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#rockbox log for 2005-12-29

00:01:46amiconnI didn't test on the player, but I expect similar figures as for the recorder
00:02:17 Part stripwax_
00:02:17amiconnThe CPU is a bit faster, but the HD (of my unit) is a bit slower - the ugly hitachi you know...
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00:04:31amiconnWoo, now this is fun: The aminet-weekly ml didn't work for over 15 months. Now it started working again, without resubscribing...
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00:05:24stripwaxhi again
00:05:40stripwaxanyone have tips for getting the H1x0 sim to output audio on win32?
00:06:31amiconnJust change the #undef ROCKBOX_HAS_SIMSOUND in autoconf.h to #define ROCKBOX_HAS_SIMSOUND 1 after configuring, then build the sim
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00:07:10stripwaxamiconn ah.. fab, thanks. why's the default 'no sound'? (also, why does it use 100% cpu?)
00:07:43amiconnI dunno why it defaults to 'no sound'. The x11 sim doesn't
00:09:26LinusNamiconn: why is there a "+" in front of all your messages?
00:09:36amiconnlostlogic: I can't find your patch in the tracker...
00:09:40amiconnLinusN: Hmm?
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00:09:48lostlogicamiconn: LinusN just committed it
00:10:00LinusNmaybe my irc client is acting up
00:10:44amiconnlostlogic: ah, nice
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00:13:25lostlogicbejewled is actually not LCD update limited sometimes now, I think.
00:14:30linuxstbamiconn: No-one seems to know why the win32 sim sound is disabled. I think I've seen everyone ask that question over the past couple of months.
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00:15:13stripwaxfrom the autoconf.h comment, it's looking for linux/soundcard.h , which is not where my cygwin has soundcard.h. of course, the comment could be wrong (I am digging)
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00:20:26stripwaxHrm, looks like tools/configure simply doesn't even bother calling the checksoundcard fn for win32 builds. (line 87). Who'd like to commit a fix?
00:21:25LinusNbetter work on the sdl port ;-)
00:22:23stripwax(and the autoconf comment is wrong, as it's actually looking for /usr/include/sys/soundcard.h)
00:23:02amiconnstripwax: checksoundcard probably won't work as-is for win32
00:23:22amiconnI don't know whether it would hurt to always enable sound support for win32
00:24:25stripwaxamiconn - why would checksoundcard not work? wffm
00:25:56amiconnBecause /usr/include/sys/soundcard.h is irrelevant for win32 sound
00:27:36stripwaxOh, right, I see what you mean. Yes; the check made by checksoundcard is meaningless but (since it sets the right flag) it works. I can't think of any reason why enabling sound always for win32 would hurt
00:30:11amiconnI don't know what happens when you run the binary on a PC without a soundcard.
00:30:30CtcpIgnored 5 channel CTCP requests in 1 day and 11 hours at the last flood
00:30:30*amiconn should just check this
00:32:34*stripwax will just check this now
00:33:09*amiconn is updating VMware first
00:33:24*stripwax is just running it after disabling the soundcard..
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00:34:05stripwaxwell, it behaves no better or worse than the build with the sound support #undef'd (i.e. it works, but sucks 100% cpu for no good reason)
00:34:43stripwaxalso pleased to know that my Auto Change Directory bug is reproducible in the sim :)
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00:48:17LinusNamiconn: i just tried your tagcache patch and it refuses to do a forced update
00:48:55ts-xLear/lostlogic - today's tremor commit appears to have solved all issues with my q9 files. Every song that I could remember skipping, no longer skips! Great work!
00:50:59amiconnLinusN: That's the verbatim copy of what Slasheri sent me. It works here, also on archos with the additional fix fix
00:51:06Papricabrickmania.c: In function `fire_space':
00:51:06Papricabrickmania.c:1137: warning: control reaches end of non-void function
00:51:13Papricawtf it wants?
00:51:18amiconnWhat happens if you force an update?
00:51:28linuxstbPaprica: A "return"
00:51:41Papricaint fire_space(void){
00:51:42Papricaint t,r;
00:51:42***Alert Mode level 1
00:51:42Papricareturn t*10+r;
00:51:55Papricai have return
00:51:55stripwaxYeah ,what if the if is false?
00:51:58LinusNamiconn: a splash saying "Updating on background" and then nothing (no disk access)
00:52:31amiconnHmm, strange.
00:52:55stripwaxPaprica - also, why isn't that just one loop from 0 to 29?
00:53:09amiconnI got this with an earlier patch, where Slasheri forgot to include main.c in the diff
00:53:21Papricayou right
00:53:31LinusNat least the thread is started this time
00:54:01amiconnAre you doing something special, like plugging or unplugging the charger?
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00:54:28amiconnThe tagcache thread currently has a bug, it reacts on arbitrary SYS_ events by stopping the scan
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00:54:49LinusNamiconn: it is plugged permanently
00:54:52stripwaxJungti1234 - wow. that's real pointless :)
00:55:15LinusNi just entered usb mode and removed all tagcache* files, and now it updates
00:55:55LinusNwould surely be nice with some sort of progress meter :-)
00:57:36Jungti1234 - This is D20.
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00:57:49Jungti1234It seems HPC.
