| 00:00:08 | iobound | even better, replace step #2 with an announcement of INTENTION to port. sell, then forget about it all |
| 00:00:09 | iobound | easy money |
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| 00:04:46 | Dima202 | hmm.. Strange my archos isn't mounting to computer |
| 00:05:16 | Dima202 | I see that it's detected |
| 00:05:21 | Dima202 | Just doesn't mount it |
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| 00:11:52 | Dima202 | weird |
| 00:12:13 | Dima202 | And the radio doesn't get any signal!! :( |
| 00:12:53 | Dima202 | ARCHOS USB2.0 (P4a): |
| 00:12:53 | Dima202 | Version:11.01 |
| 00:12:53 | Dima202 | Bus Power (mA):500 |
| 00:12:53 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Dima202 |
| 00:12:53 | Dima202 | Speed:Up to 480 Mb/sec |
| 00:12:53 | Dima202 | Manufacturer:ARCHOS |
| 00:12:54 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 00:12:54 | Dima202 | Product ID:0x0060 |
| 00:12:56 | Dima202 | Serial Number:wwww.archos.comA |
| 00:12:58 | Dima202 | Vendor ID:0x05ab |
| 00:13:06 | Dima202 | Here is the info I get, is it possible to mount it manually? |
| 00:17:05 | Bagder | windows I presume? |
| 00:18:03 | Dima202 | Mac |
| 00:18:10 | petur | windows users don't talk about mounting ;) |
| 00:18:11 | Bagder | oh |
| 00:18:22 | petur | they just plug and pray |
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| 00:18:30 | Bagder | petur: true, but linux users would know how to mount ;-) |
| 00:18:36 | Dima202 | Yeah.. But right now. I see it but it doesnt auto mount |
| 00:19:01 | Dima202 | I used to be a linux user long ago. Until I became lazy, sat down on a mac and it did everything for me |
| 00:19:02 | Dima202 | :) |
| 00:19:08 | Bagder | I know *zip* about mac and USB mounting |
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| 00:19:45 | JdGordon | Dima202: u cant mount it as a regulas mas storage device? |
| 00:20:08 | Dima202 | It doesn't automount |
| 00:20:13 | Dima202 | How do I mount it? |
| 00:20:24 | JdGordon | something like mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/archos -t auto |
| 00:20:24 | Dima202 | mount .... |
| 00:20:26 | Dima202 | heh |
| 00:20:39 | JdGordon | thats for linux, i dunno bout mac |
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| 00:21:49 | Dima202 | Same thing, almost |
| 00:21:52 | Dima202 | But no sda1 |
| 00:21:53 | Dima202 | :) |
| 00:21:56 | Dima202 | :( |
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| 00:22:12 | Dima202 | Damn it |
| 00:22:15 | JdGordon | so where did it put it in the /dev folder? |
| 00:22:18 | Dima202 | She looks hot |
| 00:22:28 | Dima202 | hmm |
| 00:22:55 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 00:23:21 | Dima202 | Is it possible that I put it somehow in recharge mode? |
| 00:23:30 | Dima202 | because the jukebox is charging |
| 00:23:36 | Dima202 | But I can;t mount it |
| 00:23:42 | Dima202 | Maybe there is some kind of key sequence eh? |
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| 00:25:51 | JdGordon | Dima202 goto /dev and c whats there |
| 00:26:02 | Dima202 | I went to /dev/ bunch of em there |
| 00:26:16 | JdGordon | any sda ? |
| 00:26:33 | Dima202 | instead of sda we have disk rdisk |
| 00:26:36 | Dima202 | I think |
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| 00:27:13 | JdGordon | ok,, well try mounting them all indiivudally untill 1 works? |
| 00:27:26 | JdGordon | mount /dev/rdiskX /mnt/archos |
| 00:27:31 | Dima202 | there is 292 possibilities!! :( |
| 00:27:33 | JdGordon | make sure /mnt/archos exists |
| 00:27:52 | Dima202 | How do I see what is already mounted? |
| 00:27:56 | Dima202 | I forgot everythign :( |
| 00:27:57 | JdGordon | type mount |
| 00:28:15 | Dima202 | <volfs> on /.vol |
| 00:28:15 | Dima202 | automount -nsl [160] on /Network (automounted) |
| 00:28:15 | Dima202 | automount -fstab [179] on /automount/Servers (automounted) |
| 00:28:15 | Dima202 | automount -static [179] on /automount/static (automounted) |
| 00:28:15 | Dima202 | apple-s-powerbook-g4-17:~ dimatech$ |
| 00:28:35 | Dima202 | /dev/disk0s3 on / (local, journaled) |
| 00:28:35 | Dima202 | devfs on /dev (local) |
| 00:28:35 | Dima202 | fdesc on /dev (union) |
| 00:28:43 | Dima202 | okay so HDD is disk0s3 |
| 00:28:50 | JdGordon | ye |
| 00:29:05 | JdGordon | just figure out how osx loads the us disks |
| 00:29:13 | JdGordon | and your all set... i gtg |
| 00:29:16 | JdGordon | gluck |
| 00:29:23 | Dima202 | thanks |
| 00:29:56 | Bagder | there's probably a /etc/fstab or similar |
| 00:30:19 | Bagder | that contains the info used to mount it in normal cases |
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| 00:44:48 | |Bger| | moe |
| 00:44:52 | |Bger| | s/moe/nite |
| 00:44:53 | |Bger| | :) |
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| 00:49:52 | aliask | Night |
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| 01:04:59 | chiller | ops |
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| 01:17:18 | JonSenior | Hmm, getting my head around the disassembled code will have to wait until the weekend I think! Need some sleep now! |
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| 01:26:28 | andy | LinusN: think i have located one nasty bug in recording.. backlight fading (which uses cpu_boost) seams to cause dma transfer to fail.. so one workaround is to run recording with boost.. |
| 01:26:44 | LinusN | interesting |
| 01:27:13 | LinusN | or disable that silly fading |
| 01:27:30 | andy | yep |
| 01:27:42 | Soul-E | so any idea on whether the new us firmware will be patchable |
| 01:28:44 | LinusN | i suspect it will be tough |
| 01:30:18 | LinusN | if they care about drm, they have probably added an extra checksum to prevent tampering |
| 01:32:49 | Soul-E | possible. |
| 01:35:11 | andy | LinusN: yes, cpu_boost(false) while dma is in progress causes it to fail |
| 01:37:01 | andy | going to check in my changes (adds peakmeter and a few bug fixes) |
| 01:38:29 | andy | LinusN: btw, in apps/recording/recording.c upon exit, peak_meter_enabled is set to false, and is it not enabled in wps screen.. is a proper fix to remove it or enable it in wps? |
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| 01:42:24 | LinusN | andy: not sure actually, i think so |
| 01:46:49 | JdGordon | hey LinusN |
| 01:46:59 | LinusN | yo |
| 01:46:59 | JdGordon | good news :D i can load a colour bmp |
| 01:47:12 | LinusN | wee |
| 01:47:20 | Rob2222 | ^^ :) |
| 01:47:23 | JdGordon | well... maybe i left out a bit... |
| 01:47:24 | Rob2222 | good evening |
| 01:47:40 | JdGordon | it loads as mostly black with a bit of garbled colour :D |
| 01:47:47 | LinusN | haha |
| 01:48:00 | JdGordon | ill hopefully fix it today, otherwise ill just send some1 the code to finish |
| 01:48:12 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 01:48:12 | * | JdGordon is going overseas for 6 weeks on monday |
| 01:48:31 | LinusN | oh |
| 01:48:39 | Soul-E | cool Jd |
| 01:48:44 | Rob2222 | LinusN: Any news at the H300 boot bug? |
| 01:48:51 | LinusN | not really |
| 01:49:05 | markun | LinusN: do you know of a more intelligent ARM disassembler for linux than objdump? |
| 01:49:13 | LinusN | no |
| 01:49:34 | Soul-E | wait. Rbx loads the bootlogo in color perfectly, but we can't load BMPs properly? |
| 01:50:01 | JdGordon | the rb logo is hardcoded colour |
| 01:52:27 | Rob2222 | well, to late here, i will go to bed. good night all |
| 01:53:09 | JdGordon | http://users.monash.edu.au/~jdgor1/rb/dump_0005.bmp |
| 01:54:04 | JdGordon | doesnt that look cool :D |
| 01:57:19 | LinusN | :-) |
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| 01:59:44 | JdGordon | hmm.... whats the easiest way to debug it? the sim isnt very helpful... |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:19 | LinusN | either fix the sim, or run it on the target |
| 02:00:49 | JdGordon | no, i mean it works prob as it should on the sim.. but its not easy to debug.. |
| 02:01:07 | LinusN | i on't get it |
| 02:01:12 | JdGordon | ok dw |
| 02:01:29 | LinusN | you can use a debugger in the sim |
| 02:02:14 | JdGordon | how? or u mean the debug widonw and DEBUGF? |
| 02:02:40 | LinusN | gdb |
| 02:02:46 | JdGordon | k |
| 02:02:48 | Soul-E | can you run regular firmware in the sim or just rbx |
| 02:02:59 | XavierGr | Linus: Did you hear the news with the new H100 firmware LOL. They say that they fixed the recording glitch. |
| 02:03:08 | LinusN | saw that |
| 02:03:30 | LinusN | Soul-E: the sim is just rockbox, modified to run on the pc |
| 02:03:41 | XavierGr | This is hilarious. Some freelancer programers that had no documentation made gltchless recording before the official company haha. |
| 02:04:09 | XavierGr | (no documentation = got the documentation after a search) |
| 02:10:29 | LinusN | andy: static volatile bool? |
| 02:13:02 | andy | LinusN: yeah, so the compiler doesn't optimize the variable to a register.. might be unnecessary? |
| 02:15:05 | XavierGr | Linus: Do you think that upon saving a fmr preset list that settings should be updated with the saved file. (That is also strange behavioud in cfg file) |
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| 02:15:57 | LinusN | since the variable is global, the compiler shouldn't optimize it anyway, since we call a function in the loop, which may very well change the variable |
| 02:16:57 | LinusN | XavierGr: "should be updated"? You mean it should use the newly saved file? |
| 02:17:21 | XavierGr | Use it in the next load of the radio screen, yes. |
| 02:17:30 | whatboutbob | <conspiracy conjecture> glitchless recording on iriver has been released suspiciously close to Rockbox getting the job done (thanks Andy). Anyone think the iriver developers have been having a peek at rockbox code?</conspiracy conjecture> :) |
| 02:18:07 | LinusN | i'm sure they know about rockbox |
| 02:18:17 | andy | LinusN: true.. i added volatile in a desperate hunt for a bug =) |
| 02:18:21 | JdGordon | does the rb firwmare have to be named rockbox.iriver to load? (i mean to load another fw after boot) |
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| 02:18:50 | LinusN | JdGordon: the bootloader only looks for rockbox.iriver |
| 02:19:08 | LinusN | but you can manually load any file that ends with .iriver |
| 02:19:13 | andy | whatboutbob: hehe.. but how come they only can buffer for 30 seconds when recording WAV and rockbox can buffer for almost 3 minutes ? :) |
| 02:19:25 | JdGordon | ok, thanx |
| 02:20:56 | XavierGr | Linus: E.g. The user starts radio. Then he creates a new fmr and then saves it. Currently (as in cfg file) if the user exits and the start the radio again the previous file wil load instead of the saved one. (If the user wants to load the saved one, he must load it manually from the radio menu.) Do you think that settings must be updated with that new file on save? |
| 02:21:55 | LinusN | XavierGr: cfg files are never remembered |
| 02:22:36 | LinusN | never ever |
| 02:22:43 | whatboutbob | andy: hehe...yeah...i don't think i'm gonna be getting 15 hours recording time from 1 battery charge with the iriver fw any time soon. :) |
| 02:23:06 | XavierGr | erm then I remember wrong. Anyway do you want to remember then new file upon save? |
| 02:23:39 | JdGordon | hmm.. the sim runs faster than the actual player doesnt it? |
| 02:23:56 | LinusN | XavierGr: no i don't think so |
| 02:24:22 | LinusN | JdGordon: yes, the cpu is often a lot faster |
| 02:24:40 | JdGordon | hmm ok, this bmp loading may not be feasible then |
| 02:24:42 | LinusN | but the tick should be roughly the same |
| 02:24:46 | andy | whatboutbob: 15 hours? what kind of battery do you have? 2200 mA? |
| 02:32:12 | whatboutbob | andy: yup. 2200mAh. 2gb split has worked fine for me a bunch of times btw. |
| 02:35:05 | andy | ok.. time to sleep now.. |
| 02:35:21 | andy | hope my commit will be green |
| 02:35:22 | andy | :D |
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| 02:35:54 | JdGordon | hmm... bmp loading seems to freeze up my h300 |
| 02:38:21 | LinusN | ouch |
| 02:39:26 | JdGordon | the hdd makes a whiney noise but it just sits at the blue screen |
| 02:43:24 | LinusN | time for me to sleep |
| 02:43:45 | XavierGr | ok buy Linus! |
| 02:43:46 | JdGordon | gnite |
| 02:43:49 | XavierGr | I mean bye |
| 02:43:50 | LinusN | nite |
| 02:43:52 | XavierGr | and good night |
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| 02:46:36 | drumRBoy320 | im really sorry im asking this, but while im here i might as well... is RB 1.29 compatable? |
| 02:46:52 | JdGordon | not yet |
| 02:46:59 | drumRBoy320 | ok, thank you |
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| 03:17:41 | JdGordon | how long is 781 ticks on the player? relativly really long? |
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| 03:26:50 | RotAtoR | i believe ticks are at 100Hz on all models |
| 03:26:54 | RotAtoR | so almost 8 seconds |
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| 04:12:12 | XavierGr | why does the peak meter works only when recording? |
| 04:12:52 | XavierGr | I think it is more usable if the peak meter works on the idle record screen. |
| 04:16:32 | Soul-E | so someone tell me about this sim and how to use it. |
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| 04:20:33 | XavierGr | can you compile the code? |
| 04:22:55 | Soul-E | what kind of code is it |
| 04:23:46 | XavierGr | the source of rockbox can you compile it? C |
| 04:25:33 | XavierGr | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 04:25:40 | XavierGr | if you dont know how to compile |
| 04:25:48 | XavierGr | then you should be ready to use the sim/ |
| 04:26:06 | Soul-E | I have MSVC++ 6 I know how to compile |
| 04:26:30 | XavierGr | Haha forget the Visual Studio |
| 04:26:33 | Soul-E | where do i get the sim tho |
| 04:26:35 | XavierGr | you need Cygwin |
| 04:26:44 | XavierGr | code compiles only under Linux |
| 04:26:49 | Soul-E | shite |
| 04:26:58 | Soul-E | dammit why cant someone just link a compiled one |
| 04:27:00 | XavierGr | (and with cygwin under Windows) |
| 04:27:16 | XavierGr | I can give you one but not the latest. |
| 04:28:11 | XavierGr | ok I can give the latest too. |
| 04:28:21 | Soul-E | that works |
| 04:28:43 | XavierGr | it will be without sound though |
| 04:30:13 | XavierGr | H100 or H300? |
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| 04:49:15 | DarkShadow_ | Hello! |
| 04:49:54 | Soul-E | h300 |
| 04:49:59 | Soul-E | sorry i was afk temporarily |
| 04:50:30 | DarkShadow_ | That's alright. |
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| 05:13:16 | DarkShadow_ | Has there been much testing of FM recording on the rockbox firmware for the H1X0? |
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| 05:21:56 | toolmanwill | @DarkShadow : I have done some testing with recording. Got more to do now that peakmeters are working |
| 05:22:30 | toolmanwill | I've been taping things from the radio for a few weeks now |
| 05:23:12 | toolmanwill | it all works real well now, and the peakmeter is the finishing touch |
| 05:23:59 | pengo | cool |
| 05:24:22 | pengo | someone said it would get interference? |
| 05:24:27 | toolmanwill | nope |
| 05:24:33 | toolmanwill | not thats ive seen |
| 05:24:34 | pengo | cool |
| 05:25:20 | toolmanwill | i use 12 db level setting , 15 db will clip here and there |
| 05:25:36 | pengo | i haven't tried myself |
| 05:26:06 | toolmanwill | i was bored at work last friday and tested each setting, heh |
| 05:27:24 | JdGordon | is there a way to find out if the backlight is on or off? |
| 05:29:19 | toolmanwill | usually if you look at the screen and its lit, its on , hahaha |
| 05:29:30 | JdGordon | HA HA.. thanx.. i mean int he code |
| 05:29:37 | toolmanwill | idk |
| 05:29:47 | JdGordon | the pressing a button and it turning the light on and doing the action is pissing me off |
| 05:29:58 | toolmanwill | ahh |
| 05:33:04 | DarkShadow_ | Can you record radio now? |
| 05:33:42 | toolmanwill | yes |
| 05:34:04 | toolmanwill | its been available since radio was enabled |
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| 05:34:18 | toolmanwill | just recording was in debug menu then |
| 05:35:07 | toolmanwill | turn on radio then press a-b button andf choose recording, thhen recording screen, press record |
| 05:35:33 | DarkShadow_ | Woohoo! |
| 05:35:35 | toolmanwill | making sure your source in recording settings is line |
| 05:35:36 | DarkShadow_ | ;) |
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| 05:37:22 | DarkShadow_ | ...I think I'll go try it now. |
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| 05:40:21 | Hooligan | Hmm...This is interesting |
| 05:40:40 | Hooligan | I sent in my H320 for repair two weeks ago |
| 05:41:31 | Hooligan | I just got it back, and when I looked on the HDD, there is a file titled H300_Drmkey.hex 2,902,553 b |
| 05:42:04 | Hooligan | And I don't think I'm making a wild guess in thinking that this could be a clue as to how DRM-protected music playback works |
| 05:42:36 | DarkShadow_ | Hm. |
| 05:42:48 | Hooligan | Any thoughts as to what I should do with this? |
| 05:43:17 | Hooligan | I have a second H320, with Korean firmware. I could try flashing it with these two to see if it restores DRM playback just to confirm |
| 05:43:20 | XavierGr | keep it safe until a dev or someone that knows these stuff learns about it. |
| 05:43:37 | Hooligan | Yes, yes. I'll keep several copies of both files of course. |
| 05:44:08 | Soul-E | Hooligan copy the files for sure |
| 05:44:17 | Hooligan | I'm backing it up on CD as we speak :) |
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| 05:44:27 | Soul-E | Send one to andrewmel at MR |
| 05:44:32 | Soul-E | is it a large file? |
| 05:44:55 | Hooligan | It's about 2.76 MB |
| 05:45:00 | ashridah | i'm not sure the devs will be interested, they prefer official releases. |
| 05:45:00 | Hooligan | Slightly larger than the firmware |
| 05:45:13 | Hooligan | ashridah: That's what I was thinking |
| 05:45:18 | ashridah | Hooligan: are you sure it's not the unofficial 1.03 firmware? |
| 05:45:30 | XavierGr | hmm the peak meter doesn't work right with line in recording. |
| 05:45:43 | Hooligan | Well, as I said these two files were on it when I got it back |
| 05:45:43 | XavierGr | it will either clip or show nothing. |
| 05:45:59 | Hooligan | I'm gonna try flashing them both to an H320 with 1.28k to make sure it works |
| 05:46:20 | Hooligan | But if the U.S. firmware doesn't detect a DRM key it will give a warning to that effect, right? |
