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#rockbox log for 2006-01-05

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00:04:17Matze41miner49er: what patch do you mean
00:04:50 Part Pi
00:05:04Matze41miner49er: this one?
00:05:05gminihopefulhowdy-yall... anyone have a recommendation for an irc channel for small linux distr. for old laptops?
00:05:24Matze41gminihopeful: how old? or.. what specs?
00:05:24Bagderno idea
00:05:42HClanyone seen this yet?
00:05:49HCliriver is gonna make a handheld game console
00:05:52gminihopefulsharp widenote. its a 133 with maybe 16 or 32m of ram
00:06:03miner49erMatze41: That's the one, yes!
00:06:53Matze41gminihopeful: why dont you install a "normal" distribution like debian or so? well, suse will maybe drain too much resources but debian has chances to run even with a small x-windowsystem...
00:07:39gminihopefulMatze41- having trouble with info transfer... no cdrom only floppy
00:08:51 Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow")
00:10:18Matze41miner49er: you havent defined the keys for any other player...
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00:10:39Matze41miner49er: so i'm getting errors for BUTTON_F1 and equals
00:11:09miner49erMatze41: Okay, so it doesn't compile - i'm trying it now...gimme a minute (or several) and I'll try and get it working...
00:11:44miner49erHC1: that iriver handheal looks sweet :-)
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00:19:13t0masanybody seen this:
00:19:18t0mas(it's old news)
00:19:29t0masbut I didn't know iRiver made other things than mp3 players
00:19:45markunminer49er: It's HCL, not 1
00:20:35 Quit mozetti ()
00:21:02miner49ermarkun and HCL: oops, sorry :-)
00:27:22miner49erMatze41: did you do anything else to get asteroids compiling for iRiver, other than place asteroids.c in the plugins dir and add it to SOURCES?
00:28:36Matze41no i didnt do anything else
00:28:43Matze41why are you asking miner49er?
00:29:02miner49erhhmm, i'm having problem building the simulator.
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00:31:32miner49erMatze41, i think i'm getting confused.
00:31:40miner49er...wait a minute
00:31:57Matze41miner49er: i didnt build for the simulator.. i have no sim installed
00:34:28miner49erMatze41: Okay, I know what's going on now. I will first get it working on the sim then update the patch. And then get back to you. hopefull in a few mins :-)
00:35:07 Quit t0mas (" HydraIRC -> <- Go on, try it!")
00:35:21Matze41miner49er: okay ^^
00:40:54miner49erMatze41: Cool, i've done it! But I want to make a small tweak first.
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00:49:09miner49erMatze41: i've uploaded a new version to the patch tracker now! It's much more fun on the iRiver...I think i need to scale the asteroids down for lower resolution screens!
00:49:36Matze41k i'll try
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00:57:37Matze41miner49er: nice work. Nice would be if you can implement Key holding so when i hold down accelerationkey shuttle gets faster..
00:57:44Matze41pressing it many times is not so cool
00:58:07*amiconn wonders whether it is possible to cross-compile a cross-compiler
00:58:10Matze41okay but i go afk now because it is 1am here :)
00:59:35miner49erMatze41: cheers for testing it. I will add that then :-)
01:00:27Matze41would be nice :) no prob for testing
01:00:53miner49erwill do it now, before i sleep :-)
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01:08:11 Quit ender` (" Good programmers treat Microsoft products as damage and route around them.")
01:11:50Matze41okay good night... i only had 3 hours of sleep last night so i should've gone few hours ago ^^ bye
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01:11:59miner49ernight night everyone :-)
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01:12:20miner49eroh, Matze41: it's in the patch tracker now
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02:26:21Usurperso i upgraded the rockbox on my h340 yesterday for some patches and additions, and now whenever i power on it starts up the recording feature
02:27:08Usurpernot horrible, but kind of annoying. i'm guessing it's due to some things being worked on, but i am wondering if someone knows of a build just before this started happening −− or perhaps a setting i can change to turn it off?
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02:36:06myndzimm awesome, DUMB is being added too! it'll be nice to save a gig and a half for my converted mods ;P
02:48:23RotAtoRmyndzi: There should be a setting "Recording>Recording Setting>Show recording screen on startup" that you can turn off
02:48:52RotAtoRwhat ever patches you added most likely fouled up your settings
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03:04:13birdfishHey everyone
03:04:35birdfishI was just wondering if anyone has heard anything about the developement of a port for the iaudio x5
03:06:04Weazel_there is a forum for it on the page
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03:07:44birdfishCool. Brand new posts!
03:07:56birdfishI didn't realize that they were even there :)
03:08:10myndzii just overwrote teh old rockbox files, i couldn't find any info on any other way to do it
03:08:15myndzii did have to re-set some things
03:08:27myndzii just thought of something else too
03:08:38myndzii actually used a windows compile of DUMB when i converted my mods
03:08:43myndziand there were about 3-5 files it failed on
03:09:04myndzi(though they played fine in winamp[mikmod])
03:09:37myndzii can provide 'em for anyone interested in troubleshooting
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04:42:06saa[b_r]idermydnzi: in recording settings, you can turn off loading the recording screen on startup
04:42:21saa[b_r]idergood afternoon jungti
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05:15:52Jungti1234hey saab
05:16:04saa[b_r]iderhi jungti
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09:05:16Bgermorning :)
09:13:33*preglow kindly requests someone shoot him
09:13:53_FireFly_preglow: why
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09:30:22preglowoh, no reason
09:38:59markunJust got an email from toshiba linux support that they received the source code CD-ROM and will send it to me.
09:39:23preglowtaking their sweet time
09:39:43Bagderthey had a guy walk across Japan with the CD? ;-)
09:39:55markunAt least they didn't completely forget about me
09:40:53preglowyou need to nag more about "gpl infringement" and "tendency to kill"
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09:41:31amiconnGah :(
09:41:40*amiconn can't build sh-elf-gcc anymore
09:41:50amiconnas: unrecognized option `-big'
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09:42:53markuncan you guys take a look at this file I'm writing?
09:43:51markunThe mcf5249.h file uses unsigned for everything and uses long for word access, should I also do that?
09:44:53preglowif word == 32 bits, then yes
09:45:23Bagdermarkun: your file is strictly for your CPU so you can safely use whatever works for you
09:45:50preglowi think you'll find that most regs are 32 bits wide on arm
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09:46:30markunpreglow: yes, look at the text at the beginning
09:47:39markunIs there a way I can specify that some registers are read or write only?
09:49:44BagderI don't think we have any such naming policy atm
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09:51:35preglowanyway, it shouldn't be a problem, should it?
