00:00:03 | Bagder | no, rockbox is a gift from aliens |
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00:00:16 | Bagder | we're just poster boys |
00:00:23 | preglow | pretty ones at that |
00:00:43 | preglow | linuxstb: what's been done to it? |
00:02:27 | tucoz | Bagder, no, what I meant was the Rockbox isn't re-written archos fw from scratch . It is _written_ by you from scratch. |
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00:03:05 | Bagder | tucoz: well, its a matter of definition and interpretation of terms I guess |
00:03:09 | tucoz | I can't think and express myself clear today. I think it's time to hit the sack. |
00:03:30 | linuxstb_ | preglow: I fixed my copy and paste mistake and renamed some vars to make them more meaningful (to me at least). |
00:04:02 | preglow | linuxstb_: well, i can't see any reason to not commit it |
00:04:13 | lamed | question: don't you think that pixel buffering had went to the side of 'too low quality just for speed"? (h100). just take a high-res image to see what i mean. |
00:05:02 | linuxstb_ | preglow: OK. Just wanted to check I didn't break the Nano. |
00:05:47 | lamed | bagder: i've just now realized why i simply don't let the compiler run unto those "=====" "<<<<<<" marks. using p3 800, it takes about 15-30 secs until it crashes... |
00:06:21 | Bagder | lamed: use my script then after doing cvs update |
00:06:41 | Bagder | it shows what files that had conflicts |
00:07:59 | lamed | ah, then that will take time to run... what will i get furher then going through the cvs update log? |
00:08:29 | Bagder | not having to manually scan the log |
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00:08:42 | Bagder | but you do as you please |
00:09:46 | preglow | linuxstb_: woot, the backlight turned off when the unit tries to switch off now |
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00:10:27 | linuxstb_ | preglow: I noticed that. Probably a side-effect of amiconn's recent backlight changes. |
00:10:56 | preglow | but okies, i'll deal with this musepack nastiness, then return to ipod coding |
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00:14:06 | ghode|afk | bah finish the EQ first, you know you want to ;p |
00:14:46 | DMJC | EQ before what? |
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00:15:20 | preglow | ghode|afk: eq comes soon as well |
00:15:35 | preglow | i'll probably commit a peaking filter only eq in not too long |
00:15:43 | preglow | shelving filters need more work |
00:16:27 | lamed | is someone corrently working on splitting the main/remote lcds view? |
00:16:43 | Bagder | splitting? |
00:18:10 | Moos | more indepandent you mean? like possibility of multi fonts...? |
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00:19:38 | lamed | moos: you've wrote the list widget, correct? |
00:19:46 | Moos | no |
00:19:51 | preglow | that was timid |
00:19:53 | Moos | is TiMiD |
00:19:56 | lamed | ah. |
00:19:56 | Moos | yes |
00:20:18 | WarrenLeyes | anyone w/ h340 notice alot of flicker on your lcd |
00:20:44 | lamed | i was talking about splitting the view... being able to view the wps with the one lcd and the filetree with the other, etc. |
00:21:33 | Moos | the man to ask is TiMiD, but aparently isn't around |
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00:22:32 | preglow | lamed: that requires substantial changes |
00:24:58 | preglow | windows is a _lot_ faster in setting usb devices up for use |
00:24:59 | preglow | annoying |
00:25:03 | preglow | than linux, that is |
00:25:15 | WarrenLeyes | I thing the flickering on my screen is being caused by the counting down of time remaining ?? aprox. 2-3 flashes per second |
00:25:18 | Moos | need to sleep, have a good night @ all |
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00:25:30 | WarrenLeyes | anyone know for sure |
00:26:36 | preglow | ok, this is weird, if i keep the decoder struct in iram, it crashes on track changes, if i don't, it doesn't crash |
00:27:13 | schnittn2005 | preglow may i ask something`? |
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00:27:51 | lamed | of course. preglow, but it's very readily to be made now with list.c, (and almost everything else - the remote wps screen or whatever), you already have control on every screen. i was just wondering if that is something i can start working on, or there's no point because someone way superior then me is working on it. |
00:28:08 | preglow | schnittn2005: sure |
00:28:15 | schnittn2005 | ahm |
00:28:27 | lamed | gj on the reduce ticking patch. how did i missed that? - solved my remote ticking problem. |
00:28:31 | preglow | lamed: no, no ones is planning that at all. you also need two button drivers for everything, btw |
00:28:43 | schnittn2005 | preglow , do you think that itll be possible to seek within mpc files one day? |
00:28:53 | preglow | schnittn2005: yes, once the musepack people designs a new file format |
00:28:58 | schnittn2005 | i see |
00:29:16 | preglow | schnittn2005: there's very little we can do with the hardware resources we have |
00:29:26 | schnittn2005 | so i wont be able to seek within my current mpc´s, thouigh |
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00:29:33 | preglow | schnittn2005: but keep nagging the musepack people to finish their sv8 format, i'd also like seeking support |
00:29:37 | preglow | schnittn2005: that's correct |
00:30:05 | schnittn2005 | okay... ill keep on encoding in vorbis, anayway |
00:30:31 | preglow | yeah, i use vorbis myself |
00:30:36 | preglow | but i'd really like to switch to musepack |
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00:30:45 | preglow | but no seeking is a bit of a showstopper for me |
00:31:27 | schnittn2005 | preglow, i think its quite good (vorbis) and with q5 you can save space and its sounds great. what do you think? |
00:31:44 | schnittn2005 | sorry, i messed this sentence up ;) |
00:32:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | What does the remote ticking patch do? As in, why is it an option, rather than always on? |
00:32:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | My remote got damaged, and my new one has the tick. :( |
00:32:46 | schnittn2005 | im sorry bothering you, preglow..... |
00:32:46 | lamed | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1872.0 |
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00:33:17 | lamed | paul_the_nerd, if you have it, use the option. if you don't - don |
00:33:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, I'm using it now. |
00:33:54 | lamed | 't. it might waste some cpu power=less battery / longer lcd update time. |
00:34:15 | lamed | are you sure that it was the remote? |
00:34:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I didn't used to have the problem. I do now. The only change was a a new build of rockbox, and a new remote. |
00:34:35 | preglow | schnittn2005: i use q5 myself, and it's quite enough for most tracks |
00:35:02 | preglow | schnittn2005: i think the encode errors of musepack sound a lot better than those in vorbis, so i'd like to switch |
00:35:23 | schnittn2005 | encode errors? |
00:35:31 | preglow | well, yeah, artifacts |
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00:35:47 | WarrenLeyes | this is prob.. a stupid question but is it possable on the .wps to build it in layers ?? |
00:35:49 | schnittn2005 | i see... well.... i never rellay realized some in vorbis |
00:35:59 | ashridah | Paul_The_Nerd: the remote ticking fix uses more cpu power, thats why it's not always on |
00:36:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Thanks |
00:36:06 | preglow | schnittn2005: i hear some occasionally |
00:36:16 | schnittn2005 | ok |
00:36:42 | preglow | but this bug is starting to annoy me |
00:36:49 | preglow | why the hell should it matter if data is in iram or not |
00:36:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: why not wavpack, out of curiousity? |
00:37:01 | preglow | there must be some conflict going on here |
00:37:06 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: because it's lossless? |
00:37:14 | schnittn2005 | its maybe just "normal". a matter of the bitrate |
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00:37:26 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: wavpack is my lossless format of choice, but i don't use lossless very often |
00:37:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | It also has a lossly mode... |
00:37:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | lossy |
00:38:07 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, but the lossy mode is really high bitrate, and gives lots of background noise |
00:38:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
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00:38:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | I haven't used it really. |
00:38:39 | preglow | i've tried it, but not much more |
00:38:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Gotcha |
00:39:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm trying to figure out what the best format would be for me to convert my Audible audiobooks to. |
00:39:24 | preglow | aren't audible books really just mp3? |
00:39:27 | preglow | with encryption |
00:39:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
00:39:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, the "Quality 4" ones are |
00:39:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | 1 and 2 are something else |
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00:39:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm not sure about 3 off the top of my head |
00:39:58 | preglow | ah, yeah, they're acelp, i think |
00:40:02 | preglow | which is something completely different |
00:40:03 | preglow | more like speex |
00:40:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, that's it. |
00:40:29 | leftright | Slasheri: you around ? |
00:40:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | So would the best choice be to transcode them back to MP3? |
00:40:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Sadly, I haven't found a way to strip the encryption without transcoding. |
00:40:58 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: that would be optimal |
00:41:07 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: if you need to transcode, it doesn't matter, just use a format you like |
00:41:11 | leftright | got another playback bug |
00:41:16 | leftright | with dir cache, follow playlist, follow directories enabled, the player repeated the last song in a file 3 times then said it was loading next but froze, had to reset player to get it to react. |
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00:42:02 | miah | hi |
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00:42:14 | preglow | amiconn: you around? |
00:42:17 | lamed | gtg all. preglow: i'll have internet access only tommorw night/ the next day's noon.. so yo've got some time away from me... |
00:42:18 | WarrenLeyes | rockboy I dea !!! has anyone tried to port "Virtualboy" over ? |
00:42:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: They're 32kbps MP3s, CBR I think. I'm just worried about them sounding even worse. |
00:42:35 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: they probably will |
00:42:38 | preglow | lamed: have nice one |
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00:42:54 | lamed | u2! |
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00:43:20 | Membrillo | WarrenLeyes: a gameboy emulator is already available and is called Rockboy |
00:43:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm sure they will, preglow. I was just trying to figure out the best plan for minimal pain to my ears. |
00:43:54 | Membrillo | WarrenLeyes: Virtualboy is gameboy isnt it? |
00:44:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Virtualboy is the VR headset |
00:44:06 | WarrenLeyes | I know ... but the prob w/ rockboy a) runs at half speed and lack of color support |
00:44:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | It did NOT do well |
00:44:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | It had some interesting ideas, but the red on black color scheme, and the refresh rate led to headaches. Very quickly. |
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00:44:56 | preglow | WarrenLeyes: it's not so much a specific emulator issue, if we ported virtualboy, that probably would run slow as well |
00:45:03 | WarrenLeyes | I was talking to a few ppl about virtualboy and think it may run better then rockboy |
00:45:10 | preglow | WarrenLeyes: we just need someone to work on rockboy, and it'll work fine |
00:45:29 | WarrenLeyes | IC |
00:46:38 | Membrillo | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah it was a VR headset console which wasnt releaed by nintendo in the end, but its also a very popular Gameboy emulator |
00:47:01 | preglow | ok, ok, so i use 48 992 bytes of iram, there are still some bytes left!! |
00:47:05 | WarrenLeyes | and open source |
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00:47:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | It was released by nintendo, Membrillo |
00:47:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can still find them at second hand stores. |
00:47:46 | Membrillo | was it released? oh ok. I thought they didnt. |
00:47:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
00:48:05 | WarrenLeyes | mind you I dont care if i can play games on it or not .... Long as I get ogg on it i will be happy.... soon i hope my h340 will have it |
00:48:08 | Membrillo | WarrenLeyes: Why would we start porting a new emulator though, when rockboy is half completed |
00:51:07 | WarrenLeyes | hey i'm just throwing ideas out there ... c if we can get something solid going |
00:51:24 | linuxstb_ | WarrenLeyes: Do you have a URL for virtualboy? |
00:51:27 | ashridah | WarrenLeyes: rockboy's limitations come from lack of effort, not from lack of capability. |
00:51:49 | WarrenLeyes | yea ... hold ...brb |
00:51:54 | ashridah | the biggest problem, admittedly, was the sucky commenting in the source tho |
00:52:00 | ashridah | so if virtualboy is better there, it might be worth considering |
00:52:54 | linuxstb_ | Rockboy only uses about 32KB of IRAM at the moment. I'm sure the extra 16KB plugins now have would help. |
00:53:07 | Membrillo | offtopic quick Q: Has pre-HDD-loading USB been implemented for h3xx yet? |
00:54:04 | Membrillo | i mean, connecting to USB priot to loading up the Hard Drive |
00:54:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Still v1 bootloader. |
00:54:55 | Membrillo | yeah, but does v1 allow USB before loading the HDD? |
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00:55:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't think so, from what I've heard. |
00:55:30 | Membrillo | dang it. Anyone know for sure? |
00:56:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, it's not a good idea to install it right now, whether it does or doesn't. |
00:58:31 | Membrillo | fair enough |
00:59:17 | WarrenLeyes | sorry my bad its called visualboy ...just searching my player files ...have the url for it in there |
00:59:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's a GBA emulator primarily |
00:59:54 | Membrillo | yeah, visual boy. Thats right |
00:59:58 | AnInternetUser | the best GB emulator is no$gmb |
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01:00:03 | AnInternetUser | its probably the most efficient too |
01:00:13 | preglow | AnInternetUser: yeah, but that's written with lots of x86 assembler |
01:00:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | I dunno |
01:00:17 | Membrillo | no$gmb is definitely terrific. Is it open source? |
01:00:29 | mofoGX | prolly not |
01:00:31 | AnInternetUser | i dont know anything about how this stuff works |
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01:00:38 | Membrillo | preglow: is that bad? |
01:00:45 | AnInternetUser | but isnt there some way to convert it to assembly? |
01:00:48 | preglow | Membrillo: for us, yes, means we need to rewrite much |
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01:01:20 | Membrillo | http://vba.ngemu.com/ |
01:01:26 | preglow | btw |
01:01:33 | AnInternetUser | vba isnt worth it |
01:01:33 | preglow | i don't think nocash emus come with source |
01:02:57 | AnInternetUser | then the only hope would be to ask that guy to help... and he won't |
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01:03:08 | AnInternetUser | he's not going to give it away probably |
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01:05:23 | WarrenLeyes | somewhere on the globalroms.com |
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01:06:04 | AnInternetUser | the no$gmb source code? |
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01:10:30 | WarrenLeyes | anyways back to why i first came in today ... can the wps be built in layers?? example placing the total track time and time remaining on a seperate layer? |
01:11:01 | WarrenLeyes | then the rest of the information on screen |
01:11:26 | Membrillo | don't quite understand what you mean.... |
01:11:40 | WarrenLeyes | hold on ... |
01:12:24 | AnInternetUser | warren was the no$gmb source somewhere or were you talking about something else |
01:12:37 | preglow | WarrenLeyes: why'd you want that? |
01:13:05 | ashridah | i seriously doubt no$gmb's source exists in the wild, and if it did, i doubt it'd be legal for rockbox to incorporate it as a plugin |
01:13:06 | WarrenLeyes | preglow: think it is causing the major flickering on my lcd |
01:13:27 | ashridah | given that it's a commercial product that requires a license key to stop being nagware |
01:13:43 | WarrenLeyes | 2-3 times per second ... same line as the time remaining for the current mp3 playing |
01:13:45 | Mark_ | no$gb is highly crippled shareware |
01:13:58 | AnInternetUser | well no$gmb is old now |
01:14:06 | AnInternetUser | so i don't know why he wouldnt be willing to release it |
01:14:15 | WarrenLeyes | ? |
01:14:20 | Mark_ | because idiots still send him money occasionally? |
01:14:31 | Mark_ | becuase he put time effort and money into it? |
01:14:42 | AnInternetUser | i know someone who sent him money and got nothing back |
01:14:43 | Mark_ | becuase he used code that wasnt his either |
01:14:56 | Mark_ | well then he could be a dick |
01:15:10 | Mark_ | so very unlikely to release source |
01:15:44 | AnInternetUser | yeah i see... |
01:15:48 | WarrenLeyes | i have an emmu somewhere on my pc that i downloaded via torrent there was a doc with it about using it ... and it was open source ...i will need to search for it 2 night when i get home |
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01:16:08 | AnInternetUser | so is the goal to make some emulator to run at realtime most efficiently? |
01:16:10 | ashridah | the guy seems to be a bit of a dick |
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01:16:16 | Mark_ | gnuboy has been ported to rockbox BTW |
01:16:25 | Mark_ | plays GBC and GB games |
01:16:38 | AnInternetUser | but isnt that the thing thats real slow? |
01:16:50 | ashridah | AnInternetUser: because it's not finished. |
01:16:55 | Mark_ | it needs optimised |
01:16:57 | AnInternetUser | ok |
01:17:08 | Mark_ | as would any code after porting to a fixed point math processor |
01:17:10 | AnInternetUser | if i knew what you were doing i would want to help |
01:17:17 | ashridah | changing to another emulator isn't goign to solve the problem, we're STILL not going to have anyone interested in actually working on it |
01:17:27 | WarrenLeyes | mind you i dont think its possable to get an emu to run at a good speed on the players |
01:17:37 | WarrenLeyes | LOL |
01:17:40 | Mark_ | yeah |
01:18:00 | AnInternetUser | it has to be possible imo... gb's did it |
