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#rockbox log for 2005-12-03

00:00:10muesli-./join #blabla
00:02:45BBubmuesli-: querys are blocked on this net for unregistered users ;)
00:02:57muesli-good to know
00:03:43muesli-i was bothering many times user and was wondering why they never replied ;9
00:04:31muesli-how do i reg myself?
00:04:42 Join Dima202 [0] (
00:04:55Bagder "/msg nickserv help"
00:05:41Dima202I get it. How to charge the FM Recorder with USB
00:05:58Dima202And then to set it to be recognized as drive
00:06:37dunkellicsay, there isnt any chance that we will be able to play gba roms on our h300s (i already read the faq, but i just want to make shure ^^)
00:07:43Paul_The_NerdNot on the H300s
00:08:14dunkellicgb is enough ;)
00:09:34DrumRMboy320how do you auto 'identify' in mIRC?
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00:10:56Bgerand there
00:11:01DrumRMboy320cool, thank you very much
00:11:06Bger"/msg nickserv identify password"
00:11:35dunkellici gues there wont be any improvement on the standart emulator either, or?
00:11:47BBubnot in the near future
00:11:53dunkellictoo bad ^^
00:11:55Bgeremulator ? or simulator /
00:12:03Bagderdunkellic: everything in Rockbox will continue to improve over time
00:12:07Bagderas before
00:12:21Bagderyou can whine and wait, or join in and help us make it happen
00:12:32dunkellicif i could i would help
00:12:37Bagderthings don't happen by themselves
00:12:43dunkellicbut well, im not very into programming
00:13:12Bgernoone was born with knowledge ... :)
00:13:19BBubi would like to help, but i find it hard to "work" myself into the code
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00:16:26dunkellicis there a big difference in the performance of the h100 cpu and the h300 cpu?
00:16:36BBubi think they're the same
00:16:42Bagderthey are identical
00:16:44Sancan the H300 convert wav to wv?
00:16:55DBUGEnqueued KICK dunkellic
00:16:55dunkellic[Bagder] they are identical <−− thought so ^^
00:16:56Paul_The_NerdIf the wav2wv viewer works..
00:17:03Sandoes it?
00:17:09Paul_The_NerdI don't have an h300
00:17:14Paul_The_NerdYou could always try
00:17:40Paul_The_NerdClick and hold navi on the .wav file, I think.
00:17:48Sanyeah, it is
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00:25:31dunkelliccya ppl
00:25:36 Quit dunkellic ("You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, France is accusing the)
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00:36:26Sandoes anyone know about the FF bug on MPC?
00:37:34markunSan: ff in MPC was removed for now because it was too slow. Not a bug.
00:37:55Sanoh, ok
00:38:30Sanwhen will it be back?
00:39:29markunI don't think anyone is working on it.
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00:43:12Paul_The_NerdI think it's unlikely that it will be back
00:43:24Paul_The_NerdTo my understanding, it's a flaw in the way the codec itself is designed.
00:43:36LinusN"i understand that - what i meant is, it must be hard to do, or he would have already done it."
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00:46:02markunLinusN: who are you quoting?
00:46:27LinusNbaobab68 from earlier today
00:46:31markunAh :)
00:46:48LinusNregarding why i don't turn off the lcd to save power
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00:48:29 Part Lamed
00:49:07markunAn image of the chinese font file from the gigabeat:
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00:49:44markunencrypted I guess
00:49:52LinusNhow do you know it's a chinese font file?
00:50:31DrumRMboy320linus, while your here, ima use the new bootloader for 1.29 and do that upgrade
00:50:39markunThe files are called: FNTJA.DAT, FNTZH.DAT, FNTZT.DAT and FNTZT24.DAT
00:50:52DrumRMboy320is there anything i can do to prevent what happened last time?
00:51:03LinusNDrumRMboy320: what happened?
00:51:11CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
00:51:11*LinusN has a weak memory
00:51:30DrumRMboy320remember, it went completely dead, you said for me to hold 'on' and tap reset twice
00:51:38markunI just guessed ZH was for chinese
00:51:40DrumRMboy320and that fixed it, but will that be a problem again?
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00:51:59LinusNDrumRMboy320: has it worked well since?
00:52:19DrumRMboy320perfectly, just i dont wanna risk not having it work
00:52:25DrumRMboy320:( its my baby!
00:52:41LinusNyou shouldn't worry
00:52:56DrumRMboy320ok, thank you
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00:55:03markunLinusN: today I took the Gigabeat appart. I tried to get the LCD out of it's plastic casing, but was afraid to break it.
00:55:19LinusNplastic casing?
00:55:43markunyes, it prevents me from viewing if there are any markings on the back
00:55:52DimaTechHey guy
00:55:57DimaTechAnyone try these speakers?
00:56:04DimaTechThese have awesome review
00:56:16DimaTechAnd durable too.. from the reviews
00:56:26DimaTechCan anyone say anything about them?
00:56:34DimaTechSo cheap.. Just sounds too good to be true
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00:59:05markunLinusN: I noticed on the PCB there are 3 oscillators: X1, X2 and X4. There is also a space for X3, wonder what it's use would be.
00:59:34markunAlso on the X30 the X3 space is empty
00:59:51markunleft of the ARM
01:00:54LinusNwell, i guess you'll find out when you trace it with your multimeter
01:01:25markunyes. Maybe it connects to the dac or something
01:02:08markunto support more freqs than multiples of 44.1
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01:02:25DimaTechAnyone try these speakers?
01:02:31DimaTechCan anyone say anything about them?
01:02:33DrumRMboy320not i
01:02:36DimaTechSo cheap.. Just sounds too good to be true
01:02:49DimaTechSorry if I wrtoe this before. The connection died
01:02:58DimaTechWhich do u use?
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01:03:17DrumRMboy320i do have a question though... where can i find the latest FWpatcher... i looked all over the RB site, searched... nothing :(
01:04:03markunLinusN: I was a bit chocked how small everything inside the Gigabeat was, although I could have known from the dimensions and the PCB pics :)
01:05:08muesli-g'night folks
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01:08:19***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:08:55DrumRMboy320ok... i dont need any aditional files to patch 1.29, just that one .EXE?
01:09:12LinusNand the 1.29 hex file of course
01:09:19DrumRMboy320well ;)
01:09:37DrumRMboy320ok, i wanna do everything EXACT this time... lol
01:16:43DrumRMboy320ok, is the patched file supposed to be around four mb's... lets see... 4,084 kb's
01:16:47DrumRMboy320is that correct?
01:16:56LinusNsounds ok
01:17:20BBubis it really that hard? ;)
01:17:30BBubjust run an md5 check on it
01:17:31DrumRMboy320well, i screwed up //somthing// last time
01:17:36DrumRMboy320ok, how?
01:17:41muesli_-BBub next query try failed again ;)
01:17:41LinusNfwpatcher checks it for you
01:17:53BBuboh, i didnt knew that
01:18:17DrumRMboy320so, it should be good if done with the fwpatcher?
01:18:29muesli_-anyway..did i see you on frozena?
01:18:41BBubi guess not
01:18:51DrumRMboy320"Firmware Upgrade"
01:18:55muesli_-but ive seen your nick somewhere..
01:19:49DrumRMboy320problem again
01:20:10DrumRMboy320no good... HDD is on, no screen
01:20:24BBubit flashes that fast?
01:20:30BBubmy h1xx takes longer
01:20:31DrumRMboy320no flash
01:20:34DrumRMboy320dead screen
01:20:37DrumRMboy320HDD spinning
01:20:46DrumRMboy320lemme try what worked last time
01:22:18LinusNDrumRMboy320: it seems like you have one of those units that doesn't like the early hard drive poweron
01:22:36DrumRMboy320lucky me
01:23:06DrumRMboy320no good
01:23:30LinusNDrumRMboy320: ok, this is where it may be a little tricky
01:23:42DrumRMboy320please help me :'(
01:23:46LinusNmake sure it is off by resettingnit once
01:24:21LinusNfirst experiment: enable the hold switch and turn it on
01:24:32DrumRMboy320IT WORKS
01:24:43DrumRMboy320it flashed
01:24:48DrumRMboy320its not all dead
01:24:55LinusNi knew that
01:25:06DrumRMboy320of course
01:25:23DrumRMboy320but still, no good
01:25:32DrumRMboy320if i take hold off, its dead again
01:25:57LinusNyou can start rockbox by turning it on with the hold switch enabled and then quickly disable it
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01:26:07DrumRMboy320ok, i fixed it
01:26:16DrumRMboy320i turned it in with hold
01:26:22LinusNTiMiD: could you disable the wraparound in the settings?
01:26:25DrumRMboy320hit reset when it turned on
01:26:30DrumRMboy320and now ot worksd
01:26:34DrumRMboy320without hold
01:26:35LinusNDrumRMboy320: good
01:26:48LinusNdo you want to try an experimental boot loader?
01:27:03LinusNone that turns on correctly
01:27:33DrumRMboy320well, its not a problem after first start up...
01:28:20DrumRMboy320yea, works fine after first start up
01:28:31DrumRMboy320i was using it all the time after ourt first fix
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01:30:35DocBrownHi. I heard experimental bootloader?
01:31:35LinusNDocBrown: :-)
01:31:46LinusNi have you the link, didn't i?
01:32:36DocBrowni think it's at the old place? linus.haxx...
01:32:54LinusNit's the same as then
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01:33:13LinusNi haven't made a new one
01:33:20DocBrownI'll try it
01:34:01DocBrownI think this is the one that fixes the problem, right? I didn't have it up to now
01:34:33DrumRMboy320Linus, thank you for helpin me out BTW ;) i just hope you either make it work the first time( :P ) or just dont release anymore
01:38:03DimaTechHey guys,. Anyone know anything about chargers?
01:38:23DimaTechI have a charger. I don't want to buy any other chargers. Can I charge with this charger any batteries of the same checmical?
01:39:49DocBrownLinusN: Yeah, seems to work fine. And i think you would need a stopwatch to notice the difference in booting time
01:40:49DimaTechMy charger says it charges AA or AAA I-C^3 betteries in 15 mins but also charger regular NiMH or NiCD batteries
01:41:02DimaTechSo I can charge any NiMH batteries with it right?
01:41:54LinusNDimaTech: since it says it can...
01:42:43DocBrownLinusN: Does the same setting work for the healthy H300s?
01:43:43LinusNi wouldn't call your h300 unhealthy
01:44:12LinusNit's just that i know too little about the hardware to do it right...
