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#rockbox log for 2006-01-06

00:00:21amiconnHmm. For commercial DVDS you'll need something that decrypts css anyway.
00:01:03Midgey34yah, I was using CSS Free
00:01:30Midgey34iriver time: Feb 29, 2009 00.03
00:02:25amiconnAhahaha. What I expected.
00:02:46*amiconn hands the Bad Design Award to the iriver engineers
00:03:18Midgey34I'm still liking the fact that feb 30th is available
00:03:44Midgey34I wonder if the US firmware differs at all
00:04:02amiconnNow, the question is: Should we aim to be compatible to the iriver firmware and introduce wrong leap year handling, or keep the correct handling and ignore iriver fw date?
00:04:03Midgey34I doubt it, but it did have RTC support while the Korean version did not for a while
00:04:10amiconnI'd vote for the latter...
00:04:20Midgey34I'd vote latter
00:04:33Midgey34but could the years be compatible?
00:05:07amiconnI don't know, but I don't think so
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00:05:32Midgey34hmm that's a shame
00:05:35 Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow")
00:05:36amiconnIf they were, iriver should show 2071 if you set 2006 in rockbox
00:05:49Midgey34actually it shows nothing
00:05:55amiconn...but I guess iriver considers 2071 out-of-range
00:06:38amiconnHmm, not necessarily 2071, could also be 1971
00:07:00amiconnThe RTC just stores numbers between 00 and 99
00:07:35amiconnRockbox handles them as-is, and just adds a century to them. This is how it is intended by the RTC manufacturers
00:08:10amiconnIriver bases the date on 1970, and stores (current_year - 1970) in the RTC
00:08:29Midgey34iriver dates are 1980 to 2064
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00:09:03amiconnMidgey34: So... rockbox and iriver dates become compatible in 2010 ;)
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00:10:05amiconnAh, no
00:11:02*amiconn is still slightly confused
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00:12:03Midgey34setting the date to 2064 in iriver leads to 2099 in rockbox
00:12:31Jungti1234Rockbox likes 2040.
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00:13:45amiconnMidgey34: Yes, as I would expect. Another test: Set 2015 in rockbox. Iriver should show 1980
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00:18:27Jungti1234What is virtual LED?
00:19:06Midgey34amiconn: yep, that's what happened
00:19:24amiconnSo... in 2015 iriver fw & rockbox will become compatible
00:19:33Midgey34so there's always a 35 year difference assuming the dates at within range
00:19:38Midgey34aka compatible
00:19:59amiconnSomehow I doubt that many H300s will still be running in 2015... although, never say never
00:20:11Midgey34Jungti1234: it shows an icon in the status bar whenever the disk is being accessed
00:23:34markunSomeone in just asked what rockbox is. You would think that most people online would know how to use a search engine..
00:23:44Jungti1234hi markun
00:23:50markunhi Jungti1234
00:23:57Jungti1234Don't you sleep?
00:24:02Midgey34markun: what do you think of the new gigabeat S?
00:24:45markunWell, Toshiba is getting very close with Microsoft.
00:25:30markunThey are still using a ARM9 (this time from Freescale)
00:26:28markunMS call's it a MPU:
00:28:23Midgey34I give them this: it does look fairly stylish
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00:28:43BagderMicro Processor Unit I guess
00:29:19Midgey34Mobile processing unit?
00:30:15markunI believe they replaced the touchpad with a joypad
00:32:01markun"Plus it's the first DAP which seems to have support for Windows Lossless"
00:32:05markunVery useful ;)
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00:38:06Jungti1234I want to go to Las Vegas.
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00:42:07dpassen1for CES?
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00:44:13muesli__for gambling! ;)
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00:44:36markunI didn't like Las Vagas much as I was under 21 back then
00:46:33Jungti1234To see CES.
00:47:06dpassen1For me, the most interesting thing at CES is the Sennheiser CX300
00:48:00dpassen1~50 USD
00:48:38dpassen1I'm hoping they sound like the PX100s which I own
00:49:13Jungti1234I have interest to Cowon iAudio6.
00:49:41darklessif you like audio, you should owe it to yourself to try out that SVS technology made by Smyth virtual technologies
00:50:01darklessI heard they'd be on CES
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00:53:47Jungti1234He is Korean member of the National Assembly.
00:55:45muesli__sexy ;)
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00:58:02Pi_can anyone help?
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01:05:06duncan_hi guys
01:07:07markunhi duncan_
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01:09:44duncan_guys, I have been researching for long time
01:09:53duncan_I got a Anubus Typhoon My Mini DJ player
01:10:00duncan_nice because it plays Ogg, 2.2 gb hd
01:10:16duncan_but no way to index files on Linux, and the firmware is not that good
01:10:56duncan_but I just discovered both Frontier Labs L1 and mine are just rebranded versions of Godot M8170s.
01:11:14duncan_anyone knows which kind of cpu this thing uses, and if it would be possible to run rockbox there?
01:13:31markunduncan_: maybe you can open it up and take some pictures
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01:15:01duncan_which cpu does rockbox runs on?
01:15:26markunseveral: m68k, arm, sh1
01:17:20linuxstbduncan_: Do you have a link to a firmware download for the m8170?
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01:19:52markunhm, the links don't seem to work..
01:20:41linuxstbmarkun: Yes, I found that page (and the broken links)
01:21:32markunalso a link to the website doesn't work anymore
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01:23:09duncan_linuxstb: yes hold on
01:23:53linuxstbIt seems to have an arm9 core.
01:24:17linuxstbAccording to the page at (direct links not possible)
01:24:42duncan_thats the formware of mine, which is the same of the Godot
01:24:47linuxstbBMC1401ARM9core, main frequency 120Mhz
01:25:23markunanother ARM
01:26:20duncan_how did you get that!?!!???
01:27:17linuxstbThe description of the Typhoon My Mini DJ at
01:27:37markunlinuxstb: when will you be back from Boston?
01:28:06linuxstbNext Monday
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01:29:14duncan_linuxstb: does rockbox runs over that?
01:29:45*duncan_ cant find the arm stuff in the website
01:30:20amiconnlinuxstb: I can't find the CPU spec either. Other: 16MB RAM, 128x64 monochrome LCD
01:30:23linuxstbThe CPU is the easy part - almost all of Rockbox is written in C, so it is just a matter of compiling a gcc cross-compiler for your target processor
01:31:12linuxstbI'm looking at the technical specs for the "TYPHOON My Mini DJ 154" on
01:31:38amiconnThere's a Mini DJ and a Mini DJ 154
01:31:43amiconnThey're different
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01:34:06duncan_linuxstb: but I guess accesing the audio and screen is not a matter of recompiling but a per-device driver
01:34:42linuxstbOK, but running "strings" on the firmware files duncan_ linked to (once you unrar it to get a .cab file, and then extract the files from the .cab) shows some ARM-related error messages
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01:37:16duncan_ok, but it is not a matter of downloading a rockbox image and make it run
01:37:24markunlinuxstb: I see a lot of "Microsoft Corporation"
01:38:19linuxstbI see "This code can only run on a Thumb compatible processor"
01:40:14amiconn83090 is the older Mini DJ (monochrome)
01:41:10amiconnlinuxstb: Does that mean the firmware file isn't encrypted/scrambled? Remarkable...
01:42:27duncan_ok, and.... is there any effor or success running rockbox in a similar machine?
01:43:30linuxstbduncan_: Even if it's using an ARM, it's still a huge undertaking to port rockbox - you have to work out all the other hardware in it and write drivers.
01:47:25linuxstbamiconn: Yes, it doesn't seem to be encrypted.
01:48:09duncan_the other option would be to reverse engineer the database format
01:48:14duncan_and implement it
01:48:20duncan_under linux, for amaroK
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02:04:18linuxstbduncan_: Have you tried opening up your player and seeing what chips are inside?
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02:16:16duncan_linuxstb: nope
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02:24:41lamedquick question. I'm just viewing iriverecording. isn't mp3 encoding one of the missing, but future to be functions?
02:24:59Paul_The_NerdIt's definitely missing.
02:27:55lamedwell, then i still don't know should i add it to the wiki or not
02:28:55Paul_The_NerdWell, whether it goes in pretty much depends on someone implementing it.
02:29:30Paul_The_NerdI don't think there's a proper way to do encoder plugin/codecs for recording yet, so that'd be a first step anyway, if that's the case.
