| 00:00:17 | Wett | amiconn: you were right. It works... much better -_- |
| 00:00:40 | amiconn | Goodie. |
| 00:00:51 | Wett | but something's strange |
| 00:00:59 | amiconn | Btw, if you're playing .rvf files made for archos you need HZ/67, |
| 00:01:25 | amiconn | but when tailoring .rvfs for H1xo, HZ/70 are optimal |
| 00:01:43 | Wett | yep but it was just a test video |
| 00:01:47 | hshah | can anyone please answer my question - where is the code for the remote usb logo kept? |
| 00:01:51 | hshah | which file? |
| 00:02:06 | amiconn | Wett: yes of course |
| 00:02:31 | amiconn | The toolchain needs adjustment anyway (different default frequency, different resolution) |
| 00:02:41 | Wett | already done :) |
| 00:03:16 | Wett | but about timer : what is the time I give it ? |
| 00:03:47 | amiconn | It's the number of base system clocks |
| 00:03:58 | amiconn | ...between 2 interrupts |
| 00:04:23 | amiconn | Base CPU clocks I mean |
| 00:04:26 | Wett | ok, so I should not give it the same that on archos. But... When I gave it the frequency/fps, it was 10 time slower |
| 00:04:39 | Wett | about |
| 00:05:27 | LinusN | hshah: you don't have the source? |
| 00:05:35 | LinusN | use grep |
| 00:05:41 | preglow | we should make #rockbox-logo-questions |
| 00:05:56 | hshah | what do you mean LinusN? |
| 00:06:11 | amiconn | Wett: Just give it CPU_FREQ / 67 (or whatever timing you want) |
| 00:06:21 | LinusN | grep is a tool to find a text string inside files |
| 00:06:25 | amiconn | CPU_FREQ is a constant, it's the base CPU frequency |
| 00:06:41 | Wett | constant ? and what about frequency changes ? |
| 00:06:51 | hshah | i used the windows search thing, but i still can't find which file its in, coz i dunno what im looking for |
| 00:06:54 | XavierGr_ | hshah try a text search fo r string that might relates to the usb icon |
| 00:07:04 | amiconn | These are handled in timer.c |
| 00:07:15 | hshah | logo.c has the logo for the main screen... |
| 00:07:24 | amiconn | This handling is the reason why all higher frequencies are an integer multiple of the base |
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| 00:07:48 | LinusN | hshah: find .. -name "*.c" -exec grep -H usb_logo {} \; |
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| 00:07:53 | hshah | i think it may be using the same code for the remote... but im not sure because i thought that TiMiD had implimented separate logos for both |
| 00:08:02 | Wett | oh ok |
| 00:08:06 | Wett | thanks a lot amiconn :) gotta reboot |
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| 00:08:38 | LinusN | hshah: that gives apps/gui/logo.c |
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| 00:08:57 | hshah | well i know there where the usb logo for the main screen is... |
| 00:09:02 | hshah | wheres the one for the remote screen? |
| 00:09:08 | hshah | or is it the same one? |
| 00:09:14 | LinusN | hshah: that gives apps/gui/logo.c |
| 00:09:25 | LinusN | try opening it and looking inside it |
| 00:09:50 | hshah | LinusN - i only have one set of hex values in there |
| 00:09:59 | LinusN | have you updated your cvs? |
| 00:10:00 | amiconn | Wow... I just compared compilation of the x11 sim under Linux and under cygwin |
| 00:10:02 | hshah | one for the main iriver unit... |
| 00:10:03 | hshah | yeah |
| 00:10:14 | hshah | i think ill delete the logo.c and try it again... |
| 00:10:26 | amiconn | ...on the very same machine, with Linux having the additional handicap of running under VMware |
| 00:10:46 | hshah | LinusN - i update my cvs every time there is a change... |
| 00:11:01 | amiconn | H120 x11 sim compilation time: Linux: 110s cygwin: 390s |
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| 00:11:25 | preglow | amiconn: cygwin is incredibly slow, no surprises there |
| 00:11:41 | amiconn | I know... but a factor of >3 ... |
| 00:11:51 | preglow | i would have thought it was even slower than that |
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| 00:11:58 | preglow | and if you're running vmware, it probably is |
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| 00:12:13 | amiconn | Well, VMware 5 is pretty fast |
| 00:12:15 | LinusN | hshah: the same bitmap is used for both main and remote |
| 00:12:23 | amiconn | hi Wett |
| 00:12:41 | hshah | LinusN - "Adapted and commited Markus Kaufhold's remote hold icon on statusbar patch for iriver ; generic logo handler (now it's possible to have a different USB logo on main screen and on remote), made the quickscreen behave as it was before" |
| 00:12:44 | LinusN | hshah: see the usb_logos[] array |
| 00:13:07 | amiconn | Wett: You can't use the video_frametime value from the RVF-header verbatim, you need an adjustment similar to the adjustment done for Ondio |
| 00:13:27 | Wett | back |
| 00:13:51 | LinusN | hshah: create a new image and fill in the usb_logos[] array |
| 00:13:53 | amiconn | CPU_FREQ for iriver is very close to that of the archos recorder, but not identical => video and audio would slightly drift apart over time |
| 00:14:02 | Wett | yes I have to deduce the base fps and to calc the new value |
| 00:14:15 | amiconn | iriver: 11289600; recorder: 11059200 |
| 00:14:45 | Wett | ok. It has a sync() function, but I should not use it too much times |
| 00:14:47 | amiconn | I would just convert video_frametime based on the reduced ratio of the 2 frequencies |
| 00:14:49 | Wett | wow, i see |
| 00:14:59 | Wett | yep, sounds good |
| 00:15:03 | amiconn | ...like I did for the Ondio |
| 00:15:13 | hshah | LinusN - i can't really code in c, so you might have to explain this a little bit... there are two usb_logos[] arrays defined... |
| 00:15:13 | Wett | oh |
| 00:15:21 | amiconn | This 625/576 ratio is reduced from 12000000/11059200 |
| 00:15:40 | LinusN | hshah: the first one is for text displays |
| 00:15:48 | amiconn | Somewhere I already did these calculations... |
| 00:16:02 | LinusN | hshah: sorry, the second one |
| 00:16:10 | hshah | LinusN - ahh rite... |
| 00:16:15 | hshah | ok - lemme try that now |
| 00:16:20 | * | amiconn is looking for a note |
| 00:16:27 | petur | why does cvs say "move away xxx it is in the way" with a C in front of the file? I haven't changed anything locally :\ |
| 00:16:36 | Wett | it seems I have to take back my old calculator |
| 00:16:41 | LinusN | change the one inside the #if NB_SCREENS==2 |
| 00:17:05 | amiconn | Wett: Rather small numbers when reduced: 11289600/11059200 == 49/48 |
| 00:17:19 | LinusN | petur: you have a local file which wasn't in cvs when you checked out the first time |
| 00:17:22 | Wett | woohoo, fast |
| 00:17:30 | amiconn | Yes, found my note... |
| 00:17:48 | LinusN | now it's in cvs and you need to remove the local file |
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| 00:18:38 | petur | but it is complaining about sourcefiles I haven't added... better remove everything and retry? |
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| 00:20:14 | LinusN | petur: not you, someone else |
| 00:20:30 | petur | ok |
| 00:20:30 | LinusN | petur: which file is it |
| 00:20:32 | LinusN | ? |
| 00:20:46 | petur | most of them :( |
| 00:20:52 | LinusN | wow |
| 00:21:00 | LinusN | did you unpack a tar file? |
| 00:21:25 | petur | I prbably did something wrong yes... but I have to go now, will retry in the weekend... |
| 00:21:30 | LinusN | ok |
| 00:22:20 | petur | btw, will dive into the code next week, have a H340 and want to help.... just not used to CVS and cygwin... |
| 00:22:35 | petur | spoiled by IDE development as they say ;) |
| 00:22:45 | LinusN | wimp :-) |
| 00:23:00 | petur | later.. |
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| 00:23:26 | Bagder | "weakened" is the word ;-) |
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| 00:27:39 | Bagder | we should change the prototype for gui_syncsplash() to an unsigned char * in the 3rd arg |
| 00:29:50 | preglow | Bagder: still working on gcc4ification? :) |
| 00:29:56 | Bagder | yes |
| 00:30:17 | hshah | LinusN - im still a bit confused... if this is my remote bmp hex http://www.warwickforums.co.uk/remote.txt what do i exactly put in between the code I have just PMed you? |
| 00:30:19 | Bagder | I find myself adding casts to too many gui_syncsplash() calls |
| 00:31:32 | LinusN | hshah: add that below the usb_logo_main |
| 00:31:51 | Bagder | I'll just proceed and do it I guess |
| 00:31:55 | LinusN | rename the #defines and the name accordingly |
| 00:32:43 | LinusN | usb_logo_remote is my suggestion |
| 00:36:19 | Bagder | aaah |
| 00:36:28 | * | Bagder just realized a painful flaw |
| 00:36:37 | Wett | hm. How can I detect the end of a file ? I just... Crashes |
| 00:36:51 | Bagder | the approach: gui_syncsplash(HZ, true, str(LANG_BLABLABLA)) is used all over |
| 00:37:05 | Bagder | and if a translation adds %s in the string... |
| 00:38:06 | LinusN | why would only one translation do that? |
| 00:38:22 | Bagder | mistake, on purpose or a weird language |
| 00:38:46 | LinusN | oh no, a vulnerability... |
| 00:38:57 | LinusN | .-) |
| 00:38:58 | preglow | Bagder: have binlang check for it |
| 00:39:09 | LinusN | %s is allowed |
| 00:39:22 | preglow | right, it is |
| 00:39:32 | LinusN | if the english string has it |
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| 00:41:09 | amiconn | wow |
| 00:41:15 | * | amiconn is surprised |
| 00:41:56 | amiconn | Just installed mingw and wine on my debian VM, and it simply works :) |
| 00:42:12 | Bagder | hehe |
| 00:42:29 | LinusN | lovely isn't it? |
| 00:42:34 | Bagder | you gonna run cygwin in that wine in vmware? ;-) |
| 00:42:41 | amiconn | I could try... |
| 00:43:13 | LinusN | ?too many recursions error |
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| 00:44:07 | amiconn | I guess this is the same mingw cross compiler as used on the build server? |
| 00:44:15 | LinusN | yes |
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| 00:46:55 | hshah | thanks LinusN - works a treat :) |
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| 00:47:37 | LinusN | hshah: goodie |
| 00:47:41 | amiconn | LinusN: The only thing not working right in the win32 sim under wine is the timer stuff |
| 00:47:57 | LinusN | ok |
| 00:48:00 | amiconn | The 4s backlight timeout needs almost 40 real seconds |
| 00:48:14 | Kyl3 | Any luck with music playback yest Linus? |
| 00:48:28 | amiconn | Not sure whether wine or vmware is to blame here |
| 00:48:42 | LinusN | Kyl3: working on non-rockbox stuff now |
| 00:48:50 | Kyl3 | aha |
| 00:48:57 | Kyl3 | k |
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| 00:56:49 | preglow | amiconn: you're running wine in vmware, that's really hardcore :) |
| 00:59:07 | amiconn | Nah, only 2 levels |
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| 00:59:17 | preglow | ok, run dosbox in wine again |
| 00:59:19 | preglow | and zsnes in that |
| 00:59:30 | amiconn | No, WinUAE under wine :) |
| 00:59:33 | preglow | haha |
| 00:59:49 | amiconn | ...and then again PC-Task in WinUEA |
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| 01:00:41 | Benacool | I have a little question, can I ask it there ? |
| 01:00:44 | preglow | sure |
| 01:00:47 | amiconn | or even Shapeshifter with MacOS 7.x |
| 01:00:47 | preglow | just ask |
| 01:00:53 | LinusN | amiconn: is there supposed to be a visual difference between backlight on and off in the sim? |
| 01:01:00 | amiconn | Not yet |
| 01:01:04 | LinusN | ah |
| 01:01:09 | amiconn | It just prints messages to the console |
| 01:01:18 | amiconn | ...but it's planned |
| 01:01:33 | amiconn | (win32 first, since it's way easier) |
| 01:01:33 | Benacool | When you copy the daily builds in my player is there a thing to do to backup the config ? |
| 01:01:41 | Benacool | When I* |
| 01:01:50 | Bagder | its not easier in win32 |
| 01:01:53 | amiconn | it is |
| 01:02:14 | Bagder | how? |
| 01:02:16 | amiconn | We have 2 separate backlights, but the x11 window shares colours between the 2 displays |
| 01:02:30 | amiconn | The win32 sim uses one display bitmap per simulated display |
| 01:02:35 | amiconn | Each has its own palette |
| 01:02:55 | LinusN | amiconn: i tried running the win32 sim in wine here, and the backlight went off after 17s |
| 01:03:06 | Bagder | well, 1 - you can make the x11 do that or 2 - make the x11 one use different palettes on the different areas |
| 01:03:08 | amiconn | If someone would adjust the x11 sim to use 2 separate window... |
| 01:03:13 | LinusN | and none of the numpad keys works :-( |
| 01:03:31 | markun | Benacool: yes, go to the menu and then "manage settings" I think |
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| 01:03:51 | amiconn | LinusN: Numpad works here |
| 01:04:04 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:04:48 | Benacool | ok thanks markun ^^ |
| 01:04:52 | lamed | hey all. congrats for h300 audio, linusn. (starting to feel a tiny-little bit of sorry to only have an h120). |
| 01:04:53 | amiconn | Bagder: Probably we need the split anyway, for using highcolour in one window and palette based drawing in the other |
| 01:05:09 | LinusN | amiconn: i can't press a-b |
| 01:05:14 | Bagder | most likely, yes |
| 01:05:14 | lamed | slasher / i? here? |
| 01:05:29 | Bagder | or have both use highcolour |
| 01:05:31 | XavierGr_ | lamed: you wanted me something yesterday? |
| 01:05:54 | amiconn | LinusN: Ooopsors, it seems the numpad mapping for that doesn't work |
| 01:06:02 | amiconn | You can use 'Ins' instead |
| 01:06:13 | Benacool | by the way what is the command (if they are one lol) to do the "markun: message" for exemple ? I don't use IRC very often lol |
| 01:06:14 | LinusN | ah |
| 01:06:31 | amiconn | Bagder: If both are highcolour, backlight simulation will be heavy... |
| 01:06:49 | markun | Benacool: just type it :) |
| 01:06:57 | XavierGr_ | later all. |
| 01:07:00 | Bagder | I wouldn't care if the simulation is "heavy" really |
| 01:07:03 | lamed | xaviergr: wait. |
| 01:07:05 | markun | Maybe you have auto completion with tab |
| 01:07:08 | Benacool | markun: ohh |
| 01:07:08 | amiconn | Bagder: My idea for backlight simulation is as follows: |
| 01:07:30 | amiconn | The b&w displays are readable without backlight, so backlight on/off will just change the palette |
| 01:07:56 | Benacool | markun: ok thanks ;-) |
| 01:08:00 | amiconn | The colour displays are pitch black without backlight, so the bitmap will shown/hidden accordingly |
| 01:08:18 | Bagder | amiconn: sounds fine to me |
| 01:08:29 | LinusN | amiconn: i used Ins to bring up the main menu, then i entered the general settings menu, and after that no buttons work anymore |
| 01:09:04 | amiconn | Strange... |
| 01:09:08 | amiconn | Works fine here |
| 01:09:17 | amiconn | (both cursor keys and numpad) |
| 01:09:18 | lamed | xaviergr: i've patched the usb cable without even cutting the power lines, just stripping them down and soldering a piece of line. now i get no sync at all (?!) but the player shows bootloader usb mode/charges with the cable. (no sync even when not charging). I guess you've got no idea so i just wanted to mention that. |
| 01:09:46 | LinusN | amiconn: try using "5" to enter the menu |
| 01:10:21 | lamed | xaviergr: got it? |
| 01:11:18 | amiconn | LinusN: Ooops... |
| 01:11:25 | LinusN | :-) |
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| 01:11:39 | amiconn | Space bar doubles as Numpad 5 and doesn't show this effect |
| 01:11:48 | LinusN | weird |
| 01:12:05 | amiconn | I don't use the numpad mappings often, because they're cumbersome on a laptop |
| 01:12:18 | * | amiconn checks under native windows |
| 01:13:00 | * | lamed wonders if he nags too much about his unchecked screen scroll patch. |
| 01:13:04 | amiconn | Hmm, this works |
| 01:13:29 | amiconn | Numpad decimal separator also works as A-B there |
| 01:13:38 | amiconn | So it's a wine problem... |
| 01:13:46 | amiconn | I wonder how wine does keymapping |
| 01:16:09 | lamed | linusn...? busy with h300 ? |
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| 01:18:23 | markun | lamed: he isn't |
| 01:18:38 | lamed | ? |
| 01:20:10 | preglow | fancy, the bootloader has locked up on 'result: 0' |
| 01:20:12 | markun | 00:48 < LinusN> Kyl3: working on non-rockbox stuff now |
| 01:20:52 | markun | preglow: what is 0 supposed to be? |
| 01:20:55 | preglow | ok, this looks promising |
| 01:20:59 | preglow | doesn't 0 mean 'success'? |
| 01:21:11 | lamed | what's all the wired stuff on the WWW cvs package... everything is old archos material. |
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| 01:23:10 | preglow | arghh, this is almost certainly something ipod port related |
| 01:23:15 | preglow | i should get a second tree for that |
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| 01:26:08 | preglow | yes it is... |
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| 01:35:05 | preglow | amiconn: commenting out the sleep loop in thread.c actually hung rockbox here |
| 01:37:04 | preglow | btw, what does the rockbox.iriver change detection base itself on? date? |
| 01:37:20 | preglow | size? |
| 01:38:48 | preglow | yes, size |
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| 01:40:41 | Wett | do you know if [IDC]Dragon still comes here sometimes ? |
| 01:41:19 | amiconn | preglow: size and startcluster |
| 01:42:18 | amiconn | Wett: Yes, but not often |
| 01:42:27 | preglow | amiconn: btw, do you know why rockbox would hang when the sleep loop is commented out? |
| 01:43:49 | Wett | does he have an email address ? A few month ago he said me he could modify his directshow filter to handle new size videos... |
| 01:44:08 | amiconn | preglow: I have no idea. Iiuc it shouldn't |
| 01:44:58 | amiconn | Wett: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/JoergHohensohn |
| 01:45:26 | preglow | amiconn: it does |
| 01:45:33 | preglow | amiconn: on h1x0, that is, not on ipod |
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| 01:47:26 | amiconn | Bagder: casting hell :/ |
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| 01:53:49 | Wett | ok, time to sleep. gn all |
| 01:54:07 | Wett | and thanks btw :) |
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| 01:59:11 | preglow | win32 sim sound isn't the greatest success i've ever seen |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:31 | preglow | it even flashes 'codec failure' |
| 02:03:10 | lamed | i've just updated the darn screen scroll patch. I most tell you guys, it's really unpleasant to go through all that effort and have everyone ignoring you. |
| 02:03:21 | lamed | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1360892&group_id=44306&atid=439120 |
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| 02:06:25 | pinkutank | hello |
| 02:06:35 | pinkutank | how are you people doing |
| 02:06:58 | preglow | lamed: you can't count on everyone cheering on you all the time. ultimately, you have to do this for yourself. if someone's interested in it, then you will get attention |
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| 02:14:31 | preglow | the windows sim seems really flakey |
| 02:17:21 | pinkutank | whatr did you do again lamed? |
| 02:17:32 | pinkutank | went about your patch? |
| 02:17:42 | pinkutank | btw, hoes audio on h300 coming along? |
| 02:18:08 | lamed | preglow: you don't understand. i simply want it to be reviewed and talked. I think it's a great idea so i've made it. but it's totally pointless to keep updating if no dev acctually tries it! |
| 02:18:45 | LinusN | lamed: i am busy with work, and with the h300 port |
| 02:18:46 | lamed | hey pinkutank. i was just mentioning my patch again. :/ |
| 02:18:59 | preglow | lamed: you aren't exactly alone in this |
| 02:19:16 | preglow | a lot of patches never makes it into cvs |
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| 02:20:00 | preglow | and in a related note |
| 02:20:07 | preglow | the patch tracker needs to be cleaned up |
| 02:20:13 | LinusN | absolutely |
| 02:20:52 | preglow | any general guidelines of what should go? can i just delete patches that are several years old? |
| 02:20:55 | preglow | i sincerely doubt they'll apply |
| 02:21:05 | lamed | linusn: I was sure of that, and told you before, way the go for your work. preglow: I know. anyhow it's a good idea and i'm just not sure if it's made up the best way. i know for sure it's very usefull for me. (just like pageup/down, that some users use and some never come across it) |
| 02:21:58 | lamed | preglow: i'm going through the tracker every now and then. most stuff are just plain OLD, or already in the source... so it's not such a major deal. |