09:51:44preglowif you try writing to one, it's a bug
09:51:54preglowand weird things will happen :>
09:51:58amiconnNot a policy, but an example:
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09:52:03markunno, but it would be nice if the compiler found the bug for me and gave a warning
09:52:12amiconnCheck sh7034.h, lines 297ff
09:52:25preglowyou could use const pointers or something
09:52:42amiconnThis defines 3 registers which have to be written in a different way than read
09:54:23markunThe address of some of the registers of the toshiba are different in big endian mode for word, half-word and byte access.
09:54:44markunI could add some suffix, or just remove all the big endian stuff
09:55:47Bagderif you're using littleendian I think you can remove the big endian things
09:56:15markunNot very likely we will switch to big endian
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10:09:40BgerLinusN :)
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11:01:49*preglow slays pkg-config
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11:04:58Bagderneat pics
11:06:07preglowwe're looking at the future here!
11:06:14preglowi assume this is just some photoshopping?
11:06:43BagderI like the tabs in the settings
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11:08:44preglowi wonder if a scheme like that would ever work
11:08:54preglowas in how much it would require coders to become ui designers when adding options
11:09:55BagderI can see a few problems too, but I still like a good suggestion and something to "work against" even if we don't really end up exactly like that
11:10:56preglowi'd very much like a new settings system in rockbox working towards something like that
11:11:04preglowwith the current alternative staying for older platforms
11:11:17preglowbut yeah, a few things do need figuring out
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11:19:03amiconnToo much eye-candy for my taste.
11:19:35amiconnE.g. the level settings: sliders, without numeric values
11:22:11_FireFly_amiconn: you could overlay the numeric value in the sliders
11:23:42Jungti1234hey markun -_-
11:25:38Jungti1234markun: are you busy?
11:25:46amiconnAnother drawback of such eye-candy design: Adjusting text all over the screen doesn't mix well with multiple UI translations and varying fonts
11:26:47preglowamiconn: this comes as a surprise :)
11:27:06Jungti1234It can change anytime.
11:28:28preglowstill, it boils down to what we want to achieve. you yourself seems intent on making rockbox appear as userfriendly as possible, and if that is to be a goal, this is the way we'll have to walk sooner or later
11:29:06preglowit's not really about friendliness, of course, more about meeting user expectations
11:30:59Membrillocan someone explain to me why, when recording on H3xx, turning down the volume level does not make the volume bars go down accordingly. ie even if i turn them right down, the volume bars still move
11:32:06preglowbecause it's a hardware based volume control
11:32:14preglowinternally, the audio is full scale all the time
11:32:21preglowwait, when recording...
11:32:35preglowahh, right, you mean output volume?
11:32:38preglowfor monitoring?
11:32:39Membrillobecause i want to know how far i have to turn it down to avoid clipping
11:32:43preglowor recording volume?
11:32:49Membrillothats the one
11:32:50preglowwell, then it's why i said
11:32:52preglowi think that should be fixed
11:33:07preglowthe peak meter should reflect the current volume setting
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11:33:21Membrilloah ok cool. I thought it was a bit strange
11:33:30aliaskHi Jungti1234
11:33:33Membrilloand also, has line in recording been implemented yet?
11:33:49Membrilloi just bought a mic on ebay and im wondering wether i can use it yet
11:36:33preglowyou mean mic recording?
11:37:15Membrilloyeah thats the one
11:37:21Membrillois that any different to line in?
11:37:36preglowmic in = line in + gain
11:37:48Membrillooh of course
11:37:59preglowdoesn't recording screen have adc gain already?
11:38:13Membrillothat adjusts the monitoring bars
11:38:15preglowthen use that until someone makes a separate mic setting
11:38:19preglowit should
11:38:24Membrillobut you cant turn it down
11:38:26Membrilloonly up
11:39:01Membrillowhen you turn down the volume shouldnt that prevent clipping?
11:39:19Membrilloi mean, volume works, but doesnt affect the monitoring bars
11:41:08Membrilloso you dont know how much to turn it down by... thats my only problem
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11:41:55LinusNthe monitoring level should not affect the peak meters when recording
11:42:00amiconnpreglow: When recording, the peakmeter reflects the recorded signal. Changing the monitoring volume should never influence that
11:42:02peturaren't you mixing up monitoring volume and input gain?
11:42:14peturhehe 3 together
11:42:58peturalso: there is analog gain (set in recording screen) and digital gain (decimator, set in recording settings)
11:43:19petur(which I think should both be available in the recording screen)
11:43:36*amiconn wonders whether we should combine both into one extended-range gain setting
11:43:45Membrillowell... ugh... whats the equivalent of turning down the recording volume in iriver FW to avoid clipping
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11:44:11peturturn down the ADC gain
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11:44:47Membrillothat doesnt go down
11:44:48Membrilloonly up
11:45:15peturok, then what's the setting of the gain in the recording settings?
11:45:15Membrilloso, if its at 0, then if there is clipping it cant be helped?
11:45:43Membrillowell its automatically at 0. Turning it up just loses quality
11:46:20LinusNif it still clips at the lowest gain setting, your input signal is too hot
11:46:55Membrilloah ok fair enough. Well i was using the internal mic so that makes sense
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11:47:28Membrilloah i just found ADC gain
11:47:37Membrillois that any different to the gain setting on the recording screen?
11:47:52peturthat is the decimator
11:48:03Jungti1234hi muesli__
11:48:03peturdigital gain, named incorrectly
11:48:11Membrillodigital gain
11:48:13Membrillogot it
11:48:19Membrillothats why the quality just dropped
11:48:25muesli__hui Jungti1234
11:49:31MembrilloADC gain isnt doing anything
11:50:40peturyou mean the one in the settings?
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11:52:26peturit seems to work here: just set it to -50 and no more peakmeters
11:52:45peturunless I hit the mic hard
11:53:15Membrilloyou have to navigate away from the menu
11:53:17Membrillosorry my bad
11:54:19Membrilloso can there be an option to do ADC gain left+right together?
11:54:26peturLinusN: any reason the decimator is in settings and ADC in recording screen?
11:54:57peturMembrillo: I'll probably look into that ;)
11:55:11Membrillothanks petur
11:55:32Membrilloi only know VB but im slowly learning C. Soon ill be able to do these things myself
11:56:47LinusNpetur: no reason at all, i think it's in the menu because it was easier that way, since the archos had only one gain control
11:57:24peturany objections to move it? and make it L+R together? plus balance of course...
11:57:25Membrilloi put my vote in for them to be switched if possible. Digital gain seems a lot less useful than ADC
11:57:48peturI want both and named correctly...
11:58:21peturso I can change on the fly when recording a concert...