01:18:02 | Mark_ | the rockbox guys will be lucky to get realtime out of it on the 140mhz coldfire cpu |
01:18:09 | ashridah | WarrenLeyes: rockboy's fairly close, it's just that some fairly major optimisations never got finished, and the guy's no longer interested in working on it, by the looks of it. |
01:18:27 | AnInternetUser | so wheres this source? |
01:18:33 | Mark_ | i think he might be interested after he finished the EQ hes coding now |
01:18:35 | ashridah | AnInternetUser: gameboys didn't have to EMULATE their own cpu |
01:18:47 | WarrenLeyes | but not running it through an emu.... they built there system for it not try to convert it |
01:18:57 | AnInternetUser | does anyone mind giving a link to the source of rockboy? |
01:19:11 | preglow | it's in cvs |
01:19:13 | ashridah | AnInternetUser: rockboy itself is in CVS. gnuboy, on which it is based is elsewhere |
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01:19:28 | ashridah | http://gnuboy.unix-fu.org/ or something |
01:19:50 | AnInternetUser | ok... what i really don't get is how to make something compatible with rockbox |
01:19:55 | Mark_ | if i seemed like i was talking as if this was some other channel who didnt know about rockbox its because i thought this was #ipodlinux and we were talking about that |
01:19:57 | Mark_ | im tired |
01:20:10 | Mark_ | and my monitor is at too high a res for this time of day :P |
01:20:38 | WarrenLeyes | LOL at AnInternetUser |
01:20:56 | AnInternetUser | >:( |
01:20:57 | Mark_ | by sacrificing virgins and stuff |
01:21:01 | linuxstb | The ipodlinux people have got iBoy (their own port of gnuboy). |
01:21:05 | Mark_ | voodoo etc |
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01:21:25 | * | Mark_ hands preglow a wig |
01:21:33 | AnInternetUser | so ipod will get all this stuff too? |
01:21:42 | ashridah | AnInternetUser: basically, one needs to move from libC to rockboy's plugin interface, and reimplement all of the screen drawing |
01:21:42 | WarrenLeyes | so are we anycloser to audio today then yesterday? |
01:21:48 | Mark_ | on what? |
01:21:48 | WarrenLeyes | for h300 |
01:21:53 | Mark_ | probably |
01:22:00 | Mark_ | certainly more than 2 days ago |
01:22:27 | ashridah | AnInternetUser: user input handling too |
01:22:41 | ashridah | rockboy also added a context menu so it can save the game state |
01:22:55 | WarrenLeyes | going through the settings on my h300 and cannt wait to get some sound to test out some of the NEW OPTIONS |
01:24:41 | ashridah | AnInternetUser: all of this involves knowing a good deal about how the original software works, and what functionality rockbox provides to plugins, via an exposed set of API's (functions and data structures) |
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01:24:43 | WarrenLeyes | the game save state is ok ... didn't work 2 times for me today ... where I DID save but it didn't |
01:25:05 | ashridah | WarrenLeyes: it seems to require two triggers to save. i will say again that rockboy was never finished |
01:25:19 | AnInternetUser | so how is this optimization supposed to double the speed |
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01:25:32 | WarrenLeyes | I do know the status of rockboy |
01:26:06 | ashridah | AnInternetUser: doubling the speed is probably unlikely. |
01:26:17 | preglow | ashridah: i wouldn't say that |
01:26:46 | AnInternetUser | so basically realtime speed is never going to happen |
01:26:48 | ashridah | but basically, the original porter was working on dynamic recompilation and some other features, where common bits of nintendo's gameboy library that most games used is replaced with optimised native code. |
01:27:01 | preglow | AnInternetUser: i think it is, if someone decides to work on it |
01:27:10 | ashridah | AnInternetUser: given how close it is now, i doubt it NEEDS doubling to become realtime |
01:27:20 | * | ashridah remembers how slow it was when it first ran :) |
01:27:28 | AnInternetUser | so someone is actually working on it? |
01:27:29 | preglow | i think it might need doubling, and then some |
01:27:36 | WarrenLeyes | i dont think it needs 2 triggers.... hell ive been playing the damn thing on my h300 for the last few days at work and at home .... saving and loading w/ very few probs |
01:27:37 | preglow | hehe |
01:27:55 | preglow | there's sound to be generated as well |
01:28:06 | preglow | currently it only runs at 11khz, not exactly excellent quality |
01:28:15 | WarrenLeyes | preglow ?? for ?? |
01:28:21 | WarrenLeyes | i missed something |
01:28:30 | AnInternetUser | does the gameboy run at 22khz? |
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01:28:36 | WarrenLeyes | rockboy? |
01:28:44 | AnInternetUser | no, like the gb emulators |
01:28:48 | ashridah | AnInternetUser: no, audio does. |
01:28:56 | AnInternetUser | thats what i meant |
01:29:06 | AnInternetUser | so the AUDIO runs at 22 khz |
01:29:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | The gameboy had a what, 8mhz processor? |
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01:29:59 | AnInternetUser | what does iriver have |
01:30:32 | preglow | 124 :-) |
01:30:40 | * | ashridah isn't sure what the audio output at |
01:30:56 | AnInternetUser | this has to be possible then... |
01:31:03 | AnInternetUser | probably i should just check back in a year |
01:31:07 | preglow | well, first of all, you can't just look at the cpu speed |
01:31:09 | AnInternetUser | and maybe it will be up to 50% |
01:31:13 | WarrenLeyes | h300 =140 MHz |
01:31:14 | preglow | there's also a video processor that needs to be emulated |
01:31:17 | preglow | and a sound processor |
01:31:21 | preglow | WarrenLeyes: we can't run it at 140 |
01:31:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | AnInternetUser, it's running at more than 50% already |
01:31:36 | WarrenLeyes | i nkow |
01:31:39 | WarrenLeyes | know |
01:31:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | At least... it was. |
01:31:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | I know that Bejeweled seems to have slowed recently. |
01:32:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | It may be possible that other plugins have too, or something, I dunno. |
01:32:17 | AnInternetUser | so does anyone have any news about music? |
01:33:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | I bet there'll be an announcement on the front page when music happens, much like there was for the H1x0 series. Just a guess though. |
01:33:27 | AnInternetUser | is mp3 still going to be the recommended format? |
01:33:37 | WarrenLeyes | i wish i knew .... i keep whaiting for a cvs report in mail email to pop up and yell "WE HAVE FULL AUDIO SUPPORT!!!!!" |
01:33:38 | preglow | we've got a recommended format? |
01:33:45 | AnInternetUser | well |
01:33:46 | WarrenLeyes | waiting |
01:33:55 | AnInternetUser | aren't the other ones going to be worse on battery life? |
01:34:21 | preglow | not really, musepack is turning out pretty well, flac is good, wavpack is good |
01:34:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Many people would pick other formats despite the battery life loss, because they prefer sound quality, and don't ever use up their battery anyway? |
01:34:35 | ashridah | preglow: shorten has like 2-3% cpu boost ratio iirc |
01:34:45 | preglow | didn't test shorten yet |
01:34:45 | ashridah | most lossless codecs run really well |
01:35:04 | AnInternetUser | how about lossy stuff like mpc |
01:35:19 | AnInternetUser | that doesnt seem like it would be too tough on batteries |
01:35:37 | WarrenLeyes | is there anything better then OGG ??? I don't care about file size |
01:35:56 | markun | wavpack if you don't care about the size |
01:35:59 | WarrenLeyes | I luv ogg but am always looking for better |
01:36:00 | markun | or flac |
01:36:23 | AnInternetUser | ogg kills the batteries so much... well at least in the iriver firmware |
01:36:32 | preglow | WarrenLeyes: flac is very fast now |
01:36:36 | preglow | WarrenLeyes: the fastest codec we have |
01:36:41 | WarrenLeyes | LOL that it does |
01:36:51 | ashridah | preglow: again, i think shorten's taken that throne |
01:37:02 | preglow | for lossy codecs, musepack might be one of the faster ones, once i get this bug fixed |
01:37:07 | preglow | ashridah: i thought you said it boosted |
01:37:12 | preglow | ashridah: flac never boosts |
01:37:22 | AnInternetUser | ogg must be able to get 10 hrs of battery life ;) |
01:37:26 | WarrenLeyes | ic ... but a pain to download(torrent) i bet, lack of support |
01:37:40 | markun | AnInternetUser: buy a bigger battery, they cost close to nothing |
01:37:54 | ashridah | preglow: ah, well, i stand corrected. |
01:38:13 | AnInternetUser | i would actually prefer to buy a bigger hard drive and stick to mp3 |
01:38:14 | ashridah | WarrenLeyes: then stop stealing music :) |
01:38:14 | preglow | ashridah: linuxstb even did a special build of rockbox that ran at 30 mhz, it never boosted then either |
01:38:38 | WarrenLeyes | hell i built 3 external battery packs that use rechargables ... i will never run out of power |
01:38:42 | AnInternetUser | well if you like flacs you can always sign up at http://btmusic.org:2710 |
01:38:59 | ashridah | preglow: uh, flac just boosted here |
01:39:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, if FLAC is the 'fastest' does that also mean that it offers the best battery life? |
01:39:09 | preglow | ashridah: wut? |
01:39:19 | preglow | ashridah: 44.1khz? |
01:39:25 | ashridah | preglow: i just watched the audio thread. it just boosted while reading data. |
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01:39:28 | WarrenLeyes | i liked mp3 untill i heard the same track in OGG (WOW) night and day |
01:39:35 | preglow | ashridah: haha, well of course |
01:39:38 | linuxstb | ashridah: Yes, but that's the playback code boosting the CPU, not FLAC. |
01:39:41 | preglow | ashridah: the reading routine always boosts |
01:39:48 | AnInternetUser | well if you encode mp3's right they are just as good as ogg |
01:40:00 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: linuxstb got a good 13 hours out of flac on a standard battery |
01:40:04 | linuxstb | Wait until the buffer has been filled, then enter the debug screen. You won't see it boost. |
01:40:06 | AnInternetUser | oggs are supposedly transparent at a lower bitrate though |
01:40:06 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: which is very good, imho |
01:40:06 | ashridah | bah ;) |
01:40:13 | ashridah | not good enough ;) |
01:40:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aye, preglow. |
01:40:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not that it matters, I usually only need about 4-5 hours of batterly life at a time anyway |
01:40:24 | WarrenLeyes | true |
01:40:45 | AnInternetUser | my battery is screwed now though |
01:40:52 | AnInternetUser | maybe i should buy a good new one |
01:40:55 | DreamTactix291 | AnInternetUser: the difference of bitrate where transparency happens between vorbis and LAME is extremely small |
01:40:56 | DreamTactix291 | however |
01:41:03 | WarrenLeyes | I need 8 to 9 hrs a shot |
01:41:03 | DreamTactix291 | Vorbis scales down to lower bitrates much better |
01:41:05 | ashridah | preglow: 13 hours is excellent given the bitrate of the files, and how often it'd need to spin up the disk |
01:41:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | AnInternetUser: Also, bitrate is roughly equivalent to file size per minute, so since you can get better sound quality at lower bitrates, you can store more oggs in the same space vs equivalent sounding MP3s. |
01:41:07 | linuxstb | My 13-hour FLAC test was on an album that averaged about 950kbps. |
01:41:13 | WarrenLeyes | it does |
01:41:25 | DreamTactix291 | i should test WavPack |
01:41:26 | AnInternetUser | yes i know thats the advantage |
01:41:32 | DreamTactix291 | since that's what all my lossless is in |
01:41:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | I tend to just use Lossless anyway. Don't own that much music, and the OCRemixes are all already MP3s |
01:42:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | And I'm hoping if/when speex is implemented it'll offer a good choice for my audiobooks |
01:42:25 | AnInternetUser | but for transparency whats the difference between ogg and mp3 |
01:42:26 | WarrenLeyes | hell thats why we have all these options of codecs now .... each to ones own ...be it power to run a long time or Sound for the purists |
01:42:30 | AnInternetUser | like 30 kb/s? |
01:42:32 | DreamTactix291 | speex on a portable would own |
01:42:44 | DreamTactix291 | AnInternetUser: about 15kbps for metal |
01:42:45 | DreamTactix291 | sometimes 20 |
01:42:46 | WarrenLeyes | mind you i dontmind vbr |
01:42:56 | AnInternetUser | how about mpc |
01:42:57 | AnInternetUser | is that better? |
01:42:58 | DreamTactix291 | that's just because of the sfb21 issue with mp3 |
01:43:04 | DreamTactix291 | musepack is about the same as vorbis |
01:43:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Speex doesn't have an integerized library yet, though DreamTactix291, and I understand that's the most major hurdle. |
01:43:10 | DreamTactix291 | assuming aoTuV |
01:43:18 | DreamTactix291 | yeah |
01:43:21 | AnInternetUser | and whats the numbers |
01:43:21 | WarrenLeyes | i need to read up on musepack |
01:43:26 | AnInternetUser | 175 or so? |
01:43:29 | DreamTactix291 | rough guess for me |
01:43:33 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: speex does have a partially integerezied library |
01:43:34 | DreamTactix291 | 175-180 for vorbis and mpc |
01:43:38 | DreamTactix291 | 190-200 for LAME |
01:43:43 | DreamTactix291 | over all genres averaged together |
01:43:46 | DreamTactix291 | for most people |
01:43:51 | AnInternetUser | so v2 is good? |
01:43:56 | DreamTactix291 | absolutely |
01:44:06 | AnInternetUser | i did everything at v0 being paranoid and too lazy to test |
01:44:12 | DreamTactix291 | LAME 3.97b1 -V2 −−vbr-new is the recommended line at hydrogenaudio.org now |
01:44:31 | WarrenLeyes | yup |
01:44:32 | DreamTactix291 | my solution is different |
01:44:32 | AnInternetUser | i still don't trust vbr-new |
01:44:40 | WarrenLeyes | :) |
01:44:42 | AnInternetUser | i am a skeptic on that |
01:44:49 | DreamTactix291 | −−vbr-new as of 3.97 is of equal or higher quality than −−vbr-old and faster |
01:44:58 | DreamTactix291 | it's only faster because it takes fewer steps to do the same thing |
01:44:58 | WarrenLeyes | why |
01:45:10 | DreamTactix291 | listening tests have proven −−vbr-new is safe now |
01:45:19 | AnInternetUser | where is this hydrogenaudio link |
01:45:29 | AnInternetUser | that would make me so happy |
01:45:33 | DreamTactix291 | look for guruboolez's listening tests |
01:45:43 | AnInternetUser | no more slow encoding/high file sizes |
01:45:52 | DreamTactix291 | trust me on this :) |
01:46:01 | AnInternetUser | lol i just encoded an album |
01:46:04 | AnInternetUser | with tracks at 270 |
01:46:06 | AnInternetUser | vbr |
01:46:11 | WarrenLeyes | :) |
01:46:29 | AnInternetUser | but how about 3.98 |
01:46:38 | AnInternetUser | is that worse or something |
01:46:41 | AnInternetUser | or just not confirmed |
01:47:01 | DreamTactix291 | it's alpha |
01:47:11 | DreamTactix291 | right now its not fundamentally much different from 3.97b |
01:47:23 | AnInternetUser | is that a transparency test? |
01:47:26 | AnInternetUser | or just at low bitrates |
01:47:35 | AnInternetUser | i can't find a high bitrate test for vbr-new vs old |
01:47:59 | DreamTactix291 | well i remember reading one by guruboolez |
01:48:08 | DreamTactix291 | where −−vbr-new was consistently better than vbr-old |
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01:50:01 | DreamTactix291 | faster doesn't mean lower quality necessarily |
01:50:12 | DreamTactix291 | vbr-new simply just takes fewer steps |
01:50:42 | AnInternetUser | i found something about athaa-sensitivity |
01:50:58 | DreamTactix291 | only useful for -V5 and below |
01:51:11 | AnInternetUser | so if i was going to use v2 |
01:51:16 | AnInternetUser | would that be recommended? |
01:51:24 | DreamTactix291 | -V2 −−vbr-new |
01:51:29 | AnInternetUser | thats all? |
01:51:30 | DreamTactix291 | using 3,97b1 |
01:51:32 | DreamTactix291 | yep |
01:51:44 | AnInternetUser | how about the Q value |
01:51:48 | DreamTactix291 | leave it alone |
01:52:19 | AnInternetUser | ok... i was under the impression that q0 saved a bit of file space |
01:52:22 | DreamTactix291 | basically with LAME you never want to mess with anything but the basic -Vn and −−vbr-new |
01:52:32 | DreamTactix291 | well until 3.97 they were broken for -q0 and -q1 |
01:52:35 | DreamTactix291 | and caused ringing sometimes |
01:52:44 | DreamTactix291 | and -q2 and -q3 are non ABXable |
01:52:47 | DreamTactix291 | so they default to 3 |
01:52:59 | DreamTactix291 | for −−vbr-new -q0 through -q3 produce bit identical output |
01:53:06 | DreamTactix291 | err -q0 through -q4 |
01:53:31 | AnInternetUser | and the default is? |
01:53:33 | AnInternetUser | 5? |
01:53:35 | DreamTactix291 | -q3 |
01:53:37 | AnInternetUser | oh |
01:53:40 | DreamTactix291 | which is the old -q2 |
01:53:49 | AnInternetUser | so there really is no point at all |
01:53:53 | AnInternetUser | cool |
01:53:55 | DreamTactix291 | exactly |
01:53:58 | AnInternetUser | i will start the big encoding project |
01:54:01 | DreamTactix291 | -V2 −−vbr-new and happy encoding :) |
01:54:26 | DreamTactix291 | i personally use Lancer 20051121 -q6 because for metal it's about 20 kbps smaller than mp3 |
01:54:36 | DreamTactix291 | due to format deficiencies encoding 16kHz and up |
01:54:48 | DreamTactix291 | but mp3 is very much transparent at those rates |
01:54:52 | AnInternetUser | damn now i am seeing unperfect ratings for v2 mp3's |
01:55:14 | DreamTactix291 | ? |
01:55:20 | DreamTactix291 | what do you mean unperfect |
01:55:26 | DreamTactix291 | i'll let you in on a secret |
01:55:37 | DreamTactix291 | if it fails with -V2 it's usually going to fail even with -b320 |
01:55:44 | DreamTactix291 | because it's a format deficiency most of the time |
01:56:34 | AnInternetUser | so its really not transparent |
01:56:38 | AnInternetUser | but just the same as 320 |
01:56:50 | AnInternetUser | (transparent with wav) |
01:56:50 | DreamTactix291 | it's transparent for all but problem samples |
01:56:57 | DreamTactix291 | seriously try to ABX -V2 stuff |
01:56:58 | DreamTactix291 | it's hard |
01:57:02 | DreamTactix291 | if even possible for you |
01:57:16 | AnInternetUser | i tried v5 and i could do that |
01:57:22 | DreamTactix291 | that's because it's small |
01:57:25 | DreamTactix291 | 130ish |
01:58:46 | AnInternetUser | so as long as v2 and v0 have no difference thats cool |
01:58:54 | DreamTactix291 | yep |
01:59:25 | AnInternetUser | is there any way to massively convert flacs organized in folders to mp3's? |
01:59:35 | AnInternetUser | (and some ape's) |
01:59:44 | DreamTactix291 | i use foobar2000 for that |
01:59:49 | DreamTactix291 | it's very easy to set up |
01:59:58 | AnInternetUser | isn't there a script for that |
02:00 |
02:00:04 | DreamTactix291 | probably |
02:00:15 | AnInternetUser | i was using dbpoweramp |
02:00:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | I generally use dBPowerAmp for mass conversions. |
02:00:37 | DreamTactix291 | since i use foobar for playback i use it for everything else |
02:00:41 | DreamTactix291 | nice to have it all in one package for me |
02:00:57 | DreamTactix291 | i do wavpack to vorbis all the time |
02:01:01 | DreamTactix291 | in fact i'm doing it now |
02:01:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | I got dbPowerAmp before I started using Foobar, so I never bothered to pay attention to anything but its playback features |
02:01:26 | AnInternetUser | whats the suggested way to tag the mp3's |
