00:01:09 | Musicmad | true |
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00:28:47 | petur | is only the h3xx sim not playing sound well (win32) or is this common to all sims? |
00:33:44 | Bagder | I've used the sim fine for years |
00:33:58 | DrumRBoy320|Away | heh, i cant even get it to work :( |
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00:34:15 | DrumRBoy320|Away | gives me a 'files' kinda error |
00:34:16 | Bagder | (not on win32 though) |
00:35:12 | XavierGr | hmm strange rockbox_browse will not return true if the user quits before selecting a file |
00:35:28 | XavierGr | it will return false both if the user selects a file or quits. |
00:38:15 | petur | was looking for a nice place to start helping (get to know the code, my first patch,... stuff like that) |
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00:45:23 | JdGordon | haha w00t for fat32... my .rockbox folder is 2.49mb, and 7.73MB on disk :D |
00:46:04 | XavierGr | it is the wps module that takes this much space |
00:46:05 | ender` | really? how big is your drive? |
00:46:12 | XavierGr | so many little icons and bmps |
00:46:34 | XavierGr | I think that if the wps are made using combined bitmaps this will be avoided |
00:47:16 | * | ender` is currently trying to build rockbox with the apev2 patch for mp3s |
00:48:28 | * | ender` needs to get the cross-compiler to work in interix... cygwin is horribly horribly slow |
00:49:09 | petur | yeah cygwin is way too slow |
00:50:03 | ender` | btw, my .rockbox is 2,28MB, 2,39MB on disk (on H120) |
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00:52:42 | ashridah | XavierGr: easier to use a zip with no compression imho. |
00:52:50 | ashridah | XavierGr: don't need any custom utilities then |
00:53:09 | ashridah | or, at worst, uclpack, since there's already code for that in rockbox |
00:53:17 | ashridah | ('s source tree) |
00:53:31 | XavierGr | well that's a good solution too. |
00:53:44 | ashridah | it would certainly cut down on the slack space |
00:56:06 | ender` | good, the ape patch seems to be working |
00:56:55 | linuxstb | ape patch? |
00:57:11 | XavierGr | are there any serious perfomance flaws if I #include another file to code? |
00:57:34 | max | interix? |
00:57:40 | ender` | apev2 tags |
00:57:42 | max | ender: you might also want to consider colinux. |
00:58:07 | ender` | how stable is colinux? |
00:58:31 | max | If you don't have anything too exotic, it seems to be pretty stable. |
00:59:21 | max | (ie, XP 64-bit edition) |
00:59:51 | ender` | 2003sp1 32bit (because there's 64bit drivers missing for my hardware) |
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01:00:27 | ender` | i'll probably try to compile m68k-gcc with gcc 4 that somebody posted to tools warehouse forums first |
01:00:34 | max | K. |
01:00:41 | max | I was going to try it out today, but I couldn't get the latest devel image. |
01:01:51 | ender` | ok, i'm off to sleep now |
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01:20:17 | petur | have question about pcmbuf.c - somebody around? |
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01:28:59 | linuxstb | petur: What is your question? |
01:29:58 | petur | bit too late, just submitted my (first) patch ;) |
01:30:42 | petur | crossfade_fade_in_amount can somehow remain 0 and when fade_insert is called, it crashes (div by zero) |
01:30:50 | petur | at least the H3xx sim does. |
01:30:55 | petur | (did) |
01:31:58 | petur | bummer - just saw the other functions have this issue as well... |
01:36:54 | petur | enough for today - goodnight |
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01:54:20 | massiveH | is it feasable to get the iriver to play or even handle .PSF (playstation sound files)? |
01:54:50 | massiveH | i was looking into the sexyPSF spec, but it 'requires' a 300mhz Pentium I w/MMX |
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01:55:49 | massiveH | i do not have enough experiance in sound related programming to start to port this yet... |
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02:02:17 | massiveH | correction, a 200mhz Pentium I w/MMX |
02:02:20 | max | G'morning, mr. tsb. |
02:03:43 | linuxstb | massiveH: It's very unlikely to work on the iriver players. sexypsf is basically an audio-only playstation emulator. |
02:04:12 | massiveH | well, that was what i was thinking, just the sound |
02:04:21 | massiveH | not play a PSX game |
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02:05:30 | linuxstb | But if the authors say it needs a 200MHz Pentium with MMX, then I doubt a 120MHz Coldfire is going to be up to the job. |
02:06:03 | massiveH | well, i'm not sure, but i think it's optimized for that processor |
02:06:03 | max | Not unless you're particularly good at writing ARM assembly |
02:06:15 | massiveH | sorry, i only know NASM |
02:06:15 | max | Oh |
02:06:20 | max | Coldfire.. don't know it |
02:06:39 | max | Is it ARM based? |
02:06:54 | massiveH | NASM = intel |
02:07:07 | massiveH | but sexyPSF can be compiled for an ARM |
02:07:14 | max | I imagine it's instruction set is probably simpler than intels. :) |
02:07:44 | massiveH | there is a makefile directive for an ARM when compiling sexyPSF |
02:09:05 | max | Oh. What I was asking is if the COldfire is ARM. I don't know any details of the Coldfire processors |
02:09:16 | massiveH | nor do i, hence me asking... |
02:09:26 | * | max hands massive a ticket to google. |
02:09:36 | linuxstb | The coldfire is basically a Motorola 68k |
02:09:52 | max | oh. weak :) |
02:11:18 | massiveH | i do believe that sexyPSF can be compiled in big or little endian |
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02:12:39 | linuxstb | Yes, looking at it, it should be relatively straightforward to port it to Rockbox (as a plugin). But I would be very surprised if it could be made realtime. |
02:12:44 | massiveH | if i knew more programming, i would give it a whirl, but i have just started looking at rbx's source like 2 days ago |
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02:15:55 | massiveH | heck, i have looked at the sexyPSF source, and am not totally sure how it works, so me trying to make a plugin would be futile untill i understood it more |
02:16:31 | massiveH | but on the plus side, it's all in C already... |
02:18:05 | massiveH | well, sexyPSF for the PSP runs with no problem @ 166mhz, so it may be a possibility |
02:20:08 | massiveH | but that's on a PSP |
02:21:37 | XavierGr | is it programmed in fixed point (integer)? |
02:22:06 | massiveH | give moment, i'll look into it |
02:22:16 | linuxstb | A grep for float/double didn't find any. |
02:22:49 | XavierGr | seems that it "could" be possible if someone will optimize it with assembly. |
02:23:10 | massiveH | it's got no floats |
02:24:06 | massiveH | it does have u64 defined, are longs a problem? |
02:24:12 | linuxstb | Yes. |
02:24:18 | linuxstb | Not a problem, but slow. |
02:24:29 | massiveH | then again, i don't know if it uses them |
02:25:34 | XavierGr | what happened to the MIDI port? |
02:25:49 | XavierGr | I was very interested in this. |
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02:28:31 | massiveH | the u64 and s64 in sexyPSF only appear to be used in some timing functions |
02:28:40 | massiveH | very few though |
02:29:16 | massiveH | actually, they are only used when multiplying two u or s 32s |
02:29:22 | massiveH | which makes sense |
02:29:25 | XavierGr | then I guess they could be removed, no? |
02:29:36 | massiveH | appears so |
02:30:53 | massiveH | appears to only be part of the PSX emulation logic, could be removed or replaced with 32bit code |
02:31:59 | XavierGr | Then you should start porting it massiveH :) |
02:32:37 | massiveH | i would, but am not 'l33t' enough to program this, i could start, but it would be a very and i do mean VERY un-optimized |
02:32:54 | massiveH | i started today, by looking into this stuff, but i may need help along the way |
02:32:58 | max | good wayt o learn :) |
02:33:24 | XavierGr | I could help but I don't know anything about audio stuff and how playback works on rockbox so... |
02:33:45 | massiveH | same here, but this is where to start, right? |
02:33:56 | XavierGr | also I don't have the slightest idea on how to optimize code. |
02:34:14 | massiveH | i could write it, but someone else would be the optimizer |
02:34:17 | XavierGr | massiveH: You are right, 4 months ago and I didn't had a clue at programming. |
02:34:35 | XavierGr | Now rockbox helped me to understand C and write my own code for it. |
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02:34:44 | XavierGr | (mostly hacks or little additions) |
02:34:57 | massiveH | i've been programming for about a year, but have just started audio related programming (going to college for video game development...) |
02:35:14 | XavierGr | well there are some devs that are very good on optimizing things |
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02:40:07 | massiveH | where could i find info on starting a plugin, or should i just look at others that are already there |
02:40:39 | XavierGr | dowload the source and look at the hello world plugin |
02:41:15 | XavierGr | you could first start making a psf2wav plugin |
02:41:20 | XavierGr | like wav2wv plugin |
02:41:45 | XavierGr | then if you see that it can encode it realtime you could start implementing PSF to the core. |
02:42:33 | massiveH | so i need to make something that converts the psf to a waveform, then work up to realtime with that plugin? |
02:42:53 | massiveH | well, at least get the proper output first... |
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02:43:17 | XavierGr | that will save you much time imho |
02:43:43 | XavierGr | if the plugin can convert realtime to wave then it should be clear if the port can be done. |
02:44:03 | massiveH | what is this wav2wv plugin? |
02:44:29 | linuxstb | It compresses a WAV file using WavPack. |
02:44:42 | XavierGr | if not you ditch the port and you don't cry about your lost time trying to understand rockbox's vast playback code |
02:44:57 | massiveH | i'm guessing it's part of the CVS? |
02:45:22 | XavierGr | massiveH: All playback for iriver (software based decoders) started this way |
02:45:25 | * | linuxstb agrees with XavierGr's advice. |
02:45:46 | XavierGr | First they built a codec to wav plaugin and the then if realtime added to the core. |
02:46:00 | XavierGr | yes it is part of the cvs |
02:46:04 | massiveH | <- proceeds to rack bran attempting to start plugin |
02:46:10 | XavierGr | linuxstb: :) |
02:46:14 | massiveH | wish me luck |
02:46:21 | linuxstb | massiveH: The very first thing to do is to write a simple program for your PC that converts a psf file to a WAV file. |
02:46:32 | linuxstb | You can then port that program to Rockbox. |
02:46:34 | massiveH | which is what i started earlier |
02:46:47 | XavierGr | well good luck, I hope that your port will be usable, I am very interested in this too. |
02:47:12 | massiveH | but i need to figure out the PSF to WAV first, then i get to figure out the rockbox architecture |
02:47:37 | linuxstb | One important thing to know about Rockbox is that there is no malloc. |
02:48:15 | massiveH | how would i get around this? |
02:48:17 | linuxstb | So ideally, the first thing to do is to remove any mallocs from sexypsf - assuming that's straightforward. |
02:48:27 | massiveH | i think it uses them |
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02:48:30 | linuxstb | i.e. replace mallocs with static buffers. |
02:48:40 | massiveH | ok, i think i can handle that |
02:48:52 | massiveH | what is the suggested buffer size |
02:49:36 | XavierGr | hmm midi2wav hangs the player completely, pitty. |
02:49:57 | linuxstb | massiveH: The smallest you need. |
02:50:07 | DrumRBoy320|Away | what is 'iriverfy' |
02:50:19 | massiveH | 256k a good place to start, or smaller yet |
02:50:56 | linuxstb | DrumRBoy320|Away: It does something to Rockbox generated .m3u playlists to make them compatible with the iriver firmware. |
02:51:24 | DrumRBoy320|Away | wait, you know what... im going to go rtfm... and linuxstb, ty fo rthe answer :) |
02:52:16 | DrumRBoy320|Away | oh yea, and that iriverify thing killed a gb rom... just to let you guys know adverse affects :) |
02:53:13 | Membrillo | is anyone having trouble with the new fwpatcher with 1.29k?..... because i am :s |
02:53:29 | XavierGr | Hmm I think that the midi2wav plugin requires some patchset files that aren't present in the builds |
02:53:54 | DrumRBoy320|Away | nope, but i almost bricked my player for the //seccond// time using rockbox and firmware updating |
02:54:29 | massiveH | what's a good CVS prog for win, i've only used SVN |
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02:55:12 | Membrillo | wait |
02:55:20 | Membrillo | i redownloaded it and its fine |
02:55:37 | linuxstb | massiveH: plugins themselves have a relatively small amount of memory available (I think it's 768KB) for both code and data. If your plugin requires more RAM than that, then you will need to request part of the audio playback buffer. The jpeg viewer does this for example (which is why it stops audio playback). |
02:56:12 | massiveH | in the future, i guess it will need to do this |
02:56:15 | linuxstb | massiveH: The command-line cvs works fine under cygwin. |
02:56:37 | massiveH | ok, CYGWIN is installed, so i'll use that |
02:56:45 | XavierGr | massiveH: to compile or fiddle with CVS get rockbox devkit or cygwin for Win32 |
02:57:09 | massiveH | i have all that already |
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03:03:26 | massiveH | how do i go about becoming a 'developer', is it as simple as joining the dev and cvs mailing lists? |
03:04:01 | massiveH | or should i just work with annon. access for now? |
03:04:32 | XavierGr | to become a developer you need to write code and submit patches |
03:05:02 | XavierGr | if the work you've done is good and you need access to mak lots of additions the devs give you cvs access. |
03:05:19 | massiveH | ok, so for now work with anon.? |
03:05:30 | XavierGr | I think that it is something like that right linuxstb? |
03:05:37 | XavierGr | yes |
03:06:05 | XavierGr | get a cvs repositry on your machine and if you have finshed your changes make a patch and submit it. |