| 05:46:46 | XavierGr | haha imagine if it is a very top scret file that will enable decoding of drm music. (very doubtable thoug) |
| 05:47:10 | Hooligan | Doubtful. But the thought is immensely entertaining |
| 05:47:40 | Hooligan | So it'll give me a warning if there's no DRM key right? |
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| 05:48:21 | * | Hooligan coughs |
| 05:48:41 | Hooligan | So yeah, let me try flashing without H300_Drmkey.hex, and then with it. |
| 05:49:17 | Hooligan | I think my chances of bricking it are fairly low at least |
| 05:49:29 | XavierGr | are you sure it is safe to flash this? |
| 05:49:54 | XavierGr | is is the same size with a normal firmware file? (up or down) |
| 05:50:55 | Hooligan | The firmware is 2,897,936 b and the H300_Drmkey.hex is 2,902,553 |
| 05:51:34 | Hooligan | But since both files were on there, I think it's possible that when you flash with H300.hex, it will search for H300_drmkey.hex |
| 05:51:41 | Hooligan | Just a guess, but I plan to test the theory. |
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| 05:52:09 | Hooligan | Either way, I can't pass up the chance to test this. So wish me luck ;) |
| 05:52:29 | DarkShadow_ | I wish you luck! |
| 05:52:31 | DarkShadow_ | ;) |
| 05:52:49 | Hooligan | Hope I don't need it. |
| 05:53:13 | toolmanwill | @ XavierGr : Which machine, 100 or 300? |
| 05:53:20 | ehntoo | hi everyone. |
| 05:53:27 | toolmanwill | for peakmeter that is |
| 05:54:00 | ehntoo | something I just noticed: monkey's audio has been open sourced |
| 05:54:25 | XavierGr | H100 |
| 05:54:39 | ashridah | monkey's audio? |
| 05:54:48 | toolmanwill | wried, from radio or mics? |
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| 05:54:52 | toolmanwill | oops weird |
| 05:54:57 | Hooligan | Test 1: Flashing with the H300.hex I found on the player, without H300_Drmkey.hex on the drive. |
| 05:54:58 | ehntoo | ashridah, yeah, ".ape" |
| 05:55:09 | ehntoo | it's a lossless format |
| 05:55:10 | Hooligan | Result: 1.03 US, "DRM key not found" error. |
| 05:55:32 | XavierGr | line in, that is radio or ext-microphone (I haven't test a line source though yet) |
| 05:55:42 | ashridah | ehntoo: aah. |
| 05:55:57 | toolmanwill | i tested with radio and it worked ok |
| 05:56:17 | toolmanwill | didnt plug my box and cards in for a line test yet |
| 05:56:26 | XavierGr | well I couldn't get mid range values |
| 05:56:36 | ehntoo | hrm. |
| 05:56:38 | XavierGr | only a clip or nothing. |
| 05:56:58 | ehntoo | or not. just the sdk is opened. |
| 05:57:00 | XavierGr | when music is somewhat loud it will show full bar if not it will show nothing |
| 05:57:42 | ashridah | ehntoo: it might be open but still unusuable for us, due to licensing, of course. |
| 05:57:54 | toolmanwill | mines working right now |
| 05:57:55 | ashridah | it has to be GPL compatible at least, if not completely GPL'ed. |
| 05:58:06 | toolmanwill | did your use bleeding build? |
| 05:58:31 | XavierGr | also I can't get the peak meter work on idle mode (while not recording) |
| 05:58:33 | Kyl3 | cygwin wont do anything because it cant find m86k-elf-gcc lol |
| 05:58:38 | XavierGr | yes |
| 05:58:42 | toolmanwill | it doesnt |
| 05:58:51 | ehntoo | ashridah: http://www.monkeysaudio.com/developers.html |
| 05:58:57 | ehntoo | I'll let you figure it out by yourself. |
| 05:58:57 | toolmanwill | only works while recording |
| 05:59:04 | ehntoo | it's late and I don't have any coffee. |
| 05:59:14 | DarkShadow_ | Oh noes! |
| 05:59:21 | XavierGr | Thought about that, but why only recording? |
| 05:59:44 | toolmanwill | prolly needs more code to call it while in idle |
| 05:59:46 | Kyl3 | is there a way i can get m86k-elf-gcc for cygwin? |
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| 06:00:06 | toolmanwill | from what i seen in changes its when recording is true |
| 06:00:18 | JdGordon | grr... i hate this fucking code |
| 06:00:32 | XavierGr | toolmanwill: your gain settings are both to 0dB right? |
| 06:00:38 | Hooligan | Okay, now I'm gonna flash with just H300_Drmkey.hex. Let's see if it works... |
| 06:00:40 | JdGordon | stupid fucking "undefined reference to blaa..." LOOK IN THE .H FILE U STUPID COMPILER!!! |
| 06:00:43 | * | Hooligan crosses his fingers |
| 06:00:55 | toolmanwill | i'm at 12 db gain |
| 06:01:06 | XavierGr | JdGordon what are you doing? |
| 06:01:24 | JdGordon | trying to compile the damn firmware with some secret changes :D |
| 06:01:34 | XavierGr | toolmanwill: mine 0dB something is wrong with mine then |
| 06:01:41 | Kyl3 | Hooligan: dont forget to rename it to H300.hex |
| 06:01:46 | XavierGr | plugin or something else? |
| 06:01:49 | Hooligan | Yeah, haha |
| 06:01:55 | Hooligan | I wonder if this will brick my player. |
| 06:02:11 | XavierGr | well cross your fingers then |
| 06:02:16 | Hooligan | Oh, I am. |
| 06:02:35 | JdGordon | heheh.. had the funciton under a #if defined block which wasnt being done :p |
| 06:02:40 | * | JdGordon shuts up |
| 06:02:50 | XavierGr | haha |
| 06:03:03 | Kyl3 | how do you rockbox guys compile using cygwin withoutm86k-elf-gcc? |
| 06:03:22 | XavierGr | you can't (i think) |
| 06:03:42 | Kyl3 | i know ;P where can i get it? |
| 06:03:45 | ashridah | XavierGr: the simulator should compile with GCC. |
| 06:03:48 | ehntoo | Kyl3: tried this? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 06:03:50 | XavierGr | get the devkit if you are on windows, or downlaod the elf from the cygwin links. |
| 06:04:02 | Hooligan | Also, H300_Drmkey.hex looks almost identical to H300.hex in a hex editor, so I'm reassured a bit. |
| 06:04:15 | XavierGr | yes the simulator can compile without the mk68 |
| 06:04:18 | Kyl3 | thanks guys |
| 06:04:24 | Hooligan | Okay, here goes nothing. |
| 06:04:36 | XavierGr | Hooligan: Then procceed haha , don't blame me though |
| 06:04:44 | Hooligan | I won't. |
| 06:04:53 | Kyl3 | whatre doing anyway? |
| 06:05:01 | XavierGr | Well, here goes your H300 if something is wrong.... |
| 06:05:08 | Hooligan | Hehe |
| 06:05:15 | Hooligan | Well, it's booting |
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| 06:05:27 | XavierGr | and... |
| 06:05:39 | Hooligan | Damn. |
| 06:05:40 | Hooligan | Can't Found DRM KEY |
| 06:05:50 | XavierGr | what? |
| 06:05:58 | XavierGr | sgit |
| 06:06:06 | XavierGr | I mean shit |
| 06:06:16 | XavierGr | how that stuff works anyway? |
| 06:06:21 | Hooligan | The name must mean something though |
| 06:06:23 | XavierGr | I mean you have a drm song |
| 06:06:29 | XavierGr | do you put a license file there? |
| 06:06:55 | XavierGr | and then checks the drm in the firmware and plays else it will not? |
| 06:07:33 | Hooligan | Well, the key must be used to decrypt the song. |
| 06:07:36 | Hooligan | I think |
| 06:08:22 | XavierGr | toolmanwill: It was my settings that did the job. |
| 06:08:38 | XavierGr | Now the peak meter works fine. |
| 06:08:45 | ashridah | the key on the player is used to reencrypt the song on upload, isn't it? |
| 06:08:53 | ashridah | so it can't be copied back off the device. |
| 06:09:19 | Hooligan | Makes sense. |
| 06:09:27 | toolmanwill | kool, beans |
| 06:09:55 | toolmanwill | that peakmeter now will stop me totally from using iriver FW |
| 06:10:00 | XavierGr | if you have a drm file do you need to put on the player another one (except the audio file) |
| 06:10:31 | XavierGr | toolmanwill: Why did the iriver fw had peakmeter in the first place? |
| 06:11:10 | XavierGr | (kidding) |
| 06:11:59 | Hooligan | Now, I wonder if there would be any legal implications of me uploading this file |
| 06:12:17 | Hooligan | Not like I got it in any shady way, it was on my player when I got it back. |
| 06:12:19 | XavierGr | upload it at least in your mail box. |
| 06:12:46 | XavierGr | or somewhere that we can get our hands, if something happens to you, now that you have it, ;p |
| 06:12:55 | Hooligan | Haha |
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| 06:13:15 | XavierGr | Who knows what can happen to you now that it leaked to your hands |
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| 06:13:25 | Hooligan | Well, although the tests were disappointing (But non-bricking :)), I hope this file can still give some clues |
| 06:13:30 | XavierGr | I would double lock my door if I were you LOL |
| 06:13:45 | Hooligan | I'll hide a copy in the heating duct. |
| 06:14:12 | XavierGr | or mask the extension as a zip file |
| 06:14:16 | Soul-E | Hooligan |
| 06:14:26 | Soul-E | did you try flashing h300.hex with h300drm.hex on the drive? |
| 06:14:42 | XavierGr | yes he did on the first try |
| 06:14:47 | XavierGr | no? |
| 06:15:14 | Soul-E | <Hooligan> Test 1: Flashing with the H300.hex I found on the player, without H300_Drmkey.hex on the drive. |
| 06:15:32 | Soul-E | try flashing WITH it on the drive |
| 06:15:38 | Hooligan | I did. |
| 06:15:39 | Hooligan | http://misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=32762 |
| 06:16:49 | Soul-E | is your device US or Intl |
| 06:16:56 | Hooligan | US |
| 06:17:27 | Hooligan | I'm testing these files on a second H320 which I had previously flashed to 1.28k |
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| 06:18:02 | Hooligan | I'm gonna try flashing with both files on the drive one more time. |
| 06:18:08 | Kyl3 | grr now i get compiling errors ill just wait for the 1.29k patcher |
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| 06:18:52 | Hooligan | Though it seems the two files are almost identical when looked at in a hex editor. |
| 06:18:59 | XavierGr | why not flash with the drm hex without renamed maybe it will accpet it. |
| 06:19:13 | Hooligan | Tried, didn't accept it. |
| 06:19:44 | Hooligan | Maybe if I flash with H300.hex, then try flashing with H300_Drmkey.hex without renaming it. Maybe...Just maybe |
| 06:20:17 | XavierGr | maybe if we email iriver they will tell us ROFLMAO |
| 06:20:38 | Hooligan | That would be golden |
| 06:21:04 | Hooligan | Maybe I should call them tomorrow morning. See what they say! |
| 06:21:18 | XavierGr | maybe the put that on purpose to laugh at us... |
| 06:21:37 | Hooligan | If they were doing it to laugh at us, they would make it a bricker. |
| 06:22:02 | XavierGr | ah nah they wouldn't be such dicks. |
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| 06:22:19 | XavierGr | you can't really laugh with a bricked H300. :( |
| 06:22:20 | Hooligan | True. |
| 06:22:36 | Hooligan | Oh, funny story about how I have two H320s |
| 06:22:47 | Hooligan | I sent mine back two weeks ago, got it back yesterday. |
| 06:22:58 | drumRBoy320 | hooligan, funny to see you here, i just gave instructions to try and go here if you needed someone to test |
| 06:22:59 | drumRBoy320 | hahaha |
| 06:23:02 | Hooligan | This afternoon, I get home and there's another package from iRiver |
| 06:23:18 | Hooligan | drumRboy: I'm a geek too! |
| 06:23:22 | drumRBoy320 | lol |
| 06:23:24 | drumRBoy320 | :P |
| 06:23:34 | Hooligan | So I open up the second package today, and it |
| 06:23:38 | Hooligan | 's another H320! |
| 06:23:49 | Hooligan | Incidentally, it was the one with H300_Drmkey.hex |
| 06:23:54 | XavierGr | Hooligan they send it to you 2 H300s |
| 06:23:57 | drumRBoy320 | did you tell them they sent to? |
| 06:23:59 | Kyl3 | wow. |
| 06:24:02 | drumRBoy320 | two* |
| 06:24:07 | Soul-E | on accident? |
| 06:24:09 | Hooligan | Yes, they did. |
| 06:24:10 | Soul-E | that is freaking awesome |
| 06:24:13 | XavierGr | are you kidding OMFG!!!!! |
| 06:24:17 | drumRBoy320 | hahaha |
| 06:24:18 | Soul-E | why did you flash both with intl firmware then |
| 06:24:23 | Hooligan | I didn't |
| 06:24:32 | XavierGr | I repeat OMFG!!!!! |
| 06:24:33 | Hooligan | The one that I got today is still 1.03 US |
| 06:24:36 | drumRBoy320 | thats like that guy who sent in an h120 and got an h340 and an h120 back |
| 06:24:39 | drumRBoy320 | i think |
| 06:24:56 | Soul-E | try flashing it with the h300drmkey |
| 06:25:05 | XavierGr | Then maybe I will try to RMA mine! |
| 06:25:14 | Hooligan | I'm trying everything on the one that was already 1.28k |
| 06:25:53 | ehntoo | I may have to swap my new 30gb drive out of my h120 for the old broken 20 and try to rma it |
| 06:26:14 | Hooligan | ehntoo: Good luck |
| 06:26:25 | ehntoo | I wonder if they'd still rma it. |
| 06:26:28 | ehntoo | hm. |
| 06:26:34 | ehntoo | I'm off to bed, anyway |
| 06:26:35 | ehntoo | later |
| 06:26:38 | Hooligan | Bye |
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| 06:27:26 | Kyl3 | how long does an RMA take when its ground shipping |
| 06:27:55 | Hooligan | I got mine back in two weeks ground shipping |
| 06:28:02 | Kyl3 | from NY? I wanna have my 340 back before new years |
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| 06:28:05 | drumRBoy320 | nite all |
| 06:28:12 | Kyl3 | nite |
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| 06:28:24 | Kyl3 | Really thats great |
| 06:28:47 | Kyl3 | According to FedEx right now mines in Ohio |
| 06:29:35 | Hooligan | Okay, I'm out of combinations. At any rate, I can confirm that flashing with this unknown file won't brick it |
| 06:29:56 | Hooligan | Surely must be worth something :) |
| 06:30:06 | JdGordon | ok which function is the main button keypress checker? |
| 06:30:24 | Kyl3 | flash one with a rockboxed h120.hex fine, rename it :P |
| 06:32:03 | Hooligan | Okay, time to flash back to 1.28k Rockboxed |
| 06:32:33 | Hooligan | Is Linus still the only developer on the H300? |
| 06:33:26 | ashridah | Hooligan: for specific hardware issues, yes. for rockbox in general, absolutely not |
| 06:33:44 | ashridah | lots of the features that work in the H1xx and archos players also work directly on the H3xx. |
| 06:34:09 | ashridah | god. i've been answering too many MR posts. |
| 06:34:16 | Hooligan | ashridah: Yeah, I know. I meant for issues such as getting the radio, recording, USB support, etc. working |
| 06:34:18 | ashridah | Hooligan: sorry about the formula reply ;) |
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| 06:34:29 | Hooligan | Haha, no worries. |
| 06:35:05 | ashridah | so far as i know, yeah, although it's at the stage where anyone can do development, just not too many developers with H3xx's yet. a few new ones are starting to look at things tho |
| 06:35:10 | ashridah | (like optimising tremor) |
| 06:35:20 | ashridah | that can be done just with datasheets and a unit |
| 06:36:25 | Hooligan | Well, I can't really code all that well (And certainly not well enough for Rockbox) but if there's anything I can help with I'd be happy to do what I can. |
| 06:39:45 | Hooligan | So if there's any mundane work to be done just tell me, haha. |
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| 06:41:24 | * | ashridah cracks the whip |
| 06:42:28 | JdGordon | Hooligan: looks at the logs form a few days ago.. i asked the same q and they had some ideas |
| 06:44:05 | JdGordon | haha, my lcd backlight keeps flashing on as soon as it goes off :D |
| 06:44:45 | Hooligan | It's possessed. |
| 06:44:57 | Hooligan | Or however many times 's' is in there |
| 06:45:41 | XavierGr | Hooligan you could help with the manual. |
| 06:45:43 | JdGordon | hehe no.. just misunderstanding the code on my part :D |
| 06:54:12 | D3DAiM | lol it seems like 2 wps's are mixed together |
| 06:54:24 | D3DAiM | dunno how to fix that |
| 06:55:11 | * | JdGordon gives up |
| 06:55:30 | cannard | is jerry springer scripted? |
| 06:55:49 | D3DAiM | figures i press too many buttons :P |
| 06:55:49 | Rick | Who knows! |
| 06:56:19 | D3DAiM | hey, are there any playable games for rockbox yet? |
| 06:56:25 | JdGordon | heaps |
| 06:56:47 | D3DAiM | hm |
| 06:57:12 | Hooligan | We need more games that take full advantage of the H100/300 screen |
| 06:57:37 | Hooligan | Wasn't there a Rockblox patch that turns the play screen vertical? |
| 06:57:39 | D3DAiM | is there link u can gie me? |
| 06:57:43 | D3DAiM | give* |
| 06:58:09 | D3DAiM | or are they in the patch section |
| 06:58:31 | D3DAiM | aha they are nvm |
| 06:58:31 | JdGordon | the oficial ones are in .rockbox/rocks |
| 06:58:41 | D3DAiM | got it |
| 06:58:46 | ashridah | how the #@$%@#$ do i get the fm radio out of preset mode? |
| 06:58:51 | ashridah | i can't seem to scan |
| 06:59:28 | Rick | D3DAiM: Plenty if you use rockboy (: |
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| 07:05:03 | XavierGr | ashridah: Press and hold PLAY |
| 07:05:49 | ashridah | aah |
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| 07:20:55 | D3DAiM | i heard rockboy was slow |
| 07:22:13 | hooligan | So why doesn't the H300 radio work yet? I thought the tuner was identical the H100's |
| 07:22:42 | hooligan | Slow in what respect? |
| 07:23:09 | D3DAiM | dunno, it lagged |
| 07:24:45 | hooligan | It can lag a little when browsing the file tree when dir caching is disabled |
| 07:24:45 | Rick | Heh |
| 07:24:55 | Rick | I need to work on my rockmachine plugin :< |
| 07:25:31 | D3DAiM | well then i need to try it out |
| 07:25:46 | D3DAiM | is it full game performance asa gb? |
| 07:26:02 | D3DAiM | as if u were to play it on a emulator |
| 07:26:30 | Rick | well, from what I know the h100 only goes up to 120mhz (I think) |
| 07:29:20 | Lost-ash | Rick: safely. you could probably twiddle the multiplier higher. wouldn't last long tho |
| 07:30:23 | Rick | ah |
| 07:34:31 | JdGordon | hooligan |
| 07:34:42 | JdGordon | its more to do with how the tuner is connected to the rest of the unit |
| 07:34:45 | JdGordon | not the tuner itself |
| 07:34:58 | JdGordon | u can compile the h300 fw with the tuner.. but it wont work |
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| 07:37:02 | hooligan | JdGordon: I see. Thanks for clarifying that. |
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| 07:43:52 | hooligan | May be a silly question, but how do I compile a single plugin from the RB source? |
| 07:44:35 | JdGordon | dunno.. just do make and it will only recompile changed files |
| 07:49:33 | Bger | morning :) |
| 07:50:20 | JdGordon | morning |
| 07:50:34 | Bger | or evening or ... whatever |
| 07:54:32 | hooligan | 10:54 PM here |
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| 08:53:17 | whatboutbob | ergh...my rockbox dir i use to compile has been corrupted. am attempting to reinstall, however when i attempt to make tools i'm getting an error make: ***[ipod_fw] Error 1. any ideas what i've done wrong anyone? |
| 08:53:45 | Bagder | you have an outdated devkit, I'd say |
| 08:53:53 | whatboutbob | ah. l |
| 08:53:57 | whatboutbob | *k |