02:01:34 | * | AnInternetUser feels like such a newb |
02:01:43 | DreamTactix291 | for compatibility probably ID3v2 |
02:01:52 | AnInternetUser | like a particular program? |
02:02:01 | DreamTactix291 | APEv2 is nice but good luck using it with anything else but foobar |
02:02:06 | DreamTactix291 | mp3tag is good |
02:02:18 | AnInternetUser | yeah thats what i have |
02:02:37 | DreamTactix291 | it's a good app |
02:02:39 | AnInternetUser | but theres no way to add tags while encoding |
02:02:44 | AnInternetUser | i would have to add them after the encoding |
02:02:52 | DreamTactix291 | if you use dbPowerAMP or foobar2000 tags are kept |
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02:03:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Are you transcoding, or encoding from CDs? |
02:03:04 | AnInternetUser | i doubt the flacs and apes have tags |
02:03:09 | DreamTactix291 | oh |
02:03:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
02:03:24 | DreamTactix291 | foobar has a freedb lookup ability. dbPowerAMP probably does as well |
02:04:09 | Membrillo | i think this may be a symbol of my current boredom: http://jupiter.walagata.com/w/membrillo/downwithisheep.gif |
02:04:16 | Bger | hm, any iriver h3x0 user with h1x0 lcd remote? |
02:04:54 | WarrenLeyes | LOL |
02:05:12 | WarrenLeyes | nice link |
02:05:12 | DreamTactix291 | not me |
02:05:38 | AnInternetUser | dbpoweramp doesnt appear to have freedb |
02:05:40 | AnInternetUser | :( |
02:05:45 | DreamTactix291 | foobar does |
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02:05:56 | DreamTactix291 | you select and right click and it can do a lookup |
02:06:30 | DreamTactix291 | actually foobar makes me lazy :| |
02:06:40 | AnInternetUser | haha thats cool |
02:06:46 | AnInternetUser | then you can rename due to the tags |
02:06:48 | Membrillo | i use a program called Tagscanner for ID3 |
02:06:55 | DreamTactix291 | it's spoiled me |
02:07:23 | DreamTactix291 | oh also a little piece of advice i've found works |
02:07:29 | DreamTactix291 | do you use your comment field for anything? |
02:07:30 | DreamTactix291 | if not |
02:07:33 | DreamTactix291 | do what i do |
02:07:40 | DreamTactix291 | and put encoder version and switches in it |
02:07:48 | DreamTactix291 | that way later on i can tell what i used to encode what |
02:07:55 | DreamTactix291 | just by looking at the tags |
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02:18:18 | Benacool | Bger: Me i have a H100 remote with my H320 |
02:18:40 | Kyl3 | does any Rockbox person have an H300 remote? |
02:18:58 | JCodous | Kyl3: I do. I have the LCD H300 one! |
02:19:08 | Kyl3 | Can you code? |
02:19:16 | JCodous | Kyl3: Though I probably don't count as a Rockbox person. |
02:19:19 | JCodous | I can code. |
02:19:33 | JCodous | But my strongest language is Java which is of little use here. |
02:19:42 | DreamTactix291 | maybe rockbox can see if misticjeff can donate one to them sometimes :) |
02:20:02 | Kyl3 | so is there hope that you can donate your remote to Linus or someone? |
02:20:08 | Kyl3 | or someone |
02:20:13 | Rick | ? |
02:20:19 | Rick | there's a remote specifically for the h300? |
02:20:23 | Kyl3 | yea theyre in stock now |
02:20:26 | Benacool | yea |
02:20:31 | Rick | who has the h300? |
02:20:37 | JCodous | I've just plugged the remote into the H300 and it seems to be displaying everything happily but I'm not sure about the buttons. |
02:20:50 | Rick | JCodous: in rockbox? |
02:20:52 | Kyl3 | the joystick doesnt work |
02:21:00 | Kyl3 | the slider switches do |
02:21:02 | Kyl3 | kinda |
02:21:08 | Rick | oh, the remote already works? |
02:21:09 | Rick | well |
02:21:11 | Rick | for display? |
02:21:13 | Kyl3 | http://www.misticaudio.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=8_13&products_id=33 |
02:21:14 | Rick | in rockbox that is |
02:21:15 | Benacool | no |
02:21:20 | JCodous | Rick: Yes. |
02:21:24 | Kyl3 | yes the display works |
02:21:24 | Rick | oh that's nice |
02:21:46 | Rick | that means the remotes should be basically the same hardware wise |
02:21:49 | Benacool | the h100 remote but the h300 one dont work at 100% ... if its not already patched |
02:21:56 | Rick | back order? :/ |
02:22:11 | Rick | hrmmm |
02:22:11 | Benacool | (on rockbox i mean) |
02:22:12 | Rick | I wonder... |
02:22:14 | Kyl3 | but the h300 remote they controls are whacked |
02:22:22 | JCodous | The buttons are not responding. |
02:22:30 | Rick | is the plug for the h300 remote the same as the h100 one? |
02:22:35 | Kyl3 | the slider switches can scroll |
02:22:36 | Benacool | yea |
02:22:38 | DreamTactix291 | yes |
02:22:39 | Rick | hmmm |
02:22:39 | Kyl3 | yes |
02:22:41 | * | Rick evil idea |
02:22:59 | JCodous | In some of the setup menus I seemed to get a response but not in directory / file browsing! |
02:23:04 | DreamTactix291 | i'd actually like an H3xx remote for my H140 if it would work :) |
02:23:06 | DreamTactix291 | i like the joystick |
02:23:10 | Rick | DreamTactix291: EXACTLY |
02:23:18 | Benacool | lol |
02:23:22 | Kyl3 | i think that works |
02:23:25 | Rick | if the plugs are the same it should be simple to support the h300 remote on the h100 |
02:23:31 | DreamTactix291 | yeah i think so too |
02:23:34 | Rick | (: |
02:23:35 | DreamTactix291 | i'll probably buy one eventually |
02:23:44 | JCodous | How does the button response work? |
02:23:52 | Kyl3 | but what about the h300 remote on the h300? lol |
02:23:55 | Benacool | but 70$ is quite expensive lol |
02:23:59 | DreamTactix291 | i know |
02:24:01 | Rick | it says $60 |
02:24:02 | Rick | D: |
02:24:05 | JCodous | Is it possible to log button presses to find the codes or is it more complex than that! |
02:24:07 | Benacool | oh ok ;-) |
02:24:12 | Kyl3 | ask jeff if he can donate one? |
02:24:15 | markun | JCodous: By pressing a button you change the resistance. |
02:24:15 | Rick | maybe $70 after shipping |
02:24:21 | Rick | anyway, if nobody has donated one |
02:24:21 | Kyl3 | i could make a thread |
02:24:26 | markun | JCodous: Do you have a multimeter? |
02:24:29 | Rick | i'll buy one for Linus/whoever on rockbox team has a h300 |
02:24:33 | JCodous | markun: Yes. |
02:24:51 | JCodous | markun: But the decent one is currently at work. |
02:24:58 | DreamTactix291 | yeah we could do a donation account for one |
02:25:04 | DreamTactix291 | and use that to pay jeff if we wanted |
02:25:06 | DreamTactix291 | i'd donate |
02:25:12 | DreamTactix291 | even though i don't have an H3xx |
02:25:15 | Bger | i have h300 lcd remote too |
02:25:15 | JCodous | Which pins should I be recording values across and I could take a look over the weekend! |
02:25:20 | Bger | and |
02:25:29 | Bger | hm |
02:25:31 | Rick | errr |
02:25:31 | Rick | wtf? |
02:25:37 | Rick | why is it $60 on mistic |
02:25:37 | markun | JCodous: I don't know which pins, but there aren't that many |
02:25:40 | Rick | and $20 on iriver's site |
02:25:44 | Rick | I know iriver's site is sold out but wtf? |
02:25:44 | Kyl3 | only made in Korea |
02:25:48 | Bger | Benacool |
02:25:56 | Rick | https://secure7.nexternal.com/shared/StoreFront/product_detail.asp?CS=iriver&RowID=123&All= |
02:25:57 | Benacool | yea ? |
02:26:02 | Bger | so |
02:26:07 | Benacool | so what ? |
02:26:11 | Rick | wait |
02:26:13 | Rick | that's a different remote |
02:26:14 | Rick | weird |
02:26:14 | Bger | when you use your h100 remote with h300 (iriver fw) |
02:26:20 | Benacool | yea |
02:26:25 | Bger | is the button mapping correct ? |
02:26:29 | markun | JCodous: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverHardwareComponents#Remote_Control |
02:26:32 | Benacool | 100% correct |
02:26:39 | Bger | i mean, the button marked 'play/pause' is play/pause etc |
02:26:46 | Rick | Bger: yeah, it uses the same plug i'm guessing it's the same hardware just slightly different button stuff |
02:26:48 | JCodous | markun: I count 10 contact points not including the headphones. That might take a while |
02:26:49 | Benacool | the iriver firmware is made to be used with it ... |
02:27:00 | JCodous | markun: Thanks. I'll take a look at the page. |
02:27:03 | Bger | then there must be way to understand whether the remote is h300's one or h100's one |
02:27:14 | Rick | Bger: i'm sure there is |
02:27:18 | Rick | if not there could be an option (: |
02:27:26 | Bger | so we have to find out how ... |
02:27:50 | Rick | can whoever owns a h300 remote take a close up picture of the plug? (like the wiki page) |
02:27:55 | Benacool | simplier way is an option in the settings... |
02:27:58 | Bger | Rick it's the same |
02:28:03 | Rick | oh ok (: |
02:28:10 | Bger | absolutely the same |
02:28:33 | Rick | is it a real joystick or the "click" kind on h100? |
02:29:09 | Kyl3 | the click kind |
02:29:22 | Rick | ah |
02:29:30 | Bger | LinusN: if you read this ... do you have any idea how to detect the remote type (h100 or h300) |
02:29:33 | Rick | hrm |
02:29:36 | Rick | now that I think about it |
02:29:43 | Rick | there's a debug screen that shows keypresses |
02:29:47 | Rick | in rockbox |
02:29:50 | Rick | lemme boot up my iriver |
02:29:52 | Bger | hm ? |
02:30:00 | Kyl3 | and you can depress the joystick like a buttor |
02:30:03 | * | Bger boots too\ |
02:30:07 | Benacool | lol |
02:30:18 | Rick | ok |
02:30:26 | Rick | who has h300 remote and rockbox installed? |
02:30:36 | markun | JCodous: If you go to menu->info->debug->view i/o ports you can read the value of adc_remote |
02:30:38 | * | Bger has |
02:30:39 | Kyl3 | mee |
02:30:39 | Rick | ^ |
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02:30:42 | Rick | yep what markn said |
02:30:47 | Rick | can you see what the values are for the key presses? |
02:31:01 | Rick | look at the value of ADC_REMOTE when you press a joystick key |
02:31:03 | Bger | yes |
02:31:18 | Bger | -10 : B8 |
02:31:25 | Bger | +10 : 9f |
02:31:40 | Bger | play/pause: 7f |
02:31:53 | Bger | + d2 |
02:32:00 | Bger | - 00 |
02:32:14 | Bger | prev: ed |
02:32:20 | Bger | next: 17 |
02:32:23 | JCodous | a-b: 4f |
02:32:33 | JCodous | Stop: 36 |
02:32:34 | Bger | joy push : no reaction |
02:32:47 | JCodous | Mode: 67 |
02:32:49 | Bger | a-b: 4e |
02:33:02 | Bger | mode (rec) : 65 |
02:33:11 | Rick | strange |
02:33:13 | Bger | stop: 35 |
02:33:24 | Rick | JCodous: is your remote hold on/off? |
02:33:33 | JCodous | Off |
02:33:42 | Bger | hold: no reaction |
02:33:45 | markun | Bger: remote left/right/up/down also nothing? |
02:33:48 | JCodous | With it on. Nothing happens |
02:33:56 | Bger | markun: <= = left |
02:34:03 | markun | hold is a different pin |
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02:34:06 | Bger | i mean "prev" = left |
02:34:09 | JCodous | It's obviously wired in series with the resistor network |
02:34:23 | JCodous | <= = ED |
02:34:32 | Rick | hmm |
02:34:33 | Rick | idea |
02:34:46 | Rick | when you press the joystick does OPT01_READ change? |
02:35:14 | Bger | Rick i don't see such value |
02:35:28 | Rick | oh |
02:35:37 | Rick | My rockbox is very old (: |
02:35:43 | JCodous | Bger: Where did you get your remote from? |
02:35:48 | Bger | GPIO1_READ ? |
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02:35:49 | Bger | ? |
02:35:53 | JCodous | There may well be more than one type |
02:35:59 | Rick | JCodous: good point |
02:36:04 | Bger | yes, there is a change in the last byte |
02:36:09 | Bger | of GPIO1_READ |
02:36:12 | Bger | on joy push |
02:36:15 | Rick | ah |
02:36:17 | Rick | what values? |
02:36:19 | Bger | from 74 to 34 |
02:36:22 | Rick | ah |
02:36:28 | Rick | what's the full value? |
02:36:36 | Rick | (for reference) |
02:36:37 | Bger | the second byte varies with time |
02:36:59 | markun | I think we have all the info to support the H300 remote now |
02:37:04 | Bger | 068A6674 |
02:37:09 | Bger | but |
02:37:14 | Rick | markun: yeah (: |
02:37:23 | Rick | markun: only problem is detecting what kind of remote now I think |
02:37:37 | Bger | 000xy000 |
02:37:40 | Bger | i mean |
02:37:55 | Rick | is the h300 remote lcd larger? |
02:37:59 | Rick | or is it the same |
02:38:02 | JCodous | On mine, the last hex pair changes to 34 when pressing the joystick |
02:38:12 | Benacool | when i plug the remote gpio_read change |
02:38:16 | Bger | 068xy674 , x = A or B, y = 6 or 7 |
02:38:27 | Bger | JCodous same hear |
02:38:28 | Bger | here |
02:39:09 | Benacool | the first number goes from 5 to 1 |
02:39:18 | Benacool | when i plug my h100 remote |
02:39:28 | Rick | ah |
02:39:34 | Rick | what about you JCodous? |
02:40:32 | Bger | my remote is bought in korea from a guy known as Kylera @ MR |
02:40:58 | JCodous | GPIO_Read. Without remoteD81BFAA8 |
02:41:18 | JCodous | GPIO_Read. With remote D981BFAA8 |
02:41:28 | JCodous | And the full listing of button responses |
02:41:45 | Bger | hm, i suggest editing a wiki page |
02:41:56 | Rick | yes |
02:41:58 | JCodous | Bger: A much better Idea |
02:42:08 | JCodous | Where would be a good place for this information? |
02:42:13 | Bger | w8 a bit |
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02:44:01 | Bger | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewauth/Main/IriverH3XXHardwareComponents <= maybe here, but let me finish mine response |
02:44:17 | JCodous | Certainly. Just let me know when you're done. |
02:46:00 | Rick | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverHardwareComponents#Remote_Control has a bit on key values |
02:46:02 | Benacool | with the 100 remote : gpio_read = 1811bfaa8 and gpi01_out = 00a6004 (change after a second) −−−−- without remote : gpio_read = 581bfaa8 and gpi01_out = 00a6006 |
02:46:08 | Rick | oh wait |
02:46:10 | Rick | no it doesn't |
02:46:16 | Rick | that's main unit buttons |
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02:47:13 | Benacool | sorry it's 000a6006 and 000a6004 |
02:47:37 | markun | Rick: the values are also in firmware/drivers/button.c |
02:47:38 | Benacool | and it's 181bfaa8 |
02:48:31 | Benacool | **correction ** with the 100 remote : gpio_read = 181bfaa8 and gpi01_out = 000a6004 (change after a second) −−−−- without remote : gpio_read = 581bfaa8 and gpi01_out = 000a6006 |
02:48:36 | JCodous | Wait until Bger has finished his mods of the Wiki. |
02:48:56 | markun | doesn't the H300 remote have a menu button? |
02:49:04 | JCodous | I guess the important additional information would be Remote version (H300 / H100) and unit version. |
02:49:18 | JCodous | markun: Nothing labelled as "menu" |
02:49:37 | Benacool | it's not menu but NAVI no ? |
02:50:02 | markun | left upper wheel on the H100 |
02:50:10 | Benacool | yea |
02:50:17 | JCodous | -10 / +10 / play-pause / Skip back / Skip forward / Vol+ / Vol- / A-B / Stop / MODE. Plus joystick press and Hold |
02:51:04 | JCodous | Interestingly the joystick press makes it past the hold function. |
02:51:30 | Rick | my remote the navi is clicking of the skip back / skip forward button |
02:51:35 | Rick | (h100 remote) |
02:51:38 | Bger | ready |
02:52:23 | Bger | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverH3XXHardwareComponents#Responses_from_H300_not_H100_rem |
02:52:38 | markun | I can see 'menu' written on the H300 remote, but I can't see which button it's supposed to be. |
02:53:06 | Bger | NAVI |
02:53:20 | Bger | heh silly iriver |
02:53:24 | Benacool | lol |
02:53:27 | Bger | i suppose they mean mnavi |
02:53:33 | Rick | ? |
02:53:36 | JCodous | Presumably the centre one as the others cover volume and navi |
02:53:37 | Rick | mnavi? |
02:53:40 | Rick | navi = navigation |
02:53:55 | Benacool | on my remote it's written NAVI/MENU |
02:54:15 | Benacool | so you can be tricked ;-) |
02:54:15 | Bger | the joystick on the remote has the same functions as the <<, >>,+,- and "navi" buttons on the main unit |
02:55:04 | Bger | and maybe iriver wrote "menu" because long push on the navi gets you into the settings menu |
02:55:45 | Rick | ah |
02:55:48 | Rick | yes |
02:55:50 | Benacool | do the value i typed about the h100 remote can be used to recognize the remote ? |
02:56:21 | Rick | does the h300 remote have a clip? |
02:56:26 | Benacool | someone can verify with his h300 remote if the same byte change |
02:56:26 | Bger | clip ? |
02:56:38 | Rick | belt/clothing clip |
02:56:39 | Bger | Benacool could you repeat it |
02:56:47 | Benacool | **correction ** with the 100 remote : gpio_read = 181bfaa8 and gpi01_out = 000a6004 (change after a second) −−−−- without remote : gpio_read = 581bfaa8 and gpi01_out = 000a6006 |
02:56:48 | Bger | yes, it does have |
02:56:57 | Rick | ok (: the picture on mistic looks like it doesn't |
02:57:27 | Bger | you mean the thing that is used to "attach" the remote to your clothes, yea ? |
02:57:27 | Benacool | on gpio_read the first byte change on gpi01_out the last one change |
02:57:40 | Rick | yeah Bger, a clip (: |
02:58:25 | Bger | Rick then it has :) |
02:58:28 | Bger | sorry for my eng :) |
02:58:35 | Rick | it's ok |
02:58:53 | Benacool | is it the same values with the h300 remote ? |
02:58:54 | Bger | without h300 remote: 069(a/b)6674 |
02:58:59 | Bger | with remote |
02:59:17 | Bger | 068(a/b)(6/7)674 |
02:59:42 | Benacool | far from my values lol |
02:59:51 | Bger | hm |
03:00 |
03:00:01 | Bger | i didn't watch GPIO1_OUT |
03:00:23 | Benacool | i have a US H3020 and you ? |
03:00:28 | Benacool | H320** |
03:00:40 | Bger | yep, there is difference |
03:00:55 | Benacool | k |
03:01:25 | Benacool | maybe they can read these change to recognize the remote when it pluged in |
03:01:36 | Bger | so, without H300 remote: GPIO1_READ: 069(a/b)6674 ; GPIO1_OUT: 000a6006 |
03:02:07 | Benacool | the gpi01_out is the same that mine |
03:02:16 | Bger | with H300 remote: GPIO1_READ: 068(a/b)(6/7)674 ; GPIO1_OUT: ... |
03:02:30 | Bger | hm, it seems it returns back to the previos value after a while |
03:02:43 | Benacool | yea me too |
03:03:04 | Bger | the value is 000a6004 temporaryh |
03:03:54 | Benacool | when my remote is plugged it's GPIO1_OUT = 000a6006 and when it is unpluged it's 000a6004 (with the h100 rmeote) |
03:03:55 | JCodous | OK. Finished updating. I've added another table for the remote changes. May need tidying if there are more than one type of H300 remote . |
03:04:23 | JCodous | Given the difference in values between my remote and Bger's, I suspect it's resistance tolerances in the network. |
03:04:25 | Bger | it changes about 0.5 sec after plugging the remote and goes back after maybe 5-10 |
03:04:29 | Bger | yes |
03:04:33 | JCodous | The button presses are a range thing perhaps? |
03:04:35 | Bger | very little difference |
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03:05:21 | Benacool | damn sorry it's the same thingoups lol when GPIO1_OUT change it's because the REMOTE LCD is ON |
03:05:46 | Benacool | eh i merged my two sentences ... |
03:05:47 | Bger | one bit between 7F and 80, 9F and A0; 17 and 18; 4E and 4F :) |
03:05:55 | Benacool | ** when GPIO1_OUT change it's because the REMOTE LCD is ON |
03:06:04 | Benacool | or not |
03:06:41 | Bger | yeah |
03:06:44 | Bger | it's the backlight |
03:06:56 | Benacool | ok ^^' |
03:07:06 | JCodous | On mine (H300 remote + H300) when the remote backlight is on, the last digit of GPIO1_OUT changes from 6 to 4 |
03:07:14 | Bger | same here |
03:07:20 | Benacool | i was thinking it changed when i was pluging or unpluging the remote |
03:07:34 | Benacool | yea same thing for me with the h100 |
03:08:13 | Bger | who is JonSenior ? |
03:08:13 | Benacool | in fact it change but it's because the LCD is obviously not longer ON when unpluged lol ... |
03:08:55 | Bger | JCodous? |
03:09:24 | JCodous | Bger: Jcodous. It's an old nick I had and I tend to use it instinctively! |
03:09:40 | Bger | k :) |
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03:09:47 | Bger | are you editing the page ? |
03:09:53 | Rick | strange that Jon's keys are +1 |
03:10:04 | Rick | or +2 |
03:10:06 | JonSenior | No. I just saved the page |
