| 00:00:04 | eli_sherer | yes with global constants very convinient... |
| 00:04:18 | LinusN | ooops, i just bricked my h1x0 :-) |
| 00:05:04 | LinusN | lucky me to have a bdm wiggler ;-) |
| 00:05:35 | Moos | hehe :D |
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| 00:06:03 | * | modafroman rejoices |
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| 00:07:33 | Moos | Linus: with your futur H300 bootloader, you will release v6 for h1XX in same time? |
| 00:07:40 | LinusN | yes |
| 00:07:50 | * | ashridah wonders what the real maximum framerate of the lcd on the h300 would be |
| 00:07:53 | Moos | good to hear :) |
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| 00:07:59 | LinusN | ashridah: slow |
| 00:08:35 | modafroman | so would it be impossible to get ~24fps video? |
| 00:09:40 | modafroman | just going through all the h1xx wps's, is going to be cool when we get to h300 to see everyones creativity |
| 00:10:20 | eli_sherer | i guess a lot of colored bitmaps...and really complicated code...hehe |
| 00:10:44 | crwl | [01:10] <eli_sherer> i guess a lot of colored bitmaps...and really complicated code...hehe |
| 00:10:49 | crwl | oops |
| 00:10:55 | XavierGr | Slasheri: Sorry I didn't replied about the remote, I was away, I will test right now and let you know |
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| 00:12:53 | Kyl3 | hey san |
| 00:13:26 | San | hey |
| 00:13:33 | San | any news on the H300 yet? |
| 00:13:50 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 00:14:05 | eli_sherer | about the gbc emulator there's an open source one called "gnuboy"... (suitable for x11) |
| 00:14:24 | modafroman | dont think there is an open source gba emulator tho |
| 00:14:37 | Moos | San: just lets the "master" working on it, you will know when they are ;) |
| 00:14:37 | Kyl3 | and another new build in about 15 mins |
| 00:14:42 | LinusN | eli_sherer: we have ported gnuboy to the h120m called rockboy |
| 00:14:52 | San | is there a download yet? |
| 00:14:56 | Kyl3 | no |
| 00:15:00 | San | ah |
| 00:15:06 | modafroman | check the topic |
| 00:15:08 | San | expected in a few days, right? |
| 00:15:10 | eli_sherer | oops... |
| 00:15:17 | Kyl3 | or a week |
| 00:15:29 | San | cool |
| 00:15:35 | DMJC-L | http://cowbite.emuunlim.com/ |
| 00:16:07 | modafroman | are there any pics of rockboy running? |
| 00:16:18 | LinusN | google for rockboy |
| 00:16:31 | modafroman | ahh |
| 00:16:36 | San | linus |
| 00:16:39 | XavierGr | my God Slasheri you are right this will remove any sort of clicks present.. |
| 00:16:42 | San | just wana say thanks :D |
| 00:17:05 | XavierGr | and I dont get a slugish reaction at long filetree lists |
| 00:17:19 | XavierGr | though It will be very laggish in the radio screen. |
| 00:17:26 | Moos | XavierGr: but he said that will cost abit more cpu usage |
| 00:18:17 | XavierGr | yes but for me that the lag is a major issue I can live with that |
| 00:18:33 | modafroman | exciting times it is now |
| 00:18:33 | Moos | sure just for not forget it ;) |
| 00:18:38 | XavierGr | this little patch must be known for users that use the remote and have that problem |
| 00:19:43 | Moos | sure, it was a very Infamous bug :) |
| 00:19:59 | XavierGr | stupid iriver |
| 00:20:07 | Moos | hehe :) |
| 00:20:17 | Moos | like for lots of stuffs |
| 00:20:24 | XavierGr | freelancer programers are making iriver look amateur |
| 00:20:42 | modafroman | why? |
| 00:21:05 | XavierGr | and I had lost hope. I was considering bying another remote, to mod the older one. |
| 00:21:14 | _FireFly_ | XavierGr: which patch ?? |
| 00:21:15 | eli_sherer | but still iriver made one hack of an operating system that takes down every other on the market |
| 00:21:23 | eli_sherer | graphic wise i mean |
| 00:21:37 | Moos | modafroman: we don't still really why they did like they made, e.g no radio rec... |
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| 00:21:43 | XavierGr | I was thinking to cut the audio jack of the remote in order to plug earphones directly to main unit but that should be very difficult |
| 00:22:07 | XavierGr | _FireFly_: I will pm it to you. |
| 00:22:16 | XavierGr | very nice indeed, small and valuable |
| 00:22:25 | ashridah | Moos: given that by the time they release a product, they have to start building the next one, i'm not surprised that features got cut, and stuff got promised with no delivery |
| 00:22:30 | eli_sherer | some uses extensions... |
| 00:23:06 | Moos | ashridah: sure there are commercials issue... |
| 00:23:23 | Moos | but I'm sceptic with some things |
| 00:23:33 | * | ashridah also suspects they don't have as many people working on it |
| 00:23:45 | Moos | oh yeah :D |
| 00:23:46 | ashridah | and lets face it, a good deal of rockbox pre-existed here too. |
| 00:23:48 | eli_sherer | well their working on their U10 they don't have time for us (H300s) |
| 00:24:05 | ashridah | rockbox had the oppertunity to save time by importing opensource codecs |
| 00:24:20 | Moos | indeed |
| 00:24:25 | eli_sherer | yes |
| 00:24:55 | Moos | Glory to opensources projects :) |
| 00:25:23 | eli_sherer | makes me wanna burn my licensed copy of windowsxp and install linux |
| 00:25:45 | * | San smiles |
| 00:26:33 | XavierGr | haha eli_sherer, you actually paid for Windows? |
| 00:26:48 | XavierGr | never do that again.... |
| 00:26:56 | eli_sherer | yes it was a student's deal |
| 00:26:59 | Kyl3 | No errors! New build! |
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| 00:27:22 | eli_sherer | something like $20 for windows xp sp1 and office 2003 |
| 00:27:47 | XavierGr | well that's a good price considering the originals |
| 00:27:49 | eli_sherer | it is callled Microsoft Licensind Student Media |
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| 00:28:03 | XavierGr | but I will not pay anything for microsoft in my life |
| 00:28:08 | XavierGr | (except hardware) |
| 00:28:15 | eli_sherer | it really is..but i hate that authentication every time i install it...blah |
| 00:28:52 | eli_sherer | Ripped copies spare you the trouble |
| 00:29:15 | Moos | time to sleep a bit, have a good night all |
| 00:29:29 | eli_sherer | good night |) |
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| 00:29:42 | eli_sherer | i think ill go to 3) |
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| 00:30:51 | Jungti1234 | hehe http://www.misticriver.net/photos/albums/userpics/12589/Color%20iPod%203G.jpg |
| 00:32:52 | San | hah |
| 00:33:57 | Kyl3 | lol |
| 00:36:58 | DMJC-L | hehehe |
| 00:37:36 | DMJC-L | hehehe paid for windows... |
| 00:37:40 | DMJC-L | WTF!? |
| 00:37:46 | Kyl3 | I did not |
| 00:38:04 | DMJC-L | admittedly... i was trying to build a system on newegg and they bundled XP into it |
| 00:38:06 | LinusN | i have paid for both my winxp licenses |
| 00:38:17 | DMJC-L | man computer stuff is so expensive |
| 00:38:19 | San | me too |
| 00:38:22 | DMJC-L | esp when you want 4gb of ram |
| 00:38:26 | San | but use kubuntu |
| 00:38:38 | DMJC-L | my laptop has legit XP |
| 00:38:42 | DMJC-L | my desktop has gentoo linux |
| 00:38:54 | DMJC-L | be interesting when I get my new desktop hehehe |
| 00:39:16 | DMJC-L | ath 64 X2 4400+ |
| 00:39:22 | DMJC-L | in a mac G5 case |
| 00:41:04 | DMJC-L | still planning the mod, but I've sorted out most of it |
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| 00:59:35 | pinkutank | hmm hmm, is trhere anyway we could implement something to change the size of the progress bar and scroll fields |
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| 01:01:56 | solexx_ | there has been a discussion about 'boxes' where you could print and draw |
| 01:02:10 | solexx_ | instead of the whole framebuffer, as I understand it |
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| 01:02:32 | solexx_ | but I don't know whether anybody is working at it |
| 01:07:08 | XavierGr | FM radio is buggy like hell. |
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| 01:08:02 | San | for the H100? |
| 01:08:35 | XavierGr | yes |
| 01:08:51 | XavierGr | when you fiddle around too much strange things happening |
| 01:09:13 | LinusN | strange things? |
| 01:09:37 | pinkutank | like aliens coming? |
| 01:09:40 | pinkutank | :) |
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| 01:12:05 | lamed | can i redirect stdrr into a file and the screen? (something like" make &> 123 &> | more " but something that works) |
| 01:12:31 | LinusN | tee |
| 01:12:38 | XavierGr | Linus: I had 2 issues |
| 01:13:10 | XavierGr | First, I had a crash when I quit the FM radio. (after I fiddled too much) |
| 01:13:52 | XavierGr | Second, I quit the FM radio and the audio codecs couldnt be found after that. A reboot solved the issue. |
| 01:14:13 | XavierGr | I just can't really understand how a so comapct radio became buggy... |
| 01:14:59 | pinkutank | i think it has to do with the route of the signal |
| 01:17:00 | LinusN | XavierGr: sounds like a memory corruption issue |
| 01:17:33 | pinkutank | why are my cmpos end up getting inversed? |
| 01:18:35 | XavierGr | Also, the button arrangement is difficult to get used to. But I will give a little more time over this, maybe these are better than the old, I just can't get used to them. |
| 01:19:07 | LinusN | pinkutank: what's a cmpo? |
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| 01:35:00 | pinkutank | bmps |
| 01:35:02 | pinkutank | :) |
| 01:35:23 | pinkutank | btw, palyer ocmmitted suicide, boots up, no buttons work, dircache dead i think, gonna reflash |
| 01:35:30 | pinkutank | i mean re install .rockbox |
| 01:35:32 | pinkutank | not reflash atm |
| 01:37:43 | pinkutank | in irivers, is there any legal issues with this |
| 01:38:13 | pinkutank | we dont reverse engineer the code so it shouldnt be illega |
| 01:38:13 | pinkutank | l |
| 01:38:59 | pinkutank | oh lol |
| 01:39:03 | webguest53 | Considering their normal lack of attention when it comes to their customers, I don't think it matters... |
| 01:39:05 | pinkutank | make takes 4 times as much |
| 01:39:25 | pinkutank | I wasnt caring aobut doing something illegal |
| 01:39:34 | pinkutank | I was just wondering theoratically |
| 01:40:18 | pinkutank | lol its 3 am, I hate when time runs |
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| 01:42:07 | webguest38 | hey |
| 01:42:17 | webguest38 | just heard that rockbox is targeting the ipod |
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| 01:42:27 | webguest38 | does that include the new ipod with video too? |
| 01:42:43 | webguest53 | I don't think so |
| 01:43:25 | webguest53 | But the Nano is targetted, which is cool |
| 01:43:34 | webguest38 | why not the new one? |
| 01:43:52 | San | LinusN, You know in the iRiver H300 firmware you are building, are you going to be implementing images into the firmware like the origional iRIver firmware does? |
| 01:43:57 | webguest53 | Different processor setup I believe |
| 01:44:15 | LinusN | San: what do you mean? |
| 01:44:45 | webguest38 | Linus can you say something about supporting the ipod with video? |
| 01:44:50 | San | like...in the iriver firmware, the interface is made up of images, will rockbox have that?> |
| 01:45:04 | LinusN | webguest38: sorry, no |
| 01:45:10 | LinusN | San: no |
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| 01:45:29 | webguest38 | what does no mean? no support? |
| 01:46:10 | LinusN | webguest31: no means that we aren't working on the video ipod (yet) |
| 01:46:18 | San | [00:45] <LinusN> San: no <−−- Ah, ok. But you have it in the H100 series |
| 01:46:28 | LinusN | no |
| 01:46:29 | webguest38 | is there a chance? does it have the same processor series? |
| 01:46:39 | pinkutank | should i relieve you of answring |
| 01:46:54 | pinkutank | currently theyre not working on the video ipod |
| 01:46:54 | LinusN | San: the rockbox user interface is not made of images |
| 01:46:59 | San | yeah |
| 01:47:05 | San | but you can get like one in there |
| 01:47:06 | LinusN | San: but you can have images in the wps |
| 01:47:14 | San | thats what I ment |
| 01:47:21 | San | sorry for not making it clear |
| 01:47:23 | pinkutank | the problem with the video ipod is, it uses another video chipset to output stuff to lcd |
| 01:47:30 | webguest38 | the question is is the new ipod witth the same processor as the other ipods so it might be easy to port it to this processor later? |
| 01:47:31 | LinusN | San: then the answer is yes |
| 01:47:35 | pinkutank | and it is not "circumvented" yet |
| 01:47:36 | San | ah, cool |
| 01:48:03 | pinkutank | but, I think it may be circumvented, linux guys said they will be working on it |
| 01:48:10 | pinkutank | but dont expect it in a month |
| 01:50:45 | webguest38 | how did it come that you guys started rockbox for ipod? |
| 01:51:08 | LinusN | we felt like it :-) |
| 01:51:30 | pinkutank | I'm not a dev here, but probably because thousands of people use it, there was already a linux project, so booting process was handled faster than usual ? |
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| 01:51:51 | LinusN | the amount of users isn't interesting |
| 01:52:02 | pinkutank | ok |
| 01:52:08 | LinusN | the main benefit is that the ipod can be purchased in a store |
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| 01:52:25 | pinkutank | :) |
| 01:52:38 | pinkutank | if it goes like this, even plumbers will start supplyin |
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| 01:54:56 | preglow | LinusN: weren't you the one caling an ipod port 'pearls before swine'? ;) |
| 01:55:07 | LinusN | i still do :-) |
| 01:55:23 | linuxstb | Rockbox is for ipod owners who don't want ipods. |
| 01:55:35 | LinusN | well said |
| 01:55:37 | pinkutank | :) |
| 01:56:03 | preglow | hehe |
| 01:56:35 | preglow | as long as we can actually finish the port before the current ipods arent availablle anymore |
| 01:56:46 | LinusN | :-) |
| 01:57:04 | pinkutank | did I show you guys this, ipod magick |
| 01:57:15 | linuxstb | My ipod (the 60GB color) has been replaced by the video, but the Nano should hopefully be available for a while. |
| 01:57:22 | pinkutank | http://www.lovehoney.co.uk/product.cfm?id=5294 |
| 01:57:23 | preglow | anywho |
| 01:57:43 | preglow | tehy are/were made in sufficient quantities to be useful for a while |
| 01:57:51 | preglow | s/tehy/they/ |
| 01:58:39 | pinkutank | shit, bad sector |
| 01:58:45 | pinkutank | + dircache |
| 01:58:47 | pinkutank | no good |
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| 02:00:02 | preglow | uski: why, because some of the rockbox elders are involved in curl as well, of ocuerse ;) |
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| 02:00:40 | preglow | think i'll just wait with the answering until i can type again |
| 02:04:31 | linuxstb | LinusN: What are you plans for USB OTG on the H3x0? |
| 02:04:39 | linuxstb | s/you/your/ |
| 02:04:53 | LinusN | no plans really, i think UMS is a good start |
| 02:05:01 | preglow | ums? |
| 02:05:33 | LinusN | universal mass storage |
| 02:05:46 | preglow | right, the other socket |
| 02:05:51 | linuxstb | Are there any existing usb stacks we could use? |
| 02:06:03 | LinusN | preglow: no, the otg socket |
| 02:06:29 | LinusN | linuxstb: we could always look at linux and see how they do it |
| 02:06:43 | LinusN | but i think we'll have to do most of it ourselves |
| 02:06:44 | pinkutank | omg I killed the simulator |
| 02:06:46 | linuxstb | I just imagine USB to be big and complicated. |
| 02:06:55 | LinusN | yes |
| 02:07:13 | preglow | i think it is |
| 02:08:03 | preglow | linuxstb: has your ipod got firewire? |
| 02:08:08 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes. |
| 02:08:14 | preglow | now there's a wasps' nest |
| 02:08:34 | preglow | wasp's... |
| 02:08:43 | linuxstb | But I didn't get a cable for it - just the dock<->USB cable. |
| 02:09:30 | preglow | i'm wondering, does firmware handle every aspect of ipod usb? |
| 02:09:44 | preglow | all i got was a dock adaptor, heh |
| 02:10:08 | linuxstb | What does that do? |
| 02:10:23 | preglow | adapt the small nano to a larger dock |
| 02:10:38 | preglow | it's just a piece of plastic |
| 02:11:09 | linuxstb | OK. I didn't get a dock with mine, just the cable from dock connector on the ipod to USB on my PC. |
| 02:11:18 | preglow | no dock for mine as well |
| 02:11:20 | preglow | just the adapter |
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| 02:12:26 | linuxstb | I've heard the IPL people talk about making progress with getting USB OTG to work, so hopefully the ipod can share Linus's new USB stack :) |
| 02:13:20 | preglow | LinusN: what do the sdram fixes do? tighter timing? |
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| 02:14:30 | LinusN | it enables continuous page mode, tighter refresh timing and proper delays in the init phase |
| 02:15:01 | linuxstb | preglow: You know, the kind of thing datasheets help with... |
| 02:15:31 | preglow | linuxstb: kind of forgot about those things after getting an ipod... |
| 02:17:08 | preglow | i'm still wondering why ipod threading doesn't work without my test threads |
| 02:20:02 | linuxstb | I wouldn't worry about it too much yet. |
| 02:20:29 | linuxstb | At least your tests show that the context switching is working. |
| 02:22:38 | linuxstb | We have a solution (read-only) for HFS access - libhfsp seems quite suited for use in Rockbox. |
| 02:29:14 | preglow | the test threads i had going don't show too much at all, i still wonder if it works in a normal scenario |
| 02:29:35 | preglow | read only is enough for me :P |
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| 02:30:28 | _user_ | phaedrus961: i'm having problem applying the latest unicode patch |
| 02:32:53 | _user_ | http://cloud.prohosting.com/g2tl/log.txt |
| 02:40:30 | LinusN | time to sleep |
| 02:40:36 | LinusN | nite all |
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| 02:40:48 | lamed | hehe... is this just me that getting constant wierd hiss? |
| 02:41:54 | _user_ | im not getting it |
| 02:42:28 | pinkutank | I always had hiss with rb |
| 02:42:43 | whatboutbob | hey folks. has the idea of one-button playlist queueing been shot down many times before? |
| 02:43:26 | lamed | pinkutank, yes, me too, ever since switching to koss the plug. but i'm talking about no music, just very load hiss... (static) |
| 02:44:47 | lamed | i'm building again |
| 02:45:01 | pinkutank | oh |
| 02:45:38 | lamed | hope its not my patch ://// |
| 02:46:19 | pinkutank | what did you build |
| 02:47:50 | lamed | bah... that's kind of terrifying actually. 4 AM and i'm getting a sudden load noise. pinkutank - h120. |
| 02:48:12 | pinkutank | I meant what patch |
| 02:49:06 | lamed | something for better screen viewing... hope to post very shortly. just that static i wasn't ready for it... |
| 02:49:49 | pinkutank | argh |
| 02:50:01 | pinkutank | it might not be the patch |
| 02:50:13 | pinkutank | if you want I can try it |
| 02:51:13 | lamed | I will happily let you the first one to try it! but i just wanna make sure everything is set up right. |
| 02:52:19 | pinkutank | I meant it could be something else other than your patch, If I try poatching my source you cna see if its your patch or sumtin else |
| 02:52:27 | pinkutank | but you could just recompile too |
| 02:52:28 | pinkutank | :D |
| 02:53:27 | lamed | pink: do you use headphones? haven't had that hiss with iriv fw? explain please. I wasn't getting the hiss (now i mean the very gentle quiet hiss) up until moving to better headphones. |
| 02:53:38 | pinkutank | I use e3c |
| 02:53:46 | pinkutank | shure e3c |
| 02:54:23 | pinkutank | the hiss comes with the isolation + ability to project extremes(lows and highs) |
| 02:54:34 | pinkutank | let me see if i get it with irivers |
| 02:54:52 | whatboutbob | pink: did u get it with irver? its prolly going from 16 to 32ohm cans |
| 02:54:54 | pinkutank | oops, in a while do, currently removing badsectors |
| 02:55:10 | pinkutank | i dont remember if i got it with iriver but I'll try |
| 02:55:34 | pinkutank | I have a plethora of headphones,I'll try with some of them |
| 02:55:45 | pinkutank | 2 more coming the 24th actually |
| 02:56:41 | whatboutbob | i'm getting the e3's myself next week. looking forward to 'em. |
| 02:57:16 | lamed | i've just bought those...and eveyone keeps telling me they are soo expensive... 180 nis = 40 $ |
| 02:57:26 | pinkutank | what kind of music do you listen to, ordered yet? |
| 02:57:36 | pinkutank | 40$ ? for what |
| 02:57:56 | pinkutank | you mean the plugs lamed? |
| 02:57:59 | whatboutbob | just got my grado sr60's back for the first time since i've owned my h140 (loaned them to a friend ). they actually sound pretty good with the h140. pleasantly surprised. |
| 02:58:13 | | Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") |
| 02:58:16 | pinkutank | sr 60s are good with portables |
| 02:58:27 | pinkutank | what do you listen to, did you order the e3cs yet |
| 02:58:45 | lamed | yey. back on the game. |
| 02:59:36 | pinkutank | for anyone thinking of <70-80$ phones |
| 02:59:38 | pinkutank | Id say ksc 75 |
| 02:59:46 | whatboutbob | pink: i've already bought 'em via ebay. just waiting for 'em to arrive. listen to all sorts. not hiphop, not thrash, not dance. just about everything else. |
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| 03:00:02 | pinkutank | how much you paid |
| 03:00:24 | pinkutank | theyre very decent but your ears need to get adjusted to them , take bout a month |
| 03:00:42 | whatboutbob | $85 shipping (used) |
| 03:01:04 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 03:01:06 | whatboutbob | * shipping |
| 03:01:23 | whatboutbob | ergh...not showing the plus sign... :) |
| 03:01:52 | whatboutbob | yeah...i'm curious to see how the fit goes. i hear you really have to jam them down your ear canal. |
