| 00:00:03 | JdGordon | uno momento |
| 00:00:45 | markun | linuxstb: what type? unsigned char I think |
| 00:00:58 | JdGordon | http://users.monash.edu.au/~jdgor1/sudoku2.jpg |
| 00:01:16 | linuxstb | markun: Do you use the standard string.h functions with your utf-8 strings? |
| 00:01:17 | preglow | seriously, are builds going on for longer than half an hour now? |
| 00:01:25 | preglow | time to cut out some targets? :/ |
| 00:01:27 | Bagder | at this hour, yes |
| 00:01:44 | preglow | but the estimate was correct |
| 00:01:49 | preglow | and that was based on commits done this morning |
| 00:01:52 | linuxstb | JdGordon: 404 error |
| 00:02:01 | JdGordon | http://users.monash.edu.au/~jdgor1/rb/sudoku2.jpg |
| 00:02:04 | JdGordon | soz |
| 00:03:10 | linuxstb | You _may_ have done something wrong there. |
| 00:03:21 | linuxstb | But I don't really mind if you leave them at 16x16. |
| 00:03:34 | linuxstb | Just that the second set of numbers didn't align properly. |
| 00:03:37 | JdGordon | i did nothing but change the cell_height and cell_width macros |
| 00:03:48 | JdGordon | ill fix them |
| 00:03:59 | Bger | heh that shouldn't be enough ... (or i'm wrong) |
| 00:04:02 | linuxstb | You'll obviously need new bitmaps as well. |
| 00:07:19 | amiconn | LinusN: Do you think it's better to have a mini crt0.S for the decompressor, or put the asm in the C file? |
| 00:07:20 | Bger | JdGordon: 16x16 as well |
| 00:07:39 | JdGordon | ? |
| 00:07:44 | amiconn | Of course it shouldn't be called crt0.S |
| 00:10:06 | Bger | JdGordon: the current bitmaps aren't 16x16 |
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| 00:13:45 | preglow | linuxstb: btw, still don't get the file browser when you boot? |
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| 00:14:59 | LinusN | amiconn: do whatever you feel is kiss |
| 00:15:11 | linuxstb | preglow: I fixed that with my last lcd commit. |
| 00:15:22 | preglow | goodies |
| 00:15:59 | linuxstb | Silly copy and paste errors |
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| 00:17:15 | JdGordon | k, fine done |
| 00:17:19 | JdGordon | last time :p |
| 00:20:30 | LinusN | d'oh, iaudio x5 has no stop button |
| 00:20:44 | linuxstb | Join the club. The ipod is the same. |
| 00:20:58 | LinusN | and headphone connector is on the side! |
| 00:21:11 | linuxstb | Not even the ipod is that crazy |
| 00:21:13 | preglow | yeah, that last is quite ingenious |
| 00:21:28 | LinusN | it's horrible |
| 00:21:43 | mirak | The only flaw of the iriver H300 is that they are just a bit to big |
| 00:21:46 | preglow | at least they've made it clear they don't want you keeping it upright in a pocket |
| 00:21:59 | mirak | they also have a crap firmware, butt there is rocbox |
| 00:22:34 | LinusN | i haven't run the x5 long enough to have an opinion about the firmware |
| 00:22:49 | LinusN | the lcd isn't that good though, it's rasterized |
| 00:23:15 | JdGordon | linuxstb: does the solver functoin fill the the game state board? |
| 00:23:17 | mirak | H300 firmware is not that bad, but it could be perfect. They don't develop anything on it |
| 00:23:25 | mirak | they should have released the source code |
| 00:23:46 | ashridah | mirak: they'd probably have to strip out half of it to do so |
| 00:23:56 | mirak | ashridah: you mean codecs ? |
| 00:23:57 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Yes - it fills currentboard |
| 00:24:09 | JdGordon | ok good... so ill try adding a game maker also |
| 00:24:22 | ashridah | mirak: at least one of them, other things as well tho |
| 00:24:44 | JdGordon | http://users.monash.edu.au/~jdgor1/rb/sudoku2.jpg better? |
| 00:24:44 | LinusN | i like the x5 joystick, much better than the h100 |
| 00:24:48 | linuxstb | JdGordon: That would be cool. But before you make any more changes, can I have your latest bitmaps, and I will then commit it to CVS. |
| 00:25:04 | mirak | the positions of hardware manufacturers relative to software is a bit weird |
| 00:25:36 | mirak | H300 would be could with a click wheel like the ipod |
| 00:25:51 | mirak | I guess the wheel is patented |
| 00:26:26 | LinusN | good, then other manufacturers won't get the same stupid idea :-) |
| 00:26:34 | mirak | imagine if a guy patented the wheel. We would have square wheels for our cars |
| 00:26:36 | JdGordon | better be... just added in for good :p |
| 00:26:37 | preglow | ahahah |
| 00:26:41 | * | JdGordon is sick of these stupid numbers :D |
| 00:26:52 | ashridah | mirak: not really. |
| 00:27:09 | mirak | ashridah: or the guy would have golden bollocks |
| 00:27:14 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I think I prefer the first set.... |
| 00:27:14 | ashridah | mirak: you have to understand that it doesn't matter what you actually sell, you can't give away what you don't own. |
| 00:27:26 | LinusN | reboot, brb |
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| 00:27:39 | ashridah | and i'm willing to bet that iriver don't own the wma codec, SRS, their video codec, and a bunch of other stuff. |
| 00:27:54 | JdGordon | na these are better than 1st set |
| 00:28:04 | mirak | ashridah: how is it given away if anyway it would be used on that same hardware anyway ? |
| 00:28:05 | JdGordon | cept the 9 and 6 |
| 00:28:32 | mirak | ashridah: but I understand |
| 00:29:08 | mirak | I am going to bed |
| 00:29:09 | ashridah | what the code runs on is irrelevent, it's who can see the code. |
| 00:29:10 | mirak | bye |
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| 00:31:18 | JdGordon | stupid irc |
| 00:32:17 | JdGordon | is there rand() on rb? |
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| 00:33:07 | preglow | yeah |
| 00:33:22 | ashridah | rb->rand() or something |
| 00:33:37 | ashridah | (assuming it's from a plugin |
| 00:34:13 | JonSenior | LinusN: A quick an' dirty hack (ifdef...def...undef) implemented the H100 USB code on the H300 target. I notice that the USB detection works in the Read I/O ports menu. |
| 00:34:22 | JonSenior | I don't recall if it did before however. |
| 00:34:33 | JonSenior | What is the problem with the two power lines to the chip? |
| 00:34:47 | JonSenior | Are we missing an IO line somewhere? |
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| 00:35:48 | LinusN | the usb detection works fine |
| 00:36:35 | JonSenior | ...but the rest of the USB code doesn't? |
| 00:36:50 | JonSenior | Do we need the rest of the driver for both targets? |
| 00:37:02 | LinusN | the rest? |
| 00:37:18 | LinusN | they should work identically |
| 00:37:23 | * | JonSenior is horribly confused! |
| 00:37:49 | JonSenior | What is currently missing from the USB implimenation on the Hxxx platforms? |
| 00:37:56 | preglow | rockbox entry point always is 0? |
| 00:38:08 | LinusN | powering the USB chip properly, i guess |
| 00:38:31 | LinusN | preglow: ? |
| 00:38:36 | preglow | file offset |
| 00:38:59 | preglow | hmm, forget it, i can just overwrite the entry point code when writing exception vectors anyway |
| 00:39:43 | preglow | ipod rockbox will remap sdram space to 0x0, which is also where exception vectors are |
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| 00:42:31 | amiconn | preglow: Does ipodlinux remap sdram to 0 ? |
| 00:42:58 | preglow | amiconn: yes, you need to, default setup is flash at 0x0, and then you can't write to the reset vectors |
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| 00:43:07 | preglow | ehh, exception vectors |
| 00:43:16 | amiconn | Yes, except if you run from flash |
| 00:43:27 | preglow | yeah, but we'll never do that, i'm sure |
| 00:43:45 | amiconn | I would be icking to do that, for boot time... |
| 00:43:52 | preglow | it's not that big an issue with ipods |
| 00:43:55 | amiconn | That's another con for iPod |
| 00:43:58 | preglow | the sleep mode is very efficient |
| 00:44:17 | amiconn | Perhaps for the nano... |
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| 00:44:38 | amiconn | Boot times are *always* too long imho |
| 00:44:40 | dwihno | LinusN: I received the reply from iriver today. They told me to return the unit to the point of purchase... I think it's just more than my unit. Something in the software. |
| 00:44:55 | preglow | amiconn: boot time is one of the things that don't annoy me too much |
| 00:44:56 | LinusN | aha |
| 00:45:25 | dwihno | LinusN: don't you have an IFP? *wink wink* |
| 00:45:37 | LinusN | nope |
| 00:46:08 | linuxstb | amiconn: It takes about 7 seconds for the apple bootloader to load our bootloader. Then about 2-3 seconds before the file browser appears. |
| 00:46:10 | dwihno | Hm. I need to take my anti-senility pills. |
| 00:46:31 | linuxstb | But I'm not sure if we'll ever know enough about the ipod to get rid of the apple bootloader - it initialises all the hardware for us. |
| 00:46:38 | amiconn | linuxstb: At least two times too slow... |
| 00:46:51 | linuxstb | amiconn: I agree. |
| 00:47:02 | linuxstb | But there are worse things in the world... |
| 00:47:10 | * | amiconn just successfully RoLo'ed compressed unicode rockbox on recorder v1 :-) |
| 00:47:20 | LinusN | coooooooool |
| 00:47:34 | dwihno | That's really cool! |
| 00:47:41 | preglow | linuxstb: i've got three seconds total boot time |
| 00:47:43 | dwihno | What is cool? |
| 00:47:50 | dwihno | Riiight, the anti-senility pills.... |
| 00:48:00 | linuxstb | preglow: No wonder you don't care about running from flash. |
| 00:48:07 | markun | amiconn: great job! |
| 00:48:10 | amiconn | Now I need someone to fix the Makefile for integration, and write makeimage.pl |
| 00:48:22 | amiconn | Bagder? |
| 00:48:52 | markun | So, what was the problem in the end? |
| 00:49:03 | JonSenior | LinusN: Sorry to keep pestering... Is there a wiki page with details of which pins of the CY7C... USB controller are connected to GPIOs? |
| 00:49:17 | amiconn | An ooooooolllllddd bug in RoLo, plus me not making sure where the stack pointer is |
| 00:49:29 | JonSenior | LinusN: Or should I start tracing the hardware scans? |
| 00:49:35 | amiconn | So the stack ended up *inside* the compressed data area... |
| 00:49:47 | LinusN | JonSenior: the thing is that i donät know the hardware details |
| 00:49:58 | JonSenior | LinusN: Ahhh |
| 00:50:31 | JonSenior | Time to start looking then... I'll let you know if I find anything! ;-) |
| 00:50:38 | JdGordon | do i need to worry about calling srand, or does rb start it off with a nice seed? |
| 00:50:46 | JdGordon | umm.. i mean a new seed each start |
| 00:50:57 | preglow | you need to call srand |
| 00:51:10 | amiconn | linuxstb: In fact preglow's iPod *is* running from flash ;) |
| 00:51:18 | markun | LinusN: I wonder how I can find out how tha ata bridge is connected to the gigabeat's cpu without desoldering it.. |
| 00:51:25 | JdGordon | grr... whats a nice way to keep the seed sandom without having time(NULL)?? |
| 00:51:31 | preglow | amiconn: pretty weird hardware, flash based AND 32 megs of ram |
| 00:51:32 | LinusN | markun: bga? |
| 00:51:36 | markun | yes |
| 00:51:50 | preglow | amiconn: but then again, the file storage flash might of course be fragmented and hard to use directly |
| 00:51:53 | LinusN | then i think disassembling the stock firmware is the only option |
| 00:51:57 | markun | and no vias on the other side of the pcb |
| 00:52:03 | LinusN | if you don't want to slaughter it |
| 00:52:05 | amiconn | preglow: Design reuse... cheaper than designing something new |
| 00:52:14 | amiconn | It's the same with the Ondio, fortunately |
| 00:52:18 | preglow | amiconn: yep, figured that, but still |
| 00:52:29 | * | preglow huggles his 32kb extra iram |
| 00:53:12 | RotAtoR | JdGordon: something like "rb->srand(*rb->current_tick);" |
| 00:53:59 | JdGordon | hmm.. just saw thta... but that wont wok on whatever uses PP5020 cpu.. |
| 00:54:04 | JdGordon | which is? |
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| 00:55:10 | JdGordon | what does audio_get_file_pos return if no file is being played? |
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| 00:55:24 | JdGordon | might use that for the seed.. doesnt seem to be player dependant |
| 00:55:25 | stripwax | lo |
| 00:55:28 | LinusN | JdGordon: what won't work on the pp5020? |
| 00:55:37 | JdGordon | rb->current_tick |
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| 00:55:42 | LinusN | why? |
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| 00:55:50 | JdGordon | #if CONFIG_CPU!=PP5020 |
| 00:55:50 | JdGordon | long* current_tick; |
| 00:55:50 | JdGordon | #endif |
| 00:55:59 | LinusN | how odd |
| 00:56:07 | JdGordon | should thta not be there? |
| 00:56:24 | amiconn | This is temporary |
| 00:56:29 | LinusN | why? |
| 00:56:41 | amiconn | Ask linuxstb or preglow |
| 00:57:09 | linuxstb | We don't have interrupts yet, so we fake a current_tick using the rtc. |
| 00:57:22 | linuxstb | current_tick is a macro - so we can't put it in the plugin struct. |
| 00:57:31 | LinusN | oh |
| 00:57:35 | linuxstb | As amiconn said, it's a temporary thing. |
| 00:57:56 | JdGordon | so its safe to but it in the plugin? what player ses the pp5020? |
| 00:58:18 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Yes, it's safe to assume current_tick is always there. |
| 00:58:20 | LinusN | JdGordon: don't worry about the pp5020 |
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| 00:58:24 | JdGordon | ok |
| 00:58:43 | LinusN | those lamers won't finish that port anyway ;-) |
| 00:58:49 | JdGordon | haha |
| 00:58:54 | preglow | ! |
| 00:59:14 | linuxstb | :) |
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| 01:00:03 | amiconn | reboot, brb |
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| 01:02:19 | Bger | nite |
| 01:03:01 | markun | nite |
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| 01:03:58 | JdGordon | (rb->rand()%9)+1 will give a number between 1 and 9 inclusive right? |
| 01:03:59 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Sudoku patch committed. |
| 01:04:08 | JdGordon | woops.. that 9 should be a 10.. right? |
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| 01:04:33 | JdGordon | awesome... the game generator is almost done.. i tinhk :d |
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| 01:05:27 | LinusN | JdGordon: no, 9 was correct |
| 01:05:44 | JdGordon | ok, thanx |
| 01:06:09 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:06:31 | linuxstb | JdGordon: How are you generating games? |
| 01:07:02 | JdGordon | fuck... im asleep still |
| 01:07:28 | JdGordon | i was randomly adding numbers.. but obviously that wont work :p |
| 01:08:01 | JdGordon | im gonna add 1 number to each diagnol group then run the solver and it should make a full board... |
| 01:08:05 | JdGordon | then remove numbers? |
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| 01:08:39 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I don't think writing a generator is a five minute job. |
| 01:08:51 | JdGordon | no, but using the solver should make it one |
| 01:09:01 | JdGordon | assuming it can work with an almost empty board... |
| 01:09:32 | * | JdGordon 's brain hasnt been working since exams finished 3 weeks ago |
| 01:09:48 | * | preglow tries his remap code... |
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| 01:10:25 | preglow | not a complete success... |
| 01:11:12 | amiconn | JdGordon: Just using the solver and then removing number doesn't ensure 'good' sudokus |
| 01:11:25 | JdGordon | sure it does |
| 01:11:35 | amiconn | Afaiu, a good one should only have exactly one solution |
| 01:11:45 | JdGordon | the difficulty comes in how many cells u remove... |
| 01:12:00 | amiconn | How many and/or which |
| 01:12:02 | linuxstb | But doesn't it also matter _which_ cells you remove? |
| 01:12:17 | markun | amiconn: can I commit unicode after bagder has done his magic, or are there some things I should change? |
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| 01:13:05 | JdGordon | fine... im looking for a gpl generator i can nick |
| 01:13:09 | amiconn | markun: Hmm. I'd like to test a bit more, but I would need files with exotic filenames etc... |
| 01:13:22 | linuxstb | JdGordon: There was one linked from the wiki |
| 01:13:50 | linuxstb | http://www.laurasia.com.au/sudoku/ |
| 01:13:55 | markun | amiconn: the viewer is still not finished, so maybe I should wait with it's commit. |
| 01:14:02 | amiconn | ...and of course I need to know how it's supposed to look like |
| 01:14:21 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I had a quick look at that generator, and it seemed suitable for us. |
| 01:14:28 | markun | a lot of people have been using the unicode patch and I have not received complaints about major bugs |
| 01:14:32 | JdGordon | ok |
| 01:14:41 | amiconn | Btw, your unicode patch with disabled arabic joining defines NO_ARABJOIN in two places |
| 01:14:42 | linuxstb | But feel free to look around some more. |
| 01:14:50 | markun | Ah, does it? |
| 01:14:51 | amiconn | ...one of which is probably wrong |
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| 01:14:56 | markun | That's not good |
| 01:15:11 | amiconn | Yes, once in config-*.h (correct) and a second time in bidi.c |
| 01:15:33 | markun | the one in bidi.c should be removed of course |