01:45:38DocBrownWell, if the extra 50 ms is the only problem with the slightly different hardware, ther is no 'big' problem i think
01:46:33DocBrownThe only thing I've noticed so far is a flickering in the WPS screen. But i would expect that to happen on all H300s
01:47:10DocBrownWPS screen is kinda double :-)
01:47:38LinusNthe lcd driver is awfully slow atm
01:49:44DocBrownUnfortunately my programming knowledge is limited to FORTRAN atm (scientific computing). I should learn some C. Would really like to get involved, though time is limited :-(
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01:50:09DocBrownSo i'll stay with the testing job...
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02:04:14LinusNOk, H300 bootloader V3 is out, please try it
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02:05:37Midgey34LinusN: is this just a fix for the black screened users?
02:05:57Midgey34nothing else new?
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02:08:37LinusNi'm struggling with the usb mode
02:10:30XavierGrLinusN: Any interesting info about the H300_DRM_Key.hex?
02:10:40LinusNi haven't had time to look at it
02:11:00XavierGrYour quick opinion? Do you have of an idea what is this?
02:11:22LinusNit *could* be a version that is able to restore the drm key
02:14:52Midgey34LinusN: do expect to ever be supporting 1.04US? or is the version released still not considered official
02:16:02LinusNit's not considered unofficial, but i won't release a patcher that kills the drm
02:16:02Midgey34add a "you" in there between do and expect
02:16:15Midgey34oh so that will kill it?
02:16:23Midgey34do they use a checksum to verify?
02:16:26LinusNi don't know yet
02:16:31Midgey34ah ok
02:16:47LinusNi'll look into the rdm issue when i find the time
02:17:11LinusNuntil then, i'll let the drm losers have their 1.04
02:18:05LinusNi have a drm player here, for this very purpose
02:18:22LinusNwhat i don't have is time
02:20:18LinusNgotta get some sleep, 2:20am here
02:20:27LinusNnite folx
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02:26:34DocBrownJust patched my 'black-screen-H300' with Bootloader v3 and 1.29 K now it works as expected. Hooray!
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02:40:27maxG'morning everyone?
02:42:34CheeseBurgerManWell, morning.
02:42:47CheeseBurgerManEven though it's 8:40PM here. ;)
02:43:33maxWell, close enough.
02:44:05maxI think I'd like to help with the iPod port effort. I have some experience with low level hardware and real time kernel development
02:47:06 Quit DangerousDan ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier.")
02:47:10CheeseBurgerManI'm not the one to speak to.
02:47:13CheeseBurgerManI'm not a dev.
02:47:49maxWell, it's out to the channel in general, in case one is here :)
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03:20:57Kyl3server -m
03:22:27DrumRMboy320haha, planning a visit to misticriver?
03:22:28Kyl3How would you install a patch if it had a .diff extension? I'm trying to install the H300 LCD remote patch
03:23:01DrumRMboy320hey, i see you there ;)
03:23:04ashridahKyl3: you use a utility called 'patch' to merge the diff in with the source code.
03:23:29Kyl3You have to compile the source? Damn.
03:23:36ashridahpatch -p1 < /path/to/diff when you're in the top level of the source tree usually does the trick.
03:23:41ashridahKyl3: it's not a binary patch, no.
03:23:59Kyl3oh so.. link?
03:25:32Kyl3to the patch program
03:25:43ashridahshould be part of the dev kit
03:25:50ashridah(assuming that's what you're using)
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03:26:50Kyl3so i need cygwin and the dev kit? then what?
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03:28:22mirakI am drunk
03:28:24miraka bit
03:28:34ashridahKyl3: that url contains most of it.
03:28:59ashridah covers building
03:29:07ashridahpatching comes after 'get the source'
03:29:32mirakgood night ! :-D
03:29:33ashridahit's not going to be a completely trivial process, it might just be easier to wait until someone's merged it and leech a bleeding edge build
03:30:46Kyl3I'll wait. I tried compiling the bootloader with 1.29k firwave before it was relesed and it didn't like me. So if anyone would please merge it into a daily/bleeding edge build
03:31:24ashridaheasiest to keep an eye on the cvs activity log on, or sign up to the cvs mailing list.
03:31:31ashridaheither will keep you appraised of activity
03:32:30Kyl3I see the Dead Syndrome is fixed H300 bootloader: don't turn on the HD too soon :)\
03:32:53ashridahthat's more of a workaround than a fix, isn't it?
03:33:00ashridahie, we don't know WHY we can't turn it on that early?
03:33:53Kyl3Yes true.
03:34:05Kyl3But now it doesnt happen
03:43:45Kyl3=D it works now! I compiled it in! Now if only I had an H340 to test it on
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03:48:47 Quit JoeBorn ("")
03:50:40MikermanHey, guys, sorry to bother you with something so trivial, but could someone help with a compiling issue? I'm using CVS, have the updated code, and am having a problem with the new tools setup: where and how do I create the tools to compile? I know you don't make tools in the tools directory now, but where do you do it? The "Simple Guide to Compiling" seems not be erroneous now.
03:51:16MikermanThat is, seems not to be accurate now (although someone had tried to update it).
03:51:30ashridahyou run 'make tools' in the same directory you ran ../tools/configure from
03:52:43MikermanAh, well that's a step back: where (and how) do I run ../tools/configure?
03:53:09Mikerman(That's not even mentioned now in the "Simple Compiling" guide ...)
03:53:20ashridahmake an empty directory one level into the source (ie, you checked out rockbox/, so make rockbox/build or something)
03:53:25ashridahgo into build
03:53:30ashridahand run ../tools/configure
03:53:45ashridahselect the appropriate options for the platform, type, and language you're building for.
03:53:52ashridahthen run make tools
03:53:53ashridahand make
03:53:58ashridahthen eventually, make zip
03:56:53MikermanOk, now going back to basics, when you say, run ../tools/configure, do you mean simply type in (without quotes) ../tools/configure in my build directory? (And I feel so stupid right now ...)
03:57:01*ashridah nods
03:57:20ashridahthat goes up a level, into the tools directory, and runs configure. that creates a custom Makefile
03:57:24ashridahin the current directory
03:57:37ashridah(which is why you don't go into tools to run it)
03:58:14MikermanOk, did so, and I get an error message: 1: Syntax error: redirection unexpected1].patch
03:58:38MikermanDoes that mean I have a patch issue?
03:59:08ashridahnot necessarily.
03:59:16ashridahyou checked out source from cvs?
04:00:07MikermanOriginally, yes. Applied some patches, and then have been using CVS to update the code without any problems for the last week . . .
04:00:32ashridahi'm not sure then. if that's an error from configure, it's not one i've seen
04:01:16MikermanMuch as I hate doing it, I wonder if I should just start from scratch, by checking out a whole new set of code.
04:01:57Mikerman(Also, the "Simple Compiling" guide definitely needs to be fixed−−it's not up-to-date with the new tools procedure.)
04:02:20ashridahyes, that happens
04:02:52MikermanChanges are good, as long as they're documented. ;)
04:03:34MikermanWell, let me try a clean build a see what happens. Thanks for the troubleshooting, and now I at least know what and where I'm supposed to do things . . .
04:03:42Kyl3I did it! I made the zip file and did cvs up -dP... and it worked! does that mean when people download the bleeding edges now, the H300 remote patch will be in it?
04:06:18ashridahuh. no
04:06:25ashridahnot unless you've got commit access
04:06:31ashridahit's in YOUR build.
04:06:45Kyl3grrr... well its ok..
04:06:51Kyl3since it works.
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04:58:43DrumRMboy320what are the 'voice' settings?
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04:59:15DrumRMboy320san, you know what th e'voice' settings are?
05:01:14DrumRMboy320anybody know??
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05:06:26lostlogicxI just want you all to know that my profiling doohicky compiles.
05:06:33lostlogicxTime to crash my player is tomorrow.
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05:22:07baobab68anyone still here who was here when linus was last here?
05:22:37baobab68i'm trying to understand what he means about the lcd changes in bootloader 3, can't work it out from the IRC log
05:23:05baobab68should i still be looking at turning off the LCD or is it done. i suppose i should flash it and see
05:25:08baobab68or, is everyone asleep... i suppose it can't be 3:25pm all over the world
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05:30:26baobab68hi DreamTactix291
05:32:57DreamTactix291i hate internet downtime :|
05:33:11DreamTactix291DSL company = we don't know why your internet isn't working
05:33:18DreamTactix291Me = well fix it
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05:35:25DrumRMboy320how are you on IRC w/o internet?
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05:36:03DrumRMboy320oh well
05:36:05DrumRMboy320ima go
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05:37:10DreamTactix291no, they fixed it
05:37:36DreamTactix291i was describing my extremely fun phone conversation with them
05:38:09DrumRBoy320|Awaylol, ok
05:38:12DrumRBoy320|Awaynite all
05:43:45DrumRBoy320|AwayQuick question b4 bed... will dropping an english.voice file in root allow for voise opperation menus for the h300?
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05:44:16jomtonesjust dropping in from the website...
05:44:22jomtonesany iRiver users here>
05:44:51jomtonesI've got a H140
05:44:57DrumRBoy320|Awaybenacool ,you know about voice stuff?
05:45:07Benacoolnot really sorry
05:45:29jomtonescurious to know people's experience of using the rockbox firmware, if any!
05:46:09jomtonesI got realy excited when I saw it could do variable speed playback?...
05:46:49DrumRBoy320|Awaystock f/w will do this
05:47:03jomtonesno way!
05:47:10baobab68Bagder: only for wav
05:47:12jomtoneson a H140?...
05:47:23baobab68sorry bagder not for you, for DrumRBoy320|Away
05:47:26DrumRBoy320|Awayoh, um, not sure
05:47:42DrumRBoy320|Awaysry, i didnt realize
05:47:42baobab68h140, don't know, h320 guy here
05:48:13baobab68i believe most functions with h1 series are a little more advanced, so maybe vari speed is in there
05:48:37jomtoneslemme check the manual, sure I woulda noticed that,,,
05:49:11baobab68have a look through the menus... it won't be in the manual.... on h320 it was a recently added feature 1.28k i think...
05:49:17Benacooli'm preture they are variable speed playback on h1x0 with new firmwares
05:49:41Benacoolbaobab68: it's true for the clock
05:49:51baobab68on h3 series it is in the 'control' menu
05:49:53Benacoolpretty sure*
05:51:39jomtonesWOW yes it's in there!!!
05:51:52jomtonesI was gonna buy a new player for this :)
05:52:00jomtonesthat rules...