11:58:55Membrilloim recording a gig on feb 17th
11:59:15Membrillothought it would be useful knowing these things haha
11:59:19peturfirst I'll need to rebuild my cross-compiler as RB doesn't build anymore with gcc 4.0.2 :(
11:59:47Membrilloah ok
11:59:52Membrillono rush from here
12:00:02Membrillocurrently recording is what im most interested it
12:00:29petursame here... next is USBOTG :D
12:01:16Membrillocoolio :) i dont use USBOTG, but recording is doing wonders
12:02:02peturthe iriver recording limit annoyed me most: lost a part of a concert because of it
12:02:14Membrilloyeah i know
12:02:16Membrillosame here
12:02:25Jungti1234Doesn't US version support USBOTG?
12:02:34Membrillothe monitoring bars and WAV lossless are the main turn ons for recording
12:02:59peturJungti1234: it would but the power isn't connected
12:03:28petur(afaik - have a EU model)
12:03:39Jungti1234Can it remodel?
12:05:57Membrilloi read somewhere that its the LCD driver thats causing the overscroll. Is that a bugger to fix?
12:06:05Jungti1234remodeling? reconstruction? rebuilding? alteration?
12:06:10Membrillowhy is it the LCD driver?
12:06:21Jungti1234remodel? alter? reconstruct? rebuild? reorganize?
12:06:56aliaskYes, Jungti1234 there is a hardware alteration you can make to make it work.
12:07:14Jungti1234ah :)
12:07:32Membrillodo they advertise the US h3xxs as having USBOTG?
12:07:40Membrilloif it doesnt work, why is the port there?
12:08:01aliaskFor DMA data. No idea why they have to go at USB1.1 speeds though.
12:08:03Jungti1234I'm happy because you understand.
12:11:54peturlunch time!
12:12:01Membrilloits 10pm here
12:13:18Jungti1234here is 8:13pm
12:13:37Jungti1234Dinner time. :)
12:14:03mirakMembrillo: would be nice a slight compression, but well recording in wav is really great. That's the only thing I was hoping from rckbox
12:14:15miraknow I want and exepect a lot more :p
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12:16:15markunMembrillo: the overscroll is unicode related
12:16:55Membrillolinus said something at MR about the LCD driver
12:17:30markunYou are talking about continuing to scroll after you let go of the button, right?
12:18:33mirakmarkun: hey. I am digging the libmpeg2. The codec is cleaner and seems easier to use than xvid
12:18:58Membrillomarkun: yep
12:18:59markunnice, I hope we gain some fps
12:19:06Membrilloill find the page
12:19:28markunMembrillo: it also happens on my H120 with a list of long filenames, but only with a unicode font
12:20:07markunThe font caching is the problem. A lot of work is being doen for every char in a string
12:20:11MembrilloLCD driver isnt optimized apparently
12:20:51markunMaybe on the H300 the LCD is also a factor
12:21:05miraka factor of slowness ?
12:21:51mirakwhy ?
12:21:55markunbut on H1xx I think it's only the font caching. With a small font that fits in the font buffer no caching is needed and it's all a lot faster
12:22:07markunno scroll lag
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13:06:26amiconnMembrillo: The H300 LCD driver is already quite optimised, but obviously not enoguh
13:08:54*amiconn is still looking for a H340
13:09:15peturamiconn: did you need to change anything to build the m68k cross-compiler yesterday?
13:10:23amiconnYes. On cygwin, the same workaround as for gcc 3.4.4 is needed
13:10:33amiconn(not building the multilibs for 68040)
13:11:02peturok... will give it a go tonight
13:12:19aliaskIs there a readily available explanations that ID2P(LANG_ENTRY) would return ">"?
13:18:09saa[b_r]iderwhile just discussing ideas for colored WPS, one guy came up with this image, and it was suggested that it would be a cool new Bootloader image for colored RB players (without the status bar of course):
13:18:38saa[b_r]iderwhat do you guys think? wouldn't this be a cool bootloader image?
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13:21:11aliaskMaybe if you got rid of the statusbar at the top and made the background "rockbox blue".
13:21:17aliaskBut it does look rather nice
13:22:19ashridahpity we can't animate it :)
13:22:45ashridah(well, probably can, but i doubt it'd add much and may just be a good deal slower)
13:22:47preglowLinusN: i know monitoring levels shouldn't affect recording level meters, i was talking about playback
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13:23:17saa[b_r]ideraliask: but it uses the yellow from the logo...
13:23:38saa[b_r]iderhello jungti
13:24:07aliasksaa[b_r]ider: The box should stay the yellows. I dunno, it needs some contrast I think.
13:25:43Jungti1234saa[b_r]ider: Did you see CES2006 news?
13:26:37saa[b_r]iderJungti: yes, the pre-show releases :)
13:26:50saa[b_r]iderthey said the G10 will only be for korea!
13:27:02Jungti1234At where did you see?
13:27:46Jungti1234I saw here.
13:28:10aliaskI thought the G10 looked pretty good. I probably wouldn't buy one, but still, it looked nice.
13:28:41saa[b_r]idersecond paragraph... they will ask again during the show though
13:29:40saa[b_r]iderbtw, who came up with RB blue :)
13:30:28aliaskNo idea, I just saw it in the source with the comment /* rockbox blue */ next to it. :)
13:30:50saa[b_r]iderI'm not a big fan of the color to be honest :D
13:33:11saa[b_r]iderthe first CES link is cool jungti!
13:33:59saa[b_r]ideraliask: what DAP do you have?
13:35:01Jungti1234Reigncom used the picture without permission.
13:35:41aliaskHaha. That's interesting.
13:35:48saa[b_r]iderH300 as well
13:35:54saa[b_r]iderjungti: yeah I noticed!
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13:37:04Jungti1234'KartRider' doesn't work in my computer.
13:38:03*saa[b_r]ider thinks saa[b_r]ider is cooler than KartRider ;)
13:38:56Jungti1234ah saab
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13:57:12saa[b_r]iderdid you make this WPS jungti?
13:59:02Jungti1234Certain Korean.
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14:04:36novimonpretty neat wps, where to get?
14:05:11novimonoh its for h300 :F
14:05:12novimontoo bad
14:05:23Jungti1234I want to limit track title part.
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15:21:00Pihow do you change the files that have been submited on sorceforge?
15:21:58Bagderyou delete it and re-upload
15:22:16Bagderif you mean in tracker entries
15:23:10Pido you need to have been loggeg in the firs time it was submited?
15:24:23Bagderthen login, make a new entry and mention that the older entry can be deleted because this is an update
15:24:46Bagderas then a tracker admin can delete it
15:24:48Piwill do
15:25:36saa[b_r]iderPi, are you updating the color patch?
