| 00:00:09 | TiMiD | I don't know |
| 00:00:10 | pinkutank | im not really into drama like manga |
| 00:00:13 | pinkutank | anime |
| 00:00:21 | XavierGr | pinkutank? |
| 00:00:23 | pinkutank | i like surreal stuff |
| 00:00:29 | pinkutank | hmm let me think |
| 00:00:34 | XavierGr | yes anime title |
| 00:00:35 | pinkutank | it may be cowboy beop |
| 00:00:42 | pinkutank | it got me in this after all |
| 00:00:45 | pinkutank | its movie |
| 00:00:52 | pinkutank | it has a really good movie |
| 00:00:54 | TiMiD | there are many differenst animes I like |
| 00:01:01 | pinkutank | gits 1 is good |
| 00:01:01 | XavierGr | I have seen the movie but not the eps |
| 00:01:35 | pinkutank | lol, you know the spike kinda character, one in every anime? |
| 00:01:44 | pinkutank | spike is identical to me |
| 00:01:50 | pinkutank | visually |
| 00:01:55 | pinkutank | but I dont smoke |
| 00:01:56 | TiMiD | atm, "mahoraba" is a good anime, it's funny |
| 00:01:57 | XavierGr | character or appearance? |
| 00:01:59 | XavierGr | oh |
| 00:02:30 | pinkutank | a bit like L from death note, something between spike and l |
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| 00:08:14 | DreamTactix291 | i haven't seen mahoraba |
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| 00:09:17 | pinkutank | i gotta do some physics homework |
| 00:10:11 | pinkutank | on electric |
| 00:10:30 | DreamTactix291 | electricity is cool |
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| 00:13:11 | preglow | someone please give me a clue |
| 00:13:29 | Bagder | sorry, I have none |
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| 00:15:52 | preglow | i love digging out scraps of code from huge programs |
| 00:15:57 | preglow | programs/oses |
| 00:17:33 | pinkutank | what are you trying to dig |
| 00:17:55 | Cassandra | Hmm - now that we have status bar setting in themes, do you think we should remove the setting from the generated "theme"? |
| 00:18:11 | Cassandra | erm, in WPS, I mean? |
| 00:18:14 | preglow | interrupt controller code |
| 00:18:24 | pinkutank | what is the themes setting btw |
| 00:18:30 | pinkutank | couldnt get it yet |
| 00:18:37 | pinkutank | it shows up empty dempty |
| 00:18:48 | Cassandra | themes is just a quick way to load a wps and rwps at the same time. |
| 00:19:05 | pinkutank | i dont have a remote :) |
| 00:19:07 | Cassandra | You running on Archos? No-one's submitted an archos theme yet? |
| 00:19:16 | pinkutank | iriver |
| 00:19:29 | pinkutank | bleeding edges dont contain themes |
| 00:19:44 | Cassandra | Then you should have themes in your theme directory, you're somehow not unpacking the zip correctly. |
| 00:20:55 | pinkutank | bleeding edge doesnt contain wps and themes |
| 00:23:51 | Cassandra | Erm, yes it does. I just downloaded it to check. |
| 00:24:06 | Cassandra | If you're building your own, then you need to check out the cvs WPS module. |
| 00:24:28 | Cassandra | (and not claim to be running a bleeding edge build - that's a CVS build.) |
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| 00:27:13 | JdGordon | morning all |
| 00:27:23 | JdGordon | anything interesting happen while i was int he land of nod? |
| 00:28:09 | preglow | no wonder kernel hackers are mad |
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| 00:34:03 | Cassandra | Anyone know where read() lives? |
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| 00:36:01 | Cassandra | Ah - firmware/common/file.c |
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| 00:39:30 | Cassandra | Hmmm. Any good reason why we don't return EOF from readwrite() if we have an end of file condition? |
| 00:40:50 | LinusN | EOF? isn't that a stdio thing? |
| 00:41:28 | Cassandra | Erm, could be. How're you supposed to detect an attempt to read past EOF then? |
| 00:42:27 | LinusN | it returns less than the bytes you requested |
| 00:42:58 | LinusN | 0 means end-of-file |
| 00:43:26 | LinusN | man 2 read |
| 00:43:46 | Cassandra | Ah, right. Good oh. |
| 00:43:54 | Cassandra | Just looking there actually. |
| 00:44:07 | preglow | any arm people here? :/ |
| 00:44:39 | Cassandra | I've got two, I use them for typing. |
| 00:44:59 | LinusN | preglow: no, i'm more of a leg guy :-P |
| 00:45:18 | Cassandra | Shit puns, now in glorious stereo. |
| 00:45:27 | LinusN | bad jokes, baaaad jokes |
| 00:45:42 | LinusN | shame on us |
| 00:45:47 | DreamTactix291 | lol |
| 00:46:21 | preglow | if i hadn't seen it coming, i might have died laughing |
| 00:46:42 | markun | LinusN: Can you spot the place where the BDM connects to? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/GigabeatInfo/5.jpg |
| 00:46:55 | preglow | bdm? wouldn't that use jtag or something? |
| 00:47:14 | markun | yes, jtag |
| 00:47:29 | preglow | besides, they don't always include a debug port |
| 00:47:29 | markun | thought it was just a different name |
| 00:47:37 | preglow | nah, it's a different standard |
| 00:47:42 | preglow | bdm is a motorola thing |
| 00:48:43 | LinusN | markun: like preglow says, it may not have a debug connector |
| 00:49:02 | LinusN | yuck, a bga cpu... |
| 00:49:39 | XavierGr | LinusN: I wanted to talk about the radio fmr preset handling if you have time. |
| 00:49:50 | LinusN | what about it? |
| 00:49:59 | XavierGr | I talked to Anton and he said to me to make a patch that touches only radio.c |
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| 00:50:25 | XavierGr | well I tried again, but obviously this can't be done via normal ways. |
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| 00:50:49 | XavierGr | For one thing fmr files must respond like langs fonts and wps |
| 00:51:09 | XavierGr | so that means another filtype (like in my first patch) fmr |
| 00:52:16 | XavierGr | settings.c and settings.h also must be added with a little code to remember last user file |
| 00:52:23 | JdGordon | how much ram does the h300's have? |
| 00:53:00 | LinusN | XavierGr: why must they behave like font and wps files? |
| 00:53:12 | LinusN | JdGordon: 32mb |
| 00:53:39 | JdGordon | how much is free after ockbox fiishes loading? |
| 00:54:17 | LinusN | 30mb or so |
| 00:54:18 | XavierGr | LinusN: to browse a specific folder, for the user to see fmr files, I will need to call rockbox_browse(path, show file handler) |
| 00:54:32 | * | preglow kicks the interrupt controller |
| 00:54:40 | XavierGr | this means that I need to make a SHOW_FMR type |
| 00:55:02 | LinusN | ah yes, if we want to use rockbox_browse |
| 00:55:04 | XavierGr | also settings must have a new entry (like wps) to store the last file |
| 00:55:33 | XavierGr | But I see no point rejecting the usual tasks for current filetypes |
| 00:55:42 | XavierGr | the code to be added is very small |
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| 00:56:37 | XavierGr | I can understand that you may don't want the user to load radio from a file. |
| 00:56:41 | XavierGr | so we can keep this |
| 00:57:35 | XavierGr | but if we want to store last fmr file and have a wps-alike browse, then I must make some changes outside radio.c |
| 00:58:31 | XavierGr | changes == to add code for a new filetype |
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| 01:00:53 | LinusN | XavierGr: i wonder if we really want the selected file to be the "active" file, or just copy the contents of the file to the preset file |
| 01:01:06 | LinusN | i think i want the latter |
| 01:01:38 | LinusN | because i don't want to destroy a preset file by, for example, doing an autoscan |
| 01:01:44 | XavierGr | ah so you mean to have a default file and store there contents of fmr files? |
| 01:01:54 | LinusN | yes |
| 01:02:06 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:02:21 | LinusN | and of course be able to save the preset file to a named preset file |
| 01:02:24 | XavierGr | well the autoscan example can be easilly avoided |
| 01:02:44 | XavierGr | I have a clear preset list option which can't really delete the current preset file |
| 01:03:22 | LinusN | ?? |
| 01:04:50 | XavierGr | I mean that the autoscan feature can easily be changed not to interfere with the current preset file,(so that it will be safe, and can't delete user's file) |
| 01:05:07 | LinusN | where would it save the presets then? |
| 01:05:16 | linuxstb | LinusN: I agree. It's the same as the .cfg files not becoming "active" when you select them. |
| 01:05:43 | XavierGr | you make the autoscan |
| 01:05:49 | XavierGr | the previous file is not changed |
| 01:06:05 | XavierGr | then you select save new preset list and you have a new file with the autoscan |
| 01:06:13 | amiconn | LinusN: Did you see my idea of splitting some config #defines in a feature and an implementation part? Backlight in this case; read back at ~22:50. linuxstb had similar thoughts concerning ipod button handling... |
| 01:07:02 | XavierGr | if not then the autoscan is lost |
| 01:07:11 | ashridah | is it just me, or does rolo not work with the new rockbox.iriver location? |
| 01:07:14 | preglow | gahh |
| 01:07:26 | preglow | the main cpu and coprocessor must be clocked at the same speed for ipod :/// |
| 01:08:18 | LinusN | ashridah: rockbox.iriver hasn't moved |
| 01:08:35 | linuxstb | preglow: I think the cop can be run at half the speed of the main cpu. |
| 01:08:41 | ashridah | LinusN: except in my case, where i moved it to .rockbox/ ? :) |
| 01:08:47 | preglow | linuxstb: i'd rather it was the other way around |
| 01:08:54 | LinusN | why wouldn't rolo work? |
| 01:09:03 | preglow | of course, nothing keeps us from using the main cpu as the codec cpu... |
| 01:09:15 | ashridah | LinusN: not sure. it just didn't detect any changes to rockbox.iriver |
| 01:09:19 | linuxstb | preglow: I agree. |
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| 01:09:36 | Cassandra | I'm having a brain fart - remind me how to switch buffers in emacs, someone, please? |
| 01:09:38 | LinusN | ashridah: that has nothing to do with rolo working or not |
| 01:09:57 | preglow | linuxstb: but of course, it probably doesn't matter too much, since we can send the cop to sleep whenever we want |
| 01:10:07 | ashridah | LinusN: okay, it could just have not noticed the new file, i suppose. |
| 01:10:07 | LinusN | crtl-x ctrl-b? |
| 01:10:12 | Cassandra | Ta. |
| 01:10:38 | amiconn | preglow: Is it possible to send the main cpu to sleep reversibly, i.e. will an interrupt wake it up again? |
| 01:10:50 | LinusN | ashridah: the check for updated rockbox.iriver is not updated though, since rockbox.iriver hasn't moved yet |
| 01:11:19 | amiconn | The check for updated firmware file isn't reliable anyway |
| 01:11:20 | ashridah | LinusN: aah, so you're only checking both locations in the bootloader for now. gotchya |
| 01:11:27 | LinusN | amiconn: no |
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| 01:12:14 | ashridah | LinusN: but yeah, i've already moved my rockbox.iriver into .rockbox, which is why i'm asking. i know rockbox.zip hasn't changed yet |
| 01:12:50 | LinusN | we will make that change eventually, but we'll wait for bootloader v6 to hit the shelves so to speak |
| 01:13:23 | * | amiconn already runs bootloader v6 |
| 01:13:30 | LinusN | i do too :-) |
| 01:13:44 | LinusN | amiconn: i think the macro idea is good |
| 01:14:08 | preglow | amiconn: i don't yet know if it's such a sleep we're talking about |
| 01:14:28 | preglow | amiconn: all i know is it's possible to lull the cop to sleep when you want, as well as wake it |
| 01:14:34 | amiconn | I'm thinking about having a general HAVE_BACKLIGHT and keeping CONFIG_BACKLIGHT for implementation details |
| 01:14:47 | amiconn | I'm somewhat heading towards backlight simulation... |
| 01:15:09 | LinusN | yeah, saw the logs |
| 01:16:47 | XavierGr | LinusN: So do you want me to drop entirely the wps-approach? We can discuss this to the mailing list too to see what the other devs like. |
| 01:16:50 | Cassandra | Is there much point in upgrading to v6 for H1xx? |
| 01:17:10 | LinusN | XavierGr: i think it might work well |
| 01:17:32 | XavierGr | To drop the wps approach? |
| 01:17:41 | LinusN | Cassandra: no critical bugs were fixed, but a few annoyances |
| 01:17:48 | LinusN | XavierGr: to have it |
| 01:18:09 | XavierGr | :) then proceed with it? |
| 01:18:17 | Cassandra | Guess I'll do it when I have a spare moment then. |
| 01:18:35 | LinusN | Cassandra: and you will need int once we move rockbox.iriver to .rockbox |
| 01:19:28 | amiconn | I don't see why this move is necessary |
| 01:19:40 | amiconn | It might make life even harder on mMacOS |
| 01:20:10 | markun | LinusN: My H120 booted into the original firmware when I tried to turn in on with the remote and the main unit on hold. Is that a bug? |
| 01:20:21 | amiconn | Today, if a MacOS user unzips with a tool that doesn't unzip /.rockbox , rockbox will complain about incomplete installation |
| 01:20:24 | LinusN | amiconn: i think the "." should be removed as well |
| 01:20:37 | amiconn | Gah, that would be relly ugly |
| 01:21:00 | amiconn | I don't want the .rockbox folder in the "supported" view |
| 01:21:03 | LinusN | ugly? |
| 01:21:06 | XavierGr | yeah I agree with linus on the '.' |
| 01:21:21 | XavierGr | that's easy fixable no? |
| 01:21:30 | LinusN | we can filter it |
| 01:21:36 | amiconn | Yes, more code.. |
| 01:21:40 | DreamTactix291 | yeah |
| 01:21:59 | LinusN | the "." has meant a lot of trouble since the beginning of the project |
| 01:22:07 | amiconn | ?? |
| 01:22:26 | LinusN | back in the old days, the user had to create .rockbox himself |
| 01:22:38 | pinkutank | :) |
| 01:22:43 | LinusN | and the silly windows explorer didn't allow it |
| 01:22:43 | pinkutank | you guys sound grumpy now |
| 01:22:53 | amiconn | There's cmd ... |
| 01:23:01 | DreamTactix291 | mkdir .rockbox isn't that hard |
| 01:23:05 | pinkutank | mkdir is easy |
| 01:23:09 | LinusN | amiconn: yes, and there are workarounds for mac users as well |
| 01:23:41 | LinusN | but that means more time spent in the forums and irc, guiding clueless users |
| 01:23:51 | amiconn | Yes, but if you move the firmware file to /.rockbox , and a MacOS user uses a bad unzip tool, rockbox would simply not be there |
| 01:24:07 | LinusN | that's why i want the "." removed |
| 01:24:09 | linuxstb | Why don't we give it the system attribute in the filesystem? |
| 01:24:09 | preglow | i wonder why i can't get the md5sum for v6 to match... |
| 01:24:18 | linuxstb | (sorry - that's more trouble) |
| 01:24:27 | LinusN | preglow: building it yourself? |
| 01:24:31 | amiconn | LinusN: ..and that's why I would want the firmware file to stay in the root, and keep the . |
| 01:24:34 | preglow | LinusN: no, from wiki |
| 01:24:55 | preglow | i don't like the . at all |
| 01:24:59 | LinusN | amiconn: and still have the same problem with the maccies? |
| 01:25:16 | amiconn | At least they'll notice that something is wrong |
| 01:25:42 | LinusN | they will notice it if rockbox.iriver is missing too |
| 01:25:47 | linuxstb | preglow: Which iriver firmware are you using? |
| 01:25:51 | LinusN | the zip will appear empty |
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| 01:26:14 | preglow | linuxstb: 1.65 eu |
| 01:26:29 | preglow | linuxstb: and bootloader-h120.zip |
| 01:26:38 | amiconn | preglow: That's exactly what I used, and the md5sum matched the one in the wiki |
| 01:26:38 | linuxstb | LinusN: Talking about bootloaders, do you know what the bootloader.bin file is that is linked to in the text just above the checksums table? |
| 01:26:45 | LinusN | preglow: you don't need the bootloader file |
| 01:26:53 | XavierGr | preglow: go you have a bdm? |
| 01:26:57 | preglow | XavierGr: no |
| 01:27:07 | preglow | LinusN: i don't need the bootloader file? |
| 01:27:12 | XavierGr | then don't flash it! :) |
| 01:27:22 | LinusN | ah sorry, you use mkboot? |
| 01:27:26 | preglow | LinusN: yes |
| 01:27:32 | preglow | i'm in linux, no fwpatcher here |
| 01:27:40 | LinusN | wine :-) |
| 01:27:44 | preglow | haha, no wine either |
| 01:28:02 | preglow | a lot of people have said they were going to port fwpatcher to this and that |
| 01:28:04 | LinusN | mkboot should work, did you run "make" in tools? |
| 01:28:04 | preglow | never happened |
| 01:29:04 | linuxstb | preglow: bootloader-h120 and 1.65eu gave me the same md5sum as the wiki page. I used mkboot as well. |
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| 01:29:07 | LinusN | bootloader-h120.zip??? |
| 01:29:15 | preglow | bahhh |
| 01:29:24 | preglow | a change in mkboot gave new md5sum |
| 01:29:33 | amiconn | LinusN: Another advantage of the . is that it makes the dir so special that there is less chance for a user to delete it |
| 01:29:36 | preglow | i never remember to run make in tools |
| 01:29:46 | LinusN | amiconn: that's true |
| 01:30:02 | XavierGr | if it isn't filtered |
| 01:30:14 | amiconn | ...and with bootloader v6 the . can't be removed anyway |
| 01:30:24 | linuxstb | amiconn: Do you know which Mac zip tools cause a problem? Maybe we should mention it somewhere (unless we already do). |
| 01:30:35 | amiconn | The best solution would be an universal installer, imho |
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| 01:31:08 | amiconn | linuxstb: I have no idea, I only read about this problem in the forum. |
| 01:31:18 | amiconn | I never owned or used a mac |
| 01:31:48 | linuxstb | Are you sure the zip tools are broken? Macs will hide "." files in the same way as any Unix O/S. |
| 01:31:50 | Cassandra | I don't think it's our job to work around brokenness in Mac unzippers. |
| 01:31:51 | LinusN | i once tried to install rockbox with my mac, it drove me nuts |
| 01:31:53 | amiconn | Well, I did very few experiments with MacOS 7.x on a Mac emulator on Amiga |
| 01:31:56 | preglow | hooray, iriver fw refuses to flash |
| 01:31:59 | * | linuxstb goes to the forums. |
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| 01:32:39 | LinusN | preglow: lovely |
| 01:32:52 | amiconn | linuxstb: Iiuc some Mac unzippers even hide the dotdirs from themselves |
| 01:34:11 | preglow | i never liked using dots to indicate hidden files |
| 01:34:13 | linuxstb | The command-line unzip comes as part of Mac OS X, and I've used that myself in the past to install Rockbox. I never tried a GUI zip program though. |
| 01:34:22 | LinusN | and many unzippers just unzip the damn thing to the desktop, and then forces the user to copy the contents to the jukebox |
| 01:34:25 | markun | Toshiba is sending me the linux source code to me by (normal) mail! |
| 01:34:34 | LinusN | and .rockbox isn't visible... |
| 01:34:44 | linuxstb | markun: hehe. |
| 01:34:46 | LinusN | markun: nice |
| 01:34:53 | pinkutank | markun: you hit the spot |
| 01:34:56 | LinusN | let's hope there is something useful there |
| 01:35:02 | pinkutank | I told you theyd be helping |
| 01:35:03 | markun | But it might take a month.. |
| 01:35:11 | amiconn | preglow: Yes, the dotdir concept is a strange one, but it's an old convention in the *nix world... |
| 01:35:12 | LinusN | i'm not sure you will get what you want |
| 01:35:20 | pinkutank | you can ask help from their devs |
| 01:35:29 | pinkutank | theyre really in a pinch |
| 01:35:31 | preglow | amiconn: yes, i know, old and foolish convention, if you ask me |
| 01:35:31 | markun | Me neiter, but we'll see |
| 01:35:33 | pinkutank | pinchu desu |
| 01:35:34 | pinkutank | :D |
| 01:35:49 | LinusN | preglow: not that foolish if you ask me |
| 01:35:57 | pinkutank | you can get a dev from them to join you |
| 01:36:04 | preglow | i don't think display attributes belong in the filename |
| 01:36:12 | pinkutank | to create rockbox, supported by toshiba for gigabeat |
| 01:36:15 | amiconn | We *could* hide the rockbox dir without the . by setting the 'hidden' attribute, but I don't know which unzip tools will keep/extract that correctly |
| 01:36:24 | pinkutank | and theyll also work like a lawnmover through bugs |
| 01:36:27 | preglow | if you want something to be hidden, you give it an attribute, not an extra character in the filename |
| 01:36:31 | linuxstb | preglow: It makes it easier to (e.g.) move all "." files together. |
| 01:36:37 | pinkutank | i think the rockbox community sohul use toshiba :) |
| 01:36:45 | preglow | linuxstb: well, yeah, but when do you want that? |
| 01:37:05 | linuxstb | A better example is tab-completion. |
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| 01:37:27 | linuxstb | You couldn't do that in such a way as it only applied to files with a certain attribute. |
| 01:37:52 | preglow | why not? it'd be taken for granted that hidden files should be ignored |
| 01:38:00 | preglow | also by the tab complete routine itself |
| 01:38:24 | preglow | it would a bit more work, of course |
| 01:38:31 | preglow | since you'd need to look at more than the name |
| 01:39:30 | preglow | but anyhow, why the hell wont this bitch flash |
| 01:39:39 | linuxstb | Do you want my hex file? |
| 01:39:41 | LinusN | does it say anything? |
| 01:39:58 | preglow | it says nothing |
| 01:39:59 | linuxstb | (sorry, you said the md5sum matches now) |
| 01:40:03 | preglow | it does match, yes |
| 01:40:06 | LinusN | what is the file name of the hex file? |
| 01:40:53 | LinusN | it should be ihp_120.hex iirc |
| 01:40:55 | preglow | ihp_h120.hex |
| 01:41:14 | preglow | ARGGHH |
| 01:41:38 | * | LinusN hides from the wrath of preglow |
| 01:42:42 | preglow | how is this possible |
| 01:42:44 | preglow | the md5sum matches |
| 01:42:47 | preglow | what more can it want |
| 01:43:17 | LinusN | how is your vfat driver configured? |
| 01:43:21 | preglow | not at all |
| 01:43:45 | LinusN | maybe the iriver firmware doesn't like shortnames? |
| 01:44:04 | LinusN | or vice versa |
| 01:44:50 | pinkutank | does gigabeats record audio |
| 01:45:42 | preglow | hahah |
| 01:45:47 | preglow | rockbox can't rename it |
| 01:45:49 | | Join timeclip [0] (n=LesPaul@S01060013102182e5.vc.shawcable.net) |
| 01:45:50 | preglow | it says Rename failed |
| 01:46:22 | amiconn | You can't rename it to the same name as before with only the case being different |
| 01:46:35 | amiconn | Just add a letter, then rename again |
| 01:46:50 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, i figured, but still doesn't work |
| 01:46:58 | amiconn | Strange... |
| 01:47:00 | | Nick CBM-away is now known as CheeseBurgerMan (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) |
| 01:48:02 | LinusN | preglow: fsck? |
| 01:48:20 | preglow | it's done this before |
| 01:48:23 | preglow | ages and ages ago |
| 01:48:24 | markun | pinkutank: no, but I think there is a line in through a special dock |
| 01:48:40 | preglow | then i fixed it by downloading the firmware from another site, but this time the md5sum is frigging identical |
| 01:49:41 | preglow | wtf |
| 01:49:42 | preglow | There are differences between boot sector and its backup. |
| 01:50:09 | timeclip | does anyone have the iriver H-340? |
| 01:51:01 | preglow | fsck did a free cluster count fix |
| 01:51:05 | preglow | that's all, still can't flash |
| 01:51:47 | preglow | linuxstb: could you put your image up somewhere, just to verify the extent of this thing's anal rentention tendency |
| 01:52:05 | LinusN | timeclip: i have one here |
| 01:55:39 | timeclip | Linus, rockbox works well for you? |
| 01:55:54 | LinusN | i haven't installed rockbox on it |
| 01:56:13 | timeclip | ahh ok. I just got my 340 this week and I was considering giving it a try. |
| 01:56:20 | LinusN | don't |
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| 01:57:14 | timeclip | okay. |
| 01:57:24 | timeclip | that's why i came here, some advice. |
| 01:57:24 | LinusN | rockbox is just an overrated piece of junk anyway:-) |
| 01:57:28 | timeclip | lol |
| 01:57:37 | LinusN | rockbox doesn't work on the h300 yet |
| 01:57:50 | timeclip | yeah, i'm at the site now and it's vague |
| 01:57:59 | LinusN | it can display the menus and run some plugins, but it's not worth the risk imho |
| 01:58:41 | timeclip | well the iriver software seems very stable |
| 01:58:54 | LinusN | sure, the misticriver crowd are wetting their pants, but rockbox is far from usable |
| 01:58:58 | XavierGr | it is |
| 01:59:02 | XavierGr | but it is very limited too |
| 01:59:09 | timeclip | the iriver stock sw is doing the trick thus far |
| 01:59:19 | LinusN | absolutely |
| 01:59:27 | preglow | i give up |
| 01:59:32 | preglow | bootloader v5 it is for me |
| 01:59:45 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 01:59:54 | LinusN | you should use the stock firmware for a while, then you will appreciate rockbox so much more :-) |
| 01:59:56 | XavierGr | this is called destiny |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:08 | XavierGr | to be bound with v5 bootloader for eternity.... |
| 02:00:09 | LinusN | preglow: weird indeed |
| 02:00:24 | preglow | the iriver firmware is a frustrating lagged piece of junk, may i never need to touch it again |
| 02:00:37 | LinusN | amen |
| 02:00:42 | XavierGr | flash it like Slasheri |
| 02:01:01 | preglow | i'm yet to reach the levels of male behaviour shown by slasheri |
| 02:01:10 | preglow | but i'd be happy if he wrote me a plugin for flashing, heh |
| 02:01:12 | LinusN | :-) |
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| 02:01:32 | XavierGr | lol |
| 02:02:51 | markun | I though slasheri had gone completely crazy when he was happily reading and writing to flash ;) |
| 02:02:57 | preglow | it obviously is my only chance anyway |
| 02:03:11 | LinusN | preglow: it would probably work if you reformatted |
| 02:03:17 | preglow | markun: finns are generally crazy, remember that for future reference |
| 02:03:31 | preglow | LinusN: yeah, i guess so, but i don't have enough space to backup the contents while i do so |
| 02:03:45 | LinusN | badness |
| 02:03:48 | markun | Closest I have been to finnland was estland, and they were crazy already. |
| 02:03:49 | preglow | indeed |
| 02:03:52 | timeclip | who is finnish? |
| 02:03:58 | preglow | slasheri |
| 02:04:04 | timeclip | ahh. yes. |
| 02:04:09 | LinusN | Slasheri: |
| 02:04:12 | timeclip | they have their share of genius's |
| 02:05:29 | preglow | only proof i've got of finnish genious is the demo scene |
| 02:05:42 | timeclip | race drivers |
| 02:05:46 | timeclip | artisans |
| 02:05:49 | timeclip | luthiers |
| 02:06:11 | timeclip | small country to have so many people at the top of the lists |