02:31:06linuxstbIMO, "Missing Features" on that page should refer to general Rockbox features or iriver-specific hardware support (e.g. optical input) that isn't yet implemented for the iriver.
02:31:51Paul_The_NerdSo, MP3 encoding would qualify then, wouldn't it?
02:32:26lamedI've put it as a comment anyways
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02:40:03Paul_The_NerdPreglow: Are you around?
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05:56:45Membrilloanyone know if you can install rockbox to iPod from windows yet?
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07:31:35Bgermorning :)
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08:33:33*amiconn wonders about one of the last wiki changes
08:33:51amiconnGap delete is not gapless playback, it's something totally different
08:38:22saa[b_r]idergap delete removes silence in the begining/end of a track
08:39:19amiconnSo the change in the feature comparison page isn't correct
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09:07:46preglowPaul_The_Nerd: i'm around now :>
09:09:56Paul_The_NerdI resolved my problem
09:09:59Paul_The_NerdBut thanks
09:10:12Jungti1234I made it for Korean who don't English.
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09:13:25Paul_The_NerdI discovered that other people were having the issues I am.
09:13:42Paul_The_NerdIt was a nano thing, rather than a rockbox thing anyway.
09:13:48BgerPaul_The_Nerd what isues ?
09:13:58Bgerah, ok
09:14:19Paul_The_NerdBger: It doesn't like VBR LAME alt-preset-standard MP3s.
09:14:50Bgeron nano ?
09:14:58Paul_The_NerdUsing the Apple firmware
09:15:07Bgerpossible :)
09:15:19Paul_The_NerdWell, last time I checked Rockbox skipped even more.
09:16:27Bgerskips as not realtime
09:17:08Paul_The_NerdVery not realtime
09:17:29Paul_The_NerdMeanwhile the Apple firmware will just randomly, on some songs, bog down for a second or so. It's not even consistent where it happens.
09:17:39Membrilloare the ipod builds able to be installed from windows yet?
09:17:49Paul_The_NerdNot as far as I'm aware.
09:18:15Membrillodang. Im keen to try it on my Video but only have access to windows
09:18:27BgerPaul_The_Nerd are you using the last ver. of apple fw ?
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09:19:00Membrillois anyone interested in buying spare ipod parts?
09:19:16Membrilloeverything except the harddrive. Thats the part that broke :P
09:19:58Paul_The_NerdBger: The nano hasn't had an update yet. Also, apparently it's a known issue, and was one with the minis as well
09:20:00BgerMembrillo what ipod ?
09:20:07Paul_The_NerdI found a Hydrogenaudio thread about it.
09:20:39Bgerhm, ok, at least you're not alone :)
09:20:47Paul_The_NerdApparently it's when the clock speed needs to suddenly change
09:21:00Paul_The_NerdIf you enable equalizer settings so that it's raised constantly it's *less* likely to stutter.
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09:22:27Bgermaybe it's a "low watermark" issue
09:23:28Paul_The_NerdBut Apple only acknowledges problems if files created using their encoders have issues.
09:25:19Bgerthis is ... stupid
09:26:02Paul_The_NerdI think that if you sell an "MP3 player" you're obligated to either display some warning on the packaging that it may not play all MP3 files, or support the whole standard.
09:26:20Bgerfor sure...
09:26:35Bger otherwise it's not a full mp3 player ...
09:27:02Paul_The_NerdI just thought mine might be defective, but then when they "tested" it at the store, I discovered they only used AAC files when I was complaining about issues with MP3 playback.
09:27:41Paul_The_NerdThen, when I called their phone support, they said "We can only support problems with MP3 files ripped and encoded through iTunes. This is in an effort to help prevent piracy" (As if no legal MP3s exist out there)
09:28:05Bgerdoes iTunes make mp3s ?
09:28:11Paul_The_NerdYou can tell it to.
09:28:17Paul_The_NerdIt's known for having a sub-pare MP3 encoder though.
09:28:57Bgersub-par ?
09:29:05Paul_The_NerdNot as good.
09:29:07Bgerlow quality ?
09:29:11Paul_The_NerdSo I hear.
09:29:14Bgerah, ok :)
09:29:17Bgervery possible...
09:29:22Paul_The_NerdI haven't tried it, but people are not generally appreciative of it.
09:29:38Bgerlame is the best mp3 encoder for middle/high bitrates ...
09:29:39Paul_The_NerdThough you'd think they wouldn't feel the need to create a good MP3 encoder if they want people to use AAC anyway.
09:31:34Paul_The_NerdI'm not sure if I'm happy knowing that mine isn't defective, or upset knowing that a device I expected to be an MP3 player isn't.
09:32:44BgerPaul_The_Nerd in fact you've bought it with the idea running rockbox on it, so... :)
09:35:51Paul_The_NerdYeah, I just wanted to be sure it wasn't defective, first.
09:36:16Paul_The_NerdI've already played around with Rockbox on it a good bit.
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09:44:37Bger recording_screen();
09:44:37Bger rec_menu();
09:44:37Bger main_menu();
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10:26:22preglowanyone here running debian testing?
10:27:19Slasheriunstable here..
10:27:33preglowi'm trying to install libgtkmm-2.4-dev, but it fails miserably
10:27:38preglowand i think it's testing just being broken
10:27:39preglowi hate testing
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10:32:04LinusNsilly laptop keyboard
10:32:08preglowthey are silly indeed
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10:40:45markunAbout the datasheets of th X5 LCD.. do we need the datasheet of the driver only, or also of the LCD module?
10:41:10preglowjust the controller chip
10:41:25markunThen I'll update the wiki again
10:41:28Bgerpreglow and how do you know then how to setup it ?
10:41:38Bgermarkun better the 2
10:41:47LinusNthe datasheet wiki contains all we need
10:42:48markunLinusN: wasn't the datasheet lost when the wiki was hacked?
10:43:14markunAh, you put is back..
10:44:06LinusNhad forgotten to do that, and the hardwarecomponents wiki addition yesterday reminded me
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10:46:27warewolfhas anyone noticed on the H3xx that the usb charging is a little strange if you don't boot the iRiver firmware first?
10:47:09markunThe datasheet pages is getting quite a monster when I also add the gigabeat
10:48:14warewolfBger: like I let the unit charge for hours, then unplug it from USB. It boots into the iRiver firmware on usb-disconnect, and shows the battery level as zero (no bars at all in the battery charge indicator)
10:48:35warewolfBger: if I power off, and boot the iRiver firmware, the battery charge indicator shows it's full
10:48:47warewolfBger: if I plug it back into USB to let it charge, it continues to charge again.
10:49:08Bgerwarewolf huh
10:49:42warewolfso like I said, strange :)
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10:53:07amiconnpreglow: I'm running testing on my VM
10:53:19LinusNwarewolf: rockbox doesn't handle charging at all on the h300 (yet)
10:53:50warewolfLinusN: I suspected as much. But, on usb-attach from a powered-off state, it runs some part of the iRiver firmware, right? That handles the charging?
10:54:37LinusNno iriver code is executed if the bootloader starts rockbox
10:55:06LinusNhowever, the pcf50606 remembers the settings between boots
10:55:26LinusNat least some of them
10:55:32warewolfok when I plug it into USB, I don't see the rockbox boot loader
10:55:56warewolfI see the iRiver boot screen, scanning disk, etc, then it drops into charging mode
10:55:56LinusNthat's probably because it doesn't see the ON key
10:56:40Bgerno, the reason is other ... if iriver fw sees usb is connected after bootup, it goes either to charging or to connected state
10:56:41warewolfIs the unit never really completely turned "off" ?
10:56:56Bgerdepending on the settings
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10:57:43Bgerah, i meant something other
10:57:57Bgerforget what i said
10:59:51preglowamiconn: could you please try to install libgtkmm-2.4-dev and see if it's even possible?
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11:07:15warewolfLinusN: any idea what the average charged battery voltage should be on a H340?
11:07:38warewolfLinusN: I realise that it is likely to change based on age of the battery, etc
11:07:58LinusNit depends on the age of the battery, and the current load, but between 4.0 and 4.2
11:08:44LinusNi'd say 4.1
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11:14:52amiconnpreglow: I'm currently upgrading the installation. I can try after that
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11:19:55Pilinus: i would value your input
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11:41:21LinusNyes, i'd like a skip-first-keypress function as well
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11:53:40amiconnI don't
11:53:56amiconnIt makes blind navigation more difficult
11:55:29LinusNdidn't think of that, then it should be an option
11:57:45Piwas there a reason the first two points havent been done or is it just no one has gotten around to it
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12:01:13amiconnThere are reasons why (1) and (2) aren't done
12:02:04Pithat is what i am getting at, what are they?