15:25:36Pi(the one that can be deleted is "[ 1396750 ] Color settings"
15:26:15Piyes, just making the code neater though, nothing noticable to the user
15:26:51saa[b_r]iderdid you make the update yet? how about we add a few more colors first?
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15:28:14saa[b_r]iderI'll look at the colors currently included, I was going to add a few more colors for my personal use, if you want we can add it to the patch so everyone else can use them as well
15:30:02PiI think i will be making quite a few changes to this one so yes probably
15:31:14saa[b_r]idercool, do you want to send me the new file, and add the colors to the patch, or should I give you the RGB values together with the color names for you to add them?
15:32:37Piprobably beter if you give me the rgbcolors with names but the new patch file will be going up soon
15:33:59saa[b_r]iderI'll make it quick then :)
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15:50:41Pithats the new version on sourceforge (
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15:52:27saa[b_r]iderPiL what other changes are you going to add?
15:53:37Pi? posibility of adding suport for other languages or custom colours though i am not sure
15:54:37saa[b_r]iderwhat about sorting the colors :) either alphabeticaly, or by similarity :)
15:54:54saa[b_r]iderwhich isn't really a big thing
15:55:03Piyea that would be a good idea
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16:04:16saa[b_r]iderhmm... Pi: one of the colors is repeated (at least in yesterday's patch: green and lime are both 0,255,0
16:05:40Piyes i noticed (that part of the code tas writen by san) In the revised eddition greed is 0,128,0 (i think)
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16:06:43_FireFly_Pi i think lime should be 0,128,0 and green 0,255,0
16:07:22Pii disagree, lime should be the lighter one
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16:08:08saa[b_r]ideryeah, lime should be 0,255,0
16:08:55saa[b_r]iderbut, if we go by the names in Photoshop, 0,255,0 is actually RGB green
16:09:26Papricasome testers for rockcalendar?
16:09:37Bagder 50 205 50lime green
16:09:41Bagderfrom x11
16:10:21Bagderit has some 750 named colors
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16:10:56Pii dont fancy puting all of them in
16:11:06BagderI can see why ;-9
16:11:43amiconnI don't see why we should limit rockbox to named colours
16:12:01amiconnAn RGB colour chooser would be better imho
16:12:27saa[b_r]idernot limited... but a quick way to change.
16:12:31Pithat is whay i ment by "or custom colours"
16:13:40saa[b_r]iderwhile it's great to have a "custom color" option, it would be difficult to know the RGB values for say
16:13:51saa[b_r]iderlime, when you don't have a refrence
16:14:45saa[b_r]iderif you're on the go, away from a PC, and you don't know the values for "orange", it will take you quite some time to figure out the propper RGB values to enter
16:14:50PiPapria: Sat is gray but not Sun?
16:15:19Papricain israel only sat is a free day so
16:15:23Papricai dont know =]
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16:16:19Piand for some rason rokbox thinks the year is 2040
16:16:33Papricayou can adjust the year
16:16:40Pi(it has done this to me before)
16:18:04Jungti1234Rockbox likes 2040.
16:18:51saa[b_r]ider"it is the year 2040..."
16:19:04*saa[b_r]ider misses Transformers
16:19:11Papricago to main menu −−> general settings −−>system −−> time & date
16:19:18Papricaand change the year
16:19:25Jungti1234Change by 2040 again.
16:19:26Pii have already changed it back
16:20:18Papricamm so somthing wrong with rockbox
16:21:30Pithe calander is fine now, is it wise to put your birthday on the version that everyone downloads?
16:21:40Jungti1234And sometimes, is when '>' button is realized wrongly by 'Off' button.
16:22:06Papricaits only for testers
16:22:33Papricai dont put my birthday on the official version
16:24:21Jungti1234sunday is red, saturday is blue
16:24:33Jungti1234I know so.
16:25:47Papricamm ok i need to go
16:25:58Papricac u later guys
16:27:23Jungti1234Rockbox has problem in set date.
16:28:26preglowworks for me
16:28:31preglowon nano, that is
16:28:40lostlogicyay, profile output parsing perlized
16:35:49preglowcommit! commit!
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16:40:52saa[b_r]iderhmm.. RGB vs CMYK
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16:43:03PiRGB is already on the system
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16:43:43saa[b_r]idernot thinking about changing
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16:44:39saa[b_r]iderbut I'm looking at the RGB values of RGB red, and CMYK red... looking at which looks better
16:45:34saa[b_r]iderdecisions, decisions
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16:46:59muesli__havin a bud.
16:47:17saa[b_r]iderthank you! I feel less guilty now :P
16:47:40muesli__no beer before four (rhyms in german)
16:48:19Pi10 more minuts then
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16:53:45Jungti1234I informed the news to korean people.
16:54:19muesli__havin a bud?
16:54:44Jungti1234muesli__, What mean is it?
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16:55:57muesli__can you take that file=?
16:56:02Jungti1234I can't receive it.
16:56:09Jungti1234DCC Get of Budweiser_-_Wazzup_Dog.avi from muesli__ incomplete (unable to connect)
16:56:36Jungti1234Perhaps, because use firewall.
16:57:49linuxstbpreglow: I read in the logs that you noticed the new MPEG4 lossless standard. I've been working on incorporating the reference decoder into Rockbox but will not be able to commit it due to GPL problems - that's why I said I was wasting my time with it.
16:58:07Jungti1234muesli__: What video is it?
16:59:23muesli__gimme some minutes
16:59:30Jungti1234:) ok
17:01:10Jungti1234oh muesli__
17:01:18Jungti1234I must sleep.
17:01:42muesli__hold your breath, 4mins left
17:06:20Jungti1234time over
17:06:44muesli__get it!
17:08:21Jungti1234Is it strange video?
17:08:36muesli__budweiser commericials
17:09:01muesli__they were running on tv several years ago
17:13:12lostlogicpreglow: hehe, I haven't sufficiently tested the new parser, and it needs some documentation
17:13:24Jungti1234Very interesting!
17:13:33Jungti1234I know that beer.
17:13:44lostlogicpreglow: speaking of perl, is there a way to get the name with which this process was started? like argv[0] in C?
17:13:46Jungti1234But, English doesn't know. :(
17:14:00Jungti1234thanks, muesli__ :)
17:14:08muesli__ur welcome :D
17:14:10Jungti1234It's very interesting.
17:14:26Jungti1234good night all
17:14:32markungood night
17:14:37muesli__good n8 m8
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17:15:13saa[b_r]iderguys, watch this, it's helarious :D
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17:32:05saa[b_r]idereli: welcome
17:34:50saa[b_r]iderhow's work on your plug-ins going?