05:52:34baobab68but beware on h3 series only works with wav, no other format (or maybe mp3, definitely not with wma or ogg though)
05:52:44baobab68so does it *work* for you?
05:52:58baobab68Benacool: what's false?
05:53:18Benacoolyou can modify the playback speed of mp3s
05:53:26Benacoolon h3x0
05:53:38baobab68"maybe mp3"??
05:53:59Benacoolso not only wav but also mp3 ^^
05:54:33baobab68correct "only works with WAV (or maybe mp3)"
05:54:47baobab68i tried it with wma and ogg and it definitely doesn't
05:55:23Benacooli playing a mp3 on my h320 and i can modify playback spedd ^^
05:55:41jomtonesworks with mp3 on H140
05:56:04Benacooldon't work on WAV
05:56:06jomtonesnot much range unfortunately
05:56:12Benacoolyea ...
05:56:14jomtonesbut awesome all the same
05:56:27Benacoolbut in rockbox it's better I think
05:56:40baobab68there's speed control in RB?
05:56:49Benacoolhor h1x0 yea
05:57:13Benacoolmaybe not at this time but it's worked on now
05:57:16baobab68didn't think i had spotted it yet in h3
05:57:48baobab68suggestions on best way to pass on some comments to linus, anyone?
05:57:49Benacool<baobab68>: what you haven't spotted?
05:58:01baobab68Benacool: speed control
05:58:13Benacoolyea it's only for h1x0 for now
05:58:43jomtonesare things working ok now in the h1x0?
05:58:48baobab68i know, you said that and i agreed with you above :-)
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05:59:17Benacool<baobab68>: with rockbox ??
06:00:00DJ00hey can anyone answer a quick question for me, i just got my h340 yesterday and ive heard rockbox is good should i change mine h340 to rockbox and what are some of the advantages of having rockbox
06:00:20jomtonesbaobab - yeah with rockbox
06:01:38Benacoolyeah the first builds of rockbox for h1x0 were few months ago and I think it's really stable now
06:01:48Benacool<DJ00>: 2 min
06:02:46jomtonesi saw on the website recording was still an issue, and some audio formats?
06:03:47Benacoolyou'll learn all you need to know about rockbox for Iriver ^^
06:04:00jomtonesthx ;)
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06:04:32Benacoolsure you'll certainly void your waranty and the are some risks but i put it on my h320 and it's really cool
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06:06:21DJ00Benacool: thanks alot
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06:06:42jomtonesback :)...
06:08:17baobab68i am impressed with RB too. been watching the project for a long time. I *still* think the audio output sounds somehow better than iriver firmware. :-)
06:08:50baobab68love the crossfade and the customisable WPS and the replaygain
06:09:38jomtonescrossfades????... OMG
06:09:55jomtonesthis is like my dreams come true!...
06:09:57Benacoolwhat is replaygain ?
06:10:05baobab68customisable 1 to 10 seconds i think it is.
06:10:13baobab68Benacool: serious?
06:10:27jomtonesi wanna make a big list of acronym OMGROFCMFEO!
06:10:42baobab68what;'s EO - ears out?
06:10:47baobab68oh, "eyes"
06:11:18jomtonesoh I see - auto-crossfades...
06:11:21baobab68Benacool: do you want to know what replaygain is or were you joking?
06:11:24jomtoneswell, that's cool
06:11:44Benacoolh ... yea i don't know what is it ...
06:12:04jomtonesnow all I need is a friggin 'power-off on the decks pitch-dive and stop' plugin =)
06:13:19baobab68Benacool: you use third party software (eg I use MediaMonkey). You tell the software what's the loudest db you would like your music to be (I use 89db).
06:13:34Benacoolok okay ^^
06:13:56Benacoolso the firmware normalize the sound output to a certain level ?
06:14:03baobab68Benacool: and the software goes through and adds a tag to each file to express if it should be played "a bit louder" or "a bit softer" in order to just reach 89db.
06:14:19baobab68the actual audio data is NOT modified in your files, only adds a tag.
06:14:35baobab68and then RB reads that tag and 'normalises' the volume on the fly...!
06:14:48baobab68so you don't get a "loud" song and a soft song.
06:15:01Benacooland how you add this tag ?
06:15:17baobab68you can read more about the standard at
06:15:51baobab68as i said, i catalog my music using MediaMonkey. It supports adding replaygain tags, and they're seeming to be working in RB for me.
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06:16:16baobab68oops, it's .com, sorry
06:17:23baobab68there are people here who would find my explanation simplistic.
06:17:23Benacoolok hanks
06:18:12Benacoolyour explanations were perfect ;-)
06:19:13baobab68any h3xx users here at the moment? how are you finding battery life?
06:20:18Benacoolafter 5 hours the battery metter was at 50%
06:20:31Benacoolmore than 5 hours in reality
06:20:31baobab68not bad
06:20:55Benacooli didn't make any real test
06:21:26jomtonesmaybe I'll make my next player an Archos to take advantage of this all working perfectly... good idea?
06:21:32Benacoolthe best thing is to run the battery_test plugin
06:21:39baobab68i was finding mine eating battery a bit quick, but i just discovered that if i leave the thing along, and stop turning the backlight on, it is *much* better.
06:21:56Benacoolat your playe i'll buy a H1x0 or a H3x0
06:22:22DJ00ok i got rockbox on my h340 now whats so special about it
06:22:37Benacoolhum ... OTF Playlists
06:22:54baobab68read comments above for some examples of RB improvements
06:22:55Benacoolsupport of many audio formats
06:23:20Benacool(gameboy ....)
06:23:33jomtonesyeah? the iRiver is still a lot better than the Archos? Even without perfect Rockbox yet?
06:23:34Benacoollot of plugins
06:23:40baobab68has a few examples
06:23:54baobab68jomtones: believe it...!
06:24:10baobab68jomtones: you can always reboot into iriver fw if you want to play a video
06:24:33jomtonesmy 140 now says 'upgrading'... :)
06:25:02jomtonesso how do I choose which OS to boot into?...
06:25:12baobab68have you put the rockbox files on the hard drive (.rockbox folder and rockbox.iriver file?)
06:25:20jomtonesahh :)
06:25:29jomtonesrushing ahead, I'll RTF!
06:25:34baobab68it won't boot properly until u do that
06:25:44Benacoolyou hold Rec and play to boot the original firmware
06:25:57baobab68once you've done that, play starts rockbox, play+rec starts iriver
06:26:30Benacoolplug your player with usb after you have updated the firmware and copy the rckbox files in it
06:26:57Benacoollastest builds are there
06:27:22Benacool(this link is at the bottom of the page)
06:29:36Benacoolsomething wrong ?
06:30:01baobab68jomtones: working ok?
06:30:08jomtones1 sec! :)
06:30:26jomtoneswe are ONLINE!
06:31:05jomtonesnow I just have to work out how to use it :)
06:31:11jomtonesthanks guys!
06:31:18Benacoolit's nothing ^^
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06:32:55jomtoneslooks nice...
06:33:03jomtonescan it record mp3 already?
06:33:13Lost-ashno, only to wav atm
06:33:34Lost-ashwe don't have an on-the-fly encoding framework yet
06:34:06jomtonesshame, the live monitoring is cool
06:34:25jomtoneswhat a pity the rockbox team aren't working for iRiver!
06:34:51Lost-ashit'll get done eventually, although it might work for some other codec than mp3 first. (possibly a lossless one)
06:34:58jomtonesit's so shocking that teams of enthusiasts put together stuff that's so much better than paid engineers....
06:36:00Lost-ashjomtones: rockbox's been in development for a fair while, on the archos platform.
06:36:50Lost-asha lot of infrastructure came from there, filesystem drivers, disk i/o, button framework, lcd framework, plugins, etc.
06:37:10Lost-ashit's only since the iriver came along that they've had the need (and the capability to do) software decoding
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06:41:32Benacoolgoodnight everybody !
06:41:44jomtonesok i gotta sleep! nearly 6am here...:)
06:41:47baobab68Benacool: gn
06:41:51Benacoolok ^^
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06:42:05jomtones(just back from the club)...
06:42:25jomtonesnice one, gn
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07:12:22Lost-ashDrumRBoy320|Away: if you read this, the voice stuff is spoken menus and filenames, useful for vision impared.
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10:10:50jokerwas the removal of the quick repeat, shuffle menu intentional in the latest build?
10:11:02jokeror am I the only one who can't access it?
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10:24:21markunmorning all
10:25:25jokermorning markun
10:26:15jokernot everyone lives in your time zone ;)
10:26:16markunZak1392: yes, it is here. Where are you from?
10:29:55markunAustralia. Not exactly morning then no :)
10:30:37Zak1392is there any way to write text files in h300 rockbox?
10:31:16markunno, I don't think there is an editor plugin
10:31:54jokeroh, my previous question
10:32:05joker(04:10:51) _ < joker > was the removal of the quick repeat, shuffle menu intentional in the latest build?
10:32:27jokeror... where did it move to, I can't find it
10:32:36Zak1392here's what i read in the h300 color plugins topic on mistic river: "for the topic: PLEASE put an rockword in it, the thing they put in is HORRIBLE!!!!! cant do anything, it even freezes while typing!" and "in rockbox there already is a calculator (scientific) (not adjusted properly to bigger screen) and a wordpad plugin (no formatting though just.txt) but no paint"
10:33:16ashridahZak1392: might be accessible via a viewer
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10:33:32ashridahjoker: not sure, i don't remember seeing any references to that in recent cvs.
10:34:35jokerashridah: oh
10:34:50ashridahhow did you get to it normally?
10:34:58jokercan someone please test to see if it was indeed moved somewhere
10:34:58*ashridah doesn't have his unit handy, bbs
10:35:21jokerby holding on the a/b button or the record button
10:35:36jokerI forgot which one, but I know it was on the right of the h3xx
10:35:52jokerafter like a 3 secs hold that menu comes up
10:36:35*ashridah grabs a bleeding edge build
10:37:10jokerthx ashridah
10:37:49ashridahholding A-B while it's playing definently shows up with a shuffle/repeat thinggy for yesterday's bleeding edge stuff
10:37:59Zak1392works for me
10:38:15jokerZak1392: latest bleeding edge?
10:38:33Zak1392well, about an hour ago
10:38:57jokerok, let me re-grab it then
10:39:03jokermine was about 5hrs ago
10:40:02ashridahgod window's fat32 driver sucks
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10:40:25ashridahunpacking in linux takes about 3 seconds. :)
10:41:20SlasheriHmm, i just started designing a tagcache. I am not sure if it will ever work (there are still some small minor issues), but if it does it allows transparent building of the tag database inside rockbox
10:41:32t0massounds cool
10:41:33ashridahjoker: definently works here.