| 02:22:12 | preglow | lamed: i'm not really into this part of rockbox, but to me it just seems like an awful lot of code for a small feature |
| 02:23:02 | preglow | i can see the need for this feature, i've just never bumped into it myself |
| 02:23:42 | preglow | damn, i'd completely forgotten about my patch |
| 02:24:00 | preglow | perhaps it's time to blow the dust off it again |
| 02:25:05 | preglow | lamed: and i'd really, really like it if this didn't introduce any new settings |
| 02:25:12 | XavierGr_ | well I made a battery benchmark plugin, works like a charm but I didn't got a single review or comment for it. I guess I will have to live with it. It is just that sometimes I feel that all my (little) work is in vain, if noone actually is going to use them. I guess I will have to live with it. |
| 02:25:16 | preglow | we can't keep adding settings for every new feature |
| 02:25:20 | preglow | it's already grown too big |
| 02:25:28 | lamed | but the new wps functions caused a big upload hit... preglow: for now it's the _only_ part i'm into rockbox... and i know it seems like lots of code, but i had to make a new driver function ( _offset functions) so it had to be added to the screen_access list as well... other then that it's just the new options in scroll menu and some little code in list.c that calculates where to put the line. |
| 02:25:38 | lamed | preglow: why? |
| 02:25:47 | XavierGr_ | lamed: sorry but I guess that you've run out of options about the USB/sync cable. |
| 02:25:50 | preglow | lamed: like i said, we've already got a zillion options, and it's starting to become too muc |
| 02:25:53 | preglow | h |
| 02:26:18 | preglow | lamed: why does this need an enable option, btw? i thought it had a special key bound to it anyway |
| 02:26:27 | lamed | preglow: it's in the scroll menu. there are only about 4 items there. it's pretty convinient place to set those options. |
| 02:27:05 | preglow | oh well |
| 02:27:10 | preglow | i might try it out tomorrow |
| 02:27:17 | lamed | preglow: you can set it to scroll the lines out of view (-helps to keep things in the same order) and the other option is to set screen scroll step size. |
| 02:27:19 | preglow | right now i need to finish this codec stuff before i go to bed |
| 02:27:25 | LinusN | i think it's a neat patch |
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| 02:27:49 | preglow | lamed: annoy me tomorrow and i'll see what i can do |
| 02:27:58 | lamed | I'll be so glad :) |
| 02:28:14 | preglow | LinusN: what do you think about the added settings? |
| 02:28:14 | XavierGr_ | ha pestering did the work in the end :) |
| 02:28:28 | preglow | i guess it being in the scroll menu is a valid point |
| 02:28:36 | lamed | linus told me i've got to keep pestering... |
| 02:28:42 | preglow | of course you do |
| 02:28:55 | LinusN | i think the "scrolls out of view" setting seems unnecessary |
| 02:29:03 | preglow | me too |
| 02:29:04 | lamed | noo... let me explain |
| 02:29:39 | lamed | take a long artist name folder, like : "elvis prestly - <song name> " |
| 02:29:49 | pinkutank | LinusN hows the port going |
| 02:30:25 | LinusN | pinkutank: i can play music, but the h300 can't run reliably at full cpu frequency |
| 02:30:26 | lamed | if you use "screen scroll out of view" set to yes, then if you'll scroll artist name out of view, you can see only " - <song name> " nicely arranged. |
| 02:30:34 | lamed | if you would set the option back to no, |
| 02:31:35 | pinkutank | LinusN: wish I could help somehow, but I don't know any programming. |
| 02:31:56 | lamed | the longer lines would be displayd correctly like "-<song name>", but the shorter song names would be displayd "vis prestly - song" which would cause things to look in a bad mannar. |
| 02:32:04 | pinkutank | i decided to stay with my h120 for a while, I painted it, it will have a silicone case next week, maybe a better battery in a month |
| 02:32:11 | pinkutank | I dont like the screen of the 300 |
| 02:32:22 | pinkutank | wish it was like the ipod nanos |
| 02:32:27 | LinusN | lamed: so why would you set it to "no"? |
| 02:33:00 | pinkutank | if you dont like your screen going away |
| 02:33:08 | lamed | because if you use it on scatterd files, with sometimes long sometimes short names, you wouldn't want to see blank lines! |
| 02:33:19 | LinusN | pinkutank: i don't like the h300 either |
| 02:33:45 | pinkutank | I hope someone comes up with a decent player soon |
| 02:34:02 | lamed | (and for now, the lines won't scroll into view if they are scrolled off the view. that's because of a problem with the scroll_thread) |
| 02:34:28 | pinkutank | hows x5? , similar screen to h300?_ |
| 02:34:33 | DreamTactix291 | i like the H100 more than teh H300 |
| 02:34:39 | DreamTactix291 | X5 has inferior screen to the H300 |
| 02:34:39 | LinusN | pinkutank: i don't know |
| 02:34:42 | DreamTactix291 | but better overall design |
| 02:35:14 | pinkutank | oh lol than no x5 for me either |
| 02:35:23 | DreamTactix291 | i like my H140 |
| 02:35:24 | lamed | if you'll use it both on album folders and on scatterd files you'll see the diffrance. linus - was i clear enough? |
| 02:35:26 | pinkutank | wish ipod video had fm and decent recording |
| 02:35:29 | DreamTactix291 | colour LCDs are overrated for audio players |
| 02:35:36 | LinusN | DreamTactix291: inferior? how? |
| 02:35:45 | DreamTactix291 | LinusN: lower resolution |
| 02:35:47 | pinkutank | its pixelated |
| 02:35:49 | DreamTactix291 | same as the H100 AFAIK |
| 02:35:54 | DreamTactix291 | 160x128 |
| 02:35:56 | LinusN | lamed: not entirely clear, i guess i'll have to try it |
| 02:36:05 | DreamTactix291 | H300 is 220x176 |
| 02:36:24 | pinkutank | see the ipod 5th gen, it has a really nice screen |
| 02:36:29 | * | LinusN has ordered an x5 |
| 02:36:35 | pinkutank | if you seen a nano, think that, much bigger |
| 02:36:40 | pinkutank | oh gosh |
| 02:36:50 | DreamTactix291 | i'm not big on the the ipods |
| 02:36:51 | pinkutank | linus you gonna port? |
| 02:36:55 | DreamTactix291 | nice screen or not |
| 02:36:59 | LinusN | pinkutank: hopefully |
| 02:37:03 | pinkutank | why dream? |
| 02:37:18 | DreamTactix291 | cheap looking design and touch navigation |
| 02:37:30 | DreamTactix291 | personal opinion though |
| 02:37:34 | pinkutank | I think the blacks dont look cheap |
| 02:37:50 | DreamTactix291 | they still scratch easily |
| 02:37:52 | pinkutank | but the last4th gens I looked at had dflimsy looking wheels |
| 02:38:01 | lamed | Well i'll just go back on hassling everyone about it the next time i'll manage to get some intenet access... probably tommrow. |
| 02:38:06 | pinkutank | yes they scrath |
| 02:38:20 | DreamTactix291 | my H140 is still in pristine shape |
| 02:38:22 | lamed | pinkutank: i want to see your design. |
| 02:38:28 | pinkutank | wps? |
| 02:38:57 | pinkutank | http://www.anthrodium.com/rb/dump_0001.bmp |
| 02:39:00 | pinkutank | http://www.anthrodium.com/rb/dump_0002.bmp |
| 02:39:03 | pinkutank | not finished yet |
| 02:39:12 | pinkutank | i'll change the rating handler |
| 02:39:27 | pinkutank | implement play/pause etc thing |
| 02:39:29 | pinkutank | and codec |
| 02:39:36 | pinkutank | probably otmorrow or saturday |
| 02:39:43 | LinusN | pinkutank: looks good |
| 02:39:53 | DreamTactix291 | i like |
| 02:39:54 | pinkutank | that genre line cycles |
| 02:40:07 | pinkutank | genre/year/ hz bitrate |
| 02:40:16 | lamed | pinkutank: looks like someting i might use... but i was talking about the player. |
| 02:40:29 | DreamTactix291 | i keep my WPS super basic |
| 02:40:50 | lamed | pinkutank: it seems like it's a very small font isn't it? |
| 02:41:04 | preglow | LinusN: what? your next project? |
| 02:41:11 | pinkutank | and that 3 triangels is actually saying no shuffle no repeat, but I'll change it a bit, seems bit bulky like this |
| 02:41:19 | pinkutank | its an 8 pixel font |
| 02:41:33 | lamed | preglow: are you going through the tracker now? |
| 02:41:33 | pinkutank | I'll modify it for bigger ones if you like it big |
| 02:41:43 | preglow | LinusN: i was wondering what you were going to turn to next ;) |
| 02:41:45 | LinusN | lamed: another idea for the file browser: strip the first part of the file if it's the same for all files |
| 02:41:50 | preglow | lamed: not really, how? |
| 02:41:53 | pinkutank | what do oyu mean my design the player? the painted h120 you want? |
| 02:41:58 | lamed | pink: i just think that the middle line would be too small for a bigger font. |
| 02:42:45 | pinkutank | than I'll change it for the bigger version, its no problem releasing 2 |
| 02:43:15 | pinkutank | is there a way to create aniamted bmps? |
| 02:43:23 | LinusN | preglow: yeah, x5 seems like a nice player |
| 02:43:23 | pinkutank | I tried them with alternating lines but didnt work |
| 02:43:34 | DreamTactix291 | i like the X5 almost as much as the H100s |
| 02:43:38 | preglow | LinusN: i actually agree. have you gotten the bdm back from ac yet? |
| 02:43:38 | DreamTactix291 | only thing i'd miss is optical |
| 02:43:51 | LinusN | we won't get it |
| 02:43:57 | preglow | excellent |
| 02:44:02 | lamed | linusn: yeah, i remember that idea too from somewhere in the wiki. i think it would be better if the screen_scroll pixel setting might be saved in the dir cache. that way you could save the offset position of every folder. |
| 02:44:08 | LinusN | he'll return the money instead |
| 02:44:17 | preglow | ahh |
| 02:44:20 | preglow | in which case all is well |
| 02:44:28 | LinusN | i guess |
| 02:44:30 | preglow | he broke it or what? ;) |
| 02:44:45 | LinusN | i just can't see what he's going to to with the bdm |
| 02:44:49 | lamed | pinkutank: i'm sooo out of the wps area. isn't there are ways to make any font align itself by it's size? |
| 02:45:01 | preglow | god known, intense sessions of fun, problably |
| 02:45:06 | pinkutank | align to what |
| 02:45:14 | LinusN | preglow: probably :-) |
| 02:45:39 | lamed | preglow: i'm just binding both select and mode keys to toggle controls in star game plugin... didn't wanted that to be missed. |
| 02:45:44 | pinkutank | if there is a way to implement aniamted bmps in wps, I'd like to use it for charging, I've never seen a wps do it before |
| 02:46:19 | preglow | think i'll delete the 'press and hold on button for hold' patch, old and not very useful |
| 02:46:21 | pinkutank | btw, who was the sokoban noob here |
| 02:46:22 | lamed | (preglow: there's already a pretty good star game fix that makes it much bigger and more comfortable on the hX00) |
| 02:47:28 | pinkutank | someone kept saying cant go past lvl 3 on sokoban |
| 02:49:08 | XavierGr_ | how much a bdm costs? |
| 02:49:31 | LinusN | roughly $150 |
| 02:49:44 | lamed | pinkutank... lol.. |
| 02:50:09 | * | lamed wonders if xaviergr player's bricked. |
| 02:50:20 | XavierGr_ | that's not so much. If only I had the knowledge I would gladly give this much for it. |
| 02:50:44 | Kyl3 | level 3 was hard |
| 02:50:46 | lamed | xaviergr: are you programming on the simulator or not at all..? |
| 02:50:48 | XavierGr_ | no just wondering if I could ever help on porting something, (after a lot of studying first though) |
| 02:51:02 | Kyl3 | my player has like 3 things wrong with it i have to RMA it |
| 02:51:14 | pinkutank | lol kyl3 was that you, the sokoban fool? |
| 02:51:19 | XavierGr_ | what do you mean on the simulator? I program both for the simulator or the target. |
| 02:51:22 | Kyl3 | no |
| 02:51:26 | Kyl3 | but 3 was hard |
| 02:51:27 | Kyl3 | lol |
| 02:51:29 | pinkutank | haah |
| 02:51:35 | pinkutank | try 10 |
| 02:51:48 | Kyl3 | i will when I get my h340 back |
| 02:52:06 | pinkutank | hmm |
| 02:52:12 | XavierGr_ | Now that I mentioned it I have a very old NAPA 128 MB flash player. |
| 02:52:12 | pinkutank | whats there to port |
| 02:52:13 | XavierGr_ | It sucked big time |
| 02:52:19 | pinkutank | there is h10 |
| 02:52:28 | XavierGr_ | but I guess it is perfect for a guinea pig! |
| 02:52:46 | pinkutank | lol youre going to port to a napa |
| 02:52:54 | XavierGr_ | haha |
| 02:52:54 | pinkutank | I'm oging to sleep |
| 02:52:57 | XavierGr_ | imagining it |
| 02:53:03 | XavierGr_ | bye |
| 02:53:21 | pinkutank | I was planning sleeping at 1 am +- 3 |
| 02:53:29 | pinkutank | 6 minutes later, I'll miss it |
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| 02:53:51 | XavierGr_ | preglow, as the DAC guy here what is best on recording from line-in: 1) Gain from rockbox or 2) gain from a pre-amp? |
| 02:54:05 | lamed | xaviergr: what do you mean "or the target", you compile a code, copy it and see if it works? -you can't get real gdb else, right? no serial port gdb mentioned on the wiki. max thing you can do it "catch mem", righet? |
| 02:54:11 | preglow | XavierGr_: i'd say preamp, if it's good quality |
| 02:54:29 | preglow | lamed: h1x0 has got a serial port |
| 02:54:36 | preglow | lamed: no one's bothered to write a gdb driver yet |
| 02:54:36 | Kyl3 | Oh and a suggestion for Rockbox |
| 02:54:50 | preglow | lamed: plus, you'd need some small additional hardware |
| 02:54:51 | XavierGr_ | it's an 100euros 6 channel mixer |
| 02:55:02 | preglow | XavierGr_: well, i'd say go for that anyway |
| 02:55:07 | Kyl3 | will Rockbox get rid of the 9999 file/2000 folder/200Mb/2hr record celings? |
| 02:55:16 | DreamTactix291 | yes |
| 02:55:24 | preglow | XavierGr_: i don't think the iriver preamp is anything you'll want furhter aquaintance with |
| 02:55:41 | Kyl3 | thank god... i hit it everytime i record classes |
| 02:55:43 | lamed | preglow: that's what i ment. so the only way i could get to be more serious about rb is with a gdb wiggler. no other ways? |
| 02:55:44 | XavierGr_ | lamed I meant that I program on the sim if it is applicable else I test the code right on target. Did you meant if I code the player from a bdm? od course not. |
| 02:56:15 | preglow | lamed: more serious? you can code perfectly well with no hardware debugging aid |
| 02:56:19 | Kyl3 | and with the hd spindown feature, there will be no more HD spinups every 2 mins |
| 02:56:33 | XavierGr_ | yes |
| 02:56:33 | preglow | i have neither bdm nor serial port connection |
| 02:56:58 | XavierGr_ | actually you can code very well even if you don't have a DAP :p |
| 02:57:01 | lamed | xaviergr: yeah that's what i've thought. how did you studied more about the hardware? |
| 02:57:13 | preglow | lamed: for the code you write, debugging in the sim will do very well |
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| 02:57:32 | preglow | it's worse for us poor sods that work on code that needs hardware specific features :/ |
| 02:57:37 | XavierGr_ | what hardware? I just told you that I don't use a bdm or anything hardware related. |
| 02:58:11 | XavierGr_ | preglow I gusee then that you write low-level test programs to see how the hardware responds? |
| 02:58:29 | lamed | preglow: that's how i made the screen scroll patch / fast inc/dec sound settings patch / star game fix patch. but i was wondering, how do all the (serious?) programmers know what to do? i mean... they wrote the sim. |
| 02:58:31 | pinkutank | I couldnt sleep |
| 02:58:41 | pinkutank | I just remembered something |
| 02:58:48 | pinkutank | you guys have to port for the gmini 402 |
| 02:58:55 | pinkutank | it has POTENTial |
| 02:59:00 | preglow | XavierGr_: wish i was that clever |
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| 02:59:18 | XavierGr_ | pinkutank: Did you actually tried to sleep? :p you came back after 5 minutes, how on earth could you have slept on such short interval? |
| 02:59:52 | preglow | but yeah, i have done test programs |
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| 03:00:02 | lamed | preglow: so what kind of patches do you acctually do? (i've figured what xaviergr said about low level test progs) |
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| 03:00:20 | preglow | lamed: i do codec and dsp stuff, plus the ipod port |
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| 03:00:31 | pinkutank | I meant i couldnbt go to sleep when I thought of rockbox on gmini 402 |
| 03:00:49 | DreamTactix291 | that would be pretty cool |
| 03:00:51 | preglow | pinkutank: then i recommend you get one and start working, no one else seems to be planning it |
| 03:00:52 | pinkutank | It even has video output to tvs playing divx |
| 03:00:54 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 03:01:06 | DreamTactix291 | my PMP-120 does that too but it's ridiculously picky about files |
| 03:01:10 | DreamTactix291 | :( |
| 03:01:48 | lamed | preglow: ahhh.. you could do that on your comupter..? don't you need to know the hardware for that? all written in C on the sim and just works on the player? |
| 03:01:54 | pinkutank | if< pinkutank< programming:1 buy gmini 402 and try> |
| 03:01:58 | XavierGr | preglow: excuse me, you said that every pre-amp must be better that iriver pre-amplification? |
| 03:02:17 | preglow | lamed: that's what i said, i need to use the hardware, it's a lot of assembler from time to time |
| 03:02:36 | pinkutank | it decodes divx realtime : good cpu |
| 03:02:39 | pinkutank | 2.2" screen |
| 03:02:44 | pinkutank | small as an Ipod |
| 03:02:47 | XavierGr | pulling up and lowering signals man must be a real pain. |
| 03:02:52 | preglow | XavierGr: not _every_, but most, i guess |
| 03:03:04 | pinkutank | can be had for 200$ |
| 03:03:12 | DreamTactix291 | by divx i'm assuming you mean MPEG-4 ASP |
| 03:03:25 | pinkutank | no |
| 03:03:28 | preglow | is there any other kind of divx? |
| 03:03:42 | DreamTactix291 | divx 4.0 and after as MPEG-4 ASP encoders |
| 03:03:44 | pinkutank | ermm |
| 03:03:47 | pinkutank | mpeg 4 sp |
| 03:03:47 | DreamTactix291 | as is 3ivx, XviD, etc |
| 03:03:50 | pinkutank | not asp |
| 03:03:50 | XavierGr | I just blowed my ears trying to set a good settings with the preamp, now they ring like hell. I should have lower all signals before putting the earphones in my ears! :x |
| 03:03:51 | pinkutank | :D |
| 03:03:59 | DreamTactix291 | SP isn't common at all |
| 03:04:05 | pinkutank | ? |
| 03:04:06 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 03:04:13 | pinkutank | Xvid and Divx is sp |
| 03:04:13 | preglow | XavierGr: consider it a lesson learnt |
| 03:04:17 | DreamTactix291 | no |
| 03:04:20 | DreamTactix291 | they are ASP :) |
| 03:04:27 | pinkutank | oh |
| 03:04:30 | DreamTactix291 | advanced simple profile |
| 03:04:32 | pinkutank | then I'm stupid |
| 03:04:36 | DreamTactix291 | nah |
| 03:04:38 | pinkutank | ok its asp |
| 03:04:40 | XavierGr | preglow any exprerience with preamps before? |
| 03:04:43 | DreamTactix291 | i just know audio and video codecs :P |
| 03:04:45 | preglow | XavierGr: very little |
| 03:04:50 | DreamTactix291 | but not enough to program :( |
| 03:04:55 | pinkutank | it even has a game gear emulator |
| 03:04:58 | pinkutank | :) |
| 03:05:13 | DreamTactix291 | would be useful if i played video games |
| 03:05:22 | DreamTactix291 | but i gave them up years ago lol |
| 03:05:32 | pinkutank | should i say even good without rockbox? hmm no that would be blaspheomus |
| 03:05:32 | XavierGr | It seems that I cant really get better quality compared to the iriver itself. I must try harder. |
| 03:05:48 | lamed | preglow. a question. the original iriver fw could inc/decrease audio speed. that means somewhere in the hardware it's possible. do you know your way, say to this place, to make it work? (just trying to understand the relation between your work and why _do_ you need a remote gdb at all) |
| 03:06:12 | preglow | lamed: i could have playback speed adjustment working in half an hour, but the internals of rockbox makes it a bit difficult |
| 03:06:33 | preglow | without doing a Nasty Hack, that is |
| 03:06:33 | XavierGr | preglow: also I was wrong about the mic setting in the iriver fw. Rockbox is way better on this too. I just didn't know that there are 2 "Gain" options in rb. |
| 03:07:14 | preglow | lamed: i _don't_ need a remote gdb |
| 03:07:30 | preglow | i'd like one, but i don't need one |
| 03:07:59 | XavierGr | now that I mention it: why are there 2 gain options in recording? ADC l/r and the one in recording screen? |
| 03:07:59 | preglow | right now i'd sure as hell love one, i love these elusive crashes |
| 03:08:02 | lamed | wow. could you guid me to where and what should i read about that kind of work? (will i get a plain "go through the source" respod) |
| 03:08:19 | preglow | lamed: you mean about codec and audio coding? |
| 03:10:07 | lamed | hmm, seems rather huge subject isn't it? right now i've wanted to be able to make a "line in open" option, so i could wier a discman through my player and to an amp, not to loose voltage when Y splitting an entrence. |