17:35:02eli_shererdidn't get any work done yet..
17:35:16saa[b_r]iderhow was new year?
17:35:23eli_shereri'm starting today and hopefuly have some accomplishments by tomorrow..
17:35:47eli_shererit was great thanks...but here in israel we don't celebrate it because it's a christian thing
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17:36:25saa[b_r]iderI wasn't aware you didn't celebrate it.
17:36:40saa[b_r]iderso what do you plan to work on, Viewbox?
17:39:42eli_shererviewbox and another secret i'm working on...
17:42:40saa[b_r]iderany chance you'll be submitting to CVS?
17:44:29eli_shereri might send my secret cause it's simple and i hope will support all players...
17:45:41saa[b_r]iderit'd be great if you submit all your work, cause they're pretty usefull plug-ins, maybe other developers will be able to help as well
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17:50:56Pito add language support to the colour patch,
17:51:03Pido i just need to replace "Aqua" with ID2P(LANG_COLOR_AQUA), then ad an entry to english.lang
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17:51:26Pior do i need to edit all the .lang files
17:56:25saa[b_r]iderPi, I'm thinking of changing Navy with a darker shade, it's too close to blue
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17:57:37Piwould agree with you there
17:58:37saa[b_r]iderwould like to add pink, and orange as well
17:59:04Pifusia is pritty good for pink
18:03:09saa[b_r]idertrue.. but for some reason, I kind of like the CMYK pink as well, although it's pretty close
18:04:56linuxstbTo the two or three ipod testers amongst us, I've just committed some fixes to CVS which should mean that the Rockbox bootloader is fully working again - i.e. it can load and run the Apple firmware or Linux, as well as Rockbox.
18:06:35linuxstbAlso, for Windows or Mac OS X users, I've written a small utility called "diskdump" which you can use to install the bootloader. It's not in CVS, but you can grab the source from here:
18:07:30linuxstbOn Mac OS X, you can write to the boot partition using "diskdump -w /dev/disk1 rockboot.bin". The same should work in Cygwin (using the correct disk device for the whole disk), but I haven't tested it.
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18:18:06Pi__can anyone shed any light on this?
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18:39:49preglowi wonder how difficult it is to make a win32 installer that can write to the boot part
18:39:58preglowmbr, i mean
18:40:03preglowand boot part, for that sake
18:40:28preglowlostlogic: hmm, i can't remember, i think there's a separate function for getting the executable name
18:41:28saa[b_r]iderPi: (Orange 242,101,34), (Navy 15,0,75)
18:42:18PiI'll add them to the next version (which will have the colours in alphabetical order)
18:42:46saa[b_r]idernice. eta?
18:43:04Piwhen do you want it?
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18:43:23saa[b_r]ideranytime before next friday is fine :)
18:44:18saa[b_r]iderPi, know anyone from university of glasgow
18:44:28*saa[b_r]ider still thinks scotland is a small place
18:44:55Pia few of my frends from school went there
18:46:12saa[b_r]iderknow anyone named omar by any chance
18:47:08PiIf they arn't in 2nd year there is next to no chance of me knowing them
18:47:37saa[b_r]iderok, at least I know now :p
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18:49:05lostlogicpreglow: $0 works, so does $PROGRAM_NAME it turns out.
18:49:21lostlogicpreglow: new profile patch uploaded to tracker
18:49:58*Pi hates it when he forgets the ;
18:50:43*Pi hates it when he forgets to save his changes
18:52:11saa[b_r]iderany of you iPod owners who use it with RB are also iRiver or archos owners?
18:55:59mirakI wonder how the ipod only can have 2 hours of video playback. I can watch 2 movies in a row on the H300 if not more
18:56:30saa[b_r]iderhigh processor usage?
18:56:41saa[b_r]iderit h256 or whatever
18:57:31miraksaa[b_r]ider: I doubt that the H300 processor is not at full charge when playing videos
18:57:53mirakwell maybe ipod have to decode bigger videos
18:58:01mirakI mean bigger resolutions
18:58:24saa[b_r]iderbut even my Centrino was slow at viewing H256 videos
18:58:36Pisaab, that is the patch updated
18:59:16saa[b_r]idercool! I dunno why the SF isn't loading for me though
19:02:32Piwoops I messed up
19:02:52saa[b_r]iderin uploading?
19:03:28Pino, the pach file, it is in alphabetical order but not got orange added
19:05:50Piyour orange doesent look like orange
19:06:29saa[b_r]iderit doesn't?
19:07:01Pii may have made a mistake somewhere
19:07:22saa[b_r]iderhow about (255,128,0)
19:07:36Piahh purple and orange have been swaped
19:08:52Picd ..
19:08:58saa[b_r]iderI think (255,128,0) may look better
19:09:01Piwoops wrong window
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19:13:26PiI like your orange, will remake the pach
19:13:54saa[b_r]iderhello san
19:13:56Pihi, seen what i have done with your color changer?
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19:14:18Sanlooks really nice
19:14:38saa[b_r]iderPi: we didn't change the values for lime and green did we?
19:14:43Sani forgot to bring a USB with me
19:14:56Sanso I couldn't test the stuff I was making
19:15:17Pii changed green to 0,128,0
19:15:21saa[b_r]ideroh right, San, you're away right?
19:15:47SanI was
19:15:58saa[b_r]iderPi: good choice, glad you remembered :)
19:16:08Papricammm someone found a bug on RockCalendar?
19:16:32saa[b_r]ideris it at plugbox?
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19:17:55Sandoes RockColor stay after a restart?
19:18:02saa[b_r]ideryes :D
19:18:18saa[b_r]iderno bug reports yet, right Pi?
19:18:19Sanand on wps's?
19:18:20Papricahi san
19:18:23Sanhey Pap
19:18:34saa[b_r]iderSan: stays ;)
19:18:39Sanwhere is the download link?
19:18:43Santhere are a couple of the,
19:18:49Piyes, i had to change quite a bit of code
19:18:50Sani dont know which it is
19:19:02saa[b_r]iderpaprica: is this it?
19:19:12Papricaah yes
19:19:25Papricai think that you ask id it shows in the site
19:20:27saa[b_r]iderPaprica: you're right, I did ask if it showed on the site :) then I wanted to make sure I had the right link after you said it didn't
19:20:53Papricadid you find a bug?
19:21:13*saa[b_r]ider is getting his USB cable
19:22:32Pithat is the new colour patch on SF properly now
19:22:35Papricamm i need to change the battery from 1300(i think)mah to 2200mah on iriver?
19:23:08Sanwhat do I do with that?