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| 03:02:03 | lamed | anyone heard something about earplugs taking some time to 'adjust' ... i mean... to themselves? -i feel like when i've first opend up my plugs they didn't had enough trebel. now they are fine. |
| 03:02:42 | pinkutank | some of them do |
| 03:02:45 | whatboutbob | lames: some cans burn in...yeah. but with plugs, it may just be you getting used to fitting them better. |
| 03:02:45 | pinkutank | some of them dont |
| 03:02:57 | pinkutank | plugs, usually fitting better |
| 03:03:12 | pinkutank | but low range plugs use your normal drivers so they burn in too |
| 03:03:18 | pinkutank | anything above e2c doesnt |
| 03:03:28 | pinkutank | I just ordered super fi 5 pros |
| 03:03:40 | pinkutank | btw yes e3cs go as deep as anything can go |
| 03:03:52 | pinkutank | actually, one tip stuck in my ear yesterday |
| 03:04:09 | pinkutank | there was no way i could touch it with my finger, and it was invisible |
| 03:04:25 | whatboutbob | damn..that sounds a little scary. |
| 03:04:28 | pinkutank | I pushed here and there around my ear and pulled it out with a hairclip |
| 03:04:46 | pinkutank | dont worry, it doesnt happen much, just try to keep them clean |
| 03:05:03 | pinkutank | throw the tips in to alcohol form time to time and clean around the tube |
| 03:05:09 | pinkutank | so they dont move alot |
| 03:05:12 | pinkutank | it was my mistake |
| 03:05:27 | pinkutank | someone cma oalong to talk, i rapidly pulled it out, and i sitll iddnt hear anything :D |
| 03:06:18 | whatboutbob | err...are the wps not compiling atm, or am i screwing something up? |
| 03:06:41 | pinkutank | what do you mean wps not compiling |
| 03:06:57 | lamed | yes!!! I'm all done!! where should i upload? sourceforge? on the way! |
| 03:07:11 | whatboutbob | 'no wps module present, can't do the WPS magic!' |
| 03:07:30 | pinkutank | yes thats what i get too |
| 03:07:47 | pinkutank | lamed if you need space I can help you wisth my ftp serv |
| 03:08:21 | lamed | pinkutank: dev i suppose? |
| 03:08:47 | pinkutank | no I'm not, so it wouldnt turn up in the patches |
| 03:08:50 | pinkutank | what I do is |
| 03:09:03 | pinkutank | i put in on sourceforge |
| 03:09:08 | pinkutank | and link to my fftp server |
| 03:09:30 | pinkutank | to get some of the load off the sf servers if people are smart enough to use links instead of the attachment |
| 03:09:31 | pinkutank | :) |
| 03:10:19 | pinkutank | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=439120&group_id=44306&aid=1358312 |
| 03:10:21 | pinkutank | like her |
| 03:10:22 | pinkutank | e |
| 03:10:42 | lamed | i'll be finishing uploading in a sec... it's a 31 kb file i don't suppose it would be problematic... |
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| 03:11:16 | pinkutank | woot my h120 is hot |
| 03:11:28 | pinkutank | extensive scandisk |
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| 03:18:20 | | Join Membrillo [0] (n=3ce41a60@labb.contactor.se) |
| 03:18:32 | pinkutank | so lamed, cna we see the patcch |
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| 03:22:44 | lamed | sdlkjglskdjel;j; ;g; nervous... finished writing a short explanation... |
| 03:23:40 | pinkutank | :) |
| 03:24:11 | pinkutank | one sohuld be careful hot plugging the h120 |
| 03:24:21 | pinkutank | i dthink i developed a bad sector or two ther |
| 03:24:22 | pinkutank | e |
| 03:24:35 | lamed | clicked the submit... |
| 03:24:45 | pinkutank | hope you were logged in |
| 03:24:50 | lamed | ___ Item Successfully Created___ |
| 03:24:56 | lamed | yep. i was. |
| 03:25:18 | lamed | hurry up, install it... i've got to know what someone else thinks of it... |
| 03:25:25 | pinkutank | link pls? |
| 03:25:29 | pinkutank | im laz y:D |
| 03:25:51 | | Quit Vladoman (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 03:26:45 | lamed | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1360892&group_id=44306&atid=439120 |
| 03:26:53 | lamed | of course! my fault! |
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| 03:27:23 | lamed | everyone else are asleep..? |
| 03:27:26 | whatboutbob | lamed: what does your patch do? |
| 03:27:57 | whatboutbob | m |
| 03:28:00 | whatboutbob | nm |
| 03:28:11 | whatboutbob | i'm blind |
| 03:28:39 | lamed | you can read _all_ about it in the patchtracker... ah. then i guess it won't help you :\ |
| 03:29:43 | whatboutbob | oh...no...sorry...i'm not literally blind. just didn't read 3 lines above. |
| 03:29:59 | lamed | roflmao |
| 03:30:19 | pinkutank | haha |
| 03:30:39 | pinkutank | what kind of diff is it, I only work with 1 file patches so I dont know how to apply yours |
| 03:30:44 | whatboutbob | hehe...i should prolly be a little more sensitive considering the number of blind rockbox users. sorry guys! :) |
| 03:31:10 | lamed | i wanted to ask you if rockbox are the only guys today that support players for the blinds... |
| 03:31:34 | pinkutank | k found it |
| 03:31:37 | Membrillo | how does the blind support work? |
| 03:31:45 | pinkutank | the menu speaks to you |
| 03:32:25 | lamed | pinku, put the patch at the root build folder |
| 03:32:30 | Membrillo | really? thats pretty cool. So have the rockbox guys just recorded themselves saying the menus and set it to play on scroll over or something? |
| 03:32:43 | lamed | (i.e ./rockbox-devel ) |
| 03:32:54 | lamed | change the name to something shorter like screen.diff |
| 03:33:17 | lamed | and then type | patch -p0 < screen.diff |
| 03:33:25 | lamed | that's a zero |
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| 03:34:42 | lamed | membrillo: you can either have a program records the english strings for you, menus, filenames, numbers... or you can use your own voice. |
| 03:35:39 | pinkutank | lamed |
| 03:35:45 | lamed | yep |
| 03:35:46 | pinkutank | it reects something from the lang file |
| 03:36:03 | lamed | sry? |
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| 03:36:17 | pinkutank | it rejects a line from eng.lang |
| 03:36:44 | lamed | on it |
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| 03:37:16 | lamed | what did it told you? |
| 03:38:01 | pinkutank | I sent you a pm |
| 03:38:07 | pinkutank | got it? |
| 03:38:18 | pinkutank | if i paste here I'll be kicked |
| 03:40:17 | lamed | do you want me to step by step you on that or just wait i'l reopload a fix? |
| 03:41:24 | pinkutank | i dont mind either |
| 03:41:33 | pinkutank | but you will need to reupload anyway? |
| 03:41:38 | pinkutank | for others |
| 03:41:41 | lamed | rather simple acctually. just put at the end of english.lang the two new strings. |
| 03:41:56 | lamed | yeah but i have to figure out why did it happend... |
| 03:42:30 | pinkutank | ok I'll look into it |
| 03:43:25 | lamed | do you have the error message? |
| 03:43:42 | lamed | nm |
| 03:44:49 | Membrillo | sorry to be off topic here, but if I bricked my h300, and buying a wiggler is cheaper, how difficult is it to connect the wiggler and reflash with that |
| 03:44:49 | pinkutank | i think its because |
| 03:45:09 | pinkutank | i think it because of the browse themes seciton |
| 03:45:46 | lamed | membrillo, only two people are awak here, you are not off topic... and you have to ask linus on that. |
| 03:46:00 | pinkutank | it doesnt have an id and a desc |
| 03:46:07 | pinkutank | you need an id for the browse themes |
| 03:46:11 | pinkutank | oh i think I know why |
| 03:46:19 | pinkutank | you built this on bleeding edge right? |
| 03:46:51 | pinkutank | I'm trying it on 18th of November |
| 03:48:17 | lamed | that might be it. i think there's more to that so i'm rebuilding the patch |
| 03:48:48 | pinkutank | i removed the browse themes and building atm |
| 03:48:50 | pinkutank | it should work |
| 03:49:02 | pinkutank | the browse themes is not built into todays ubild yet |
| 03:49:11 | pinkutank | so its an alien menu for it |
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| 03:52:46 | lamed | listen, deprecate items do not come in the way as well. |
| 03:54:26 | lamed | i've uploaded an other file. you might want to try it with the bleeding edge build. |
| 03:55:08 | pinkutank | ok , do youre saying it wouldnt work with todays even if i manually do the eng lang |
| 03:56:26 | lamed | no, it will easily work either way!. just cut and paste the two new language items and it should work, as long as there wasn't any other rejected segments. |
| 03:57:26 | pinkutank | yes it doesnt |
| 03:57:29 | pinkutank | let build bleedin |
| 03:59:58 | lamed | dont use the second patch |
| 04:00 |
| 04:01:23 | lamed | it's not clean. sorry. |
| 04:01:33 | pinkutank | ::) |
| 04:01:40 | pinkutank | no gurries |
| 04:02:01 | pinkutank | where is the menu to control this, I cuilt one but the scrolling menu didnt show |
| 04:02:15 | pinkutank | . btw i forgot where to get the bleeidng edge source |
| 04:02:38 | lamed | b. |
| 04:02:42 | lamed | http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml |
| 04:02:48 | lamed | and a. |
| 04:02:59 | lamed | under general settings |
| 04:03:06 | lamed | display |
| 04:03:11 | lamed | scrolling |
| 04:03:28 | lamed | screen scrolls out of view / screen scroll step size |
| 04:03:41 | lamed | pinkutank, where you from |
| 04:03:45 | pinkutank | i dont have those options under scrolling |
| 04:03:51 | pinkutank | Turkey, you? |
| 04:04:27 | lamed | israel |
| 04:04:39 | lamed | cool |
| 04:04:49 | pinkutank | :) |
| 04:04:53 | pinkutank | its 5 am ther etoo i guess |
| 04:05:56 | lamed | of course... wonders if there are any more maniacs like us out there |
| 04:06:50 | pinkutank | guess not |
| 04:06:55 | pinkutank | as no ones answerin |
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| 04:07:41 | Membrillo | Im in Australia and its 2pm |
| 04:08:55 | lamed | that's pretty normal. |
| 04:09:05 | pinkutank | I sleep 3 am daily |
| 04:09:18 | pinkutank | and wake up at 6:30 for school |
| 04:09:21 | lamed | pink, no luck yet? i'm up on installing a fresh copy from the net |
| 04:09:30 | pinkutank | currently building |
| 04:10:17 | pinkutank | makes are taking alot longer since ipods came along |
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| 04:11:57 | mofoGX | hello |
| 04:12:09 | pinkutank | lol if it takes this long on a overclocked atlhong, it will take forever on a p3 400 |
| 04:12:11 | pinkutank | hello |
| 04:12:22 | mofoGX | does anybody have pictures of the H320 lcd working? |
| 04:13:11 | lamed | 've seen some somewhere... you can search the irc log for them but i guess there might be an easier way. |
| 04:13:22 | lamed | couldn't you just believe it's working..? |
| 04:13:34 | pinkutank | .) |
| 04:13:39 | linuxstb_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/IriverPort/h300_lcd.jpg |
| 04:13:44 | lamed | pinkutank, i'm running a p3 800 mhz... so not much better... |
| 04:13:55 | XavierGr | Membrillo: How did you bricked your H300? |
| 04:14:02 | pinkutank | no no thats photoshop :P |
| 04:14:07 | lamed | hey, linuxstb_ is here... |
| 04:14:13 | pinkutank | and xavier |
| 04:14:17 | pinkutank | you guys are scary |
| 04:14:25 | pinkutank | lurking in the shadows and watching |
| 04:14:25 | linuxstb_ | lamed: Only just - it's very late. |
| 04:14:40 | XavierGr | :) |
| 04:15:11 | lamed | well here it's 5 am. what's your excuse? |
| 04:15:27 | XavierGr | it's 5am here too |
| 04:16:01 | XavierGr | it's saturday tomorrow :D |
| 04:16:10 | linuxstb_ | I've got nothing to complain about then, it's only 3.15am |
| 04:16:33 | lamed | forgot to build tools :/ |
| 04:16:42 | XavierGr | generally I have a very problematic schedule |
| 04:16:53 | lamed | xaviergrL amazing. it's like that all over the world. |
| 04:17:14 | lamed | :D |
| 04:17:19 | XavierGr | sleep at 6.00 am and get up at 5.00 pm then work |
| 04:17:22 | XavierGr | or college |
| 04:17:32 | lamed | so go on |
| 04:17:57 | lamed | .and |
| 04:18:11 | lamed | try this |
| 04:18:17 | lamed | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1360892&group_id=44306&atid=439120 |
| 04:18:36 | XavierGr | seems interesting |
| 04:18:49 | lamed | ur quick! |
| 04:19:03 | pinkutank | congrats lamed it works |
| 04:19:25 | lamed | what do you think?what do you think?what do you think?what do you think?what do you think?what do you think? |
| 04:19:42 | pinkutank | its nice its nice its nice its nice its nice its bery nice |
| 04:19:48 | pinkutank | :) |
| 04:19:58 | lamed | :DDDD |
| 04:20:09 | lamed | nahhh... your just saying that..... |
| 04:20:24 | pinkutank | dont pull it :) |
| 04:20:33 | pinkutank | i dont read much, so im not the most requesting user out there |
| 04:20:42 | pinkutank | but its a really nice addition |
| 04:20:56 | pinkutank | especially when you dont want to wait for the damn scroll |
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| 04:21:31 | | Join smeagol1 [0] (n=smeagol@Barabise.ac.uva.nl) |
| 04:21:35 | smeagol1 | hello all |
| 04:21:44 | FingerSoup | hi |
| 04:21:46 | pinkutank | ermm |
| 04:21:47 | smeagol1 | I have a problem with my Archos |
| 04:21:52 | smeagol1 | HD died |
| 04:21:57 | lamed | yesss!! it's much faster and you can stop to read!... |
| 04:22:09 | pinkutank | bleeding edge is acting funky |
| 04:22:14 | pinkutank | try loading a custom wps |
| 04:22:47 | lamed | what happend? |
| 04:22:52 | lamed | freeze? |
| 04:22:59 | pinkutank | no |
| 04:23:04 | pinkutank | wps screen |
| 04:23:04 | pinkutank | is |
| 04:23:09 | pinkutank | mumbo jumboeed |
| 04:23:21 | pinkutank | artists repeating all over the scrren and such |
| 04:23:26 | pinkutank | let me see if its oyur patch |
| 04:23:29 | FingerSoup | Question re: UI Sim/H120/X11/cygwin - Is there a problem with playback, or is it just my system? |
| 04:23:34 | lamed | hope it's not my fault. |
| 04:24:10 | lamed | linuxstb, does sounds always builds nowdays, or you have to tell it to build? |
| 04:24:55 | lamed | pink, for me it's the other way around, up until this trial wps was always looking bad for me |
| 04:25:02 | FingerSoup | I should mention, I get 1/2 secs of sound, then it goes kaput... if I wait long enough UISim crashes |
| 04:25:13 | pinkutank | trial wps? |
| 04:25:21 | pinkutank | I'm trying my own wps in development |
| 04:26:03 | pinkutank | gotta pee |
| 04:26:11 | lamed | until this trail (comma) blah blah blah |
| 04:26:30 | lamed | trial ... |
| 04:27:32 | lamed | XavierGr? |
| 04:29:48 | smeagol1 | is there any1 that can help me |
| 04:29:57 | pinkutank | how |
| 04:30:05 | pinkutank | you said hd died |
| 04:30:10 | smeagol1 | well |
| 04:30:21 | smeagol1 | i took it out of my archos recorder |
| 04:30:27 | Membrillo | Ciao |
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| 04:30:30 | smeagol1 | and it appears to be working |
| 04:30:42 | smeagol1 | I can read it on my computer |
| 04:30:51 | smeagol1 | using a 2,5" drive |
| 04:30:52 | pinkutank | did you scandsk it |
| 04:30:58 | smeagol1 | nope will do now |
| 04:30:58 | mofoGX | the h320 rockbox is a thing of beauty |
| 04:31:19 | mofoGX | i so want to buy a h320 now |
| 04:31:31 | mofoGX | i have made my decisionm |
| 04:32:17 | FingerSoup | is it woking 100% now, or did Linus just get graphical output? |
| 04:32:21 | DMJC | heh |
| 04:32:33 | mofoGX | probably just graphical outpur |
| 04:32:34 | pinkutank | graph oout |
| 04:32:47 | mofoGX | but that little bit shows a lot of promise |
| 04:33:08 | mofoGX | it was very clean, simple looking |
| 04:33:16 | mofoGX | pretty colors |
| 04:33:17 | FingerSoup | True... As do the reports of IPod Rockbox... |
| 04:33:34 | smeagol1 | scandisk is running, but if that does not give problems |
| 04:33:38 | smeagol1 | what then |
| 04:33:47 | mofoGX | i thought that an iPod rockbox cannot happen |
| 04:33:54 | FingerSoup | Smeagol1 - Check your connections |
| 04:34:15 | mofoGX | because of the IP governing the portalplayer chips |
| 04:34:19 | smeagol1 | i used the AC only and still if gives a problem |
| 04:34:28 | FingerSoup | check the rockbox webpage. IPod Nano, etc... |
| 04:34:41 | pinkutank | and you were wrong |
| 04:34:53 | pinkutank | anything that linux run on, rb can run on too :) |
| 04:35:18 | DMJC | cool.. when's the X86 port coming? |
| 04:35:32 | DMJC | can't wait to boot into rockbox and play off my audigy2 |
| 04:35:33 | FingerSoup | heh..... It's here. It's the UISimulator |
| 04:35:38 | mofoGX | i gess i was |
| 04:35:50 | pinkutank | audigy 2 is no good |
| 04:35:51 | mofoGX | but you didnt have to be all in my face about it |
| 04:36:07 | FingerSoup | unfortunately, I can't get sound to work in it |
| 04:36:07 | pinkutank | its like ipod :) |
| 04:36:19 | DMJC | heh |
| 04:37:14 | mofoGX | how about getting rockbox to run on ipod shuffle, lol |
| 04:38:08 | pinkutank | ... |
| 04:38:15 | pinkutank | im off |
| 04:38:21 | FingerSoup | mofoGX - Someone must have seriously asked that question. It's on the page as well. Alas, the shufffle will NOT be supported. I'm heartbroken... :P |
| 04:38:22 | pinkutank | btw |
| 04:38:27 | pinkutank | it wasnt your fault |
| 04:38:34 | pinkutank | bleeding edge kill wpss |
| 04:38:52 | smeagol1 | FingerSoup: which connections |
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| 04:39:14 | DMJC | geez |
| 04:39:16 | mofoGX | but i think that the h320 rb shows promise |
| 04:39:21 | DMJC | i've made about $360 this week |
| 04:39:30 | DMJC | looks like I'll be getting my 4400 soon |
| 04:39:53 | mofoGX | imagine album art support, mpc, ogg, mp3 |
| 04:40:34 | mofoGX | probably a decent meta db |
| 04:40:46 | FingerSoup | smeagol1 - any connection between your archos and your HD. Moth circuit-board side, and HD side... |
| 04:40:54 | FingerSoup | err both |
| 04:41:32 | FingerSoup | Make sure your wires aren't chewed either... |
| 04:42:04 | FingerSoup | How'd your HD stop working anyways? |
| 04:42:20 | smeagol1 | i do not know |
| 04:42:32 | FingerSoup | did you drop it? or did it just randomly stop? |
| 04:42:36 | smeagol1 | if i turn on the unit it stops after 1 second |
| 04:42:39 | FingerSoup | After a charge? |
| 04:42:46 | smeagol1 | yes I charged it |
| 04:42:53 | FingerSoup | was it raining? |
| 04:42:58 | smeagol1 | the hd is just fine |
| 04:43:09 | smeagol1 | no it was not raining |
| 04:43:34 | FingerSoup | Is your power clean? have you ever opened your archos before? |
| 04:43:46 | smeagol1 | nope i opened it now |
| 04:43:57 | FingerSoup | do you have the ability to test another HD? |
| 04:43:58 | smeagol1 | b/c i thought the hd was dead |
| 04:44:07 | FingerSoup | in the Archos that is... |
| 04:44:10 | smeagol1 | yes I can test several other hds |
| 04:44:37 | smeagol1 | only they are bigger disks |
| 04:44:46 | smeagol1 | i do not have a 20 gb disk |
| 04:44:51 | smeagol1 | only 60 gb disks |
| 04:44:52 | FingerSoup | try another FAT32 formatted drive in the Archos. if it sees it, then it may be a dead controller, not a dead HD... |
| 04:45:10 | smeagol1 | dead controller is bad news |
| 04:45:46 | FingerSoup | Yes. But I don't know if the Archos can run a larger HD....I'm an IRiver user... |
| 04:46:47 | smeagol1 | if i do not put a hd in the unit it does give an error about a missing drive, it does not give that error when there is a drive hooked on to the unit |
| 04:47:33 | FingerSoup | ok, but when you have a HD connected, can you read it? |
| 04:47:40 | smeagol1 | nope |
| 04:47:45 | smeagol1 | unit freezes |
| 04:48:12 | smeagol1 | i have no batteries connected |
| 04:48:20 | smeagol1 | as soon as I connect the AC |
| 04:48:31 | smeagol1 | it says charging batteries |
| 04:48:38 | smeagol1 | if I hit the on buttor |
| 04:48:43 | smeagol1 | it freezes |
| 04:49:11 | FingerSoup | hrm. dunno. Out of options. have you checked the circuit board for burned traces/chips? sounds like something is fried, if it is mis-diagnosing batteries... |
| 04:49:12 | smeagol1 | I hear a 'ticking' sound |
| 04:49:31 | smeagol1 | hard drive is trying to spin? |
| 04:49:42 | FingerSoup | that's probably your HD thrashing it's heads. not good for the HD. |
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| 04:50:26 | smeagol1 | so I am out of options |
| 04:50:26 | FingerSoup | if your controller/BIOS is fried, then it may be a crossed signal giving bad commands to your HD. |
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| 04:50:40 | smeagol1 | unit is dead and I should move on |
| 04:51:00 | FingerSoup | I am out of options. Someone else may be able to help you. Just look for traces of physical damage inside the unit... |
| 04:51:08 | lamed | nighty (morning) all! |
| 04:51:22 | smeagol1 | thank you anyways |
| 04:51:29 | FingerSoup | you may have to. I am no expert, only giving basic troubleshooting options... |
| 04:51:44 | FingerSoup | np. |
| 04:52:24 | lamed | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1360892&group_id=44306&atid=439120 |
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| 04:55:20 | FingerSoup | Can anyone tell me if MP3 Playback on the UISimulator for H120 in Cygwin works or not? |
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| 05:02:43 | smeagol1 | how do I search the rockboxx mailing list |
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| 06:31:31 | Coldtoast | hey. so is the h300 bootloader ready to go? |
| 06:51:03 | mofoGX | how is the progress on the iPod rockbox? |
| 06:51:30 | cannard | bah, one thing at a time! |
| 06:51:34 | cannard | h300 first :P |
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| 07:06:17 | mofoGX | ok...ok.. |
| 07:06:34 | mofoGX | but do you know where i can obtain a fresh h300? |
| 07:07:14 | cannard | they still sell alot here in aus |
| 07:07:29 | cannard | oh dun worry bout my previous comments |
| 07:07:43 | cannard | i have no idea when any version is getting done |