| 01:15:55 | amiconn | JdGordon: I hope this generator doesn't increase code size too much |
| 01:16:19 | JdGordon | how big is too big for a rock? |
| 01:16:34 | markun | but maybe the NO_ARABJOIN could be replace by ifdef HAVE_LCD_BITMAP, or is it useful for charcell as well? |
| 01:17:00 | amiconn | JdGordon: 32KB on archos |
| 01:17:06 | linuxstb | amiconn: It's only about 5KB on the Archos devices at the moment. |
| 01:17:10 | amiconn | yes |
| 01:17:18 | JdGordon | k |
| 01:17:26 | amiconn | markun: The other way round I presume? |
| 01:17:47 | markun | instead of ifndef NO_ARABJOIN.. |
| 01:17:50 | amiconn | arabjoin doesn't make sense on charcell lcd |
| 01:17:52 | Benacool | is it me or the rockbox firmware only turn off the backlite of the H3x0 LCD? (the original firmware turn off the LCD not only the backlite) |
| 01:18:03 | amiconn | markun: ah, yes |
| 01:18:17 | amiconn | Benacool: You are right |
| 01:18:27 | amiconn | w-i-p, you know? |
| 01:18:28 | amiconn | ;) |
| 01:18:33 | * | preglow wonders how long it'll be until he wears out his flash |
| 01:19:12 | Benacool | amicon: since we see absolutely nothing when the backlite is off it will be beter to turn it off ;-) |
| 01:19:37 | amiconn | ...work in progress... |
| 01:19:42 | Benacool | ok ;-) |
| 01:19:47 | markun | I'm sure there will be some bugs after the initial unicode commit, but it's getting harder to maintain outside the cvs so I would prefer it to be committed soon |
| 01:20:03 | * | amiconn prods Bagder |
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| 01:20:56 | markun | makefile wizard |
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| 01:32:41 | preglow | argh! |
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| 01:37:04 | JdGordon | FARK |
| 01:37:38 | preglow | linuxstb: you think we'll ever need to support pp5002? :> |
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| 01:47:16 | preglow | woah, it loaded |
| 01:48:08 | grant_ | ? |
| 01:49:15 | preglow | nothing, just me getting too accustomed to bugs |
| 01:49:28 | grant_ | lol |
| 01:52:12 | linuxstb | preglow: It would be nice to support the pp5002 (lots of people have them), but I don't think we should worry about it at the moment. |
| 01:52:33 | linuxstb | Let a pp5002 owner worry about it in the future. |
| 01:53:17 | preglow | i do so wish i could just fire an interrupt soon |
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| 01:55:31 | preglow | well |
| 01:55:36 | preglow | at least the memory remapping works |
| 01:55:43 | preglow | i've written to the exception vector table |
| 01:56:45 | DocBrown | LinusN: Hi! I'm one of the unlucky H3x0 black screen guys. Have managed to boot Rockbox once by pressing arbitrary key combination |
| 01:57:46 | DocBrown | LinusN: Trying to reproduce this (which didn't work) I founf out that any PLAY-other key-PLAY (long) combination will start the iriver firmware |
| 01:58:09 | DocBrown | Don't know if that information is helpful |
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| 01:58:48 | preglow | hah |
| 01:58:49 | preglow | weird |
| 01:59:31 | LinusN | DocBrown: ehh, in sequence you mean? |
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| 02:00:00 | DocBrown | LinusN: Yes |
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| 02:00:26 | LinusN | cool |
| 02:01:05 | DocBrown | LinusN: would be even cooler if I knew the combination for Rockbox :-) |
| 02:01:41 | * | Cassandra wonders why everyone is blaming Rockbox for their USB connection problems. |
| 02:01:45 | LinusN | 14-35-73-12 |
| 02:01:47 | grant_ | PLAY |
| 02:02:14 | LinusN | Cassandra: there is probably a bug in the rb usb handling |
| 02:02:27 | linuxstb | preglow: Are you saying you can change the exception vectors, but your interrupts still don't work? |
| 02:02:40 | grant_ | Has any work been begun for the usb support? |
| 02:02:43 | preglow | linuxstb: yeah, i haven't managed to enable any of them |
| 02:03:03 | Cassandra | Well, I've seen crashes on connecting while playing. But surely once it's plugged in, it's just a matter of the chip handling the USB. |
| 02:03:51 | Cassandra | You know, if I had an H3xx I'd be quite tempted to port ScummVM to Rockbox. |
| 02:05:20 | Cassandra | (Although I imagine the sound support would be kind of tricky. |
| 02:05:38 | linuxstb | The C++ involved would be trickier.... |
| 02:05:57 | Cassandra | Ah, it's C++ is it? Not much of a chance then. |
| 02:06:37 | linuxstb | Yep. And from a quick look it looks like "real C++", not just C disguised as C++. |
| 02:06:53 | Cassandra | Curse them and their object orientation. |
| 02:07:05 | Cassandra | Monkey Island on Rockbox would be damn funky. |
| 02:07:31 | linuxstb | I'm guessing that's the only program of its type? |
| 02:07:41 | Cassandra | Yup. |
| 02:10:25 | DocBrown | 14-35-73-12 |
| 02:10:32 | DocBrown | LinusN: ? |
| 02:12:40 | preglow | LinusN: i suspect that was a joke |
| 02:12:43 | preglow | DocBrown: ! |
| 02:12:50 | preglow | i need to consider sleep |
| 02:13:08 | preglow | has anyone even tried to make a c++ plugin? |
| 02:13:12 | DocBrown | preglow: Me too |
| 02:13:36 | preglow | should be possible, probably depends on how much dynamic allocation it does |
| 02:14:54 | preglow | monkey island has to be played on an old dos box with an adlib sound card in it anyway ;) |
| 02:14:59 | linuxstb | I think that's the only way scummvm could be ported. |
| 02:15:18 | linuxstb | But it's the start of a slippery slope.... |
| 02:15:24 | preglow | indeed |
| 02:15:32 | preglow | i don't care about scummvm on rockbox anyway |
| 02:15:37 | Cassandra | I played it on a Sound Blaster. Ph34r my l33t technology. |
| 02:15:47 | preglow | Cassandra: well, yeah, me too, but in adlib mode! |
| 02:15:58 | preglow | man, those games are leet |
| 02:16:05 | Cassandra | (A microchannel Sound Blaster Pro, if I remember correctly.) |
| 02:16:19 | preglow | don't remember what mine was, only that it was a nightmare to get it working |
| 02:16:21 | Cassandra | The music was really great too. |
| 02:16:24 | preglow | indeed |
| 02:16:36 | Cassandra | All sound cards were a nightmare back in 1992. |
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| 02:16:55 | preglow | SET BLASTER... |
| 02:17:38 | preglow | ahh, those were the days |
| 02:17:45 | dropandho | slasheri- you around? |
| 02:17:55 | dropandho | or anyone that worked on the tick-fix? |
| 02:18:13 | Cassandra | Ooh - only 5 more people need to sign up for us to get a campaigning digital rights organisation in the UK. (http://www.pledgebank.com/rights/) |
| 02:18:47 | Cassandra | I'd buy Monkey Island, the album. |
| 02:19:52 | Cassandra | (Unfortunately the Interweb is full of shitty remixes.) |
| 02:20:00 | DocBrown | LinusN: Another information (maybe more useful): Having set the HOLD switch and pressing PLAY the Rockbox bootloader starts! |
| 02:20:26 | DocBrown | LinusN: But then switches off because HOLD switch is set :-) |
| 02:20:58 | LinusN | interesting indeed |
| 02:22:19 | DocBrown | LinusN: Rockbox booted! Pressing play and directly setting the hold switch off |
| 02:22:30 | preglow | this sounds pretty weird... |
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| 02:26:27 | DocBrown | LinusN: Booting iriver via Rockbox bootloader also works with the same trick when pressing REC and PLAY |
| 02:30:19 | LinusN | DocBrown: so the hold switch is the problem? |
| 02:30:56 | DocBrown | LinusN: Looks like it... its completely reproducable |
| 02:31:03 | Cassandra | Good grief. A Sam and Max computer game has risen from the dead again. http://www.gamecloud.com/omg.wtf?lolz=2459 |
| 02:32:21 | RotAtoR | haha, ".../omg.wtf?lolz=..." |
| 02:32:51 | RotAtoR | ..but that's very good news, i loved sam & max hit the road |
| 02:34:09 | preglow | great game |
| 02:34:45 | RotAtoR | preglow: any progress lately on the musepack updates/fixes? ;) |
| 02:35:12 | DocBrown | LinusN: Anything I can check for you in order to understand what happens? |
| 02:35:38 | LinusN | i'm thinking... |
| 02:35:58 | preglow | RotAtoR: none, i got the musepack people to do a couple of updates, and i'm waiting for them |
| 02:36:29 | RotAtoR | oooh, fun, maybe they'll release sv8 while they're at it |
| 02:36:32 | RotAtoR | :) |
| 02:36:33 | preglow | ahaha |
| 02:36:34 | preglow | "yes" |
| 02:36:52 | preglow | no, just a couple of things i had them fix |
| 02:37:05 | preglow | to minimise the size of the deocder struct |
| 02:37:30 | preglow | as to the buzzing problem, i have no idea what's causing it |
| 02:37:43 | preglow | but i haven't been able to debug it either, my libmusepack lies in shambles for now |
| 02:37:54 | RotAtoR | hmm, ok, thanks! |
| 02:38:11 | LinusN | DocBrown: will you stay here for a while longer? |
| 02:39:05 | DocBrown | LinusN: I could, if that helpful. |
| 02:39:16 | DocBrown | LinusN: that's |
| 02:39:22 | lostlogic | is skippiness during applause in OGG/Vorbis unique to H3x0, or has it also been reported on H1x0 |
| 02:39:24 | LinusN | i'll prepare a test bootloader for you |
| 02:39:38 | DocBrown | LinusN: OK |
| 02:39:38 | preglow | lostlogic: ehh??? |
| 02:39:39 | JdGordon | when usb support if done on the h300 will u be able to listen to music while using it as a portable hdd? |
| 02:39:46 | LinusN | lostlogic: most likely a h300 only bug |
| 02:39:47 | preglow | JdGordon: no |
| 02:39:56 | JdGordon | :( ok |
| 02:40:00 | LinusN | reboot, brb |
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| 02:40:08 | lostlogic | JdGordon: control of the Hard Drive must be handed over to the host system for UMS mode. |
| 02:40:10 | preglow | lostlogic: skippiness during applause? |
| 02:40:33 | lostlogic | preglow: and other times. I'm using Q6 or Q7 oggs, and applause in live albums regularly triggers the problem. |
| 02:40:37 | linuxstb | JdGordon: You can listen to the radio though... |
| 02:40:50 | preglow | lostlogic: it's probably a high bitrate issue |
| 02:41:01 | preglow | clapping is pretty wide bandwidth |
| 02:41:06 | lostlogic | preglow: yes, that was my figuring. |
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| 02:42:10 | lostlogic | preglow: CPU or disk buffer limitation do you think? CPU probably? |
| 02:42:19 | preglow | lostlogic: cpu |
| 02:42:22 | preglow | lostlogic: but still a bit weird |
| 02:42:38 | preglow | lostlogic: if you could have a look at the audio debug thread screen while it happens, that would be helpful |
| 02:42:54 | lostlogic | preglow: will do. |
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| 02:43:09 | preglow | just note what state the top meter is in when it skips |
| 02:43:12 | preglow | i bet it's at the bottom |
| 02:43:38 | preglow | in which case it's pretty strange anyway |
| 02:43:40 | JdGordon | how the heck do u get cards out of the pack n solataire? |
| 02:45:32 | dropandho | any tick-fix experts in the house? |
| 02:46:13 | lostlogic | yeah, the PCM buffer fluctuates wildly during the skippy sections. the codec buffer stays fairly stable (fills up gradually toward the long anti-skip buffer I have set) |
| 02:47:05 | preglow | lostlogic: fluctuates how? it does hit bottom as it skips, yes?= |
| 02:47:43 | lostlogic | it never shows it at the bottom, but yes, just before a skip, it's on a downward trend, and is at the lowest point that I see displayed just as it skips. |
| 02:48:10 | lostlogic | I'm sure it's just because the H3x0 is still only at 90mhz not 124 or whatever the H1x0 is at. |
| 02:48:37 | LinusN | DocBrown: http://linus.haxx.se/H300.zip |
| 02:49:02 | DocBrown | LinusN: Okay |
| 02:49:22 | preglow | lostlogic: if so, then tremor performs lousily |
| 02:49:26 | preglow | and needs to be chastised |
| 02:50:11 | ashridah | it hasn't had any optimisation work in a while iirc. |
| 02:50:15 | preglow | bahhh |
| 02:50:19 | ashridah | once it got realtime, it kinda got left |
| 02:50:22 | lostlogic | preglow: IIRC tremor was hard to get to realtime, so someone should chastise it ;) |
| 02:50:40 | ashridah | but yeah, improving it for battery's sake would be nice :) |
| 02:50:43 | preglow | not _that_ hard |
| 02:50:47 | preglow | there's still more to be done for it |
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| 02:51:53 | lostlogic | what kind of optimizations would be doable do you expect? |
| 02:52:12 | preglow | 1. there's more iram to be used, 2. faster imdct |
| 02:52:24 | lostlogic | playijng oggs, I'm running 94% boost ratio |
| 02:52:49 | preglow | lostlogic: that's very bad |
| 02:52:51 | Kyl3 | Sounds SO much better |
| 02:53:04 | preglow | Kyl3: what does? |
| 02:53:08 | lostlogic | yes. I'll see if I can dig up some time to poke at it. |
| 02:53:23 | Kyl3 | rocbox |
| 02:53:36 | Kyl3 | rockbox* i dunno why, but it sounds better |
| 02:53:41 | preglow | haha |
| 02:53:48 | preglow | 'course it does |
| 02:54:02 | linuxstb | Kyl3: Which codec do you use? |
| 02:54:05 | lostlogic | it does, iRiver firmware artificially bass boosts, makes it unlistenable with my subwoofer even _on_ |
| 02:54:18 | Kyl3 | now where are those crossfade settings? |
| 02:54:26 | DocBrown | LinusN: Success!!! Rockbox and iriver original via bootloader now boots as intended |
| 02:54:48 | Kyl3 | I use MP3 192K and OGG 6/7 |
| 02:55:06 | ashridah | preglow: i'm pretty suve i've got some q10 oggs that have given rockbox issues even on the H140 when running without cpu caps |
| 02:55:11 | preglow | linuxstb: oooh, what did you do? |
| 02:55:17 | Kyl3 | LinusN, any idea on fixing the "dead" bug? |
| 02:55:29 | preglow | ashridah: and it would be a small surprise if they did |
| 02:55:53 | preglow | tremor is hard to optiomise properly |
| 02:55:54 | linuxstb | preglow: I guess you meant to oooh at LinusN |
| 02:55:55 | DocBrown | LinusN: Ooooops, now its gone... |
| 02:55:55 | preglow | it's got no limits |
| 02:56:01 | preglow | linuxstb: i guess i did |
| 02:56:27 | preglow | argh, btw |
| 02:56:37 | preglow | i've unmasked all interrupts i can find |
| 02:56:40 | LinusN | DocBrown: no go? |
| 02:56:42 | DocBrown | LinusN: Works again... I'll investigate that... |
| 02:56:54 | preglow | and inited keyboard code, etc |
| 02:57:00 | preglow | still no bloody interrupts |
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| 02:58:40 | Kyl3 | The new bootloader sort of fixed my "dead syndrome" problems but it still happenes occasionally |
| 02:59:08 | Kyl3 | but it restarts back immedatly after i reset it |
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| 03:05:01 | preglow | YES! |
| 03:05:43 | Benacool | ? |
| 03:05:51 | preglow | got timer interrupt going |
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| 03:06:38 | DocBrown | LinusN: Preliminary result: Everything works fine as long as i do NOT touch the HOLD button now |
| 03:06:57 | LinusN | i don't get it |
| 03:07:05 | LinusN | why touch the hold button? |
| 03:07:25 | DocBrown | Sorry, "move" the hold button |
| 03:08:12 | DocBrown | Even if i set the hold button to On and back to Off with the unit being completely OFF will cause the black screen error |
| 03:08:21 | LinusN | i see |
| 03:08:36 | DocBrown | So it seems like an electrical problem? |
| 03:09:14 | linuxstb | preglow: Hurray... |
| 03:09:41 | LinusN | DocBrown: i'm puzzled |
| 03:10:56 | preglow | linuxstb: at least i'm not doing too much wrong |
| 03:12:00 | DocBrown | LinusN: Me too. The bootloader always starts if the Hold button is set. And then turns the unit off of course. However, the trick from half an hour ago still works |
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| 03:16:54 | preglow | hahah |
| 03:16:57 | preglow | neato, neato, neato |
| 03:17:26 | preglow | seems interrupt ack works as well |
| 03:17:45 | DocBrown | LinusN: Sometimes it boots by only pressing play, sometimes it doesn't. And now i habe a new behaviour. It stopped at the "noise" pattern that appears first for some |
| 03:18:06 | DocBrown | milliseconds when starting the bootloader |
| 03:18:49 | linuxstb | preglow: If you try to get the current_tick working, then don't forget that the ATA driver (and maybe other things) rely on it. |
| 03:20:07 | preglow | linuxstb: shouldn't be hard to have a current_tick working now |
| 03:20:14 | preglow | just need to clean up this awful mess |
| 03:21:29 | preglow | tick counter is 100hz, yes? |
| 03:21:37 | preglow | or is it 1000 ? |
| 03:21:38 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 03:21:40 | preglow | okies |
| 03:21:42 | linuxstb | 100Hz |
| 03:21:51 | preglow | then i've actually got it running at the correct frequency already |
| 03:26:12 | DocBrown | LinusN: Really strange. Now it won't boot anymore by just pressing PLAY. But I swear it did for some times. The "HOLD button flipping" trick still works however |
| 03:27:49 | LinusN | i replaced the h300.zip with a new one, try it |
| 03:29:17 | DocBrown | LinusN: Okay. I Have just reflashed the old h300.zip and it works again. Really strange. Will try the new one now |
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| 03:41:42 | DocBrown | LinusN: Strange.... Flipping trick still works. Direct boot doesn't. Then I put my PSU because of the battery drain from flashing, spinning etc... Now it boots (very rare occasions), mostly black |