00:58:59Papricaint fire_space(void){
00:59:00Papricaint t;
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00:59:00Papricareturn t;
00:59:00***Alert Mode level 4
00:59:05Papricawhy it returns
00:59:12Papricabrickmania.c: In function `fire_space':
00:59:13Papricabrickmania.c:1136: warning: control reaches end of non-void function
00:59:24LinusNPaprica: because it doesn't always return t
00:59:45Papricaoh good1
00:59:51LinusNif fire[t].top >= 0
00:59:59LinusNit doesn't return anything
01:00:36Papricayep ok 10q =]
01:02:18stripwaxPaprica - hrm, didn't I already say that earlier (i.e. when i said 'what if the if is false')
01:02:49Papricai dont saw that
01:03:32stripwaxwow, so a lookup in sram is quicker than evaluating (1<<bits)-1 ?
01:04:40LinusNsounds reasonable
01:05:18PapricaLinusN: thereis a wat to improve the keys repeat replay in the plugin?
01:05:48Papricareplay time*
01:07:43LinusNbut you can poll the raw key status instead of usung events
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01:09:02Papricai dont underdtsnd ehst you mesn
01:09:26LinusNrb->button_status() returns the current status of the buttons
01:09:52LinusNcall that as often as you like, and implement your own repeat
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01:10:04mirak_LinusN: in a plugin, the variables outside a function are stored into the binary and therefore into PLUGIN_RAM right ?
01:10:41mirak_LinusN: the variables inside a fuction are stacked on the stack wich is in IRAM ?
01:10:47Papricayou can give me an example?
01:11:02LinusNmirak_: yes
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01:11:51mirak_LinusN: so it's useless to try to optimise internal function variables
01:12:03mirak_I mean trying to put the in iram
01:12:13mirak_I guess yes too ...
01:12:50mirak_so in wich case did you needed to tweak the codecs so they use iram ?
01:13:00stripwaxPaprica - cube.c is probably a good example (I'm guessing)
01:13:01mirak_(I am trying to see how I could improve xvid plugin)
01:13:05linuxstbPaprica: You do button = rb->button_status(); and then check the value of button by doing something like if (button & BUTTON_LEFT)
01:14:04Papricamm ok
01:14:08Papricaim trying
01:14:15LinusNmirak_: move heavily used lookup tables from SDRAM to IRAm
01:14:22mirak_I ask that because the idct happens on 16*16 pixels blocks, and the method uses a buffer that's just a variable function. I guess nothing can be optimised at this level
01:14:38stripwaxLinusN - reckon it's bad that both mapping0.c and res012.c in Tremor define a static ilog fn?
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01:15:13mirak_LinusN: this lookup tables are the one used for quantization or idct cosinus ?
01:15:16LinusNstripwax: quite unnecessary
01:15:26LinusNmirak_: for example
01:15:53stripwaxmirak_ - trig tables are ideal candidates for moving into itam
01:16:43mirak_in fact it could be nice to have an idct lib
01:16:56mirak_in assembly
01:17:04mirak_probably I could reuse some
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01:18:58stripwaxwonder if lookup is faster than (1<<n) also
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01:19:40stripwax(i.e. res012.c line 297)
01:23:18stripwaxalso, it looks like icount is only counting bytes at most, so x = (x & 0xaa)>>1+(x&0x55); x = (x & 0xcc)>>2 + (x&0x33); return( (x>>4)+(x&0x0f)) should be quicker than the while loop in icount. maybe.
01:27:51Papricafuck!! 10q 10q 10q 10q 10q 10q
01:28:06Papricathe control is wonderfull now!
01:28:18stripwaxwhat is "10q 10q"?
01:28:36Papricathank u
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01:30:08stripwaxPaprica/Jungti - man, never seen that one before
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01:30:34amiconnstripwax: 1<<n is faster than lookup on coldfire
01:30:37muesli_-my "re" is missing!
01:30:46amiconnThe coldfire has shift-by-n instructions
01:31:25stripwaxamiconn yep. bit surprised that shift;decrement is slower than lookup.
01:31:31stripwaxamiconn - oh and thanks!
01:32:43muesli_-wohoo :D
01:32:52LinusNPaprica: pretty
01:32:53muesli_-bring em on
01:32:55stripwaxPaprica - ho! nice!
01:33:04LinusNgrayscale! grayscale!
01:33:05Papricapower ups ^^
01:33:29Jungti1234It developed much!
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01:35:21Jungti1234Update it.
01:35:35Papricai need to fix some little bugs
01:35:45Jungti1234hmm ok
01:36:38Jungti1234By the way, why can't eli's homepage connect?
01:36:59stripwaxnight all
01:37:13mirak_#define MAC16(rt, ra, rb) \
01:37:13mirak_ asm ("maclhw %0, %2, %3" : "=r" (rt) : "0" (rt), "r" (ra), "r" (rb));
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01:37:22Papricahis first website u mean
01:37:47mirak_I have seen that in a simple_idct.c file. I was wondering if coldfire have something equivalent to that instruction
01:38:09Papricahe delete it
01:38:28mirak_in the docs I only seen a accumulate on addition
01:38:39mirak_in EMAC. I am not sure though
01:38:41Papricamm cuz we open together site
01:38:48Jungti1234ah hehehe
01:38:58Jungti1234Its much better.
01:38:58mirak_LinusN: any idea about that ?
01:39:12LinusNi'm no emac expert
01:39:34mirak_from what I have read EMAC is in fact very limited
01:39:47mirak_there is few instructions. I though it was bigger
01:41:51Papricayou want picture of the glue too?=]
01:44:32Jungti1234Is it more?
