#rockbox 2005-12-07

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#rockbox log for 2005-12-07

00:00:54	amiconn	Bagder/ LinusN: What do you think about [IDC]Dragon's idea to limit the volume range to -99..+12 dB on archos recorders and ondios, to avoid needing 4 chars?
00:01:31	Bagder	I think its a good idea
00:01:46	Bagder	less than -99 can hardly be audible, can it?
00:02:08	amiconn	Not really...
00:02:49	amiconn	Bagder: Do you use your iriver exclusively?
00:03:01	Bagder	mostly at least
00:03:20	amiconn	I use whatever I think is most useful
00:03:57	amiconn	Currently this is most often the recorder v1, but for travelling without my car I prefer the Ondio FM because of its size
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00:07:17	_FireFly_	Lost-ash: i have also no problems on the device (iriver h120)
00:07:37	coob	anyone working on the ipod alive? linuxstb?
00:08:30	markun	hi coob, how's the ipod video support going?
00:08:42	_FireFly_	linuxstb: ?? have you got the patch or should i put in on tracker ??
00:08:51	amiconn	markun: The player virtual keyboad doesn't work at all with unicode...
00:09:36	markun	I'll try to fix it
00:09:58	linuxstb	_FireFly_: I'm just testing it now.
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00:09:59	amiconn	The picker line is completely empty
00:10:06	_FireFly_	linuxstb: ok
00:10:31	linuxstb	coob: Hello.
00:13:47	coob	markun: slow. it uses a broadcom co-proc/soc
00:14:06	coob	that uses an instruction set we don't know much about
00:14:27	markun	amiconn: renaming in the player sim looks normal I think
00:14:39	coob	lcd is currently slow++
00:15:02	coob	linuxstb: have you seen our upcoming bootloader?
00:15:26	linuxstb	coob: I've read about it, but haven't tried it. How is it coming along?
00:16:03	coob	nicely, loads from either the firmware partition, ext2 or fat, hfs being worked on
00:16:12	coob	selection menus etc
00:16:23	coob	it's in our svn repo if you want to play with it
00:17:11	coob	https://opensvn.csie.org/traccgi/courtc
00:19:18	linuxstb	I read that it has an interactive boot menu. Is it possible to disable that and make it immediately load a firmware unless a button is pressed?
00:20:06	amiconn	markun: Hmm, strange. win32 player sim seems to work, but target does not :(
00:20:13	coob	anything's possible :)
00:20:35	coob	i've not used it yet myself, currently learning the intricacies of hfs so i can test it out on my pod
00:22:41	amiconn	Bagder: Is it intended behaviour that 'make clean' in a build dir also cleans the tools?
00:22:49	Bagder	yes
00:22:56	amiconn	hmm
00:23:10	Bagder	how would it differentiate it?
00:23:33	amiconn	make allclean, or somesuch
00:24:00	amiconn	It's just that it seems a waste of time to me, especially on cygwin
00:24:12	linuxstb	_FireFly_: I have to admit I don't understand the new gui code at all, but your patch seems to work.
00:24:16	coob	linuxstb: currently the config's hard coded anyway
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00:27:17	Bagder	amiconn: isn't make clean a waste to start with?
00:27:28	amiconn	Well, perhaps
00:27:43	amiconn	It avoids the need to reconfigure, which is also slow on cygwin
00:28:03	_FireFly_	amiconn: not really
00:28:15	amiconn	...and for the simulator, rm -r * would also remove the archos/ dir and sector3D.bin, which I want to avoid
00:28:21	_FireFly_	becasue if the configure script gets modified then you need an reconfigure
00:30:30	_FireFly_	time for bed, good night erverybody
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00:32:24	amiconn	Bagder: It's possible to allow -100 dB minimum, since the status bar will display the mute symbol for the lowest value
00:32:25	Kyl3	Unicode support means I can use that backwards R for Korn?
00:32:43	Bagder	ah
00:33:15	markun	Kyl3: If it's somewhere in the unicode range and the font has a glyph for it..
00:33:33	Kyl3	ahh ok
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00:38:06	amar	thanks for the help, i nearly have my plugin doing what i want
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00:40:07	markun	Kyl3: I just tried KoRn with reversed R and it works with unifont and 5x7 (probably all the other ?x? fonts as well)
00:41:49	markun	Kyl3: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Korn
00:48:40	amiconn	markun: I know what's going on with the player vkeyboard
00:49:02	amiconn	Look at apps/player/keyboard.c, line 144
00:49:29	amiconn	You don an iso_decode on the line[] array, casting to an unsigned char *
00:49:43	amiconn	However, line[] is an unsigned short array
00:50:02	markun	hm, not good
00:50:05	amiconn	It works on the sim because the sim is little endian, meaning the low byte comes first
00:50:14	amiconn	But the target is big endian...
00:51:07	amiconn	It seems like a mistake that lines[] is a short array
00:51:27	amiconn	It only ever holds latin1, nothing else
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00:52:22	amiconn	It even was me who overlooked this when remaking the player vkeyboard...
00:53:41	markun	amiconn: do you want to fix it?
00:54:32	*	amiconn is already working on it
00:55:08	amiconn	Hmm.
00:55:25	amiconn	How do I run an unsigned char up to 0xff in a for() loop?
00:56:02	amiconn	just ignore the qn
00:56:10	dwihno	how did you solve it? :)
00:56:22	amiconn	I just use an unsigned it
00:56:25	amiconn	int
00:57:35	dwihno	that's cheating :)
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01:01:34	amiconn	_much_ better this way :)
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01:22:19	dwihno	Type casting sometimes drive me nuts. I just spent an hour hunting a bug I should've noticed in a flash
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01:32:11	*	amiconn likes bugfixes which even save RAM (or other resources)
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02:03:50	ashridah	damnit. the unit still hangs when i select a WPS
02:04:40	*	ashridah downloads yet another bleeding edge
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02:07:05	ashridah	selecting a theme works okay.
02:07:16	ashridah	just selecting an individual WPS fails
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02:09:09	lostlogic	so the question I have is how does one know if a bootloader they build but that has a different md5 than the one that Linus releases will work?
02:09:35	ashridah	it's really not a good idea to use a bootloader you've built from source
02:09:47	lostlogic	I know
02:09:58	lostlogic	I'm not very smart.
02:10:25	ashridah	the simple answer is, you don't know, which is why it's best left to the guy who has a way to recover his unit :)
02:11:09	lostlogic	nod I guess the question is: is there a particular reason that building the bootloader from source would break when building the rest of rockbox from source works.
02:12:17	ashridah	just because rockbox builds doesn't mean it'll run
02:12:29	lostlogic	I know, but I build rockbox and run it from source all the time
02:12:46	ashridah	but really, there's no point in rebuilding the bootloader, since 99% of changes don't affect it
02:12:54	ashridah	but the 1% may brick the unit
02:13:30	ashridah	but they share disk drivers and lcd drivers and whatnot. minor changes in those might not get noticed at the bootloader
02:13:42	lostlogic	yes yes, I suppose I won't try it until I get a better understanding of the code in it. I have taken several classes in m68k assembly and hardware, so I'm not really afraid of it
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02:21:06	ashridah	so, anyway, loading a wps from a freshly resetted unit hangs the device. loading a theme works, and after which, loading a wps seems to work
02:21:10	ashridah	weird
02:21:46	lostlogic	quite.
02:22:11	Cassandra	I blame Cthulhu.
02:22:38	ashridah	i take that back
02:22:46	ashridah	loading a theme doesn't stop it from hanging
02:23:59	Cassandra	I still blame Cthulhu.
02:24:18	Cassandra	Have you reset the settings and done a clean re-install?
02:24:39	ashridah	yes
02:24:53	ashridah	'< ashridah> so, anyway, loading a wps from a freshly resetted unit '
02:25:09	ashridah	and yeah, i nuked .rockbox and got the most recent bleeding edge
02:25:18	Cassandra	Have you sacrificed your young to the Great and Almighty Master who waits beneath the seas?
02:25:39	ashridah	well, since i don't have and i'm not aiming to have children, that shouldn't be a problem.
02:25:58	Cassandra	Probably why it's not working. Try someone else's young.
02:26:05	ashridah	gladly.
02:26:24	ashridah	part of the benefits of being in a holiday park
02:26:43	ashridah	plenty of noisy candidates
02:27:03	lostlogic	mutters something about how the hell he's going to make profiling not get wrong times when it hits recursion
02:27:12	ashridah	heh
02:27:19	Cassandra	(I don't think the new config loading patch has gone in yet, so it can't be that.)
02:27:28	Cassandra	(Wonder if it's unicode.)
02:27:37	ashridah	maybe. i haven't updated in a few days
02:27:42	ashridah	so i'm not sure when the bug hit
02:28:23	Cassandra	If you wanted to find out exactly what was causing it, you could run it in a debugger under the sim.
02:28:53	ashridah	Cassandra: yeah, except i'm about 850k's away from my usual workstation :)
02:29:17	Cassandra	Can't help you with that, I'm afraid.
02:31:39	ashridah	if i was at home, i'd just start going backwards in cvstill the problem cropped up
02:31:53	ashridah	s/cropped/ nolonger cropped/
02:32:00	ashridah	anyway, it's lunchtime.
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02:38:01	dwihno	Do you people think reading 32k off a flash cart takes much longer time than 8kbytes?
02:40:45	dwihno	Or perhaps the software just should group the data by blocks and look for the end marker.
02:41:03	dwihno	Yeah, that sounds better.
02:41:11	dwihno	Thanks for the help :D
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03:01:28	linuxstb	Which of the FAT32 rules does a directory name called "R.E.M." break?
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03:03:31	amiconn	linuxstb: The dot at the end
03:08:35	amiconn	Not sure whether this is a strict rule for vfat, but it's impossible to create such dirs/files in windows
03:10:01	linuxstb	My iBook renamed the directory to R.E.M_ and Rockbox won't let me rename it.
03:10:13	linuxstb	(when I copied from the iBook to my H140)
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03:12:15	linuxstb	Linux enforces the same rule (it drops the last dot)
03:12:28	DreamTactix291	hmm
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03:15:34	Midgey34	does anyone have any suggestions on the colors of each the objects for Sokoban on the h300?
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03:16:27	Midgey34	right now, the walls are dark green, the character is black, the pushable blocks are blue and the targets are red. Once a block is on the target it turns brown
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03:17:41	Paul_The_Nerd	That actually sounds pretty good to me, depending on the shades.
03:18:08	Midgey34	well right now, they look a little funny, its hard to make them look nice
03:18:14	Paul_The_Nerd	Aaah
03:18:34	Midgey34	it might just be the sim, they look slightly different on target
03:19:47	Paul_The_Nerd	Ah well, I only have an H120 anyway. Heh
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03:37:51	webguest59	linuxstb: about fat and dots: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=782248&group_id=44306&atid=439118
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03:59:47	Midgey34	what does everyone think of this −−> http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7430/screendump25lh.png ?
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04:09:09	Paul_The_Nerd	Do the boxes look bad solid?
04:11:35	Midgey34	that's the opinion I'm trying to gather, I think they look fine, but the yellow ones may need borders
04:17:41	Paul_The_Nerd	You could even do the crates as like... I dunno, I often see them as like, light colored boxes with four dark points, or an X of darker color in them. [::] or [X]
04:18:45	Midgey34	alright
04:20:31	Paul_The_Nerd	Just offering ideas, y'know. :)
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04:25:35	elinenbe	does anyone here have an h300 with rockbox?
04:25:41	Midgey34	I do
04:25:58	elinenbe	could you step me through the settings screens to reset settings to default?
04:26:00	elinenbe	please...
04:26:10	elinenbe	I chose the japanese font with a non-unicode font!
04:26:11	elinenbe	ug!
04:26:33	elinenbe	first A-B to get to settings.
04:26:50	elinenbe	then the manage settings option, but I can't see any of them.
04:28:16	Midgey34	press a-b, go down 4, hit right, go down 3, hit right
04:28:24	Midgey34	that should do it
04:29:19	elinenbe	thanks! got it!
04:29:33	Midgey34	yep no problem
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05:11:10	lostlogic	ahhh, rockbox USB is so much better than iRiver USB.
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06:50:36	grantashman	Hey guys, I thought that the LCD turned off with the backlight as of V3/
06:51:22	grantashman	Anyone here?
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06:58:54	Jungti1234	�Ϫ�
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07:11:58	Noel_sad_song	Hi ppl (if you keep adding features you're gonna drive me nuts) I could see last time, before i downloaded the last build that the remote would show me a lil disk when the hdd was spinnig... what is the code I should use on the rwps for it to show?
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07:37:11	Bger	morning :)
07:47:31	Jungti1234	morning
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08:17:14	Jungti1234	Doesn't rockbox support lyrics?
08:19:06	Lost-ash	not yet, afaik.
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08:19:18	ashridah	not sure it's really been considered yet
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08:28:06	preglow	oh lord, give me a wireless mouse that doesn't suck ass
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08:57:25	Jungti1234	Break!!
08:59:49	Bagder	coffee break!
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09:03:08	LinusN	lostlogic: why do you build your own bootloader?
09:05:41	Jungti1234	wow
09:05:41	Jungti1234	http://manian.dreamwiz.com/board/view.asp?bid=A010101&no=36554
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09:06:52	Jungti1234	This player supports Wi-Fi.
09:07:08	Jungti1234	and HDD Player
09:07:08	LinusN	cool
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09:08:04	preglow	excessively ugly, though
09:10:29	Jungti1234	hahahahaha
09:10:29	Jungti1234	http://img.manian.dreamwiz.com/A060101/2005/12/07/50513_1.jpg
09:10:32	Bagder	I bet wifi eats battery nice and fast
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09:11:10	Jungti1234	ah.
09:11:11	DreamTactix291	lol
09:11:19	DreamTactix291	that Wi-Fi player is pretty ugly btw
09:11:33	DreamTactix291	i've seen worse
09:11:42	DreamTactix291	but it's pretty ugly nonetheless
09:12:47	Jungti1234	Microsoft pays penalty in the South Korea.
09:13:35	Bagder	http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=28082
09:13:43	Bagder	that's a nicer player ;-)
09:14:16	Jungti1234	I cann't see.
09:14:32	Jungti1234	Ah, look now.
09:14:40	Jungti1234	hahaha
09:14:48	preglow	hahaha
09:14:56	preglow	it's almost identical!
09:15:00	Bagder	hehe
09:15:11	DreamTactix291	haha
09:15:45	Jungti1234	http://img.manian.dreamwiz.com/A060201/2005/06/29/109993_1.jpg
09:15:57	Jungti1234	This is iPod really.
09:16:54	Jungti1234	http://manian.dreamwiz.com/board/view.asp?bid=A010101&no=36555
09:17:09	Jungti1234	Very thin battery.
09:20:07	markun	morning Jungti1234, can you send me an updated version of the korean translation so I can commit?
09:20:23	Jungti1234	hi
09:20:31	Jungti1234	Is working now.
09:23:12	preglow	coffeecoffeecoffeecoffee
09:23:59	Jungti1234	If drink much coffee, isn't good in body.
