheriHmm, it seems that we would need to sacrifice some cpu time to prevent the remote from ticking
20:03:06mordovthe remote is bugy on the iRiver firmware to.....
20:03:29Coldtoastmine doesn't tick
20:03:32mordovgood to know it's not just ne :)
20:03:43ep0ch|didn't they fix it with new firmware
20:03:44Coldtoasthow loud is the drive when it's spinning for you guys?
20:04:24ColdtoastI noticed how loud mine is but I don't know if it's just cos I noticed it or if it's gotten loude
20:04:25ep0ch|Coldtoast: well i can hear it if i put my ear to the case
20:04:36Coldtoastwhat about at arm's length?
20:04:41Slasheriputting _x < 100 to the delay loop, prevents ticking. But that will cost cpu power
20:05:07Slasheriand yielding is not possible because it takes too long
20:05:11ep0ch|Coldtoast: hangon letme find somwhere quiet
20:05:40mordovamr's lenht two compus on I can barly hear the higest part of the sound,,,
20:05:46mordovthe high pitch :)
20:05:59mordovgues I would hear the rest if it was quiet
20:06:38ep0ch|Coldtoast: a slight wine and i can hear the headers chugging along
20:06:58mordovyes please :)
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20:09:38Coldtoastif you do a recording in a quiet place and stop it recording when the drive spins down, is it louder than the MP3 I posted the link for earlier?
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20:11:16Coldtoast that one, if you missed it
20:11:17ep0ch|what gain did you use?
20:15:40Coldtoastwhatever the default is
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20:16:48ep0ch|0dB i think
20:17:15ColdtoastI bet the hdd whine on mine is much louder
20:20:51ep0ch|can you check what you gain is set to
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20:21:18ep0ch|i hear almost nothing at 0dB
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20:23:03Coldtoastquality: 0, L and R Gain: 0dB
20:23:28ep0ch|No, from the recording screen, not recording settings
20:24:25ep0ch|ok assuming that's what you used with your original recording 'll try it again
20:25:12ep0ch|or would you like to re-record it at 8dB again to be sure :)
20:25:30ColdtoastI'll record at 0dB
20:25:37ep0ch|oh ok
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20:28:12Coldtoastah cool! thanks
20:28:29XavierGrSlasheri: Do you have a patch to test? Mine clicks like hell. Does it had a major effect ot frequency?
20:29:29SlasheriXavierGr: Hmm, i will paste the patch for you
20:29:40Coldtoastok. mine's HELLA noisy then
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20:30:23SlasheriXavierGr: if you can, please report if it causes any problems
20:30:32Coldtoastbummer. it'd out of warranty too
20:30:46ep0ch|Coldtoast: mine isn't the original ihp-120 one, since that one died.
20:31:00Coldtoastthe drive?
20:31:21ColdtoastI bet the drives aren't cheap either
20:31:29Coldtoastwell, I'll wait for it to doe tho
20:31:39ep0ch|i think the 30gig was about 90
20:31:52Coldtoastthis is a h140
20:32:50ep0ch|if i'd have known rockbox was going to ipod i should have bought an ipod and borrowed the drive for a while.
20:33:19Coldtoastif I buy another DAP, it'll be a 20GB at most
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20:35:59solexx_Coldtoast: 20 gigs are not enough :)
20:36:57Coldtoastit is for me
20:37:08SlasheriXavierGr: hmm, in fact the delay is way too high if cpu is not boosted
20:37:18ColdtoastI've had my h140 since November last year and it has 8GB of stuff on it
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20:39:39solexx_I have my H120 for two or three months now and I regularly only have several hundred MB free
20:39:56solexx_I don't really listen to everything, though
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21:16:24lamedhow do i get stringsize?
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21:21:27lamedis lcd_fontsize still exists?
21:22:52lamedi'm trying to retrive the fontsize. lcd_fontsize is documented in docs/api/ but it's not in the code, correct?
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21:24:06Acksawupdated the fwpatcher i see
21:25:52lamedhelp anyone
21:26:44Acksawwhata up
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21:39:53FebsH300 added to the fwpatcher. That's exciting news.
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21:41:41FebsOf course, it will be even more exciting when he makes the updated fwpatcher available for downloading.
21:42:26webguest90whare does that fit in the large scheme of things?
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21:47:21*lamed thinks that's just another way to speak about the forbidden topic.
21:49:04FebsThe bootloader is the part of Rockbox that gets flashed to your player's flash memory.