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10:41:41t0masashridah: talking about slow cygwin?
10:41:46ashridaht0mas: no
10:42:07t0mas3 secs in linux -> 30 in win/cygwin
10:42:22t0masis my experience.... especially with the devkit for some reason
10:42:35ashridah3 seconds to unzip to the unit vs about 30 to unpack it on windows from a download of the bleeding edge
10:43:06jokerashridah: ...? I just grabbed the latest bleeding edge
10:43:18jokerit still is not working
10:44:15ashridahdon't know what to tell you. it's definently a recent copy.
10:44:19jokerwhen I hold the ab button down, the time remaining, time playing numbers twiches back and forth
10:44:24ashridahtry clearing your config? (save it to a .cfg first)
10:45:58jokerok, I just did that, it isn't working still
10:46:21jokermaybe this is related to the h3xx build only?
10:48:14jokerashridah: ah, it doesn't come up while playing
10:48:22jokerI thought it used to come up while playing
10:48:41jokerit does however come up when not playing
10:49:47ashridahit does here
10:49:57ashridahwhile playing and while in the filebrowser
10:51:37jokerwhile playing, whenever I hold it down, the numbers skips back and forth, and that's about all it does
10:52:32ashridahwhich model of player is this?
10:52:47jokerI have an h340
10:53:25ashridahodd. i'm using a 140, we need a h3x0 person to verify this
10:54:17jokeryes we do :(
10:54:20Zak1392can't do it now. listening to music on my comp
10:54:34Zak1392i'll pause it
10:56:22Zak1392just did it. does the same thing joker said
10:57:56jokeryay, I'm not daft
10:58:09ashridahjoker do you know how long ago it worked?
10:58:34jokerjust yesterday or the day before that it still worked
11:00:34ashridahhrm. can't think of any changes that might have done it. one of the devs might know better.
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11:01:59Zak1392is it a problem for you joker?
11:02:11Zak1392it doesn't really bother me
11:02:23jokeryes, a nuisance since I use it kind of often
11:03:51Zak1392here's yesterdays build:
11:04:04Zak1392day before:
11:04:20ashridahZak1392: we really need commit-by-commit builds, so we can work out which one does it.
11:04:22Zak1392it might fix it
11:04:30ashridahunfortunately, i'm about 1000k's from my dev environment
11:04:43ashridahand i have crap bandwidth there anyway
11:04:50jokerZak1392: yeah, I'll downgrade
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11:06:28Acksawanyone got a 1.29k rockbox h300 build they can send me?
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11:07:44Acksawa rockbox firmware build with 1.29k on it..
11:08:27Zak1392isn't that not allowed?
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11:08:30Acksawfwpatcher doesnt agree with my pc
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11:08:40Acksawwhy wouldnt it be alowed?
11:09:05Zak1392tried that?
11:09:14Acksawof course i have
11:09:19Acksawi tried everything
11:09:24Acksawit did this last time
11:09:31Acksawwas solved with being sent a patched fw
11:09:35jokerAcksaw: I can send you the patched bootloader if you want
11:10:34Acksawill accept in about 5 minutes
11:10:37Acksawwanna test mine again
11:11:45jokerall daily builds in december have that bug
11:11:58*joker is gonna try nov's builds
11:13:02jokerAcksaw: tell me when you want it
11:13:44Acksawim testing it now...
11:14:06*Zak1392 can't find H300.hex
11:14:43*Zak1392 smacks himself in the head.
11:15:00Acksawlooks like its working
11:15:03Acksawversion 3
11:15:29Acksawits working
11:15:30Acksawthanks all
11:18:07Zak1392YOUR WELCOME!
11:18:36Zak1392damn caps lock :(
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11:22:38jokerheh, I thought you needed it
11:22:38jokerok, nov 30th build doesn't work either
11:22:38jokerI could have sworn it was working about 2,3 days ago
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11:24:49ghode|afkdoes anyone know if there is a file in the rockbox zip that shows the date/time of the build?
11:29:09JdGordonhaha morse code in the virtual keyboard :D
11:33:22JdGordondunno.. but from the cvs log "iRiver: Added initial support for standard morse code input to virtual keyboard."
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11:52:19Bgerit should work with short and long presses of the select button (joy push)
11:55:35Bgerbut it's not enabled
11:55:57Bgerand there's not setting for it yet
11:56:23JdGordonshort and long presses would take too long
11:56:31JdGordony not 1 button for short and 1 for long
11:56:57JdGordonanyway, im off, bbl
11:57:07Bgerdepends on how long is "long"
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12:02:22ep0ch|Slasheri: are you here? I think i've figured out how to replicate a playback bug i mentioned a week ago
12:02:41Slasheriep0ch|: yes :)
12:02:48Jungti1234It's snowing!
12:02:51ep0ch|oh good
12:03:20ep0ch|Slasheri: i'm using Vorbis, no crossfade, replaygain on
12:03:39Jungti1234It may snow more
12:04:35ep0ch|Slasheri: go into a directory, go straight to the last song in that dir, let it buffer, hit previous let it buffer, hit next,let it buffer, hit previous and then playback will stop
12:04:59Slasheriep0ch|: ah, interesting, thanks :) i will try soon
12:05:12ep0ch|using a build as of 10 mins ago btw
12:07:35Slasheriep0ch|: hehe, i was able to reproduce that :)
12:08:36ep0ch|ah good, took me a while to figure out how to replicate it!
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12:28:04Jungti1234Is Europe very cold now?
12:28:49Slasheriep0ch|: i found the bug :)
12:29:06ep0ch|nice one
12:29:20*muesli_- smacks Jungti1234 around a bit with a fat cow
12:29:22muesli_-yes :D
12:30:08Jungti1234The Asia is very cold, too.
12:30:41muesli_-where are you from`? asia is huge
12:31:07Jungti1234Coldness of Europe called on early because of unusual change of weather.
12:31:17ep0ch|London isnt that cold at the moment, but it is raining though of course ;)
12:31:46muesli_-as usual ;)
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12:32:26Jungti1234Britain = England
12:32:29ep0ch|well it rains a lot in the north
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12:47:39linuxstbSlasheri: Nice idea for tagcache - I hope it becomes a reality.
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13:14:39Slasheriep0ch|: fixed
13:15:17Slasherilinuxstb: yeah, at least at the moment it seems possible to do (i have already some code i am testing with)
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13:25:21leftrightHi Slasheri, hows things
13:26:03Slasherilinuxstb: hi :) fine, thanks. Just investigating how tagcache could be implemented
13:27:42leftrightI had that same hanging bug that epoch reported, but I couldn' reproduce it,
13:28:23Slasheriah, now it should have been fixed
13:29:01Slasherithe problem was that at the end of playlist, buffer filling code was disabled. And when user tried to seek beginning of the track (rebuffering needed), nothing happened
13:30:56ashridahSlasheri: you don't have a H3xx yet do you?
13:31:08Slasheriashridah: nope :/
13:31:29leftrightgapless is ok during normal playback without seeking, as preglow pointed out, somehow seeking or ffwd breaks gapless
13:32:02Slasheriyep.. probably the sample counter goes wrong
13:32:03ashridahah. someone's reported a bug where holding a-b while music is playing doesn't trigger the normal shuffle/repeat screen
13:32:11ashridahit works on my H1xx with a bleeding edge
13:32:15ashridahbut not on the H3xx
13:32:26ashridahstarted failing in the last day
13:32:27Slasherihmm, weird
13:32:32ashridahcan't see any obvious cvs changes that'd do it
13:33:23leftrightashridah: I have just tried it and the quick menu works fine during playback
13:33:39MoosSlasheri: hi, I'm wondered if the fact of gapless not full yet make your Crossfade poped?
13:34:11leftrightH140 user
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13:34:24SlasheriMoos: that shouldn't cause the problem.. there is some bug(s) with the crossfader code
13:34:39Moosa ok thanks :)
13:34:45Slasherii haven't yet managed to find them
13:35:02Moosis not a priority for you? :)
13:35:21Slasherinot the highest priorities at the moment ;)
13:35:26Slasheribut it will be fixed
13:35:38Moosalways lot of things in progress XD
13:35:51Slasheriit just requires much of time.. also more options to the crossfader should be implemented
13:36:08Mooshehe :)
13:36:36Moosyour Crossfade is probably one of the best playback feature, thanks again for it
13:36:51ashridahleftright: yeah, it works for the H1xx, just not for at least two people with the H3xx
13:37:31MoosSlasheri: the triggering volume thing for Crossafed would be really candy
13:38:03SlasheriMoos: yep, that will come later :)
13:38:25Mooslet's hope on it :D
13:40:11MoosSlasheri: is your playback engine used in the H3xx too?
13:40:49ashridahit's shared between all software-codec capable units
13:41:14SlasheriMoos: yes, it's the very same engine (used by all software codec platforms)
13:41:22Mooshehe :)
13:41:29Moosthanks for info
13:41:44leftrightcrossfade if shuffled is a very neat feature,
13:42:56Mooshere always Crossfade, I coulldn't live without :)
13:43:58leftrighthmm, I like to hear some albums without crossfade, ie gapless, but if its a various compilation or shuffled then I use crossfade
13:44:28leftrightlotsa config switching :)
13:44:45Moosis it's true when I listening one DJ disc, the DJ make the crossfade with his hands
13:44:56ashridahMoos: yes
13:45:24ashridahthey often beatsync it too, so they fiddle with the pitch of the next song until the beats are in time and at the same rate
13:46:13MoosI love DJ works when they are good ones
13:46:15ashridahtakes skill to do that right, particularly with vinyl
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13:49:47aliaskNo arguments from me, I tried it once, and was bad enough never to try again. :)
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13:56:42peturany cygwin/insight user around?
13:57:52peturrunning the win32 sim in Insight causes all console messages to come up as messageboxes. very annoying.
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14:03:11peturquestion: when building the sim I get a as well, but not when building for target (3x0)
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14:04:53*petur reads the wiki and is building his zip ;)
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14:56:03lostlogicxooh, new bootloader, and new firmwarend new rockbox build going on my player today
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15:29:34Rob2222_Can the H1x0 RB move files on HD?
15:37:23lostlogicxOooh, I think it might actually be profiling!
15:37:27lostlogicxwe'll find out in a lil' while.
15:42:12JdGordonany1 tested the new h300 boot loadeR?