19:23:31Papricapatch < color.patch on cygwin
19:23:33saa[b_r]iderpaprica: do I need the cal.da file to be under rocks?
19:24:02Piyou need to patch the source coad (it changes ablot 5 files)
19:24:05Papricaif you want
19:24:13Sanaah, yeah
19:24:26Papricait make a file if not existing
19:25:00*Pi looks in digust as his own spelling
19:25:23Papricablah english is hard
19:25:31Sanno its not
19:25:51Sanwhats hard about it?
19:26:05Papricamm the english ;]
19:26:15Papricaalot of rules =\
19:26:41Papricaim not an english man
19:26:48Papricaso its hard for me =]
19:27:25Papricayou dont see my spelling mistakes?
19:27:26PiI am not an english man (i am a scot!!!)
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19:28:25Papricamm do i need to change the battery settings from 1300(i think)mah to 2200mah on iriver?
19:28:40Sanhow do I patch?
19:28:46San*i never did it before*
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19:31:00saa[b_r]iderSan: then how did you use this patch before :D
19:31:33Sani didn't make it a patch
19:31:44SanI just made it a
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19:33:38saa[b_r]iderPaprica: it would be nice if when you open the calender, you go to the current date
19:36:59Sanit says "file to patch", what file do I patch?
19:37:26saa[b_r]iderwhere is the file color.patch located?
19:37:40Santhe tools folder
19:38:11saa[b_r]iderit's supposed to be in the same folder where the source is located
19:39:19saa[b_r]iderPi: I noticed that the colors don't actually affect the background for the rockbox startup screen
19:39:32saa[b_r]iderwow, glad it solved it :)
19:40:11Pino, that is before the setings arwe loaded from memory
19:40:23Pii have no desire to change that
19:40:25*San agrees
19:41:04saa[b_r]iderRB Blue lovers :|
19:42:05Pido you think i shopuld add RB Blue to the colours that you det to chose?
19:42:13saa[b_r]iderwhen changing RGB values in LCD.h it changed the colors in the startup screen, that's why I was wondering
19:42:26SanPi, it has
19:42:26saa[b_r]ideryou could
19:42:31Sanwell, my version did
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19:42:38SanCalled "default"
19:43:06saa[b_r]iderbut that loaded both foreground and background to default
19:43:30Pithe defalt option is still there
19:43:43saa[b_r]iderhe wants to add it to the list, so you can use RB blue as say foreground with red background
19:43:55saa[b_r]iderwhich couldn't be done unless RB blue was added to the list
19:44:33Pi(there is now only one list of colours)
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19:46:33Pii am thinking of creating some code so that you cant set fg=bg
19:46:48[San]that would be awesome
19:46:48saa[b_r]iderthat would be apreciated
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19:47:41[San]oh, yeah, I am going (to try) to add a thing where You cant select the text to be the same color as the background
19:48:22Pihypetheticaly bg = rb blue, fg = black if you set bg to black, fg automaticaly gets set to rb blue?
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19:49:08Pidid you get the patch to work ok then?
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19:51:39saa[b_r]iderSF is acting up :|
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20:06:33Piyey it works!
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20:08:44saa[b_r]iderthe patch, or SF?
20:09:15Pinow it dosent let fg=bg
20:10:24saa[b_r]iderdid you updload the new update :)
20:10:51Piupdating ...
20:11:29saa[b_r]iderman, I haven't downloaded the patch even once today
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20:21:42lostlogicLear: get my memos?
20:22:36LearYep. I've downloaded the new patch, but not tested it yet...
20:24:06lostlogiccool −− you probably only need the new perl scripts out of the patch, since you already know what you're doing with the NO_PROF_ATTR junk
20:25:06LearYep. Might modify the script though, to add a tick percentage column...
20:26:08lostlogicnot a bad idea −− and now that it's in decent perl and not obfuse java, that's easier to do :-p
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20:38:19Sanhow do I patch again?
20:40:25saa[b_r]iderpatch −−binary -p0 < file.patch
20:40:51Piput the patchfile in the top level of the source code
20:41:17saa[b_r]iderlostlogic: that's what I use
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20:43:45lostlogicapparently binary only effects non-posix systems (ie windows)
20:44:19saa[b_r]ideryes, that ugly OS :P
20:45:03*petur hugs his W2K box
20:45:32lostlogic*sadly looks at his wxp laptop for work
20:46:18peturcygwin is _slow_ :( (building 3.4.5 crosscompiler atm)
20:57:00preglowyes, yes it is
20:58:12peturat least my CPU is producing some extra heat in these cold times ;)
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21:00:30Papricafirst release
21:00:40preglowwhat's wrong with just Calendar?
21:01:08Papricacalendar allready exist
21:01:12preglowwould be a bit tedious if all the plugins had 'rock' in them
21:01:42Papricadont kno
21:02:00*Pi agrees with preglow
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21:02:14Papricathe name calendar is allready exist in rockbox plugins
21:02:31Papricado you have another name?
21:03:11lostlogicwhat is different between this calendar and that one? Can this one just replace that one?
21:03:41Papricathe calendar is for recorder
21:03:51Papricathis is a new, color version
21:03:58Pithen the two should be marged/ made the same
21:04:09Papricai dont think
21:04:15preglowi do
21:04:17Papricai dont copy the code
21:04:24lostlogicbig #ifdef, one file, because you wouldn't use the recorder one on the bigger targets
21:04:31preglowwell, having two calendars is out of the question, if you ask me
21:05:07Papricaso what can i do
21:05:47preglowmerge it with the existing calendar
21:05:51markunWhat's different about your calendar compared to the old one?
21:06:11Papricathis is color, another code
21:06:19Papricaonly for h3xx
21:06:22lostlogicbig #ifdef
21:06:38preglowbut yes, colour calendar = good thing
21:06:44lostlogich3xx, ipod nano, 5g, 6g get the new one, other targets get the old one
21:06:44preglowbut please do merge them to one
21:07:01preglowis the code really so different you have to recode it completely?
21:07:03lostlogicOR make this new one have a mode that will work on the blackandwhite / little targets
21:07:16preglowlostlogic's solution is cleaner
21:07:22preglowlots easier to maintain
21:07:45peturaaargh... crosscompiler 3.4.5 for m68k build failed: "as: unrecognized option '-mc68020' " any suggestions?
21:07:57lostlogicpetur: upgrade binutils?
21:08:03preglowif there is two completely different calendar bases, you can bet one of them is going to lag behind
21:08:40Papricai will try to merge them
21:09:14Papricathis will be hard
21:09:30Papricacuz the another calendar dont have my functions
21:12:53preglowwhat functions?