03:06:05 | massiveH | okies |
03:07:59 | massiveH | the rockbox dev kit does not understand CVS...? |
03:08:12 | massiveH | says 'command not found' |
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03:09:42 | XavierGr | what did you typed? |
03:10:14 | Membrillo | ummm, is the h3xx bootloader USB mode meant to work? because my screen says its entered usb mode although my PC cant detect it |
03:10:28 | massiveH | i do not believe it works yet |
03:10:43 | XavierGr | Membrillo: I think that it will not work current;y |
03:10:44 | massiveH | it's listed as a bug on the bootloader page that it's not working |
03:11:27 | Membrillo | yeah i know that, but as it entered usb mode, i figured it could of been fixed |
03:20:12 | massiveH | how does one go about editing files in CYGWIN, or should i stick to notepad |
03:21:13 | JdGordon | notepad |
03:21:37 | massiveH | sounds good to me |
03:21:58 | XavierGr | I use notepad 2 for my coninience |
03:22:06 | XavierGr | ^convinience |
03:22:32 | XavierGr | notepad2 offers various language highlight including diff file format that patches use. |
03:24:47 | massiveH | i have visual studio from school, so i'll use that |
03:25:44 | XavierGr | isn't thay a litle heavy only to make changes? |
03:26:10 | massiveH | hey, why the heck not |
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03:26:42 | Mongey| | hello |
03:26:55 | XavierGr | hi |
03:27:06 | JdGordon | can rb move files around on the hdd? (or for that matter, can the iriv fw do it?) (h300) |
03:27:09 | Mongey| | i need help with my website |
03:27:18 | XavierGr | JdGordon:yes |
03:27:33 | Mongey| | im trying to install e107 |
03:27:39 | Mongey| | ...cms |
03:27:46 | JdGordon | XavierGr: rb? |
03:28:01 | XavierGr | sorry I dont know anything about websites |
03:28:11 | XavierGr | JdGordon: yes rb |
03:28:13 | Mongey| | but i dont know my mySQL Database: and table prefix |
03:29:02 | Mongey| | ok |
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03:29:30 | XavierGr | JdGordon: To move a file you must rename it with the path. |
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03:29:53 | Membrillo | does anyone know how to change the language in the iriver FW? |
03:30:03 | Membrillo | like my settings are all in korena |
03:30:14 | BBub | you cant |
03:30:19 | XavierGr | e.g if you rename a file that is in root "/test.file" and want to move it on tests folder you just rename it "/tests/test.file" |
03:30:32 | massiveH | Membrillo: in general, it's the second or third option |
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03:31:13 | Membrillo | ah found it |
03:31:24 | Membrillo | top left one, second |
03:31:59 | JdGordon | ok thanx |
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03:32:31 | JdGordon | Membrillo: there is a language setting in the menu... dunno if it has korean tho |
03:32:34 | massiveH | yeah, when i flashed my h340, i was like, this is bad, but found the option, and all was good |
03:32:49 | JdGordon | linuxstb: u around? |
03:34:07 | Membrillo | JdGordon: yep |
03:34:11 | Membrillo | there is indeed |
03:35:05 | JdGordon | :'( there is a language error on the h300 and i doubt it will be easy to fix |
03:35:32 | JdGordon | it says "PLAY = yes" in the delete screen... but bloody NAVI is ok, not play :'( (h300) |
03:35:52 | Membrillo | you can change it to english |
03:36:01 | JdGordon | that is the english |
03:36:18 | Membrillo | ummm devs, just a cosmetic thing. when creating a playlist on RB and the insert screen is up (eg "inserted xxxx tracks, off to abort"), when a one digit is in the number, it creates a new line as it can not fit in the one line and it sort of, jumps around |
03:37:20 | Membrillo | oh, and xxxx has to be a four digit number |
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03:38:51 | Membrillo | how do you open a WPS on rb :s all i can find is browse themes |
03:39:07 | XavierGr | JdGordon: This PLAY issue is already known. It will be that way for some time. We have to discuss button mappings thoroughly before changeing anything. This mistake comes from other ports that utilize the PLAY button this way. |
03:39:18 | JdGordon | ok |
03:39:28 | JdGordon | its just really confusing :p |
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03:42:35 | JdGordon | is button.c not used in the sims? |
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03:47:17 | Membrillo | for now cant you just change the string to navi = ok? |
03:48:21 | JdGordon | i could... but i dont know how rb does translation.. would changin a string effect that? |
03:48:41 | JdGordon | (i only use english anyway, so as long as it doesnt crash looking for a non-exsistsnt string i dont care) |
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03:49:52 | Membrillo | thats a good point.... im not sure about translations |
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03:51:07 | Membrillo | how do you open WPS's? |
03:51:43 | JdGordon | with notepad |
03:51:47 | JdGordon | its just a txt file |
03:51:54 | Membrillo | no, not edit them |
03:52:01 | Membrillo | but load them in RB |
03:52:16 | Membrillo | ive found browse themes but thats not WPSs exactly is it? |
03:52:35 | JdGordon | browse wps is in the same menu |
03:52:51 | Membrillo | no....? |
03:53:27 | Membrillo | recent bookmarks, sound settings, general settings, manage settings, browse themes, playlist options, browse plugins, info |
03:54:13 | Membrillo | ? |
03:54:17 | JdGordon | general > brosw wps |
03:54:23 | JdGordon | sorry |
03:55:12 | Membrillo | ahhh, General > display > brose wps |
03:55:44 | JdGordon | ye, soz |
03:55:46 | JdGordon | bbl |
03:55:52 | Membrillo | ummm |
03:56:04 | Membrillo | when i select one, it just comes up with the code for the wps |
03:56:28 | Membrillo | oh right |
03:56:32 | Membrillo | as well as loading it |
03:56:58 | XavierGr | pitty even with the patchset the midi2wav plugin will just crash the player. |
03:58:09 | JdGordon | browse wps should be a viewer.. not a loader :'( |
03:58:24 | JdGordon | .. something to play with in 6 weeks when i get back |
03:58:42 | Membrillo | well, if it was only a viewer, how would you load new WPSs? |
03:59:06 | JdGordon | press rec or something? |
03:59:09 | JdGordon | well it shold be both |
03:59:15 | JdGordon | like the font loader |
03:59:21 | Membrillo | yeah |
03:59:25 | JdGordon | :'( i think i accidently deleted my kick ass wps |
03:59:39 | Membrillo | you should scroll through like an automatically generated one with set tags for all |
03:59:48 | Membrillo | automatically generated screenshot |
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04:00:00 | Membrillo | that would be absolutely awesome |
04:01:37 | Membrillo | ummm ive fixed up the IpodVOL wps and it works 100% |
04:01:46 | Membrillo | with the images resized and everything |
04:01:53 | Membrillo | should i submit it somehow |
04:04:13 | Lost-ash | Membrillo: patches can be attached to the patch tracker on www.sf.net/projects/rockbox |
04:04:23 | Membrillo | is a WPS a patch? |
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04:04:43 | BBub | nope |
04:04:52 | BBub | you can put it in the wpsgalery |
04:04:56 | Lost-ash | well, it can be distributed as one, but if you just bundle up the new files, someone can merge them, just attach the file to the patch tracker. |
04:05:20 | Lost-ash | (even if it's a zip containing the updated files) |
04:05:38 | Lost-ash | BBub: yeah, but that won't notify people who can merge it easily. |
04:05:58 | BBub | ok, thats true |
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04:08:05 | Membrillo | can i use the same image twice? for example a bar showing battery left also as volume level? |
04:08:46 | JdGordon | ye, prob need to load it twice tho |
04:09:15 | Membrillo | sure |
04:10:17 | Membrillo | do you guys want to try it out and tell me what to change? |
04:10:51 | JdGordon | sure.. upload it somehwere |
04:11:29 | Membrillo | okey doke |
04:15:00 | Membrillo | .zip format? |
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04:15:06 | Jungti1234 | hi~ |
04:15:21 | JdGordon | hi |
04:15:26 | JdGordon | zip will do |
04:16:57 | Membrillo | http://jupiter.walagata.com/w/membrillo/H-Pod.zip |
04:17:39 | JdGordon | how do u move the cursor in the text input screen? |
04:18:29 | Jungti1234 | how? |
04:18:39 | Membrillo | up down left right....? |
04:19:03 | JdGordon | Membrillo: looks alright.. the bmp flasshing annoys me so i use only text screens |
04:19:08 | XavierGr | ok fmr preset handling patc is updated for anyone that cares... |
04:19:22 | JdGordon | Membrillo |
04:19:23 | JdGordon | no |
04:19:35 | Jungti1234 | JdGordon: Does it mean Rockword? |
04:19:37 | JdGordon | i mean the cursor in the filename.. |
04:19:43 | JdGordon | maybe.... |
04:20:11 | Membrillo | JdGordon: yeah i know, hopefully the display code is optimized soon |
04:20:27 | Jungti1234 | Membrillo |
04:20:43 | Jungti1234 | Doesn't it blink? |
04:20:43 | JdGordon | on and arrow aparently |
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04:22:02 | stevenm | Hello guys. Long time no see, class/finals suck. Does anyone know which -Ox option is set on rockbox for compiling plugins on the target? |
04:22:27 | DimaTech | Damn it! I have to study for them! |
04:22:30 | DimaTech | Why do u remind>? |
04:22:36 | DimaTech | Have you no heart? |
04:22:56 | JdGordon | :'( some1 is having a bbq and i can smell it through my window |
04:23:03 | JdGordon | bbs.. getting food |
04:23:19 | DimaTech | food I like :) |
04:23:50 | stevenm | aw rats, that reminds me, I should go cook something |
04:24:08 | stevenm | but as for the plugins, are they built -O1, O2, O3, or what? anyone know offhand? |
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04:24:41 | Jungti1234 | hey guys. |
04:25:15 | Jungti1234 | Can't I use USB keyboard to H300 because using rockbox? |
04:25:57 | Jungti1234 | Is that support it impossibility? |
04:26:18 | Membrillo | why? |
04:26:25 | Membrillo | why would you want to |
04:26:39 | Membrillo | may as well use a laptop |
04:27:11 | Jungti1234 | Because Korean who want to do word work in H300 is many. |
04:27:40 | Jungti1234 | word = document |
04:28:29 | Membrillo | cant you do document work on a laptop |
04:28:39 | Jungti1234 | Are they strange? :P |
04:28:47 | Membrillo | you will look like a fool with an h3xx and a keyboard |
04:28:49 | BBub | it would take ages to type a text on the hxxx |
04:29:04 | Jungti1234 | hahaha |
04:29:05 | BBub | yeah, if that gets implemented |
04:29:16 | Jungti1234 | Don't use the big keyboard. |
04:29:34 | BBub | it would need to have a touchscreen like a pda |
04:29:36 | Jungti1234 | There is small keyboard that can fold. |
04:30:09 | Jungti1234 | Is available if can support it in H300. |
04:30:52 | Jungti1234 | impossible? |
04:30:59 | Membrillo | possible |
04:31:02 | Jungti1234 | ah |
04:31:10 | Jungti1234 | really? |
04:31:15 | Jungti1234 | hahaha |
04:31:16 | Membrillo | id say so |
04:31:25 | Membrillo | actually |
04:31:31 | Membrillo | impossible |
04:31:48 | Jungti1234 | -_-; |
04:32:09 | Membrillo | the iriver cant support connection and running, (hence it enters connection mode |
04:32:13 | Membrillo | ) |
04:32:20 | Membrillo | something to do with one being a slave |
04:32:22 | BBub | but the h3xx can |
04:32:29 | Jungti1234 | ah? |
04:32:44 | Jungti1234 | how? |
04:32:45 | BBub | or does it not respond to anything when you attach a camera? |
04:32:53 | BBub | the the usb 1.1 portz? |
04:32:56 | Membrillo | it doesnt respond with anything |
04:32:57 | BBub | -z |
04:33:07 | Membrillo | well actually |
04:33:12 | Membrillo | im not sure |
04:33:15 | Membrillo | hmmm |
04:33:25 | Membrillo | one has to be a slave |
04:33:33 | BBub | yes, the camera |
04:33:33 | Membrillo | you cant have two processing |
04:33:38 | Jungti1234 | I think that may use it by Host function. |
04:33:43 | Membrillo | well, the keyboard would have to be the slave |
04:33:52 | Membrillo | meaning it couldnt send data |
04:34:07 | Membrillo | or the keypad presses |
04:34:25 | BBub | well, the slave-mode is hardwired on the h1xx |
04:34:34 | BBub | means it enters the hdd-mode imediately |
04:34:48 | Jungti1234 | hmm.. |
04:35:10 | BBub | but the h3xx has a second host-controller which should be able to connect to almost anything |
04:35:15 | BBub | so why no to a keyboard? ;) |
04:35:35 | massiveH | as long as the driver is written |
04:35:53 | BBub | sure |
04:36:57 | Jungti1234 | I'm confused. |
04:37:11 | Jungti1234 | Is it possible? impossible? |
04:37:14 | Membrillo | some pondering must be done on the subject :D |
04:37:19 | BBub | it is possible |
04:37:29 | Jungti1234 | how? |
04:37:36 | BBub | as the h3xx can act as a host on the second usb-port |
04:37:38 | Membrillo | if it is, vast amounts of opportunities |
04:38:15 | Membrillo | open |
04:39:52 | Jungti1234 | Membrillo |
04:40:02 | Jungti1234 | Do you have H300? |
04:40:14 | Membrillo | i do indeed |
04:41:14 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
04:44:56 | Jungti1234 | Whom can't make support Hangul input to Rockword? |
04:46:42 | Membrillo | what rhymes with stools.... |
04:46:51 | Membrillo | besides fools |
04:46:59 | BBub | bools |
04:47:13 | Membrillo | what the shit does bools mean |
04:47:35 | Jungti1234 | -_-? |
04:47:36 | BBub | bool(ean) is a declaration type |
04:47:41 | BBub | so maybe the plural is bools? |
04:48:10 | Membrillo | thats lame :P |
04:49:08 | BBub | it sure is |
04:52:03 | Jungti1234 | http://www.myskeletonkey.com/doom/ |
04:52:23 | Jungti1234 | Dooms day Clock |
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04:58:05 | Membrillo | does rockboy have to be downloaded externally? or is it in the daily builds already |
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05:05:20 | BBub | it is in the daily builds |
05:05:30 | BBub | and the bleeding edge build of course |
05:06:11 | Membrillo | how do you access it? |
05:06:14 | Membrillo | its not in plugins |
05:06:28 | BBub | but a rom on your player and start it |
05:06:39 | BBub | *put |
05:06:43 | Membrillo | oh ok |
05:06:52 | Membrillo | so you dont have to open rockboy |
05:06:54 | Membrillo | sweet |
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05:16:36 | DrumRBoy320|Away | this is def a stupid question BUT |