| 03:42:06 | DocBrown | screen or flickering white screen and then off..... |
| 03:42:36 | LinusN | weird... |
| 03:44:01 | preglow | i'm out, gnight |
| 03:44:30 | LinusN | i have to sleep too |
| 03:44:49 | LinusN | DocBrown: could you document your findings in the wiki, so i won't forget? |
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| 03:45:24 | DocBrown | was about to say the same. Will investigate further tomorrow |
| 03:45:59 | DocBrown | Never worked with a wiki before. Think I need to register and stuff? |
| 03:46:32 | LinusN | yes, it's easy |
| 03:47:11 | DocBrown | Just booted without PSU... strange. There semms to be a time constant in it... electrical stuff i think |
| 03:47:24 | DocBrown | Will document that tomorrow, okay? |
| 03:48:19 | DocBrown | On the iriver boot page? |
| 03:48:26 | LinusN | do that |
| 03:48:37 | LinusN | nite all |
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| 04:01:16 | lostlogic | man, I haven't worked in C in such a farking long time, let alone C + asm. ALL THE JAVA, IT ROTS MY BRAIN! |
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| 04:17:17 | lostlogic | damn, preglow is one smart fucker. |
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| 04:34:19 | lostlogic | it's not making good use of the PCM buffer, it never fills to even half way. |
| 04:36:38 | linuxstb | lostlogic: Is this vorbis on a h300? |
| 04:36:51 | lostlogic | yeah |
| 04:36:58 | linuxstb | What's the boost ratio? |
| 04:37:14 | lostlogic | never mind, it's gotten higher, I was just using too torturous of music. |
| 04:37:24 | lostlogic | 94-96% |
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| 04:37:30 | linuxstb | It probably just can't decode fast enough to fill it any more. |
| 04:37:35 | lostlogic | yeah, noted |
| 04:38:36 | lostlogic | do you know how I would go about testing code changes for optimization aside from just watching boost ratio on the same track? |
| 04:39:56 | linuxstb | That's the best (only) test we've got. |
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| 04:40:27 | lostlogic | kk |
| 04:40:44 | linuxstb | Two things to be aware of - disk filling and backlight fading will also boost. |
| 04:40:58 | lostlogic | figured |
| 04:41:06 | lostlogic | *sets backlight to always on* |
| 04:41:28 | linuxstb | Or set the fade to 0s |
| 04:41:52 | lostlogic | always on will do |
| 04:42:22 | lostlogic | hmm... at least one of the skips happens after the nearly gapless track transition, like it forgets to resume disk fill. |
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| 04:44:20 | lostlogic | does it always try to buffer all the way up to the size of RAM (30m) for the codec buffer, or is that configurable somewhere? |
| 04:47:15 | linuxstb | I don't think it's configurable. |
| 04:48:11 | linuxstb | I'm not 100% sure what the buffering strategy is, but I think it first fills the buffer with about 2MB of data, and then when the low watermark (about 512KB) is reached, it fills up to the full buffer (about 29MB I think) |
| 04:49:15 | lostlogic | makes sense |
| 04:50:38 | lostlogic | and it does that for each track, so at EOT, if the codec buffering thread can't get the CPU, there is a time where the buffer is deliberately allowed to run down in order not to waste energy buffering when the next track will just be skipped any way. |
| 04:51:18 | lostlogic | dave matthews band live albumbs are a wonderful ogg torture chamber it seems. |
| 04:53:25 | linuxstb | No, it doesn't do it for every track - it fills the buffer with the upcoming tracks. |
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| 04:53:59 | linuxstb | But because vorbis is very slow, Rockbox may struggle to read the data from disk as well. |
| 04:54:11 | lostlogic | ok, that was my second theory, thanks! |
| 04:54:40 | lostlogic | 4 tracks played, 99% boost, backlight always on. |
| 04:55:22 | lostlogic | This is the first time I've dug into the rockbox code, I must say I'm very impressed with it. |
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| 05:05:34 | grant_ | any thing new been commited today? |
| 05:05:45 | BBub | look at the page :) |
| 05:05:57 | grant_ | linkage? |
| 05:06:08 | BBub | http://www.rockbox.org/ right on the main page |
| 05:06:10 | BBub | at the bottom |
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| 05:06:18 | grant_ | thanks :) |
| 05:06:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 05:06:50 | BBub | "Enabled playback speed adjustment support for H1x0. Modified the resampler to do both channels in one pass." i guess that is the nicest feature |
| 05:06:55 | BBub | someone on the forums asked for it |
| 05:07:45 | grant_ | Nice, nothing too major for the h3x0 but good progress |
| 05:07:53 | grant_ | the team are doing an excellent job :) |
| 05:08:05 | BBub | yes, they are making progress every day now |
| 05:08:25 | lostlogic | Hmm... if the codec buffer reaches some large size, it stops filling to save battery, drains down to threshold (512k) and starts filling again. so very smart. now if only ogg could be sped up enough to give it time to actually fill the buffer in reasonable time. |
| 05:08:48 | BBub | lostlogic: on h3xx or h1xx? |
| 05:08:56 | lostlogic | h3xx |
| 05:09:01 | lostlogic | but it would effect both. |
| 05:09:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: The main problem is that the H3x0 isn't stable running at the full processor speed right now. |
| 05:09:10 | BBub | you think so? |
| 05:09:18 | BBub | afaik the h3xx still runs at only 94 mhz |
| 05:09:21 | grant_ | Yeah I'm so delighted with the speed of things. Rockbox is useable for mp3 playing right now and it's fun. |
| 05:09:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's useable for up to Q7 or Q8 oggs too, I understand. |
| 05:09:44 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: sure, but even so, it takes 100% boost to decode q7 ogg at 90mhz, then it takes 75% boost to do it at 120 |
| 05:09:47 | lostlogic | that's not a very good ratio. |
| 05:10:10 | grant_ | I understand that the h3x0 version is pretty much just a port of the h1x0 rockbox and that's why it was so fast yet not adjusted correctly as of yet. Correct? |
| 05:10:45 | BBub | i think so, as the hardware is identical in many parts |
| 05:10:50 | lostlogic | grant_: all of the various rockboxes are built from the same codebase |
| 05:11:21 | lostlogic | but yes, H1 and h3 are very similar |
| 05:11:26 | grant_ | Ah thanks. :) |
| 05:11:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: It's hard to say what "good" is. The ogg decoding had not so great battery life under iRiver too, so it's hard to say what the fastest it could be done *is* |
| 05:11:45 | grant_ | Is there much that can be contributed without knowing coding and such? besides testing and donating? |
| 05:12:10 | BBub | not really |
| 05:12:19 | lostlogic | grant_: WPSs, otherwise, not that I know of... maybe when they need graphics for color bitmap WPSs... |
| 05:12:19 | BBub | you could help out others on the forums though :) |
| 05:12:56 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: well I'm optimization hunting, I think I've found a couple of functions that belong in IRAM so far, trying to find code inefficiencies too, but smarter people than I have already been over it. |
| 05:13:01 | grant_ | Thanks, oh btw. Are the bleeding edge releases equal to the cvs commits? |
| 05:13:06 | lostlogic | yes |
| 05:13:20 | lostlogic | bleeding edge is built before the commit is sent to the front page, or so someone said yesterday |
| 05:13:44 | grant_ | ok cool, just wasn't sure if I needed to use CVS to get these latest commits. |
| 05:13:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | loslogic: Honestly, from my understanding, the Vorbis decoder hasn't been optimized much at all since it hit the 'realtime' mark, so you might be surprised as to what you can do. |
| 05:14:11 | lostlogic | still, preglow is a smart guy, and he is who got it to realtime, so that means that all of the 'obvious' optimizations are done. |
| 05:14:17 | lostlogic | but I'm working on it :) |
| 05:14:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: And that's all anyone can ask. |
| 05:14:55 | BBub | but im very happy about mpc playing in realtime |
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| 05:15:04 | BBub | thats what i really missed on the iriver |
| 05:15:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's not really any hardware out there that supports MPC is there? |
| 05:16:13 | BBub | i would bet rockbox on iriver is the only one so far ;) |
| 05:17:03 | BBub | i also never heared of other players supporting flac or wavpack |
| 05:17:18 | BBub | so you got an exclusive piece of h/w with rockbox :) |
| 05:17:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | FLAC is actually supported elsewhere |
| 05:17:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think on some by Cowon |
| 05:18:03 | BBub | oh, i didnt know |
| 05:18:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 05:18:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | But Rockbox has a pretty damn fast FLAC implementation |
| 05:18:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | It doesn't even boost. |
| 05:18:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | And that's with replaygain and crossfeed enabled. |
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| 05:18:59 | BBub | yep, they changed the codec a few weeks ago to a very fast one |
| 05:19:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | So I saw |
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| 05:25:34 | lostlogic | anyone know if -funroll-loops is included in -O? |
| 05:28:49 | lostlogic | snot |
| 05:29:27 | linuxstb | lostlogic: The easiest way to get more speed out of vorbis is to move more code and data (but mainly data) into iram. |
| 05:29:40 | linuxstb | You have 48KB available and should be using it all. |
| 05:30:47 | lostlogic | linuxstb: yeah, that was my original hunt, but I'm seeing a lot of places where loops of small constant size are used in oft-called code, and wondering about unrolling them. |
| 05:33:44 | linuxstb | I would be surprised if that gave any noticable improvement. I would start with iram, and then look at the rest. |
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| 05:34:10 | lostlogic | *nod* how to track IRAM usage from adding a given function? will compile time or runtime fail? |
| 05:34:38 | linuxstb | Look at the build-dir/apps/codecs/vorbis.map file |
| 05:34:43 | lostlogic | thanks! |
| 05:35:31 | linuxstb | But yes, if you try to use too much, the linker will give you an error. |
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| 05:53:36 | lostlogic | by jove, I think it's getting better! |
| 05:53:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 05:54:29 | lostlogic | 96% boost on a song that was 99 with skips last time around... took 8k of IRAM to do it though :-\ |
| 05:55:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | To quote linuxstb "You have 48kb available and should be using it all |
| 05:56:01 | lostlogic | yeah, only have 8k left, important to only use it for the _most_ often referenced symbols... |
| 05:56:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Gotcha |
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| 06:04:53 | lostlogic | DT: how's battery life on ogg on the H1x0? |
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| 06:19:40 | DreamTactix291 | lostlogic: Vorbis battery life is at least as good as the iRiver firmware in my experience |
| 06:19:46 | DreamTactix291 | so like 12-14 hours |
| 06:20:26 | lostlogic | wow, they must not have really optimized the hell out of their vorbis codec either. |
| 06:20:47 | lostlogic | BAH, how do I lose performance this time!? |
| 06:21:22 | DreamTactix291 | i don't notice any real degradation |
| 06:21:31 | DreamTactix291 | though to be honest i haven't done any serious battery test in a long time |
| 06:21:36 | lostlogic | nod |
| 06:21:53 | DreamTactix291 | both mp3 and vorbis decode really well |
| 06:23:19 | lostlogic | *sigh* at 90mhz, it still can't decode the beginning of Dave Matthews - Live at Red Rocks (applause) smoothly |
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| 06:29:00 | DreamTactix291 | applause = huge bitrate spikes |
| 06:29:24 | lostlogic | yeah, hehe, and sometime in the next few days, I'm going to get this thing to deal with it. :-P |
| 06:29:25 | DreamTactix291 | probably in the 500-700kbps range |
| 06:30:54 | lostlogic | moving the lookup tables that vorbis uses to compute floors didn't seem to impact performance nearly as much as I thought it would |
| 06:31:22 | lostlogic | my initial move of several of the oft used functions ot IRAM had more impact... *sigh* I obviously have a lot to learn. |
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| 06:34:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Even if you do have a lot to learn, trying out different ideas and seeing how much they help *does* qualify as "learning" |
| 06:34:51 | lostlogic | ;) |
| 06:35:04 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: you sure are the encouraging type |
| 06:35:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | :-P |
| 06:35:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | What can I say, I have a talent. ;-) |
| 06:43:15 | lostlogic | ok, last rendition for the night, residue and floor calculations should be almost entirely in IRAM now. |
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| 07:28:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's y'all, durnit. :-P |
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| 08:58:54 | perplexity | <Naive question> Has anyone thought about what might prevent us from compiling rockbox with -pg (profiling) enabled and starting to look at some hotspots? </> |
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| 08:59:58 | B4gder | the "hotspots" are in the codecs |
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| 09:00:03 | B4gder | where else could they be? |
| 09:00:48 | perplexity | Primarily I'm interested in instrumenting the tremor codec yes.. I'm just throwing ideas in the air at the moment.. |
| 09:02:13 | perplexity | in any case.. compiling with -pg requires the removal of -fomit-frame-pointer which then causes us to run out of registers in some other code.. so I need to think about it a bit harder.. |
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| 09:13:15 | JdGordon41 | haha.. mp3 ripping + dvd encoding are killing my comp :D |
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| 10:10:50 | baobab68 | hi all |
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| 10:11:56 | markun | morning |
| 10:13:01 | Bger | morning, markun, baobab68 |
| 10:14:22 | Jungti1234 | markun |
| 10:15:10 | markun | hi Jungti1234 |
| 10:15:17 | Jungti1234 | morning |
| 10:15:39 | Jungti1234 | are you busy? |
| 10:15:40 | Jungti1234 | i need you |
| 10:16:20 | markun | I emailed samsung to ask what is different bout their S3C2440AL-30 (CPU of the Gigabeat) compared to the S3C2440A of which I have the datasheet |
| 10:16:42 | markun | Instead of answering my question they send me an old version of the datasheet of the S3C2440A.. very strange |
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| 10:16:59 | Jungti1234 | hmm.. |
| 10:17:27 | Bger | markun: there's probably not a big diff :) |
| 10:17:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's also possible that they misunderstood the question and thought you were requesting information about *that* one? |
| 10:17:53 | markun | maybe not, I was just wondering what is the difference was because I couldn't find it on the website. |
| 10:18:16 | ashridah | my guess is packaging of the chip |
| 10:18:20 | markun | The datasheet they send me was revision 1. I have revision 10 from their website :) |
| 10:18:40 | markun | sent |
| 10:18:44 | Bger | hehehe |
| 10:18:59 | Bger | Why don't send them another e-mail ? |
| 10:19:08 | markun | Maybe I will |
| 10:19:14 | JdGordon | any1 know where to dl roms for rockboy? |
| 10:19:15 | Bger | just do it (tm) |
| 10:19:28 | Bger | JdGordon: torrents, p2p ... :) |
| 10:19:40 | t0mas | Wett? are you around? |
| 10:19:45 | JdGordon | what roms work? just game boy? or game boy advanced? |
| 10:19:59 | Bger | JdGordon: gameboy & gameboy color |
| 10:20:14 | JdGordon | ok |
| 10:20:44 | Jungti1234 | markun: Did you get gigabeat? |
| 10:20:53 | markun | I didn't check my mail yet |
| 10:22:02 | markun | no, didn't receive it yet |
| 10:26:49 | baobab68 | for those who have used replaygain, anyone got recommendations for a db level? i was going to try 89db, seems to be the commonly selected value. |
| 10:27:16 | baobab68 | fantastic that rockbox supports it, can't wait to hear how it works |
| 10:29:33 | markun | baobab68: yes, 89 is now the default |
| 10:30:48 | baobab68 | thanks markun, will try that value. interesting to see if it has any effect on CPU usage. My h320 is coping fine with my Q0.7 Ogg's but not sure what will happen with gaining... |
| 10:31:02 | markun | not much will happen I think |
| 10:31:02 | baobab68 | (yes I did say 0.7) :-) |
| 10:31:18 | baobab68 | cool. |