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| 03:10:41 | preglow | lamed: you need a good background in maths, for one |
| 03:11:07 | preglow | i just picked up digital signal processing by myself over a number of years after becoming interested in synthesizers |
| 03:11:53 | preglow | lamed: you mean a passthrough option? that's not hard |
| 03:12:06 | preglow | i believe rockbox already does that |
| 03:12:35 | preglow | in recording mode, that is |
| 03:13:22 | lamed | yes, but i mean when you want to mix something with your player audio. |
| 03:13:48 | preglow | mix the cd audio with sound from the h1x0? |
| 03:15:12 | lamed | right. if i'll Y split an auxilury jack, i'll get about 75 perecent of the volume. - from what i know, this is because of voltage drawn from every source. |
| 03:15:31 | preglow | depends on the equipment |
| 03:15:51 | lamed | h120 |
| 03:16:10 | pinkutank | btw , gmini 400 are already broken in http://gmini400.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=69&board=7.0 |
| 03:18:58 | preglow | one happy day in the future, i'll make my Super Duper iRiver Digital Effects Box Project |
| 03:19:27 | preglow | wonder how i'll integrate that into the rest of rockbox, heh |
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| 03:24:30 | lamed | preglow: if only i had the knowladge... i was thinking of something that could seriously mix tracks (proffesionally?) but for that i have to get two sources out of the box: one for the phones and the other for an amp... there's no way to do that on the phones/lineout jack right? the only diffrance between them is the preamp? |
| 03:25:52 | preglow | the only difference is that the headphones has a headphone amplifier |
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| 03:26:10 | preglow | the line out only has a simple buffer |
| 03:26:26 | preglow | lamed: knowledge can be acquired, just start reading and coding |
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| 03:29:21 | lamed | of course it can be... but i'm only coding in c for the last couple of month, after not programming for several years. I'll be glad to know how to make a line in/out kind of patch though. don't forget tommorw i'll pest you again about my screen scroll patch :) |
| 03:29:36 | preglow | sure |
| 03:29:45 | preglow | but that'll be tomorrow, now: sleep |
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| 03:29:56 | lamed | btw. pgup/down isn't functioning like it should. are you aware of that? |
| 03:32:08 | lamed | preglow. last question. say i spot something like all the small problems with how filelist and playlist are now scrolling since list.c widget. should i make a patch that resolves the problem? |
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| 03:41:00 | lamed | Gnight |
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| 04:03:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just a very minor thing, the Bejeweled pluging runs a significant amount slower now, it seems. I'm not sure when this change occured. Hardly anything important, but just a note. |
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| 04:27:21 | fingersoup | Anyone know of issues with Rockbox and file transfer on Linux using IRiver? |
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| 04:38:15 | DMJC | just mount /dev/sd* mountpoint |
| 04:38:26 | DMJC | usually sda1 |
| 04:38:30 | DMJC | or sda |
| 04:39:39 | ashridah | well, he's not here, but since they sitll haven't worked around the need to reset the device whenever it returns a broken usb packet |
| 04:39:40 | ashridah | ... |
| 04:39:48 | ashridah | it's just not rockbox specific |
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| 04:48:03 | Jungti1234 | hi |
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| 04:48:56 | DMJC | Looking back, no one ever saw the amount of memory on a graphics card equaling or surpassing the total amount of system memory, certainly not hitting 1 GB when in SLI configuration! |
| 04:49:05 | DMJC | one problem with this statement: I did |
| 04:49:15 | DMJC | in fact i've been waiting for it |
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| 04:49:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | I had a 32mb video card in a 32mb system once |
| 04:50:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think many people saw it coming. |
| 04:50:01 | DMJC | I've been wanting a 1gb gfx card for a while now |
| 04:50:18 | DMJC | I want to see entire planets rendered in realtime |
| 04:50:21 | DMJC | in a game |
| 04:50:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | 'eh |
| 04:50:31 | DMJC | and that takes 1gb of gfx ram to do properly |
| 04:50:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | That doesn't take 1gb of GFX memory |
| 04:50:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can stream the textures from the HD |
| 04:50:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | And that's what a good deal of it is used for. |
| 04:51:56 | DMJC | you trying to render a planet or a solar system |
| 04:52:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | You said planet. |
| 04:52:08 | DMJC | and how much detail etc are you going for? |
| 04:52:10 | DMJC | k |
| 04:52:13 | DMJC | heh |
| 04:52:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Besides, are you talking about seeing it all at once? |
| 04:52:19 | DMJC | (planet/solar system in my case) |
| 04:52:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | And are you talking about the planet having proportional scale, or what? |
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| 04:52:52 | DMJC | planets having real scale |
| 04:52:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, at the scale that a planet appears round, you can make up the surface detail with good application of bump mapping |
| 04:52:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or better yet, pixel shaders. |
| 04:53:17 | DMJC | talking about being able to go from space |
| 04:53:26 | DMJC | to 1 metre above the surface |
| 04:53:31 | DMJC | and running around |
| 04:53:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, but as you zoom the rendering field is clipped, and detail can then be loaded from disk realtime as you zoom in. |
| 04:53:44 | DMJC | with trees |
| 04:53:49 | DMJC | and objects etc |
| 04:54:10 | DMJC | oh and the game has to track the entire solar system in realtime |
| 04:54:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | With a good HD access speed, and a decent processor, you could *easily* pull that off respectably on a 256 MB Geforce 5 series |
| 04:54:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or ATI 9XXX series |
| 04:54:25 | DMJC | cool |
| 04:54:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Tracking it is easy |
| 04:54:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Since you don't *see* the solar system, all you're tracking is points. |
| 04:54:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | You don't have to calculate all the triangles offscreen, there's absolutely no benefit in that |
| 04:54:52 | DMJC | obviously |
| 04:54:58 | DMJC | isn't that what backface culling does? |
| 04:55:09 | DMJC | cuts out what's not going to be visible |
| 04:55:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Pretty much. |
| 04:55:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | But really, they don't optimize as much as they used to these days. |
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| 04:56:22 | DMJC | ever played vegastrike |
| 04:56:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Indeed |
| 04:56:28 | DMJC | or the privateer remake? |
| 04:56:29 | DMJC | yeah |
| 04:56:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I can't say "played" vegas strike |
| 04:56:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | I didn't enjoy the controls |
| 04:56:38 | DMJC | I know the head dev, that's bascially what we want |
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| 04:57:03 | DMJC | I prefer the gemini gold remake myself |
| 04:57:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah, so a realtime tracked solar system, in which the player is free to hop from planet to planet involving himself as he likes? |
| 04:57:23 | DMJC | yeah |
| 04:57:36 | DMJC | and then being able to jump into other solar systems... |
| 04:57:54 | DMJC | most of the VS ideas are from Wing Commander |
| 04:58:07 | DMJC | hence the name Vega Strike... WC1 was set in Vega sector |
| 04:58:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Indeed |
| 04:58:30 | DMJC | was originally going to be a privateer mod till some OSS guys thought they'd get sued |
| 04:58:41 | DMJC | hence the now 3? projects |
| 04:58:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah. EA has the rights to Privateer, no? Which makes it dangerous. |
| 04:58:59 | DMJC | http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20051114/nvidia_geforce_7800_gtx_512-04.html - geez that card is huge |
| 04:59:04 | DMJC | yeah EA has the rights |
| 04:59:16 | DMJC | doubt they'll do anything tho.. they know the project exists |
| 04:59:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah. |
| 04:59:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, they may be waiting to sue until there's money to get from it. |
| 04:59:35 | DMJC | we've contacted people within Origin when it still existed |
| 04:59:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, but Origin was a lot nicer. |
| 04:59:57 | DMJC | heh money from an OSS project... hehehe |
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| 05:00:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or at least, until there's enough work done that they can sue for all the work, and then use it for their own purposes? Free programming |
| 05:00:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | I already hear they pay their employees little enough |
| 05:00:34 | DMJC | the code they couldn't get |
| 05:00:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | I miss Origin. |
| 05:00:36 | DMJC | the artwork sure |
| 05:00:39 | DMJC | yeah |
| 05:00:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Richard Garriot lives somewhere around here. |
| 05:00:46 | DMJC | Origin did some sweet stuff |
| 05:01:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 05:01:07 | DMJC | Some of the original WC2/Priv artwork got leaked from them.. |
| 05:01:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | I actually liked WC: Armada quite a lot |
| 05:01:21 | DMJC | bout 20,000-40,000 polys per model |
| 05:01:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Wow |
| 05:01:30 | DMJC | we don't use the ships in the game out of respect |
| 05:01:51 | DMJC | most of the detail is wasted on curves heh |
| 05:01:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Of course |
| 05:02:02 | DMJC | all the armada ships got leaked afaik |
| 05:02:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Back when you had to defined them point by point. |
| 05:02:24 | hshah | wow - your convo has literally filled my whole screen - time to spoil it :p |
| 05:02:26 | DMJC | I think they used autocad |
| 05:02:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 05:02:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | 'alo Hshah |
| 05:02:47 | DMJC | http://www.wcnews.com/articles/art32.shtml |
| 05:02:50 | hshah | hello Paul_The_Nerd |
| 05:02:55 | hshah | and hello DMJC |
| 05:03:02 | DMJC | hello hshah |
| 05:03:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | I wish I could remember which ship I always mass produced... |
| 05:03:47 | DMJC | arrow? banshee? gladius? |
| 05:03:54 | DMJC | human or kilrathi? |
| 05:04:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Human |
| 05:04:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | It was the medium one |
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| 05:04:09 | hshah | bansee |
| 05:04:12 | DMJC | wraith? |
| 05:04:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 05:04:12 | hshah | *banshee |
| 05:04:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think Wraith |
| 05:04:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not sure |
| 05:04:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's been forever |
| 05:04:23 | hshah | wraith - stargate atlantis |
| 05:04:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | It doesn't like my XP based systems, no matter what I've tried. |
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| 05:07:19 | lamed | I'm always panicing before iriver firmware upgrades.... arghhhhasdfgaerdf |
| 05:07:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why? |
| 05:07:50 | lamed | "DO NOT TOUCH DURING FIRMWARE UPGRADE" so scarry... |
| 05:07:56 | lamed | i've bricked two players that way... |
| 05:08:05 | lamed | and it takes time until shutting down... |
| 05:08:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | With iRiver official upgrades?! |
| 05:08:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | What type of players? |
| 05:08:30 | lamed | that's it. shut down. h120 with fwpatcher v6. should i press the on button? i'm so scared... |
| 05:08:34 | lamed | i'm pressing. |
| 05:08:44 | lamed | yey! works. |
| 05:09:02 | lamed | Geee.... hate that. |
| 05:09:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 05:09:44 | lamed | well, it looks the same ... nice to know i'm updated though. |
| 05:10:28 | lamed | all calm and relaxed now. |
| 05:11:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 05:13:16 | Benacool | lamed: it's the same thing for me so your not alone lol |
| 05:17:23 | lamed | good to know... but did it took you two month every time to get your player from repairs..? |
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| 05:20:11 | Benacool | I never had to get it repaired lol |
| 05:20:20 | Benacool | doh ... |
| 05:20:37 | Benacool | too late lol |
| 05:22:27 | mofoGX | i bricked an ipod shuffle once |
| 05:23:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | How? |
| 05:25:09 | mofoGX | nah i didn't |
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| 05:26:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | I never really understood the appeal of the shuffle. |
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| 05:26:33 | mofoGX | i don't either, but i see so many people with on |
| 05:26:35 | mofoGX | one |
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| 05:26:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | People are iPod crazy |
| 05:27:01 | mofoGX | ane they believe that the shuffle is the ONLY mp3 player for $100 |
| 05:27:13 | mofoGX | and the first of its kind |
| 05:27:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 05:27:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | A lot of them do |
| 05:27:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | I like the mobiblu cube, if I was looking for something small |
| 05:27:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nice looking screen, $130 for 1gb, and less than an inch to a side. |
| 05:27:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | And rechargeable battery |
| 05:27:58 | mofoGX | me, i have a rio forge |
| 05:28:07 | mofoGX | with a 2.0GB sd card |
| 05:28:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I don't have a flash player at the moment |
| 05:28:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm thinking of the Nano though. It kinda appeals to me, with the relatively nice screen, and the future Rockbox support |
| 05:28:32 | mofoGX | yeah |
| 05:28:46 | mofoGX | i would get an ipod if it had rockbox |
| 05:29:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | I wouldn't get a normal iPod, but the Nano doesn't really have comparable flash players right now |
| 05:29:15 | mofoGX | maybe the rb firmware would support decent uses of the dock connector |
| 05:30:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Who knows |
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| 05:42:26 | Acoc | hey guys, I was wondering what the component named "Archos 5V Card HD v1.1" did |
| 05:43:26 | Acoc | every time I take the whole thing apart, the dumb power wires keep falling off |
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| 05:49:38 | Acoc | By the way, has only used an adapter to turn the ide port into a compact flash drive port |
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| 05:57:54 | AnInternetUser | when is rock box out??? |
| 05:58:30 | CheeseBurgerMan | Topic is 'Seriously, we DO NOT estimate release dates. You'll find out when it happens.' |
| 05:59:35 | AnInternetUser | so when is it estimated |
| 05:59:45 | CheeseBurgerMan | Dude, look at the topic |
| 05:59:54 | CheeseBurgerMan | It's ready when it's ready |
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| 06:00:02 | AnInternetUser | god no1 can see e-sarcasm |
| 06:00:18 | CheeseBurgerMan | It doesn't convey very well... ;) |
| 06:00:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Especially considering how many people *seriously* ask it |
| 06:00:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Often |
| 06:00:55 | AnInternetUser | oh the title kinda gives it away i would think |
| 06:01:00 | AnInternetUser | maybe everyone just doesnt read |
| 06:01:09 | CheeseBurgerMan | I read. |
| 06:01:21 | CheeseBurgerMan | I saw someone come in and ask when it would be released. |
| 06:01:40 | * | Paul_The_Nerd shrugs |
| 06:01:56 | * | CheeseBurgerMan does as well. |
| 06:02:12 | AnInternetUser | actually isnt already out for most players? |
| 06:02:34 | CheeseBurgerMan | What do you mean by "most" players? |
| 06:02:41 | CheeseBurgerMan | Most DAPs out there, no. ;) |
| 06:03:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's "out" for several Archos players |
| 06:03:05 | AnInternetUser | like the ones it is supposed to work for |
| 06:03:12 | AnInternetUser | archos and iriver h1xx |
| 06:03:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's... well on its way for the H100 series of iRivers |
| 06:03:34 | AnInternetUser | as i read it the games arent being developed right now |
| 06:03:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, it all depends on if someone wants to do it. |
| 06:03:48 | AnInternetUser | for h300 |
| 06:04:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | The "core" people are often "core" because they're working on the important matters of 'making things function' ;-) |
| 06:04:15 | AnInternetUser | i wish someone would make something work all the way |
| 06:04:19 | ashridah | AnInternetUser: the H300 isn't quite stable enough to work on, there's a couple of hardware issues to hunt down. |
| 06:04:21 | AnInternetUser | so i could have a reason to install it |
| 06:04:33 | AnInternetUser | yeah thats what i thought |
| 06:04:49 | * | ashridah notes the developer with the hardware to do the job has a dayjob as well |
| 06:04:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 06:04:57 | ashridah | and a family |
| 06:05:24 | AnInternetUser | he should hire some geniuses like bill gates |
| 06:05:31 | AnInternetUser | except he has no money |
| 06:05:35 | ashridah | and since rockbox's only recently been available for the H300, new developers will take a small amount of time to get used to the general architecture and functionality of rockbox before they can be effective |
| 06:05:55 | ashridah | hiring someone like bill gates wouldn't get him any closer. |
| 06:06:03 | AnInternetUser | thats not what i mean |
| 06:06:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think he meant "Like bill gates, he should hire people" |
| 06:06:07 | ashridah | even if bill gates WAS an embedded hardware developer |
| 06:06:14 | ashridah | aah |
| 06:06:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think there's some pretty effective people working on Rockbox anyway |
| 06:06:56 | AnInternetUser | so once it gets off the ground the progress should actually be relatively fast |
| 06:07:05 | ashridah | AnInternetUser: if you believe throwing people at a problem solves a problem faster, i might suggest you read 'The Mythical Man Month' for a thorough debunking of the view :) |
| 06:07:22 | AnInternetUser | i am not some software developer :( |
| 06:07:30 | AnInternetUser | just an internet user |
| 06:07:33 | AnInternetUser | that has an h320 |
| 06:07:41 | ashridah | you don't really need to be. many of the lessons apply to non-software development tasks |