12:04:42markunPi: 1 hasn't be done because the language file system needs to be changed to be able to have different messages depending on the player
12:04:56LinusN(1) we want it to be the Navi key, but the text translation system can't have target specific strings (yet)
12:05:37LinusN(2) the internal code structure makes this difficult
12:06:12LinusN(3) i bet there was
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12:06:23Pithanks guys
12:06:34t0masgood morning
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12:07:36LinusNPi: besides, misticriver is hardly the place to ask "the devs" questions
12:08:30Piit was a big question, i linked to it a couple of times from here
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12:08:47Topic"Rockbox MP3 Player firmware - - We DO NOT estimate release dates. You'll find out when it happens." by t0mas (n=Tomas@unaffiliated/t0mas)
12:08:57Mode"#RockBox -o t0mas " by t0mas (n=Tomas@unaffiliated/t0mas)
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12:17:45Jungti1234I came back!
12:18:30Bgerwb, Jungti1234 :P
12:27:38Pito add language support to the colour patch...
12:27:49Pido i just need to replace "Aqua" with ID2P(LANG_COLOR_AQUA)
12:27:57Pithen ad an entry to english.lang
12:28:11Pior do i need to edit all the .lang files#
12:30:48preglowyou can fix as many lang files as you want
12:30:52preglowbut just english will do
12:31:19preglowbut what are we talking about here?
12:31:23preglowa profile name or something?
12:31:39preglowif it's just a name, i don't know if we want to translate it
12:31:59Pihave you looked at the colour patch?
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12:32:18preglowi haven't looked at anything rockbox related for a while
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12:32:35Pisettings so you can chose the fore and background colours
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12:33:56Piyou can chose from 17 different colours
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12:37:25preglowwhy can't we just use a colour map? i can see this colour list growing very big
12:38:18Jungti1234Tomorrow I go to iriverzone.
12:39:33preglowlater i go to the pub
12:40:40Jungti1234pub? hahaha
12:41:28Pithe current colors are:Aqua, Black, Blue, Fuchsia, Green, Grey, Lime, Navy, Olive, Orange, Purple, Red, RB Blue, Silver, Teal, White, Yellow
12:41:30Piand yes I am intending a custom coloures feature
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12:42:02preglowyes, just so that we don't end up with a truckload of colours to translate
12:43:11gibbsLinusN: I was wondering if you will/could make it so that the h3xx will not boot up to the iriver fw everytime you plug it in for recharge, b/c the clock resets everytime the iriver fw boots
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12:43:54saa[b_r]iderpaprica: I'm back
12:44:01Jungti1234hi saa[b_r]ider. :)
12:44:16saa[b_r]iderhello jungti
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12:45:13saa[b_r]iderthanks! lots of CES news to read :) did you see the new iRiver PMC?
12:45:28Pipreglow: do you think 17 colours is too many?
12:45:28t0maslooks good
12:45:52t0masonly the windows media icon
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12:46:04t0masthat makes me think of DRM and hard-to-hack
12:46:09saa[b_r]iderPi: did you add new colors?
12:46:40Jungti1234Is it really iriver PMC?
12:46:57preglowPi: maybe
12:47:07t0masJungti1234: I haven't seen that version either :)
12:47:08saa[b_r]idernot sure, it says "River"
12:47:25t0masTexas Instruments
12:47:31saa[b_r]iderthis is at the "Texas Instruments" booth
12:47:32preglowPi: i think perhaps fewer presets and a custom colour selector would be nice
12:47:38Jungti1234yes, It's written that it's 'River'.
12:47:51saa[b_r]iderthey're showcasing their processor
12:47:58t0masah ok
12:48:11t0mashow has that google box ended btw?
12:48:58Jungti1234I don't believe it.
12:49:54Jungti1234I don't believe it.
12:49:59Jungti1234oops sorry
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12:50:50Piso if there are to be less presets, how many/what should they be?
12:51:10t0masJungti1234: nice girl...
12:51:16t0masoh... you wanted to show the phone? :P
12:51:27Jungti1234yes :D
12:51:37t0masthat's just a stupid way of advertising...
12:51:42Jungti1234It's WiBro. :)
12:52:00t0masin the Netherlands we have the HCC-dagen... tech conference like
12:52:25Jungti1234What is HCC-dagen?
12:52:39t0masand every year again, some pull out miss universe or miss world... and get an add like: "Get a picture of you and miss universe next to our product."
12:52:49muesli__LinusN are you member of the Piratpartiet? ;)
12:53:42t0masand a big load of nerds is running there... to wait in a line for over an hour... just to get a picture
12:54:19muesli__poor fools ;)
12:54:38t0masI've worked there last year... for a pc magazine... so I have a picture too :P
12:54:46t0masw/o product... with autograph :P
12:54:56t0mascouldn't stand the temptation to get that one...
12:54:57muesli__show us that pic ;)
12:55:04t0masbut I haven't waited for an hour
12:55:12t0masjust walked by after closing hours
12:55:27t0masmuesli__: I can scan it, but I'll have to find it first...
12:55:35t0masit's not that intresting to look at ;)
12:55:37muesli__mk :-/
12:55:49muesli__i am interested in miss world ;)
12:56:05t0masalso walked by the Microsoft stand after closing hours... when they introduced the media center thing
12:56:29Jungti1234muesli__: How about Miss Korea?
12:56:40t0masanybody seen miss iceland?
12:56:40muesli__hand her over ;)
12:57:00t0masshe was miss world 2005
12:57:01muesli__lost in a geysir
12:57:02Jungti1234I seem to see her.
12:57:41t0masthis years miss world
12:57:55muesli__bought :D
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12:58:31t0maswell... if they put her in that bikini up next year...
12:58:37t0masI will stand in a line ;)
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12:59:00t0masno matter what stupid intel product is with her :P
12:59:32t0masJungti1234: should I be able to read that?
12:59:53Jungti1234 <- Every country's beautiful girls.
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13:00:23Jungti1234t0mas: no :(
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13:00:41Jungti1234It deleted.
13:01:06t0mashm... I still like Iceland's better ;)
13:01:09muesli__here we go ;)
13:01:43Jungti1234South Korea woman is the best.
13:02:13*t0mas slowly starts looking at what this has to do with mp3 players ;)
13:02:31t0masmaybe a new rockbox logo for the H300? ;)
13:03:04t0masbrb, phone
13:03:07Jungti1234What logo?
13:05:09Jungti1234I'm a nice guy. :D
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13:06:23Jungti1234good night all
13:06:28markungood night junti
13:06:39Jungti1234I sleep early. :)
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13:20:38peturIf I would move H3xx digital recording gain to the recording screen as well, would this patch have a changce of getting accepted?
13:22:30peturand change the names to 'analog gain' and 'digital gain'...
13:25:25LinusNpetur: changing the string would be a problem on the archos, since "analog gain" might not fit on the lcd
13:26:13peturso keep ADC gain and only on iRiver add 'digital gain'
13:27:31peturwoops - it now only says 'gain' - is that all the space there is?
13:28:29LinusNpretty much
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13:29:40peturI could just add 'decrementer' below the current 'gain' for iriver, but most users wouldn't understand...
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13:35:48LinusNpetur: "decimator"
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13:36:33peturLinusN: sorry, mixing RB and work ;)
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13:53:04amiconnpreglow: I can select libgtkmm-2.4-dev for installation. It selects a number of dependent packages
13:54:43amiconnHowever, since the last upgrade I get 'packages not authenticated' for a number of packages :puzzeld:?
