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#rockbox log for 2005-12-25

00:00:29andrewmeli have the patch.exe open, now what?
00:01:31Bagderyou have a full dev environment and can build rockbox fine from source?
00:01:51andrewmelahhhhm, nope. i have looked at that, and thought it too much
00:02:01andrewmelbut i come back from cambodia late jan
00:02:07Bagderpatches are source code changes
00:02:32andrewmeland thought i would have a go at converting my java (small) and pascal (v. good but rusty) skills to c
00:02:38andrewmeland see what i can write.
00:03:08andrewmelso i think i will leave that patch and hope it gets added before i get back
00:03:39andrewmeli am wanting to add .cfg browsing to the quick menu for the h3xx
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00:05:49webguestIm looking to get an iPod soon. If Rockbox does work on the iPod, how will it read the MP3 files, since I understand they are stored in a special database on the iPod's HD.
00:06:11webguestif they are not in this database, then I understand the iPod can't access the MP3 files
00:06:51BagderRockbox on ipod doesn't use the itunesdb
00:07:18webguestso I can use drag-and-drop in My Computer, then iPod rockbox can play the files?
00:07:39Bagderat least once it starts working correctly ;-)
00:07:50webguestcool. I was thinking, when Rockbox works on the iPod, it would be awesome if you could choose the colour for your wps!
00:08:04Bagderof course
00:08:09Bagderthere are people working on that
00:08:11webguestfor example, choose text colour or background colour to your choice
00:08:23nathanhwebguest: you can do that right now
00:08:39nathanhwebguest: you can pick the foreground colour and background colour for any line on the display, they can even be rainbow coloured
00:08:42webguestAnd will the iPod WPS have peakmeters?
00:08:49webguestcool! Looking forward to it!
00:09:09Bagderwebguest: you can assume that ipod Rockbox will do as much as possible of what Rockbox can do on the other platforms
00:09:20webguestoh right
00:09:28Bagderat least if enough people join in
00:09:28webguestWell i'll keep my eye on the development.
00:10:07webguestIm just wondering what commands will be used to determine WPS colour, for example R53 G42 B23 (red green blue)
00:10:52nathanhthe patch on sourceforge uses %CfRRGGBB or %CbRRGGBB
00:11:35webguestim sure it will be much more idiot-proof when iPodbox is released
00:12:29muesli__ipodbox sounds nice ;)
00:13:16webguestyea ;-)
00:13:24webguestDoes anyone here already have an iPod?
00:13:47Bagderpreglow and linuxstb have done the ipod port work so far
00:13:55Bagderthey of course have ipods
00:14:02nathanhipod nano also ... whee
00:14:08nathanhi want rocknano
00:14:16webguestI was gonna ask how good battery life is
00:14:29Bagderit is a bit premature to ask that
00:14:41BagderRockbox doesn't yet work properly on ipod
00:15:21webguestI mean on the iPod in general
00:15:29*Bagder has no clue
00:15:54nathanhgoogle will know
00:16:05Bagdermr google is a nice chap
00:16:12webguestyea he is
00:16:15webguestjust like you
00:16:17nathanhbit of a know it all though
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00:16:54andrewmelbetter a know it all than a know nothing
00:17:17webguestIm torn between the white and the black iPods
00:17:48Paul_The_NerdWell, white is very iPod... but black is very "Oh, I don't want to have a _white_ iPod"
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00:17:59muesli__black is kewl
00:18:07nathanhblack is teenage cool
00:18:13nathanheverybody knows red is the coolest
00:18:27muesli__white ones look foolish like all others
00:18:35Paul_The_Nerdblack is only cool when accompanied by silver.
00:19:55andrewmelblack is also cool when there is a little blue button in the middle :)
00:20:05andrewmelit shows you did your homework
00:21:08muesli__you've got a strange school system down under ;)
00:21:44Paul_The_NerdI want an MP3 player embedded in an old pocket watch. Replace the clockwork, take the dial off and replace it with an LCD screen that shows the time but can also be switched to the file browser. That's *my* ideal MP3 player. Someone, go make one for me. Shoo.