| 07:08:00 | cannard | but a huge thanks to the rockbkx guys for doing what they do |
| 07:08:36 | Coldtoast | just waitin gfor a bootloader for the h300. I see h300 support has been added to fwpatcher |
| 07:08:55 | Coldtoast | ever see any h1x0's for sale where you are cannard? |
| 07:09:34 | cannard | nah, the last h1x0 i saw was mine when i took it back to get it fixed and those bastards gave me a h300! |
| 07:09:59 | Coldtoast | there's one here. in Stallards |
| 07:10:09 | cannard | wheres stallards? |
| 07:10:11 | Coldtoast | 740 smackers tho |
| 07:10:35 | Coldtoast | Stallards Camera House |
| 07:10:57 | cannard | 740?!?! damn |
| 07:11:08 | Coldtoast | yeah. I paid $630 for mine last Nov |
| 07:11:14 | cannard | with h300 rockbox around the corner doesnt really seem worth it |
| 07:11:41 | Coldtoast | well, it depends tho. If you want optical, you'd still buy it I guess |
| 07:12:19 | cannard | hah i paid 675 for mine in june or something, then 3 weeks before the warranty expired i 'accidently' (my experiment went wrong) plugged my tunecast addapter into it |
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| 07:12:41 | cannard | and it stopped working, i bet them bastards kept it cause rockbox was about to be released! and gave me a h300 |
| 07:12:43 | Coldtoast | is that an FM tuner? |
| 07:12:47 | cannard | yeah |
| 07:12:57 | Coldtoast | well, FM transmitter |
| 07:13:04 | Coldtoast | how did that ruin it tho? |
| 07:13:27 | cannard | not adapter i meant cigarette lighter charger thing! |
| 07:13:31 | cannard | 12v |
| 07:13:32 | Coldtoast | aaah! |
| 07:13:35 | cannard | yeah :| |
| 07:13:42 | cannard | not one of my greatest moments |
| 07:13:51 | Coldtoast | why would you even THINK about doing that? heh |
| 07:14:15 | Coldtoast | you don't have blonde hair do you? |
| 07:14:21 | cannard | hahah maybe.. |
| 07:14:25 | Coldtoast | :) |
| 07:14:56 | Coldtoast | I need to contact iriver I think. Just realised I have about 2 weeks left on my warranty and the HDD has become noisy |
| 07:15:05 | cannard | i was hung over and didnt charge it for a 7 hour drive home, you'd think it would have diode voltage protection or something |
| 07:15:13 | cannard | be careful, you will get a h300 |
| 07:15:30 | Coldtoast | that'll be fine |
| 07:15:45 | cannard | you could always just buy a bigg hd for it? |
| 07:15:58 | cannard | where abouts in aus? |
| 07:15:58 | Coldtoast | well, even tho the h300 is one of the uglier DAPs |
| 07:16:03 | Coldtoast | Tas |
| 07:16:20 | cannard | ahh ok |
| 07:16:25 | Coldtoast | I'm not paying $200+ for a new HDD if I can get something done under warranty |
| 07:16:40 | cannard | hmm does iriver look after your warranty? or c.r.kennedy? |
| 07:16:52 | Coldtoast | c.r.kennedy I'm pretty sure |
| 07:18:01 | cannard | except for keeping my h140 the guy i dealt with there was pretty good, even marked urgent on the repair, though it prolly meant nothing |
| 07:18:30 | Coldtoast | did you email or phone them? |
| 07:18:46 | cannard | i phoned them, then i drove down there and said, oi fix this! |
| 07:19:19 | Coldtoast | it'll be a bit of a pain tosend mine. have to change the battery back to the original |
| 07:19:28 | cannard | ahh ok |
| 07:19:39 | cannard | what battery did you change it too? |
| 07:19:47 | Coldtoast | and I dunno if a noisy HDD would even be covered |
| 07:19:56 | Coldtoast | 2200mAH one |
| 07:20:43 | cannard | you could always brick it so it doesnt start up and then it wouldnt matter? |
| 07:20:54 | Coldtoast | thankfully, when you dismantly the player it doesn't break any stickers or anything |
| 07:21:16 | Coldtoast | well, I might want to put the battery in teh replacement tho |
| 07:21:35 | cannard | how much did the battery cost? |
| 07:21:41 | Coldtoast | $26 |
| 07:21:44 | Coldtoast | but even so |
| 07:21:57 | cannard | im interested in doing something similar |
| 07:22:07 | Coldtoast | you'd NEVER regret it |
| 07:22:12 | Coldtoast | it's great |
| 07:22:22 | Coldtoast | I rarely ever seem to have to charge it |
| 07:22:34 | cannard | hmm though i dont use my h300 now, since im always at the computer |
| 07:22:52 | cannard | though rockbox could change that! |
| 07:23:37 | Coldtoast | I wear mine to the gym, while iI train and then for the 40min walk home from the gym |
| 07:24:02 | Coldtoast | I pretty much never leave the house without mine |
| 07:24:40 | Coldtoast | surely iriver would just replace the HDD in mine tho. it's just noisy |
| 07:24:46 | cannard | i hope so |
| 07:24:54 | Coldtoast | there's nothing wrong with the player at all |
| 07:26:38 | Coldtoast | ever heard of Thirsty Merc? |
| 07:26:50 | cannard | heard of them, but i dont think ive heard them |
| 07:27:09 | Coldtoast | we had them play last night at work. Supported by Dead Abigails |
| 07:27:16 | cannard | prolly on the radio |
| 07:27:20 | Coldtoast | they were pretty good |
| 07:27:22 | cannard | where you work? |
| 07:27:26 | Coldtoast | nightclub |
| 07:27:52 | Coldtoast | we have Steve Earle (remember him?) Monday week |
| 07:28:01 | Coldtoast | $57 for a ticket tho |
| 07:28:12 | cannard | steve earle? |
| 07:28:36 | Coldtoast | if you ever ask anybody what Steve Earl songs they've heard, the only one anybody can ever remember is Copperhead Road |
| 07:28:48 | Coldtoast | maybe you're too young? |
| 07:29:04 | cannard | haha i hope so! or im missing out on a lot :p |
| 07:29:38 | Coldtoast | I'm probably just old enough to have heard the last BIG song he had |
| 07:29:50 | Coldtoast | maybe before Copperhead Road, I was too young to take any notice |
| 07:30:00 | cannard | how old are you? |
| 07:30:04 | Coldtoast | 32 |
| 07:30:56 | cannard | ahh fair enough |
| 07:31:12 | Coldtoast | GOD this vid I'm watching is great |
| 07:31:19 | Coldtoast | ever heard of Toni Lloret? |
| 07:31:35 | cannard | err nope |
| 07:31:45 | cannard | what has she starred in? or sung? |
| 07:31:56 | Coldtoast | he's a guitarist |
| 07:32:10 | Coldtoast | you've heard of Steve Vai tho? |
| 07:32:38 | cannard | haha much has happened in the 6 years seperating us! |
| 07:32:39 | Coldtoast | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7920824004094969155&q=steve+vai is Toni Lloret playing a Steve Vai song |
| 07:35:23 | cannard | ahhh crap |
| 07:35:32 | cannard | damn my 64kbs bandwidth cap! |
| 07:35:38 | Coldtoast | awwwww |
| 07:36:09 | cannard | 6 hours togo to the next billing month! |
| 07:36:15 | cannard | so i'll watch it then |
| 07:36:23 | Coldtoast | ok |
| 07:36:40 | cannard | its been a long month... |
| 07:36:40 | Coldtoast | man. it's great to have WPS for the remote, btw |
| 07:36:51 | cannard | you have rockbox? |
| 07:36:54 | cannard | how is it? |
| 07:36:58 | Coldtoast | yeah. I have a h140 |
| 07:37:17 | Coldtoast | well, I've not used the iriver firmware for ages |
| 07:37:41 | cannard | i never got a chance to try it |
| 07:37:57 | Coldtoast | there's pretty much only one thing the iriver fw has tht makes it better |
| 07:38:10 | Coldtoast | not overall, just better in ona area |
| 07:38:26 | Coldtoast | and that's the SRS stuff |
| 07:38:29 | cannard | ahh ok |
| 07:38:46 | cannard | hmm thats really a love it or hate it setting |
| 07:39:26 | Coldtoast | depends on the person tho. some ppl hate it. But I was using SRS to fatten the sound up. it also seems to open the sound up |
| 07:39:31 | Coldtoast | with my earphones |
| 07:39:36 | Coldtoast | definitely |
| 07:40:03 | Coldtoast | other than that tho, there's LITERALLY not a thing that's better about the iriver firmware |
| 07:40:32 | cannard | cool, i cant wait |
| 07:40:50 | Coldtoast | you'll really love it |
| 07:41:19 | Coldtoast | and the fact you can create your own WPS ices the cake |
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| 07:44:22 | cannard | its going to be interesting indeed |
| 07:44:30 | Coldtoast | yep |
| 07:47:02 | cannard | where did you get the battery from? |
| 07:47:09 | Coldtoast | ebay |
| 07:47:14 | Coldtoast | it's an ipod battery |
| 07:47:56 | Coldtoast | I know how easy it is to install in a h140 but I gather it's abit trickier to dismantle a h300 |
| 07:48:24 | Coldtoast | so it'd be a good idea to research that I think |
| 07:48:49 | cannard | heh i think so |
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| 07:48:56 | cannard | theres no warranty on this one i think |
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| 08:51:50 | amiconn | morning |
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| 09:09:11 | FingerSoup | Hey all. Any devs here? |
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| 09:19:12 | ^BeN^ | mmmm |
| 09:19:21 | ^BeN^ | what is the fwpatcher utility? |
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| 09:52:04 | amiconn | Slasheri: I'm not sure whether your ticking reduction method is a good idea. It costs considerably more CPU time, so much that it adds the same ugly lag when scrolling long lists that before happened in radio mode only |
| 09:52:20 | amiconn | ...and was reduced by my asm-optimised transfer |
| 09:54:05 | amiconn | The problem is most likely caused by bad shielding within the remote and/or the cable, and a proper fix would be to get a ticking remote replaced by iriver |
| 09:54:37 | amiconn | I also thought about an emi-reduced transfer method, but with a different approach |
| 09:55:22 | amiconn | ...using variable timing between 2 bit transitions, and never changing more than one bit at a time in the same direction |
| 09:56:02 | amiconn | Unfortunately I can't really test; my remote doesn't tick... |
| 09:56:05 | Slasheri | amiconn: that is why i added it as an option.. |
| 09:56:32 | Slasheri | but it compensates with the cpu speed and shouldn't add considerably ui lag |
| 09:56:45 | amiconn | It does, I tried |
| 09:56:49 | Slasheri | oh :/ |
| 09:57:00 | Slasheri | weird.. i will try more testing soon |
| 09:57:12 | amiconn | Scroll through a lot directory listing, then stop |
| 09:57:24 | amiconn | It keeps scrolling several lines further |
| 09:58:51 | amiconn | Oh, and btw, you broke all iriver sims... |
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| 10:00:02 | Slasheri | :( i fix that soon, eating something first -> |
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| 10:25:07 | webguest45 | hello guys ! |
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| 10:26:16 | webguest45 | i just read on misticriver that you have the bootloader ready, but you cant listen to music on it ? what can you do with the bootloader right now? is it avaible for download? |
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| 10:28:37 | ashridah | whoever said it was ready jumped the gun, i daresay |
| 10:29:42 | webguest45 | haha |
| 10:31:35 | webguest45 | but what is the H3xx - boot in the daily builds? |
| 10:32:10 | amiconn | It's a h3xx bootloader build |
| 10:32:26 | ashridah | webguest45: it's the bootloader build. even tho it builds, it's not in the slightest garunteed to patch or work |
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| 10:32:36 | ashridah | it's just whether or not it compiles without warnings or errors |
| 10:32:41 | amiconn | The fact that it builds w/o warning does only mean that, it doesn't mean that it will actually work |
| 10:32:49 | ashridah | checking out a non-sanctioned release of the bootloader is not a good idea |
| 10:33:32 | webguest45 | but do you know when we will get the pre-realese version of rockbox ?:D |
| 10:33:55 | amiconn | Check the channel topixc |
| 10:35:14 | webguest45 | sorry but im a n00b, wher can i check that ?:S |
| 10:35:33 | eli_sherer | no pre-release... |
| 10:36:07 | eli_sherer | i dont know what about you but i wont upload a pre-release to my iriver... |
| 10:36:24 | webguest45 | so there will be no pre-realese like the h1xx? we have to wait until its finished ? |
| 10:37:14 | ashridah | webguest45: you have to wait until it's functional enough. when a working bootloader can be constructed that's reasonably expected not to brick a player, a build will be uploaded to the wiki by Linus |
| 10:37:23 | eli_sherer | thats because linus have a US version and not an international so it will be better to wait until it be checked on all of the version with md5 sum and then we try it... |
| 10:37:37 | webguest45 | with pre-realese i mean like that one that we have on the h1xx now:D |
| 10:37:49 | ashridah | yeah, waiting for a few sacrificial lambs to test on both the us and international versions would be wise |
| 10:38:38 | webguest45 | i hope it wont take long ! i cant wait !! |
| 10:38:55 | webguest45 | and i see that linus is working very hard on this :D |
| 10:39:19 | ashridah | i daresay http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot would be the page to watch, along with http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverStatus |
| 10:39:20 | eli_sherer | if you really want to see it in action...make the win32-sim and run the h300 rom... |
| 10:40:01 | amiconn | The sim doesn't run a rom, it's not an emulator |
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| 10:40:22 | eli_sherer | i meant the boot sorry |
| 10:40:39 | amiconn | Same thing |
| 10:41:20 | amiconn | The simulator is just rockbox built natively for unix/x11 or windows, showing the rockbox ui and allowing higher-level development |
| 10:41:33 | ashridah | eli_sherer: the simulator is just an x86 compiled version of the firmware, with some glue to hook it up to a virtual LCD and keyboard etc |
| 10:41:36 | ashridah | it's not an interpreter |
| 10:41:56 | ashridah | (well, x86 on x86 platforms, it works on ppc too iirc) |
| 10:42:43 | webguest45 | but the only thing i have to download is the h300 win installer ? or do i have to downbload rockbox 2.5 installer ? |
| 10:43:58 | amiconn | The win installer is for installing rockbox on target, and has nothing to do with the sims |
| 10:44:22 | amiconn | However, it doesn't install any of the iriver targets yet, only archos |
| 10:44:27 | webguest45 | but where to find the sims? |
| 10:44:38 | amiconn | ...and the official build still isn't repaired :( |
| 10:45:02 | amiconn | The sims aren't available for download; you have to build them from the source |
| 10:45:24 | petur | got a problem building: LD rockbox.elf: build/apps/lang.o: file not recognized: File format not recognized - any ideas? |
| 10:45:27 | webguest45 | okee, tnx for your support:D |
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| 10:52:40 | ashridah | petur: what target are you building for, compiler version, etc |
| 10:53:25 | petur | crosscompiler 4.0.2, target was H3x0 |
| 10:55:35 | * | petur is sorry for being new to this way of building - spoiled by IDE development |
| 10:55:52 | ashridah | petur: you know the H3x0 isn't a viable target yet, right? |
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| 10:56:14 | petur | you mean it doesn't build yet? |
| 10:56:21 | ashridah | i mean it doesn't RUN yet |
| 10:57:37 | petur | yes... I want to join development as I recently got a H340 and like to mess around with HW ;) |
| 10:57:47 | ashridah | aah. |
| 10:57:57 | ashridah | well, waiting for a known working bootloader is a wise idea |
| 10:58:08 | ashridah | if the simulator wasn't broken atm (in cvs HEAD anyway), i'd suggest that. |
| 10:58:11 | * | ashridah looks at Slasheri |
| 10:58:40 | petur | yeah, but I want to get up to speed with this way of building by the time it's available... |
| 10:59:20 | ashridah | fair enough |
| 10:59:30 | ashridah | well. the H3x0 build works here. |
| 10:59:38 | ashridah | which binutils did you use? |
| 10:59:50 | mofoGX | any screenshots? |
| 10:59:57 | petur | followed the wiki guidelines |
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| 11:00:39 | ashridah | mofoGX: of? |
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| 11:02:49 | amiconn | Slasheri: It's just cosmetic, but the config-<model>.h files are divided in two sections, with the general #defines at the top and the #ifndef SIMULATOR ones further down. No need to introduce additional #ifndef SIMULATOR |
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| 11:03:41 | Slasheri | amiconn: Oh, i didn't notice that. Fixing :) |
| 11:04:05 | ashridah | petur: well, i'm using gcc 4.0.2, and binutils 2.15.94 or so and it's working here. well. building here |
| 11:05:43 | amiconn | gcc 4.0.x isn't recommended for any target so far |
| 11:06:21 | petur | I have binutils 2.16 as explained in the wiki. Will rebuild myself a 3.4.4 crosscompiler |
| 11:06:22 | ashridah | petur: what does 'file' say that lang.o file is? |
| 11:07:52 | petur | sorry to be an idiot: what's 'file' |
| 11:09:22 | ashridah | petur: i probably should have asked first. what platform are you compiling on? cygwin? linux? mac? |
| 11:09:55 | petur | cygwin on W2K |
| 11:10:49 | ashridah | aah |
| 11:11:21 | ashridah | well, cygwin might have come with a utility called 'file' |
| 11:11:34 | petur | none found :( |
| 11:11:37 | ashridah | if you run it against a file, it attempts to determine stuff about it, ie, the data type, etc |
| 11:11:39 | ashridah | ah well. |
| 11:12:43 | ashridah | why yes, i can take a look at it, thanks for asking |
| 11:12:47 | * | ashridah looks at petur |
| 11:13:07 | petur | being lazy - sorry |
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| 11:13:44 | ashridah | okay |
| 11:13:47 | ashridah | there's something wrong here |
| 11:13:49 | ashridah | $ file lang.o |
| 11:13:49 | ashridah | lang.o: 80386 COFF executable not stripped - version 30821 |
| 11:13:57 | ashridah | that file hasn't been built by a cross compiler |
| 11:14:10 | petur | ok |
| 11:14:24 | ashridah | $ file apps/lang.o |
| 11:14:24 | ashridah | apps/lang.o: ELF 32-bit MSB relocatable, Motorola 68020, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped |
| 11:14:30 | ashridah | for example is from my H3x0 build |
| 11:14:51 | amiconn | ashridah, petur: 'file' is available for cygiwn, just not installed by default |
| 11:15:09 | petur | will have a look what's going wrong |
| 11:15:14 | ashridah | try typing 'm68k-elf-gcc −−version' and make sure that exists. |
| 11:15:38 | ashridah | the other thing to check is that you selected a 'normal' H3x0 build |
| 11:16:29 | petur | got the correct compiler alright, will remove all output and rebuild |
| 11:23:37 | * | petur shouldn't have tried to build the sim and the target in the same build directory |
| 11:25:05 | ashridah | rofl, that would help ;) |
| 11:25:22 | ashridah | but yeah, keep them separate, otherwise the build system won't realise some of the files need to be rebuilt |
| 11:26:17 | petur | found out the hard way.. ah well, learning all the time... |
| 11:27:02 | petur | ashridah: thanks a lot for helping! |
| 11:27:14 | ashridah | np |
| 11:28:24 | amiconn | linuxstb_: Do you have a front scan of your ipod color and or a nano? |
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| 11:43:11 | LinusN | amiconn: regarding the ticking remote, iriver did offer replacements, but they replaced the player, not the remote |
| 11:43:41 | LinusN | so it is the player that is broken, and not the remote |
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| 11:47:00 | muesli_- | g'mornin |
| 11:47:37 | Lear | Ah, so that's the ticking the fix is about... |
| 11:48:36 | Lear | Btw, the new WPS "widgets" don't work too well with logf builds, but I'm not quite sure which fix (of two simple ones) is the best... |
| 11:49:26 | amiconn | Lear: Iiuc TiMiD wants to work on the wps widget code anyway |
| 11:49:48 | Lear | "liuc"? |
| 11:50:22 | amiconn | Iirc of course |
| 11:50:30 | Lear | But it is a simple fix really, just changing a couple of preprocessor statements... |
| 11:50:31 | amiconn | Iiuc == if I understand correctly |
| 11:51:02 | Lear | Ah, read that as "LIUC"... :) |
| 11:51:38 | amiconn | Bad font... |
| 11:52:17 | Lear | Not unusual problem with sans-serifs... |
| 11:53:23 | amiconn | I'm using a sans-serif font, but the capital I still has small serifs |
| 11:53:41 | amiconn | Verdana |
| 11:56:35 | Lear | Hm.. A bit wide for my taste... |
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| 12:03:26 | petur | dows the windows sim need extra stuff in the /archos folder? |
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| 12:04:51 | muesli_- | amiconn whats zwischenablage in english? |
| 12:05:00 | amiconn | clipboard |
| 12:05:40 | muesli_- | cheers :D |
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| 12:38:51 | pinkutank | anyone familiar with the partition table of h120? |
| 12:39:11 | pinkutank | I was going to repartition it do get rid of some bad sectors |
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| 12:39:18 | pinkutank | what is the ideal cluster size |
| 12:43:20 | pinkutank | hoo hoo |
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| 12:46:10 | LinusN | pinkutank: use large clusters |
| 12:46:46 | LinusN | what is the issue with the "signed char police"? |
| 12:48:11 | LinusN | do we have a problem with chars in our current targets? |
| 12:50:53 | LinusN | i suspect that the ARM platform has unsigned chars as default |
| 12:51:00 | amiconn | yes |
| 12:51:10 | LinusN | then i suggest we use -fsigned-char instead of policing the code |
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| 12:53:06 | amiconn | LinusN: Seems you scared linuxstb_ ... |
| 12:53:16 | LinusN | hehe |
| 12:53:59 | linuxstb_ | LinusN: Yes, ARM chars are unsigned by default. |
| 12:54:18 | LinusN | then i suggest we use -fsigned-char instead of policing the code |
| 12:54:24 | pinkutank | is there anyway to create bitmap fonts from suitable fonts |
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| 12:55:29 | LinusN | pinkutank: http://crl.nmsu.edu/~mleisher/ttf2bdf.html |