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13:58:04preglowahh, yes
13:58:08preglowthere are problems with testing
13:58:13preglownevermind, i've done a reinstall anyway
13:58:59preglowi don't get how you can say it's hard to install linux, i'm on wireless network now, with an expensive and not too common soundcard, and i had an install going in thirty minutes
13:59:03preglowgot to be bad luck, i guess
14:00:10preglowand now for something completely different, i just had rockbox mess up a playlist again. i inserted one directory just before another one finished. it then continued on the inserted directory, but then, after one track, it started playing something completely different
14:00:14preglowi think it's a race condition
14:00:31preglowit might have just started buffering the next track when i inserted a new directory to the playlist
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14:03:06amiconnpreglow: The basic installation isn't that hard (although it usually takes longer than a windows install), but getting everything running smoothly is
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14:03:48preglowlinux installs are actually a bit quicker than windows installs for me
14:04:40preglowbut not by much
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14:12:12_FireFly_amiconn: it depends how many packages will be installed on linux-installation
14:12:40_FireFly_and remember you get more tools/programs installed when installing linux then when only installing windows ;)
14:13:33amiconnI know
14:14:42preglowcomplete reinstall with a stable branch
14:14:51preglowand the _SAME_ package is _STILL_ uninstallable
14:14:59preglowthis just isn't funny anymore
14:15:34amiconnThat's the kind of linux 'fun' I'm often running into :/
14:15:35_FireFly_so a speed comparison between windows installation and gnu/linux-distribution installation is the same as you would compare apple with pears
14:16:57amiconnSomething just won't work, and no help is available/ retrievable
14:17:47preglowthis is good old-fashioned debian fun
14:17:50preglowi hope it rots
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15:19:49Papricasup? =]
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15:23:17saa[b_r]iderjust got a cup of tea :)
15:23:57PapricaBon appetit
15:24:24saa[b_r]iderthanks! there have been many responses to your Rockcalander thread at MR
15:24:59Papricayes, i saw
15:25:05Papricamm what it means
15:25:06Papricaa.c:468: warning: 'col' might be used uninitialized in this function
15:26:14BgerPaprica it means that there is a code path in a.c that allows col to be used before u've set it to some value
15:26:40Bgeri.e. using it before it has been initialized
15:26:48Piis ther a case fn?
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15:27:06Bgerpi yes
15:27:13Bgerswitch (var) {
15:27:21Papricaok 10q
15:27:25Bgercase case1: ...
15:27:31Bgercase case2: ...
15:27:39Bgerdefault: ...
15:27:47JaviMMHi. One little question about the Rockbox firm. Does it support the Archos Gmini XS 202?. Thank you in advance.
15:27:53Bgerwhere case1, case2 ... are constants
15:27:55Bgerbut beware
15:28:14Bgeryou should use "break;" to break the switch
15:28:26Bgerotherwise it'll continue to the next value
15:28:27Bgerthat is
15:28:34Bgerif var == case1
15:28:36[San]is rockbox loading for anyone?
15:28:47[San] that is
15:29:06Matze41[San]: yep for me it is loading
15:29:07Bgerand you don't have the break; just before case2: it'll continue to execute the case2 ...
15:29:33Pisorry i was asking paprica if ther was a swich fn in the code,(i had that error yesterday)
15:30:04[San]JaviMM: <−−- Thats where you download rockbox, and if the player isn't listed, it isn't supported
15:31:06[San] <−−- And there
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15:31:40godzirraHeya guys.
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15:32:07godzirraI just updated to the new rockbox, and my old version would remember what was in my playlist that I was playing currently. For some reason this one doesnt, and it unloads my wps everytime it powers off...
15:32:11godzirraAm I doing something wrong?
15:32:37Paprica[::] <Pi> sorry i was asking paprica if ther was a swich fn in the code,(i had that error yesterday)
15:32:46Papricai use case
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15:38:35Pipaprica: is it fixed?
15:39:38Pinice to hear
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16:04:33godzirraaynone know?
16:04:36godzirraanyone even
16:09:10saa[b_r]idergodzirra: sounds strange
16:09:34godzirraI agree
16:10:30saa[b_r]iderif you click stop, then the playlist entries will be removed, so maybe that's causing your problem
16:10:42godzirraHuh. Thats odd. My old version didn't do that...?
16:12:25amiconnThe playlist entries are *not* removed when pressing stop. Otherwise resume wouldn't work
16:13:11saa[b_r]ideramiconn: you're right, godzirra: ignore what I said...
16:13:13godzirraamiconn: thats what I'm saying... my reusme doesnt work now since I updated...
16:13:21godzirrado I have to turn resume back on after updating?
16:14:23saa[b_r]iderto correct my self: after clicking stop, you can create a new playlist when going to the playlist menu, rather then going to the "view current playlist" option (which is what you get if you access the playlist menu *during* playback)
16:15:39godzirraDo I need to turn on resume again?
16:15:43godzirraand if so, how?
16:16:10amiconnResume can't be turned off, it's always possible. What can be turned on/off is just the auto-resume at startup
16:16:35godzirraAhh, ok. How do I turn back on autoresume?
16:17:48saa[b_r]idergodzirra: when you said it remembered what your playlist was playing, you were actually talking about auto resume...
16:18:12saa[b_r]iderand when you said it now unloads your wps, you ment it loaded into the file tree....
16:18:28godzirrasaa[b_r]ider: No, I meant it unloads my wps.
16:18:35godzirraThe first part you got right. The second part you didnt :)
16:18:41godzirraso how do I turn back on autoresume?
16:18:41saa[b_r]iderloads a different one?
16:18:51godzirraIt looks the way it does when I dont have a wps loaded.
16:20:19saa[b_r]iderdefinately you just need auto resume, hang on, I'll turn my iRiver on
16:21:49saa[b_r]idergeneral settings/playback/resume on startup :)
16:22:01saa[b_r]iderdoesn't hurt to look around ;)
16:23:10saa[b_r]idertry it and tell me if that solves your problem
16:26:35godzirrayup yup
16:27:58godzirrayeah, if I turn it off then back on, it unloads my wps.
16:28:03godzirraautoresume does work now though.
16:29:13saa[b_r]iderWPS doesn't load unless you're playing music, which is why it doesn't load when autoresume is on ;)
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16:30:02saab_ridera few weeks ago, WPS would load at startup even if autoresume wasn't on
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16:31:58godzirradamn.. how come that was taken out?
16:32:04godzirraIt means autoresume will always look ugly?
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16:44:08godzirrasaa[b_r]ider: how come they changed it? And are they going to change it back?
16:45:24saab_riderI think it was someone's prefrence, and I don't know if they will... all you need to do is let the developers know that you want this as an option
16:45:39saab_riderbut I'm not sure we're both talking about the same thing...
16:45:53saab_riderwhat do you mean "autoresume will always look ugly"?
16:46:05joshn_454Is anyone here working on the ipod port?
16:46:57saab_riderjoshn just out of curiosity, which iPod generation do you have
16:47:20godzirrasaa[b_r]ider: I mean when you turn the iriver off then back on, the wps doesnt get loaded anymore.
16:47:27godzirraso it uses the 'default' one which is ugly and broken looking.
16:47:54saab_riderjoshn: oh, I don't think they're working on that at the moment. the guys here own 4G and Nano afaik
16:48:19saab_riderif auto resume is on, it will load WPS on startup
16:48:27godzirraAutoresume is on and it did not load my wps.
16:48:29joshn_454well, the audio doesn't work right now, and I'm wondering if it works on any of the players
16:48:37joshn_454any of the ipods
16:48:46saab_riderhang on...
16:49:10godzirrathanks for all your help ?)
16:49:24saab_riderjoshn: not really sure to be honest. there's a new iPod forum at RB's site
16:49:59saab_ridergodzirra (you're making me waste my battery, and I just finished recharging!) ;)
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16:50:09godzirraHehe sorry.
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16:50:29saa[b_r]iderj/k ;)
16:51:55saa[b_r]idergodzirra, does it play music on startup when you have auto resume set to on?
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16:52:17saa[b_r]iderand what shows up on yor screen?
16:52:52saa[b_r]iderjoshn, do you have the 30GB or 60?
16:53:45godzirraThe top line is the battery/volume/play, the second line is the title, the third line is the band, the fourth line is the cd name, then a blank line, the timer: (played/total), after that is the bit rate and id3v1.1, and the next line is the broken looking progress meter.
16:53:51godzirrathe bottom half of the screen is empty.
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16:54:37saa[b_r]iderok... that IS the WPS... maybe you mean it's not the WPS you've previously chosen
16:55:01godzirraYes, its not the wps that I had loaded before I powered off.
16:55:15saa[b_r]iderhave you done any patches?
16:55:29godzirraNope. Just updated to the release downloaded from the rockbox site.
16:55:44godzirraI did this... yesterday or the day before I believe.