05:16:49 | DrumRBoy320|Away | rockbox parks he drive head when off right? |
05:17:09 | DrumRBoy320|Away | well, head needle thing |
05:17:20 | DrumRBoy320|Away | im sure it does... |
05:17:31 | BBub | it does |
05:17:41 | BBub | listen to the click you can hear when the hdd powers off |
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05:18:21 | DrumRBoy320|Away | ok, makin sure cause i just dropped it from about 3 feet onto a pair of jeans i had on my floor |
05:18:23 | DrumRBoy320|Away | :) |
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05:18:56 | BBub | mine already made a flight of about 1 meter |
05:19:42 | Membrillo | i dropped my ipod from a foot and the screen shattered |
05:19:49 | Membrillo | so i bought my h3xx :) |
05:22:42 | Jungti1234 | huu.. is full |
05:23:02 | Jungti1234 | I'm full :D |
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06:02:52 | Jungti1234 | hahaha |
06:03:00 | Jungti1234 | http://kr.music.yahoo.com/ |
06:03:52 | Jungti1234 | Cracking |
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06:23:15 | lamed | 7:30 In the morning... |
06:23:22 | lamed | Check out my new guide over |
06:23:23 | lamed | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=32898 |
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06:33:43 | BBub | but you are aware that the iriver consumes 2 ampere and your mobo only offers about 0.5 ampere? |
06:33:50 | BBub | oh, hes already gone |
06:34:13 | BBub | maybe he comes back when his usb-port is dead |
06:35:01 | Lost-ash | not if it's a properly built one |
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06:35:17 | Lost-ash | current limiting would kick in, |
06:35:21 | Lost-ash | that's about it. |
06:35:25 | BBub | still the power-comsumption of the iriver is four times as high |
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06:35:35 | Lost-ash | the device won't charge that quickly, but it wouldn't fail. |
06:35:53 | Lost-ash | besides, many usb ports, particularly powered hubs can supply much more than usb's officially rated for |
06:36:06 | BBub | hubs can, thats true |
06:36:23 | BBub | but mobos have enough to do with supplying the graphics card and the cpu in modern systems |
06:36:58 | * | Lost-ash blinks |
06:37:02 | Lost-ash | what's that got to dow ith it? |
06:37:15 | Lost-ash | the usb sockets should have their own current limiting circuitry. |
06:37:27 | BBub | they should |
06:37:29 | Lost-ash | infact, many usb chipsets will disable ports that overdraw. |
06:38:54 | Lost-ash | but i'd agree. doing this on the motherboard's usb ports is fooldhardy. |
06:39:04 | BBub | well, i just think iriver had a good reason to not include that feature :) |
06:39:08 | BBub | on any of their players |
06:39:11 | Lost-ash | uh, |
06:39:22 | Lost-ash | correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't the iriver H3xx charge from usb? :) |
06:39:44 | BBub | i dont own one, but it could be |
06:39:56 | BBub | but then again, the h10 doesnt do it |
06:40:03 | Lost-ash | right, well, all it takes is some sane current limiting on iriver's side, and that's not a problem. |
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06:51:33 | Membrillo | wow, i just worked out how to use the devkit. I feel proud :D |
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06:54:09 | Membrillo | i just compiled a win32 sim (i think). Now how do i run it |
06:54:51 | Membrillo | im very confused now |
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06:54:57 | Membrillo | is this where cygwin comes in? |
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06:58:12 | Membrillo | ......? |
06:58:46 | Membrillo | can someone explain this? i used the dev kit to create a win32 sim to test my WPSs, now how do i use it |
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07:05:21 | Membrillo | :( |
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07:16:35 | Membrillo | dw |
07:16:37 | Membrillo | worked it out |
07:17:59 | JdGordon41 | :D |
07:18:09 | JdGordon41 | does kareoke mode work? |
07:18:16 | JdGordon41 | or not done yet on the h300? |
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07:22:00 | Membrillo | is kareoke just stripping the vocals out? |
07:22:08 | Membrillo | kareoke mode rather |
07:22:24 | JdGordon | i thubj so |
07:22:37 | Membrillo | im guessing thubj means think? |
07:22:45 | JdGordon | ah ye |
07:24:29 | Membrillo | is anyone working on the WPS display code? |
07:24:39 | JdGordon | doubt it |
07:25:43 | Membrillo | hmmm |
07:26:13 | Membrillo | i just did make install in the Devkit and it says "No WPS module present, Can't do WPS magic!" |
07:26:17 | Membrillo | what does that mean |
07:26:45 | JdGordon | not sure |
07:26:49 | JdGordon | happens ehre also |
07:28:08 | Membrillo | hmmm |
07:28:13 | Membrillo | anyone know what to do? |
07:28:45 | Membrillo | aaaaaaanyone out there? |
07:28:53 | JdGordon | its just u n me... |
07:29:02 | Membrillo | ah shit |
07:29:02 | JdGordon | there all dead,,, |
07:29:26 | Membrillo | ive spent ages working out how to do this and now it stuffs up on the last step and no ones around to help :'( |
07:29:36 | JdGordon | its fine |
07:29:41 | JdGordon | u can ignore it |
07:29:46 | Membrillo | wheres the EXE file? |
07:30:05 | JdGordon | in home/guest/<win32sim folder>/ |
07:30:34 | Membrillo | ah sweet |
07:30:36 | Membrillo | found it |
07:31:46 | Membrillo | am i meant to be able to see anything? |
07:32:12 | Membrillo | oh wait |
07:32:18 | Membrillo | its that setting you need to change |
07:32:40 | * | JdGordon like this pic |
07:32:40 | JdGordon | http://img29.exs.cx/img29/8341/h340ratm3er.jpg |
07:33:19 | Membrillo | its very photoshopped lol |
07:33:20 | Membrillo | :P |
07:33:24 | Membrillo | but yeah its coo |
07:33:27 | Membrillo | cool* |
07:33:29 | Membrillo | i like RATM |
07:35:13 | Membrillo | now ive got the sim working im off |
07:35:18 | Membrillo | ccya |
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07:43:47 | XavierGr | BBub: H100 or H300 definitely doesn't need 2 ampers of current |
07:45:06 | XavierGr | The adaptor that comes with the device is rated at 2 A. That means that the adaptor can give maximum 2 A if a device asks for it. |
07:45:24 | XavierGr | A proper USB cable can charge and sybc at the same time. |
07:45:49 | XavierGr | It is just that the charging will take much longer due to the low current of USB ports (5mA) |
07:48:19 | BBub | 500mA ;) |
07:50:07 | XavierGr | ops yes |
07:50:17 | XavierGr | forgot 2 zeros |
07:56:23 | JdGordon | any1 here opened there h300? |
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08:15:15 | webguest49 | hello there, sorry to bug but my iriver is stuck in a crash on boot cycle, it crashes on "read file system," i reset with the emergency button, crashes again. i can't turn it off, and have no idea how to fix the problem. any hints (or straight out answers even)? |
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08:21:31 | webguest47 | test |
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08:32:13 | rizz | hey folks, sorry to bug, but i'm having bootcrashing on my iriver 120. it gets to "read file system" then stops. i hard reset it, and it does it again. i can plug it into my pc fine using the USB port, and it reads the disks just dandy fine. any suggestions/answers? |
08:33:16 | XavierGr | a brute force solution would be to format it ;p |
08:33:36 | rizz | through windows i assume? |
08:33:55 | perplexity | mkdosfs -F32 /dev/sda1 :) |
08:34:03 | XavierGr | yes or iriver fw |
08:35:09 | rizz | alright how do i get to the firmware based format? |
08:35:40 | XavierGr | options-> general -> format |
08:36:41 | rizz | but.. it crashes on "read file system" i can't get there |
08:37:52 | Slasheri | Bagder: sorry, should be fixed now :) |
08:39:55 | XavierGr | is there the xxx2wav.h still on CVS? |
08:42:47 | XavierGr | hmm they are gone. Anyway to get them. A backup maybe? |
08:44:16 | XavierGr | ha I found them in the CVS under the attic folder |
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09:22:41 | Lost-ash | rizz: i'd chkdisk it first, if it connects in windows |
09:22:48 | Lost-ash | aah, too late. |
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09:55:29 | Acksaw | hey |
09:55:47 | Acksaw | i just "tried" to play sudoku, I know how to play, but this isnt sudoku! |
09:56:01 | Acksaw | it has no numbers already in? |
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10:04:47 | JdGordon | Acksaw: u gotta get game files |
10:04:51 | JdGordon | the wiki has a likn |
10:04:52 | JdGordon | link |
10:04:57 | Acksaw | ahh |
10:05:01 | Acksaw | that explains it |
10:05:03 | Acksaw | link? |
10:05:09 | JdGordon | google.com :p |
10:05:17 | Acksaw | nvm |
10:06:15 | JdGordon | http://www.angusj.com/sudoku/ |
10:06:39 | XavierGr | how much iram does h120 has? |
10:07:08 | JdGordon | 32mb isnt it? |
10:07:45 | XavierGr | maybe, I don't know if the iram is a different memory |
10:09:30 | Maxime | µ/allocine le carton |
10:09:35 | Maxime | oops sry |
10:12:29 | perplexity | According to my datasheet, the h120 has 96kb Iram broken into a 32kb and 64kb bank.. |
10:14:15 | JdGordon | 96kb??? |
10:15:41 | amiconn | yes |
10:16:12 | XavierGr | iram is different from the main memory of the player obviously |
10:16:29 | amiconn | Rockbox maps these 32KB+64KB into one contiguous block, then splits it between core and plugins/codecs |
10:17:01 | amiconn | IRAM is fast static RAM built into the CPU |
10:17:07 | Slasheri | yep, iram is inside the cpu core (and very fast), while dram is placed off chip and is much slower too |
10:17:25 | JdGordon | AH, ok, i thought iram wqas the main ram |
10:17:40 | XavierGr | so the plugin iram is 32kb? |
10:17:47 | perplexity | In addition, only 1 of the Iram banks is dma-able.. |
10:19:03 | amiconn | XavierGr: No, plugins and codecs share one half of the IRAM |
10:19:16 | amiconn | That means, a plugin that uses IRAM needs to stop playback first |
10:19:29 | amiconn | ...otherwise it will crash rockbox |
10:19:56 | XavierGr | I need to set a buffer. How big will I have to set it? |
10:20:18 | XavierGr | The bigger the better as it will write to disk |
10:21:00 | XavierGr | but it is commented "gonna run out of iram" |
10:21:17 | XavierGr | so it must be set accordingly right? |
10:26:19 | Slasheri | Hmm, what are you doing? Do you really need iram for that |
10:26:19 | Slasheri | ? |
10:26:42 | amiconn | Slasheri: Is this morse stuff really faster/ easier than the standard vkeyboard?? |
10:26:45 | Slasheri | You should put buffer to dram unless you need a really fast accesses to it |
10:26:50 | * | amiconn can't imagine that... |
10:27:05 | Slasheri | amiconn: yes it is, if you have learnt the morse alphabets |
10:27:22 | Slasheri | and it's a nice thing for learning them too :) |
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10:28:06 | XavierGr | Slasheri: I picked u the xxx2wav files and working onthe mid2wav plugin. |
10:28:20 | Slasheri | amiconn: at least you don't need to nagitave through the keyboard and find the correct character.. So, if it's not faster, it should be at least easier to type |
10:28:39 | Slasheri | XavierGr: ah, then you most definately shouldn't use iram for buffering |
10:28:42 | XavierGr | I don't know much about it but it has a big buffer that outputs wave data to disk |
10:29:02 | XavierGr | it was set to 2000 but it is small and hogs the disk |
10:29:27 | XavierGr | if I set it more that ~42500 it will complain that the iram is full on compile time |
10:31:47 | Slasheri | amiconn: with cw, communication speed is typically 25 - 60 characters/s (depending on how good people manage the morse alphabets). I can't imagine how this could be possible with the standard virtual keyboard :) |
10:32:30 | XavierGr | wow 60 characters/s? |
10:32:38 | amiconn | Hmm, but I imagine the select button being a far-from ideal button for morse input... |
10:32:40 | XavierGr | are you sure? I mean 60/second? |
10:32:41 | Slasheri | XavierGr: yes |
10:32:58 | amiconn | I doubt that |
10:33:03 | JdGordon | but the long-key-press for the - would kill that speed |
10:33:07 | Slasheri | i am.. the was even a cw test where user should manage that speed |
10:33:10 | JdGordon | unless . is a diff key to - ? |
10:33:19 | XavierGr | it's true though that in a recent contest... |
10:33:23 | Slasheri | CW1 (for beginners) had 40/s and CW2 60/s |
10:33:35 | Slasheri | but now it's 25/s and cw is not mandatory any more |
10:33:47 | JdGordon | ..−−.. ..- ...−− −−-... .. ...- |
10:34:07 | XavierGr | between a chapions in an sms writer and a mors code guy, morse beat the hell up of the sms in means of speed. |
10:34:43 | XavierGr | Slasheri: Morse input lacks the "/" for renaming. Can you add that? |
10:34:44 | JdGordon | not nescacerily... it all depends how long the - needs to be held for... |
10:35:12 | Slasheri | XavierGr: i doubt that is a standard code.. but i will investigate |
10:35:38 | XavierGr | what is CW? |
10:36:16 | Slasheri | amiconn: i just checked from papers and it was 60/s to get the highest level amateur radio license |
10:36:50 | XavierGr | amateur? |
10:36:53 | Slasheri | XavierGr: it just means telegraphy |
10:36:57 | XavierGr | how about proffesionals? |
10:37:11 | amiconn | 60/s would mean more than 60 Hz (since morse code has more than one element per letter) |
10:37:16 | Slasheri | hehe, i just need to find i good site for you |
10:37:27 | amiconn | I think that should read 60/min |
10:37:28 | Slasheri | *would |
10:37:39 | Slasheri | amiconn: oh, of course.. |
10:37:42 | Slasheri | sorry about that :D |
10:37:50 | XavierGr | Slasheri: I seriously doubt that they can write 60 characters per second. 1 second is 2 maybe 1 long clicks for the iriver. |
10:37:55 | Slasheri | hehe :D |
10:37:58 | amiconn | A _huge_ difference ;) |
10:40:53 | Slasheri | XavierGr: http://www.irony.com/ham-howto.html |
10:41:04 | Slasheri | there seems to be a short introduction |
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10:41:36 | XavierGr | ah now I get it. He uses a static char array which if set to high cant fit. |
10:41:50 | XavierGr | The same problem I had with the file scrolling jpeg viewer |
10:41:59 | XavierGr | I will make it to use a pointer instead |