09:24:40	preglow	no shit
09:24:45	preglow	that's why i try not to drink too much, heh
09:25:04	Bagder	nah, no more than 10-12 cups a day ;-P
09:25:08	preglow	haha
09:25:19	preglow	i've seen too many coffee addicts in my life
09:25:31	LinusN	Bagder: and 5-6 at night
09:26:02	preglow	i met a guy who'd just start shaking if he didn't get his coffee
09:27:56	Jungti1234	Let's sleep early.
09:28:55	Bagder	http://www.delldjsite.com/ <= Dell's newcomer DAP with color LCD and 30GB
09:30:00	LinusN	the dancepuffduo theme is just hilarious
09:30:40	preglow	i take it rockbox has no general button accelaration scheme i can just plug in to the playback speed screen?
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09:32:24	Lynx_	what's xm radio?
09:32:36	LinusN	the button repeat already accelerates, but only to a certain speed
09:34:02	preglow	yeah, not enough by far
09:34:19	preglow	damn, i need to get this ipod rockbox going so i can do some djing
09:34:22	preglow	that'd frigging rock
09:38:34	amiconn	Perhaps the pitch screen should just increase/decrease by a larger amount (0.5% ?) with button repeat, and by 0.1% with single button events
09:39:13	LinusN	good idea, try it
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09:46:33	Moos	Morning
09:47:13	Jungti1234	morning
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09:47:49	markun	hi Moos :)
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09:50:56	Bger	LinusN: any plans about a new bootloader for h300 ?
09:51:17	LinusN	yes, some day
09:51:42	perplexity	10 print $topic ; 20 goto 10
09:51:53	Bagder	:-)
09:52:14	preglow	perplexity: so, how's tremor work going?
09:53:02	perplexity	Been on hold.. domestic duties I'm afraid.. but it is working with a standard ifft now.. so at least I can play with different fft algorithms..
09:53:34	ModernExecutive	Hi. I don't mean to be impudent, but I was curious as to how things stand with integrating the h300 bootloader on the us firmware.
09:53:35	preglow	you got a patch lying around?
09:53:37	Bger	i mean with USB mode...
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09:53:52	preglow	perplexity: you're using kiss fft, yeah?
09:54:04	saa[b_r]ider	hello everyone..
09:54:10	perplexity	I am looking into extending qemu to have a h300 target at the moment.. It's such an easily extensible architecture for a simulator that writing hw plugins for it is very easy..
09:54:13	*	Bagder has a Saab
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09:54:33	markun	hi saa[b_r]ider ;)
09:54:36	saa[b_r]ider	awesome :D
09:54:44	preglow	Bagder: don't all swedes? ;)
09:54:48	perplexity	Actually, at the moment preglow, I'm using the fft in libfaad.. but I have been looking at others and am busy learning the math to try and make it easier to understand..
09:54:55	Bagder	preglow: only half, the rest have Volvos
09:55:02	saa[b_r]ider	hello markun
09:55:14	perplexity	Volvos rock!
09:55:32	*	Cassandra has a bicycle. :)
09:55:35	preglow	the one volvo i have driven sure rocks
09:55:48	preglow	the old ones that were built like a car/tank hybrid
09:55:59	perplexity	I had 5 Volvos before I relocated countries.. now I'm destined to drive Japanese :(
09:56:40	preglow	Cassandra: yeah, that's what i've got currently too
09:56:53	preglow	though it's pretty much unusable with the amount of ice on the roads
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09:57:38	Membrillo	has anyone here got any experience with the inet control in visual basic?
09:57:52	*	preglow shudders
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09:58:05	Bagder	http://curl.haxx.se/libcurl/vb/ ;-)
09:58:18	*	perplexity likes the h300 USB mode :)
09:58:21	LinusN	ModernExecutive: nobody dares to try a patched 1.04 firmware in fear of losing drm
09:58:38	*	LinusN has to go
09:58:54	perplexity	Make sure you wash your hands LinusN :)
09:59:26	markun	how nice.. red builds :(
09:59:34	Bagder	woo
09:59:49	markun	I'm an idiot
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10:00:07	Bagder	hey, then we can make a team! ;-)
10:00:39	Bger	hahaha
10:01:01	preglow	i'm a fool
10:01:06	*	Bger joins the team and proposes himself as leader
10:01:09	preglow	i'm pretty certain i fit in with the rockbox scheme somewhere
10:04:28	Cassandra	Somewhere under the category of "whipping boy" or something.
10:08:39	Bagder	time to work
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10:11:05	Jungti1234	Bagder.. You are overstrict.
10:11:25	Bagder	my boss is hard and ruthless
10:11:31	Bagder	:-P
10:11:33	_FireFly_	markun ?
10:11:35	preglow	i was thinking more along the lines of something with "fool", "idiot" or "twit" in the title
10:11:38	Jungti1234	:P
10:12:05	_FireFly_	you have something forgotten to change also in bookmark.c :)
10:12:16	_FireFly_	the line struct text_message message={(char )lines, 3}; must be struct text_message message={(char )lines, 1};
10:12:37	_FireFly_	because the lines-string array as now only one line and not 3
10:13:04	markun	can anyone give _FireFly_ commit rights?
10:13:29	markun	Bagder?
10:15:07	perplexity	I note the wiki ( http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/QuickMenu ) says there is a bug on the h3x0 not being able to enter the quick menu from the WPS using hold A-B. Is there another way to get to the quick menu ?
10:15:15	markun	_FireFly_: well, I fixed it, thanks
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10:16:12	_FireFly_	markun np
10:18:34	Cassandra	Nope.
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10:18:50	Cassandra	It's not really a bug. It only works on the H1xx by accident.
10:19:27	Cassandra	It has to do with the order in which buttons are detected by the hardware.
10:19:38	Cassandra	amiconn can explain way better than I can.
10:20:08	perplexity	So the quick menu on the h300 is currently inaccessible ? (I did get it working occassionally on my h300, but I had no idea at the time how I did it or what it was)
10:20:38	perplexity	Ok, Ta.. I might have a look at the code and see if I can figure out some way of making it happen..
10:21:11	Jungti1234	What is Replaygain?
10:21:16	Cassandra	I should definitely talk to amiconn then.
10:21:38	Cassandra	A way of making the volume of songs consistent across different tracks.
10:25:24	DreamTactix291	or albums
10:26:04	Membrillo	or just making them as loud as they can before losing quality
10:27:05	DreamTactix291	well that's possible too
10:27:09	DreamTactix291	but wasn't the original intent
10:27:46	Membrillo	its what i use it for :) 100% isnt enough for me
10:28:04	DreamTactix291	lol more power to you
10:28:38	DreamTactix291	i use the tag based replaygain system via foobar2000's scanner
10:28:40	DreamTactix291	and have for a long time
10:28:49	DreamTactix291	i quiet my stuff down
10:28:55	preglow	the replaygain scanner doesn't normalise to peak volume by default
10:29:03	DreamTactix291	nope
10:29:19	preglow	and even if it did, that would also usually mean a negative gain
10:29:31	DreamTactix291	yeah
10:29:39	DreamTactix291	with the way a lot of CDs are mastered now :\|
10:29:59	preglow	well, yeah, and after encoding, the peak usually ends up higher
10:30:01	preglow	above 100%
10:30:03	DreamTactix291	yep
10:30:10	DreamTactix291	that's why replaygain is great for lossy encoding
10:30:21	DreamTactix291	of course lossless encoding can't go over 100%
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10:30:30	preglow	well, it's good for lossles as well
10:30:34	DreamTactix291	but i still prefer the decreased gain on playback with lossless
10:30:38	preglow	but at least you don't have the peak level above 100% there
10:30:49	preglow	sure, i do as well, as long as i'm not using headphones
10:30:50	DreamTactix291	yeah
10:31:00	DreamTactix291	well
10:31:13	DreamTactix291	i still find replaygained files are still very loud
10:31:21	DreamTactix291	i play them back on my H140 at 70-75
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10:33:20	DreamTactix291	the originally proposed replaygain target was 6dB lower than the current one
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10:38:07	Membrillo	does anyone know how to implement a progress bar for downloading a file in VB?
10:39:00	Zagor	and you are asking VB questions in #rockbox because...?
10:39:23	Membrillo	i thought someone might know, and i have nowhere else to ask
10:39:36	Membrillo	no other conversation was happening
10:40:22	markun	I know nothing of VB, sorry
10:40:33	Membrillo	ok
10:41:23	Membrillo	im writing a program that downloads either the daily build or bleeding edge build to my iriver, unzips it (overwriting the old version) and deletes the zip file from the click of a button.
10:42:09	Membrillo	and i thought a progress bar on the download stage would be cool, but i dont think i can work it
10:42:46	Bagder	http://www.google.se/search?q=visual+basic+progress+bar&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial
10:42:56	Bagder	shows looooooots of pages about it
10:43:26	Bagder	(sorry for the .se version, but I just did a quick copy and paste)
10:44:49	Membrillo	no its not the progress bar, ive got one of those, but its implementing it for downloads which is tricky
10:47:11	perplexity	/mnt/sda1 && wget http://www.rockbox.org/`wget -O - http://www.rockbox.org/download \| grep "/daily/h300/rockbox-h300-" \| cut -f6 -d'"'` -O /tmp/daily.zip && cd /mnt/sda1 && unzip -oq /tmp/daily.zip && cd .. && umount sda1
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10:47:39	perplexity	ugly, but it will automagically install the latest and greatest on your player :) And you get progress bars
10:48:15	Membrillo	what the hell is that code for?
10:48:25	linuxstb	It's a Unix shell script
10:48:30	Membrillo	rightio
10:48:32	linuxstb	You can run it with Cygwin.
10:48:40	Membrillo	i dont have cygwin
10:48:44	perplexity	bash and wget make an awesome combo :)
10:48:51	Membrillo	this is an easy to use EXE sitting on my root
10:49:01	perplexity	but only if you have the VB runtime installed
10:49:34	Membrillo	people are more likely to have .net than a Unix client or cygwin...
10:50:44	perplexity	I guess the difference is, it took me 30 seconds to whip up and test my version :) and I know it will work on almost any linux/win-cygwin installation
10:51:09	Bagder	except that it assumes a mount point
10:51:16	Jungti1234	hey markun~ Are you seeing?
10:51:24	Bagder	that isn't universal
10:51:51	Membrillo	mines user friendly though :P and has options
10:51:52	perplexity	Yes it does Bagder... but I'm sure the windows version is going to assume (or require selecting) a drive letter
10:52:06	perplexity	Mine has options too :p) just modify the line..
10:52:11	Bagder	perplexity: yes, I don't have a problem with it I was jut pointing it out
10:52:17	preglow	btw
10:52:21	Membrillo	if its placed on your root, it automatically detects where to put it
10:52:26	Bagder	Membrillo: in my view, perplexity's version is more user friendly
10:52:31	perplexity	Anyway, its a moot point for me as I compile and install locally from CVS anyway. I just wanted to point out the power of the command line
10:52:38	preglow	will rockbox reserve space for the voice file if it sees it, without regard to whether the option is switched on or no?
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11:19:16	perplexity	Ahh.. can access the Quick screen by pressing Navi once to get to the file browser, then holding A-B to get to the quick screen
11:32:47	perplexity	Err.. I made a very simple alteration to apps/gwps.c to enable the quick screen on the H300 and it works perfectly.. have I done something totaly naive ?
11:32:55	perplexity	-#if (CONFIG_KEYPAD == RECORDER_PAD) \|\| (CONFIG_KEYPAD == IRIVER_H100_PAD)
11:32:55	perplexity	+#if (CONFIG_KEYPAD == RECORDER_PAD) \|\| (CONFIG_KEYPAD == IRIVER_H100_PAD) \|\| (CONFIG_KEYPAD == IRIVER_H300_PAD)
11:34:20	Kohlrabi	:)
11:34:32	HCl	o-o
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11:36:05	markun	Hi HCl!
11:36:22	linuxstb	perplexity: No, that seems the right fix.
11:36:47	linuxstb	As far as I know, the key mappings for the H300 and H100 are identical
11:36:59	perplexity	They are, I cheked that prior to enabling it
11:37:06	perplexity	http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1375178&group_id=44306&atid=439120
11:37:19	perplexity	Took me longer to generate and upload the patch than it did to edit the file :)
11:38:15	linuxstb	Yep, a patch is probably overkill.
11:38:17	preglow	lunch time!
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11:38:27	perplexity	grrrr. still waiting for mine to arrive
11:42:27	linuxstb	perplexity: I don't think you uploaded the patch file correctly - I can't see a download link on that page.
11:42:35	linuxstb	But don't worry about it - I'm about to commit that fix.
11:42:49	linuxstb	Committed.
11:42:58	perplexity	probably not.. it also appears I was nt logged in when I created the patch in any case.. thanks :)
11:44:08	perplexity	It's soooo much easier to try out new changes now USB mode is working.. Almost makes on-the-target debugging doable
11:44:22	Bger	hm, could someone with cvs access add the following line to firmware/export/config-h300.h :
11:44:27	Bger	CONFIG_LED LED_VIRTUAL
11:44:43	Bger	erm, #define CONFIG_LED LED_VIRTUAL
11:45:26	*	amiconn wonders about the bookmark.c change
11:46:05	amiconn	markun: Does it mean that the separate confirmation strings are no longer needed?
11:46:24	amiconn	If so, the #ifdef could go away, and the lang strings could be deprecated
11:47:03	markun	It was a suggestion by FireFly because of the new gui code. I didn't take a good look at the code.
11:49:12	amiconn	Bagder: You deleted a forum message which looked like gibberish. It didn't look like gibberish here, it was korean.
11:49:23	markun	yes, it was Jungti1234
11:49:32	_FireFly_	amiconn the two lang string are needed. the problem was that these two string are already displayed in the gui_yesno_draw fn yesno.c:~24
11:49:36	Bagder	I called it gibberish on purpose
11:49:47	Bagder	and it didn't appear as korean to me
11:49:48	Jungti1234	Anyone called me..
11:50:05	amiconn	_FireFly_: Ah, okay
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11:50:21	Bagder	most likely because I don't have any korean fonts
11:50:30	Bagder	or something
11:50:35	Jungti1234	hmm..
11:50:36	amiconn	Still, if gui_yesno adds them, the same simplification can be applied to the player build, and the #ifdef can go away
11:52:35	amiconn	Bagder: Hmm. I'm using Firefox 1.07 on german windows, and it clearly appeared as korean here (though I don't understand korean at all). My interpretation was that Jungti1234 posted in korean on purpose, judging from the thread topic...
11:53:12	Jungti1234	yes, I scared him.
11:53:13	Bagder	amiconn: the fonts are bundled with firefox, yes I know it was on purpose
11:53:17	Bagder	are not
11:53:38	Bagder	I still don't like seeing the forum getting more and more non-english posts
11:53:49	Bagder	its enough with the korean and russian already used
11:54:33	Bagder	and on my screen it was total gibberish
11:54:39	_FireFly_	amiconn do you mean in bookmark.c ??
11:55:04	Bagder	lunch!
11:55:42	amiconn	_FireFly_: Yes
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11:56:01	Jungti1234	I was going to scare him only..