03:10:07 | Bger | Rick this is very little diff |
03:10:10 | Rick | yeah |
03:10:13 | Rick | It's strange (: |
03:10:27 | Bger | JonSenior did you release the edit lock ? |
03:10:30 | JonSenior | Rick: Given that this is a ADC value, what you're seeing is resistor tolerance! |
03:10:32 | Bger | Rick: it's not |
03:10:37 | JonSenior | Bger: I think so |
03:10:46 | JonSenior | Bger: Give me a second. |
03:10:56 | Rick | hehe |
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03:11:18 | JonSenior | Oops. My bad. |
03:11:24 | JonSenior | You should be able to edit now! |
03:12:25 | JonSenior | Rick: I suspect that's why the resistor values are what they are! It ensures that the range is far greater than the tolerance. |
03:13:18 | JonSenior | I'm sort of surprised that they didn't put a converter in the remote and use a serial link to transfer the data. I guess this method must have a faster response time. |
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03:17:06 | Benacool | if i want to add my reading with the remote pluged in (or unpluged) how i do it ? (don't know how to use the wiki lol) |
03:17:26 | JonSenior | Click on the "edit" link at the bottom of the page. |
03:17:48 | JonSenior | It will prompt you to enter a username / password, but if you don't have one, click cancel to set one up. |
03:18:23 | JonSenior | Then either read the existing content for an idea of how to format it, or read the formatting instructions. |
03:18:41 | JonSenior | And remember to release the edit lock when you've finished! ;-) |
03:19:02 | Benacool | ok ^^ |
03:19:41 | Bger | ok, it's 4:19 am here, going to sleep :) |
03:19:43 | Bger | nite |
03:20:57 | Benacool | someone already modifying it ... i have to wait! |
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03:26:15 | Benacool | someone forgot to unlock the topic or what ? lol |
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03:27:21 | JonSenior | Looks like Bger forgot to unlock. If you can wait, let it time out. |
03:28:23 | JonSenior | I shall probably head for bed too. While it's only 2:25 here, I do need to be in work at 09:00! |
03:28:48 | JonSenior | If you're reading the logs Linus... good job so far. Much impressed with recent developments. |
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03:29:17 | JonSenior | If I can get my head around C enough to do it (And I can find the time!) I'll take a look at the button code. |
03:29:22 | JonSenior | G'Night all. |
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03:36:33 | schnittn2005 | hello |
03:36:50 | schnittn2005 | any idea when there will be a peak meter for recording? |
03:39:33 | schnittn2005 | hello? |
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03:50:24 | JonSenior | Couldn't let it rest! |
03:50:35 | JonSenior | Benacool: Are you still modifying the page? |
03:51:06 | JonSenior | Benacool: Do you have a listing of the button responses for the H100 remote (I believe that's what you've got!)? |
03:52:36 | JonSenior | Only it looks like the remote has the same response when connected (-4 on the first digit!). What player is yours? H320 / H340? |
03:53:22 | Benacool | yea i'd just finish |
03:54:48 | Benacool | it's the first time i write something to the wiki lol ... its okay ? |
03:54:57 | Benacool | on* |
03:56:30 | JonSenior | Seems OK. I've just added another column to the response table (And changed it's title). If you've got the values for the keypresses, could you add them to it. |
03:57:46 | Benacool | yea i might ... but the h100 remote already work on rockbox .... is it really necessary to add them there ? |
03:59:13 | JonSenior | Probably worth it as they don't appear to be detailed elsewhere. I'm personally interested to see how different they are from the H300 ones. |
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04:00:04 | Benacool | ok but the button are not exactly the same we should do a second table for the h100 remote |
04:02:33 | JonSenior | Good idea. If you look at the tables in there you should get an idea of how they work. |
04:02:43 | Benacool | yea ^^ |
04:02:46 | JonSenior | The other thing to check is the hold button. |
04:03:33 | JonSenior | On my remote it causes the third digit in GPIO1_READ to change from C to D |
04:10:19 | JonSenior | OK. Now I really am going to bed! |
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05:15:35 | Timomimi | hey guys...im running RBox on an H300 and was wondering if there is a general menu like the H1xx series yet? or can i just not find it? |
05:16:04 | ashridah | Timomimi: there should be, if you hit the a-b button |
05:16:39 | Timomimi | lol, so there is |
05:16:56 | Timomimi | ive been nailing the Navi button in every screen |
05:17:00 | Timomimi | cheers ashridah |
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05:53:02 | Jungti1234 | hi |
05:55:38 | ashridah | so, what happened to the other 1233 Jungti's anyway? |
05:55:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
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05:56:53 | Jungti1234 | why..-_-; |
05:57:12 | ashridah | just curious |
05:57:27 | Jungti1234 | '1234' is no any meaning. |
05:57:42 | ashridah | okay. |
05:58:35 | Jungti1234 | Can't I convert 'lang' file to 'lng' file? |
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06:34:59 | baobab68 | hi all |
06:36:10 | baobab68 | may I ask some questions re: supported file formats on Rockbox? |
06:36:46 | baobab68 | anyone about? it's 1630 here...noone in the Southern Hemisphere? |
06:39:07 | baobab68 | yoo |
06:39:12 | baobab68 | hoo |
06:41:17 | lostlogic | baobab68: that kind of information is available on the wiki |
06:41:38 | DreamTactix291 | yep |
06:41:43 | DreamTactix291 | short answer though = a lot |
06:41:56 | DreamTactix291 | lots of formats |
06:42:59 | lostlogic | DreamTactix291: unless he is talking about on the players with hardware mpeg decoding ;) |
06:43:16 | DreamTactix291 | lol |
06:43:18 | DreamTactix291 | yeah |
06:43:39 | baobab68 | DreamTactix291: i can see the various formats listed - i did actually read bits of the wiki and also searched it. what i am interested in is VBR vs CBR for MP3... which is more "fully supported" on RB? |
06:43:56 | DreamTactix291 | both are perfectly supported |
06:43:58 | DreamTactix291 | to be honest |
06:44:08 | DreamTactix291 | if something can't playback VBR mp3 then it's broken |
06:44:11 | DreamTactix291 | VBR is in the specs |
06:44:30 | baobab68 | so the remaining time will update correctly and i'll be able to ff and rw correctly if i encode VBR? |
06:44:35 | DreamTactix291 | yes |
06:44:43 | lostlogic | baobab68: rockbox uses libmad, so look up libmad's supported formats |
06:45:20 | lostlogic | also check out the iRiver testing page on the wiki, I think it has more information on testing the various formats seeking and other support |
06:45:32 | DreamTactix291 | yeah |
06:45:41 | DreamTactix291 | out of usage experience both mp3 and vorbis work great |
06:46:17 | lostlogic | DreamTactix291: that's good to hear. |
06:46:24 | DreamTactix291 | yes |
06:46:28 | DreamTactix291 | wavpack is great too |
06:46:30 | * | lostlogic prays for H300 DAC functionality soon |
06:46:31 | baobab68 | my PC software (MediaMonkey) seems to do a better conversion to MP3 than OGG. Or maybe OGG just doesn't like the low bitrate I want to use. |
06:46:32 | DreamTactix291 | all 3 of those seek well |
06:46:43 | DreamTactix291 | what are you shooting for? |
06:47:06 | baobab68 | lostlogic: i am also awaiting audio, then I could test this stuff myself... |
06:47:12 | DreamTactix291 | theoretically vorbis scales down a lot better than mp3 |
06:47:14 | DreamTactix291 | also |
06:47:21 | DreamTactix291 | if you use LAME to encode mp3 they playback gaplessly |
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06:48:44 | DreamTactix291 | i have no idea what mediamonkey uses for an encoder |
06:48:49 | baobab68 | i have a collection in *evil* WMA, and I can't be bothered to re-rip it so I'm going to convert it. |
06:49:00 | DreamTactix291 | just so you know |
06:49:08 | DreamTactix291 | the resulting files will sound worse than your wmas |
06:49:14 | DreamTactix291 | even if you raise the bitrate |
06:49:26 | DreamTactix291 | whether you notice or not is another thing |
06:49:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | A lot of times converting from one lossy to another means you *will* notice though. Especially if you're in low bitrates, which it sounded like you were. |
06:49:57 | DreamTactix291 | yeah |
06:50:10 | DreamTactix291 | if you ever learn to recognise lossy artifacts then you'll notice a lot |
06:50:24 | baobab68 | as i said, i am no audiophile. having said that I *can* hear the difference from one of those iPod thingies, compared to my much better iriver. |
06:50:42 | lostlogic | baobab68: don't transcode, transcoding is the devil's work. |
06:51:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
06:51:42 | baobab68 | aaargh. some time I will raise this subject and people won't say stuff like that |
06:51:46 | baobab68 | :-) |
06:51:52 | DreamTactix291 | well it is |
06:51:56 | DreamTactix291 | my opinion |
06:52:00 | DreamTactix291 | if you want to do it right |
06:52:07 | DreamTactix291 | use EAC and go to LAME VBR |
06:52:12 | DreamTactix291 | and you'll be ok for good |
06:52:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or Vorbis, as some people think that sounds a bit better, or just prefer it because it's not proprietary. |
06:53:12 | DreamTactix291 | vorbis = smaller than LAME on metal |
06:53:16 | baobab68 | i listen to my music on the train and in traffic. that's why i have a portable mp3 player. at least give me credit for not being a podder. |
06:53:18 | DreamTactix291 | so that's my reasoning |
06:53:25 | DreamTactix291 | oh we do |
06:53:25 | DreamTactix291 | trust me |
06:53:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hey, I'm thinking about getting an iPod soon |
06:53:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though... not one of the HD ones |
06:53:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | The Nano is just... tempting |
06:54:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | A flash based player that functionally is equivalent to an HD based player. |
06:54:02 | baobab68 | it is cool to look at. |
06:54:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | *and* will have rockbox support in time |
06:54:20 | DreamTactix291 | i'm still happy with my H140 |
06:55:05 | baobab68 | i love my 320. even at WMA 64k, there are still occasional moments where I will hear instruments in old favourite songs, that I never noticed before |
06:55:54 | DreamTactix291 | good player |
06:56:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm in love with my H120 |
06:56:04 | DreamTactix291 | not so sure about your choice of bitrate and codec though :P |
06:56:08 | DreamTactix291 | but it's all good |
06:56:14 | DreamTactix291 | i had an H120 |
06:56:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I want something I won't worry about when I'm more active. |
06:57:12 | DreamTactix291 | understandable |
06:57:19 | DreamTactix291 | i still don't have a need for a flash player myself |
06:57:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | So my first decision was "I need a flash player." |
06:57:33 | baobab68 | i admit WMA was a mistake, but only because rockbox can't support it. and that's maybe a valid situation too, being no integer code around for WMA |
06:57:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Unfortunately, the list of flash players that I'd *use* are slim |
06:57:55 | DreamTactix291 | WMA = not so stellar sound quality usually either :) |
06:57:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | WMA is a mistake for FAR more than "only because rockbox can't support it" |
06:58:23 | baobab68 | i would never use the DRM'd version, only protection free. |
06:58:35 | DreamTactix291 | yeah but what we're saying is |
06:58:40 | DreamTactix291 | it's still not a very good codec |
06:58:53 | baobab68 | based on? |
06:59:03 | DreamTactix291 | lots of listening tests |
06:59:18 | baobab68 | by you guys personally? |
06:59:23 | DreamTactix291 | hydrogenaudio.org |
06:59:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Many double blind tests |
06:59:34 | DreamTactix291 | and my own personal ABX and ABC/HR tests |
06:59:48 | DreamTactix291 | at 64k Vorbis or HE-AAC fare the best |
06:59:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though I'm not a fan of non-free codecs in general |
06:59:50 | DreamTactix291 | personally |
06:59:54 | DreamTactix291 | i like Vorbis more |
06:59:58 | DreamTactix291 | SBR is ugly sounding |
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07:00:17 | baobab68 | the 64K OGG's I made sounded awful |
07:00:31 | DreamTactix291 | which encoder? |
07:00:33 | DreamTactix291 | that matters |
07:00:43 | DreamTactix291 | if it's like Vorbis 1.0 then yeah |
07:00:45 | baobab68 | Media Monkey again |
07:00:55 | DreamTactix291 | but if it's aoTuV b4.51 then -q0 sounds really good |
07:01:04 | DreamTactix291 | and i have no idea what media monkey is bundled with |
07:01:08 | DreamTactix291 | probably vorbis 1.0 or 1.0.1 |
07:01:10 | baobab68 | me either. |
07:01:17 | DreamTactix291 | old old versions |
07:01:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've never even heard of Media Monkey... |
07:02:22 | baobab68 | it's actually a library manager. the reason i use it is because it gives my 320 autoplaylists, which no other program does. |
07:02:57 | DreamTactix291 | i've never used it |
07:03:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hrm |
07:03:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's a program out there that does database generation and playlist creation... TagDB Tool if I recall, is what I used to use. |
07:03:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or something like that |
07:03:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hrm |
07:03:36 | baobab68 | based on rating, genre, year, any tag. my files are very well tagged. another reason for me wanting to convert them rather than re-rip |
07:03:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | That wasn't it. |
07:03:42 | DreamTactix291 | baobab68: make a vorbis file and post the vendor string here |
07:03:46 | DreamTactix291 | that'll tell me what version it uses |
07:03:54 | baobab68 | TDT doesn't support ratings. |
07:04:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
07:04:16 | DreamTactix291 | you have completely different needs from me :) |
07:04:20 | DreamTactix291 | i'm an album listener |
07:04:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't exactly use ratings |
07:04:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, mine are sorted by album primarily |
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07:04:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | I hate autoplaylists anway. I prefer to pick individually every song in one. |
07:05:05 | DreamTactix291 | i just listen to albums from start to end usually |
07:05:13 | DreamTactix291 | or i just skip around as i choose otf |
07:05:19 | Jungti1234 | Hungry.. |
07:05:34 | baobab68 | hi jungti |
07:07:07 | Jungti1234 | hi |
07:07:46 | baobab68 | how can I get the vendor string out of the file? I can see in there (in notepad) "Xiph.org libvorbis I 20040920" |
07:07:56 | DreamTactix291 | hmm |
07:07:59 | DreamTactix291 | that's using 1.1 |
07:08:05 | DreamTactix291 | odd that -q0 would sound bad then |
07:08:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Was that encoded straight from the CD then? |
07:08:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Like, the bad sounding one? |
07:09:18 | baobab68 | converted from a WMA 64K to OGG Q 0.2 |
07:09:31 | CheeseBurgerMan | That would do it. |
07:09:50 | DreamTactix291 | yep |
07:09:54 | DreamTactix291 | that's why it sounded horrible |
07:09:54 | baobab68 | the WMA isn't perfect by any means but its ok for my needs. it sounds "ok" |
07:10:00 | DreamTactix291 | everything you convert will sound that bad |
07:10:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, but suppose the WMA is 6/10. That means the OGG will ALWAYS be less than 6/10 |
07:10:27 | DreamTactix291 | yep |
07:10:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | But if you got from CD->OGG you can get 6/10, or more likely, better |
07:10:41 | DreamTactix291 | -q0 from source is usually good |
07:10:46 | DreamTactix291 | especially from aoTuV b2 on |
07:10:48 | DreamTactix291 | which 1.1 is |
07:10:54 | baobab68 | but why when i convert the same file to MP3 do I not hear the same burble artifacts and sibilants in the converted file, that i got with OGG? |
07:10:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | The only way to get even a remotely good comparison is if both are fresh from the CD. Because *every* time you convert, you can only get worse. |
07:11:06 | DreamTactix291 | what bitrate are the mp3s you're making? |
07:11:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's also the fact that MP3, WMA, and OGG compression work differently, so WMA->OGG can generate artifacts that WMA alone and OGG alone don't generate |
07:11:39 | DreamTactix291 | yep |
07:11:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | You're basically adding two sets of flaws together, and you may get a third set that's greater than the sum of its parts because of the way the math works |
07:12:21 | DreamTactix291 | short answer: transcoding is the devil |
07:12:35 | baobab68 | My converted MP3 was VBR, Joint Stereo, VBR Quality 10%, Min Bitrate 0, Max Bitrate 128K. I chose these parameters because it gave a file only a little bigger than the equivalent WMA |
07:13:09 | DreamTactix291 | i also have no idea what mp3 encoder it uses |
07:13:35 | DreamTactix291 | encoder matters more than format really |
07:13:44 | baobab68 | just checking, hoat |
07:14:00 | baobab68 | so LAME would be the best I gather |
07:14:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Basically, when you convert to lossy compression, you cut out some of the data. And every time you change it from one type to another, you just cut out *more* data. It can still be a bigger file, but each time there's less of the original audio. |
07:14:14 | DreamTactix291 | LAME is basically the only mp3 encoder that targets quality |
07:14:15 | CheeseBurgerMan | Basically, you went from CD (lossless) to WMA. This took away bits, simply because it's lossy. Then you went and took away MORE bits by transcoding it to Vorbis. The end result is that you've got a horrible quality file. |
07:14:29 | CheeseBurgerMan | lol |
07:14:35 | DreamTactix291 | actually you add noise |
07:14:36 | CheeseBurgerMan | Stop typing so fast, Paul! ;) |
07:14:38 | DreamTactix291 | but yeah |
07:14:43 | CheeseBurgerMan | Yeah, close enough. :P |
07:14:55 | DreamTactix291 | you create a file with a much lower resolution than the source |
07:15:01 | DreamTactix291 | and introduce quantisation noise |
07:15:12 | DreamTactix291 | and also other artifacts due to the MDCT |
07:15:17 | DreamTactix291 | and starving it of bits |
07:15:40 | baobab68 | i get that. i *expect* to lose quality. my time is worth more to me than the quality of the music to be honest. it's interesting to me that CD > WMA > MP3 sounds better than CD > WMA > OGG... |
07:15:55 | * | Paul_The_Nerd was going for the 'technically incorrect but easily understandable explanation for someone who converts from WMA to OGG' |
07:16:17 | baobab68 | the MP3's are being created with LAME3.96, to judge from the headers |
07:16:27 | DreamTactix291 | ah |
07:16:36 | baobab68 | ah??? |
07:16:43 | DreamTactix291 | at least it's a good encoder |
07:16:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's because once you start transcoding lossy, baobab68, it's less a matter of which one is better, than how they react to each other. |