01:46:20Papricanow there is only fire,glue,+life,-life
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01:49:54Papricalol somthing strange
01:50:00Papricain the simulatur
01:50:08Papricathe power ups go down to the pad
01:50:14Papricain the iriver
01:50:21Papricaits frezee in the place
01:51:14Jungti1234What is frezee?
01:51:40Papricanot move
01:51:48Jungti1234I know
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01:58:43curioHello all !
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01:59:26curiolaster H300 lcd patch brake playback with strange sounds
02:00:32curiorunning the same firmware build from cvs with old lcd-h300.c 1.7 works well
02:01:06LinusNcurio: "strange sounds"?
02:01:22LinusNworks fine for me
02:01:49curiohello linus: approx 1s correct sound, 1s numeric garbage, and so..
02:01:58Mongey|LinusN; is it true, that you and several other people have video at 20 fps?
02:02:26LinusNMongey|: i know nothing about video
02:02:43curioLinusN, i've tried only with mp3 sources, i' try with other sources
02:02:43LinusNcurio: i'm running the latest lcd patch with perfect sound
02:03:06Mongey|LinusN; ty
02:03:28curioLinusN, the only specificity is that i set the lcd refresh scrolling delay at minimum
02:03:44curioi try with lower settings
02:04:46curioLinusN, do you think it can be compiler-version specific ?
02:04:54LinusNi have no idea
02:05:27curiook i make some test
02:11:57Mongey|are you there
02:17:00curioLinusN, i cannot reproduce the error. I 've probably made a mistake with an unclean (patched) cvs local copy, sorry for the wrong report
02:17:10curioworks well now ;)
02:17:33curiowas a old bad apply of the lcd power off patch
02:18:29Mongey|LinusN; what you up to?working on anything?
02:18:53LinusNright now i'm looking at the iaudio x5
02:19:04curioabout lcd refresh, is it normal that sometimes sound skips when many screen refresh append ? (many scrolls)
02:19:10Papricablah why
02:19:15Papricaback to h300!!
02:19:24Mongey|i second that
02:19:28LinusNcurio: that can happen
02:19:52curiothat often append with very high bitrates mpc :)
02:23:23mirak_Mongey|: I am here
02:23:39mirak_ah someone stoll my nick
02:24:19Mongey|mirak_; any video updates for the h300
02:24:58mirak_Mongey|: nope
02:25:17mirak_Mongey|: only assembly could improve decoding speed probably
02:25:36Mongey|what do you mean?
02:25:38mirak_but well, rewriting idc in coldfire asm seems a lot of work
02:25:52mirak_decoding is to slow
02:26:15mirak_I am looking for trying mpge2 and see if it's faster
02:26:47mirak_if you know asm
02:26:54mirak_you are welcome :)
02:27:14Mongey|ah well
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02:27:45Mongey|what about having an alarm ?
02:28:05LinusNgah, the iaudio lcd is in 9-bit mode :-(
02:29:00mirakLinusN: hem may I ask you who is knowledgable in coldfire asm here ?
02:29:23LinusNamiconn is pretty good
02:29:24mirakI think linuxstb and preglow but are they only two ?
02:29:48LinusNi suspect you want some emac advice?
02:30:21mirakyes, I am reading the coldfire manual but that's pretty obscure
02:30:28LinusNit indeed is
02:30:42mirakwhat I am not sure is what it's worth putting in assembly
02:30:51mirakI have no idea what gcc do
02:30:53curiolastest h300 lcd patch nicely improve speed, songs in mpc at high bitrate with a long scrolling names do not skip anymore, that's great ! :) only plugins or a long filebrowser scroll still can
02:30:54LinusNi know my fair share of coldfire assempler, but i haven't worked with the emac
02:31:11LinusNcurio: good
02:31:15Mongey|mikearthur; pms
02:31:33mirakin fact for exemple, I have no idea how x=y+z would be translated into asm.
02:32:13mirakI tend to think that gcc would produce more code than needed but it's probably doing better asm than we could do
02:32:22mirakMongey|: what ?
02:33:04Mongey|would you be able to create an alarm so people could wake up to music
02:33:11Mongey|like this plugin,
02:33:15mirakno lol
02:33:21Mongey|now that the h300 has RTC support
02:33:25mirakI think only LinusN could do that safely
02:33:53mirakit needs to be done at bootloader level I think
02:34:02Mongey|LinusN; could , would you?
02:34:04mirakhem flashrom level
02:34:10LinusNrockbox has an alarm function, we just need to port it to the h300
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02:34:29LinusNwhat's with DrumRBoy320|Away ?
02:34:36mirakI am wondering that also
02:34:45Mongey|he likes itwhen people say rockbox
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02:34:53mirakok ...
02:34:54Mongey| rockbox
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02:35:17mirakrockbox rockbox
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02:35:22mirakah only once
02:36:09Mongey|anyway LinusN could you port it?
02:36:28muesli_-we could also call it progress..guess it was the first someone was kicked off that channel ;)
02:42:16curioh300 rockbox jump to the recording from internal mic function on power on (running cvs)
02:42:16***Alert Mode level 6
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02:42:40curioit make powerfull larsen effect on speakers,
02:43:06curiois this behaviour optionnal ?