11:56:17	_FireFly_	amiconn then we can't simplified because the player has an additional string str(LANG_RESUME_CONFIRM_PLAYER)
11:56:46	Jungti1234	Didn't try to look to other people.
11:57:04	LinusN	markun: u there?
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11:58:49	amiconn	_FireFly_: Well, I need to check this, but it seems to me that this second string doesn't contain anything special. Afaiu, bookmark.c had its own confirm/cancel strings before gui_yesno was introduced, but now uses gui_yesno which uses standard strings
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11:59:24	perplexity	I love it that I can stop my player mid-song, boot the original iriver fw and watch some southpark, then boot back into rockbox for an instant resume where I left off.. that is soo cool for travelling
11:59:31	markun	LinusN: yes
11:59:58	_FireFly_	amiconn if this string is depricated then is the #ifdef also depricated :)
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12:00:02	LinusN	i just checked the lcd_getstringsize change you made in mpeg.c
12:00:28	LinusN	it's funny that those have been around for so long without us noticing :-)
12:00:35	amiconn	They didn't
12:00:49	amiconn	There were introduced with unicode
12:00:55	LinusN	really
12:00:56	LinusN	?
12:01:03	amiconn	They even make sense
12:01:05	markun	If you search for getstringsize there are a lot of strange things.
12:01:25	markun	LinusN: It's used to precache the glyphs. I should have added a comment.
12:01:27	LinusN	why do they make sense?
12:01:32	amiconn	They are just for caching the needed glpyhs for the tags, to avoid intermediate spinups
12:01:33	LinusN	aha
12:01:44	LinusN	that surely needs a comment
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12:02:02	amiconn	markun: Indeed. Iirc, this comment exists in the swcodec playback engine
12:02:08	markun	yes
12:02:32	perplexity	Damn.. 1st rockbox lockup.. but not reproducible.. player paused, backlight off, plugged in USB and it froze solid..
12:02:51	markun	Will the code of mpeg.c be merged with the other tag related code in apps?
12:04:08	LinusN	markun: one day, yes
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12:08:52	Slasheri	Hmm, it seems the unicode patch doesn't work with old settings -> rockbox hangs on boot
12:09:37	Slasheri	Maybe i will add to the code that pressing record button during bootup erases settings
12:12:47	*	amiconn would prefer to see more work from Flasheri ;)
12:14:19	Slasheri	hehe :)
12:14:36	Slasheri	what kind of work do you expect to see? ;)
12:15:01	Slasheri	but i think that record button thing is simple and useful to do
12:15:05	Slasheri	i will add it
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12:20:50	amiconn	Slasheri: I'd like to see working firmware_flash.rock and rockbox_flash.rock
12:21:02	amiconn	(for iriver)
12:21:12	Slasheri	amiconn: Ah, that will happen soon
12:21:38	Slasheri	in fact i am working with iriver_flash.rock currently because it's so different from the firmware_flash.rock
12:21:41	amiconn	Regarding the record button - there was much discussion about a 'reset settings' button in the past
12:22:06	Slasheri	amiconn: Hmm.. i just committed the reset button thing.. better to have than nothing =)
12:22:20	amiconn	...but I don't think this will be necessary anymore when switching to .cfg files for standard setting
12:22:22	amiconn	+s
12:22:45	Slasheri	yep, after that it should not be necessary anymore (hopefully)
12:22:49	XavierGr	oh shit, my ihp's headphone output is dying.
12:23:01	amiconn	The .cfg loader should set the respective setting to default if the value in the .cfg file is out of the allowed range
12:23:01	Slasheri	but now it's pretty mandatory if booting fails due to settings
12:23:21	XavierGr	I will have to execute a surgery but I am to afraid to do this.
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12:24:00	amiconn	Slasheri: Settings can make booting fail on irver? If so, this is rather odd behaviour that should be fixed, imho
12:24:16	Membrillo	who wants to try out my H3xx Rockbox downloader?
12:24:19	Membrillo	http://jupiter.walagata.com/w/membrillo/Rockbox_Downloader.zip
12:24:32	Membrillo	put it on your root
12:24:38	Slasheri	amiconn: yes, when i just updated to the most recent cvs and loaded old settings, iriver would no longer boot
12:24:49	XavierGr	amiconn: this is already on the todo list before the release on iriver. But it is not easy to repoduce.
12:24:51	Slasheri	so i had to add that record button thing i could reset my settings
12:25:02	XavierGr	downloader?
12:25:19	Membrillo	it downloads rb, unzips it and deletes the .zip
12:25:26	XavierGr	Membrillo: It downloads and installs rockbox automatically?
12:25:36	Membrillo	on one click
12:25:38	Membrillo	not scheduled
12:26:06	Membrillo	just finished it
12:26:08	Membrillo	it should work
12:27:22	Membrillo	feedback if your trying it?
12:28:44	XavierGr	did you made it with VB?
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12:28:50	Membrillo	yeah
12:29:19	XavierGr	those fucking activeX controlls are getting on my nerves.
12:29:28	XavierGr	I had too include them too. Overkill.
12:29:41	Membrillo	what do you mean?
12:30:00	XavierGr	Membrillo: mcinet.ocx is missing.
12:30:08	XavierGr	I can't run it.
12:30:08	Membrillo	:S
12:30:22	Membrillo	hmmm
12:30:33	Membrillo	inet must be bundled inside VB and thats why i can run it
12:30:47	XavierGr	you must include the ocx file in the package and install it in the right folder.
12:31:04	Membrillo	i thought it would just bundle in the exe
12:31:22	XavierGr	that's why (now that I know a little C) I can see why VB is considered a weak language.
12:31:37	Membrillo	well, basic VB is all i know :P
12:32:00	perplexity	VB is a toy.. an advanced toy, but a toy none-the less.. Check out Delphi if you want easy, real OO RAD development
12:32:07	XavierGr	Membrillo: You can make a setup script for your ap inside of VB
12:32:31	Membrillo	really? i dont really know much about VB. Ive only done one term of it at high school
12:32:38	XavierGr	that will install in the PC the ocx files needed by the app.
12:32:44	Membrillo	cool
12:32:48	Membrillo	how would i do that?
12:33:20	XavierGr	anyway it is just one file
12:33:36	XavierGr	incude it in the zip and write in the readm.txt were the user should put it.
12:33:54	XavierGr	OR
12:34:09	XavierGr	inlcude in your programm an error sniffing routine.
12:34:27	XavierGr	if the file is missing your program should copy it in that ffolder.
12:35:00	Membrillo	ok
12:35:02	Membrillo	will do
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12:36:51	Membrillo	thats a good idea
12:37:03	Membrillo	C:\windows\system32\msinet.ocx
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12:46:35	ep0ch\|	regarding clearing the settings on startup, i would prefer a 2 finger combination to clear rather than just one
12:46:46	preglow	kind of agree there
12:47:18	ep0ch\|	or is there a prompt when the settings get cleared?
12:47:45	Zak1392	hey guys
12:48:22	Membrillo	there we go, fixed it up.
12:48:23	Membrillo	http://jupiter.walagata.com/w/membrillo/Rockbox_Downloader.zip
12:48:40	preglow	ep0ch\|: no prompt, no
12:48:48	ep0ch\|	preglow: on the crossfeed i tried changing your asm to have a 15 sample delay, but it sounded bad.
12:48:55	preglow	ep0ch\|: what did you change?
12:48:56	ep0ch\|	the C one was fine though
12:49:25	preglow	what did you change? <-
12:50:25	Membrillo	XavierGr: its sweet now. it automatically copies the msinet.ocx to the folder
12:50:29	XavierGr	Membrillo: I still get the error.
12:50:38	Membrillo	what?!?!!
12:50:48	Membrillo	does it copy the file to your folder?
12:51:00	preglow	ocx is evil
12:51:01	ep0ch\|	1,. the struct so it had a delay[2][15]; and line 529 to "if index >= 15", i.e. changed #13 to #15
12:51:09	preglow	ep0ch\|: small wonder, then
12:51:11	XavierGr	wiat a sec
12:51:15	ep0ch\|	what else did i miss?
12:51:17	preglow	ep0ch\|: line 511
12:51:27	preglow	ep0ch\|: you need to change 52 to 60
12:51:34	preglow	ep0ch\|: could just change it to 15*4 for clarity
12:51:44	ep0ch\|	:D
12:51:50	Membrillo	on mine here, if it doesnt have it in the folder, it copies it from C:\windows\system32\wininet.ocx
12:51:58	ep0ch\|	cheers
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12:52:20	XavierGr	Membrillo: The file is not included in the package. Anyaway it pops up the same error.
12:52:25	ep0ch\|	the coeffiecients sounded quite good last night even without the extra delay
12:52:25	preglow	markun: we should change the delay buffer from buf[2][length] to buf[length][2]
12:52:34	preglow	markun: so that we can fetch both delay values at once
12:52:41	XavierGr	Membrillo: Try deleting your file before testing on your PC. Then copy it again.
12:52:56	Membrillo	ahhhh. so it wont start up far enough to get the file
12:52:56	markun	yes, and you could save a register that way, right?
12:53:08	preglow	no, i use the same register for addressing both values
12:53:11	preglow	but with an offset
12:53:24	preglow	i'll save a couple of instructions, though
12:53:26	XavierGr	Membrillo: Maybe my idea was wrong
12:53:38	Membrillo	its strange though... i dont have the OCX on my root and it works
12:53:42	XavierGr	Maybe it scans before execution for it.
12:53:50	preglow	Membrillo: why do you need an ocx?
12:54:02	Zak1392	would it be possible to make it run in the background and download rockbox at a set time?
12:54:02	Membrillo	accessing the internet
12:54:26	preglow	Membrillo: now, there's why i hate visual basic
12:54:26	Membrillo	Zak1392: yes... but first i have to get it to work on other PCs than mine :)
12:54:41	Zak1392	that would be pretty cool :)
12:54:44	Membrillo	VB is all i know :'(
12:54:50	Membrillo	*runs off crying
12:55:00	preglow	Membrillo: didn't say i hate you, i said i hate vb, heh
12:55:07	Membrillo	hehe
12:55:16	preglow	i like standalone things
12:55:18	Membrillo	well, maybe i should just include the OCX file?
12:55:26	markun	Can anyone recommend a tag editor for windows where you can change the text encoding?
12:55:33	Membrillo	stupid VB. why cant it include it in the EXE
12:57:13	Membrillo	now try it :)
12:57:13	Membrillo	http://jupiter.walagata.com/w/membrillo/Rockbox_Downloader.zip
12:57:22	Membrillo	its included in the zip
12:57:59	ep0ch\|	is slasheri latest cvs update supposed to include a reference to tagcache.h?
12:58:50	XavierGr	Membrillio: Did you understand the part that I said that the ocx mustn't be in the root?
12:58:52	Slasheri	ep0ch\|: oh.. argh, sorry for that
12:59:05	Slasheri	will fix it
12:59:05	XavierGr	Windows/System32 folder
12:59:09	Membrillo	no, i didnt even hear you say that
12:59:30	XavierGr	oops
12:59:33	preglow	Slasheri: explain about this tag cache, if you don't mind
12:59:41	Bger	markun: mp3tag has following option for reading id3v2 "decode ISO-8859-1 tags using system codepage" and on writing "always write ISO-8859-1 instead of UTF-16"
12:59:44	ep0ch\|	Slasheri: any chance of a two finger salute instead of one to clear the settings? or atleast a prompt
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13:00:08	Membrillo	XavierGr: so what should i do with the OCX
13:00:38	XavierGr	anyway just write on the readme where to put the file /windows/system32/
13:00:46	XavierGr	inlcude it in the zip
13:00:48	preglow	Slasheri: is it a simple tag database you just keep in memory at all times?
13:00:51	Membrillo	oh, it has to go there
13:01:04	Membrillo	well, i can make a setuppy thing i guess
13:01:17	Membrillo	that moves the ocx to system32 and extracts the rest
13:01:30	preglow	amiconn: yo, will rockbox always reserve space for the voice file if it sees i've got one, even if it isn't used?
13:01:47	Bger	Membrillo: can't this ocx be in the same dir as your program ?
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13:02:05	ep0ch\|	amiconn: thanks for the new volume.diff it seems to have applied cleanly.
13:02:11	Membrillo	Bger: apparently not
13:02:16	preglow	ep0ch\|: does the asm version sound the same as the c version, then?
13:02:20	Membrillo	according to XavierGr
13:02:32	ep0ch\|	preglow: you're asking a lot there :)
13:02:41	Slasheri	preglow: it has dual operation capability, it can work directly from disk and from ram. Building and loading it is also transparent to user
13:02:55	XavierGr	the ocx are ActiveX controll files that are needed by the windows.
13:03:01	ep0ch\|	preglow: i'll take some recordings and find out
13:03:09	preglow	Slasheri: so it's an option whether you want it in memory or on disk?
13:03:12	XavierGr	You have to set them in Windows/system32/ folder
13:03:17	preglow	ep0ch\|: that would be splendid
13:03:18	Bger	XavierGr: they are needed by the application, not by the windows itself
13:03:21	Slasheri	preglow: yes, loading it into memory is an option
13:03:26	Bger	XavierGr: have you tryed ?
13:03:38	preglow	Slasheri: so wps is truly ultra-responsive then?
13:03:38	amiconn	preglow: Not on archos. Not sure how this is handled on iriver, it's Slasheri's implementation, but I believe the space is reserved
13:03:48	Slasheri	preglow: should be with full tags :)
13:03:50	XavierGr	Membrillo: You are out of luck. Now there is a new error: Run Time error 70. Permission Deneid.
13:03:53	amiconn	(to avoid a reboot when voice UI gets enabled)
13:04:14	Membrillo	ah shit. stupid technology
13:04:18	preglow	amiconn: i wish someone did a way to repartition the audio buffer on the fly :/
13:04:19	Slasheri	amiconn: the space is allocated on boot if ramcache feature is activated
13:04:19	ep0ch\|	preglow: what recordings would you like? the new coeffients + delay or old ones?
13:04:19	Bger	hahaha :)
13:04:21	XavierGr	Bger: You are right
13:04:26	XavierGr	I was mistaken.
13:04:28	Bger	markun ?
13:04:32	Slasheri	if not, nothing but the header is loaded
13:04:39	preglow	ep0ch\|: i'm not all that interested in the recordings myself, i just want to know if my code is good :)
13:04:45	ep0ch\|	haha
13:04:48	Slasheri	so the cache itself is quite simple (far simpler from tagdb)
13:04:49	markun	Bger: yes, thanks. I'm helping Saab with his arabic MP3s :)
13:04:58	Membrillo	i wonder what access is denied... thinks
13:04:58	amiconn	Slasheri: preglow was asking how voice UI is handled
13:05:01	markun	and also chinese
13:05:28	preglow	i just noticed i had far less audio buffer than i'd thought
13:05:51	XavierGr	Membrillo: How the program accesses the internet?
13:06:04	amiconn	preglow: You have a voice file laying around?
13:06:06	Bger	XavierGr: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dllproc/base/dynamic-link_library_search_order.asp
13:06:37	preglow	amiconn: yes
13:06:41	Slasheri	amiconn: Hmm, i don't find that particular question (too much text :) but voice file is allocated on boot if it's found
13:06:50	preglow	Slasheri: that's what i wanted to know
13:06:58	preglow	Zagor: well said on th eml
13:07:03	preglow	Zagor: "the ml", that is
13:07:05	Membrillo	1. The directory from which the application loaded.