| 02:06:19 | preglow | linuxstb: seems i was a bit too enthusiastic when i said i'd have browsing working by now... |
| 02:07:14 | LinusN | preglow: i was worried that the ipod project would take the lead, but now h300 is clearly ahead :-) |
| 02:08:07 | timeclip | r u they doing this for the ipoop too>? |
| 02:08:11 | preglow | we'll see!! |
| 02:08:17 | timeclip | lol |
| 02:08:18 | preglow | timeclip: yes, me and linuxstb |
| 02:08:24 | timeclip | i see |
| 02:09:21 | timeclip | cool |
| 02:11:21 | preglow | what would be cool would be me making interrupts work |
| 02:12:52 | timeclip | good luck |
| 02:12:57 | timeclip | u can do it! |
| 02:12:59 | timeclip | :) |
| 02:13:56 | preglow | wading through all this cruft linux needs to do irqs is fun, fun, fun |
| 02:16:38 | timeclip | i can only imagine |
| 02:18:08 | amiconn | I don't think it's completely crazy to read and write the flash |
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| 02:18:26 | SoulEata | hello all |
| 02:18:33 | amiconn | Apart from that, Finland isn't too far away from Sweden.. |
| 02:18:56 | XavierGr | Ok lets say that presets are going to sit in .rockbox/presets/ directory. Will that folder already made by the scipt or radio has to check for it? |
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| 02:20:27 | SoulEata1 | a java error crashed me. So now i have a clone. |
| 02:20:46 | CheeseBurgerMan | How fun. |
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| 02:21:06 | CheeseBurgerMan | Not anymore. ;) |
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| 02:21:17 | XavierGr | bye bye |
| 02:23:42 | Cassandra | Hmmm. Are the CVS builds requiring bootloader 6 already? |
| 02:23:59 | linuxstb | Cassandra: No. |
| 02:24:18 | Cassandra | That's very odd. I just did a build that doesn't have a rockbox.iriver in it. |
| 02:24:29 | Cassandra | Oh, never mind. |
| 02:24:41 | Cassandra | I need to type make in the real dir, not the simulator. |
| 02:26:53 | preglow | i wonder what the ide irq is for |
| 02:27:01 | preglow | we quite obviously don't need it |
| 02:27:52 | preglow | /* Display the 42x47 pixel iPodLinux logo */ |
| 02:28:37 | amiconn | Hmm. I just noticed that when looking for parts to move from firmware to apps, the backlight thread is one such candidate |
| 02:28:38 | markun | Just found out that Gigabeat had USB host, but only through the dock. |
| 02:29:17 | preglow | sorry for the spurious paste, it's starting to grow a little short of space on the desk here |
| 02:29:28 | preglow | can't move my arms without hitting something that pastes ;) |
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| 02:30:10 | LinusN | preglow: as long as it isn't something that cuts :-) |
| 02:30:36 | preglow | i've got at least two of those stanley knife things here, so will probably happen sooner or later |
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| 02:31:32 | preglow | i'm already stupid enough to have them lying around with the blade retracted |
| 02:31:41 | * | preglow rectifies health hazard |
| 02:33:04 | pinkutank | switchblades on desktop? |
| 02:33:16 | pinkutank | you stab the penguin when it spurts out errors? |
| 02:33:39 | preglow | don't we all? |
| 02:34:27 | Cassandra | How did we decide how big the image buffer size was supposed to be? |
| 02:34:43 | pinkutank | you asked the double banan wieldinh monkey |
| 02:34:55 | Cassandra | I'm wondering where this no. pixels * no. of images / 25 idea came from. |
| 02:35:07 | Cassandra | It's entirely possible. |
| 02:35:23 | pinkutank | and it said ub3r j00 m3h 10v3s y3h |
| 02:35:40 | Cassandra | That's nice. |
| 02:35:43 | pinkutank | and was entirely pwnd by the banana spirder |
| 02:36:10 | pinkutank | is there anyway to put bmps in alternating sublines and put them in conditionals? |
| 02:36:24 | pinkutank | I tried |
| 02:36:27 | pinkutank | it didnt work |
| 02:36:34 | Cassandra | iAmp uses it, I think. |
| 02:36:43 | pinkutank | as charger? |
| 02:37:01 | pinkutank | what does it alternate |
| 02:37:04 | Cassandra | No, codec, but have a look at it to see how they did it. |
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| 02:37:14 | pinkutank | I'll have a look |
| 02:37:19 | pinkutank | what does codec swithc with |
| 02:38:17 | pinkutank | no it doenst |
| 02:38:23 | pinkutank | i think you got confused there |
| 02:38:32 | pinkutank | I'm talking about alternating sublines |
| 02:38:40 | pinkutank | not bmps in normal conditionals |
| 02:39:03 | preglow | well, now it hangs, at least |
| 02:39:11 | preglow | perhaps that means i've successfully triggered an interrupt |
| 02:39:20 | SoulEata1 | so do we have any pics of rbx on the ipod |
| 02:40:15 | pinkutank | there was some |
| 02:40:20 | pinkutank | preglow sohuld have one on nao |
| 02:40:43 | preglow | http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/wootwoot.jpg |
| 02:41:04 | preglow | http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/splash.jpg |
| 02:41:07 | pinkutank | is nano screen much smaller than h120? |
| 02:41:15 | Cassandra | Sorry - iAmp rpws is doing something similar with pause state. |
| 02:41:15 | preglow | pinkutank: oh yes |
| 02:41:18 | preglow | pinkutank: half the size |
| 02:41:25 | pinkutank | piu |
| 02:41:41 | pinkutank | I should stick to larger players for a while |
| 02:41:47 | pinkutank | the new ipod looks promisin |
| 02:42:03 | pinkutank | but I'll temporarily upgrade to an h320/40 |
| 02:42:31 | * | Cassandra is trying to persuade a friend who *found* a Nano to part with it for Rockbox development. |
| 02:42:37 | DreamTactix291 | yeah nano screen is small |
| 02:42:42 | Cassandra | (some people get all the luck. :( ) |
| 02:42:47 | DreamTactix291 | compared to an H120's screen it is very small |
| 02:43:00 | Cassandra | She has a mini already, but she likes the shiny colour. |
| 02:43:12 | CheeseBurgerMan | heh, good luck getting it. :) |
| 02:43:24 | pinkutank | which she |
| 02:43:28 | SoulEata1 | whoa its color on the ipod. Thats kinda cool. |
| 02:43:41 | Cassandra | I doubt you'd know her pinkutank |
| 02:43:55 | DreamTactix291 | my girl has a very nice player IMO |
| 02:43:55 | timeclip | isnt that the specialty of the ipods? their colors? |
| 02:43:56 | pinkutank | oh that she kinda your friend |
| 02:44:08 | pinkutank | lol *your* girl |
| 02:44:12 | DreamTactix291 | yep |
| 02:44:17 | DreamTactix291 | she inherited my H120 when i bought an H140 |
| 02:44:28 | pinkutank | thats why sheis yours? |
| 02:44:33 | * | Cassandra looks confused. |
| 02:44:37 | pinkutank | sold her soul for h120 |
| 02:44:41 | DreamTactix291 | lol |
| 02:44:51 | XavierGr | DreamTactix291: Tell her that he has a very good boyfriend |
| 02:44:57 | pinkutank | cassandra , i didnt see the purple /me text |
| 02:45:08 | pinkutank | my friend has a h120 too |
| 02:45:10 | Cassandra | Oh, right. |
| 02:45:13 | XavierGr | Giving your H120 to another person is something |
| 02:45:13 | Cassandra | Never mind. |
| 02:45:13 | pinkutank | a brand new one with remote |
| 02:45:17 | preglow | Cassandra: make her part with the mini instead, we don't have one of those! |
| 02:45:18 | preglow | ;) |
| 02:45:23 | CheeseBurgerMan | lol |
| 02:45:25 | pinkutank | ahahah |
| 02:45:26 | DreamTactix291 | i knew she'd take care of it |
| 02:45:33 | DreamTactix291 | and it was just collecting dust basically |
| 02:45:41 | Cassandra | preglow: Can we theoretically get it booting on the mini? |
| 02:45:43 | pinkutank | lets do shuffle and we can play guess the error |
| 02:45:52 | preglow | Cassandra: sure |
| 02:46:04 | Cassandra | I thought we were sticking to colour and nano for a reason? |
| 02:46:06 | preglow | Cassandra: it might even boot as is |
| 02:46:19 | pinkutank | we can even haver games in shuffle |
| 02:46:21 | pinkutank | mind games |
| 02:46:22 | preglow | Cassandra: reason being that linuxstb has a colour, and nano is very similar to colour |
| 02:46:33 | pinkutank | you can print sokoban on paper for example |
| 02:46:40 | pinkutank | and play it with pencil |
| 02:46:47 | DreamTactix291 | lol |
| 02:46:48 | pinkutank | moving the joystic of the shuffle |
| 02:46:51 | pinkutank | and when youre done |
| 02:46:58 | pinkutank | it will do a nice bleep sound |
| 02:47:03 | pinkutank | indicating that you won |
| 02:47:14 | pinkutank | we can even have 3d games with shuffle |
| 02:47:21 | pinkutank | see you close your eyes |
| 02:47:29 | pinkutank | and listen to soundtracks of pc games |
| 02:47:34 | pinkutank | pressing buttons randomly |
| 02:47:37 | preglow | but arghh |
| 02:47:46 | Cassandra | Oh, right. |
| 02:47:49 | pinkutank | ducking jumpiing etc, and then the bus people kick you |
| 02:47:54 | preglow | i write to what i assume is some kind of interrupt control registers for the buttons, and bam |
| 02:47:58 | preglow | everything hangs |
| 02:48:01 | pinkutank | ok I'm done brain shitting |
| 02:48:10 | Cassandra | Well, I'll mention it to her. |
| 02:48:27 | Cassandra | Not sure how good I'd be at doing the low level porting work. |
| 02:48:36 | pinkutank | her, err gerr perrr purr purrr purr |
| 02:48:45 | preglow | Cassandra: well, i'm not too sharp at it either, but i learn as i go |
| 02:48:46 | Cassandra | My housemate has a mini, but I doubt she'd let me near it. |
| 02:48:55 | pinkutank | can i be the official channel bzztwakhuk |
| 02:49:14 | DreamTactix291 | i'm buying my brother an iFP for christmas probably |
| 02:49:15 | Cassandra | Sure. Why not? |
| 02:49:36 | pinkutank | do we support ifps |
| 02:49:42 | pinkutank | WE |
| 02:49:43 | Cassandra | Nope. |
| 02:49:45 | DreamTactix291 | nope |
| 02:49:46 | DreamTactix291 | but |
| 02:49:51 | pinkutank | i say we, all i do is clown around and you code |
| 02:49:53 | DreamTactix291 | he'll mostly use it for an FM radio |
| 02:49:53 | DreamTactix291 | so |
| 02:49:55 | DreamTactix291 | he doesn't care |
| 02:49:57 | CheeseBurgerMan | lol |
| 02:49:58 | preglow | pinkutank: there's a port underway, but don't hold your breath |
| 02:50:03 | * | Cassandra checks out a clean source from CVS. |
| 02:50:12 | pinkutank | I dont own one |
| 02:50:18 | Cassandra | Gods Rockbox is getting big. |
| 02:50:19 | pinkutank | neither planning to hold one |
| 02:50:26 | pinkutank | yes |
| 02:50:29 | pinkutank | you type make |
| 02:50:30 | preglow | Cassandra: you've got that right |
| 02:50:38 | pinkutank | and its as if its protein folding |
| 02:51:15 | LinusN | damn, timer_adjust_prescale() has issues on the h300 |
| 02:51:54 | CheeseBurgerMan | :o |
| 02:51:56 | pinkutank | will we use bmps for wpss in h300 and ipods |
| 02:52:11 | * | Cassandra gives up on adding buffer overflow conditions for WPS. |
| 02:52:24 | Cassandra | Since my test didn't spot the darn overflow anyway. |
| 02:52:52 | Cassandra | It's a bit annoying to have to keep increasing buffer sizes though. |
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| 02:58:11 | SoulEata1 | I hope h3xx wps' are more advanced than the h1xx |
| 02:59:27 | pinkutank | like? |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:00 | pinkutank | what like soul? |
| 03:01:06 | CheeseBurgerMan | Speak! ;) |
| 03:01:45 | DreamTactix291 | aside from colour images what would you change |
| 03:02:07 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 03:02:31 | pinkutank | someone left a baby in a couryard and ran away? |
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| 03:03:58 | preglow | arghhhh |
| 03:05:21 | preglow | my kingdom for some documentation |
| 03:05:30 | Cassandra | I've just commited rwps support for boxes. |
| 03:05:34 | pinkutank | was? |
| 03:05:38 | Cassandra | You may now rejoice. |
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| 03:05:49 | pinkutank | la |
| 03:05:50 | * | CheeseBurgerMan rejoices. ;) |
| 03:05:53 | pinkutank | lalala |
| 03:06:02 | pinkutank | i use my own wps |
| 03:06:10 | pinkutank | which ill release tomorrow |
| 03:06:14 | CheeseBurgerMan | :) |
| 03:06:22 | pinkutank | but i want to learn how to create animated bmps |
| 03:06:30 | pinkutank | as it didnt work |
| 03:06:38 | pinkutank | should i cheat |
| 03:06:42 | * | amiconn is confused. |
| 03:06:58 | amiconn | preglow: Isn't the nano screen *higher* resolution than h1x0? |
| 03:07:13 | preglow | amiconn: oh, that, i thought he meant physical dimensions |
| 03:07:20 | pinkutank | i meant physical |
| 03:07:23 | pinkutank | but |
| 03:07:32 | pinkutank | that was because i forgot abut resolution |
| 03:07:53 | pinkutank | but still too small to read manga, or not, I wonder |
| 03:07:56 | amiconn | Ah, hmm, 'f course |
| 03:08:07 | pinkutank | I'll deceive someone |
| 03:08:10 | pinkutank | and try |
| 03:08:12 | pinkutank | har har |
| 03:08:27 | amiconn | Physically smaller, but higher resolution... will probably be hard to read the rockbox default font then |
| 03:08:32 | DreamTactix291 | my WPS is too simple for me to want to give to others |
| 03:08:40 | pinkutank | my wps is a soup |
| 03:08:51 | DreamTactix291 | mine is imageless |
| 03:08:56 | DreamTactix291 | and is just filled with useful data |
| 03:08:58 | DreamTactix291 | just like i like it |
| 03:09:33 | XavierGr | yeah I don't like bmps myself |
| 03:09:53 | pinkutank | http://www.anthrodium.com/rb/dump_0001.bmp |
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| 03:09:57 | cannard | i dont have a wps yet :| |
| 03:10:03 | pinkutank | http://www.anthrodium.com/rb/dump_0002.bmp |
| 03:10:07 | DreamTactix291 | http://www.rhythmplanetno1.com/hosted/dump_0001.png <−− that's mine |
| 03:10:19 | pinkutank | that genre |
| 03:10:26 | pinkutank | changes with bitrate and hz |
| 03:10:44 | DreamTactix291 | i don't have any alternating things |
| 03:10:50 | SoulEata1 | its hard to explain what I would like to see in an h3xx WPS. I'm just thinking very very customizable, and better looking than the current screen |
| 03:10:51 | DreamTactix291 | and my remote wps is just a smaller version of my main one |
| 03:10:57 | pinkutank | i dont like the db bar |
| 03:11:05 | DreamTactix291 | i'd probably use my same WPS if i had an H3xx |
| 03:11:06 | DreamTactix291 | lol |
| 03:11:28 | pinkutank | well everything you wps shows |
| 03:11:30 | pinkutank | mine shows too |
| 03:11:34 | pinkutank | only not the codec |
| 03:11:39 | pinkutank | because whats the use |
| 03:11:42 | pinkutank | but its easy |
| 03:11:49 | pinkutank | and ill incorporate i guess |
| 03:11:54 | DreamTactix291 | i actually have multiple codecs on mine |
| 03:11:56 | DreamTactix291 | some vorbis |
| 03:11:57 | DreamTactix291 | some wavpack |
| 03:11:59 | DreamTactix291 | some mp3 |
| 03:12:06 | pinkutank | I'll incorporate tomorrow then |
| 03:12:17 | pinkutank | I like crowding my wps |
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| 03:12:24 | DreamTactix291 | vast majority of mine is vorbis though |
| 03:12:27 | DreamTactix291 | i like mine how it is |
| 03:12:37 | DreamTactix291 | i'm very minimalist when it comes to aesthetics |
| 03:12:47 | preglow | amiconn: i think the rockbox default is perfectly legible |
| 03:12:53 | preglow | amiconn: depends on the distance, of course |
| 03:13:44 | LinusN | ah, finally the buttons work when the cpu is boosted on the h300 |
| 03:13:55 | LinusN | time to sleep |
| 03:14:00 | DreamTactix291 | night |
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| 03:16:30 | SoulEata1 | OMG Brian on Family Guy just dressed up as the banana man and did peanut butter jelly time |
| 03:16:47 | DreamTactix291 | it's been a long time since i saw family guy |
| 03:16:47 | pinkutank | lets build for the night |
| 03:16:57 | pinkutank | i gotta wake up in for 2 hours for school |
| 03:17:13 | CheeseBurgerMan | :o |
| 03:17:20 | DreamTactix291 | i do that a lot |
| 03:17:22 | XavierGr | what? you get to school at 6.00? |
| 03:17:33 | DreamTactix291 | except for work and not school |
| 03:17:34 | pinkutank | 6 30 wake up |
| 03:17:38 | preglow | btw, did anyone ever get any further on the crediting whole groups of people issue? |
| 03:17:41 | pinkutank | 7 service bus arrives |
| 03:17:46 | pinkutank | 8 school starts |
| 03:17:54 | preglow | i think codec people deserves some thanks, and now the ipodlinux people |
| 03:17:55 | pinkutank | i usually leave bed 6:50 |
| 03:17:56 | XavierGr | and school starts at? |
| 03:18:02 | XavierGr | oh |
| 03:18:10 | DreamTactix291 | i have a fun day at work tomorrow and the next day |
| 03:18:10 | XavierGr | then it's the same with there |
| 03:18:12 | DreamTactix291 | 9-8 |
| 03:18:16 | CheeseBurgerMan | :| |
| 03:18:27 | pinkutank | school is like 40 miles from home :D |
| 03:18:40 | XavierGr | :X |
| 03:19:11 | XavierGr | mine was 10 minutes on foot :) |
| 03:19:21 | pinkutank | thats nice |
| 03:19:26 | pinkutank | id like going to school on foot |
| 03:19:28 | XavierGr | indeed |
| 03:19:35 | DreamTactix291 | my school was about 30km from home |
| 03:19:41 | DreamTactix291 | when i went |
| 03:19:43 | DreamTactix291 | work is 17 |
| 03:19:44 | XavierGr | well I was definitely spoiled back then |
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| 03:19:59 | XavierGr | some times my dad was taking me there by ca |
| 03:20:00 | XavierGr | r |
| 03:20:15 | pinkutank | hehe |
| 03:20:23 | pinkutank | i like walking alone on mornings |
| 03:20:44 | pinkutank | I usually catch the service bus at the home of the 2nd person before me |
| 03:20:57 | pinkutank | :) |
| 03:21:09 | XavierGr | you should sleep then |
| 03:21:20 | pinkutank | physics homewrok |
| 03:21:21 | XavierGr | I must get up at 8.30 |
| 03:21:29 | XavierGr | but maybe I will make it an all nighter |
| 03:21:30 | DreamTactix291 | actually i find that if you're going to get less than like 2 hours of sleep it's best to just stay up |
| 03:21:34 | pinkutank | I have to keep it open inf ront of me and not do it |
| 03:21:38 | DreamTactix291 | i wake up at 7:45 tomorrow morning |
| 03:21:41 | XavierGr | exactly! |
| 03:21:54 | pinkutank | if i do that dream, I'll die in schol and I know it |
| 03:22:00 | pinkutank | I suffer from sleep paralysis |
| 03:22:06 | XavierGr | my programm is pretty much very f*cked up |
| 03:22:11 | DreamTactix291 | i have insomnia |
| 03:22:13 | XavierGr | really? |
| 03:22:25 | XavierGr | I have tinnitus! |
| 03:22:27 | pinkutank | sleep paralysis with hallucinations here |
| 03:22:28 | pinkutank | do you know how its like to have sleep paralyiss in lessons |
| 03:22:33 | pinkutank | really? |
| 03:22:39 | DreamTactix291 | that sucks :| |
| 03:22:43 | CheeseBurgerMan | :\ |
| 03:22:43 | pinkutank | id rather have insomnia then tinnitus |
| 03:22:45 | XavierGr | what's exactly sleep paralysis? |
| 03:22:53 | pinkutank | I open my eyes |
| 03:22:56 | pinkutank | paralyzed |
| 03:22:57 | pinkutank | .D |
| 03:22:58 | pinkutank | :D |
| 03:23:00 | XavierGr | do you paralize with sleep |
| 03:23:01 | XavierGr | ? |
| 03:23:01 | pinkutank | in rem |
| 03:23:02 | preglow | that's not unusual |
| 03:23:07 | CheeseBurgerMan | You missed an eye! ,) |
| 03:23:13 | preglow | all people are paralyzed when they sleep, yours just lasts a bit longer ;) |
| 03:23:18 | pinkutank | lol |
| 03:23:27 | pinkutank | adrenaline pumps |
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| 03:23:29 | preglow | even i get that sometimes |
| 03:23:30 | CheeseBurgerMan | Yup |
| 03:23:33 | pinkutank | its scary for the first times |
| 03:23:34 | XavierGr | and how do you get up then? |
| 03:23:40 | preglow | it wears off |
| 03:23:42 | pinkutank | you wait |
| 03:23:44 | CheeseBurgerMan | You're un-paralyzed. ;) |
| 03:23:47 | pinkutank | but with hallucination |
| 03:23:52 | pinkutank | you get up |
| 03:23:58 | pinkutank | a dark shadow grabs you |
| 03:24:00 | pinkutank | you fall down |
| 03:24:03 | XavierGr | seems creepy |
| 03:24:08 | pinkutank | you thing what the hell, is this a dream |
| 03:24:12 | pinkutank | and you wake up |
| 03:24:20 | pinkutank | so best thing with my wild imagination is |
| 03:24:21 | DreamTactix291 | ah |
| 03:24:29 | pinkutank | keep eyes closed |
| 03:24:33 | CheeseBurgerMan | yeah |
| 03:24:36 | CheeseBurgerMan | Sounds freaky. :o |
| 03:24:38 | XavierGr | and how much does this effect takes? |
| 03:24:45 | pinkutank | i have them 4-5 times in a row in a night sometimes, then its boring |
| 03:24:50 | XavierGr | how many minutes? |
| 03:25:02 | pinkutank | I dont know really, brain doesnt work the same when youre sleeping |
| 03:25:11 | preglow | no shit |
| 03:25:13 | pinkutank | it may be 3 seconds you live long |
| 03:25:21 | pinkutank | or it maybe a minute |
| 03:25:35 | DreamTactix291 | for me when i sleep it's like i don't sleep |
| 03:25:52 | pinkutank | 4-5 times in a night is jsut boring tho,I cant sleep |
| 03:25:53 | pinkutank | hehe |
| 03:25:53 | DreamTactix291 | i just wake up and it feels like i just laid down |
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| 03:26:04 | preglow | doesn't it for all people? |
| 03:26:08 | XavierGr | ah then you don't miss dates or so. I mean if it lasts 1 minute. |
| 03:26:10 | pinkutank | in classes |
| 03:26:12 | DreamTactix291 | yeah but i've never remembered a dream |
| 03:26:13 | pinkutank | its funny |
| 03:26:16 | DreamTactix291 | so it's really really like that for me |
| 03:26:22 | preglow | DreamTactix291: have you ever tried, though? |
| 03:26:29 | preglow | DreamTactix291: remembering dreams can take some conscious effort |
| 03:26:35 | preglow | i never remember them unless i try |
| 03:26:38 | DreamTactix291 | i can't form images in my mind at all |
| 03:26:39 | DreamTactix291 | so |
| 03:26:43 | XavierGr | is it? |
| 03:26:47 | pinkutank | I open my eyes, thinking if teacher calls me im doomed |
| 03:26:47 | DreamTactix291 | i've never remembered a dream |
| 03:27:04 | pinkutank | luckily, a person or tow knows my conditiona nd will tell the teacher |
| 03:27:09 | pinkutank | Ive remembered many |
| 03:27:12 | XavierGr | not a single image? |
| 03:27:15 | DreamTactix291 | i wish i would |
| 03:27:18 | DreamTactix291 | nope |
| 03:27:19 | preglow | pinkutank: think i'd just try to stay awake, if i were you |
| 03:27:30 | pinkutank | should I |
| 03:27:33 | XavierGr | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis |
| 03:27:37 | DreamTactix291 | my mind works in numbers mostly |
| 03:27:40 | pinkutank | b ut then Illjust compile again |
| 03:27:45 | pinkutank | :D |
| 03:27:48 | CheeseBurgerMan | lol |
| 03:28:24 | DreamTactix291 | i'm not a very exciting person lol |
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| 03:28:31 | DreamTactix291 | my biggest hobby is audio encoding |
| 03:28:39 | pinkutank | ost-synaptic inhibition of motor neurons in the pons region of the brain. In particular, low levels of melatonin may stop the depolarisation current in the nerves, which prevents the stimulation of the muscles. |
| 03:28:41 | pinkutank | yes that |
| 03:29:07 | pinkutank | # Irregular sleeping schedules; naps, sleeping in |
| 03:29:07 | pinkutank | # Increased stress |
| 03:29:11 | pinkutank | and the rasons |
| 03:29:17 | XavierGr | the part that says:People who are fortunate enough to be facing a clock while having an episode may often be surprised to see how little time has gone by during an episode that seems to last a very long time. |
| 03:29:23 | XavierGr | is very scary |
| 03:29:26 | pinkutank | yay kanashibari |
| 03:29:43 | preglow | think i'll go try to catch a dream or two now |
| 03:29:50 | DreamTactix291 | night |
| 03:30:05 | preglow | night |
| 03:30:43 | pinkutank | my cousin |
| 03:30:51 | pinkutank | was abducted by nike clad black aliens once |
| 03:31:03 | DreamTactix291 | lol |
| 03:31:04 | XavierGr | well on of the feelings is falling sensation |
| 03:31:05 | pinkutank | , he was actually sleep paralysed, but that was what he saw |
| 03:31:13 | XavierGr | I get this sometimes but I cant say it is the same |
| 03:31:24 | pinkutank | i usually klnow its coming |
| 03:31:30 | pinkutank | i say oh crap and it happens |
| 03:31:44 | pinkutank | sometimes it happens when there is a glitch in a dream |
| 03:31:44 | XavierGr | crap... |
| 03:32:12 | CheeseBurgerMan | Your dreams need debugging. :o |
| 03:32:15 | pinkutank | like imw alking by a lake and suddenly a giant prianha face is projected over the lake, not scary, just like a mishap texture overlay problem |
| 03:32:25 | pinkutank | and i say oh well here it goes |
| 03:32:33 | pinkutank | hehe |
| 03:32:39 | pinkutank | I need tweaking |
| 03:32:42 | DreamTactix291 | lol |
| 03:32:43 | XavierGr | like matrix. |
| 03:32:53 | pinkutank | preglow can you chek my brain |
| 03:33:02 | thegeek | If I were you I'd work on lucid dreaming |
| 03:33:03 | elinenbe | does anyone here have the latest H300 archive? |
| 03:33:09 | elinenbe | that I can grab? |
| 03:33:09 | pinkutank | I work on it |
| 03:33:10 | preglow | thegeek: i did do that once |
| 03:33:11 | pinkutank | alot |
| 03:33:15 | pinkutank | but |
| 03:33:15 | thegeek | :) |
| 03:33:16 | XavierGr | is it documented? |
| 03:33:16 | thegeek | yeah |
| 03:33:20 | thegeek | so did I |
| 03:33:22 | pinkutank | Im not allowed to |
| 03:33:28 | preglow | i'm still fascinated by dreaming |
| 03:33:30 | thegeek | the dream was very..pleaseant |
| 03:33:32 | pinkutank | like |
| 03:33:39 | pinkutank | as soon as i get the control |
| 03:33:47 | pinkutank | Im woken up by brain |
| 03:33:48 | DreamTactix291 | i'm fascinating by dreaming but for different reasons than you |
| 03:33:50 | XavierGr | dreams are still a mystery to mankind.... |
| 03:33:50 | pinkutank | i fight it |
| 03:33:55 | preglow | i dream lucidly from time to time, but can't exactly induce them myself |
| 03:33:56 | pinkutank | for a minute or two |
| 03:34:00 | thegeek | *pleasant |
| 03:34:02 | thegeek | mhm |
| 03:34:03 | pinkutank | but it rgains control |
| 03:34:14 | pinkutank | i either resleep in dream and dream |
| 03:34:16 | thegeek | it only happened once for me |
| 03:34:24 | pinkutank | It happens to me alot |
| 03:34:26 | XavierGr | what? |
| 03:34:30 | thegeek | but I could not keep control for a long time |
| 03:34:39 | thegeek | I just thought, "hey, cool, this is a dream" |
| 03:34:40 | preglow | nah, it's hard |
| 03:34:42 | XavierGr | ah to keep control of dreams? |
| 03:34:48 | pinkutank | i dream in a lucid drema hich kills the lucidity |
| 03:34:57 | preglow | it grows a bit slippery the moment you realize what's happening |
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| 03:35:03 | pinkutank | heh yes |
| 03:35:05 | preglow | the key is to stay calm |