| 06:08:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 06:09:21 | ashridah | but yeah. throwing someone else in wouldn't get it done any faster, given the current progress. |
| 06:09:54 | CheeseBurgerMan | Yeah, it'd be too hard to get him to understand exactly what's going on. |
| 06:10:06 | ashridah | and there's plenty of intelligent people to do the other essential components, and when we get right down to it, a *lot* of the complicated work has already been done on the H1xx |
| 06:10:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's also the fact that right now, it's primarily a one man job until the bootloader is solid, and the hardware variation is known, right? |
| 06:10:17 | ashridah | CheeseBurgerMan: not hard, time consuming. |
| 06:10:50 | CheeseBurgerMan | ashridah: I stand corrected. |
| 06:10:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Isn't a lot of the work just adapting the display code after that? |
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| 06:13:03 | ashridah | Paul_The_Nerd: it doesn't seem to have been too hard to get black and white, and they've already displayed colour stuff. once you've got accurate information, it's a matter of crunching the details (and, of course, determining a useful way to store colour internally) |
| 06:13:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Are they gonna do user defined colors? |
| 06:13:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Like, for the text and backdrop? |
| 06:14:07 | ashridah | not sure. |
| 06:14:14 | ashridah | i think things are slowly heading that way |
| 06:14:19 | * | Paul_The_Nerd shrugs |
| 06:14:22 | ashridah | with the theme stuff |
| 06:14:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 06:14:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've got an H120, and as far as I'm concerned, once any sort of compression is in for recording, I'm not eager for anything else. Heh |
| 06:14:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though Wav2wv gets the job done anyway |
| 06:16:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though if that whole pixel positioned WPS and or multiple-font WPS comes into play, that would probably excite me greatly. But that's like "I wouldn't care if it never shows up, but it'd sure be neat" kinda thing. |
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| 06:28:44 | Membrillo | I know it would be a heck of a lot of work, but WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE to integrate USBOTG support for something such as this on the H3xx: http://www.meritline.com/apmp3playmem.html enabling the OTG reading of cds and possibly even ripping audio cds to MP3 OTF? |
| 06:29:07 | Membrillo | or other mobile USB cd readers |
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| 06:29:34 | Membrillo | something like this may be more effective http://www.meritline.com/apmp3playmem.html |
| 06:29:39 | Membrillo | oops |
| 06:29:46 | Membrillo | http://www.addonics.com/products/external_cd/pocket_ii.asp i mean |
| 06:31:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm not an expert, but I strongly suspect that it'd be *possible.* |
| 06:31:38 | Membrillo | i reckon it would be awesome. OTF cd reading or ripping |
| 06:31:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | I imagine it wouldn't be as awesome as you expected |
| 06:32:15 | Membrillo | why do you imagine that |
| 06:32:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | I suspect it'd end up fairly slow. |
| 06:32:29 | Membrillo | yeah, but you still wouldn't have to have a PC |
| 06:32:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | I suppose |
| 06:32:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | It seems rather a special case, though |
| 06:32:56 | Membrillo | for example i have a lot of bus trips with friends who have discmans. I could borrow their cds and rip straight to my hdd |
| 06:33:03 | Membrillo | on the bus |
| 06:33:29 | * | Paul_The_Nerd shrugs |
| 06:33:57 | Membrillo | i know USBOTG hasn't been tackled yet, but I think portable CD readers should be looked into |
| 06:34:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is the drive battery powered? |
| 06:34:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | It looked like it required AC power. |
| 06:34:15 | Membrillo | ummm |
| 06:34:19 | Membrillo | battery or USB i think |
| 06:34:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah, but I don't think the H300 can deliver USB power |
| 06:34:36 | ashridah | Membrillo: a discman exports a data interface a pc can use? |
| 06:34:43 | ashridah | (usb data interface, i mean) |
| 06:35:13 | ashridah | aah, i see, you're planning on taking your own drive |
| 06:35:18 | Membrillo | yes |
| 06:35:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | ahsridah he's linked a external CD drive that's USB interface, and "requires no drivers under etc etc" |
| 06:35:41 | ashridah | Membrillo: i'd suspect the cpu would be too taxed to be able to stop jitter from creepign in, tbh |
| 06:35:52 | ashridah | Paul_The_Nerd: i missed the link |
| 06:35:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Gotcha |
| 06:36:11 | Membrillo | hmmm, so you think the H3xx would struggle? |
| 06:36:45 | ashridah | Membrillo: i know transferring files over usbotg currently is slow as hell on iriver's firmware. i don't know how much of that's sheer cpu grunt limitation tho |
| 06:36:54 | Membrillo | well possibly the files could be transfered as lossless then compressed to MP3 (or other lossy codec) after. Of course that would take ages but would it work? |
| 06:36:59 | ashridah | it just depends if there's some way to avoid issues with jitter |
| 06:37:11 | ashridah | that doesn't just involve keeping a perfectly regular read rate |
| 06:37:27 | ashridah | you probably wouldn't be able to encode at the same time, i'd say. |
| 06:38:01 | Membrillo | ok, so what about transfering as lossless then encoding from the iRiver? apart from taking ages |
| 06:38:25 | ashridah | not unfeasable. |
| 06:39:03 | Membrillo | so there could be possible workarounds if you were patient |
| 06:39:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or just find the cheapest laptop you can, and use that instead. :-P |
| 06:39:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | From time to time you'll find laptops cheaper than that external CD drive |
| 06:39:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | And they're much more useful. |
| 06:40:22 | Membrillo | i guess |
| 06:40:50 | Membrillo | an external CD drive is a lot more conviniently sized than a laptop though |
| 06:41:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | I suppose |
| 06:41:01 | ashridah | i'd just record directly from the discman, but i'm betting it doesn't have optical out, and the H3xx sadly does not have optical in, so you're going to get some amount of loss |
| 06:41:11 | ashridah | you could, of course, just stop committing copyright violation :) |
| 06:42:08 | ashridah | Membrillo: does that cdrom drive support ASPI type raw access, or whatever one uses to rip these days? |
| 06:42:59 | Membrillo | ummm |
| 06:43:04 | Membrillo | let me check if its on that page |
| 06:43:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was thinking about that. |
| 06:43:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was gonna say something like "It may only be useable for data discs" but I didn't know if that would just sound silly, as I don't know much about audio CDs and how they're ripped / handled /etc |
| 06:44:24 | Membrillo | i did find it runs on 8 AA batteries... |
| 06:45:07 | Membrillo | ah, it has firewire... if only iRiver had a firewire port |
| 06:45:37 | Membrillo | cant see anything about access types |
| 06:46:15 | Membrillo | although it has a headphone jack, implying it can read audio cds |
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| 06:50:54 | ashridah | Paul_The_Nerd: well, some of them handle burning, so they must have some kind of raw interface |
| 06:51:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | I dunno |
| 06:51:31 | ashridah | Membrillo: it's more the usb access than what the drive can do. reading audio cds vs reading data isn't too much different |
| 06:51:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's not necessary that they do. |
| 06:52:00 | Membrillo | ok sure |
| 06:52:47 | Membrillo | you can get about.... 1-2mb\s out of USB2 can you not? what sort of speeds would you need to get encoding as you send across |
| 06:54:19 | Membrillo | or is it the stability of the USB connection |
| 06:57:00 | ashridah | Membrillo: if you've got enough cpu grunt AND enough bandwidth to the usb controller, which the H3xx may well not have |
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| 08:04:34 | ashridah | is the directory cache saved to disk? |
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| 08:17:35 | Slasher | ashridah: not currently. But in future if user wants to flash rockbox, then that will be possible to do |
| 08:17:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Where is it kept then? |
| 08:18:01 | Slasher | it's build on every boot on background |
| 08:18:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, right |
| 08:18:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just the amount of space to reserve for it is stored, right? |
| 08:18:19 | modafroman | safe to put rockbox on intl yet? |
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| 08:18:26 | Slasher | Paul_The_Nerd: yes |
| 08:18:42 | webguest01 | änyone know how the h3xx port is going? |
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| 08:20:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, the bootloader is still V1 so, I would hazard a guess to say 'No' |
| 08:20:21 | modafroman | ahh |
| 08:20:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not to say that "V2" will mean Yes. |
| 08:20:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just that "V1" should always mean no, I'd say |
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| 08:52:39 | Acksaw | while i was looking on the iRiver port i noticed "Panic Handler" what is this/ |
| 08:53:09 | ashridah | using it, or looking at the source? |
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| 08:55:32 | Acksaw | on the wiki |
| 08:56:03 | ashridah | okay. got a link? generally, a panic is when the firmware detects something that just doesn't make sense. |
| 08:56:49 | ashridah | so it'll be tied to things like the illegal instruction interrupt handler, and a bunch of asserts will trigger it, ie, when some variable exceeds a predefined maximum |
| 08:56:51 | Acksaw | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverPort |
| 08:56:54 | Acksaw | software work |
| 08:57:24 | Acksaw | Panic handler Done Same, 90% Done |
| 08:57:29 | ashridah | yeah. i see. |
| 08:58:01 | ashridah | it's part of the infrastructure rockbox provides. mistakes happen, and having asserts and whatnot that detect unexpected stuff helps protect the player from damaging itself |
| 08:58:08 | ashridah | (by say, corrupting the stack) |
| 08:58:10 | Acksaw | ahh i see |
| 08:58:21 | Acksaw | pretty nifty thing then |
| 08:58:37 | Acksaw | any noticeable differences with todays h300 build? |
| 08:58:40 | ashridah | so my guess is 'same, 90%' is just basically meaning 'it shouldn't be different, but it needs testing plus perhaps some minor modifications' |
| 08:58:50 | ashridah | i don't know. i'd have to have one first ;) |
| 08:58:57 | Acksaw | =] |
| 08:59:05 | Acksaw | though you might have heard something |
| 08:59:20 | ashridah | i think Linus has been busy today |
| 08:59:37 | modafroman | are there any rockbox builds that play audio yet? |
| 08:59:40 | ashridah | Acksaw: but whatever i hear will be from this channel. |
| 08:59:46 | Acksaw | alright |
| 08:59:51 | Acksaw | im hear allday today anyways |
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| 09:00:00 | Acksaw | im gonna have a play with todays build |
| 09:00:14 | ashridah | Acksaw: if you want to check what you missed, full logs are on www.rockbox.org/irc/ anyway |
| 09:00:32 | Acksaw | true |
| 09:00:34 | ashridah | modafroman: I don't believe linus has checked it in yet |
| 09:00:48 | ashridah | modafroman: it needs debugging, and they generally try to avoid checking in half finished work |
| 09:01:07 | Acksaw | no, personally |
| 09:01:15 | Acksaw | i wouldnt expect audio for a few more days |
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| 09:01:48 | modafroman | soon as audio is half decent i will start using rb, iriver firmware keeps dieing, reckons battery is low :\ |
| 09:02:10 | ashridah | modafroman: if there's a hardware issue, rockbox isn't going to magically fix it |
| 09:02:32 | modafroman | i know, but i want to use rb anyway :p |
| 09:03:08 | Acksaw | 00.48.14 # <Kyl3> Any luck with music playback yest Linus? |
| 09:03:08 | Acksaw | 00.48.28 # <amiconn> Not sure whether wine or vmware is to blame here |
| 09:03:08 | Acksaw | 00.48.42 # <LinusN> Kyl3: working on non-rockbox stuff now |
| 09:03:17 | Acksaw | seems as though linus was pretty busy |
| 09:03:42 | Acksaw | Modaroman, maybe you battery is dying |
| 09:03:51 | modafroman | it seems it is |
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| 09:04:44 | Acksaw | get a replacement one |
| 09:04:56 | Acksaw | one of them ipod 1g/2g ones from ebay |
| 09:05:02 | Acksaw | for a couple of dollars/pounds |
| 09:05:04 | t0mas | morning :) |
| 09:05:11 | Acksaw | Mornin' |
| 09:06:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | How do you adapt the ipod ones for an iRiver |
| 09:06:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Like, is there an easy way to get the plug off to switch the pins? |
| 09:07:30 | ashridah | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, it's called "scissors" |
| 09:07:31 | ashridah | :) |
| 09:07:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | I considered that |
| 09:07:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I don't know where to get a replacement one. |
| 09:07:46 | ashridah | duct tape and soldering do well :) |
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| 09:08:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah, so "forget using the proper plug, just use "permanent" methods to attach the new one?" |
| 09:08:22 | ashridah | new plug? |
| 09:08:34 | ashridah | hm, are the plugs different as well as the wrong polarity? |
| 09:08:37 | * | ashridah hasn't looked |
| 09:08:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh |
| 09:08:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | You're saying cut the wires halfway, and switch there? |
| 09:09:05 | ashridah | i wouldn't do it halfway, if you screw it, you want enough to try again with a new plug |
| 09:09:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ideally I'd like to *just* try it with a new plug, but I don't know where to find one. |
| 09:09:57 | * | Paul_The_Nerd doesn't know exactly what to look for. |
| 09:11:05 | ashridah | any electronics hobby store should have what you need |
| 09:11:27 | Acksaw | Paul |
| 09:11:30 | Acksaw | check on MR |
| 09:11:32 | ashridah | if you don't know where your nearest one is, you can't really in all fairness call yourself a nerd now, can you :) |
| 09:11:37 | Acksaw | theres a few guides i believe |
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| 09:11:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Heh |
| 09:11:59 | * | B4gder giggles |
| 09:12:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've been to a couple, and they've always said 'we don't have anything like that in that size' |
| 09:12:31 | ashridah | then they aren't real hobby stores |
| 09:12:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, I guess I need to look a little harder. |
| 09:13:41 | ashridah | it may depend entirely on what's available in your area. i used to do computer systems engineering tho, knew all the haunts in my city for decent electronics gear. |
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| 09:14:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm sure there's somewhere around here |
| 09:14:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | I should probably just talk to some EE students at UT and see if any of them can recommend somewhere. |
| 09:14:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | UT is the University around here, btw. |
| 09:14:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though I guess that was kinda obvious from the "students at" bit. |
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| 09:29:54 | Jungti1234 | H100 came to me. :) |
| 09:30:12 | Jungti1234 | Its HDD didn't broke down. |
| 09:30:47 | Jungti1234 | It's no problem! hahaha :D |
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| 10:07:57 | Jungti1234 | hehehe |
| 10:08:24 | Jungti1234 | It's normal. |
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| 10:58:49 | markun | linuxstb, preglow: setting the endian bit for the ARM doesn't affect instruction fetches http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2001-November/006142.html |
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| 11:00:37 | linuxstb | markun: That explains why ARM is normally run in little-endian mode then. |
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| 11:10:00 | preglow | well, i didn't really expect it to affect instruction fetches |
| 11:10:40 | preglow | but granted, that makes it a bit clearer why it might be slower in big endian mode |
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| 11:13:32 | tucoz | Jungti1234, have you installed Rockbox on your h100 yet? |
| 11:13:55 | Jungti1234 | yes |
| 11:14:00 | tucoz | :) |
| 11:15:12 | tucoz | Jungti1234, congratulations. Then you get to see what you can expect from the h300 when that port is a bit more mature. |
| 11:15:18 | tucoz | afk |
| 11:15:34 | Jungti1234 | hehe thanks |
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| 11:15:54 | Acksaw | hey |
| 11:15:54 | Jungti1234 | I go to eat. |
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| 11:16:28 | webguest45 | will the H300 port be finished at the same times as teh H100 (by concentrating on getting the H300 port up to H100 stage) or will equal resources be placed in both? just wondered, thank :) |
| 11:16:45 | webguest45 | thanks* |
| 11:16:46 | Acksaw | read the tpic |
| 11:16:51 | Acksaw | it will be done when its dones |
| 11:18:42 | Acksaw | hmm |
| 11:18:50 | Acksaw | i need an english bomberman rom |
| 11:19:32 | webguest45 | well, if you'd actually answered my question i might have sent one via email. |
| 11:19:39 | tucoz | webguest38, as Rockbox is always in development, you can not expect it to be finished. What you can expect is a release some time in the future. |
| 11:19:47 | webguest45 | not to mention being rude |
| 11:20:17 | Acksaw | i wasnt being rube |
| 11:20:18 | tucoz | A new development snapshot is available as soon as someone makes a commit to cvs |
| 11:20:24 | Acksaw | i was answering your question |
| 11:20:33 | webguest45 | i understand that, i was just simply commenting on how developing resources were split between the two efforts, not about a time frame |
| 11:21:04 | webguest45 | and yes by "finished" I meant an official release of sorts ;) |
| 11:21:50 | webguest45 | reason i asked was it just seems the H100 port has cooled off a bit, while the H300 is developing rapidly. |
| 11:22:41 | ghode|afk | There will be no split i guess, developers will work one what they want to, no one target is given any priority |
| 11:22:57 | linuxstb | webguest45: Rockbox doesn't have "developing resources". There are just people that work on what they want to work on, when they want to work on it. |
| 11:23:05 | Acksaw | i think that there is a priority on getting the audio working on the h300 |
| 11:23:13 | ghode|afk | no there isn't :) |
| 11:23:15 | Acksaw | as that will be enough for most people |
| 11:23:54 | webguest45 | ah i see |
| 11:23:55 | ghode|afk | it could be weeks or months before audio is working on the h300, just because linus has been busy this week, he does have a life :) |
| 11:24:06 | webguest45 | of course |
| 11:24:41 | Acksaw | just saying.. |
| 11:24:44 | tucoz | webguest45, the stuff that is being done to the h300 port, has already been done to the h100 (i.e. the hardware stuff). When that is done, I believe the h300 is up to par with the h100 fairly quickly. |
| 11:25:03 | Acksaw | i think getting just the mp3's playing is the main thing linus is working on |