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02:45:22LinusNthat felt good
02:45:33bagawkI would be lying if I did not try to kick DrumRBoy320|Away
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02:46:36bagawkLinusN: How are you, have not passed a word to you in a long time
02:46:45LinusNi'm fine i guess
02:46:57LinusNshould have gone to bed long ago ;-)
02:47:30LinusNi'm currently cursing the cowon engineers
02:48:31LinusNwell, they didn't build the lcd module, but they selected it...
02:49:09LinusNthe iaudio x5 lcd update will be even slower than the h300... :-(
02:50:06LinusNeach pixel will require two lcd writes
02:50:08bagawkLinusN: What kind of a update speed?
02:50:28mirakbonne nuit
02:50:44LinusNbagawk: the lcd is in 9-bit mode
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02:51:17LinusNmeaning we have to send the high- and -low 9-bit word in two separate writes
02:51:37LinusNthat sucks
02:51:55Mongey|LinusN; might aswell get back to the h300's
02:52:02LinusNthe funniest part is that the internal lcd gfx memory is 16 bits
02:52:25LinusNit just fakes the 18 bit rgb with hardware dithering
02:53:08LinusNso they could just as well have used the 16 bit interface, as i see it
02:54:07LinusNthis also means that we may have to have a 24- or 32-bit frame buffer
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02:54:51bagawkThat will eat memory like crazy
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02:55:33curiothey probably gain really little image quality gain with a high performance loss..
02:55:45curiois original iaudio x5 display fast ?
02:55:48LinusNi *think* we could get away with a 16-bit framebuffer and let the lcd update code convert it
02:56:17LinusNthe x5 displays video with an acceptable frame rate
02:56:35curiofaster or slower than the officiel h300?
02:56:53LinusNi don't know, i haven't played video on the h300
02:57:05curiooriginal h300 interface is not really responsive
02:57:06LinusNthe x5 lcd is a lot smaller than the h300
02:57:22LinusN160x128 iirc
02:57:25curioi wasn't thinking about video, i've never tried too
02:58:29LinusNthe x5 firmware is pretty responsive
02:59:07curioyep that's really smaller :)
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03:02:58muesli_-afaik the x5 plays videos with 15fps
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03:07:12ts-xThe H3xx official only does 10 fps I believe
03:07:24LinusNgotta go to sleep now, cu around guys
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03:08:56muesli_-good idea..already 3am
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03:13:29Papricanight all
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03:24:12muesli_-gn8 m8s
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03:51:30sbingnerdo you have an estimated date on when it will happen?
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04:41:20gatchi LinusN, DrumRBoy320 was banned here a while ago for running a rockbox script, it was a mistake, that script was meant to be run in #misticriver for all visitors who have questions about rockbox, he said that he's sorry, and that he'll make sure the script won't run rampant on different channels again
04:41:29gatcCan you please unban him, thanks :P
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05:50:00RichPhey guys anyone there
06:09:39RichPi just got a couple of questions bout the h300
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10:31:14webguest95hello ! I just wonder if anybody is working for coloursupport for h3xx ?
10:37:30Jungti1234hi all
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11:06:54markunmorning Jungti1234
11:07:19markunhi Slasheri, how's the army?
11:07:29Slasherimarkun: holidays now until next year :)
11:07:38markunAnd how long after that?
11:07:52Slasherihmm, about 230 days left after that :)
11:09:14Jungti1234markun, was travel interesting? :)
11:09:22markunYes, very
11:09:45markunI'll put some pictures online for you if you want :)
11:09:50Jungti1234What did you see?
11:10:23Jungti1234yes I want to seem it.
11:10:35markunA lot of old roman buildings, and the Italian family of my g/f
11:11:46markunI tried to run a script from my gigabeat again today, but I only managed to crash the player :)
11:13:14Jungti1234Do you know Kyung Bok Gung? :)
11:13:31markunNo, don't know it.
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11:14:25Jungti1234 Color is diverse very.
11:14:40markunyes, beautiful
11:16:50Jungti1234markun: What do you do?
11:18:17markuntrying some gigabeat things
11:20:45markunIt now displays "I love rockbox" :)
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11:21:24markunSo now at least I can run linux binaries from it.
11:21:37markunand shell scripts.
11:21:39Jungti1234good :)
11:25:50Jungti1234I want to do it. :'(
11:32:50markunA dump of the filesystem:
11:33:16Jungti1234what's this?
11:34:25markunIt's the linux file tree of the gigabeat.
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11:44:54Jungti1234'Dog Bites iAudio'
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11:49:20Jungti1234Iriver Korea sell H10 to $114!!
11:49:20linuxstbmarkun: Install the rockbox sim :)
12:00:30linuxstbmarkun: Do you know what a firmware upgrade on the gigabeat does? Does it write to flash?
12:01:02markunyes, it also writes to flash.
12:01:23markunWhen you enter the 'upgrade' mode it calls (or
12:01:44linuxstbSo you have to manually enter upgrade mode from the gigabeat firmware?
12:01:50markunThe normal mounts the romfs iso and calls the firmware upgrage funtion
12:02:18markunYou turn the player off, hold ON + MENU and insert the charger cable to enter upgrade mode.
12:02:37markunI just replaced and with my own script.
12:02:41linuxstbNot an ideal way to start Rockbox then...
12:02:49markunNo, but it's a start.
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12:03:16markunMaybe we can write a new bootloader directly to one of the deviced in /dev
12:04:18markunI think /dev/from is the flash rom
12:05:53linuxstbI don't understand what you mean
12:06:14Jungti1234I understood.