| 03:35:05 | thegeek | indeed |
| 03:35:08 | XavierGr | Sometimes I can see my death in dreams |
| 03:35:08 | thegeek | hehe |
| 03:35:10 | pinkutank | I usually fly |
| 03:35:10 | XavierGr | it's creepy |
| 03:35:12 | thegeek | there are lots of tricks |
| 03:35:14 | CheeseBurgerMan | O.o |
| 03:35:15 | CheeseBurgerMan | Yeah. |
| 03:35:16 | preglow | yup |
| 03:35:18 | pinkutank | Ive been catwoman once |
| 03:35:22 | preglow | i've got a book on it and all |
| 03:35:23 | preglow | haha |
| 03:35:24 | preglow | but yeah |
| 03:35:27 | thegeek | but I can never remember anything when I'm actually dreaming |
| 03:35:28 | thegeek | hehe |
| 03:35:29 | XavierGr | lol |
| 03:35:29 | CheeseBurgerMan | I dreamed that the world was full of spiders... |
| 03:35:29 | pinkutank | with latex |
| 03:35:33 | preglow | desperately need sleep, later all |
| 03:35:39 | pinkutank | and once |
| 03:35:40 | CheeseBurgerMan | Crawling all over everything, all the time. |
| 03:35:40 | thegeek | I just woke up |
| 03:35:41 | thegeek | hirr |
| 03:35:44 | CheeseBurgerMan | lol |
| 03:35:48 | XavierGr | bye |
| 03:35:54 | pinkutank | I was osmeone else but I was in the dream too, as a bohemian gay |
| 03:36:04 | pinkutank | and I loved myself or sumtin |
| 03:36:15 | XavierGr | :! |
| 03:36:15 | pinkutank | and then I switched persepctives to someone |
| 03:36:18 | pinkutank | else |
| 03:36:23 | pinkutank | dont remember |
| 03:36:27 | pinkutank | not physical love |
| 03:36:30 | pinkutank | i dont even remember |
| 03:36:36 | pinkutank | i think we were friends |
| 03:36:40 | pinkutank | and I wasnt gay |
| 03:36:40 | thegeek | hehe |
| 03:36:41 | XavierGr | dreams are strange |
| 03:36:44 | thegeek | dreams are wierd |
| 03:36:46 | thegeek | and cool |
| 03:36:52 | pinkutank | very cool |
| 03:37:04 | pinkutank | only reason to sleep :D |
| 03:37:20 | DreamTactix291 | :( |
| 03:37:22 | thegeek | have you tried that herb that induces lucid dreaming pinkutank ? |
| 03:37:28 | pinkutank | which one |
| 03:37:31 | pinkutank | I didnt |
| 03:37:35 | thegeek | hmm |
| 03:37:39 | XavierGr | for me sleep is a very important part of my life (isn't this oxymoron?) |
| 03:37:42 | thegeek | I just read about a herb that did it |
| 03:37:44 | thegeek | atleast |
| 03:37:50 | pinkutank | magic mushroom? |
| 03:37:51 | thegeek | made very vivid dreams |
| 03:37:53 | thegeek | nono |
| 03:37:53 | DreamTactix291 | i sleep so my eyes don't try to close on their own at work |
| 03:37:54 | pinkutank | thats not dreaming |
| 03:37:55 | pinkutank | :D |
| 03:38:05 | pinkutank | but I havge memroy problems |
| 03:38:35 | thegeek | Calea zacatechichi |
| 03:38:36 | pinkutank | Im really bored of life so i dont actively live much, ireally dont remember anything from the past five mins |
| 03:38:37 | XavierGr | that can be seen in your spelling LOL |
| 03:38:38 | thegeek | http://www.erowid.org/plants/calea_zacatechichi/ |
| 03:38:46 | XavierGr | kidding |
| 03:38:47 | thegeek | it's a bit of a drug really |
| 03:38:53 | thegeek | which is why I never tried it;) |
| 03:39:06 | pinkutank | yes i spell idiotically in the last few days dunno why |
| 03:39:13 | DreamTactix291 | i have to remember names of people which is hard for me |
| 03:39:21 | pinkutank | I wasnt bad in my ib orals, just tooo much ehmm s and uhmmss |
| 03:39:22 | DreamTactix291 | because i get about 30 calls a day as complaints |
| 03:39:33 | pinkutank | what do you work as |
| 03:39:34 | DreamTactix291 | so i have selective memory |
| 03:39:38 | DreamTactix291 | appliance salesman |
| 03:40:35 | CheeseBurgerMan | So if I go there and want an oven, do I get a friend discount? ;) |
| 03:40:56 | DreamTactix291 | no |
| 03:40:59 | CheeseBurgerMan | Aww |
| 03:41:03 | DreamTactix291 | i charge you more |
| 03:41:05 | DreamTactix291 | :P |
| 03:41:08 | CheeseBurgerMan | lol |
| 03:41:08 | CheeseBurgerMan | :o |
| 03:42:16 | XavierGr | Calea zacatechichi is legal on US |
| 03:42:25 | thegeek | yep |
| 03:42:30 | XavierGr | I don't know on my country but it would be fun to test it |
| 03:42:30 | thegeek | and it seems pretty cool |
| 03:42:35 | thegeek | indeed |
| 03:42:58 | XavierGr | also from the picture there it seems very common to me |
| 03:43:06 | XavierGr | as if I have seen it before |
| 03:43:11 | thegeek | hmm |
| 03:43:12 | thegeek | I doubt that |
| 03:43:17 | CheeseBurgerMan | What is calea zacatechichi? |
| 03:43:18 | CheeseBurgerMan | lol |
| 03:43:24 | thegeek | a lot of plants seem simiar |
| 03:43:27 | thegeek | similar |
| 03:43:27 | thegeek | http://www.erowid.org/plants/calea_zacatechichi/ |
| 03:43:31 | pinkutank | do we eat it |
| 03:43:33 | pinkutank | or smoke it |
| 03:43:41 | CheeseBurgerMan | lol |
| 03:43:41 | thegeek | http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=12224 |
| 03:43:44 | thegeek | beginners guide;) |
| 03:43:44 | thegeek | hehe |
| 03:43:54 | XavierGr | maybe we boil it |
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| 03:44:46 | thegeek | it seems smoking, or putting it in capsules is the best |
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| 03:45:00 | thegeek | when I read about it a long time ago |
| 03:45:05 | thegeek | I was going to use capsules |
| 03:46:09 | XavierGr | where can we find it :P |
| 03:46:10 | pinkutank | since the stuff tastes so terrible that the psychological effect of the bad taste offsets the euphoric feeling one might otherwise encounter. |
| 03:46:24 | thegeek | I think it would be easiest to buy it |
| 03:46:36 | thegeek | hehe pinkutank |
| 03:46:38 | thegeek | capsules. |
| 03:46:57 | XavierGr | Cale Z. is simply the worst tasting edible substance known to man. |
| 03:47:01 | XavierGr | haha |
| 03:47:05 | thegeek | hehee |
| 03:47:29 | thegeek | damn |
| 03:47:33 | thegeek | now I want to try it again |
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| 03:48:34 | XavierGr | have you tried it thegeek? |
| 03:48:41 | thegeek | no |
| 03:48:54 | pinkutank | It will still taste only slightly better than donkey feces. |
| 03:49:05 | thegeek | ;) |
| 03:49:13 | CheeseBurgerMan | Eww ;) |
| 03:49:20 | thegeek | I dont smoke anything |
| 03:49:27 | thegeek | so I dont think that is a good idea |
| 03:49:29 | DreamTactix291 | me neither |
| 03:49:32 | * | CheeseBurgerMan is smoke free. |
| 03:49:42 | pinkutank | me too |
| 03:49:44 | thegeek | but I was considering using either tea or getting those small capsules |
| 03:49:49 | thegeek | and putting it inside the capsules |
| 03:50:02 | thegeek | then, when you eat the capsules, they open in your stomach |
| 03:50:42 | XavierGr | but where to find it? |
| 03:50:52 | pinkutank | it looks very common |
| 03:51:02 | pinkutank | wouldnt be surprised to find it in forest |
| 03:51:10 | pinkutank | I found a stem of cannabis |
| 03:51:14 | XavierGr | and if I have leaves what do I do with them. |
| 03:51:15 | pinkutank | in august |
| 03:51:16 | thegeek | XavierGr : buy it over the internet |
| 03:51:30 | XavierGr | no.... |
| 03:51:34 | pinkutank | it was growing out of a crack of a sidewalk |
| 03:51:40 | thegeek | why not? |
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| 03:52:18 | XavierGr | well I think that bying things from internet you must have a very good reason to do |
| 03:52:26 | thegeek | hmm |
| 03:52:27 | thegeek | oh well |
| 03:52:30 | XavierGr | think of the shipment costs |
| 03:52:38 | FingerSoup | Hey all. Any devs here (Or users of the iriver Simulator)? |
| 03:52:39 | XavierGr | just for a plant |
| 03:52:40 | thegeek | I dont think it grows wild a lot of places |
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| 03:52:47 | thegeek | so you'd have a very hard time finding any |
| 03:52:52 | XavierGr | I will search first in local stores |
| 03:52:53 | thegeek | XavierGr |
| 03:52:57 | thegeek | you dont buy the plant |
| 03:53:01 | pinkutank | http://www.shroomery.org/index.php/par/11 |
| 03:53:01 | thegeek | you buy dried leaves |
| 03:53:11 | pinkutank | check out level 5 |
| 03:53:16 | pinkutank | I use it finger soup |
| 03:53:19 | XavierGr | so if I just eat the plant raw? :D |
| 03:53:29 | pinkutank | If I got lvl5, id be dangerous |
| 03:53:37 | pinkutank | because I really hate humans |
| 03:53:43 | FingerSoup | Quick question - Does the sound playback work on any platform? |
| 03:53:49 | pinkutank | bypassing control mech. is no good |
| 03:53:52 | thegeek | no FingerSoup |
| 03:53:53 | pinkutank | not that I know of |
| 03:53:53 | XavierGr | of course |
| 03:54:02 | thegeek | it does not work on h3xx and ipods yet |
| 03:54:04 | thegeek | I think |
| 03:54:06 | XavierGr | playback on sim? |
| 03:54:12 | FingerSoup | on sim |
| 03:54:12 | thegeek | oh |
| 03:54:15 | pinkutank | playback of auido in sim |
| 03:54:15 | thegeek | ;) |
| 03:54:26 | pinkutank | I never thought it was possible |
| 03:54:27 | pinkutank | is it? |
| 03:54:27 | XavierGr | yes it dies for H100 and archos targets |
| 03:54:38 | XavierGr | but you must compile the sim with extra options |
| 03:54:49 | XavierGr | that I don't know |
| 03:54:56 | FingerSoup | Ok, so switching to a linux dev environment won't fix that. |
| 03:56:14 | FingerSoup | I thought it was just my system... |
| 03:57:01 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK XavierGr |
| 03:57:01 | XavierGr | XavierGr: yes it dies for.... <- it dies? LOL I must watch what I type |
| 03:57:23 | pinkutank | id really like shrooming sometime |
| 03:57:38 | pinkutank | with some friend near me, I have 1 friend actually, so she |
| 03:57:46 | SoulEata1 | so where do you get this calea |
| 03:57:46 | pinkutank | but Im scared I hurt hur |
| 03:58:04 | pinkutank | I really wouldnt to coke and stuff |
| 03:58:07 | pinkutank | ever |
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| 04:01:44 | pinkutank | lol |
| 04:01:46 | pinkutank | i mean |
| 04:01:52 | pinkutank | that colors and thing going wild |
| 04:01:56 | pinkutank | definitely for me |
| 04:01:59 | pinkutank | but would like it |
| 04:02:12 | pinkutank | if my body was paralyzed for the time bieng |
| 04:02:14 | pinkutank | otherwsie |
| 04:02:26 | pinkutank | I know I'Ll hurt people |
| 04:03:00 | pinkutank | I've never beaten anyone in my life, although I've been beaten quite a bit until my prep year, after that things flipped |
| 04:03:14 | pinkutank | things might jsut click into place |
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| 04:04:15 | pinkutank | gnight yo you all |
| 04:04:23 | pinkutank | I2'm gonig to sleep for an hour now |
| 04:04:29 | pinkutank | because I feel like soooo |
| 04:05:12 | Creatine | night |
| 04:05:17 | pinkutank | I definitely need to finish high school asap, my brain needs temporal change, cant adapt to high school lessons anymore, happy to be studying art in ocllege |
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| 04:23:40 | FingerSoup | OK, next question - I am trying to build a Connect 4 plugin. What do I need to do to be able to run/compile my plugin? |
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| 04:46:01 | andrewmel | hey |
| 04:46:16 | ghostface24 | hey |
| 04:46:33 | andrewmel | bit quiter today |
| 04:46:41 | ghostface24 | yeah |
| 04:46:47 | andrewmel | any bricks yet? |
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| 04:47:08 | ghostface24 | haven't been willing |
| 04:47:24 | ghostface24 | why aren't you at misticriver? |
| 04:47:28 | andrewmel | one sort of half report on mr, but not sure |
| 04:47:46 | andrewmel | i am, but not on irc, i am meant to be writing students reports |
| 04:47:46 | ghostface24 | I mean the channel |
| 04:47:53 | ghostface24 | oh |
| 04:48:28 | ghostface24 | can't really concentrate in the channel |
| 04:48:32 | ghostface24 | I understand |
| 04:49:57 | andrewmel | have you loaded rockbox yet gf? |
| 04:50:08 | andrewmel | ghostface24* |
| 04:50:13 | andrewmel | you are not my gf |
| 04:50:16 | andrewmel | i dont think |
| 04:50:23 | XavierGr | lol |
| 04:50:37 | DreamTactix291 | lol |
| 04:50:37 | CheeseBurgerMan | lol |
| 04:52:10 | andrewmel | I know dt has, what about you XavierGr or CBM? |
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| 04:53:05 | CheeseBurgerMan | I haven't. |
| 04:53:12 | CheeseBurgerMan | And Xavier isn't telling. ;) |
| 04:53:20 | DreamTactix291 | i've been running rockbox on an H140 for a long time now |
| 04:53:26 | andrewmel | cos he was dropped ! |
| 04:53:54 | ghostface24 | lol |
| 04:54:34 | andrewmel | do you run the rockboy games dt? |
| 04:54:41 | andrewmel | and were they easy to find? |
| 04:55:18 | DreamTactix291 | i don't game so no |
| 04:55:19 | ghostface24 | what emulator would Rockbox come with in speaking of matters of the H320 |
| 04:55:25 | DreamTactix291 | i use rockbox for music only |
| 04:55:25 | ghostface24 | I was always wondering |
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| 04:58:02 | andrewmel | can you guys tell me the misticserver? I am at work now and dont have it with e |
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| 05:00:51 | ghostface24 | what do you mean Andrew? |
| 05:01:02 | andrewmel | the name of the mistic chat server? |
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| 05:03:30 | ModernExecutive | hi all |
| 05:03:36 | andrewmel | hey |
| 05:03:39 | Creatine | hello. |
| 05:03:41 | ModernExecutive | MR just die? |
| 05:03:45 | Creatine | whoa it's andrew. |
| 05:03:49 | andrewmel | yep seems to have |
| 05:04:01 | Creatine | andrew is an MR god! |
| 05:04:06 | Creatine | *bow* |
| 05:04:38 | ModernExecutive | as fate would have it, i was perusing the rb h3x0 thread |
| 05:04:52 | ModernExecutive | ah, back now |
| 05:06:47 | ghostface24 | Andrew, it's one Zuh and it's name is "#misticriver" |
| 05:06:58 | ghostface24 | *it's on |
| 05:07:24 | andrewmel | so zuh.net ? |
| 05:07:54 | ghostface24 | yed |
| 05:07:55 | ghostface24 | yes |
| 05:08:07 | ghostface24 | and the channel is #misticriver |
| 05:08:25 | CheeseBurgerMan | irc://irc.zuh.net/misticriver |
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| 05:09:50 | CheeseBurgerMan | Greetings. :P |
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| 05:10:40 | ModExec | howdy |
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| 05:32:19 | ModExec | finally! |
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| 05:34:54 | SoulEata1 | A-Mel in the house. |
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| 05:35:57 | ghostface24 | yes, somewhere |
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| 05:38:32 | andrewmel | hey, here now. finished one class of reports :) |
| 05:38:41 | andrewmel | SE your poll is going well |
| 05:38:49 | SoulEata1 | what time is it in the land of oz |
| 05:38:59 | andrewmel | 3:38 pm |
| 05:39:40 | SoulEata1 | on the 21st. thats weird. |
| 05:39:57 | andrewmel | nope, you guys are just very slow :) |
| 05:40:05 | andrewmel | you are going to europe soon? |
| 05:40:11 | SoulEata1 | does it disturb you to think you are communicating with people in the past? |
| 05:40:33 | CheeseBurgerMan | heh, Andrew can see the future as well. |
| 05:40:37 | SoulEata1 | Yes. I'll be going to London in january. I'll make a big post about it in coming weeks. |
| 05:40:41 | andrewmel | no, you are in the present, you just have your clocks set differetnly to account for your position on the sphere we call home |
| 05:40:56 | andrewmel | and it all hinges on an arbitrary line |
| 05:40:58 | CheeseBurgerMan | So, Andrew. Anything bad going to happen in the future? |
| 05:41:15 | andrewmel | yep, the sun will expand and the earth will be swallowed. |
| 05:41:19 | CheeseBurgerMan | Hmm |
| 05:41:22 | CheeseBurgerMan | That doesn't sound fun |
| 05:41:28 | SoulEata1 | so if a world leader is shot in the next 5 minutes, did it happen on Sunday or Monday |
| 05:41:34 | ModernExecutive | which poll? |
| 05:41:35 | andrewmel | Q If the dove is the bird of peace, what is the bird of true love? |
| 05:41:49 | andrewmel | @SE depends on where it happened. |
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| 05:42:08 | CheeseBurgerMan | Seagulls |
| 05:42:10 | CheeseBurgerMan | :P |
| 05:42:15 | andrewmel | nope the swallow |
| 05:42:22 | SoulEata1 | hahahha |
| 05:42:27 | ModernExecutive | hah |
| 05:42:46 | SoulEata1 | you are a dirty old man. |
| 05:42:54 | CheeseBurgerMan | lol |
| 05:42:58 | andrewmel | nope i am a dirty young man |
| 05:43:06 | SoulEata1 | young? youre like twice my age |
| 05:43:12 | andrewmel | and if you think i am old that is just because you are too young to tell |
| 05:45:45 | andrewmel | @SE you havent mentioned your sexual orientation poll, or told us what you voted? |
| 05:45:58 | SoulEata1 | I'm straight. |
| 05:46:12 | SoulEata1 | was there any question regarding this |
| 05:46:26 | ModernExecutive | [23:38] <andrewmel> SE your poll is going well |
| 05:46:28 | andrewmel | Well how am I meant to tell? |
| 05:46:36 | SoulEata1 | ever meet a gay republican? |
| 05:46:40 | ModernExecutive | yes |
| 05:46:48 | * | SoulEata1 whacks ME |
| 05:46:51 | andrewmel | There is a whole group that are gay Republicans |
| 05:47:04 | SoulEata1 | yes i know, the Log Cabin group |
| 05:47:07 | andrewmel | They call themselves "Gay Republicans" |
| 05:47:13 | CheeseBurgerMan | lol |
| 05:47:16 | SoulEata1 | But theyre a very small minority |
| 05:47:29 | ModernExecutive | i meant to ask you. |
| 05:47:43 | ModernExecutive | the smiley face. is it for show, or does it represent your views? |
| 05:47:53 | SoulEata1 | represents my views. I'm republican. |
| 05:47:59 | andrewmel | And gay men as a demographic have a very high level of disposable income and education. isnt that one of the groups that the republicans chase? |
| 05:48:32 | SoulEata1 | mel i was under the impression that people stereotyped republicans as having high education and high income. |
| 05:48:44 | ModernExecutive | lol |
| 05:49:06 | SoulEata1 | it's funny, we fall into 2 categories, depending on the mood of the liberal |
| 05:49:25 | ghostface24 | I don't know where you get this stuff really |
| 05:49:32 | SoulEata1 | Republicans are either poor redneck white trash, or rich educated corporate CEOs. |
| 05:49:46 | ModernExecutive | not after this past election, when people were clamoring that the 52% who voted for bush were the great unwashed... and that the holier-than-thou ereudite elitists were the ones who realized just what a mess america was getting into |
| 05:50:09 | ModernExecutive | ... what SE said |
| 05:50:36 | SoulEata1 | and it always cracks me up when people call Republicans rich money-hoarders and whatnot, and then I look at John Kerry. |
| 05:50:46 | ModernExecutive | one word: hollywood. |
| 05:50:49 | andrewmel | i bet the rich educated corporate ceos as a group have a higher than average level of homosexuals |
| 05:51:05 | SoulEata1 | now is that closeted or open homosexuals mel |
| 05:51:51 | Creatine | what's this? we're talking about republicans and gays in the rockbox channel? |
| 05:51:54 | andrewmel | you havent commented on the poll results yet. |
| 05:52:09 | SoulEata1 | the results? I'm certainly not surprised there are more straights than gays. |
| 05:52:18 | Creatine | what poll? |
| 05:52:31 | SoulEata1 | mistic river sexual orientation poll |
| 05:52:37 | ghostface24 | lol |
| 05:52:41 | andrewmel | what about the number of gay/bi members? |
| 05:52:48 | Creatine | oh no. |
| 05:52:57 | SoulEata1 | it's low, as I figured. |
| 05:53:07 | SoulEata1 | I've never met a homosexual computer nerd before. |
| 05:54:00 | ModernExecutive | this is so surreal |
| 05:54:08 | Creatine | my boss is gay, and his life partner is my other boss. |
| 05:54:24 | SoulEata1 | relationships in the workplace. Not really a good idea. |
| 05:54:25 | ModernExecutive | i can choose b/w politics/homosexuality in this channel or racist stereotyping in the MR channel. |
| 05:54:28 | andrewmel | your poll has misticriver having 22% gay/bi members |
| 05:54:32 | Creatine | anyway... I can't seem to find this poll... |
| 05:54:39 | Creatine | would someone mind linking me? |
| 05:54:40 | ModernExecutive | where do I go to talk about DAPs? |
| 05:54:43 | SoulEata1 | Mistic Lounge |
| 05:54:53 | andrewmel | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=32125 |
| 05:55:03 | Creatine | thank you |
| 05:55:05 | andrewmel | Any comment on 22% SE? |
| 05:55:12 | SoulEata1 | mel, that means 78% are straight. Again no surprise. |
| 05:55:23 | andrewmel | more than 1 in 5? |
| 05:55:49 | Creatine | one more for straight. |
| 05:56:21 | * | ModernExecutive chalks up another. |
| 05:56:25 | SoulEata1 | mel you suggest that there could very well be around 15 gay people in this channel right now. I dont think so. |
| 05:56:33 | * | ModernExecutive then plays with his wedding band |
| 05:57:26 | andrewmel | i didnt suggest that, did I |
| 05:57:36 | Creatine | judging from the fact that this is a firmware related channel, it could very well be true, desperate nerds. |
| 05:57:42 | SoulEata1 | 1 in 5. And just about everyone here is an MR member. |
| 05:57:58 | SoulEata1 | just because a man is desperate doesnt make him gay |
| 05:58:00 | andrewmel | oh no run away!!! |
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| 06:00:09 | Creatine | i joke i joke |
| 06:00:10 | Creatine | ha |
| 06:00:11 | Creatine | ha |
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| 06:00:47 | LedFloyd | das is goot jah?! |
| 06:08:48 | SoulEata1 | so wu-tang fan gfk? |
| 06:09:18 | ghostface24 | of course |
| 06:09:49 | SoulEata1 | just checking. |
| 06:09:56 | ghostface24 | but I have my other genres too |
| 06:10:03 | SoulEata1 | like |
| 06:10:15 | ghostface24 | rock |
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| 06:10:53 | ghostface24 | :) |
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| 06:17:54 | SoulEata1 | well im out. this is a bad distraction |
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| 06:18:29 | DreamTactix291 | IRC is the best distraction |
| 06:18:34 | CheeseBurgerMan | By far. |
| 06:18:43 | ghostface24 | By very far. |
| 06:19:17 | andrewmel | very time wasting, and those bloody reports wont write themselves. |
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| 06:19:36 | andrewmel | gtg, bbl |
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| 06:39:03 | ghostface24 | later all |
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| 08:16:33 | Zak1392 | hey guys |
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| 08:17:01 | * | ashridah watches the tumbleweed drift by |
| 08:17:47 | Zak1392 | @ what's going on |
| 08:17:53 | Zak1392 | ? |
| 08:18:19 | DreamTactix291 | it's slow |
| 08:18:22 | ashridah | not much. |
| 08:18:27 | Zak1392 | am i just gonna talk to myself then? |
| 08:18:38 | ashridah | it will be until the devs wake up, generally. |
| 08:18:38 | Zak1392 | lol |
| 08:19:14 | Zak1392 | yes or no: should i put rockbox on my h340? |
| 08:19:22 | ashridah | Zak1392: i'd wait |
| 08:19:59 | Zak1392 | i desperately want to do it but i'm scared i might brick my player. i've only had it for a few months |
| 08:20:08 | ashridah | i'd definently wait |
| 08:20:18 | ashridah | no point voiding the warranty now :) |
| 08:20:45 | Zak1392 | i already have though... |
| 08:22:31 | Zak1392 | have you done it? |
| 08:23:22 | Zak1392 | @ashridah |
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| 08:31:36 | Zak1392 | this is boring\ |
| 08:31:49 | cannard | maybe your in a terrible timezone? |
| 08:32:10 | Zak1392 | maybe not many people want to chat? |
| 08:32:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | There are long patches of quiet in here. |
| 08:32:22 | cannard | they are prolly asleep |
| 08:33:19 | Zak1392 | here it is only 6pm |
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| 08:34:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Many of them are in parts of Europe. |
| 08:35:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | By "them" I mean "the people I most often see speaking in here" |
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| 08:35:42 | cannard | indeed most times its active when its 2-3am here |
| 08:35:48 | cannard | thought its 6:35pm now |
| 08:35:51 | cannard | -t |
| 08:35:54 | Coldtoast | http://www.users.on.net/~edan/edan/dump_0001.jpg |
| 08:35:56 | Slasheri | Zak1392: 9:35am here |
| 08:36:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | 1:36 am here. |
| 08:37:22 | cannard | alright! im living in the future :p |
| 08:37:24 | Coldtoast | made the peak meters from the iriver fw the volume indicator for Rockbox |
| 08:37:25 | Coldtoast | heh |
| 08:37:59 | Slasheri | Coldtoast: Hmm, are the peak meters actually working? :) |
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| 08:40:28 | Membrillo | I believe its early morn in America. How many people here are actually awake? |
| 08:40:34 | Coldtoast | yep.. not as peak meters tho :) |
| 08:40:53 | Coldtoast | as the volume level indicator |
| 08:41:54 | Slasheri | Coldtoast: nice anyway :) probably the graphical peak meters could be made working with simple wps tags |
| 08:42:08 | Coldtoast | 'll have a go later |
| 08:42:22 | Coldtoast | cos I'd definitely rather have that as peak meters |
| 08:42:46 | Coldtoast | actually, won;'t take long to test now |
| 08:42:58 | Slasheri | :) |
| 08:44:44 | Coldtoast | %?pm<%xdA|%xdB|%xdC|%xdD|%xdE|%xdF|%xdG|%xdH|%xdI|%xdJ> |
| 08:44:49 | Coldtoast | doesn't work. oh well |
| 08:48:34 | Coldtoast | it'd be incredibly great if it did tho |
| 08:49:21 | Membrillo | what are you working on CT? |
| 08:49:29 | Coldtoast | just made a wps |
| 08:49:43 | Coldtoast | and it'd be really cool if lines such as%?pm<%xdA|%xdB|%xdC|%xdD|%xdE|%xdF|%xdG|%xdH|%xdI|%xdJ> |
| 08:49:47 | Coldtoast | worked |
| 08:49:56 | Coldtoast | so you could have custom peak meters |
| 08:50:01 | Coldtoast | but it doesn't |
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| 08:51:40 | Membrillo | are daily builds being compiled for the H3xx now? |
| 08:53:01 | cannard | hahah i wonder if all the h1x0 users were so impatient when that version of rb was at this stage :p |
| 08:54:12 | Rick | yes they were |
| 08:54:13 | Rick | (: |
| 08:54:17 | cannard | haha |
| 08:54:38 | cannard | i cant blame them really, im one too |
| 08:54:44 | * | Zak1392 slaps cannard around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:55:32 | * | Zak1392 slaps cannard around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:55:34 | cannard | i wasnt refering to you zak, just ive seen lots of webguests and people coming in here "is it done?" |