07:16:55 | DreamTactix291 | i hate seeing stuff bundling junk like blade |
07:17:00 | DreamTactix291 | yes |
07:17:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | I imagine you'd get the same problem going from CD->OGG->WMA too |
07:17:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or at least a very similar one |
07:17:52 | DreamTactix291 | yeah |
07:17:55 | DreamTactix291 | just how they both react |
07:17:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | But the OGG would sound just fine |
07:18:12 | baobab68 | well it was acceptable for the drums, but then the strings came in and errgh |
07:18:33 | DreamTactix291 | low resolution left for the frequency reproduction |
07:18:39 | DreamTactix291 | you see |
07:18:42 | DreamTactix291 | when you do lossy to lossy |
07:18:45 | baobab68 | you should hear the tracks that were MP3 128 > WMA 64 > OGG 0.2.... |
07:18:58 | DreamTactix291 | the encoder tries to encode the origina lossy stream as well as it can and adds it own loss |
07:19:06 | DreamTactix291 | i don't want to hear that :| |
07:19:17 | baobab68 | neither did i that's why i deleted them all |
07:20:08 | DreamTactix291 | my quality is more important than my time to me |
07:20:17 | DreamTactix291 | that's why a year ago i reripped my entire collection to lossless |
07:20:23 | DreamTactix291 | different ideas of it i guess |
07:20:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
07:21:10 | baobab68 | one last question, is there a LAME parameter called "VBR method" - the options appear to be "Default" or "New". MediaMonkey offers these choices in conversion but doesn't document the differences. |
07:21:10 | DreamTactix291 | put it this way |
07:21:21 | DreamTactix291 | well |
07:21:26 | DreamTactix291 | i don't use a frontend like that |
07:21:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Currently all my music is store as lossless wavpack, though I'm gonna transcode them to FLAC. (As a side note, by definition, transcoding lossless is safe) |
07:21:33 | DreamTactix291 | but if it was using 3.97b you'd want new |
07:21:41 | DreamTactix291 | wavpack here as well |
07:21:44 | DreamTactix291 | and staying as wavpack |
07:21:48 | DreamTactix291 | the compression gains are too good |
07:21:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | FLAC decodes faster on Rockbox now |
07:21:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, better battery life |
07:22:03 | DreamTactix291 | i put vorbis on my H140 |
07:22:10 | DreamTactix291 | i can't fit my lossless collection on it anyway |
07:22:12 | DreamTactix291 | it's 80 gigs |
07:22:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mine's not that big, but I also cull a decent percentage of the tracks |
07:22:44 | DreamTactix291 | lots of live stuff here |
07:22:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah |
07:22:52 | DreamTactix291 | i keep the wavpack on my computer |
07:22:56 | DreamTactix291 | its better there |
07:23:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
07:23:04 | DreamTactix291 | i can't ABX -q6 aoTuV from lossless anyway |
07:23:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | I seriously doubt I could |
07:23:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | But since I have the space at the moment, I might as well |
07:23:38 | DreamTactix291 | well |
07:23:46 | DreamTactix291 | i don't feel like transcoding 80 gigs of wavpack to flac ever |
07:23:46 | DreamTactix291 | so |
07:23:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
07:23:53 | DreamTactix291 | even if i did lossless it would stay wavpack |
07:23:57 | DreamTactix291 | actually |
07:23:59 | DreamTactix291 | it would be like |
07:24:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'd just batch process it over night |
07:24:05 | baobab68 | in terms of battery life any comments on rockbox's capabilities? on iriver firmware ogg is meant to be a battery chewer? |
07:24:07 | DreamTactix291 | 83-85 gigs after conversion |
07:24:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | They haven't been working on improving battery life yet |
07:24:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not seriously, at least. |
07:24:41 | DreamTactix291 | it's still god though |
07:24:43 | DreamTactix291 | good* |
07:24:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's good. In some cases it can be longer, I think. In some not |
07:25:05 | DreamTactix291 | i don't notice very short life with vorbis or mp3 |
07:25:55 | * | Paul_The_Nerd only uses his player for 6 hours at a time, max. |
07:26:28 | DreamTactix291 | i don't even use mine that long at once |
07:26:32 | DreamTactix291 | at home i use my PC most |
07:26:51 | baobab68 | also btw, my converted files appear to have a reference to 'xing' in the headers. does this mean they've got the xing header that helps rb work out the correct time display for vbr, and also since mediamonkey is using LAME, can I expect gapless? |
07:27:18 | DreamTactix291 | LAME does proper VBR headers |
07:27:25 | DreamTactix291 | and as long as media monkey isn't messing with anything |
07:27:28 | DreamTactix291 | you'll have gapless |
07:27:30 | baobab68 | i guess since i'm converting from WMA, it might be "too late" for the gapless info |
07:27:38 | DreamTactix291 | wma is gapless by nature |
07:27:40 | DreamTactix291 | i think |
07:27:46 | DreamTactix291 | one good point |
07:27:57 | baobab68 | no frame size to worry about with WMA? |
07:28:03 | baobab68 | (re gapless) |
07:28:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Every time I read the phrase "converting from WMA" I cringe. |
07:28:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
07:28:27 | DreamTactix291 | yeah me too |
07:29:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Both for the "converting from" part *and* the "WMA" part. :-P |
07:29:42 | baobab68 | look, just accept it man. i will do it anyway and if i don't like the results i will delete them. i prefer to spend a couple days converting than several weeks re-ripping. if it sounds like sh*t, it's my fault. i accept that. at least i will have tried it. |
07:30:05 | ashridah | several weeks reripping?! how slow is your ripping speed? |
07:30:09 | DreamTactix291 | more power to you |
07:30:15 | baobab68 | i have a job, man |
07:30:21 | DreamTactix291 | so do I |
07:30:28 | DreamTactix291 | and i still managed to rip a couple hundred CDs |
07:30:34 | baobab68 | sorry didn't mean it that way. |
07:30:48 | DreamTactix291 | you know what makes it easy |
07:30:52 | baobab68 | but retagging, re-rating |
07:30:58 | DreamTactix291 | well |
07:30:59 | baobab68 | what's that? |
07:31:01 | DreamTactix291 | EAC tags it |
07:31:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
07:31:10 | DreamTactix291 | rip one before you leave for work |
07:31:13 | DreamTactix291 | and rip one when you go to bed |
07:31:20 | DreamTactix291 | and that's two a day and you don't even have to be at the comp |
07:31:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | I can rip something like 4 CDs an hour. |
07:31:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | While doing other things |
07:31:46 | DreamTactix291 | same for me |
07:31:47 | DreamTactix291 | though |
07:31:52 | DreamTactix291 | i replaygain after and such |
07:31:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
07:31:55 | DreamTactix291 | so that adds a bit more time |
07:32:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | I replaygain all of them, much later |
07:32:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Put it all in a playlist in Foobar, and let it do it |
07:32:13 | DreamTactix291 | yep |
07:32:20 | baobab68 | WMP tags it, MediaMonkey tags it. I just don't like the tags... and how do you tag spoken word stuff automatically that you've ripped out of movies? |
07:32:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | True, but it takes like, 3 minutes, to type in the track names and info in EAC before you hit "rip" |
07:32:54 | baobab68 | autotagging's only as good as CDDB and Amazon's databases |
07:33:01 | baobab68 | i'm not that committed |
07:33:04 | DreamTactix291 | EAC uses freedb |
07:33:09 | DreamTactix291 | it tends to be decent |
07:33:15 | * | Paul_The_Nerd shrugs |
07:33:30 | baobab68 | this is "horses for courses" anyway |
07:33:30 | * | ashridah notes he has a cache of all of his own tags already. |
07:33:52 | baobab68 | i wish there was a tool to back up all tags, and then restore them onto a replacement set of files |
07:33:59 | DreamTactix291 | i ripped 7 CDs today |
07:34:14 | DreamTactix291 | there are programs that transfer tags i think |
07:34:17 | DreamTactix291 | beyond that i don't know |
07:34:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | I prepared for the possibility of needing multiple formats |
07:34:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | I burned all my lossless, tagged rips off to DVDs |
07:34:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Data format, of course |
07:34:47 | DreamTactix291 | me too |
07:34:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | So now theoretically there's no need to rip ever again |
07:34:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just transcode off of them |
07:35:23 | baobab68 | according to my MM stats, I have 1064 albums. the very thought of starting back at "A" again.... |
07:35:41 | DreamTactix291 | you own 1064 CDs? |
07:35:53 | baobab68 | close to it.... |
07:36:01 | DreamTactix291 | i wish i had your money |
07:36:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Are |
07:36:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aye |
07:36:14 | DreamTactix291 | i have lik 200 and i think it's a lot |
07:36:35 | baobab68 | i am 38 years old and been buying cd's since i was about 19 |
07:36:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's still 50 a year |
07:36:50 | DreamTactix291 | well yeah that would do it |
07:36:56 | baobab68 | it adds up, just like ripping a couple a day... |
07:36:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's 4 a month |
07:37:12 | DreamTactix291 | well i'm 21 and have about 200 |
07:37:12 | DreamTactix291 | though |
07:37:16 | * | Paul_The_Nerd shrugs |
07:37:17 | DreamTactix291 | i scrounge through used bins |
07:37:26 | ashridah | baobab68: can i burn copies of all of them? :) |
07:37:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm surprised they can still legally sell used CDs |
07:37:33 | baobab68 | but a lot of them were like $1.50 each at flea markets |
07:37:45 | ashridah | *4 months later*... yay, all done |
07:37:47 | baobab68 | ashridah: no but you can have my WMA 64K copies |
07:37:53 | baobab68 | if you want them |
07:37:59 | baobab68 | :-) |
07:38:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
07:38:06 | ashridah | what would i play them with? |
07:38:17 | baobab68 | iriver firmware |
07:38:26 | baobab68 | or you can have my mp3 conversions when i'm done |
07:38:41 | ashridah | i don't like mp3's much either |
07:38:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Until I got rockbox I never knew the iRiver firmware played WMA because I'd never even considered it as a format choice. |
07:38:58 | * | ashridah notes he doesn't have much handy to actually PLAY wma |
07:39:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | One day I read people talking about wanting WMA support, and how it was one of the few features of the iRiver FW that may not get supported |
07:39:07 | ashridah | about all i can think of is mplayer |
07:39:10 | ashridah | and that's not much of a player |
07:39:14 | ashridah | (for audio) |
07:39:32 | baobab68 | scary: among my top 5 artists from MM - moby, regurgitator and cyndi lauper |
07:39:39 | DreamTactix291 | Paul_The_Nerd: i have zero wma files |
07:39:47 | baobab68 | how did i get so much cyndi lauper? |
07:39:47 | ashridah | Paul_The_Nerd: it's possible to support it, it just requires work. someone was talking about doing some of the work for it a few days ago. haven't heard much else yet |
07:39:47 | DreamTactix291 | i don't think i've ever actually seen one |
07:40:16 | ashridah | baobab68: yay, gurg! |
07:40:19 | DreamTactix291 | well i take that back |
07:40:19 | baobab68 | i will keep the WMA's on several data DVDs |
07:40:26 | baobab68 | the gurge are cool |
07:40:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | ahsridah: As I said "may not." At the time I interpreted the discussion around it as being highly unlikely. |
07:40:29 | DreamTactix291 | i downloaded stuff encoded in it for listening tests |
07:40:35 | DreamTactix291 | since i have nothing that can encode wma |
07:40:54 | baobab68 | DreamTactix291: you're not on Windows then |
07:41:04 | DreamTactix291 | yes i am |
07:41:06 | DreamTactix291 | no WMP |
07:41:20 | baobab68 | fair enough |
07:41:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Carved it out, DreamTactix291? |
07:41:34 | DreamTactix291 | yep |
07:41:37 | DreamTactix291 | well as best i could |
07:41:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
07:41:46 | DreamTactix291 | same with IE |
07:41:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've replaced mine with MPC for the most part |
07:41:55 | DreamTactix291 | MPC is great |
07:42:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's handy |
07:42:37 | DreamTactix291 | yes it is |
07:42:44 | DreamTactix291 | especially with QT and Real Alternative |
07:42:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Exactly |
07:42:55 | DreamTactix291 | i can play mov and rm files without having to install all the crap |
07:43:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
07:43:11 | baobab68 | i don't like QT either |
07:43:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oddly enough I had an MKV that was playing both the english and japanese audio tracks simultaneously. I think my filters are being funky and need to be reinstalled. |
07:43:34 | DreamTactix291 | ah |
07:43:36 | DreamTactix291 | yeah sounds like it |
07:43:50 | DreamTactix291 | i don't think anyone is stupid enough to set two tracks as default |
07:43:54 | DreamTactix291 | mkv is awesome btw |
07:44:00 | DreamTactix291 | i really like it as a container |
07:44:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, it wouldn't let me change them anyway |
07:44:17 | baobab68 | well thank u guys for your input about VBR and LAME etc. I hope it doesn' |
07:44:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | I wish it were easier to encode my own DVDs. I hate having to hunt down MKVs or OGMs of mine, but it's still easier than aligning audio by hand, etc. |
07:44:41 | baobab68 | t keep you awake at night, thinking of my poor little music files getting corrupted like that |
07:44:54 | DreamTactix291 | baobab68: it's your stuff |
07:44:58 | DreamTactix291 | i give advice |
07:45:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
07:45:04 | DreamTactix291 | but it's your stuff |
07:45:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | If it doesnt' bother you, go with it |
07:45:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just don't blame us if anything spontaneously bursts into flame |
07:45:28 | baobab68 | :-) |
07:45:28 | DreamTactix291 | lol yeah |
07:45:33 | baobab68 | like my ears |
07:45:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | No. |
07:45:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Those, I fully expect, will hop off your head and hide somewhere |
07:46:01 | DreamTactix291 | lol |
07:46:10 | baobab68 | shall we argue about what headphones we all use now? |
07:46:21 | DreamTactix291 | Shure E3 here |
07:46:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mine fall in the category of "marginally better than crappy" |
07:46:48 | DreamTactix291 | i like mine |
07:46:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Some $15 one from Radioshack. They're actually Koss branded. My cats ate through my good ones. :( |
07:47:08 | DreamTactix291 | i have some koss earbuds |
07:47:12 | baobab68 | Koss The Plug here. |
07:47:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | They actually sound really really good for the "less than $20" category |
07:47:13 | DreamTactix291 | i paid $2 for them :P |
07:47:28 | DreamTactix291 | i'll stick to my E3s |
07:47:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | "Koss Pro 35A Titanium" or somesuch |
07:47:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | I just don't have the cash for nice ones again at the moment |
07:47:48 | baobab68 | i really like them, *except* they take too long to put in |
07:48:11 | DreamTactix291 | i've gotten fast with the E3s |
07:48:38 | baobab68 | are they "squash the rubber thingy and stick it in your ear" like my Plugs? |
07:48:55 | DreamTactix291 | more just put it in your ear |
07:49:22 | baobab68 | i went and tried some noise cancelling ones today. weird.... |
07:49:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | I can't do the "put it in your ear" variety |
07:49:32 | baobab68 | i will stick to "noise blocking" |
07:49:36 | DreamTactix291 | me too |
07:49:42 | DreamTactix291 | oh i'm used to it |
07:49:47 | DreamTactix291 | you get used to canalphones |
07:51:20 | baobab68 | yeah i have... i couldn't believe the difference between my Koss's and the iriver standard Sennheisers. |
07:51:40 | DreamTactix291 | my iriver didn't even have senns :P |
07:51:45 | ghode|afk | hey DreamTactix291; sorry to but in, but what do you think of the E3s? i have the sony ex71s and e2cs atm and i think i am in need of an upgrade |
07:51:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't even remember the ones with my iRiver |
07:51:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Way too long ago. |
07:52:10 | DreamTactix291 | ghode|afk: once i found a way to get a good seal i really liked them |
07:52:21 | DreamTactix291 | i used to have EX71s but they suffered the cord fraying problem |
07:52:57 | DreamTactix291 | in terms of comfort |
07:53:04 | ghode|afk | hehe had my ex71s for over a year, and not had any issues. but i've gone through my 2nd e2cs. at least shure has excellent CS |
07:53:05 | baobab68 | anyway, thank you again chaps for your advice... long live the day when I can actually *hear* my converted MP3's on my 320... not far off i hope... |
07:53:07 | DreamTactix291 | the EX71s were more comfortable to wear |
07:53:32 | ghode|afk | yeah a lot easier to fit then the e2c. shame the sound isn't too great |
07:53:41 | DreamTactix291 | yep |
07:53:42 | baobab68 | keep up the good work and keep me in mind if help is needed with the iriver manual at some stage |
07:53:52 | ghode|afk | what is the bass on the e3s like compared to the ex71s? |
07:53:57 | DreamTactix291 | less |
07:54:02 | DreamTactix291 | but i like the E3s sound more |
07:54:13 | DreamTactix291 | overall |
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07:54:16 | DreamTactix291 | better mids and highs |
07:54:17 | ghode|afk | a lot less? :p |
07:54:25 | DreamTactix291 | well i'm not a bass head |
07:54:25 | DreamTactix291 | but |
07:54:27 | | Part baobab68 |
07:54:32 | DreamTactix291 | it's not deficient or anything |
07:54:33 | ghode|afk | okey, |
07:55:01 | ghode|afk | i am not a total bass head, but my music is more towards the bass side of the spectrum |
07:55:07 | DreamTactix291 | i can't compare to the E2s since i never owned one |
07:55:10 | DreamTactix291 | what genre/s? |
07:55:37 | ghode|afk | nothing too specific. some dnb/trance/industrial |
07:55:45 | DreamTactix291 | ah |
07:55:50 | DreamTactix291 | more prog rock/metal here |
07:56:13 | ghode|afk | well thats encouraging |
07:56:32 | DreamTactix291 | i've listened to trance through the E3s though |
07:56:34 | DreamTactix291 | and it sounds fine |
07:57:07 | ghode|afk | seems like the e3 is a nice step up, although i am tempted to go for a duel driver IEM |