| 10:31:36 | ashridah | vorbis supports fractional qualities? |
| 10:32:06 | markun | baobab68: damn :) |
| 10:32:10 | perplexity | I would have assumed 0.7 would be a pretty low quality.. What sort of average bitrates are you getting with that? |
| 10:32:22 | baobab68 | it does in media monkey. the slider is from -1 to 10, in increments of 0.1 |
| 10:33:10 | baobab68 | perplexity: 70-90kbps. Sounds fine to me, fine for rocking around the city. |
| 10:34:01 | baobab68 | though dreamtactix and Paul_The_Nerd disagree :-) |
| 10:34:32 | baobab68 | anyway, thank you for the info markun. why you say "damn"? wish you had transcoded like me? (i doubt it!) |
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| 10:34:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Naah, I'm fine with lossy music at levels below the transperency point, especially if there's a lot of background noise or space is at a premium. |
| 10:34:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's the fact that they're transcoded from 64kbps WMAs that makes me cry. |
| 10:35:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | :-P |
| 10:35:03 | perplexity | Ok.. I have my collection encoded at several values for testing.. i) -b 256, ii) -q 6, iii) -q 8.. I can't imagine going that low |
| 10:36:06 | baobab68 | i can't stand 'burbling noises' but i've spotted very few in my sample 1500+ Ogg's. Other artifacts annoy me, but aotuv dll's have done a great job.... |
| 10:36:29 | baobab68 | my poor pc has been very busy since RB came out for the H300. |
| 10:36:43 | perplexity | Mine also.. takes me 12 hours to re-encode my collection :) |
| 10:37:00 | markun | baobab68: I said damn because I encoded everything at Q3 and I thought that was on the low side already :) |
| 10:37:03 | baobab68 | 12 *hours* - mine has been like 3 *days* |
| 10:37:19 | perplexity | I only have 111 cd's to encode |
| 10:38:16 | baobab68 | well thanks for the replaygain info, everyone, got to run and catch up on some telly - got some arrested development and queer as folk to catch up on.... |
| 10:38:19 | crwl | -b 256 and -q 8 is the same thing, btw |
| 10:38:19 | Bger | nice number |
| 10:38:34 | baobab68 | just remember, "0.7" :-) |
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| 10:39:06 | JdGordon | is rockboy actually usable?? mortal combat was working ta like 1fps |
| 10:39:06 | perplexity | brad@srv:/raid3$ find cds-ogg-Q6/ -name "*.ogg" | wc -l |
| 10:39:06 | perplexity | 1468 |
| 10:40:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockboy is useable for things like turn based RPGs primarily. It's not at full speed yet, as it kinda got abandoned before being optimized fully and/or finished (there are some evident bugs) |
| 10:40:56 | JdGordon | :( damn |
| 10:41:42 | markun | A lot of people are trying out rockboy now that rockbox runs on the H3x0. Maybe one of them will pick it up. |
| 10:41:44 | perplexity | crwl: Perhaps as an average, but Q8 will make bigger than 256k files on particularly difficult tracks.. it's an experiment in any case.. I have a script that re-encodes the whole collection in a batch anyway |
| 10:42:17 | crwl | perplexity, no, it should be exactly the same thing |
| 10:42:35 | crwl | -b xxx will just map to some -q value... or the other way around |
| 10:43:01 | perplexity | Oh.. well then I should be able to diff the ogg encoded at -q8 and -b256 and they should be the same size exactly.. |
| 10:43:10 | crwl | -b 64 is -q 0, -b 128 is -q 4 , -b 192 is -q 6, etc |
| 10:43:21 | crwl | it's the same VBR encoding mode nonetheless |
| 10:44:04 | perplexity | indeed.. the file sizes are very close |
| 10:44:23 | perplexity | in which case -Q8 is going to skip on the h3x0 at this point.. (as 256k does) |
| 10:44:40 | crwl | you could always use FLAC ;) |
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| 10:45:20 | webguest92 | hello all |
| 10:45:27 | perplexity | I already have all my albums as flac also, I'm just getting my head around metaflac to be able to set the tags and skip points so I can skip tracks.. (All my flacs are a single file per album) |
| 10:45:31 | markun | morning LinusN and webguest92 |
| 10:45:37 | webguest92 | morning |
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| 10:46:19 | webguest92 | does anyone know if it's still unclear whether or not the ipod 5g will run linux/rockbox? |
| 10:47:00 | markun | webguest92: when ipod linux figured out how to run on 5g, rockbox can also be ported |
| 10:47:25 | webguest92 | i'm on the verge of exchanging my 4g for a 5g... |
| 10:47:45 | B4gder | dig up that disassembler and plunge! |
| 10:48:15 | B4gder | arm assembler is nice to read too ;-) |
| 10:48:28 | webguest92 | so, there's nothing new about the 5g's then, i take it? |
| 10:48:52 | B4gder | webguest92: I would assume #ipodlinux is a better place to ask for such details |
| 10:49:07 | webguest92 | probably! thanks a lot. |
| 10:49:09 | markun | webguest92: they placed a video decoder chip between the cpu and the lcd I think. That's the biggest problem. |
| 10:49:22 | webguest92 | aha |
| 10:50:57 | markun | B4gder: now that amiconn's self extracting rockbox works, could you do some of your makefile/perl magic? |
| 10:51:16 | B4gder | yes, as soon as I get some info on what's necessary |
| 10:51:37 | markun | amiconn: are you there? |
| 10:55:42 | linuxstb | webguest92: I saw a first version of an LCD driver for the 5G LCDs checked into the ipodlinux CVS yesterday. But there was a warning attached saying it was very slow. |
| 10:57:48 | linuxstb | webguest92: If you have any desire to run ipodlinux or Rockbox in a useful way, I would avoid the 5G ipod. |
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| 11:02:34 | webguest92 | linuxstb: why? |
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| 11:03:22 | webguest92 | linuxstb: i mean, isn't it only a matter of time until the issue with the video decoder chip is figured out? |
| 11:04:04 | linuxstb | webguest92: Hopefully - the ipodlinux people are making good progress. But you can never be 100% sure. |
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| 11:05:34 | B4gder | a good opportunity to dive in and do some low level digging! |
| 11:05:43 | webguest92 | linuxstb: hmm... that's a tough one... I can get a 5G for free, but then I have to give up my 4G... |
| 11:05:52 | linuxstb | I'm just saying that if you want to use ipodlinux or Rockbox, you are much better off sticking with your 4G. If you are happy with Apple's firmware, then upgrade to the 5G. |
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| 11:06:50 | linuxstb | But I agree with B4gder - best option is to get the 5G and help the cause... |
| 11:06:53 | * | LinusN spots a combined-bitmaps patch in the tracker |
| 11:07:03 | LinusN | lovely |
| 11:07:13 | B4gder | I bet amiconn jumps of joy ;-) |
| 11:07:25 | LinusN | i do to :_) |
| 11:07:29 | B4gder | hehe |
| 11:07:42 | LinusN | loading a wps takes quite a while nowadays |
| 11:07:50 | B4gder | yes |
| 11:08:30 | * | JdGordon is bored.. anythign not so complicated i can help with? |
| 11:09:12 | B4gder | I could use another cup of coffee |
| 11:09:17 | B4gder | :-) |
| 11:09:27 | JdGordon | coming guvna |
| 11:09:54 | linuxstb | JdGordon: You could make some of the other plugins more h300 friendly. |
| 11:10:10 | JdGordon | which r in need? |
| 11:10:15 | LinusN | JdGordon: how about a color bmp loader? |
| 11:10:16 | B4gder | and add "background" image support to all screens! ;-) |
| 11:10:26 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I've no idea, probably most of them. |
| 11:11:52 | B4gder | and we need color support in the X11 sim |
| 11:11:59 | LinusN | a larger status bar on the bigger lcd:s |
| 11:12:27 | LinusN | color support in x11 sim, yeah |
| 11:12:29 | JdGordon | the small status bar is good.. |
| 11:15:02 | webguest92 | linuxstb: i wish i could |
| 11:16:13 | linuxstb | JdGordon: OK, then a status bar with configurable size :) |
| 11:16:56 | JdGordon | ye, maybe |
| 11:18:53 | B4gder | btw, I'm considering making it a requirement to build the tools only from make in a build directory - to be able to do specific builds for specific targets. Would that be bad to people? |
| 11:19:59 | B4gder | but now lunch! |
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| 11:36:20 | markun | B4gder: There was a Gigabeat F60 for sale on ebay for about they price I payed for my F40. Too bad I couldn't reach you in time. |
| 11:38:41 | linuxstb | markun: Stop that - B4gder's buying an ipod :) |
| 11:38:51 | markun | no he isn't :) |
| 11:38:58 | markun | Is he? |
| 11:39:14 | LinusN | he's buying an x5! |
| 11:39:18 | LinusN | :-) |
| 11:39:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just had to throw in another one? |
| 11:39:46 | markun | Can't he just buy all three to keep us all happy? |
| 11:41:21 | linuxstb | markun: Still no sign of your gigabeat yet then? |
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| 11:41:28 | markun | no :( |
| 11:41:35 | markun | fucking snow.. |
| 11:41:35 | linuxstb | (or the Linux source from Toshiba...) |
| 11:42:02 | solexx | fucking pl/sql! |
| 11:42:11 | markun | I received an outdated version of the S3C2440A datasheet from them today ;) |
| 11:42:32 | linuxstb | I read that. A strange response. |
| 11:43:09 | * | amiconn appears |
| 11:43:14 | amiconn | B4gder: u there? |
| 11:43:14 | LinusN | i love snow |
| 11:43:25 | LinusN | B4gder: is having lunch |
| 11:43:31 | LinusN | damn completion |
| 11:45:22 | perplexity | Grr.. H3x0 build of X11 sim is bombing in the vorbis codec :( |
| 11:45:35 | amiconn | Background support for all colour and greyscale targets shouldn't be hard |
| 11:45:52 | amiconn | ...which (hopefully) very little slowdown |
| 11:46:00 | amiconn | s/which/with/ |
| 11:46:16 | markun | amiconn: B4gder wants to do the makefile and perl stuff, but you will have to tell him what exactly there is to do |
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| 11:46:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: You mean a background image type thing? |
| 11:46:41 | amiconn | markun: Yes, 've read that |
| 11:46:41 | LinusN | nothing like the smell of unicode in the morning |
| 11:46:54 | markun | :) |
| 11:46:56 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: yes |
| 11:47:00 | markun | Well, I can almost smell it now |
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| 11:47:19 | muesli_- | re |
| 11:47:21 | LinusN | it would be great to finally add it to cvs |
| 11:47:30 | markun | I was looking at freetype2, would freetype support be overkill? |
| 11:47:41 | markun | true type support.. |
| 11:47:41 | amiconn | Imho yes |
| 11:47:43 | linuxstb | I think so. |
| 11:48:09 | linuxstb | Even the ipodlinux people think freetype2 is overkill - they have used it in their new UI toolkit, but are going to remove it. |
| 11:48:59 | markun | ok, then I'll not bother |
| 11:49:24 | * | amiconn actually used his Ondio FM today |
| 11:49:35 | LinusN | wow |
| 11:49:36 | amiconn | ...and noticed that there is another not-quite-feature |
| 11:49:42 | amiconn | ...for archos |
| 11:50:05 | LinusN | oh? |
| 11:50:17 | amiconn | There's code to switch between preset and scan mode, but it's not 'wired' for archos |
| 11:50:28 | LinusN | markun: freetype2 in rockbox? |
| 11:50:49 | markun | LinusN: nah, forget what I said :) |
| 11:50:56 | * | LinusN mumbles something about the temperature in hell... |
| 11:51:03 | amiconn | I think of adding this |
| 11:51:12 | LinusN | amiconn: good |
| 11:51:29 | amiconn | I probably need to make it a menu option - too few buttons you know :/ |
| 11:51:37 | Zak1392 | hello all |
| 11:51:42 | LinusN | amiconn: a real pain |
| 11:51:59 | amiconn | For the fm recorder, a button should be possible |
| 11:52:03 | * | LinusN looks for this "all" dude |
| 11:52:24 | Zak1392 | hardy har har ;) |
| 11:52:40 | amiconn | There's another feature - the pitch screen - which isn't available on Ondio |
| 11:52:51 | Zak1392 | any progress for h300s linus? |
| 11:52:54 | amiconn | Could also be made a wps context menu option... |
| 11:53:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Whatever happened to that patch that let you load various FM presets files, so you could say load one for a city you're visiting? |
| 11:53:37 | LinusN | Zak1392: not really, but we had an interesting session last night where we found out some details about the "no-boot-black-lcd" problem |
| 11:53:41 | amiconn | Oh, and the Auto Scan feature has a button-related bug |
| 11:53:55 | LinusN | Paul_The_Nerd: coming... |
| 11:54:00 | Zak1392 | what was the problem linus? |
| 11:54:04 | LinusN | amiconn: go fix |
| 11:54:19 | LinusN | Zak1392: it seems to be a problem with sensing the ON buttons at boot |
| 11:54:22 | amiconn | If I cancel the request to overwrite current presets with Off, it also drops me out of the radio screen |
| 11:54:35 | LinusN | oh |
| 11:55:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | LinusN: Neat. I was just curious if it had maybe been rejected or something. |
| 11:55:09 | Zak1392 | i love the music on rockbox. thanks for all your efforts ;) |
| 11:55:35 | LinusN | we didn't make the music, you know ;-) |
| 11:55:54 | * | LinusN is sooooo funny today |
| 11:56:02 | Zak1392 | unless you're a part of children of bodom ;) |
| 11:56:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | You do seem to be in a good humor today LinusN. |
| 11:56:47 | amiconn | LinusN: Could you check whether thsi also happens on the fmr? |
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| 11:58:39 | Zak1392 | anybody here like children of bodom? |
| 11:59:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Question: Is it still going to be a matter of loading individual .fmr files? (IE, if it is, would it be welcome if I started converting the FmPresets wiki page into useable FMR files, with some sort of standard naming like Country.City.fmr (or in the case of USA Country.State.City.fmr)? |
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| 12:00:11 | lamed | hello. |
| 12:00:15 | markun | Anyone willing to help Jungti1234 to compile rockbox in windows? He installed "Rockbox Development Kit" and downloaded the source with cvs, but now he can't find rbconf. |
| 12:00:19 | lamed | preglow: around? |
| 12:00:59 | lamed | jungti1234, markum. rbconf is an alias for ../tools/configure\ |
| 12:01:10 | lamed | sorry for last slash |
| 12:01:52 | lamed | jungti1234, just type at your install directory (say /rockbox/build) "../tools/configure" |
| 12:02:18 | Jungti1234 | hmm.. |
| 12:02:53 | lamed | (but i see no reason why shouldn't rbconf be properly configured) |
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| 12:03:51 | lamed | bagder - around? |
| 12:04:20 | LinusN | rbconf should be shot and buried |
| 12:05:14 | lamed | are you just saying that because of disagreaments with |
| 12:05:16 | amiconn | LinusN: I use some scripted shortcuts as well... not for configuring though |
| 12:05:27 | lamed | arrr... disagreements with bluechip? |
| 12:05:29 | Jungti1234 | T.T |
| 12:06:12 | LinusN | no, but all those "convenient" scripts are unnecessary |
| 12:06:12 | lamed | linusn, amiconn, do you know what's up with my patch? |
| 12:06:31 | LinusN | all they do is hide how things really work |
| 12:06:45 | LinusN | and those scripts are only part of the "devkit" |
| 12:06:58 | amiconn | Well, they make it easier to perform a task |
| 12:07:18 | amiconn | I agree that it's not a good idea to include them in the devkit |
| 12:07:25 | LinusN | exactly |
| 12:07:41 | amiconn | ...but I made some scripts to save me the hassle to type longish commands over and over |
| 12:07:44 | LinusN | nothing wrong with scripting, but you should learn the basics first |
| 12:08:35 | lamed | linusn: I must say that as a begginer you really have to get everything as easy as can be. you have no one to direct you to the smallest thing that stops you from progressing. |
| 12:09:00 | LinusN | amiconn: fm recorder can use OFF to cancel without problemsd |
| 12:09:27 | lamed | i'll again use the example of > file |
| 12:09:51 | amiconn | LinusN: So it doesn't drop you out of the FM screen? Interesting... |
| 12:10:14 | lamed | |<lamed> linusn, amiconn, do you know what's up with my patch?| |
| 12:10:25 | LinusN | no, i've been busy with other stuff |
| 12:10:59 | lamed | :( I shell wait some more then. |
| 12:11:15 | LinusN | lamed: btw, i'm obviously not good at catering for beginners |
| 12:11:45 | amiconn | Grmpf, I know why I usually avoid looking at radio.c |
| 12:11:54 | LinusN | amiconn: it's a mess |
| 12:11:55 | amiconn | The button handling is a mess... |
| 12:12:00 | LinusN | lunch! |
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| 12:14:44 | amiconn | Ah, it's because leaving the FM screen on Ondio is triggered on release... |
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| 12:15:10 | lamed | linusn: ouch! that hurts... as soon as i'll have some time I'll start a tip page for begginers... I was collecting tips from several irc questions that have been answered (!). I hope that people like yourself find themselvs answering questions over there. then same questions would not be asked twice. |