16:56:07joshn_454saa[b_r]ider: 60
16:56:24godzirraI want a 60 gig ipod video :/
16:56:25saa[b_r]idertry selecting other WPSs, and turn off the player, then on again.... see if it's just a problem with the WPS you want to use
16:56:50saa[b_r]iderjoshn: have you bought the dock, and remote?
16:57:02joshn_454well, I got it with porting rockbox in mind; I *hate* apple's firmware
16:57:04godzirrasaa[b_r]ider: nope. happens with the other wps too.
16:57:20joshn_454I'd take the old archos recorder w/ rockbox to the ipod w/ apple's firmware
16:57:32joshn_454no dock or remote
16:57:54saa[b_r]idergodzirra: my previously chosen WPS is loading fine, can't really think of why it's not working for you
16:58:17saa[b_r]iderI take it you don't have the A/V cable either
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16:58:36godzirrasaa[b_r]ider: how new is your version?
16:59:22saa[b_r]iderjanuary 4th
16:59:28godzirraHRm. Damnit.
16:59:34godzirraThat may be the version I grabbed.
16:59:58saa[b_r]idergodzirra, are you using an H100? I have an H300
17:00:14godzirraWhat the hells an H300?
17:00:33saa[b_r]iderI wouldn't know if this has anything to do with it...
17:00:44saa[b_r]ideriRiver H340, color LCD
17:00:56godzirraDamn thats cool.
17:01:03godzirrahow much are they?
17:01:07saa[b_r]iderhave you been under a shell :)
17:01:21godzirraNah, I stopped looking at mp3 players when I bought mine.
17:01:24godzirraIts just depressing :)
17:01:39saa[b_r]iderhahaha.... mine is over a year old now
17:01:44godzirraMines 2-3 I think.
17:01:48godzirraIt works great though, so I have no reason to upgrade.
17:02:10godzirraand I have enough toys without needing a video playero n my mp3 player.
17:02:21saa[b_r]iderhas USB host, doesn't have optical in/out, plays videos at 15 fps (or 10, I forget)
17:02:54godzirraYeah, the usb host is pretty sweet.
17:03:04godzirraStill not something worth me spending a few hundred bucks on though ;)
17:03:25saa[b_r]idernever made use of it to be honest :) not that I don't care for the feature, but I don't have a digital camera at the moment!
17:04:07saa[b_r]iderpost a question at the RB forum, I'm sure someone can help
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17:04:30godzirraI dont either :/ I'm missing my digital camera too.
17:04:39godzirrawas gonna get a new one this month, but car broke down so have to deal with that instead.
17:06:25saa[b_r]idersucks when things like that happen!
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17:09:29discombobulatedHi all
17:10:29discombobulatedThink i might have killed my H340 :'(
17:11:02discombobulatedgetting "ATA error: -1"
17:11:06discombobulatedany suggestions?
17:11:20discombobulateddone it loads
17:11:37discombobulatedi'm assuming you are talking about reset button
17:11:56saa[b_r]iderwhat did you do before the error started?
17:12:04discombobulateddropped it, lol
17:12:22discombobulatedhad rockbox on as well
17:12:33preglowdropped it....
17:12:48preglowthat does indeed sound good
17:12:49saa[b_r]iderdon't think it's rockbox's fault in your situation!
17:12:59preglowdo you remember if the disk was spinning?
17:13:25saa[b_r]iderpreglow: a guy was asking if there's any audio at all on iPod atm
17:13:37discombobulatednot sure if disk was spinning
17:13:41discombobulatedit was ok for a few mins
17:13:57discombobulatedthen I went to save settings to a .cfg, and it just died
17:13:58preglowsaa[b_r]ider: audio, yes, glitchy, yes
17:14:08preglowit's just some test code
17:14:21saa[b_r]iderbut only tested on the nano and 4G right?
17:14:57saa[b_r]iderany attempts on using it with a 5G?
17:16:18preglowdoesn't work
17:16:27discombobulatedIf I send it back to Iriver on warranty, are they going to have a spaz because I have RB on it?
17:16:41saa[b_r]idermost likely
17:16:42godzirraDoes it power up at all?
17:16:42joshn_454preglow: any idea why?
17:16:51godzirraYeah. that sucks.
17:17:06discombobulatedthe hard drive clicks for about a min
17:17:06preglowjoshn_454: no, probably wont be very hard to fix, though
17:17:19saa[b_r]iderpreglow: joshn is asking about 5G
17:17:23discombobulatedthen i get "ATA error: -1"
17:17:37joshn_454yeah, started going down the route of a different DAC, but couldn't find datasheets for the 5g chip
17:18:12saa[b_r]iderjoshn: 454 as in ci?
17:18:34saa[b_r]idernever mind :) cubic inch
17:19:27preglowsaa[b_r]ider: i know...
17:19:36discombobulatedsoo, i'm screwed I presume
17:19:42preglowdiscombobulated: pretty much
17:19:54discombobulated£250 out the window :(
17:19:56preglowjoshn_454: i think the dac is more or less the same
17:20:04preglowjoshn_454: might just be a subtle driver difference
17:20:18saa[b_r]iderdisco look at the bright side, you can now upgrade your hard drive :)
17:20:25discombobulatedto what?
17:20:52discombobulatedwhat about insurance
17:20:58joshn_454preglow: with what? the DAC? isn't that about the only chip that's different?
17:21:12saa[b_r]ideryou guys care for insurance too much in the UK :)
17:21:13joshn_454I guess I haven't looked at the i2s chip...
17:22:01saa[b_r]iderif you were the type who worries about this kind of thing, you should've waited for your warrenty to end before adding RB ;)
17:22:30discombobulatedim impatient :P
17:22:30preglowjoshn_454: the wolfson codec chip has a very different part number on the 5g as compared to the nano
17:22:37preglowjoshn_454: and those two players are very similar othereise
17:22:42saa[b_r]iderI say upgrade, but just make sure you don't drop it again!
17:23:02discombobulatedwell, if insurance doesnt work, then will take it apart
17:23:09discombobulatedbecause im assuming that voids warranty
17:23:12joshn_454sorry, the wolfson chip was what I meant by DAC
17:23:22saa[b_r]iderunless the price of the drive is close to the price of a new DAP...
17:23:38saa[b_r]ideroh, I didn't get you at first. your DAP is insured?
17:24:04discombobulatedit should be, home contents
17:24:12saa[b_r]iderdigital audio player
17:24:13discombobulatedDigital Audio Player
17:24:23discombobulatedhehe, same second
17:24:30saa[b_r]idera more acurate term than MP3 player
17:24:53*saa[b_r]ider is trying to be a quick robot
17:26:09discombobulatedthe one thing that annoyed me with the H340 was the size
17:27:37discombobulatedits just embarassing compared to the nano, even if it is a POS
17:27:58saa[b_r]iderI put an inskin, then RB came out for the H300, and now I love my player again
17:28:21*saa[b_r]ider 's turn to ask
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17:29:24godzirrapiece of shit.
17:30:17godzirraOr point of sale, depending on if you're talking to a waiter. ;)
17:30:40saa[b_r]idernow now disco, some might be offended by your comment :)
17:30:54saa[b_r]iderwe're all RB supporters here!
17:31:11godzirraI want a nano. they're just so neat and tiny.
17:31:16godzirraIt would go well with my gameboy micro :)
17:31:16*preglow strokes his nano
17:31:42saa[b_r]idernicee! how are those things! (micro)
17:31:54saa[b_r]iderwhat games do they play? GBA?
17:32:54godzirraI had a DS
17:32:54saa[b_r]ideriPods feel too delicate for me... I feel if I ever got one it'd end up being scuffed, or in the case of the nano, broken...
17:32:57godzirraI hate the touch screen.
17:33:03godzirraI detest it actually.
17:33:09godzirrathe genre of champions
17:33:12godzirraBLEW GOATS
17:33:20godzirrabecause you had to do this stupid magic seal crap on the touch screen.
17:33:26saa[b_r]iderthe Micro looks so old school....
17:33:55saa[b_r]iderbut nothing tops running home brew on the PSP!
17:34:02preglowi can think of a few things...
17:34:24saa[b_r]idersuch as :)
17:34:27preglowa beer!
17:34:39saa[b_r]iderhehehe... is it time already?
17:34:44preglow'fraid it is
17:35:14saa[b_r]iderhmm... maybe a cup of tea for me ;)
17:35:48godzirraI got the special edition micro
17:35:49godzirraits neat :)
17:35:56godzirraits like metallic maroon adn gold.