| 11:25:27 | linuxstb | But there is also new hardware on the h300 that Rockbox doesn't take advantage of yet - the colour LCD and USBOTG. |
| 11:25:35 | ghode|afk | well linus has music playing, but i guess he hasn't commited it yet because it still has some bugs |
| 11:25:44 | Acksaw | yeh |
| 11:25:49 | Acksaw | like the buttons going wild |
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| 11:26:42 | * | Jungti1234 ´ÔÀÌ ºÎÀçÁß¿¡¼ µ¹¾Æ¿À¼Ì½À´Ï´Ù.(Dinner) |
| 11:26:49 | ghode|afk | so basically it will be done, when its done |
| 11:26:54 | Jungti1234 | Returned. |
| 11:27:13 | webguest45 | are teh CPUs in the H100 and H300 the same? if so does that mean the H300 has some kind of colour video driver acclearator thingymabob that the H100 doesnt have? (excuse my ignorance) as if both players were equally capable then would it be possible to put a colour LCD in an H100 player? |
| 11:27:32 | Jungti1234 | hey markun |
| 11:27:35 | markun | hi |
| 11:27:46 | Jungti1234 | Give 'Gulim' to me. |
| 11:27:55 | markun | the .fnt? |
| 11:27:56 | Acksaw | more than likely the h100 cannot handle a LCD screen |
| 11:28:09 | tucoz | webguest45, same cpu |
| 11:28:13 | Jungti1234 | yes |
| 11:28:17 | markun | Acksaw: mine has a LCD :) |
| 11:28:26 | tucoz | mine too :) |
| 11:28:28 | Acksaw | pic? |
| 11:28:32 | Acksaw | i meant the colour one |
| 11:28:43 | markun | I guessed that :) |
| 11:28:48 | webguest45 | lol |
| 11:29:15 | webguest45 | because that would be one hell of a mod |
| 11:30:10 | tucoz | webguest45, but probably not worth it. The h300 is what you would want if you were up for a mod like that. |
| 11:30:27 | tucoz | As that is basically a h100 with a colour lcd. |
| 11:30:40 | linuxstb | Yes, it would probably be easier to add digital I/O to the h300 than change the LCD in a h100. |
| 11:30:44 | webguest45 | I know that the LCDs are easy to replace, no soldering needed. I suppose it would depend on whether the H100s were limited by the LCD hardware alone or the lack of something on the mainboard |
| 11:31:36 | markun | Jungti1234: I'm sending the file over IRC, can't you receive it? |
| 11:31:45 | Jungti1234 | yes |
| 11:32:00 | Jungti1234 | I was going to receive it, don't come. |
| 11:32:21 | webguest45 | I want an H340 crammed into an H120 body with optical! |
| 11:32:26 | webguest45 | :( |
| 11:33:08 | tucoz | webguest45, I am not sure if the x5 has optical i/o. If so, then that would probably be something like that |
| 11:33:36 | markun | Jungti1234: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/gulim.fnt |
| 11:33:48 | Jungti1234 | thanks markun |
| 11:33:54 | markun | but it will be of no use to you without the unicode patch (which doesn't work for H3xx) |
| 11:33:59 | Acksaw | whats that font look likle? |
| 11:34:07 | Jungti1234 | ok |
| 11:34:13 | tucoz | markun, he has a h100 now |
| 11:34:17 | markun | ah :) |
| 11:34:27 | markun | Acksaw: like this http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/gulim.jpg |
| 11:34:31 | Jungti1234 | hehe |
| 11:34:38 | Jungti1234 | I like it. |
| 11:34:53 | markun | Did Kong deliver it to your house? |
| 11:34:57 | Jungti1234 | It's Hangul basis font. |
| 11:35:22 | Jungti1234 | yes, but sent by home delivery. |
| 11:35:30 | Acksaw | ahh |
| 11:35:35 | markun | And what about the HDD? Wasn't it broken? |
| 11:35:55 | Jungti1234 | It's normal!! ;D |
| 11:35:55 | Acksaw | woob |
| 11:35:58 | webguest45 | the X5 is great as a player, and if / when the rockbox port is mature I would definatly get one to replace my H140 |
| 11:35:59 | Acksaw | bomberman rawks |
| 11:36:18 | Acksaw | webguest |
| 11:36:26 | Acksaw | do you have an english bomberman then? |
| 11:36:45 | markun | It's snowing for the first time.. |
| 11:36:55 | Jungti1234 | oh |
| 11:37:00 | webguest45 | sorry guys last question! if an H100 wont run on, just charge (ie, the mainboard is fried!) then what is the lielyhood of the HD being salvagable |
| 11:37:09 | webguest45 | turn on* |
| 11:37:21 | markun | webguest45: did you use the wrong charger? |
| 11:37:32 | webguest45 | no im bidding for such a unit on ebay |
| 11:37:33 | tucoz | webguest45: if you are curious, you can check out the current status of the h300-port at this page. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverPort |
| 11:37:49 | Jungti1234 | I'm fine snow, but cold thing hates. :) |
| 11:38:25 | * | preglow freezes |
| 11:38:36 | tucoz | and you can see that there are still some gaps there. |
| 11:38:45 | webguest45 | i just though there may some kind of protection circuit for the toshiba HDS? |
| 11:39:03 | markun | webguest45: sorry, really don't know |
| 11:43:11 | Jungti1234 | markun |
| 11:43:18 | markun | yes? |
| 11:43:40 | Jungti1234 | Inform method to use unicode rockbox. |
| 11:44:07 | markun | Jungti1234: I will give you my rockbox unicode build |
| 11:44:28 | Jungti1234 | When ? |
| 11:44:53 | markun | http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/unicode.zip |
| 11:45:05 | Jungti1234 | ^^ |
| 11:45:10 | Acksaw | what does the skull do on bomberman? |
| 11:45:17 | markun | japanese and korean language file are included |
| 11:45:42 | Jungti1234 | Is it latest version? |
| 11:46:06 | markun | It's 1 week old. |
| 11:46:12 | Jungti1234 | hmm..? |
| 11:46:18 | markun | I can make the latest for you |
| 11:46:44 | Jungti1234 | If isn't busy, do so. |
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| 11:57:57 | Jungti1234 | Must I wait more? |
| 11:58:07 | markun | Jungti1234: it will take a little longer. You can try the old one. It will work fine |
| 11:58:22 | Jungti1234 | hehe |
| 11:58:30 | Jungti1234 | I have much time. |
| 11:58:42 | Jungti1234 | I don't go to the school tomorrow. |
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| 12:00:48 | Acksaw | no school for me today =] |
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| 12:00:58 | Acksaw | mornin' san |
| 12:03:17 | Jungti1234 | Saturday tomorrow |
| 12:03:31 | amiconn | markun: Is there a reason why unicode doesn't work for H300 yet? |
| 12:04:09 | amiconn | I mean, the changes in the LCD driver aren't large, are they? |
| 12:04:25 | markun | amiconn: yes, because the text functions are copied to lcd-16bit.c |
| 12:04:54 | markun | No, not very large, but it would be nicer if we could keep them in 1 file. |
| 12:04:58 | markun | lcd-text.c or something |
| 12:05:20 | * | Acksaw np: The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Spanish Castle Magic [03:02m/192Kbps/44KHz] |
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| 12:05:44 | amiconn | markun: lcd-bitmap.c |
| 12:05:55 | markun | yes |
| 12:06:07 | amiconn | ...could contain all functions common to bitmap lcds |
| 12:09:17 | markun | amiconn: Maybe apps/player and apps/recorder could also be renamed to apps/charcell and apps/bitmap or something like that |
| 12:09:33 | Jungti1234 | http://imgnews.naver.com/image/001/2005/11/25/kp1_2051125o1541.jpg |
| 12:09:35 | amiconn | I'd rather not do that |
| 12:09:42 | markun | why not? |
| 12:09:52 | amiconn | The problem is that all the files would use their cvs history |
| 12:10:12 | markun | would it be possible when/if we switch to svn? |
| 12:10:20 | amiconn | If cvs would allow easy renaming, then of course |
| 12:10:35 | amiconn | I have no idea, never used svn yet |
| 12:11:05 | amiconn | ... would *lose* their cvs history |
| 12:11:32 | linuxstb | markun: My understanding is that svn does a delete/create operation when renaming files, but it copies the old history to the new file. So yes, svn should make it easier to rename things. |
| 12:14:07 | markun | Jungti1234: I updated unicode.zip. Tell me if you find any problems. |
| 12:15:12 | markun | linuxstb: do you know if people would lose their local changes to the moved files? |
| 12:16:20 | linuxstb | I would hope not, but I've never used svn. |
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| 12:35:27 | Jungti1234 | markunj |
| 12:35:53 | Jungti1234 | Does it include gulim? |
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| 12:39:35 | markun | no, you have to copy it yourself |
| 12:39:59 | Jungti1234 | ok |
| 12:40:16 | markun | unifont also has hangul |
| 12:43:47 | Jungti1234 | I can translate more naturally. :) |
| 12:44:19 | markun | now it's easyer to translate |
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| 12:44:44 | Jungti1234 | yes |
| 12:45:01 | Jungti1234 | I begin work now. |
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| 12:51:07 | tucoz | markun, does the unicode build fit the 200k limit on whatever that target was? |
| 12:52:39 | markun | I can't try it here because I couldn't get the SH1 crosscompiler to compile |
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| 12:53:14 | tucoz | I see. But it's quite tight, right? |
| 12:53:25 | markun | yes, I think it doesn't fit |
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| 12:54:08 | markun | maybe we can disable some of unicode code on that player anyway |
| 12:57:25 | amiconn | markun: I'd rather not do that. I should probably have a try at implementing that selfextractor |
| 12:58:02 | * | amiconn still hopes code sizes will go down again |
| 12:58:22 | amiconn | ...with TiMiD adapting more and more stuff to multiscreen |
| 12:58:42 | amiconn | There are some features which take more space than they should, imho |
| 12:59:10 | tucoz | is 3.3.4 the recommended gcc for sh1? |
| 12:59:12 | amiconn | markun: Did you update the patch? |
| 12:59:19 | amiconn | tucoz: 3.3.6 |
| 12:59:22 | tucoz | ok |
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| 13:07:12 | markun | amiconn: not yet, I will do it now |
| 13:09:21 | tucoz | amiconn: I do not have a newlib in my gcc-3.3.6 directory. Should it be there? |
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| 13:13:06 | tucoz | nevermind, I give up trying to build sh1-elf :) |
| 13:13:37 | amiconn | Newlib is a separate source package |
| 13:13:45 | tucoz | yes, I have found that |
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| 13:14:04 | amiconn | For 3.3.6, the workaround *might* no longer be necessary |
| 13:14:16 | tucoz | well, I got build-errors (ubuntu) |
| 13:14:16 | amiconn | For me it worked without newlib on cygwin |
| 13:15:21 | DimiBoy | hi i am new to rockbox and i have h320 eu withe korean firmware can someone help me to get int buisness? |
| 13:16:41 | tucoz | DimiBoy, it is not really usable at the moment |
| 13:16:41 | DimiBoy | hi i am new to rockbox and i have h320 eu withe korean firmware can someone help me to get int buisness? |
| 13:17:11 | LinusN | DimiBoy: i don't recommend installing it yet |
| 13:17:49 | DimiBoy | hi i am new to rockbox and i have h320 eu withe korean firmware can someone help me to get int buisness? |
| 13:18:09 | Mode | "#rockbox +o B4gder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 13:18:17 | B4gder | DimiBoy: stop that |
| 13:18:52 | DimiBoy | yes i know but i just want to know few things |
| 13:19:03 | B4gder | then ask |
| 13:19:06 | ender` | you don't need to sound like a parrot |
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| 13:20:19 | LinusN | wow |
| 13:20:46 | preglow | ahahah |
| 13:21:27 | Acksaw | lol |
| 13:21:28 | preglow | once in a while humankind really does spit forth an amusing character or two |
| 13:21:40 | Acksaw | ill second that1 |
| 13:21:56 | amiconn | hi LinusN :) |
| 13:22:06 | LinusN | hi |
| 13:22:30 | preglow | please repeat things three times for convenience |
| 13:22:40 | amiconn | LinusN: There is already a small update for my 16bit LCD patch |
| 13:22:49 | LinusN | saw that |
| 13:22:50 | Acksaw | any further revelations for the audio? |
| 13:22:56 | LinusN | Acksaw: no, been busy |
| 13:23:12 | Acksaw | understandable |
| 13:23:23 | amiconn | LinusN: In fact I'm pretty sure it will speed things up, just not how much |
| 13:23:33 | amiconn | It should speed up the drawing part that is |
| 13:23:55 | * | Acksaw is drinking too much milkshake |
| 13:24:16 | amiconn | ...and it is working correctly, tested in the simulator |
| 13:24:31 | tucoz | building gcc-sh-elf with newlib takes a loooong time |
| 13:24:38 | LinusN | amiconn: care to set up a testbench plugin? |
| 13:25:00 | amiconn | For testing speed? |
| 13:25:05 | LinusN | yes |
| 13:25:51 | Acksaw | i think my dog is ill |
| 13:26:39 | amiconn | LinusN: Hmm, should be possible, but not simple without an actual unit |
| 13:27:15 | LinusN | i know, perhaps i'd better do it |
| 13:27:48 | Acksaw | what do you guys code rockbox in? |
| 13:27:54 | LinusN | a house? |
| 13:28:03 | amiconn | Measuring speed with a set loop count would require at least coarse knowledge of what speed to expect |
| 13:28:14 | Acksaw | i mean what program |
| 13:28:16 | LinusN | amiconn: true |
| 13:28:17 | Acksaw | or langugage |
| 13:28:18 | Jungti1234 | help |
| 13:28:22 | LinusN | Acksaw: C and asm |
| 13:28:59 | amiconn | Otherwise the loop might run either for several minutes to hours, or very short with no usable result |
| 13:29:06 | LinusN | exactly |
| 13:29:10 | Jungti1234 | Music is not said in H100. |
| 13:29:52 | Jungti1234 | oops |
| 13:30:03 | amiconn | Of course one could do the opposite: run the loop for a set amount of time and count the iterations |
| 13:30:21 | Jungti1234 | Music is said. :) |
| 13:30:21 | Acksaw | c# or c++? |
| 13:30:27 | LinusN | Acksaw: C |
| 13:30:39 | Acksaw | im learning some c# |
| 13:31:09 | B4gder | c# is quite far from Rockbox ;-) |
| 13:31:31 | ender` | let's start porting mono to rockbox >:) |
| 13:32:03 | markun | Jungti1234: the translation doesn't make sence |
| 13:32:07 | LinusN | i just love this (from tonights log): "06.05.24 # <AnInternetUser> he should hire some geniuses like bill gates" |
| 13:32:23 | LinusN | regarding my h300 work |
| 13:32:45 | B4gder | hahaha |
| 13:32:46 | markun | yes, but he was talking that you, just like bill gates, should hire people |
| 13:33:04 | markun | s/talking/saying |
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| 13:33:26 | B4gder | yes LinusN, why don't you just hire some geniuses? |
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| 13:33:38 | LinusN | i should have thought of that |
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| 13:34:10 | LinusN | why not just let some competent people work on rockbox instead? |
| 13:34:26 | B4gder | nooo, don't take it away from us! |
| 13:38:39 | preglow | all open source projects advance fastest when in the hands of a looney bin |
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| 13:42:08 | tucoz | which target is it that has this 200k limit? |
| 13:43:40 | preglow | recorder v1? |
| 13:44:02 | amiconn | Recorder v1 and player |
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| 13:44:33 | preglow | i think we might as well just prepare a compressed image loader now :/ |
| 13:44:37 | amiconn | Player is less critical because rockbox isn't that close to the limit as on recorder v1 |
| 13:45:02 | amiconn | The other archoses have a 400K limit |
| 13:45:34 | preglow | are we waiting with integrating unicode because of size issues, or just to not do too many big overhauls at once? |
| 13:45:52 | B4gder | I have in fact a tiny bootloader that inflates a gzip image |
| 13:45:57 | B4gder | not for sh, but anyway |
| 13:46:33 | B4gder | how much do UCL and gz differ in compression ratio? |
| 13:46:35 | preglow | we already have a decompressor for sh1, no? |
| 13:46:37 | preglow | ucl? |
| 13:46:38 | amiconn | I wouldn't introduce another compression scheme |
| 13:46:43 | preglow | myep |
| 13:46:57 | preglow | B4gder: perhaps a bit, in favour of gzip |
| 13:47:00 | amiconn | I want to reuse rockbox.ucl and just tackon the decompressor |
| 13:47:09 | B4gder | well, I thought it would depend how much extra room you get |
| 13:47:13 | preglow | a lot of the point with ucl is the fast decompressor |
| 13:47:36 | amiconn | ucl has a fast and tiny decompressor, and the compression ratio is very good |
| 13:48:28 | amiconn | My local builds: ajbrec.ajz: 200022 bytes rockbox.ucl: 122715 bytes |
| 13:48:57 | preglow | how's that for gzip? |
| 13:49:06 | B4gder | gzip is only very little smaller |
| 13:49:06 | preglow | just for a quick comparison |
| 13:49:18 | markun | amiconn: would you be so kind to try out the updated unicode patch before I sumit it to the tracker? http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/unicode2.diff |
| 13:49:20 | B4gder | -rw-r−−r−− 1 daniel daniel 122780 Nov 25 13:48 rockbox.gz |
| 13:49:20 | B4gder | -rw-r−−r−− 1 daniel daniel 124226 Nov 25 13:48 rockbox.ucl |
| 13:49:48 | B4gder | (compressing my rocbox.bin) |
| 13:50:03 | amiconn | rockbox.bin.gz: 122151 bytes |
| 13:50:10 | amiconn | That's gzip -9 |
| 13:51:29 | amiconn | Perhaps I'll have a shot at the decompressor. |
| 13:51:55 | amiconn | Imho we will need uclpack in cvs then, and some perl magic for the build system |
| 13:52:07 | B4gder | yeps |
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| 13:53:25 | amiconn | Like, running scramble from a script, and if it returns with firmware-too-big error, run make in another sub-dir (the decompressor), and then re-run scamble with the new .bin |
| 13:53:30 | markun | Bagder: you were talking about replacing some of the 'sed' code with perl code in the makefile for the sim once. It would help me a lot because FreeBSD's sed doesn't like the code at all |
| 13:54:09 | ashridah | rofl. did you people rely on GNU sedisms? :) |
| 13:54:22 | * | ashridah kept on running into that with the assignments he had to mark this year |
| 13:54:47 | ashridah | damned students wrote them on linux machines, and never bothered to test on solaris, even tho i TOLD them that the GNU toolchain has more features than solaris's |
| 13:55:20 | B4gder | it is not a GNU extension |
| 13:55:43 | B4gder | we use the /D command |
| 13:55:49 | B4gder | mention in TSUSV2 |
| 13:55:53 | B4gder | mentioned |
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| 13:56:05 | ashridah | aah |
| 13:56:20 | ashridah | interesting. would have expected freebsd to support SUSv2 |
| 13:56:23 | B4gder | iirc |
| 13:56:55 | B4gder | ah, no |
| 13:57:05 | B4gder | it is a /c with newlines in the replacement string |
| 13:57:21 | ashridah | hm that's a new one on me |
| 13:58:34 | markun | amiconn: the unicode2.diff was almost 9MB because I updated and added some fonts :) |
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| 14:00:18 | B4gder | markun: fixing the sed thing was not just a 5 min hack I thought it would be so I haven't worked that out yet |
| 14:01:02 | Acksaw | anyides what [b1] means on a rom? |
| 14:03:30 | LinusN | Acksaw: ????? |
| 14:04:07 | Acksaw | yes? |
| 14:04:11 | preglow | Acksaw: it's a system for tagging the validity of roms used by goodsnes |
| 14:04:18 | Acksaw | ahh |
| 14:04:20 | Acksaw | thanks |
| 14:04:20 | preglow | Acksaw: and the goodtools in general |
| 14:04:30 | preglow | Acksaw: i suggest you download the manuals to those program to see what the tags means |
| 14:04:35 | Acksaw | just wondering as i didnt know if they would play on RockBoy |
| 14:04:54 | LinusN | Acksaw: i thought you were talking about flash rom chips |
| 14:05:01 | B4gder | calling a file a rom sure is confusin |
| 14:05:04 | LinusN | "a rom" isn't very descriptive |
| 14:05:05 | preglow | hehe |
| 14:05:13 | preglow | i'm used to it |
| 14:05:42 | Acksaw | i should of made my question clearer, sorry |
| 14:05:56 | * | preglow eyes the bakery across the street with hunger |
| 14:06:14 | Acksaw | at last |
| 14:06:19 | Acksaw | a english bomberman! |
| 14:06:27 | Acksaw | and this one plays faster |
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| 14:07:02 | Acksaw | hey san |
| 14:08:56 | Acksaw | bomberman 1 is longer games |
| 14:13:21 | markun | And before you ask: no San, no progress on the H3xx front :) |
| 14:13:45 | Jungti1234 | wow.. |
| 14:13:55 | Jungti1234 | good sounds.. |
| 14:14:09 | markun | Jungti1234: from the H120? |
| 14:14:15 | Jungti1234 | yes |
| 14:14:57 | Jungti1234 | It's emotion. :) |
| 14:15:02 | markun | :) |
| 14:15:41 | Jungti1234 | markun, are you working? |
| 14:15:50 | markun | I should be studying.. |
| 14:16:02 | Jungti1234 | ah.. |
| 14:16:26 | Jungti1234 | Don't you go to the office on Friday? |
| 14:17:43 | XavierGr | YAY my ISP just made a mistake and gave 4months of ADSL free!!!! |
| 14:18:10 | XavierGr | (or so it seems) |
| 14:18:36 | Jungti1234 | adsl? |
| 14:18:52 | Jungti1234 | It's so slow. ^^; |
| 14:18:56 | XavierGr | internet connection type |
| 14:19:09 | XavierGr | grrr I hate you Jungti dont mess with my pain |
| 14:19:58 | Jungti1234 | hahaha |
| 14:20:08 | Jungti1234 | Don't hate me. :) |