10:42:14 | XavierGr | that way it would be able to make a big big buffer. |
10:47:16 | XavierGr | grrr now that I found the biggest array it will accept it will just lag a specific interval during playback of the wav file |
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10:48:44 | XavierGr | int currentSample IDATA_ATTR; <- what kind of declaration is this? |
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10:49:54 | Zak1392 | hey everyone |
10:51:41 | amiconn | Slasheri: Hmm, it seems you're right; it doesn't need much practice to be relatively fast with morse input |
10:52:01 | Slasheri | :) |
10:52:12 | amiconn | I think it would be nice to enable morse input for archos, but it needs some work |
10:52:26 | amiconn | Archos can't show all codes in one screen |
10:52:27 | XavierGr | well as I mentioned you should add a '/' for renames |
10:52:54 | Slasheri | Hmm, yes. Scrolling support for the alphabets display and for players without a graphical lcd, entirely new code.. |
10:53:22 | amiconn | Slasheri: Btw, is there a reason why the - isn't shown as - ? |
10:54:38 | Slasheri | Hmm, you mean the symbols for . and -? |
10:54:47 | amiconn | yes |
10:55:03 | Slasheri | - would take more space.. no other reason |
10:56:09 | Slasheri | so that could be changed but then we need to be able to scroll because everything wouldn't fit on the screen at once |
10:56:27 | Zak1392 | is the battery percentage correct on h300s? |
10:56:34 | XavierGr | also you could add to scroll on the bar by simple holding left or right |
10:56:50 | XavierGr | there is no need to hold play together with the direction |
10:57:06 | XavierGr | and on archos targets up or down could change the legend to show more letters |
10:57:28 | webguest41 | Couldn't the Archos morse chart be a bitmap? That way it could fit the screen.... |
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10:58:02 | Zak1392 | can anyone answer my Q? |
10:58:42 | Slasheri | XavierGr: in morse mode, scrolling on the bar with left/right works now |
10:59:04 | amiconn | XavierGr: Yes, for recorder and Ondio, but the player has no up/down |
10:59:52 | XavierGr | Zak1392: It is right, but it is a mere guess |
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11:00:21 | XavierGr | Though maybe it will need a bit more of optimization because H300 has larger amper needs. |
11:00:54 | Zak1392 | the battery life goes down a hell of a lot quicker with rockbox |
11:01:03 | XavierGr | Zak1392: If you can compile see my battery_benchmark plugin on the patchtracker run a test and tell us your results |
11:01:47 | Musicmad | Slasheri: would you consider changing the morse key away from joystick? |
11:02:02 | amiconn | Slasheri: We need some clever ideas for button mapping, especially for Ondio |
11:02:40 | amiconn | The Ondio vkeyboard doesn't use a separate flip key, but flips through pages with left/right in the picker area |
11:02:41 | Slasheri | Musicmad: hmm, maybe but why? i think it's the best key to type in morse |
11:02:54 | Slasheri | amiconn: yes, true |
11:03:24 | XavierGr | Slasheri: Because the click buttons can easily be damaged from use |
11:03:37 | XavierGr | ^buttons r/s |
11:03:37 | Slasheri | Musicmad: with other buttons, you don't feel anything and you would easily type errors |
11:03:40 | Slasheri | ah :/ |
11:03:45 | XavierGr | argh buttons = button |
11:06:11 | Musicmad | Slasheri: what XavierGr said. Plus is noisy as hell :) |
11:06:14 | Musicmad | it's |
11:06:50 | Musicmad | Slasheri: I think the feedback from the other buttons is more than sufficient actually. |
11:07:04 | XavierGr | well the next candidate is the record key, you could add this key too and let the user choose which one he wants. We have many keys unassigned in this screen so it wouldn't be a problem |
11:07:24 | webguest41 | How 'bout "click" and also "up"? |
11:07:52 | Musicmad | how about "hold"? |
11:08:01 | Musicmad | :D |
11:08:24 | XavierGr | nahh it would be tricky and damaging |
11:08:36 | Musicmad | erhm that was a joke. |
11:09:01 | Slasheri | Hmm, probably we have to create a menu option to specify the behaviour for morse: Which button to use, the delays and behaviour (click-down and hold or click-hold etc.) |
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11:09:07 | XavierGr | now that I think of it. What if your hold button breaks on hold position (internally) |
11:09:15 | XavierGr | the player is rendered useless. |
11:09:25 | XavierGr | No bootloader no normal fw ;p |
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11:15:01 | amiconn | Slasheri: The 'accept' button mapping on Ondio & player is another issue. They are currently mapped to long Mode resp. long Play, which would block inputting a - |
11:19:46 | XavierGr | anyone that cares about optimizing midi2wav.c? It is 78% realtime currently with no ASM included. |
11:23:04 | * | amiconn wonders how the vkeyboard could look like with full unicode support |
11:23:13 | * | amiconn prods Bagder |
11:23:21 | XavierGr | hehe |
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11:24:51 | amiconn | I can imagine the selfextracting .ajz will be faster when loaded by original archos rom firmware |
11:25:23 | amiconn | The archos descrambler is rather slow, and there is less data to descramble when loading a compressed .ajz |
11:25:34 | amiconn | This could make up for the decompression time... |
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11:37:13 | Jungti1234 | yaho |
11:37:50 | Bger | +o |
11:38:40 | Jungti1234 | I understood cygwin use myself! |
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11:39:24 | Jungti1234 | I use it and I compile myself. |
11:39:48 | Jungti1234 | It was difficult that learn it. |
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11:40:49 | amiconn | bbl |
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12:14:10 | Jungti1234 | Is no one here? |
12:17:43 | JdGordon | im here... |
12:17:48 | Jungti1234 | haha |
12:18:11 | Jungti1234 | May I ask a question to you? |
12:19:13 | Zak1392 | can you ask me a question ;) |
12:19:18 | Jungti1234 | ok |
12:19:25 | Jungti1234 | I use cygwin. |
12:19:45 | Jungti1234 | Error becomes to creat firmware. |
12:19:52 | Jungti1234 | creat = make |
12:20:16 | linuxstb | XavierGr: Have you got the midi2wav plugin working? |
12:20:21 | JdGordon | whats the error? |
12:20:33 | Jungti1234 | In drivers/lcd-16bit.c |
12:20:49 | Jungti1234 | wait JdGordon |
12:21:07 | Jungti1234 | I will take screenshot. |
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12:22:06 | * | JdGordon will be back right after these short messages from our sponsors |
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12:22:50 | Jungti1234 | hi |
12:23:05 | muesli_- | hi |
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12:23:31 | JdGordon | .. and we're back |
12:23:45 | Jungti1234 | ok |
12:25:51 | Jungti1234 | JdGordon |
12:25:52 | Jungti1234 | http://jungti1234.netcci.net/iriver/h300/rockbox/a.JPG |
12:26:01 | Jungti1234 | See this. |
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12:27:14 | |Bger| | Jungti1234: any patches ? |
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12:33:55 | Jungti1234 | unicode |
12:34:10 | Jungti1234 | hey, JdGordon |
12:34:16 | JdGordon | hey |
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12:34:26 | JdGordon | its prob the unicode patch then |
12:34:30 | JdGordon | remove it and all should be good |
12:34:42 | Jungti1234 | Did you see it? |
12:34:58 | JdGordon | of find the file bidi_suport_enabled and add the function prototype to the correct .h file |
12:35:08 | JdGordon | or the top of lcd-16bit.c |
12:35:30 | * | JdGordon is preparing for tomorow... only semi here |
12:35:55 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
12:36:07 | Jungti1234 | I didn't understand. |
12:36:20 | JdGordon | w00t im going on a 747 :D |
12:36:27 | |Bger| | wow :) |
12:36:32 | Jungti1234 | wow |
12:36:44 | |Bger| | Jungti1234: u must go and play with source ... |
12:36:58 | JonSenior | Has anyone here had any success with emulating the Coldfire (And thus, the original firmware)? Or has all the work been done by hand? I can't get the coldfire emulator to execute anything as it always seg faults. |
12:37:49 | linuxstb | JonSenior: No, I don't think anyone has tried the emulator. It was talked about before we had code running on the target, but I don't think anyone thought it would be useful to put any work into it. |
12:37:53 | Jungti1234 | Where do go? |
12:38:00 | JonSenior | Just trying to separate the code blocks from the data in the H300 firmware, and thus be able to track routines that operate on GPIO. |
12:38:28 | JonSenior | I can't get my head around what is going on after the descrambling. |
12:40:23 | perplexity | Which emulator are you using JonSenior ? |
12:40:41 | JonSenior | The coldfire one that is mentioned in the wiki |
12:40:56 | JonSenior | The only other options appear to be quite pricey commercial ones. |
12:41:14 | JdGordon | its only as pricey as your p2p client :p |
12:41:37 | |Bger| | Jungti1234: give me a link to the patch |
12:41:43 | JonSenior | However the emulator will happily dissassemble the machine code, but crashes if I try to run anything. |
12:41:56 | perplexity | I have been working on QEMU myself, but I'm stalled adding the MAC unit operations at the moment (stalled due to lack of time mainly) |
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12:42:17 | JonSenior | JDGordon: I haven't looked, but I don't imagine they'll be that popular. They're not in the Top 10! ;-) |
12:42:42 | JonSenior | perplexity: Is there a web page with the current state of play on it? |
12:42:51 | linuxstb | Anyone know why there is a HAVE_RTC condition around the ata_flush() in lines 139 and 296 of apps/gui/gwps.c ? I thought that even targets with RTC RAM would also store some settings on disk ? |
12:43:58 | perplexity | Nope.. it's a hack based on a svn repository I found floating around somewhere |
12:45:40 | perplexity | If I had seen the one in the wiki I'd get onto that instead.. mine was only going to emulate userspace stuff, I'll help with that one to do full system emulation.. I'd love to boot the original firmware. |
12:47:02 | Lear | linuxstb: I'd guess it is saving the resume point that is the main interest here... Still, looks a bit odd, I agree. :) |
12:47:32 | |Bger| | Jungti1234? |
12:47:46 | JonSenior | perplexity: PaulS is already working on adding the 5249 to the coldfire emulator, I'm waiting for a reply to an email I sent him to see where he got to. |
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12:48:57 | JonSenior | I was working on a generic simulator (configurable to different systems) but it never really made it past the planning stage, and it would have been horrendous to impliment a 32bit processor with it. |
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12:51:19 | Bger | wb, amiconn |
12:51:30 | Jungti1234 | why? |
12:51:45 | Bger | Jungti1234: to apply it here and see the problem ... |
12:51:59 | Jungti1234 | wait |
12:52:26 | * | amiconn prods Bagder again |
12:54:01 | Bger | Jungti1234: just give me the link in the patch tracker ... |
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12:54:09 | Jungti1234 | hehe okok wait |
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12:56:46 | Jungti1234 | Bger: http://jungti1234.netcci.net/iriver/h300/rockbox/home.zip |
12:57:00 | Bger | heh, Jungti1234, ok, w8 |
12:58:47 | Lear | Btw, anyone managed to build a Coldfire-target version of gcc 4.0.2 using gcc 3.4.4? |
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13:03:18 | JdGordon | is there a working txt editor for rb? |
13:03:24 | Bger | JdGordon? |
13:03:27 | Bger | for rb??? |
13:03:38 | JdGordon | ye, as in edit txt on the player |
13:03:47 | Bger | hm, no atm |
13:03:53 | JdGordon | bugger |
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13:09:33 | JdGordon | silly q i know... but... how often are new bootloaders normally needed? i mean once its stable.. |
13:09:40 | linuxstb | amiconn: Do you know the reason for the two references to HAVE_RTC present in apps/gui/gwps.c ? |
13:10:53 | Jungti1234 | Bger |
13:11:09 | Jungti1234 | Did you see it? |
13:11:15 | Bger | w8, Jungti1234 |
13:11:20 | Jungti1234 | ok |
13:11:27 | ghode|afk | JdGordon: i think someone yesterday said they had a working txt editer for the h300 |
13:11:37 | JdGordon | kewl |
13:11:39 | Bger | eli_ahere |
13:11:40 | amiconn | linuxstb: yes |
13:11:42 | ghode|afk | eli_something, he made the paint plugin |
13:11:48 | JdGordon | on MR forums? |
13:11:48 | Bger | or smthing simillar |
13:11:50 | ghode|afk | thx bger :p |
13:11:59 | ghode|afk | yes JdGordon |
13:12:07 | ghode|afk | should be in the logs somewhere |
13:12:17 | JdGordon | ta |
13:12:21 | Jungti1234 | eli_sherer |
13:12:22 | Bger | eli_sherer |
13:12:24 | Jungti1234 | he. |
13:12:27 | JdGordon | echo |
13:12:28 | JdGordon | echo |
13:12:28 | Jungti1234 | http://www.freewebs.com/eli_sherer/ |
13:12:49 | JdGordon | he made sokoban colour :D |
13:12:55 | JdGordon | my hero haha |
13:13:03 | Jungti1234 | and he made RockWord |
13:13:12 | ghode|afk | <JdGordon> silly q i know... but... how often are new bootloaders normally needed? i mean once its stable.. - a new one is released whenever something important needs changing/adding. Linusn doesn't like to release them too often. |
13:13:23 | Jungti1234 | I want that it supports Hangul. :) |
13:13:35 | Jungti1234 | oh |
13:13:36 | JdGordon | ye, thats what i figured |
13:14:13 | JdGordon | does any1 think the new h300 fw feels faster (iriv, not rb v3) |
13:14:16 | Jungti1234 | Is flood in France? |
13:14:18 | ghode|afk | once the h3x00 becomes stable i doubt you'll see a new one for a while, or whent he next new target is out |
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13:16:16 | mirak | JdGordon: no |
13:16:19 | mirak | I don't |
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13:16:37 | JdGordon | hmm.. feels faster here |
13:16:58 | mirak | JdGordon: for the menu still sucks |
13:17:02 | mirak | for me |
13:17:14 | mirak | the long press to go to the menu sucks |
13:17:17 | mirak | on record |
13:17:32 | elfez | I'm getting a hard lockup with an iriver build from Oct 20th - any lockup bugs been fixed sice then (where do I look?) |