| 12:15:17 | amiconn | ...without having a _PRE |
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| 12:16:16 | gadasi | Hi~ |
| 12:17:12 | amiconn | LinusN: Can you switch between preset and scan mode on FMR (should be mapped to long ON) ? |
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| 12:26:30 | Membrillo | anyone know anything about editing WPS's? |
| 12:28:06 | ashridah | nah, it's all a black box ;) |
| 12:28:44 | Membrillo | .... *crickets buzz* ..... |
| 12:29:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Membrillo: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
| 12:30:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or are you having specific problems? |
| 12:30:10 | Membrillo | sweet. i just wanted to fix a few things with the iPodvol WPS |
| 12:30:35 | Membrillo | or isnt that possible |
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| 12:31:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Depending on what you want to change, it's probably easy enough. |
| 12:31:33 | Membrillo | yeah fair enough |
| 12:32:11 | Membrillo | just add a battery % and volume % mainly. and stretch out the graphics on top. They are terribly sized |
| 12:33:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | That'll require a little bit of redrawing of the .bmp files, and a couple quick changes to the .wps file, but everything you need to know about the .wps itself are on the page I linked. |
| 12:34:50 | markun | YOOHOO!! I got the Gigabeat!! |
| 12:35:08 | Membrillo | Paul_The_Nerd: yep i got it sussed out |
| 12:35:08 | Bgr | happy rb-gigabeating then ;) |
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| 12:35:53 | markun | The screen is just so beautifull, you can read it with no problem without the backlight |
| 12:36:04 | Bgr | really ? |
| 12:37:52 | B4gder | wow |
| 12:39:42 | markun | I F40 is thicker than the F20, but just as thick as my H120 |
| 12:40:58 | Febs | Membrillo, if you adapt that WPS for the H300, you should post the WPS in the WPS Gallery so that others can benefit from it. |
| 12:45:08 | Jungti1234 | I made already suitable WPS to H300... |
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| 12:47:13 | Membrillo | febs: will do |
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| 12:54:14 | chopped_pork | Jungti1234: could you post it to the WPS Gallery? |
| 12:54:49 | Membrillo | ok mines finished |
| 12:54:52 | Membrillo | ill just test it |
| 12:54:57 | Jungti1234 | I didn't take Screenshot. |
| 12:55:30 | chopped_pork | Jungti1234: rockbox on h3x0 doesn't support screenshots yet afaik |
| 12:55:42 | Jungti1234 | I know |
| 12:55:48 | Jungti1234 | Do you have H300? |
| 12:56:18 | Membrillo | i do |
| 12:56:39 | chopped_pork | no, my friend has one and none of the existing wps's looks good on it |
| 12:56:49 | amiconn | chopped_pork: rockbox on H3x0 _should_ support screenshot |
| 12:56:49 | Jungti1234 | Can you test WPS that I make? |
| 12:57:11 | Membrillo | im just testing my own first |
| 12:57:14 | Membrillo | then ok |
| 12:57:15 | amiconn | That is, it should do if USB _detection_ works |
| 12:57:23 | Jungti1234 | amiconn: really? |
| 12:57:35 | chopped_pork | Jungti1234: probably, that might take a day or two since i have to get in touch with him first ;) |
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| 12:58:14 | chopped_pork | amiconn: right, rockbox on h3x0 doesn't make screenshots yet;) |
| 12:58:26 | amiconn | Did you try? |
| 12:58:49 | chopped_pork | hm, no tbh |
| 12:59:11 | Jungti1234 | Membrillo: Can you test WPS that I make? |
| 12:59:16 | Jungti1234 | now? |
| 12:59:22 | chopped_pork | i read it somewhere and haven't seen a relevant cvs entry since then |
| 12:59:58 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ScreenDump |
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| 13:00:12 | ashridah | amiconn: i seem to recall people trying and it not working. |
| 13:00:16 | Jungti1234 | I know that |
| 13:00:19 | amiconn | It might already work although USB mode itself doesn't work yet |
| 13:00:37 | Jungti1234 | It didn't work. |
| 13:01:00 | amiconn | The function is definitely there, so it's just not called yet |
| 13:01:36 | amiconn | Anyway, it's possible to take a screenshot on the H3x0 win32 sim |
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| 13:02:41 | Jungti1234 | I dont know whether I use it how. |
| 13:03:05 | tucoz | Hi, how do I change playback speed on the h1x0 series? |
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| 13:03:37 | tucoz | I can not find a setting for it in the menus |
| 13:04:04 | amiconn | In wps, press & hold play, then use joystick up/down |
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| 13:04:34 | tucoz | amiconn: thanks! |
| 13:05:18 | ep0ch| | just been reading the logs, someone was mentioning profiling with regard to Vorbis decoder. Would profiling on x86 give a good indication as to what functions to optimise/place in iram for coldfire? |
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| 13:15:18 | perplexity | I'm working on that right now ep0ch| :) |
| 13:16:03 | perplexity | I figure that at least profiling Tremor on x86 might help identify some of the low hanging fruit in any case.. biggest problem at the moment is getting it to work with the X11 sim.. but I'll get there.. |
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| 13:19:18 | Jungti1234 | It's H300 rockbox firmware install manual that make in Hangul. : http://cafe.naver.com/iriverh300/557 |
| 13:22:32 | Membrillo | how do i put a % sign in my WPS so it places a % character on the screen and doesnt interpret it as syntax |
| 13:23:00 | ashridah | %% ? |
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| 13:26:27 | Membrillo | ah |
| 13:26:29 | Membrillo | terrific |
| 13:29:03 | ep0ch| | perplexity: cool, hope you get some good results |
| 13:29:53 | Febs | For new H300 Rockbox users, the QuickStart guide has been updated with H300 information (including button assignments): http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/QuickStart |
| 13:30:30 | muesli_- | Febs btw is it ok to start a german rbx support forum? |
| 13:31:20 | muesli_- | LinusN |
| 13:31:23 | * | perplexity bangs head on desk.. my first foray into gdb.. think I need a drink |
| 13:31:23 | muesli_- | amiconn |
| 13:31:29 | muesli_- | same q to you |
| 13:34:01 | Membrillo | hmmm, for some reason my background on my WPS isnt showing |
| 13:34:38 | Membrillo | what could it be |
| 13:34:58 | Jungti1234 | hmm.. |
| 13:35:02 | Membrillo | ah |
| 13:35:09 | Membrillo | does it have to be saved in monochrome format? |
| 13:35:22 | chopped_pork | Membrillo: yup |
| 13:35:25 | Membrillo | there you go |
| 13:36:12 | Membrillo | ok |
| 13:36:20 | Membrillo | im pretty sure my iPodvol WPS is done |
| 13:36:46 | Jungti1234 | :) |
| 13:37:05 | Bgr | http://www.sunbelt-software.com/stu/quitcomplainingaboutyourjob.htm heh :) |
| 13:37:46 | Jungti1234 | ow |
| 13:38:10 | Jungti1234 | Terrible. :) |
| 13:38:28 | Bgr | yep |
| 13:38:55 | Jungti1234 | It's a Chinese. |
| 13:39:46 | Membrillo | it does indeed work |
| 13:40:19 | Jungti1234 | ow |
| 13:40:40 | Jungti1234 | Show it to me. |
| 13:40:54 | Membrillo | nah, bed time now |
| 13:41:02 | Membrillo | but i will be back :) |
| 13:41:05 | Membrillo | i like to linger |
| 13:41:24 | Jungti1234 | -_-; |
| 13:41:43 | Jungti1234 | no.......... |
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| 13:45:32 | Febs | muesli_ - Not my call on the German Rockbox support forum, although it sounds like a good idea to me. |
| 13:46:02 | muesli_- | we have a forum..but those mods are damn slow |
| 13:46:11 | muesli_- | useless |
| 13:46:23 | muesli_- | thus we'd like to set up a new forum |
| 13:46:27 | muesli_- | similar to mr |
| 13:47:39 | Jungti1234 | I wonder. |
| 13:47:39 | Jungti1234 | If I apply WPS that make, why does H300 stop operation? |
| 13:47:50 | ep0ch| | i think misticriver needs a bigger site logo |
| 13:47:56 | Bgr | what do you mean ? |
| 13:48:03 | Bgr | (to Jungti1234) |
| 13:48:30 | Jungti1234 | As I use WPS that make, H300 stops. |
| 13:49:20 | Bgr | where "stops" mean ? |
| 13:49:25 | Bgr | explain more |
| 13:50:23 | Jungti1234 | system down |
| 13:50:32 | Bgr | power off ? |
| 13:50:36 | Jungti1234 | no |
| 13:50:38 | Bgr | the unit powers of ? |
| 13:50:39 | Bgr | or ? |
| 13:50:40 | Jungti1234 | stop |
| 13:50:48 | Bgr | and returns in the file browser ? |
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| 13:51:33 | Bgr | or it just sits in the wps screen |
| 13:52:00 | Jungti1234 | Stop in wps browser. |
| 13:52:22 | Bgr | wps screen you mean |
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| 13:52:49 | Bgr | i suggest u to put your wps code somewhere so someone could look at it ... |
| 13:54:13 | Jungti1234 | May I show it to you? |
| 13:54:34 | Bgr | i'm not the right person for wps ... |
| 13:54:57 | Bgr | and i don't have time right now to learn the wps codes ... |
| 13:55:06 | lostlogic | gah, can't simulate tremor to profile :( |
| 13:55:11 | markun | I thought the LCD of the Gigabeat was visible with backlight turned off.. but it was just dimmed. |
| 13:55:20 | Bgr | :( |
| 13:55:32 | Bgr | hm |
| 13:55:42 | Bgr | what's the battery life then ? |
| 13:55:45 | perplexity | lostlogic is it segfaulting ? |
| 13:55:56 | markun | without backlight 16 hours of mp3 |
| 13:56:01 | lostlogic | perplexity: yes |
| 13:56:04 | Bgr | it doesn't stay dimmed for a long time time i guess ? |
| 13:56:15 | Jungti1234 | qegnklqgnip |
| 13:56:23 | Jungti1234 | What should I do? |
| 13:56:38 | perplexity | comment out "errno=0" in _get_data in vorbisfile.c and it will play the first segment of the ogg in any case.. |
| 13:56:45 | Bgr | Jungti1234: i said you: put it somewhere on the web and post a link here |
| 13:56:51 | lostlogic | Jungti1234: post it on the misticriver forums or somewhere where people will look at it, ask for help |
| 13:56:57 | Bgr | and wait ... |
| 13:56:58 | Jungti1234 | ok |
| 13:57:17 | lostlogic | perplexity: does it still segfault after? |
| 13:57:30 | perplexity | nope... just only plays about a second of sound then just sits there.. |
| 13:57:38 | lostlogic | that might work. |
| 13:57:51 | perplexity | well.. I have just compiled with profiling enabled.. let's see what happens |
| 13:58:22 | Jungti1234 | Membrillo, are you there? |
| 13:58:42 | Jungti1234 | Did he go out? |
| 13:58:54 | lostlogic | I tried putting almost all of the residue and floor code in IRAM last night, it helped performance, but not as much as I'd hoped, so I want to profile it and see what exactly is worth moving to IRAM. |
| 13:59:53 | perplexity | I suspect it's going to require more than just moving code to iram.. I was thinking about some of the really critical code segments in asm perhaps.. but then that's why I'm profiling to find out :) |
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| 14:00:16 | lostlogic | depends on your goal |
| 14:00:30 | lostlogic | I'm just trying to get it to stop skipping on q7 ogg at 90mhz |
| 14:00:32 | perplexity | my goal is to get -q10 oggs playing at 90Mhz :) |
| 14:00:43 | lostlogic | quite the goal :) |
| 14:00:59 | lostlogic | :-\ mine still segfaulted w/o that errno=0 |
| 14:01:00 | perplexity | Well, I figure I might learn something along the way.. |
| 14:01:12 | perplexity | did you remove vorbis.codec and re-zip/unzip ? |
| 14:01:23 | ep0ch| | does iriver fw play -q10 oggs ok? |
| 14:01:27 | perplexity | rm -f apps/codecs/vorbis.codec && make && make zip && cd archos && unzip -o ../rockbox.zip && cd .. |
| 14:01:41 | Bgr | ep0ch|: at least the specifications say so |
| 14:01:43 | lostlogic | I was a mo-ron and didn't run make install on that attempt |
| 14:01:53 | perplexity | Apparently on the H1x0 it does.. |
| 14:02:21 | lostlogic | yay, it's playing! |
| 14:02:23 | ep0ch| | iirc iriver fw uses 90 mhz for vorbis, so its probably do able |
| 14:02:42 | perplexity | I'm sure it is. it's just a matter of making the coded efficient enough.. |
| 14:02:45 | lostlogic | ep0ch|: it's too slow still, which is why perplexity and I and probably others are working on it |
| 14:03:31 | perplexity | I'd not go as far as saying "I" am working on it.. more like fumbling, bumbling, and crashing through the code like a wounded bull.. but you never know.. I might learn something.. |
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| 14:03:50 | lostlogic | perplexity: same. |
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| 14:05:06 | amiconn | Iirc the iriver firmware doesn't play oggs >500 kbits/s |
| 14:05:25 | amiconn | (Not that I think such bitrates are sane...) |
| 14:06:09 | Bgr | yes, this is near the loseless sizes |
| 14:06:27 | amiconn | Exactly |
| 14:06:43 | perplexity | Yeah, I'm thinking at that rate you might as well be using FLAC |
| 14:07:06 | Bgr | heh |
| 14:07:06 | Bgr | File Type MPEG 1/2/2.5 Layer 3, WMA, ASF, OGG |
| 14:07:07 | Bgr | Bit Rate MP3: 32Kbps ~ 320Kbps |
| 14:07:10 | dwihno | What's with everybody disliking wavpack? |
| 14:07:13 | ashridah | hmm. some flacs i;'ve made have come out at 900kbps |
| 14:07:15 | dwihno | WavPack to the people!!! :) |
| 14:07:44 | amiconn | ashridah: I even have some >1000kbps. That's with -8 ... |
| 14:07:45 | ashridah | dwihno: it's not that i don't like it, i just haven't run into much that can play it. |
| 14:07:52 | perplexity | Only that I already have over 100 full CD images in FLAC and I don't feel like converting them :) |
| 14:07:57 | ashridah | amiconn: whoa |
| 14:07:58 | Bgr | (taken from detailed specs for h100 @ iriver.com ... not very detailed obviously) |
| 14:08:01 | dwihno | ashridah: Same here... People just don't want to support it... |
| 14:08:19 | dwihno | ashridah: I'll probably end up converting all my wavpack to flac. |
| 14:08:25 | perplexity | lostlogic: are you able to play more than about 1 second of the song? |
| 14:08:25 | ashridah | dwihno: it has no mindshare, which is a pity, it sounds like it's decent. |
| 14:09:01 | lostlogic | perplexity: yeah, played about 2 minutes of the song |
| 14:09:11 | lostlogic | perplexity: but now I have to figure out multithreaded profiling |
| 14:09:40 | lostlogic | and I have to get it to show the symbol calls inside the vorbis codec |
| 14:09:53 | perplexity | heh.. I'm still suck with it stopping after 1 second.. I get some profile data but not enough to actually do anything :| |
| 14:10:31 | lostlogic | *nod* I get data, but it just shows the high-level calls into the codec, not the internals, missing something important here |
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| 14:11:24 | dwihno | ashridah: mindshare? |
| 14:11:35 | perplexity | Yeah, sounds like thread selection.. well you are ahead of me in any case |
| 14:13:19 | perplexity | http://sam.zoy.org/writings/programming/gprof.html |
| 14:13:49 | lostlogic | yeah, seen it... working on it |
| 14:13:59 | perplexity | heh.. always one step ahead |
| 14:14:21 | lostlogic | could barely sleep overnight, because I was planning to dive into profiling this morning ;) |
| 14:14:28 | lostlogic | but you're the one who knew to disable that errno call. |
| 14:14:33 | perplexity | Oh I'm not even close to that hard core.. |
| 14:15:42 | lostlogic | hardcore or stupid, hard to tell sometimes :-P |
| 14:16:09 | B4gder | I'm definately on the stupid side |
| 14:16:17 | perplexity | lol.. I know how you feel though.. I'm absolutely embarrased to say it took me nearly 2 hours to figure that errno segfault out. |
| 14:18:48 | lostlogic | I hadn't looked at rockbox code at all till last night, so it took a lot of patience from linuxtsb to get me pointed in the right direction with starting to optimize |
| 14:19:18 | ashridah | dwihno: random audiophiles haven't heard of it as much, it has no traction, no early adopter spread, etc. |
| 14:19:27 | lostlogic | I was able to make some headway with just moving things randomly to IRAM based on interpretation of frequency from code, but that isn't right, profiling is right. |
| 14:20:03 | Jungti1234 | good night all |
| 14:20:05 | Jungti1234 | bye |
| 14:20:11 | Bgr | nite, JdGordon |
| 14:20:13 | perplexity | Yeah.. I only compiled my first version a couple of days ago.. and I'm pretty green with "C". Most of my stuff has all been directly in ASM, so this high level language stuff is taking some getting used to :) |
| 14:20:14 | Bgr | Jungti1234 |
| 14:20:20 | Jungti1234 | ^^ |
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| 14:20:40 | JdGordon | dont u hate crappy name comletion?? |
| 14:21:05 | lostlogic | haha, other way around for me −− I used to hack about in the linux kernel, but currently I'm a Java coder by trade |
| 14:21:06 | perplexity | You just don't hit tab enough... |
| 14:21:09 | ep0ch| | perplexity: oh just dive straight in and asm mdct.c :) |
| 14:21:17 | Bgr | JdGordon: sorry :) |
| 14:21:24 | dwihno | ashridah: It also beats flac compression-wise |
| 14:21:33 | perplexity | give me a little time to come up to speed with the coldfire instruction set ep0ch|, I only got the manuals yesterday |
| 14:21:59 | ashridah | dwihno: i didn't say it sucked. |
| 14:22:14 | ashridah | but i'm just saying, beta didn't suck either, yet VHS still won |