00:22:44webguestThe world's smallest MP3 player is no bigger than a sugarcube
00:24:39Paul_The_NerdIs that the mobiblu cube?
00:24:47Paul_The_NerdBecause if it is, it's not actually the smallest
00:24:50webguestsaw it in my local Dixons the other day
00:24:54Paul_The_NerdThere's one that's a bit longer, but flat. It's less volume though
00:25:34Paul_The_NerdI kinda want the mobiblu 1gb cube just as a "neat thing to add to my keychain because it doesn't have enough gadgets on it yet"
00:26:11webguestyea but to make it that small, ur more likely to lose it or break it
00:27:07Paul_The_NerdThe cube is at least aluminum, which is nice.
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08:21:24VagueRantI understand it's not particularly relevant to Rockbox, but does anyone feel like helping me out with my T20 (or directing me to someone who would feel like helping me out?)
08:26:28VagueRantNever mind, I seem to have figured it out.
08:26:38VagueRantCheers for the great work on Rockbox.
08:26:43VagueRantHave a merry Christmas.
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08:26:57sbingnerhey anybody here have any info on the MBUS protocol?
08:29:14sbingneror know how I can pull down the voltage on a signalling interface from 12V to 5V
08:38:57Slasheriif you are using the serial port (rs232), you will need a rs232 converter. For example max232 can do that
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09:19:27Slasherihehe, i just realised that tags can be also changed directly using the tagcache :) they are not (yet) changed from the real files, but can be changed from the cache and all changes written to a file for further processing using a pc
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11:30:06muesli__hum? :D
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12:15:13Sananyone here?
12:27:38SanI just installed a new HardDrive into my H300 and it works fine in the iRiver Firmware but when I try to boot in the rockbox firmware I just get the first 3 lines of code stuff that normally comes up when you boot. Yes... I have put the latest Dailybuild on.
12:27:47SanCan anyone help?
12:29:42SanOh, BTW, I cant hear the HD spin up
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12:32:32Weazel_no partitions?
12:33:38Sandont thinkso
12:33:49SanI put it in, then opend norton partition magic
12:33:52Sanoh, wait, yeah
12:33:55Weazel_formated fat 32?
12:34:00Sani made one big partition
12:34:05Weazel_thats good
12:34:07Sanand yes, it is fat32
12:34:12Weazel_should work
12:34:24Sanit doesn't get past the first 3 lines
12:34:34Weazel_formated on computer or iriver?
12:34:39Sanbut as I said, it works in the iriver firmware and on tge PC
12:34:41Santhe PC
12:34:53Weazel_try bought heh
12:35:20Weazel_i think mysticriver has some topics about it
12:35:32Sanyeah, i followed thoee
12:36:22Weazel_just keep trying
12:36:33Sani am
12:38:25Sani can hear something now
12:38:29San(I opend it
12:38:36Sanit kinda clicks
12:38:43Santhen again
12:38:50Santhen it sounds like it just turns off
12:38:52Weazel_is the hd ok?
12:38:58Sanbran new
12:39:08Weazel_run a chkdsk /f
12:39:14Sanah, yeah
12:39:24Sanwill try
12:40:41Sanusually takes about 20mins, right>
12:41:32Weazel_shorter i think
12:41:53Sanah, ok
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12:42:44Sanalright, I'll let this run
12:42:50Santhanks, and merry christmas
12:43:01Weazel_you too
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12:47:36speed123I just want to say that the rockbox on H3xx is kind of blue, i mean the standard background. . Why not full bright white?
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12:51:44Sanyou can change it
12:51:58Sanmine was red and black
12:52:19speed123u can? how?
12:52:49Sanhave you got the source?