| 08:54:11 | Bagder | the devkit may be small, but you need to download a new small one every few months ;-) |
| 08:54:25 | whatboutbob | *slaps head* v313 |
| 08:54:28 | whatboutbob | thanks bagder |
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| 09:01:37 | Bger | hehe |
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| 09:01:54 | Bger | Bagder: even the last devkit doesn |
| 09:01:57 | Bger | 't work atm |
| 09:02:02 | Bger | iirc |
| 09:02:02 | Bagder | I know |
| 09:02:17 | Bagder | but that ipod_fw thing is fixed at least |
| 09:02:25 | Bger | yes, but ... :) |
| 09:02:41 | Bagder | and the uclpack problem can be ignored for non-Archos users |
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| 09:02:58 | Bger | yeah,that's what i've done |
| 09:03:01 | Bagder | I intend to even fix it for non-Archos users |
| 09:03:04 | Bger | what i did |
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| 09:11:57 | JdGordon | %Fn is next track right? |
| 09:16:22 | Bger | JdGordon: see www.rockbox.org/twiki/view/bin/Main/CustomWPS |
| 09:16:36 | JdGordon | thats what im looking at.... |
| 09:16:41 | Bger | ops |
| 09:16:44 | JdGordon | oops.. i did %FN in the .wps |
| 09:16:46 | JdGordon | :p |
| 09:19:21 | JdGordon | my wps is almost done :D |
| 09:19:31 | JdGordon | simple and no damn pics so it doesnt flash |
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| 09:22:39 | Bger | morning, LinusN;) |
| 09:22:46 | LinusN | morning |
| 09:24:31 | JdGordon | mornig LinusN |
| 09:24:43 | LinusN | moo |
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| 09:24:51 | JdGordon | how the heck do u get the player to ignore a keypress?? i was playing all today and couldnt get it to work :'( |
| 09:25:09 | LinusN | eh? |
| 09:25:29 | LinusN | receive the event and ignore it |
| 09:25:39 | JdGordon | in the button driver |
| 09:25:50 | LinusN | why in the driver? |
| 09:26:02 | JdGordon | i was tryig to get it to ignore presses if the bl is off... |
| 09:26:15 | LinusN | h300? |
| 09:26:16 | JdGordon | .. by all day i mean about 15min :p |
| 09:26:18 | JdGordon | ye |
| 09:26:37 | LinusN | should be fairly easy |
| 09:26:51 | LinusN | don't send the event if bl is off |
| 09:27:24 | LinusN | line 165 |
| 09:27:38 | LinusN | if(repeat) ... |
| 09:28:05 | JdGordon | AH |
| 09:28:10 | JdGordon | doh ! |
| 09:28:39 | LinusN | you'd probably have to skip the lastbtn assignment as well on line 185 |
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| 09:30:23 | whatboutbob | bger: how do i ignore the uclpack error? |
| 09:30:35 | JdGordon | remove the line from the makefile |
| 09:31:50 | * | whatboutbob shudders |
| 09:31:58 | Bger | and from FILES in tools/ dir |
| 09:32:02 | Bger | iirc |
| 09:33:03 | whatboutbob | sorry...i'm a noob. i don't know how /where to remove the line. it all just automagically worked for me b4... <grins sheepishly> |
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| 09:33:30 | XavierGr | anyone knows where TiMiD is lost? I haven't seen him some days now... |
| 09:34:35 | JdGordon | whatboutbob: remove uclpack form tools/Makefile in the TARGETS := line |
| 09:35:41 | XavierGr | anyway I am going to sleep now later all. |
| 09:37:14 | Bagder | Andy made the build yellow |
| 09:37:44 | JdGordon | kill him ! |
| 09:38:09 | XavierGr | well fair trade of for the peak meters haha |
| 09:38:25 | XavierGr | s/of/off |
| 09:38:51 | whatboutbob | hehe...the peak meters are why i'm trying to compile...i wanna record a gig starting in about 40 mins... |
| 09:39:03 | Bagder | hehe |
| 09:39:12 | Bagder | well there are bleeding builds if nothing else works |
| 09:39:38 | whatboutbob | yeah...i'm thinking i'm going to have to do that. worry about my patches later. |
| 09:40:12 | whatboutbob | i've never used bleeding builds before...is it as simple as extracting to the unit? |
| 09:40:19 | Bagder | yes |
| 09:40:24 | whatboutbob | shweet. thanks. |
| 09:40:31 | Bagder | it's just a make zip from the latest cvs table build |
| 09:41:35 | * | Bagder sees LinusN is sucking up to the MR crowd ;-) |
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| 09:46:46 | LinusN | Bagder: :-) |
| 09:46:59 | LinusN | i have to cater for my fans |
| 09:47:14 | Bagder | har har |
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| 09:48:50 | * | Bagder still has 30 gcc4-warnings modified files |
| 09:48:58 | LinusN | besides, i must work hard to win the wiki stats for december too |
| 09:49:35 | Bagder | LinusN: I figure you're ok with my tools approach? |
| 09:50:10 | LinusN | which is? |
| 09:50:42 | Bagder | (posted to the list a while ago) no longer allow make in tools/ but build the "proper" tools when make is ran in the build dir |
| 09:51:03 | Bagder | no more building unnecessary tools |
| 09:51:28 | LinusN | aha |
| 09:51:35 | LinusN | fair enough |
| 09:52:02 | Bagder | for example, it'll hide the uclpack problem to all iriver people |
| 09:52:23 | Bagder | uclpack-with-devkit problem that is |
| 09:54:08 | LinusN | good |
| 09:56:24 | Bagder | committed |
| 09:56:45 | Bagder | re-run configure re-run configure re-run configure re-run configure re-run configure |
| 09:56:54 | Bagder | :-) |
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| 09:58:51 | Bagder | whatboutbob: your uclpack problems are solved now if you cvsup |
| 09:59:49 | LinusN | i bet the devkit breaks in a new way now :-) |
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| 10:00:09 | Bagder | heh, I can't say that would surprise me ;-) |
| 10:01:22 | JdGordon | __backlight_on and __backlight_off is the only way it gets turned on or off? |
| 10:01:28 | * | Bagder is always prepared to break a build or two |
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| 10:01:45 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: Is it possible for someone to override your change and force a compile in the tools directory? |
| 10:02:00 | Bagder | yes, if you run 'make [tool]' |
| 10:02:12 | preglow | meh |
| 10:02:16 | linuxstb_ | That's fine then. |
| 10:02:23 | LinusN | JdGordon: think so |
| 10:02:41 | linuxstb_ | I was just thinking that there may be rare situations where I wanted a tool without wanting to compile for a target. |
| 10:02:46 | JdGordon | grr *shakes fist* then i dunno why the fuck this hack wont work :'( |
| 10:03:03 | Bagder | linuxstb_: you can also just run 'make tools' in the build dir, which will only build the tools for your platform |
| 10:03:03 | LinusN | JdGordon: show me the patch |
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| 10:03:47 | JdGordon | unless its checking the buttons too quickly? and regiestering the click twice? |
| 10:05:00 | LinusN | could be |
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| 10:05:11 | JdGordon | no diff in the cygwin kit.. all ive done is added a vairable in backlight.c which is set to 1 if backlight is on and 0 if off, and a function to check it.. then if its off (before going into button_read() then queue_post(&button_queue, btn, NULL); is skipped |
| 10:05:21 | LinusN | JdGordon: no diff? |
| 10:05:24 | JdGordon | bugger... gotta go |
| 10:05:29 | LinusN | JdGordon: youre not using cvs???? |
| 10:05:29 | JdGordon | fix it tomrow |
| 10:05:32 | JdGordon | cyaz |
| 10:05:52 | JdGordon | the cygwin devkit doesnt have it |
| 10:05:59 | JdGordon | and i havnt got round to installing it |
| 10:06:07 | LinusN | it has it |
| 10:06:27 | LinusN | afaik |
| 10:06:33 | JdGordon | ah woops.. so it does :p |
| 10:06:47 | JdGordon | it just crashes when i do di<tab> which is why i thought it didnt |
| 10:06:50 | JdGordon | anyway, gtg |
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| 10:07:34 | Bagder | I am just so happy I don't need to be near the devkit/cygwin |
| 10:07:39 | LinusN | me too |
| 10:09:08 | linuxstb | Is the apps/win32.mak file obsolete? |
| 10:09:17 | Bagder | yes |
| 10:09:24 | linuxstb | And the one in tools/ |
| 10:09:34 | Bagder | yes |
| 10:09:51 | linuxstb | Should someone "cvs remove" them? |
| 10:09:56 | Bagder | yes |
| 10:09:59 | linuxstb | You? |
| 10:10:02 | Bagder | yes |
| 10:10:10 | linuxstb | :) |
| 10:10:32 | Bagder | done! |
| 10:15:59 | * | linuxstb wonders why Ogg is such an unhelpful container format. |
| 10:16:29 | linuxstb | You basically need to scan the whole file in order to get all the information needed for playback. |
| 10:17:04 | linuxstb | And there is no seektable. |
| 10:19:47 | markun | Maybe matroshka is bettter |
| 10:20:10 | linuxstb | Tell all the vorbis fans that :) |
| 10:20:41 | markun | I'm a vorbis fan :) |
| 10:20:59 | linuxstb | I've started to write a simple (malloc free) Ogg parser that Tremor (and FLAC and Speex when it comes) can use. |
| 10:22:12 | linuxstb | Do you use chained Ogg files? Do you know any applications that support them? |
| 10:22:12 | markun | Very usefull. I guess we'll only play the first stream in the Ogg container |
| 10:22:56 | markun | It's useful for internet radio, but that's the only application I can think of |
| 10:23:28 | markun | It's should be possible to split them again, so if someone complains we can tell them to do that. |
| 10:23:35 | linuxstb | Is it designed to be used to store an entire album in a single file? |
| 10:25:14 | markun | That's also possible |
| 10:25:44 | markun | I suggest you forget about it for now :) |
| 10:25:58 | linuxstb | I have to say that .m4a is a perfect container for portable playback. All the required information (including an index of every compressed frame in the file with its compressed and uncompressed size) is in the header. |
| 10:29:02 | markun | Did you start the code for the wolfson dac yet? |
| 10:30:36 | preglow | linuxstb: no seek table? |
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| 10:34:01 | linuxstb | Nope. |
| 10:34:07 | linuxstb | (to both questions) |
| 10:35:28 | preglow | then how do you seek? |
| 10:36:20 | linuxstb | You guess, resync to the start of the next page and look in the page header for the location of that page in the stream. |
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| 10:36:55 | linuxstb | The header contains a CRC for syncing purpose. |
| 10:37:12 | preglow | wow, gotta admit ogg fell in esteem |
| 10:38:13 | MrShlee | Does the patcher work for 1.29? |
| 10:38:16 | linuxstb | Yes, it's not nice. I thought there would be some advantage to using Ogg instead of native FLAC, but there isn't. |
| 10:47:13 | linuxstb | Anyway, I'm planning to implement Ogg FLAC using my own parser. When I add seeking support to it, I'll then see if it's worth replacing Tremor's parser with my own. At the very least it will remove a ton of mallocs from Tremor. |
| 10:47:26 | preglow | hmm |
| 10:47:31 | preglow | any reason why you're not using libogg2? |
| 10:47:40 | preglow | it's supposed to be malloc free |
| 10:47:43 | linuxstb | It's full of mallocs. |
| 10:47:54 | preglow | oh? |
| 10:47:55 | linuxstb | Unless I downloaded the wrong version. |
| 10:49:43 | linuxstb | This is the libogg2 I looked at: http://svn.xiph.org/trunk/ogg2/ |
| 10:49:50 | MrShlee | Before I flash, any set plans to release a new boot patcher for the H300 soon? |
| 10:50:24 | linuxstb | And this file contains all the [mc]allocs: http://svn.xiph.org/trunk/ogg2/src/buffer.c |
| 10:51:11 | preglow | well, in that case: move along |
| 10:51:20 | preglow | bloody mallocs |
| 10:52:15 | preglow | man, i'm tired |
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| 11:11:17 | | Join lamed [0] (n=55407064@labb.contactor.se) |
| 11:11:30 | lamed | hey guys. found a few bugs. |
| 11:12:03 | lamed | no usb check on credit screen... you can connect the data cable without beeing connected |
| 11:12:20 | Bger | lamed: this is plugin |
| 11:12:34 | Bger | (apps/plugins/credits.c) |
| 11:12:39 | lamed | ..all plugins work like that? |
| 11:12:48 | Bagder | not necessarily |
| 11:13:04 | lamed | well then, don't you think it's a sort of a mistake? |
| 11:13:25 | Bagder | I think so |
| 11:14:09 | lamed | well then now you know of it... if i correct something like that, to whom should i post..? |
| 11:14:22 | Bagder | patch tracker |
| 11:14:43 | Bagder | lunch! |
| 11:14:52 | Bger | nice lunch |
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| 11:18:10 | lamed | HEHEEHEHEEH IRIVER H SERIES FW 1.66!!! hahaha... hilarious... sorry, just read about it... ("and i've thought they STOPPED updating...." muhahahah). although that one sounds serious: 5. Fixed the bug that made noise regarding buffer control when recording in WAV format. | it's probably nothing isn't it |
| 11:19:09 | lamed | 3. Support Hebrew/Greek Wow! thanks! if you could only done it 2 YEARS AGO! and PROPERLY from Right to Left like rockbox does! |
| 11:19:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think the 1.66 is a side effect of the new h300 firmware |
| 11:20:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Most of the fixes are pretty similar. They're like "we've got all this spare code, we might as well pretend we care about those h100 users" |
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| 11:24:18 | lamed | I guess you're right. there's no way in hell after 1.5 years of waiting for that goddamn hebrew support smallest patch, never to mention playlists, i cannot imagine they really _care_ |
| 11:25:41 | MrShlee | I doubt they care about much now they have microsoft support :+ |
| 11:25:44 | ashridah | iriver are irrelevent for the H1xx now :) |
| 11:25:54 | * | ashridah certainly won't be updating to 1.66 any time soon |
| 11:26:23 | MrShlee | I updated for the mchell of it. Works fine :| |
| 11:26:43 | ashridah | MrShlee: i don't doubt that it works. i just don't need it. |
| 11:27:00 | MrShlee | *nods* |
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| 11:27:42 | lch | yo, rockbox folks. |
| 11:28:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | As I said I'll update to 1.66 when I need to flash a newer version of the bootloader for whatever reason. |
| 11:28:37 | lch | after leaving my iRiver H140 on a plane, and buying an Archos FM Recorder that no longer works, I am once again without an MP3 player. |
| 11:28:47 | lamed | <sentimental> this is a good reason to thanks again bagder, linusn, zagor, and all people that have joined together under this great project. |
| 11:28:53 | lch | So I gotta get a new one. |
| 11:29:00 | lamed | lch ouch. |
| 11:29:07 | lch | I want an MP3 player *specifically* for using Rockbox. |
| 11:29:13 | lch | What would you suggest I get? |
| 11:29:41 | ashridah | H140's work well. H3xx's are on the way to working well. |
| 11:29:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | It depends. How much do you care about optical in/out? |
| 11:29:52 | lamed | i would grab an h300, just because of the usb2go&usbhost. |
| 11:30:01 | ashridah | H1xx's are harder to get tho, since they've been discontinued for a while |
| 11:30:29 | lch | I got my H140 used on eBay, and it came with two complete sets of extras (two power supplies, two LCD remotes, etc etc). |
| 11:31:05 | lch | I don't think I care about optical in/out. I want it for playing MP3s and OGGs, and don't plan on doing much recording. |
| 11:31:20 | lamed | that's nice. i've had a bad fw upgrade at the very first week of purchasing... i send the player and got a new bundle. so i've got everything twice too. |
| 11:31:24 | lch | (It'd be really spiffy if it was an easy-to-use voice recorder, but that's totally optional.) |
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| 11:31:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then H340 may be the way to go. |
| 11:32:14 | lch | Are H340s still available at retail, or is that an eBay thing? |
| 11:33:02 | lch | Also, while there was a lot to love about the H140, the joystick really pissed me off. It was almost impossible to use properly. Is the joystick on the H340 nicer? |
| 11:33:31 | ashridah | the h3x0 doesn't use a joystick, it has buttons |
| 11:34:14 | MrShlee | lch, there isnt a stick as such.. its a pad. |
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| 11:34:43 | lch | That's probably better anyway. |
| 11:35:01 | lch | So are the H340s discontinued and now an eBay-only item? |
| 11:35:16 | markun | I just opened my Gigabeat. Everything's smaller than I imagined somehow. |
| 11:35:30 | Rick | markun: no remote though from what i've been told :( |
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| 11:35:47 | markun | there is a remote, but without LCD |
| 11:35:51 | Rick | ah |
| 11:37:00 | ashridah | but, if you've got a H1x0 remote, it'll work (at least, with iriver's firmware, not sure about the status on rockbox yet) |
| 11:37:13 | Bger | ashridah: it's OK |
| 11:37:14 | markun | I want to look at the back of the LCD, but it's incased in plastic and I don't want to break it |
| 11:37:18 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 11:37:43 | markun | hi Jungti1234 |
| 11:37:44 | Bger | btw, in CVS rockbox only the h100's LCD remote works ok (that's it has the correct button mappings) |
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| 11:38:19 | ashridah | ah, so the h1x0 remote is enabled then |
| 11:38:46 | Rick | ashridah: er, the h1x0 remote will work with gigabeat? |
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| 11:38:55 | Rick | or are you replying to someone else |
| 11:39:01 | Bger | ashridah: btw, there is a way to detect the remote type, but we don't know what it is |
| 11:39:14 | lch | I think he's replying to me. the H1x0 remotes will work with the H3x0 players. |
| 11:39:22 | Rick | lch: oh yes, they will (: |
| 11:39:25 | Rick | and from what I know |
| 11:39:28 | Bger | in fact, currently even the non-lcd h300 remote doesn't work with rb |
| 11:39:30 | Rick | h3x0 remotes will work with h1x0 too |
| 11:39:36 | Rick | (once support is added) |
| 11:39:49 | Bger | Rick: yep |
| 11:41:06 | lch | So, any place to get an H340 besides eBay? |
| 11:41:26 | Rick | i'm sure third party shops still sell them too |
| 11:41:31 | Rick | just gotta find ones that have them in stock |
| 11:43:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can get them from iRiver's online store, in america at least, refurbished. |
| 11:43:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, in the USA at least |
| 11:44:07 | * | Paul_The_Nerd was thinking "iRiverAmerica.com" |
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| 11:44:13 | lch | I'm in the USA. |
| 11:44:21 | Zak1392 | hey guys |
| 11:44:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | They're a bit expensive even refurbs though |