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13:18:05 | mirak | Jungti1234: flood ? |
13:18:29 | Jungti1234 | inundation |
13:18:38 | Jungti1234 | deluge |
13:18:39 | mirak | in france ? |
13:18:45 | Jungti1234 | yes |
13:18:48 | mirak | were ? |
13:18:57 | mirak | not were I leave |
13:19:05 | Bger | live :) |
13:19:06 | Jungti1234 | ah. |
13:19:25 | Jungti1234 | hehe |
13:19:38 | ghode|afk | elfez: i would download the latest build and see if that fixes it, there have been a lot of changes since 20th ot |
13:19:39 | Bger | hm |
13:19:56 | Jungti1234 | Bger: Must I wait yet? |
13:19:58 | Bger | Jungti1234: did the "make" nearly hangs after making tools? |
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13:20:25 | Jungti1234 | what? |
13:20:39 | elfez | ghode|afk, Will do: Just waiting for battery to drain :) |
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13:21:01 | Bger | Jungti1234: does the "make" after configure stand a while |
13:21:52 | ghode|afk | why would you do that elfez? |
13:21:55 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
13:22:27 | Jungti1234 | I don't know whether I speak that you are what. |
13:23:54 | elfez | ghode|afk: Can't switch the h120 off - hard lockup |
13:24:12 | elfez | or is there a reset switch? |
13:24:26 | ghode|afk | yes |
13:24:34 | ghode|afk | at the bottom of the player, a small pin hole |
13:24:46 | ghode|afk | next to the usb port |
13:24:51 | JdGordon | cyaz |
13:24:53 | elfez | but does it reset to default state? |
13:25:01 | ghode|afk | it will reset the player |
13:25:10 | elfez | ie, does it reset settings al well? |
13:25:15 | JonSenior | Jungti: I think Italy has been hit by the storm and Venice has flooded. |
13:25:17 | elfez | s/al/as |
13:25:19 | ghode|afk | no |
13:25:26 | JonSenior | Jungti: According to the BBC website anyway! |
13:25:47 | Jungti1234 | Very strange. |
13:25:53 | elfez | ghode|afk: Thanks - reading manuals is for wimps ;) |
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13:26:09 | ghode|afk | reset the player, then plug in the usb cable, and download a new rbx version |
13:26:21 | Jungti1234 | flood in the winter? |
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13:26:40 | ghode|afk | this is still summer time :P |
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13:27:18 | Jungti1234 | ah? |
13:27:26 | Jungti1234 | The South Korea is very cold. |
13:30:14 | Jungti1234 | Bger |
13:30:29 | Jungti1234 | Explain much more. |
13:34:46 | Bger | Jungti1234: my devkit "hands' |
13:35:03 | Bger | ~/rb_unicode/jungti/rockbox/build>make |
13:35:03 | Bger | make -C /home/guest/rb_unicode/jungti/rockbox/tools CC=gcc rdf2binary scramble d |
13:35:03 | Bger | escramble mkboot bmp2rb convbdf |
13:35:03 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Bger |
13:35:03 | Bger | make[1]: `rdf2binary' is up to date. |
13:35:03 | Bger | make[1]: `scramble' is up to date. |
13:35:04 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
13:35:04 | Bger | make[1]: `descramble' is up to date. |
13:35:06 | Bger | make[1]: `mkboot' is up to date. |
13:35:06 | Jungti1234 | hands? |
13:35:08 | Bger | make[1]: `bmp2rb' is up to date. |
13:35:10 | Bger | make[1]: `convbdf' is up to date. |
13:35:12 | Bger | after that |
13:35:14 | Bger | hangs |
13:35:16 | Bger | sorry |
13:35:24 | Jungti1234 | ??? |
13:35:28 | Bger | i suppose there is a loop after this |
13:35:31 | Bger | in the makefiles |
13:36:04 | Jungti1234 | hmm... |
13:36:25 | Jungti1234 | Did you make already? |
13:36:54 | Bger | no... |
13:38:19 | Bger | hmmmm... |
13:38:28 | Bger | maybe -x problem |
13:41:51 | Jungti1234 | waklhfqif |
13:42:04 | Jungti1234 | I can't know what problem is. |
13:45:05 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
13:46:05 | Bger | Jungti1234: w8 sec |
13:46:14 | Jungti1234 | ok |
13:47:21 | elfez | ghode|afk: Seems fixed with new fw - can't reproduce the problem... Thanks :) |
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13:56:27 | Bger | Jungti1234: your patch is not full |
13:56:39 | Jungti1234 | right |
13:56:48 | Bger | that is, unicode_1202.patch |
13:56:53 | Jungti1234 | yes |
13:57:42 | Bger | execute it again with -R switch added to the patch command to remove it |
13:58:08 | Jungti1234 | how? |
13:58:42 | Bger | u did patch -p1 < ../unicode_1202.patch in the rockbox dir, yep ? |
13:59:00 | Jungti1234 | -p0 |
13:59:08 | Bger | huh ? |
13:59:20 | Bger | and it applyed ? |
13:59:31 | ghode|afk | elfez: np |
13:59:49 | Jungti1234 | patch -p0 -d . < unicode_1202.patch |
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14:00:02 | Jungti1234 | I don't know |
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14:00:06 | Bger | Jungti1234, w8 sec |
14:00:17 | Jungti1234 | I don't well English. ^^: |
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14:02:11 | Bger | Jungti1234: do you remember in which directory u run it |
14:02:18 | |Lupin| | Hello, there ! |
14:02:28 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
14:02:28 | * | amiconn wonders about Lear's latest change |
14:02:29 | Jungti1234 | hi |
14:02:48 | * | Lear wonders which? |
14:02:56 | |Lupin| | I'm wondering if RockBox can record voice on Iriver, now ? If it can not, may I ask what's missing ? |
14:02:58 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
14:03:06 | amiconn | Lear: The win32 yield() change. |
14:03:08 | Bger | Jungti1234: just run in the same dir " patch -p0 -R -d . < unicode_1202.patch " |
14:03:15 | Lear | Ah, what about it? |
14:03:23 | Jungti1234 | ah ok |
14:03:23 | amiconn | It looks like you added the wait magic yourself... |
14:03:27 | Jungti1234 | wait |
14:03:39 | Bger | this will remove the patch |
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14:03:48 | Bger | amiconn: quick q about patch |
14:03:56 | Lear | Sure did, and it worked when I added it. Now this works better... |
14:03:59 | ghode|afk | Lupin, which irver do you have? |
14:04:21 | |Lupin| | ghode|afk: 1xx I think. |
14:04:22 | Jungti1234 | why remove? |
14:04:39 | ghode|afk | should be able to then |
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14:05:00 | |Lupin| | ghode|afk: Really ? It is out of the debug menu now ? |
14:05:07 | ghode|afk | yup |
14:05:12 | |Lupin| | great ! |
14:05:16 | ghode|afk | A-B > Recording > PLay around :p |
14:05:19 | Bger | if the filenames in the patchfile say something like "diff -ruN rockbox-devel/apps/" and your dir is named "rockbox", what will patch -p0 -d . < do ? |
14:05:51 | |Lupin| | ghode|afk: Wonderful, really. And is this vocalized, too ? |
14:06:10 | ghode|afk | you mean voice menus? i am not sure |
14:06:21 | Jungti1234 | ?? |
14:06:25 | Bger | uf |
14:06:28 | Bger | Jungti1234 |
14:06:34 | ghode|afk | amiconn: do you know? |
14:06:38 | Jungti1234 | I don't understand long sentence. |
14:06:41 | |Lupin| | ghode|afk: Yes, it's what I mean. I'm blind. Well if it is not yet vocalized, maybe I canTry to do it... |
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14:07:54 | Jungti1234 | Bger? |
14:07:59 | Bger | Jungti1234: |
14:08:06 | Jungti1234 | why -_-; |
14:08:23 | ghode|afk | well the last update to voice files was the 23/11 so maybe the recording menu is now included |
14:08:30 | Bger | Jungti1234: i suggest you to do this |
14:08:30 | ghode|afk | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceFiles |
14:08:39 | Bger | run rockbox devkit |
14:08:55 | Jungti1234 | It's difficult. |
14:09:03 | |Lupin| | ghode|afk: Thanks. |
14:09:12 | Bger | ? |
14:09:18 | Jungti1234 | wait |
14:09:35 | Jungti1234 | I it problem many . |
14:09:39 | amiconn | ghode|afk: Most of the recording menu is not voiced |
14:09:53 | amiconn | ...for two reasons |
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14:10:35 | amiconn | (1) The recording menu can't be voiced on archos, because the MAS can't encode and decode at the same time |
14:11:20 | amiconn | (2) Adding voice clips for the recording menu increases the size of the voice file. It already is really tight on archos |
14:11:30 | amiconn | We really need l10n v2 ... |
14:11:43 | Bger | Bagder:) |
14:11:46 | |Lupin| | l10n ? |
14:11:52 | amiconn | localisation |
14:11:52 | Bger | localisation |
14:12:12 | Bger | there are 10 letters in localisation between the 'l" and "n" |
14:12:19 | |Lupin| | amiconn: Well I understand your points very well, it's just a pity for me cause recording with Iriver's proprietary firmware is a pain... |
14:12:57 | |Lupin| | Bger: yup I know the principle. www.a11y.worg :-) |
14:12:57 | Jungti1234 | hey Bger |
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14:13:04 | Bger | Jungti1234: |
14:13:09 | Bger | did u run the devkit |
14:13:21 | Jungti1234 | It's much problem. |
14:13:27 | Bger | ? |
14:13:32 | Jungti1234 | I gave up while I try it already. |
14:13:34 | Bger | what is the prablem |
14:13:41 | Bger | heh .. ok... |
14:13:58 | Jungti1234 | There is no file inside tools folder. |
14:14:17 | jomtones | hi! |
14:14:18 | Bger | hm |
14:14:21 | Jungti1234 | Retry then. |
14:14:24 | Bger | Jungti1234: just run it |
14:14:26 | Jungti1234 | wait |
14:14:30 | jomtones | can anyone help with a queuing question? |
14:14:41 | Bger | not the make etc, just run Rockbox DevKit |
14:15:14 | jomtones | I wanna know if there's a simple way to queue up another file - like the 'hit a-b' system in the iRiver firmware... |
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14:15:55 | |Lupin| | Away. Please query me if you've sth to tell me. Else I'll miss theMessage. |
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14:21:17 | jomtones | gotsa go i'll try l8r |
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14:52:10 | linuxstb | Lear: (I've just read your email to rockbox-dev) I know that at least the dependencies are not working properly with the codecs, so at least that needs to be fixed. The problem is probably that any mistakes which were present with the first codec have just been duplicated about 10 times. A cleanup is definitely needed. |
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14:53:53 | linuxstb | Bagder: Why does the daily build table say it builds 35 targets, but only 34 are listed in the table? |
14:55:47 | amiconn | linuxstb: If you introduced CONFIG_RTC, you don't need a separate HAVE_RTC |
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15:00:45 | len0x | any devs around ? |
15:03:30 | Jungti1234 | grrrrrr |
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15:04:37 | len0x | grrr? :) |
15:04:53 | Jungti1234 | :D |
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15:06:15 | linuxstb | amiconn: I thought it might be clearer to keep the HAVE_RTC define. But you're right that they are equivalent, and probably always will be. |
15:06:35 | amiconn | CONFIG_LED works the same way |
15:06:36 | len0x | someone's around i see :) |
15:06:47 | amiconn | (or rather, used to work the same way) |
15:07:26 | len0x | anyone knows why default settings might not be restored properly if defines as enum? |
15:08:13 | linuxstb | amiconn: Do you mean that there used to be both CONFIG_LED and HAVE_LED, but the latter was removed? |
15:08:31 | amiconn | I mean the just was HAVE_LED in the beginning |
15:08:42 | amiconn | Then we added virtual LED support for Ondio |
15:08:59 | amiconn | We introduced CONFIG_LED and removed HAVE_LED |
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15:09:24 | amiconn | CONFIG_LED == LED_REAL means there is a real, controllable LED |
15:09:42 | amiconn | CONFIG_LED == LED_VIRTUAL means there is a virtual LED in the status bar |
15:10:09 | amiconn | If we wanted none of these 2, CONFIG_LED wouldn't be defined at all |
15:10:52 | amiconn | This principle is no longer 'clean' since the virtual LED addition for the H100 remote |
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15:13:27 | Jungti1234 | Have a nice day all |
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15:13:56 | |Lupin| | gotta go |
15:13:58 | |Lupin| | bye there |
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15:15:58 | linuxstb | amiconn: If I think of CONFIG_RTC in the same way as CONFIG_TUNER then I agree with you. So I agree with you :) |
15:16:33 | amiconn | CONFIG_TUNER is different from all other multi-value config options |
15:16:40 | amiconn | ...in that it is a bit mask |
15:17:19 | amiconn | ...because we need to support 2 different tuners on Ondio FM, detected at runtime |
15:17:57 | linuxstb | Yes, I realise that. |
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15:20:19 | linuxstb | If CONFIG_RTC is not always defined, and I use a line like #if CONFIG_RTC == RTC_M41ST84W in a SOURCES file, will that work as expected? |
15:21:26 | linuxstb | I guess I need a #ifdef CONFIG_RTC around it. |
15:21:49 | amiconn | no |
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15:22:07 | amiconn | Just make sure none of the possible RTC_* values is 0 |
15:23:06 | linuxstb | So if CONFIG_RTC is undefined, the pre-processor gives it the value 0 ? |
15:23:23 | amiconn | yes, when used in expressions |
15:24:14 | linuxstb | So the #ifdef CONFIG_TUNER in firmware/SOURCES isn't needed? |
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15:27:12 | amiconn | Yes, it *should* not be necessary |
15:29:00 | linuxstb | Why do you say *should* ? |
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15:29:53 | amiconn | Just because I didn't try it. |
15:30:14 | amiconn | ...and I think there might be a reason why it is there |
15:30:23 | San | hey, where can i get rockboy.rock? |
15:30:26 | San | i have it already, it is for someone else |
15:31:21 | linuxstb | San: It's included with Rockbox. So if someone else has Rockbox, he/she has Rockboy. |
15:31:53 | San | yeah, thats what I said, and they said they didn't have rockboy.rock or /.rockbox/rockboy |
15:32:30 | linuxstb | In which case, they either have a very old version of Rockbox, or they haven't installed it properly. |
15:33:08 | linuxstb | Just tell them to get the latest rockbox.zip from the Rockbox website, and unzip that to their player. |
15:33:13 | San | i will tell them that |
15:33:20 | San | they probally need a dailybuild |
15:33:26 | amiconn | . /.rockbox/rockboy is created by rockboy itself, as soon as it writes a savegame |