12:53:29speed123what source? i installed RB on my player
12:54:45Sandownload that
12:56:30Sanok, unxip it
12:56:37Sanwith winrar
12:57:08speed123one moment
12:58:00Sanfollow steps 1-6 there
12:59:15Sanjust tell me when its done
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13:01:08speed123well i am not a developer, i will try it someday... maybe somebofy can build a code to set the color in RB. .. but tnx
13:02:15Sanyeah, I am doing that ATM
13:02:23Sanyou dont need to be a dev BTW
13:02:34Sanloads of people on MR have done it
13:04:34speed123let me know when you got the setting done so i can just copy the bleeding egde
13:05:06Sanwhy dont you just try it?
13:05:12SanIt is increadbly simple
13:05:17Sanit looks hard though
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13:31:26Slasheriamiconn_: hi, would you like to try if the tagcache compiles / works on archos? i doubt it does without small changes
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13:37:08Sanstill isn't working after the diskcheck
13:37:29Slasheriwhat isn't working?
13:37:58SanI just installed a new HardDrive into my H300 and it works fine in the iRiver Firmware but when I try to boot in the rockbox firmware I just get the first 3 lines of code stuff that normally comes up when you boot. Yes... I have put the latest Dailybuild on.
13:37:59Santhat ^^
13:38:19Sando I need to install the bootloader again?
13:38:22Slasherioh, interesting
13:38:26Slasherino need for that
13:38:42Slasheribut write down the lines what the bootloader says
13:38:56Slasheriprobably you have rockbox.iriver missing, wrong partition table or something like that
13:39:47Sanrockbox.iriver is there
13:40:01Sanit says the normal first 3 lines
13:41:13Sanwhen i listed close it clicks twice and then makes a sound as if the hard drive turns off
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14:42:37Sanstill no luck
14:43:41Weazel_try to format it with the player?
14:43:47Sanit says it cant
14:45:03Sani click format
14:45:08Santhen is says are you sure
14:45:11Sani say yes
14:45:22Santhen it says click navi to confirm
14:45:30Sanand stop to exit
14:45:33Sani click navi
14:45:39SanAnd it says it cant format
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14:46:51Sani have a logical partition and an extended partition
14:46:55Santhats right, right?
14:47:36Weazel_think you should have 1 partation
14:47:56SlasheriSan: that is not right, you should have just one partition
14:48:12Slasheriand you can't create that partition by using windows standard tools
14:48:30SanI am using swissknife now it is is looking good so far
14:48:47Slasherigood, then you need to create one primary partiion
14:48:54SanI did that
14:48:59*San is testing now
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14:50:57Santhanks guys
14:51:21SanI am going to transfare all the music back, (again)
14:51:24Santhanks again
14:51:28SanHappy Christmas
14:54:47Weazel_hmm it should work somehow
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17:17:53Paul_The_NerdOkay, got a Nano, put the bootloader on it. It *seems* to work fine, but then doesn't seem to load rockbox (and if I remove rockbox.ipod, it says loading original firmware, then sits on that screen.) So, hopefully someone to whom this is useful spots this in the log. (And hopefully it's really merely an error on my end.)
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21:01:39Papricathe site of eli isnt down
21:01:44Sanit is for me
21:01:44Papricawe open new site
21:01:55Sanlol, cool
21:03:25Sani need to download all the plugins again, so its good they are here all in one
21:04:14Sanhey, I need your help for one thing
21:04:39SanI learned C really fast on my own and I dont know how to make a nother menu inter the display menu in the source
21:04:43SanCan you tell me how
21:04:57SanI think everything else I am going to do will work
21:05:07Sanwhat File and where do I need to edit?
21:05:41Papricayou want to edit the main menu?
21:05:50Sanunder display
21:06:16Papricawait a minute brb
21:06:50SanI wana try get this done By Tomorrow, My Christmas presient to Misticriver
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21:17:09Sanany ideas?
21:17:29Papricai have some image for you
21:19:11Sanway ahead of me
21:20:02Sanhow did you do that?
21:20:03Papricayou want to edit it too?
21:20:09Papricaor want mine
21:20:16Sanwell, not like that.