| 11:44:27 | Jungti1234 | Who can help about 'Rockbox Development Kit' to me? |
| 11:44:42 | Zak1392 | hows it going linus? |
| 11:45:42 | Bger | Jungti1234 what about it |
| 11:45:51 | Jungti1234 | Korean merchants are selling H340 for 250,000 wons. |
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| 11:46:29 | Jungti1234 | Bger: It isn't installed rightly. |
| 11:47:03 | lch | Paul_The_Nerd: They don't seem to be refurbished units. But they are $400. |
| 11:47:32 | lch | Paul_The_Nerd: https://secure15.nexternal.com/shared/StoreFront/products.asp?CS=iriver&CategoryID=36&Refresh=True |
| 11:47:41 | Rick | whoa |
| 11:47:45 | Rick | they are selling them |
| 11:47:46 | Jungti1234 | lch: Much expensive. |
| 11:47:54 | Rick | "Back for a limited time," |
| 11:48:42 | Rick | Jungti1234: costs the same as my h120 when I bought it :P |
| 11:49:15 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 11:49:35 | lch | is this coloration on purpose? http://i6.ebayimg.com/03/i/05/85/e7/6c_1.JPG |
| 11:49:51 | Rick | O.o |
| 11:49:57 | Rick | that looks like a messed up one |
| 11:50:00 | Jungti1234 | hmm.. |
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| 11:50:11 | Rick | the lcd looks messed up too |
| 11:50:18 | Rick | but that could be a glare |
| 11:50:25 | Rick | /reflection |
| 11:50:33 | lch | or a polarizing filter on the camera |
| 11:51:02 | Zak1392 | pmc for $300! |
| 11:51:12 | Jungti1234 | http://product.iriver.co.kr/down/productPhoto/h320_1.jpg |
| 11:51:51 | Rick | pmc? |
| 11:52:02 | lch | Jungti1234: that link didn't work for me |
| 11:52:05 | Jungti1234 | What is PMC? |
| 11:52:14 | Zak1392 | pmc-120 |
| 11:52:19 | Jungti1234 | PMP? |
| 11:52:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's similar |
| 11:52:44 | Zak1392 | https://secure15.nexternal.com/shared/StoreFront/product_detail.asp?CS=iriver&RowID=120&All= |
| 11:53:14 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 11:53:15 | Jungti1234 | pmc.. |
| 11:53:41 | Jungti1234 | I didn't witness it in the South Korea. |
| 11:54:00 | Jungti1234 | witness -> see |
| 11:56:24 | Jungti1234 | lch: http://shopping.naver.com/detail/detail.nhn?cat_id=00030000&nv_mid=83634 |
| 11:57:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Someone pointed out something, which you can actually see in the screenshot on that page. |
| 11:57:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | The "Video" choice in the H3x0 menu has been shown in images of it for quite a while, but it only finally shows up in a release firmware. |
| 11:57:46 | * | Paul_The_Nerd does not know if this is 100% true, as he's never paid much attention to the 3-series, and does not own one. |
| 11:58:22 | lch | Jungti1234: I guess different H340s have different "looks" to them. |
| 11:58:36 | Jungti1234 | Paul_The_Nerd: maybe true. |
| 11:58:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've also often wondered why there is no H220/240. They skipped 2, for 3. |
| 11:59:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | OR at least, I have never seen one. |
| 11:59:25 | Jungti1234 | hahaha |
| 11:59:30 | lch | Paul_The_Nerd: Well, they're odd units. |
| 11:59:44 | Rick | it's possible they did but it never made it past design |
| 11:59:54 | Rick | and scrapped it |
| 11:59:57 | Jungti1234 | They planed H360. |
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| 12:00:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | And then they made the H10. Which scraps the whole semi-decent numbering scheme. |
| 12:00:27 | Rick | hehe |
| 12:00:27 | Rick | yeah |
| 12:00:37 | Jungti1234 | kkk |
| 12:00:41 | lch | Well, thanks, y'all. I just bought that H340 on eBay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5836561107 |
| 12:01:04 | lch | comes with an FM transmitter doohickey too. |
| 12:01:06 | Jungti1234 | hmm.. -_-; |
| 12:02:06 | lch | I looked at the recent history on eBay, and H340s tend to go for $350+. |
| 12:02:08 | Rick | hehe |
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| 12:02:14 | lch | and that's not counting shipping. |
| 12:02:23 | lch | this guy had his on with a Buy It Now of $300, and shipping of $8. |
| 12:02:36 | Rick | (: |
| 12:02:38 | Rick | grats lch |
| 12:02:43 | Jungti1234 | good |
| 12:02:45 | lch | Rick: thx |
| 12:02:57 | Rick | i'm not sure yet if I should go after something newer |
| 12:03:09 | lch | I think the other bidders are hoping for a bargain, but the odds are against them. |
| 12:03:30 | | Part dunno |
| 12:04:52 | Jungti1234 | hey |
| 12:04:53 | Jungti1234 | http://cbingoimage.naver.com/data/bingo_25/imgbingo_8/ramorac/31555/ramorac_9.jpg |
| 12:05:25 | Jungti1234 | This is PMC-100 series. |
| 12:05:56 | Rick | er |
| 12:06:01 | Rick | is that a windows logo on that? |
| 12:06:20 | Jungti1234 | yes |
| 12:06:32 | Rick | ah |
| 12:06:35 | Rick | must run WindowsCE then |
| 12:06:41 | Jungti1234 | But .. |
| 12:06:57 | Jungti1234 | http://cafefiles.naver.net/data3/2004/12/21/261/iRiverPMC-100Front%28M%29.jpg |
| 12:07:21 | Rick | what about it? |
| 12:07:25 | Rick | different UI? |
| 12:07:49 | Jungti1234 | I'm confused. |
| 12:08:03 | Rick | strange |
| 12:08:14 | Jungti1234 | It was not announced in Korea. |
| 12:09:32 | MrShlee | <Rick> must run WindowsCE then - It means the Microsoft play-it-right compatable. |
| 12:09:39 | MrShlee | eg plug it into a Xbox 360 and bingo. |
| 12:09:44 | Jungti1234 | ah! |
| 12:09:50 | Jungti1234 | I knew. |
| 12:10:25 | Jungti1234 | PMC-100 series for export is PMC-100 series. |
| 12:10:29 | Jungti1234 | oh |
| 12:10:37 | lch | Paul_The_Nerd: it looks like the H3x0 remotes are much better than the H1x0 remotes, what with the four-way pad and button. Do you know if the unit comes with one? |
| 12:10:47 | Jungti1234 | front is PMP |
| 12:10:49 | MrShlee | no LCD |
| 12:10:54 | MrShlee | on the H3 |
| 12:12:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | The H3x0 should come with a non-lcd remote. |
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| 12:12:44 | lch | So is this worth buying for $10? http://i1.ebayimg.com/04/i/05/9c/f7/7e_1.JPG |
| 12:12:56 | Jungti1234 | ah |
| 12:13:09 | Jungti1234 | It is LCD remote. |
| 12:13:23 | seablue | does that work 100% with rockbox? |
| 12:13:33 | MrShlee | 99% |
| 12:13:45 | seablue | okay |
| 12:13:53 | lamed | OMG 1 mb in 10 seconds! weehhheeee |
| 12:13:58 | MrShlee | Speaking of ebay.. I paid for something 2 weeks ago |
| 12:14:11 | Jungti1234 | -_-; |
| 12:14:21 | MrShlee | Does ReplayGain use much CPU/Batt life? |
| 12:14:59 | MrShlee | I've decided to totally reencode my whole cd collection with OGG/ReplayGain but is it worth the latter? |
| 12:15:05 | lch | hey! the H340 I bought looks like it comes iwth the FM transmitter, *and* the cradle, *and* the external battery pack! |
| 12:15:34 | MrShlee | yeah.. the H3XX comes with a whole bunch of neat crap |
| 12:15:51 | Jungti1234 | Why do you need FM transmitter? |
| 12:15:55 | lch | MrShlee: Don't mess around, do what I'm doing. Build a giant RAID array and re-encode your entire CD collection in FLAC. Then you can re-re-encode it in OGG any time you like. |
| 12:16:14 | lch | MrShlee: The H340s on the iRiver America site don't say they come with any of that. |
| 12:16:21 | MrShlee | haha Thats actually my dream.. Im building a MythTV/media box soon. |
| 12:16:38 | MrShlee | cradle/mic/external power/$80 headphones/power pack.. |
| 12:16:40 | MrShlee | Really? |
| 12:16:41 | lch | Jungti1234: it's for playing MP3s a car that doesn't have a "Line In" jack or a tape deck. |
| 12:17:03 | lch | MrShlee: they don't mention it, and you'd think they would. https://secure15.nexternal.com/shared/StoreFront/product_detail.asp?CS=iriver&RowID=103&All= |
| 12:18:17 | lch | MrShlee: mine is just for network file serving. I don't want to have to re-rip my CDs ever again (cross fingers). it's 1.6TB, RAID-6. |
| 12:18:25 | lch | (I have a lot of CDs.) |
| 12:19:08 | Slasheri | nice, i have 1.8TB raid-5 but backupping is a problem |
| 12:19:25 | lch | Yeah, you basically have to build another RAID if you want to back up. |
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| 12:24:13 | MrShlee | lch I have like 4000 cds.. I used to own a record shop :) |
| 12:24:56 | lch | MrShlee: congratulations, you have more than I do :) I'm not sure how many I have, it's gotta be 2500+ though. |
| 12:25:30 | Jungti1234 | MrShlee: You have much CD. :) |
| 12:25:34 | lch | MrShlee: still, I bet a 2TB RAID would store them all. |
| 12:26:04 | MrShlee | haha.. you couldn't fit that many FLAC on 2tb? |
| 12:26:09 | MrShlee | could you? o_0 |
| 12:26:10 | lch | FLAC gets about 40% compression, but most CDs aren't full anyway. So call it 3 per GB. |
| 12:26:24 | lch | 1TB = 1024GB |
| 12:26:53 | lch | so 4k CDs = 1.3TB (approximately) |
| 12:26:57 | MrShlee | might not be a stupid idea. |
| 12:27:10 | lch | I sort of hoped it wasn't, 'cause that's what I'm doing. :) |
| 12:27:32 | MrShlee | whats the down-cost of that RAID5 tho? |
| 12:27:58 | Jungti1234 | Doesn't fwpatcher work in windows 98? |
| 12:28:19 | lch | MrShlee: I built it myself. I already had a good Linux server, so it was just the drives and the controllers and a 4-in-3 thing for the front. |
| 12:28:28 | lch | MrShlee: total cost was on the order of $2k. |
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| 12:30:01 | lch | Paul_The_Nerd: so, if I'm a RockBox n00b, but a technical guy, could I handle the H3x0 port in its current state, or would I be better off to wait? |
| 12:30:37 | MrShlee | lch, I use the current state at the moment has my main firmware |
| 12:30:48 | MrShlee | its missing FM support and I have NO idea when they plan on fixing that.. |
| 12:30:53 | lch | MrShlee: you have an H3x0? |
| 12:30:56 | MrShlee | but its good at the moment |
| 12:30:58 | MrShlee | H340 |
| 12:31:53 | lch | well, FM is a nice-to-have, not a must-have. |
| 12:32:32 | lch | one last question before I put myself to bed. |
| 12:33:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ich: Speaking about rockbox in general, it's not as user friendly as some firmwares try to be. You have to get used to the idea that you're *always* using playlists to play your music. Even if there's not a file, there's one in memory. |
| 12:33:05 | lch | my old Archos FM Recorder *works*, except... when you turn it on, it always thinks it's hooked up to a USB host, and goes into USB slave mode. |
| 12:33:14 | Jungti1234 | lch: What time is there? |
| 12:33:28 | lch | Jungti1234: 3:30am. silicon valley, ca. |
| 12:33:33 | Jungti1234 | ow |
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| 12:34:20 | lch | Paul_The_Nerd: that's a lowercase-l, not a Capital-I, but I forgive you. anyway, I used to use RockBox on my Archos, during the small window when it *did* work, and I thought it was great. I'm more worried about the rough edges of the pre-release firmware, installation, etc. |
| 12:34:45 | lch | Anyway, someone on #rockbox here told me that the problem (iirc) was "weak / cracked solder joints". |
| 12:35:08 | lch | I have opened the thing up, and... now what? I don't see anything cracked-looking. |
| 12:35:21 | lch | I'm no soldering whiz. |
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| 12:35:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | lch: In that case, it's not too bad. You *might* want to wait for bootloader v3, as I hear there's a *few* rough edges around that. I haven't heard about a confirmed brick, but a few people have had to revert to stock firmware. Other than that, most of the rough edges seem to relate to the fact that it's only running at 90mhz instead of 120, so can't decode as fast as they'd like it to. |
| 12:36:21 | lch | Paul_The_Nerd: where did they get used to 120MHz? the H1x0 series? |
| 12:36:58 | ashridah | there are a few codecs that hit realtime and were then left as is. |
| 12:37:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | lch: The H1x0 and H3x0 both use the same processor, which I understand clocks up to 140, though they picked 124 if I recall as their "boost" speed, and 45 I think as their normal speed. But the H3x0 isn't stable while boosting if I understand correctly, so they had to cap it a bit lower. |
| 12:37:39 | linuxstb | ashridah: "a few" ? I thought only vorbis had problems on the h3x0. |
| 12:37:46 | ashridah | Paul_The_Nerd: the cpu can do 140, but heat tolerances stop it going higher |
| 12:37:58 | ashridah | linuxstb: i was being diplomatic :) |
| 12:38:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Has anyone tested MPC on H3x0 yet? |
| 12:38:29 | ashridah | Paul_The_Nerd: (higher than 120 i mean) |
| 12:39:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | ashridah: Yeah, I'd known it was due to heat reasons. And hey, that's fine with me. Having my MP3 player not start melting bits of itself and or otherwise failing is always a *plus* in firmware in my book. |
| 12:39:40 | ashridah | heh |
| 12:39:53 | MrShlee | my collection is with ogg and I havn't had any problem yet? unless I didn't notice/care |
| 12:39:56 | MrShlee | what problems? |
| 12:40:08 | lch | Considering that RockBox is supposed to be an improvement in all areas, it'd be a pity to add a "Causes your MP3 player to melt" row to the feature comparison matrix and have to put a big red mark in just RockBox's column. |
| 12:40:10 | ashridah | MrShlee: depends on the bitrate |
| 12:40:14 | Jungti1234 | What does *xxx* mean? |
| 12:40:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | MrShlee: It only concerns Q7+ oggs, it seems. |
| 12:40:32 | MrShlee | 160 to 230 VBR? |
| 12:40:36 | MrShlee | oohk |
| 12:40:41 | MrShlee | im encoding everything at 6 |
| 12:40:47 | ashridah | 1ch: it's a limitation of the hardware, but hardly a major hurdle. |
| 12:40:54 | MrShlee | best not be broken :) |
| 12:40:55 | lch | Jungti1234: That means you should pretend the characters are in a *bold* font. Some people also use slashes to mean /italics/. |
| 12:41:11 | ashridah | just means you have less cpu to run with. you don't want it running at max cpu speed 24x7 anyway, since that's a waste of battery |
| 12:41:14 | Jungti1234 | I don't work it. |
| 12:41:54 | MrShlee | I don't see why ogg should take more cycles but im guessing mp3 would be pretty tweaked after 11 years or sometihng. |
| 12:42:14 | ashridah | MrShlee: vorbis is a much more complicated codecthan mp3 |
| 12:42:21 | MrShlee | thus my love for it :) |
| 12:42:27 | ashridah | and as i say, they got it realtime, then stopped. |
| 12:42:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | I dunno lch. If you phrased it correctly. "MP3 player can be heated to the point that it is filled with burning liquid metal and then thrown to debilitate and or slay a foe" it almost sounds like a real feature. ;-) |
| 12:42:34 | ashridah | i forget who was working on it at the time. |
| 12:43:15 | MrShlee | Im sure I remember a lower tick decoder for vorbis. |
| 12:43:30 | lch | MrShlee: one nice thing (of many nice things) of an all-FLAC archive is that you can re-encode whenever you like without any signal degredation. so I can recode one way for portable players, and another for a hard disk I'd take to work. |
| 12:43:31 | ashridah | integer based? |
| 12:44:06 | MrShlee | has a weird name.. but I think it stole a wee bit of allocated memory :| |
| 12:44:25 | lch | "Tremor"? |
| 12:44:31 | MrShlee | lch whats the encode time per cd. |
| 12:44:42 | MrShlee | nope.. AuoVora or something.. |
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| 12:45:21 | MrShlee | but what is wrong with Tremor? too much of a memory hog? |
| 12:45:29 | lch | MrShlee: lousy. like ten minutes, on my 2GHz Athlon 64. |
| 12:45:47 | lch | there is a new "low memory" branch for Tremor. |
| 12:45:51 | lch | http://svn.xiph.org/branches/lowmem-branch/Tremor/ |
| 12:45:55 | MrShlee | mmm ok.. my 3500+ 939 should be better. |
| 12:46:06 | ashridah | MrShlee: it's difficult to optimise, although someone's working on it again |
| 12:46:33 | MrShlee | well *Two thumbs on my behalf* |
| 12:46:36 | linuxstb | lch: I'm pretty sure we used the lowmem branch, but I wasn't involved with it. |
| 12:46:53 | lch | linuxstb: k |
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| 12:47:39 | linuxstb | Maybe we didn't, the README file inside the Rockbox Tremor directory doesn't mention it - it just says Tremor 1.0.2 from SVN. |
| 12:48:12 | MrShlee | Tremor = videocodec isn't it :S |
| 12:48:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Tremore is a vorbis encoder |
| 12:48:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Tremor |
| 12:48:35 | lch | well, the one at the branch I just linked to says 1.0.0. which might be telling in its own right. |
| 12:48:59 | lch | Tremor is an integer playback decoder for Ogg Vorbis. |
| 12:49:17 | MrShlee | ok |
| 12:49:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | decoder |
| 12:49:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Argh. I seem to have lost that essential connection between thought and fingers. |
| 12:50:52 | lch | well, no thoughts on repairing my Archos FM Recorder? |
| 12:50:52 | MrShlee | Talk to developers in IRC. They usually are hanging around in #vorbis on irc.freenode.net. :) |
| 12:51:45 | ashridah | given that there's no malloc available in rockbox, i wouldn't have assumed that's a problem |
| 12:53:35 | ashridah | would have expected the fact that we just piled some critical regions into iram and then left it without optimising an mdct implementation for it |
| 12:53:43 | ashridah | to be the biggest issue |
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| 12:54:16 | lch | ah, well, I reckon not. |
| 12:54:24 | lch | thanks, y'all, hope my H340 shows up soon. |
| 12:54:25 | lch | g'night |
| 12:54:29 | ashridah | which is something that people are beginning to look at now |
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| 12:55:22 | Jungti1234 | http://www.lowing.org/fonts/ |
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| 13:05:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | "A qubyte with eight ions provides a computing matrix of 65536 mostly independent elements." There's something about the phrase "mostly independent elements" that worries me for some reason. |
| 13:05:35 | ashridah | ah, quantum computing is an interesting pickle. |
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| 13:06:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | I keep reading about quantum computing, and I keep thinking about how 'quantum' things often seem to also be 'uncertain' things and I start thinking "Wouldn't it be odd if you never knew something had been compiled until you looked, and then when you did it decided not to be?" |