| 08:55:46 | cannard | and ive only been here a few days |
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| 08:55:53 | Zak1392 | just trying out the new trout ;) |
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| 08:58:19 | Zak1392 | hehehe ;) |
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| 08:58:51 | cannard | heh |
| 08:59:25 | Membrillo | does booting up an H3xx with the hdd removed reset all settings? |
| 08:59:27 | Zak1392 | i wish i had an h100, id have rockbox! |
| 08:59:40 | DreamTactix291 | i have one :P |
| 08:59:42 | DreamTactix291 | i had another too |
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| 09:00:06 | Zak1392 | give it here then! lol |
| 09:00:11 | DreamTactix291 | no :P |
| 09:00:15 | DreamTactix291 | i like my H140 too much |
| 09:00:17 | Membrillo | ^^^^ anyone? |
| 09:00:33 | cannard | stupid iriver dists not keeping h140's in stock when mine was busted! |
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| 09:03:18 | ashridah | Zak1392: in order for me to flash a H3x0, i'd have to OWN a H3x0 unit :) |
| 09:03:43 | cannard | send him yours zak! |
| 09:03:45 | cannard | :p |
| 09:03:48 | ashridah | Membrillo: a H3xx with the hdd removed? with iriver's firmware or rockbox? |
| 09:04:04 | Zak1392 | okay |
| 09:04:06 | Zak1392 | jk |
| 09:05:27 | Membrillo | ashridah: well Irivers firmware. Im just thinking for when you have database turned on and a faulty database and it refuses to boot up. Could removing the hdd reset settings (eg. database option back to off) so you can reboot and delete the dodgy database file |
| 09:05:53 | Slasheri | Membrillo: i doubt that |
| 09:06:08 | Slasheri | the settings are stored on the internal eeprom |
| 09:06:16 | ashridah | i agree with Slasheri |
| 09:06:21 | _FireFly_ | Membrillo this wouldn't work because the rockbox firmware is also on the hdd only the bootloader is in flash |
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| 09:06:44 | Slasheri | But i think you could fix the problem either by connecting hdd to pc or shorting the eeprom data lines while booting your unit causing hopefully eeprom checksum error |
| 09:06:51 | ashridah | the eeprom is unlikely to be cleared, iirc, the firmware tends to just stop at an error saying 'check HDD' or something. at least, on the H1xx it does, i don't imagine the 3xx is any different. |
| 09:07:02 | Slasheri | or soldering out the eeprom chip (it's easy to solder) |
| 09:07:59 | ashridah | i'd just go out and buy a laptop hdd to normal ide converter and then power it on with that and delete the db :) |
| 09:08:19 | ashridah | (in a normal pc i mean) |
| 09:08:43 | Slasheri | laptop hdd converter wouldn't work. You need a 1.8" -> 3.5" converter |
| 09:08:55 | Slasheri | laptop drives are something like 2.5" |
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| 09:09:14 | ashridah | aah |
| 09:09:16 | Slasheri | or 1.8" usb thing |
| 09:09:17 | * | ashridah stands corrected |
| 09:09:20 | Slasheri | :) |
| 09:09:32 | whatboutbob | hehe...i just recorded 15 hours of near silence. woot! |
| 09:10:21 | Membrillo | hmmm ok. Ill see if i can find a 1.8" to IDE somewhere |
| 09:10:39 | Membrillo | then put the rockbox bootloader on :P |
| 09:10:44 | Membrillo | as a backup |
| 09:10:45 | ashridah | i take it the unit flakes out before giving you a chance to go to usb mode? |
| 09:11:03 | Membrillo | yep exactly. stupid iriver firmware |
| 09:11:09 | ashridah | ick |
| 09:11:24 | * | ashridah is glad he never tried to use the db on the H140 he has |
| 09:11:40 | Membrillo | probable an endless loop while scanning the DB |
| 09:11:56 | ashridah | so it just keeps reading the db? |
| 09:11:59 | Slasheri | Membrillo: you can also try booting without hdd connected and then at correct point attach the hdd in |
| 09:12:01 | ashridah | doesn't hang outright? |
| 09:12:06 | Slasheri | misticriver had some guides for that |
| 09:12:08 | Membrillo | yeah. It just stays on the Loading screen |
| 09:12:16 | ashridah | bugger |
| 09:12:27 | ashridah | Slasheri: that sounds suitably evil :) |
| 09:12:35 | Slasheri | hehe :D |
| 09:12:46 | Slasheri | it might work and player enters then into usb mode |
| 09:12:56 | Membrillo | yeah. and i cant RMA it because ive changed the background image of the loading screen :P |
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| 09:20:49 | ashridah | zagor |
| 09:23:36 | Zagor | hi |
| 09:23:59 | Coldtoast | Membrillo: do you have a friend with h300? |
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| 09:24:30 | ashridah | B4gder |
| 09:24:41 | B4gder | 'ello |
| 09:25:45 | Membrillo | Coldtoast: Nope, im the only person I know that owns something other than an iPod |
| 09:26:10 | amiconn | _\\// |
| 09:27:33 | Coldtoast | bummer |
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| 09:27:48 | Membrillo | Coldtoast: whys that? |
| 09:28:05 | Coldtoast | you could have put the HDD from yours into theirs and deleted the db |
| 09:30:17 | Membrillo | but the DB is stored on the Hdd.... |
| 09:30:42 | Coldtoast | ok? |
| 09:30:42 | Membrillo | it just means their river wouldnt boot |
| 09:30:49 | Coldtoast | no |
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| 09:31:05 | Coldtoast | cos they patch the fw with the rockbox bootloader, see? |
| 09:31:39 | Membrillo | thats a good point. Another option would be to switch harddrives then disable the DB option on mine meaning the DB wouldnt even be loaded |
| 09:31:40 | Coldtoast | then you put your HDD in theirs and then they can either delete the db or format the dreive |
| 09:31:42 | Coldtoast | drive |
| 09:31:48 | Membrillo | ^^^ or that would work |
| 09:32:20 | Coldtoast | either way, you're out of luck huh? |
| 09:32:46 | Membrillo | ill see what i can do though. ill work something out |
| 09:32:56 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 09:33:06 | Coldtoast | wonder if you could maybe corrupt the data on teh HDD or something |
| 09:33:12 | Membrillo | probably just find a 1.8" to IDE adapter |
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| 09:33:50 | Coldtoast | http://cgi.ebay.com.au/iPod-1-8-Hard-drive-to-3-5-desktop-IDE-Adapter_W0QQitemZ5830688720QQcategoryZ48680QQssPageNameZWD2VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 09:33:52 | Coldtoast | there you go |
| 09:33:56 | Coldtoast | $0.99 |
| 09:33:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Wait a second |
| 09:34:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | If it's an 1.8" type HD, couldn't you also put it in a RB flashed H120/140, or even possibly an iPod to reformat it? |
| 09:34:31 | Coldtoast | you're looking at $9 |
| 09:34:46 | Coldtoast | he has no access to ANY other iriver tho |
| 09:34:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | I thought they're all using the MKXXXXGAL or GAH HDs? |
| 09:34:51 | whatboutbob | membrillo: where in oz r u? |
| 09:35:08 | Membrillo | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah but no one i know has an iriver or willing to open their pod |
| 09:35:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah, not willing to open their iPod |
| 09:35:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bah |
| 09:35:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | No sense of adventure |
| 09:35:27 | Coldtoast | if you're in Launceston you can come to my place :) |
| 09:35:27 | Membrillo | http://www.span.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=4267 |
| 09:35:46 | Membrillo | lol |
| 09:35:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm in... *shudders* Texas. |
| 09:35:56 | Coldtoast | why not buy the one I pointed out? |
| 09:35:58 | Membrillo | that ones 24 pounds |
| 09:36:06 | Membrillo | yeah i know |
| 09:36:11 | Membrillo | i will |
| 09:36:15 | Membrillo | Im in Newcastle NSW |
| 09:36:38 | Coldtoast | Silverchair territory eh? |
| 09:36:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just a little ways off. |
| 09:36:43 | whatboutbob | hehe...so i can't help u out either (melbourne) |
| 09:36:43 | Membrillo | yep |
| 09:36:52 | Membrillo | my friend lives next door to Daniel Johns |
| 09:37:21 | Coldtoast | you should go round there, punch Daniel in teh head and shove Subway down his throat |
| 09:37:36 | Coldtoast | tell him to eat something ffs |
| 09:37:52 | Membrillo | haha ok sure |
| 09:38:01 | whatboutbob | ct: where in launie r u? |
| 09:38:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Who is Daniel Johns? |
| 09:38:07 | Coldtoast | Mowbray |
| 09:38:08 | Membrillo | his house is huuuuuuge |
| 09:38:36 | Membrillo | his and whoever his wife is.... Imbruligia? |
| 09:39:12 | Membrillo | Paul_The_Nerd: A singer from an awesome Australian Band |
| 09:39:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aah |
| 09:39:45 | Coldtoast | well, "awesome" is such an objective thing |
| 09:39:51 | Zak1392 | silverchair |
| 09:40:02 | Zak1392 | right? |
| 09:40:06 | Coldtoast | yup |
| 09:40:12 | Membrillo | haha I just like them because theyre local |
| 09:40:13 | Coldtoast | now Dissociatives |
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| 09:40:26 | Membrillo | i like dissociatives more methinks |
| 09:40:46 | whatboutbob | ct: that's right near newnham isn't it? |
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| 09:41:18 | whatboutbob | paul mac grates on me a bit |
| 09:41:23 | Coldtoast | it is |
| 09:41:37 | whatboutbob | (got a bunch of mates there) |
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| 09:41:53 | Membrillo | *sigh* the australian idol final is on. Shannol knoll takes it up the ass |
| 09:41:58 | Coldtoast | Newnham is about, oh, 3 mins drive from here |
| 09:42:04 | Membrillo | Shannon Noll i think actually |
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| 09:42:41 | Membrillo | I went and saw Cat Empire on saturday. Anyone like them? Theyre freaking amazing live |
| 09:42:51 | Jungti1234 | hey Zak1392 |
| 09:42:52 | Coldtoast | they're ok live |
| 09:42:56 | Coldtoast | I've seen them twice |
| 09:43:03 | whatboutbob | membrillo: yeah..love 'em live. not a fan of their albums. |
| 09:43:05 | Membrillo | i think theyre awesome live |
| 09:43:06 | Coldtoast | you know the singer who also plays trumpet? |
| 09:43:16 | whatboutbob | harry |
| 09:43:16 | Coldtoast | know who his Aunt is? |
| 09:43:18 | Membrillo | yep, im friends with him |
| 09:43:45 | Membrillo | i dont know who his aunt is lol |
| 09:43:55 | Coldtoast | the chick who played Kylie Mole |
| 09:44:12 | Membrillo | who? |
| 09:44:33 | whatboutbob | that'd be enough to put you off chewing gum as akid... |
| 09:44:42 | Coldtoast | Mary-Anne Fahey |
| 09:44:56 | Coldtoast | at least they put on a show tho |
| 09:45:03 | Membrillo | hahaha |
| 09:45:04 | Coldtoast | and their concerts are kinda long |
| 09:45:11 | Membrillo | are you going to Homebake CT? |
| 09:45:11 | Coldtoast | I've worked at 2 of them |
| 09:45:30 | Membrillo | oh well, i think its worth it. |
| 09:45:44 | Coldtoast | I've also worked at Machine Gun Fellatio, Hilltop Hoodz, COG (AWESOME AWESOME band!!!) |
| 09:45:55 | Membrillo | yeah Cog rock |
| 09:45:57 | whatboutbob | hehe...my shuffle just started playing the cat empire covering Dumb Things by paul kelly. |
| 09:45:58 | Coldtoast | Butterfinger |
| 09:46:10 | Membrillo | I was going to go see them play with Shihad here in Newcastle |
| 09:46:12 | whatboutbob | CT: going to BDO then? |
| 09:46:14 | Membrillo | but i didnt :P |
| 09:46:17 | Coldtoast | hell no :) |
| 09:46:36 | Membrillo | whatboutbob: Live at the Wireless? |
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| 09:46:59 | Membrillo | whatboutbob: You been to www.thecatempire.info? |
| 09:47:07 | whatboutbob | nah...taped from one of their melbourne shows. |
| 09:47:11 | Coldtoast | I'll be workign anyway. We had a staff meeting last ngith and the main man told us if anybody decides to take time off so we can go to the Falls Festival, we may as well resign now |
| 09:47:17 | whatboutbob | yeah...i lurk around .info |
| 09:47:29 | whatboutbob | damn. harsh. |
| 09:47:30 | Membrillo | ah ok |
| 09:47:36 | Coldtoast | nah. not really harsh |
| 09:47:49 | Coldtoast | it's fair enough really |
| 09:47:58 | whatboutbob | whaddaya do? |
| 09:48:05 | Jungti1234 | Is no there H300 developer here? |
| 09:48:07 | Coldtoast | Security |
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| 09:48:16 | whatboutbob | ah...fair enough. |
| 09:48:17 | Membrillo | whatboutbob: Membrillos my username there. i havent been there for a while, but im like 6th top poster i think |
| 09:48:18 | Coldtoast | nightclub security |
| 09:48:34 | whatboutbob | which club? not the saloon? :) |
| 09:48:39 | B4gder | Jungti1234: Rockbox is generic, we are Rockbox developers not H300 developers |
| 09:48:48 | * | Coldtoast blinks |
| 09:48:53 | Coldtoast | yep. Saloon |
| 09:49:02 | whatboutbob | mwaha. tell Ronnie he's a prick. |
| 09:49:18 | Coldtoast | he's not had anythign to do with the Saloon for about a year and a half |
| 09:49:27 | Coldtoast | we're in-house now |
| 09:49:32 | Coldtoast | Istarted with Ronnie tho |
| 09:49:40 | whatboutbob | damn...i've gotta catch up with him. its been a while. |
| 09:49:57 | Membrillo | Anyone going to see Jamiroquai this Australian tour? or the Chili Peppers next year? |
| 09:49:57 | Coldtoast | well, if you're ever here again, he runs The Metz now |
| 09:49:57 | whatboutbob | he's running that cafe-thing now...metro or whatever...forgot. |
| 09:50:02 | Coldtoast | how long since you've been here? |
| 09:50:05 | Jungti1234 | Did rockbox firmware update? |
| 09:50:07 | whatboutbob | metz...thatsit. |
| 09:50:38 | B4gder | Jungti1234: rockbox is updated all the time |
| 09:50:42 | Coldtoast | and if I wanna tell him he's a prick, I probably have to line up |
| 09:50:43 | Coldtoast | heh |
| 09:50:46 | whatboutbob | err...i was down there for a wedding beginning of last year... |
| 09:50:56 | whatboutbob | when did you start at the saloon? |
| 09:50:58 | Jungti1234 | aha.. |
| 09:51:11 | Coldtoast | did you know the Lounge Bar closed? |
| 09:51:16 | Coldtoast | 2.5years |
| 09:51:39 | whatboutbob | yeah. so did you work with li'l Nick? |
| 09:51:44 | Jungti1234 | Can I know what patch became? |
| 09:51:51 | Coldtoast | maybe |
| 09:52:00 | Coldtoast | when you were here, did you go to the Saloon at all? |
| 09:52:06 | Coldtoast | on either Wed, Fri or Sat? |
| 09:52:28 | whatboutbob | yeah...think we popped in on the Fri on the crawl home. |
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| 09:52:40 | Coldtoast | would probably have seen you then |
| 09:52:52 | whatboutbob | hehe...small world. |
| 09:53:00 | Coldtoast | indeed. heh |
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| 09:53:11 | Membrillo | Anyone from melbourne here? anyone go to Bennets Lane jazz club? |
| 09:53:36 | whatboutbob | membrillo: yup. was there last to see TCE actually. :) |
| 09:54:01 | Coldtoast | do you know a guy called Cameron Bonde? |
| 09:54:17 | whatboutbob | nope. don't go there that often. |
| 09:54:33 | whatboutbob | nice club tho. no smoking rocks. |
| 09:54:40 | Coldtoast | he releases music under the name Vectrex |
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| 09:54:53 | Membrillo | whatboutbob: damn, i wish i was at that gig. Apparently harry got smashed and spat all over the crowd. had a lot of friends there |
| 09:55:13 | whatboutbob | ct: not ringin any bells. |
| 09:55:35 | whatboutbob | membrillo: hehe...yeah...he was pretty pished for 1 of 'em...i think i've still got the tape here somewhere... |
| 09:55:47 | Membrillo | my friends brother just got asked to record Shannon nolls new album but rejected it because he thought it would harm his reputation lol |
| 09:56:00 | whatboutbob | mwaha |
| 09:56:09 | Jungti1234 | Who is Hristo Kovachev? |
| 09:56:49 | Membrillo | whatboutbob: you have a recording of that gig??? |
| 09:57:03 | Membrillo | whatboutbob: can you somehow hook me up with it? |
| 09:57:55 | whatboutbob | pm me on the forums. |
| 09:58:08 | whatboutbob | rb |
| 09:58:28 | Membrillo | which forums where |
| 09:59:07 | whatboutbob | rockbox forum |
| 09:59:19 | Membrillo | im not a member currently but i can soon become one |
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| 10:00:06 | whatboutbob | can i pm in here? if so, how (has been an age since i used irc) |
| 10:00:44 | Membrillo | just activating my account |
| 10:02:18 | Membrillo | PM me. Username = Membrillo |
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| 10:06:59 | Jungti1234 | Can't H300 play music yet? |
| 10:08:12 | Amar | it can if you use origonal FW |
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| 10:08:21 | Amar | ;) |
| 10:08:41 | Jungti1234 | Continuation appliance stops. |
| 10:08:54 | Jungti1234 | So slow. |
| 10:09:41 | B4gder | Jungti1234: when Rockbox works fine on the h300, we'll let you know |
| 10:10:07 | Jungti1234 | :D hehe.. |
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| 10:10:22 | Jungti1234 | WPS is small. |
| 10:10:34 | Jungti1234 | I will make. |
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| 10:13:26 | Jungti1234 | If pause, appliance pauses. |
| 10:16:40 | Jungti1234 | Euak! This is so slow. |
| 10:17:23 | Jungti1234 | LCD does not off. |
| 10:17:44 | Jungti1234 | Instead, appliance stops. |
| 10:24:14 | ashridah | Jungti1234: these are all known problems |
| 10:24:25 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 10:24:37 | ashridah | Jungti1234: rockbox cannot be used on H300 yet |
| 10:24:37 | Jungti1234 | So. |
| 10:24:38 | B4gder | Jungti1234: when Rockbox works fine on the h300, we'll let you know |
| 10:25:01 | Jungti1234 | ok ok |
| 10:25:02 | ashridah | Jungti1234: you should change back to iriver firmware for working H300 |
| 10:25:19 | Jungti1234 | ok |
| 10:25:24 | ashridah | (unless you plan to write some code to help develop it so it does work) |
| 10:25:37 | Jungti1234 | It knows me. |
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| 10:29:12 | Jungti1234 | Is clock possible? |
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| 10:39:27 | * | B4gder posts in the Toshiba-Gigabeat-Modifying google group |
| 10:40:56 | markun | B4gder: I received confirmation from Toshiba yesterday that they would send me the linux source, but it could take up to a month. |
| 10:41:03 | B4gder | ! |
| 10:41:20 | markun | They needed my address so they can send it by mail :) |
| 10:41:48 | linuxstb | I trust it will documented in Japanese... |
| 10:42:03 | B4gder | at least you can redistribute then |
| 10:42:53 | Cassandra | What is a Gigabeat? A linux based player? |
| 10:43:01 | B4gder | yes, from Toshiba |
| 10:43:12 | B4gder | quite new |
| 10:43:48 | markun | From what I have read the current firmware sucks.. so that is good :) |
| 10:44:08 | B4gder | so nothing new on that front then |
| 10:44:14 | Lynx_ | the gigabeat.com website makes me dizzy |
| 10:44:28 | B4gder | indeed |
| 10:44:47 | Cassandra | It's very ... urban. |
| 10:44:56 | markun | you can only put music on it with a special program or windows media player |
| 10:45:17 | Cassandra | No wonder you want the source. |
| 10:45:22 | B4gder | markun: one can hope that is a SW restriction |
| 10:45:51 | markun | B4gder: I'm pretty sure it is. You can also access the player with ums, but the files are encrypted.. |
| 10:45:59 | B4gder | ah, ok |
| 10:46:10 | B4gder | a bit similar like the ipods then |
| 10:46:32 | Jungti1234 | markun: At where does H100 Korean translation download? |
| 10:46:32 | ghode|afk | markun: are you going to work on a rbx port for the gigabeat? |
| 10:46:50 | markun | the dock uses the 1.1 usb from the samsung chip, the normal 2.0 port is from the usb ata bridge |
| 10:47:02 | Cassandra | Ah, the UK site is slightly less nauseating. |
| 10:47:11 | markun | also I read somewhere that it can use the dock as a usb host port. |
| 10:47:29 | markun | ghode|afk: I would like to |
| 10:47:35 | B4gder | I believe the chip can work as a host |
| 10:47:38 | markun | but I don't own a player yet |
| 10:48:28 | markun | I also mailed Samsung for the differences between the S3C2440A and S3C2440AL-30 |
| 10:48:56 | ghode|afk | i remember when it was first announced it seemed like a great player, and then i read the software features then cried :/ |
| 10:49:17 | B4gder | it has a mighty powerful cpu |
| 10:49:24 | B4gder | and way hires lcd |
| 10:49:51 | ghode|afk | the gigabeat? |
| 10:49:53 | markun | You would expect such features in a video player.. |
| 10:49:59 | B4gder | ghode|afk: yes |
| 10:50:10 | ghode|afk | one of the best looking dap screens i've seen |
| 10:50:10 | Cassandra | That's very odd. It appears to have 2 USB ports on the bottom (1 is non-standard). |
| 10:50:32 | Cassandra | It's certainly reaching iPod levels of pretty. |
| 10:50:43 | Slasheri | btw, is the tagdatabase that is currently available for rockbox, a ram based solution like dircache or disk only database? |
| 10:50:52 | markun | Cassandra: The big port is the dock connector, but the internal USB is also connected to that. |
| 10:51:29 | * | amiconn blames TiMiD for breaking early USB on archos :/ |
| 10:51:49 | amiconn | screen_access_init() happens way too late, in browse_root() |
| 10:52:17 | B4gder | Slasheri: disk based, it needs to work on Archos... |
| 10:52:20 | Cassandra | So move it earlier then? |
| 10:52:45 | markun | B4gder: I think we identified all the major components of the gigabeat, or am I wrong? |
| 10:53:01 | Cassandra | B4gder, it'd be nice if it worked at all. It's still very flaky. |
| 10:53:16 | B4gder | it is |
| 10:53:21 | B4gder | but no one works on it |
| 10:53:32 | B4gder | and hardly ever did |
| 10:53:40 | Slasheri | B4gder: ah, ok. I just though if it could be possible to combine it with little effort with dircache. And metadata-functions could be used to update the database on the players itself too. Or maybe it would be simpler to write a player based solution from scracth? |
| 10:53:45 | amiconn | It has to go in main.c, early enough for usb_screen() to work |
| 10:54:19 | amiconn | I'll check that tonight |
| 10:54:37 | amiconn | (got a bug report today by my most reliable tester) :) |
| 10:55:58 | B4gder | markun: that's possible, I only have an overview of the details |
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| 10:58:44 | Jungti1234 | hey |
| 10:59:09 | Slasheri | Hmm, if nobody minds, i will remote the wma format from supported file formats now |
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| 10:59:30 | Jungti1234 | Can't H300 mark color bmp yet? |
| 10:59:30 | B4gder | I think it is there to support playlists with wma in them |
| 10:59:53 | Mindship | I'm at school, pondering a bit about request 955078 |
| 10:59:57 | Slasheri | B4gder: ah, ok :/ |
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| 11:00:25 | Mindship | When you move the constants from apps/recorder/icons.c to a file |
| 11:00:26 | Slasheri | then the playback engine has to be fixed not to "hang" with wma files |
| 11:00:32 | B4gder | yes |
| 11:00:38 | Mindship | this file may not reside on the HDD |
| 11:01:06 | Mindship | so, it should reside where the compiled icons.c is stored |
| 11:01:10 | Mindship | where is this? |
| 11:01:12 | amiconn | Slasheri: The playback engine needs to be fixed not to hang with any file, be it supported format or not |
| 11:01:15 | Mindship | and how to get there? |
| 11:01:20 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Maybe you could fix it by using the return value from get_metadata() ? This could fix the m4a problem as well. |
| 11:01:39 | linuxstb | The principle is that get_metadata() returns false if the file is unplayable. |
| 11:01:44 | Slasheri | amiconn: yes, true |
| 11:01:52 | linuxstb | get_metadata() should also identify the codec needed for the file. |
| 11:01:59 | Slasheri | linuxstb: Hmm, sounds possible to do |
| 11:02:04 | amiconn | Apart from that, I encountered the 'follow playlist' bug again today :( |
| 11:02:19 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 11:02:29 | Slasheri | amiconn: what kind of bug is that? |
| 11:03:35 | amiconn | 'Follow playlist' doesn't work when just resuming after poweron, and the playlist ends normally (not stopped by hand) |
| 11:04:20 | Slasheri | linuxstb: Hmm, it seems playback engine should already skip files if get_metadata returns false |
| 11:04:38 | Slasheri | interesting |
| 11:04:46 | Mindship | got to go (class)! |
| 11:05:04 | linuxstb | Slasheri: But I seem to remember the return code not always being checked. |
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| 11:05:33 | Slasheri | linuxstb: it looks that get_metadata has true as the default value.. |
| 11:05:38 | Slasheri | probably that should be changed to false |
| 11:05:47 | Slasheri | then it should work |
| 11:06:02 | linuxstb | Slasheri: I see you've already changed playback.c to only call get_metadata() once. There used to be more calls. |
| 11:06:20 | Slasheri | ah :) |
| 11:06:28 | Slasheri | those gones are long gone |
| 11:06:31 | Slasheri | +calls |
| 11:07:07 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Yes, get_metadata() doesn't do what I said it does :) |
| 11:07:16 | amiconn | Slasheri, linuxstb: get_metadata() could return one of the AFMT_* values to indicate the needed codec |
| 11:07:16 | Slasheri | so with unsupported file format it should return false |
| 11:07:18 | Slasheri | hehe :) |
| 11:07:45 | Slasheri | amiconn: Hmm, good idea in fact :) |
| 11:07:47 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Or it can just change the audio format in the track_info struct. |
| 11:07:57 | linuxstb | s/Slasheri/amiconn/ |
| 11:07:57 | amiconn | It's very useful that there is also AFMT_UNKNOWN ... |
| 11:09:15 | Jungti1234 | My speech is not interested not at all. |
| 11:09:22 | linuxstb | For the WMA problem, we could just add an AFMT_WMA to the switch and always return false. |
| 11:09:46 | linuxstb | I think I need to look at get_metadata() in more detail to make sure it does what I intended. |
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| 11:14:21 | Zak1392 | you guys are really active, eh? |
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| 11:19:49 | Zak1392 | hello? |