| 12:56:05 | LinusN | then you use the convbdf tool to create the rockbox font |
| 12:56:37 | LinusN | afk |
| 12:57:38 | linuxstb_ | LinusN: I don't think we need to do that - I should have fixed all the problems related to unsigned chars now. I also think it's cleaner to say "signed char" when that is what you need. |
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| 13:00:05 | amiconn | LinusN: So it's the iriver itself that causes the ticking remote... I wonder what iriver did wrong there. Either bad shielding, or connected analog & digital ground, methinks |
| 13:00:13 | amiconn | Do you have such a h1x0? |
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| 13:00:55 | pinkutank | i dont |
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| 13:02:27 | Lear | iirc, the ticking problem was not that common... |
| 13:02:34 | Slasheri | linuxstb: Hmm, that might cause problems because I have for example supposed chars, ints etc. will be always signed |
| 13:02:55 | amiconn | int and long are always signed |
| 13:03:09 | amiconn | char can be signed or unsigned depending on the platform |
| 13:03:13 | Slasheri | And i think almost everybody else have supposed that way when coding |
| 13:03:17 | Slasheri | ah, good |
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| 13:04:15 | amiconn | In some places where it is important, I already used 'signed char' explicitly |
| 13:04:23 | amiconn | (nothing relevant for ipod though) |
| 13:04:31 | LinusN | iirc, signed chars are more common |
| 13:04:50 | amiconn | yes |
| 13:05:05 | LinusN | probably because x86 is so common |
| 13:05:17 | LinusN | iirc powerpc has unsigned chars as well |
| 13:06:22 | LinusN | well, since we aim for portable code, perhaps we should do the policing... |
| 13:07:02 | * | amiconn wonders whether it's worth reporting more gcc bugs :( |
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| 13:07:55 | LinusN | amiconn: why |
| 13:07:57 | LinusN | ? |
| 13:09:32 | amiconn | Well, all comments I've got so far for the weak alias problem sound like 'your code is hackish, do it in a different way' etc |
| 13:09:55 | amiconn | Nothing like acknowledging the actual problem |
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| 13:11:23 | ep0ch| | Slasheri: Hello, I think the new buffering is a little on the buggy side - crashed my player once or twice last night. |
| 13:12:16 | Slasheri | ep0ch|: Hmm, interesting. Are you sure it's related to that? I will try to do a longer testing |
| 13:12:43 | ep0ch| | Slasheri: well it was the first build i tried in about 3 days |
| 13:12:44 | Slasheri | The buffering itself hasn't changed, only some defines how much to buffer at the first time |
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| 13:17:54 | ep0ch| | well i can't replicate now... |
| 13:19:01 | markun | linuxstb__: If ARMv4 doesn't have SETEND, then how do you specify if it's big or small endian? |
| 13:19:41 | pinkutank | if anyone has the time can someone create a code that margins scrolling text in wps' |
| 13:20:04 | linuxstb__ | markun: As preglow said yesterday, probably via a control register. There must be some way to do it. |
| 13:20:16 | linuxstb__ | It's just that there is no explicit instruction to do it. |
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| 13:39:37 | XavierGr | amiconn: Slasheri's ticking fix works great aside from the UI lag that appears when the CPU is on 45Mhz or idle. |
| 13:40:00 | amiconn | His fix doesn't influence behaviour in idle mode |
| 13:40:10 | XavierGr | But please if ou have another better fix give it a try, I will gladly make some tests for it, as my remote ticks like hell. |
| 13:40:25 | modafroman | i know i will get told to look at the topic, but, we any closer to getting h300? |
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| 13:40:37 | amiconn | Idle mode uses my asm optimised transfer, which isn't changed by his fix |
| 13:40:54 | XavierGr | Idle is 11 or 45mhz? |
| 13:40:56 | amiconn | 11 |
| 13:41:10 | XavierGr | well idle appears in radio screen no? |
| 13:41:16 | amiconn | yes |
| 13:41:25 | XavierGr | well there is a lot of lag there too. |
| 13:41:31 | amiconn | The optimised transfer lowers the lag, but doesn't manage to avoid it |
| 13:41:37 | XavierGr | but I guess that this was the kcase before the fix |
| 13:41:41 | amiconn | yepp |
| 13:41:59 | amiconn | This lag was the reason why I wrote the optimised transfer |
| 13:42:05 | XavierGr | when there is no playback there is significant lag on the filetree itself |
| 13:42:13 | amiconn | yes |
| 13:42:18 | amiconn | That's at 45 MHz |
| 13:42:23 | XavierGr | this disappears as playback starts due to the higher CPU frequencies |
| 13:42:35 | amiconn | ...and doesn't happen with tick reduction switched off |
| 13:42:51 | XavierGr | do you have a better solution for it? |
| 13:42:55 | amiconn | Playback switches between 45 MHz and 124 MHz as needed |
| 13:43:52 | amiconn | I have an idea (which will also lower the transfer speed, but not as much) |
| 13:44:17 | XavierGr | well if you have time please give it a try, and I can make the tests. |
| 13:44:28 | amiconn | I can't really test it (well I can test whether the display works ok, but not whether it avoids ticking) |
| 13:44:53 | XavierGr | do you think that this issue can be easily fixed by a hardware mod on main unit? |
| 13:48:34 | Slasheri | XavierGr: a hardware mod would fix it |
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| 13:49:02 | Slasheri | only connect two series resistors between audio hot wires and ground should do it |
| 13:49:06 | amiconn | Slasheri: Your remote does tick? |
| 13:49:09 | Slasheri | i haven't tried that yet |
| 13:49:15 | Slasheri | amiconn: yes, very loudly |
| 13:49:23 | XavierGr | well if you try it please take some pictures of it |
| 13:49:30 | XavierGr | I am very interested about it |
| 13:49:32 | Slasheri | XavierGr: ok, i will do :) |
| 13:49:43 | XavierGr | also reminds me of the other issue I have |
| 13:49:52 | XavierGr | some times the sound gets duller |
| 13:49:58 | XavierGr | like an audio connection is loose |
| 13:50:30 | XavierGr | the same problem had another guy from here, I just don't remember who. thegeek are you the person I am talking about? |
| 13:50:43 | XavierGr | I think he fixed that by resoldering some connections |
| 13:51:17 | Slasheri | XavierGr: hmm, weird. Sounds like a hardware issue too |
| 13:51:30 | XavierGr | yes it is definetelly |
| 13:51:31 | Slasheri | probably a bad soldering |
| 13:51:43 | XavierGr | it comes around when I poke the connector |
| 13:52:09 | Slasheri | you should try to resolder everything near the connector |
| 13:52:11 | XavierGr | When I opened my unit I recall that all the soldering connections were very bad. |
| 13:52:20 | Slasheri | :/ |
| 13:52:23 | whatboutbob | is the ticking an issue with the actual remotes (ie not the main unit)? if so, I've got a few remotes, but i haven't listened to all of them...might check them all out to see if i've got any duds. |
| 13:52:37 | XavierGr | All the connections were like blobs of solder |
| 13:52:45 | amiconn | It's a problem within the main unit according to LinusN |
| 13:53:10 | whatboutbob | ah. hokay. thanks amiconn/linusN. |
| 13:53:12 | XavierGr | I remember sites on soldering techniques that showed this way of soldering very bad |
| 13:54:17 | pinkutank | xavier oyu talking about 120? |
| 13:54:37 | XavierGr | h140 |
| 13:54:46 | XavierGr | or to be more accurate iHP-140 |
| 13:56:18 | * | whatboutbob jumps topics: have lots of ppl requested one button track queueing? |
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| 13:58:25 | whatboutbob | its just that i've got 2 listening methods. full albums, or start playing one track, get bored and queue up maybe 10 songs for a short commute. |
| 13:59:14 | whatboutbob | would be nice if there a one-button click to queue songs (yeah...i know...i'm lazy) |
| 13:59:33 | Maxime | whatboutbob: like in the original fw.. yeah would be great :x |
| 13:59:48 | whatboutbob | kinda like with the iriver f/w rec button...but for multiple tracks |
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| 14:00:00 | whatboutbob | (not just one) |
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| 14:01:18 | pinkutank | whats with the bleeding edghe and wpss |
| 14:01:22 | pinkutank | everytyhig looks messed |
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| 14:02:50 | Maxime | pinkutank: maybe your font has changed? |
| 14:06:21 | amiconn | Bagder: The wps build script creates an image folder even for wps'es that don't use images |
| 14:06:31 | whatboutbob | oh, and is it just me screwing up compiling causing no wps to be included in the build? make zip results in: ('no wps module present, can't do the WPS magic') |
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| 14:07:41 | linuxstb__ | whatboutbob: You need to check out the wps module from CVS. It's at the same level as apps, firmware, tools etc |
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| 14:08:31 | hshah | anyone having a problem with their wps... |
| 14:09:08 | len0x | problems with WPS? noooo :) |
| 14:09:19 | hshah | mine is duplicating the top line twice... |
| 14:09:25 | hshah | with the latest cvs build |
| 14:09:31 | hshah | see my forum pist... |
| 14:09:44 | len0x | I was sarcastic |
| 14:10:06 | hshah | so... its a known problem then? |
| 14:10:19 | whatboutbob | linuxstb_: i'm a cvs noob. i just followed the guide to compiling. cvs up -dP won't get the wps module? |
| 14:10:42 | hshah | "cvs co wps" |
| 14:10:50 | len0x | there a lot of issues popping up with new wps code (or old WPS's) |
| 14:10:51 | hshah | ^ run that without the quotes |
| 14:10:59 | whatboutbob | thanks guys |
| 14:11:17 | hshah | hmm... |
| 14:11:39 | hshah | i can't see why the top line is being duplicated on the next line though :s |
| 14:13:38 | len0x | what's your wps ? |
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| 14:14:03 | pinkutank | I get al kind of problems |
| 14:14:09 | pinkutank | I was just building one |
| 14:14:12 | pinkutank | havent uplaoded yet |
| 14:14:41 | hshah | len0x: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1874.0 |
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| 14:16:59 | linuxstb__ | I've just been browsing the new WPS archive in CVS for the first time, and must say I'm impressed with both the designs and how customisable Rockbox has become. |
| 14:17:37 | lamed | good afternoon everyone. |
| 14:17:55 | whatboutbob | linuxstb_: oh, hey, those flacs that weren't playing last night are now playing fine. |
| 14:18:01 | lamed | has anyone tried my patch? |
| 14:18:11 | linuxstb__ | whatboutbob: Very strange. |
| 14:18:13 | lamed | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1360892&group_id=44306&atid=439120 |
| 14:18:26 | preglow | urgh |
| 14:18:35 | linuxstb__ | whatboutbob: But you're right - my test file is now playing..... |
| 14:18:35 | whatboutbob | ...with the bleeding edge build... |
| 14:18:48 | linuxstb__ | Yes, I've just installed an up-to-date build as well. |
| 14:19:15 | whatboutbob | didn't see anything in the commits about flacs. *shrugs* |
| 14:19:42 | hshah | why o why is my wps broken :( |
| 14:20:07 | whatboutbob | oh, and i can now confirm that the flacs didn't have a id3 tag at all... |
| 14:20:34 | whatboutbob | (so it wasn't just id3v2 buggering things) |
| 14:20:57 | lamed | linuxstb__: a lot of the times I hear people saying: "I'll have to discuss that with the other devs", right? |
| 14:21:01 | linuxstb__ | Maybe the original bug that showed itself with dbpoweramp files temporarily returned - this was a problem in the core playback code, but dbpoweramp FLAC files were the only ones that caused a problem. |
| 14:23:39 | whatboutbob | holy crap, does 48kHz recording actually work? |
| 14:23:48 | * | whatboutbob just stumbled across the setting... |
| 14:23:52 | linuxstb__ | lamed: Yes, that's the general Rockbox approach. Why do you ask? |
| 14:24:09 | len0x | btw, who's Miika?(is he around here) |
| 14:24:14 | preglow | slasheri |
| 14:24:24 | hshah | len0x: did u manage to have a look at my wps? |
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| 14:28:51 | webguest28 | I have downloaded the latest Bleeding edge and my wps is broken, where are the changes to that ? |
| 14:29:13 | len0x | Miika seems to broke previous track navigation... |
| 14:29:32 | LinusN | i fixed a few bugs in the wpws code, and it may affect the wps'es that have worked around it |
| 14:29:42 | modafroman | i know i will get told to look at the topic, but, we any closer to getting h300? |
| 14:30:39 | ashridah | modafroman: we decided to turn rockbox into a web browser instead. |
| 14:30:39 | whatboutbob | modafroman: as close as new ir legislation... |
| 14:30:45 | ashridah | :) |
| 14:30:51 | webguest28 | ah ok, are the changes documented |
| 14:30:59 | modafroman | ir legislation? |
| 14:31:15 | whatboutbob | you're an aussie arentcha? |
| 14:31:18 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK len0x |
| 14:31:18 | len0x | LinusN: exactly what I said here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1866.0 :) |
| 14:31:20 | modafroman | yes |
| 14:31:34 | modafroman | to young and rich to care about ir |
| 14:31:37 | modafroman | ... |
| 14:31:39 | ashridah | whatboutbob: try 'IR reform legislation' |
| 14:31:57 | ashridah | 'ir' is a little vague. it is an acronym, after all |
| 14:32:09 | whatboutbob | my bad :) |
| 14:32:55 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 14:32:55 | * | webguest28 heads off to read 'how to make a wps" doc's |
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| 14:34:23 | Slasheri | len0x: Hmm, how? |
| 14:35:08 | len0x | dunno, but see here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1871.0 |
| 14:35:18 | Slasheri | ah, checking |
| 14:35:18 | lamed | linuxstb__: so How do I start a talk about my recent patch..? |
| 14:36:32 | linuxstb | lamed: You just start talking - either here on the dev mailing list |
| 14:36:43 | linuxstb | s/on/or on/ |
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| 14:37:35 | Febs | LinusN, in anticipation of the release of the H300 bootloader and a large influx of H300 users, I removed the installation instructions from the IriverBoot page. |
| 14:37:49 | modafroman | and put it where? |
| 14:38:03 | Febs | I believe, as we talked about a while back, that returns the page to what you originally intended it to be. |
| 14:38:54 | Febs | modafroman: go to the Rockbox wiki and type ManualRockboxInstall in the search box. |
| 14:38:54 | lamed | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1360892&group_id=44306&atid=439120 |
| 14:39:14 | modafroman | ahh |
| 14:39:20 | Febs | ManualRockboxInstall has complete step-by-step instructions for installation on all supported platforms. |
| 14:40:15 | linuxstb | lamed: Sorry, I didn't notice that. You also need to keep pestering people :) |
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| 14:40:59 | * | lamed is always a pests. |
| 14:41:57 | pinkutank | lol |
| 14:42:03 | pinkutank | wpss went haywire |
| 14:42:05 | pinkutank | yay |
| 14:43:15 | * | amiconn wonders what change caused the win32 sims to become significantly smaller |
| 14:45:14 | lamed | amiconn: as one of the people that have most helped me answering stupid questions, |
| 14:45:23 | lamed | have you tried my patch? |
| 14:45:59 | amiconn | No |
| 14:46:44 | pinkutank | lamed, when di you wake up |
| 14:47:12 | linuxstb | lamed: My initial reaction is that it looks like a big diff for a small feature. |
| 14:47:23 | linuxstb | You've also ignored the ipod parts of the code. |
| 14:47:38 | pinkutank | your next patch should be customizable left and right margins for scrolling fields in wpss :) |
| 14:47:52 | pinkutank | too many files to customize, that why its big I think |
| 14:48:39 | pinkutank | but it works good |
| 14:49:08 | pinkutank | I hope preglow resumes his work on eq sometime |
| 14:49:28 | pinkutank | rb will be almighty with an presetable eq |
| 14:49:40 | pinkutank | with quick switching via menuhold |
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| 14:50:06 | amiconn | lamed: For one I don't see the point of it. The current line does scroll anyway. Then my next point is that a scrolled-right view should reset itself to leftmost when changing dirs |
| 14:50:16 | amiconn | Otherwise it would be very confusing |
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| 14:50:45 | pinkutank | i see the poing |
| 14:50:47 | pinkutank | t |
| 14:50:50 | pinkutank | and it is useful |
| 14:50:56 | pinkutank | but resetting is a good idea |
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| 14:52:13 | Lear | amiconn: and I wonder when the win32 sim started hogging the cpu... |
| 14:52:59 | amiconn | Well, it depends on how your files are organised. I have everything organised as (coarse)genre->artist->album, with the files just named trackno. title |
| 14:53:29 | pinkutank | I have all albums under one folder that all |
| 14:53:42 | amiconn | For tracks which don't belong to an album there's a special 'Various Tracks' album, with just the trackname as filename |
| 14:53:42 | pinkutank | win32 sim more than hugs it |
| 14:53:42 | pinkutank | :D |
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| 14:53:51 | pinkutank | im away |
| 14:54:39 | amiconn | The only case where I do have artist name - album name is for tracks that don't belong to an album and where I have less than 5 tracks of the same artist |
| 14:54:47 | amiconn | ..or for multi-artist albums |
| 14:55:25 | amiconn | Lear: Iirc this is since sim playback was introduced.. |
| 14:55:40 | amiconn | The change that I mean must have happened yesterday or today |
| 14:56:11 | amiconn | The win32 sims became ~700KB smaller |
| 14:56:39 | linuxstb | amiconn: I'm assuming they still work perfectly? |
| 14:57:04 | amiconn | yes |
| 14:57:41 | linuxstb | Has it happened to every sim? |
| 14:58:04 | amiconn | All win32 sims |
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| 14:59:29 | amiconn | Hmm, maybe this is due to my latest cygwin update |
| 14:59:39 | amiconn | It updated the mingw-runtime... |
| 14:59:41 | linuxstb | That sounds most likely. |
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| 15:00:08 | whatboutbob | flac seeking no longer working? or just me? :) |
| 15:00:46 | linuxstb | I broke it a while ago when I changed the decoder library. dbPowerAmp doesn't add seek tables to FLAC files.... |
| 15:01:03 | linuxstb | The FLAC decoder now only seeks to the nearest seek point in the seek table. So if you have no seek table, it won't seek. |
| 15:01:23 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 15:01:38 | linuxstb | You can use the "metaflac" command to add seek tables to your files. |
| 15:02:03 | whatboutbob | ah. cool. thanks. will do. |
| 15:02:34 | amiconn | linuxstb: This is definitely the cause... The last mingw-runtime package was ~1.3MB, both previous and current package are <250 KB |
| 15:03:05 | linuxstb | How big is your H300 sim, for example? |
| 15:03:19 | amiconn | 2285KB |
| 15:03:28 | amiconn | (without simsound) |
| 15:03:29 | linuxstb | My cross-compiled version is 2518610 bytes. |
| 15:03:40 | webguest28 | does the wps file and icons have to be in a specific folder now ?, my wps doesn't display my icons |
| 15:03:46 | linuxstb | (also without sound) |
| 15:03:50 | amiconn | (2339727 Bytes) |
| 15:04:49 | linuxstb | I've fixed the button definitions, so we just need some ipod pictures to make the win32 sims work. |
| 15:04:56 | amiconn | yes |
| 15:05:14 | amiconn | ...and a slight fix for the swapped rgb565 |
| 15:05:36 | amiconn | Do you have a scan of your ipod? |
| 15:05:56 | linuxstb | No, but I could try and get my old scanner working and scan it later today. |
| 15:06:11 | amiconn | That would be nice |
| 15:06:14 | linuxstb | We'll need preglow to do the same with the Nano. |
| 15:06:26 | amiconn | The fix is in fact simple |
| 15:06:42 | amiconn | The handling in screendump() needs fixing as well |
| 15:07:10 | amiconn | You added the swapped format, but left it as swap16() ... |
| 15:07:12 | wubbla | how do you guys enable sound in the simulator? |
| 15:07:37 | amiconn | This wouldn't work for an ipod sim on a big-endian machine |
| 15:08:29 | amiconn | We could just use htobe16() instead; this will in fact give little endian data with the swapped source data |
| 15:10:36 | webguest28 | why does this NOT call the icon %xl|a|hm.bmp|57|1| |
| 15:11:04 | preglow | linuxstb: so dbpoweramp neglects to make a seek table, but still wastes tons of space with padding?? |
| 15:12:09 | | Quit DangerousDan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 15:12:10 | amiconn | linuxstb: Btw, I wonder why the lcd data is swapped on ipod? Perhaps the apple firmware does run in big-endian mode? |
| 15:12:19 | lamed | linuxstb: yes, it is a big diff for a small feature, but that was one of the best ways to do it. there could be some other quick-hacks to do that, but i wanted to make it something that looks organized. also, i have ignored the ipod parts just for now, because i wanted others to see my work and talk about it. it will be very simple to make the adjustments to the ipod lcd driver & bind the correct keys. |
| 15:13:17 | Lear | amiconn: no, at the time I added win32 sim sound, I also changed it so that playback worked without hogging the cpu. and that worked for a while. |
| 15:15:01 | Lear | wubbla: check autoconf.h |
| 15:15:11 | lamed | amiconn: I'm sure that there are hundreds of users like me, that like to have complete '<track number> <artist> - <track name>' , which is always very long. in some folders, like "presidents of the united states of america" album folder... you are pretty darn lost of waiting the scroll thing to reach. second, about folder view, maybe you'r right, maybe it should always jump back to zero. i feel that this should be left to the user. |