| 14:22:17 | dwihno | ashridah: Sure you didn't, I just try spread some wavpack evangelism here :) |
| 14:22:44 | lostlogic | dangit, still not getting things that happen inside the codec |
| 14:23:50 | preglow | converting wavpack to flac? now what kind of nonsense is that |
| 14:23:59 | preglow | lostlogic: getting what? |
| 14:24:27 | lostlogic | profiling the simulator, I only see things that happen in the main rockboxui executable, not things that happen inside the codecs |
| 14:25:32 | ashridah | lostlogic: they run in separare threads |
| 14:25:37 | perplexity | Same here lostlogic... I only get vorbis tag reads and metadata info.. |
| 14:25:50 | ashridah | separate even |
| 14:25:58 | lostlogic | ashridah: used: http://sam.zoy.org/writings/programming/gprof.html to try and capture all threads, may not be working. |
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| 14:26:36 | perplexity | I'll look at it again later.. I suspect forcing the ITIMER_PROF event from inside the codec thread directly will do what we want.. |
| 14:26:36 | JdGordon | gnite all |
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| 14:26:53 | perplexity | anyway I'd better leave before the parking inspector tows my car away.. ciao all |
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| 14:28:36 | Jungti1234 | hey guys |
| 14:28:36 | Jungti1234 | Really, new original firmware of H300 release do? |
| 14:28:52 | Bgr | what??? |
| 14:29:11 | Bgr | really ? |
| 14:29:16 | Jungti1234 | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=32558 |
| 14:29:26 | Jungti1234 | I desire that that is true. |
| 14:29:36 | ashridah | iirc, gprof's threading support sucks balls, btw. |
| 14:29:43 | lostlogic | noted. |
| 14:31:05 | amiconn | B4gder: r u there? |
| 14:31:20 | B4gder | yes, but only for a short while more |
| 14:31:32 | amiconn | Regarding the self-extractor... |
| 14:31:58 | amiconn | The first thing necessary is to make the Makefile use the proper directories for building |
| 14:32:11 | amiconn | Right now it does everything in the source dir |
| 14:32:53 | amiconn | For integration into the build system, I think the following things are necessary: |
| 14:33:41 | amiconn | (1) A script (build-image.pl ?) that builds the .ajz instead of a direct call to scramble, which does the following |
| 14:33:56 | amiconn | - call scramble and check return code |
| 14:33:58 | Jungti1234 | Does no one know whether that is true? |
| 14:34:15 | ep0ch| | wait and see |
| 14:34:15 | amiconn | - when ok, the job is already done |
| 14:34:45 | ep0ch| | i cant see them adding any features though |
| 14:34:47 | amiconn | - if error: firmware too big, then: |
| 14:35:02 | amiconn | - call 'make' in firmware/decompressor |
| 14:35:03 | Bgr | Jungti1234: i don't think SoulEata has dreamed this ... |
| 14:35:19 | preglow | who cares if it's true? |
| 14:35:21 | Jungti1234 | hehe.. |
| 14:35:23 | amiconn | - call scramble, this time using compressed.bin built in the last step |
| 14:35:25 | preglow | it's probably just a few small shitty features anyway |
| 14:35:47 | Bgr | preglow u're probably right ;) |
| 14:35:55 | preglow | of course i'm right |
| 14:35:58 | amiconn | (2) For this to work, rockbox.ucl is a prerequisite for building ajbrec.ajz/archos.mod |
| 14:35:59 | ep0ch| | nah it'll be a bug fix, or something to do with lyric support |
| 14:36:04 | Bgr | or maybe SDK for plugins :D |
| 14:36:06 | amiconn | That's all... |
| 14:36:12 | preglow | i have wide experience with iriver not doing what the users want |
| 14:36:32 | ep0ch| | preglow: well they gave us gapless ;) |
| 14:36:36 | Jungti1234 | Do you know here? : http://www.wikihouse.com/cipher/index.php?rockbox |
| 14:36:49 | preglow | ep0ch|: yes indeed... the famous gap delete |
| 14:36:51 | amiconn | Oh, and regarding the build directories, the Makefile should usually work in BUILDDIR/firmware/decompressor ... |
| 14:36:55 | Bgr | Today, 01:35 AM |
| 14:36:55 | Bgr | ...gapless... gapless... gapless... gapless... gapless... gapless... gapless... gapless... gapless... gapless... gapless... gapless... |
| 14:36:55 | Bgr | Please Father Christmas, make it gapless... I've been a good boy all year... well, mostly good for most of the year... |
| 14:36:56 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Bgr |
| 14:36:56 | Bgr | hahaha |
| 14:37:01 | Jungti1234 | hahaha |
| 14:37:03 | preglow | hahah |
| 14:37:03 | amiconn | ...but take rockbox.ucl directly from BUILDDIR |
| 14:37:04 | preglow | yes |
| 14:37:09 | preglow | fat chance you'll get gapless |
| 14:37:22 | preglow | i can guarantee you: no gapless |
| 14:38:03 | ep0ch| | any idea if iriver are going to come out with a successor to the H series? or are they going down the video route? |
| 14:38:28 | amiconn | B4gder: That should work for all archos target, so *in theory* we could exceed the 400KB limit on fmr/Ondio as well, although I strongly hope that'll never happen |
| 14:40:33 | B4gder | ok, gotta go now |
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| 14:43:06 | Jungti1234 | bye |
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| 14:43:16 | zaZZ | hi. i have an iriver 140 and using rockbox. I also update daily builds. Do i need to update the bootloader or is updated by the daily builds? |
| 14:43:41 | LinusN | the bootloader is separate |
| 14:43:47 | ep0ch| | zaZZ: you will need to reflash the firmware |
| 14:44:27 | zaZZ | do i need to get the new bootloader? i mean is it getting better like the daily builds? |
| 14:44:28 | markun | The max volume of the gigabeat is insane |
| 14:44:34 | markun | Blows your head off |
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| 14:47:30 | amiconn | markun: Well, the max. iriver volume isn't really high |
| 14:47:38 | amiconn | Archos is significantly louder |
| 14:47:48 | amiconn | Not that I'd need it... |
| 14:48:26 | ep0ch| | zaZZ: what version bootloader do you currently have? |
| 14:48:56 | zaZZ | v.5 |
| 14:52:14 | ep0ch| | zaZZ: imho the new bootloader doesnt seem to add anything essential, but if you can bare going into iriver firmware to update there's no harm in it. |
| 14:53:41 | zaZZ | ok, i will now try to find how to reflash the firmware and go to bootloader v.6 |
| 14:53:42 | zaZZ | thx |
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| 14:55:25 | DocBrown | LinusN: Hi! Just put the results from last nights 'bootloader session' to the wiki |
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| 15:07:10 | Bgr | what ? :) |
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| 15:19:38 | LinusN | DocBrown: great |
| 15:22:32 | lostlogic | where does the simulator's main method hide? |
| 15:23:12 | LinusN | x11 or win32? |
| 15:23:17 | lostlogic | x11 |
| 15:24:27 | LinusN | uibasic.c iirc |
| 15:24:49 | LinusN | no, screenhack.c |
| 15:25:12 | lostlogic | coo', ty |
| 15:25:24 | perplexity | got those profiles yet lostlogic ? |
| 15:25:31 | lostlogic | perplexity: no :( |
| 15:25:56 | lostlogic | used moncontrol(0) to turn it off in screenhack.c and moncontrol(1) to turn it on in the audio_thread, and still getting J4CK |
| 15:26:59 | perplexity | Bummer.. |
| 15:27:18 | perplexity | Looks like gprof is a bit of a three legged dog for threaded stuff |
| 15:27:24 | lostlogic | 2 legged. |
| 15:28:33 | ep0ch| | are you trying to profile rockbox or Tremor? |
| 15:28:59 | perplexity | Tremor (well I was in any case) |
| 15:29:11 | lostlogic | Tremor by way of rockbox |
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| 15:29:28 | ep0ch| | why not just profile Tremor without Rockbox |
| 15:29:38 | amiconn | LinusN: Btw, is there a reason why the 'Force mono' radio setting is handled specially? |
| 15:29:43 | lostlogic | don't want to write a whole test application to do that? |
| 15:29:57 | LinusN | amiconn: specially? |
| 15:29:59 | amiconn | It's a bit faster to operate this way, but it breaks consistency |
| 15:30:43 | amiconn | Well, this is the only boolean option that has its setting *in* the menu item, and calling the item toggles it |
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| 15:31:38 | LinusN | ah, it was an experiment really, to see if it was nice to have a direct toggle |
| 15:31:43 | amiconn | Also, did you check whether switching FM modes works on fmr? |
| 15:32:05 | LinusN | scan/preset? |
| 15:32:10 | amiconn | yup |
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| 15:32:20 | amiconn | (direct toggle) what do you think? |
| 15:32:39 | LinusN | mode change works fine |
| 15:32:39 | amiconn | I'm asking because the scan/preset item for Ondio would also be boolean |
| 15:32:53 | LinusN | i like direct toggles |
| 15:33:06 | LinusN | in fact, i'd like more settings to be like that |
| 15:33:11 | amiconn | Hmm. |
| 15:33:37 | LinusN | but it's hard to do platform independent |
| 15:33:42 | amiconn | For more than 2..3 settings, the values should be right justified, imho |
| 15:33:50 | LinusN | absolutely |
| 15:34:05 | amiconn | ...and it will be difficult to implement this for multiple-choice options |
| 15:34:11 | amiconn | The strings can be rather long |
| 15:34:39 | amiconn | Some numerical settings have quite long unit names as well |
| 15:34:50 | LinusN | yes, there are countless problems with that approach |
| 15:35:15 | amiconn | Boolean could use the checkbox widget |
| 15:35:16 | LinusN | i have a few ideas, but let's discuss them another time :-) |
| 15:35:37 | amiconn | I just need to decide how to handle the mode switch on ondio right now |
| 15:35:45 | LinusN | yes, but how is the checkbox voiced? |
| 15:36:11 | LinusN | do the in-menu boolean thing, like the mono mode |
| 15:36:17 | LinusN | i like it |
| 15:36:28 | lostlogic | perplexity: new hunt, let's use google. http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=150&sid=32cf5dec452d2038401b9ff7b5165288 has some info that may be useful. (/gprof) |
| 15:36:39 | LinusN | DocBrown: u there? |
| 15:37:40 | amiconn | LinusN: I think the voicing could stay as-is. Yes/No or On/Off |
| 15:37:48 | LinusN | me too |
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| 15:40:16 | LinusN | anyone here with an h300 that can't boot with the v2 bootloader? |
| 15:40:51 | perplexity | well spotted lostlogic.. now I have been digging in all the generated asm files for Tremor only to find that some nice person has already optimised a great deal of the real workers.. |
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| 15:42:44 | DocBrown | LinusN: In principle, yes. Can look into brownser only occasionally |
| 15:42:46 | preglow | perplexity: yes, some friendly soul appeared out of nowhere and optimised it |
| 15:43:07 | LinusN | DocBrown: http://linus.haxx.se/H300.zip |
| 15:43:20 | perplexity | Oh I'm sure they just "appeared out of nowhere" :) I just have not been around long enought to equate real names to irc nicks ;) |
| 15:43:25 | DocBrown | LinusN: Okay, will try... |
| 15:43:44 | preglow | perplexity: at least i haven't seen him for at least four months |
| 15:43:49 | preglow | he never hung around here anyway |
| 15:44:14 | perplexity | I'm impressed by the code anyway.. |
| 15:44:22 | LinusN | in fact, his optimization patch came as a surprise |
| 15:45:01 | perplexity | Man I wish we could run gprof on the actual target :\ |
| 15:45:30 | LinusN | there is an old profiling patch in the tracker |
| 15:45:39 | perplexity | I might have a look.. ta :) |
| 15:46:00 | LinusN | but it needs some work, a lot of things have changed since then |
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| 15:46:31 | perplexity | lostlogic it looks like there could be a small gain to be had by copying the sincos_lookup* tables to fast ram.. if they are not there alreay |
| 15:46:46 | perplexity | It would give me a leg up anyway.. Thanks for the pointer. |
| 15:47:32 | perplexity | Ignore me.. I see they already are.. |
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| 15:47:47 | LinusN | perplexity: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=439120&group_id=44306&aid=1157222 |
| 15:47:57 | amiconn | LinusN: Hmm, I want to reuse the language strings for the menu item, but they are 'Scan Mode' and 'Preset Mode' |
| 15:48:10 | LinusN | bummer |
| 15:48:13 | amiconn | Putting a 'Mode:' in front of them will probably look silly, |
| 15:48:26 | amiconn | but not putting anything would be confusing... |
| 15:49:41 | LinusN | then change it to Mode: Scan/Preset in the main screen |
| 15:49:43 | perplexity | Thanks LinusN, that was how I intended to do it myself, but seeing as someone else has already done the donkey work.. I'll just stand on their shoulders :) |
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| 15:56:28 | preglow | perplexity: but yeah, in addition to iram use, you can also recode the mdct |
| 15:57:05 | perplexity | by recode you mean convert more of it into better asm, or fundamentaly change the way the algorithm is implemented? |
| 15:57:42 | perplexity | I have been combing the final generated asm for the last hour or so, and to be frank.. it's not too shabby, especially when you take into account the hand optimised portions.. |
| 15:58:07 | preglow | perplexity: it can be coded by doing an (i)fft (which are faster), and a coupleof sort step |
| 15:58:10 | preglow | s |
| 15:58:46 | perplexity | In which case this programmer, bereft of mathematical dsp talent is going to have to do some serious study :) |
| 15:58:53 | preglow | hehe |
| 15:59:00 | preglow | some of the current codecs already do this |
| 15:59:03 | preglow | like a52 and flac |
| 15:59:06 | preglow | you could study them |
| 15:59:18 | preglow | but yeah, ffts exist already in numerous fast implementations |
| 15:59:24 | perplexity | And I will.. FLAC is super fast.. |
| 15:59:25 | preglow | and the sort steps aren't too hard |
| 15:59:34 | preglow | i meant aac |
| 15:59:36 | preglow | ahh, sorry |
| 15:59:41 | preglow | flac is a time-domain decoder |
| 15:59:59 | perplexity | indeed.. I just defered to the greater experience :) |
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| 16:01:02 | perplexity | I had naively assumed that as Tremor was written for these sort of apps, that the author might have chosen the most efficient algorithms off the bat.. |
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| 16:01:34 | mirak | salut |
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| 16:02:01 | LinusN | mirak: salut |
| 16:02:05 | | Part miah |
| 16:02:23 | preglow | perplexity: no, he deliberately did not go into that issue at all |
| 16:02:26 | mirak | anyone heard of fixed point codecs ? |
| 16:02:30 | mirak | for video |
| 16:02:36 | preglow | perplexity: i views tremor as a sort of baseline implementation, where everyone else does work on top of it |
| 16:02:48 | preglow | perplexity: s/i/he/ |
| 16:02:53 | LinusN | i know next-to-nothing about video codecs |
| 16:02:53 | preglow | mirak: of course |
| 16:03:10 | markun | ffmpeg is fixed point I think. Most are. |
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| 16:03:45 | perplexity | Ok, thanks for the headsup preglow.. now it's off to find/hit the dsp books.. later all :) |
| 16:04:03 | preglow | perplexity: goodie, could need another dsp fellow around here, i'm wildly inefficient ;) |
| 16:04:10 | preglow | but okays, i'm out, later |
| 16:05:40 | DocBrown | LinusN: Not a real improvement. Have the impression that the first one was closest... now it either stays black, flickers or boots iriver fw |
| 16:05:42 | markun | mirak: on 2nd thought, I'm not so sure |
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| 16:11:21 | webguest47 | Hello here |
| 16:11:32 | webguest47 | I'm wondering something |
| 16:12:09 | LinusN | DocBrown: it doesn't boot the iriver firmware anymoe? |
| 16:12:20 | LinusN | sorry, i misread |
| 16:12:36 | webguest47 | When I go to the audio tread for see cpu boost, I noticed that witout song the cpu boost increased, sometimes more than with sound 15-20% |
| 16:12:48 | webguest47 | is it one known thing? |
| 16:13:04 | LinusN | webguest47: which platform? |
| 16:13:18 | webguest47 | sorry, iriver h1xx platform |
| 16:13:29 | LinusN | do you have backlight fade enabled? |
| 16:13:30 | markun | maybe the backlight fading? |
| 16:13:31 | webguest47 | boost cpu without song |
| 16:13:57 | webguest47 | yes I have, |
| 16:14:13 | webguest47 | but this backlight fadind cost cpu more than song? |
| 16:14:13 | LinusN | the backlight fading boosts the cpu |
| 16:14:21 | webguest47 | ok |
| 16:14:28 | webguest47 | a lot, no? |
| 16:14:57 | webguest47 | 15-20%, when we know FLAC for exomple doesn't eat cpu around |
| 16:15:34 | webguest47 | now you said me that I will never use this option again (pitty it was so fun) |
| 16:16:30 | amiconn | No, backlight fading doesn't cost much CPU by itself, but it has to boost the CPU in order to avoid frequency changes during the fade |
| 16:16:41 | amiconn | ...which would cause flicker |
| 16:17:07 | webguest47 | but I tested to dosen't touch any key, and that still boost a bit :( |
| 16:17:20 | webguest47 | amiconn: ah ok |
| 16:17:40 | ep0ch| | while were on the subject of backlight fading. Something that slightly annoys me is the way backlight fading is on by default. Shouldn't the default be to have no fading? |