21:20:29SanI was going to edit a color changer menu under display
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21:21:28Sanso, could you guid me through how to make the extra menu
21:21:45Papricaedit this file
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21:23:15Papricatry to understand how the menu work
21:23:20Papricaand build your own
21:24:03Paul_The_NerdAny of the iPod people at-keyboard?
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21:27:45Sancould you edit in one please
21:27:54Sani'm not an expert at C like you
21:29:45Papricaim not expert
21:29:59Sanbetter than me
21:30:09Papricaim learn c like you
21:30:34Sandid you base bricks on solitar?
21:30:54Sancause I was looking through the source and it says /* this shuffles the cards*/
21:30:56Papricamm yep
21:31:00Papricasolitaire code
21:31:08Papricahelp me to understand
21:31:43Papricaim use solitaire code yes
21:31:48Papricacuz this is my first plugin
21:31:58Sanit is awesom
21:31:59Papricaand 2nd week of c
21:32:01Sanone of the best
21:34:59Papricayou can doenload tetrox from the site?
21:35:16Sanbut I have to go through 2 pages
21:35:53Papricafucking lycos
21:36:47Sani would let you host it on my site
21:36:53Sanbut I only have 5mb left
21:37:31Sanwill you edit that piece of code for me really quick please?
21:38:12Sanunless your busy...
21:38:32Papricawhich code?
21:38:48Sanadding an extra menu inder display
21:39:38Papricaits very easy
21:39:51Sanwhat Do I do?
21:40:13Papricago to line 1611
21:40:37Papricayou can see all the items in the menu
21:40:38*San counts
21:41:08San1611, check
21:41:33Papricaadd your option
21:41:47Paprica{ "name in the menu", function },
21:42:05Sanah, ok
21:42:06Papricastatic const struct menu_item items[] = {
21:42:27Sanah, its easy now
21:42:32Papricai hope that you write a function allready
21:43:07Papricagood luck
21:44:44Sanand how do I add a sub menu to that?
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21:46:59Papricain pm
21:49:29San#ifdef HAVE_LCD_BITMAP
21:49:29San { ID2P(LANG_BARS_MENU), bars_settings_menu },
21:49:29San { ID2P(LANG_PM_MENU), peak_meter_menu },
21:49:29DBUGEnqueued KICK San
21:49:29San { ID2P(LANG_DEFAULT_CODEPAGE), codepage_setting },
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21:49:29San#ifdef HAVE_LCD_COLOR
21:49:32San{ ID2P(LANG_COLOR_MENU), color_settings_menu },
21:49:36San };
21:49:38Sanwill that work?
21:50:27Papricait look fine
21:50:34Papricatry it
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21:54:20Sandamn cygwin1.dll error
21:54:29Sanbrb while this thing searches for more..
21:58:01Sanok, make in progress
21:58:15gursikhy0 san
21:58:51gursikhmerry holidays and all that, how are you?
21:59:04Sanyou too
21:59:06Sani'm good
21:59:30***Alert Mode OFF
21:59:33gursikhsame, chillin at my friends house in NJ
22:10:22Sandid't work
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22:56:53San||Away ~/tools>bmp2rb rblogo.bmp
22:56:57San||Away error - can't open 'rblogo.bmp'
22:57:03San||Awaywhat Am i Doing Wrong?
22:57:10San||Awaythe Image Is In The Folder
22:57:38Bagderthe tool can't open the bitmap file for some reason
22:58:04San||Awayi tryed a 16color, a 24color and a 256
22:58:07San||Awayand nothing :\
22:58:16Bagderthis is a more basic fault than that
22:58:22Bagderthis is open() failing
22:58:57San||Awayit was the small rb logo on
22:59:11San||Awaythen opened it in paint and saved it as a bmp
22:59:16Bagderagain, this is not an issue with the contents or anything
22:59:27Bagderthis is rather a file property or the file still being used or similar
23:00:04San||Awayanother question
23:00:13San||Awaywhen building the source
23:00:23San||Awayit is normal to get a load of code at the end?