| 13:06:53 | ashridah | quantum computing doesn't quite work that way. the actual method programming a quantum computer is a feat of ingenuity in and of itself. |
| 13:07:06 | ashridah | nevermind that they don't have a computer to run the program on yet |
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| 13:07:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 13:07:13 | ashridah | but when they do, cryptography is screwed |
| 13:07:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, I've actually done quite a bit of reading about it. |
| 13:07:37 | ashridah | i mean, finished in 1 minute screwed, no matter the size of the keys, costing no more than the effort needed to generate enough qubits |
| 13:07:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Apparently they've finally created the first entanglement of 8 qubits to make a qubyte, or so I read. |
| 13:07:48 | * | ashridah nods |
| 13:07:49 | ashridah | i read that too |
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| 13:08:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah well, there's some clever people in cryptography. Once it's no longer needed, they can apply that cleverness somewhere else. |
| 13:08:38 | merbanan | ashridah: well they have quantum encryption, hard to crack |
| 13:08:40 | cannard | rockbox? |
| 13:09:28 | ashridah | merbanan: that relies on a foolproof method of generating a one time pad tho (which is the only encryption that can't be broken by quantum computers) |
| 13:09:48 | Bagder | cannard: indeed! |
| 13:09:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, a one time pad has been the best way you can encrypt something for quite a long time. |
| 13:10:06 | ashridah | merbanan: that said, there is a way to do that, using a suitably qualitative optic fibre and a phone line, and a bunch of polarised photons and filters |
| 13:10:44 | merbanan | ashridah: I didn't say it would be easy or cheap :) |
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| 13:11:10 | ashridah | it's not perfect, but with enough bits, it's possible to get 99.99999999% sure no-one's stolen the key. |
| 13:12:16 | markun | Bagder: I could commit the unicode patch and disable arabic support for the recorder until the compressed rockbox is build |
| 13:12:22 | ashridah | which, given that humans are stupid is pretty good :) |
| 13:12:57 | Bagder | markun: I'm not the man to ask/talk to about it, since I have not checked out the unicode stuff at all |
| 13:13:03 | merbanan | ashridah: well, that's one thing that won't change in the future |
| 13:13:07 | Nixsos | where can i find the documentation of the ./apps/plugin.h file? |
| 13:13:17 | MrShlee | most of it relies on nanoseconds of time.. to make sure the signal isnt monitors. they can detect the smallest change in latacy. |
| 13:13:56 | markun | Bagder: I was more or less waiting till you would change the makefiles to make a compressed rockbox for the player. I wouldn't know where to start :) |
| 13:14:18 | Bagder | markun: I'm waiting for more feedback from amiconn on that |
| 13:14:21 | ashridah | merbanan: exactly, it's easier to just bribe or kill someone |
| 13:16:39 | markun | Bagder: ok, he'll probably read this and give you more feedback :) |
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| 13:18:49 | Jungti1234 | -_-; |
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| 13:33:37 | MrShlee | *Sings Spam Spam Spam Spam Lovely Spam* |
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| 13:34:12 | Jungti1234 | haha |
| 13:34:37 | Bagder | and baked beans! |
| 13:35:26 | Jungti1234 | ¾Æ³ö ÇѱÛÀ» ¾²°í½Í´Ù |
| 13:35:56 | * | Bagder suspects Jungti1234 fell asleep and that was the result of his head on the keyboard |
| 13:36:17 | Jungti1234 | _−− no!! |
| 13:37:07 | Bagder | don't be shy, admit it! |
| 13:37:10 | Bagder | :-) |
| 13:37:26 | Jungti1234 | hehehe |
| 13:37:56 | Jungti1234 | In fact, I'm tired. |
| 13:38:19 | Jungti1234 | I had gone to DMZ today. |
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| 13:39:10 | ashridah | demilitarized zone? |
| 13:39:27 | MrShlee | Cisco router? |
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| 13:39:29 | Jungti1234 | yes |
| 13:39:30 | * | ashridah wonders why Jungti1234 needed to travel to get to a firewall |
| 13:39:39 | ashridah | :) |
| 13:39:57 | mirak | hey |
| 13:39:59 | mirak | anyone know how much can host the wiki ? |
| 13:40:03 | Jungti1234 | Is it strange? |
| 13:40:17 | Bagder | mirak: how much what? |
| 13:40:25 | ashridah | Jungti1234: we're poking fun at you. I assume you mean the border between north and south korea? |
| 13:40:50 | Jungti1234 | right |
| 13:40:55 | MrShlee | mirak.. a basic wiki requires apache with php as a base. Some use mysql but thats a little overkill. |
| 13:41:03 | ashridah | Jungti1234: how far is that trip from where you live? |
| 13:41:11 | MrShlee | pmwiki is a GREAT wiki for most projects |
| 13:41:15 | Bagder | our wiki is perl |
| 13:41:26 | Jungti1234 | ashridah: A little far. |
| 13:41:27 | Bagder | twiki |
| 13:41:36 | MrShlee | Im a pmwiki fan.. I've modded it for like 6 pages I've made. works great |
| 13:42:11 | mirak | Bagder: the size in mega bytes |
| 13:42:49 | mirak | Bagder: that's about the doxygen doc that I find usefull |
| 13:42:58 | mirak | to browse and understand the code |
| 13:43:11 | Bagder | mirak: well, if people add lots, it will grow lots |
| 13:43:14 | mirak | I think it's to big anyway ^^ |
| 13:43:27 | Jungti1234 | oh.. ^^ |
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| 13:43:39 | mirak | the autogenrated doc is like a mini website |
| 13:43:41 | Bagder | rockbox's wiki seems to be about 155MB |
| 13:43:46 | mirak | autogenerated |
| 13:43:57 | mirak | badger ok lol, the doc is already that size |
| 13:44:05 | Jungti1234 | Orientals use often '^^'. |
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| 13:44:33 | Jungti1234 | bye all |
| 13:44:35 | Zagor | Bagder: that's excluding the attachments. in total it's about 750 MB. |
| 13:44:39 | Bagder | yes, I just noticed |
| 13:44:43 | Jungti1234 | I see TV. |
| 13:44:46 | ashridah | whoa |
| 13:45:01 | Jungti1234 | bye |
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| 13:45:07 | Bagder | lots of huge attachments |
| 13:45:20 | mirak | Bagder: pictures etcetera that's true |
| 13:45:25 | Zagor | mirak: please use your real name when registering in the wiki |
| 13:45:33 | mirak | Zagor: lol, I am busted |
| 13:46:03 | mirak | Zagor: I don't want my pseudonyme to be bound to my name |
| 13:46:11 | MrShlee | doxygen is good tho.. but you NEED to keep the code commented |
| 13:46:16 | Zagor | then don't write your pseudonym |
| 13:46:20 | ashridah | then don't use your pseudonym in |
| 13:46:22 | ashridah | it |
| 13:46:33 | mirak | MrShlee: even without comments that's still very usefull to browse the code |
| 13:46:39 | mirak | ashridah: yep |
| 13:46:39 | Bagder | I never see any good doxygen docs |
| 13:46:57 | mirak | can I use a fake name ? |
| 13:47:09 | mirak | what's the point in using my real name ? |
| 13:47:14 | Zagor | why? are you a feared criminal? |
| 13:49:39 | mirak | I am ossama |
| 13:49:40 | MrShlee | not so much feared.. |
| 13:49:51 | mirak | mmm you removed my account ? |
| 13:49:56 | Moos | mirak: do you shame your arabic name? |
| 13:50:03 | MrShlee | in that case.. not much of a criminal |
| 13:50:24 | Zagor | mirak: "We will delete your registration without notice if you break this rule." |
| 13:50:54 | MrShlee | mirak show me a good working example of doxygen? |
| 13:51:19 | mirak | MrShlee: I can show you what I generated, but depends what you exept |
| 13:51:23 | mirak | Zagor: I will change it |
| 13:51:51 | MrShlee | plain html it. |
| 13:52:59 | mirak | mirak.homelinux.net/~karim/public/rockdoxy_En/html/">http://mirak.homelinux.net/~karim/public/rockdoxy_En/html/ |
| 13:53:10 | MrShlee | http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/api/html/index.html thats pretty funked |
| 13:53:20 | mirak | there is some werid things like flack as main page |
| 13:54:10 | mirak | MrShlee: well I found it usefull for me. That's still better than browsing cvs or using emacs. That's my opinion only |
| 13:55:20 | mirak | that's parametrable. What I did was maybe a bit heavy on the graphs |
| 13:55:53 | mirak | I also inlined the code function instead of having to follow references to the *.c files |
| 13:56:28 | markun | mirak: your nick is your name spelled backwards? |
| 13:57:10 | mirak | markun: yes |
| 13:57:23 | linuxstb | mirak: How does doxygen deal with the 14 different devices, target/x11sim/win32sim versions and normal/debug builds? |
| 13:57:38 | mirak | hum, I am not sure how to edit my preferences |
| 13:58:24 | mirak | linuxstb: I think there is preprocessor handeling, but that's just to browse and have a global view of the project |
| 13:58:39 | mirak | linuxstb: maybe you should try it and genrated things according to what you need |
| 13:59:06 | linuxstb | I've lived happily without it. I'm just curious how it could work. |
| 13:59:07 | mirak | I used doxygen because I couldn't find a good IDE to browse code and learn it |
| 13:59:42 | mirak | well first time I used it was to understand how emule was coded. emule is a real mess :-/ |
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| 14:00:23 | mirak | I have noticed it can produce UML diagrams. I am not sure what it would be like for C language |
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| 14:00:56 | MrShlee | UML is an annoyance. |
| 14:00:59 | MrShlee | never seen it done right. |
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| 14:01:23 | mirak | in open source project that's not common |
| 14:01:54 | mirak | almost impossible imho for open source |
| 14:02:27 | mirak | I mean open source collaborative programming on the web |
| 14:04:06 | Nixsos | i don't really like doxygen's output... it looks kinda bloated |
| 14:04:11 | mirak | help, I can't find ow to change my profile |
| 14:05:10 | mirak | Nixsos: I am not trying to sell doxygen, but that's parametrable |
| 14:05:46 | Nixsos | mirak: i know, i guess it's better then nothing at all |
| 14:06:57 | Nixsos | what about MSDN's documentation style? |
| 14:07:11 | MrShlee | I've been looking for a OS MSDN clone. |
| 14:07:55 | MrShlee | I think having doxygen would be a good idea BUT would it handle the continuious changes. or need to re-organise itsel? |
| 14:08:10 | mirak | Nixsos: I would have used visual c++ as an alternative but I am on linux |
| 14:08:33 | mirak | MrShlee: we would need to regenerate the code |
| 14:09:03 | mirak | MrShlee: doing it everyday is not a very good idea |
| 14:09:24 | mirak | sorry, I can't edit my account |
| 14:09:30 | mirak | I am an assisted person |
| 14:09:36 | MrShlee | RESYNC the tree every few days might be a good option |
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| 14:12:04 | mirak | it's a bit long to generate, and a bit BIG |
| 14:12:06 | mirak | ^^ |
| 14:12:48 | Bagder | long? |
| 14:13:03 | Bagder | how can running doxygen take very long? |
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| 14:13:24 | Bagder | or what did I miss? ;-) |
| 14:13:50 | mirak | it took half an hour on a a64 3000 |
| 14:14:11 | mirak | but I generated a graph for each attribute |
| 14:14:13 | Bagder | for how much code? the entire rockbox tree? |
| 14:14:13 | mirak | and method |
| 14:14:18 | mirak | that's maybe not usefull |
| 14:14:21 | mirak | yep |
| 14:14:27 | Bagder | 200K lines source code |
| 14:14:40 | Bagder | that's not long by my way of counting ;-) |
| 14:14:43 | mirak | I have a problem with the wiki, I can't reset my password |
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| 14:18:33 | Zagor | mirak: what happens when you try? |
| 14:19:04 | mirak | Zagor: wrong password. I created a new account with an accurate name. I sent a mail to say to delete the other one |
| 14:19:36 | Zagor | i've already done that |
| 14:22:19 | mirak | I as trying to change it without succes during all this time ... |
| 14:22:23 | mirak | was |
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| 14:41:47 | Lamed | bug: load a playlist with dead links. causes the player to stop responding & h.d to always spin. you can shut down by holding the stop button. most annoying part is if you had 'resume on startup' on, you won't be able to cancel the loading. |
| 14:41:48 | Bagder | I got a private reply about a rockbox bug report |
| 14:42:00 | Bagder | without any mention which report he refers to |
| 14:42:09 | Bagder | great |
| 14:43:27 | linuxstb | Lamed: Is that a playlist where every entry points to a non-existent file? |
| 14:44:21 | Lamed | yeah |
| 14:44:45 | preglow | Lamed: i think that was fixed yesterday... |
| 14:44:55 | Lamed | i'll check |
| 14:45:08 | Lamed | it happend about the day before. |
| 14:46:42 | Lamed | preglow: do you know if anyone went through my patch? |
| 14:55:11 | markun | Lamed: what patch did you make? |
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| 14:59:41 | MrShlee | im guessing there isn't a nice and easy way to create skins.. |
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| 15:00:26 | Bagder | only if you count the current themes as skins |
| 15:00:44 | MrShlee | same thing different name :) |
| 15:02:09 | Kingstone | it's rockbox.org? |
| 15:02:10 | Lamed | markum: why did you reverted the pause...? |
| 15:02:40 | LinusN | Lamed: we beat him into submission |
| 15:03:05 | LinusN | Kingstone: ? |
| 15:03:14 | Lamed | ..i assume it wasn't discussed before? |
| 15:03:43 | Lamed | (linusn) |
| 15:03:56 | Lamed | markum: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=439120&group_id=44306&aid=1360892 |
| 15:04:10 | LinusN | i actually approved the commit, but we later decided that we didn't like it |
| 15:05:45 | Lamed | imho without really looking at it working, it seems like a good idea. |
| 15:06:48 | Lamed | quick poll: what do you use to sync computer / player? |
| 15:06:55 | Bagder | rsync |
| 15:07:01 | Zagor | rsync |
| 15:07:14 | LinusN | cp |
| 15:07:37 | crwl | cp |
| 15:07:47 | CoCoLUS | drag and drop :) |
| 15:07:53 | crwl | no, in fact i mostly use oggenc |
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| 15:07:56 | crwl | and cp for mp3 files |
| 15:08:03 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 15:08:16 | crwl | (i encode to my CD's to FLAC) |
| 15:08:35 | preglow | i don't sync, i just copy what i think i'm going to want to listen to |
| 15:08:39 | preglow | and delete when i grow tired of it |
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| 15:12:05 | Lamed | preglow: wow. that's silly. |
| 15:12:09 | preglow | why? |
| 15:12:13 | Lamed | :P |
| 15:12:23 | preglow | haven't got enough space for all my music anyway |
| 15:12:28 | Lamed | how much music do you own? |
| 15:12:30 | preglow | and that's all my legally owned music i'm talking about |
| 15:12:36 | Lamed | hehe |
| 15:12:52 | Lamed | gigs? |
| 15:13:00 | preglow | god knows, i'm not at home right now |
| 15:13:46 | Lamed | ah. |
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| 15:14:22 | Lamed | can you direct me to a place i can read about decibels and why are they marked from - to zero? |
| 15:14:48 | MrShlee | The idea of encoding my collection again is a scary task.. |
| 15:14:51 | MrShlee | but its going to be worth it. |
| 15:14:52 | Zagor | decibel isn't. attenuation is. |
| 15:14:54 | MrShlee | soo worth it! |
| 15:14:58 | cannard | beat me to it |
| 15:15:33 | MrShlee | is there a howto for WPS? |
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| 15:16:33 | MrShlee | also.. I've successfully flashed 1.29-EU with V2 |
| 15:16:37 | MrShlee | works like a charm. |
| 15:17:31 | Lamed | zagor: ok. so what's the max decible you can record at? |
| 15:17:35 | preglow | Lamed: 0 |
| 15:17:49 | preglow | Lamed: if you're speaking digital, 0db always means the max level before you clip |
| 15:18:36 | preglow | -6db is half full scale |
| 15:18:42 | preglow | -12db is a quarter full scale |
| 15:20:02 | Lamed | what's totally silence then? (and you're talking about 'attenuation' again, right?) |
| 15:20:11 | preglow | -infinity |
| 15:20:31 | preglow | you can't express total silence in decibels and still use a finite number |
| 15:20:44 | preglow | -oo dB = all zeros |
| 15:21:49 | Zagor | 0db is total silence if you're talking sound pressure (instead of attenuation) |
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| 15:22:46 | Zagor | but attenuation is relative, hence the - sign |
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| 15:23:05 | TiMiD | hi ! |
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| 15:24:30 | Lamed | when we're talking about volume increasing and decreasing, in those systems that uses - to zero values, we're talking attenuation, and that's how much you decrease from the full scale, which would be using zero. you thoreticly pass the zero to a positive number, but then when the (real?) decibel pressure of the track goes high (near full) you'll get clipping. right? |
| 15:25:04 | DocBrown | LinusN: Hi! I have been very busy last 2 days, could not experiment with the bootloader. But I saw from the logs that you found a workaround? |
| 15:25:05 | preglow | yes |
| 15:25:09 | Lamed | you thoreticly pass the zero = theoraticly _can_ pass |
| 15:25:35 | preglow | Lamed: sure, you can pass the zero if the data type you use has enough room, but then you need to scale it before passing it to the dac, or you'll get clipping |
| 15:25:54 | LinusN | DocBrown: i have found what makes it behave badly, but i have yet to find out why |
| 15:26:50 | DocBrown | LinusN: So there seems to be a difference in hardware, right? |
| 15:26:59 | Lamed | ok then, why do both attenuation & decibels use DB sign? |
| 15:27:19 | LinusN | DocBrown: yes, somehow |
| 15:27:34 | preglow | Lamed: because it's a nice way to represent gains and attenuations. it compacts a very large number space into a small one |
| 15:28:14 | preglow | Lamed: instead of saying you gain something by 0.000045, you can say you gain something by -80 dB (fictional example, but orders of magnitude are almost righT) |
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| 15:36:56 | DocBrown | LinusN: What is the differende in booting time? |
| 15:38:43 | Lamed | so, there's no real way to acctually determine how strong is the output in decibels, and thus using a scale of 0 - 100 is quite the same. insnt so? |