| 15:15:30 | wubbla | argh! what's wrong with the win32 sim sound?! |
| 15:15:50 | wubbla | I'm just hearing noise |
| 15:16:02 | wubbla | *loud* noise |
| 15:16:06 | linuxstb | preglow: Yep - dbpoweramp adds about 50KB of padding IIRC. |
| 15:16:27 | wubbla | Lear: thanks! i've already discovered that :-) |
| 15:16:47 | San | any updateds on the H300? |
| 15:17:06 | lamed | wubbla - same thing happend to me, just on the player (!) that was terrifying. |
| 15:17:39 | wubbla | in the log-window i get: simulator got no pcm |
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| 15:18:58 | wubbla | what am i doing wrong there? |
| 15:21:08 | Lear | wubbla: noise could be a plugin/core api mismatch. Make sure you've done a make install. |
| 15:21:27 | wubbla | Lear: yeah, i've done make install |
| 15:22:00 | Lear | the thread handling isn't perfect; sometimes there's a delay in the pcm data from the codecs, causing those logs. |
| 15:22:16 | Lear | so, what format did you try to play (and with which simulator)? |
| 15:22:56 | wubbla | win32 simulator, latest cvs-source, mp3 and ogg |
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| 15:24:30 | wubbla | Lear: in the log i get: "simulator got no pcm" |
| 15:27:13 | lamed | amiconn, linuxstb, responds? |
| 15:28:53 | wubbla | oh... |
| 15:28:57 | wubbla | it does work now :-) |
| 15:29:05 | wubbla | make clean && rbconf |
| 15:29:13 | wubbla | fixed the problem... |
| 15:29:17 | Lear | rbconf? |
| 15:29:28 | Lear | You mean configure? |
| 15:29:33 | lamed | rbconf = ../tools/configure |
| 15:29:33 | wubbla | ../tools/configure |
| 15:29:34 | wubbla | yes |
| 15:29:38 | lamed | cygwin alias |
| 15:29:44 | linuxstb | lamed: I've got to go now, but I'll try and look at your patch in more detail later. |
| 15:30:02 | lamed | i will appreciate that :) |
| 15:31:36 | linuxstb | It also affects another change I was thinking of making - moving the generic scrolling code out of the lcd drivers. I'm sure you noticed that the scrolling code in lcd-recorder.c, lcd-h100.c and lcd-16bit.c is identical. |
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| 15:31:58 | preglow | yes, nice idea |
| 15:32:00 | linuxstb | Unless I'm mistaken about that. |
| 15:32:02 | lamed | pinkutank - i've woke up at 15:00 ... and the thing you've said about scrolling fileds in wps isn't that far out. I've thought about making the lcd driver looking a bit different then now, giving it the posibility to scroll both directions, and to scroll out of view as it should. corrently the scrolling thread in comination with puts_scroll . |
| 15:32:29 | linuxstb | bbl. |
| 15:32:42 | lamed | linuxstb: you are not only right, but that i certenly agree with you, and we have to come up with a better scrolling code. |
| 15:32:45 | lamed | : |
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| 15:33:47 | lamed | something that can display text out of view and then scroll it back to view with less hassle. i will explain myself another time |
| 15:35:07 | lamed | (the next scrolling code should solve any right to left language problems that rockbox is still having.) |
| 15:35:09 | Lear | linuxstb: the scrolling code was in fact common back in the dark ages. I guess there must've been a reason for the change... |
| 15:35:49 | lamed | lear: there's some diffrence between the player/ recorder / h codes. |
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| 15:36:02 | lamed | of course player is totally different, |
| 15:36:05 | wubbla | what's the difference between crossfade and crossfeed? :P |
| 15:36:17 | preglow | haha |
| 15:36:28 | preglow | crossfeed bleeds audio from one channel over to the other |
| 15:36:31 | preglow | crossfeed mixes two tracks |
| 15:36:36 | preglow | ehh |
| 15:36:39 | preglow | crossFADE mixes two tracks |
| 15:36:44 | XavierGr | fade fade in/out, feed has to do with food.! |
| 15:36:56 | wubbla | haha :D |
| 15:37:06 | markun | I think I should move crossfeed to sound instead of playback |
| 15:37:14 | whatboutbob | coming soon: crossfired |
| 15:37:16 | preglow | markun: i think lots of things should be moved |
| 15:38:04 | markun | I'm not sure if replaygain should be in playback either, but I'm not sure |
| 15:38:42 | lamed | preglow: do you think crossfeed is better then stereo width? |
| 15:39:17 | Lear | well, neither should optical out... |
| 15:39:45 | lamed | Lear: not much of a headphoner, aren't you? |
| 15:39:58 | preglow | lamed: you can't compare them |
| 15:40:01 | Lear | lamed: why do you say that? |
| 15:40:29 | markun | lamed: I think he was refering to the menu items in playback.. |
| 15:40:38 | lamed | lear: woops, you ment that they effect the opt. out? |
| 15:40:58 | Lear | no, optical out should be moved from the playback menu... |
| 15:41:12 | lamed | :/ bah |
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| 15:41:42 | preglow | i think the menu system needs a major overhaul, actually |
| 15:43:23 | lamed | they should be user customized. and then we could have the user to select between simple configurations.cfg to advance config.cfg, something like that. |
| 15:43:38 | linuxstb | I'm not sure how efficiently it could be implemented, but I would like to have files in the filesystem (such as fmradio.menu, generalsettings.menu) that call the relevant function when selected in the file browser. |
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| 15:44:36 | Mindship-02 | who desides which functions do, and which don't end up in the official build? |
| 15:44:54 | lamed | so the menu system would be movable files..? |
| 15:45:02 | linuxstb | lamed: Yes.... |
| 15:45:19 | lamed | linuxstb: that's a great idead. haven't crossed my mind. |
| 15:45:56 | Mindship-02 | Is it perhaps an idea to have something like $make (menu)config as with the linux kernel to select what you want (and which device you use - ie archos/iriver) |
| 15:46:28 | markun | Mindship-02: The developers just discuss if a feature should be included or not.. |
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| 15:46:34 | lamed | will obviously make 1,000 new problems.... mindship - 02 but how would an avarage user would use that? |
| 15:47:02 | Mindship-02 | or make it completely plug-in based and have a PLUGINS directory on the device in which all stuff such as games and equaliser support CAN be put |
| 15:47:18 | Mindship-02 | lamed: how does an average user use the kernel? |
| 15:47:38 | Mindship-02 | markun: so they deside what I want? |
| 15:47:51 | Mindship-02 | I don't want no games for one thing! |
| 15:48:32 | markun | Mindship-02: you can remove the games |
| 15:48:39 | linuxstb | Mindship-02: It's quite rare for a feature to be denied access. It's normally how that feature is implemented that the devs object to. |
| 15:49:28 | Mindship-02 | ah, so, in a certain way my proposal already exists? |
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| 15:50:16 | Mindship-02 | I presume implementation would in some situations lead do delete-ability of stuff |
| 15:50:22 | Mindship-02 | markun: how? |
| 15:50:39 | markun | well, the games are plugins, but not DSP effects. Maybe they will be in future. |
| 15:50:54 | linuxstb | They are stored in .rockbox/rocks/ - just delete the rocks (i.e. plugins) that you don't want to use. |
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| 15:51:11 | Mindship-02 | great! |
| 15:51:33 | linuxstb | But you will only save a few MB of disk space, so it's not really worth it. If you don't run them, they don't affect how Rockbox works in any way. |
| 15:52:02 | Mindship-02 | now a more technical question... where in the source are the pictures called for (ie boot-logo) |
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| 15:52:17 | lamed | MB? KB! |
| 15:52:19 | linuxstb | In fact, it's probably less than 1MB of disk space.. |
| 15:52:23 | Mindship-02 | linuxstb: its more that I don't want to see them mentioned |
| 15:52:41 | linuxstb | They are only mentioned when you do "browse plugins" |
| 15:52:57 | Mindship-02 | yup, and I want to see what I need... :-P |
| 15:53:56 | Mindship-02 | okay, perhaps I should install the thing first... but I planned to get 955078 implemented first (I realy look forward to it) |
| 15:54:04 | markun | Mindship-02: Which plugins DO you need? Plasma? Mandelbrot? |
| 15:54:12 | lamed | linuxstb, i want to adress you to few things about my patch that can make the thinking about a new scroll thread more clear. |
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| 15:54:12 | linuxstb | If you only want to use a small number of plugins, you can can copy the ones you need to another directory, and then browse them in the normal file browser. |
| 15:54:31 | akaidiota | So when is the podbox due? :P |
| 15:54:34 | linuxstb | OK, but I may need to run at any moment... |
| 15:54:43 | markun | akaidiota: read the topic |
| 15:54:47 | linuxstb | akaidiota: Work is progressing steadily. |
| 15:54:58 | dropandho | hey guys! |
| 15:55:04 | akaidiota | seriously? rockbox for iPod? |
| 15:55:05 | Mindship-02 | linuxstb & markun: thanks for the info on plugins. |
| 15:55:13 | dropandho | any clue what we have in store for the bootloader v6? |
| 15:55:14 | lamed | linuxstb: i thought you'r back. when will you bback? |
| 15:55:17 | markun | Mindship-02: no problem :) |
| 15:55:31 | Mindship-02 | now a more technical question... where in the source are the pictures called for (ie boot-logo) |
| 15:55:34 | linuxstb | I haven't left yet - I'm waiting for my girlfriend to be ready so we can leave... |
| 15:55:53 | lamed | girls. that happend like 20 minuts ago!! |
| 15:55:57 | akaidiota | is a rockbox firmware for the iPod planned? |
| 15:56:16 | dropandho | akaidota- they are currently working on it...no eta |
| 15:56:36 | linuxstb | akaidiota: Yes. See http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPort |
| 15:56:41 | lamed | akaidiota. todays topic |
| 15:56:43 | lamed | Topic is: Seriously, we DO NOT estimate release dates. You'll find out when it happens. |
| 15:56:50 | akaidiota | cool, I remember linus stating that it was pretty much not gonna happen? |
| 15:56:54 | dropandho | thanks linuxstb |
| 15:57:06 | dropandho | pearls b4 swine! |
| 15:57:10 | San | Can I ask one Question, What Type of H300 are the tests been run on by linusN? US or intl? |
| 15:57:18 | akaidiota | but that was a couple of years ago, when I had the first archos player |
| 15:57:26 | linuxstb | San: I believe he has both. |
| 15:57:32 | San | oh :D |
| 15:57:41 | San | ind is it working on both of them so far? |
| 15:57:44 | dropandho | linux- any idea what linus has in store for bootloader v6? |
| 15:57:55 | linuxstb | No idea. |
| 15:58:15 | dropandho | keeping us on our toes! |
| 15:58:26 | lamed | linuxstb: when will you bback? |
| 15:58:34 | linuxstb | In a few hours |
| 15:59:42 | dropandho | ohh cool- looks like Mmmm found out what was up with the messed up wps |
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| 16:00:00 | lamed | hope i'll manage to talk to you. i assume i'm one of the 10 only users that uses rockbox with right to left language... |
| 16:00:26 | linuxstb | akaidiota: Things have changed a lot with both Rockbox and the iPod since the days of the Archos players. Rockbox now does software decoding, and the iPod's hardware has been pretty much fully reverse-engineered by the ipodlinux people. |
| 16:00:52 | akaidiota | right |
| 16:01:41 | linuxstb | later. |
| 16:01:51 | dropandho | byes |
| 16:02:36 | akaidiota | bye |
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| 16:08:44 | curio | Hello evrybody! |
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| 16:10:49 | Lear | So... Any Win32 IRC client recommendations, apart from mIRC and HydraIRC? |
| 16:11:04 | Mindship-02 | are there any RB _programmers_ in here? |
| 16:11:07 | Mindship-02 | Lear: Gaim |
| 16:11:39 | Lear | GTK based? |
| 16:12:08 | markun | Mindship-02: you could call me a rb programmer I guess |
| 16:12:31 | Mindship-02 | markun: where in the source are the pictures called for (ie boot-logo) |
| 16:13:12 | Mindship-02 | phone call... brb |
| 16:13:30 | curio | i think i need some help.. i've just installed rockbox 2.5 on a archos studio 10 and music plays with the wrong pitch (slow pitch), and skip everytimes there is a screen refresh ( constantly apart in some menus) |
| 16:14:12 | markun | Mindship-02: they are in apps/recorder (which should be renamed to bitmap-lcd of something i guess) |
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| 16:15:29 | curio | after testing that i've restarted without archos.mod, to test with original archos firmware and now it still plays with wrong pitch and make skips on screen refreshes. it didn't happend before |
| 16:16:29 | curio | it's hard to belive but could rockbox software broke the players hardware ? (or deconfigure it permanently) |
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| 16:19:19 | curio | i've searched in mailing list archive but did not find any corresponding q/a, except a post talking about slow pitch in rockbox 1.2 on this hardware |
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| 16:20:44 | lamed | what's an "M screen_access.c" means when cvs update? merge? |
| 16:20:56 | Lear | Modified, I think. |
| 16:21:04 | dropandho | back again |
| 16:21:19 | curio | please do somebody have an idea how to fix the problem described ? |
| 16:21:22 | Lear | P or U is for updated/patched file. |
| 16:21:24 | lamed | so did it do the cvs magic or not..? |
| 16:21:36 | dropandho | was wondering if anyone knew if people were working on the "Blocker bugs" for the H1x0 port |
| 16:21:47 | lamed | the id isn't been refreshed. |
| 16:21:57 | Lear | Yes, but there wasn't anything to change for that file (rather, your copy was different from CVS). |
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| 16:25:24 | lamed | lear: i don't understand. yes, my copy was different then the cvs, but it didn't state out a C. |
| 16:25:25 | Mindship-02 | markun: bedankt |
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| 16:27:56 | Lear | lamed: C is for conflict |
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| 16:30:46 | lamed | lear, i know, but it stated out an M, so, not like with a C, why didn't it worked? |
| 16:31:11 | Slasheri | lamed: M means that you have made modifications |
| 16:31:14 | Lear | what didn't work? |
| 16:31:21 | Slasheri | So everything seems to be fine |
| 16:31:35 | Slasheri | C requires manual resolution for the conflict |
| 16:32:28 | lamed | slasheri: that's what i thought.. just that the file id is left unupdated. |
| 16:32:31 | Slasheri | And P means the file (with you modifications) has been successfully patched |
| 16:32:44 | Slasheri | lamed: id is updated on cvs commit only |
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| 16:33:38 | lamed | 1 |
| 16:33:43 | lamed | 1 |
| 16:33:51 | Slasheri | 2 :D |
| 16:34:09 | lamed | slasheri: actually, everything else has updated (and the id). |
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| 16:34:50 | dropandho | anyone know if the "Blocker bugs" are being worked on? |
| 16:35:44 | lamed | slasheri: i've "cvs diff screen_access.c" and now i can see for sure that the file hasn't been updated. |
| 16:36:00 | Slasheri | lamed: Hmm, how? |
| 16:36:49 | lamed | how do i tell cvs to diff against screen_access.c revision 1.12? |
| 16:37:10 | lamed | slasheri: because it contains both my changes and the things that are new in revision 1.13 |
| 16:37:10 | Slasheri | cvs diff -r 1.12 screen_access.c |
| 16:37:23 | lamed | -r? recursive? |
| 16:37:25 | Slasheri | or -r 1.12 -r 1.13 or -D 2005-xx-xx ... |
| 16:37:29 | Slasheri | no, revision |
| 16:37:32 | lamed | ah |
| 16:37:39 | lamed | sec |
| 16:38:23 | lamed | yes, that gave me the correct stuff. (not suprising) |
| 16:41:26 | | Part Mindship-02 |
| 16:42:17 | lamed | how do you " cvs diff -r 1.12 screen_access-mychanges.c > 123 | cvs update screen_access.c | patch screen_access.c < 123 | " without creating the external file? |
| 16:42:32 | lamed | = 123 |
| 16:43:10 | lamed | slasheri? |
| 16:43:49 | Slasheri | Hmm |
| 16:44:19 | Slasheri | you should cp screen_access-mychanges.c screen_access.c && cvs diff screen_access.c |
| 16:44:26 | Slasheri | that should do the correct diff |
| 16:45:01 | Slasheri | or cvs update before the diff |
| 16:45:14 | lamed | hehe... that what i was doing t the first place. but now i want it to patch the diff with the new revsion.. |
| 16:45:37 | Slasheri | eh, why in earth do you want to do it that way? |
| 16:46:02 | Slasheri | cvs diff can do it for you.. and cvs update automatically patches the file with your changes whenever there is a new version available |
| 16:46:17 | lamed | slasheri, all i want to do is have the scree_access.c file update to the new version with my change. what's the best way? |
| 16:46:27 | Slasheri | cvs update |
| 16:46:39 | lamed | that caused an M |
| 16:46:43 | lamed | and no update. |
| 16:47:01 | Slasheri | Hmm, then it's already the newest version |
| 16:47:05 | curio | so.. escuse me but, does anybody hear me ? am i on a splitted serve ? does everybody ignores me ? |
| 16:47:20 | lamed | stop shouting |
| 16:47:25 | dropandho | hehe |
| 16:47:45 | curio | hey lamed, hello |
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| 16:48:15 | Moos | curio: try to reask your question later when archos dev will (ya pa d'user archos pour l'instant) |
| 16:48:34 | curio | okay Moos |
| 16:48:34 | lamed | slasheri: no, it really isn't, it's still v. 1.12 and it's lacking the lasts commit. |
| 16:48:47 | curio | Moos : thanks for the response |
| 16:49:06 | Slasheri | lamed: that's really weird.. |
| 16:49:26 | Slasheri | try to delete the file (take a backup of your changes) and run cvs update |
| 16:49:26 | lamed | slasheri: yepp, that's me. |
| 16:49:35 | Slasheri | does it correctly fetch the new version? |
| 16:49:37 | Moos | curio: np, here people answer if they know answer, but currently aparently no archos devloper or user |
| 16:49:37 | lamed | slasheri: ok, so i've got the new file. |
| 16:49:42 | lamed | slasheri: yes. |
| 16:50:01 | Slasheri | Hmm.. what if you copy your changes to screen_access.c and run cvs udpate then? |
| 16:50:40 | lamed | i guess it will tell me an M..? modification? |
| 16:50:45 | lamed | waiitt... |
| 16:50:51 | lamed | i think i know! |
| 16:51:05 | Slasheri | if it tells M, it indicates that the file has your modifications not yet committed to cvs |
| 16:51:13 | Slasheri | and cvs diff will tell them |
| 16:51:35 | curio | Moos, maybe should i try to post to the mailing list, or sumbit something to the bug tracking system ? |
| 16:51:36 | San | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=32092 |
| 16:51:40 | lamed | maybe one time it tells you "C", then the next time it will only claims for an "M", because the cvs entry file is updated! |
| 16:51:42 | San | anyone se that ?^^ |
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| 16:52:12 | Slasheri | lamed: if it ever tells C, you must manually correct the conflict before doing anything to the file |
| 16:52:32 | Moos | curio: that sounds good you could try the user ml and if there are no reply, retry here if you have a bit of luck |
| 16:53:03 | lamed | slasheri: it looks that way, because in /cvs/entries: "/screen_access.c/1.13/Sat Nov 19 15:21:27 2005//" |
| 16:53:15 | lamed | so it thinks it's updated... |
| 16:54:13 | lamed | yes! |
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| 16:55:09 | lamed | i've changed the entry to v 1.12, then it correctly retrived the older version, diffed and merged, and produced a "C"! |
| 16:55:12 | lamed | hehe |
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| 16:56:49 | curio | Moos: olay. Do you know nicknames of developpers who may be able to respond to this wreid problem with roxckox 2.5 and jukebox studio 10 ? |
| 16:57:30 | Moos | did you try mailing list first? |
| 16:58:15 | curio | Moos, yep. But reading only. |
| 16:58:21 | | Quit muesli_- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 16:58:27 | Moos | and Rb forums too? |
| 16:58:58 | Moos | try to post mail with all infos, Rb version... |
| 16:59:19 | Moos | and in the Rb Archos forum too |
| 16:59:53 | curio | yes, i'll retry with other search querys |
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| 17:00:01 | Moos | :) |
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| 17:01:02 | curio | anyway, rockbox 2.5 has the capability to make the studio 10 unusable. i doubt that it could be permanent but I do not find how to fix that |
| 17:01:27 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 17:02:00 | Moos | I doubt the fw can kill one device |
| 17:02:16 | Moos | it's maybe an harware problem? HD... |
| 17:02:23 | Moos | *hardware |
| 17:03:42 | curio | i doubt becay just 5 minutes before, player was running officiel firmware (i just bought it used) and played mp3 files at the right speed and without skips |
| 17:04:19 | Moos | curio: pv for french :) |
| 17:08:37 | lamed | anyone with info about it? |
| 17:08:44 | uski | hi all |
| 17:08:49 | * | lamed is going for the USB CHARGER CABLE MOD |
| 17:08:53 | uski | curio: could you re-explain your problem J |
| 17:08:56 | uski | ? |
| 17:09:04 | uski | lamed, for which player ? |
| 17:09:08 | lamed | h120 |
| 17:09:27 | curio | hello, uski: yes for shure |
| 17:10:19 | curio | uski, i've upgraded an archos studio 10 to rockbox 2.5. Before this upgrade the player worked flawlessly |
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| 17:10:44 | lamed | uski anything? |