17:36:29godzirraI still need to buy a GBA flash cart to run homebrew :/
17:36:44Papricamm what is GPL ?
17:36:54saa[b_r]iderpreglow, carefull not to drop your nano in your pint :)
17:36:54godzirragoogle is your friend, mmkay?
17:37:27saa[b_r]iderlook who's talking, Mr. "DAP?"
17:38:13godzirragoogle DAP... the first 10 pages are NOT about digital audio players :)
17:38:22godzirragoogle GPL. The first 10 ARE about the license. :)
17:39:35*saa[b_r]ider recommends to godzirra to check-out , so he can get depressed
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17:49:35lostlogicshure E500, 3 separate drivers in an in-ear!? PTH sounds great, would definitely use it at work.
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17:52:09muesli__how much?
17:53:30lostlogic$500 MSRP
17:53:48lostlogicManufacturer's Suggested Retail Price
17:54:00muesli__ah..nobody cares about it
17:54:40lostlogicShure has a pretty small dealer network so they are usually priced close to MSRP... only place I've found otherwise is always on the edge of losing their sales relationship (
17:55:01godzirrawhats a pmp?
17:55:03muesli__i am just using ultimate ears eb with 2drivers
17:55:08muesli__portable media player
17:55:24muesli__"just" 180$
17:56:18lostlogic*nod* I have Shure E3, single driver... sometime in the next year I'll probably upgrade to something new and shiny
17:58:25muesli__what player are u using?
17:59:10lostlogicH340 international
17:59:56muesli__how's your hissing? are all of them doing that?
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18:11:37lostlogicmuesli__: it's audible for sure, but music at -65dB hides it completely
18:11:41mirakmy sound card behave so weird on linux (sblive 5.1) that it's simple for me to just plug the H300 !!
18:12:13miraksimplier, whatever word it is, it's easyer ^^
18:12:20lostlogicI love the playlist handling of rockbox so much more than that of winamp or xmms so I just use iRiver to play all my music
18:12:57mirakwell I don't have figured out yet how to use rockbox playlist
18:13:11miraklostlogic: how do you do ? :)
18:13:46lostlogicI like to listen to whole albums, so I just select the album I want in the browser, long nav, playlist, insert... then while that album is playing, I can choose the next album by hitting nav, selecting another album, long nav, playlist, insert last
18:14:38miraklostlogic: how do you choose the album ?
18:15:03miraklostlogic: do you need to enable database or something ?
18:15:12lostlogicmirak: that's how I have my music sorted, so it's just like "music\artist\album" in the dir browser
18:15:29mirakI have this sorting too
18:15:46mirakwell one thing I don't like in all the music players
18:15:54mirakit's that you can't queue an album
18:16:01mirakyou queue all the songs
18:16:05mirakof an album
18:16:20mirakbut not the album. So you can't easily change the album orders
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18:16:40miraklostlogic: can you do that with rockbox ?
18:16:48lostlogicmirak: no
18:17:11mirakI don't understand why you can't find this feature anywhere
18:17:18discombobulatedcan you create playlists within rockbox
18:17:22godzirraSo who do I put in feature requests to? :)
18:17:24godzirradiscombobulated: yes.
18:17:32discombobulatedhow godzirra?
18:17:58godzirraNo idea. If you hold down the play button on a directory ouy can add that directory to ap laylist
18:18:01godzirrabut I'm horrible at getting it to work
18:18:04discombobulatednot that it really matters now :@ :'(
18:18:13godzirraI generate my playlists outside of rockbox and just put them in the right directories on my mp3 player :)
18:18:37discombobulatedTDT's playlist editor is great
18:18:49discombobulatedTag Database Tool
18:19:06discombobulatedsorts out your tags, puts files in folders e.t.c
18:19:21discombobulatedgreat piece of software, very iriver orientated
18:19:39godzirralinux or windows?
18:19:55discombobulatednot sure if it is multi, but i use it on xp
18:19:57miraklostlogic: I think there should imbricated playlists. That's how the sorting of albums could be possible
18:20:15mirakyou could as well sort the songs inside an album
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18:23:42mirakyep just one level would enough
18:23:47godzirraYes. imbricated, v. Implicated in inbreeding.
18:24:11godzirraSeriously though. what does imbricated mean?
18:24:17mirakI mean you have a list of objects. This objects can be either a song or a playlist
18:24:27godzirraAhh. That'd be cool.
18:24:50mirakI find rockbox keys really weird
18:24:54lostlogicrockbox memory playlists are very simple pointer structures, that's why they're so fast... adding complexity to them would probably be discouraged, although I'm not a dev so that's just a guess.
18:25:25mirakI mean why having a long press with NAVI to acces to the functions like sorting or deleting.
18:25:39godzirraYeah, I can never remember which keys are which
18:25:51mirakwhen you will probably need it more than just chosing with short press
18:26:05lostlogicI do find the long press for context menu to be strange
18:26:34mirakfor it's would be better to have a long press to play a new sound.
18:27:11mirakbecause once you play you don't push other keys after that, while when you enter in a menu you need again to push other key
18:27:15saa[b_r]iderdifferent people will have different opinions on this...
18:27:35saa[b_r]idersome people just "select a track" to play
18:27:44saa[b_r]idersome want to create playlists
18:28:03godzirrasaab, who do I make recommendations to for features Iwant? (Or want BACK actually)
18:28:07godzirraor is it just me that the wps isnt loading for?
18:28:10godzirraon startup?
18:28:18mirakyes but entering a menue have less consequences than hitting accidentaly play
18:28:20saa[b_r]iderI think it's just you...
18:28:31saa[b_r]idertry to download a new build
18:29:09godzirraor bleeding edge?
18:29:15lostlogicgodzirra: you can post them as feature requests on sourceforge
18:29:29godzirralostlogic: well, its a feature that apparently just doesnt work for me :)
18:29:33godzirraIt used to work until I updated.
18:29:37saa[b_r]iderwhat ever you want... if there's a new feature that has been implemented that isn't in the daily yet, get the bleeding
18:29:40lostlogicoh that
18:29:59godzirraI just want my wps's to work right :)
18:30:00lostlogicI don't think anything has changed since the last daily build −− according to the webstie
18:30:15saa[b_r]iderMirak: and regarding sorting albums, you mean the track order within an album?
18:30:37saa[b_r]ider(just explaining the difference between the two)
18:30:40miraksaa[b_r]ider: secondarily why not
18:31:06mirakbut for me the most important would to be able to queue an album as a whole
18:31:40mirakthen if you queue another album, beeing able to change the order of the album
18:31:50mirak(not the songs inside the album)
18:32:07mirakthis comes from the usage I have of cd's. I most of the time play a cd in a row
18:32:09saa[b_r]ideryou want to change which album to play first?
18:32:30miraksaa[b_r]ider: yes. and be able to select the order of multiple albums
18:32:44miraksome time I add things to playlist, then change my mind
18:32:50lostlogicyeah, it would be nice to be able to "insert as next album" as opposed to "insert album after this song"
18:32:51mirakso I need to change all the songs
18:33:03saa[b_r]iderthen just insert the albums to the playlist in the order you want in the first place
18:33:13miraksaa[b_r]ider: hehe
18:33:28godzirraweird. it works now.
18:33:47saa[b_r]iderwell at least you don't have to worry about it anymore!
18:33:57godzirraBecause I was stressing about it, lemme tell ya :)
18:34:11saa[b_r]idermirak: I hope you know the difference between queue and insert in RB
18:34:13godzirraSomeone recommend some good music. I need something new :/
18:34:20godzirrasaa[b_r]ider: I dont. What is it?
18:34:29miraksaa[b_r]ider: but what I am talking about is about any music player, software or hardware.
18:34:33godzirraI assume insert inserts at the current place? and queue puts them at the end?
18:34:45miraksaa[b_r]ider: I am discovering it. I never used queues in rockbox
18:34:55godzirrawhats the diff?
18:35:00saa[b_r]iderinsert adds the track to the playlist, and it stays after it's played...
18:35:16godzirraand queue does...?
18:35:23saa[b_r]iderqueue adds the track, and after it's played, it's not in the playlist anymore
18:35:35saa[b_r]iderfor tracks you only want to play once...