07:57:32 | DreamTactix291 | it's worth looking into |
07:57:32 | ghode|afk | do you think to e3s are comfortable to wear while sleeping? |
07:57:36 | DreamTactix291 | no |
07:57:38 | DreamTactix291 | not at all |
07:57:56 | DreamTactix291 | i find if i lay on them they push in my ear too far and the sound muffles |
07:58:01 | DreamTactix291 | my EX71s didn't have that problem |
07:58:02 | ghode|afk | meh :/ |
07:58:19 | ghode|afk | yeah they are my current bedtime phones |
07:58:31 | DreamTactix291 | keep the EX71s for that |
07:58:44 | DreamTactix291 | you don't care as much about sound quality when you're trying to sleep :P |
07:58:46 | ghode|afk | had to do that with my e2cs. |
07:58:51 | ghode|afk | ya true :) |
07:59:03 | DreamTactix291 | i have a pair of EX51s i've had forever i use for sleeping |
07:59:50 | ghode|afk | if only shops would allow testing of iems. would make things so much easier :/ |
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08:00:07 | DreamTactix291 | i know |
08:00:11 | DreamTactix291 | then again |
08:00:21 | DreamTactix291 | most people i know think i'm crazy for having my E3s |
08:00:31 | DreamTactix291 | "those cost too much" and such from people |
08:01:20 | ghode|afk | hehe some people said that to me when i said i spent Ł35 on my ex71s, then they thought i should be locked up when i bought the e2cs |
08:01:33 | DreamTactix291 | lol |
08:01:36 | DreamTactix291 | screw them |
08:01:57 | DreamTactix291 | people think i'm crazy for having a stereo receiver and bookshelf speakers hooked to my soundcard through S/PDIF :) |
08:02:10 | ghode|afk | yeah. i wonder what they'll say if i bought some westone um2s (Ł250) |
08:02:20 | DreamTactix291 | yeah |
08:02:51 | ghode|afk | yeah sorry man, thats totally crazy !!! |
08:03:10 | DreamTactix291 | nah i've seen crazier |
08:03:39 | DreamTactix291 | audiofool goodness |
08:04:00 | ghode|afk | hehe its an expensive road once you start on it |
08:04:09 | DreamTactix291 | well |
08:04:20 | DreamTactix291 | i don't consider decent equipment audiophilia |
08:04:25 | DreamTactix291 | real audiophilia is scary |
08:04:52 | DreamTactix291 | if your stereo costs more than your house and your neighbour's house then you are an audiofool |
08:05:07 | ghode|afk | lol that seems crazy >< |
08:05:13 | DreamTactix291 | i've seen it |
08:05:16 | DreamTactix291 | and some crazy stuff |
08:05:24 | DreamTactix291 | like stuff that claims to make CDs sound better |
08:05:27 | DreamTactix291 | when you stick it on them |
08:05:30 | DreamTactix291 | and other craziness |
08:06:38 | ghode|afk | meh way out of my league :/ |
08:06:46 | DreamTactix291 | you're sane |
08:06:51 | DreamTactix291 | even if you had the money |
08:06:59 | DreamTactix291 | i'd hope you wouldn't blow it on that :| |
08:07:15 | DreamTactix291 | my favourite are the $2000 speaker cables and such |
08:07:26 | ghode|afk | ... |
08:07:39 | ghode|afk | you mean for the speakers right? cos that i can understand... |
08:07:58 | DreamTactix291 | no |
08:08:00 | DreamTactix291 | the wire |
08:08:07 | DreamTactix291 | the speakers would be like $20000 in that case |
08:08:10 | DreamTactix291 | each |
08:08:33 | ghode|afk | man some people :/ |
08:08:38 | DreamTactix291 | yes |
08:08:55 | DreamTactix291 | cable elevators to keep the wire off the floor |
08:08:57 | DreamTactix291 | i've seen those |
08:09:00 | DreamTactix291 | i've seen some crazy stuff |
08:09:05 | DreamTactix291 | i'll see if i can link you |
08:09:24 | ghode|afk | thanks, i want to me wow'd |
08:10:40 | DreamTactix291 | http://www.ilikejam.dsl.pipex.com/audiophile.htm |
08:10:51 | DreamTactix291 | that's some crazy stuff |
08:12:42 | ghode|afk | geeez |
08:12:51 | DreamTactix291 | it's good laughs though |
08:13:09 | ghode|afk | 9000 for speaker cables |
08:13:31 | DreamTactix291 | look below that one |
08:13:40 | ghode|afk | 7000 for volume knobs. damnit :/ |
08:13:55 | DreamTactix291 | $30,750.00 speaker cable |
08:13:56 | ghode|afk | hah how did i miss that :/ |
08:14:13 | DreamTactix291 | see what i mean by |
08:14:23 | DreamTactix291 | if your equipment costs more than yours and your neighbour's house |
08:14:24 | DreamTactix291 | and really |
08:14:36 | DreamTactix291 | they have no benefits over much cheaper stuff at those prices |
08:14:45 | ghode|afk | no :/ |
08:15:05 | DreamTactix291 | speaker cable seriously doesn't matter much |
08:15:09 | ghode|afk | but i guess they wouldnt price this stuff if there wasn't a market |
08:15:11 | DreamTactix291 | as long as its proper gauge |
08:15:22 | DreamTactix291 | speakers need to be decent |
08:15:27 | ghode|afk | not according to OPUS :p |
08:15:28 | DreamTactix291 | but decent ends at a certain price |
08:15:48 | DreamTactix291 | i like the ultra tweeter |
08:16:42 | DreamTactix291 | 1GHz ultrasound |
08:17:09 | ghode|afk | "Ah, the classic audiophile fleecing in action. $1,500 for a, what, 3 feet long kettle lead?" - hehe |
08:17:26 | DreamTactix291 | see |
08:17:35 | DreamTactix291 | it's funny |
08:17:39 | DreamTactix291 | and this stuff is real too |
08:18:40 | ghode|afk | i think i should just stick to my ex71s :) |
08:19:00 | DreamTactix291 | lol |
08:19:50 | ghode|afk | well maybe i'll check out the e3s, then the e5s maybe go for some custom mold westones you know just to see.... |
08:20:18 | DreamTactix291 | Cable Elevators Plus |
08:20:19 | DreamTactix291 | God forbid your insulated speaker cables should touch anything as audiophilically damaging as your carpet. |
08:20:36 | DreamTactix291 | i want custom moulds |
08:20:38 | DreamTactix291 | just for comfort |
08:20:54 | DreamTactix291 | this one cracks me up too |
08:20:55 | DreamTactix291 | The Altmann Acoustic Panel |
08:20:55 | DreamTactix291 | How much for an 80x50cm plank of wood? Two bucks? Maybe three? Hell no, this is audiophile wood. Yours for $240. |
08:21:25 | CheeseBurgerMan | yeah, that's amazing. |
08:21:36 | CheeseBurgerMan | I've saved the best for last. This is the famous 'Silver Rock Signature Knob'. |
08:21:37 | CheeseBurgerMan | A piece of pure... wood. |
08:21:38 | CheeseBurgerMan | Shaped into the form of... a knob. |
08:21:39 | ghode|afk | .... |
08:21:39 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK CheeseBurgerMan |
08:21:39 | CheeseBurgerMan | For... a volume control. |
08:21:40 | CheeseBurgerMan | I could be wrong, but I think it's just a wooden volume knob. You can have the pleasure of personally twiddling this audiophile essential for a positively insane $485. |
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08:21:41 | CheeseBurgerMan | But wait, there's more! Or maybe less, because they're made for the 'Silver Rock Potentiometer' linked above. So you'll need two of them. $970. Bargain. |
08:22:04 | CheeseBurgerMan | That "amazing" was referring to the price, and not the qualities of the wood. ;) |
08:22:08 | ghode|afk | man i am in the wrong line of work :/ |
08:22:11 | DreamTactix291 | i know |
08:22:14 | CheeseBurgerMan | lol |
08:22:16 | DreamTactix291 | i could be rich |
08:22:18 | DreamTactix291 | crazy rich |
08:22:18 | CheeseBurgerMan | Yeah, that's what I should do. |
08:22:45 | CheeseBurgerMan | I could sell wooden knobs for 500 USD apiece! |
08:22:56 | CheeseBurgerMan | :D |
08:23:13 | ghode|afk | its like get some metal/wood look up some words in a thesaurus, and boom instant riches |
08:23:24 | DreamTactix291 | yep |
08:23:30 | ghode|afk | nah i'd undercut them, sell them for like 450 :P |
08:23:34 | CheeseBurgerMan | lol |
08:24:04 | DreamTactix291 | you're generous |
08:24:28 | ghode|afk | yeah guess i;d suck at business :( |
08:27:14 | DreamTactix291 | http://www.mother-of-tone.com/cd.htm <−− they get nyquist theorum wrong |
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08:36:17 | Acksaw | hello |
08:37:46 | DreamTactix291 | yo |
08:38:19 | Jungti1234 | hi |
08:38:39 | Acksaw | any ideas what the improvements are in todays h300 build? |
08:39:30 | DreamTactix291 | look at the changelog |
08:39:31 | Jungti1234 | Don't seem to be. |
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08:52:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm sure there'll be announcement when sound is working |
08:53:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, with that page DreamTactix291, that you linked... is the kind somewhat thick. I mean, I know very little about sound, but I see where both the "Pulse" and "Modulation" in PCM come in, when he says neither are there... |
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09:06:16 | Membrillo | In rockbox, or the iriver port in particular, what ways of music searching are there (eg, Directory, Shuffle etc) |
09:08:08 | Membrillo | ...........? |
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09:09:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Music *searching?* |
09:09:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Like, what do you mean? |
09:09:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Shuffle is hardly a search... |
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09:14:17 | Membrillo | yeah, i didnt know what word to use |
09:14:25 | Membrillo | you know what i mean though |
09:15:16 | Membrillo | is it possible to shuffle songs from two folders back including subfolders. Eg, i have a root -> artists -> albums -> songs setup. On rockbox am i able to shuffle all songs by an artist? |
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09:17:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you go into that artist's folder, and choose Create Playlist in the menu, then it'll create one for all songs by that artist |
09:17:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then, if you play it with shuffle enabled, it'll shuffle all of them |
09:17:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Everything is playlist based, but it's pretty easy to add folders, or nested sets of folders, etc, to a playlist to get the functionality you like |
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09:19:01 | amiconn | For playing subfolders (shuffled or not) it's not necessary to create an on-disk playlist first |
09:19:07 | moda|lap | does the latest build for h300 play audio? |
09:19:19 | amiconn | ...using rockbox' dynamic playlist features |
09:19:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | True... Was just thinking how I habitually do it.. =/ |
09:20:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | moda|lap: The changelog is on the front page. |
09:20:53 | amiconn | It works exactly as I described here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1938.msg13053#msg13053 Only difference is that you would place the cursor at the desired artist folder |
09:21:07 | moda|lap | ok, so im guessing no audio playback yet.. |
09:23:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | It may be a little while yet. |
09:23:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm sure it'll be pretty widely announced (or at least on the front page at Misticaudio) when it happens |
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09:49:54 | Soul-E | just a question. What is the possibility of reading doc or pdfs on rbx |
09:50:15 | Jungti1234 | hey markun wake up! |
09:52:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'd guess Doc is pretty unlikely |
09:52:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Seeing as word processors even have trouble keeping doc compatibility |
09:52:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | As for PDF, if you can find someone to do it. :-P |
09:55:50 | Soul-E | i see |
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10:34:54 | Bger | morning :) |
10:35:09 | Bger | amiconn: are you here ? |
10:37:55 | markun | Jungti1234 :) |
10:40:45 | Jungti1234 | hi |
10:40:57 | markun | morning |
10:41:09 | Acksaw | mornin' |
10:41:20 | markun | I wanted to visit my family, but because of all the snow the country has come to a stand still :) |
10:41:43 | Acksaw | markun, england? |
10:41:48 | markun | Netherlands |
10:41:51 | Jungti1234 | keke |
10:41:52 | Acksaw | ahh |
10:41:58 | Acksaw | we are expecting snow |
10:42:04 | Ctcp | Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 25 minutes and 53 seconds at the last flood |
10:42:04 | * | Acksaw np: System of a Down - Vicinity of Obscenity [02:54m/192Kbps/44KHz] |
10:42:16 | Jungti1234 | yes |
10:42:41 | Jungti1234 | Here is cold. |
10:43:16 | Jungti1234 | markun: There is new font to me. |
10:43:27 | amiconn | Bger: I am, sort of |
10:43:34 | markun | hangul font? |
10:43:37 | Jungti1234 | yes |
10:43:42 | Bger | hm, how to get (read) the value of upmost byte of GPIO on iriver ? |
10:43:49 | Bger | amiconn |
10:43:53 | Jungti1234 | It's smart. |
10:44:03 | markun | I would prefer a unicode font with more than just hangul |
10:44:06 | Bger | can you see this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverH3XXHardwareComponents#Recognizing_which_remote_is_plug |
10:44:27 | Jungti1234 | hmm.. |
10:44:41 | Jungti1234 | I will find it. |
10:44:51 | amiconn | Bger: From last night's log and the table in the wiki, it seems the bit only tells us that a remote is plugged, but not which one |
10:44:52 | Bger | my questions is whether we can use this values to distinguish h100 and h300 lcd remotes |
10:45:24 | amiconn | However, it might be possible to tell both remotes apart by using the remote_lock bit |
10:45:46 | amiconn | I wonder how iriver does that... |
10:45:48 | Bger | but ... |
10:46:44 | markun | I think we don't have to know which remote is connected and can detect the keys of both in the same function |
10:47:27 | amiconn | Unfortunately the mapping of keys->adc voltage is different for both remotes |
10:48:56 | Bger | hm :( |
10:48:59 | Bger | you're right |
10:49:05 | Bger | there's only one bit change |
10:49:13 | amiconn | yup |
10:49:31 | amiconn | Linus added a comment to the wiki page you mentioned |
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10:49:42 | Bger | :( |
10:50:04 | amiconn | Bger: What are the GPIO1 values with/without the H300 remote plugged? |
10:50:07 | Bger | heh, just saw the comment |
10:50:19 | Bger | just a sec to check |
10:50:22 | markun | As long as both remotes don't use the same adc values (for different keys) there is no problem, is there? |
10:50:35 | amiconn | They do |
10:51:11 | amiconn | E.g. 0x7F is REC on the H100 remote, but Play/Pause on the H300 remote |
10:51:29 | Bger | hm, amiconn\ |
10:51:38 | Bger | no change afaics |
10:51:40 | Bger | :( |
10:51:44 | amiconn | Okay. |
10:52:05 | Bger | you mean GPIO1_READ, don't you ? |
10:52:12 | amiconn | yes |
10:52:34 | amiconn | What value? |
10:52:34 | Bger | hm, i lied |
10:53:07 | Bger | with remote GPIO1_READ is 068(A/B)(6/7)674 |
10:53:10 | Bger | without |
10:53:30 | Bger | 069(A/B)(6/7)674 |
10:53:40 | Bger | the values in the brackets are alternating all the time |
10:53:45 | markun | An the H1xx or H3xx? |
10:53:53 | markun | s/an/on |
10:53:56 | Bger | h340 with h300 remote |
10:54:05 | ghode|afk | lcd or non lcd? |
10:54:13 | Bger | LCD of course |
10:54:34 | amiconn | I wonder whether the H300 non-lcd remote is agian different... |
10:54:46 | Bger | amiconn i can check ... but not now |
10:55:03 | Bger | i have one (i got the intl version and it comes with non-lcd remote) |
10:55:08 | Bger | but i'm not at home ... |
10:55:25 | * | amiconn should really get such a beast |
10:55:44 | Bger | and i don't know when i'll go home .. :) |
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10:58:10 | Bger | heh the diff between the 2 GPIO1_READs is 1 bit again |
10:58:35 | Bger | i suppose this doesn't help us in any way |
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11:00:37 | Bger | anyway... |
11:01:23 | Bger | which will be better : to distinguish remotes runtime (when/if we find out how to do it) or to select them compiletime ? |
11:01:55 | amiconn | Bger: The interesting part is that you say digit 4 is alternating between A and B all the time |
11:02:10 | amiconn | Does it look somewhat regular? |
11:02:24 | Bger | i don't think so :( |
11:02:43 | Bger | at least it isn't obvious |
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11:06:01 | Bger | the only thing i can say is that A/B is alternating a way more often than 6/7 |
11:06:50 | Bger | sometimes it's ~Hz ... sometimes at least 3Hz |
11:07:05 | amiconn | hmm |
11:07:05 | Bger | s/~Hz/~1Hz |
11:09:08 | Bger | what are these pins for? |
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11:11:09 | amiconn | Bger: The known port bits are documented here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortPinAssignments |
11:11:20 | Bger | 12 and 16 |
11:11:34 | amiconn | I though that I found a possible method, but it tured out that I just confused something |
11:12:43 | Bger | what does "SCL" mean ? |
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11:27:40 | webguest07 | how is the h3xx port going? |
11:28:06 | Bger | so-so :0 |
11:28:39 | webguest07 | ? |
11:28:59 | Bger | do you have rockbox on your h3x0 ? (i suppose you have a h3x0) |
11:29:43 | webguest07 | yep :D |
11:29:57 | Bger | then ... do you have non-lcd remote ? |
11:30:05 | webguest07 | nope:( |
11:30:15 | Bger | okay, never mind :) |
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11:30:45 | webguest07 | i read thet linus now can listen to music on his h3x0 :D |
11:30:58 | webguest07 | when will we have this feature? |
11:31:10 | Bger | there's obvious hardware diff between the h300 and h100 LCD remotes ... and as amiconn noted it'll be interesting to see how the h300 non-lcd remote behaves |
11:31:31 | Bger | webguest07: linus had sound on his h320 .... |
11:31:32 | webguest07 | aaaha:D |
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11:31:33 | Zak1392 | i have a non lcd remote |
11:31:38 | Raskolnikov | hi all |
11:31:42 | Bger | Zak1392 |
11:32:00 | Bger | can you go to the menu -> info -> debug (keep out) -> View I/O Ports |
11:32:09 | Zak1392 | why? |
11:32:13 | webguest07 | but i read that he listened to aerosmith |
11:32:15 | Bger | and see what changes when you press the buttons on the remote |
11:33:49 | Bger | if you check that, please, write the values that change here or (preferably) on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverH3XXHardwareComponents#H300_Responses_from_iRiver_remot |
11:34:16 | Bger | gotta go, see u in the evening |
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11:43:08 | Zak1392 | the only changes i see are that at number 2nd to the right from the gp101_read line changes from a 7 to a 3 when i press the play/pause button |
11:43:18 | Zak1392 | the aother buttons don't do anything |
11:48:41 | Zak1392 | *gpi01 |
11:48:55 | Zak1392 | does it help? |
11:55:15 | Zak1392 | let me rephrase: the numbernest to GPI01_READ changes from 069A6674 to 069A6634 (although A changes to B and back a lot and the 2nd 6 sometimes changes to a 7) |
11:55:27 | Zak1392 | *number next |
11:55:46 | Zak1392 | - when i press play/pause |
11:56:02 | * | Zak1392 slaps Zak1392 around a bit with a large trout |
11:56:59 | Zak1392 | GPIO_READ cahnges from D81BFAA8 to 981BFAA8 when i plug in the remote too |
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12:08:55 | Membrillo | can someone explain to me rockbox's "Dynamic Playlist Features" |
12:09:59 | Membrillo | no? |
12:11:35 | Zak1392 | where's that? |
12:12:03 | Membrillo | I was reading the IRC logs, wait a sec ill find it again |
12:12:22 | Membrillo | someone was talking aboutit |
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12:13:47 | Membrillo | <amiconn> For playing subfolders (shuffled or not) it's not necessary to create an on-disk playlist first |
12:13:48 | Membrillo | <amiconn> ...using rockbox' dynamic playlist features |
12:14:37 | Membrillo | ? how do the rockbox playlists work without saving it on disk? |