| 15:39:06 | MrShlee | any update on boosting the output on the irivers? |
| 15:39:21 | Bagder | boosting output? |
| 15:39:32 | MrShlee | 100% is loud but could be louder.. even tho the quality seems better then offical firmware |
| 15:39:48 | Bagder | then lower your bass/treble |
| 15:39:55 | MrShlee | but that might be a placebo effect of using rockbox |
| 15:40:14 | Lamed | that's because of the prescaling |
| 15:40:25 | Lamed | its different in rockbox then the official firmware |
| 15:40:35 | Bagder | different decoders too |
| 15:40:59 | Lamed | with the official firmware when you put the volume to the max, your bass setting automaticly drops. |
| 15:41:28 | mirak | hi |
| 15:41:42 | Lamed | (preglow: acctually, I've checked, and there is a slight diffrence between bass set to full / without even with volume set to max using org. fw) |
| 15:41:43 | mirak | the linux patcher can only be obtained from CVS right ? |
| 15:41:58 | Bagder | or any source package |
| 15:42:08 | Bagder | like daily or bleeding I mean |
| 15:42:18 | mirak | I have CVS it should be ok |
| 15:45:03 | mirak | when I try to build for H300 I get that error : as: unrecognized option `-m5200' |
| 15:45:19 | mirak | it happnes on backlight.c, one of the first file |
| 15:45:21 | Bagder | and how did you build your cross-compiler? |
| 15:45:36 | mirak | I followed the wiki |
| 15:45:41 | mirak | maybe bad |
| 15:45:55 | mirak | Using m68k-elf-gcc 3.4.4 (304) |
| 15:46:01 | mirak | I have the cross compiler |
| 15:46:27 | Lamed | new |
| 15:46:27 | Lamed | line? |
| 15:46:31 | Lamed | -cool |
| 15:46:32 | mirak | what ? |
| 15:46:48 | linuxstb | mirak: What about binutils? Which version is m68k-elf-as |
| 15:46:50 | mirak | in the make file ? |
| 15:46:50 | Lamed | i |
| 15:46:51 | Lamed | can |
| 15:46:51 | Lamed | newline |
| 15:49:55 | mirak | ok it wasn't in the pas |
| 15:49:56 | mirak | path |
| 15:52:41 | mirak | weird I have some binaries in it, and some are no |
| 15:52:42 | mirak | not |
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| 16:01:28 | Noel_sad_song | Hi ppl!!! As I saw the news I tried to patch the 1.66 but still doesn't work... Has it not been released yet? |
| 16:03:42 | markun | Noel_sad_song: Did you use the windows patcher? |
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| 16:05:02 | Noel_sad_song | I downloaded the fwpatcher.exe from iriverboot |
| 16:05:12 | Noel_sad_song | is that what you mean? |
| 16:05:44 | markun | yes, I don't think it's updated yet. |
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| 16:07:17 | preglow | FWPatcher - added support for H1x0 v1.66 and H3x0 v1.29 |
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| 16:08:24 | Noel_sad_song | that is why I gave it a try... but I guess it's being tested or sth... |
| 16:08:25 | Bagder | someone just verified the 1.66 EU patch |
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| 16:15:22 | Noel_sad_song | what do you mean Bagder? sorry I didn't get it :-/ |
| 16:15:43 | Bagder | there are people on the wiki page saying it worked for them |
| 16:16:05 | lostlogicx | Rockbox build query: I have a set of profiling functions designed to be called using gcc's -finstrument-functions switch, these functions reside in firmware/profile.c with header in firmware/export/profile.h How can I make codecs link against them properly? Or do I have to biuld a separate profile library that both librockbox and lib<Codec> link against? (thread.c and timer.c also need to call back to profiling functions) |
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| 16:17:45 | linuxstb | You should probably export the functions via the codec API. |
| 16:18:03 | linuxstb | Or move your profile functions into the codec library. |
| 16:19:28 | lostlogicx | linuxstb: want to be able to proflie system things too eventually maybe. I'll export them in the codec API and the plugin API... now on with the rehacking the build system to support all of this, and configuring profiling per-plugin / per-codec. Thanks. |
| 16:20:48 | lostlogicx | Oh, another thought: Want to rehack timer.c to support timers that DO or DO NOT rescale when the CPU clock changes, good idea or bad idea? |
| 16:23:15 | mirak | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/home/karim/Prog/src/rockbox/rockbox/docs/CREDITS', needed by `/home/karim/Prog/src/rockbox/rockbox/buildir/apps/plugins/credits.raw'. Stop. |
| 16:23:19 | mirak | I got that error |
| 16:23:38 | mirak | when building |
| 16:23:55 | Bagder | use 'make V=1' to diagnose |
| 16:24:19 | Bagder | but it looks like you don't have the docs dir or something |
| 16:24:43 | mirak | yeah I don't have it |
| 16:25:29 | mirak | Bagder: should be in the root ? |
| 16:25:33 | Bagder | yes |
| 16:25:52 | Bagder | cvs co docs |
| 16:29:27 | mirak | Bagder: thanks. it worked. |
| 16:29:46 | mirak | I am not sure what I built noow O_o |
| 16:30:07 | mirak | shouldn't I have a .rockbox folder or something resembling to that ? |
| 16:30:12 | Bagder | no |
| 16:30:25 | mirak | a binary ? |
| 16:30:41 | Bagder | yes |
| 16:30:43 | mirak | oh yeah sorry |
| 16:30:50 | mirak | it's not executable |
| 16:30:53 | Bagder | use 'make zip' to make a package to install |
| 16:30:58 | mirak | was not in green in the terminal |
| 16:31:06 | mirak | thanks |
| 16:31:35 | Lamed | how do i &> into file and both into the screen or into | more? |
| 16:31:44 | LinusN | tee |
| 16:31:53 | Bagder | | tee filename | more |
| 16:32:02 | LinusN | (which i *bet* is not in the devkit) :-) |
| 16:32:07 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 16:32:20 | Lamed | tt, wail i'll tell you if it is... |
| 16:32:37 | Bagder | but more is? |
| 16:32:51 | Lamed | yep. stop mucking at it... |
| 16:33:05 | Lamed | (doesn't have which though) |
| 16:33:17 | Lamed | has tee |
| 16:33:25 | LinusN | wow |
| 16:33:28 | Lamed | hehe |
| 16:33:41 | linuxstb | Does it have less? |
| 16:36:07 | Lamed | stop mucking at it |
| 16:36:14 | Lamed | :P |
| 16:36:48 | Lamed | it's _really_ hard to get around an unknown platform |
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| 16:37:35 | mirak | what's the method to build the firmware patcher for linux ? |
| 16:37:52 | Bagder | the exact same, just select bootloader with configure |
| 16:38:29 | Bagder | then follow the steps on the IriverBoot page to make the actual patched iriver hex file |
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| 16:39:40 | mirak | I mean the patcher |
| 16:39:49 | mirak | not bootloader, even if that was usefull :p |
| 16:40:13 | mirak | fwpatcher Bagder |
| 16:40:45 | Bagder | build the bootloader bin |
| 16:40:47 | Bagder | first |
| 16:40:54 | LinusN | mirak: to build the patcher, you need to download the three bootloader bin files from the wiki |
| 16:41:09 | mirak | Bagder: it's done |
| 16:41:11 | LinusN | put them in the same dir as the patcher and type "make" |
| 16:41:27 | LinusN | mirak: do NOT build your own bootloader.bin |
| 16:41:37 | mirak | LinusN: yeah I heard that |
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| 16:41:51 | _FireFly_ | hi TiMiD :) |
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| 16:42:41 | San | anything new lads? |
| 16:44:03 | mirak | LinusN: I miss something, it talks about mingw31 |
| 16:44:08 | mirak | i586-mingw32msvc-windres -v resource.rc resource.o |
| 16:44:17 | Bagder | mirak: yes, since it builds a windows tool |
| 16:44:23 | LinusN | yes, you need a win32 cross compiler |
| 16:44:40 | mirak | lol |
| 16:44:45 | LinusN | mirak: why do you want to build fwpatcher? |
| 16:45:13 | mirak | that's not the procedure ? |
| 16:45:25 | Bagder | to do what? |
| 16:45:30 | mirak | how do I get a patched firmware |
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| 16:45:56 | Bagder | did you read IriverBoot ? |
| 16:46:10 | Bagder | you should |
| 16:46:20 | Bagder | it explains how to get rockbox installed |
| 16:46:31 | mirak | I am on it |
| 16:46:42 | Bagder | once you've installed the bootloader, you only upgrade files - no more flashing |
| 16:46:51 | _FireFly_ | then there is explaned how to do it under linux to get the firmware patched |
| 16:47:52 | mirak | _FireFly_: where ? |
| 16:48:14 | mirak | Bagder: I think I got that point, but to do it on linux I don't know |
| 16:48:27 | Bagder | that page describes it |
| 16:48:49 | _FireFly_ | mirak: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot#Patching_the_iriver_firmware |
| 16:48:50 | Bagder | at least it did |
| 16:48:54 | _FireFly_ | it does |
| 16:49:02 | _FireFly_ | it seams he is a bit blind ;) |
| 16:49:02 | Bagder | right, that's the part |
| 16:50:01 | mirak | I agree I am blind because I don't see it |
| 16:50:18 | Bagder | click on _FireFly_'s latest URL |
| 16:50:26 | Bagder | takes you right to the step-by-step |
| 16:50:43 | mirak | I was on it |
| 16:50:51 | Bagder | and what's wrong with it? |
| 16:50:52 | mirak | it's not said it's for linnux |
| 16:51:05 | Bagder | it works the same on all oses |
| 16:51:06 | mirak | but now I know it |
| 16:51:19 | mirak | why is there a patcher.exe for windows ? |
| 16:51:24 | Bagder | its just that windows has an alternative more fancy version as well |
| 16:51:33 | mirak | in fact I exepted that. that was misleading |
| 16:51:37 | mirak | ok |
| 16:51:53 | _FireFly_ | Bagder: it wouldn't be too hard to make a shell-script to do it |
| 16:51:59 | Bagder | nope |
| 16:52:46 | markun | mirak: maybe you can update the page to make it clearer if you think it's not |
| 16:52:48 | mirak | can I just change the arch PREFIX ? |
| 16:52:53 | linuxstb | fwpatcher probably works fine under Wine as well. |
| 16:53:07 | mirak | markun: ok, once I figure how to use the wiki ;) |
| 16:53:09 | _FireFly_ | mirak: which PREFIX ?? |
| 16:53:24 | mirak | #value for crosscompiling on linux |
| 16:53:24 | mirak | PREFIX=i586-mingw32msvc- |
| 16:53:34 | mirak | why a crosscompile is only possible ? |
| 16:53:42 | Bagder | mirak: fwpatcher is a windows tool |
| 16:53:59 | mirak | you mean the source etcetera ? |
| 16:54:00 | Bagder | feel free to write one for linux or port fwpatcher |
| 16:54:28 | Kohlrabi | Can anyone tell me if midi-playback (or midi2wav) works on iRiver? |
| 16:54:34 | Kohlrabi | And how, if it does? :) |
| 16:54:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | It doesn't yet. |
| 16:54:46 | Kohlrabi | ahke |
| 16:55:03 | Kohlrabi | too bad, I'm in MI2-mood again :) |
| 16:55:05 | mirak | Bagder: that's a gui tool ? |
| 16:55:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | It will convert a midi to a wav, but it doesn't write the file to disk. It's more of a benchmark. |
| 16:55:11 | Bagder | mirak: yes |
| 16:55:22 | mirak | ok, I though it was command line |
| 16:55:25 | Kohlrabi | ah, OK, thx |
| 16:55:27 | Bagder | mirak: with the rockbox bootloader images built-in |
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| 16:55:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | As far as I know, the code's all there, and with some optimizing it could become a codec. |
| 16:55:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I'm by no means an authority on it. |
| 16:55:51 | mirak | Bagder: the gui part cannot be striped out ? |
| 16:56:07 | Bagder | mirak: yes, and those tools exist already |
| 16:56:15 | Bagder | as the wiki page describes |
| 16:56:56 | mirak | as you noticed I have problems reading the wiki |
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| 16:57:10 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot#Patching_the_iriver_firmware |
| 16:57:25 | Bagder | descramble, mkboot, scramble |
| 16:57:26 | Bagder | done |
| 16:57:54 | mirak | oh yeah, we figured that together for me 10 minutes ago |
| 16:57:56 | mirak | ^^ |
| 16:58:15 | Bagder | the fwpatcher does those operations, with a gui |
| 16:58:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | The fwpatcher also checks the checksums internally too, doesn't it? |
| 16:58:36 | Bagder | yes |
| 16:58:56 | markun | mirak: download the rockbox source and run 'make' in tools. It will give you descramble, mkboot, scramble |
| 16:59:15 | mirak | markun: it's ok, I have that |
| 16:59:17 | Bagder | not anymore ;-) |
| 16:59:23 | Bagder | run make in the build dir now |
| 16:59:29 | markun | Ah, yes :) |
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| 17:01:31 | mirak | it's ok, I have it, thanks |
| 17:01:34 | mirak | with good md5 |
| 17:04:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why does it call the 100/110/115 iHP but the 120/140 H120 and H140 in configure? |
| 17:05:04 | Bagder | an attempt to scam money from casual readers! |
| 17:05:07 | Bagder | ;*) |
| 17:05:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 17:05:22 | Bagder | no reason really, it just ended up like that |
| 17:05:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mine *clearly* says iHP-120 on the front. :-P |
| 17:05:52 | Bagder | mine says H140 |
| 17:06:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't think Hewlett Packard should've been able to sue effectively. |
| 17:06:59 | mirak | ok it works on my H300 |
| 17:07:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | You *shouldn't* be able to own an abbreviation. |
| 17:07:11 | mirak | with 1.29 kr |
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| 17:08:26 | Febs | Paul_The_Nerd: Why not? An abbreviation can become associated with a particular company or product in the mind of the public as much as any other word. |
| 17:08:28 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: Hewlett Packard also have a product called HP 120. |
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| 17:10:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Febs: So that should prevent others with something that validly abbreviates to the same thing from using it. Or even an abbreviation that contains there? |
| 17:10:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, it's not like they called it HP-120, but rather iHP-120. iRiver Harddisk Player, probably. |
| 17:12:02 | * | Paul_The_Nerd shrugs |
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| 17:13:13 | mirak | funny, the scroll speed text exemple is to short to have a scrolling :) |
| 17:14:17 | Febs | Paul_The_Nerd: that is the nature of a trademark. If a word or phrase or marking has gained secondary meaning (i.e., the public associates it with a particular brand, product or company) then that company can claim trademark protection. |
| 17:14:42 | * | Febs notes that his knowledge is limited to the U.S. |
| 17:15:09 | Febs | IBM comes to mind as an example. |
| 17:15:35 | Febs | MS-DOS as another. |
| 17:15:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Febs: But you still have to prove that there's potential for confusion when trying to assert trademark infringement |
| 17:15:59 | Febs | Absolutely. |
| 17:16:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | The iRiver players are pretty clearly marked as non HP branded |
| 17:16:57 | Febs | But you're iriver, you need to weigh the cost of defending an infringement claim and the risk of losing against the cost of rebranding the product. |
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| 17:17:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | True, it was cheaper for them. |
| 17:17:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | It just seem ridiculous that there was even any risk to them at all. |
| 17:18:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah well. The iHP line is dead anyway. I don't think the H10 is reasonably a descendent of it. |
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| 17:19:09 | Febs | I agree. The H10 is a different branch on the iriver tree. |
| 17:19:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Apparently it's supposed to be the first DAP that officially interacts with the new XBox 360. |
| 17:20:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Now there's an unholy union if ever I heard of one. |
| 17:21:09 | Febs | Hmmpph. From what I read on Mistic River, the H10 has trouble interacting with its own firmware. |
| 17:21:23 | linuxstb | Is the H10 a portalplayer device? |
| 17:21:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: I think so. |
| 17:22:06 | LinusN | yes it is |
| 17:22:14 | Febs | Apparently so: http://dapreview.net/comment.php?comment.news.2633 |
| 17:22:19 | linuxstb | Then it's crying out for a Rockbox port. A _lot_ of the ipod code will work on there as well. |
| 17:22:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
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| 17:26:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | It'd be pretty well received, I imagine |
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| 17:28:23 | Amar | Is there a page that explains how to write plugins for rockbox including how to specify which models it works on? |
| 17:30:02 | linuxstb | Amar: Not as far as I know. You just need to look at the source for the existing plugins, and ask questions here. |
| 17:31:07 | mirak | ok, I have one grief about rockbox |
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| 17:31:33 | Nixsos | Amar: i'm currently working on a plugin myself.. maybe we can help eachother |
| 17:31:38 | mirak | it's just that when the backlight is off, and you press a key, this key have an effect |
| 17:31:46 | mirak | unless it's parametrable |
| 17:31:53 | mirak | not sure yet |
| 17:32:20 | Amar | linuxstb: I have been looking at the code, the bit i don't get:how to specify which models it works on? |
| 17:32:27 | mirak | on the original firmware, pressing a button just enable the light, without going throu |
| 17:32:49 | linuxstb | Amar: Generally speaking, you don't. Plugins should work on all devices. |
| 17:33:24 | Amar | thanks, i'll keep trying |
| 17:33:25 | Nixsos | Amar: which device are you targetting? |
| 17:33:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | mirak: Right now, pressing a button always goes through. The toggling hold on and then off again should turn on the backlight without doing anything. |
| 17:33:40 | linuxstb | The idea is to make your plugin adjust itself to different types of targets - e.g. using LCD_WIDTH and LCD_HEIGHT to adjust the display to different LCDs |
| 17:33:59 | mirak | Paul_The_Nerd: yep, that's what I did ;) |
| 17:34:07 | Amar | i use a h300, but if it can work on others i am not bothered |
| 17:34:23 | mirak | Amar: what the plugin you want to write ? |