15:42:27lostlogicxJdGordon: yes, using it
15:42:36JdGordonwith 1.29?
15:42:39lostlogicxpreglow: well it's running slow like it's profiling but I didn't get a file output.
15:42:46lostlogicxbut I must be pretty close to something working.
15:45:56preglowwell, should profiling slow it down too much?
15:46:11lostlogicxchanging from relative "profile.out" to absolute "/profile.out"
15:46:12lostlogicxpreglow: yes.
15:46:19preglowBagder: here?
15:47:03lostlogicxpreglow: 1) it executes a timer function every 1ms or so and 2) it executes two extra function calls for _every_ function call during profiling, one of which has between 10 and 100 instructions in it and the other between 5 and 20.
15:47:10peturJdGordon: H3x0 bootloader with 1.29eu works here just fine
15:47:52JdGordonis there any real point going to the v3 fw?
15:47:56preglowbtw, i actually get _gaps_ between some of my .ogg tracks now
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15:47:58JdGordonif im happy with 1.28
15:47:58preglowanyone else?
15:48:29lostlogicxlike gaps you didn't used to get?
15:48:33peturv3 is supposed to fix the bootproblems some have, and turn off the LCD when backlight is off
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15:48:38preglowlostlogicx: yes
15:48:41ghode|afkpreglow: i think someone posted on the forums about ogg as well
15:48:47ghode|afkah LEar, just in time :p
15:49:29ghode|afknm :p
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15:50:34preglowghode|afk: well, i can't find it
15:52:26lostlogicx*sigh* why isn't it writing the file?
15:53:10ghode|afk - Musicmad mentions problems with ogg
15:53:16Slasherihehe, initial tag cache building succeeded. It took about 10 minutes on background while music was playing :)
15:53:21preglowlostlogicx: you didn't forget O_CREAT, i hope? :P
15:53:42preglowSlasheri: many files`?
15:53:51Slasheripreglow: about 5000
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15:54:50lostlogicxpreglow: I did not forget O_CREAT
15:55:07Slasheriin future it should be possible to browse by tags without needing external tools to build tagdb
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15:55:09lostlogicxmore likely my profstop() function isn't getting called on stop press for one reason or another.
15:55:22chendoi've compiled my own uisimulator using cross-compiling on linux and rockboxui runs when i put my .rockbox dir into archos, but the screen just stays empty apart from the things at the top and it chews up 100% cpu
15:55:24preglowSlasheri: i'd love it if the same code base was used for both on- and off target building
15:55:26chendoam i doing anything wrong
15:55:37LearBuild question: Shouldn't codecs/Makefile include the depfile it creates?
15:55:53Learchendo: why cross-compile the ui simulator?
15:56:03chendobecause i don't have VC++
15:56:10Slasheripreglow: i doubt that will be possible, because tagdb depends on disk and tagcache uses just ram when it's fully loaded
15:56:19chendoi have nmake, but it errors out chronically
15:56:29Slasheriand tagcache needs also dircache to function
15:56:31chendoso, the whole thing runs fine, cept it just has a blank screen and chews 100% cpu
15:56:33Learand try using the keys; the display will be empty if there are no files in the archos folder (except perhaps .rockbox)
15:57:03JonSeniorOK. Still having issues with disassembling the iRiver firmware.
15:57:21JonSeniorHas anyone managed to get blocks of usable code out of the H300?
15:57:23chendoah, that works
15:57:30chendobut it still chews up 100% CPU :(
15:57:32Learah, so you cross-compile rather than install cygwin on windows or run the ui simulator on linux? :)
15:57:40JonSeniorI seem to have it, and then I hit a jump to a non-existant location!
15:58:10Learyes, that's normal, unfortunately. Once upon a time (some months ago) it didn't use 100% CPU, but I haven't looked much as to why it does now...
15:58:14chendoLear: well, i have a linux server
15:58:16chendono UI
15:58:20chendoer, screen, whatever
15:58:26chendoand cygwin requires setting up ;p
15:58:30chendoor whatever
15:59:42Slasheripreglow: so tagdb could work on all targets and tagcache would be limited on targets with more ram..
15:59:57Learchendo: the win32 version of yield() probably needs a tweak or two, but it isn't quite that easy if music playback should continue working...
16:00:28preglowso, no one knows why i get gaps with ogg files some times?
16:01:04LearARE there gaps? Seems like musicmad wasn't sure?
16:01:11preglowgreat, big, intrusive gaps
16:01:15preglowwell, i am sure
16:01:16LearSorry, didn't read you close enough. :)
16:01:22Slasheripreglow: Hmm, some times?
16:01:24preglowi know which albums aren't supposed to have gaps
16:01:38preglowwell, yeah, there aren't always gaps
16:01:41preglowwhich is a bit strange
16:01:49preglowit's a new problem as well
16:01:51preglowi've never had it before
16:01:52JdGordonw00t succesefully flashed to v3
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16:03:36LearJust tried one Ogg transition, and that worked just fine..
16:04:52LearHm.. Don't think I like that double-click left/right thingy... A bit too easy to trigger by mistake...
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16:08:28JonSeniorAnother question then... using objdump to disassemble the code I get references to registers which are given as numerical values...
16:08:46JonSenior... rather than register names: 3086 3087.
16:09:11JonSeniorI'm assuming from the code around them that they are registers, but that objdump doesn't know what they're called.
16:09:40JonSeniorI've yet to find the information in the manual to explain how to go from machine code to register names
16:09:44JonSeniorAny ideas?
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16:10:09LearObjdump doesn't understand the opcodes and shows you incorrect information?
16:11:11JonSeniorNo. It gives a correct disassemble, but doesn't seem to know what certain register values are called.
16:11:19JonSeniorAt least... it seems to.
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16:11:39lostlogicxIf anyone is interested in trying to help me figure out why writing out the profiling results isn't happening:"> and Makefile.patch (to patch the configure generated makefile to turn on profiling)
16:11:46Learpreglow, I've tested a couple of tracks now, and I don't hear any problem...
16:12:28preglowLear: it always happens after having listened to quite a few tracks first
16:12:36preglowit MIGHT be some kind of buffering glitch, actually
16:16:22preglowand btw, does buffering take into account resampling when it decides when to start buffering?
16:16:39preglowthe remaining buffer might vanish faster than it thinks
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16:18:58preglowman, motor faders are fun!
16:19:21eli_shererpeople, RockWord is on the move...
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16:22:00linuxstbLear: Is a chained Ogg file simply created by doing "cat 1.ogg 2.ogg 3.ogg > all.ogg" ?
16:22:04Jungti1234eli_sherer: really?
16:22:27Learlinuxstb: yes.
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16:23:04Leardoesn't play in rockbox though (but perhaps you knew that already...). :/
16:23:30linuxstbIs it worth adding support for them to Rockbox? Is that a common thing for people to do with their Oggs?
16:24:18linuxstbI'm assuming that it's also perfectly legal to have different codecs in the different Ogg files concatenated together.
16:24:33LearNot that common, afaik, but it isn't easy to add right now. Getting them to play should be real easy, if we can reset the malloc buf in some easy way, but seek/tags are worse...
16:24:42Jungti1234eli_sherer: I want to use it.
16:24:57LearNot sure about that; don't remember having read anything about it (either way) though...
16:26:08linuxstbLear: I've started writing an Ogg parser for use by the vorbis, FLAC and hopefully Speex codecs in Rockbox. I didn't like the Tremor or libogg2 versions.
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16:26:44DimiBoyhi guys!
16:27:34DimiBoyi have a few questions about rockbox for h300 can someone help me a little?
16:29:17Jungti1234What question?
16:29:23LearYou plan to modify Tremor to use it then?
16:29:43LearHave you looked at oggz (or whatever it's called)?
16:30:18DimiBoywell i installed today rockbox on my h300 its perfect! but i cant find radio or picture viewing and recording is it me or they are not ready yet?
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16:30:32linuxstbLear: Yes - I'll try and get both Tremor and FLAC working with it.
16:30:37Amarnot ready yet
16:30:39Jungti1234Not yet
16:30:41JonSeniorGot it. Page 274 of the Coldfire PRM contains a mapping of addresses to supervisor state registers. MBAR = 0xC0F (3087) and MBAR2 = 0xC0E (3086)
16:30:41preglowLear: codec_init() (or whateveR) resets the malloc bug
16:31:01DimiBoyoh ok so everything is good with me
16:31:28DimiBoywell no more questions thanks guys!
16:31:40Learpreglow: Yes, here I think we would in effect need to call it from within Tremor... Not sure though; maybe codecs/vorbis.c could do it.
16:31:40linuxstbLear: I've looked at liboggz as well - it's full of malloc/realloc etc.
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16:32:39linuxstbI want something very streamlined.
16:32:42lostlogicxOh, it wrote something out at least, definitely not working right yet though :(
16:32:47LearHm... Writing a new ogg parser for our needs makes sense acutally... But the hard part would be to modify vorbisfile.c., methinks...
16:33:24linuxstbOgg seems a relatively simple format (too simple for my liking). The only painful thing will be seeking.
16:34:33preglowthey've managed to write quite a number of code lines to support it
16:34:42preglowso something about it has to be non-straightforward
16:34:44LearNot a part of Ogg, really. The codec must handle most of it, I think...
16:35:35linuxstbSeeking has nothing to do with what's contained inside the pages - it's purely an Ogg thing IMO.
16:35:38LearI think it is the gapless support mainly; for that you need to decode a frame partially, to figure out the exact number of samples in it.
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16:36:32LearBut Ogg can't know what's inside the audio packets. Sure, Ogg can to a coarse-grained seek (to the right page).
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16:36:46linuxstbYou just decode the whole frame, and then discard the extra samples at the end.
16:37:10LearOr at the beginning...
16:37:22MassaHi vereyxbody!
16:37:40MassaOops, I meant "Hi everybody"
16:38:01eli_shererJungti1234: it's really just a prototype...
16:38:46eli_shererno actual writing possible just the gui is more then half working...
16:38:50MassaFor me is currently unreachable - is it just for me or has anybody else the same problem?
16:39:08eli_sherermassa: nope its fine
16:39:26Jungti1234ah ok
16:39:36linuxstbLear: Vorbis streams have extra samples at the start as well? I can't find that mentioned in the docs.
16:39:45linuxstbThe docs only mention the final frame.
16:40:03MassaWhen I enter the address to my browser, it turns it's waiting cursor forever and no page appears :(
16:40:16linuxstbLear: Sorry, I've just read more about dropping samples.