21:13:32peturlostlogic: binutils 2.16 too old? do I use 2.16.1 or 2.16.2 (only available as patch)?
21:13:54preglowyou tried using the patch in the wiki?
21:13:59lostlogicpetur: ok, then that's not the problem.
21:14:16peturI did the 3.4.4 patch, yes...
21:14:29saa[b_r]iderpaprica: does the calander go to the current date when opened?
21:14:41peturI remember amiconn said yesterday that patch was ok for 3.4.5
21:14:45Papricathe cur?
21:15:16preglowi used it for 3.4.5
21:15:36peturusing cygwin?
21:15:51Papricathis is the older version of the calendar
21:16:00saa[b_r]idertoday is 6th of january... but when I open the calander, it opens the january 2006 page, and 1st is selected, not 6th
21:16:00Papricaif you want to try it
21:16:06Papricathis is the simulator version
21:16:17Papricaah i know
21:17:13Papricaits importent?
21:17:20saa[b_r]ideralso, it would be nice to have ">" scroll through the dates, even when it reaches the end of the grid
21:17:41saa[b_r]iderso you don't need to use + or -
21:17:49peturhmmm.. wiki says I should use gcc 3.3.3 to build the crosscompiler - I seem to have 3.4.4 :(
21:18:25lostlogicpetur: on linux I use binutils 2.16.1 and gcc 3.4.5 and it works dandyfine
21:18:42saa[b_r]iderpaprica: I think it's important, otherwise I would need to open the time settings to know what day it is
21:18:46Papricayou mean when its in the end date?
21:19:04Papricain the next version
21:19:05peturany cygwin users?
21:19:12saa[b_r]iderthanks :)
21:19:33Papricamy father take the computer for a moment
21:19:59Learpetur: yes - gcc 3.4.5 works for me.
21:20:11Learthat problem sounds like the one I got when I tried 4.0.2 though...
21:20:28saa[b_r]iderimho, it's strange to look at a calander with sunday as the first day of the week :)
21:20:31peturgreat - I had _no_ problems building 4.0.2
21:20:46Learwhat "base" gcc do you use?
21:20:57Lear(i.e., to create the cross compiler with)
21:21:06lostlogicsaa[b_r]ider: Paprica: maybe start of week should be configurable (as in Microsloth Outlook)
21:21:14Learsame as me then...
21:21:30saa[b_r]iderlostlogic: I agree
21:21:35lostlogicpetur: sure your path is right to use binutils-m68k?
21:22:24saa[b_r]iderto make it even weirder, saturday is the first day of the week for me :)
21:22:52lostlogicsaa[b_r]ider: ok, that's weird.
21:23:08saa[b_r]iderbut I can live with monday ;)
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21:24:29Sani cant apply the patch
21:24:47Pilast summer, i worked a 9 day week so i gave up keeping track of the days
21:25:54saa[b_r]iderkinda like 25 hour days :)
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21:26:37lostlogicSan: what patch and what's the problem?
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21:33:26[San]Lost: I cant apply any patch
21:33:34[San]its because I dont know how to do it
21:33:53preglowpatch -p0 < lolpatch
21:33:54[San]the instructions on dont work out for me
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21:38:29saa[b_r]iderthank god for anonymouse
21:38:40Piyou might try patching a clean build? (withought any of your own ajustmants)
21:39:09Pithough i don't know much about the system
21:40:38[San]yeah, it worked now
21:40:45[San]thanks LL and Pi
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21:42:01saa[b_r]ideris it me, or is the clock not accurate?
21:42:20lostlogicas in runs fast / slow?
21:42:34lostlogicmine seems to run fast
21:42:51saa[b_r]idermine too, too fast
21:43:06[San]I might do a clock test tonicht
21:43:10lostlogic4 minutes per day or so?
21:43:16[San]I was meening to do one
21:43:28Pimy clock is like a 19 year old male driver
21:45:01Pihave you got it to patch yet?
21:45:41Pii use a slightly different menu system than you did
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21:48:19[San]yeah, got it pi
21:48:26[San]works beautifully
21:49:18Piyour reply on MR, i have changed a fair bit including the menu type
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21:51:44[San]oh, ok
21:52:54saa[b_r]iderhave you guys seen the (ignore "the" when sorting alphabeticaly) patch?
21:53:15Pii saw it, not tryed it
21:54:56[San]i dont have that many bands that begin with "the"
21:55:27[San]6 actually
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21:55:55saa[b_r]iderI think I removed "the" from bands that had them... I'll put them back now
21:56:04PiI have a fair number, but i am not botherd by it (they all go in the "TU" folder)
21:56:34[San]you into inde?
21:56:38saa[b_r]iderI now have 4 patches I'd like to implement.... hope it doesn't get messy
21:56:42Pi15 bands
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22:25:14Pi_IMHO i think it would be a wast to put colour scemes in the code
22:25:56Pi_however i think you can use config files to set color schemes
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22:59:22Slasheriamiconn: Hmm, btw from the mailing list: "... so clearing the playlist would imply stopping playback.", why is that? Clearing playlist shouldn't stop the current song being played
23:00:24amiconnTechnically not, but that would be highly illogical behaviour
23:00:57preglowwe behave like that when deleting files, currently
23:01:02preglowand you didn't think that was illogical
23:01:11Slasherihmm.. i don't see any illogical with that.. the playback engine just continues to playback the song it currently is playing
23:01:14Sacrowhat will the "remove 'the'" patch do when it comes across "the the"?
23:01:19Slasheriand playlist has the information about the next song to be played
23:01:40amiconnPlaylist has information about past, current and upcoming songs
23:01:59*petur notes that his SlimServer also stops playing when clearing the playlist
23:02:05Slasheriamiconn: yes, true. But i don't see why the playback should stop if the playlist is emptied..
23:02:06amiconnDeleting a file is a bit different. It isn't necessarily played up to the end
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23:02:21amiconn...and it stays in the playlist
23:03:03Slasherior perhaps the "clear playlist" could clear all but the currently playing song
23:03:09Slasherithat would make it more logical..
23:03:41Papricamm what is Incredable?
23:03:58amiconnThe only logical thing to do during playback would be another 'insert' option, starting a new list with the inserted song(s)
23:05:04Moosamiconn: indeed
23:05:54lostlogicPaprica: incredible? unbelievable
23:06:11Papricaok 10q
23:06:24Papricahe had a spelling mistake
23:07:01Midgey34how complete is the RTC support on h300?