15:33:49 | San | ah |
15:35:14 | linuxstb | And Rockboy is a viewer, not a plugin - so rockboy.rock is in .rockbox/viewers/ |
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15:56:28 | linuxstb | amiconn: Do you know if the uisimulator/win32/rockbox.dsp file is obsolete? |
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16:47:11 | muesli_- | re |
16:47:42 | muesli_- | sorry, but where do i find the new sound option "prevent clipping.." |
16:47:43 | muesli_- | ? |
16:52:13 | ghode|afk | Sound Settings > Prevent Clipping |
16:52:28 | ghode|afk | Sound Settings > Clipping mode sorry |
16:53:04 | muesli_- | wether i am blind or my last update didnt work well |
16:53:06 | muesli_- | :o |
16:53:55 | muesli_- | g2g will come back l8er.. |
16:54:08 | Febs | Is that what he ended up calling it? "Clipping mode"? |
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17:08:10 | DrumRBoy320|away | thats probably because of me :P |
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17:16:58 | webguest53 | hi, is there a button combination to skip the next track in WPS? |
17:17:33 | amiconn | linuxstb: I think so. Build compatibility with MSVC is long gone... |
17:22:40 | linuxstb | amiconn: That's what I assumed. But I won't delete anything - there seems to be various win32 build files there, and I'm not sure which are only used by MSVC. |
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17:25:15 | amiconn | linuxstb: Afaiu all of the following files could be deleted: rockbox.dsp, uisw32.sln, uisw32.suo, uisw32.vcproj, Makefile.vc6 |
17:26:05 | amiconn | plugin.def and uisw32.rc have to stay. These are independent of MSVC |
17:26:42 | amiconn | The icon and the .bmp files too, of course |
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17:29:26 | linuxstb | amiconn: I'll leave that to you, if you want to remove them. I only mentioned it because there was a reference to HAVE_RTC in rockbox.dsp |
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17:29:38 | linuxstb | (and still is) |
17:29:54 | San||Away | anything major in the dailybuilds |
17:29:55 | San||Away | ? |
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17:31:11 | amiconn | linuxstb: This just looks like a compiler call, explicitly defining the symbol |
17:31:20 | amiconn | (aka hackish) |
17:32:38 | linuxstb | Yes, I didn't think there was any point in updating it - rockbox.dsp looks broken already. |
17:33:30 | linuxstb | i.e. it only supports the recorder and player as possible targets. |
17:33:58 | amiconn | msvc support is broken beyond repair |
17:34:06 | amiconn | ...and nobody seems to care anyway |
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17:35:39 | San | oh, you guys know that the scroll bug is back with bootloader v3? |
17:36:15 | linuxstb | What scroll bug? |
17:36:38 | San | when you are scrolling through loads of folders and then take your finger off, it continues |
17:37:51 | linuxstb | So it was fine with bootloader v2? |
17:37:58 | San | yes |
17:38:03 | San | perfect, I loved it |
17:38:27 | amiconn | This has nothing to do with the bootloader |
17:38:57 | San | yeah, jst saying though |
17:39:08 | San | yesterdays dailybuild then |
17:40:06 | San | wait |
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17:40:18 | San | just updated the dailybuild and it is working fine now |
17:40:19 | San | :D |
17:40:30 | amiconn | H300? |
17:40:42 | amiconn | Do you have a LCD remote? |
17:41:10 | muesli_- | re |
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17:51:26 | amiconn | Bleh, another option :(( |
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17:52:51 | webguest26 | can someone explain what the new volume options do, prevent clipping, adjust volume etc....? |
17:53:22 | muesli_- | ...and explain where they are..cant find them |
17:53:50 | BBub | sound -> prevent clipping |
17:53:54 | BBub | not hard to find imo ;) |
17:53:56 | amiconn | These options are one of the worst ideas, imho |
17:54:14 | webguest26 | well if I knew what they did I'd comment |
17:54:18 | muesli_- | BBub cant see them there :o |
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17:54:30 | BBub | maybe they are not available on the h3xx? |
17:54:31 | seffy | hi |
17:54:32 | BBub | i dont know |
17:55:06 | muesli_- | rockbox.zip 04-Dec-2005 16:58 833K |
17:55:10 | muesli_- | used this one |
17:55:16 | seffy | some know how can i help the ROCKBOX H3XX Project ? |
17:55:22 | seffy | someone* |
17:55:33 | webguest26 | muesli, in wps press and hold, enter "sound settings" submenu, last item on the list |
17:55:38 | BBub | webguest26: adjust volume keeps bass at full level and lets you not raise the volume anymore after some point and adjust bass lowers the bass so you can reach the full volume |
17:55:44 | amiconn | (1) A lot of extra code for almost no use. (2) Another example of iriver special code with no reason (3) Options to confuse the user |
17:56:04 | BBub | well, i like it |
17:56:24 | BBub | i found it uncomfortable to always have to lower the bass to get a higher volume |
17:56:32 | webguest26 | and the "off" setting ? |
17:56:41 | BBub | disables every prevention |
17:56:51 | BBub | so you can have full bass at full volume |
17:57:12 | muesli_- | webguest26 theres stereo width |
17:57:17 | muesli_- | but no clipping option |
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17:57:24 | amiconn | BBub: Imho it would have been a good solution to implement preglow's idea cobimed with Linus' (and a few other's) preference of a dB volume scale |
17:57:46 | webguest26 | muesli, it should be after stereo width |
17:58:18 | BBub | amiconn: i'm not familiar with that idea, i just saw the sound quality thread on the forum where the now included patch was posted before |
17:58:25 | amiconn | Just prescale the signal to prevent clipping until approaching 0 dB, then gradually remove the prescaling |
17:58:37 | webguest26 | after stereo width there's a prevent clipping option |
17:58:43 | BBub | amiconn: makes sense, yes |
17:59:14 | amiconn | This way a volume setting above 0 would indicate the possibility of clipping, without limiting the volume, and without additional cryptic options |
17:59:20 | amiconn | ..which also mean more code |
17:59:51 | amiconn | Furthermore, the current optionitis also means different behaviour per platform, with no reason |
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18:00:14 | BBub | thats true |
18:01:13 | linuxstb | I'm also a little concerned about the apparent desire to clone the behaviour of iriver's firmware "to make Rockbox more familiar to migrating iriver users". That should never be a goal of Rockbox. |
18:01:42 | amiconn | agreed 100% |
18:01:55 | amiconn | First of all, rockbox is multiplatform |
18:02:05 | amiconn | A number of coders seem to forget that |
18:02:21 | amiconn | Second, rockbox aims to be better than the original firmware |
18:02:43 | amiconn | ...which is almost impossible if it clones original firmware behaviour |
18:03:07 | _FireFly_ | muesli_-: try the bleeding edge build |
18:03:37 | BBub | well, but many ppl like it, that the iriver-fw offers you higher volume |
18:03:43 | BBub | i think thats the point |
18:03:48 | BBub | and not to clone the firmware |
18:03:58 | muesli_- | http://www.rockbox.org/daily/h120/rockbox-h120-20051204.zip that one? |
18:04:17 | amiconn | BBub: The iriver firmware does *not* offer higher volume, that's simply not true |
18:04:20 | linuxstb | But the iriver-fw doesn't offer you higher volume. It just does things behind the scenes to make it seem that way. |
18:05:05 | webguest26 | I find the "Prevent clipping" options very criptic, and there's no additional info on the wiki |
18:05:10 | _FireFly_ | muesli_-: not the daily ;) i mean the bleeding edge build ... http://www.rockbox.org/auto/build-h120/rockbox.zip |
18:05:10 | BBub | ok, but it does not limit the volume that early |
18:05:20 | webguest26 | criptic=cryptic |
18:05:22 | BBub | thats what i meant |
18:05:23 | muesli_- | _FireFly_ tried that one |
18:05:53 | amiconn | I could live with the aprroach I mentioned (or if dB volume isn't wanted for whatever reason, using 'percent' values >100 to indicate potential clipping |
18:05:57 | amiconn | ) |
18:06:18 | BBub | yeah, it's a good approach i agree |
18:06:37 | webguest26 | this volume argument has raged for centuries, there is percieved loudness, and actual loudness |
18:06:53 | amiconn | Less code, less options, higher volume than iriver with non-flat tone (at the drawback of potential clipping), and less option clutter |
18:07:19 | amiconn | ...and at last, uniform behviour on all platforms |
18:07:31 | webguest26 | if a volume indicator shows 100% then it should be at hardware max, simple |
18:07:57 | amiconn | Yes, so >100% could be used to indicate potential clipping, |
18:08:18 | amiconn | but I'd vote for switching to dB anyway |
18:09:21 | webguest53 | i like the idea of scaling down the bass at high volumes to prevent clipping |
18:09:35 | webguest26 | yes and allow the user to turn it down if it clips |
18:09:42 | _FireFly_ | amiconn: and maybe add an wps-tag which converts the db value to a percent value for those you whant percent-values |
18:10:04 | _FireFly_ | s/whant/want |
18:10:34 | amiconn | For the status bar, we could extend the volume indicator setting from graphic-numeric to graphic-percent-dB |
18:10:48 | _FireFly_ | yepp |
18:11:07 | _FireFly_ | and a "simple" convert-fn from db->% |
18:11:31 | amiconn | Rockbox' volume 'percent' are a linear mapping to dB anyway |
18:11:50 | amiconn | The only thing that differ between platforms here is the factor |
18:11:57 | amiconn | *differs |
18:13:10 | _FireFly_ | then a conversion fn would be easy |
18:13:14 | Slasheri | Hmm, the new config option "sound_scaling" was added to a weird place in the rtc_bits.. At least it could have been added to the existing HAVE_UDA1380 section if bumping up config block version was really necessary.. |
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18:17:57 | _FireFly_ | had some of the main-devs got some time to look at the new-wps-file-loader patch ?? |
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18:23:13 | webguest26 | what does "adjust current" in prevent clipping optons imply |
18:25:22 | BBub | no idea |
18:25:43 | amiconn | See, that's what I mean. Many cryptic options... |
18:25:53 | _FireFly_ | ;) |
18:26:00 | amiconn | Even I don't know what it does... |
18:26:15 | webguest26 | and the wiki hasn't been updated, no luck there |
18:26:17 | _FireFly_ | len0x should know it |
18:26:33 | _FireFly_ | afaik he has created commited this patch |
18:26:53 | _FireFly_ | *and commited* |
18:28:11 | webguest26 | Last option allows you to manually adjust volume/bass, so that the other metric gets decreased while you modifying current one. |
18:28:21 | webguest26 | ^ from the forum |
18:29:00 | webguest26 | way to cryptic |
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18:29:31 | amiconn | Then 'adjust current' is plain wrong. It adjusts *the other* value(s) to prevent clipping |
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18:32:52 | webguest26 | what other metric gets decreased if "you manually adjust" volume and bass ? |
18:34:50 | webguest26 | oh I see, if you increase bass it decreases volume, and retains that setting throughout the volume range, (thats my interpretation of it) |
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18:36:01 | webguest26 | but thats what the first two settings do anyway |
18:36:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | I still am of the opinion that it should all just be in the user's control. Having things change in the background seems like a generally bad idea. Does it at least show you the new value for the other if you go look? |
18:36:19 | * | webguest26 is confused |
18:36:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest26: It sounds like "Volume has priority" "Bass has priority" and "Whichever is being currently adjusted has priority" |
18:36:49 | webguest53 | no, it shows the old value |
18:37:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bloody stupid if you ask me then. You've got settings getting changed and you can't even see what they've become. |
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18:38:50 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: It would be like that with preglow's and Linus' suggestion |
18:39:11 | webguest26 | hmm, wish the author would add something to the wiki at least |
18:39:16 | amiconn | (and the stupid options would go away again) |
18:39:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hey, I was *for* using the dB scale, etc. |
18:40:06 | amiconn | I'm tempted to start working on that right away, but maybe it's better to collect opinions first |
18:40:54 | webguest53 | i think it would be better if the actually applied value showed in brackets after the set value (e.g. if you set bass to 18 and prevent clippung to "adjust bass" the bass shuld be shown as 18 (0) at volume 100) |
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18:41:02 | _FireFly_ | amiconn: if you would ask me then do it :) |
18:41:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: I vote in favor as well. |
18:41:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, your solution gives the user the full range of choices, without an options entry, no? |
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18:42:11 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: Yes, exactly |
18:42:15 | webguest26 | it would be nice if volume scaled to max hardware irrespective of bass or treble settings, let the user turn it down if it clips |
18:43:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: So, the only real negative is that "dB scale could confuse people" and even that can be solved by adding a third choice to how volume is displayed in the status bar. |
18:43:53 | webguest26 | most folks dont understand db scales |
18:44:21 | webguest53 | webguest26: afaiu you have this behaviour if you set prevent clipping to "off" |
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18:44:36 | amiconn | I would do it for all platforms as well (for recorder and Ondios, it's just a scale change; the handling itself is done in the MAS the same way as it would be handled in rockbox for player and iriver) |