16:41:09MassaBrowser if Firefox 1.5
16:41:34eli_shererJungtil1234: even though my rockpaint isn't very operative i want that at least writing will be possible maybe even backspacing...
16:42:20Jungti1234Rockpaint is difficult.
16:42:27lostlogicx*dances* profiling is in some semblance of working!
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16:42:34Jungti1234It need many efforts.
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16:43:24preglowLear: why'd one need to drop samples at the beginning? latency?
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16:44:02LearYes, I think so. That's the reason why you need it for MP3 at least.
16:47:39preglowhas anyone actually used mp3 in an ogg container? :PPP
16:51:26lostlogicxI wonder if this profiling data will be any good... skipping as much as it is, I fear it may be an inaccurate picture. (basically skips continuously)
16:52:16ShaikotenIs the H300 skip on Ogg Q10 only?
16:52:42lostlogicxShaikoten: whenever oggs go over about 300 kbps for a sustained time, it skips.
16:52:57ShaikotenOK, cool. I stay at Q8 most of the time.
16:53:05preglowi wouldn't even use that much
16:53:10Shaikoten(These things are important, my repaied H340 will be on my doorstep in about an hour :)
16:53:12preglowvorbis scales pretty badly to high bitrates
16:53:13lostlogicxa lot of my q7s skip during applause
16:53:51lostlogicxpreglow: think it's vorbis or rockbox causing the problem?
16:54:11preglownot scale like that
16:54:14preglowit's a rockbox problem
16:54:28preglowit's just that vorbis quality doesn't improve too rapidly with increasing quality factors
16:54:40preglowit's primarily tunes for lower bitrates
16:54:40lostlogicxyeah, not over 5 from what I've heard
16:54:46preglowi use 5
16:54:53preglowbut i'm starting to think i might want to go 6
16:55:03preglowwhat i WANT to do is go musepack, but that can't seek, so there you go
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16:56:57lostlogicxgah, either my recursive writing code, or my linked storing code for profiling is highly botched.
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17:19:13eli_shererit's about to work
17:19:39*eli_sherer excited
17:21:34*eli_sherer disappointed
17:21:47lostlogicxwhat's RockWork?
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17:25:11eli_shererrockword...a program im making like word but for iriver h300...
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17:27:25preglowman, it'll be slow...
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17:27:33preglowmake sure you support morse code input
17:27:40eli_shererdone! it's working woohoo!!!!!
17:27:45pregloweli_sherer: screenshots!
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17:28:05eli_shereri'll release it now on my web then...some screenshots!
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17:29:29peturwhat's going wrong if rb wont play music (codec failure) with my build? Latest downloaded build works OK. RB itself also OK.
17:30:10petur.rockbox folder with my RB build is OK too
17:30:25peturso it seems to be my build of the codecs
17:31:00lostlogicxpreglow: I'm _|_ that close to getting real profiling results.
17:31:03eli_shererlet me sugercoat it first before i release just afew minutes
17:31:55Learpetur: incompatible codecs (api version mismatch). Make sure you buildt and installed them properly.
17:32:24peturdid a make, then make install and then copied the lot to my h340
17:32:51peturclean and rebuild?
17:33:43Jungti1234I wait him.
17:35:22preglowlostlogicx: sounds good!
17:36:15preglowi'm looking forward to hearing about it
17:36:30preglowbut now it's teebee & calyx time, i might pop back tomorrow, later all
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17:40:30Learpetur: rebuild might help, yes...
17:41:05peturI *do* hope it's not because of gcc 4.0.2
17:41:23peturI'm quite sure people wrote here that was OK
17:46:00LearI've made working builds with 4.0.1...
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17:47:39eli_sherereveryone: ROCKWORD IS ON THE WEB!!! (beta version 0.1)
17:50:44Jungti1234I waited you.
17:50:47Jungti1234I will test it.
17:51:24Jungti1234Doesn't Hangul become input?
17:51:40Amar looks nice
17:51:54eli_shererJungtil1234: "Hangul"?
17:52:24*petur starts formatting is h340 - rockbox folder corrupted :(
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17:53:01*eli_sherer wonders what hangul is!?
17:53:03Jungti1234eli_sherer: Korean
17:53:52eli_shereri will add keyboard addition feature which in you can add more keyboard bitmaps with characters list attached to it
17:53:53Jungti1234I want Hangul input.
17:53:57Jungti1234Is it possible?
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17:54:21eli_shererit is but youll need to change the font of the writing and i don't gurantee it'll look nice
17:54:42webguest08problem with the unicode patch: i can't read korean text files
17:55:19eli_shererbut my rockword does support changes of font cause i used lcd_getstringsize...
17:55:20webguest08tried ansi, unicode, unicode big endian, and utf-8
17:55:28webguest08none of them works
17:55:40eli_shererwg08: what do you mean...
17:55:52Jungti1234Do you want this?
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17:56:02eli_shererwg08: make sure youv'e installed the unicode version of rockbox...
17:56:23ShaikotenWell, just got my iRiver in the mail. They flashed it to 1.08E instead of 1.28K.
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17:57:00ShaikotenAnnoying, have to upgrade the FW before I put the bootloader on.
17:57:42lostlogicxShaikoten: before?
17:57:44lostlogicxShaikoten: while
17:57:48eli_shererJungti1234: i won't make the keyboard by myself you make it for you...
17:58:10eli_shererbut not until the feature is gonna be written which is in the long run...
17:58:32lamed_there was some article somwhere in the web about how to make a line in to a car stereo by patching in the circuit. can anyone help me find it?
17:58:38Jungti1234Don't make for me.
17:58:50Jungti1234Make for everybody.
17:59:17eli_shererjungti1234: well as soon as i'm done with bidi support...
17:59:35maxAnyone here who works on the iPod port?
17:59:42Jungti1234What is bidi? ^^;
18:00:06Jungti1234ah thanks
18:00:09eli_shererBi-Directional Languages like Hebrew which is Right to Left and English is Left-to Right
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18:00:26lamed_eli_sherer - what are you working on?
18:00:45eli_shererrockword...login to my site and d/l my latest creation!
18:01:20eli_shererbtw the hebrew on rockword isn't functional...
18:01:28lamed_isn't it?
18:01:38lamed_how come?
18:01:38eli_shererit's the same as english for now...
18:01:55lamed_in what manner?
18:02:10eli_shererbecause i'm using the system font and it doesn't have hebrew in it...
18:02:46Jungti1234'Gulim' can use Korean and English.
18:03:24lamed_eli_sherer: what changes are you up and about to the bidi support?
18:04:18eli_shererwhen your writing in hebrew the apperances of the letters need to be from right to left and when in english left to right...
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18:05:38lamed_what do you mean "when you'r writing", you can't write in rockbox using hebrew at all corrently as the built in font contains only gibberish letters, not hebrew.
18:06:58eli_shererthat's why i'm gonna use another font that does support all of the characters i'm using...or it will support the font that the system is using ehich you pick in the browse fonts menu
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18:10:04Jungti1234Very sightly
18:10:09lamed_if you'r interested, my screen scroll patch is a very good place to start the ltr aligned text mod, that we should probebly make some day to make everything really be ltr compatible.
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18:13:17ShaikotenFantastic. Clean fast install and it passes my gapless test. :D
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18:29:07linuxstbmax: I'm working on the iPod port...
18:29:42maxlinuxstb: I'd like to help.
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18:30:14maxI've written a real time OS before (albeit x86), so I think I might be useful
18:30:59Jungti1234hahaha eli_sherer, I made Hangul keyboard bmp.
18:33:42eli_shererjungti1234: i'de like to see it
18:34:36linuxstbmax: Which iPod do you have?
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18:34:41maxI have a mini 1st gen
18:34:56linuxstbAre you familiar with ipodlinux?
18:35:29maxFamilar yes, but I have not yet installed it.
18:35:49max( I also have a small amount of game boy experience, which may or may not help :P )
18:36:22linuxstbThe first thing you would have to do is to write an LCD driver for Rockbox. That's the main difference I think between the Mini and the two iPods Rockbox is targetting.
18:36:31linuxstbI've got a 60GB Color, and preglow has a Nano.
18:36:45linuxstbWe're the only two people working on the iPod port of Rockbox.
18:37:37eli_shererjungti1234: that's very nice, i'll use it in the next version...i just need the chars for each key
18:38:01maxAllright. I can try cannibalizing the IPL code. Where is your code available?
18:38:13maxAnd do you have a mailing list of discussion forum? There doesn't appear to be one at the site
18:38:17maxother than some general information
18:38:26Jungti1234chars for each key?
18:38:37linuxstbmax: The code is all in the Rockbox CVS.
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18:39:11linuxstbAll the discussion happens here in IRC.
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18:40:09linuxstbThere is a rockbox-dev mailing list, but most people ask and answer questions here.
18:41:32linuxstbYou should also obviously arm yourself with a copy of the ipodlinux CVS, and/or their new SVN repository.
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18:42:37eli_shererjungti1234: i need a list of like 'a','b','c',... but in korean with the parallel qwerty near it
18:42:40Jungti1234eli_sherer: What help do you need to make it?
18:43:11Jungti1234What should I give?
18:43:17eli_shererin hebrew and probably you wont see it but (T-)
18:43:47Jungti1234It pronounces that it is 'woo'.
18:43:59eli_shererwrite a text file in unicode... q and what q is on the korean,w and what w is on the korean...
18:44:27lamed_found it! if anyone is interested in hacking his car stereo for line in input :
18:45:18lamed_damn. it's not it.
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18:52:09maxlinuxstb: I plan on it. Indeed. :)
18:52:52Jungti1234hey eli_sherer
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18:55:36eli_shererjungti1234: what's that
18:55:42dropandhoSlasheri - you happen to be around still?
18:56:36Jungti1234eli_sherer: I don't know whether I use unicode how.
18:57:17eli_shererwhen you save in notepad choose "unicode" encoding...
18:57:23Jungti1234AC00B098B2E4 <- this?
18:57:54eli_shererIRC doesn't support unicode i think...
18:58:09Jungti1234You it how look ?
18:59:50ender`eli_sherer: sure it does
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19:01:54Jungti1234Made all.
19:02:16Jungti1234eli_sherer : How do I send it to you?
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19:03:39JonSeniorHelp!!! I'm now trying the Coldfire emulator linked from Rockbox, and the only result is that I get a seg fault when I try to run the firmware. Has anyone had any success with this? Have I just screwed up the build somehow?
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19:10:58eli_shereryou can try..