| 11:21:03 | Slasheri | linuxstb: i found also a little bug in playback.c preventing skipping when codec loading fails. Fixing it. And if you fix the metadata.c, then everything should work fine :) |
| 11:21:47 | Zak1392 | what do you mean by everything? |
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| 11:23:16 | B4gder | the whole universe will then be fine and world peace is here! |
| 11:24:20 | Slasheri | :) |
| 11:25:17 | Jungti1234 | hmm... |
| 11:26:10 | Zak1392 | oh, okay then. that's pretty cool. how long should it take? |
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| 11:27:15 | Coldtoast | does that really matter? heh |
| 11:27:32 | Zak1392 | yeah |
| 11:27:35 | amiconn | Slasheri: Nah, not everything. There are still numerous problems with voice UI on iriver... |
| 11:27:58 | Zak1392 | oh wait! you guys don't estimate release dates do you? |
| 11:28:13 | B4gder | we do when you pay us for it |
| 11:28:31 | B4gder | I'll do it for 200USD/date |
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| 11:28:53 | B4gder | and then you'll get the estimate with a silver frame |
| 11:29:36 | Zak1392 | okay |
| 11:29:37 | Zak1392 | lol |
| 11:30:53 | Coldtoast | it'd be cool if you could set z-indexed for things in teh WPS |
| 11:31:09 | Coldtoast | err. z-indexes |
| 11:32:52 | Zak1392 | *IMPROPER GRAMMAR ALERT!* |
| 11:32:57 | Zak1392 | lol |
| 11:33:05 | DMJC | anyone know about voip phones and linux? |
| 11:33:13 | DMJC | or howto extract data from elf files? |
| 11:33:47 | Zak1392 | short answer: nope. long answer: no and never will. |
| 11:34:17 | Coldtoast | I I was aligning stuff and noticed you get flickering where %s was scolling over an image and it'd have to keep redrawing (I suppose cos the image and text were trying to share the same zindex so they alternate) |
| 11:35:10 | Coldtoast | probably a tad tricky to impelent tho I suppose |
| 11:38:00 | Zak1392 | i could do it |
| 11:38:13 | Coldtoast | rightio |
| 11:38:47 | Zak1392 | actually i can't |
| 11:38:54 | Zak1392 | im pretty stupid |
| 11:39:05 | Zak1392 | i've been having brain farts all day |
| 11:39:06 | Coldtoast | ah damn. I had my hopes up there for a second too |
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| 11:39:54 | tucoz | B4gder, TexNoel in the wiki is a spammer |
| 11:40:49 | B4gder | how can you tell? |
| 11:40:51 | | Join ^BeN^ [0] (i=Paprica@CBL217-132-130-72.bb.netvision.net.il) |
| 11:40:54 | tucoz | Or so it seems, I noticed yesterday that his and a lot of other profiles and also DocsIndex were filled with spam links. |
| 11:41:18 | B4gder | aha |
| 11:41:27 | tucoz | Becuase TexNoel was the one that had added spam links to all of those pages |
| 11:42:18 | tucoz | I thought I just get rid of the links as soon as possible, and rather tell you about it when you were around. |
| 11:42:31 | B4gder | I've deleted him now |
| 11:42:39 | tucoz | nice |
| 11:42:42 | B4gder | I'll add an IP-level block if he returns |
| 11:43:23 | Jungti1234 | Foreigner's concept is different from Korean. |
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| 11:43:38 | B4gder | I'm no foreigner! |
| 11:43:40 | tucoz | cool, seems like the block on HanSolo works. |
| 11:44:02 | B4gder | yes, I think so |
| 11:45:27 | tucoz | I wonder if the notorious wiki spammers get rich doing it. It sure is annoying anyway. |
| 11:45:48 | Coldtoast | it's become the thing to do lately |
| 11:45:52 | ashridah | tucoz: very few spammers get rich. the rest just think they will. |
| 11:46:07 | Coldtoast | ppl posting spam on blogs as well |
| 11:47:41 | tucoz | ah, that is true. And also guesbooks. Some guestbooks are totally unusable. I remember once having a guestbook on a page. If one clicked to enter the guestbook, you were immediatley redirected to som rather nasy porn-site. Quite annoying. |
| 11:47:54 | tucoz | *nasty |
| 11:48:03 | Coldtoast | good times |
| 11:51:39 | tucoz | I just read a post in the mailing list regarding the %mp tag. It seems that the stop function is useless (as stop moves you back to the file-browser) |
| 11:52:08 | tucoz | http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2005-11/0261.shtml |
| 11:54:34 | tucoz | I think there are some confusion in the h300 crowd when a player is a brick and not. |
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| 12:01:10 | Coldtoast | that's true (about %mp) |
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| 12:08:41 | yingi | does anyone know when there will be a playstation three emulator on rockbox? |
| 12:09:55 | Zak1392 | you're kidding, right? |
| 12:10:01 | yingi | actually, I'm having trouble getting the UI simulator to work under ubuntu ... |
| 12:10:16 | yingi | of course! |
| 12:10:33 | * | Zak1392 slaps yingi around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:10:55 | yingi | is it only windows? |
| 12:11:13 | Zak1392 | what? |
| 12:11:40 | yingi | sorry .. stupid question ... are there any packages i have to install to get the ui simulator to work? |
| 12:12:23 | yingi | (i can compile normal) |
| 12:13:46 | solexx_ | is there any known breakage in recent builds? |
| 12:13:55 | solexx_ | my iriver doesn't boot rockbox anymore |
| 12:13:59 | solexx_ | but the iriver firmware |
| 12:14:12 | solexx_ | (h120) |
| 12:14:33 | Coldtoast | tried copying the files again? |
| 12:15:00 | solexx_ | Coldtoast: not yet, I am at work ;) |
| 12:15:16 | Coldtoast | ok. I update mine at least once a day and it's working fine |
| 12:15:43 | solexx_ | thx. I updated this morning (~5 hours ago, most recent build) |
| 12:15:45 | solexx_ | will try again |
| 12:15:58 | solexx_ | I just wanted to make sure I didn't miss sth. |
| 12:15:59 | Coldtoast | I update with the bleeding edge builds |
| 12:16:12 | * | solexx_ too |
| 12:16:40 | Coldtoast | ok. I've not had any failures tho. sounds like corruption from your end I reckon |
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| 12:18:09 | solexx_ | Nevermind. Works again. Whatever... |
| 12:18:16 | Coldtoast | heh |
| 12:18:30 | solexx_ | damn, iriver fw is so ugly |
| 12:18:38 | Coldtoast | it sure is |
| 12:18:44 | solexx_ | it didn't even show playlists |
| 12:21:08 | Coldtoast | the only thing I miss from the iriver fw is SRS |
| 12:21:35 | solexx_ | I prefer not to use any equalizer settings |
| 12:21:48 | Coldtoast | depends on your earphones and taste |
| 12:22:35 | Coldtoast | I bet there are some earphones where you woudn't mind some EQ |
| 12:22:49 | solexx_ | ACK |
| 12:24:32 | Coldtoast | I don't see anything wrong with EQ at all myself. some ppl say stupid crap like "You hear what the artist intended only when the EQ is flat" but the prob with that stateent is that's really only the sace is you listen to it with the equipment the artist was using (or something equivalent) |
| 12:24:47 | Coldtoast | sace=case |
| 12:25:15 | Coldtoast | and I bet the % of ppl with reference quality equipment isn't THAT huge |
| 12:25:23 | solexx_ | true |
| 12:25:46 | Coldtoast | I use these $20 Philips earphones that need a bit of extra bass |
| 12:25:55 | Coldtoast | plus I like bass heavy stuff :) |
| 12:26:12 | solexx_ | I just don't start fiddling with the eq because then I never find a good setting for everything I hear |
| 12:26:23 | Coldtoast | yeah |
| 12:26:36 | solexx_ | I am using Koss Plugs |
| 12:26:43 | solexx_ | but I don't like them very much |
| 12:27:03 | Coldtoast | I was thinkign of buying some ER6s |
| 12:27:29 | solexx_ | if only they were more affordable... |
| 12:27:31 | Coldtoast | but then I thought "I'm not spending $200AUD on a pair of earphones that'll get wrecked at the gym or at work" |
| 12:27:42 | solexx_ | ACK |
| 12:27:51 | wubbla | i can recommend sennheiser px100! |
| 12:28:01 | wubbla | they are definitely worth the money |
| 12:28:19 | solexx_ | I prefer in-canal earphones |
| 12:28:26 | Coldtoast | yeah |
| 12:28:35 | linuxstb | I'm thinking of adding a new feature and am wondering if anyone would be strongly against adding it to CVS. I want to be able to create (empty) files of the form "General Settings.menu", "Sound Settings.menu" etc which will cause Rockbox to call the appropriate menu function when selected from the filesystem. |
| 12:28:43 | solexx_ | the phones from sony are quite good, imo |
| 12:28:50 | Coldtoast | these Philips earphones. I discovered how to mod them to be kinda in-ear |
| 12:28:59 | Cassandra | linuxstb, nationalisation nightmare. |
| 12:29:20 | linuxstb | I'm planning on implementing this by using the filename to search the language strings to find the appropriate language id for that string. I'll then call the menu based on the language id. |
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| 12:29:47 | Coldtoast | they have a rubber ring around the outer part of the housing (under the baffles). If you remove the ring, they push into your ear slightly |
| 12:29:55 | linuxstb | So the ".menu" filenames will have to match the standard name for that menu item in the currently selected language. |
| 12:29:58 | Cassandra | Even so, you'd need a huge lookup table, and it really doesn't gain you very much. |
| 12:30:08 | Cassandra | Seems kind of superfluous really. |
| 12:30:09 | solexx_ | linuxstb: this won't work very well with players which are used in several languages |
| 12:30:13 | linuxstb | We already have the lookup table - the language system. |
| 12:30:39 | Cassandra | You need a mapping string -> function. That's not really done. |
| 12:30:44 | linuxstb | solexx_: In which case, such users can create .menu files in different languages. |
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| 12:31:13 | linuxstb | Cassandra: That's trivial. It may not be efficient (searching through all the strings), but it will still be fast enough for my needs. |
| 12:31:26 | Cassandra | I don't have any huge objections. I'm just a bit concerned that Rockbox is getting rather full of unnecessary features. |
| 12:31:49 | Cassandra | It's more the memory it will use that concerns me. |
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| 12:31:54 | linuxstb | I'm not saying this will replace the menu, but will give users the ability to (for example) put some frequently accessed menu items in their directory structure for quick access. |
| 12:31:55 | Cassandra | Particularly on Archos. |
| 12:32:14 | linuxstb | I think the code will be very small. But I understand your point. |
| 12:32:51 | linuxstb | I guess it depends if others apart from me would use such a feature. |
| 12:33:22 | Cassandra | I can see the point, it's effectively a menu customisation system, which is something some people want. I'm just not sure it's worth the cost. |
| 12:34:00 | linuxstb | I think the cost will be tiny, but I'll implement it and find out. |
| 12:34:31 | Cassandra | *nod* |
| 12:34:44 | linuxstb | It's just a simple loop to search the language strings, and then a switch based on the language id that loop finds. |
| 12:35:03 | Cassandra | I really need to think about seperating "advanced functionality" of Rockbox from core features. |
| 12:35:16 | linuxstb | Are you talking about the documentation? |
| 12:35:32 | Cassandra | It's currently very good at being all singing and dancing, but it's a bit in danger of becoming the Microsoft Word of MP3 players. |
| 12:35:38 | Cassandra | Partially, yes. |
| 12:35:53 | perplexity | If it gets "clippy" I'm going to commit suicide |
| 12:36:11 | Cassandra | Although I believe that Rockbox can be altered to separate the two more clearly. |
| 12:36:33 | Lynx_ | "I see you are trying to create a playlist. Would you like me to help?" |
| 12:36:38 | perplexity | "It looks like you are going to play an .mp3" "Would you like me to a) scramble your flash, b) play it backwards, c) bluescreen the player" |
| 12:36:42 | Cassandra | I'd actually like to introduce a "simple settings" mode where a lot of the complexity is hidden from the user. |
| 12:37:16 | Cassandra | Now with H3xx support, we can have real blue screens. Now that's progress for you. |
| 12:37:16 | perplexity | I think that is a grand idea |
| 12:37:26 | linuxstb | But how would the user discover the advanced features? I think the most important aim is to try and make the advanced features more accessible without the need to read a manual. |
| 12:37:28 | perplexity | I want mine colour configurable thanks |
| 12:37:32 | Lynx_ | Cassandra: i thought about that, would be useful |
| 12:38:04 | Cassandra | Well, by turning the "simple settings" option off. |
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| 12:39:12 | linuxstb | So certain features would be disabled in "simple settings" ? |
| 12:39:57 | Zak1392 | i just put rockbox on my h340!!! |
| 12:40:03 | Zak1392 | works like a charm! |
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| 12:41:22 | Cassandra | Well, the ability to change certain settings. |
| 12:41:32 | baobab68 | Zak: Int'l H340? |
| 12:41:33 | Cassandra | I'm not sure about actually removing features. |
| 12:41:42 | Zak1392 | yep, int |
| 12:42:13 | baobab68 | zak: you're sure now? your answer will help me decide whether to try on my h320 |
| 12:42:36 | Cassandra | I'm sure that the complexity of Rockbox puts some people off. |
| 12:42:43 | linuxstb | I agree about settings menus - they need re-organising and more obscure features hidden in an "Advanced options" menu or something. |
| 12:42:49 | Cassandra | I mean, think about it, how many female users do we have? |
| 12:42:52 | perplexity | I suspect just hiding a number of the configration options and leaving them default in Simple Mode would be a neat idea |
| 12:42:56 | Cassandra | Well, there's me, and ... erm. |
| 12:43:34 | baobab68 | cassandra - are you saying female users can't *handle* complexity, or just don't like it? |
| 12:43:37 | Zak1392 | it works fine on int versions |
| 12:43:59 | linuxstb | One thing I would like is to make all the options available via menus. We could still have the obscure key combinations, but a consistent context menu giving all possible actions would make Rockbox easier to use. |
| 12:44:31 | Cassandra | A lot of them are turned off by the kind of extreme tweakability Rockbox offers. |
| 12:44:33 | Coldtoast | do you think the complexity does put ppl off tho? after all, they've had to patch the iriver firmware, flash the new firmware and then download and install Rockbox itself |
| 12:45:11 | baobab68 | my sister is like that: "what do you mean OGG is a better file format? can't I just use ITunes" |
| 12:45:14 | preglow | you dont exactly _have_ to tweak it. i more or less use rockbox as is |
| 12:45:16 | Coldtoast | I'd have thought anybody able to handle that level of complexity would be ok with the number of settings |
| 12:45:32 | Cassandra | The thing is, it *looks* scary. |
| 12:45:43 | Cassandra | It's all about perception. |
| 12:45:55 | baobab68 | zak: and so with the RB bootloader installed are you definitely able to get to and from iriver firmware with no problems? |
| 12:46:09 | Coldtoast | I think most ppl would describe it as "deep" rather than "complex" |
| 12:46:21 | baobab68 | by holding rec and pressing play, or whatever the combination is? |
| 12:46:37 | linuxstb | Cassandra: Do you think making the main menu the first thing people see would help? |
| 12:46:43 | Zak1392 | bao: yep |
| 12:46:51 | linuxstb | (and obviously adding a Browse Files option) |
| 12:47:05 | Cassandra | I'm not sure. Possibly. |
| 12:47:14 | baobab68 | zak: so what the hell is happening to all those ppl who claim that they can't flip between firmwares? |
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| 12:47:51 | Cassandra | I'd also like to see a graphical WPS as a default. Again, plain text is psychologically intimidating to some people. |
| 12:48:12 | preglow | Cassandra: think i'm with you on that one |
| 12:48:16 | linuxstb | And possibly a "friendlier" (i.e. larger) default font. |
| 12:48:21 | baobab68 | my 2c - the iriver and the ipod both come up with a "WPS" as the main screen. ready for you to press play to continue from where you left off... |
| 12:48:39 | perplexity | I must admit the default h3xx wps looks all touchy/feely and gives you the warm fuzzies.. the default RockBox text wps just looks agricultural |
| 12:49:03 | thegeek | Cassandra : indeed |
| 12:49:12 | thegeek | I've said it before and I'll say it again |
| 12:49:13 | baobab68 | "agricultural"???!! |
| 12:49:19 | thegeek | engineer 2 or iAmp 1.5 |
| 12:49:21 | linuxstb | One problem I think is that there is a tendency for new features to be disabled by default. So good features like the dircache are not used. |
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| 12:49:33 | thegeek | both very popular, nice looking and practical |
| 12:49:39 | Cassandra | Well, I'm kind of partial to "boxes" myself. ;) |
| 12:49:45 | perplexity | yes, agricultural.. like the old Wyse Terminals of yore.. |
| 12:49:49 | amiconn | Cassandra: We have female users, and I think they can handle the "complexity" |
| 12:49:57 | Cassandra | Plus it has Rockbox branding. |
| 12:49:58 | leftright | Slasheri: you here ? |
| 12:50:09 | Cassandra | amiconn, I think they can too. |
| 12:50:11 | Slasheri | leftright: hi, yes :) |
| 12:50:12 | leftright | got a bug for you :-) |
| 12:50:14 | baobab68 | zak: going to answer my query? |
| 12:50:17 | Slasheri | :D |
| 12:50:19 | amiconn | linuxstb: Regading configurable menus, that was already discussed multiple times |
| 12:50:20 | Cassandra | It's a question of getting them to a point where they want to. |
| 12:50:23 | Slasheri | leftright: nice ;) |
| 12:50:47 | linuxstb | amiconn: But was the solution of files in the filesystem suggested? |
| 12:50:51 | elinenbe | I think the theme folder should be set up for each different model... |
| 12:51:06 | Cassandra | And it's not *just* female users. I just give the low numbers of female users as an example of how we're not addressing everyone's needs. |
| 12:51:11 | elinenbe | boxes looks great on an h1xx, but like crud on a h3xx |
| 12:51:14 | amiconn | I'm strongly against a configurable main menu, it will make support a nightmare |
| 12:51:40 | elinenbe | likewise... a player theme will probably look awful on a h1xx, etc... |
| 12:51:41 | leftright | Slasheri: the file counter in wps doesn't get udated if a file is deleted within a directory, it does update if stop and then play is selected |
| 12:51:46 | ripnetuk | are we supposed to ship example graphical wps's with rockbox now? when i do a make zip, i get a message about No wps module present, can't do the WPS magic! - am i missing something in checkout or is it work in progress? |
| 12:51:57 | amiconn | I think a user-configurable "user menu" could be the way to go |
| 12:52:03 | linuxstb | amiconn: I disagree. If a user customises his/her menu, then he/she is advanced enough not to need support. |
| 12:52:15 | Cassandra | elinenbe, I'll probably do a H3xx boxes at some point, when the 3xx WPS code is more stable, and when we have a working sim, since I don't own a 3xx myself. |
| 12:52:22 | preglow | ripnetuk: yeah, you can check a wps dir out of cvs now |
| 12:52:29 | amiconn | The configurable menu could replace the quickscreen(s) |
| 12:52:31 | Slasheri | leftright: Hmm, the file counter is in fact playlist entry counter.. So there is no obvious way to update it when file is deleted |
| 12:52:36 | elinenbe | Cassandra: time to go buy a new player ;) |
| 12:52:47 | amiconn | In fact work on this was even started back in archos-opnly times, just never finished |
| 12:52:48 | Cassandra | elinenbe: I already own 3. |
| 12:53:07 | baobab68 | once you have it set up, how much do you need to go into menus anyway? |
| 12:53:08 | Cassandra | If I bought a player for every Rockbox platform, I'd be even more broke than I am now. |
| 12:53:09 | amiconn | Cassandra: I *know* one |
| 12:53:34 | ripnetuk | ta :) checking oiut now |
| 12:53:38 | Cassandra | amiconn, I *am* one, remember. I'm not claiming we don't exist. |
| 12:53:41 | leftright | the total number of files doesn't get updated if a file is deleted, its no biggie, just thought I'd mention it |
| 12:54:03 | amiconn | Cassandra: Yes of course. Then I actually know two :) |
| 12:54:22 | * | Cassandra grins. |
| 12:54:59 | leftright | gotta go, thanks folks for a fine product |
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| 12:55:41 | solexx_ | will AAC be supported in the future or does it have the same problems as wma? |
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| 12:56:07 | linuxstb | solexx_: AAC is already supported. It just isn't optimised yet so doesn't quite playback in realtime. |
| 12:57:03 | solexx_ | linuxstb: thx. I just read in the wiki that aac isn't supported and rockbox did something but I don't know what it did :) |
| 12:57:19 | linuxstb | Where in the wiki? |
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| 12:58:08 | solexx_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison |
| 12:58:23 | solexx_ | and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs but it's not clear on the topic |
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| 12:58:35 | LinusN | Slasheri: u there? |
| 12:58:50 | * | Cassandra decides to go round and personally molest every H3xx user that installs Rockbox then complains it doesn't work. |
| 12:59:24 | stu3_ | Molest ay? |
| 12:59:38 | stu3_ | Ummm, i think mine isn't working all of a sudden ;-). |
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| 13:00:52 | LinusN | i looked at your recent commits and noticed some gui_syncsplash() calls in playback.c |
| 13:01:26 | baobab68 | I know it must be annoying and you guys could get more done without ppl complaining about something they shouldn't be installing anyway.... |
| 13:01:31 | LinusN | it suddenly struck me that calling lcd drawing functions is really only allowed in the main thread |
| 13:01:52 | linuxstb | solexx_: I've changed the FeatureComparison page now. I hope that is more accurate. |
| 13:01:59 | LinusN | baobab68: it indeed is |
| 13:02:12 | linuxstb | solexx_: The SoundCodecs is a more technical page about the codecs. |
| 13:02:17 | Zak1392 | i'm playing pokemon on my h340 now ;) |
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| 13:02:30 | solexx_ | linuxstb: thanks a lot |
| 13:02:34 | baobab68 | but ppl are just really excited. we've been listening to h100 owners rave about rockbox for so long, and now it's coming along for h3xx owners too... |
| 13:02:59 | baobab68 | and don't forget the long waits for firmware updates from iriver... |
| 13:03:35 | stu3_ | Have iriver stated that they will make anymore adjustments to the H3XX firmware? |
| 13:03:58 | baobab68 | supposedly a new one for release within "a couple of weeks" but they won't say what's in it. |
| 13:04:17 | Slasheri | LinusN: hi :) |
| 13:04:36 | baobab68 | the general consensus is that it might have WAV recording. Some are hoping for OTF playlists as well. |
| 13:04:37 | stu3_ | Ah i see. I doubt they will really put anything of huge benefit into it now anyway. |
| 13:04:48 | Slasheri | LinusN: Hmm, true. The functions in fact don't work very well in playback.c.. |
| 13:04:50 | stu3_ | Well...that would be cool |
| 13:05:03 | baobab68 | why should they? they already have my money, and they've released like a million other products since then. |
| 13:05:08 | Slasheri | Probably a better way should be implemented to output error messages from playback engine |
| 13:05:16 | LinusN | Slasheri: yes |
| 13:05:23 | LinusN | oops, gotta go |
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| 13:05:28 | stu3_ | yeah true, its sad isn't it, really says something about the kind of people they are. |
| 13:05:29 | baobab68 | it'd be like me asking Sanyo to add a hi-def feature to my TV 10 yrs after purchase |
| 13:05:47 | baobab68 | (I wonder if they would? :-) |
| 13:06:20 | stu3_ | Hehe, you should ask them ;-) |
| 13:07:10 | stu3_ | "The salesman told me it would be the best thing for at least the next 10 years, so whats all this i hear about HD?" |
| 13:07:27 | baobab68 | "and I can't reboot my TV back into 1930's film mode by holding REC and pressing PLAY" |
| 13:07:57 | stu3_ | But you can get that mode by pushing it down a flight of stairs and throwing mud at the screen. |
| 13:08:35 | B4gder | if I objdump -O binary, can I then make a dissassemble on that binary with objdump? |
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| 13:11:11 | amiconn | B4gder: yes. |
| 13:11:17 | webguest71 | anybody in the team tested rockbox on h3xx int. ? |
| 13:11:49 | amiconn | m68k-elf-objdump −−target binary −−architecture m68k:5249 −−adjust-vma 0x31000000 -D rockbox.bin |
| 13:11:59 | B4gder | thanks! |
| 13:12:02 | amiconn | The -D is the key |
| 13:12:09 | amiconn | (disassemble everyting) |
| 13:12:30 | Febs | webguest71: some users on Mistic River have reported installing the bootloader on an international H300 without problems. |
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| 13:13:01 | webguest71 | but you cant guarrante its safe=? |
| 13:13:10 | Zak1392 | i installed it on my int h340 and it works fine |
| 13:13:15 | B4gder | webguest71: we will NEVER guarantee that |
| 13:13:19 | webguest71 | ;) |
| 13:13:22 | ripnetuk | i cant guarentee that upgrading the original iriver fw is safe |
| 13:13:31 | ripnetuk | flashing is always a slight risk |
| 13:13:34 | webguest71 | how about the music playback :? |
| 13:13:50 | Febs | There is no music playback yet on H300. |
| 13:13:55 | Zak1392 | you have to use the iriver firmware or else it freezes |
| 13:14:11 | preglow | linuxstb: btw, you didn't use the rev16 instruction anywhere, did you? appears we don't have it... |
| 13:14:15 | webguest71 | but you can use rockboy? |
| 13:14:25 | preglow | the ipod arm really doesn't have a lot of instructions at all |
| 13:14:32 | linuxstb | preglow: No, I didn't use it. I noticed we didn't have it the other day when we talked about instructions. |
| 13:14:34 | Zak1392 | i was playing pokemon before... |
| 13:14:50 | webguest71 | haha;) in black and white? |
| 13:14:53 | Febs | I updated the "when will Rockbox be released for the H300" FAQ: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverFAQ#Will_Rockbox_be_released_for_the |
| 13:15:15 | Zak1392 | pokemon blue... |
| 13:15:24 | stu3_ | Zak1392: The player doesn't actually "freeze" during music playback. The CPU gets clocked to 120Mhz and the button driver goes crazy. |
| 13:15:48 | amiconn | preglow: Wel, it's called Acorn *RISC* Machine after all ;) |