| 17:36:01 | Amar | mirak: verry specialised, probabaly not of any use to anyone else but just as a leaning project |
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| 17:37:19 | Amar | mirak: it will be based around a stopwach, thet can predict the finish time of a realay race |
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| 17:40:45 | Febs | I've been using the REC button to toggle the backlight. |
| 17:42:25 | Febs | I like that the other buttons respond immediately without having to press once to light the backlight and another time to do whatever you're trying to do. |
| 17:42:57 | NicoFR | I find it nice now that I'm used to it |
| 17:43:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | With iRiver FW, if you pressed a button on the remote, did it react instantly, or turn on the light? |
| 17:43:55 | NicoFR | react instantly IIRC |
| 17:43:59 | Febs | With the original FW, there were a number of times that I inadvertently left the player running until the battery died because I pressed the stop button only once instead of twice. |
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| 17:51:01 | mirak | is there a way to invert the bootloader choice of os ? |
| 17:51:07 | Slasheri | hehe, i started just coding morse support for rockbox keyboard input :) should be ready soon |
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| 17:56:11 | LinusN | Amar: i suggest you look at the existing stopwatch plugin |
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| 17:57:40 | Amar | LinusN:looking and roughly following what is going on |
| 17:57:50 | LinusN | good |
| 17:59:20 | Philip | Slasheri: for USB keyboard and H300 :o |
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| 18:12:46 | Lamed | i've just recompiled the updated code (goddamn configure/makefile changes.... arghhhh... took me a long long time). Thanks for the recording peak meter! i was so waiting for that! -and about the credits plugin missing the usb reconization. it's definetly a bug: if you'll exit the credit screen, you still won't get synced. |
| 18:14:42 | Lamed | and another thing, mic input cannot be set as stereo. that's a mistake as there are stereo microphones. (line in can) |
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| 18:15:09 | Lamed | sorry, i've ment that there should be an external microphone setting |
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| 18:21:19 | Lamed | anyone wants to reply on that? |
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| 18:42:45 | San | what are the improvements in the latest dailu builds? |
| 18:42:49 | San | *daily |
| 18:44:30 | Febs | San, the changes are logged on the daily build page. Just click the time stamp link to see what's in each build. |
| 18:45:14 | Febs | There's also a log that shows all of changes for each daily build: http://www.rockbox.org/daily/changes-20051202.html |
| 18:46:07 | San | yeah...but that is hard to understand |
| 18:46:07 | San | lol |
| 18:46:17 | San | oh, wait |
| 18:46:20 | San | that isn't |
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| 18:46:28 | San | i was look ing at something different, thanks Febs |
| 18:46:29 | San | :D |
| 18:46:30 | Slasheri | uh, that's cool. Morse input works at first try =) |
| 18:46:54 | San | recording? |
| 18:47:15 | Febs | Slasheri goes into the military, and the next thing you know, Rockbox is in Morse code! ;) |
| 18:47:25 | Slasheri | Febs: hehe :D |
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| 18:48:43 | eli_sherer | hello everyone i made a new version of rockpaint...it has 24bit BMP support (well kind-of) |
| 18:49:01 | San | nice :D |
| 18:49:11 | San | so we can edit pictures now? |
| 18:49:16 | eli_sherer | for now it supports only 24 bit bmps |
| 18:49:33 | San | yeah |
| 18:49:38 | eli_sherer | no you can't edit cause i havn't implemented the source into the editor just a nice splash screen |
| 18:49:52 | San | oh |
| 18:50:04 | eli_sherer | it loads a bitmap from a directory... |
| 18:50:16 | eli_sherer | i thought itll be nice to have a 24 Bit BMP viewer |
| 18:50:50 | San | yeah |
| 18:50:53 | Slasheri | Febs: but i really think it should be now faster to enter file names using the morse code (only standard alphabets and numbers supported at the moment) |
| 18:51:10 | eli_sherer | i'll work on it tomorrow i just need to add 32bit,8bit(256),4bit(16),1bit(2)... |
| 18:51:10 | Lamed | slasheri: morse?! |
| 18:51:25 | Slasheri | Lamed: hehe, yes. I will commit that soon :) |
| 18:51:53 | Lamed | what does it do? |
| 18:52:08 | eli_sherer | in no time my viewer will be like iriver's just better (TGA,PCX and more) |
| 18:52:39 | Lamed | Dinner! |
| 18:52:41 | Slasheri | Lamed: you can for example give a playlist name using only one button (short and long clicks) |
| 18:52:57 | NicoFR | eli_sherer: do you think you could make it work as a viewer for BMPs ? |
| 18:53:07 | ghode|afk | hmm are the buttons fast enough? |
| 18:53:11 | NicoFR | I mean just select a BMP file just as you would do for music |
| 18:53:36 | NicoFR | like rockboy with GB files |
| 18:53:57 | San | woot, it works |
| 18:53:58 | San | :D |
| 18:54:13 | San | verrry nice |
| 18:54:20 | NicoFR | indeed |
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| 18:57:02 | San | eli, could you make a bmp viewer? |
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| 19:03:31 | elisherer | very odd...im still logged in! |
| 19:03:37 | elisherer | but as eli_sherer |
| 19:04:27 | Amar | so you can talk to yourself! |
| 19:05:05 | elisherer | ;) |
| 19:05:50 | NicoFR | eli, do you think you could make a BMP viewer ? |
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| 19:08:06 | elisherer | NicoFR: that wont be a problem i just need to make it support other bit types and make an explorer or use rockbox's |
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| 19:09:04 | NicoFR | well it would be nice if it worked like rockboy with .GB files |
| 19:09:13 | NicoFR | or the text viewer |
| 19:09:52 | elisherer | well it can be done i just need to learn how to make a "viewer" |
| 19:10:19 | San | shouldn't be too hard |
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| 19:11:52 | San | aaah |
| 19:11:53 | San | WTF? |
| 19:11:59 | ModernExecutive | hopefully not as hard as patching the latest US firmware with the bootloader |
| 19:12:16 | San | where is the language tab in the H300 menu (default firmware) |
| 19:12:23 | ModernExecutive | hold navi |
| 19:12:29 | ModernExecutive | click navi on the first option |
| 19:12:43 | ModernExecutive | click down to the second option and hit navi again |
| 19:12:48 | ModernExecutive | select engrish |
| 19:13:01 | San | aah, got it |
| 19:13:05 | San | thanks ME |
| 19:13:08 | elisherer | lol |
| 19:13:08 | ModernExecutive | np |
| 19:13:15 | Philip | :D |
| 19:14:14 | San | what does jpeg thumbnail do? I'd imagine it adds a thumbnail for the jpeg |
| 19:14:38 | Philip | if you have images from a camera |
| 19:14:43 | San | ooh |
| 19:14:46 | San | ok |
| 19:14:46 | Philip | it reads the thumbnail |
| 19:15:00 | Philip | and shows that so pictures load quicker |
| 19:15:13 | San | aah, col |
| 19:15:14 | San | *cool |
| 19:15:37 | Philip | have you managed to get the rockbox database to work?? |
| 19:15:46 | San | didn't try |
| 19:16:10 | Philip | I don't know what i'm doing wrong :( |
| 19:16:23 | elisherer | im working on BMP viewing... |
| 19:16:41 | Philip | i saw, nice work :) |
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| 19:18:45 | NicoFR | indeed, very nice work |
| 19:19:00 | NicoFR | it will be even better when it becomes a viewer :) |
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| 19:19:13 | elisherer | oh...now i understand what are those hex values in the "viewers.config" those are icons!!! |
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| 19:24:19 | Link9064 | I recently upgraded my fm recorder's harddrive to an 80gb, and now the thing doesn't charge/do anything when plugged in /w ac adaptor.....any suggestions? |
| 19:25:39 | elisherer | that's about it and lets see if it works... |
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| 19:29:48 | elisherer | it doesn't but i know whu |
| 19:29:49 | elisherer | why |
| 19:30:29 | San | the BMP wiewer? |
| 19:30:34 | elisherer | yup |
| 19:30:55 | San | nic |
| 19:30:57 | San | *nice |
| 19:31:11 | San | brb, gotta find a CD |
| 19:31:31 | elisherer | i don't have bitmap files...lol |
| 19:31:43 | Philip | lol |
| 19:32:06 | Amar | im sure you can make one quickly |
| 19:33:49 | San | make a quick one in paint |
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| 19:36:00 | elisherer | well it works fine but it doesn't support big pictures it takes to long to load them |
| 19:36:34 | San | nice |
| 19:36:59 | San | to is supports 8Bit and 32Bit, or just 8Bit? |
| 19:37:42 | elisherer | i think ill make a limit to the resolution of pictures it can open.. like 1024*768 (it's i think the biggest i can go) |
| 19:38:01 | elisherer | maybe ill add a progress bar so it wont be so boring to wait for the picture to come up...hehe |
| 19:38:10 | elisherer | just 24 bit |
| 19:39:20 | San | ok |
| 19:39:21 | elisherer | 32bit is 4 chars(r,g,b,reserved),24 bit is 3 chars(r,g,b),8 bit is 2 chars 00-FF from palette and 4 bit is 0-F from palette... |
| 19:39:39 | San | oh, ok |
| 19:39:55 | San | si RB san only support 3 characters? |
| 19:39:59 | elisherer | 2 bit is black and white but you can color it in any color you want |
| 19:40:27 | * | preglow vanishes |
| 19:40:35 | elisherer | technically it's less cause the color lcd can support up to 262,000 colors and 24 bit is 16 million colors |
| 19:41:01 | elisherer | so we use 16bit which is 65,000 colors |
| 19:41:07 | San | ah ok |
| 19:41:22 | San | would it be hard to port this to a jpeg viewer aswell? |
| 19:41:26 | elisherer | i do a conversion from 24 bit to 16 bit in my loading |
| 19:41:34 | * | Philip wishes that his H340 could show album art |
| 19:42:00 | elisherer | no not at all and this is where im aiming...even gif but the thing is that gif is patented and rockbox probably wont allow it |
| 19:42:31 | San | is there eventually going to be a zoon feature? |
| 19:42:35 | San | *zoom |
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| 19:47:59 | elisherer | i don't think so but there gonna be a moving feature on a big picture (+fit to screen) |
| 19:48:56 | San | yeah |
| 19:49:15 | San | can you upload the beta version of it please? |
| 19:49:40 | perplexity | the patent on the lzw encoding in gif expired earlier this year |
| 19:49:44 | elisherer | in a sec i just want to make a progress bar really quick |
| 19:49:51 | San | nice, so gif's |
| 19:49:54 | San | w00t! |
| 19:49:55 | San | :p |
| 19:50:05 | elisherer | if this true then yes!!! |
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| 19:50:52 | San | maby animated aswell? |
| 19:51:24 | perplexity | Sorry.. not this year.. last year.. http://schmidt.devlib.org/file-formats/gif-image-file-format.html |
| 19:51:34 | San | still, even better |
| 19:52:28 | elisherer | damn't i can't add a progress bar cause i made the loadbitmap function indepandent |
| 19:53:24 | elisherer | San: "animated": i even don't know how to decode a gif not to talk about animated... |
| 19:54:07 | San | lol, ok |
| 19:54:26 | perplexity | That link I posted has a number of other links that give some more detail on gif and how to decode it :) |
| 19:54:35 | perplexity | anyway.. i'm back to lurk mode :) |
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| 19:54:49 | Harmageddon | Morning |
| 19:57:16 | elisherer | i got it... instead of progress bar i can make the picture itself the progress bar by updating the lcd every row... |
| 19:57:22 | elisherer | like interlaced ... :) |
| 19:58:11 | elisherer | i'm compiling and releasing a beta version now... |
| 19:59:01 | Philip | cool |
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| 20:02:19 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK San |
| 20:02:19 | * | San Skinny Dips in a sea of Deep Purple - In The Absence Of Pink: Knebworth 85 (Disk 2) - Space Truckin' |
| 20:09:20 | elisherer | well...it's up on the web |
| 20:09:29 | elisherer | v0.42 with viewing capabilites |
| 20:09:47 | San | nice |
| 20:09:52 | NicoFR | cool :) |
| 20:09:52 | elisherer | don't open a big picture...! (and big means over 1000 px wide or high) |
| 20:11:06 | San | ok |
| 20:11:16 | San | what is your website again? |
| 20:11:29 | elisherer | there's a bug with big pictures... (www.freewebs.com/eli_sherer |
| 20:11:47 | elisherer | because it draws them from the buttom up... |
| 20:11:48 | San | I am going to make a page for all your plugins on my site |
| 20:11:49 | San | :D |
| 20:12:09 | elisherer | it's not neccesary cause i update them all the time... |
| 20:12:31 | Harmageddon | wtf cool :) |
| 20:13:50 | elisherer | my thread in misticriver almost has the same viewcount as "Have you successfully rockboxed your player?"...lol |
| 20:16:22 | Lamed | slasheri: that sounds awfully odd... but i wish you good luck. imho what really missing about creating filenames are the everyday commands like copy/cut/paste. some of this days i hope to write something that will let you browse the tree to place the file that you are making easily. today it's very hard to put the exact path letter by letter just to move a file. |
| 20:17:16 | elisherer | now with bmp capabilities i can make the rockword that i worked so hard on... |
| 20:17:47 | San | how do I open a BMP file? |
| 20:18:03 | Slasheri | Lamed: true.. moving should be done probably with gui and rename differently. And search function for files should be added |
| 20:20:29 | Philip | San: if you have changed the viewers.config file then you should just be able to select the files in the same way as music files |
| 20:20:33 | San | yes |
| 20:20:37 | San | oooh, wait |
| 20:20:42 | San | i have 000 instead of 00 |
| 20:20:45 | Philip | just make sure you have show all |
| 20:20:47 | San | lol |
| 20:20:53 | Philip | ??? |
| 20:21:06 | San | nevermind |
| 20:21:07 | San | :P |
| 20:21:27 | elisherer | San: what? |
| 20:22:02 | San | at the end of the line I had to paste in, I had 000 instead of 00 |
| 20:22:12 | elisherer | San: oh |
| 20:22:32 | San | when I open a bmp it jst opens rockpaint |
| 20:22:44 | elisherer | philip: if you have bmp in the viewers.config then "supported" mode will also show BMPs |
| 20:22:46 | Philip | where should the splash screen go?? what part of player? i keep getting err: cannot find file |
| 20:23:04 | Lamed | slasheri: yeah... it's common to say that this part of rockbox is pretty neglected. - p.s no hebrew support on filenames. if i edit an hebrew filename it changes all the charcter (probably ) to the wrong encoding. |
| 20:23:23 | elisherer | you need to have the "splash.bmp" inside a directory called "rockpaint" in "rocks" |
| 20:23:35 | Philip | thanks |
| 20:23:55 | NicoFR | I can't open bmp files other than the splach screen.... |
| 20:24:06 | NicoFR | I did save them as 24 bit |
| 20:24:12 | San | me too |
| 20:24:32 | elisherer | and open them from rockbox explorer just as if you would play an mp3 file... |
| 20:24:57 | San | yeah |
| 20:25:03 | elisherer | ?! |
| 20:25:14 | San | it just opens rockpaint |
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| 20:25:22 | elisherer | San: did it work 4 u |
| 20:25:37 | San | no |
| 20:25:41 | elisherer | did u upgrade rockpaint? |
| 20:25:52 | San | yes |
| 20:25:53 | NicoFR | well it just shows the background for me |
| 20:25:54 | elisherer | or just the "viewers.config" |
| 20:26:01 | NicoFR | I upgraded both |
| 20:26:10 | San | i get the splash screen then it just goes to rockpaint |
| 20:26:25 | elisherer | when you press on a bitmap file? |
| 20:26:34 | San | yup |
| 20:26:41 | elisherer | then you did something wrong... |
| 20:26:49 | elisherer | it's fault proof... |
| 20:26:52 | Ctcp | Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 20:26:52 | * | San tryes again |
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| 20:28:06 | Amar | ok I have created/modified a plugin and renamed the source file, how do i go about geting it to compile? |
| 20:28:41 | elisherer | you need to add to the "SOURCES" file in the plugins dir your creation and compile the whole thing... |
| 20:28:54 | Amar | thanks |
| 20:30:37 | elisherer | i'm afraid the lcd_updating makes my program a little slow so i'm disabling that... |
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| 20:31:25 | San | wb |
| 20:31:28 | Lamed | on? |
| 20:31:29 | Lamed | yeah |
| 20:31:55 | NicoFR | eli, what program did you use to create your splash screen ? |
| 20:32:08 | elisherer | powerpoint...lol |
| 20:32:34 | NicoFR | my bitmaps created with paint or photoshop in 24 bit don't work... |
| 20:32:40 | San | me neither |
| 20:33:01 | elisherer | wait i'll look into it now... |
| 20:33:02 | Philip | or me :( |
| 20:33:05 | NicoFR | I just see the blue background then back to the file explorer |
| 20:33:21 | San | i just get rockpaint loded uo |
| 20:33:26 | San | *loaded up |
| 20:33:45 | elisherer | well NicoFR has the proper outcome... |
| 20:34:01 | elisherer | it needs to be the blue background and on it comes the bmp |
| 20:34:24 | elisherer | NicoFR: when you start rockpaint from the "browse plugins" does it work well? |
| 20:34:51 | elisherer | San: you don't have the right rockpaint version installed you need v0.42 |
| 20:34:54 | NicoFR | yes |
| 20:35:33 | San | yes, I dont think i had that |
| 20:35:39 | * | San tryes again |
| 20:35:48 | elisherer | and about the "viewers.config" file i recommand you download it from the site instead of editing it yourselves. |
| 20:36:00 | NicoFR | one other thing I'm noticing right now is that the cursor is flashing when I move it... IIRC it didn't do that in previous versions |
| 20:36:19 | elisherer | which cursor? |
| 20:36:39 | NicoFR | the one in rockpaint |
| 20:36:41 | NicoFR | the cross |
| 20:36:51 | elisherer | that's because it's more faster that way...but i look into that too..:) |
| 20:36:59 | NicoFR | ok |
| 20:37:33 | San | aah, that extra line goes at the top? |
| 20:37:40 | San | i added it at the bottem |
| 20:38:30 | NicoFR | maybe you could make the cursor jump pixels 2 by 2 or 4 by 4 or more when you press the direction buttons a long time... that would make it faster |
| 20:39:32 | elisherer | youre right about the cursor i fixed it now...i used double buffering... |
| 20:40:18 | elisherer | and about the jumping it already implemented in the menu (see "brush jump") |