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18:46:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think "making behaviour the same across all platforms" is a pretty damn good reason for doing it, too. |
18:47:19 | linuxstb | Just to play devil's advocate, Len0x's patch was discussed on the rockbox-dev mailing list - and no-one objected to it there.... |
18:47:28 | amiconn | It was?? |
18:47:42 | linuxstb | Yes - under "sound scaling patch" |
18:47:43 | * | amiconn checks the archive |
18:49:36 | webguest26 | cryptic menus and no manual entries makes for difficult understanding of product |
18:51:04 | amiconn | linuxstb: (1) He didn't start a new thread for that. This way many people don't pay as much attention. (2) I can't find any final decision. (3) A similar discussion was held in the channel, iirc also without final decision |
18:51:37 | linuxstb | Don't tell me that, I agree with you :) |
18:53:53 | amiconn | (4) Adding more and more options doesn't exactly make rockbox easier to use... |
18:55:47 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20051130.txt starting ~12:20 |
18:55:48 | webguest53 | in the options menu, you could make a "advanced options" section where you could move the options which confuse most users |
18:55:48 | _FireFly_ | btw what about the remote-settings-patch is there any objection/suggestion for to which prevents that it gets commited |
18:55:55 | Febs | In Len0x's defense, there has also been an ongoing discussion of his patch in this thread on the RB forum: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=956.135 |
18:56:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Everyone has their own opinion on "ease of use" anyway. (Not that I disagree, I think that's an exceedingly confusing option). Some people think the menu should be the first thing to display upon booting. |
18:57:35 | amiconn | _FireFly_: Do you mean the remte scroll settings? |
18:58:04 | amiconn | I still didn't look at it yet... |
18:58:22 | _FireFly_ | amiconn: yepp but not only scoll-settings are included in this patch |
18:58:29 | _FireFly_ | also some more |
18:58:32 | amiconn | Febs: That's one of these endless threads... |
18:58:37 | Lear | Febs: in a thread initially for something completely different... |
18:58:43 | Febs | I'll add a description of the scaling patches to the wikimanual later today ... as long as it is not going to be reverted. |
18:58:46 | Lear | (Well, almost anyway....) |
18:58:55 | _FireFly_ | e.g. statusbar/scrollbar settings for the remote |
18:58:57 | Febs | amiconn, Lear, I know, but I'm just pointing it out. |
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19:00:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, the story goes "after much discussion in places earmarked originally as discussion about something else, a decision may or may not have been reached?" |
19:02:18 | amiconn | Perhaps we should have a poll... although I'm not convinced that a poll would be that helpful |
19:03:41 | webguest26 | you devs are the experts, you know the hardware and software limitations, I think that the decesion is yours to make |
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19:09:28 | amiconn | Hmm, so if I am to count opinions, there are at least 5 (including mine) in favor of a dB volume scale and no additional options for clipping prevention? |
19:10:03 | amiconn | (Paul_The_Nerd, _FireFly_, linuxstb, LinusN, me) |
19:10:51 | _FireFly_ | yepp |
19:10:54 | _FireFly_ | :) |
19:10:56 | webguest26 | majority wins again:) *bam* |
19:10:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
19:11:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think that adding the choice to switch between "percentage" (or whatever you want to call the scale where 100% is max safe before clipping) and dB to the menu entry you'd talked about earlier may be necessary though, so people aren't *too* lost. |
19:12:12 | ghode|afk | amiconn: i dont think its really fair to judge the new for this based on who is online atm... |
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19:18:37 | amiconn | ghode|afk: Yes, perhaps. Still, I'm strongly against the solution committed today. It's far worse that how it was before |
19:18:56 | amiconn | It adds a ton of options to confuse people, and it splits platforms |
19:20:00 | amiconn | ...without reason. The prescaling for player worked exactly the same way as for iriver, just the range was different, matching the different treble & bass range |
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19:20:28 | ghode|afk | well something needed to be done, the rbx solution was unbearable tbh. if this paves way for a better way then good. |
19:20:54 | amiconn | The old rbx solution was still better than how it is now |
19:21:07 | amiconn | There is certainly no 'best' solution for all users |
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19:21:20 | ghode|afk | i'd have to disagree :/ at least now i have the freedom to choose how i want to listern to my music |
19:22:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | ghode|afk: I think the reason it's so bad isn't what it lets you do, but how it splits the platforms, and adds confusion. |
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19:27:46 | webguest53 | Paul_The_Nerd: but how could such a feature be implemented without adding confusion |
19:30:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think that it could be added in a less confusing way, perhaps. |
19:30:21 | webguest26 | if the wiki had been updated, there would have been less confusion |
19:31:16 | webguest26 | one cant be expected to "cruise" the forums endlessly trying to glean information on "options" implemented |
19:33:07 | amiconn | webguest53: Less options almost always mean less confusion |
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19:33:35 | webguest26 | the manual is where I logically expect information to be, |
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19:33:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, but iRiver hasn't officially been released yet |
19:33:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, it kinda makes sense that it's not in the manual. |
19:34:02 | amiconn | ...and also less code, smaller binaries, less places for possible bugs etc |
19:34:18 | amiconn | It means adhering to one of rockbox' main principles, KISS |
19:34:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | KISS is a very important principle. |
19:34:55 | webguest26 | Paul_The_Nerd ; so how are the other developers supposed to know how things work ? |
19:35:57 | webguest26 | judgeing by this one example I'd say keeping the manual updated is important. |
19:36:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest26: The manual isn't exactly where development is discussed... I'm not even sure it's been updated to 2.5 yet, has it? |
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19:37:10 | webguest26 | ok, I'll continue to guess what rockbox features are supposed to do :) |
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19:37:55 | webguest53 | amiconn: yes, but this is a feature that many people like to see in rockbox. and there are also many people who don't like this feature. so i think it is in this case better to have the option to enable/disable this feature |
19:39:10 | amiconn | I think the main point is that some people want to be sure rockbox won't clip, and others want the full hardware range even with potential clipping |
19:39:28 | webguest53 | btw what does "KISS" mean? |
19:39:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | webgueset26: Well, there's the mailing list, the wiki, the logs of this chatroom, the message posted with the commit (ideally where things should be explained, I think) and the forums. |
19:39:47 | max | webguest: keep it simple stupid |
19:39:53 | amiconn | The now-added option overkill caters for both, but makes both the code and using rockbox more complicated |
19:40:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest26: Most features shouldn't be confusing enough that they *need* an explanation, I'd say. |
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19:40:58 | amiconn | The suggestion to either switch to a dB volume scale (with 0 dB being the clip-safe maximum) or a percent scale with 100% being the clip-safe maximum and allowing >100% values would also cater for both, |
19:41:14 | amiconn | but without the added complexity |
19:41:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | And if you had the 100% as the default, it would be much less confusing than what we've got right now. |
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19:42:17 | webguest53 | amiconn: but would your aproach also include the passibility to automatically scale down bass at high volumes to prevent clipping? |
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19:42:26 | amiconn | It would also mean that the displayed values would always represent the true values, i.e. without behind-the-scenes mangling |
19:42:50 | amiconn | webguest53: Nope |
19:43:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, I'm all in favor of *not* having things happen behind the scenes. |
19:43:33 | Midgey34 | can anyone test and see if they can extract this archive? −−> http://www.upload2.net/download2/kMocFyOEFHhLL4U/wps.zip.html |
19:44:46 | leftright | amiconn: your method sounds good, I like to know that What I See Is What I Get, ie no manipulation behind the scenes |
19:44:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Midgey34: It's the whole WPS folder from a RockBox build, no? |
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19:45:38 | Midgey34 | Paul_The_Nerd: modified to use the full screen on the h300 |
19:45:42 | webguest53 | amiconn: bit this is exactly the fumctonality that i like with this new patch. if i'm walking on the street where is much traffic noise i don't want to take the unit out of my pocket and lower the bass manually, ust to have a higher volume |
19:45:49 | Midgey34 | the last archive no one could extract |
19:46:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Midgey34: Well, it extracted fine here. |
19:46:37 | Midgey34 | good, I'll edit my post on the forums |
19:46:52 | Midgey34 | what are you using to extract it? |
19:47:01 | leftright | well this patch does cater to all tastes from a "user" point of view |
19:47:03 | amiconn | webguest53: *If* we scale down one value to another value to go higher, this should be indicated |
19:47:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Midgey34: 7-zip |
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19:47:42 | Midgey34 | bugger, I think the problem is users using winzip |
19:47:49 | Midgey34 | I used 7zip to make the archive |
19:47:56 | Midgey34 | and I had no problems with either |
19:47:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Midgey34: Well, it depends on what compression method you picked then. |
19:48:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Midgey34: Just yell at them until they convert. |
19:48:16 | Midgey34 | I originally used ultra, now I used normal |
19:49:21 | amiconn | Midgey34: No problems with it here (using FilZip) |
19:50:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | leftright: It seems... dangerous. Just the fact that you can't know what the actual values are at, especially with the choice that lets you change either value, and lowers the other. |
19:50:36 | leftright | dangerous ? |
19:51:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just dangerous in the "I have no idea what the settings are at in reality any more" sense |
19:51:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not in the "it'll do bad things permanently" sense. |
19:52:14 | leftright | but being able to customise settings at will surely isn't a bad thing |
19:52:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | You lose the freedom to change them at will with any of the choices but "off" really. Because that's the only one that doesn't try to do things *for* you |
19:53:58 | leftright | ok I see your argument |
19:54:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | And you don't even know if something's been changed unless you turn it off and see if it sounds the same, because it doesn't tell you what the real settings are. |
19:55:12 | leftright | well if there was feedback in wps, that would help |
19:56:31 | linuxstb | IMO, auto-adjusting one setting based on changes to another only makes sense if you can see all the settings on-screen together. |
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19:57:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't think the current method needs 4 choices anyway |
19:57:28 | leftright | not a good user experiance without feedback |
19:57:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | At most it needs "on" (which is currently 'current setting' or whatever) and off |
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20:02:41 | linuxstb | Midgey34: You can try www.yousendit.com or www.rapidshare.de |
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20:14:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | If they're the official WPSes properly modified for H300, maybe they should be added to the WPSgallery in the wiki, or put on the patch tracker, or both? |
20:16:12 | Midgey34 | well right now iAmp has a bug that I can't track down |
20:16:51 | Midgey34 | and there were some changes made to use the empty space and I wanted to see how people reacted to the changes |
20:17:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah |
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20:18:37 | buzzbeeboob | hi there could someone please tell me where I can find an updated page of features etc for the h3xx? |
20:19:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Have you read through the relevant bits of the wiki? |
20:20:52 | buzzbeeboob | okay i'm on the wiki page |
20:21:08 | buzzbeeboob | i don't know what link to click! |
20:21:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, what specifically are you looking for. |
20:21:55 | buzzbeeboob | I've installed rockbox for h300 |