12:06:19markuncat new_bootloader > /dev/from ?
12:06:30markunOf course we could only try this 1 time :)
12:06:35markunIf it fails..
12:07:27linuxstbYep - a high-risk adventure
12:08:11markunI wonder why they created things like /dev/bluetooth, /dev/pcmcia and /dev/tuner
12:08:16linuxstbHave you tried dumping the contents of flash? You should be able to experiment with that now you can run your own applications.
12:08:35markunYes, that's the next thing I will try.
12:08:48markunI have just taken a shower and need to eat something first :)
12:08:49Jungti1234I will come again.
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12:10:02markunYesterday a gigabeat owner came here to ask how he can help me. Unusual for gigabeat owners :)
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12:14:24linuxstbIt's a cool device from a hardware point of view. You should be able to do a lot with a 400MHz ARM and 320x240 screen.
12:14:29markunI made a picture to show off on :)
12:15:12Slasherimarkun: hehe, nice! :)
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12:17:16linuxstbIs the only difference between the Fxx and Xxx models the size of the LCD?
12:17:25markunyes, I think so
12:17:50markunI wonder what hardware is in the older grayscale models.
12:18:56linuxstbThe ipodlinux kernel is about 1.5MB I think, so I'm guessing the gigabeat kernel must be compressed in the 1MB flash, and then uncompressed and run from RAM.
12:20:35markunThese are the files used by the upgrade util:
12:20:36markun-rw-r−−r−− 1 karl karl 753696 Jan 1 1970 hd-graphic+crc.bin
12:20:36markun-rw-r−−r−− 1 karl karl 65568 Jan 1 1970 hd-loader+crc.bin
12:20:36DBUGEnqueued KICK markun
12:20:36markun-rw-r−−r−− 1 karl karl 65568 Jan 1 1970 hd-panic+crc.bin
12:20:36markun-rw-r−−r−− 1 karl karl 65568 Jan 1 1970 hd-secure+crc.bin
12:20:39markun-rw-r−−r−− 1 karl karl 65568 Jan 1 1970 hd-zboot-flprog-2440+CRC.bin
12:22:07markunThere are also some encrypted files on the HD, it probably loads those with this small bootloader.
12:22:09linuxstbSo it doesn't look like the kernel itself is in flash?
12:22:48markunThere are the files on disc:
12:22:49markun-rwxr-xr-x 1 karl karl 789 Jan 1 1970 FWIMG00.DAT
12:22:49markun-rwxr-xr-x 1 karl karl 1199593 Jan 1 1970 FWIMG01.DAT
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12:22:50markun-rwxr-xr-x 1 karl karl 3321870 Jan 1 1970 FWIMG02.DAT
12:23:35linuxstbThat's in gbsystem/fwimg/ ?
12:24:21linuxstbHave you looked at them? Are they encrypted?
12:24:46markunyes, no strings to be found, so I guess they are encrypted.
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12:25:53markunThe font files might also be encrypted, but I'm not sure. I made some images of them:
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12:26:14markunmorning mirak!
12:26:18linuxstbIf I understand the GPL correctly, the source Toshiba give you must also allow you to compile and install modified versions of the GPL software. So it will be interesting to see what Toshiba provide.
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12:35:52mirak_markun: hi
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12:40:22markunlinuxstb: can you take a look at this file?
12:41:14linuxstbDownloading now...
12:41:30markunfile says: from.bin: RISC OS archive (spark format) :)
12:42:07linuxstb"file" on Mac OS X just says "data"
12:42:21linuxstbWhere is this from?
12:44:28markunWell, at least we can now be pretty sure that 'from' stands for flash rom
12:48:41mirak /* signed 16x16 -> 32 multiply add accumulate */
12:48:41mirak#define MAC16(rt, ra, rb) \
12:48:41mirak asm ("maclhw %0, %2, %3" : "=r" (rt) : "0" (rt), "r" (ra), "r" (rb));
12:49:15miraklinuxstb: I was looking in the coldfire manual and searching if there was an equivalent to maclhx for codlfire
12:50:50miraklinuxstb: does msaac operator does that ?
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12:59:34linuxstbmirak: I don't know the details about the EMAC - I haven't used it.
13:00:35mirakthere is some assembly code in the imdct of the mp3 codec
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13:00:48mirakyoou know who did that ?
13:04:56linuxstbProbably preglow
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13:06:14muesli_-there two holes in the bottom on a h3xx
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13:06:29muesli_-which one is reset and what does the left one do=
13:09:44linuxstbmirak: That from.bin contains 8 branch instructions at the very start - these would seem to be the exception handlers, with the first branch instruction being the one executed on startup.
13:09:57linuxstb(Sorry, I meant markun:)
13:10:19linuxstbToo many "m"s here today...
13:12:26markunSo we could just change the first branch to go to our own bootloader, just like it's done on iriver
13:12:46linuxstbSeems so.
13:13:53markunwithout jtag it's pretty scarry..
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13:14:56linuxstbIs from.bin a dump from /dev/from ?
13:15:21linuxstbA scary thing to do would be to dump it back.
13:15:53linuxstbBut I think you should wait to see what Toshiba send you before risking something like that.
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13:17:59markunI'll send them another email. They said they would keep me informed..
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13:23:56muesli_-is it normal that opening a h3xx is quite hard or i am simply foolish!?