23:07:51Midgey34for example, the year seems to vary from the stock firmware by 35 years
23:08:10Midgey34and when the RTC is set within rockbox, iriver firmware can't read it
23:08:19Midgey34it reverts to Jan 01, 2005
23:08:26Midgey3412:00 AM
23:09:01lostlogicMidgey34: the two firmwares use different date offsets (maybe other differences?) but it works fine in rockbox...
23:09:27peturwell it doesn't work ok here...
23:09:35*amiconn has a suspicion
23:10:28*petur thinks he finally has a working gcc 3.4.5
23:10:33amiconnUsually, RTC dates are based on 1970. Maybe the iriver firmware bases its dates on 2005, but stores the date based on 1970
23:10:53amiconnThis would explain the 35 year offset...
23:11:42peturof course it probably gets messed up when the iriver FW boots (which happens now and then with the current bootloader)
23:12:06amiconnMidgey34: Could you set a date of e.g. (some day & month), 2042, and then boot iriver firmware and check the date?
23:12:32amiconn*set ...2042 _in rockbox_
23:12:43*amiconn expcets the iriver fw to display 2007
23:13:34lostlogicwhat base does rockbox store dates with? 2000?
23:14:44amiconnI think it uses the RTC year field as defined, i.e. based on 1970
23:15:44lostlogicso it's date would be 72 if it's set to 2042, how would iRiver get to 2007?
23:16:08amiconnThe RTC date field would be set to 02 by rockbox
23:16:57*amiconn is confused
23:17:28Pi_ammiconn you were correct, iriver sayd 2007
23:17:42Papricawhen the year is 2006
23:17:48Papricathe rtc return
23:18:14Papricais it helpful? =\
23:18:29amiconnThe RTC can't return 106
23:18:41amiconnThe RTC year field only has 2 digits
23:19:05Papricai dont know
23:23:24Paprica[22:14:50] <saa[b_r]ider> paprica: does the calander go to the current date when opened?
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23:24:52saa[b_r]iderhow about scrolling using "<" ">"? say the selected date is saturday (last day on the row),
23:25:00peturLinusN, are you around?
23:25:25saa[b_r]iderit would be nice if you click > it will go to sunday (first day on the row) on the next row
23:25:41Papricaon the next col
23:25:46Papricayou mean
23:25:51Papricaisnt you?
23:26:13amiconnThis doesn't make sense... If iriver uses a 35-year offset, the leap year handling would be all off...
23:27:06saa[b_r]iderif you're in the last column in one row, then click >, it should go to the first column on the next row :)
23:27:07Pi_who says it isnt off
23:27:46saa[b_r]iderinstead of going back to the first column on the same row
23:27:47Papricamm column is −−−−−−−−−−−−
23:27:50Papricaand row is
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23:28:01saa[b_r]iderno, the oposite :)
23:28:18saa[b_r]iderrow is horizontal, and column is vertical
23:28:49preglowlater all
23:29:10saa[b_r]iderat the momnet, if you keep on clicking ">", or "<" it stays on the same row as a loop
23:30:14saa[b_r]iderpaprica: we were also thinking to add an option for the first day of the week (sunday/monday)
23:30:20saa[b_r]idermaybe saturday as well :D
23:30:32saa[b_r]ider(but one thing at a time of course!)
23:31:38Papricamm now its 00:31 here so on more half an hour i go to sleep, i have school today
23:31:49Papricai do now the ">", or "<"
23:31:56Papricayou know what i mean
23:32:01saa[b_r]idergreat, yes :)
23:34:02amiconnA H300 owner could perform the following test: Start the iriver firmware, and try setting 29-Feb-2008. Is that possible?
23:34:48Midgey34one second
23:34:57peturmake that 30+ :D
23:35:14Midgey34thankfully I don't use db
23:35:23Midgey34or else we'd be looking at minutes
23:35:45Papricai can
23:35:55Midgey34yes, you can set that
23:36:02amiconnIf so, the next interesting test in iriver fw would be to set 28-Feb-2008, 23:55, then power down the unit for ~10 minutes. Power on (iriver fw again), and check the date
23:36:05Midgey34you can also set Feb 30 2008...
23:36:13amiconnIs it 29-Feb-2008 or 01-Mar-2008?
23:36:35amiconnThis test would check how the RTC advances the date
23:36:42peturthe iRiver FW only displays the time...
23:36:43amiconnMidgey34: haha
23:36:56Midgey34hmm, you can also set Feb 29, 2006
23:37:12amiconnYes, so the date setting screen is crap
23:37:23amiconnThe second test could be interesting
23:37:26peturbecause it's not used...
23:37:37peturthey only show the time
23:37:40amiconnpetur: Can't you check the date by entering the setting?
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23:38:41Midgey34well a date of Feb 29, 2006 registers as Feb 28, 2041
23:38:57Midgey34so at least rockbox doesn't allow bad dates
23:39:13amiconnI meant all those test to be done in iriver fw only
23:39:21Midgey34I know, I was just curious
23:40:24amiconnFor completeness, this RTC advance test should be repeated for 3 contiguous non leap years surrounding 2008, e.g. (2005, 2007, 2007)
23:40:26Midgey34alright, I'm running the first test now
23:40:58Midgey34setting the date as feb 28, 2008 at 23.58
23:41:18amiconnYou can of course choose fewer minutes before & after mignight. Just make sure the unit is off when the RTC advances across midnight
23:42:17lostlogic(I would try the tests, but having my unit off for several minutes sounded too painful)
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23:43:18*amiconn suspects the iriver firmware will show 29-Feb when testing 2005 or 2009
23:44:35Papricagood night all
23:44:45amiconnlostlogic: Hehe... I can choose from 5 rockboxes :)
23:48:57Midgey34hmm, unless I'm doing something wrong
23:49:16Midgey34both times is showed up as Feb 28, 2006
23:49:22Midgey34at 1.01 PM
23:49:43Midgey34I mean 2008
23:50:14amiconnHmm? 1:01 PM? That would be 13:01, which I wouldn't expect at all...
23:50:30Midgey34I'm trying this again
23:50:41Midgey34I believe I know what I did
23:50:45Midgey34ignore that
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23:53:39Midgey34hmm succesful test I think
23:53:55Midgey34it now says Mar 01 2008 00.01
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23:55:22amiconnMidgey34: Okay, that's what I expected. Now could you do the other 3 years? Either 2005/06/07 or 2009/10/11
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23:55:34amiconn2005 or 2009 would be the most interesting ones
23:57:08Midgey34currently testin 2009
23:57:56Midgey34while I wait, does anyone know of an easy to use program that can convert commercial dvds to iPod 5G formats?
23:58:06Midgey34preferably H.264
23:58:19Midgey34without using DVD Decrypter
23:58:35Midgey34it's for my girlfriend and she is a bit computer illiterate

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