18:35:41godzirraSo someone... recommend good music. for me. I'm bored. :)
18:35:56mirakgodzirra: Primus
18:36:09mirakit's fun and bizarre
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18:36:16godzirraI've got primus. Plenty. I need new :)
18:36:20saa[b_r]idersay you have a playlist, and a mate wanted to listen to a certain song (while you used your DAP in the car), but you didn't want this track in your playlist for the future, you just use queue
18:36:29godzirraGotcha. Makes sense.
18:36:30godzirrathats kinda cool.
18:36:36godzirraI can never get my playlists saved right.
18:36:39mirakgodzirra: you have all the full length albums ?
18:36:46godzirramirak: I work for a music store.
18:36:48saa[b_r]iderI tell you, they thought of everything!
18:36:56godzirramirak: I don't currently, but I could.
18:37:00godzirraI have a few of em.
18:37:26saa[b_r]idergodzirra, can't get them saved on RB, or on your PC?
18:37:41godzirraon the pc I just use perl to make one for me :)
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18:37:57saa[b_r]iderwhat problem do you have in RB?
18:38:10saa[b_r]iderthey don't playback after saving them?
18:38:10godzirraI don't ever use their playlist editor, mostly :)
18:38:17godzirraNah, its a user operation error.
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18:38:53saa[b_r]iderit's pretty easy. and so damn cool.
18:38:56miraksaa[b_r]ider: how do you blank the playlist ?
18:39:11saa[b_r]iderpush "stop"
18:39:20saa[b_r]idergo to the playlist menu
18:39:45godzirrahow do you save a playlist?
18:39:52saa[b_r]iderafter stop, go to the new track/album you want to add...
18:40:02godzirraI added a few albums. I think.
18:40:09saa[b_r]iderlong push navi,
18:40:51saa[b_r]iderand in the playlist menu, it will ask you if you want to insert, (it won't give you the "view current playlist" option)
18:41:01godzirraI dont have that option.
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18:41:12godzirrajust insert, insert next, insert last, queue, queue next queue last.
18:41:36godzirracan you not insert directories?
18:41:46saa[b_r]ideryes you can...
18:42:07godzirrai wasnt long holding
18:42:07saa[b_r]iderjust select it, and just like you add a track, add a directory
18:42:08mirakI don't understand why the music can be stopped when not on the play screen
18:42:31mirakfrom browser screen you can stop
18:42:57saa[b_r]idergodzirra, you need to know the difference between "file browser" and "playlist"
18:44:28saa[b_r]iderif you click navi once, you enter the file browser... to enter the current playlist, you must long press navi, go to playlist menu, view current playlist
18:44:40godzirrathanks for all your help. Gotta run for a physical.
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19:05:47HenbobHey, can someone here help me out please?
19:06:56*amiconn has a suspicion what godzirra's wps problem is
19:06:59preglowjust ask
19:07:02amiconnUnfortunately he's gone
19:07:24HenbobIs there a rockbox for the iRiver H320 in the UK?
19:07:48preglowyou mean the uk model of h320?
19:08:06preglowewll, yeah, that's a standard eu model, i'd believe
19:08:08preglowrockbox runs on that
19:08:38HenbobI got the patcher thing and it said something like "Unrecognised Firmware"
19:09:24preglowis that so
19:09:32preglowand you're sure the hex file is unmodified?
19:09:33HenbobAny ideas?
19:09:51preglowwhere'd you get it?
19:10:07HenbobI should try again. My mate told me how to do it, so i'm not sure, could you give me the links to the downloads i need please?
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19:14:45HenbobRight, got that HEX, now what?
19:18:18preglowjust follow the instructions on the page
19:19:09preglowdidn't there use to be instructions?
19:19:55preglowjust get fwpatcher and patch the hex file, then flash it idea
19:20:40preglowthere it is
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19:25:35HenbobToo complicated
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19:56:18saa[b_r]ideramicon: what do you think his problem was? cause it's gone already, and no one knows how :)
19:56:44saa[b_r]ider(godzirra's problem that is)
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20:20:12FebsIs it possible to turn on the H100/H300's internal microphone and monitor it while music is playing?
20:21:04FebsThe reason I ask is because I was just reading about the new Shure H500, which has a "Push to Hear" accessory that allows you to hear the world around you while wearing IEMs. It could be a useful feature if the hardware allows it.
20:21:49preglowsure, i should think so
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20:25:58*Febs wishes he had the skill to implement such a feature himself or the time to learn to do so.
20:27:13preglowbut i quite definitely think it's possible
20:27:28preglowno rockbox time for me these days, though
20:27:58SnifffurtMaybe I missed this bit of information... so If this is available at the rockbox www page... please tell me... But Is it easily possible to turn back to the vendors firmware with a iriver ihp-140 after flashing the rockbox firmware? eg. does the rockbox firmware support flashing the iriver firmware back? Is there a risk to trash my iriver ihp-140?
20:28:35FebsSnifffurt, check out the IriverFAQ page on the wiki. (I'll grab a link.)
20:29:00FebsThere is no flash routine in Rockbox, but Rockbox has a dual-boot feature, so you can always start the iriver firmware to re-flash.
20:29:04SnifffurtFebs: I've been having a eye on the iriver FAQ thow
20:29:30FebsLook at the FAQ on uninstalling Rockbox. That answers your question.
20:29:47SnifffurtI haven't looked on that one
20:30:32SnifffurtFebs: thx allot
20:31:19FebsThere is information here as well:
20:32:37SnifffurtFebs: I'm looking forward to try rockbox then. I've used to like rockbox allot back at my old archos device. :-)
20:40:46preglowthen you wont be disappointet
20:41:29Snifffurtpreglow: I think you're right. I've been having a look at the feature comparrison chart ;-)
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20:45:57muesli__Snifffurt which player?
20:46:47muesli__ah h140... check
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21:04:43saa[b_r]iderlostlogic: are you using the "add color to WPS" patch?
21:09:21lostlogicsaa[b_r]ider: no, just bitching about it on patchtracker
21:11:39saa[b_r]iderany idea how this patch is used? does it involve using tags in the .wps file for adding color?
21:12:59lostlogicthe current patch is one color per line I think, not positive
21:13:38saa[b_r]iderso this only affects the WPS... hmm it's a start I guess
21:16:22Snifffurtmuesli__: ah thx
21:19:13saa[b_r]iderafter a patch is applied, isn't the original .c file supposed to be backed up as .c.orig or something?
21:28:56lostlogicsaa[b_r]ider: only if there are questionable applications
21:29:02lostlogicsaa[b_r]ider: if it applies cleanly they don
21:29:05lostlogic't get saved
21:31:00saa[b_r]iderlostlogic: after patching I got "patching file filetree.c", but when I compiled, I think the batch wasn't actually made
21:31:13saa[b_r]iderbecause it didn't do what it was supposed to do
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21:31:52lostlogicare you in a CVS tree?
21:31:57lostlogicthen just cvs diff -u
21:32:12saa[b_r]ideractually, I have the source
21:32:25lostlogicdiff -u fileold filenew
21:32:57saa[b_r]iderdiff -u fileold filenew file.diff (right?)
21:34:10peturFebs: about that 'push to hear the world around you' - the audio chip has the ability to mix channels, it needs some investigation but I think it's possible...
21:35:17*petur will now try if champagne inhibits the possibility to code for RB. Previous attempts showed Belgian bear was not compatible ;)
21:36:50FebsPetur, I think it would be a great feature. I had thought about it a number of times before, even before I read about the Shure accessory.
21:37:16FebsI would gladly purchase some beer (Belgian or otherwise) for anyone who would be willing to take on the task of coding it!
21:37:54preglowyou're making this hard
21:38:29preglowthey've just imported some fancy trappist beer here
21:38:38lostlogichehe, or you could just buy PTH headphones like those coming out from Shure ;)
21:38:53peturwhich one (trappist)?
21:39:12peturthe first one I got drunk off
21:39:19preglowi'd imagine it's not too hard
21:39:19Febslostlogic, I have too many Shure headphones as it is! (E2, E3, E4)
21:39:39peturjust needed 3 of them (wasn't that old)
21:39:50preglowhell, i wouldn't need that much of it as is
21:40:00thegeekFebs : wow
21:40:02preglowi get easily drunk these days, and the stuff is strong
21:40:18preglow11.3%, ahhh....
21:40:19thegeekhow do you find the bass and midtones of the E3 compared to the two others?