19:11:52Slasheridropandho: yes, now again :)
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19:15:00Jungti1234Receive it
19:17:47eli_shererhow do i receive?
19:18:31eli_shererit's transfering?
19:19:01Jungti1234Do you receive by E-mail?
19:19:57eli_shererjungti1234: it's in your private chat...
19:20:28Jungti1234What is your E-mail address?
19:20:39eli_shererdam'n im not registered so no private message...
19:21:04maxYou can't sent privmsg's if you're not registered?
19:21:25eli_sherer"Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( )"
19:21:27Jungti1234I'm possible.
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19:24:06Jungti1234I sent E-mail.
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19:25:57eli_sherernow im registered...
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19:30:46eli_shererjungti1234: what are kosft?
19:31:43eli_shereroh...doesn't it type english letters if shift is pressed in your keyboard?
19:32:43Jungti1234Is same with alphabet big letter.
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19:33:37Jungti1234Korean keyboard is ko/en button.
19:33:45eli_shererim sorry but im having trouble downloading the korean.txt can you zip it and then send it to me
19:34:30Jungti1234Do I send by E-mail?
19:35:08Jungti1234BMP too?
19:35:31eli_shererno just the txt
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19:36:51eli_sherergot it
19:37:31eli_shererhehe i can see korean...
19:38:01eli_shererjungti1234: just as i need
19:38:17DimaTechMy Archos wont mount again
19:40:29DimaTechnot great
19:40:39DimaTechIt does charge it through usb though
19:40:43DimaTechThe archos fm recorder
19:42:05Jungti1234I spoke to eli.
19:42:06eli_shererjungti1234: there's a problem...i use unsigned char which is 0-255 and unicode is 0-65535
19:42:21maxeli: You could use UTF-8
19:42:28eli_shererno go...
19:42:46eli_shererand how do i use it in snprintf()
19:43:02maxsetenv LOCALE=utf8 :)
19:43:17eli_shererformatted text: %c will take an unsigned integer??
19:43:32maxOh, you're trying to use %c
19:43:38maxSee if there's a wsnprintf
19:43:44eli_shererto show it on screen
19:44:10max'wide string'. But is rockbox unicode clean?
19:44:49eli_shereri'll check on the source how it displays japanese and learn from it...
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19:45:18Jungti1234What's the matter?
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19:45:59Jungti1234Korean is important than Japanese.
19:46:12eli_shererjungti1234: strings in c language are characters arrays every character is a byte
19:46:26eli_shererthe letters in korean takes more then a byte (takes 2)
19:46:37Jungti1234japanese too
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19:46:52eli_shereryup...there isn't support for it i think..
19:47:13Jungti1234Is it impossible?
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19:49:38eli_shererjungtil1234: do you see korean on your rockbox..?
19:50:04Jungti1234I use unicode rockbox.
19:50:34Jungti1234Do you need Hangul font?
19:52:11eli_shererno...but i found a function: static int unicode_munge(char* string, int *len)
19:52:24eli_shererit converts 16bit strings into 8bit strings
19:52:55eli_shereri'm sorry it's too difficult for me!
19:53:25Jungti1234Who can not you owe to?
19:53:46Jungti1234-> Is no there a person to help to you?
19:53:51eli_shereri will need to check everytime you load a file if it's unicode or not...
19:54:24eli_shererand that's a bi***
19:54:46Jungti1234what is ***? -_-;
19:55:32Jungti1234You can do!
19:55:33eli_shereri dont want to curse so i censure myself
19:56:05Jungti1234You can do it!
19:56:24Jungti1234Do! hahaahaahaa
19:57:03Jungti1234Can't it do not at all?
19:57:05eli_shererjungti1234: i appreciate your cheering but i have a lot to work on before i can get down to things like that...
19:57:34eli_sherernext week when i come home from the army i tend to make the calendar i want and maybe work on the bitmap editing capabilites of rockpaint
19:58:13eli_shereryes im a soldier
19:58:19Jungti1234Are you Israel soldier?
19:58:40Jungti1234I become soldier soon.
19:58:53Jungti12344~6 year later.
19:59:07eli_shereri'm on the communication force i deal with VOIP...very interesting
19:59:46Jungti1234I have interest.
20:00:05Jungti1234But, army hates going.
20:00:41Jungti1234Will you do it later?
20:00:47eli_shereri got this job cause i have a diploma in software engineering
20:01:21eli_shereri did it after highschool instead of getting drafted then after the study i got drafted
20:01:23Jungti1234I go to bed.
20:01:42eli_sherergood going too..(see my gf)
20:01:43Jungti1234What time is there?
20:01:58Jungti1234The South Korea is 4:01.
20:02:16Jungti1234good night
20:02:22eli_shererwow you don't want to sleep don't you...
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20:24:05SanI made an idiots guide to upgrading to rockbox:
20:28:17Rickerr... does H3x0 have DRM?
20:28:21RickI think it did at least
20:29:11Santhe US player supports it
20:29:19Sanbut not if you upgrade it to korean
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20:35:18RickSan: yeah, I was going to suggest you add a large warning about that in your guide
20:35:53Santhe DRM?
20:35:58Sani will do it now
20:36:01Sangood idea
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20:48:15themaster2is this the rockbox irc chat? it seems so :D
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20:48:41Sanyes it is
20:48:47themaster2oh ok thanks
20:49:09themaster2that was all what i want to hear :D
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20:50:00themaster2this was a test for a irc chat plugin for the forum :D
20:50:28themaster2also known as the german rockbox help forum :)
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20:50:51themaster2so i wish you a nice weekend..bye
20:51:17XavierGrTiMiD: Are you here?
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20:52:55_FireFly_XavierGr: he is mark as away but this say nothing if he is really afk ;)
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20:53:47XavierGrwell just wondering...
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20:54:21XavierGr_FireFly_: Where do you see if he is away?
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20:55:20_FireFly_the userlist in my client has drawn his name in a light gray and a whois tells me that he is away ;)
20:55:39XavierGrwhich client?
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21:01:48MoosHello, he is marked away: cause he need to work
21:03:03_FireFly_yeah it seams he is very busy :)
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21:03:34Moosyeah really, long time we didn't see here
21:03:41Musicmadsimple question. I want to inline the string "Next:" in this one: %s%ac%?it<%it|%Fn> - where should I put it?
21:04:04Musicmadseems to break it if I do something like: %s%ac Next: %?it<%it|%Fn>
21:05:02Moossorry can't help here don't know a lot about the WPS language
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21:05:28Musicmadme neither..
21:05:42Musicmadjust wanna add a next track info to the ipodVol wps.
21:06:18lostlogicxShould be able to do just what you said Musicmad
21:06:21lostlogicxwhat breaks?
21:06:25Moosdid yoy read well this?:
21:06:42_FireFly_i have it similar but %s and %ac switched
21:06:59Musicmadlostlogic: let me just recheck.
21:07:02_FireFly_no wait
21:07:30_FireFly_this is my line %ac%s%?It<Next: %It|%?Fn<Next: %Fn>>
21:08:12Musicmadah 0a2es sense
21:08:18Musicmadahem makes sense.
21:08:25Musicmaddamn laptop numlock :)
21:08:30Musicmadthanks _FireFly_
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21:10:06Musicmad%s%ac%?it<Next: %it|Next: %Fn> seems to work too.
21:10:06muesli_-themaster suxx
21:10:21testso geht
21:10:29_FireFly_test: ;)
21:10:29testno problems
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21:11:21ender`what's with these ctcp sounds?
21:11:44themaster2this comes from this fucking java plugin ;)
21:14:00solexx___hey, rockbox behaviour has changed!
21:14:10solexx___when i enter a folder and press play on, say, track 8
21:14:27solexx___a playlist is created with track 8 at first position
21:14:41solexx___and the rest of the folder after that
21:14:51solexx___was that intentional?
21:14:58_FireFly_and what is the problem with that ??
21:15:19solexx___i remember having a playlist with the first track at no 1
21:15:34solexx___and rockbox started playing at position 8 in the playlist
21:15:47Moosthere is one option for this, no?
21:16:13solexx___Moos: where?
21:16:31solexx____FireFly_: i have a folder for each album
21:16:33t0masask Slasheri
21:16:40t0mashe has changed some of the next dir stuff iirc
21:16:44t0masI think that has to do with it
21:16:49solexx___and i'd like to have each track with the corect number in the playlist
21:17:09solexx___t0mas: thx
21:17:19t0masand I have an old build...
21:17:23t0masit does work as you said
21:17:26Slasherit0mas: Hmm, really? =) I haven't touched the next dir skipping..
21:17:31solexx___i can't remeber having read about that in the changelog
21:17:32t0masit addes everything and then start playing at index 6
21:17:33Moossolexx: playback>play selected first?
21:17:41t0masSlasheri: wasn't it you
21:17:49Slasherino.. somebody else implemented that
21:17:50*t0mas reads back his cvs mail
21:17:58solexx___Moos: I didn't touch that
21:18:08Moost0mas: len0x
21:18:34solexx___it plays the track i want, just the numbering is "wrong" (imo)
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21:18:48Slasherit0mas: or in fact i am not sure about that :)
21:19:06Moosabout the next dir option?
21:19:51*t0mas had the idea it was you Slasheri...
21:20:13Slasherit0mas: at least i haven't implemented the whole directory skipping
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21:20:16Mooshehe, normal, Slasheri makes a lot of great things :)
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21:20:33t0masbut yeah
21:20:38t0mas-but :)
21:20:52t0masI liked the dirskipping thing... so I expected it to be his ;)
21:21:02Slasherihehe :D
21:21:15MoosI remenber len0x is the last worked on it
21:21:31Moosbut I don't remenber the initial creator...
21:21:49MoosFireFly: isn't you?
21:21:51_FireFly_should be in the header of the source-file
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21:25:36solexx_so, does anybody else think this behaviour is a bit strange or am i alone?
21:25:54Moostest: how many test you need? :)
21:26:03t0massolexx_: I agree that it should change
21:26:30muesli_-Moos sorry..we are just implementing a web-chat
21:26:48t0massolexx_: the old behaviour was more logical...
21:26:59t0masany people with archoses around?
21:27:17Moosmuesli: hi, don't worries, just I'm wondered :)
21:28:43TiMiDXavierGr: I'm here, but I'm very busy those times
21:29:32Mooshehe you're in general chanel :)
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21:31:18Musicmadwhat does it take for a wps to show up as a "theme" in the browse theme menu?
21:31:41Musicmadnevermind, found it.
21:31:46Musicmadit's in wpslist btw.