20:22:01 | buzzbeeboob | and obviously its work in progress |
20:22:37 | buzzbeeboob | and was wondering if there was a webpage that showed its feature updates |
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20:23:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, there is the iriverport page, and the manual. There's not really a consolidated list of "things that have been added" though there is http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison which does some useful stuff |
20:24:28 | Midgey34 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverPort <−− shows the basics of what needs to still be done on the h300 |
20:24:30 | dropandho | mr. slasheri? |
20:24:45 | buzzbeeboob | thanks very much guys |
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20:48:58 | Slasheri | dropandho: hi |
20:51:07 | dropandho | you always answer on call- im impressed! |
20:51:43 | dropandho | not sure if you noticed the foward movement on the tick info |
20:53:50 | Slasheri | Hmm, haven't noticed yet :) |
20:53:53 | XavierGr | Which is the most efficient way to check if there is a folder and if not create it? I use the following:if(!opendir(ROCKBOX_DIR FMPRESET_DIR)) |
20:53:53 | XavierGr | mkdir(ROCKBOX_DIR FMPRESET_DIR, 0); |
20:54:02 | XavierGr | is it good? |
20:54:43 | Slasheri | XavierGr: yes. If you want really high performance, you could use dircache too |
20:54:53 | XavierGr | eh? |
20:54:58 | Slasheri | But on that situation it isn't necessary |
20:55:07 | XavierGr | ok then I will proceed |
20:55:12 | Slasheri | just use DIRCACHED *dir, opendir_cached and closedir_cached |
20:55:24 | Slasheri | those will work on all platforms, whatever there is cache or not |
20:55:37 | dropandho | slasheri - linus is looking at the hardware...to see if there is some difference |
20:55:48 | dropandho | b/w those that tick...and those that dont |
20:55:49 | Slasheri | dropandho: ah, that sounds good |
20:55:54 | dropandho | there seems to be someone with a difference |
20:55:56 | dropandho | they are in touch |
20:56:06 | Slasheri | yes, there has to be some difference |
20:56:28 | XavierGr | so any quick dirty hardware mod to remove this infamous tick on the remotes? |
20:56:49 | dropandho | i was wondering if you were gonna try to implement some of those great tick-fix updates you were talking about b4? |
20:57:09 | dropandho | xavier - not sure where linus got with this...i will follow up with him when he steps back in |
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20:59:00 | Slasheri | XavierGr: if i have time, i could create a mod next week in lab. But then i couldn't no longer try fixing the problem by software because the problem would be gone then |
20:59:24 | dropandho | well, linus might have found something on the actual unit |
20:59:29 | dropandho | let me show you the thread |
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21:00:23 | dropandho | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1872.msg13408#msg13408 |
21:00:32 | dropandho | check that out...and read down |
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21:01:20 | XavierGr | The other day I opened my player. OMG those little SMD resistors are tiny how the hell am I supposed to solde something on them if needed? |
21:01:47 | dropandho | well, maybe send back to iriver? |
21:01:58 | dropandho | but we should see what linus comes up with! |
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21:03:52 | amiconn | bbl |
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21:04:53 | mirak | hello |
21:05:12 | dropandho | slasheri, xavier- you check out that thread? |
21:05:15 | dropandho | hey |
21:05:18 | mirak | would it be possible to have an inverted bootloader that default boot to oringial firmware ? |
21:05:53 | lostlogicx | mirak: yes. |
21:05:59 | XavierGr | dropandho: I already did. Just waiting for more feedback from Linus then |
21:06:32 | dropandho | likewise! |
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21:10:53 | dropandho | i think we lost slasheri tho! |
21:11:04 | malevolent | wow |
21:11:14 | malevolent | rockbox is crazy, i never knew of it's existence |
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21:14:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hey, I just thought of something. Does rockbox-swcodec support AIFF yet, or is it just listed there as an "it should be easy for us to support this" kinda thing? |
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21:17:14 | linuxstb_ | Paul_The_Nerd: No, AIFF isn't supported at the moment. But as you say, it should be trivial, at least for uncompressed AIFF. |
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21:18:30 | Slasheri | dropandho: sorry, little away. I will check that soon (tomorrow), have to go now. cu |
21:18:41 | XavierGr | bye slash |
21:19:11 | dropandho | no problem at all |
21:19:13 | dropandho | take care |
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21:26:19 | lostlogicx | WAHOOOOO!!!!! |
21:26:24 | lostlogicx | somewhat real profiling results |
21:27:55 | dropandho | whats that? |
21:28:24 | lostlogicx | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2039.0 |
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21:29:46 | dropandho | ahhh- i c |
21:29:53 | dropandho | what is profiling tho?! |
21:30:54 | lostlogicx | use google. |
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21:41:04 | Amar | Woo, i just completed the first version of my first plugin!! |
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21:43:31 | malevolent | i hope it's for the gigabeat :) |
21:43:51 | dropandho | amar- what cha make? |
21:45:58 | webguest01 | are you guys aware of the rockpaint plugin made by some guy for the H300 on misticriver.ws forums? it should be commited. there are some others too :) |
21:47:29 | Amar | dropandho: it is fairly spesalised, it predicts the finigh time for a relay race |
21:47:55 | Amar | *finish |
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21:50:32 | GeorgesBUsh | test |
21:51:09 | dropandho | 12 |
21:51:15 | dropandho | congrats amar! |
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21:52:08 | AnInternetUser | hey does anyone know what is currently being developed for h300? |
21:52:55 | malevolent | no |
21:53:15 | Amar | it was just meant to be a learning process so i could then go on to more advanced things, though i might write up what i did to make it easyer for others to start |
21:53:26 | AnInternetUser | and does rockboy have sound? |
21:53:33 | AnInternetUser | because it says that it loads it |
21:53:35 | AnInternetUser | and then it doesnt play |
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22:36:16 | webguest01 | so what does amars new plugin do exactly? |
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22:37:56 | JdGordon | excatly?? well it takes some user input does some calculations and does some output |
22:38:35 | webguest01 | cool, is it downloadable and working for the h100s yet? |
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22:41:17 | amiconn | hrmpf |
22:42:47 | * | amiconn is still annoyed by this option clutter sound settings commit :( |
22:44:14 | muesli_- | amiconn: it can be deactivated..thus a good compromise? |
22:44:22 | amiconn | Nope |
22:44:33 | amiconn | I mean the option cluttering itself |
22:44:53 | * | Paul_The_Away agrees with amiconn, and returns |
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22:45:44 | amiconn | Perhaps I should just start to make my changes and provide them as a patch |
22:46:21 | amiconn | ...both to have something I can live with, and something to discuss about |
22:46:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes! |
22:46:28 | muesli_- | rebellion! |
22:46:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
22:46:54 | cwncool | who is using rockboy on h3xx? |
22:46:55 | muesli_- | queen mum linus will not be amused ;) |
22:47:04 | amiconn | ?? |
22:47:14 | muesli_- | just kidding.. |
22:47:16 | muesli_- | ;) |
22:47:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think Linus was in favor of it, at one point. |
22:48:16 | * | petur just got better playback from his H3xx sim (w32) |
22:50:42 | Midgey34 | petur: I can't get any |
22:51:15 | petur | you need to enable it first in autoconf.h in the build dir |
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22:52:39 | * | petur managed to submit a patch without logging in :( |
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23:03:26 | Midgey34 | petur: nice suggestion, it works now, thanks |
23:03:48 | Midgey34 | but now I need to leave |
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23:04:46 | amiconn | The mixer volume settings function is wrong (but not needed in this detail level for the current application) |
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23:06:28 | Lear | petur: what about CPU usage? |
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23:09:14 | petur | Lear: I know |
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23:09:57 | petur | There must be something wrong in the structure that causes Sleep(1) to stop playback |
23:10:08 | petur | Needs more investigation |
23:11:08 | petur | I also need to learn more about how RB operates to understand what's going wrong |
23:11:28 | Lear | Sleep(1) is really longer (the remainder of the timeslice), but on the other hand, full CPU shouldn't be needed for working playback... |
23:12:34 | petur | Yes, but with Sleep(1) there's no more smooth playback, that's why I said there is still something wrong in the way everything works together |
23:13:02 | petur | My Athlon64 3500+ uses 100%... |
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23:13:39 | Lear | It is fairly smooth on my computer, which has the exact same CPU... |
23:13:56 | petur | with Sleep(1)? |
23:14:52 | Kyl3 | Been experimenting. I tried to compile the bootloader in the new 1.66 firmware for the H120, and it didn't let me, so I did scramble -add=h120 new.bin new.hex and it worked. Any testers? |
23:15:32 | Kohlriba | whats wrong about fwpatcher? |
23:15:46 | Kyl3 | Not compatible with the 1.66 firmware yet |
23:15:49 | Kohlriba | hm? |
23:15:49 | Lear | Yes. Not perfect, but... |
23:15:55 | Kohlriba | Works for me |
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23:16:27 | Kyl3 | Oh. ok if it works then I dont have to test it brb |
23:17:04 | Lear | Oh well, got to go... |
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23:28:01 | gromit` | bon j'ai écrit au prez de l'a3ie |
23:28:05 | gromit` | ho sorry |
23:28:07 | gromit` | :) |
23:28:10 | gromit` | bad channel :) |
23:30:15 | petur | goodnight... |
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23:41:03 | amiconn | Hmm, the prescale-less-at-high-volume change is in fact trivial; *no* additional code involved. :/ |
23:41:05 | amiconn | Could have been done this way right from the beginning, far more kiss than what we have right now |
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23:45:03 | DrumRBoy320 | i have an idea |
23:45:26 | DrumRBoy320 | make a WPS editor in rockbox |
23:45:57 | DrumRBoy320 | have selections... maybe a drop down selector for differebt catagorys |
23:46:26 | DrumRBoy320 | it would be helpful.... otg wps's |
23:46:51 | * | ashridah hands DrumRBoy320 a keyboard and a copy of rockbox's source code |
23:46:53 | ashridah | have fun |
23:47:12 | DrumRBoy320 | lol |
23:47:34 | DrumRBoy320 | hey, if i learned how to program in c, i would be havin a feild day now |
23:47:49 | DrumRBoy320 | but... i only know basic, and im soon to learn Java |
23:47:53 | DrumRBoy320 | all useless in rockbox |
23:47:55 | DrumRBoy320 | :( |
23:48:32 | XavierGr | experiment with what you already know |
23:48:48 | XavierGr | anyway what you suggest is a plugin, look at the hello world plugin. |
23:48:55 | ashridah | 10 print "basic sucks" |
23:48:59 | ashridah | 20 goto 10 |
23:49:15 | DrumRBoy320 | lol, tell me about it... |
23:49:16 | XavierGr | then learn about the functions that render text and you should be able to start coding |
23:49:31 | ender` | basic has evolved beyond that ... but it's not like it helped |
23:49:47 | DrumRBoy320 | yea, now it would be this: |
23:49:54 | XavierGr | Do you know how to compile DrumRBoy320? |
23:49:59 | DrumRBoy320 | $B = "basic Sucks" |
23:50:05 | DrumRBoy320 | print $B |
23:50:06 | ashridah | DrumRBoy320: I think it gets the setting from the default URL handler for gnomer |
23:50:06 | DrumRBoy320 | :) |
23:50:09 | ashridah | arghl |
23:50:15 | ender` | $b? are you sure you aren't mixing perl and basic? |
23:50:27 | DrumRBoy320 | yea, well, thats basic that im learning |
23:50:28 | ashridah | DrumRBoy320: http://www.iso-9899.info/wiki/Main_Page might help in the learning-C department |
23:50:30 | XavierGr | Well I started from Visual Basic too. |
23:50:40 | DrumRBoy320 | not visual... |
23:50:50 | DrumRBoy320 | we're using 'truebasic' |
23:50:52 | XavierGr | The logic is the same with C. Infacr programming logic is the same for all languages. |
23:51:03 | XavierGr | It is just that Visual Studio programmers are spoiled lol |
23:51:04 | DrumRBoy320 | well, same as in common sense too |
23:51:05 | DrumRBoy320 | :) |
23:51:07 | * | ashridah can thankfully say he never learned much past the original basic/qbasic |
23:51:19 | DrumRBoy320 | i have to to learn java |
23:51:23 | DrumRBoy320 | which i want to do |
23:51:37 | DrumRBoy320 | through school |
23:51:43 | ashridah | doesn't mean you can't buy a book on C and learn it on the side. |
23:51:46 | * | ender` once wrote an image editor with windows-like gui in qbasic :) |
23:51:54 | DrumRBoy320 | true, i dont have time :( |
23:52:35 | ashridah | ender`: haha. my qasic escapades were primarily in the 'lets modify that gorillas game that comes with msdos so that the bananas wipe out half the screen' :) |
23:52:38 | * | ender` never learned c, but can usually understand what the code does and even fix (or "fix") a thing or two |
23:52:42 | ashridah | area |
23:53:02 | ender` | hehe, gorillas and nibbles ... that brings back good memories |
23:53:37 | ender` | my basic programming started with QB4.0 and a bunch of commodore and spectrum books (with examples that would never work) |
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