13:29:57linuxstbmarkun: What's in the /initrd/etc/init.d/rcS file? Can you modify it?
13:32:37markunlinuxstb: I cannot modify anything because it's stored in the encrypted filesystem, but could view it.
13:32:53markunI will make a copy of all the interesting dirs.
13:33:31markunbtw, I converted from.bin to an image:
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13:33:56markunThe bootup background should be in there
13:36:52linuxstbmarkun: Very pretty.
13:37:11linuxstbSo the only thing you can modify is the script?
13:37:39linuxstb(without cracking the encryption)
13:37:44markunyes, I think so
13:39:33linuxstbIt looks like the end of the flash is empty - so a relatively safe thing to do would be to try and write to the end of it.
13:40:32linuxstbIIUC, the ARM exception vectors are always located at address 0x0 and can't be moved, so the 1MB of flash would have to be mapped there.
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13:42:02linuxstbI've seen a branch to address 0x4000000 in from.bin - that's where the IRAM is located in the ipod, so it could be the same for the gigabeat.
13:43:29markunThe samsung ARM has some kB of code and data cache, could it also be used as IRAM?
13:44:55linuxstbI don't think so. The PortalPlayer chips have 96KB (PP5020) or 128KB (PP5021) of IRAM, plus a 8KB unified code & data cache for each core.
13:46:28preglowmirak: just reading whats been done with emac in the codecs should give you some pointers
13:46:35linuxstbHow did you dump the contents of /dev/from? Do you have "dd" ?
13:46:37preglowi dont have time to give help righy now
13:46:42Paprica −−-> BrickMania
13:46:44markunI used 'cat'
13:47:16linuxstbOf course - I use dd so much, I forget about cat.
13:47:19markunwe don't have dd
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13:47:39linuxstbYou haven't tried compiling your own executables yet then?
13:48:52markunNo, not yet. I still couldn't get glibc to compile
13:49:06markunmaybe I can use the compiled one from the gigabeat.
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13:51:24linuxstbI'm almost tempted to get a gigabeat, but I've got two ipods to get working with Rockbox first...
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13:52:02linuxstbBut those will probably be done by the time Toshiba get around to sending you the source
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13:58:59markunlinuxstb: maybe you should wait a bit and buy a X60
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14:01:58linuxstbI have a 20GB Archos, a 40GB iriver, a 60GB ipod, so I'm waiting for an 80GB gigabeat
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14:02:31linuxstbUnless toshiba sell all their 80GB drives to Apple....
14:03:04markunlinuxstb: maybe you can find something interesting:
14:05:12linuxstbVery helpfile that all the modules in mnt-dev are not stripped.
14:05:24markunlooks like pegasus.o is a driver for a lot of USB eternet adapters
14:07:37linuxstbBut I'm guessing all the .o files are the binary-only modules, with the GPL stuff being compiled into the kernel.
14:08:51linuxstbBut anyway, I've got to run, I'll let you know if I find something useful. I would be very tempted to try writing to the unused part of the flash though....
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15:05:19Papricahey sup?
15:05:29San|just worke up
15:06:20Papricamorning =]
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15:35:29muesli_-hi moos
15:35:52MoosHello muesli
15:36:08muesli_-is that french?
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15:38:33Moosmuesli: huh?
15:38:44muesli_-check that video :=
15:39:03Moosit doesnt french language but it seems they used 2 or 3 french words
15:39:25Moosit's maybe dialectical french language
15:39:29MoosI saw it :D
15:39:46muesli_-maybe belgian?
15:39:59Moosmaybe fleman yea
15:40:07Moos"flamand" in french
15:41:23muesli_-mk :D
15:43:16MoosI didn't understand them, but I laughed :)
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15:59:47muesli_-what meant result -1 btw?
15:59:56muesli_-(while booting)
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16:11:58Jungti1234hi Paprica :)
16:12:04Jungti1234good morning
16:12:29Papricagood morning (here its afternon @@)
16:13:00Jungti1234korea is night
16:13:32Papricahere is 17:13
16:13:51Jungti1234:) nice Paprica
16:13:51Jungti1234Levels Creator!
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16:14:09Papricamake your levels
16:14:14Papricanow with the power ups
16:14:24Papricaits very easy to complete the game
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16:14:34Papricawe need a lot of level
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16:15:52Jungti1234I'm trying now.
16:16:03Papricaits very easy
16:16:19Papricajust click on the cubes and they change colors
16:16:31Papricawhen you finish click start
16:16:33Papricaand tada =]
16:16:57Jungti1234yes it's very easy :)
16:17:14Jungti1234what is tada? ^^;
16:17:40Papricasay tada
16:17:46Jungti1234I understood.
16:17:49Papricaand i think that you understand
16:18:17Jungti1234I have idea
16:18:35Jungti1234But, is hard to speak in English.
16:19:09Papricayou want to try to speak in hebrew? ;]
16:19:18Jungti1234-_-; No!!
16:19:26Papricamm try to paint it
16:19:33Jungti1234If click cubes in Levels Creator, color changes.
16:20:09Jungti1234How about if do order of color by Red, Orange, Yellow...?
16:21:09Papricaim dont undestand
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16:23:09Jungti1234original, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, purple, blank
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16:24:17Papricawhat about them
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16:25:07Jungti1234color take turns
16:25:30Jungti1234If click cubes, color take turns
16:25:41Jungti1234I want it.