| 13:16:27 | stu3_ | Also, i hear its advised not to attempt music playback on the H3XX. |
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| 13:17:01 | XavierGr | does anyone here has a sony stereo microphone? |
| 13:17:07 | XavierGr | those popular ones? |
| 13:17:22 | solexx_ | XavierGr: no, but I want one :) |
| 13:17:38 | linuxstb | XavierGr: Which are the popular ones? |
| 13:18:00 | XavierGr | I just spend 150euros on one of them, and unless it is faulty they suck big time |
| 13:18:37 | XavierGr | I try to record with 24dB gain and I hear only whispers. The equalizers aren't moving at all |
| 13:18:57 | XavierGr | I bought the ECM-MS907 |
| 13:19:17 | linuxstb | Don't you normally need a pre-amp and/or a battery box for microphones? |
| 13:19:36 | XavierGr | I play with my classical guitar at full gain in front of it and there is no response at all! |
| 13:19:53 | Febs | XavierGR, I've recorded many times with that mic with no trouble. |
| 13:20:04 | XavierGr | these microphones are specially built for mini devices |
| 13:20:15 | XavierGr | they have built in batterys |
| 13:20:16 | preglow | amiconn: well, you should see the number of instructions the higher revisions have |
| 13:20:21 | Febs | Do you have a fresh batter in it? |
| 13:20:22 | Cassandra | You definitely ought to use a pre-amp or a mic in socket. |
| 13:20:23 | XavierGr | ^batteries |
| 13:20:45 | Febs | ^batter=battery |
| 13:20:59 | XavierGr | Febs I just changed 2 batteries, I even measured their voltage with a multimeter |
| 13:21:07 | XavierGr | 1600mV |
| 13:21:07 | XavierGr | each |
| 13:21:28 | XavierGr | Febs: You have the same microphone? |
| 13:21:53 | Febs | Yes. And I've used it successfuly with H100 (iriver fw), H100 (RB) and H300 (iriver fw). |
| 13:22:20 | linuxstb | Febs: What kind of recordings do you make with it? |
| 13:22:39 | XavierGr | Well I will be damned. |
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| 13:22:48 | XavierGr | I just coupled it on my PC line it. |
| 13:23:09 | XavierGr | I yelled at it as hard as I could and no clipping occured |
| 13:23:26 | * | Febs_ hates the web based IRC client. |
| 13:23:53 | * | preglow loves irssi |
| 13:23:54 | * | perplexity hands Febs_ a USB keystick with X-Chat installed |
| 13:24:10 | XavierGr | Febs do you get a strong signal from your mic? |
| 13:24:23 | Febs_ | linuxstb, I've made recordings of everything from voice, to my acoustic guitar, to a loud bad (106-108dB). |
| 13:24:35 | Febs_ | XavierGR, yes. |
| 13:24:44 | XavierGr | I remember iriver built in mic which is very very sensitive... |
| 13:25:08 | * | Febs_ has tried other IRC clients but only the web-based client works with his office web filter. |
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| 13:25:38 | Febs | ^bad=band |
| 13:25:47 | XavierGr | I cant believe it. I just overpaid 150 euros (while on abroad it costs 70) for a faulty mic!($*)@(*@)(*@)( |
| 13:25:50 | perplexity | Ahh.. I ssh to a remote box and port forward over that |
| 13:26:23 | Febs | I may try that. |
| 13:26:34 | XavierGr | Febs: Can you upload a sample song with ou acoustic guitar? Or anythng to compare? |
| 13:27:23 | Febs | Let me go find something and I'll post it for you. |
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| 13:28:13 | XavierGr | thanks. |
| 13:29:57 | preglow | XavierGr: what makes you think it's faulty? |
| 13:30:26 | XavierGr | I even tap it with my finger and I can''t get the meter to clip |
| 13:30:40 | preglow | are you sure it outputs a line level signal? |
| 13:30:43 | XavierGr | preglow: the recording level is way too low. |
| 13:30:45 | preglow | i somewhat doubt it does |
| 13:31:00 | Coldtoast | what preamp are you using? |
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| 13:31:12 | XavierGr | no preamp |
| 13:31:16 | Coldtoast | wait. it's active isn't it? |
| 13:31:23 | XavierGr | but these mics are made just to be coupled |
| 13:31:29 | XavierGr | it is |
| 13:31:41 | XavierGr | it has a biult in battery and a switch |
| 13:32:08 | Coldtoast | do you have a preamp at all tho? |
| 13:32:19 | Coldtoast | one you can plug the mic into? |
| 13:32:25 | XavierGr | not at the moment |
| 13:32:40 | Coldtoast | if it's getting signal at all, just sounds like a dea preamp int eh mic, right? |
| 13:32:54 | Coldtoast | dead |
| 13:32:59 | XavierGr | it wouldbe difficult to find a stereo microphone preamp |
| 13:33:35 | Coldtoast | when I bought my guitar and was trying to decide what pickup to use, Iended up buying a massive pickup |
| 13:33:40 | XavierGr | http://www.minidisco.com/ecm-ms907.html |
| 13:33:50 | Coldtoast | cos I didn;t want nay modifications done to the body to fit the preamp |
| 13:33:50 | XavierGr | these are supposed to work without preamps |
| 13:34:03 | XavierGr | also some demos I listened to were great. |
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| 13:38:57 | ashridah | @#$%@#$% |
| 13:39:11 | ashridah | god damned misticriver forums keeps forgetting my login |
| 13:39:17 | Coldtoast | woah! I was about to say that! |
| 13:39:25 | ashridah | Febs: and you keep using black text in your posts |
| 13:39:33 | XavierGr | preglow: why do you thing I am doing something wrong? |
| 13:39:56 | ashridah | Febs: you have noticed the horrible default theme, and how the background for a post is dark grey, right? |
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| 13:41:52 | ashridah | Coldtoast: which browser are you using? |
| 13:42:28 | Coldtoast | Firefox |
| 13:42:37 | Coldtoast | why's that? |
| 13:42:54 | ashridah | was wondering if it was just the browser i'm using (konqueror) |
| 13:42:59 | ashridah | !@#$%@#$^ |
| 13:43:02 | * | ashridah stabs mistic river |
| 13:43:06 | Coldtoast | heh |
| 13:43:19 | ashridah | not only does it forget between browser instances, it forgets WITHIN a browser instance |
| 13:43:28 | * | ashridah kicks misticriver in the nads |
| 13:43:28 | Coldtoast | that's the bit I meant when I said I was aboutto say that; @#$%@#$% |
| 13:43:40 | Coldtoast | but I have that EXACT problem with imdb |
| 13:44:06 | ashridah | i think the pages aren't being set to nocache properly. |
| 13:44:15 | ashridah | because forcing a refresh helps refreshing |
| 13:44:27 | | Quit Zak1392 () |
| 13:44:43 | ashridah | s/refreshing// |
| 13:45:22 | Coldtoast | what extensions ar eyou running? |
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| 13:46:53 | ashridah | extensions? |
| 13:47:24 | * | ashridah looks at Coldtoast and wonders if Coldtoast understood him when he said the name of his browser in parenthesis :) |
| 13:47:35 | Coldtoast | oh yeah |
| 13:47:36 | Coldtoast | sorry |
| 13:47:48 | Coldtoast | err.. D'oh |
| 13:52:43 | XavierGr | packed and ready to return it! |
| 13:53:16 | Coldtoast | don't you just LOVE RMAing stuff the day you got it? |
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| 13:54:15 | XavierGr | I hope that they will not have any objections with it. |
| 13:54:30 | XavierGr | I shouldn't have bought it in the first place. |
| 13:54:39 | XavierGr | 150 euros for it is a sure rip off. |
| 13:54:48 | XavierGr | I just dind;t had any alternatives |
| 13:54:58 | preglow | XavierGr: i don't think you're doing something wrong, i'm just asking |
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| 13:56:55 | XavierGr | I just hope to see the other guy that bought it too. |
| 13:57:19 | XavierGr | In a test recording with hie (same) microphone all went okay |
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| 13:57:53 | XavierGr | I was very amazed by the sound of the mic so I decided to buy it for me too. |
| 13:59:16 | XavierGr | The real reason to buy it is an upcoming concert which I take part and want to record it. But in todays rehearsal (just tested there the mic) nothing could be heard but whispers so... |
| 13:59:25 | XavierGr | I was really annoyed. |
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| 14:00:54 | Coldtoast | do you play mainly acoustic guitar? |
| 14:01:16 | XavierGr | no only classical |
| 14:01:33 | Coldtoast | who do you listen to? |
| 14:01:52 | XavierGr | from classical guitarists? |
| 14:01:58 | Coldtoast | any guitarists |
| 14:02:29 | Coldtoast | I actually find a lot of classical guitar is a bit rigid for my liking |
| 14:03:05 | XavierGr | mainly Jown Williams, Julian Bream, Narciso Yepes, The Romeros |
| 14:03:32 | Coldtoast | do you listen to anybody like Michael Hedges, Leo Kottke? |
| 14:04:01 | XavierGr | I am not into ONLY classical guitar, but I listen mostly to orchestrated music. |
| 14:04:36 | Coldtoast | ever heard of Slava Gregoria? |
| 14:04:46 | XavierGr | nope sorry, never heard of them... |
| 14:04:52 | perplexity | Slava is *great* |
| 14:04:58 | Coldtoast | he's an Australian classical guitarist |
| 14:05:26 | XavierGr | hmm i will make a search for him |
| 14:05:51 | Coldtoast | Michael Hedges is my absolute fave guitarist tho |
| 14:06:04 | perplexity | Slava did a wicked duet with Tommy Emmanuel not that long ago |
| 14:06:18 | Coldtoast | did you see him when he was on The Panel perplexity? |
| 14:06:20 | XavierGr | Truth is that I don't know many classical guitarists apart from the very famous. |
| 14:06:34 | perplexity | No, I missed that.. I don't live in Aus anymore.. |
| 14:06:43 | Coldtoast | he played this piece after they interviewed him and it was just awesome |
| 14:06:54 | Coldtoast | have you heard of Hedges tho XavierGr? |
| 14:07:03 | perplexity | I *very* nearly got to see him live in concert but I had to fly out early :( |
| 14:08:39 | XavierGr | sorry have to go... |
| 14:08:49 | | Nick XavierGr is now known as Xavier|afk (n=XavierGr@ppp12-adsl-80.ath.forthnet.gr) |
| 14:08:56 | Coldtoast | hey wait |
| 14:11:18 | Febs | ashridah: I just saw your posts about the MR theme. |
| 14:11:34 | Febs | I use the "test" theme which is a basic vBulletin blue and white. |
| 14:11:55 | Febs | I can't tell when things come up black on the horrible default theme and when they don't. |
| 14:12:34 | ashridah | Febs: i know, but misticriver keeps forgetting my login, so it keeps defaulting to the theme that uses a black background :) |
| 14:12:44 | * | Febs goes to look at MR using the ugly default theme. |
| 14:12:51 | ashridah | Febs: the key is: let the browser choose the default text colour |
| 14:13:03 | ashridah | since the theme itself should be doing that via css or otherwise :) |
| 14:13:18 | Febs | I do. I think that the problem comes when I cut and paste something from somewhere else. |
| 14:17:41 | amiconn | Slasheri: I don't get how your latest playlsit.c change works. You simplify by just assigning count = steps; - but steps may be negative... |
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| 14:18:32 | webguest40 | hello everyone ! |
| 14:18:33 | Slasheri | amiconn: oh, i forgot that.. in fact i broke my previous code and i thought that code was incorrect :/ |
| 14:18:37 | Slasheri | i will fix it, thanks |
| 14:18:39 | amiconn | Also, you introduced one more gui_syncsplash() outside the gui thread... |
| 14:19:02 | Slasheri | or the code had bugs but the previous count setting was correct |
| 14:19:08 | webguest40 | I just installed rockbox on my h3xx and now i wonder how i install rockboy ? i have downloaded rockboy but how do i install ? |
| 14:19:15 | Slasheri | amiconn: Hmm, really? |
| 14:19:34 | B4gder | webguest40: rockboy comes included so if you installed rockbox you already have it |
| 14:19:51 | mordov | does the %wd turn of the stausbar in wps mode ?? |
| 14:19:53 | webguest40 | cool :D |
| 14:19:53 | Febs | Ugh. Just looking at the default MR theme for 5 minutes is already starting to give me a headache. |
| 14:20:27 | ashridah | Febs: it looks like my browser freaked out and stretched part of a normal image horizontally |
| 14:20:50 | ashridah | whoever did the design for that needs to be hit, a forums borders should not attract the eye more than the forum's content |
| 14:22:08 | webguest40 | does it work with gba games? |
| 14:22:19 | perplexity | no webguest09 |
| 14:22:22 | ashridah | no |
| 14:22:24 | perplexity | no webguest40 ... sorry |
| 14:22:40 | DMJC | lol |
| 14:22:44 | DMJC | osx 86 cracked again |
| 14:22:47 | webguest40 | eey its cool anyways:D |
| 14:22:48 | ashridah | it's probably not going to any time soon. rockboy development stopped dead many months ago |
| 14:22:56 | ashridah | DMJC: got linkage? |
| 14:23:07 | DMJC | http://www.osx86project.org |
| 14:23:16 | perplexity | Man I'd love to port an Atari 2600 emulator to Rockbox :) |
| 14:23:28 | B4gder | perplexity: don't let us stop you |
| 14:23:38 | mordov | wwwwwwwweeeeeeeeeeeeee the %wd tag works :) |
| 14:23:39 | ashridah | perplexity: go for it. |
| 14:23:46 | markun | webguest40: just unpack the whole rockbox zip to you H3xx and rockbox will be included. |
| 14:24:04 | perplexity | Been doing a little homework.. need to get more familiar with the RockBox internals first.. |
| 14:24:05 | markun | webguest40: sorry about that :) |
| 14:25:14 | amiconn | Slasheri: Yes you did. Adding a splash in playlist.c is a bad idea |
| 14:26:07 | markun | I want to remove some attachments from the wiki. When I want to move to 'Trash' I have 2 options. Does it matter if I move to the 1st or the 2nd? |
| 14:26:13 | amiconn | Also please note that the playlist code is used on all platforms |
| 14:26:55 | amiconn | ...so you can't just change the behaviour without adapting both playback engines |
| 14:27:02 | B4gder | markun: no |
| 14:27:29 | amiconn | (was tempted to add the word 'careless' to my sentence) |
| 14:28:15 | Slasheri | amiconn: Hmm.. but isn't that called from ui thread? |
| 14:28:44 | Coldtoast | hey. with WPS, if I use the same images in .rwps that I use in .wps, does the image get loaded into mem twice? |
| 14:28:50 | amiconn | Slasheri: nope |
| 14:29:15 | amiconn | On iriver it's the playback thread, on archos it's the mpeg thread |
| 14:29:44 | Slasheri | amiconn: playlist_resume is called from tree.c |
| 14:29:53 | Slasheri | and there the same function uses gui_syncsplash too |
| 14:30:34 | Slasheri | no function called from playback thread in playlist.c should currently have a splash |
| 14:32:06 | DMJC | heh could the h340 series support an amiga emulator? |
| 14:32:18 | DMJC | that'd be hillarious |
| 14:32:18 | amiconn | Hmm. Still I think it's unclean to splash from within playlist.c |
| 14:32:34 | amiconn | Why not just call it before calling playlist_resume()? |
| 14:33:10 | Slasheri | Hmm, that's true. I just saw so many splashes there so I added one more :) But yes, before the playlist_resume sounds even better |
| 14:34:04 | amiconn | Hmm, in fact you're right |
| 14:34:15 | * | amiconn wonders why all those splashes are in there |
| 14:34:18 | Slasheri | :) |
| 14:34:32 | amiconn | Imho they don't belong there |
| 14:35:14 | amiconn | Some q&d coding I guess |
| 14:35:56 | linuxstb | For what it's worth, my initial implementation of ".menu" file handling adds 232 bytes to rockbox.iriver for 2 supported menu items, 256 for 3 items, and 276 for 4 items. |
| 14:36:14 | preglow | linuxstb: do you think we should set up interrupt button handling in the bootloader as well? seems to be the only proper way |
| 14:37:17 | preglow | problem is of course that we still migh tnot get the interrupt if it's pressed too early |
| 14:37:28 | linuxstb | preglow: We don't have to be as cautious as Linus is with the iriver bootloader - so if that's the only way then do it. |
| 14:37:51 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes, I think that's the main problem. The Apple bootloader takes a long time to load our bootloader. |
| 14:38:24 | webguest40 | is the games on h300 in black and white? |
| 14:38:31 | linuxstb | preglow: Maybe we will need to do another kind of bootloader - e.g. a menu with timeout. |
| 14:38:43 | preglow | linuxstb: yeah, perhaps, but i don't know if i'd like that |
| 14:38:49 | preglow | i like a fast boot if i can have one |
| 14:38:56 | preglow | but yeah, it might be the only way |
| 14:39:13 | amiconn | Is it impossible to poll the buttons on ipod? |
| 14:39:22 | preglow | amiconn: impossible, no, but unreliable, it seems |
| 14:39:30 | amiconn | bah |
| 14:39:34 | amiconn | Bad ipod ;) |
| 14:39:46 | preglow | keep in mind we don't have docs, so hard to say |
| 14:40:02 | preglow | perhaps someone should disassemble the apple bootloader |
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| 14:40:04 | linuxstb | I've got a feeling that the ipod can't detect the current state of the buttons - only changes in the state. But I could be wrong there. |
| 14:40:06 | preglow | it seems to be able to cope nicely |
| 14:40:25 | preglow | i've never had it not sense to select-play combo |
| 14:40:50 | preglow | to=the |
| 14:40:53 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes, but the apple bootloader has already started running by the time you press that combo. |
| 14:41:30 | preglow | perhaps |
| 14:42:52 | linuxstb | We should be able to dump the contents of the flash to disk if we wanted to see what it does. |
| 14:46:45 | preglow | bah |
| 14:46:51 | ashridah | webguest40: at the moment, yes. colour support is not fully implemented on H3x0 (just like most other things, except for the basics) |
| 14:47:06 | preglow | i'd need to get my hands on ida pro before i'd even want to think about doing that |
| 14:47:19 | ashridah | webguest40: most of these problems and missing features will probably be dealt with eventually. |
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| 14:51:05 | muesli- | re |
| 14:51:07 | mordov | whay does it take ten times as long to canahge theme frm themebrowser the it takes to make the changes your selfe? |
| 14:51:08 | preglow | haha |
| 14:51:19 | preglow | i invoke a software interrupt, and now rockbox boots again and again and again... |
| 14:53:27 | mordov | it's strange... it realy takes a whole lot of time |
| 14:53:44 | ashridah | mordov: use the source, luke! :) |
| 14:54:01 | ashridah | (it does seem like someone's tossed a sleep(3) in there tho) |
| 14:54:02 | webguest40 | cool im playing zelda on my h3xx now |
| 14:54:09 | webguest40 | tnx rockbox team ! |
| 14:54:29 | mordov | ashridah:D |
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| 14:55:37 | webguest40 | how do i cancle a game? |
| 14:56:30 | linuxstb | If anyone is interested in my "menu files" idea, an initial patch is here: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/menu_files.diff.gz |
| 14:56:32 | mordov | A-B |
| 14:57:02 | webguest40 | but i cant press quit game ! |
| 14:57:36 | linuxstb | It currently supports the files "Browse Plugins.menu", "Browse Themes.menu", "General Settings.menu" and "Sound Settings.menu" (or the localised equivalents). Simply create files with those names anywhere on your hard disk and then select them to activate the appropriate menu function. |
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| 14:59:35 | mordov | webguest09: in the h-120 it is the A-B button... it givs you a mune,,, save back quit etc... |
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| 15:00:01 | ashridah | mordov: except in the H3x0, apparently the buttons don't compeltely work in rockboy or something, i'm told. |
| 15:01:00 | mordov | ah, that explains a bit ) |
| 15:01:19 | amiconn | webguest09: Try highlighting the menu item with up/down, then select with Right. Does that work? |
| 15:01:30 | amiconn | webguest40 I mean |
| 15:01:33 | mordov | if some one do the rockboy,,, plase move the B buton from STOP... i'm turning if my player all the time |
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| 15:11:32 | tucoz | linuxstb: I likes it. I think that is a clever solution to user-configurable menus |
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| 15:13:38 | tucoz | Would "browse files" also be handled by a menu-file? |
| 15:14:05 | linuxstb | tucoz: No. Just create yourself a directory called "Browse Files" in the root of your hard disk, and move all your files into there. |
| 15:15:13 | tucoz | linuxstb: I have already that, like you suggested the other day. Works really nice. This is just the way I think Rockbox could be more user friendly |
| 15:15:41 | linuxstb | It doesn't really solve that problem - it requires the user to organise their hard disk in a specific way. |
| 15:16:01 | tucoz | linuxstb: sure, but it is really simple to understand the concept |
| 15:16:06 | linuxstb | But I agree, if a hard disk is organised this way, then it's more user-friendly. |
| 15:16:55 | tucoz | So, what is missing in terms of options now? fm-radio, recording. |
| 15:17:44 | linuxstb | FM Radio could be implemented by having .fmr files containing a list of presets. So you would have a directory called "FM Radio", and then the preset files in there. |
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| 15:18:50 | preglow | are there any systems that don't use a full stack? |
| 15:18:52 | linuxstb | Or if you only had one .fmr file, then call that "FM Radio.fmr". |
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| 15:19:25 | tucoz | linuxstb: I still think this is a cool way of organizing stuff. I hope you get a green light for something like this. |
| 15:20:16 | linuxstb | The only problem is that the main menu becomes a little redundant. |
| 15:20:58 | tucoz | hehe, yes. But maybe that could be split up in someway as well. |
| 15:21:39 | linuxstb | In terms of getting a "green light" - I guess it depends if everyone agrees that the increased code size is worth it. The patch I posted (4 menu items) adds 276 bytes to the iriver build. Each additional item seems to add about 20-24 bytes. |
| 15:22:22 | hshah | linuxstb, what does your menu patch do? |
| 15:22:54 | amiconn | preglow: ?? |
| 15:22:56 | linuxstb | You can create a file on your hard disk called (for example) "Sound Settings.menu", and then when you select that file in the file browser, it runs that menu item. |
| 15:22:57 | tucoz | ok, hmm. That is of course something that could be a problem. Anyway, I really like to have a base menu. |
| 15:23:44 | hshah | linuxstb, so basically like a shortcut? |
| 15:23:50 | linuxstb | hshah: Yes. |
| 15:23:51 | preglow | amiconn: stacks that have the stack pointer pointing to the next free stack element |
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| 15:24:06 | preglow | amiconn: also called empty stacks |
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| 15:33:12 | Jungti1234 | If I use background that make, look like strange. |
| 15:33:20 | Jungti1234 | LCD twinkles. |
| 15:33:25 | Jungti1234 | Resolution is right, and bit is right. By the way, is strange. Why may I be so? |
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| 15:37:12 | Jungti1234 | hello~? |
| 15:39:26 | Jungti1234 | #freenode |
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| 15:41:45 | Nixsos | hi, where can i download the H300 bootloader + software? I'd like to test it with my H340 + EU firmware |
| 15:43:02 | Jungti1234 | Does no one have a person who answer to my problem? |
| 15:43:02 | preglow | you're aware there's not much you can do with it yet, yes? |
| 15:43:06 | ashridah | Nixsos: you understand the risks involved? ie, potentially unusable player, buggy rockbox firmware, etc? |
| 15:43:25 | ashridah | also that most features are next to useless currently |
| 15:44:44 | Nixsos | hmm yeah i've read about those problems.. although everybody got their player working again right? |
| 15:45:17 | ashridah | Nixsos: depends how you define working, since rockbox currently doesn't actually "work" as such |
| 15:45:23 | mordov | Jungti1234: think noone has a good aswer to it... |
| 15:45:24 | Nixsos | it would kinda suck if i bricked it... it's brand new |
| 15:45:34 | mordov | Jungti1234. might be something in the forum |
| 15:45:35 | ashridah | Nixsos: then i'd definently wait |
| 15:45:50 | Jungti1234 | ok |
| 15:46:03 | Nixsos | okay thanks... guess i'll have to be patient then :D, god i miss my H140 :D |
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| 15:46:14 | ashridah | Nixsos: what happened to it? |
| 15:47:17 | Nixsos | ashridag: i sold it, the color screen stole my heart |
| 15:48:12 | cannard | hmm i guess ashridag is one of the milder typos they could make with your nick |
| 15:48:20 | Nixsos | :D |
| 15:48:24 | Nixsos | sorry |
| 15:48:31 | Nixsos | im kinda new to this IRC thing |
| 15:48:39 | cannard | my thanks goes out to the entire rb crew |
| 15:48:45 | cannard | you guys are all awesome! |
| 15:48:51 | ashridah | cannard: people can do what they like with my nick. but if they do, they're dissing Ryan 'Ridah' Feltrin |
| 15:48:51 | Nixsos | seconded! |
| 15:48:56 | ashridah | and that's fighting words |
| 15:49:33 | cannard | Nixsos, sorry i wasnt saying anything bad, please forgive! though you shouldnt of sold your h140 :p |
| 15:50:54 | Nixsos | heh yeah i know, but i couldnt watch my futurama shows on the H140 :P |
| 15:51:11 | Nixsos | and greyscale just doesn't cut it :P |
| 15:51:47 | cannard | i had to google him before i said anything, before i dug my hole deeper :p |
| 15:51:52 | Nixsos | :D |
| 15:52:29 | cannard | hmm thats true i guess Nixsos, were you able to capitalize on the recent want for h140's at least? |
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| 15:55:01 | Nixsos | hmm what do you mean? whether i got enough money for my H140? (im dutch, shoot me :-/) |
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| 15:55:53 | markun | Nixsos: and you are not alone here :) |
| 15:56:07 | Jungti1234 | bye |
| 15:56:11 | Nixsos | i was able to sell my H140 for 220 euros.. got the H340 for 340 i believe |
| 15:56:15 | markun | Jungti1234: bye |
| 15:56:17 | cannard | ahh ok |
| 15:56:22 | cannard | how long ago? |
| 15:56:29 | Nixsos | 2 months ago |
| 15:56:32 | cannard | i wonder how many euros to aussie peso's |
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| 15:56:46 | Jungti1234 | I get H100 into free charge. :D |
| 15:56:56 | markun | but with a broken hdd.. |
| 15:57:06 | Jungti1234 | hahahaha |
| 15:57:09 | Nixsos | :D |
| 15:57:13 | cannard | hmm i would of bought it! |
| 15:57:27 | Jungti1234 | It's H120. |
| 15:57:42 | markun | Jungti1234: so you can buy a new 30gb hdd |
| 15:58:08 | Nixsos | i nearly bricked my H140 when i tryed to change the battery.. i still want to upgrade my H340s battery, but im afraid i'll void the warranty |