| 20:40:25 | XavierGr | Hi all! |
| 20:40:28 | NicoFR | oh sorry |
| 20:40:44 | XavierGr | Oh TiMiD is here again? Where you were lost man? |
| 20:42:12 | San | got it |
| 20:42:31 | San | but, i think there is a bug, the picture loads, and as soon as it gets to the top, it goes back |
| 20:42:52 | NicoFR | try pressing NAVI instead of "right" |
| 20:43:12 | San | and then after a while you get "cant open rockpaint.rock" |
| 20:43:19 | San | and then I cant open any files |
| 20:43:21 | NicoFR | I did get that too |
| 20:43:26 | San | *not files, rocks |
| 20:44:02 | NicoFR | San: did you manage to open other BMPs ? |
| 20:44:09 | elisherer | wow didn't get to that... |
| 20:44:30 | San | no, only bmp's that are in wps's |
| 20:44:58 | San | and the black and white ones come out all different colors, other that the colors they are ment to be |
| 20:45:23 | NicoFR | that's because they ar 2 bit I suppose |
| 20:45:29 | San | yeah |
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| 20:47:52 | mirak | what's the H300 lcd resolution ? |
| 20:48:03 | NicoFR | 220 x 176 |
| 20:48:18 | mirak | thank you |
| 20:49:16 | elisherer | San: i found the problem, i didn't close the file after opening it... |
| 20:49:55 | NicoFR | which file ? |
| 20:50:49 | XavierGr | Did Linus got the H300_DRM_key.hex from the Hooligan guy? |
| 20:50:54 | mirak | is there a way to invert the bootloader choice of rockbox ? |
| 20:51:35 | ghode|afk | yes, change the code |
| 20:51:36 | NicoFR | no, unless you edit the source code yourself |
| 20:51:37 | mirak | damn I got anonymous calls |
| 20:51:38 | mirak | lol |
| 20:52:25 | elisherer | well i uploaded the last versions for today i hope you all have a good night (or morning wherever you at) i'm going to my gf bye all |
| 20:52:46 | NicoFR | bye |
| 20:52:54 | San | cya |
| 20:52:58 | NicoFR | thanks for th good work ;) |
| 20:53:12 | mirak | elisherer: to what ? |
| 20:53:13 | mirak | :) |
| 20:53:25 | mirak | a verb is missing |
| 20:53:39 | elisherer | to my program... |
| 20:54:04 | elisherer | it's the same version 0.42 just download it again... |
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| 21:25:09 | lostlogicx | LinusN: ping? |
| 21:27:56 | lostlogicx | well I guess this question can go to anyone. The profiling code I'm working on needs callbacks from both the system and from whatever's being profiled (a plugin or a codec or whatever) I can't see a good way to include the profiling functoins are part of the APIs because they are called by symbol name by the compiler so I can't use preprocessor directives to change how they are called afaics. |
| 21:28:24 | lostlogicx | so I need some other way of making a symbol available to kernel and plugin/codec. |
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| 21:35:50 | webguest44 | Hi, just read that there's now morse code input on the Iriver? How can I test this? |
| 21:36:54 | webguest44 | I loaded a bleeding edge build and tried renaming a file just for fun but didn't find anything there.... |
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| 21:39:06 | muesli_- | hi |
| 21:39:29 | muesli_- | just a foolish question..how do i record radio? |
| 21:39:52 | webguest44 | on the iriver? |
| 21:39:58 | muesli_- | yepp |
| 21:40:09 | XavierGr | exit radio screen while playing and had to the record screen |
| 21:40:17 | XavierGr | then set the source to line in |
| 21:40:57 | XavierGr | had - head |
| 21:41:22 | muesli_- | in this order only? |
| 21:42:58 | webguest44 | you only need to select line-in once |
| 21:44:19 | webguest44 | oh, make sure you have the latest bleeding edge build so you can see the peak meter. |
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| 21:45:45 | muesli_- | okidok |
| 21:45:46 | muesli_- | :D |
| 21:46:38 | muesli_- | how can i shuffle over all files? |
| 21:47:40 | Lamed | preglow: this is so not right... you get to add your morse code while my patches are still waiting... lol, it sounds like the weirdest option ever. |
| 21:47:41 | Lamed | muesli_ : create a root playlist with all files (recursive inserted set to on), then use the quick menu to shuffle. |
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| 21:51:46 | muesli_- | cheers Lamed |
| 21:55:23 | petur | any cygwin user around that uses DDD? |
| 21:57:38 | lostlogicx | GAH DEATH HELL |
| 21:57:50 | lostlogicx | there needs to be a way to do this. |
| 21:58:06 | lostlogicx | other than moving the profiling code into the codec API. |
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| 22:18:32 | Lamed | petur: have you tried using ddd on cygwin? - i haven't. any good? |
| 22:19:44 | petur | bloody thing won't run. says "can't open display" |
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| 22:21:01 | petur | can't find much help on the ddd site atm |
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| 22:22:32 | petur | then again, I'm still new to this cygwin way of working |
| 22:23:33 | petur | does ddd need X? |
| 22:27:46 | Lamed | i would go on yes. - > ddd is a gui debugger... if you want to use gui apps. on cygwin you have to install x compunents. |
| 22:28:39 | Lamed | i had it all going one time (running xemecs on cygwin), but the installation files were pretty huge and I couldn't reproduce the results again. it was too much hassle for me. |
| 22:29:00 | Lamed | and, xemacs suck. |
| 22:29:37 | petur | how do you start X? I type X, it starts up a gui but then I can't do anything anymore. If I open another cygwin session, ddd still won't start? |
| 22:29:56 | Lamed | if you come across a good gui debugger let me know... |
| 22:29:56 | Lamed | btw what kde do you use? |
| 22:30:11 | petur | what? |
| 22:30:12 | Lamed | have u installed all the compunents? |
| 22:30:34 | Lamed | kde=ide |
| 22:30:37 | petur | I went for default - don't know if that is all I need. |
| 22:30:56 | petur | will run cygwin install again and add some more stuff... |
| 22:32:00 | Lamed | i can only tell you that after i've installed _all_ the packages that have something to do with the capital letter X, i just typed xemacs and it worked. the other time i tried to do it, something caused the 'cygwin1.dll' file (iirc) to be corrupted. |
| 22:33:29 | petur | I have to say, nothing beats putting in an MS-DEV CD, installing it and start development. Ah yes - the price... and locked to the platform. But ease of use? Ugh. |
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| 22:33:45 | baobab68 | morning all |
| 22:34:26 | petur | good evening ;) |
| 22:36:11 | baobab68 | 0835h here in sydney |
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| 22:38:07 | petur | 22:37 in Gent, Belgium |
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| 22:45:03 | muesli- | g'Day mates... |
| 22:45:11 | muesli- | 22:45h confirmed |
| 22:45:57 | Lamed | 23:46 israel |
| 22:48:19 | baobab68 | got a question re: battery life on h320 on rockbox. for those way more familiar with rockbox's internals, which is likely to be chewing battery more: the lcd remaining on when the backlight is off, or the unoptimised nature of the ogg decoder at the moment? |
| 22:51:43 | PaulJ | im not very familiar with rockbox internals, but i believe the lcd itself (without backlight) doesn't use much battery |
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| 22:52:28 | ashridah | baobab68: they're both in need of work. |
| 22:52:37 | muesli- | PaulJ how was zhg-mensa today? :D |
| 22:52:56 | ashridah | baobab68: there's been work on the vorbis front, although it's early stages yet. |
| 22:53:08 | baobab68 | ashridah: is the code for turning the lcd off likely to have to go in the bootloader or in the runtime part of rockbox? |
| 22:53:14 | ashridah | baobab68: runtime. |
| 22:53:23 | PaulJ | muesli-: i usually dont go to the mensa |
| 22:53:56 | ashridah | baobab68: that said, the driver will be shared between the two, the bootloader is largely constructed out of a base library that's part of rockbox itself. |
| 22:53:57 | muesli- | that zhg one wasnt a rock when i recall myself right |
| 22:54:12 | ashridah | so the disk driver, filesystem driver, lcd driver, button driver are all shared. |
| 22:54:25 | baobab68 | ashridah: i was thinking of having a look at that. there's no *way* I could work on vorbis, I don't know C....i was thinking that "it can't be that hard to turn the lcd off..." |
| 22:55:07 | baobab68 | i just have the impression that the lcd is 'active matrix' and something vaguely tells me they suck battery |
| 22:55:21 | ashridah | baobab68: it takes a bit of bit twiddling on the i2c bus, iirc. |
| 22:55:50 | ashridah | you'll need to do some datasheet reading, and i don't know how potentially fatal it can be (since i don't know if it's possible to command the lcd to go into a death spiral |
| 22:55:50 | baobab68 | hmmmm.... same as activating the audio did? |
| 22:56:25 | ashridah | almost all peripherals inside iriver's hardware are connected by the i2c serial bus, so you'd need a reasonable idea of what commands to send the LCD. the datasheet should cover that |
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| 22:57:11 | ashridah | but that said, as long as it's not fatal (which is unlikely, really), you can't brick the unit since you won't need to poke at the bootloader. |
| 22:57:19 | ashridah | (well, brick it easily) |
| 22:57:57 | baobab68 | wonder if linus hasn't worked out yet, or hasn't noticed that the lcd is left running, or knows that it doesn't really matter. what i mean is, if he can't work it out then i have no chance |
| 22:58:04 | ashridah | he knows |
| 22:58:34 | baobab68 | the datasheet is in the wiki, right? |
| 22:58:50 | ashridah | but family+contractwork+rockbox is difficult to juggle. turning off the LCD isn't an issue that prevents rockbox working. |
| 22:58:58 | ashridah | it'll get done tho |
| 22:59:03 | ashridah | in some form |
| 22:59:10 | ashridah | it should be in the wiki |
| 22:59:30 | cannard | for better battery life, just sever the connection to the lcd itself. use the remote only, instant iaudio m3!! |
| 22:59:43 | baobab68 | i understand that - what i meant is, it must be hard to do, or he would have already done it. |
| 22:59:54 | baobab68 | cannard: :-) |
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| 23:00:16 | baobab68 | cannard: tell that to my partner. "you did *what* to save battery?" |
| 23:00:23 | Bagder | baobab68: lots of things not yet done aren't "hard" |
| 23:00:27 | ashridah | baobab68: not really, it's the trivial things that often get left to later. more pressing is why the unit wiggs out when he jacks up the frequency :) |
| 23:00:33 | Bagder | they're just things not prioritized |
| 23:01:02 | * | ashridah nods |
| 23:01:20 | baobab68 | won't a frequency hike suck battery even more? |
| 23:01:27 | ashridah | the LCD driver in general needs more work than just turning off the lcd when the backlight's off. |
| 23:01:43 | baobab68 | can't everyone just convert their vorbis to Q0.7 like me? :-) |
| 23:01:44 | ashridah | baobab68: true, but the frequency hike only happens when necessary |
| 23:01:50 | baobab68 | it plays fine |
| 23:02:02 | ashridah | rockbox boosts the cpu to higher rates when low watermarks are hit |
| 23:02:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | 'sides, with the frequency hike it'd be running at a higher speed for less time |
| 23:02:35 | ashridah | so it often boosts for some codecs when filling the pcm buffer) and it boosts when the hard drive spins up to fill the data buffer. |
| 23:02:43 | ashridah | Paul_The_Nerd: yep. |
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| 23:03:07 | ashridah | baobab68: you can see the effects of this in the audio thread under debug. |
| 23:03:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is the battery life bad on the H340 or something, baobab68? Like, is there a noticeable loss in life when you switch to RB? |
| 23:03:29 | ashridah | some codecs are extremely efficient (flac, wavpack, shorten), and only boost while reading from disk. |
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| 23:03:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | wavpack boosts a bit even when not reading from disk, I think. |
| 23:04:13 | ashridah | aah, haven't checked. |
| 23:04:20 | baobab68 | i seem to be getting about 4-5 hours. (two days, to and from work, plus walking around at lunch). on iriver f/w I might have got 4 days like that. no scientific check done yet. |
| 23:04:35 | ashridah | baobab68: but yeah, the ogg codec needs work. |
| 23:04:42 | ashridah | it'll get done |
| 23:04:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | ashridah: To be noted, mine are replaygained. |
| 23:05:01 | baobab68 | mind you i am listening a LOT more and flicking tracks just to hear the cool crossfade... |
| 23:05:07 | baobab68 | mine are replaygained as well |
| 23:05:43 | baobab68 | which seems to work, i've tried turning replaygain off in the system settings and the volume does change, so RB is doing 'something'.... |
| 23:05:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | I know at some point that made a difference, though if I recall there was a change at some point so that they irregardless of replaygain they always went through the DSP or something? It added to the boost percentage, whatever the patch was. |
| 23:07:27 | baobab68 | well wouldn't they need to be dsp'd for the bass and treble and the stereo widening? |
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| 23:07:37 | baobab68 | (none of which i use) |
| 23:07:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Stereo Widening isn't functioning yet. |
| 23:07:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | And I don't use the bass/treble either. |
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| 23:08:18 | ashridah | bass/treble are hardware functions from memory. |
| 23:08:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I believe the patch had them dsp'd no matter what. I'm sure there was a cause for it. I don't remember exactly what the reason was. |
| 23:08:32 | Bagder | yes, bass/treble are plain DAC |
| 23:09:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | "Fix some WavPack bugs by forcing DSP use even when not needed for sampling rate conversion or ReplayGain. Costs about 12% boost ratio when DSP would not have been used before." <−−- That one. |
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| 23:10:40 | baobab68 | oh yeah, i guess replaygain would dsp, wouldn't? I might turn it off until vorbis gets optimised a bit more |
| 23:12:43 | baobab68 | but i will have a look at the lcd stuff, just for my own interest |
| 23:13:10 | baobab68 | right now i better go "clean those leaves out of the gutter, fix that downpipe, bla bla bla" |
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| 23:17:30 | muesli- | foolish question again: would it be theoretically possible to watch videos over any line out on tv? |
| 23:17:45 | BBub | with the iriver? |
| 23:17:49 | muesli- | yepp |
| 23:17:51 | massiveH | i have also thought of this too |
| 23:17:51 | BBub | never |
| 23:17:55 | Hooligan | Not with an iRiver, no |
| 23:18:02 | BBub | it could never reach the bandwith needed |
| 23:18:08 | BBub | video is for pal 5 mhz |
| 23:18:33 | muesli- | not via usb ie? |
| 23:18:49 | BBub | it is only a usb-slave |
| 23:19:13 | BBub | and u cant do anything with the usb except accessing the hdd afaik |
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| 23:20:22 | muesli- | ok..im just curious..people are asking |
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| 23:26:56 | ashridah | muesli-: usb2go only supports usb 1.1, so you get 800kbps max. |
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| 23:27:37 | ashridah | the other usb port is connected via usb-storage, although clearly there's extras given that some units can do DRM |
| 23:28:15 | ashridah | muesli-: the optical out is connected via a DAC, so that's out, and the connection to the remotes won't have enough bandwidth afaik. |
| 23:29:35 | cannard | or connect the video out of your vcr to your soundcard, record as wav, then play it on your h300 with line out connected to video in |
| 23:29:49 | cannard | adjust bass for colour saturation, and treble for image sharpness |
| 23:30:14 | ashridah | cannard: except that it's clamped at 44.1KHz iirc, which wouldn't be enough |
| 23:33:05 | ashridah | besides, then you'd be stuck doing the conversion to PAL in software. ick. |
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| 23:34:49 | muesli- | btw |
| 23:34:50 | muesli- | iRiver: Added initial support for standard morse code input to virtual keyboard. |
| 23:34:57 | muesli- | wots that? |
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| 23:36:45 | Lamed | slasheri said something about naming files with only one button by morse clicks... |
| 23:37:37 | Bagder | there was such a commit recently |
| 23:37:48 | muesli- | sounds funny |
| 23:38:02 | Lamed | anyone knows a program that can replaygain but skip files that already have reaplygain values in them? - with foobar2000 i have to go through everything. |
| 23:38:15 | Lamed | bagder - yes, we were just talking about it. |
| 23:38:31 | Hooligan | http://misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=32762 |
| 23:38:54 | Hooligan | I sent the files to Linus...I wonder if he can learn anything interesting |
| 23:39:45 | Bagder | nah, he's such a loser ;-P |
| 23:39:58 | Hooligan | Haha |
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| 23:40:49 | Lamed | i've been arranging my playlist for the last 5-8 houres. it's becoming harder & harder. |
| 23:41:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Lamed: Foobar's the only format-independent (or at least, supports so many that it's essentially so) program I've found to replaygain |
| 23:42:15 | Hooligan | I'm gonna call iRiver and see what they say about this H300_Drmkey.hex file |
| 23:42:25 | Hooligan | Should be interesting, I'm sure. |
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| 23:45:22 | Bagder | :-) |
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| 23:48:59 | muesli- | what was max filesize for .wps and .rpws`? |
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| 23:53:56 | muesli- | BBub query |
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| 23:58:49 | muesli- | dunkellic ;) |
| 23:58:56 | dunkellic | jo muelsli ^^ |
| 23:59:01 | dunkellic | hrhr, genau den, den ich such |
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