16:26:33Papricalolll what?! =\\\\\
16:26:49Jungti1234Change sequence of color.
16:27:16Jungti1234Like original, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, purple, blank.
16:27:58Jungti1234understand? ^^;
16:28:19Papricammm why do you want to change the sequence?
16:28:32Jungti1234I it convenient.
16:29:15Jungti1234-> It's convenient.
16:29:37Papricablah i think that i dont understood nothing
16:31:16Jungti1234Let's stop. :P
16:31:27Papricasorry =\
16:31:28Jungti1234English is hard.
16:31:57Jungti1234I may not speak English. -_-;
16:32:34Jungti1234what is '=\'/
16:32:57Paprica= equals eyes
16:33:15Paprica\ equals mouth
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16:33:31Jungti1234- _- ?
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16:34:18Jungti1234-_- equals =|
16:34:38Papricamm how can i show the status bar while plugin is start?
16:36:19Jungti1234There is no method.
16:38:47Jungti1234How do I use level that I make?
16:39:33Papricayou need the source code of the game
16:40:12Jungti1234Should I do it edit?
16:42:11Jungti1234 ѱ ϰʹ
16:42:21Papricamm send it to me i will compile for u
16:42:52Paprica =\
16:43:13Jungti1234I do compile.
16:43:39Jungti1234that is chinese
16:43:44Papricaif the level is pretty send it to me
16:43:59Jungti1234I use korean(hangul)
16:44:17Papricawhat is hangul
16:44:20Jungti1234ok :)
16:45:03Jungti1234korean alphabet
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16:50:42Papricanice =]
16:51:00Papricaim famous ;]
16:51:20Jungti1234yes :)
16:51:31Jungti1234They know you.
16:53:02Mongey|woah are you the real Paprica !!!!!!
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16:57:43DrumRBoy320|Awayhey guys, sorry about that trigger script before :)
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17:20:44Jungti1234good night all
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17:36:26muesli_-amiconn are you around?
17:37:05Mongey|hi san
17:37:29San|god damn Judge
17:37:32muesli_-or does anybody know how much ram is left when rockbox is loaded?
17:38:03Mongey|had to format the old av560
17:38:44Mongey|wouldnt show up on my computer
17:39:00Mongey|so now ive got to transfer all the songs again
17:41:00Mongey|San| why arent you on misticriver
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17:41:32San|i got glined because of judge
17:41:59Mongey|for how long?
17:42:07Mongey|thought it wasjust 4 hrs
17:43:06CtcpIgnored 2 channel CTCP requests in 4 hours and 0 minutes at the last flood
17:43:06*Mongey| has 2 av560s infront of him
17:43:15San|it id 4 hours
17:43:26San|i got glined at 14.32
17:44:03Mongey|wats the firewire speed?
17:44:20San|faster than USB2.0 i think
17:44:29Mongey|i know but how fast
17:44:43San|does it matter?
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17:47:27San|oh, wait
17:47:28San|400 Megabits per second
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17:49:34mirakmuesli_-: around 30 meg used for the audio buffer on H300
17:49:50mirakI think
17:50:11Moosmuesli: check debug/infos Rb
17:50:17Moossalut mirak btw
17:50:21rayoomg 30meg? sorry but how much ram does the h300 have? i don't think its so much
17:50:31mirak32 meg
17:50:58mirakthere is 780 ko for plugin ram
17:51:09mirakI don't know how for rockbox it self
17:51:15mirakthere is also codec ram
17:51:31mirakcheck in firmware/export/h300-config
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18:01:58muesli_-cheers mirak
18:02:19muesli_-are you still here in ~1h?
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19:06:57ShebbI am having troubles trying to build a patch that adds extra files
19:09:14LearJoin the club. :)
19:10:20LearSupposedly, -N should do the trick.
19:10:32LearDon't remember if I found that when I tried to make such a patch...
19:11:27ShebbI tried it
19:11:43Shebbbut it says 'missing operand after <file>'
19:14:03_FireFly_Shebb: what command do you use ??
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19:14:58_ShebbSorry, I missed that...
19:15:02_FireFly_Shebb: what command do you use ??
19:15:12_Shebblet me check...
19:15:31_Shebbdiff -uN chess/board.c > chess.patch
19:15:55_FireFly_thats wrong
19:16:07_ShebbI guessed so...
19:16:15LearIf that read cvs diff... it might've worked...
19:16:31_FireFly_yepp but so no chance
19:16:42_ShebbI tried with cvs before
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19:17:10_ShebbBut itjust seems to try to open the 'chess' directory in the cvs...
19:17:17_FireFly__Shebb: either try cvs diff -uN ... or you need a seperate clean source copy
19:17:34_FireFly_and then diff -uN <org-sources> <modified-sources> > <patch-file>
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19:17:52_FireFly_and this doesn't work :)
19:18:01_FireFly_because in cvs there is no chess dir
19:18:41LearI just tried a cvs diff -N on a new file (in an existing dir), but that doesn't work either (error message looks familiar...)
19:18:42_FireFly_so you need a second clean copy of the source tree and use the cmd-line i posted above
19:18:48markunyou have to install cvstools
19:18:56markunthen you cvsdo add 'file'
19:19:02_ShebbI tried with cvstools but to no avail
19:19:11_FireFly_markun afaik for this oyu need write access
19:19:12_FireFly_to cvs
19:19:23_FireFly_in anonymouse "mode" this doesn*t work
19:19:27markunYou need write access, or cvsdo
19:19:29Maffmarkun > Im TheFame from, ive never used IRC befor so bare with me
19:19:37markunHi Maff!