21:49:17FebsIt's explained here:
21:49:19Acksawbtw Febs
21:49:27Acksawcongrats on becoming a mod at MR
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22:11:36lamedwhat's font->maxwidth for?
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22:57:19lamedhow do i cast an integer to pointer for a function without declering another pointer?
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23:08:14pinkutankbj, toute le monde konichiwa minna
23:08:48pinkutankdoes the inverse mode kill battery life? I was thinkg of a wps that operates at inverse
23:11:38pinkutankinteresting, no one here
23:12:18ender`it's friday evening
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23:13:45pinkutanki know i guessed so
23:13:52LinusNpinkutank: the inverse mode doesn't use more power
23:14:06pinkutankgood, maybe this wps'll turn out rather good
23:14:11pinkutankhow are things?
23:14:19LinusNfine i guess
23:14:44pinkutankwhich one would you prefer, a numeric volume meter or a graphic?
23:14:49pinkutankor both side by side
23:15:43pinkutankyou fine tune by ear then, ok I'll just add numerical later if people request it afterwards
23:17:15ender`make it an option! >:)
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23:18:52uskihi all
23:18:57uskiLinusN, hi :)
23:19:33uski(i hate my school... i don't have much time to spend here while studying.. what a pity)
23:19:36pinkutanklol, you reminded me of a guy that started his ib oral like that
23:20:02pinkutankhe said Yo, I'm x x, registration #10512050
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23:20:40muesli_-hi LinusN ...stupid question... how do i join the developing crew (a friend probably wants)
23:20:51uskipinkutank, what's an "ib oral" ? :)
23:22:13LinusNmuesli_-: you write patches and get them accepted
23:22:35LinusNthen we get tired of applying all your patches so we give you a cvs account
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23:26:23pinkutankuski: international bacchelaureat
23:26:30uskipinkutank, ok
23:27:01pinkutankthat was born to be mispelled
23:27:18uskiyea, like some other french words (i'm french so I know that lol)
23:27:30uskianticonstitutionellement is a french word too :D
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23:38:05eli_shererany new stuff about the porting?
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23:38:24LinusNeli_sherer: not really
23:38:37LinusNwhich port are you talking about btw?
23:38:50eli_shererLinusN: sorry, the h300 ofcourse...
23:39:09^BeN^eli, israeli user?
23:39:21^BeN^ma nisma =]
23:39:33eli_shereri made the hebrew mod...
23:39:50^BeN^ohh =] good mod
23:40:03^BeN^but if the files dont need to be in gibrish
23:40:07^BeN^it was better
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23:40:20eli_shererI use icaptool it's the best
23:40:34eli_sherermy mod supports icaptool
23:40:55^BeN^ok but the files in the computer
23:41:06^BeN^in gibrish
23:41:10eli_shererjust run it in the music directort "icaptool +u"
23:41:12^BeN^not regular hebrew
23:41:20^BeN^i know
23:41:21eli_shererso to get it back you type "icaptool -u"
23:41:25^BeN^i allready use it
23:41:35eli_shererthats temporary solution
23:41:56eli_shererRockbox supports hebrew and bidir languages so all of this will be worthless
23:42:04^BeN^u have some information when i river release new firmware?
23:42:26eli_shererthat's LinusN to know and for me to wait to find out... :(
23:42:39eli_shererohh you mean iriver...?
23:42:46LinusNi doubt that iriver will release anything
23:42:56eli_shereri second that
23:43:06Kyl3what about that whole 1.29k thing?
23:43:11LinusNmakes no sense
23:43:22Kyl3In any case tho, Rockbox will be better.
23:43:24LinusNwhy waste developing resources on a dead platform?
23:43:26^BeN^whell i will wait for rockbox like all
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23:43:43Kyl3It dualboots right?
23:44:03^BeN^linus do you work on somthing now?
23:44:08LinusNit's the same as on h100, hold rec to start the original
23:44:17eli_shererLinusN: do you have any hopes of making support for the USB-OTG?
23:44:29LinusNof course
23:44:30Kyl3isnt that hardware
23:44:53DMJC-Lwith the 300 series, is the audio hardware the same?