13:07:06	Slasheri	so it takes all the space even if "voice menus" are disabled
13:07:30	amiconn	Slasheri: Wasn't there the idea to allow quasi-dynamic allocation of buffers from the audio buffer
13:07:43	amiconn	(only requiring to stop layback)
13:07:56	XavierGr	Bger: That was my own experience back in the days I was programming in VB. I hadn't looked that it needed the file in the same flder as the program. I just encountered a PC that said about the file. Then I looked where I had that file and made the program to install it in the same place.
13:07:56	Slasheri	Hmm, indeed that should be possible
13:08:07	preglow	yes
13:08:09	preglow	i'd love that
13:08:14	Membrillo	whats so deniable about this code. Its pretty damn simple
13:08:18	preglow	so you don't have to reboot to enable disk cache, for example
13:08:21	Membrillo	' Get the file.
13:08:22	Membrillo	bytes() = inetDownload.OpenURL(txturl.Text, icByteArray)
13:08:22	Membrillo	' Save the file.
13:08:22	DBUG	Enqueued KICK Membrillo
13:08:22	Membrillo	fnum = FreeFile
13:08:22	Membrillo	Open txtfile.Text For Binary Access Write As #fnum
13:08:22	***	Alert Mode level 1
13:08:22	Membrillo	Put #fnum, , bytes()
13:08:24	Membrillo	DoEvents
13:08:26	Membrillo	Close #fnum
13:08:33	Membrillo	wow
13:08:37	Bger	XavierGr: yes, but it has one big drawback ... your uninstall program (if any) must delete this file also
13:08:38	Membrillo	that didnt come out how i expected
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13:09:44	XavierGr	Bger: If I new that the ocx file can be in the same folder as the app, I would never bother with install scripts.
13:09:45	Slasheri	preglow: yep.. in fact that's a good idea and implementation should be possible
13:09:49	amiconn	preglow, Slasheri: It would allow to change voice, dircache and buffer limits without reboot
13:09:59	amiconn	(the latter one on all platforms)
13:09:59	Slasheri	yes, correct
13:10:11	preglow	amiconn: you might not even always need to stop playback, like if there's a portion at the start of the buffer that's been marked as played, and not yet rebuffered
13:10:18	ep0ch\|	preglow: back to crossfeed i changed line 511 to '15*4' it still sounds bad, anything else you think i need to change?
13:10:23	Membrillo	XavierGr: so it still doesnt work?
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13:11:03	amiconn	preglow: I wouldn't like that. Today we don't mark, we only have running pointers. It would also make the behaviour unpredictable
13:11:23	preglow	ep0ch\|: there's another 52 there as well if you look
13:11:44	ep0ch\|	ta
13:11:45	preglow	amiconn: it would, and it's not a major point for me. i'd love the uniform approach as well
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13:13:36	XavierGr	Membrillo: Sorry but for me it says that error. Make someone else to test it too. Maybe it is my pc.
13:14:00	Membrillo	ok
13:14:02	Membrillo	thanks anyway
13:14:27	Bger	Membrillo: are you with admin account ?
13:14:33	Bger	XavierGr: and you ?
13:14:52	Membrillo	i believe so yes
13:15:22	Membrillo	Bger: Does it work for you?
13:16:08	Bger	i didn't tried
13:16:15	Bger	try
13:16:17	Bger	uf :(
13:16:28	Membrillo	would you be able to? if it isnt too much trouble?
13:16:37	Bger	not atm, sorry ...
13:16:41	Membrillo	ok np
13:17:13	Membrillo	could someone else please test this and see if it works?
13:17:13	Membrillo	http://jupiter.walagata.com/w/membrillo/Rockbox_Downloader.zip
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13:18:47	XavierGr	Bger: yes I am with admin account.
13:19:51	_FireFly_	Membrillo a little bit ... colorful :)
13:20:17	Membrillo	:P
13:20:21	Membrillo	it works though?
13:20:34	preglow	Fast Filterbanks for the Low Power MPEG High Efficiency Advanced Audio Coding Decoder
13:20:39	preglow	looks like an interesting paper
13:21:03	Bger	hehe :)
13:22:34	Membrillo	_FireFly_: does it work?
13:22:57	_FireFly_	download works
13:23:08	Membrillo	unzip doesnt?
13:23:17	_FireFly_	not tested :)
13:23:22	Membrillo	ok cool
13:23:31	Membrillo	XavierGr: looks like it was your PC haha
13:23:59	_FireFly_	Membrillo but if i try to download again without closing the program it doesn't work
13:24:27	Membrillo	how strange
13:24:37	LinusN	Slasheri: u there?
13:24:43	Membrillo	maybe its a problem overwriting the file
13:24:53	_FireFly_	if i have unpack set to unpack it to current folder
13:25:37	Membrillo	daily or bleeding edge?
13:25:42	_FireFly_	bleeding
13:25:47	Slasheri	LinusN: yes, hi
13:25:56	_FireFly_	Membrillo it won*t start the downloading
13:25:58	LinusN	i just saw your rec-button commit
13:26:04	_FireFly_	it says directly finished
13:26:19	Slasheri	LinusN: Hmm, what do you think about that?
13:26:24	Membrillo	ah
13:26:36	LinusN	i was thinking that we should use a button that exists on all targets
13:26:37	_FireFly_	Membrillo but if i say only unpack and set the path manually it works
13:26:39	Membrillo	i had that i think, then it went away so i thought it was fixed
13:26:53	Membrillo	oh ok
13:27:02	Slasheri	LinusN: Ah, that is a good point.. i didn't even think about that :/
13:27:09	Membrillo	how curious
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13:27:13	LinusN	right now there are many red builds
13:27:34	LinusN	we should at least fix that
13:27:58	Slasheri	yep.. do you think some other button could be more universal? maybe stop?
13:28:11	Membrillo	_FireFly_: so is it in the downloading or the unpacking that it doesnt work
13:28:13	LinusN	not even stop is universal
13:28:20	Slasheri	ah :/
13:28:22	LinusN	(iaudio x5 has no stop button)
13:28:37	LinusN	so we should probably #ifdef our way out here as well
13:28:42	amiconn	...and archos recorders and Ondios either
13:28:47	amiconn	*neither
13:28:54	_FireFly_	Membrillo nothing works it says 2secs after hitting the button... Complete
13:29:06	LinusN	fm and v2 recorder have a stop button
13:29:08	amiconn	The player has one, but not usable for holding
13:29:10	Membrillo	how strange
13:29:13	Slasheri	true.. i will add ifdefs for iriver for now.
13:29:23	Membrillo	might have something to do with saving it to temporary internet files?
13:29:37	_FireFly_	maybe you have an failure when checking the checkboxes when both are set
13:29:41	amiconn	Slasheri: Why not #define SETTINGS_RESET ...
13:29:47	Membrillo	that could be it
13:29:58	Slasheri	LinusN: but do you think record would be better than stop for iriver?
13:30:15	LinusN	holding stop will turn it off
13:30:28	amiconn	LinusN: Huh? I thought the v1, fm and v2 keypads are identical
13:30:41	amiconn	...meaning there is BUTTON_OFF, but no BUTTON_STOP
13:30:43	LinusN	amiconn: the OFF button is labelled Stop on the side
13:30:48	Membrillo	_FireFly_: well all it does is, check that the top one is checked, if it is it unpacks whatever is in the text box. All the bottom check does is puts the folder name in and disables the box
13:30:56	Slasheri	LinusN: hmm, yep.. so user could accidentally hold it during boot. Then record sounds better to me
13:30:57	LinusN	and the ON button is labelled "Menu"
13:31:12	Slasheri	because it works also with bootloader
13:31:29	LinusN	exactly, the user is not likely to hold rec when starting rockbox
13:31:37	amiconn	LinusN: Hmm, stil BUTTON_OFF is not suitable for holding, for the same reason as BUTTON_STOP on the player
13:31:38	preglow	stil
13:31:41	_FireFly_	Membrillo add some error checking in
13:31:46	LinusN	amiconn: true
13:31:47	preglow	i don't know if one button is really that clever
13:31:50	Membrillo	like what?
13:31:54	ep0ch\|	its not
13:31:57	LinusN	preglow: should be a combo
13:32:03	preglow	indeed
13:32:11	_FireFly_	Membrillo or generally download the file to the current folder, in which the program resist
13:32:24	Slasheri	amiconn: that SETTINGS_RESET sounds good also. Should it go to main.c or somewhere else (player specific configs?)
13:32:50	LinusN	the rest of the code does it in the c file
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13:35:16	amiconn	The build table is looking like sh** :/
13:35:34	Membrillo	_FireFly_: try this exe
13:35:35	Membrillo	http://jupiter.walagata.com/w/membrillo/DLRBexe.zip
13:35:39	ep0ch\|	i would say colourfull :)
13:36:03	Slasheri	fixed
13:37:11	preglow	pft, it's got measles
13:38:44	ep0ch\|	what spec is the build machine?
13:39:07	Membrillo	_FireFly_: did that fix it?
13:39:25	Bagder	ep0ch\|: dual AMD Athlon(TM) MP 1900+
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13:40:35	Bger	hehe, Bagder, even (tm) :)
13:40:50	Bagder	hehe, I pasted it from /proc/cpuinfo
13:40:57	Bger	just realised it
13:40:58	Bger	:)
13:41:30	ep0ch\|	are the builds using both CPUs?
13:41:38	Bger	sure ...
13:42:02	_FireFly_	Membrillo bleeding works but not the daily
13:42:13	Membrillo	what does daily do?
13:42:15	Bger	hm, these really are @ ~ 1.5GHz i suppose
13:42:22	_FireFly_	nothing
13:42:24	Bagder	yes, 1.6
13:42:31	Membrillo	terrific...
13:42:32	_FireFly_	it says directly complete
13:42:34	ep0ch\|	i think you could get 2Ghz out them easily ;)
13:42:40	_FireFly_	maybe the file doesn' exist
13:43:00	_FireFly_	yepp the file doesn*t exist
13:43:11	_FireFly_	if i try the link in an browser
13:43:28	_FireFly_	the tool tries to download http://www.rockbox.org/daily/h300/rockbox-h300-2005.12.07.zip
13:43:51	Bagder	"too many dots error"
13:43:51	_FireFly_	but the format is http://www.rockbox.org/daily/h300/rockbox-h300-20051207.zip
13:43:53	Bagder	:-)
13:43:57	_FireFly_	;)
13:44:03	Membrillo	og
13:44:05	Zak1392	i can't get bleeding edge builds to download :(
13:44:07	Membrillo	oh
13:44:12	Membrillo	thats strange
13:44:17	Membrillo	i didnt have it like that before
13:44:33	_FireFly_	maybe the problem is the fn which returns the current date
13:45:10	Membrillo	it works for me... how strange
13:45:13	Membrillo	ahhh
13:45:19	_FireFly_	on my system (its WinXp Prof german ) it returns the date with the dots as seperator between year month day
13:45:19	Membrillo	it may be how you have your date settings
13:45:26	Membrillo	yeah
13:45:29	Membrillo	its your date settings
13:45:35	Membrillo	no problems
13:45:40	Membrillo	ill just tell it to remove dots :)
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13:45:49	_FireFly_	yepp but not the last one ,)
13:45:49	Membrillo	wait
13:45:56	Membrillo	then it will get rid of the .zip
13:45:59	Membrillo	hmmm
13:46:03	Membrillo	how do i avoid that
13:46:09	Zak1392	what is rbdler?
13:46:22	Membrillo	get rid of the dots THEN ad the zip. im a genious
13:46:30	_FireFly_	Membrillo remove the dots directly after you get the date
13:46:48	Membrillo	Zak1392: the project name i have it under haha
13:46:48	_FireFly_	and after that create the download address
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13:47:04	Bger	LinusN: seriously, what is the first thing in your todo list (regarding rb on h300)
13:47:08	_FireFly_	Membrillo or that ;)
13:47:14	LinusN	bger: cpu frequency
13:47:19	Zak1392	membrillo: how come it runs in memory?
13:47:27	Bger	what about bootloader USB mode ?
13:47:39	LinusN	Bger: ah, that to
13:47:40	LinusN	o
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13:48:09	Jungti1234	markun
13:48:11	Bger	in fact more than cpu freq ...
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13:49:18	Membrillo	_FireFly_: done. dots shouldnt be a problem now
13:49:59	_FireFly_	;)
13:50:45	Bger	hm, is the settings ver bumped up ?
13:50:48	Membrillo	http://jupiter.walagata.com/w/membrillo/EXE.zip
13:50:55	Membrillo	see if that works
13:51:42	_FireFly_	address is right and it downloads the file now :)
13:51:48	Membrillo	awesome
13:51:51	Membrillo	any problems now?
13:51:52	_FireFly_	donw
13:51:55	_FireFly_	no
13:52:02	Membrillo	tremendous :D
13:52:20	*	Bger very pleased with rb's USB mode :)
13:52:29	Membrillo	now ill add some error checks
13:52:35	_FireFly_	it has only problems when my wlan-connection gets bad ;)
13:52:41	_FireFly_	then it crashes
13:52:49	Membrillo	yeah probably
13:52:56	Membrillo	its pretty simple code for the downloading
13:53:09	Jungti1234	hey Membrillo
13:53:09	Membrillo	no error stuff
13:53:13	Membrillo	yeah
13:53:28	Jungti1234	Does HPod that you make work?
13:53:33	Membrillo	it does indeed
13:53:46	Jungti1234	No.
13:53:49	_FireFly_	i think you should at least check if only unzip is set that a valid path is given in the input field
13:54:02	Jungti1234	H300 stops operation.
13:54:15	Jungti1234	WPS that I make is same.
13:54:20	Membrillo	strange
13:54:25	Membrillo	i havent used it lately
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13:54:37	Membrillo	hmmm
13:54:41	Membrillo	i wonder why
13:54:48	Membrillo	it doesnt brick it does it?
13:55:01	Jungti1234	Do you use latest Build?
13:55:02	Membrillo	_FireFly_: ill see what i can do
13:55:06	Membrillo	yeah
13:55:11	Jungti1234	hmm..
13:55:24	Membrillo	but i deleted rockbox and put the newest version on
13:55:27	Jungti1234	Wait. I will take a picture.
13:55:30	Membrillo	and i havent put my WPS back on since
13:55:45	Jungti1234	ah
13:55:56	Membrillo	_FireFly_: maybe i could put a browse for folder in?
13:56:06	_FireFly_	ot that
13:56:37	Membrillo	ill see what i can do, because that would be handy
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13:58:52	Membrillo	id rather avoid another OCX file :P
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14:01:49	Jungti1234	Perfect!
14:01:53	_FireFly_	Membrillo then simply try to open the folder
14:02:44	_FireFly_	when it's fails then you can find out with the errorcode what was the problem
14:03:50	Membrillo	explain please
14:05:25	_FireFly_	there should be a fn or an fn-set to go trough the files/dirs in a directory
14:06:02	_FireFly_	with this/these fn you try to "open" the dir given in the input field and checks the return value
14:06:28	Bger	LinusN: regarding H300 LCD remote... do you have one ?