| 17:10:56 | uski | lamed, no, just some curiosity ;) |
| 17:11:03 | uski | curio: and now what's wrong? |
| 17:11:19 | curio | uski, after the first boot under the rockbox firmware, players play songs with the wrong pitch ( 90% of the normal speed ) |
| 17:11:59 | curio | uski, and it skips at every screen refresh. so it skips everytime when song title scrolls on the display |
| 17:12:08 | uski | oh, that's strange |
| 17:12:22 | uski | have you tried reinstalling an older version ? |
| 17:12:42 | curio | uski, so i've removed the .mod and .rockbox/ to reboot to the original firmware, and it does not work anymore good |
| 17:12:47 | uski | mp3 decoding is done by the MAS, and if i remember things correctly it is the MAS that sets the pitch, it has its one timebase |
| 17:13:04 | uski | does the archos firmware shows the same behavior ? |
| 17:13:32 | curio | uski, yes, i've tried rockbox 2.4: the same. i've tried 1.0 too, and now my player is stuck and semi-crashed with rockbox 1.0 firmware |
| 17:14:13 | uski | did you remove the .mod file from USB ? |
| 17:14:23 | curio | yes |
| 17:14:25 | uski | also, do you have a flashed box ? or do you still have the original archos bootloader ? |
| 17:14:51 | lamed | xaviergr here? |
| 17:15:08 | curio | i've only put the .mod file on the disk, without any flashing operation |
| 17:15:31 | uski | if you remove the .mod file, it should go back to the original archos firmware |
| 17:15:36 | uski | have you tried that ? |
| 17:15:51 | curio | for now the device is up with rockbox 1.0 in ram, and.. don't know how to shut it down :) |
| 17:16:20 | curio | i've removed the .mod files 2 times : after testing the 2.5 version and the 2.4 version |
| 17:16:26 | uski | press the OFF button and keep it pressed |
| 17:16:37 | uski | i think it's the square (stop) button on the studio |
| 17:16:49 | curio | i didn't know that :) |
| 17:17:00 | uski | :) |
| 17:17:00 | curio | that worked :) |
| 17:17:05 | uski | cool |
| 17:17:15 | uski | now, connect your player to the computer with the usb cable |
| 17:17:18 | uski | remove any .mod file |
| 17:17:23 | uski | disconnect the cable |
| 17:17:32 | uski | and then try with the original archos firmware |
| 17:17:56 | curio | uski: i can give you a ssh access to the machine connected to the player if it can help |
| 17:18:10 | uski | i don't see how it will help |
| 17:18:14 | curio | okay |
| 17:18:33 | curio | i've removed all files from the harddrive |
| 17:18:48 | curio | and umounted the hard drive |
| 17:19:10 | curio | .. removed the usb link |
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| 17:21:36 | curio | didn't worked |
| 17:22:01 | curio | still play hacked by constand skips and at a slower pitch |
| 17:22:43 | curio | sorry: hashed |
| 17:24:22 | curio | uski, i do not have equiements to open the player, but if i open it and remove batteries, could it help to really reset the hardware ? |
| 17:24:53 | Maxime | curio: try to empty the batteries |
| 17:25:02 | Maxime | by letting a song play until poweroff .. |
| 17:25:13 | Maxime | maybe it may help.. |
| 17:26:09 | curio | Maxime does the device really empty the batteries or shutdown just before they are empty for filesystem corruption preventing ? |
| 17:26:43 | Maxime | i think it's a soft poweroff, but if you restart the player a lot.. maybe? |
| 17:27:19 | curio | Maxime, yes, i'll try that... |
| 17:27:31 | Lear | Well, I have an old studio I could try 2.5 on. Need to charge it a while first though... |
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| 17:27:45 | curio | Lear, thank for the effort |
| 17:29:39 | uski | one second, im on phone |
| 17:29:46 | curio | :) |
| 17:31:08 | curio | i'm trying to drain batteries copying files to the device in order to make much disk access. |
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| 17:40:17 | uski | im back |
| 17:40:34 | curio | yup |
| 17:40:42 | uski | curio: if you want to reset the hardware, you could remove the batteries yes |
| 17:40:52 | uski | you don't need any equipement to remove the batteries |
| 17:40:57 | uski | it can be done by hands |
| 17:41:06 | uski | (if we are speaking of the same player) |
| 17:41:18 | uski | i.e. an archos studio, aka archos jukebox |
| 17:41:19 | curio | the good old archos player studio 10 |
| 17:41:24 | uski | yea then you can do it by hands |
| 17:41:32 | curio | you're right |
| 17:41:40 | curio | no need of screws |
| 17:41:45 | uski | remove the batteries for some seconds, then put them back |
| 17:41:52 | uski | if the player starts, immediatly shut it off |
| 17:41:59 | uski | after that, do a long format of the hard drive |
| 17:42:04 | uski | there is a config sector on the harddrive |
| 17:43:03 | curio | how much bytes ? |
| 17:43:28 | curio | i can do dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M count=1 |
| 17:43:39 | curio | to clear data, partitions and all |
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| 17:44:33 | Mordov_ | HELP! :) Once the source code file has been downloaded, you should have a file called rockbox-daily-XXXXXXXX.tar.gz (where XXXXXXXX is the date) or rockbox-bleeding.tar.gz |
| 17:44:49 | curio | Cool ! |
| 17:44:51 | Mordov_ | mine are called .zip and remaning it gives me erros |
| 17:44:58 | curio | it works now, after removing the batteries |
| 17:45:18 | Mordov_ | trying to compile rockbox :) |
| 17:46:06 | curio | uski: afer removing the batteries, the player works well on the officiel v5.8 firmware |
| 17:46:32 | curio | uski, i retry now the rockbox 2.5 firmware |
| 17:46:40 | uski | yea |
| 17:47:05 | curio | i was quite scared, thank you ;) |
| 17:47:34 | uski | np ;) |
| 17:47:39 | uski | tell me if it works with rockbox 2.5 |
| 17:48:20 | curio | back on rockbox 2.5 |
| 17:48:28 | curio | and back with problems |
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| 17:48:48 | curio | so this is not random ;) |
| 17:49:02 | curio | wich other version can i test ? |
| 17:50:04 | hshah | this whole convert to unix thing is annoying |
| 17:50:11 | lamed | anyone knows where's haku's usb charger cable link had went? |
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| 17:50:22 | hshah | the positions of the text has also changed... so i need to remake my bmp too |
| 17:50:25 | | Part ep0ch| |
| 17:50:53 | lamed | old link is dead |
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| 17:53:42 | pinkutank | lol I formatted my palyer today, installed bleeding edge, got on the subway thinkin im missin somethin, turns out i forgot to copy my music over |
| 17:54:28 | hshah | lol |
| 17:54:30 | hshah | silly u :p |
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| 17:55:15 | pinkutank | lamed ill find it for you |
| 17:55:18 | pinkutank | its easy anyway |
| 17:58:07 | pinkutank | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=5243&highlight=usb+charge |
| 17:58:08 | pinkutank | use this |
| 17:58:48 | preglow | LinusN: the data segment copy in crt0.S is only for when it's in flash, yes? |
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| 18:01:30 | pinkutank | is there a safe way of low level formatting my h120, partitions and all ? I want to get rid of some sectors |
| 18:02:38 | pinkutank | I was thinking of partition magick, remove partition |
| 18:02:42 | pinkutank | recreate partition |
| 18:02:43 | pinkutank | ? |
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| 18:05:11 | mordov | Does someone have time to help me a bit with compiling rockbox?? |
| 18:05:31 | mordov | I try using the helpguide but it refers to thing that doesn't exciost,,, |
| 18:05:45 | pinkutank | ill help in a sec |
| 18:05:53 | mordov | thanks :) |
| 18:06:01 | NiTrON | ko staa e poruvi |
| 18:07:12 | hshah | http://www.boxwave.com/products/directsync/directsync-sync-and-charge-cable-iriver-h120_354.htm |
| 18:07:19 | NiTrON | koi tui e |
| 18:07:24 | pinkutank | k I'm here |
| 18:07:27 | pinkutank | where are you stuck |
| 18:07:34 | NiTrON | na maikati putkata |
| 18:07:36 | hshah | mordov: what does it refer to that doesn't exist? |
| 18:07:36 | NiTrON | sadak |
| 18:07:47 | NiTrON | dami idesh huq |
| 18:07:48 | preglow | NiTrON: english |
| 18:07:55 | hshah | mordov: you mean the Simplified Guide to Compiling right? |
| 18:07:56 | mordov | I can find no .tar.gz file |
| 18:08:01 | mordov | and no tools folder.... |
| 18:08:10 | mordov | can't find out what I do wrong |
| 18:08:12 | hshah | well i wrote that guide, so i know it works :p |
| 18:08:17 | pinkutank | you need to download it |
| 18:08:21 | NiTrON | pedal |
| 18:08:23 | pinkutank | from rockbox.org |
| 18:08:25 | NiTrON | maikati sha iba |
| 18:08:28 | hshah | have you even downloaded it like i said in the instructions? |
| 18:08:30 | NiTrON | gay |
| 18:08:31 | mordov | I have downloaded every thing that was on the site :) |
| 18:08:32 | preglow | someone eject this idiot, please |
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| 18:08:44 | pinkutank | http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=source |
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| 18:08:58 | pinkutank | there is your tar.gz |
| 18:09:08 | NiTrON | 19:03:04] <mordov> Does someone have time to help me a bit with compiling rockbox?? |
| 18:09:08 | NiTrON | [19:03:22] <mordov> I try using the helpguide but it refers to thing that doesn't exciost,,, |
| 18:09:08 | NiTrON | [19:03:36] <pinkutank> ill help in a sec |
| 18:09:08 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK NiTrON |
| 18:09:08 | NiTrON | [19:03:44] <mordov> thanks :) |
| 18:09:08 | NiTrON | [19:03:52] <NiTrON> ko staa e poruvi |
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| 18:09:12 | pinkutank | the source tarball on the top |
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| 18:09:20 | hshah | and that will have he tools folder in it |
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| 18:09:29 | pinkutank | exactly |
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| 18:09:31 | hshah | read my instructions mate... its all in there |
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| 18:09:37 | preglow | we need more channel ops here |
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| 18:09:42 | hshah | FUCK OFF NiTrON |
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| 18:09:48 | hshah | FUCK OFF NiTrON |
| 18:09:51 | | Join NiTrON [0] (n=NiTrON@87.126.73.227) |
| 18:09:52 | hshah | GRR!!!! |
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| 18:09:54 | preglow | hshah: please ignore him |
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| 18:10:14 | pinkutank | hshah, your guide may miss ground level newpersons at some points |
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| 18:10:20 | mordov | nice that's a tar.gz file :D |
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| 18:10:23 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 18:10:23 | * | Creatine np: hallwaydemo [00:11m/0Kbps/0KHz] |
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| 18:10:36 | hshah | pinkutank: what do u mean? |
| 18:10:39 | mordov | when I calick the link on the page I get daily build... |
| 18:10:42 | NiTrON | 19:03:04] <mordov> Does someone have time to help me a bit with compiling rockbox?? |
| 18:10:42 | NiTrON | [19:03:22] <mordov> I try using the helpguide but it refers to thing that doesn't exciost,,, |
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| 18:10:47 | mordov | and that is .zip |
| 18:10:54 | pinkutank | no |
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| 18:10:57 | pinkutank | i told you |
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| 18:11:03 | pinkutank | its the topmpst link |
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| 18:11:08 | pinkutank | not the one for your player |
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| 18:11:19 | pinkutank | you need the SOURCE of the daily build |
| 18:11:20 | mordov | ok :) |
| 18:11:22 | NiTrON | 19:03:04] <mordov> Does someone have time to help me a bit with compiling rockbox?? |
| 18:11:22 | NiTrON | [19:03:22] <mordov> I try using the helpguide but it refers to thing that doesn't exciost,,, |
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| 18:11:31 | mordov | can someone ban him?????? |
| 18:11:35 | preglow | all the ops are gone |
| 18:11:38 | dpassen1 | * Added *!*n=NiTrON@87.126.73.227 to ignore list |
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| 18:11:44 | dpassen1 | i suggest you do something similar |
| 18:11:44 | | Join NiTrON [0] (n=NiTrON@87.126.73.227) |
| 18:11:49 | pinkutank | i just added him to my ignore list |
| 18:12:07 | uski | curio, hmmm |
| 18:12:09 | mordov | :) |
| 18:12:14 | uski | i think you have found a bug |
| 18:12:31 | uski | _please_ send a mail to the mailling list explaining your problem, and telling everything you have done so far |
| 18:12:38 | uski | it will help rockbox developpers to find the bug |
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| 18:12:43 | pinkutank | congrats curio |
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| 18:12:44 | curio | uski okay |
| 18:12:47 | pinkutank | whats the bug btw? |
| 18:12:48 | uski | and you will help other archos studio users by the way |
| 18:12:48 | uski | :) |
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| 18:14:17 | curio | uski i've retries rockbox 2.5 and back to the officiel firmware with the same method (hardware reset with removing batteries) and now with the official it still skips at every refresh. |
| 18:14:44 | curio | uski : i do not anderstand why and will investigate a bit more before posting |
| 18:15:08 | pinkutank | is there anyone who is familiar with irivers partition table |
| 18:15:57 | curio | uski, is the studio10 limited with some high bitrates or non strict iso padding mp3 (like mp3 produced by lame) ? |
| 18:16:39 | preglow | pinkutank: why do you need to be familiar with it? |
| 18:16:47 | preglow | pinkutank: as long as it contains a fat32 part, you'll be fine |
| 18:16:58 | pinkutank | primary/logical? |
| 18:17:02 | preglow | primary, i guess |
| 18:17:26 | pinkutank | I wanted to ask what would be the best cluster size |
| 18:17:51 | preglow | depends if you're going to need many small files or not |
| 18:18:06 | preglow | if not, just choose a big one |
| 18:18:09 | pinkutank | rockbox uses small files |
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| 18:18:11 | pinkutank | i dont |
| 18:18:14 | pinkutank | i use mp3s |
| 18:18:17 | pinkutank | they are big |
| 18:18:20 | preglow | _many_ small files |
| 18:18:26 | preglow | .rockbox isn't many files |
| 18:18:26 | preglow | so yeah |
| 18:18:30 | preglow | choose a big cluster size, then |
| 18:18:43 | pinkutank | 16k |
| 18:18:53 | pinkutank | is default |
| 18:18:57 | pinkutank | 32k then |
| 18:19:41 | preglow | 16k is nice |
| 18:19:56 | preglow | just go with the defaults, they should be more than good enough |
| 18:20:09 | preglow | and just make sure you make fat32, not ntfs' |
| 18:20:24 | pinkutank | lol i know that much |
| 18:21:05 | dpassen1 | why not just use the iriver firmwares format? |
| 18:21:16 | pinkutank | because i forgot |
| 18:21:23 | pinkutank | *ashamed* |
| 18:21:39 | dpassen1 | heh, no need to be ashamed |
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| 18:28:50 | pinkutank | is there anyway to build wps in a build |
| 18:29:45 | pinkutank | well doesnt matter |
| 18:32:55 | hshah | hmm... thats an idea |
| 18:33:06 | hshah | i may try and do that with my wps |
| 18:34:51 | pinkutank | btw, the morning bleeding edge killed wpss |
| 18:34:53 | pinkutank | how is it now |
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| 18:39:29 | pinkutank | .... builds take ages no |
| 18:39:31 | pinkutank | w |
| 18:40:10 | pinkutank | make an i-make command :D |
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| 18:46:29 | lamed | pinkutank: thanks for the link |
| 18:46:33 | pinkutank | wps still dont work on bleeding edge |
| 18:46:35 | pinkutank | why? |
| 18:46:39 | pinkutank | lamed: np |
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| 18:51:37 | muesli_- | re |
| 18:51:54 | muesli_- | "Forgot to initialize the ticking reduce setting on boot" is there a setting for this?= |
| 18:54:09 | uski | curio, did you send the mail ? :) |
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| 19:01:31 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 19:01:42 | pinkutank | whats with the wps problem |
| 19:02:38 | lamed | anyone knows what are the big humps on both of the usb cable end is for? - my guess is it's to prevent static electricity? |
| 19:02:50 | pinkutank | ermm i knew |
| 19:02:53 | pinkutank | but i dont remember |
| 19:02:57 | dpassen1 | muesli_-: yes |
| 19:03:04 | pinkutank | hmm |
| 19:03:08 | pinkutank | thinking physics |
| 19:03:19 | pinkutank | they might be electron accelerators |
| 19:03:23 | pinkutank | to boost speed |
| 19:03:25 | pinkutank | no kidding |
| 19:03:34 | pinkutank | electrons are ultra slow normally |
| 19:03:44 | pinkutank | 3 mm a minute or so |
| 19:03:56 | muesli_- | dpassen1 where can i find it? |
| 19:04:22 | pinkutank | but then |
| 19:04:35 | Maxime | it's somethign to reduce interferences |
| 19:04:42 | Maxime | if I remember well |
| 19:04:47 | lamed | ?! pinkutank, i really don't think that they have them on all cables... |
| 19:04:55 | dpassen1 | General Settings -> Display -> Remote-LCD Settings |
| 19:04:58 | pinkutank | they could be just ferro stuff to hold electro magnetic fields; reducing interference and lowering usb noice, which is much more likely then boosting |
| 19:05:13 | Maxime | yes pinkutank |
| 19:05:14 | preglow | linuxstb_: there? |
| 19:05:45 | lamed | the question is what happends if i remove those? i want to make the shortest usb cable, but: |
| 19:05:55 | pinkutank | nothing |
| 19:05:59 | lamed | a. i don't know if i can remove one/both of those humps |
| 19:06:00 | pinkutank | you can safely remove them |
| 19:06:03 | pinkutank | they are just ferrite |
| 19:06:27 | lamed | b. i've read that if i cut and solder the usb data cable, it won't run as usb2 cable. |
| 19:06:52 | lamed | pink... if it's that safe,,, why are they there in the first place? |
| 19:07:04 | pinkutank | to reduce electrostatic |
| 19:07:11 | pinkutank | they put them one veruything |
| 19:07:14 | pinkutank | I'llr ead more on them |
| 19:07:19 | pinkutank | and give you a final conc |
| 19:07:34 | pinkutank | lamed, about that solder thing, I think its wrong |
| 19:07:58 | mordov | wow I have a working simulator :) tnow I can make good wps's thank hshah and other helpfulle dudes :D |
| 19:08:49 | hshah | nps mate |
| 19:09:22 | pinkutank | heheee |
| 19:09:32 | pinkutank | mordov thinks he'll have working wpss |
| 19:09:42 | hshah | lol |
| 19:09:52 | hshah | he aint looked at the crappy unix stuff yet... |
| 19:09:54 | mordov | it seems to work.. |
| 19:10:16 | hshah | why r the wps so messed up now - the positioning of the text etc has all changed... :( |
| 19:10:17 | mordov | I save in unix... |
| 19:10:25 | hshah | cool cool mordov |
| 19:10:36 | mordov | :) |
| 19:10:42 | pinkutank | bleeding edge |
| 19:10:45 | pinkutank | literally |
| 19:10:46 | mordov | read the post before I made the sim ;) |
| 19:10:50 | pinkutank | kills wpss |
| 19:10:59 | muesli_- | dpassen1 cheers |
| 19:11:31 | hshah | pinkutank - even with the unix thing, the text has still all moved up a bit... by like a few pixels... |
| 19:11:54 | hshah | fucking hell - its like -3 outside in Leamington Spa (Midlands, UK) |
| 19:12:17 | uski | lol |
| 19:12:20 | pinkutank | what is the unix thing |
| 19:12:24 | mordov | hahaha it's as cold as here (midlewaay up norway ;) |
| 19:12:24 | uski | it's very cold in france too, near paris |
| 19:13:14 | pinkutank | its maybe 10 or so here |
| 19:13:20 | lamed | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=5243&highlight=usb charge |
| 19:13:32 | pinkutank | or 13 |
| 19:13:33 | pinkutank | or more |
| 19:14:05 | mordov | my old wps's wokrs fine too :) |
| 19:14:06 | lamed | pinkutank, in your link xaviergr tells you not to cut the data lines. in other thread i've found out that people who have cut them couldn't have the player use the usb2 speed. |
| 19:14:09 | mordov | gues I'm lucky |
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| 19:15:49 | lamed | and i can't find the other link. |
| 19:16:05 | mordov | excepts that teh wolume don't autorefresh when I have %s in the line... |
| 19:17:23 | pinkutank | ok |
| 19:17:30 | curio | uski : i still do experiements, i does not work anymore and that's quite hard to find how / why, I'll try to find but it start to drive me mad ;) |
| 19:17:52 | pinkutank | I just dont see the reason yet, probablt because the wires are thin and full contact is hard |
| 19:17:58 | pinkutank | i really dont know why |
| 19:18:02 | pinkutank | by the way |
| 19:18:18 | pinkutank | you can remove your ferrite beads but its better to keep one near your computer |
| 19:18:39 | pinkutank | because computers are lectromagnetically noisy as hell, and your cable is noisy too |
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| 19:19:47 | pinkutank | http://computer.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=question352.htm&url=http://www.antennex.com/shack/Dec99/beads.htm |
| 19:19:49 | pinkutank | read more there |
| 19:20:20 | pinkutank | whats the unix think for wps |
| 19:20:39 | pinkutank | my wps doesnt show anything but the backgroun battery meter and the shufle indicator know |
| 19:20:44 | pinkutank | now i meant , not know |
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| 19:22:27 | mordov | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1866.0 |
| 19:22:34 | mordov | this post says things abaout saving in unix... |