21:32:31_FireFly_solexx_: at least in sim the playlistviewer list the created playlist in the right order
21:33:25_FireFly_solexx_: and also on my device
21:33:44Moosyes here too
21:34:19_FireFly_solexx_: do you use maybe a self-patched version ??
21:36:01solexx__FireFly_: no
21:36:45_FireFly_and the code which creates the playlist makes it also in the order as it is shown in filtree
21:37:13solexx_build: 051202-1039
21:37:16solexx_iriver h120
21:37:55solexx_i'll try the latest build
21:39:30solexx_...still the same
21:40:07solexx_my files are have tracknum at the beginning, sort order is alphabetical (case sensitive)
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21:42:25solexx_play selected first is "yes" (although it doesn't seem to make a difference)
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21:44:44solexx_in case my cfg is of interest:
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21:45:25_FireFly_solexx_: if it is a cfg-problem reset the settings and try it again
21:46:46solexx_it looks like a cfg problem
21:46:54solexx_after resetting, i get the old behaviour
21:47:09solexx_when i reload my old settings, it's "broken" again
21:47:31_FireFly_solexx_: then setup your setting again step-by-step without loading the cfg
21:47:58_FireFly_then maybe you get the setting which change this behaviour
21:48:36SlasheriHmm.. should the id3 database work? I tried to build it with (succeeded), but when i enable it from the file filter, player just hangs and needs a reset :/
21:48:54BBubworks for me
21:49:01Slasheriok, weird..
21:49:17_FireFly_BBub: also with the latest bleeding build ??
21:49:24MoosSlasheri: did you build the id3 well? with perl script or java one
21:49:26Slasherii would have liked to test it to get more ideas how to implement the tagcache
21:49:37SlasheriMoos: with perl
21:49:51Moosthe last one?
21:50:09SlasheriHmm, just a moment
21:50:25Moos(java one is better ;) )
21:50:41Slasheriyes, it was the cvs version
21:50:45Slasherihehe :)
21:51:00Moosmaybe you can try the java script?
21:51:14Slasherii will try.. if i can get java work
21:51:22Mooshehe :)
21:51:30_FireFly_Moos: java-script ?? i thought it is a java-programm ;)
21:51:44Moosyes I notice the typos soory :)
21:52:28Slasherihmm, i think perl "scripts" are programs too, because those are compiled before execution
21:52:57maxThey're not compiled to native code though
21:53:06peturscripts run through an interpreter
21:53:12_FireFly_java also ;)
21:53:14Slasherineither are java programs by default
21:53:22maxthe interpreter 'compiles' it to slightly lower level byte codes.
21:53:33Slasherijava is byte code too :)
21:53:40Slasheribut it can be compiled natively also
21:53:56maxThat it is. It's generlaly only distribuyted as byte codes. You can't 'execute' the code directly.
21:53:57_FireFly_python-code also with the py2exe module
21:54:22maxDoes that just embed a python interpreter in an exe with the byte-code script?
21:54:30Slasheriand there is perlcc too ;) it might work for some programs
21:54:42_FireFly_max: i think so
21:55:03solexx_max: yes
21:55:05_FireFly_and you have a archiv with all needed modules in it
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22:01:00solexx_I have reset most of my settings and it works again
22:05:12solexx_very strange, but i am too lazy to find out which of the settings was the culprit
22:08:04lostlogicxhmmmm profiling acts like it's working, but I don't see nearly enough function calls... is the world inlined and I didn't notice!?
22:08:40solexx_and to whoever was browsing my site: you should really spend more time reading my python presentation - it was a whole lot of work! :)
22:10:06linuxstblostlogicx: Yes, I'm sure gcc inlines a lot of Tremor.
22:11:06lostlogicx*nod* well the latest profiling patches are at"> and if you want to try them out and see if you like the results or see why it might be getting wrong values.
22:11:53lostlogicx(currently it's just writing out PCs of functoin calls, but it shouldn't be too hard to convert those to function names with the map files
22:12:19_FireFly_solexx_: i have written a very small python-"program" which recodes audio-files(currently only from flac or wavpack to flac, wavpack and mp3) :)
22:12:46_FireFly_s/and mp3/or mp3
22:13:01solexx__FireFly_: oh, you remember that!
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22:14:03solexx_do you use python modules or external programs?
22:15:17_FireFly_the decode and encode is done via the external programs (flac, wavpack/wvunpack, vorbiscomment metaflac,apetag and lame)
22:16:07solexx_where do i find it?
22:16:25_FireFly_currently nowhere except on my laptop :)
22:17:32solexx_give it to me and i'll extend it with vorbis
22:19:51_FireFly_it's very minimalistic
22:20:01lostlogicxlinuxstb: is vorbis.c a reasonable place to start and stop profiling if I want it to be profiling the codec on the codec thread? (Just looking for reasons tha tI might be missing the details I want to capture here).
22:20:06_FireFly_it was a very quick-hack :)
22:28:09solexx_i see :)
22:28:21peturgot a question about the crossfade code (pcmbuf.c)
22:28:41peturthe satic var 'crossfade_fade_in_amount' is initialized to 0
22:28:48solexx_btw, you should resist to name variables "file" since it is a predefinded function
22:29:10peturand in the h300 sim it is never set to anything else
22:29:20peturso when skipping tracks -> crash
22:29:27petur(div by 0)
22:33:22miner49erhi there :-) Does anyone know if there's any way to print to the terminal window when running code in the simulator?
22:33:23_FireFly_solexx_: btw what did you mean with " oh, you remember that!" ??
22:33:54Bagderminer49er: printf()
22:34:10solexx__FireFly_: i once had a conversation in here about a similar topic
22:34:23solexx_i guess i didn't talk to you, then :)
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22:34:39miner49ercheers for that Badger!
22:34:56_FireFly_solexx_: and i didn't read that ;)
22:35:06jomtonescan anyone tell me where to find the variable speed function in Rockbox (iRiver H140)
22:35:52 Quit muesli_- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
22:36:12_FireFly_solexx_: this "hack" was created to convert some in flac,wv encoded hearing-books because my brother wanted this books but had only an ipod with stock-firmware -> mp3
22:36:20miner49ersorry for begin a dumbass Badger, but what header file do I need to include for that?
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22:36:38_FireFly_miner49er: man printf ;)
22:37:12_FireFly_or better man 3 printf
22:37:29Bagderif you want to do it rockbox style, I guess debugf() is more appropriate
22:37:44BagderDEBUGF it is
22:39:01miner49ercheers Badger, it is rockbox stylee. I'm writing a plugin and wanna print some debug out...
22:39:31lostlogicxgah, apparently vorbis.c doesn't run on the codec thread really!?
22:39:37solexx__FireFly_: quite useful for me, since I decided to keep mostly FLACs on my hd and use lossy files on my iriver
22:40:59_FireFly_solexx_: you could use wavpack in hyprid-mode
22:41:10peturDEBUGF will print to the terminal window of the sim, unless there's a debugger around. In that case it does OutputDebugString()
22:41:17jomtonessorry to er.. repeat myself
22:41:18_FireFly_a loosy *.wv file with an correction-file *.wvc
22:41:29jomtonesis this variable speed even possible?
22:41:51miner49ercool, i'm now using DEBUGF...cheers everyone.
22:42:31*petur wonders why Insight converts the OutputDebugString into annoying messageboxes
22:45:18solexx__FireFly_: yes, I already thought about that
22:47:02solexx_fortunately, wavpack has entered debian unstable
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22:53:41solexx_but player support is rare
22:56:45solexx_and I like having lossy files in a separate directory structure
22:56:49solexx_makes copying easier
22:58:40ep0ch|dumb question, preglow implemented a playback speed adjustment, where do i find the screen to change the speed of playback??
22:59:42_FireFly_solexx_: -d switch in
22:59:59Musicmadep0ch|: try pressing play while using joystick up and down.
23:00:46ep0ch|ah thankyou, i was expecting it to be in the playback settings menu
23:01:27jomtonesuuu ok I guess no-one here knows about variable speed playback? I feel...blanked!
23:01:56solexx__FireFly_: yes, I saw that
23:04:41jomtonesoh WOW - thankyou epoch!!
23:04:48jomtonesi didn't spot that line...
23:06:33jomtonesI guess this means the track must be paused whilst changing play speed?...
23:06:44jomtonesmakes it a lot less useful for DJ's....
23:07:27Musicmadjomtones: why jump to conclusions?
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23:07:50jomtonesno! ... sorry i didn't have headphones plugged in :)
23:07:57jomtoneswell that rules... :)
23:08:04Musicmadindeed it does :)
23:08:14jomtonesis there any way to change the speed of the pitch change?
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23:08:52Musicmadchange the code :)
23:09:07jomtones=)... errr ... OK!
23:09:19jomtoneswhere can I find the code?!!
23:09:36jomtones(this is probably really way over my head...)
23:10:02jomtonesthanks :)
23:10:43jomtones(I think it's probably still way over my head...:)
23:11:02jomtonesI guess I'll have to add it to 'feature requests' somewhere
23:11:26jomtonesMy programming skills and time are way too limited
23:11:38jomtonesStill, this rules pretty much, cheers!
23:13:13BagderSlasheri: you made the builds yellow...
23:15:08lostlogicxdoes the bulk of Codec processing _not_ happen on the codec_thread (the same thread that codec_start) is run on or something?
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23:22:33lostlogicxshizer, I froze my player.
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23:31:59Musicmadregarding the morse code thing - would it be possible to use another key than the joystick? Is really quite noisy
23:35:14XavierGrnow that recording peak meters work for iriver I wonder I f it will be trivial to add this on the radio screen too.
23:37:01Musicmadhow is FM recording working now a days btw?
23:37:20XavierGrjust great
23:38:03Musicmadwhat's the procedure?
23:38:25XavierGrstart radio
23:38:35XavierGrexit while playing (with A-B)
23:38:40XavierGrstart recording
23:38:46XavierGrchoose line in
23:38:52XavierGrthen record
23:39:15Musicmadok thanks
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23:52:19Musicmadwow - morsecode will be an excellent input method - already is actually.
23:52:42maxThat can't be the fastest input method ever. :P
23:53:49Musicmadit's definately fewer clicks than the regular keyboard input.
23:55:03Musicmadand it can be done "blind"
23:55:23maxIPL has like, 12 different input methods, some of them quite strange
23:56:26maxdial type, on screen keyboard, morse code, 'cursive'
23:56:45max'four button keyboard', telephone, "thumbscript"..
23:57:01maxThe cursive one is the weirdest, I think

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