21:40:38peturat work we drink Leffe on fridays (except today - newyears drink)
21:40:42FebsYeah, I also have a pair of Koss KSC-75s and just bought Alessandro MS-1s.
21:41:18preglowironically i can't get leffe here
21:41:35lostlogicFebs: oh yeah, I saw your review, nice BTW −− I don't think the E4 are worth upgrading to from the E3.
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21:41:47lostlogicFebs: oh yeah, I saw your review, nice BTW −− I don't think the E4 are worth upgrading to from the E3.
21:41:54peturpreglow: strange, it is one of the more commercial beers...
21:42:01preglowpetur: i know
21:42:08preglowrochefort, a-ok! leffe, no!
21:42:25preglowsomeone buy me a case of westvleteren, and i'll do whatever
21:42:45thegeeknice review Febs
21:43:01peturmost Belgians prefer Rochefort, so enjoy it. Westvleteren is hard to get, even for us ;)
21:43:15preglowi know, which is why i want it, heh
21:43:19thegeekI already have the E3's, and while I am not a bass-head at all, I do find the bass a bit lacking sometimes
21:43:42dpassen1I have e2c's and I barely use them these days.
21:45:08thegeekthese e3's are actually my third pair, got replaced two times because of bad wires(supposedly, sound was fucked up)
21:45:32dpassen1KSC-35s are my everyday headphones.
21:45:34thegeekso even though I initially bought the e3's over two years ago, I have a almost brand new set ;)
21:46:20muesli__ksc-35's werent really useful in my opinion
21:46:44muesli__too mute, not convient to wear..not my cup of tea
21:47:09preglowthis reminds me i need new earphones
21:47:09dpassen1hit or miss, i suppose
21:47:58dpassen1My friend has a pair of e4c's. I tried them with the triflange tips, sounded great.
21:47:59thegeekI wish I could have the sound and comfort of my sennheiser 595's without the size;)
21:48:36lostlogicI should have a shure quitespot boom cell phone handsfree waiting at home when I get there today
21:48:38SnifffurtI have to thank the devs for the great rockbox iriver firmware. It is great. It shows twice as much info as the iriver firmware while playing on half of the display size. And it shows 10x directories in the directory browser. Well done
21:48:47lostlogicreally looking forward to not having to use my clunky crappy earbud any more
21:49:54preglowhear hera!
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21:52:03preglowFebs: but yeah, if you can think of a nice way to make such a feature into a setting, chances are bigger it'll happen
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22:02:22peturwhich source file contains the recording settings menu?
22:02:53saa[b_r]iderwow, you can listen to the radio in USB mode!
22:03:55preglowradio doesn't use the disk
22:04:12mirakis it possible to not enable usb when the cable is pluggued and charging the battery instead ?
22:04:48_FireFly_mirak: not on iriver
22:05:18mirakbut with iriver firmware when we plug usb cable it doesn't directly go in UMS mode
22:05:23mirakit starts to charge first
22:05:30mirakthen you need to push play
22:05:36mirakto enter chage mode
22:05:57saa[b_r]iderwait for the next bootloader
22:06:15mirakI am patient
22:06:16saa[b_r]iderI think it will be supported then
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22:06:48mirakwhat we don't know if supported is UMS + charging from usb at the same time
22:07:17saa[b_r]iderwould that be possible?
22:07:34mirakwould be nice, but we don't know
22:08:09mirakiriver firmware doesn't propose that
22:08:28mirakin fact iriver firmware don't allow to charge with usb and listen music
22:08:54mirakthat's a pity too
22:09:08saa[b_r]ideron the H300, after saving a radio preset, isn't long press A-B supposed to toggle between scan and preset modes?
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22:09:25mirakdon't remember
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22:10:28saa[b_r]ideroh god, this is the worst radio program ever (listening to the change in vegetable prices!!!!!)
22:10:44saa[b_r]iderNOW FRUITS!
22:11:28saa[b_r]iderI added a new preset station, and now I can't have the radio return to "scan mode"
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22:16:57*saa[b_r]ider slaps saa[b_r]ider around a bit with a large trout
22:17:10saa[b_r]iderthat was fun
22:17:55Josh04Gah. Is there anyone here who has had a fiddle around with the gigabeat bootloader?
22:19:34*preglow points to markun
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22:23:24Josh04:P I've been here since 4, and markun hasn't been on.
22:29:31petursaa[b_r]ider: press 'play' long to switch
22:31:21saa[b_r]ideryou caught me right before I was about to make a post in the forum :)
22:32:02peturit's very straight-forward ;)
22:33:14peturcan you save a preset without it crashing? (on H3xx)
22:33:52saa[b_r]iderpaly was the only button I didn't long press!! (it's 5 am and I didn't sleep yet)
22:34:35saa[b_r]iderI have no problems saving a preset, but autoscan preset doesn't seem to work. I'll remove the preset file and try again
22:36:13peturthis is weird: saving a preset works again. Must have been gcc 4.0.2 as well???
22:37:32saa[b_r]iderwell, 3 presets, they work like a charm...
22:40:03petursorry to have bothered... I'm glad I switched to gcc 3.4.5...
22:40:52*saa[b_r]ider wonders what gcc is
22:41:01peturthe compiler
22:41:12petur(used to build RB)
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22:41:38peturseems that when I build RB with gcc 4.0.2, I got weird crashes
22:42:57saa[b_r]iderI used the dev kit to compile RB under windows. it's supposed to be gcc-based as well, right?
22:43:11Bagderit is a stripped-down cygwin
22:43:15peturyeah - uses some older version
22:43:17Bagderso yes it is gcc
22:44:02*saa[b_r]ider is AMAZED at what he can hear listening through the record screen!
22:44:23saa[b_r]iderbut autopresets still don't work, right?
22:46:19peturhaven't tried yet
22:46:56BHSPitMonkeyif the rockbox bootloader is a stripped down version of rockbox, what boots IT? :P
22:48:42Bagderthe iriver flashed firmware
22:49:17Bagderthe bootloader isn't actually "booted" it is more "started"
22:50:15Josh04Right.... so markun is the only one who can possibly help me, and he has been idle for 3 days. Oh crap *cires*
22:50:52BagderJosh04: he's here regularly so have patience
22:51:03Josh04But I have borked my mp3 :P
22:51:06saa[b_r]iderjosh, I think he's been around. only it's the weekend now, and his status says that he's at a birthday ;)
22:51:07Bagderor post a Q in the forum
22:51:10Bagderor so
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22:51:56peturI think I saw markun online earlier today...
22:52:01saa[b_r]iderjust as bagder said, he's around, and you can always post at the new RB Gigabeat forum
22:52:01Josh04I'm just impatient with worry. I stuck a windows formatted boot script where you should only stick linux formatted text, and so my gigabeat is not working...
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22:52:58Josh04Okay, will do. I'm just rather paranodi.
22:54:30Josh04I use it constantly and I'm really pissed with myself
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23:25:15Josh04I'm wondering whether I can simply remove the hard disk and plug it into a pc.
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23:29:02Josh04Does anyone know whether that'd work? It's an ATA-100 hard disk, with what looks like a standard IDE interface, though if not I could probably wangle an adapter. I don't want to go taking it apart without reason though. I may be able to get somewhere through the USB2 - IDE bridge. *Sighs*Its all so complex.
23:29:53Bagder1.8" adapters are rare
23:30:25Josh04Do they use a different connecter?
23:32:11Josh04Hmmm. Thats another idea out the window.
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23:35:52mirakJosh04: I have seen on a news there is a pci card to put a laptop drive into a pc
23:36:37HCli had no trouble buying an 1.8" adapter..
23:36:46HClcost me like 7 euro or so
23:36:53mirakwhy did you do that ?
23:37:03HCli had a broken laptop with a broken cdrom
23:37:07HClhad to get its harddisk out
23:37:09Bagdermirak: laptop drives are generally 2.5"
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23:37:13HClto be able to install an os onto it.
23:37:27HClwait, maybe i'm mixing it up with 2.5 o.o
23:37:37Bagder2.5" adapters are everywhere
23:37:43*HCl nods
23:37:52*HCl goes back to being idle
23:37:54mirakwhy does he want to do that ?
23:38:01Josh04I'm looking at it on the net, why do they make it so hard to see the connecter?
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23:39:37Josh04$9 on ebay
23:39:47Josh04for what looks to be the right thing
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23:56:30preglowgot dAMN
23:56:33preglowpraised be ubuntu
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