14:06:36	Bagder	he does
14:06:42	LinusN	Bger: yes
14:06:42	*	Bagder has seen and tried it
14:07:03	LinusN	i have a non-lcd one too
14:07:20	Bger	ok, the remote is nearly a copy of the main unit (as button functionality), except for (1) the ON button is the "navi" and 2) there are 2 additional buttons
14:07:44	Bger	so i would like it to function as a copy of the main unit buttons
14:07:56	Jungti1234	hey Membrillo, http://jungti1234.netcci.net/iriver/h300/rockbox/DSCN2387.jpg
14:08:41	Bger	but the current use of the LCD remote buttons (h100's remote) makes this a little horror
14:08:43	Membrillo	no, thats because your loading it wrong
14:08:55	Membrillo	are you loading it through browse .wps?
14:08:56	Bger	what do u suggest
14:09:31	Bger	1) remap h100's remote buttons to be like the h300's (i don't have such remote and i don't know whether it'll be good to do so)
14:09:48	Maxime`	erm
14:09:49	Bger	2) add another ifdef-s
14:09:55	Maxime`	found a bug with the last build (from this morning)
14:10:09	Jungti1234	So, H300 stops operation.
14:10:20	Maxime`	whe I try to load DancePuffDuo
14:10:22	Maxime`	the player hangs
14:10:23	Jungti1234	System is downed.
14:11:04	LinusN	Maxime`: the theme or the wps?
14:11:13	Maxime`	the wps
14:11:19	Maxime`	it hangs at a line '%t0.2%xdw%xdq%ac%pc/%'
14:12:16	Jungti1234	um?
14:12:22	Jungti1234	I don't understand.
14:13:03	Maxime`	when the wps is loading, the screen shows "%t0.2%xdw%xdq%ac%pc/%"
14:13:08	Maxime`	then .. stay here
14:13:37	Bger	LinusN: any opinions ?
14:13:59	LinusN	Bger: i haven't thought much about it
14:14:25	Bger	afaics the h100's remote buttons are not very well situated
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14:14:46	LinusN	i like the joystick on the h300 remote
14:14:56	*	Bger too
14:15:03	Jungti1234	markun: Are you there?
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14:18:53	preglow	ARGH
14:19:18	preglow	windows REFUSES to let me unmount my h120 "cleanly"
14:19:23	preglow	let's see if it respons by vomiting this time
14:20:14	preglow	yes it did.....................
14:20:20	preglow	suddenly i have no display anymore
14:20:42	LinusN	must be because you vomited on it
14:20:50	LinusN	better clean it up
14:21:00	perplexity	You can't even use the "safe remove" thinggy from the task tray ?
14:21:04	preglow	it's in the circuit boards :/
14:21:06	preglow	perplexity: exactly
14:21:20	ep0ch\|	just pull it out
14:21:22	preglow	hahaa
14:21:25	preglow	slasheri to the rescue
14:21:25	*	perplexity faxes preglow some Debian boot cd's
14:21:27	preglow	i had to clear the settings
14:21:39	Bagder	:-)
14:21:47	LinusN	vomit in the settings?
14:22:01	perplexity	must be the carrots jamming things up
14:22:01	preglow	yes
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14:22:03	Bger	hahaha :)))
14:22:04	preglow	clearly
14:22:17	preglow	perplexity: nah, it was the corn
14:22:22	perplexity	ewwww
14:23:27	preglow	hmm
14:23:32	preglow	doesn't rockbox save settings before it runs rolo?
14:24:04	LinusN	i don't know
14:24:07	LinusN	it should
14:24:09	preglow	it should
14:24:10	preglow	yeah
14:24:13	preglow	doesn't seem like it does
14:24:17	LinusN	but i can imagine that it doesn't
14:24:30	LinusN	better fix that
14:25:29	preglow	hahaha
14:25:34	preglow	tried loading japanese lang file
14:25:42	preglow	now i have just the selector bar on my screen
14:26:35	LinusN	welcome to the club, i did that yesterday too :-)
14:26:45	preglow	there
14:26:48	preglow	fonts have unicode support?
14:26:55	LinusN	a few of them have
14:27:06	preglow	insert 'what' in front of that
14:27:08	LinusN	we really need to clean up the font mess
14:27:12	preglow	yeah, we do
14:27:38	preglow	but ok, which have got unicode?
14:27:40	markun	preglow: not many fonts.
14:27:51	markun	unifont has the largest range, but is very big..
14:27:56	preglow	sure, gigantic
14:28:01	LinusN	the "XxY" fonts, and the "unifont"
14:28:35	LinusN	unifont is HUGE
14:28:45	Jungti1234	markun
14:28:48	preglow	hah
14:28:49	preglow	japanese
14:28:52	preglow	looks pretty cool indeed, thius
14:29:01	Jungti1234	'Dotum-11'?
14:29:11	preglow	LinusN: file size or on screen size?
14:29:19	preglow	i think the characters are way, way too large
14:29:29	LinusN	the file and the screen size
14:29:34	markun	Jungti1234 found a tool to convert true type fonts. Looks quite good.
14:29:47	LinusN	markun: great
14:30:00	LinusN	url?
14:30:19	LinusN	preglow: hard to write kanji in a smaller font :-)
14:31:19	preglow	true
14:31:20	Jungti1234	LinusN: http://crl.nmsu.edu/~mleisher/ttf2bdf.html
14:31:23	preglow	but ok
14:31:32	preglow	i've implemented the larger playback speed step at repeat thing
14:31:39	preglow	it works ok, but is a bit unpredictable
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14:31:46	preglow	too button pressed that are fast enough are counted as repeated
14:31:56	preglow	two button presses
14:31:56	preglow	i suck
14:32:16	ep0ch\|	whys it not in the playback menu?
14:32:30	preglow	what?
14:32:37	preglow	playback speed? because it's never been there
14:32:41	ep0ch\|	oh ok
14:32:48	preglow	i have no idea, i just enabled what worked for archos and adapted it to software codecs
14:33:07	ep0ch\|	just seems a bit wierd not having it in the settings
14:33:11	preglow	well
14:33:15	preglow	depends what you use it for
14:33:22	Bagder	its hardly a setting like the other ones
14:33:29	ep0ch\|	yeah....
14:34:51	ep0ch\|	someone made a patch that changed the volume in greater increments using the same key combination, i just though that made more sense than having pitch control. anyway.
14:35:24	preglow	but yeah, press just a bit too fast, and it'll act like you're holding the button
14:35:33	preglow	is that a glitch in the driver, or a hardware issue?
14:35:51	preglow	stems from the fact that the driver is polling the buttons per tick, i'd guess
14:36:02	LinusN	it polls them less often
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14:37:11	preglow	hmm, ok
14:37:15	preglow	but should i commit the current thing?
14:37:22	preglow	it does work after a fashion
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14:39:47	preglow	but it's madly annoying
14:40:04	preglow	press a couple of times down to align it 100%, and bam, it skips 0.5% and i'm below
14:40:08	preglow	need to force myself to be slower, heh
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14:45:43	Jungti1234	I wonder.
14:46:16	Jungti1234	That is compile file that I want if do how do must?
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14:46:47	Jungti1234	-> What if do compile file that I want should I do?
14:48:30	preglow	LinusN, amiconn: can you tell me why the BUTTON_UP is checked in addition to BUTTON_ON \| BUTTON_UP in pitch_screen in screens.c? i thought the screen was supposed to exit if you let go of the on button
14:49:56	LinusN	i don't remember
14:55:39	amiconn	For more convenient operation, I'd say the requirement to hold ON all the time should go
14:56:20	amiconn	...and the pitch screen should be left with OFF or STOP instead
14:57:25	preglow	i agree, but how should it be triggered, then?
14:57:52	amiconn	Same way as now, I'd think
14:58:23	elinenbe	in the H300 the scroll speed looks nice up to 30. I think this should be changed in the source.
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14:59:32	Bger	hm, the TREE_POWER_BTN define (apps/tree.h) isn't used anywhere
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14:59:44	Jungti1234	good night
14:59:46	LinusN	bye
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14:59:55	linuxstb	What's wrong with just making a long press on play/pause bring up the pitch screen? (at least on iriver)
14:59:56	Bger	or i'm blind ...
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15:00:37	amiconn	Bger: That's an old one, only used for the resume screen which was removed some time ago
15:00:53	amiconn	Just a leftover
15:01:42	Bger	ok, 10x, ami
15:01:50	Bger	so i can remove it completely
15:03:07	saa[b_r]ider	Let it be known! markun helped me and made it possible for my H340 to read an Arabic ID3 tag! thanks to markun and all the Rockbox team!!!!
15:03:21	XavierGr	So what happens in the virtual keyboard now that we have unicode?
15:03:41	Bger	uf :( these button names are terrible...
15:04:27	LinusN	XavierGr: i don't want to think of it... :-)
15:05:29	preglow	anything other than full kanji support would be a declaration of our cowardly ways
15:05:29	Bger	heh, why? latin, cyr & greek are ok on h100 & h300 :)
15:05:34	markun	multiple keyboards of course :)
15:05:48	Bger	user-selectable codepage ?
15:05:58	XavierGr	Maybe we could add more screens on the virtual keyboard with different leanguage character settings every time.
15:06:04	LinusN	there is a default codepage setting
15:06:16	Bger	hm ? where
15:06:49	LinusN	general settings->display->default codepage
15:07:03	Bger	this is new, i guess ?
15:07:17	LinusN	came with the unicode patch
15:07:22	Bger	yep:)
15:07:28	LinusN	however, the keyboard doesn't use it yet
15:09:17	XavierGr	I am confused with Unicode. Lets says that a tag has arabic, english and greek text. Will it display them all correctly?
15:09:42	Bger	XavierGr: it should display it ok
15:09:53	markun	XavierGr: If the tag is in UTF-8 or UTF-16 then yes
15:09:58	Bger	if the font has all the glyphs
15:10:00	XavierGr	what is the drawback in all this?
15:10:20	markun	More complicated if you only use english
15:10:22	XavierGr	I heard the sometimes the disk will spin to load fonts, is that true?
15:10:28	markun	yes, also
15:10:29	LinusN	yes
15:10:45	XavierGr	and it will spin in which situation?
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15:11:00	LinusN	it won't load the entire unicode font in memory
15:11:09	LinusN	so it loads the glyphs it needs and caches them
15:11:10	XavierGr	why is it so big?
15:11:29	LinusN	because it contains thousands of glyphs of course
15:11:33	XavierGr	when you say glyphs you mean letters, right?
15:11:40	LinusN	yes
15:12:02	XavierGr	ah that's why it took me so long to update my cvs then?
15:12:14	markun	XavierGr: maybe you should try wikipedia for all your questions :)
15:12:14	LinusN	yup, unifont is 5mbytes
15:13:11	XavierGr	can we convert current rockbox fonts to unicpde ones?
15:13:47	LinusN	XavierGr: yes, with a font editor, graphic skills and a lot of time
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15:14:20	LinusN	some fonts have been updated to their unicode variants
15:14:51	XavierGr	I will search a little bit on how to do it. I want chicago12 to be unicaode....
15:14:57	Bger	what about some mark in the filename like fontname_uni.fnt
15:15:08	LinusN	not even Apple has a unicode chigago font...
15:15:22	XavierGr	what you mean?
15:15:31	XavierGr	what's with chicago?
15:15:34	LinusN	XavierGr: apple designed that font
15:15:36	markun	XavierGr: what would you like to add to the font?
15:16:05	XavierGr	Ah I thougth that every font can have a unicode version of it.
15:16:16	LinusN	no, someone has to draw the glyphs
15:16:33	saa[b_r]ider	just to let you know, using the Unifont, I was able to view an MP3 with arabic ID3 info encoded in unicode, while the default page encoding was chinese....
15:16:33	saa[b_r]ider	meaning, I don't have to change the encode page, if the tag was encoded in unicode
15:17:05	XavierGr	bummer and it was my font of choice after I carefully designed my favorite wps. Size to eye ease ratio. :(
15:17:30	markun	saa[b_r]ider: I think you are pretty unique to have files with arabic and chinese tags :)
15:17:53	LinusN	chicago is generally the worst choice, since it has only 127 glyphs
15:18:08	linuxstb	Is there a reason that the code makes "dummy" calls to lcd_getstringsize() and relies on a side-effect, instead of having a more explicit function - e.g. something like lcd_cache_glyphs() ?
15:18:23	XavierGr	I must find a font with nearly the same size as chicago12
15:18:43	LinusN	linuxstb: a very good question
15:18:58	markun	lazyness?
15:19:01	LinusN	XavierGr: nimbus-12?
15:19:15	markun	forgive my spelling errors :)
15:19:22	XavierGr	is it unicode now?
15:19:27	LinusN	no
15:19:35	LinusN	8859-1
15:19:36	XavierGr	then?
15:20:05	LinusN	XavierGr: you want greek, right?
15:20:28	XavierGr	well truth is that I want as many as I can have.
15:20:29	markun	The first 256 entries of unicode are iso-8859-1
15:20:51	LinusN	XavierGr: all the existing fonts still work
15:20:54	XavierGr	Yeah I am interested more in greek though it is kinda weird that I don't have any tags with Greek Characters.
15:20:59	amiconn	iso8859-xx only define 192 glyphs each
15:21:08	Bger	hm, quick help... what to set in vim to remove tabs ? ...
15:21:11	amiconn	0..31 and 160..191 are not printable
15:21:18	linuxstb	amiconn: I was about to ask about that...
15:22:32	saa[b_r]ider	markun: well I do have friends just like me who speak arabic and chinese, but none have an iRiver :)
15:22:50	saa[b_r]ider	actually, one does, but it's a flash player
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15:24:32	preglow	Bger: set expandtab
15:24:44	preglow	Bger: if they're already there, %s/\t/ /g
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15:25:37	Bger	retab ?
15:25:51	Bger	there's such command
15:26:11	Bger	i mean
15:26:15	Bger	set expandtab
15:26:17	Bger	retab
15:26:50	preglow	it is a command
15:26:51	preglow	i just used it
15:26:52	saa[b_r]ider	XavierGr, you can create a .cfg file for when you play foreign music, which would select an appropriate wps with the unifont, and another .cfg file for playing other stuff. this way you can retain the wps you created, and continue using the chicago font
15:27:15	Bger	yep
15:27:25	preglow	then set tabstop=4 for rockbox tabs
15:27:27	preglow	ehh
15:27:29	preglow	indents
15:27:46	Bger	how do i save these settings to a "cfg" file and how do i load them ?
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15:28:26	preglow	just put the command in .vimrc
15:28:31	preglow	or _vimrc if you're on windows
15:28:36	Bger	linux
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15:29:18	Bger	hm ?
15:29:27	Bger	set indents=4 ?
15:29:33	preglow	tabstop
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15:31:55	tucoz	hmm, a windows dap with wlan: http://www.taolife.com/wmp_prod.htm
15:32:04	Bger	preglow: what about softtabstop ?