19:19:45markunNice of you to come here.
19:20:02Maffthought i better check the place out
19:20:27_ShebbActually, I think I might as well just diff the one file I modify then put a link to a zip of the directory I want to include
19:21:05markun"cvsdo add 'file'" and then "cvs -uN" works fine here.
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19:26:41markun_Shebb: but if you want to use diff with 2 dirs that will also work fine
19:36:32_ShebbWell anyway, made a chess plugin that works pretty well
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20:51:49lostlogicrockbox bass boost... doesn't... distort the way iRiver's does. :)
20:52:46_FireFly_lostlogic: ??
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20:54:39lostlogicwhenever I used iRiver's bass boost, I always felt like the sound was muddy, it doesn't feel that way with rockbox's... unless I'm halucinating
20:55:23_FireFly_lostlogic: iriver does an clip-preventation
20:55:38lostlogicis the bass boost done in hardware?
20:56:15Slasheriyes and no
20:56:32Slasherithe uda chip does it but i think it makes it by software
20:57:19lostlogicI'll have to look at the code to understand I guess :)
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21:08:27FebsWhen Rasher did some frequency response tests a few months back, his results showed that the iriver fw scales back bass as volume increases, but it doesn't scale all the way to 0. It could be that bass boost at high volume causes mild clipping with the iriver fw.
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21:38:05AciDwoooo \o/
21:38:12AciDjust got my iriver h320
21:38:56muesli_-2nd this
21:39:15muesli_-and mine is already bricked ;)
21:39:34muesli_-hdd gave up the will to life ;)
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22:03:32[San]do you think this would be hard to port: ?
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22:23:15muesli_-Moos ?
22:23:44Moosnot registred for pvmsg?
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22:24:09muesli_-yes i am..i answered
22:24:15muesli_-<Moos> hi
22:24:15muesli_-<muesli_-> hi moos
22:24:15muesli_-<Moos> are you registred?
22:24:15DBUGEnqueued KICK muesli_-
22:24:15muesli_-<muesli_-> if not you couldnt read this ;)
22:24:28MoosI can't
22:24:44Moossure you're loged?
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22:27:26muesli_-Moos strange... join #bla.rock
22:28:21Mooshav'nt you message in freenode windows like: msg blocked cause spams..?
22:28:36Moostry rename your nick
22:28:44Moosremove "_" maybe
22:28:51muesli_-i thought i already did
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22:29:42muesli_already registered
22:29:59Moosmuesli_ or muesli?
22:30:08muesli_good q
22:30:33Moostry rename you at muesli
22:31:06Moosalready used you mean?
22:31:33Moosstrange there isn't muesli here :)
22:31:48Moostry register this nick with "_"
22:31:57muesli_-NickServ- The nickname [Muesli_] is already registered
22:32:36Moosbut did you enter your password for loging?
22:33:10muesli_i do that via script
22:33:17_FireFly_muesli_: on freenode self there is a muesli user
22:33:21muesli_but apperantly something is wrong
22:33:30_FireFly_type "/whois muesli"
22:33:35muesli_i knwo
22:33:44muesli_thats y i am using muesli_
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23:06:35AciDthe 1.30 version of the iriver firmware isn't supported by the firmware patcher yet ?
23:09:17lostlogicit's not even really out yet is it?
23:09:30AciDit is
23:09:49AciDjust installed it before reading the rockbox faq :\
23:10:03AciDand I have my answer, I tried patching it :)
23:10:25AciDI hope you can downgrade the iriver firmware
23:10:58lostlogicyou can
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23:12:02AciDbtw, once you've upgraded the official firmware, can you delete the H300.hex file from the player ?
23:12:36Maffmarkun, The update thing worked! seems to be a good start i think.
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23:17:57Papricathere is a way to view thw statusbar while plugin is working?
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23:22:00lostlogicdon't think so
23:23:56lostlogicwhachoo need it for?
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23:26:12Papricai want it for the calculator
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23:27:41lostlogicmight be able to pull it into the code −− look at the gwps code maybe?
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23:28:26Papricait called by gui_syncstatusbar_draw(&statusbars, true);
23:28:40Papricabut i cant get it work
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23:29:54muesli__Paprica is it already updated?
23:30:19lostlogicare you offsetting what you want to print so it doesn't overwrite the statusbar?
23:31:16Papricabox/apps/plugins/calculator.c:381: undefined reference to `_gui_syncstatusbar_dr
23:31:27Papricayou see?
23:31:51lostlogicprobably need to export additional functions to the plugin API and/or use rb->functionname
23:32:06muesli__Paprica :D
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23:35:15muesli__excellent work pap ;)
23:36:26Papricai dont success to get it work
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23:56:36markunhi Misfit34!
23:56:48markunThanks for the donation offer :)
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23:57:06markunMaybe you should wait till there is some more progress if you want to show your gratitude
23:57:08Misfit34yea i just need to go to my uncles house and use his card
23:57:16Misfit34is cool
23:57:26Misfit34so whats the next step
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23:58:00markunI'm not sure. It's dangerous to play with the contents of the flash memory.
23:58:34Misfit34hmm no one can help? to make sure it wont break

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