| 14:20:32 | XavierGr | I pay 120 euros for 3 months of crappy 384D/128U conncetion which shuts down whenever I use a VoiP app. (with lags more than 300ms) |
| 14:20:43 | Jungti1234 | The South Korea uses most VDSL. |
| 14:20:54 | Jungti1234 | Or 100mbps |
| 14:21:13 | XavierGr | I hate you STOP that immediately!!!! |
| 14:21:26 | Jungti1234 | hahaha okok |
| 14:21:47 | XavierGr | I have internet inferiority syndrome! :p |
| 14:21:50 | amiconn | XavierGr: ADSL doesn't have to be *that* slow |
| 14:21:50 | Jungti1234 | relax.. :) |
| 14:21:57 | * | amiconn uses 2048/384 |
| 14:22:14 | XavierGr | amiconn come to Greece and say that to the ISPs |
| 14:22:15 | preglow | i hate the assymetry :/ |
| 14:22:16 | Jungti1234 | haha |
| 14:22:18 | preglow | sdsl for me |
| 14:22:20 | Lynx_ | XavierGr: i can sell you a cheap herbal patch to enlarge your dsl connection! |
| 14:22:37 | XavierGr | Lynx_: I am looking forward to this. |
| 14:23:15 | Jungti1234 | Korean ISPs show strange action. |
| 14:23:22 | amiconn | markun: Unicode patch breaks recorder v1. ~800 bytes too large binary :( |
| 14:23:40 | XavierGr | Unbelievabe is the quality of the lines here. |
| 14:24:11 | XavierGr | 384 means 320 and if you are lucky (I am not) you can use VoiP without problems |
| 14:24:28 | Jungti1234 | They are going to change internet to meter-rate system. |
| 14:24:51 | Jungti1234 | It's bad. :( |
| 14:25:15 | Jungti1234 | Is action that degenerate. |
| 14:25:42 | * | amiconn can probably upgrade to 6144/576 at almost no additional cost |
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| 14:26:53 | XavierGr | Now I hate all of you! |
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| 14:27:03 | * | XavierGr hides in a corner |
| 14:27:27 | ashridah | XavierGr: don't feel bad. i can't get any kind of decent high speed connection where i live currently. it's dialup or nothing |
| 14:27:41 | * | preglow has 8000/600 |
| 14:27:52 | XavierGr | at least your dial-up should be flat-rate, no? |
| 14:28:00 | preglow | or something around that |
| 14:28:11 | ashridah | XavierGr: depends how much you pay, and who you're with. |
| 14:28:18 | preglow | i'd gladly slash the download in half to get a few mbits of upstream |
| 14:28:19 | * | XavierGr shakes in rage " MAKE IT STOP " |
| 14:28:28 | preglow | XavierGr: i _used_ to have 100mbit :PPP |
| 14:29:04 | preglow | nothing quite like driving people to the brink of insanity |
| 14:29:06 | * | XavierGr attempts a "harakiri"!!!! |
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| 14:29:36 | XavierGr | we still pay dial-up here per hour! |
| 14:29:52 | ashridah | that's uncanny. |
| 14:30:02 | XavierGr | that's hilarious.... |
| 14:30:33 | ashridah | is there a monopoly or something in the telco area over there? |
| 14:31:19 | preglow | not that long since we had one |
| 14:31:27 | Jungti1234 | hmm.. -_-; |
| 14:31:33 | ashridah | we have one here. |
| 14:31:38 | ashridah | one company owns 99% of the infrastructure |
| 14:31:45 | preglow | ashridah: well, that's still true here |
| 14:31:49 | ashridah | fortunately, they keep getting beaten into submission by the consumer protection groups |
| 14:31:55 | preglow | ashridah: but they've been forced to allow those who wants to use it |
| 14:32:10 | XavierGr | ashridah: exactly the only company that has cables and telephony here is one single company (and some other minor ones that buy lines from the main company) so it is a damn monopoly. |
| 14:32:15 | ashridah | so they have no choice but to offer their DSL equipment wholesale for practically nothing, lets the competition undercut them bigtime |
| 14:32:32 | preglow | ashridah: which isn't that far-fetched, since it was built with tax-payer money anyway |
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| 14:32:46 | * | ashridah notes that it sounds like XavierGr's country needs a consumer protection group with teeth |
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| 14:32:59 | ashridah | preglow: exactly |
| 14:33:03 | ashridah | same here |
| 14:33:04 | XavierGr | indeed and amen t that |
| 14:33:07 | Jungti1234 | Here the two companies 40% occupy. |
| 14:33:21 | Jungti1234 | Each 40% |
| 14:33:47 | XavierGr | where is EU when you need it to kick some asses. |
| 14:34:05 | XavierGr | This company must be dismantlled and give their lines to people :p |
| 14:34:34 | Jungti1234 | I pay 30 thousand wons at month. |
| 14:34:44 | preglow | eu isn't in the business of kicking asses |
| 14:34:45 | ashridah | XavierGr: is the company government owned or privatly owned? |
| 14:34:51 | preglow | it's in the business of being backward and unfriendly |
| 14:34:58 | Jungti1234 | hahaha.. |
| 14:35:27 | XavierGr | it WAS government owned. now it has a pretty large percent of it in stocks. |
| 14:35:35 | XavierGr | stock exchange that is |
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| 14:39:00 | Jungti1234 | I will no longer say about it. :) |
| 14:39:17 | Jungti1234 | He hates. |
| 14:39:24 | XavierGr | you better do that :) |
| 14:39:35 | Jungti1234 | hehe.. |
| 14:39:45 | XavierGr | we have a forum that discuss all these things |
| 14:40:15 | XavierGr | and when someone posts some news of other countries and prices of conncetions he gets flames. |
| 14:40:20 | XavierGr | ^flamed |
| 14:41:29 | Jungti1234 | The Korea isn't cheap. |
| 14:42:14 | XavierGr | okay dare to share your price? |
| 14:42:24 | XavierGr | say price per mbit! |
| 14:42:43 | XavierGr | it is around 100euros mbit / month |
| 14:43:00 | XavierGr | (maximum is 2 mbit) |
| 14:43:47 | Jungti1234 | 100mbps service of here is 30 thousand wons at month. |
| 14:44:13 | Jungti1234 | 24.48euros |
| 14:44:33 | Jungti1234 | It's about 25 Euros. |
| 14:44:42 | XavierGr | LOL |
| 14:45:04 | XavierGr | xaxa I can't dare to calculate the ratio. |
| 14:45:20 | Jungti1234 | haha. |
| 14:45:46 | XavierGr | OMFG what I am saying? |
| 14:45:55 | XavierGr | You are the enemy I hate you |
| 14:46:00 | preglow | hahah |
| 14:46:08 | XavierGr | you shall rotten in ethernet cable |
| 14:46:11 | Jungti1234 | oh... -_-; |
| 14:46:21 | XavierGr | ;p |
| 14:46:22 | Jungti1234 | relax.. |
| 14:46:34 | Jungti1234 | That's true. |
| 14:48:40 | XavierGr | well at least my ISP made a mistake and now I have 4 months of free crappy adsl, so there! |
| 14:49:47 | Jungti1234 | I know your feel. |
| 14:55:28 | thegeek | hehe |
| 14:55:45 | thegeek | I have 100mbit for 19 euro / month |
| 14:55:56 | thegeek | 20gb/48h cap though |
| 14:56:13 | Jungti1234 | akkkkkkk! |
| 14:56:31 | thegeek | It's only because I get to use the university line |
| 14:56:40 | Jungti1234 | Where do you live? |
| 14:56:43 | thegeek | norway |
| 14:56:54 | Jungti1234 | ah university line.. |
| 14:56:56 | thegeek | but the prices are "normally" MUCH higher |
| 14:56:57 | thegeek | yes |
| 14:56:59 | thegeek | ;) |
| 14:57:06 | Jungti1234 | good.. |
| 14:57:10 | thegeek | heh |
| 14:58:06 | preglow | i laught at your ridicilous cap! |
| 14:58:58 | preglow | imagine what a warez nest the student villages used to be a couple of years back, when there was no cap |
| 14:59:15 | B4gder | I bet they still are |
| 14:59:19 | B4gder | cap or not |
| 14:59:22 | preglow | the moholt gateway broke down on a regular basis, i remember |
| 14:59:35 | preglow | B4gder: yeah, but it was _much_ worse |
| 14:59:40 | B4gder | true |
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| 15:00:10 | preglow | i used to share a flat with network assistant up there, and he closed down a number of people each week |
| 15:00:45 | preglow | and the place in question isn't that big |
| 15:02:19 | preglow | thegeek: they also did look at a number of other much worse solutions, you're lucky it ended up like it did, heh |
| 15:02:53 | thegeek | true;) |
| 15:03:15 | thegeek | I threw together a little perl, iptables and sql |
| 15:03:21 | thegeek | to monitor my bw usage |
| 15:03:49 | preglow | i never had much of a problem with it during the later days |
| 15:03:51 | thegeek | suprisingly I found no ready-made solution for monitoring a "floating" limit |
| 15:03:56 | thegeek | hehe |
| 15:03:59 | preglow | and anyway, my flatmate would just put me back in the net if i was closed out, heh |
| 15:04:06 | thegeek | all it takes is to forget turning of a torrent |
| 15:04:12 | thegeek | haha |
| 15:04:21 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 15:04:25 | preglow | never happened, though |
| 15:04:27 | preglow | i'm a nice boy |
| 15:04:33 | thegeek | bah |
| 15:04:40 | thegeek | It's not that I use all that bw |
| 15:04:57 | thegeek | it's just that it's very easy to go over the limit if you allow other people to download from oyu |
| 15:04:58 | thegeek | you |
| 15:05:01 | preglow | yup |
| 15:05:05 | preglow | i got slashdotted once |
| 15:05:09 | thegeek | haha;) |
| 15:05:12 | preglow | had to yank out the cable |
| 15:05:16 | thegeek | mhm |
| 15:05:36 | thegeek | you should've just changed mac, to get a new ip |
| 15:05:49 | preglow | didn't want a new ip, i ran a number of domains |
| 15:06:07 | thegeek | ;) |
| 15:06:28 | preglow | had my take at being a sysadmin for some years |
| 15:06:47 | thegeek | funfun |
| 15:06:48 | thegeek | http://www.free60.org/wiki/Documentation |
| 15:06:49 | thegeek | hehe |
| 15:06:54 | preglow | it was, actuallt |
| 15:06:55 | preglow | y |
| 15:06:56 | preglow | learnt heaps |
| 15:07:07 | thegeek | look at all the on-cpu security it has |
| 15:07:32 | thegeek | I laugh at all the 14-year-old fanboys that think it will be hacked right away |
| 15:07:37 | preglow | ahaha |
| 15:07:45 | preglow | onchip boot room |
| 15:07:47 | preglow | rom, even |
| 15:07:49 | thegeek | indeed |
| 15:07:50 | thegeek | evil |
| 15:08:43 | preglow | they've probably learnt their lesson now, yes |
| 15:08:47 | preglow | but still, some mistake probably exists |
| 15:09:11 | thegeek | hopefully;) |
| 15:09:45 | thegeek | but yes, It could very well be a looong time before(if ever) it gets hacked |
| 15:13:31 | preglow | does it still run some freak version of windows? |
| 15:13:51 | Jungti1234 | I don't know meaning of 'Scroll Speed Setting Example' yet. Who will answer to me? |
| 15:14:20 | LinusN | Jungti1234: it's a bug, the text is too short |
| 15:14:42 | Jungti1234 | hmm? |
| 15:14:43 | LinusN | if that's what you mean |
| 15:14:50 | LinusN | or are you translating? |
| 15:14:58 | Jungti1234 | yes |
| 15:15:16 | LinusN | that text is shown when you adjust the scroll settings |
| 15:15:22 | LinusN | so you can see how it scrolls |
| 15:15:32 | Jungti1234 | ah |
| 15:15:35 | LinusN | the text should be quite long |
| 15:15:38 | Jungti1234 | ok |
| 15:15:45 | Jungti1234 | I understood. |
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| 15:23:51 | tucoz | should I add wps as a module to the cvs wiki? |
| 15:26:40 | tucoz | maybe it isn't necessary. |
| 15:26:54 | tucoz | ...after all. :) |
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| 15:33:04 | tucoz | how come there is a apps/wps/ipodVOL directory in cvs? |
| 15:33:24 | tucoz | that is the only directory under apps/wps/ and it is empty |
| 15:36:28 | Jungti1234 | Who is H100 developer? |
| 15:36:35 | Jungti1234 | There are ideas to me. |
| 15:36:44 | LinusN | Jungti1234: we are many |
| 15:37:08 | Jungti1234 | Translation may be strange. |
| 15:37:13 | Jungti1234 | After choose a song been playing now in directory list, a song is played from first again if press Jog button. |
| 15:37:20 | Jungti1234 | I should like to edit it. |
| 15:37:29 | LinusN | tucoz: i don't have apps/wps in my cvs repository |
| 15:37:46 | B4gder | use cvs update -P to get it removed |
| 15:38:02 | B4gder | that's why -dP should be used |
| 15:38:24 | LinusN | Jungti1234: i don't understand |
| 15:38:31 | Jungti1234 | hmm -_-; |
| 15:38:40 | tucoz | LinusN: check http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/wps/ |
| 15:38:47 | Jungti1234 | In directory list |
| 15:39:03 | B4gder | tucoz: what's the problem with it? |
| 15:39:16 | Jungti1234 | If choose a song that is played now and press jog button |
| 15:39:20 | linuxstb | tucoz: The WPS files were initially place there, and then moved. That's why there is that directory in cvs. |
| 15:39:38 | tucoz | B4gder: nothing. :) I was just trying to figure out where to put the .cfg files for the themes |
| 15:39:42 | Drumrboy|away | No mp3 support yet right? if there will be, you know when? |
| 15:39:44 | Jungti1234 | A been playing song begins from first again now. |
| 15:39:54 | B4gder | tucoz: you don't put .cfg files anywhere |
| 15:39:56 | LinusN | Drumrboy|away: see the channel topic |
| 15:39:57 | B4gder | they are generated |
| 15:40:03 | Jungti1234 | Can you edit it? |
| 15:40:11 | tucoz | I see |
| 15:40:15 | Drumrboy|away | i know, im sorry. just really anxious... sorry |
| 15:40:21 | B4gder | tucoz: see the wps module, and the WPSLIST file |
| 15:40:29 | tucoz | B4gder: thanks |
| 15:40:38 | LinusN | Jungti1234: why do you want to change it? |
| 15:41:45 | Jungti1234 | While see list as hearing a song, if put out list fast, press jog button. |
| 15:42:00 | Jungti1234 | It is accustomed to original firmware. |
| 15:42:17 | B4gder | Jungti1234: get used to it, Rockbox is not the original firmware |
| 15:42:17 | LinusN | press Play to get back to the wps |
| 15:42:39 | Jungti1234 | haha.. ok |
| 15:43:10 | Jungti1234 | It's my way of thinking. |
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| 15:44:54 | tucoz | Jungti1234, when you have used Rockbox for a while, I am sure that you will like it better that the original firmware |
| 15:45:05 | tucoz | *than |
| 15:45:31 | Jungti1234 | :) |
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| 16:01:23 | * | lamed <nags about screen scroll> |
| 16:01:50 | * | lamed <as he said he'll do> |
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| 16:04:02 | * | LinusN ignores lamed, as he uses to |
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| 16:06:37 | lamed | bah |
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| 16:07:01 | * | lamed kindelty |
| 16:07:04 | Cassandra | What do people normally use for editing BDF fonts? |
| 16:07:05 | lamed | damn |
| 16:07:24 | lamed | there's some font editor described in the wiki |
| 16:07:34 | * | amiconn uses olde pfaedit |
| 16:07:53 | amiconn | (predecessor of fontforge) |
| 16:08:00 | * | lamed kindly asks linusN if he found the time to go through the code... |
| 16:08:27 | Cassandra | I can't seem to work out how to change the widths of individual chars in a BDF font using fontforge. |
| 16:08:37 | Cassandra | It really does have terrible documentation. |
| 16:11:06 | lamed | that's why i've stopped using xemacs. so user-unfriendly. |
| 16:11:34 | B4gder | yes, plain emacs is much better! B-] |
| 16:11:47 | Cassandra | emacs isn't meant to be friendly. Using it is supposed to make you into a man, or somthing. |
| 16:11:57 | preglow | the steaming turd of the editor world |
| 16:12:05 | Cassandra | (I stopped using xemacs because it took so bloody long to load.) |
| 16:12:10 | preglow | sane people use vim |
| 16:12:11 | preglow | :-) |
| 16:12:19 | B4gder | emacs has basically been on my screen every day for the last 13 years or so |
| 16:12:25 | Cassandra | preglow, vim is really no better. |
| 16:12:32 | preglow | Cassandra: loads faster, at least |
| 16:12:44 | B4gder | loads? who quits the editor? ;-) |
| 16:12:48 | preglow | and it's possible to use it without having to be an expert |
| 16:12:58 | B4gder | start it only after reboots ;-) |
| 16:13:13 | Cassandra | For those of you at home who've just joined us, welcome to 'editor wars', a frequent argument among programmers. |
| 16:13:29 | * | preglow gases up the flamethrower |
| 16:13:44 | * | B4gder puts on his absestos underwear |
| 16:14:15 | Cassandra | I've never found a UNIX editor I like. |
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| 16:16:26 | lamed | 1 |
| 16:17:09 | Cassandra | Come to think of it, I still pine for the IBM internal 'e' editor. (And 'epm', the OS/2 version.) Best compromise between power and usability I've ever come across. |
| 16:17:20 | solexx | I tried Gnus a few day ago |
| 16:17:33 | solexx | but it took 30 minutes to load a single IMAP mailbox |
| 16:17:38 | B4gder | http://www.contactor.se/~dast/frexxed/ |
| 16:17:39 | LinusN | frexxed still rules ;-) |
| 16:17:40 | B4gder | ;-) |
| 16:17:46 | B4gder | hahaha |
| 16:19:54 | Cassandra | This Daniel Sternberg guy sounds like a real loser though. |
| 16:20:09 | preglow | sternberg, haha |
| 16:21:03 | Cassandra | You know, sometimes I think I must be borderline dislexic. |
| 16:21:17 | Cassandra | Or dyslexic, even. |
| 16:21:22 | tucoz | haha |
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| 16:21:36 | B4gder | not me, I mean I'm not at all using a nick that is alsost a word |
| 16:21:44 | B4gder | almost |
| 16:22:41 | Cassandra | And you know exactly how much that confuses me. ;) |
| 16:23:03 | Cassandra | Cute daughter though. |
| 16:23:09 | B4gder | :-) |
| 16:25:15 | tucoz | B4gder, you calculated the lines of code for rockbox, and what the price of that would be in a commercial context. How did you do that? |
| 16:25:24 | preglow | there's a tool for it |
| 16:26:18 | B4gder | and sloccount is its name |
| 16:26:32 | tucoz | thanks |
| 16:27:08 | B4gder | Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 219,928 |
| 16:27:14 | B4gder | Total Estimated Cost to Develop = $ 7,781,014 |
| 16:27:35 | tucoz | hehe, a tidy sum I must say |
| 16:27:36 | preglow | SLOC? |
| 16:27:43 | preglow | is that some kind of formal unit, or what? |
| 16:27:43 | tucoz | Source Lines Of Code |
| 16:27:45 | B4gder | source lines of code I think |
| 16:27:47 | tucoz | probably |
| 16:27:59 | preglow | like skipping braces alone on aline, or something :) |
| 16:28:32 | B4gder | well, how to count is always debated |
| 16:28:43 | B4gder | but using a single tool is a good way |
| 16:29:11 | ashridah | yay, metrics |
| 16:29:59 | Cassandra | It's going to be an underestimate anyway. |
| 16:30:09 | Cassandra | Since many lines of code have been changed/removed. |
| 16:32:03 | lamed | and i'f you'll install couple of patches you might get like a hundred bucks for it |
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| 16:36:58 | eli_sherer | Hello everyone, I just made my first "rock" plugin... |
| 16:37:06 | B4gder | congratulations |
| 16:37:15 | Cassandra | Congrats. What does it do? |
| 16:37:16 | B4gder | does it rock? ;-) |
| 16:37:24 | eli_sherer | it does... |
| 16:37:33 | eli_sherer | it's RockPaint if you heard of it... |
| 16:37:45 | eli_sherer | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=32092 |
| 16:37:48 | eli_sherer | only for H300.. sorry |
| 16:38:07 | eli_sherer | because it's color |
| 16:38:09 | * | B4gder needs a color LCD target |
| 16:38:31 | lamed | linusn: here? |
| 16:38:41 | eli_sherer | i made myself a mission to make as many color plugins i can for the h300! |
| 16:38:52 | Cassandra | You and me both, Bagder. |
| 16:38:57 | B4gder | eli_sherer: that's the spirit! |
| 16:39:43 | eli_sherer | h300 owners are getting bored by the current plugins because their all b/w except "cube" lol |
| 16:39:56 | LinusN | lamed: yes |
| 16:40:21 | B4gder | eli_sherer: well, you can of course colorise them |
| 16:40:22 | Cassandra | See this is the problem - owners of colour MP3 players obviously have a short attention span. |
| 16:40:35 | LinusN | Cassandra: :-) |
| 16:40:52 | Cassandra | Personally I use Rockbox for playing music. Weird, I know, but there you have it. |
| 16:41:13 | B4gder | you freak ;-) |
| 16:41:15 | LinusN | Cassandra: you're getting old, that's it |
| 16:41:18 | eli_sherer | :-) |
| 16:41:37 | eli_sherer | to play music we have the original OS |
| 16:41:42 | LinusN | lol |
| 16:41:57 | Cassandra | LinusN, I've known that for years. ;) |
| 16:42:09 | LinusN | many, many years... |
| 16:42:29 | Cassandra | Pah - I think you're about the same age as me. |
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| 16:43:09 | LinusN | roughly |
| 16:43:24 | eli_sherer | LinusN: there are rumors you mangaed to hear something on the H300 with RB... |
| 16:43:31 | LinusN | yes |
| 16:43:53 | eli_sherer | is it released yet? |
| 16:44:04 | * | Cassandra wonders if "Why isn't fontforge written in C++ really is a *Frequenty* asked question. |
| 16:44:06 | lamed | linusn: remember saying something about new menu system? was it just a thought to the future or something that happening? |
| 16:44:40 | LinusN | lamed: refresh my memory |