15:32:39	preglow	no idea
15:32:47	Bger	see :help tabstop
15:33:33	preglow	do not use the first option
15:33:47	preglow	mixing tabs and spaces = evil
15:33:53	Bger	the second is best for rb
15:33:59	preglow	yes
15:34:01	preglow	that's what i do
15:34:15	Bger	k, 10x a lot
15:34:58	XavierGr	Why tabs are hunted down by rockbox devs?
15:35:04	tucoz	Is a windows ce processor something that MS has developed? Something like the portaplayer chipset?
15:35:19	Bger	because <preglow> mixing tabs and spaces = evil
15:35:37	preglow	XavierGr: we prefer all spaces, so there are never any surprises
15:35:51	preglow	personally i think tabs work fine if you know what you're doing, but few people do
15:35:55	preglow	so we go with spaces only
15:36:12	LinusN	example: read a tab separated source file in a web browser
15:36:32	LinusN	tab=8 in most browsers
15:36:39	tucoz	...with a few spaces here and there between the tabs :)
15:37:06	LinusN	many people set the tab size to 3 or 4 and use tabs to indent
15:37:19	LinusN	looks awful in a browser
15:37:23	preglow	as long as you _only_ use tabs for scope level indenting, you'll be fine
15:37:31	LinusN	especially if this person has mixed tabs and spaces
15:37:44	XavierGr	can I make in my viewer to make tab = 4 spaces?
15:37:58	tucoz	What viewer?
15:37:59	preglow	some source use 4 spaces for one level, 1 tab for level two, 1 tab and four spaces for level three, etc
15:38:06	XavierGr	notepad I shoud search it.
15:38:08	preglow	which is the worst of both worlds, and should be punishable
15:38:14	XavierGr	ehn notepad2 that is
15:38:26	tucoz	probably, isn't that quite nice?
15:38:36	tucoz	the editor I mean.
15:39:32	XavierGr	preglow so you mean that when I write rockbox for code I can use tabs for scope level indenting?
15:39:44	XavierGr	^code for rockbox
15:40:15	tucoz	No, you should not use tab at all afaiu
15:40:17	Bger	not,
15:40:21	preglow	XavierGr: no
15:40:26	preglow	XavierGr: only spaces in rockbox
15:40:29	Bger	the reverse
15:40:50	preglow	XavierGr: that was just my example of how tabs should be used, if you use them somewhere
15:41:06	XavierGr	preglow: that is the only use of tab I know.
15:41:23	preglow	XavierGr: well, there are people who do a hybrid
15:41:36	preglow	as long as your code looks fine whatever tab size i use, then you did correctly
15:42:51	tucoz	any grep-gurus here? I do not understand how I use grep to find a string in a bunch of source files.
15:42:54	XavierGr	Just found that notepad2 has a long line marker. So now instead of searching which line is more than 80 columns I will see a small line at column 80 sweet!
15:43:10	Bagder	tucoz: find . -name "*.c" \| xargs grep fooo
15:43:18	tucoz	Bagder, thanks :)
15:43:32	LinusN	tucoz: find . -name "*.c" -exec grep -H "my string" {} \;
15:43:41	Bger	hehe
15:43:44	Bagder	the xargs version is faster
15:43:47	tucoz	heeh
15:43:51	Bagder	:-)
15:44:01	XavierGr	Youpieee I just found insert tabs as spaces in notepad2. Great Viewer!
15:44:59	tucoz	the xargs version is easier to remember as well :)
15:45:41	Bagder	and use "-type f" instead of '-name "*.c"' if you want to grep all files
15:45:42	XavierGr	ok time to load a Ghost image. (F*cking windows)
15:45:48	XavierGr	Reboot!
15:45:58	Bger	heh
15:46:11	tucoz	ok
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15:47:29	tucoz	I read Zagor's response in the mailing list. Nice conclusion on the clipping-debate.
15:47:37	LinusN	indeed
15:47:58	preglow	yes, i agree completely with him as well
15:48:16	Bger	rockbox or rockbox-dev
15:48:21	tucoz	dev
15:48:42	LinusN	also, i don't like the comparison between the original firmware and rockbox
15:48:56	LinusN	rockbox is rockbox
15:49:01	Bagder	amen
15:49:28	LinusN	but still, i think a clipping prevention mode might be useful to clueless users
15:49:33	preglow	anyway
15:49:51	LinusN	and we do have quite a few of them
15:49:56	preglow	he particularily like the "people are used to things clipping" part
15:50:01	preglow	s/he/i/ :-/
15:50:02	Bagder	hehe
15:50:10	preglow	because they are
15:50:11	tucoz	hehe, that kind of comparison is quite pointless unless iriver had done something that would be a wanted feature in rockbox.
15:51:00	tucoz	I am glad that rockbox do not have the same ui as iriver.
15:52:56	tucoz	people are used to the iriver ui, we should have the same in rockbox. hehe
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15:53:54	ep0ch\|	ah i've finally found a use for ROLO :)
15:54:41	ep0ch\|	different firmwares for different crossfeed values
15:55:09	markun	I want the HD-always-spinning feature that iriver implemented!
15:55:18	ep0ch\|	heh
15:55:56	Bger	what does button_get(false) do ?
15:56:07	Bger	does it remove the event from the queue ?
15:56:37	LinusN	yes
15:56:57	LinusN	it returns BUTTON_NONE if no event was in the queue
15:57:08	LinusN	instead of waiting for an event
15:57:18	preglow	time for food
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15:57:28	Bger	aha, 10x
15:57:51	Bger	ah, so if the param is true, then it waits
15:57:54	LinusN	yes
15:58:06	Bger	i should rtfs
15:58:25	LinusN	long button_get (bool block);
15:58:39	Bger	yeah, i'm looking at it :)
15:58:48	Bger	at the source i mean
15:58:53	Bger	.c file
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15:59:13	tucoz	markun, yes, please. That is my number one wanted feature in rockbox.
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16:07:37	leftright	I have often been invited to listen to a friends hifi, and ofcourse the first thing that gets demonstrated is "how loud it can go", with a beaming smile they then announce "doesn't it sound great", meantime I can see cracks appearing in the speaker boxes due to clipping.
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16:10:10	leftright	people expect this "muddled" sound if the volume os to loud
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16:13:32	LinusN	leftright: yeah, i was thinking about that too
16:14:05	ep0ch\|	i have a question about the radio on ihp
16:14:26	linuxstb	Can someone who understands the GUI code more than I do commit _FireFly_'s patch to prevent wrapping of the numerical settings? It's here: http://home.arcor.de/s.wezel/wrap-int-fix.patch
16:14:37	leftright	and some have a higher tolerance for "muddled" music than others
16:14:47	linuxstb	It appears to work, but I don't understand that GUI code, so don't want to commit it.
16:14:56	ep0ch\|	basically is it possible to sample the radio without it being output directly? so we could apply DSP to the radio etc?
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16:17:37	Moos	LinusN, Bagder: will FireFly have one CVS access? he made and update a lot of patchs
16:21:00	Moos	hard to maintain couple of patch up to date :(
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16:26:09	LinusN	linuxstb: that patch seems simple enough for me, commit it if it works
16:26:32	LinusN	ep0ch\|: yes
16:27:06	LinusN	leftright: i agree that analog clipping is much more gentle than digital clipping
16:28:34	leftright	yes that is true, folks just seem to use the 'distortion' level as a means of determining max volume, and after a few beers the level goes up by a few notches
16:29:42	Bagder	hey, that's not a bad idea. We suggest people have a few more beers instead, should take away the need for that option! ;-O
16:29:43	*	amiconn doesn't understand this at all
16:30:14	leftright	if folks complain about distoritng, tell them to have a few beers :)
16:32:05	amiconn	Clipping sounds so horrible that I wonder how people can bear it more than a few seconds
16:32:51	leftright	3 beers = lowpass filter, 6 beers = high pass filter, 12 beers = low and high pass filter
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16:33:16	Moos	:D
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16:34:32	leftright	The lastest kenwood dap are touted as the 'first' to have digital amplifiers, thats their reason for the $400 price tag for a 30gig unit
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16:35:44	Bger	hahaha
16:35:45	linuxstb	Anyone know FireFly's true identify? It's not listed in the IRC nicks and I'm about to commit that patch.
16:35:56	linuxstb	s/identify/identity/
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16:36:15	Bagder	Stephan Wezel I believe
16:36:17	amiconn	He is in the credits list already
16:36:26	amiconn	Bagder: yep
16:36:38	linuxstb	Bagder: Thanks. amiconn: I want to mention his name in the commit message.
16:36:41	Moos	amiconn: btw, your dB scaling works like a charme, I'm already habbit
16:36:54	leftright	http://www.dapreview.net/comment.php?comment.news.1615
16:37:14	amiconn	Btw, when experimenting with the volume stuff, I noticed that my earphones themselves clip at high volumes on archos (of course I didn't wear them at that time - too loud to be bearable)
16:37:28	ep0ch\|	preglow: asm crossfeed output is the same as the C one
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16:38:53	linuxstb	Numerical settings patch committed. All we need now is the clipping prevention option removed, and my hearing is safe again.
16:39:36	Moos	amiconn's commit this night? :)
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16:44:37	Bger	bye
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16:48:36	preglow	ep0ch\|: excellent, thanks a lot for testing
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16:49:27	leftright	so what volume method is current? amicconn's or previous?
16:50:21	Moos	len0x one for clipping prevention mode
16:50:40	Moos	but maybe amiconn will commit his patch soon
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17:17:06	preglow	he should
17:17:10	preglow	i think it's the way to go
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17:22:18	^BeN^	where i need to write this: cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox login
17:22:18	^BeN^	cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox
17:22:20	^BeN^	?
17:22:24	^BeN^	in msdos?
17:22:37	linuxstb	In Cygwin
17:23:16	^BeN^	linuxstb
17:23:16	^BeN^	bash-3.00$ cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox login
17:23:16	^BeN^	bash: cvs: command not found
17:23:37	^BeN^	this is in the cygwin.bat file
17:24:21	^BeN^	i cant do nothing
17:24:31	linuxstb	You need to install the cvs program from the Cygwin setup.exe
17:24:49	^BeN^	its allready install
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17:25:18	preglow	sometimes my daftness surprises _EVEN ME_
17:25:43	^BeN^	?
17:25:43	_FireFly_	preglow: ??
17:26:01	linuxstb	^BeN^: What does "echo $PATH" display?
17:26:28	^BeN^	em
17:26:37	^BeN^	em
17:26:39	^BeN^	blah
17:26:42	^BeN^	moment
17:26:56	^BeN^	/cygdrive/c/WINDOWS/system32:/cygdrive/c/WINDOWS:/cygdrive/c/WINDOWS/System32/Wbem
17:27:16	_FireFly_	?? is that all ??
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17:27:32	linuxstb	That looks wrong. It should include at least /bin:/usr/bin
17:27:37	_FireFly_	yepp
17:28:05	^BeN^	mm
17:28:17	^BeN^	install again all from setup.exe
17:28:18	^BeN^	?
17:29:31	linuxstb	That would probably be the easiest thing to do. I don't know enough about Cygwin configuration files to help you fix it manually.
17:29:56	linuxstb	But temporarily, you could just type "export PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:$PATH"
17:30:06	linuxstb	and then try your cvs command again.
17:30:09	_FireFly_	linuxstb: is the PATH var maybe set in the cygwin.bat ??
17:30:29	^BeN^	ohh 10x you
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17:32:46	lostlogicx	Some symbols that are showing up in profiling are not in .map files, how else would I find them?
17:33:21	amiconn	_FireFly_: Nope
17:34:03	amiconn	linuxstb: cygwin configuration is very similar to linux. E.g there's /etc/bash.bashrc, ~/.bashrc ...
17:34:05	webguest59	How come the invert option is named "LCD Mode: Normal/Inverse" instead of "Inverse LCD: on/off"? Would give the user a clue what it does already in the menu, without having to try it first
17:34:49	linuxstb	amiconn: I don't understand it too well on Linux either... I only ever change my personal ~/.bashrc
17:35:12	amiconn	The standard paths are set elsewhere; I used to know where but don't remember it right now
17:35:22	linuxstb	But maybe other things have gone wrong with ^BeN^'s install if the standard paths are missing.
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17:35:27	_FireFly_	/etc/profile afaik
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17:36:11	amiconn	_FireFly_: Ah, yes
17:36:50	preglow	Slasheri: are you planning to implement the dynamic audio buffer allocation?
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17:39:46	Slasheri	preglow: in future, yes.. :)
17:39:54	preglow	okies, i'll just rename my voice file for now
17:40:00	preglow	freed a bunch of buffer space
17:40:01	Slasheri	preglow: but if you want to do that, please :)
17:40:16	preglow	nono, you can have that
17:40:20	Slasheri	hehe :D
17:40:21	preglow	wont rob you of the pleasure
17:40:30	preglow	but, in another matter
17:40:34	preglow	did you look at the queue issue yet?
17:40:38	preglow	that's more irritating
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17:40:46	_FireFly_	preglow: with my new wps-file-loader the required size of the format-buffer can be reduced if it helps by your problem
17:41:01	preglow	_FireFly_: i don't think that will yield much
17:41:13	preglow	_FireFly_: but anyway, why isn't your parser commited yet? something wrong?
17:41:36	Slasheri	currently i have to finish at least tagcache, flashing support, crossfade, and other bugs (including your queue thing).. :)
17:42:01	Slasheri	preglow: i will look that soon when my rockbox is in more working state.. sorry, havent had time yesterday
17:42:02	preglow	i've got codecs, eq and ipod port going on at the moment
17:42:05	preglow	plus libmusepack opts
17:42:10	Slasheri	hehe :)
17:42:13	Lear	_FireFly_: If you plan to do it soon (as in later today), please let me know, and I'll hold off with a minor WPS-related patch...
17:42:27	preglow	so no, i wont try something else, i've got a hard enough time commiting anything as it is
17:42:35	_FireFly_	preglow: no, not as i know but i have no write-access to cvs and it seams currently nobody had time to look at it and/or commit it
17:42:44	preglow	so no one has any comments on it?
17:44:18	_FireFly_	no but i had only yesterday open an thread on the dev-ml about this also about my patch for the currently missing remote-settings
17:45:31	_FireFly_	the only "big" change will be, that the wps-tags %we and %wd must be with this loader on a seperate line
17:46:55	_FireFly_	currently the buffer-size for the format-buffer is 3072 bytes with this loader the size can be reduced the old value of 1600 bytes
17:47:00	_FireFly_	or lower
17:47:09	preglow	so, you break some current wpses?
17:47:47	preglow	if so, that's a problem, at least. how about code size?
17:47:54	Lear	Is that #1367059?
17:48:12	_FireFly_	preglow: yepp
17:48:38	_FireFly_	Lear: yepp
17:49:01	_FireFly_	preglow: do you mean with code-size the compiled one ??
17:49:26	Lear	Code size difference is neglible, I'd say...
17:49:42	preglow	okies
17:49:54	preglow	any other differences that go in favour of it?