12:16:12 | amiconn | If you checked the log... just a few lines further I provided a link into a forum thread |
12:16:22 | Membrillo | ah |
12:16:39 | Membrillo | i shall read on |
12:16:59 | Membrillo | danka |
12:21:09 | Membrillo | amiconn: whats 'Recursively Insert Directories' do? |
12:23:11 | linuxstb | It means that when you add a directory to the current playlist, it will recursively add the contents of all the sub-directories as well. |
12:24:50 | Membrillo | ah, genious. Thats the option I want. So, when you create playlists like that, where would it save them. Is it possible to make temporary playlists? for example, deleting them on player turn off? because i wouldnt listen to a playlist more than once and having to search for them and delete them everytime i create one would suck |
12:25:34 | amiconn | On-the-fly (dynamic) playlists aren't saved as .m3u |
12:25:59 | Membrillo | ah, how are they saved? |
12:26:34 | amiconn | They are created in memory, and the steps to create them (not the playlist itself!) are stored in a special file |
12:26:48 | amiconn | .rockbox/.playlist_control |
12:27:07 | amiconn | This file gets overwritten when you create another playlist |
12:28:23 | amiconn | You don't have to worry about rockbox cluttering your drive with playlists |
12:28:24 | Membrillo | Wow, thats clever! so you couldnt have multiple OTF playlists then? |
12:28:40 | linuxstb | There is an option to save the current dynamic playlist to a file if you want to. |
12:28:44 | Membrillo | not that i would need them actually, but theoretically? |
12:28:47 | amiconn | You can save a playlist as a regular .m3u |
12:29:32 | Membrillo | super. ^^^ what about having multiple OTF playlists? |
12:31:47 | linuxstb | Do you mean having multiple ".playlist_control" type files? |
12:32:20 | amiconn | You can, using rockbox' bookmark feature |
12:32:46 | Membrillo | oh ok |
12:32:50 | Membrillo | nice |
12:32:57 | Membrillo | you guys have thought of everything |
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12:35:02 | Membrillo | methinks there should be a link to the bootloader page on the front page in the left frame. Its always so hard to find it |
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12:56:06 | amiconn | Hmm. It seems audio playback in the x11 simulator is broken. I only get static, both under cygwin and debian. Win32 works both natively and under wine. |
12:56:57 | preglow | GCC can now partition functions in sections of hot and cold code. This can significantly improve performance due to better instruction cache locality. |
12:57:03 | preglow | someone test gcc 4.1, please :) |
12:57:26 | amiconn | I refuse to do so as long as the gcc team prefers to ignore bug reports :( |
12:57:52 | amiconn | s/ignore bug reports/pretend a bug isn't a bug/ |
12:58:01 | preglow | i think this change might matter quite a bit for coldfire |
12:58:07 | preglow | if it works well |
12:58:23 | preglow | nah, they're probably just ignoring it |
12:58:34 | preglow | they need a lot of prodding to accept one |
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12:59:59 | preglow | url to the bug again? |
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13:00:43 | amiconn | http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=24863 |
13:00:44 | webguest31 | is crossfade automatically enabled if shuffle is selected ?, cant find the info in the manual |
13:01:27 | preglow | of course it's not |
13:01:35 | preglow | you always have to enable it yourself |
13:01:38 | Acksaw | anyone bought a t-dimension skin for there h300? |
13:01:51 | amiconn | There is an option for this. Set 'Enable Crossfade' to 'Suffle' |
13:02:24 | amiconn | That means it will be active when Shuffle is selected, otherwise disabled |
13:02:56 | preglow | oh, you need to prod them more |
13:03:00 | preglow | they'll never answer that now |
13:04:01 | * | webguest31 prods spmepne with a blunt instrument |
13:04:39 | webguest31 | sorry about my prodding, I have major lag here, dont know why |
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13:05:14 | webguest31 | thanks amiconn, |
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13:17:35 | Lear | preglow: Strange... Tried that floor0 file again now, and it worked just fine. |
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13:27:18 | markun | preglow, linuxstb: what are you working on for the ipod port? |
13:28:37 | preglow | markun: exception and startup code, but not right now |
13:29:14 | markun | maybe I couls start on some code for the DAC next week |
13:29:35 | Jungti1234 | hmm.. |
13:30:07 | Jungti1234 | The P2P speed is slow. |
13:30:52 | Membrillo | with the rockbox bootloaders in generalities, how much is it editing the original firmware and how much is it sticking in your code fresh |
13:31:47 | preglow | we never edit the original firmware |
13:32:17 | preglow | the only thing we do is modify the entrance point and add our bootloader to an unused section |
13:32:23 | preglow | entry point, yes |
13:33:22 | Membrillo | oh ok, sweet. So you have a bit of code at the very start of the firmware which says load rockbox from here before you load this. Or is it a bit more complex than that |
13:33:35 | preglow | we just jump to our bootloader straight away |
13:33:43 | preglow | the branching is done from within that again |
13:34:03 | Membrillo | fair enough |
13:34:18 | Membrillo | so what are the main problems in writing a bootloader? what makes it tricky |
13:34:48 | preglow | that you brick the player if you make a mistake? |
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13:53:43 | linuxstb | markun: I'm working on the i2c code at the moment. We need that to communicate with the DAC, which is what I am probably going to look at next as well. |
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14:04:04 | Jungti1234 | markun, did you see mail that I send? |
14:04:25 | markun | yes, shall I send you a .lng? |
14:04:48 | Jungti1234 | yes |
14:05:07 | Jungti1234 | And |
14:05:17 | Jungti1234 | I want to send 2 bdf files. |
14:05:50 | Jungti1234 | Convert it to fnt file. |
14:06:04 | Jungti1234 | And send to me again. |
14:06:31 | Jungti1234 | ok? |
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14:18:30 | Jungti1234 | markun? |
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14:36:00 | markun | Jungti1234: ok |
14:36:09 | Jungti1234 | -_-; |
14:36:25 | Jungti1234 | Did you understand? |
14:37:03 | markun | yes, send them to me |
14:37:31 | Jungti1234 | ok, wait |
14:38:07 | Jungti1234 | Did you send .lng to me? |
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14:42:05 | aliask | linuxstb: What target are you doing that i2c stuff for? |
14:42:06 | markun | not yet. I was busy |
14:42:13 | markun | aliask: ipod |
14:42:33 | aliask | Thought so. |
14:42:42 | aliask | I'm loving rockbox so much |
14:42:52 | aliask | Pity I can't listen to music on it yet on my H300 :( |
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14:45:54 | markun | Jungti1234: file sent |
14:49:45 | Jungti1234 | markun: I sent file, too. |
14:50:01 | Jungti1234 | ah |
14:50:09 | Jungti1234 | Is sending. |
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14:53:26 | Jungti1234 | markun, Receive. |
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15:03:27 | markun | why are you sending gulim again? |
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15:12:00 | Acksaw | Hell yeah. |
15:12:00 | * | Acksaw np: Metallica - Master of puppets [08:54m/192Kbps/44KHz] |
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15:16:17 | amiconn | Jungti1234: Does the korean iriver firmware display the menus in korean, or in english? |
15:16:32 | Jungti1234 | english. |
15:17:39 | Jungti1234 | iRiver doesn't change it to Korean. |
15:18:13 | amiconn | Hmm. |
15:18:18 | * | amiconn wonders why |
15:18:49 | amiconn | So all iriver firmware versions display their menus in english |
15:19:09 | Jungti1234 | no |
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15:19:31 | Jungti1234 | IFP's firmware is Korean. |
15:20:01 | amiconn | Ah ok |
15:20:18 | amiconn | I mean all iriver H1x0 and H3x0 firmwares |
15:20:23 | Jungti1234 | ah.. |
15:20:24 | Jungti1234 | yes |
15:20:36 | amiconn | This is even worse than the original firmware of the old archos devices |
15:20:47 | Jungti1234 | haha |
15:21:07 | amiconn | The old archos firmware supported 3 languages |
15:21:13 | amiconn | english, french and german |
15:21:24 | amiconn | Rockbox supports much more |
15:21:30 | Jungti1234 | yes |
15:21:41 | amiconn | I hope that we get unicode support into cvs soon |
15:21:45 | Jungti1234 | :) |
15:21:52 | markun | me too |
15:21:58 | amiconn | (needs some preparations for archos first - size problems) |
15:22:11 | markun | amiconn: did you try the patch from my webserver? |
15:22:13 | amiconn | The rockbox can support korean, japanese, chinese... |
15:22:22 | amiconn | *Then |
15:22:31 | amiconn | markun: I tried yesterday |
15:22:38 | amiconn | Didn't you receive my comment? |
15:22:57 | markun | no, didn't see them |
15:23:12 | amiconn | 800 bytes too much on recorder v1 :( |
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15:24:09 | markun | amiconn: do you want to look into making the rockbox image self extracting? |
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15:26:53 | Jungti1234 | thanks markun |
15:28:53 | Acksaw | Off to never never land. |
15:29:13 | Jungti1234 | What is its version? |
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15:30:02 | XavierGr | my opinion is that a self extracting image is the only way to go. |
15:30:23 | XavierGr | now or in feature the same problem will be present for players. |
15:30:35 | XavierGr | so why don't give it a go? |
15:32:32 | Jungti1234 | hmm..Why does my H100 get into panic state? |
15:33:39 | Jungti1234 | When it did ON for a long time, get into panic. |
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15:35:45 | Jungti1234 | This message sees. |
15:35:46 | Jungti1234 | *PANIC* |
15:35:46 | Jungti1234 | Stkov remotescrol |
15:35:46 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Jungti1234 |
15:35:46 | Jungti1234 | 1 |
15:37:04 | _FireFly_ | hmm stackoverflow in remotescroll |
15:37:35 | Benacool | what have you done to make this message appear ? |
15:37:52 | Benacool | i have a h100 remote too< |
15:38:05 | Jungti1234 | For a long time, H100 did ON. |
15:38:23 | Jungti1234 | I don't have remote control. |
15:38:57 | _FireFly_ | this shouldn't happen if no remote is connected afiak |
15:39:03 | _FireFly_ | afaik |
15:39:12 | Acksaw | anyone used any of the Eli_Sherars's rocks? |
15:39:33 | Jungti1234 | afaik? |
15:39:44 | Acksaw | As far as i know |
15:39:53 | Jungti1234 | -_-; |
15:39:59 | Benacool | me |
15:40:12 | Jungti1234 | Such word is hard translation. |
15:40:14 | Benacool | acksaw: me i have them |
15:40:34 | Acksaw | yeh there cool |
15:40:39 | Acksaw | the paint is a bit crappy |
15:40:42 | Acksaw | but bejeweled is ace |
15:40:46 | Benacool | early stage ;-) |
15:40:49 | Benacool | yea! |
15:40:54 | Acksaw | are you eli? |
15:40:56 | Benacool | i play it now lol |
15:41:02 | Acksaw | same hre |
15:41:04 | Benacool | me ? no |
15:41:08 | Acksaw | i just died on 98 =] |
15:42:27 | Benacool | but it's a little bit lagy for now |
15:42:37 | Acksaw | yeh |
15:42:50 | Acksaw | i think the buttons need switching |
15:42:53 | Acksaw | to change blocks around |
15:42:55 | Acksaw | i think on |
15:43:00 | Acksaw | so you can play with two hands |
15:43:09 | Acksaw | or both |
15:43:12 | Acksaw | like navi and on |
15:43:29 | Acksaw | (used to playing tetris that way) |
15:44:10 | Benacool | yea |
15:44:22 | Acksaw | woo |
15:44:23 | Acksaw | level 2 |
15:44:26 | Benacool | you can suggest him on MR |
15:45:12 | Jungti1234 | hmm.. markun |
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15:49:00 | Acksaw | level 3 |
15:49:23 | Benacool | i was at 97 of level one and i got stck -_- |
15:49:27 | Benacool | stuck* |
15:49:33 | Acksaw | same here |
15:49:36 | Acksaw | on 98 though |
15:49:38 | Acksaw | this is my seocnd go |
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15:52:51 | babysimon | Is it just me, or is there a key-binding missing on the iRiver remote? |
15:53:15 | babysimon | When I hold down menu on the main unit I get a context menu. |
15:53:15 | ashridah | wouldn't surprise me |
15:53:25 | babysimon | But that dioesn't happen on the remote. |
15:53:30 | _FireFly_ | babysimon: long press play |
15:53:39 | babysimon | Aha! |
15:53:43 | babysimon | Thank you. |
15:54:06 | babysimon | Any reason why it's the other way round? |
15:54:08 | _FireFly_ | btw the main has no button menu |
15:54:15 | _FireFly_ | it's the select button ;) |
15:55:03 | _FireFly_ | i mean no button named menu |
15:55:12 | Acksaw | level 4 =] |
15:55:49 | babysimon | Well, thanks. I'm happy now :) |
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16:01:26 | Acksaw | level 5!! |
16:02:43 | Acksaw | aww |
16:02:46 | Acksaw | no more moves |
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16:06:27 | Benacool | <_FireFly_>: to enter the context menu it's supposed to hold pressing the NAVI button but on the remote it's assigned to the play button... a little fix to do imagine |
16:06:39 | Benacool | I imagine* |
16:06:58 | Benacool | (H100 remote) |
16:07:23 | Acksaw | hey phillip |
16:07:31 | Philip | hello |
16:07:40 | Acksaw | have you got the eli sherars plugins? |
16:08:02 | Philip | i've tried rockpaint and just downloaded bejeweled |
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16:08:11 | Philip | have not tried it yet |
16:08:12 | Acksaw | bejewled rawks |
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16:09:01 | Philip | i'll give it a go once this song finishes... |
16:10:30 | Acksaw | i got to level 5 |
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16:14:29 | eli_sherer | how do i print_screen into an unsigned short array... |
16:14:55 | Acksaw | hey eli |
16:15:01 | Acksaw | bejeweled rocks |
16:15:05 | eli_sherer | thanks... |
16:15:13 | Acksaw | i few suggestions if i may? |
16:15:22 | eli_sherer | you may...:) |
16:15:35 | Acksaw | change the colour of the like blue diamonds |
16:15:43 | Acksaw | there hard to see against the rockbox blue background |
16:15:46 | _FireFly_ | like ?? |
16:16:01 | Acksaw | and make the play button do the same as the navi |
16:16:07 | _FireFly_ | i think do you mean lite |
16:16:08 | Acksaw | as its easier press for some |
16:16:17 | Acksaw | yeh lite * |
16:16:18 | eli_sherer | the colors i made were just to show that colors can be done... |
16:16:26 | eli_sherer | it was a quick release |
16:16:26 | Acksaw | i see |
16:17:02 | eli_sherer | i really need to know hoe to getpixels from the lcd screen |
16:19:50 | Philip | it is soo adactive ;p |
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16:31:32 | Philip | arn't you meant to be able to score diagonally?? |
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16:32:31 | Benacool | no |
16:32:55 | Jungti1234 | markun |
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16:40:05 | eli_sherer | i am making a menu right now... |
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16:59:17 | Philip | the background colour sometimes changes... is this meant to happen?? |
16:59:54 | eli_sherer | what do you mean? |
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17:00:23 | eli_sherer | oh...that's because i change the drawing color...and don't change it back to black...hehe |
17:00:38 | eli_sherer | i'll fix it when im done with RockPaint's Menu |
17:00:45 | Philip | cool |
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17:09:42 | lostlogic | *sigh* I must be stupid, my simulator doesn't display anything useful, just a big blank green screen with the battery, volume, stop and repeat icons. |
17:11:07 | NicoFR | you have to put music |
17:11:13 | NicoFR | in the archos dir |
17:11:20 | lostlogic | ah hah! insert gets me into the config menu! |
17:15:18 | lostlogic | NicoFR: ok, yesterday I didn't have luck getting my own zip build to run on my H300, it would fail to boot at a message like I40:DIR1FULL I think, but using the daily build worked, and rockbox appears to work in the simulator... |
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17:23:47 | eli_sherer | i've repaired bejeweled |
17:30:57 | markun | amiconn: the arabic joining table is about 1k big. Could you disable arabic joining to see if rockbox builds for recorder v1? |
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17:34:13 | muesli_- | jo |
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17:44:55 | BBub | hey, can anyone tell me where the pcm recording menu on the h110 has gone? |
17:44:59 | BBub | i cant find it anymore |
17:47:50 | eli_sherer | all: I FORGOT TO LCD_UPDATE (*$#&%#@!!!) |
17:48:38 | preglow | BBub: it's in the main menu? |
17:48:54 | preglow | BBub: right under 'fm radio' |
17:50:30 | BBub | the recording menu is under fm radio? |
17:50:37 | preglow | well, it is here |
17:50:50 | BBub | for me it starts the radio then |
17:50:53 | BBub | and thats it :) |
17:50:54 | preglow | well |
17:50:55 | preglow | UNDER |
17:50:56 | preglow | not in |
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17:51:10 | BBub | there i have playlist options |
17:51:20 | preglow | is this a new build? |
17:51:23 | BBub | yes |
17:51:37 | BBub | i downloaded the latest a minute ago |
17:52:13 | BBub | maybe its just the h110 build? |
17:52:29 | Acksaw | Eli |
17:52:39 | Acksaw | edit your original post and add bejeweled |
17:53:13 | preglow | BBub: well, i see why it doesn't work, recording cap isn't defined for h110 build |
17:53:24 | preglow | BBub: and i think it must be for some reason |
17:53:34 | BBub | hmm, it always worked before |
17:53:35 | BBub | weird |
17:53:45 | preglow | when it was in the debug menu? |
17:53:50 | BBub | yes |
17:53:58 | preglow | well, it's different now |
17:54:03 | preglow | i have no idea why it's commented out |
17:54:56 | BBub | could you tell me where to change that so i could try compiling it myself? |
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17:55:11 | preglow | it's in firmware/export/config-h100.h |
17:55:19 | BBub | thx |
17:55:23 | preglow | search for HAVE_RECORDING and remove the comment signs around it |
17:55:41 | preglow | if it works, tell me |
17:57:06 | eli_sherer | acksaw: already did the post editing... |
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18:03:44 | Acksaw | nice one |
18:03:46 | Acksaw | im off |
18:03:47 | Acksaw | bye |
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18:04:33 | skorpyon | hello? |
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18:11:28 | willows_mine | hey guys.... |
18:11:43 | willows_mine | anyone in here know a bit about the iriver h140? |
18:11:58 | willows_mine | or an irc chat room I can go to get help troubleshooting? |
18:13:42 | lostlogic | rockbox or stock firmware? |
18:13:52 | lostlogic | might try irc.zuh.net #misticriver for stock firmware help |
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18:21:57 | BBub | preglow: what is that quality setting? deos it have an effect on the h110? |
18:24:10 | BBub | but it works perfectly on the h110 :) |
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18:28:55 | BBub | does the rockbox split the files at 2 gb? |
18:28:59 | BBub | -the |
18:29:27 | preglow | yeah |
18:29:34 | preglow | quality setting, don't know |
18:29:37 | preglow | haven't used recording much |
18:29:40 | preglow | but it records just fine |
18:29:42 | preglow | ? |
18:30:38 | Jungti1234 | I doze. |
18:36:37 | eli_sherer | i have a new site for my projects: http://www.freewebs.com/eli_sherer/ |
18:36:57 | Jungti1234 | oh |
18:37:05 | Jungti1234 | Very interesting . |
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18:50:54 | Jungti1234 | hey eli_sherer |