23:00:28San||AwayOBJCOPY rockboy.rock
23:00:28San||Awayrm /home/guest/build/apps/plugins/rockb
23:00:28San||Awayip8.elf /home/guest/build/apps/plugins/
23:00:28DBUGEnqueued KICK San||Away
23:00:28San||Awayins/wormlet.elf /home/guest/build/apps/
23:00:28San||Awayld/apps/plugins/snake2.elf /home/guest/
23:00:30San||Awaylike that?
23:00:41San||Awaydoesn't say error or anything
23:00:57Bagderyou mean a lot of _text_
23:01:04Bagderthen yes
23:01:36San||Awayit is a load of paths leading to .elf files
23:01:54San||Awayah, ok
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23:09:04linuxstbBagder: I'm glad you're around. I've been working on making the Rockbox build system use .bmp files directly instead of including the output of bmp2rb directly in the C files.
23:09:28Bagdera worthy task!
23:09:45linuxstbBasically, I've created a directory apps/bitmaps/ which includes the bmp files, a SOURCES file and a Makefile. This creates a libbitmaps.a
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23:10:09*Paul_The_Nerd is having issues with the ipodport.
23:10:37linuxstbAt the moment, this contains both bmps for core rockbox (just the splash logo) and plugins (just sudoku)
23:11:10linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: Yes, I've seen your occasional messages. What's the problem?
23:11:19Paul_The_NerdI can't get past the bootloader at all
23:11:39Paul_The_NerdIt seems to install properly. I seen the logo/penguin and the various informations. If rockbox.ipod and .rockbox are present it says it's loading, then nothing happens.
23:11:55Paul_The_NerdIf rockbox.ipod is not present, it gives the -1 and says it's loading the original FW. Then nothing happens.
23:12:12linuxstbYes, loading the original firmware is broken at the moment.
23:12:27linuxstbWhat is the last line displayed when it fails to load rockbox.ipod ?
23:12:35Paul_The_NerdThe one that says it's loading rockbox.
23:12:38Paul_The_NerdIt hangs on that line.
23:13:11linuxstbDo you have the 2GB or 4GB Nano?
23:14:35linuxstbDoes Rockbox display the size and name of your flash disk correctly?
23:14:50linuxstb(I mean the bootloader)
23:15:16Paul_The_NerdI don't recall. I restored the original. If you'll be here when I get back, I'll reboot into linux and move it over. (I can't get my wifi drivers working on it, or I'd just use it.)
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23:16:39linuxstbOne obvious question - is it a "winpod" or a "macpod"? (i.e. FAT32 or HFS)
23:19:48Paul_The_NerdI'm using the bootloader from CVS. Are there changes to the code that haven't been committed yet? The IpodPort pages mention some code that isn't committed for the buttondriver yet, at least.
23:20:05linuxstbThat's out of date - the button driver has been committed.
23:20:46linuxstbBut that's about it. My experimental audio code isn't committed, but that's all I think.
23:21:15linuxstbI'm not sure what to suggest. We need to ask preglow to confirm that the CVS bootloader works with the CVS version of Rockbox on his nano.
23:22:12linuxstbpreglow has a 2gb Nano - I hope that isn't the cause of the problem.
23:22:32Paul_The_NerdI seem to remember the size number starting with a 2, actually
23:23:33Paul_The_NerdBut I'm not really sure
23:26:22linuxstbBagder: There is one thing about the bmps I'm not sure of - whether to just have one large directory, or split it into apps/bitmaps and apps/plugins/bitmaps and then have libbitmaps.a and libpluginbitmaps.a
23:26:48Bagderlinuxstb: let's start with a single one
23:27:32Bagderof course plugins should be possible to separate so they should either be in the plugin dir in the future or in a plugins/bitmaps
23:28:22linuxstbAt the moment, there are no subdirectories in apps/bitmaps/ and there is a single SOURCES file covering both core and plugin bitmaps.
23:29:04linuxstbI think I'm tempted to split it now into apps/bitmaps and apps/plugins/bitmaps/
23:29:18linuxstbIf a plugin needs to use a "core bitmap", then we should export it via the plugin api.