23:45:01Mooshey guys
23:45:13Philipexcept no optical
23:45:28DMJC-Lso have you got sound playback already working
23:45:30Kyl3i cant wait though, for the 1st hour after the relese, the site prolly gonna be down lolz
23:45:39MoosHey Linus you will need to duplicate yourself for answer to all new H300 questions XD
23:45:54LinusNDMJC-L: no, there are a few minor differences that i haven't worked out
23:45:58eli_shereri guess in israel it's going to be on the news of every gadget site...
23:46:07eli_shererand people will start buying them like crazy... :)
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23:46:12Kyl3usbotg is a hardware issue on the us players right?
23:46:26modafromanusbotg is included on all players iirc
23:46:27Kyl3so what plans do you guys have for it
23:46:38LinusNno plans, really
23:46:42DMJC-Lheh I can think of so many uses already hehehe
23:46:52lamedi forgot how to chain commands even if one of them fails (i.e, not &&)
23:46:52Kyl3but itll function?
23:46:53DMJC-L(wireless dongle)
23:46:56LinusNwe'll aim for UMS first i guess
23:47:06Kyl3good idea
23:47:17DMJC-Lmake it act like the original firmware
23:47:32DMJC-Lthat's what you do first, new stuff can come later
23:47:33LinusNthe us models have the usb-otg hardware, but they lack the power supply for the slave
23:47:41modafromando they?
23:48:11Kyl3yeah, power it externally or solder a jumper wire
23:48:31DMJC-Lso Linus, what kind of ETA you thinking of? best case scenario
23:48:58LinusNDMJC-L: come on, give me a break
23:49:32lamedlinusN: how do i chain commands even if one of them fails?
23:49:37DMJC-Ljust wondering because of how quickly the wiki seemed to turn from not much to like 75% green
23:49:41PhilipxD read topic
23:49:50LinusNlamed: where and when?
23:50:04modafromanslash topic #rockbox
23:50:08DMJC-Lbe hillarious if my h300 arrives as the firmware comes out
23:50:32lamedlike cd .. && make && diff just make it always happend.
23:50:41DMJC-Lwell I'm getting it for like $165
23:50:45LinusNwindows i guess?
23:50:49DMJC-Land it's replacing my 100 seris
23:50:55lamedcygwin i mean.
23:50:59Kyl3How come on the daily builds website, the 11/18 19:28 build has no errors but the newest one does? unless its a new issue just discovered
23:51:02DMJC-LI figured I'd get stuck with the iriver firmware
23:51:10DMJC-Lwhen my 100 broke
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23:51:24DMJC-Land they said they'd only replace it with a 300
23:51:24Kyl3newest one doesnt
23:51:32Kyl3you updated again
23:51:37LinusNlamed: i don't remember
23:51:38lamedlinusn: i just forgot the syntax, to make it always happend, even if there was an error.
23:52:12DMJC-Las for the question heh
23:52:21eli_shererlook at some ideas i made for future programs on H300 ROCKbox
23:52:23DMJC-Lsorry bout that but I never read topics in xchat
23:52:50modafromaneli_sherer: i dont get it?
23:53:19eli_shererthe keyboard layout for a text editor and a draw program layout...
23:53:36modafromanid rather have a gba emulator
23:53:53DMJC-Lgood luck coding m68k assembler heh
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23:54:02eli_shererthe keyboard layout is already 220 on the width and the buttons are very well engineered
23:54:22DMJC-LI'd love to see a wireless module
23:54:34DMJC-Lfor network detection... have it as a handheld wardriving kit
23:54:41DMJC-Lnot that that'll ever happen heh
23:55:22eli_shererwith usb host you can do's just a matter of how many room do you have for OS
23:55:34eli_shererdrivers and such
23:55:46modafromanthe 3 things id want for h300 rockbox: gba/gb colour emulator, ~24fps video, and, i have no idea what the final one is
23:55:56modafromanbut i dont know how viable that is
23:56:13modafromanthe clock would have to be raised quite a bit for 24fps video = less battery
23:56:21eli_sherer24 fps will really be'll make my archos owner friends jeleous
23:56:26DMJC-Lvid would be sweet but yeah
23:56:54lamedlinusn: will you have time to check my patch?
23:57:09lamedit will be ready very soon
23:57:19modafromanwhat for lamed?
23:58:06eli_sherermodafroman: i think gba emulator will need more then 10fps as well...
23:58:19modafromangba runs at ~20fps i think
23:58:31modafromanbut that would be so awesome
23:58:42modafromanhowever i think the gba clock is like ~100mhz
23:58:56eli_sherereven gbc will be ok with me... btw iriver has more colors then gba...

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