18:52:36 | BBub | preglow: yep, i recorded about 40 mb |
18:52:42 | BBub | had no glitches or whatsoever |
18:52:57 | Jungti1234 | good night all |
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18:54:19 | eli_sherer | hello |
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19:00:06 | Jungti1234 | ow |
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19:28:56 | markun | amiconn: if rockbox.archos is put in .rockbox and ajbrec.ajz is replaced by a small bootloader I think not many people will notice the difference. |
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19:32:55 | Bger | afaik it cannot be too little, otherwise the archos fw will refuse to load it |
19:34:03 | markun | Bger: we can bad it with 0's :) |
19:34:07 | markun | pad |
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19:35:38 | Bger | yeah :) that's the most little problem |
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19:48:44 | eli_sherer | finally i managed to make sub-menues |
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19:52:58 | eli_sherer | H300: you can find the new version on my site... |
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20:07:21 | muesli_- | bejeweled in color? awesome! |
20:10:10 | Bger | muesli_-: huh? |
20:10:25 | muesli_- | sorry...was ripped out of context ;) |
20:10:33 | muesli_- | <eli_sherer> i have a new site for my projects: http://www.freewebs.com/eli_sherer/ |
20:10:37 | muesli_- | just seen that |
20:10:55 | muesli_- | from a previous visit..and thought it was right now |
20:11:09 | Bger | and source ? |
20:11:53 | muesli_- | source? |
20:12:28 | Bger | yes, source of this color bejeweled |
20:12:48 | muesli_- | dunno... i did not code it |
20:13:37 | Rick | makes me want a h3x0 now |
20:13:37 | Rick | hehe |
20:14:24 | muesli_- | its a pitty that he didnt leave any pix of it |
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20:15:47 | Rick | hehe |
20:16:20 | Bger | hm ... if i turn on the backlight with backlight_on() (from plugin), will it turn off after the time set in settings |
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20:16:25 | Raskolnikov | hi all |
20:16:32 | Rick | greetings |
20:17:57 | muesli_- | there was a page with additional fonts for rbx...any idea? |
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20:18:08 | muesli_- | Bagder ? |
20:18:18 | muesli_- | wasnt that you who told about that?= |
20:18:46 | Bger | rasher.dk/rockbox iirc |
20:19:27 | Bger | muesli_-: yep, http://www.rasher.dk/rockbox/fonts/ |
20:20:24 | muesli_- | cheers Bger |
20:20:31 | Bger | np |
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20:21:59 | Bger | ok, isn't better to have defines like BACKLIGHT_ON in firmware/export/backlight.h and not in firmware/backlight.c / |
20:22:00 | Bger | ? |
20:23:46 | Kingstone | i think in the header is better too |
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20:27:37 | linuxstb_ | Bger: The BACKLIGHT_ON etc defines are local to backlight.c - they are not meant to be used by other parts of Rockbox. |
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20:33:35 | Bger | linuxstb: heh |
20:34:23 | linuxstb_ | What do you want to do? |
20:34:30 | Bger | then see plugins/fire.c |
20:35:15 | Bger | greyscale.c ... |
20:35:33 | Bger | rb->backlight_set_timeout(1);/* keep the light on */ |
20:35:55 | Bger | starfield ... |
20:35:59 | linuxstb_ | Yes. What's the problem? |
20:36:02 | Bger | video.c |
20:36:28 | Bger | it obviously is not used only local in backlight.c |
20:36:55 | linuxstb_ | I can't find BACKLIGHT_ON used in any of those files. |
20:37:05 | Bger | it's not |
20:37:09 | Bger | but ... |
20:37:22 | Bger | in backlight.c : |
20:37:23 | Bger | #define BACKLIGHT_ON 1 |
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20:37:53 | Acksaw | hey |
20:37:55 | Acksaw | Eli here? |
20:38:10 | Bger | linuxstb i mean it's used indirectly |
20:38:23 | Acksaw | Is eli sherar here? |
20:38:37 | Bger | [20:54:15] * eli_sherer (n=eli@IGLD-84-228-52-31.inter.net.il) Quit |
20:38:45 | Acksaw | ahh |
20:38:49 | Bger | 21:38 now |
20:38:54 | Acksaw | damn. |
20:38:58 | Acksaw | trust my luck.. |
20:39:07 | Bger | hehe |
20:39:14 | linuxstb_ | Of course - that's the point. It's not intended to be used directly. |
20:39:21 | Bger | but ... |
20:39:28 | Bger | many plugins use it |
20:39:34 | Bger | and i want to use it too |
20:39:42 | Acksaw | so, whats the conversation about then? |
20:39:52 | Bger | it'll be very valuable on color LCD platforms ... |
20:41:02 | Bger | anyway, even if it's not intended to be used directly, it *is* already |
20:41:59 | linuxstb_ | I'm sorry, I don't understand. No file apart from backlight.c uses BACKLIGHT_ON - which is why it is defined in backlight.c |
20:42:09 | Bger | in apps/plugins/ demistify, fire, grayscale.c, plasma, |
20:42:21 | Bger | linuxstb: yeah, but BACKLIGHT_ON's value is 1 |
20:42:36 | Bger | and all these plugins i mentioned use rb->backlight_set_timeout(1);/* keep the light on */ |
20:43:54 | Acksaw | do you guys think it will be possible to turn the backlight off and still be able see the screen on the h300? |
20:44:07 | Acksaw | like modern mobile phones |
20:44:13 | Bger | Acksaw: no way |
20:44:19 | Acksaw | didnt think so |
20:44:27 | Bger | the screen isn't turned off |
20:44:30 | Bger | only the backlight |
20:44:34 | Bger | afaik |
20:44:39 | Acksaw | ahh |
20:44:46 | Acksaw | the backlight is the screen, yes? |
20:44:49 | Bger | so if you don't see it... |
20:45:03 | Bger | no, the backlight is the light source under the LCD matrix |
20:45:09 | Acksaw | as you cant see the screen at all with the backlight off |
20:45:16 | Acksaw | ahh i understand |
20:46:03 | linuxstb_ | The 1 passed to backlight_set_timeout is the setting for the timeout - it is only a co-incidence that BACKLIGHT_ON is also 1. |
20:46:23 | Bger | hm, maybe you're right ... |
20:47:03 | Bger | oh, yes, u're right |
20:47:06 | Bger | sorry |
20:47:20 | Bger | it's used in the event queue |
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20:49:44 | linuxstb_ | no problem. |
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20:50:03 | * | Bger must stop talking bullsh...s :) |
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21:01:41 | ModernExecutive | hi |
21:02:24 | ModernExecutive | anything new w/the h300 fw? |
21:02:30 | Acksaw | ME, |
21:02:41 | Acksaw | check the daily builds for updates... |
21:02:53 | Acksaw | it is updated daily |
21:03:00 | Acksaw | go to the chanelog for the changes |
21:05:03 | ModernExecutive | sorry to be a bother |
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21:31:32 | linuxstb | eli_sherer: I have a few minor comments about your rockpaint plugin if you're interested. (which looks very nice btw). |
21:33:06 | Acksaw | yeh i have a few things to say about bejeweled again =] |
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21:42:15 | linuxstb | FIrstly, are you aware of rb->lcd_framebuffer - this is the framebuffer used by the lcd driver. This array gives you access to what's on the screen. |
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21:50:52 | eli_sherer | linux-stb: i have bug there,,, i know |
21:50:54 | preglow | linuxstb_: should we use that directly? |
21:51:09 | eli_sherer | i can't use it directly |
21:51:14 | preglow | would make it pretty target specific... |
21:51:34 | eli_sherer | it's a private variable i cant access it so i made one of my own |
21:51:50 | eli_sherer | i managed to make sokoban and solitaire work in color!!! |
21:52:09 | preglow | woot |
21:52:17 | preglow | make colour cards :P |
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21:54:04 | webguest43 | preglow: I agree using lcd_framebuffer would make the plugin target (or at least lcd) specific, but it _is_ in the plugin interface. |
21:54:16 | preglow | sure looks like it |
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21:55:52 | webguest89 | why no wma on rockbox? |
21:56:05 | preglow | because no one has codec it yet |
21:56:13 | preglow | coded |
21:56:24 | webguest89 | but it's going to happen sooner or later? |
21:56:31 | preglow | yes, i'd guess so |
21:56:35 | webguest89 | cool |
21:56:43 | webguest89 | tx |
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21:57:16 | linuxstb | eli_sherer: Why do you think lcd_framebuffer is a private variable? It's in the public plugin API struct. Have I missed something? |
21:58:01 | eli_sherer | i tried approaching it and the compiler returned error as if i didn't declared it |
21:58:15 | linuxstb | Did you use rb->lcd_framebuffer ? |
21:58:27 | eli_sherer | as well as "drawmode" which isn't public so as "lcd_framebuffer" |
21:58:58 | eli_sherer | %) |
21:59:08 | eli_sherer | maybe i didn't :) |
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21:59:47 | linuxstb | What do you need to use it for though? I agree with preglow that it is best to avoid using it if possible. |
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22:00:15 | linuxstb | i.e. add functions to the lcd driver instead. |
22:00:25 | eli_sherer | to get pixels from the screen (like to save a file or to printscreen in oreder to show a window) |
22:00:29 | Acksaw | wli |
22:00:31 | Acksaw | eli* |
22:00:37 | Acksaw | nice to hear you got sokoban etc working" |
22:00:40 | Acksaw | great stuff! |
22:00:53 | eli_sherer | in a sec it will be on my site |
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22:01:28 | Acksaw | perfect! |
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22:01:43 | linuxstb | That was going to be another of my comments. IMO, it would be better to use the built-in Rockbox menu system, rather than your own menu. |
22:01:54 | Acksaw | eli |
22:02:04 | Acksaw | any chance you could make the bejewled screen longer? |
22:02:06 | eli_sherer | my own is nicer! |
22:02:14 | Acksaw | doesnt fill the scree |
22:02:34 | eli_sherer | acksaw: it can be only larger and i don't want to mess with something i didn't built |
22:02:45 | Acksaw | ahh |
22:02:45 | Acksaw | ok |
22:02:47 | linuxstb | eli_sherer: Maybe. But to be consistent you should use the built-in menus. I'm sure those will be improved in the future. |
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22:03:10 | Acksaw | what are these menus? |
22:03:11 | eli_sherer | when theyl do i change them...it isn't so complexed to do |
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22:03:39 | eli_sherer | it what makes my programs unique |
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22:04:10 | Acksaw | where are they? |
22:04:15 | Acksaw | woo |
22:04:15 | eli_sherer | the new colored games are up |
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22:04:21 | Acksaw | im download them |
22:04:26 | Acksaw | just saw em just before you said =] |
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22:05:16 | Acksaw | with sokoban |
22:05:23 | Acksaw | do i just overwrite the old one? |
22:06:15 | preglow | i still think a uniform interface is nice |
22:06:26 | preglow | but not something i'll argue about, no |
22:06:31 | Acksaw | eli? |
22:06:44 | Acksaw | ill do it... |
22:06:47 | eli_sherer | you can... |
22:07:00 | Acksaw | ... |
22:07:03 | Acksaw | i just did it |
22:07:15 | eli_sherer | in the case of sokoban and solitaire i made the changes so it doesn't affect other players only h300s |
22:07:18 | Acksaw | if i need the old one im sure i can get it |
22:07:36 | linuxstb | eli_sherer: Don't forget that if you are distributing GPL software (the plugins you have added color to), you are required to make the source available. |
22:07:39 | Acksaw | ill test them now... |
22:07:54 | t0mas | preglow? |
22:07:57 | t0mas | are you around? |
22:08:04 | preglow | yeah, for a few minutes more |
22:08:07 | Acksaw | thats good make the source availble though |
22:08:14 | Acksaw | means it may be integrated into rockbox |
22:08:16 | eli_sherer | linuxstb: damn'it your right... |
22:08:25 | t0mas | mind if I have some questions in privmsg? |
22:08:30 | preglow | sure, just be quick |
22:08:32 | Acksaw | tesitng soko... |
22:08:35 | Acksaw | nice! |
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22:08:51 | Acksaw | if only the screen size could be changed |
22:09:01 | RotAtoR | eli_sherer: yes, source please :) |
22:09:27 | RotAtoR | i was just looking at updating the bejewled grpahics myself and saw that you already done that. |
22:09:38 | Acksaw | can anyone get past level 3 on sokoban? |
22:11:08 | Acksaw | i cant do it :( |
22:12:37 | Acksaw | the colours are a bit dodgy on it too |
22:12:41 | Acksaw | orange doesnt look brilliant |
22:12:45 | linuxstb | eli_sherer: Going back to your rockpaint, the Rockbox coding style is: 1) Unix end-of-line characters, 2) No TABS (indent by four spaces) and 3) /* these kinds of comments */ |
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22:14:08 | * | ender` wonders what's wrong with tabs |
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22:14:58 | CheeseBurgerMan | It's not the Rockbox style. ;) |
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22:15:13 | linuxstb | It will also display differently in different editors. |
22:15:21 | eli_sherer | that's right it's my style! ;) |
22:15:45 | Acksaw | eli |
22:15:49 | eli_sherer | notepad don't read UNIX eof chars |
22:15:51 | Acksaw | i think it would look better something like this |
22:15:51 | Acksaw | http://membres.lycos.fr/outssoftwares/en/wince/images/screenshots/sokoban.jpg |
22:15:56 | ender` | the point of tabs is that you're not forcing your indentation on other coders, but let everybody pick their own |
22:16:07 | ender` | (you have to know how to use tabs though) |
22:16:12 | Acksaw | and if you could do snake = http://membres.lycos.fr/outssoftwares/en/wince/images/screenshots/snake.jpg |
22:17:36 | eli_sherer | the games i work on are the games other people created...if you want new games download gameboy games... |
22:17:42 | Acksaw | yeh |
22:17:44 | Acksaw | im just saying |
22:17:46 | Acksaw | for sokoban |
22:17:53 | Acksaw | the colour are a big vibrant |
22:18:04 | Acksaw | i think it would look better like this |
22:18:05 | Acksaw | http://membres.lycos.fr/outssoftwares/en/wince/images/screenshots/sokoban.jpg |
22:18:24 | Acksaw | and snake (original one) would look better like this |
22:18:24 | eli_sherer | i've seen that picture...it's pocket pc! |
22:18:29 | Acksaw | http://membres.lycos.fr/outssoftwares/en/wince/images/screenshots/snake.jpg |
22:18:34 | Acksaw | im not saying it isnt |
22:18:41 | Acksaw | im on about the colours! |
22:18:49 | Acksaw | like brown walls etc |
22:19:04 | preglow | ender`: yes, and by using spaces, we don't need people to learn tabs |
22:19:20 | preglow | ender`: i've read so much code that using a mad mix of spaces and tabs, that i'm completely with the rockbox rules on this one |
22:19:42 | eli_sherer | if brown walls and orange boxes instead of orange walls and brown boxes is what gonna make you happy then there is no problem |
22:20:05 | Acksaw | i just think the colours go a bit better |
22:20:08 | Acksaw | on the boxes... |
22:20:09 | ender` | the only thing you need to know about tabs is to only use them at the start of the line, and never use more tabs than the number of them in the previous line + 1 |
22:20:10 | Acksaw | not bring |
22:20:14 | Acksaw | not bright ornage |
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22:20:17 | Acksaw | a dull orange |
22:20:31 | ender` | (then again, i'm not working on rockbox, so i shouldn't be complaining) |
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22:22:11 | Acksaw | eli - just need the walls brown and the boxes a dull orange |
22:22:23 | Acksaw | also, you could edit snake - http://membres.lycos.fr/outssoftwares/en/wince/images/screenshots/snake.jpg |
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22:23:03 | Acksaw | hey kyle |
22:23:47 | Kyl3 | hey |
22:24:37 | preglow | linuxstb: planning on removing the ipl logo in the bootloader? they seem to be making their own |
22:26:09 | preglow | or is it more a "thanks for all the code we snitched" thing? |
22:26:32 | preglow | replace vowels until it makes sense |
22:27:38 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes, they're very advanced with their own bootloader now. |
22:28:07 | linuxstb | Not sure about the logo, but I don't think we should call it a joint bootloader any more. |
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22:30:18 | preglow | agreed |
22:30:24 | preglow | i think logos in the bootloader is nice anyway |
22:30:27 | preglow | looks fancy :) |
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22:32:38 | muesli- | re |
22:36:30 | muesli- | eli_sherer iam looking forward to your .rocks :D |
22:39:59 | Kyl3 | ^ me too |
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22:40:58 | Acksaw | museli |
22:41:01 | Acksaw | there are afew out |
22:41:06 | Acksaw | http://www.freewebs.com/eli_sherer/ |
22:41:47 | muesli- | wohoo :D it has been updated...now i need a h3xx ;) |
22:42:04 | Acksaw | rofl |
22:42:11 | eli_sherer | it's up on the web v0.33 bug fixes |
22:44:48 | Acksaw | im of |
22:44:49 | Acksaw | seeya |
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22:45:03 | eli_sherer | good night all !!! |
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22:45:39 | muesli- | *.il ? which country is that? |
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22:46:50 | RotAtoR | muesli-: israel |
22:47:03 | muesli- | shalom :D |
22:47:07 | RotAtoR | :) |
22:47:41 | muesli- | btw RotAtoR...no more jewels from you? |
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22:48:17 | RotAtoR | yes, more from me ;) I've just been busy |
22:48:36 | reinaert | .++++ |
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22:48:48 | muesli- | whoo ;) although bejeweled bricked my joystick ;) |
22:49:00 | RotAtoR | I'm hoping to take a look at eli_sherer's code and do a proper update for h3xx and possible ipod |
22:50:08 | RotAtoR | hehe, yes, many future worn out joysticks will be blamed on bejeweled ;) |
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22:54:37 | amiconn | markun: How do I disable arabic joining? I hope it's just some #define... |
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23:01:07 | moiristo | does someone know if rockbox will come out for gmini400? or is it just wishful thinking? |
23:01:46 | muesli- | rather a wish if you ask me |
23:02:33 | muesli- | takes a long time to write a bootloader..not done within short time.. |
23:03:51 | moiristo | ok..there were some rumours about some sources being available..that's why i'm asking |
23:04:59 | muesli- | it was MY opinion only...so dont count on me as a serious source cos im not a dev |
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23:06:26 | moiristo | oh ok..well recently some programmers were able to run code on the 400, maybe you heard of the gamegear emu..but these things should speed up development i guess :) |
23:07:32 | linuxstb | AFAIK, there is no development to speed up - no-one is working on a Rockbox port to the 400. |
23:09:01 | moiristo | ok..thnx for the infos |
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23:13:48 | muesli- | Xavierakles :D |
23:14:16 | XavierGr | O hiyo! |
23:15:04 | muesli- | who's pita goin`? |
23:15:07 | muesli- | how |
23:15:33 | XavierGr | very well I ate one for lunch! :D |
23:15:51 | muesli- | :) |
23:15:53 | markun | amiconn: it's not a define. I can make you a new patch if you want or you can comment out the code yourself. |
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23:16:51 | markun | amiconn: in bidi.c comment out #include "arabjoin.h", arab_lookup, arabjoin and the call to arabjoin on row 152 |
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23:31:06 | amiconn | Slasher: I see yellow! :/ |
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