17:49:54	_FireFly_	i will just test how big the new firmware will be with this patch
17:50:17	preglow	i don't know if it's worth breaking current wps behaviour for 1.5k of ram saved
17:50:26	preglow	i'm puzzled why amiconn hasn't jumped at this yet :-)
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17:51:05	_FireFly_	he has currently not musch time also Cassandra and TiMiD
17:51:10	_FireFly_	mutch
17:51:15	preglow	much
17:51:15	preglow	:P
17:51:19	_FireFly_	ouch
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17:53:06	Lear	But I'd probably chang that BOM skipper a little... :) Might be safe, but it doesn't look quite safe, IMHO. :)
17:53:44	_FireFly_	if i use the utf8seek fn then it will break the other parsed line :)
17:54:31	_FireFly_	because if no BOM is in the line then the first valid char is also ignored
17:54:42	Lear	I'd just prefer a strncmp or something with the same effect.
17:55:01	webguest59	How come the invert option is named "LCD Mode: Normal/Inverse" instead of "Inverse LCD: on/off"? Would give the user a clue what it does already in the menu, without having to try it first
17:55:03	webguest59	oops
17:56:59	preglow	webguest59: sounds logical enough, perhaps they thought they'd have other modes as well, when they added that
17:58:52	webguest59	Ah, that sounds possible
17:59:15	webguest59	the oops was because i'd already asked, and my fat fingers just re-sent the line
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18:00:52	_FireFly_	oops i have just found out that the patch on the tracker doesn't compile
18:01:00	_FireFly_	i will create a new one
18:02:02	_FireFly_	which file is the firmware-file on the recorder v2 and player ?
18:02:53	_FireFly_	rombox.ucl, rockbox.ucl, archos.mod or ajbrec.ajz
18:04:50	_FireFly_	on iriver h120/h140 the code will be increased by 8bytes ()
18:05:06	_FireFly_	org: 250736 patched: 250744
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18:07:05	XavierGr	ok can I have a little help with the "extern" keyword in c?
18:07:25	preglow	XavierGr: it means the variable or function is in another file
18:07:33	preglow	XavierGr: so that the compiler should ignore not finding the symbol in the current file
18:07:35	_FireFly_	player gets increased by 141 bytes(rockbox.ucl) , 192 bytes(rombox.ucl) 212 bytes(archos.mod)
18:07:38	XavierGr	exactly
18:07:42	preglow	XavierGr: and just assume the linker will fix it
18:07:45	XavierGr	so
18:08:27	XavierGr	I have a variable decalared as an extern in a different file.
18:08:35	Lear	Player difference is probably due to a missing "#ifdef HAVE_LCD_BITMAP"...
18:08:45	XavierGr	E.g xxx2wav.h has extern mp3buf
18:08:50	_FireFly_	recorderv2 there gets the size decreased :)
18:08:58	Lear	(For the get_image_id function at least...)
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18:09:06	XavierGr	Then I want to call it from a plugin E.g midi2wav.
18:09:38	XavierGr	I decalred again extern mp3buf but I got undefined reference.
18:10:50	_FireFly_	ajbrec.ajz -16bytes rockbox.ucl -26bytes rombox.ucl -16bytes
18:10:54	_FireFly_	Lear: oops
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18:10:57	Lear	Plugins can't access stuff in the main binary through extern. Must go through the API, and it contains a function for the mp3buf, I think.
18:10:58	_FireFly_	fixed
18:11:43	_FireFly_	after ifdef out the get_image_id fn the player size doesn't change
18:12:03	_FireFly_	outch
18:12:48	_FireFly_	i shouldn't compile the patched version in both build-dirs one unpatched and the other patched
18:14:44	Lear	_FireFly_: If you update the patch reasonably soon, I could probably get it committed today...
18:15:19	XavierGr	preglow: nevermind seems that mp3buf is no longer used. I replaced it with filebuf and now it compiles.
18:15:25	_FireFly_	ok now the correct ones : rockbox.ucl +112bytes rombox.ucl +160bytes archos.mod +160bytes
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18:15:45	_FireFly_	Lear: it will be ready in ca 5-10 minutes :)
18:16:31	Lear	With reasonably soon, I meant within an hour or two, so no rush. :)
18:16:47	_FireFly_	ok ;)
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18:21:03	_FireFly_	Lear: i have now a slight modified version to jump over the BOM
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18:26:14	markun	I converted Arial Unicode to bdf as a test with otf2bdf. Doesn't look too bad: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/arialuni.png
18:27:46	Moos	that looks good !
18:28:23	XavierGr	how many ticks is a HZ?
18:28:41	_FireFly_	XavierGr: afaik 100
18:29:17	Lear	markun: how large is it? :) I know the ttf is something like 22 MB...
18:30:03	markun	5.4M for the bdf and 1.9M for the fnt
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18:32:58	amiconn	_FireFly_: All files you mentioned are firmware files of one archos or the other.
18:33:18	amiconn	ajbrec.ajz / archos.mod are the disk-loadable firmware files
18:33:49	amiconn	It's called archos.mod for the player, ajbrec.ajz for all others
18:34:20	amiconn	The .ucl files are various firmware files for rockbox in flash
18:34:48	amiconn	rombox.ucl is uncompressed, for running directly from ROM
18:35:02	_FireFly_	amiconn: thanks
18:35:22	amiconn	The size is equal to ajbrec.ajz/archos.mod +/- a few bytes
18:35:47	amiconn	(unless ajbrec.ajz has to be self-extracting, which is currently the case for recorder v1)
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18:36:14	amiconn	rockbox.ucl is compressed, to be extrcated by the flash bootloader
18:36:47	amiconn	These can be used if rombox isn't possible or wanted
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18:41:14	linuxstb	I understand the reasoning behind crossfeed, but can someone explain why I might want a "mono-mode" where L+R is sent to both the left and right channel? (I've read someone request it as a feature for their dream DAP)
18:41:35	_FireFly_	Lear: updated on tracker
18:42:23	preglow	god knows
18:42:30	preglow	it's a possibility in archos rockbox
18:44:05	markun	linuxstb: The only reason I can think of is that it might sound less like it would come from the center of your head.
18:44:28	markun	But I haven't tried it
18:46:50	preglow	ehh
18:46:57	preglow	it'll sound just like it comes from the center of your head
18:47:01	preglow	since both channels are equal
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18:48:03	_FireFly_	ok the recorderv1 has following changes in the code-size:
18:48:26	preglow	hrmph
18:48:30	preglow	battery time isn't very good with ogg
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18:48:48	linuxstb	preglow: Have you been testing?
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18:52:00	_FireFly_	rockbox.ucl: -4039 Bytes rombox.ucl: -6260 Bytes ajbrec.ajz: -84074 Btyes ... but the firmware is compressed at lest the ajbrec.ajz
18:52:29	_FireFly_	Build firmware file
18:52:29	_FireFly_	error: firmware image is 205634 bytes while max size is 204800!
18:52:29	_FireFly_	Image too big, making a compressed version!
18:52:56	preglow	linuxstb: not as such, no, but i just notice it
18:53:13	preglow	i've been playing oggs for perhaps five hours or so, and the battery is half full
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19:01:47	^BeN^	another error with cygwin
19:01:52	^BeN^	some one can help?
19:01:57	^BeN^	this is the message
19:01:58	^BeN^	http://ilunix.org/ph?187
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19:10:00	_FireFly_	^BeN^: so that what the message say
19:10:25	_FireFly_	^BeN^: do that i mean
19:10:37	^BeN^	what?
19:10:38	^BeN^	=\
19:10:49	^BeN^	i think its ok now
19:10:57	_FireFly_	??
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19:11:40	^BeN^	mm idont know the world to say that
19:11:41	^BeN^	=\
19:11:51	^BeN^	bad engilsh=\
19:12:53	_FireFly_	^BeN^: does your cygwin now work `??
19:12:54	lostlogicx	lostlogicx.com/transfer/profile.parsed.out">http://lostlogicx.com/transfer/profile.parsed.out <−− I've started writing a parser for my profiling stuff (in Java of all things)
19:13:02	lostlogicx	but I don't know how to lookup the rest of the symbols that aren't in .map files.
19:13:05	^BeN^	yes
19:13:09	^BeN^	now it works
19:13:12	_FireFly_	ok
19:13:19	^BeN^	=]
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19:45:23	preglow	nooooooo :///
19:45:25	preglow	no moro java :/
19:45:39	preglow	lostlogicx: you mean static symbols?
19:45:42	preglow	not much you can do about them
19:45:52	preglow	apart from unstaticfying them for profiling
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19:52:02	^BeN^	i cant make only one file from the rockbox source?
19:52:52	preglow	why'd you want that?
19:53:12	preglow	if you're using make properly, it should only be compiling the files you have changed anyway
19:55:38	^BeN^	i want to change plugin
19:55:51	^BeN^	the source..
19:56:02	^BeN^	and want to compile it
19:56:16	^BeN^	and i need only one file to compile
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20:00:15	preglow	preglow's amazing counting ipod!
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20:00:43	preglow	^BeN^: use make like everyone else
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20:01:14	^BeN^	and it compile all of the files? @@
20:01:23	preglow	the first time, yes
20:01:31	preglow	but after that it only compiles what you've changed
20:02:45	^BeN^	ok i wiil try
20:02:48	^BeN^	will
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20:27:31	lostlogicx	preglow: Java is what I do for work, so it was easiest to hack up.
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20:27:59	lostlogicx	preglow: I don't think all of the missing symbols are statics, I think that going through the codec API masks all of the callers that call into the API to the codec or something
20:28:26	preglow	lostlogicx: ahh, but that's not very much of a problem, is it
20:28:37	preglow	lostlogicx: it's the codec itself you want to profile
20:29:01	lostlogicx	preglow: yeah, suppose not −− still trying to figure out where some of the heavy time users that were not identified came from.
20:29:06	lostlogicx	maybe static.
20:30:26	lostlogicx	but anywho, profiling itself works, which is exciting and the output is parsable which is also exciting.
20:30:58	preglow	it does?
20:30:59	preglow	w00t
20:31:06	preglow	i can try to code a perl .map parser some day
20:31:16	preglow	still don't feel like installing java, heh
20:31:17	_FireFly_	preglow: or python ;)
20:31:29	preglow	_FireFly_: yeah, i _could_ do that, if python wasn't shit
20:32:12	lostlogicx	preglow: not only did I use Java, but I used Java 1.5
20:32:22	preglow	i have no idea what version java is at :/
20:32:27	_FireFly_	preglow: why ??
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20:32:45	lostlogicx	1.5 has generics (like C++ templates) which I wanted to try out.
20:32:53	preglow	_FireFly_: it's an unexciting language, and ugly too
20:33:04	preglow	lostlogicx: god damn, the generic syntax in java is ugly
20:33:10	_FireFly_	why ugly ??
20:33:12	lostlogicx	haha
20:33:13	preglow	makes the c++ template syntax look like flowers under a blue sky
20:33:26	lostlogicx	posts the source for the java profile parser
20:33:30	preglow	_FireFly_: because i think it is, it's a subjective thing, you know ;)
20:33:55	_FireFly_	the same i could say about perl ;)
20:34:13	*	preglow huggles perl
20:34:32	preglow	doesn't need me to spell out every little thing
20:34:40	lostlogicx	lostlogicx.com/transfer/profile_reader.tar.gz">http://lostlogicx.com/transfer/profile_reader.tar.gz
20:34:57	_FireFly_	preglow: ??
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20:38:22	Mindship-02	My iRiver H140 just hangs... I was playing a song and decided to play another (a 64kbit one). I happend to run the original iRiver firmware I couldn't find anything on the internet. What should I do?
20:38:34	preglow	python makes me spell things out in boring detail, i want to do s/python/n00bton/ foreach @mylines, god damnit!
20:38:37	Mindship-02	no button responds anymore...
20:38:47	preglow	Mindship-02: reset it?
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20:39:04	Lear	preglow: for f in mylines:
20:39:11	Mindship-02	preglow: k. thx
20:39:12	Lear	regex not quite that compact.
20:39:18	preglow	Lear: exactly, heh
20:39:24	preglow	still, it's not just that
20:39:30	preglow	python mostly only has one way of doing things
20:39:42	_FireFly_	preglow: for line in myline: line.replace("python", "n00ton") ;)
20:39:44	Lear	but generally more readable. Sometimes when I look at perl I just see some weird stuff that is impossible to decipher...
20:39:57	preglow	Lear: sure, it's possible to do that
20:40:08	Mindship-02	It is supposed to play 64kbit files even with original firmware isn't it?
20:40:13	preglow	Mindship-02: mp3?
20:40:31	preglow	Mindship-02: yes, of course it is
20:40:42	Mindship-02	just asking ;-)
20:40:55	preglow	no reason it shouldn't, especially not for mp3
20:41:03	lostlogicx	preglow: perl's flexibility is both its greatest strength and its greatest weakness
20:41:10	Mindship-02	Lets find something to stick up its back...
20:41:13	preglow	lostlogicx: as with anything greatly flexible
20:41:58	preglow	but no, i found coding pythong boring, plain and simple
20:42:04	preglow	so i saw no need to stick with it
20:42:21	_FireFly_	you could also try ruby ;)
20:42:27	preglow	if i need to, heh
20:42:40	preglow	first i need something to use it for
20:42:46	preglow	or i'll just forget it again
20:42:47	Lear	Huh? How can a debugf at a certain place cause simulator crashes?
20:43:03	_FireFly_	why don*t use the gdb ??
20:43:51	_FireFly_	or have i missed something ??
20:43:53	Lear	Says pretty much nothing... (To me anyway)
20:44:40	Lear	Ah, silly me, tried to print something larger than the debugmembuf... :/
20:44:45	preglow	hahaha
20:45:13	Lear	Having it limited to 200 bytes in the simulator of all places looks a bit silly, really...
20:45:29	Mindship-02	preglow: It's back and running. Thanks for your service, please claim your $20 @iRiver (sorry, bad joke. I do appreciate it)
20:46:50	preglow	Mindship-02: no problem, you might want to remember that solution for future reference
20:47:09	Mindship-02	hahaha... well, it was my first crash :-P
20:47:09	_FireFly_	or write it in the wiki
20:47:37	preglow	i always carry a screwdriver with me now
20:47:38	preglow	hehe
20:47:45	Mindship-02	I think I might go and write some things for the wiki after my exams
20:47:48	preglow	it's been a long time since it locked up, but it does happen
20:47:58	Lear	_FireFly_: I wrote a small program in ruby, just for fun. And lo and behold, it did manage to surprise me... :)
20:47:58	Mindship-02	I gotta study now! bye!
20:48:03	preglow	bye
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20:48:50	_FireFly_	afaik you can use only ruby for all propose on scripting in a website
20:49:39	_FireFly_	no cgi/php
20:49:42	preglow	sure
20:49:49	preglow	nothing beats mod_perl/mason anyway :-)
20:49:59	_FireFly_	fight ;)
20:50:06	lostlogicx	Hmm, so why can't we extract symbol names from PC location for static symbols?
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21:08:49	Maxime	someone thought about my wps-pb ?
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21:10:04	Maxime	whe I try to load DancePuffDuo, the wps is loading, then stops while showing a line like "%0.2" .. and the player hangs
21:10:24	hshah	can any dev commit my wps?