| 19:22:44 | mordov | can't say I have it aøll under contoll ;) |
| 19:24:26 | pinkutank | ok wills ave udner unix and try |
| 19:25:48 | pinkutank | yes it works now |
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| 19:37:00 | lamed | who knows his way around multimeters? i'm trying to read the ac voltage of the iriver's charger. |
| 19:38:26 | LinusN | the *ac* voltage? |
| 19:38:35 | LinusN | have you opened it up? |
| 19:39:53 | pinkutank | where do you want to read lamed |
| 19:40:45 | Slasheri | lamed: you should put some (but not much) load to the charger dc output before trying to measure it |
| 19:41:43 | lamed | what i've done was simply connecting it to the wall and reading it, setting the multimeter on "ACV 200" |
| 19:42:26 | lamed | the reading was... 11.1 |
| 19:42:31 | Slasheri | eh.. |
| 19:42:38 | Slasheri | Why did you set it to AC? |
| 19:42:48 | Slasheri | Where did you read that value? |
| 19:42:55 | lamed | i have no idea. why not? |
| 19:43:06 | lamed | (from the multimeter screen...) |
| 19:43:23 | pinkutank | because its dc |
| 19:43:25 | lamed | yes it should be dc |
| 19:43:29 | Slasheri | if you measured the dc jack, it gives dc voltage.. So with ac setting you have a very incorrect reading |
| 19:43:36 | lamed | :( |
| 19:43:43 | lamed | sec |
| 19:44:00 | pinkutank | why dont you just ask me the value |
| 19:44:06 | pinkutank | 5v |
| 19:44:16 | pinkutank | anything that charges from usb is 5v |
| 19:44:27 | lamed | yey. set to sc 200 : i get 5.5 sounds good..? |
| 19:44:34 | pinkutank | yes |
| 19:44:39 | Slasheri | lamed: it's on the safe margin |
| 19:44:40 | lamed | set to dcv |
| 19:44:41 | pinkutank | why do you need it tho |
| 19:45:08 | lamed | i'm trying to make the usb cable remamber..? and everyone has to know how to work with a multimeter eventually... |
| 19:45:14 | pinkutank | oh oh |
| 19:45:24 | pinkutank | no worries on usb output killing you iriver |
| 19:45:34 | lamed | of course there is! |
| 19:45:35 | pinkutank | most likely it would commit suicide before it did it |
| 19:45:44 | pinkutank | :) |
| 19:45:47 | pinkutank | but still most likely |
| 19:46:09 | pinkutank | myh 120 has a purple front and a green baCK |
| 19:46:17 | lamed | i've already done that (bricked my player) for 5 times for the first year i've had it. ever since that (1.5 year more) it hasn't even scratched. |
| 19:46:38 | pinkutank | HOW DID YOU BRICK IT |
| 19:46:41 | pinkutank | OOOPS |
| 19:46:44 | pinkutank | caps caps |
| 19:46:56 | lamed | WHAT? |
| 19:47:09 | pinkutank | i said how did you brick it |
| 19:47:29 | lamed | ah. i'm sorry, i couldn't hear you. |
| 19:47:35 | lamed | i'll find the log... |
| 19:48:15 | pinkutank | log? |
| 19:48:16 | lamed | does anyone knows if it's true you can't cut the data wires for the usb2 charger mod? |
| 19:48:21 | pinkutank | you log your brain? |
| 19:48:25 | lamed | (i've wrote a buglog) |
| 19:48:47 | lamed | (sent it to iriver, hoped they'll be nice to me) |
| 19:49:25 | pinkutank | and you goy lucky |
| 19:49:28 | pinkutank | 5 times? |
| 19:50:19 | lamed | damn. it's in hebrew. |
| 19:50:24 | lamed | lemme see. |
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| 19:54:03 | lamed | purchased: 12.2.03 (dang!~) |
| 19:54:22 | | Quit mashalla (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 19:54:36 | lamed | firmware upgrade failure 1.12.03 (a month later) |
| 19:55:09 | lamed | got a new player back (2.2.04) waiting period: a month |
| 19:56:46 | lamed | (3.~.04) main lcd screen being totally smached. the player was in a big bag of mine in the army, someone probebly fell over it. it was rapped up it towels... didn't helped. |
| 19:57:43 | lamed | (22.6.04) got my player back from repairs. 40 $ for shipping and 40 $ for repairing |
| 19:57:49 | pinkutank | ill build a shell out of titanium for you |
| 19:58:02 | pinkutank | and steel wired glass infront of lcd |
| 19:58:03 | lamed | 11.11.04 another bad firmware upgrage |
| 19:58:16 | pinkutank | how did you do those bad fw |
| 19:58:27 | hardeep | TiMiD: around? |
| 19:58:56 | lamed | (second one was because the company send it with the wrong firmware, of an H115!!!) |
| 19:59:33 | pinkutank | ermm |
| 19:59:39 | pinkutank | very interesting |
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| 20:00:08 | hshah | is it just me, or does the new cvs builds leave the bottom part of the lcd blank when viewing the tree |
| 20:00:10 | lamed | last firmware upgrage wasn't a hurdle, because they have returnd the player with a bad earphone connection, and an ihp140 panel.... |
| 20:00:49 | pinkutank | they have monkeys as technicals? |
| 20:01:46 | lamed | and yeah, they haven't seald the player back to place properly. |
| 20:02:30 | lamed | they are bad. bad people. they only know how to make technicly good players. |
| 20:03:03 | pinkutank | i opened up a h320 before |
| 20:03:09 | pinkutank | they are really well designed |
| 20:03:14 | pinkutank | and I mean really |
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| 20:04:52 | Kyl3 | Quick question: GBC roms on H300 only, or GBA roms too |
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| 20:05:03 | preglow | gba roms: forget it |
| 20:05:04 | | Join refranS [0] (n=rever@62-14-174-65.inversas.jazztel.es) |
| 20:05:21 | preglow | gbc roms: if you find someone to work on it |
| 20:05:50 | Kyl3 | I thought rockboy was in the h300 firmware gbc only? |
| 20:06:16 | preglow | why should it be? |
| 20:06:24 | Kyl3 | No reason |
| 20:06:32 | Kyl3 | I just thought it was |
| 20:06:37 | preglow | rockboy for h3x0 is currently the exact same as rockboy for h1x0 |
| 20:06:50 | Kyl3 | Oh so, .gbc roms work |
| 20:06:55 | Kyl3 | but .gba roms dont |
| 20:07:09 | preglow | well, if .gba is gameboy advance |
| 20:07:10 | preglow | the no |
| 20:07:18 | preglow | _then_ no |
| 20:07:25 | preglow | that's a completely different beast |
| 20:08:31 | preglow | i think gameboy advance uses a 16mhz arm7tdmi, which we'll be hard pressed to emulate |
| 20:11:54 | Kyl3 | aha |
| 20:14:50 | lamed | xaviergr here? |
| 20:15:47 | lamed | anyone tried opening up the rough looking usb connector? |
| 20:16:08 | lamed | i'm trying to short the data cables without re-soldering them. |
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| 20:29:18 | lamed | pinkutank? |
| 20:30:37 | lamed | pinkutank here? |
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| 20:44:46 | TiMiD | hardeep: yes I'm here |
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| 20:50:09 | hshah_ | TiMiD: referring to the forum post - ive always been using the same font |
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| 20:51:30 | TiMiD | and you just noticed this yesterday ? |
| 20:51:33 | | Join Bger_cgiirc [0] (n=538e15c7@labb.contactor.se) |
| 20:51:46 | TiMiD | because it's normal in some cases to have an empty line |
| 20:52:01 | Bger_cgiirc | preglow: http://www.work.de/nocash/gbatek.htm , maybe GBA on iPod ? :) |
| 20:52:06 | TiMiD | when the character height is bigger than the remaining space |
| 20:52:20 | hshah_ | ahh rite... well ive never noticed that space before.. |
| 20:52:30 | hshah_ | some of the latest cvs changes have moved the texts around |
| 20:52:46 | hshah_ | i had to update my wps bmp coz the text had moved |
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| 20:55:08 | TiMiD | yes |
| 20:55:45 | TiMiD | the font applied with some cfg files to fit the bundled wps is a little too big to fit in the last line ;) |
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| 20:57:06 | hshah_ | but whats that got to do with my wps and the xtal font which has always worked fine before? |
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| 20:58:31 | TiMiD | I don't know |
| 20:59:08 | TiMiD | I noticed that some fonts were a little too big long time before remote wps went into cvs |
| 20:59:19 | TiMiD | you used the same font without this line ? |
| 20:59:28 | hshah_ | yeah |
| 20:59:39 | hshah_ | i think... :s |
| 20:59:47 | hshah_ | coz ive never noticed this line before... |
| 20:59:54 | hshah_ | but it may be me being stupid... |
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| 21:00:09 | hshah_ | but the main thing is, why has the wps text moved up a bit? |
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| 21:00:29 | TiMiD | moved up ? |
| 21:00:34 | hshah_ | yeah |
| 21:00:38 | LinusN | it should have moved down |
| 21:00:38 | hardeep | TiMiD: Question about your yesno gui... i was wondering if there was any reason you didn't set the display text as scrolling? |
| 21:00:51 | hshah_ | i had to edit my bmp because the images were no longer in line with the text :s |
| 21:01:04 | TiMiD | hardeep: should I ? |
| 21:01:05 | hshah_ | mine moved up... |
| 21:01:09 | LinusN | i fixed som bugs in the wps parser |
| 21:01:19 | LinusN | hshah_: can i see your wps? |
| 21:01:19 | hshah_ | coz i had to move the volume image up a bit... |
| 21:01:31 | LinusN | a bit? |
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| 21:01:36 | LinusN | not a whole line? |
| 21:01:36 | hshah_ | LinusN - http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1874.0 |
| 21:01:41 | hshah_ | no, not a whole line |
| 21:01:42 | hardeep | TiMiD: I think it makes sense, especially now that we have so many different lcd screens to support |
| 21:01:49 | TiMiD | ok |
| 21:01:59 | TiMiD | it's not very hard to implement ;) |
| 21:01:59 | hshah_ | like a few squares, when editing at 800% in MS Paint |
| 21:02:09 | hardeep | TiMiD: cool, thanks |
| 21:02:28 | hshah_ | LinusN: i fixed the problem mentioned in that post by saving the file in unix format... |
| 21:02:32 | hshah_ | but other than that... |
| 21:02:43 | TiMiD | but currently, are there cases where the screen s not big enough ? |
| 21:02:53 | LinusN | TiMiD: of course |
| 21:03:21 | TiMiD | archos player ? |
| 21:03:24 | hardeep | the archos player screen is always the most troublesome |
| 21:03:28 | hardeep | 11 char limit |
| 21:03:29 | LinusN | different languages |
| 21:03:37 | LinusN | different fonts |
| 21:03:43 | TiMiD | because in the old code, there wern't scolling in those parts of the ocde |
| 21:03:54 | LinusN | TiMiD: also a bug |
| 21:04:00 | TiMiD | hehe :) |
| 21:04:16 | LinusN | in fact we should use a splash |
| 21:04:16 | hshah_ | im just curious why i had to change the bmp after using the same wps and same font since i started using rockbox 3 months ago... |
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| 21:04:27 | LinusN | hshah_: and the font? |
| 21:04:34 | hshah_ | xtal 14 |
| 21:05:01 | LinusN | i don't have the images |
| 21:05:01 | muesli_- | re |
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| 21:05:10 | hshah_ | u want me to upload the original bmp i used to use? |
| 21:05:20 | LinusN | yes |
| 21:05:32 | LinusN | the entire wps, as it was |
| 21:05:36 | hshah_ | hshah.bmp">http://www.warwickforums.co.uk/hshah.bmp |
| 21:06:09 | Bger_cgiirc | LinusN: congrats for h3x0 progress, i'm really amazed how quickly the things are moving last days |
| 21:06:12 | linuxstb | preglow: Are you still looking for me? |
| 21:06:23 | hshah_ | LinusN: the WPS quoted in the link is the WPS as it was... |
| 21:07:52 | preglow | LinusN: the data segment copy in crt0.S is only for when it's in flash, yes? |
| 21:07:53 | LinusN | hshah_: so i'll have to change it to CR/LF myself then |
| 21:07:53 | thegeek | XavierGr : yes, I had problems with audio |
| 21:08:01 | LinusN | preglow: no |
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| 21:08:11 | hshah_ | CR/LF? |
| 21:08:14 | thegeek | however my problems were caused by a hardware problem |
| 21:08:18 | LinusN | DOS line endings |
| 21:08:23 | hshah_ | probs |
| 21:08:27 | preglow | LinusN: oh? what other cases is it used for? |
| 21:08:34 | thegeek | a small smd resistor near the audio connector had a bad connection |
| 21:08:47 | hshah_ | actually LinusN - don;t bother... ill just make a new wps... im getting bored of the font anyway |
| 21:08:58 | thegeek | probably because I dropped my player with the plug still in, and it landed _on_ the plug, so that the pcb itself was "bent" |
| 21:09:10 | LinusN | preglow: we could in fact drop the copy |
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| 21:09:37 | preglow | linuxstb: i'm just wondering about use of 'cc' conditional in the bss zero loop in crt0.S, wont that entail that we'll zero one more element than we should? carry is clear when you compare two identical registers as well, yes? |
| 21:09:41 | LinusN | hshah_: i want to fix that bug |
| 21:09:53 | hshah_ | oh ok... |
| 21:10:06 | hshah_ | hopefully it is a bug and not me being a complete retard... lol |
| 21:10:22 | LinusN | if the line endings matter, it is a bug in rockbox |
| 21:10:29 | preglow | LinusN: well, i do see the use for it when .data is in flash |
| 21:10:47 | LinusN | and when you want to restart without reloading the image |
| 21:11:14 | LinusN | which actually were the case a long time ago |
| 21:11:28 | LinusN | but not anymore |
| 21:11:29 | preglow | true, but we don't keep a .data copy unless we are in flash? seems datacopy and databegin are usually equal |
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| 21:12:04 | preglow | hmm, ok |
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| 21:12:28 | LinusN | there should be a data copy... |
| 21:13:06 | LinusN | databegin? |
| 21:13:31 | LinusN | ah yes |
| 21:13:34 | LinusN | i remember now |
| 21:13:51 | LinusN | you are correct, the data and the copy are linked to the same address in RAM builds |
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| 21:14:08 | preglow | ok, 'cuz then i'll just omit it in the ipod crt0.S |
| 21:14:10 | preglow | we'll never run from flash |
| 21:14:24 | preglow | unless some insane person with a jtag interface connected goes at it |
| 21:14:28 | LinusN | i thought that about the iriver too... |
| 21:14:44 | preglow | LinusN: oh well, at least it's still valid for the bootloader, that might have some .data |
| 21:14:50 | LinusN | and some insane person *without* a jtag interface did it... :-) |
| 21:15:03 | preglow | LinusN: but not so for ipod bootloader |
| 21:15:08 | preglow | which will always run from ram |
| 21:15:14 | LinusN | true |
| 21:15:15 | preglow | again, unless etc, etc |
| 21:16:00 | linuxstb_ | preglow: I copied that code from ipodlinux, so I trust you if you think there are bugs. I'm not fluent in ARM yet. |
| 21:16:36 | preglow | in rockbox, the xxxend symbol is not inclusive, i think, so you're just meant copy/zero until that location |
| 21:16:41 | preglow | that might be different in linux code |
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| 21:18:19 | hshah_ | how can one add their wps into the source? |
| 21:18:26 | hshah_ | makes life so much easier :) |
| 21:18:40 | preglow | at least it seems so, since they use carry clear as condition for writing, and carry is clear even when curpos == xxxend |
| 21:18:53 | preglow | unless i'm acting the fool again |
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| 21:22:18 | tucoz | linuxstb: I am a little curious on how you cross compile the sims so that you can run them in wine. |
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| 21:23:27 | amiconn_ | hi |
| 21:23:51 | amiconn_ | (!) from a wireless connected linux box - finally :-) |
| 21:24:31 | tucoz | someone up there likes you, it seems. Never got it working myself |
| 21:25:21 | amiconn_ | Yeah, it was hours of searching documentation, the correct driver, getting them to compile etc pp |
| 21:26:01 | Maxime | wifi under linux :s |
| 21:26:06 | Maxime | what card amiconn? |
| 21:26:39 | Maxime | what chipset :x |
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| 21:26:53 | linuxstb_ | tucoz: You need to install the mingw cross-compiler. The Rockbox build scripts do the rest. |
| 21:27:24 | linuxstb_ | If you're running Debian, just do "apt-get install mingw32" |
| 21:27:31 | tucoz | linuxstb_: ok, thanks |
| 21:27:40 | Maxime` | amiconn_? |
| 21:28:11 | tucoz | linuxstb_: what about the mingw32-binutils/runtime. What are those? |
| 21:28:50 | tucoz | nice size of that package. 72Mb ;) |
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| 21:29:17 | amiconn_ | Maxime`: Level One PCI card (don't know exact type atm) |
| 21:29:30 | amiconn_ | Ralink RT2500 chipset (802.11g) |
| 21:29:35 | Maxime` | oh ! |
| 21:29:42 | Maxime` | you get it work? |
| 21:29:45 | amiconn_ | yup |
| 21:29:46 | LinusN | hshah_: your wps looks fine with xtal-14 |
| 21:29:51 | Maxime` | I have one rt2500 and one acx111 |
| 21:29:57 | LinusN | hshah_: are you sure you didn't have nimbus-14? |
| 21:29:59 | Maxime` | did'nt manage to make them work .. |
| 21:30:20 | amiconn_ | Fresh debian testing installation (kernel 2.6.12 for K7) |
| 21:30:23 | muesli_- | nimbus2000..harry loves it too ;) |
| 21:30:28 | Maxime` | or, it work, then hangs the system after few MB transfered |
| 21:30:33 | tucoz | linuxstb_: nevermind my last question, I found out. |
| 21:32:15 | amiconn_ | Maxime`: Card type is WNC-0301 |
| 21:32:26 | Maxime` | I had a MSI card |
| 21:32:31 | Maxime` | and a Netgear :x |
| 21:32:39 | Maxime` | MSI, rt2500 netgear, acx111 |
| 21:32:43 | amiconn_ | Running like a charm now... |
| 21:32:45 | Maxime` | on linux.. no way .. lol |
| 21:32:49 | tucoz | amiconn_: nice work on the h300 sim. |
| 21:32:58 | Maxime` | amiconn_: i skipped the idea of wifi on my linux box ^^ |
| 21:32:59 | amiconn_ | The hardest part was to find out how to get WPA working |
| 21:33:09 | amiconn_ | ...since there is no standard method in linux |
| 21:33:36 | amiconn_ | In case of RT2500 the driver itself handles WPA, but there's also wpa_supplicant |
| 21:33:51 | Maxime` | I'll stay with my old RJ45 cable ^^ |
| 21:36:02 | LinusN | hshah_: found and stomped on the bug |
| 21:36:12 | hshah_ | what was it? |
| 21:36:33 | LinusN | it triggered on a CR when it should only look for LF |
| 21:36:41 | hshah_ | ahh rite |
| 21:36:42 | hshah_ | cool |
| 21:36:44 | LinusN | so there was an empty line inserted |
| 21:36:48 | TiMiD | about per screen font |
| 21:37:08 | LinusN | hshah_: it looks perfect with xtal-14 |
| 21:37:24 | hshah_ | hmm... |
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| 21:37:42 | LinusN | sre you sure you didn't use nimbus-14? |
| 21:37:45 | Moos | LinusN: what do you think about multi font support? |
| 21:37:50 | hshah_ | yeah |
| 21:37:54 | TiMiD | woulnd't it be the time to switch high level drawing fn to multi-screenand unify low level with macros |
| 21:37:55 | LinusN | Moos: i want it |
| 21:38:04 | Moos | :) I did sure |
| 21:38:29 | LinusN | TiMiD: you mean lcd_puts & friends? |
| 21:38:35 | TiMiD | yes |
| 21:38:54 | LinusN | as long as the performance is the same... |
| 21:38:55 | TiMiD | high level fn would be slightly changed |
| 21:39:08 | TiMiD | and low level used with macros |
| 21:39:31 | Kyl3 | hey linus, this may sound stupid, but if im in Linux, can I download the source bleeding edge, and compile the bootloader for the h300 and install rockbox on it? (Im not going to do it but would that work) |
| 21:39:34 | TiMiD | display->put_pixel would become put_pixel(display) and would be a macro |
| 21:39:49 | LinusN | Kyl3: yes |
| 21:40:07 | TiMiD | display->puts would become puts(display, .. ) and would be a real fn |
| 21:40:08 | amiconn_ | TiMiD: How do you mean that? |
| 21:40:25 | LinusN | TiMiD: how would you do that? |
| 21:40:43 | Kyl3 | Really? Cool. Too bad I'd risk breaking my comp and bricking the player. |
| 21:40:45 | TiMiD | how would I do what ? |
| 21:41:11 | amiconn_ | reboot, brb |
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| 21:41:37 | dwihno | I'm reading stuff about ipod support in the cvs log... Are people actively working on this? |
| 21:42:01 | TiMiD | LinusN: put_pixel(display) would be a macro calling display->put_pixel |
| 21:42:07 | preglow | dwihno: me and linuxstb are |
| 21:42:43 | TiMiD | since it's a low level fn and it differs depending on the hardware |
| 21:43:10 | TiMiD | but high level fn like fonts and so on are the same for all plateforms |
| 21:44:14 | LinusN | TiMiD: afaik, put_pixel isn't involved in text drawing anyway |
| 21:44:35 | TiMiD | yes |
| 21:44:45 | LinusN | so it might be easier than you think |
| 21:44:47 | TiMiD | but it would make the whole lcd access uniform |
| 21:44:54 | TiMiD | to change all fn |
| 21:45:11 | LinusN | i agree |
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| 21:47:34 | preglow | if putpixel is involved in anything at all, perhaps with the exception of draw_line() or something, it's wildly inefficient |
| 21:48:44 | linuxstb_ | It's called drawpixel, and some of the plugins use it. |
| 21:48:59 | linuxstb_ | But you're right - it's probably horribly inefficient. |
| 21:49:11 | preglow | ahh, how i fondly remember frustrated people wondering why their putpixel() using drawing routines were so slow... |
| 21:49:50 | preglow | how i also don't at all miss the "what's the fastes possible putpixel" discussions of old |
| 21:49:53 | linuxstb_ | I use it in Sudoku to draw a dotted line on the Archos LCDs. |
| 21:50:09 | dwihno | preglow: so how are you guys progressing? |
| 21:50:21 | preglow | dwihno: slowly, but we'll see, i'm hoping to boot rockbox later tonight |
| 21:50:54 | preglow | amiconn_: how's you discussion with the gcc people faring? |
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| 21:51:49 | TiMiD | you mean setpixel ? |
| 21:51:53 | linuxstb_ | preglow: Any progress with interrupts, or is this just a basic crt0.S ? |
| 21:52:06 | preglow | linuxstb_: just a basic crt0, but i'm starting to figure things out |
| 21:53:41 | preglow | TiMiD: setpixel/putpixel/drawpixel/whatever, they're all names for the same thing |