| 16:17:50 | amiconn | It only boost during the fade |
| 16:17:53 | webguest47 | taht is true |
| 16:18:01 | webguest47 | epOch |
| 16:18:26 | webguest47 | amiconn: can the dircahe boost the cpu, if is'nt the backlight? |
| 16:18:33 | LinusN | ep0ch|: it's sometimes good to have the eye candy on by default, for the first-impression effect |
| 16:18:52 | webguest47 | rellay true too :) |
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| 16:19:01 | Pieter | hi! |
| 16:19:03 | LinusN | i believe the dircache boosts it during the background scan |
| 16:19:05 | ep0ch| | LinusN: true but i think as it boosts cpu it should be off |
| 16:19:05 | webguest47 | Hello |
| 16:19:16 | Pieter | rockbox stopped compiling on the development kit |
| 16:19:25 | Pieter | mentions something about uclpack... |
| 16:19:31 | amiconn | ep0ch|: It only boosts during the fade |
| 16:19:42 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 16:19:42 | * | amiconn repeats himself |
| 16:19:42 | ep0ch| | i know |
| 16:19:49 | webguest47 | LinusN, amiconn: if isn't dircahe or backlight I'm wondering what can cause this cpu cost? |
| 16:19:53 | LinusN | Pieter: install cygwin for real, or wait for an updated devkit |
| 16:21:54 | webguest47 | an other system question please guy |
| 16:22:12 | amiconn | The dircache boosts the CPU during the background scan |
| 16:22:31 | * | amiconn has the dircache disabled |
| 16:22:43 | Pieter | i'll install cygwin then.. thought i'd notify you :) |
| 16:23:24 | webguest47 | I make the spining down option to 3seconds, but sometimes that is much more than 3sec |
| 16:23:26 | LinusN | Pieter: we've had lots of reports |
| 16:23:47 | Pieter | ah. sorry then :) |
| 16:23:51 | webguest47 | isn't normally force the HD to sleep in 3sec for my exemple?. |
| 16:23:51 | LinusN | Pieter: but the devkit is not the officially supported way of developing |
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| 16:24:41 | webguest47 | LinusN, amiconn: any thought please |
| 16:25:08 | amiconn | It spins down 3 seconds after the last activity once it is spinning |
| 16:25:19 | LinusN | i gotta go, cu later |
| 16:25:20 | amiconn | If you keep pressing buttons, it keeps spinning |
| 16:25:53 | webguest47 | but for exemple I do nothing and I can still hear HD activity |
| 16:26:07 | webguest47 | and few seconds after it go sleeping |
| 16:26:16 | webguest47 | (more than 3sec) |
| 16:26:28 | webguest47 | and I didn't do nothing, just browser |
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| 16:27:01 | webguest47 | OMG 45minutes now for building :) |
| 16:27:13 | webguest47 | CVS one I mean |
| 16:27:40 | Pieter | linusN: thanks.. i'll try cygwin again and will stop whining ;) |
| 16:28:20 | amiconn | LinusN: Teh iwindows nstaller didn't get built again |
| 16:29:14 | webguest47 | oups Linus gone |
| 16:30:03 | webguest47 | thanks folks for your answers |
| 16:30:29 | webguest47 | have a good day to all |
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| 18:06:57 | ]RowaN[ | this playback speed option for the iriver.. does it alter the pitch too? |
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| 18:31:34 | muesli- | is there a limitation of wav-recording? |
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| 18:34:31 | _FireFly_ | muesli-: afail the free disk capazity |
| 18:34:34 | _FireFly_ | afaik |
| 18:34:50 | _FireFly_ | and after ca 2gb a file-split |
| 18:35:12 | muesli- | sounds awesome |
| 18:35:47 | muesli- | what about "knackser" are they hardware related? |
| 18:36:18 | _FireFly_ | the only "knackser" which i know are only on the start of recording |
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| 18:39:44 | muesli- | ok :D |
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| 18:56:58 | wubbla | Hi |
| 18:57:11 | wubbla | hum. Where's LinusN? :-) |
| 18:57:39 | wubbla | I saw that there has been progress on the dead-bug? |
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| 18:59:11 | lamed | here's a stupid one: how do i change playback speed on the h1x0? |
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| 19:00:11 | lamed | anyone please? |
| 19:00:19 | lamed | i'm in a bit of a hurry |
| 19:00:32 | _FireFly_ | look at the forum |
| 19:00:45 | lamed | k |
| 19:00:48 | Moos | hold play key+up/down |
| 19:03:00 | lamed | on wps that is? |
| 19:03:46 | Moos | yes |
| 19:03:48 | lamed | here's the problem - the cvs update/build didn't went through like expected. i'm still running 11/25.... thanks all. |
| 19:04:49 | Moos | this playback speed changes seeting, are activated yesterday |
| 19:06:17 | lamed | yes, i dont know what went wrong. |
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| 19:06:41 | _FireFly_ | error messages ?? |
| 19:06:54 | Moos | make clean ;) |
| 19:07:02 | _FireFly_ | has cvs updated printed some lines with a C on start ?? |
| 19:07:19 | lamed | don't worry _firefly_, i'll check. |
| 19:07:21 | _FireFly_ | or do a reconfigure |
| 19:08:12 | lamed | i'm corrently working for the computer to start working. |
| 19:08:29 | _FireFly_ | ;) |
| 19:09:49 | lamed | that's the second reset within two minuts. not my computer. |
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| 19:11:02 | lamed | kill bill gates. |
| 19:11:10 | _FireFly_ | ;) |
| 19:12:07 | lamed | (connecting the usb cable caused the computer to... reset!) |
| 19:13:20 | t0mas | that might be a feature... |
| 19:13:47 | markun | Anyone feeling like doing some decrypting? |
| 19:13:52 | t0mas | if your reset switch is broken... and you're using windows < 2000 |
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| 19:14:15 | t0mas | markun: decryption of what? |
| 19:14:38 | markun | I have some system files from my Gigabeat. One of them give quite a regular image when viewing it as a 256x.. 8bit grayscale image |
| 19:15:27 | lamed | i think rb checks for rockbox.iriver at /.rockbox folder before at the root. might be misleading as it still builds the file outside the folder. |
| 19:15:38 | t0mas | hm... |
| 19:15:40 | lamed | pretty positive on that |
| 19:15:50 | t0mas | lamed: then change the order? |
| 19:15:52 | markun | This is the image: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/FWIMG01.png |
| 19:16:03 | t0mas | lamed: or better... ask Linus to change it |
| 19:16:14 | markun | the actual file is the same .DAT |
| 19:16:40 | _FireFly_ | markun: it looks very colorful :) |
| 19:16:43 | lamed | tOmas: then if you had an old rockbox.iriver at the firmware folder, and you've just upgraded, you won't get updated. |
| 19:16:58 | markun | _FireFly_: I'm color blind :) |
| 19:17:10 | lamed | yes, thanks for the speed _firefly_, se ya all later. |
| 19:17:19 | t0mas | hm... markun? can you make a screenshot of what you see? |
| 19:17:36 | t0mas | I don't see anything in it... |
| 19:17:52 | markun | t0mas: Don't you see the stripes? |
| 19:18:04 | markun | Maybe zoom in.. |
| 19:18:16 | _FireFly_ | it is only a carbage of small color pixel :) |
| 19:18:22 | t0mas | markun: ah, see it |
| 19:18:44 | _FireFly_ | fine lines i can see |
| 19:19:16 | _FireFly_ | markun: should the file be an image or what ?? |
| 19:20:10 | markun | _FireFly_: I don't know what the image should be, There are 3 firmware files, the first is very small, and the last doesn't show any patterns. |
| 19:20:24 | markun | Maybe they are encrypted the same way |
| 19:20:51 | _FireFly_ | maybe the first one is a bootloader |
| 19:21:15 | _FireFly_ | are the first 2 bytes of each file the same ?? |
| 19:21:58 | markun | no, they aren't |
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| 19:23:50 | _FireFly_ | markun: why do you think it is encrypted ?? |
| 19:24:30 | markun | I was just suspecting it |
| 19:24:40 | t0mas | on what is it running? |
| 19:24:49 | _FireFly_ | gigabeat |
| 19:24:56 | t0mas | yeah... but what CPU? |
| 19:25:20 | Moos | ARM |
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| 19:26:03 | tucoz | markun, have you tried running strings on that file? |
| 19:26:14 | San | anything major new in the daily builds? |
| 19:26:17 | markun | yes, no luck |
| 19:26:20 | _FireFly_ | running strings ?? |
| 19:26:23 | tucoz | I see. |
| 19:26:42 | t0mas | _FireFly_: a gnu utilitie for displaying strings in an executable or something like it |
| 19:26:42 | tucoz | _FireFly_: Yes, that dumps all strings in a file |
| 19:26:52 | _FireFly_ | ahyes |
| 19:27:25 | t0mas | markun: do you know the gcc target for that cpu? |
| 19:27:27 | markun | There are so accidental strings like g7DeO or something |
| 19:27:34 | t0mas | then you can just try to disassemble it with gdb... |
| 19:27:40 | t0mas | if that works... it's not encrypted |
| 19:27:40 | tucoz | If you run strings on the x5 firmware, you see that at least the strings are unencrypted |
| 19:27:58 | tucoz | or if you run strings on the unscrambled iriverfw |
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| 19:37:19 | LinusN | regarding the search order for rockbox.iriver, it looks in .rockbox first because that's where it will be when we finally change the distribution archives |
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| 19:38:00 | LinusN | we haven't changed it just yet, because we want to wait until people have installed the v6 bootloader |
| 19:40:15 | Nixsos | LinusN: yesterday i reported the 'disk spinning - no backlight' bug on my H340 Intl, just wanna let you know that the Hold trick works! So do you already have an idea about how to fix the bootloader? |
| 19:40:41 | LinusN | not yet, i have tried a few fixes, but none of them helped |
| 19:41:00 | LinusN | Nixsos: do you have the bootloader installed?= |
| 19:41:05 | Nixsos | yeah |
| 19:41:23 | LinusN | can you tell me if it behaves differently with the remote attached? |
| 19:41:34 | LinusN | the lcd remote |
| 19:41:36 | Nixsos | i dont have the remote :( |
| 19:41:42 | Nixsos | sold it with my H140 |
| 19:41:51 | LinusN | bummer |
| 19:47:14 | markun | LinusN: are you good at decrypting? |
| 19:47:22 | LinusN | not very |
| 19:47:28 | LinusN | gigabeat? |
| 19:47:32 | markun | yes: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/FWIMG01.png |
| 19:47:59 | LinusN | wow |
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| 19:48:06 | LinusN | that's a pretty even distribution |
| 19:48:42 | LinusN | have you tried different image widths? |
| 19:51:03 | LinusN | also, do you have access to some other image files? |
| 19:51:10 | LinusN | previous updates |
| 19:51:33 | LinusN | then you might be able to see if there is some common data |
| 19:51:43 | LinusN | like a header or something |
| 19:52:09 | LinusN | you should also try to study some ARM acritecture to find some cribs |
| 19:52:30 | LinusN | the exception table is a nice crib |
| 19:52:38 | LinusN | for example |
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| 19:53:20 | LinusN | markun: still there? |
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| 19:56:50 | markun | back again |
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| 19:57:32 | wubbla | LinusN: hoi! you're there |
| 19:57:55 | markun | LinusN: thanks, I'll try you suggestions later |
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| 20:01:55 | wubbla | hmm... |
| 20:02:08 | wubbla | what about this Hold trick? |
| 20:02:38 | San | put hold on |
| 20:03:29 | wubbla | and it allows a dead-syndrome affected to boot rockbox? |
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| 20:08:37 | San | no |
| 20:08:40 | San | well..yes |
| 20:08:49 | San | put hold on, and hit the reset button twice |
| 20:08:55 | San | should work |
| 20:09:00 | San | it worked for many people |
| 20:09:56 | * | amiconn held an iPod today for the first time, and also an iAudio X5 |
| 20:10:11 | amiconn | I'm not impressed at all... |
| 20:10:16 | tucoz | hehe |
| 20:10:47 | amiconn | The iPod nano is _really_ thin, but that's about it |
| 20:11:02 | tucoz | I would like to look at a gigabeat in real life. I think those look nice |
| 20:11:25 | amiconn | All the iPods already looked scratched in the shop |
| 20:11:31 | tucoz | yes, the nano is really thin. So is the ipod video |
| 20:11:54 | San | I would love to see a H300 in real life |
| 20:11:55 | tucoz | for real? that is not very good. Imagine what they would look like after some time of use. |
| 20:11:57 | amiconn | Then this wheel thingy... it's irritating |
| 20:11:58 | San | oh, wait....I have one |
| 20:11:59 | San | :P |
| 20:12:26 | amiconn | ...and the nano screen is too small for the size of the device, imho |
| 20:12:43 | amiconn | The X5 has a "strange" (at best) form factor |
| 20:13:08 | tucoz | Isn't it quite similar to the irivers? |
| 20:13:23 | amiconn | It's thicker at the top than on the bottom |
| 20:13:43 | amiconn | ...and then it has a tiny joystick, imho on the wrong side |
| 20:13:58 | amiconn | and side buttons, like the H1x0 :( |
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| 20:14:25 | * | amiconn wants buttons, _front_ buttons |
| 20:15:16 | tucoz | I think my next player will be a gigabeat or a nano. Depending on how small the gigabeat is. I really would like to have 320x240 resolution. |
| 20:15:48 | amiconn | For what? |
| 20:16:13 | markun | tucoz: the firmware sucks, but maybe that's even better :) |
| 20:17:28 | amiconn | markun: This seems to be quite common for DAPs... :/ |
| 20:18:05 | markun | LinusN: 512x.. still gives a nice pattern. At 1024x... the pattern is shown in 2 columns, so I guess it's 512: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/001b.png |
| 20:18:21 | tucoz | amiconn: that is for all my vga needs :) |
| 20:18:43 | amiconn | I don't need a hi-res display on a dap |
| 20:19:35 | amiconn | ...and no colour either |
| 20:20:47 | tucoz | hehe, probably not me neither. But, it has a pretty nice processor and could probably be used as a gaming device as well. Then again, there are of course portable gaming devices for that. :) |
| 20:22:55 | tucoz | amiconn: you should port rockbox to a nano. No screen what so ever ;) |
| 20:23:01 | tucoz | *shuffle |
| 20:23:26 | amiconn | Could be interesting, really |
| 20:23:40 | tucoz | I read that you had practiced on some led-debugging recently. Impressive I must say. |
| 20:23:43 | amiconn | With a working voice UI... |
| 20:24:09 | tucoz | yes, rockbox on a shuffle would make it usefull. |
| 20:24:35 | amiconn | Well, the LED debugging wasn't really difficult by itself, only a little time-consuming |
| 20:24:47 | tucoz | hehe, I find stuff like that impressive |
| 20:25:06 | amiconn | I 'blinked' byte by byte, separated into 4-bit groups == 1 hex digit |
| 20:25:55 | tucoz | But, embedded development is like that from time to time. Isn't it? |
| 20:25:58 | amiconn | It doesn't take long until you are able to 'read' the number right away |
| 20:26:17 | amiconn | Like, -.-. is 0xA |
| 20:26:43 | tucoz | so - is a 1? |
| 20:28:36 | amiconn | Yes, - (long blink) is a 1, . (short blink) is a 0 |
| 20:29:04 | tucoz | And now the ucl-extractor is functional? |
| 20:29:08 | amiconn | yup |
| 20:29:40 | amiconn | Normally, you can avoid doing such low-level output with some kind of debugging support |
| 20:29:58 | amiconn | ...but in this case, the gdb stub wouldn't have helped me |
| 20:30:10 | amiconn | Linus tried it, and it worked fine |
| 20:30:52 | amiconn | The problem wasn't directly in my code, but an ooold bug in RoLo |
| 20:30:52 | tucoz | ok, great. Then were one step closer to unicode. |
| 20:31:06 | tucoz | Yes, I read the logs and the commit message |
| 20:31:09 | tucoz | Nice catch |
| 20:31:25 | amiconn | Btw, my most-wanted number was: .... -..- .... .... .... ..-. .... .... |
| 20:31:30 | tucoz | haha |
| 20:32:25 | tucoz | back to work, see you |
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| 20:34:36 | Slasheri | amiconn: hehe, that kind of led debugging is always more interesting than gdb.. in fact, i have almost never used any debuggers but direct hardware methods :) |
| 20:35:08 | amiconn | Yeah, gdb wouldn't have helped me here... |
| 20:35:32 | amiconn | Fixing the RoLo bug also fixed RoLo'ing the archos Ondio firmware |
| 20:36:37 | amiconn | It puzzled me for quite a while why this didn't work. When RoLo'ed, the firmware started, but as soon as I tried to play some music, it froze, and after a couple of seconds the unit switched itself off |
| 20:37:34 | amiconn | RoLo didn't set the stack pointer where the loaded image wanted it to be, but left it wherever it was |
| 20:38:04 | amiconn | The archos Ondio firmwares want a quite high stack pointer (although the firmware itself is smaller than rockbox) |
| 20:38:51 | * | amiconn summons [IDC]Dragon |
| 20:39:27 | amiconn | Imho we should have new flash images containing bootbox with fixed RoLo... |
| 20:41:56 | Lear | Hm... Should libfaad really include /lib/codeclib.h? That drags in a lot of stuff, causing these frequent, full, libfaad rebuilds (which doesn't use the compile rule in the makefile, btw)... |
| 20:43:18 | Lear | It seems to be done to enable the use of DEBUGF/LOGF, but I don't know if it is actually used... |
| 20:44:17 | Lear | Nope, not used that I can see. |
| 20:56:19 | PaulJ | does rockbox on h300 indicate when the battery is fully charged? |