| 15:58:28 | markun | Nixsos: what went wrong with the battery? polarity? |
| 15:59:25 | Jungti1234 | wahahaha |
| 15:59:35 | Jungti1234 | H120 comes. |
| 15:59:42 | Nixsos | polarity yeah.. i've got two left hands, i suck at electronics :D. when i tryed to swap the polarity i broke the damn socket :-/ |
| 15:59:56 | Nixsos | on the battery |
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| 16:00:11 | markun | Nixsos: also happened to my friend when we were upgrading our batteries together. |
| 16:00:13 | Nixsos | how do you call that? the 'male' part |
| 16:00:27 | markun | stekker? :) |
| 16:00:56 | Jungti1234 | bye~ |
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| 16:01:09 | Nixsos | stekker ja :D |
| 16:01:11 | Nixsos | 'plug' |
| 16:02:20 | Nixsos | batterylife sucks when viewing videos... maybe i should make myself an external batterypack |
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| 16:35:41 | thegeek | certainly it's much easier to just snip the wires? |
| 16:35:51 | thegeek | having to fiddle with the connector is just more work? |
| 16:45:46 | preglow | amiconn: seems the cpu processes interrupts even when in sleep mode, so we can just have the irq/fiq handler wake the cpu to get sleep functionality on ipod as well |
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| 16:48:08 | amiconn | preglow: Goodie. Does that mean the cpu wakes up when an interrupt arrives, or do you need to wake it up manually? If so, how? |
| 16:49:27 | preglow | amiconn: afaik, it wakes to process the exception, then sleeps when it's done |
| 16:49:41 | preglow | amiconn: if you write the sleep reg when in the exception handler, it wakes again |
| 16:49:53 | preglow | after processing it, that is |
| 16:50:59 | amiconn | Ah okay |
| 16:51:16 | amiconn | So that means all interrupt handlers have to reset the sleep register |
| 16:51:20 | preglow | yup |
| 16:51:27 | preglow | and perhaps all exception handlers |
| 16:51:41 | preglow | though i'd think just making the irq and fiq handlers reset it would be enough |
| 16:51:48 | preglow | the other exceptions wont occur in a sleeping cpu |
| 16:51:48 | amiconn | ..and the scheduler could set it before entering the "while evryone is sleeping" loop |
| 16:52:27 | amiconn | Perhaps that loop is even unnecessary then |
| 16:52:45 | amiconn | (in case the sleep mode makes the CPU stop completely) |
| 16:52:49 | preglow | well, you're not guaranteed to have a change in thread state by an irq of fiq |
| 16:52:50 | preglow | or |
| 16:53:26 | amiconn | num_sleepers is increased by one everytime a thread calls sleep() |
| 16:53:38 | preglow | yup |
| 16:54:12 | amiconn | ...and reset to zero when someone calls wake_up_thread() |
| 16:54:37 | amiconn | Ah, of course you will need the loop |
| 16:54:57 | preglow | i don't see how it differs much from the case with a proper sleep instruction, to be honest |
| 16:55:06 | amiconn | indeed |
| 16:55:07 | preglow | it sleeps as before, and interrupts wakes it, again, as before |
| 16:55:25 | amiconn | The only difference is that every isr has to reset the sleep register, |
| 16:55:39 | amiconn | and the scheduler sets a register instead of calling an instruction |
| 16:55:52 | preglow | yep |
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| 17:04:29 | Bagder | ccache just rocks |
| 17:05:28 | _FireFly_ | ?? |
| 17:05:41 | Bagder | buiilding rockbox with ccache enabled flies |
| 17:05:50 | _FireFly_ | :) |
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| 17:09:22 | * | Bagder would like to remove the -Wno-pointer-sign option for gcc4 builds |
| 17:10:57 | preglow | agreed |
| 17:11:35 | amiconn | Bagder: Do *you* intend to fix the warnings? ;) |
| 17:11:46 | Bagder | sure |
| 17:12:09 | Bagder | actually, I start doing that first |
| 17:12:47 | amiconn | I expect a can of worms... |
| 17:13:08 | dwihno | I eggspect an easter egg ;D |
| 17:13:13 | linuxstb | Bagder: Have you tried a compile with that option? |
| 17:14:46 | _FireFly_ | amiconn: should i change the factor for scroll-delay(HZ/10) to 1000/HZ as you mentioned in your forum-post in my remote-settings-patch |
| 17:18:17 | preglow | any opinions on whether ipodrockbox should run in supervisor or user mode? i don't know what route embedded systems usually take |
| 17:19:30 | preglow | doesn't seem like supervisor mode can do much more than user mode, set the processor flags, it seems |
| 17:20:15 | linuxstb | Do you have to decide now? |
| 17:20:24 | preglow | no, not really |
| 17:20:35 | preglow | it's primarily a crt0.S issue |
| 17:20:43 | preglow | and i'm still not quite clear on what the differences are |
| 17:21:20 | preglow | i was more or less just wondering what embedded systems usually do given a choice |
| 17:21:30 | preglow | depends on system reliability concerns, i guess |
| 17:22:22 | amiconn | _FireFly_: Yes I think so. Note that there are multiple places, all of which seem to be wrong: |
| 17:22:44 | _FireFly_ | yepp |
| 17:22:52 | amiconn | (1) In the settings_menu function, before & after the actual set_int call |
| 17:22:56 | _FireFly_ | i will do it |
| 17:23:00 | amiconn | (2) in the LCD drivers |
| 17:23:02 | linuxstb | preglow: http://www.netrino.com/Publications/Glossary/K.html |
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| 17:23:22 | linuxstb | (One vote for supervisor mode) |
| 17:23:23 | amiconn | It doesn't change behaviour as long as HZ == 100 |
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| 17:24:17 | preglow | linuxstb: yeah, if it's as restricted on portalplayer as it seems, i vote for that as well, i don't want to spend overhead on calling software interrupts all the time |
| 17:24:45 | _FireFly_ | amiconn: should i do it also for the jump_scroll_delay for charcell targets ?? |
| 17:24:47 | linuxstb | I say go for supervisor mode (it's no worse than any other Rockbox). |
| 17:24:58 | preglow | nah, don't think so |
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| 17:26:07 | amiconn | _FireFly_: Ooops, didn't notice that. Would be consistent to fix that as well |
| 17:26:14 | _FireFly_ | ok |
| 17:26:34 | amiconn | linuxstb, preglow: Rockbox on coldfire also runs in supervisor mode |
| 17:26:56 | amiconn | (really useful sometimes) |
| 17:27:15 | _FireFly_ | amiconn: the hz/10 is correct for button_get_w_tmo or sleep isn't it ?? |
| 17:28:10 | amiconn | HZ/10 in itself means a tenth of a second, that's correct |
| 17:28:28 | linuxstb | What does 1000/HZ mean? |
| 17:28:35 | _FireFly_ | ok |
| 17:28:44 | amiconn | However, in case of the scroll delay settings, we need to convert between milliseconds and ticks |
| 17:29:06 | _FireFly_ | only for the scroll-delay settings i must change from HZ/10 to 1000/HZ |
| 17:29:18 | amiconn | ticks = milliseconds / (1000/HZ) |
| 17:29:29 | amiconn | milliseconds = ticks * (1000/HZ) |
| 17:29:34 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, I understand now. So HZ/10 was just correct by co-incidence. |
| 17:29:40 | amiconn | yup |
| 17:31:38 | _FireFly_ | i can't find any HZ/10 in the lcd-drivers only a HZ/2 |
| 17:32:42 | linuxstb | _FireFly_: "HZ / 10" (with spaces) |
| 17:33:31 | _FireFly_ | aahh found it :) |
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| 17:36:03 | _FireFly_ | hmm strange why we multiply the value for scroll-delay from the global_settings struct with 1000/HZ and the set-function for the scroll-delay divides the parameter-value with 1000/HZ |
| 17:36:19 | _FireFly_ | that doesn't make any sense for my |
| 17:37:01 | _FireFly_ | or is it the integer math ?? |
| 17:37:09 | amiconn | This is because both the global settings value (for saving config bits) and the internal driver values (for simplicity) are stored in ticks |
| 17:37:10 | _FireFly_ | s/my/me |
| 17:37:24 | amiconn | ...but the user should see milliseconds |
| 17:37:51 | _FireFly_ | aahh ok |
| 17:38:23 | amiconn | In the lcd driver, look for the lcd_scroll_delay() functions |
| 17:38:49 | _FireFly_ | why then not simply do the multiplication in the drawing-function in the menu?? |
| 17:39:17 | _FireFly_ | or is that more complicated then the current way |
| 17:40:07 | amiconn | set_int() also calls lcd_scroll_delay() "live" |
| 17:40:43 | amiconn | Doing it directly in the display function would require a special one... |
| 17:42:18 | _FireFly_ | ok |
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| 17:52:54 | amiconn | _FireFly_: When we switch to using config files from our config sector, it would make sense to always have the delay values in msec at the app level. |
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| 17:53:20 | amiconn | Then the only places that would convert to ticks would be the lcd_scroll_delay() fns |
| 17:54:45 | _FireFly_ | ok |
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| 18:55:37 | amiconn | TiMiD: r u there? |
| 18:56:41 | TiMiD | amiconn: yep |
| 18:57:07 | amiconn | There is a problem with the multiscreen API - numerous inits are called too late |
| 18:57:24 | amiconn | This leads to a hard crash on archos with early USB |
| 18:57:37 | TiMiD | hmm |
| 18:57:45 | TiMiD | same on iriver |
| 18:57:49 | amiconn | Early USB means starting with the USB cable already connected |
| 18:57:56 | TiMiD | when I plug the usb when booting, it crashes |
| 18:58:11 | amiconn | The early USB check happens in main.c |
| 18:58:20 | amiconn | ...so the init(s) have to happen before |
| 18:58:25 | TiMiD | but usb screen isn't still ported to multi-screen ? |
| 18:58:31 | TiMiD | ok |
| 18:58:33 | _FireFly_ | maybe we should init the screen-access in main |
| 18:58:35 | TiMiD | I will fix this |
| 18:58:39 | amiconn | No, but it uses the statusbar... |
| 18:58:45 | TiMiD | (I'm porting usb to multi-screen) |
| 18:58:52 | TiMiD | ok :) |
| 18:59:03 | amiconn | I already tried adding screen_access_init to main.c, but that's not enough |
| 18:59:14 | amiconn | I didn't know each widget has its own init.... |
| 18:59:34 | _FireFly_ | gui_syncstatusbar_init |
| 18:59:52 | amiconn | Would it make sense to add the widget init calls to screen_access_init() ? |
| 18:59:58 | TiMiD | no |
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| 19:00:01 | amiconn | why? |
| 19:00:14 | TiMiD | since each widget can be used independantly |
| 19:00:29 | amiconn | Yes, but they are inited only once, or? |
| 19:00:29 | TiMiD | I mean there can be multiple instances |
| 19:00:38 | amiconn | AH. |
| 19:00:44 | TiMiD | that's why threre is a per-widget init |
| 19:00:47 | amiconn | Statusbar should only exist once though |
| 19:00:51 | TiMiD | yes |
| 19:01:02 | TiMiD | general statusbar is a special case |
| 19:01:10 | _FireFly_ | or two when remote exists :) |
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| 19:01:43 | TiMiD | syncstatusbar :) |
| 19:01:51 | _FireFly_ | i think simple move screen-access-init and gui_syncstatusbar_init to main should do it |
| 19:01:59 | TiMiD | yes |
| 19:02:08 | amiconn | I'll try |
| 19:02:16 | TiMiD | I will do it with my oncoming commit for usb screen on remote |
| 19:02:27 | _FireFly_ | maybe we could create a additinal fn for those inits |
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| 19:02:34 | amiconn | I want to get rid of I04: IllInstr at 00000404 on my and my sister's Ondio :/ |
| 19:03:07 | mordov | http://thc.org/root/phun/unmaintain.html ;) |
| 19:03:34 | _FireFly_ | TiMiD: when screen_access-init gets to main then we can sync gui_sync_wps_init and gui_sync_wps_screen_init together |
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| 19:04:37 | TiMiD | mordov: ohh now I understand why rockbox code is so difficult to read ;) |
| 19:04:55 | TiMiD | hmm |
| 19:05:05 | mordov | hahahaha |
| 19:05:21 | TiMiD | I don't think it's a good idea since it has nothing to do with scrern_access which is more general |
| 19:05:35 | linuxstb | I have a question about the ATA power handling in Rockbox. Am I right in saying that we don't use the ATA power commands (SLEEP, IDLE etc), but we perform the power-on/off at a higher level? |
| 19:05:50 | amiconn | TiMiD: With both inits in main() it does no longer crash |
| 19:06:15 | Lear | amiconn: what crash? |
| 19:06:23 | amiconn | linuxstb: We do both (the physical poweroff being optional) |
| 19:06:37 | _FireFly_ | Lear: plugging in the usb while rb-logo is shown |
| 19:07:00 | TiMiD | ok |
| 19:07:22 | TiMiD | do you commit or should I include this in my incoming commit ? |
| 19:07:47 | amiconn | TiMiD: I think the right place is between radio_init() and the charging screen thingy |
| 19:07:54 | Lear | Just wondered if you by any chance were discussing the logf build problem. :) |
| 19:07:56 | amiconn | I can do it now |
| 19:08:01 | linuxstb | amiconn: So for the ipod, disk power handling can be implemented just using the (documented!) ATA commands? |
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| 19:08:28 | amiconn | Disk power handling *is* done using the documented ata commands |
| 19:08:41 | TiMiD | ok |
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| 19:08:43 | amiconn | The physical poweroff is optional, for 2 reasons |
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| 19:09:12 | _FireFly_ | TiMiD: which of my two suggestions isn't a good idea in your eyes ?? |
| 19:09:33 | amiconn | (1) Very old players can't control disk power (no transistor). (2) Some players and FM recorders crash when switching disk power |
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| 19:09:37 | San||Studying | hey, any more H300 progress> |
| 19:09:38 | San||Studying | ? |
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| 19:10:33 | linuxstb | amiconn: Thanks. That's reassured me. |
| 19:10:36 | _FireFly_ | TiMiD: the sync of the two gui_wps_sync-init fns or a seperate fn for the inits ?? |
| 19:10:38 | amiconn | linuxstb: Check ata_perform_sleep (lines 988ff) |
| 19:11:29 | linuxstb | So I should undef HAVE_ATA_POWER_OFF |
| 19:12:33 | amiconn | Yes, just don't define that in any of the config-ipod*.h files |
| 19:13:30 | TiMiD | _FireFly_: I would do a wps_init which would do ll the needed inits for wps |
| 19:13:55 | TiMiD | since somebuffers has to be allocated and so on |
| 19:13:56 | _FireFly_ | that what i had said :) |
| 19:14:25 | _FireFly_ | i have currently two because screen_access-init wa called later |
| 19:14:50 | TiMiD | I thought you wanted to put wps inits in screen_access_init |
| 19:14:53 | _FireFly_ | now we can sync gui_sync_wps_init and gui_sync_wps_screen_init together |
| 19:15:39 | TiMiD | init early what needs buffer |
| 19:15:53 | TiMiD | but all furthers inits should be made by the app |
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| 19:16:45 | TiMiD | remember _sync fn could be removed if rb went multi-thread for gui |
| 19:19:03 | amiconn | Bah, the eraly gui_syncstatusbar_init() has a rather undesirable side effect :( |
| 19:19:09 | amiconn | *early |
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| 19:19:20 | amiconn | It clutters the rockbox logo with a statusbar |
| 19:19:30 | TiMiD | hehe |
| 19:19:36 | t0mas | hi |
| 19:19:41 | TiMiD | so the init displays the bar ? |
| 19:19:47 | amiconn | Why does an init draw something?? |
| 19:19:49 | TiMiD | hi t0mas |
| 19:19:59 | TiMiD | amiconn: it's strange indeed |
| 19:20:02 | TiMiD | very strange |
| 19:20:08 | _FireFly_ | not the init but the set_screen fn |
| 19:20:26 | _FireFly_ | void gui_statusbar_set_screen(struct gui_statusbar * bar, |
| 19:20:26 | _FireFly_ | struct screen * display) |
| 19:20:26 | _FireFly_ | { |
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| 19:20:26 | _FireFly_ | bar->display = display; |
| 19:20:26 | _FireFly_ | gui_statusbar_draw(bar, false); |
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| 19:20:27 | _FireFly_ | } |
| 19:20:36 | TiMiD | I must have been on crack again :( |
| 19:21:05 | amiconn | Hmm. |
| 19:21:05 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 19:21:05 | * | TiMiD remove this quickly, no proof ^^ |
| 19:21:25 | amiconn | Which part? |
| 19:21:31 | TiMiD | statusbar.c |
| 19:21:42 | _FireFly_ | line 102 |
| 19:21:43 | amiconn | Yes, I mean which part to remove? |
| 19:21:45 | _FireFly_ | :) |
| 19:21:50 | _FireFly_ | line 102 |
| 19:22:01 | _FireFly_ | gui_statusbar_draw(bar,false); |
| 19:22:18 | amiconn | Okay. That makes gui_statusbar_set_screen() a candidate for a macro... |
| 19:22:44 | _FireFly_ | btw some set-function in gwps-also iirc |
| 19:23:55 | TiMiD | imho, gui_syncstatusbar_draw could be inside another fn |
| 19:24:04 | TiMiD | like the old status_draw |
| 19:24:14 | TiMiD | since it uses most of the time the global var |
| 19:24:26 | TiMiD | statusbars |
| 19:24:40 | TiMiD | the only case when it needs special handling is in wps |
| 19:24:48 | TiMiD | with the %wd tag |
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| 19:32:13 | amiconn | TiMiD: Works like a charm now; will test-compile some more targets, then commit |
| 19:32:48 | _FireFly_ | amiconn btw you could you have a look at my remote-settings-patch ?? |
| 19:32:56 | _FireFly_ | just updated on tracker |
| 19:33:20 | amiconn | Not right now |
| 19:33:28 | _FireFly_ | ok |
| 19:33:41 | amiconn | My working copy is somewhat different from cvs due to my backlight work |
| 19:34:05 | amiconn | The multiscreen init problem was different files |
| 19:34:35 | TiMiD | hehe |
| 19:35:06 | _FireFly_ | what will be change when you have done your backlight work ?? |
| 19:36:10 | amiconn | Code cleanup, plus the ability to add backlight simulation to the simulators |
| 19:36:55 | t0mas | Bagder? |
| 19:36:57 | _FireFly_ | hmm maybe the patch needs some modification then |
| 19:36:58 | amiconn | I'm planning to do that next, together with grayscale library support in the sim (win32 first) |
| 19:37:05 | t0mas | I've had a call from the Freenode staff |
| 19:37:16 | t0mas | they've processed the rockbox channel registration etc. |
| 19:38:27 | t0mas | and they've "verified" my identify through the phone, so we can start giving out those channel-cloak things we discussed with linus a long time ago |
| 19:38:59 | TiMiD | _FireFly_: maybe I can look at your patch |
| 19:39:07 | TiMiD | once my work is finished |
| 19:39:17 | _FireFly_ | why not :) |
| 19:39:49 | Cassandra | What's a channel cloak thing and why do we want one? |
| 19:40:58 | _FireFly_ | the patch should be working on all platforms at least it compiles on charcell-targets and on lcd-bitmap-targets without remote-lcd |
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| 19:46:59 | Cassandra | Hey, amiconn, what is it that we're missing that means we can't do greyscale support in the WPS? |
| 19:47:31 | amiconn | For foreground graphics it would be possible (needs an extended bmp loader) |
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| 19:47:53 | amiconn | For background graphics I can't think of a good method |
| 19:48:12 | Cassandra | Erm, what do you mean by "foreground graphics"? |
| 19:48:13 | amiconn | greyscale/ colour has no notion of foreground/background |
| 19:48:56 | amiconn | We would need an explicit z-ordering and perhaps also a bitmask |
| 19:50:06 | Cassandra | So essentially it requires extending the graphics API to do its own z-buffering or something? |
| 19:50:37 | Cassandra | At the moment, we draw graphics on top of text anyway don't we? |
| 19:50:54 | San | I am playing POKEMON on my H300 |
| 19:51:00 | San | using rockboy |
| 19:51:09 | _FireFly_ | yepp images are drawn ontop the text |
| 19:52:01 | San | crap |
| 19:52:04 | amiconn | It means (1) the wps needs a method to specify z-ordering. (2) an extended bmp loader (simple). (3) a drawing function for greyscale/colour bitmaps that also takes a monochrome bitmap as a mask. (4) a way to associate the monochrome bitmap with its greyscale/colour bitmap |
| 19:52:07 | San | only play button works |
| 19:52:26 | amiconn | and (5) a probably very complex handling for scrolling text |
| 19:52:53 | Cassandra | I don't really understand the need for (3) and (4) what do they do? |
| 19:53:16 | amiconn | Today, all bitmaps are simply drawn on top of the text, with DRMODE_FG |
| 19:53:21 | Philip | san: lol i tried that as well...... |
| 19:53:22 | _FireFly_ | when you draw a gray-scale or color bitmap you will overdrawn the whole area |
| 19:53:26 | amiconn | This keeps the text visible |
| 19:53:40 | _FireFly_ | of the bitmap size |
| 19:53:45 | amiconn | A grey/colour bitmap would cover its full rectangle |
| 19:53:45 | Cassandra | Ah, right. |
| 19:53:57 | Cassandra | Why can't we write the text into the greyscale buffer? |
| 19:54:04 | amiconn | ?? |
| 19:54:06 | amiconn | We do |
| 19:54:37 | Cassandra | OK - let me put it another way. Why don't we currently get this problem? |
| 19:54:58 | amiconn | Because we only use monochrome bitmaps, and draw them in DRMODE_FG |
| 19:55:00 | _FireFly_ | because we use 1bit bitmaps |
| 19:55:45 | _FireFly_ | where have a pixel only two possibilities visible or not |
| 19:56:02 | _FireFly_ | where a pixel have... |
| 19:56:28 | amiconn | All of this is of no concern if there are no overlapping elements |
| 19:56:40 | amiconn | ....but people *will* scream for background images |
| 19:56:48 | Philip | yes i am |
| 19:57:06 | Philip | I WANT BACKGROUND GRAPHICS !! ;) |
| 19:57:10 | _FireFly_ | but in gray-scale or color images a pixel is always visible and you need a 1bit bitmap as mask to tell waht pixel needs to be drawn or not |
| 19:57:10 | linuxstb | Mmm. Looks like my ipod has no space for a config sector... |
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| 19:57:17 | amiconn | (I don't understand why, but...) |
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| 19:57:43 | _FireFly_ | amiconn: many users loves eyecandy :) |
| 19:57:53 | Philip | what is the point in having a colour screen if the background is white/black |
| 19:58:25 | amiconn | The background doesn't have to be white or black, but imho a background image makes the actual imformation harder to read/see |
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| 19:58:51 | _FireFly_ | it depends on the background- and font-color |
| 19:59:27 | Cassandra | I think I'd like to do boxes for the H320 in Rockbox website blues with white text. |
| 19:59:43 | Cassandra | Or maybe black text. |
| 19:59:46 | _FireFly_ | that will have a good contrast |
| 19:59:46 | amiconn | And apart from that, I don't understand the purpose of a colour screen on a dap |
| 19:59:50 | Philip | has anyone flashed their player with a H3modded version of rockbox??? |
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| 20:00:24 | amiconn | Cassandra: The H3x0 default background colour *is* "rockbox blue". Black text |
| 20:00:36 | _FireFly_ | it makes only sense if you can play videos in it but the it isn't a pure dap anymore |
| 20:00:41 | amiconn | yeps |
| 20:00:43 | Philip | yes slghtly off white |
| 20:01:02 | linuxstb | Did someone suggest writing config information to a text flle? |
| 20:01:24 | amiconn | Text + binary file |
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| 20:01:57 | Cassandra | amicon: Good - less work for me then. :) |
| 20:02:31 | Cassandra | I do wish "Rockbox orange" would die a death though. |
| 20:02:36 | Cassandra | It's such a harsh colour. |
| 20:02:53 | amiconn | Your wps should work as-is on H3x0, except if there are problems caused by the different resolution |
| 20:02:59 | amiconn | Just test in the win32 sim... |
| 20:03:34 | Cassandra | Well, it'll work, but it'd be nice to make the boxes a different shade of blue, or something. |
| 20:03:51 | Cassandra | If we're going to have a colour screen, we ought to be showing off with it. |
| 20:03:58 | Cassandra | (Colour icons etc. too.) |
| 20:04:26 | amiconn | I don't consider that top priority |
| 20:04:44 | amiconn | First thing is to bring it on par with the H1x0 port |
| 20:05:04 | amiconn | Some things already use colour, e.g. cube.rock |
| 20:05:06 | Cassandra | Me neither, but it is definitely something we should have in place before release. |
| 20:05:16 | linuxstb | I like colour, but too much colour is very bad. My motorola phone has a hideous colour UI. |
| 20:05:23 | _FireFly_ | i think it will Cassandra |
| 20:06:00 | amiconn | All WPS graphics in one BMP would make things easier concerning masking |
| 20:06:01 | Cassandra | linuxstb, but the motos are themeable, and the silver theme is quite restrained. |
| 20:06:14 | amiconn | Then we could have a second BMP containing the masks |
| 20:06:31 | amiconn | ...at the same coordinates as the graphics in the first BMP |
| 20:06:41 | Cassandra | I don't like lots of colour myself, but used well it can be really effective. |
| 20:07:04 | _FireFly_ | amiconn: i'm working on it i had it already but then i had it accidentaly deleted |
| 20:07:15 | _FireFly_ | :( |
| 20:07:16 | Cassandra | Why can't you just use the background colour as your mask, amiconn? |
| 20:07:25 | amiconn | The inverse bar cursor also 'uses' colour on H3x0, as it actually complements all colours in the rectangle |
| 20:07:29 | Cassandra | I think it's my day for asking stupid questions or something. |
| 20:07:35 | amiconn | So it's white text on brown background |
| 20:07:42 | San | for the H300? |
| 20:07:51 | amiconn | Cassandra: Which background colour? |
| 20:07:52 | Philip | i would much prefer to have music playing than colour UI but for later development colour screens would be nice :) |
| 20:08:38 | San | me too |
| 20:08:48 | San | to be honest, I prefare the black and white |
| 20:08:49 | linuxstb | amiconn: So it wasn't my eyes deceiving me, the inverse bar _is_ brown... |
| 20:08:55 | San | and then color pictures and games |
| 20:08:58 | Lear | For palette images it would be easy with a background colour at least... |
| 20:09:09 | Cassandra | Erm, well some file formats have a "transparency" colour specified, don't they? |
| 20:09:11 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes it is. It's just the complemented rockbox blue |
| 20:09:23 | Philip | no i would rather have a colour UI than colour games... |
| 20:09:33 | Lear | Not BMP, afaik. |
| 20:09:36 | amiconn | Cassandra: Yes, but BMP does not (iirc) |
| 20:09:38 | Xavier|afk | Cassandra: Don't you like the orange colour of Rockbox logo? |
| 20:09:42 | Xavier|afk | I love it! |
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| 20:09:54 | Cassandra | Xavier|afk, nope - absolutely hate it. |