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| 16:47:18 | markun | B4gder: buy a Gigabeat if you need colors, then I'm not lonely.. |
| 16:47:37 | B4gder | not a bad idea |
| 16:47:44 | B4gder | so many new fun targets to consider |
| 16:47:46 | * | Cassandra will take any colour MP3 player anyone gives her. |
| 16:47:49 | eli_sherer | nothing beats H300s |
| 16:48:02 | markun | Gigabeat + rockbox will beat it |
| 16:48:14 | B4gder | gigabeat does have much more impressive specs |
| 16:48:16 | eli_sherer | whats a Gigabeat |
| 16:48:33 | markun | Although it doesn't have radio or digital out or lcd remote.. |
| 16:48:43 | tucoz | this might be a stupid question, but does the gigabeat have a fpu? |
| 16:48:54 | markun | no, it doesn't |
| 16:49:07 | B4gder | most h3x0 users have no lcd remote either |
| 16:49:16 | markun | eli_sherer: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatInfo |
| 16:49:37 | markun | but for the gigabeat it's not even possible I think. |
| 16:50:19 | B4gder | time to run! |
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| 16:50:32 | markun | moo |
| 16:52:02 | Cassandra | Annoyingly most modern stereos don't seem to have digital in. |
| 16:52:14 | NicoFR | <eli_sherer> Hello everyone, I just made my first "rock" plugin... |
| 16:52:15 | Cassandra | This includes my rather nice one. :( |
| 16:52:27 | eli_sherer | the remote i got with my H320 is enough for my "remote control" needs |
| 16:52:32 | NicoFR | eli_sherer: do you mean i'ts already functional ? |
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| 16:53:08 | eli_sherer | yes, its up for download on the first post on the link i gave (MisticRiver, H3x0 Rockbox,...) |
| 16:53:55 | NicoFR | oh I didn't see that.. |
| 16:54:03 | NicoFR | thx |
| 16:54:12 | eli_sherer | no load,save...function like that (if that what you ment) |
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| 16:55:17 | ^BeN^ | eli_sherer private |
| 16:55:18 | NicoFR | well I didn't really expect a finished product that quickly ;-) |
| 16:55:36 | eli_sherer | it'll be nice to get some feedback on the interface and how to improve it |
| 16:55:46 | NicoFR | I'm going to try it now |
| 16:56:05 | linuxstb | eli_sherer: How does the UI work at the moment? Do you emulate a mouse? |
| 16:56:07 | eli_sherer | good luck...it's really simple so it can't screw with your player...hehe |
| 16:56:42 | eli_sherer | a xor pixel moves with the arrow keys and the palette on the bottom has a cursor that moves with the REC and A-B |
| 16:56:51 | eli_sherer | NAVI paints |
| 16:57:08 | eli_sherer | PLAY clears screen |
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| 16:58:04 | eli_sherer | my idea right now is to make two states that one is drawing and the other is menu select and PLAY will get you to that menu |
| 16:58:24 | eli_sherer | that way i could dump the left toolbar and save space for drawing :) |
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| 16:59:16 | lamed | linusn: external files for every menu item, clicking on it calls the apropriate function... that way users can easily edit their own menus... |
| 16:59:51 | NicoFR | eli_sherer : very nice |
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| 17:00:01 | eli_sherer | thanks... |
| 17:00:17 | NicoFR | it's good having a full screen plugin in color :) |
| 17:00:46 | LinusN | lamed: quite cumbersome imho |
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| 17:01:22 | LinusN | lamed: and it makes it hard to translate |
| 17:01:29 | LinusN | lamed: and to voice |
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| 17:02:45 | lamed | i'm almost positive it was _your_ idea... maybe i'm wrong. it does seems like a good way to have the avrage user just renaming files though. arranging by numbers at the start of filename. nm. |
| 17:02:52 | Jungti1234 | What is 'Gain'? |
| 17:02:55 | preglow | LinusN: hard to translate? the user himself has to deal with that by calling the menu file name what it's called in the current locale |
| 17:03:07 | Jungti1234 | It marks by dB. |
| 17:03:22 | lamed | preglow: yes but then what about changing languages? |
| 17:03:33 | tucoz | The way linuxstb made it? I think that works great, but maybe it is not the right way to do it. |
| 17:03:54 | eli_sherer | i think the current menu is perfect though it is important that it would be arranged or have GUI |
| 17:04:03 | lamed | so it was linuxstb. i most memorize that. |
| 17:04:15 | LinusN | eli_sherer: "or have GUI"? |
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| 17:04:25 | preglow | changing languages becomes problematic |
| 17:04:32 | eli_sherer | with BMPs (eye candy) |
| 17:04:51 | eli_sherer | i mean like iriver's |
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| 17:05:03 | San | eli_sherer <−− It WORKS! |
| 17:05:10 | lamed | damn html irc form |
| 17:05:10 | San | the rockpaint works |
| 17:05:12 | San | thanks man |
| 17:05:14 | LinusN | i'd much rather concentrate on the ear candy |
| 17:05:14 | San | it is cool |
| 17:05:20 | eli_sherer | San: wheeee... |
| 17:05:24 | San | lol |
| 17:05:35 | eli_sherer | it'll be more cool the next version |
| 17:05:37 | San | but, are you going to make the option for bigger brushes? |
| 17:05:56 | eli_sherer | i am in the army so i dont get to work on it as much as i want to |
| 17:06:04 | San | aah |
| 17:06:10 | San | could you send me the source code though? |
| 17:06:10 | eli_sherer | yes i thought of that and even make the cursor larger... |
| 17:06:27 | eli_sherer | "could you send me the source code though?" -nope |
| 17:06:31 | San | ok |
| 17:06:32 | San | np |
| 17:07:03 | * | LinusN mumbles....gpl..... |
| 17:07:35 | * | preglow joins in on the mumbling |
| 17:07:36 | Moos | eli_sherer: when your plugin it will be commit, he will ;) |
| 17:07:54 | amiconn | LinusN: [17:05:33] <lamed> damn html irc form <== Any chance of seeing CGI::IRC updated on the server? |
| 17:08:10 | eli_sherer | well your right i just think it's too soon |
| 17:08:32 | LinusN | sure |
| 17:08:36 | ^BeN^ | eli_sherer in which programming language you write the plugin? |
| 17:08:48 | eli_sherer | C of course |
| 17:08:54 | ^BeN^ | ahh ok |
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| 17:09:28 | amiconn | Oh, and LinusN, sorry that I am pestering again, but there are still no windows installer builds... |
| 17:09:41 | lamed | linusn: if a user dosen't know the meaning of a menu item, (replaygain/crossfade/caption backlight) - he has to check the manual. not so userfriendly. I agree that gui menu with sometimes large icons might be a good way... and it has to let the user rearrange the menus. (seems rather wierd FM menu / playlist / recording is on Buttom). furthermore, i was thinking of a "quick help" plugin/widget, that with a certin button introduce the explanation from t |
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| 17:11:18 | ^BeN^ | linus, its more safe now to install the rockbox on my h3xx? |
| 17:11:36 | lamed | i mean, there should be some code that puts the wikimanual in the build, and clicking that button will show you the corrosponding place in the manual. |
| 17:11:48 | lamed | your thoughts?\ |
| 17:11:49 | Jungti1234 | Is today Thanksgiving Day? |
| 17:12:07 | lamed | wasn't that yesturday? |
| 17:12:24 | preglow | lamed: well, there's a reason the manual is there at all |
| 17:12:35 | tucoz | ^BeN^, it is the same bootloader, so I think not |
| 17:12:47 | ^BeN^ | ok |
| 17:13:01 | webguest43 | Hello |
| 17:13:36 | lamed | preglow: don't you suppose people would appericate if you shouldn't go all through the manual to find something specific? let's say a long MODE click on an item will show it's description. |
| 17:13:54 | webguest43 | I've got one wps question please, phaedrus961 helped me few weeks ago, but I deleted the file :( |
| 17:14:39 | preglow | lamed: sure, it'd be neat, but i don't think it's very high priority, the manual is there, after all |
| 17:14:49 | preglow | if i don't understand something about a thing, i read the manual |
| 17:15:31 | lamed | _You_ know _everything_ about the system... |
| 17:15:56 | webguest43 | how can I replace: %s%?it<%?in<%in.l>%itl%fn> by the same line without the track num info? please |
| 17:16:15 | webguest43 | l for vertical bar |
| 17:17:10 | preglow | preglow: i wasn't speaking about rockbox, i was speaking about things in general |
| 17:17:15 | preglow | yes, talking to myself |
| 17:17:16 | preglow | lamed, that is |
| 17:17:34 | preglow | lamed: i am, believe or not, not fully proficient in every type of gadget out there and do need to read manuals sometimes |
| 17:17:55 | preglow | i don't think that's user-unfriendly |
| 17:17:58 | webguest43 | phaedrus961: you around? |
| 17:18:25 | lamed | anyways, linusn, preglow, i'm still waiting for your replys about (hate to say that again) my screen scroll patch. I'll have plenty of time tommrow to make adjustments if you'll say something, I just won't have an internet access so i'm asking today. |
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| 17:19:00 | webguest68 | ninja |
| 17:19:04 | webguest43 | can someone can help me with my WPS problem please ? |
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| 17:19:44 | lamed | preglow: I still think that mere clicking the mode button over "replaygain" menu item, is very simple and probably help you to clear out most fuss. |
| 17:20:14 | preglow | lamed: problem is there's a whole infrastructure problem there that needs a lot of work |
| 17:20:35 | preglow | the manual needs to exist in a form usable for this, unless you propose we need to update both the manual and the help strings in rockbox at the same time |
| 17:20:53 | preglow | we also need to use a lot space, and space we do not have lots of on archos platforms |
| 17:21:26 | preglow | feel free to work on it if you want, like i said, i think it sounds neat, but i for one don't mind looking in a manual |
| 17:22:03 | LinusN | i have updated cgiirc to 0.5.7 |
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| 17:22:44 | linuxstb_ | ++++++++ |
| 17:22:48 | linuxstb_ | :) |
| 17:22:50 | LinusN | weeeee |
| 17:22:51 | linuxstb_ | It works. |
| 17:22:56 | lamedd | can i type + |
| 17:22:57 | lamedd | yey |
| 17:22:59 | lamedd | hehehe |
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| 17:23:29 | lamedd | way the go.. and i don't get the 1/4 of type line error anymore. |
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| 17:24:03 | webguest43 | anyone help me please? |
| 17:24:11 | webguest43 | +can |
| 17:25:07 | lamed | anyways, preglow, i was making that screen scroll and star plugin fix just because people like yourself told me "if you want, you can do it yourself"... now I have to update manually every time unless it's ever to be in the source... |
| 17:25:22 | webguest43 | Hey cut/past work now :) line problem: %s%?it<%?in<%in.|>%it|%fn> (want to remove track num info) |
| 17:25:27 | preglow | lamed: i didn't say it would ever be in the source, did i |
| 17:25:48 | lamed | preglow: of course not... |
| 17:25:55 | preglow | then what are you complaining about? |
| 17:25:58 | preglow | things take time |
| 17:26:08 | preglow | fixing other peoples patches arount the most fun thing in the world |
| 17:26:13 | preglow | and i'm looking at yours now |
| 17:26:46 | preglow | problem is i know nothing about this part of rockbox, i can't read the source and say if it breaks anything, the only thing i can do is verify it works |
| 17:27:32 | webguest43 | phaedrus961: when you'll read this, can you help me again please about how to remove the tracknum info from the WPS line code mentioned, I will read the logs, thanks in advance |
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| 17:27:42 | preglow | i've commited things that turned out to break other things before, and it's not something i want to repeat too often |
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| 17:29:09 | preglow | and btw, why do you use unsigned chars for strings? is that a rockboy policy or something? |
| 17:29:16 | preglow | rockboX |
| 17:29:39 | lamed | preglow: i'm sure it's hell ain't fun... as i said, i only try to understand how you work around (and i mean, the project as a whole) all those comments, patches, and wanted options. that's why i'm trying to discuss before changing something, so i'll know what might/wont be accepted. |
| 17:29:42 | lamed | preglow: where? |
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| 17:30:17 | preglow | screen_access.h |
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| 17:30:37 | lamed | preglow: i can direct you to |
| 17:30:38 | lamed | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=439120&group_id=44306&aid=1360892 |
| 17:30:53 | preglow | seems rockbox does it other places as well, oh well |
| 17:30:53 | lamed | where i've mentioned some problems that still exists. |
| 17:30:57 | lamed | line? |
| 17:31:01 | preglow | forget it |
| 17:31:34 | lamed | i have to retrive the file... |
| 17:31:38 | lamed | not using my computer |
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| 17:33:57 | sike | is there need of a dutch language file? |
| 17:34:17 | eli_sherer | just finished v0.2 of RockPaint! |
| 17:34:51 | linuxstb | sike: There is already one. I don't know how up to date it is though, or if it has an active maintainer. |
| 17:34:55 | preglow | lamed: do offset_step and offset_out_if_view really need default values? i would have thought the settings system initalised then with the defaults anyway |
| 17:35:14 | preglow | i think markun has dealth with the dutch file |
| 17:35:19 | preglow | dealt, even |
| 17:35:33 | lamed | preglow: unsigned chars where like that in the source. i've just made new functions there (the ones with the _offset of course)\ |
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| 17:35:53 | preglow | lamed: but yeah, line 224 and 225, is that necessary? |
| 17:36:06 | preglow | i ask out of curiosity, i have no idea myself |
| 17:37:10 | lamed | preglow: yes, you are right on that. I just looked at the integer of scroll step (that's not the name, i can't look at the code) being somewhere set to defult 6. |
| 17:37:43 | preglow | lamed: because you set defaults for it in the settings system as well, yes? i would have thought these would be set anyway |
| 17:38:51 | markun | never used the dutch translation |
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| 17:40:01 | lamed | i've just did everything like it was in the normal scroll step value. yes, it doesn't have to be there, but that just the way it was. |
| 17:40:09 | lamed | i'm retriving the code to find lines 224.. |
| 17:43:34 | eli_sherer | rockpaint v0.2 is now up for d/l!!!! |
| 17:45:13 | lamed | preglow: what's in those lines? can't find out how to access line number with word. |
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| 17:46:54 | preglow | lamed: 'static int offset_step = 15' |
| 17:47:24 | preglow | you also do a bit of pointless syntactic stuff, like removing one space here and there, move a bracket here and there |
| 17:47:26 | NicoFR | eli_sherer: isn't the cross a little big ? |
| 17:47:53 | lamed | preglow: yeah... i can clear up the patchfile from those. |
| 17:48:54 | preglow | lamed: it's ok to prettify the source, i'd just like that to be in a separate patch |
| 17:49:37 | lamed | you mean, i should upload one file "prettified" and the other stright out..? |
| 17:50:07 | markun | lamed: do you use ms word to edit text files? |
| 17:50:17 | eli_sherer | NicoFR: that's why i need feedback to know if something im doing is worth chaning.. |
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| 17:51:59 | lamed | yey! an editor! markum: hell no. most of the time bloodshed dev cpp but i don't like it - no split window editing / gui gdb an exe. so i'm looking for something better for a long time. |
| 17:53:04 | lamed | preglow: no line 224 at screen_access.h/c |
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| 17:53:33 | lamed | you mean in list.c |
| 17:53:39 | lamed | ah |
| 17:54:40 | NicoFR | eli_sherer:welle, it's nice having a cross, definitly better than a point... it's just a little big |
| 17:55:00 | linuxstb | eli_sherer: Why are you not publishing the source? |
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| 17:55:15 | lamed_ | preglow: line 265: void gui_list_screen_scroll_step |
| 17:55:54 | lamed_ | i had to 'copy' the value from the global_settings. otherwise i had to put it in the RAM area of the global settings. |
| 17:56:17 | preglow | lamed_: i meant in the patch |
| 17:56:35 | preglow | but anywho, i've gotta make dinner |
| 17:56:38 | lamed_ | i've checked it with couple of other functions. things like the scrollbar/statusbar are set in the ram.... | what do you mean in the patch |
| 17:57:08 | San | do pictures work on the H300 yet? There is a post on MR asking what size the images need to be. |
| 17:57:28 | Philip | i don't think so... |
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| 17:57:36 | San | kk |
| 17:57:48 | San | http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/3575/cimg41226ui.jpg |
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| 17:57:54 | San | rockpaint works anyway |
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| 17:58:21 | eli_sherer | linuxstb: because i dont have an organised way of uploading it every time i change a little thing |
| 17:59:32 | Philip | where did you get that, misticriver?? |
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| 18:00:31 | linuxstb | eli_sherer: Just include it in the zip file with the .rock |
| 18:01:20 | lamed_ | anyhow, preglow, the stuff i've made about that part was just made after other functions that i've found. lcd-h100.c:85: static int scroll_step = 6; and line 1127: void lcd_scroll_step(int step), helps clearify why i did that. |
| 18:01:30 | lamed_ | later all |
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| 18:06:15 | eli_sherer | well v0.3 is out with more changed (smaller cursor and cursor now moves repeatedly) |
| 18:06:46 | Philip | and i had literally just downloaded v0.2.... |
| 18:08:23 | preglow | you're going fast at an 1.0 release here |
| 18:10:57 | eli_sherer | preglow: there isn't so much to do until v1.0 (except bmp files which will boost the by 0.5...) |
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| 18:25:23 | amiconn | preglow: There is nothing written about it, but the rockbox policy is (seems to be) that firmware code has its own internal settings which are read/written via access functions |
| 18:25:38 | amiconn | app code is allowed to access golbal_settings directly |
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| 18:33:15 | toolmanwill | got something i just noticed in the iriver h300 series manual and was wondering if this could have any effect on rockbox/iriver fw startup. |
| 18:33:30 | toolmanwill | it says : Do not press two buttons on the product or remote controller simultaneously. The product may malfunction. |
| 18:37:50 | toolmanwill | also, i've posted about it on forum and misticriver, Can anyone fix the peakmeter when returning from the recording screen? It stops working and you must reboot to get it working again. just loaded 11/25 build and its still doing the same. |
| 18:40:51 | toolmanwill | thats for the H100 builds |
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| 18:54:22 | HCl | lol @ the thing in the manual |
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| 19:03:11 | LinusN | amiconn: can you check this? http://www.rockbox.org/daily/install/Rockbox-20051124-install.exe |
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| 19:25:07 | webguest43 | can someone help me out with the unicode patch? |
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| 19:25:23 | webguest43 | i'm using takka's 11/22 patch and it doesnt work on the latest cvs |
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| 19:28:39 | Yokalosh | dudes, i know you probably get this question a lot but will Rockbox ever be made for the iRiver PMP-120??? |
| 19:28:57 | Yokalosh | i used to have an archos jbr 10 with rockbox on it... that is, until it blew up |
| 19:30:46 | amiconn | LinusN: The installer seems to work okay. |
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| 19:31:25 | amiconn | It even handles /.rockbox/wps although that didn't exist when the installer was last modified |
| 19:31:46 | amiconn | s/installer/installer build script/ |
| 19:32:07 | amiconn | Perhaps we should add iriver support to it... |
| 19:35:06 | Rick | PMP? |
| 19:35:07 | Rick | oh |
| 19:35:09 | Rick | personal media player? |