21:10:33	hshah	TiMiD doesn't seem to have gotten round to it
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21:18:41	_FireFly_	Maxime: in the sim it loads here fine
21:18:57	Maxime	it's this morning daily build
21:19:15	_FireFly_	maybe my new wps-file-loader fixes the problem or it is fixed in the latest cvs
21:19:34	Maxime	ok
21:19:35	Maxime	i'll try
21:20:57	Lear	Just tried it with the new loader, worked just fine.
21:21:29	Lear	A few other had minor glitches, like one or a few cases of texts running into graphics, but I don't know if that's because the new wps loader...
21:24:10	_FireFly_	lear ??
21:25:18	_FireFly_	Lear: maybe the used wpses had used the %we or %wd tag in line which alignes the text above or beyond the graphics
21:25:26	Lear	I think in engineeer2, the bps display was a bit to the right.
21:25:38	Lear	I've fixed that - I think - for all WPS:es.
21:25:45	_FireFly_	how ??
21:26:08	Lear	Possibly not zeezayer; that one looked like it had vertical alignment problems.
21:26:13	Lear	Edited the *wps files...
21:26:18	_FireFly_	ah
21:26:22	Lear	(All, as in all in CVS...)
21:29:33	Lear	Looking good, so I think'll commit it...
21:29:58	_FireFly_	ok
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21:33:42	webguest20	Anyone who says perl isn't nice, look at this perl code: ''=~('(?{'.('+/@@_}'^'[]).+]').'"'.('{/_+_/%_'^')@<@=@]}').',$/})')
21:33:55	_FireFly_	and the result ??
21:34:05	webguest20	If that isn't self-documenting..
21:34:21	_FireFly_	it looks similar to brainfuck ;)
21:34:22	webguest20	(yes, that is actual perl code - run perl, paste that, press Ctrl-d)
21:35:55	petur	I can no longer 'make install' on the H3xx w32 sim: segmentation fault on some font :(
21:36:11	petur	do I need to update something else for unicode?
21:36:16	Lear	Yes you can, just ignore that...
21:36:52	petur	Lear? it says core dumped and it stops...
21:37:14	Lear	Core dump, yes, but shouldn't stop. I think. Doesn't stop make zip at least...
21:37:53	*	petur goes looking in the folder
21:38:37	Lear	Keeps going here (Cygwin)...
21:39:07	petur	you're right. it does. I don't like tools crashing like that tho..
21:39:11	petur	thnx
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21:45:46	_FireFly_	Lear the image-tags had to be already on there own line only for the %wd and %we tags this requirement is new :)
21:46:10	Lear	Really? Didn't look like that in the code, I thought...
21:47:10	_FireFly_	maybe i'm wrong but all wpses which i had sawn had the image-loading tags on a seperate line
21:47:38	_FireFly_	but it isn't a fault to say it
21:47:48	_FireFly_	that it now is really needed
21:48:13	Lear	It ignored remaining stuff afterwards, but only to ";" and doesn't need to start on first char...
21:48:53	Lear	I'll update the wps:es now.
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22:03:55	_FireFly_	Lear: right
22:04:04	Lear	I'll fix it though.
22:04:14	Lear	(Via a function, after all... :))
22:04:16	_FireFly_	:)
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22:12:21	lostlogicx	perplexity: on unit profiling works... slowly...
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22:26:54	_FireFly_	ok now only two patches from currently waiting to get tested and maybe commited :)
22:28:11	_FireFly_	*from me
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22:30:44	Lear	Which ones (Just curious... :) )
22:30:49	Lear	?
22:30:51	muesli_-	wohoo! 1,5mb for rockbox?
22:31:10	Lear	Just fonts...
22:31:16	muesli_-	:(
22:31:23	_FireFly_	Lear: remote-settings and combined-bitmap-support
22:31:32	muesli_-	an extra-font pack would be much better
22:31:44	muesli_-	got isdn only :(
22:31:49	Moos	extra wps pack too ;)
22:31:50	_FireFly_	also for wpses
22:32:03	petur	and plugins
22:33:02	muesli_-	hmpf
22:33:15	Lear	_FireFly_: Question is, should there be separate settings for all those?
22:34:12	petur	fonts take about half the space...
22:34:14	Lear	Combined bitmap is more useful, since it could make wps loading much faster...
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22:35:45	Lear	Though I'd sure like to see some sort of generalization to make the "image tag parsing" code more compact. :)
22:36:14	_FireFly_	Lear not all settings must be separate but i had it so in my old and obsolete remote-patch and i find it usefull if you can slect if the statusbar/scrollbar/icons should be shown or not is independently of the lcd
22:37:37	Midgey34	does combined bitmaps improve the "flickering" wps images?
22:38:08	Lear	No, just loaded in a different way...
22:38:16	Midgey34	no I knew that
22:38:25	_FireFly_	as the original iriver fw
22:39:03	Lear	But what the original fw does is irrelevant, and you know what the core devs feel about "option bloat". ;)
22:39:13	Midgey34	I was just wondering loading from one bitmap helped wps files that flicker (I understand what it is and does)
22:40:14	Lear	No, as loading is done once, before anything is rendered.
22:40:50	_FireFly_	Lear some of these settings are "needed" but not all if someone has an objection about it
22:40:53	Midgey34	ah I see
22:41:02	_FireFly_	e.g. the scroll-settings at least are needed
22:43:27	_FireFly_	i have startet an thread on rockbox-dev-ml about this
22:43:47	_FireFly_	s/startet/started
22:44:37	muesli_-	btw how often is rock.iriver been updated? with every edge?
22:45:15	muesli_-	rockbox.iriver
22:45:19	muesli_-	this one
22:47:18	muesli_-	l8er..
22:55:44	dpassen1	i hate relying on a patch
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22:56:40	_FireFly_	dpassen1: which patch ??
22:57:05	dpassen1	right now, amiconn's volume patch, but just in general i don't like having to compile my own
22:58:26	dpassen1	i'm glad the one i currently rely on is written by someone who is active and will update if it breaks
22:58:41	_FireFly_	:)
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23:01:32	dpassen1	someone on the forums had the same bug and i hope it was fixed in the last daily build
23:04:53	amiconn	Hmm.
23:05:33	amiconn	Anyone here who knows about enum wps tag parsing?
23:05:41	*	amiconn needs to fix the %pv tag
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23:05:46	_FireFly_	enum ??
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23:07:23	_FireFly_	amiconn: %pv returns the current volume
23:07:30	Lear	Just set intval to something between 0 and 9 in get_tag()?
23:07:30	amiconn	Yes, I know
23:07:32	dpassen1	amiconn: does your volume patch touch the replaygain parsing?
23:07:43	amiconn	dpassen1: Nope
23:07:55	amiconn	Lear: That's what I wonder about
23:07:57	Lear	Or what is the problem?
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23:08:14	dpassen1	can anyone confirm that Replaygain tags are not read for mp3s using the latest cvs?
23:08:15	amiconn	The code seems to set a value between 1 and 11
23:08:53	_FireFly_	yepp
23:09:03	Lear	So it can check for "no value available", I think...
23:09:05	_FireFly_	if volume = 100% the retval = 11
23:09:06	amiconn	apps/gui/gwps-common.c, line 572 (latest cvs)
23:09:37	Lear	It is decreased at line 1016, before being used.
23:09:37	amiconn	I need to adjust this calculation for dB volume
23:10:24	_FireFly_	1016 is the wrong line
23:10:35	_FireFly_	oops forget it
23:11:01	_FireFly_	i have my two other patches applied
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23:12:12	_FireFly_	the value itself not but the fn gets the value-1
23:12:40	amiconn	Hmm. I have to find something for testing. I don't use any of these tags which just resemble the statusbar in my own wps'es
23:12:40	dpassen1	the unicode commit must have changed the replaygain tag reading
23:12:57	Lear	Doubt it...
23:13:06	_FireFly_	amiconn: the boxes.wps uses this enum
23:13:21	amiconn	mmm
23:13:39	Lear	But you're right, it doesn't seem to work. I did think it was a bit louder actually... :/
23:13:44	amiconn	No single bundled theme for archos so far :(
23:13:52	dpassen1	Lear: same happened to me, i noticed it was louder
23:13:54	_FireFly_	ouch
23:14:56	_FireFly_	amiconn: at least the remote-wps version of the boxes wps should fit on the screen afaik
23:14:56	amiconn	Hmm. Basically this calculation is the same as the one for the player volume display...
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23:15:41	dpassen1	Lear: any ideas?
23:15:54	Lear	Not yet, just started looking...
23:15:57	_FireFly_	amiconn: afaik the enum splits the volume into 10 steps
23:16:04	amiconn	yes
23:16:09	dpassen1	do you use foobar to add the tags?
23:16:09	amiconn	Rather, 11 steps
23:16:39	_FireFly_	amiconn: yepp
23:16:43	_FireFly_	0 to 10
23:16:59	Lear	dpassen1: have you tested anything but mp3 by the way?
23:17:03	dpassen1	only have mp3
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23:18:17	dpassen1	i think it might have something to do with 'Always write ISO-8859-1 tags instead of UTF-16' option in foo_id3v2.dll
23:19:09	_FireFly_	dpassen1: if the tags are in ISO-8859-1 encoding then it shouldn't be a problem
23:19:13	Lear	If so, the latin1 to utf8 conversion done in id3.c is incorrect...
23:19:25	Lear	My tags are in latin1, so no.
23:19:36	dpassen1	its just ever since the unicode change, replaygain tags aren't read
23:19:45	_FireFly_	afaik ISO-8859-1 is latin1
23:20:25	Lear	Yep.
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23:20:51	_FireFly_	hi markun
23:21:04	markun	hi
23:21:16	_FireFly_	markun it seams that the latin1 to uf8 encoding is wrong in id3.c
23:21:36	Lear	Something doesn't work properly at least; don't know what yet...
23:21:41	_FireFly_	because the replaygain-tags aren*t read after unicode-support got commited
23:22:18	markun	replaygain in latin1??
23:22:45	amiconn	Bah
23:23:11	amiconn	markun: Any news regarding the convbdf core dump?
23:23:20	Moos	dpassen1: they worked fine here
23:23:24	Lear	No, seems like TXXX tags are skipped...
23:23:27	Moos	used foobar2k
23:23:37	markun	amiconn: no, not yet
23:23:43	Moos	ReplayGain tags works here
23:23:56	dpassen1	Moos: what are your foo_id3v2 settings?
23:23:57	markun	phaedrus961 had no problem with the starmap font and unicode.
23:23:58	_FireFly_	Moos: id3v1 or v2
23:24:08	Moos	v2
23:24:14	amiconn	markun: OS?
23:24:22	Lear	Sorry, checked wrong file. :)
23:24:24	markun	he's using linux, don't know the distro
23:24:39	amiconn	Hmm.
23:24:48	amiconn	Does it segfault for you?
23:24:52	_FireFly_	i had also no problem under linux
23:25:08	_FireFly_	no segfault or similar
23:25:14	amiconn	I'll test on my debian VM.
23:25:28	_FireFly_	at least i haven't it noticed
23:25:29	Lear	Yep, TXXX are parsed, but they contain two null-terminated strings. Unicode_munge was modified to handle that, but it doesn't work. I just get a "<" rather than the value.
23:25:37	Moos	dpassen1: just "write byte order marker BOOM in all string" option enabled
23:25:57	_FireFly_	it's BOM not BOOM ;)
23:26:09	Moos	sorry :)
23:26:17	amiconn	kaBOOM
23:26:19	dpassen1	Moos: not Always write ISO-8859-1 ...
23:26:34	Moos	FireFly:but here writen BOM
23:26:39	dpassen1	i have that checked and the BOM is greyed out
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23:26:52	Moos	me just this case enabled
23:26:55	_FireFly_	Moos: ??
23:27:01	Moos	yes?
23:27:04	_FireFly_	BOM = Byte Order Mark
23:27:09	Moos	yes :)
23:27:25	markun	amiconn: yes, it still does here as well
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23:27:32	_FireFly_	<Moos> FireFly:but here writen BOM << what wanted to say to me with that ?
23:27:41	dpassen1	i'm just glad someone else has the same problem i do
23:27:43	Moos	FireFly: sorry tried here XD
23:28:01	_FireFly_	*g+
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23:29:32	t0mas	hi
23:29:42	Moos	Hello
23:29:43	Lear	Ah, found it, I think. If unicode_munge encounters a latin1 string, it converts everything, but the returned length is only enough for the first string. Basically, the strlen() call at the end of that case is wrong...
23:30:33	Moos	dpassen1: maybe working here cause I use Français lang ???
23:31:00		Quit Amar ("CGI:IRC (EOF)")
23:31:09	Lear	So, it should be "*len = utf8 - utf8buf;" or something close to that...
23:31:46	Moos	markun: a propos now we are unicode, can we replace "francais" by "français"?
23:33:24	_FireFly_	good night everybody :)
23:33:46	Moos	night FireFly
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23:33:54	amiconn	Whoa, loading bitmapped wps'es takes ages
23:34:55	Lear	Indeed. :)
23:34:59	*	petur finds out his IRC client doesn't do unicode
23:35:30	amiconn	Lear: I tried loading boxes.rwps renamed to boxes.wps on archos...
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23:35:33	Bagder	petur: IRC is not using a defined charset
23:35:42	Bagder	so clients use whatever
23:36:10	petur	ah
23:36:24	amiconn	It works (bg graphic isn't displayed because it's still a bit too big), but ... zzz ... zzz ....
23:36:26	Bagder	most clients allow you to select utf8 or similar
23:37:26	Moos	Bagder: Hi, can the the filename of lang be changed?
23:37:34	Bagder	I wouldn't recommend that
23:37:56	Bagder	in fact, I'd dislike it a lot
23:38:14	Moos	ok, just wondering with unicode, cause francais doesn't exist ;)
23:38:15	amiconn	?
23:38:22	Bagder	yes
23:38:29	Bagder	but the files will be used all over
23:38:38	Bagder	even on systems that do not speak utf8-unicode
23:38:55	Bagder	like if I checkout the CVS sources on a system somewhere
23:38:56	*	amiconn doesn't get the point
23:39:03	Lear	Nope, seems like I was wrong about unicode_munge...
23:40:11	amiconn	The volume wps tag works :)
23:40:42	Moos	congrates
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23:45:20	Lear	No, replaygain should be read and parsed properly, but doesn't show up in id3 info for some reason...
23:45:36	dpassen1	is it being used though? music certainly seems louder
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23:46:50	Midgey34	hmm what does everyone think of my sokoban edits?
23:46:51	Midgey34	http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7430/screendump25lh.png
23:47:02	Lear	should be, at least based on simulator behaviour...
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23:52:05	amiconn	markun: Confirmed, no convbdf segfault under linux. Weird...
23:54:14	markun	yes, that is weird.
23:54:15	Lear	He, turns out I was right anyway. For some reason, it worked in the simulator... :/
23:54:26	Lear	(Without my fix...)
23:54:43	dpassen1	you have a patch?
23:54:53	Lear	Soooon... :)
23:54:57	dpassen1	thanks
23:55:02	dpassen1	its greatly appreciated
23:55:22	amiconn	Lear: endianess problem?
23:55:56	Lear	Nope, unicode patch terminated "multiple string" ID3V2 chunks too early.

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