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| 20:57:31 | wubbla | LinusN: ? |
| 20:58:13 | iobound | hi guys, i had a problem with gdb not picking up debug symbols from .rock files on the win32 sim, but i fixed it by replacing the %.rock makefile rule with the one from x11-simulator (using gcc -shared) |
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| 21:00:44 | Lear | He, most codecs are built using -O only... |
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| 21:23:45 | dropandhop | hey! |
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| 21:23:50 | dropandhop | is slasheri around |
| 21:23:58 | dropandhop | or any tick-fix experts? |
| 21:24:13 | Slasheri | hehe, hi |
| 21:25:52 | dropandhop | hey! |
| 21:26:02 | Lear | Hm.. Maybe that -O comment should be some, rather than most... :) |
| 21:26:06 | dropandhop | just wanted to draw your attention to some threads in the forum |
| 21:26:12 | dropandhop | not sure if you have followed them |
| 21:27:00 | paranoid_android | i'm just curious,can we asist the int.mic which is in h3xx series to create a voice to text -a -like program or take prepared one and port it to rockbox,if it were possible ,it would have so many uses ( change a tag,or type a text) |
| 21:27:55 | dropandhop | there is this one: Remote Ticking Poll http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1922.0 |
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| 21:28:51 | dropandhop | and at the end of this one: Remote Ticking Fix http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1872.0 |
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| 21:32:39 | miner49er | Hi there :-) I've just updated to CVS and now when rebuild I get a problem with UCLPACK. Any ideas as to why this might be happening? |
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| 21:33:05 | Lear | Devkit? |
| 21:33:19 | miner49er | I'm running Debian |
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| 21:35:34 | Slasheri | dropandhop: if you can hear clearly audible ticking from the remote, while on wps and volume is turned to 0, that is the hardware problem |
| 21:36:26 | dropandhop | slasheri- i understand |
| 21:36:38 | dropandhop | but it seems that there is something else underlying |
| 21:37:45 | Slasheri | it might seem like that, but rockbox can't itself cause that ticking. By default it just communicates faster with the remote lcd and that makes the ticking more audible than it is with iriver fw |
| 21:38:28 | Slasheri | it's not possible to fix the issue completely by software without some compromises |
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| 21:41:35 | dropandhop | ahh |
| 21:41:37 | dropandhop | gotcha |
| 21:41:43 | dropandhop | so my question for you is |
| 21:42:04 | dropandhop | anyway you can make your great patch more efficient |
| 21:42:12 | dropandhop | (not chew up so much cpu) |
| 21:42:21 | Slasheri | yes, that is possible to do |
| 21:42:30 | dropandhop | thats great |
| 21:42:38 | dropandhop | as it seems that there are more and more people that need this fix |
| 21:42:47 | Slasheri | However, it would require double frame buffering and would cause lcd update speed to be much slower |
| 21:42:49 | dropandhop | and there is question about straining the battery life with the cpu |
| 21:43:16 | dropandhop | got it....is it faster than iriver fw at the moment? |
| 21:43:50 | Slasheri | yes. But with ticking fix enabled, it's not so fast |
| 21:44:11 | Slasheri | Another way would be to use timer interrupt to drive the lcd, but we don't have any free timers for that :/ |
| 21:44:35 | Slasheri | cpu has only two timers and those are used by the threading itself and lcd dimming |
| 21:45:14 | amiconn | The threading doesn't use the timer |
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| 21:45:31 | amiconn | The kernel does, for the tick value and the tick functions |
| 21:46:05 | amiconn | I don't think that it would help performance if we double buffer |
| 21:46:08 | Slasheri | amiconn: oh.. i just again forget our system is non pre-emptive :) |
| 21:46:17 | Slasheri | so it could be possible to steal that kernel timer.. |
| 21:46:21 | Slasheri | or make it faster |
| 21:46:23 | amiconn | How should that help? |
| 21:46:26 | dropandhop | hmmmm |
| 21:46:30 | dropandhop | trickey |
| 21:46:47 | Slasheri | amiconn: yield() is too long, but with timer that wouldn't be a problem |
| 21:46:48 | amiconn | In order to keep up, the timer would need to run _really_ fast |
| 21:46:54 | Slasheri | yes.. |
| 21:47:10 | Slasheri | as it does with the backlight dimming already |
| 21:47:12 | amiconn | ...and then all the context saves/loads will most likely eat more CPU |
| 21:47:31 | amiconn | The backlight dimming is slow compared to the remote LCD transfer |
| 21:47:38 | amiconn | I mean _S_L_O_W_ |
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| 21:50:42 | Jamjam | anyone around? |
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| 21:56:42 | Slasheri | dropandhop: Hmm.. i could try to implement a better solution for the ticking fix when i have time. Ticking is annoying indeed.. But the solution will be a compromise |
| 21:56:46 | Slasheri | now sleep -> |
| 21:56:47 | amiconn | Slasheri: The original delay loop is 12 cpu cycles, the ticking fix extends this to 126 cycles at 45 MHz resp. 354 cycles at 124 MHz |
| 21:57:02 | amiconn | Now tell me how to handle this with an ISR |
| 21:57:16 | Slasheri | amiconn: Ah, that's quite fast still |
| 21:57:27 | Slasheri | we could transfer several bytes at time.. |
| 21:57:28 | amiconn | Save all registers, clock out the bit, restore all registers |
| 21:57:30 | Slasheri | but not too much |
| 21:57:39 | amiconn | Then it would still tick I think |
| 21:57:42 | Slasheri | not just one bit :) |
| 21:57:54 | Slasheri | no, if we limit the rate carefully |
| 21:58:07 | Slasheri | but that will be hard indeed.. |
| 21:58:19 | amiconn | Even though it's quite fast, it's already too slow for some oggs to play properly |
| 21:58:49 | amiconn | I think it might help if we make the intervals between 2 bits pseudo-random |
| 21:58:57 | amiconn | ...but that's to be tested |
| 21:59:24 | Slasheri | hmm, maybe. Unfortunately it seems that the clk pulse causes the most ticking |
| 21:59:51 | amiconn | That's not important... |
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| 22:00:11 | Slasheri | i tried separately output data to clk and data lines, and both will cause ticking.. but clk is much louder |
| 22:00:14 | amiconn | I mean, the interval between each two bit changes on the lcd lines should be made pseudo-random |
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| 22:00:53 | Slasheri | hmm, true. That could reduce the problem |
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| 22:01:01 | amiconn | ...perhaps doing the clk and data change in quick succession _only if_ they change in the opposite direction |
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| 22:01:28 | dropandhop | im not as good as you guys...but does it help to observe how iriver fw does it? |
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| 22:02:00 | amiconn | That would be a nice little state machine |
| 22:02:04 | San | hey |
| 22:02:10 | San | what does chip-8 do? |
| 22:02:33 | Slasheri | but cu tomorrow, really have to go now :/ -> |
| 22:03:47 | Jamjam | its a game emulator type thing |
| 22:03:53 | Jamjam | look it up in the wiki |
| 22:03:59 | dropandhop | slasheri - thanks sooo much for thinking about this! |
| 22:04:04 | dropandhop | this is suuuch a huge thing! |
| 22:04:26 | Jamjam | ooh, what was it? i did see the start of that |
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| 22:06:32 | miner49er | someone mentioned being able to play music through the simulator a while ago - is that still possible? |
| 22:06:50 | iobound | it seems my dumb plugin manages to load files fine but it goes into an infinite loop just afterwards in some resampling method |
| 22:07:10 | iobound | miner49er: mp3 files play fine in the win32 simulator for me |
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| 22:16:35 | wubbla | wow |
| 22:16:44 | wubbla | rockbox booted on my h320! |
| 22:17:31 | wubbla | thanks to Matthias Pesch's guide on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot |
| 22:21:04 | lostlogic | Does anyone know of a simple console tremor audio player? |
| 22:21:50 | Lear | Tremor, no, vorbis, yes... |
| 22:22:15 | lostlogic | want a way other than the rockbox simulator to profile tremor, so it has to be tremor |
| 22:22:29 | Lear | You're not the first. :) |
| 22:22:51 | Lear | But tremor includes a simple decoder example, which is good enough (for decoding to a file at least). |
| 22:23:21 | Lear | But modifying ogg123 to use tremor rather than libvorbis/libogg should be fairly easy... |
| 22:23:35 | lostlogic | was hoping not to have to figure out how to do that. |
| 22:24:04 | Lear | Use the decoder example then, good enough for the purpose, and need little or no changes. |
| 22:24:17 | lostlogic | tanks! |
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| 22:47:48 | iobound | aaargh, the simulator doesn't support pcm_play_data ? :( |
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| 22:57:47 | iobound | if my plugin enters an infinite loop, is there an easy way to abort? (h300)? |
| 22:58:05 | iobound | do i have to insert a pin in the "reset" thingy |
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| 23:00:46 | Rick | iobound: yeah, that's about the only way I think |
| 23:00:56 | * | Rick has done that before too (: |
| 23:01:01 | iobound | ok |
| 23:01:23 | iobound | i got as far as i could on the simulator with a libdumb plugin but since it doesn't support pcm_*() i guess i have to hit real hardware now |
| 23:01:43 | Rick | ah |
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| 23:01:54 | Bagder | or fix the sim ;-) |
| 23:02:55 | iobound | ok, uh.. when i build for m68k, i get linking errors, complaining about missing "memset", "memcpy".. do i have to #define memset myplugin_memset and implement it as "rb->memset()", or is there an easier way? |
| 23:03:20 | iobound | i guess the simulator just linked with msvcrt silently :( |
| 23:03:51 | Bagder | well, the equivalent of "msvcrt" anyway |
| 23:03:59 | Moos | Hello Bagder, did you got a bit of time for the makefile thing for unicode? |
| 23:04:17 | Bagder | you mean for the compress thing |
| 23:04:22 | iobound | actually i'm pretty sure its msvcrt, when i load "dumb.rock" in dependencywalker, it actually shows msvcrt imports in use |
| 23:04:28 | Moos | Bagder: yes :) |
| 23:04:39 | Bagder | nope, not yet |
| 23:04:49 | Moos | ok |
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| 23:05:34 | iobound | dammit, i need to implement pow(), floor() and exp() too. apparently there's some floating point code in libdumb. |
| 23:05:45 | Bagder | ! |
| 23:06:01 | iobound | is it worth the effort? gcc didn't complain, did it assemble for an FPU? will it crash when running on the h300? |
| 23:06:33 | iobound | someone mentioned (very slow) fpu emulation was available in gcc here earlier, anyone know anything more about that? |
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| 23:07:36 | Bagder | that's what you get |
| 23:07:57 | Bagder | when using float/double |
| 23:08:07 | iobound | oh ok, so it automatically assembled it for emulation? |
| 23:08:17 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:08:24 | iobound | ok |
| 23:08:46 | iobound | does anyone know of any free pow() implementations i could use :) |
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| 23:12:06 | solexx_ | I think the latest daily build introduced a bug |
| 23:12:39 | solexx_ | I have some low bitrate mono mp3 files |
| 23:13:17 | solexx_ | and the right channel is very, very quiet |
| 23:13:41 | solexx_ | it's almost inaudible |
| 23:13:43 | amiconn | Bagder: I was fiddling with a perl script to convert the .ucl file to source |
| 23:13:54 | solexx_ | other files play fine |
| 23:13:59 | amiconn | It actually works :) but now I've got a different problem... |
| 23:14:16 | amiconn | solexx_: That's probably caused by the changes in the resampler |
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| 23:14:18 | amiconn | preglow? |
| 23:14:54 | solexx_ | amiconn: who is Thom? |
| 23:15:15 | Bagder | preglow is thom |
| 23:15:29 | solexx_ | thx |
| 23:15:37 | amiconn | I can't use sizeof() on a char[] array which is defined in another source file... |
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| 23:16:27 | Bagder | amiconn: nope, but since you did it with perl you can probably just create a define for the size, can't you? |
| 23:16:45 | amiconn | Hmm, you mean in a .h file? |
| 23:17:03 | Bagder | well, anyway you want |
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| 23:39:03 | iobound | it seems my gcc compiles "dst->resampler = src->resampler;" to use memcpy(), and then ld fails because there's no "memcpy()" in rbx (?). any hints? |
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| 23:39:35 | iobound | maybe -ffreestanding helps? |
| 23:39:54 | Bagder | what are you doing? |
| 23:40:30 | iobound | i'm trying to write a plugin for playing .s3m and .xm files with libdumb |
| 23:40:37 | * | preglow is back |
| 23:40:42 | preglow | amiconn: what? |
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| 23:41:13 | amiconn | preglow: Read back at ~23:12 |
| 23:41:19 | amiconn | Perhaps a resampler issue? |
| 23:41:22 | Bagder | iobound: but don't the plugins get built with options like that? |
| 23:41:59 | iobound | i don't know? maybe? |
| 23:42:13 | Bagder | so again, what are you doing? |
| 23:42:27 | iobound | trying to link libdumb with my "dumb.c" into dumb.rock for m68k |
| 23:42:31 | Bagder | you build plain rockbox with your own plugin? |
| 23:42:41 | iobound | more or less, yes |
| 23:42:56 | Bagder | then it uses -ffreestanding already |
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| 23:43:51 | Bagder | but I guess 'dumb' isn't built with it |
| 23:44:03 | Jungti1234 | good morning |
| 23:44:07 | iobound | i'm checking by removing the "@" in dumb's makefile |
| 23:44:17 | preglow | amiconn: could i have the file in question? |
| 23:44:31 | preglow | no wiat |
| 23:44:35 | preglow | i have a mono file |
| 23:44:44 | amiconn | ask solexx_ |
| 23:44:45 | iobound | badger, actually, it DOES use -ffreestanding, but it still fails at link time because it wants to use memcpy() for that struct assignment |
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| 23:45:13 | Bagder | I just doubt that is the single place in whole rockbox that does that |
| 23:45:30 | preglow | my mono files sounds just fine |
| 23:45:32 | amiconn | You are right |
| 23:45:45 | iobound | if you want I can paste parts of the "make all" output |
| 23:45:48 | amiconn | Some places had that problem too, e.g. the jpeg viewer |
| 23:45:54 | preglow | ouch |
| 23:45:57 | preglow | not with resampling |
| 23:46:01 | preglow | i've broken mono resampling, it seems |
| 23:46:19 | Bagder | amiconn: and it didn't work? |
| 23:46:44 | amiconn | Just replace the operationm in question with an explicit rb->memcpy() |
| 23:46:56 | iobound | yeah unfortunately i don't have any "rb" in the scope.. |
| 23:47:01 | Bagder | right, that's probably the easiest route |
| 23:47:14 | amiconn | The real problem is that gcc requires even freestanding targets to provide 4 functions |
| 23:47:16 | iobound | actually i remember reading something about this somewhere, there's an additional gcc option which should fix it |
| 23:47:28 | amiconn | memcpy(), memmove(), memset() and memchr() |
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| 23:48:06 | amiconn | ...but rockbox doesn't do so |
| 23:48:12 | amiconn | ...except for the core |
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| 23:53:32 | amiconn | Bagder: Hmm, now I have the problem to add a proper dependency |
| 23:54:03 | amiconn | ...to make sure the perl script gets executed and the .h file generated before trying to compile thedecompressor.c |
| 23:54:15 | amiconn | *decompressor.c |
| 23:54:34 | Bagder | make sure decompressor.c depends on the .h file |
| 23:54:48 | amiconn | Hmm, but how? |
| 23:54:58 | amiconn | decompressor.c doesn't occur in the makefile |
| 23:55:11 | Bagder | you need to add it |
| 23:55:18 | amiconn | Hmm :/ |
| 23:55:34 | amiconn | And what about the .h file? |
| 23:55:47 | amiconn | In fact this is similar to lang.c / lang.h |
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| 23:55:56 | preglow | markun: didn't the gigabeat upgrade file also contain an unencrypted updater? |
| 23:55:59 | amiconn | so if I would understand how this works... |
| 23:56:33 | Bagder | amiconn: in the lang case, the object file is made to depend on the lang file and the genlang script |
| 23:56:44 | Bagder | the lang.o object file |
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| 23:57:07 | amiconn | Yeah.. but what about the source files that depend on lang.h ? |
| 23:57:58 | Bagder | that is taken care of by the automatic dependency "generator" |
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