23:29:19Bagderthat is probably a wise idea
23:29:55linuxstbIf I do that, then I'll put all the bmp Makefile code into tools/
23:30:39San||Awayhow do I make a menu i make appear in the menu on the player?
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23:31:41linuxstbYou need to add it to the main menu in main_menu.c
23:32:04Sanit is in settings_menu.c that I edited
23:32:34Santhere it is
23:32:50SanThe bit I edited has the space around it
23:33:05San(you will know where)
23:33:21SanCan you tell me what else To do?
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23:33:29Sanor if it will work
23:34:18linuxstbDoes it compile?
23:34:37Sanbut doesn't come up on the player
23:35:30linuxstbAre you sure it compiles? There is no closing } in your color_settings_test() function
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23:36:04Sanwell, I say it just there now go past the "settings_menu.c" as it is compiling again
23:36:17linuxstbBut anyway, you will need to add "Color Settings" to one of the other, existing menus.
23:36:19Sanlet me see at the end of it
23:36:27Sanwhich one?
23:36:35linuxstbWhichever one you want it to appear in.
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23:36:45linuxstbBagder: Goodnight.
23:37:21Sandisplay menu
23:37:21linuxstbThen add it in the display_settings_menu() function
23:37:24Sanwhat file is that
23:37:30linuxstbSame file.
23:37:31Sanah, ok
23:38:08Sanit all makes sence now
23:38:19Sanoh, wait
23:38:22Sanit already is
23:38:28Sanhave a look, is that right?
23:39:18linuxstbNo. The problem is the extra } you have added in that display_settings_menu() function. It shouldn't be there - it should be at the end of your color_settings_test() function.
23:39:32rayocan i test the latest rockbox build for h300 and later i can boot the original firmware and upgrade to the normal firmware?
23:41:04Sannow I have this
23:41:05San * Adjust the color of test
23:41:05San */
23:41:05Sanstatic bool color_settings_test(void) {
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23:41:05San bool retval = false;
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23:41:06San if (global_settings.color_settings_test) {
23:41:08San rb->lcd_set_foreground(LCD_BLACK);
23:41:09rayothanks, then i will test it
23:41:10San rb->lcd_set_background(LCD_DEFAULT_BG);
23:41:12San }
23:41:15San };
23:41:17Santhat right
23:41:21Sangood luck
23:41:34linuxstbYes - every { needs a }
23:41:44Sanah, ok
23:41:59Sanso its got your to try it out
23:43:33linuxstbHave you defined the function color_settings_background() ?
23:44:08Sannot yet
23:44:16SanI just want to test test
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23:46:02linuxstbIt won't compile without that function.
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23:49:16Paul_The_NerdOkay, "Rockbox Loaded" is still the last line
23:49:25Paul_The_NerdAnd it reports partition 1 as 3820 mb, so that's right.
23:49:53linuxstbSo it seems the ATA driver is working fine - it is reading the disk identify info.
23:50:04Sanoh, ok, I will just make it that same as the others
23:50:46Paul_The_NerdModel: nano, Checksum: 1FS1482 (the last 2 is off screen except for the leftmost pixels)
23:50:55Paul_The_NerdThen, on the next row, Sum: 1F21482
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23:51:25linuxstbThat's good - it means it's read rockbox.ipod from disk and calculated a checksum which matches the checksum stored in the header of rockbox.ipod
23:51:45linuxstbSo the disk reading is fine.
23:52:00Paul_The_NerdSo, it's just strangeness that it's not going anywhere *after* that?
23:53:09linuxstbThe only thing I can suggest it to disable the cache in the bootloader. To do that, you need to comment out the call to ipod_init_cache in firmware/system.c
23:53:33linuxstbYou need to do that and then recompile the bootloader.
23:55:08Paul_The_Nerdin system_init()?
23:56:22linuxstbYou could also try commenting out the call to ipod_set_cpu_speed as well.
23:56:31linuxstbBut I think the cache may help
23:57:01Paul_The_NerdI'll try the cache first then

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