| 19:35:18 | Jungti1234 | yes |
| 19:35:25 | Rick | (: |
| 19:36:24 | Jungti1234 | It's portable multimedia player. |
| 19:37:07 | Jungti1234 | What is 'BiDi Hebrew/Arabic'? |
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| 19:40:57 | tucoz | Jungti1234, BiDi means Bi-Directional. Hebrew and Arabic is written from right to left |
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| 19:44:01 | webguest43 | that bidi seems to have some conflicts with the unicode patch... |
| 19:44:41 | tucoz | webguest43, markun made a patch today against the current cvs |
| 19:45:21 | markun | webguest43: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/unicode2.diff |
| 19:45:50 | webguest43 | ah |
| 19:45:52 | webguest43 | thank you |
| 19:46:02 | markun | hope it works |
| 19:46:14 | webguest43 | i'll try right now |
| 19:46:16 | markun | it doesn't work on H3xx btw.. |
| 19:46:24 | webguest43 | i have h120 :) |
| 19:46:27 | markun | good |
| 19:47:25 | webguest43 | btw, do you know how to convert back the rb files to bmps? |
| 19:48:05 | tucoz | webguest43, I think you have to make a screendump for that. But.. I am not sure |
| 19:48:21 | tucoz | do you mean the splash btw? |
| 19:48:25 | webguest43 | yes |
| 19:48:28 | amiconn | Hmm. |
| 19:48:31 | webguest43 | someone made a thread about that |
| 19:48:39 | webguest43 | so i posted mine but |
| 19:48:43 | * | amiconn noticed that screendump doesn't dump the remote lcd... |
| 19:48:44 | webguest43 | i lost the original bmps |
| 19:48:54 | webguest43 | right, i noticed that too :) |
| 19:49:08 | webguest43 | well, actually my splashes are for the main one |
| 19:49:47 | webguest43 | i used to replace the originals with mine but got tired of doing it since new sources come out everyday :p |
| 19:50:03 | webguest43 | thought about making a patch but dont know how :( |
| 19:50:16 | tucoz | That is quite easy |
| 19:50:54 | webguest43 | making a patch that replaces the splashes? |
| 19:50:56 | _FireFly_ | webguest43: if you use cvs your changes didn't get deleted unless the particular sources didn't get modified on the place which you has modified |
| 19:51:36 | _FireFly_ | webguest43: you can also simply make a patch when using cvs |
| 19:51:50 | webguest43 | i've heard about this cvs update -dP or something but not clear on how to use it |
| 19:52:00 | webguest43 | and how would i make the patch? |
| 19:52:35 | tucoz | do you use cvs? |
| 19:52:36 | _FireFly_ | with cvs simply cvs diff -u ><your-patch>.patch |
| 19:53:03 | webguest43 | yes i use cvs |
| 19:53:19 | webguest43 | no i mean, what do i write on the patch file? |
| 19:53:30 | webguest43 | all i have is the rb version of my splashes |
| 19:53:51 | _FireFly_ | what do you mean with write on the patch file ?? |
| 19:56:14 | _FireFly_ | webguest43: checkout the latest version from cvs -> replace the logo with yours -> run following command in the root of the sources: cvs diff -u > my-logo.patch (my-logo is only an example filename) |
| 19:56:30 | webguest43 | ah |
| 19:56:52 | webguest43 | so if i do that, i get a patch file with everything i've patched so far? |
| 19:56:58 | _FireFly_ | yepp |
| 19:57:55 | webguest43 | nice, i'm gonna try that right now :) |
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| 20:00:37 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 20:03:06 | webguest43 | hi |
| 20:04:41 | webguest43 | _FireFly_: is it supposed to take a long time? |
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| 20:11:37 | Jungti1234 | hmm.. |
| 20:12:07 | Jungti1234 | The South Korea is 4:11 now. |
| 20:12:35 | Jungti1234 | I stayed up all night. |
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| 20:13:07 | Sando | :) |
| 20:13:37 | amiconn_ | Wee, +++−−-+++ and such a long input box :-) |
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| 20:16:39 | _FireFly_ | what was that ?? |
| 20:16:47 | Jungti1234 | I completed Korean translation. |
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| 20:17:00 | Sando | ??? |
| 20:21:14 | Rick | Jungti1234: cool (: |
| 20:21:23 | Jungti1234 | hehe |
| 20:21:27 | Jungti1234 | thanks |
| 20:22:03 | Sando | i stayed up all night as well - it's 6:21 here right now D: |
| 20:22:35 | amiconn | _FireFly_: Just testing the updated web client. |
| 20:22:36 | Jungti1234 | wow.. |
| 20:22:50 | _FireFly_ | amiconn ahja ;= |
| 20:22:53 | _FireFly_ | ;) |
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| 20:26:26 | Jungti1234 | ahja? |
| 20:26:37 | Jungti1234 | Is it Korean? :) |
| 20:26:42 | _FireFly_ | no |
| 20:26:46 | Jungti1234 | hahaha |
| 20:26:52 | _FireFly_ | german |
| 20:26:58 | Jungti1234 | ah... |
| 20:27:00 | Jungti1234 | good night |
| 20:27:06 | Jungti1234 | bye |
| 20:27:09 | _FireFly_ | good night Jungti1234 |
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| 20:27:33 | webguest43 | is there a way to patch that quickmenu to .cfg patch? |
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| 20:46:15 | ^BeN^ | can i view pictures with rockbox firmware? |
| 20:46:37 | tucoz | Yes, jpegs at least |
| 20:47:00 | ^BeN^ | ok =] |
| 20:47:01 | tucoz | But, I do not think that it works on the h300 yet |
| 20:47:09 | ^BeN^ | ahh |
| 20:47:10 | ^BeN^ | ok |
| 20:47:25 | ^BeN^ | i have an h300 |
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| 20:48:05 | tucoz | I see. Well, then you'll have to wait for that :) |
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| 20:51:37 | ^BeN^ | =] |
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| 21:12:27 | Acksaw | the 1.28k link in the wiki needs fixing |
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| 21:20:18 | tucoz | Acksaw, it is a wiki. You can change it if you want |
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| 21:21:47 | Jungti1234 | hahaha |
| 21:22:29 | tucoz | Jungti1234, I thought you went to bed |
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| 21:22:52 | Raskolnikov | hi all |
| 21:22:55 | Jungti1234 | afkafkafka |
| 21:23:07 | tucoz | Hi |
| 21:23:28 | Raskolnikov | i have a question |
| 21:23:30 | Jungti1234 | I ate instant noodle. |
| 21:23:42 | Jungti1234 | Is full. |
| 21:23:43 | Raskolnikov | does rockbox support gain also for ogg files? |
| 21:24:16 | Jungti1234 | bye |
| 21:24:20 | tucoz | I don't know |
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| 21:24:41 | tucoz | I think so, but not sure |
| 21:25:19 | Raskolnikov | ok |
| 21:25:42 | tucoz | what is that called anyway? |
| 21:25:52 | Raskolnikov | vorbis gain |
| 21:25:57 | tucoz | replaygain is for mp3's right? |
| 21:28:46 | Raskolnikov | yes, i think so |
| 21:29:05 | markun | mp3gain for mp3, vorbisgain for ogg, both implement replaygain |
| 21:29:05 | | Nick CBM-away is now known as CheeseBurgerMan (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) |
| 21:29:31 | Raskolnikov | so it also works on rockbox? |
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| 21:33:39 | tremac | slm nas0131ls0131n0131z ark. |
| 21:33:54 | _FireFly_ | tremac: english please |
| 21:34:10 | tremac | helle frends |
| 21:34:23 | tremac | hello frends |
| 21:34:33 | CheeseBurgerMan | Hello |
| 21:34:45 | tremac | how are you |
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| 21:35:39 | Cassandra | _firefly_: that quick screen bug fix of yours working properly now? |
| 21:35:55 | _FireFly_ | Cassandra: yepp |
| 21:37:12 | Cassandra | OK - I'll have another go with it in a minute. |
| 21:37:18 | _FireFly_ | ok |
| 21:38:18 | Cassandra | Got my remote back too. |
| 21:38:26 | _FireFly_ | :) |
| 21:40:04 | * | Cassandra wonders why amiconn has submitted a patch. |
| 21:42:24 | XavierGr | Linus asked him to do so. |
| 21:43:04 | * | Cassandra wonders why Linus asked him to. |
| 21:43:37 | CheeseBurgerMan | lol |
| 21:43:38 | XavierGr | it's related to H300s LCD |
| 21:43:53 | XavierGr | I think |
| 21:44:03 | Cassandra | The odd thing is that amiconn has write access to CVS. |
| 21:44:17 | Cassandra | Hence the confusion over the need for a patch submission. |
| 21:44:32 | XavierGr | I know that, but they didn't want to commit it, just to test |
| 21:44:57 | XavierGr | so Linus could go to the tracker and test the patch. Then amiconn update it e.t.c |
| 21:45:03 | XavierGr | iirc! |
| 21:45:35 | Cassandra | Ah, right. |
| 21:46:47 | Cassandra | I was going to commit a new font, but I can't figure out how to make it proportial rather than monospaced. |
| 21:47:27 | Cassandra | proportional, even. |
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| 21:57:26 | preglow | amiconn: i was just meaning there's no poing in initialising the variables with default values, since the settings system will initialise them anyway |
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| 22:18:45 | Cassandra | _FireFly_, looking good on H1xx, just going to check for other platforms. |
| 22:18:55 | _FireFly_ | k |
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| 22:23:53 | Cassandra | Right, now I have a kickass idea for context sensitive help. Got to see if it's workable though. |
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| 22:55:01 | schnittn2005 | hello |
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| 22:55:09 | Bagder | hey |
| 22:55:18 | schnittn2005 | bdger? |
| 22:55:21 | schnittn2005 | badger |
| 22:55:26 | preglow | where!? |
| 22:55:33 | schnittn2005 | sorry... bagder |
| 22:55:38 | Bagder | :-) |
| 22:55:45 | schnittn2005 | i was just wondering if my mirc has problems |
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| 22:55:53 | schnittn2005 | because when i entered the room |
| 22:56:02 | schnittn2005 | i saw nobody writing |
| 22:56:18 | preglow | no people writing in my room |
| 22:56:29 | schnittn2005 | in mean in THIS room |
| 22:56:34 | preglow | :) |
| 22:57:30 | Bagder | the term is actually "channel" in IRC, not "room" |
| 22:57:32 | schnittn2005 | i was hoping to read maybe just a few interesting statements ab out the rb-development |
| 22:57:40 | schnittn2005 | yeah, right |
| 22:57:41 | Bagder | not that it matters much |
| 22:58:06 | preglow | it's pretty quiet here now |
| 22:58:10 | schnittn2005 | :( |
| 22:58:22 | preglow | though i'm about to do some hyper-exciting musepack debugging |
| 22:58:25 | Bagder | people pretend they have lifes |
| 22:58:34 | preglow | you might catch some developer related whining in about half an hour |
| 22:58:37 | Cassandra | What's the minimum number of greyscale 'colours' we have to work with? |
| 22:59:02 | tucoz | 2? |
| 22:59:12 | Moos | preglow: hi, w00t :) |
| 22:59:20 | Cassandra | I meant in stuff that uses the greyscale library, sorry. |
| 22:59:23 | tucoz | lightgray, darkgray, black and no-color? |
| 22:59:41 | tucoz | I see. |
| 22:59:50 | preglow | i believe the grayscale lib operates with 33 colours on all platforms |
| 22:59:57 | preglow | i _think_ that's the case, at lteast |
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| 23:00:03 | Cassandra | Coolie. |
| 23:00:12 | tucoz | preglow, I do not think so. I think mandelbrot only uses 8 or so |
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| 23:00:38 | tucoz | I think amiconn said that a while ago |
| 23:02:21 | preglow | well, yeah, but she asked how many she could count on having, i think |
| 23:02:40 | tucoz | " What's the minimum number of greyscale 'colours' we have to work with?" |
| 23:02:51 | preglow | *shrug* |
| 23:02:54 | tucoz | minimum was the key here I think? |
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| 23:05:57 | preglow | well |
| 23:05:58 | preglow | minimum is 1 |
| 23:06:01 | preglow | if you really want to |
| 23:06:04 | tucoz | ok, mandelbrot uses 9 shades |
| 23:07:18 | tucoz | sorry preglow and Cassandra. I see now what you mean. |
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| 23:21:36 | Cassandra | Wow - I killed my gimp. Impressive. |
| 23:23:57 | lamed_ | quote |<preglow> you might catch some developer related whining in about half an hour| |
| 23:24:00 | lamed_ | you called? |
| 23:25:52 | lamed_ | <preglow> amiconn: i was just meaning there's no poing in initialising the variables with default values, since the settings system will initialise them anyway | I agree. it can only mislead someone to think this really was the place to change default value. it mislead me, but it just was too boaring to even notice until reading up on global_settings. |
| 23:26:30 | preglow | yeah, and it wastes some code |
| 23:26:44 | lamed_ | tiny fragile, but sure. |
| 23:27:09 | preglow | but btw |
| 23:27:09 | lamed_ | could i offer any help with desciphering my code? |
| 23:27:21 | preglow | it _might_ be done this way to supress gcc warnings |
| 23:27:32 | preglow | of the type "variable xxx might be used uninitialised in this function" |
| 23:27:47 | preglow | gcc can't tell that settings will always be parsed first |
| 23:27:50 | lamed_ | nah, should it say that? |
| 23:27:56 | preglow | yeah, i think it would |
| 23:27:58 | preglow | feel free to try it |
| 23:28:10 | lamed_ | can't.. don't have the dev pack here. |
| 23:28:41 | preglow | my tree is a bit broken at the moment, so has to wait before i can try it |
| 23:29:04 | lamed_ | (acctually i do have it, i've got cygwin installed on the player and the setup.bat hacked to always install the registry values - meaning i can work from it.) |
| 23:30:12 | preglow | that's pretty clever |
| 23:30:45 | lamed_ | grin |
| 23:31:59 | lamed_ | regarding to " <_FireFly_> with cvs simply cvs diff -u ><your-patch>.patch " - I really _do_ think i should start that wiki dev tip page. took me a long time to get to the simplest command of " cvs update -dP &> cvsupdate " to see exactly what the hell just happend... |
| 23:32:28 | * | Bagder reads commit mails for that |
| 23:32:35 | linuxstb | lamed_: Doesn't cygwin have a scrollbar ? |
| 23:33:26 | lamed_ | linuxstb: it's like 3-4 lines more then the view. there's a way to define higher "max_line" integer, but i don't remember how. |
| 23:34:44 | lamed_ | and anyways you steel need the cvs update in a seperate file, to go through all the C's and make sure of the M's in the right files... |
| 23:34:59 | lamed_ | still |
| 23:35:04 | Bagder | I never do |
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| 23:35:36 | lamed | bagder - do you update through cvs? with some changes of your own installed? |
| 23:35:57 | Bagder | no, I've been living in a box |
| 23:36:19 | lamed | how's that been working out for you? |
| 23:36:20 | * | Bagder <= Rockbox dev since day 1 |
| 23:36:21 | preglow | hahah |
| 23:36:26 | preglow | i never do either |
| 23:36:37 | preglow | my whole rockbox tree is so full of Ms i don't know what to do |
| 23:36:44 | linuxstb | hehe |
| 23:36:48 | Bagder | it works fine, thanks |
| 23:36:59 | Bagder | why would I need to have control of them? |
| 23:37:01 | lamed | Ms are ok... the Cs are the problem... |
| 23:37:08 | preglow | you notice the Cs fast enough |
| 23:37:14 | Bagder | oh yes |
| 23:37:22 | lamed | when you MAKE maybe. |
| 23:37:26 | preglow | yes, exactly |
| 23:37:37 | preglow | and then you get a line number too! |
| 23:37:41 | Bagder | but then I do have a little 'cvscheck' script that tells me the status of all (modified) files |
| 23:37:42 | lamed | hehehehe |
| 23:38:05 | Bagder | perhaps I should share that |
| 23:38:11 | lamed | share. |
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| 23:38:55 | Bagder | try this => http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/cvscheck |
| 23:38:57 | lamed | cvs check | something something GREP | something ? |
| 23:39:17 | Bagder | yes, like that but slightly nicer |
| 23:39:50 | lamed | bagder = daniel? - well, you learn something new everyday they say |
| 23:39:58 | Bagder | yeps, me Daniel |
| 23:40:17 | Bagder | that's why my real name field says so ;-) |
| 23:40:39 | lamed | (i know absolultly nothing about scripts, perls(...), and how they work. |
| 23:40:51 | * | preglow hugs perl |
| 23:40:54 | preglow | nicest language there is |
| 23:41:25 | Bagder | lamed: then you have some fine areas yet to learn |
| 23:41:38 | preglow | Bagder: nice script, that |
| 23:41:48 | Bagder | I use it all the time, all over |
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| 23:42:35 | lamed_ | bagder: it was pretty weird going through your home family pictures i most say. |
| 23:42:46 | Bagder | haha |
| 23:43:04 | Bagder | well, for people who don't know me they most likely aren't very interesting |
| 23:43:39 | lamed_ | it acctually was. "here's the man that saved my player from grey sad slow death". |
| 23:43:45 | preglow | haha |
| 23:43:51 | preglow | there are a bunch of rockbox familiars features |
| 23:43:54 | preglow | at least three of them :P |
| 23:43:58 | lamed_ | (player lcd is still pretty grey though) |
| 23:44:00 | preglow | featured, even |
| 23:44:29 | lamed_ | preglow: ? |
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| 23:45:45 | lamed | (there's a stupid key on the keyboard i'm corrently working on, that if i press on it, it 'goes back one page'... located in a very often used place... |
| 23:46:31 | Bagder | hehe |
| 23:47:04 | linuxstb | preglow: There is no urgency, but can you do a quick test of this new version of lcd-ipod.c on your Nano at some point: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/lcd-ipod.c |
| 23:47:04 | lamed | preglow: will you care to re-explain... it's not rare i can't understand's someone else's english... (yes i know i'm not that clear when i talk) |
| 23:47:24 | linuxstb | preglow: It should work the same for you, but fixes the problems I've been having with my LCD. |
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| 23:47:39 | preglow | linuxstb: sure, i can do it now |
| 23:47:49 | preglow | linuxstb: as long as i'm not patching the bootloader, windows seems to work ok |
| 23:47:54 | lamed | bagder: what kde do u use? |
| 23:48:02 | Bagder | lamed: I think he meant that you can spot Björn and Linus on the pics too |
| 23:48:11 | Bagder | I don't use kde, I use gnome |
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| 23:48:43 | preglow | btw, am i the only one who thinks firefox in gnome is _exceedingly_ slow? |
| 23:48:43 | lamed | who else got a question mark instead of bj - "?" - rn .... |
| 23:48:44 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/photos/snaxx-2002-09/dest/pic_761.html |
| 23:48:59 | preglow | hahaha |
| 23:49:00 | Bagder | lamed: oh, Bjorn with two dots over the o |
| 23:49:03 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 23:49:14 | lamed | yeah i know... |
| 23:49:27 | lamed | that's because of the new cgiirc |
| 23:49:45 | lamed | i'd love to have one of those shirts... |
| 23:50:00 | preglow | a bunch of archoses and beer, does it get any better |
| 23:50:07 | preglow | the answer turns out to be no! |
| 23:50:13 | Bagder | :-) |
| 23:50:44 | preglow | there's even decent beer there |
| 23:50:49 | lamed | denial, you'r the guy on the right. i can tell by the head shape. (!) |
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| 23:51:21 | Bagder | yes, from left: Bjorn, Linus and me |
| 23:51:36 | preglow | oooh, they've got spitfire |
| 23:51:49 | Bagder | its a nice pub |
| 23:51:59 | Bagder | preglow: when you come over, we'll go there ;-) |
| 23:52:08 | lamed | i thought bjorn and linus are the same guy... whoop. |
| 23:52:32 | Bagder | heh |
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| 23:53:11 | lamed | what's bjorn's nickname? |
| 23:53:15 | Bagder | Zagor |
| 23:53:30 | preglow | nils oscar kalasöl! |
| 23:53:39 | lamed | he's less of a talker isn't he? |
| 23:53:43 | * | preglow laments the poor state of pubs in norway |
| 23:53:58 | Bagder | lamed: he's been sort of idling the last year or so |
| 23:54:28 | Bagder | but he's watching |
| 23:54:41 | Bagder | and he is the allmight Original Code Police |
| 23:54:45 | lamed | h300 users around the world waiting nervously for his return... |
| 23:54:59 | preglow | he hasn't even got one |
| 23:55:29 | Bagder | well, h300 users gain from developers without h300s too |
| 23:55:37 | preglow | that they do |
| 23:56:27 | lamed | sec |
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| 23:56:35 | preglow | http://daniel.haxx.se/photos/snaxx-2002-09/dest/pic_776.html <- qualifies as happy |
| 23:57:31 | Bagder | rockbox, good beer and friends, what else can you be? |
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| 23:58:23 | muesli_- | some chicks arent that bad either ^^ |
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| 23:58:42 | Bagder | you can spot one there ;-) |
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