| 21:54:16 | preglow | but now i've gotta go for a little while, bbl |
| 21:54:56 | dwihno | preglow: that soon? well, I wish you the best of luck :D |
| 21:55:01 | hshah_ | i think my iriver is complete now that rockbox has remote support... |
| 21:55:17 | TiMiD | not full remote support |
| 21:55:19 | hshah_ | actually... hmm... no... all that it needs now is to be able to use different fonts for the iriver and the remote |
| 21:55:23 | TiMiD | lot of things remains to be done |
| 21:55:26 | hshah_ | well its got nearly everything there |
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| 21:55:48 | hshah_ | as long as i can see the song name on the screen im happy :) |
| 21:56:07 | TiMiD | hmm |
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| 21:56:17 | hshah_ | what r the dimensions for the rwps bmp? |
| 21:56:24 | linuxstb_ | If anyone in London is looking for a H140, I saw one in a shop today. |
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| 21:56:51 | TiMiD | well LinusN is it ok for you to move all high level drawing code to the application layer ? |
| 21:58:00 | LinusN | TiMiD: you have my blessing as long as it doesn't hurt performance |
| 21:58:12 | LinusN | TiMiD: how does the multiscreen work for the plugins? |
| 21:58:23 | amiconn_ | What do you mean with high-level drawing functions? |
| 21:58:36 | LinusN | amiconn_: lcd_puts() etc |
| 21:58:43 | amiconn_ | hmm. |
| 21:59:02 | amiconn_ | I'm not sure whether this is a good idea |
| 21:59:16 | amiconn_ | How do you intend to handle e.g. scrolling? |
| 21:59:33 | TiMiD | LinusN: for the plugins, it's not ported yet |
| 21:59:42 | amiconn_ | If you don't want to overcomplicate things, you need one thread per display |
| 21:59:52 | TiMiD | amiconn_: scrolling is high level isn't it |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:03 | amiconn_ | It's not |
| 22:00:11 | amiconn_ | Scrolling runs in a separate thread |
| 22:00:17 | amiconn_ | It has to |
| 22:00:21 | hshah_ | when skipping tracks now, it shows the file name b4 showing the id3 info |
| 22:00:28 | TiMiD | I know it's threaded |
| 22:00:44 | TiMiD | but I don't see the problem |
| 22:00:53 | TiMiD | you can have application level threads |
| 22:01:12 | amiconn_ | Scrolling can't be highlevel because it depends on the display properties |
| 22:01:33 | hshah_ | ie if the file name is Test - Test 2.mp3 it will show that as the track name, and then it will change to show Test as the artist and Test 2 as the track name... |
| 22:01:36 | amiconn_ | It will even more depend on that as soon as we handle attributes |
| 22:02:02 | amiconn_ | That's a big drawback atm - you can't scroll a gray and a black line of text |
| 22:02:40 | TiMiD | I don't seelow level code in the scrolling code |
| 22:03:19 | hshah_ | hmm... mebbe this is happening in my wps coz i have a %fn in there... lol |
| 22:03:49 | hshah_ | but it never happened b4 |
| 22:03:49 | tucoz | hshah, even if there is other info in the id3? |
| 22:04:13 | tucoz | hshah, nah, that is because Slasheri implemented that just a few days ago. |
| 22:04:43 | hshah_ | oh rite |
| 22:04:46 | hshah_ | its a bit annoying |
| 22:05:10 | TiMiD | amiconn_: could you explain why scrolling has to be in kernel level ? |
| 22:05:15 | | Part tucoz |
| 22:05:43 | Slasheri | hshah_: that's because at the moment we don't have real id3 tag information available |
| 22:06:01 | Slasheri | of course we could try to parse the filename better but that will be hard |
| 22:06:06 | hshah_ | how did it do it b4? |
| 22:06:08 | Slasheri | The real information is displayed as soon as it is available |
| 22:06:23 | Slasheri | hshah_: before there was a huge delay |
| 22:06:32 | Slasheri | Now it's instant and that is the cost for it |
| 22:06:34 | amiconn_ | TiMiD: Scrolling accesses internal variables of the driver, e.g. the scrolling_lines flags |
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| 22:06:55 | hshah_ | fair enough |
| 22:07:17 | | Part len0x |
| 22:07:23 | hshah_ | if u wait like 10 secs b4 u change to the next track, it doesn't do it on the next one... |
| 22:07:31 | hshah_ | it only does it when u skip quickly |
| 22:07:40 | amiconn_ | ...and with the addition of attributes, the scroll code will differ depending on the lcd depth etc |
| 22:07:52 | TiMiD | amiconn_: and why would scrolling_lines be an internal var ? |
| 22:07:59 | TiMiD | I mean |
| 22:08:16 | TiMiD | it's not drier related since it's only used by scroll |
| 22:08:28 | LinusN | amiconn: as i see it, it should be possible to have a generic scrolling thread |
| 22:08:34 | TiMiD | and lcd_clear_display |
| 22:08:43 | TiMiD | LinusN: taht was the idea |
| 22:08:52 | LinusN | yes |
| 22:09:18 | amiconn_ | LinusN: A generic scrolling thread would be much more complicated than one scrolling thread per display |
| 22:09:41 | amiconn_ | Both displays can have different scroll speeds |
| 22:10:06 | LinusN | amiconn: i mean moving the threads from the lcd driver to the app code |
| 22:10:54 | amiconn_ | Hmm. I'm still not convinced |
| 22:10:55 | TiMiD | yes 2 threads |
| 22:11:24 | TiMiD | 1 thread would be more complicated and more cpu-time consuming |
| 22:11:55 | LinusN | amiconn: for example, the scroll_thread for lcd-recorder and lcd-h100 are *very* similar |
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| 22:12:31 | TiMiD | amiconn_: the thing tht bothers me with the current state is that lot of code is just c'n'p from other lcd-* files |
| 22:12:38 | LinusN | exactly |
| 22:12:41 | amiconn_ | LinusN: They are *now* |
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| 22:14:31 | TiMiD | amiconn: if something that has to be app level one day on one platform has to be to kernel level, nothing prevents us to handle it, app code would just call kernel code optimized for this task |
| 22:14:47 | TiMiD | and generic code would be used otherwise |
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| 22:20:26 | San | lol |
| 22:20:29 | San | i like the topic |
| 22:20:30 | San | :P |
| 22:20:59 | TiMiD | haha I never noticed |
| 22:24:50 | TiMiD | amiconn: are you dead ? |
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| 22:30:12 | lamed | xaviergr: here? |
| 22:32:12 | lamed | guys, is rockbox running on ipod...? no, right? the table on http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml states no errors. |
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| 22:41:49 | LinusN | lamed: that table doesn't tell if it works or not, only that the code can be compiled |
| 22:43:07 | amiconn | TiMiD: Back now |
| 22:43:40 | amiconn | TiMiD: Btw, few days ago when I was playing with the h300 sim, there was a bug in synclist |
| 22:44:01 | amiconn | Sometimes when returning to the list, the cursor ended up outside the visible area |
| 22:44:08 | amiconn | (two lines down) |
| 22:44:48 | amiconn | Moving further down didn't change it, moving up brought back the cursor after 2 steps |
| 22:45:10 | amiconn | Wahh, who broke 'follow playlist'! :-(( |
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| 22:47:28 | TiMiD | perhaps me |
| 22:47:40 | TiMiD | if it's in viewer code |
| 22:47:49 | amiconn | It still works when stopping playback, but not when the playlist ends |
| 22:48:11 | amiconn | In the latter case the browser used to be at the last played file. |
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| 22:48:25 | amiconn | Now it ends up in the root :-( |
| 22:48:25 | TiMiD | haa |
| 22:48:42 | TiMiD | nothing to do with my job I guess |
| 22:49:08 | TiMiD | about the synclist bug, was it after a font change ? |
| 22:49:14 | amiconn | no |
| 22:49:18 | TiMiD | I mean how to reproduce it |
| 22:49:24 | amiconn | It was after returning from a plugin |
| 22:49:35 | amiconn | When I tried today I was unable to reproduce it |
| 22:49:46 | amiconn | Font was xtal-14, in the h300 win32 sim |
| 22:50:45 | TiMiD | if you are able to reproduce it, please tell me |
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| 22:51:30 | linuxstb__ | After the next build, we should have a nice green line all the way across the top of the build table. It's been a long time... |
| 22:51:43 | amiconn | TiMiD: Now I could reproduce it |
| 22:53:23 | TiMiD | only when returning from a plugin ? |
| 22:54:00 | amiconn | Yes. 'star' definitely causes it |
| 22:54:23 | linuxstb__ | amiconn: If I understand what you've been saying about scrolling, you want to keep separate copies of the scrolling code in the three bitmap lcd drivers? |
| 22:54:44 | TiMiD | ok |
| 22:55:01 | TiMiD | when I will be able to build again I will investigate |
| 22:56:16 | amiconn | linuxstb__: The scrolling code is quite similar between the drivers now, because it lacks the important ability to keep attributes per scrolling line |
| 22:57:04 | amiconn | This makes colour support in wps impossible, so it has to be added |
| 22:57:11 | hardeep | amiconn: what device are you seeing the follow playlist bug? It worked fine for me on the h120 |
| 22:57:19 | amiconn | h140 |
| 22:57:41 | amiconn | follow playlist works when stopping a resumed playlist, but not when a resumed playlist ends |
| 22:57:52 | TiMiD | amiconn: scrolling lines could have attributes, per device |
| 22:58:05 | TiMiD | with a struct scrolling line |
| 22:58:24 | TiMiD | and attributes present or not trought #ifdefs |
| 22:58:27 | amiconn | Yes, but 1 bit lcds will have less attributes than 2bit and higer |
| 22:58:58 | amiconn | #ifdefs don't solve the differences between the LCDs |
| 22:59:04 | hardeep | amiconn: dircache on or off? |
| 22:59:08 | amiconn | on |
| 22:59:42 | amiconn | e.g. the h1x0 main lcd is 2bit, the remote lcd is monochrome |
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| 23:00:20 | TiMiD | and ? |
| 23:00:31 | amiconn | The structure could contain the additional attributes as soon as one of the lcds need it, but that creates additional problems as the high level code must handle the differences |
| 23:00:38 | TiMiD | we could just have a color attribute |
| 23:00:49 | amiconn | Did you see my comment regarding screen-access.[ch] ? |
| 23:00:53 | TiMiD | yes |
| 23:01:07 | amiconn | That's a similar thing |
| 23:01:20 | TiMiD | you removed charcell remote (which wasn't a bad idea hehe) |
| 23:01:29 | amiconn | Not only |
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| 23:01:44 | amiconn | I mean the comment regarding certain combinations |
| 23:02:07 | TiMiD | I see |
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| 23:02:29 | TiMiD | that's why I put a depth atribute in the screen struct |
| 23:02:44 | TiMiD | to handle the remote lack of set_background |
| 23:02:45 | amiconn | Yes, but it's not checked everywhere |
| 23:03:35 | amiconn | You set unused fn ptrs to NULL, but nothing prevents app code from calling them |
| 23:04:07 | TiMiD | the app code I changed checked for that |
| 23:04:24 | TiMiD | but now that wehave a lcd_remote_set_background |
| 23:04:34 | amiconn | We don't |
| 23:04:37 | TiMiD | it's not useful to check for that |
| 23:04:55 | amiconn | I just fixed the #ifdef |
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| 23:05:19 | amiconn | lcd_remote_set_background only exists for remote lcd depths > 1 |
| 23:05:28 | amiconn | ...which we don't have yet |
| 23:05:49 | TiMiD | but it exists even if it does nothing isn't it ? |
| 23:06:00 | amiconn | No, it doesn't exist |
| 23:06:00 | TiMiD | since you can get a pointer on it ... |
| 23:06:06 | TiMiD | screen->set_background=&lcd_remote_set_background; |
| 23:06:15 | amiconn | Did you check the #ifdef? |
| 23:06:22 | amiconn | That's what I fixed |
| 23:06:37 | TiMiD | hmm |
| 23:06:39 | amiconn | #if LCD_REMOTE_DEPTH > 1 |
| 23:06:42 | TiMiD | I see |
| 23:06:56 | amiconn | That's false for all currently supported remotes |
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| 23:07:25 | amiconn | Btw, this very function will also become the most problematic when there will ever be a non-monochrome remote |
| 23:07:29 | TiMiD | but the app code has to check for the depth of the screen it's writing on |
| 23:07:34 | amiconn | (greyscale or colour) |
| 23:07:53 | amiconn | ...since the pixel formats are most likely different |
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| 23:10:02 | TiMiD | more over than that h300 has both monochrome and color display |
| 23:10:14 | TiMiD | that what sounds the most problematic to me |
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| 23:12:26 | amiconn | The h300 colour/monochrome combos is no more (and no less) problematic than the h1x0 greyscale/monochrome combo |
| 23:12:48 | TiMiD | it is because the fn won't be the same |
| 23:12:53 | amiconn | Colours handling is no different from greyscale |
| 23:12:57 | TiMiD | the prototype |
| 23:12:58 | amiconn | The fn is the same |
| 23:14:04 | TiMiD | I don't know how greyscale is handled ... |
| 23:14:04 | amiconn | That was one reason why I changed colour lcd handling to use packed rgb values instead of struct rgb |
| 23:14:26 | amiconn | struct rgb is no more, all pixel values are unsigned it now |
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| 23:15:08 | TiMiD | hmm |
| 23:15:10 | TiMiD | I see |
| 23:15:15 | amiconn | That was a few days ago... |
| 23:15:38 | TiMiD | before each change of color you chnage the foreground |
| 23:15:48 | TiMiD | then apply the drawing fn |
| 23:17:19 | amiconn | linuxstb__: Is there a reason why current_tick has to be signed on ipod? |
| 23:19:07 | TiMiD | amiconn: with packed rgb, no problem then, the API remains the same |
| 23:19:34 | amiconn | Yes, as long as only one lcd is greyscale or colour, and the other stays monochrome |
| 23:21:56 | TiMiD | what the problem with 2 color lcd ? |
| 23:22:23 | TiMiD | or 1 greyscale and 1 color |
| 23:22:40 | amiconn | If the pixel formats are different, screen->set_background(LCD_WHITE); will only be correct for the main screen |
| 23:22:42 | Kyl3 | o wow |
| 23:22:50 | Kyl3 | the new build is perfect |
| 23:23:06 | amiconn | since LCD_WHITE will be different from LCD_REMOTE_WHITE |
| 23:23:49 | Kyl3 | Since its perfect that means we'll have a relese REALLY soon eh? |
| 23:24:02 | amiconn | It's far from perfect |
| 23:24:06 | TiMiD | yes, but that's the app job to handle this |
| 23:24:18 | amiconn | Yes, but how? |
| 23:24:30 | TiMiD | maybe some fn that would convert a standard format to the lcd format |
| 23:24:38 | amiconn | hmm. |
| 23:24:39 | Kyl3 | well. i mean perfect as in no bugd |
| 23:24:42 | Kyl3 | bugs* |
| 23:24:51 | TiMiD | rgb(display, r,g,b) |
| 23:25:11 | TiMiD | gray(display, gray_val) |
| 23:25:23 | LinusN | Kyl3: i'm sure there are plenty of bugs |
| 23:25:40 | Kyl3 | ok then |
| 23:25:47 | Kyl3 | compiling errors |
| 23:26:07 | amiconn | TiMiD: I suppose this rgb() would be present only when there is at least one colour lcd |
| 23:26:14 | TiMiD | hmm |
| 23:26:21 | amiconn | That leaves us with a ton of interdependency problems |
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| 23:26:46 | amiconn | Like, this function has to be implemented at the driver level, because it's the driver that knows the format |
| 23:26:49 | TiMiD | maybe it could convert it to grayscale when the given display is gray |
| 23:26:59 | amiconn | Yes it can |
| 23:27:25 | TiMiD | and to monochrome format for monochrome lcd XD |
| 23:27:40 | amiconn | But, the thing is that e.g. rgb() has to be implemented in a greyscale remote lcd driver when the main display is colour, but not when the main lcd is greyscale (or mono) |
| 23:28:28 | amiconn | Perhaps that can be handled at the app level though |
| 23:28:32 | TiMiD | yes of cours it's per display |
| 23:29:10 | amiconn | A greyscale driver would implement gray(), and a colour driver would implement rgb() |
| 23:29:13 | TiMiD | since it depends of the lcd internal sructure, it must be handled by the driver |
| 23:29:33 | amiconn | Then the app layer would implement rgb() for any greyscale lcd in a colour-capable device |
| 23:29:41 | amiconn | ...by calling gray() itself |
| 23:30:23 | TiMiD | yes 2 layer would be good |
| 23:30:37 | TiMiD | a driver that just converts to the lcd format |
| 23:30:59 | amiconn | Perhaps, but certainly not for cutting code size... |
| 23:31:09 | TiMiD | and an application layer that converts between rgb, grey and monochrome then calls the display |
| 23:31:13 | amiconn | Anyway, this is a future problem |
| 23:31:18 | TiMiD | hehe |
| 23:31:31 | amiconn | For monochrome there is no conversion necessary |
| 23:31:49 | amiconn | Monochrome fg and bg 'colours' are fixed |
| 23:31:53 | TiMiD | since there isn't lcd_set_foreground/background in h300 display driver :) |
| 23:32:02 | amiconn | There is |
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| 23:32:27 | TiMiD | but if I want to use rgb format on a monochrome display ... |
| 23:32:37 | amiconn | ?? |
| 23:32:53 | linuxstb | amiconn: No, I just changed current_tick to be signed to be consistent with the rest of Rockbox. |
| 23:33:01 | amiconn | ? |
| 23:33:05 | TiMiD | we can describe Black or white with rgb |
| 23:33:12 | amiconn | current_tick is unsigned in all other ports |
| 23:33:43 | linuxstb | No it isn't. |
| 23:33:51 | linuxstb | In kernel.c it's defined as "long". |
| 23:33:56 | amiconn | TiMiD: Yes, but why should we? It would only increase code size for no benefit |
| 23:33:59 | TiMiD | it's just a matter of converting it to b&w and then to pass the virtual b&w value to the driver that will convert it to the lcd format |
| 23:34:28 | TiMiD | amiconn: applications on the H300 could use rgb for both screens |
| 23:34:29 | amiconn | linuxstb: Hmm, you're right |
| 23:34:41 | LinusN | what a nice bug |
| 23:34:43 | linuxstb | I kept meaning to ask why it is signed. |
| 23:35:04 | amiconn | TiMiD: Yes, but why?????? |
| 23:35:09 | amiconn | Wasting code? |
| 23:35:26 | TiMiD | no |
| 23:35:29 | amiconn | yes |
| 23:35:38 | TiMiD | using the same code to handle different displays |
| 23:35:53 | amiconn | Yes, and wasting code on monochrome-only devices |
| 23:36:27 | linuxstb | TiMiD: The big advantage of using RGBPACK is to do the packing at compile-time instead of runtime. |
| 23:36:53 | amiconn | I agree that we could have a 3-level colour setting scheme, based on the highest level the device supports (colour->grey->mono) |
| 23:37:16 | amiconn | The functions wouldn't exist at all when the device is monochrome only (archos) |
| 23:37:39 | amiconn | For greyscale devices (h1x0) onyl the greyscale level would exist |
| 23:38:22 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes, but that approach doesn't work when the formats are different per screen |
| 23:39:00 | TiMiD | it could work if we rewrite the apps twice (which is a very bad idea) |
| 23:39:34 | amiconn | Of course. This is how it was before the multi-screen routines |
| 23:40:23 | amiconn | To clarify, I'm not against multi-screen support, I just want to point out possible problems, and preferably find a solution |
| 23:40:36 | amiconn | ...which works ok, isn't dirty, and doesn't waste resources |
| 23:41:31 | TiMiD | well even on monochrome devices, a dummy rgb that would look at r,g,b and return "white" if 255,255,255 is given, blach otherwise |
| 23:42:06 | amiconn | That's something I would like to avoid |
| 23:42:22 | amiconn | It would add quite some code to the drawing routines |
| 23:42:26 | TiMiD | I assume this shouldn't increase the code size |
| 23:42:43 | TiMiD | uh ? |
| 23:43:13 | TiMiD | it's just a if , a else an 2 returns |
| 23:43:23 | TiMiD | for monochrome displays |
| 23:43:34 | TiMiD | with this, everything is rgb |
| 23:43:35 | amiconn | They currently assume background is always white and foreground is always black |
| 23:44:53 | amiconn | Changing that would definitely increase code size |
| 23:45:17 | TiMiD | if we don't handle this, we have 2 choices |
| 23:45:39 | TiMiD | 1/ dummy set forground/background for monochrome lcd |
| 23:46:15 | TiMiD | 2/ test at application level the screen depth (what I did, but which is maybe not a good idea) |
| 23:47:02 | amiconn | I'd vote for (1), in app layer, and only present if at least one display is 'higher' than monochrome |
| 23:47:30 | amiconn | Same goes for colour->greyscale conversion |
| 23:48:22 | TiMiD | this would add ifdefs |
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| 23:50:42 | amiconn | Yes, but this way we will get the smallest possible code size on all devices |
| 23:51:42 | amiconn | An empty function is really tiny, but if it's called a lot this will still increase the code size. |
| 23:52:02 | amiconn | The caller would still set up the parameters and perform the call |
| 23:52:42 | amiconn | That's similar to how the FOR_NB_SCREENS() macro saved almost 1KB on archos |
| 23:53:05 | TiMiD | kevin@harkonnen ~/rockbox-devel $ grep -r "set_background" *|wc |
| 23:53:05 | TiMiD | 18 46 1220 |
| 23:53:05 | TiMiD | kevin@harkonnen ~/rockbox-devel $ grep -r "set_foreground" *|wc |
| 23:53:05 | TiMiD | 28 70 2069 |
| 23:53:22 | amiconn | ? |
| 23:53:53 | TiMiD | total calls to set_background and set_foreground in the whole code is under 46 |
| 23:54:20 | TiMiD | if we are talking about the same thing, do you think it worse it ? |
| 23:54:58 | amiconn | I guess this would add roughly 1KB on archos |
| 23:56:21 | amiconn | It means 46 times loading the parameter, the function address, saving the scratch registers(!) and call the function |
| 23:57:43 | TiMiD | if we can do this without hurting the code lisibility too much, like you did with FOR_NB_SCREENS, I totally agree |
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| 23:58:50 | amiconn | I think we can, perhaps with similar macro magic |
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