| 20:10:02 | Philip | its not that bad |
| 20:10:05 | Cassandra | It's like visua;l assault. |
| 20:10:14 | * | amiconn disagrees |
| 20:10:29 | Cassandra | amiconn, then perhaps we ought to think about implementing PNG? |
| 20:10:47 | Cassandra | BMP does have custom pallette, right? |
| 20:11:11 | Cassandra | If so, you could just use whatever colour 0 is as your transparency colour. |
| 20:11:37 | Lear | cassandra: full png support is fairly large though... |
| 20:11:51 | amiconn | Hmm, that might work, but it would make the BMP loader more complex |
| 20:12:09 | ender` | BMP as in windows bitmap? |
| 20:12:43 | amiconn | The in-ram pixel format is very different from the on-disk pixel format |
| 20:12:54 | Cassandra | True, but I think it's less complex that having a seperate mask. |
| 20:12:58 | amiconn | And: what about highcolour/truecolour BMPs? |
| 20:13:15 | ender` | BMP can use RLE compression :) |
| 20:14:01 | ender` | also, almost nothing supports hi-color (16bit) BMPs, so you can safely skip those |
| 20:14:09 | amiconn | Huh? |
| 20:14:23 | amiconn | All BMP-handling apps I tried know and handle 16bit BMPs |
| 20:14:51 | amiconn | H3x0/ colour ipod rockbox saves screenshots as 16bit BMPs |
| 20:14:53 | ender` | really? last time i encountered a 16bit BMP (3-4 years), only MS Paint could open it |
| 20:14:58 | Lear | My desktop uses a bmp as background... |
| 20:16:27 | San | can some one please point me in the direction of the plugin page fot the h100 series :D |
| 20:16:27 | Cassandra | You could always just not support transparency for 16 bit BMPs. |
| 20:16:42 | San | *for |
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| 20:17:10 | Cassandra | Especially as they're likely to be background images anyway. |
| 20:17:20 | amiconn | Cassandra: Hmm, maybe. |
| 20:17:38 | Cassandra | Rockbox Orange clashes with the blue, imho. |
| 20:17:41 | amiconn | There's still the most complex problem (5) |
| 20:18:12 | Cassandra | What was (5) again? |
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| 20:18:34 | amiconn | Today, scrolling lines (will be changed to boxes some day) "take over" their whole rectangle. |
| 20:18:46 | amiconn | This will no longer work with a background image... |
| 20:20:06 | Cassandra | Ah, yes. |
| 20:20:09 | amiconn | We coud buffer the background in the scrolling_object structure, but then we also need a method to tell the scrolling thread that the background has changed |
| 20:20:24 | Cassandra | Can't you just fill the rectangle with background, and then put the text on top afterwards. |
| 20:20:48 | Cassandra | Stop answering my questions before I ask them. ;) |
| 20:20:52 | amiconn | Hmm, perhaps the background image could be in a separate buffer |
| 20:21:05 | amiconn | (*one* extra buffer, screen size) |
| 20:21:08 | Cassandra | Don't see why not. |
| 20:21:24 | amiconn | This should work... |
| 20:21:33 | Cassandra | Then your scroll operation becomes, copy from appropriate part of background, write text on top. |
| 20:22:00 | amiconn | Yes. More bit fiddling than right now |
| 20:22:13 | Cassandra | But not particularly hard, no? |
| 20:22:18 | amiconn | (bsut unaviodable afaics) |
| 20:22:22 | amiconn | *but |
| 20:22:29 | amiconn | bah |
| 20:22:32 | * | amiconn can't type |
| 20:22:37 | Cassandra | *nods* I think you're right. |
| 20:22:56 | amiconn | In fact such a concept would allow having the background everywhere |
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| 20:23:36 | Cassandra | Couldn't you just have scrolling as an "always on top" operation. |
| 20:24:07 | amiconn | The question is how the scrolling thread knows what is behind the text |
| 20:24:14 | Cassandra | Then you wouldn't even need a seperate buffer. Just make sure your scroll was the last thing you wrote before flushing the image buffer to the screen. |
| 20:24:33 | amiconn | We don't write the whole screen every scroll tick |
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| 20:24:48 | amiconn | That would be a huge waste, if it would work at all |
| 20:25:10 | amiconn | Scrolling isn't handled in the UI thread |
| 20:25:22 | Cassandra | Right. |
| 20:25:32 | Cassandra | Oh well, it was a thought. |
| 20:25:39 | amiconn | ...and if it would, I think we would have to say bye bye to smotth scrolling |
| 20:25:49 | amiconn | *smooth |
| 20:25:53 | _FireFly_ | what about this: lcd_display_clear and lcd_display_clear_rect clears to the background |
| 20:26:10 | _FireFly_ | background-image |
| 20:26:15 | linuxstb | Maybe we could use the LCD controller to scroll. IIRC, the colour controller both the ipod and H300 use has some functions for that. |
| 20:26:16 | amiconn | Yes, if it is enabled |
| 20:27:04 | amiconn | linuxstb: The lcd controller always scrolls the whole area, it has no notion of foreground/background |
| 20:27:29 | amiconn | ..and the number of scrolling areas is limited |
| 20:27:38 | amiconn | ...to one, iirc |
| 20:27:59 | linuxstb | I forgot you wanted to scroll text over a static background. |
| 20:28:17 | amiconn | We have to if we want to support background images |
| 20:28:22 | amiconn | obviously |
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| 20:50:19 | amiconn | We don't need to draw twice for background image support |
| 20:51:16 | amiconn | It can be integrated with clearpixel() and the pixel block functions in the driver |
| 20:53:59 | amiconn | Imho background image handling doesn't make sense for 1bit displays. Anyone who disagrees? |
| 20:58:40 | _FireFly_ | no it doesn't make any sense :) |
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| 21:15:29 | S-Eata | sup all |
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| 21:47:46 | Philip | would that explain why the iriver firmware leaves a white box around the track title which is the only part that scrolls?? |
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| 21:53:37 | _FireFly_ | yeahaa i have combined-bitmap support back :) |
| 21:53:50 | amiconn | Hmpf :/ |
| 21:53:57 | _FireFly_ | amiconn: what |
| 21:53:58 | amiconn | No tick task support in the sims :( |
| 21:54:08 | _FireFly_ | oh |
| 21:54:20 | amiconn | Seems I have to add that |
| 21:56:04 | S-Eata | people are alive |
| 21:56:08 | San | yes |
| 21:56:18 | San | making good progress amiconn? |
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| 22:02:34 | San | brb |
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| 22:10:08 | drumrboy320 | anyone home? |
| 22:10:28 | hshah | any nice dev around who may be willing to commit my wps to cvs? |
| 22:11:56 | drumrboy320 | http://digg.com/linux_unix/SCO_to_release_a_new_type_or_mobile_order_system,_coming_to_a_deli_near_you |
| 22:12:25 | len0x | show me WPS :) |
| 22:14:16 | S-Eata | sup |
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| 22:17:26 | Philip | i'm upgrading to rockbox with modded images wish me luck |
| 22:17:37 | amiconn | Hmm, where's LinusN when you need him? ;) |
| 22:17:41 | Philip | w00t |
| 22:17:54 | Philip | its not dead |
| 22:18:00 | HCl | mmm... |
| 22:18:36 | Philip | :D :D :D |
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| 22:21:55 | San||Studying | Phillip, I actually yeally like the origional firmware now from being so long on the abstract theme |
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| 22:22:29 | San | BTW, do you know H3mod adds extra lines to the end of the firmware to tell it where the images are when you save it? |
| 22:22:44 | San | will that not mess up the patching? |
| 22:23:40 | PaulJ | H3Mod overwrites the origonal images in the firmware |
| 22:24:27 | San | yeah |
| 22:24:49 | San | but if you have a look at the end of the firmware, you see extra lines added in by H3mod |
| 22:24:52 | pinkutank | tell me the results |
| 22:25:06 | San | open up a modded firmware in a text editor if you dont belive me |
| 22:25:26 | Philip | it works fine |
| 22:25:27 | pinkutank | san, i think it shoudlnt be problem since it wont change the # of the other lines |
| 22:25:34 | pinkutank | but you will have a different checksum |
| 22:25:35 | Philip | no sistorted images |
| 22:25:44 | Philip | *distorted |
| 22:26:05 | San | <pinkutank> san, i think it shoudlnt be problem since it wont change the # of the other lines <−− It adds about 20 lines to the end of the firmware |
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| 22:26:25 | San | how'd it go phil? |
| 22:26:41 | Philip | absolutetly no problem |
| 22:26:51 | San | cool |
| 22:26:57 | Philip | said that three times now ;) |
| 22:27:14 | San | lol |
| 22:27:42 | San | oh, yeah, whats with all the crap that happens when you start the player? |
| 22:27:54 | Philip | Its just that i only just finished http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=32024 and i think it looks too good to give up :D |
| 22:27:59 | San | the pixels that run down the screen |
| 22:28:13 | pinkutank | so modded install worked? |
| 22:28:15 | Philip | ??? no idea |
| 22:28:24 | Philip | yes modded install worked |
| 22:28:26 | pinkutank | 4 times a charm |
| 22:28:27 | pinkutank | :D |
| 22:28:31 | Philip | lol |
| 22:28:44 | PaulJ | san: i have tried it. h3mod dean't add lines at the end here |
| 22:28:56 | PaulJ | doesn't |
| 22:29:13 | Philip | the pixels ran down the screen before i modded the images in the firmware |
| 22:29:24 | San | last time i checked, it had added lines |
| 22:30:20 | San | maby that was an older verson of H3mod |
| 22:30:25 | Philip | i don't think the greek language file works properly |
| 22:31:23 | Philip | can you create playlists |
| 22:31:51 | San | no |
| 22:32:02 | Philip | didn't think so |
| 22:33:51 | * | LedFloyd np: 9A4850EAd01 [00:00m/0Kbps/0KHz] |
| 22:34:31 | San | it just goes crazy like when you try to play music |
| 22:34:42 | Philip | yep :( |
| 22:35:22 | Philip | lost of work needed and unfortunately i know nothing about it :( so can't help but i have tons of free time |
| 22:36:16 | t0mas | Philip: try to learn C? |
| 22:36:24 | t0mas | and think of some nice plugin we need... |
| 22:36:41 | t0mas | or if you can't code anything... try to update the manual? |
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| 22:37:05 | t0mas | afaik there is no nice manual for a next release (iriver buttons etc) |
| 22:37:33 | Philip | are the buttons finalized yet ???? |
| 22:37:43 | t0mas | not sure... |
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| 22:37:55 | t0mas | that's something to look at too... |
| 22:37:59 | t0mas | there is still a lot todo |
| 22:38:07 | hshah_ | hey t0mas |
| 22:38:08 | t0mas | hi |
| 22:38:10 | hshah_ | hows it going mate |
| 22:38:14 | t0mas | bad... |
| 22:38:20 | hshah_ | oh rite :( |
| 22:38:22 | t0mas | overworking |
| 22:38:31 | hshah_ | any news on that flashing backlight with the beat thing? |
| 22:38:39 | t0mas | and that's bad for my extra coding on stuff like rockbox |
| 22:39:00 | hshah_ | lol |
| 22:39:06 | hshah_ | ill take that as a no |
| 22:39:10 | t0mas | nope... it works here... but I haven't updated rockbox on my iriver for 5 weeks now or something |
| 22:39:31 | t0mas | and iirc it was using a lot of cpu the last time I checked... |
| 22:39:43 | t0mas | or it was flickering if I tried to use less cpu |
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| 22:44:13 | amiconn | w00t! |
| 22:44:20 | amiconn | Tick tasks work in win32 :) |
| 22:44:27 | amiconn | Now the same for x11 |
| 22:44:31 | amiconn | (easy) |
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| 22:46:51 | preglow | damn, that's was an inconvenient time to fall asleep on |
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| 22:50:50 | linuxstb | preglow: Did you say that you get the "Shutting down..." message appearing on your nano? |
| 22:51:01 | linuxstb | (after the idle timeout) |
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| 22:53:45 | preglow | linuxstb: yes |
| 22:53:55 | preglow | i've gotten it several times |
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| 22:54:27 | linuxstb | The reason I didn't get it on mine turned out to be that the calc_config_sector function couldn't find a sector to write the config data to. |
| 22:54:49 | linuxstb | Are you in Linux at the moment? |
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| 22:58:04 | FingerSoup | I've got a question regarding building a plugin - I'm looking at building one, and I need to know - what kind of stuff do I need to do to compile for testing on the simulator? ie: what kind of compile options do I need? do I just drop my source in the plugins folder and rebuild Rockbox, or do I need to edit Makefiles, etc...? |
| 22:58:28 | FingerSoup | It's a Connect 4 game |
| 22:58:38 | linuxstb | You just need to add the name of your .c file to apps/plugins/SOURCES |
| 22:59:01 | linuxstb | You may need to re-run ../tools/configure - I'm not 100% sure. |
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| 23:00:13 | FingerSoup | Will that build it for all platforms, or do I need to specify that somewhere else? |
| 23:00:15 | amiconn | linuxstb: If calc_config_sector() can't find a usable sector, rockbox should just complain about it, but carry on otherwise |
| 23:00:29 | amiconn | If it hangs on shutdown because of that, it's a bug |
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| 23:01:48 | amiconn | FingerSoup: Just add it to apps/plugins/SOURCES and run 'make' |
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| 23:02:02 | preglow | linuxstb: nah, i'm not |
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| 23:03:44 | preglow | linuxstb: why? |
| 23:03:53 | Bagder | as you will soon see, we should redo some of our APIs |
| 23:03:53 | linuxstb | amiconn: The symptoms were that my ipod would (after the idle_timeout period) display the "Save Failed. No Partition?" message. |
| 23:03:59 | Bagder | to not use unsigned char * |
| 23:04:12 | amiconn | Bagder: Why? |
| 23:04:22 | Bagder | because we have a major inconsistency |
| 23:04:24 | linuxstb | I changed that message to display the value config_sector, and it was set to zero. |
| 23:04:31 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes, but that should not stop it from shutting down |
| 23:04:38 | Bagder | so we can't avoid having _many_ typecasts |
| 23:04:46 | Bagder | to avoid gcc4 warnings |
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| 23:04:58 | amiconn | unsigned char is better in many places |
| 23:05:18 | Bagder | well, for a pointer it is often no point |
| 23:05:30 | Bagder | and the standard ones like strcpy() et all use 'char *' |
| 23:05:48 | amiconn | In some place, when you change from unsigned to signed char, code size will increase on SH1 |
| 23:06:10 | amiconn | E.g >>8 and <<8 are single instructions for unsigned, but not for signed |
| 23:06:15 | Bagder | when using pointers as function arguments? |
| 23:06:25 | amiconn | No, but within functions |
| 23:06:32 | Bagder | right, but see this: |
| 23:06:38 | Bagder | rb->snprintf(buf, 32, "elapsed time: %d secs", (elapsed_ticks + (HZ/2)) / HZ); |
| 23:06:38 | Bagder | rb->lcd_puts(0, 2, (unsigned char *)buf); |
| 23:06:39 | amiconn | ...and the pointers match the type they point to, right? |
| 23:06:44 | Bagder | a typical use |
| 23:06:51 | Bagder | that will _require_ typecasts |
| 23:07:11 | amiconn | That's the can of worms I mentioned... |
| 23:07:22 | Bagder | I mention it now |
| 23:07:28 | amiconn | Imho we should stay away from gcc 4.0+ for a very long time... |
| 23:07:30 | Bagder | the problem is our inconsitency |
| 23:07:48 | Bagder | gcc4 does have a bunch of good warnings |
| 23:08:15 | linuxstb | preglow: I was curious to know what your partition table looks like on your nano. |
| 23:09:21 | preglow | linuxstb: i think i backuped that, wait a sec |
| 23:09:59 | linuxstb | preglow: If you had a button driver, you could go into the debug menu in Rockbox.... :) |
| 23:10:28 | preglow | linuxstb: yeah, i'm going to look furhter into that afterwards if i can stay awake |
| 23:10:33 | preglow | right now i'm into some other coding |
| 23:10:52 | linuxstb | np |
| 23:11:08 | * | amiconn is messing with a ton of source files |
| 23:11:16 | * | Bagder too |
| 23:11:30 | amiconn | Hopefully we won't get a clash |
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| 23:11:49 | Bagder | my changes are rather simple anyway |
| 23:12:03 | preglow | linuxstb: i'm also going to start naming a ton of controller registers before my head starts spinning |
| 23:12:15 | linuxstb | preglow: Good. |
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| 23:12:42 | preglow | should i just have pp5002 and pp5020 registers share names when they've got more or less the same function? |
| 23:12:43 | amiconn | Bagder: This backlight stuff is really scattered. I hope to make the situation somewhat better |
| 23:12:44 | linuxstb | Have you seen the http://ipodlinux.org/GPIO page? |
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| 23:12:48 | Wett | hi there |
| 23:13:16 | preglow | linuxstb: yes i have, that and the PP5020 page, and they look very handy indeed |
| 23:13:17 | amiconn | In fact backlight simulation (not yet for real, just as debug output) allows to share more code between targets and sims |
| 23:13:22 | Wett | have a dumb question : how do I tell rockbox to open a specific file with a codec of mine ? |
| 23:13:31 | linuxstb | preglow: I think so. I don't think we will ever want to build a "dual binary". |
| 23:14:09 | preglow | linuxstb: not for targets that diverse, i can pERHAPS see us doing that for different revision lcds and so forth, but never chipsets |
| 23:14:25 | linuxstb | Wett: You have to add support for the codec in various places. What codec is it? |
| 23:14:59 | Wett | i'm trying to port video plugin into a codec for ihp120. It compiles but.. :D |
| 23:15:42 | Wett | is the buffer automatically filled or do I have to do smthg about that ? |
| 23:15:42 | preglow | linuxstb: nah, i've only got the mbr backed up, i see, i'll tell you when i'm in linux again |
| 23:16:03 | amiconn | Bagder: In fact backlight for the sims is rather simple from the target side. Instead of hardware access, there's a simple function sim_backlight(int value) |
| 23:16:21 | amiconn | Currently defined in stubs.c, but about to be moved and implemented for real |
| 23:16:36 | Bagder | neat |
| 23:16:49 | linuxstb | Wett: Go to this page: http://www.rockbox.org/since25.html and search for "Patch #1352575". If you then look at the changes in those files, you will see what needs to be done. |
| 23:16:58 | Wett | ok thanks :) |
| 23:17:01 | linuxstb | That patch added a new audio codec (Shorten). |
| 23:17:09 | amiconn | Otherwise the backlight code is shared. Required me to add tick task support to the sims |
| 23:17:19 | linuxstb | Wett: It changes a few files, but the changes are all just a single line. |
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| 23:17:46 | Wett | ok |
| 23:18:04 | linuxstb | And yes, the buffer will be filled for you - so you can ignore that part. |
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| 23:18:15 | Rince_ | hi |
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| 23:19:54 | linuxstb | Does my idea of ".menu" files stand any chance of making its way into CVS, or is everyone against the idea? |
| 23:20:12 | hshah_ | linuxstb - i don't really see the usefulness of them... |
| 23:20:32 | preglow | and i'd just like it implemented in a way that's slightly less hackish |
| 23:20:43 | preglow | like not needing to move all files into a Browse files folder |
| 23:20:48 | amiconn | linuxstb: I hope you don't mind me touching config-ipod*.h ... |
| 23:21:20 | hshah_ | as i asked earlier, would any nice dev commit my wps to cvs? |
| 23:22:25 | amiconn | linuxstb: Btw, I did not separate CONFIG_BACKLIGHT into HAVE_BACKLIGHT and CONFIG_BACKLIGHT |
| 23:22:34 | amiconn | Turned out to be unnecessary |
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| 23:23:29 | trinidad | hello all...im new to rockbox... found the plugin index page but can't seem to find the dowload links. |
| 23:24:04 | linuxstb | amiconn: Of course not - feel free :) |
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| 23:24:48 | Bagder | trinidad: all those plugins are included with rockbox |
| 23:24:53 | trinidad | oh cool |
| 23:24:55 | trinidad | duh |
| 23:24:57 | trinidad | thanks |
| 23:25:00 | trinidad | gonna check em out now |
| 23:25:04 | linuxstb | preglow: I'm not sure why you call that part of it a hack. It's just a convention for organising your hard disk. |
| 23:26:54 | Wett | gotta reboot |
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| 23:28:57 | trinidad | Bagder, thanks |
| 23:28:57 | trinidad | :) |
| 23:29:06 | FingerSoup | regarding rb->rand() - Is there a default seed, or do I need to srand() at the beginning of my plugin? If so, what is the best seed for an iriver (no RTC)? |
| 23:29:18 | preglow | linuxstb: dunno, just seems like that part should be a proper menu, not a dir |
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| 23:29:34 | Bagder | FingerSoup: there is a default seed done |
| 23:29:49 | preglow | linuxstb: but still, i'm all for a way of organising the layout of rockbox, i don't like it very much as is |
| 23:30:10 | FingerSoup | thanks |
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| 23:32:57 | Rince_ | last night I wanted to listen to a bookmark which was set a few weeks ago. I tried everything but it didn't load. The Disc was spinning, but then rockbox went back to file view. |
| 23:33:47 | Rince_ | is there a bug or am i using this bookmark-feature the wrong way? |
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| 23:45:58 | _FireFly_ | TiMiD: ?? |
| 23:47:08 | TiMiD | no |
| 23:47:12 | _FireFly_ | TiMiD: i have the bug found (wps_sb_tag %we not working on remote) |
| 23:47:15 | TiMiD | useless to ask me something |
| 23:47:25 | _FireFly_ | ;) |
| 23:47:53 | _FireFly_ | do you want to know what the bug is or not ?? |
| 23:47:56 | amiconn | linuxstb: Does the ipod not allow physical ata power control, or do you just not want it? |
| 23:48:21 | _FireFly_ | TiMiD: it's easy to fix |
| 23:48:29 | iobound | linuxstb, hey, remember yesterday when you said codecs get 512kb (+512kb) memory max? |
| 23:48:56 | preglow | what about it? |
| 23:49:15 | _FireFly_ | TiMiD: in the fn gui_wps_statusbar_draw is a gui_wps->data left, which should be wps->data |
| 23:49:17 | TiMiD | _FireFly_: givme the fix |
| 23:49:27 | iobound | i think the dumb plugin would require more than that. many .mod/.s3m/.xm files are 1mb or more, and you really need to have it fully in memory to play it |
| 23:49:50 | preglow | iobound: ahh, he was just talking about code/data size |
| 23:49:53 | preglow | iobound: not size of the music |
| 23:49:57 | _FireFly_ | i was a dump not to test it also for the remote and blind that i had not seen that |
| 23:50:13 | iobound | really? i thought he said the malloc() method worked on a 512kb buffer |
| 23:50:22 | TiMiD | you mean a normal programmer :) |
| 23:50:29 | preglow | iobound: well, yeah, but we don't malloc data for the music |
| 23:50:35 | _FireFly_ | TiMiD: yepp ;) |
| 23:50:37 | preglow | iobound: that we put in our 30meg++ mp3 buffer |
| 23:50:54 | preglow | iobound: the biggest xm i ever saw was slightly below 30 megs, so we should be able to play most of them |
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| 23:51:24 | iobound | oh ok, i guess i misunderstood yesterday, i thought rbx imposed a 512kb limit on memory. |
| 23:51:31 | preglow | nono |
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| 23:51:44 | TiMiD | _FireFly_: gui_wps is a table :D |
| 23:51:48 | preglow | just on size of the codec itself, not the music |
| 23:51:55 | iobound | okay |
| 23:51:56 | TiMiD | here we see how C can introduce mistakes :) |
| 23:51:59 | Jungti1234 | !Á¶Àμ³Á¤ |
| 23:52:16 | Bagder | C doesn't introduce mistakes, programmers do |
| 23:52:18 | preglow | iobound: we'll probably shrink the 512kb as well, right now it's that big to accomodate for the huge aac codec |
| 23:52:33 | TiMiD | Jungti1234: your hanguls are ... special |
| 23:52:43 | _FireFly_ | you shouldn't name a var the same as the struct :) |
| 23:52:46 | TiMiD | which encoding isit ? |
| 23:52:48 | Jungti1234 | :) |
| 23:52:48 | iobound | preglow, ok, how would a codec go about accessing the huge mp3 buffer? |
| 23:52:55 | iobound | is it read_filebuf() ? |
| 23:53:06 | preglow | iobound: most of the accesing is done by the playback system, the codec only reads it |
| 23:53:12 | preglow | iobound: yeah |
| 23:53:14 | TiMiD | _FireFly_: ok patch applied (hard fix ^^) |
| 23:53:25 | _FireFly_ | why hard fix ?? |
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| 23:53:51 | iobound | preglow, oh okay, so, uhm, request_buffer() "allocates" the big memory buffer? |
| 23:54:00 | _FireFly_ | TiMiD: or dou you joking me ?? |
| 23:54:03 | TiMiD | _FireFly_: I had to find the file |
| 23:54:08 | TiMiD | then open it :( |
| 23:54:11 | Jungti1234 | That is 'Join option'. |
| 23:54:14 | TiMiD | then ... find the line !!!! |
| 23:54:16 | preglow | iobound: no, codecs don't allocate, the playback system does |
| 23:54:27 | iobound | ok |
| 23:54:30 | preglow | iobound: we'll need some more code in playback.c to handle stuff like mods |
| 23:54:40 | TiMiD | Jungti1234: EUCKR ? |
| 23:54:49 | iobound | alright |
| 23:54:51 | _FireFly_ | TiMiD: argh sorry next time i will give you a street-map to find it ;) |
| 23:54:51 | Jungti1234 | maybe. |
| 23:55:17 | FingerSoup | TiMiD - Sounds like rocket science. Perhaps we should hire one for that fix... :) |
| 23:55:56 | FingerSoup | err hire a rocket scientist. I'll shut up now :) |
| 23:55:56 | TiMiD | lol |
| 23:56:14 | Jungti1234 | #freenode |
| 23:56:23 | TiMiD | just hire someone to givme aspirine, it's all taht I need right now ;) |
| 23:56:31 | FingerSoup | :) |
| 23:57:09 | amiconn | Gah! |
| 23:57:09 | * | _FireFly_ gives TiMiD some aspirine |
| 23:57:50 | _FireFly_ | amiconn: what's up ?? |
| 23:58:35 | iobound | preglow, so. uhm.. could request_buffer() be used as malloc() in a codec (nevermind it being horrible style) |
| 23:58:56 | amiconn | I wondered why my h120 win32 wouldn't link, missing a function. |
| 23:59:00 | preglow | iobound: again, no, a codec can't save data there, only the playback system is supposed to put data there |
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